Danny Jones Podcast - #249 - CIA Spy Breaks Down Trump Assassination Attempt | Matt Cox & John Kiriakou

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

John Kiriakou is a former CIA analyst, case officer & chief of counterterrorism. Matt Cox is a true crime writer & podcaster who was sentenced to 26 years in Federal prison for identity theft and mortgage fraud. SPONSORS https://shopify.com/dannyjones - Sign up for a $1 per month trial period https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS Matt's YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/@InsideTrueCrime John's Twitter: https://twitter.com/JohnKiriakou John's Substack: https://johnkiriakou.substack.com FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Thomas Matthew Crooks 04:24 - Conspiracy theories 23:07 - Failed planning 32:11 - Foreign intelligence? 40:14 - Next Civil war 59:49 - Regan's assassination attempt 01:05:58 - Nixon, JFK & the CIA 01:15:14 - Trump's demeanor 01:22:41 - CIA spy John Kiriakou on Trump assassination attempt 01:50:42 - FBI agents reaction to Trump 01:56:47 - Demolition ranch t-shirt 02:00:38 - Propoganda 02:08:18 - Will Trump survive the election? 02:14:49 - Matt is a workhorse 02:26:08 - Draft returning? 02:30:20 - Hiring an editor! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I'm watching the video of Trump grabbing his ear. I'm thinking that's when I slip my hand into his pocket and take his wallet. That's my qualification. We are going to have... If he were to go down, we run up his credit cards immediately. And by the way, yeah, we're going to have a former legendary CIA agent John Kariaku, who was also in prison like you, but he was only in there for two years, put in there by the CIA.

Oh, he was... Oh, okay. Yeah. Not like in another country in the United States. Oh, that's nice. Yes, exactly. What do you do for that?

What did he do for that? Well, he was, he was one of the guys responsible for taking down one of the top guys in Al-Qaeda named Abu Zabeda. And he was a part of a raid that captured this guy and eventually killed, uh, no, he's in Guantanamo. They never killed him. But the story about how he captured the guy is crazy in. I think it was Pakistan.

And John's been through a lot of shit. And eventually, that's when the enhanced interrogation shit happened, started happening with the CIA where they set up these black sites around the world to basically torture people and get information from terrorists. And John was blamed for it because he was the guy inside the CIA complaining about it. Like, why are we doing this? This is against the law. This violates the Geneva Convention.

Right. And they're like, stop bitching, John. stop bitching. And then somehow it came out and a reporter contacted him from, I think it was ABC and said John, Bush is on TV saying, yeah, look, there's the photo of the Superstock Bullet. Bush was on TV basically saying that talking about the enhanced interrogation stuff and saying that there was a CIA operative who leaked it. And then John thought he was talking about him. So John's like, fuck it. I'm going to go on live TV and talk about it.

So John went on TV and blew up the whole enhanced interrogation shit the CIA was doing. And then they got him for espionage or something like that. Some bullshit crime put him in prison. But John knows a lot about this stuff. And essentially, so like, Julian's been talking to his paramilitary folks. And I've talked to a couple guys. And, you know, the one thing that seems to be insane about this whole thing is that they fucking didn't put anybody on. those roofs that were 300 feet 150 yards away and um as we sit here in our air conditioned

room with our microphones we can you know yeah we can tell everything we could exactly we do know everything exactly we can critique what they did wrong and uh let them know that they need to be better yeah this is the this is the video it didn't have all that shit around it though like it was a very much clearer video i think but yeah watch this head tilt yeah that would have been boom Right there. How crazy is that, dude? I'd tell you what that would have done. If it hadn't killed him, it had taken him out of the race.

I'll tell you that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, that would have took out his whole visual cortex of his brain. Yeah, I think he would have been a vegetable. That's not good. If it didn't kill him, it definitely would have fucked him up permanently. Yeah.

Yeah, to be honest with it, let's face it, the bullet. That probably would have killed him. It probably would have gone through the initial. It would have gone right through his temple. Well, no, no, because that was that side here. That's the side. I'm saying it would have gone, into his skull and probably

you know jumped around inside his skull like it may not have exited his skull it bounced off in the Torb's brain up it'd be it'd be scrambled eggs yep it is so crazy how that had turned to so last minute

it was the hand of God listen Jess says that I know he does so we we watched this and at first I was like I went I think that clipped his ear and Jess was like no maybe

Maybe it's, does he have a hair, an earpiece? Like, you know, because we didn't know right away. We're still watching it as it's happening. And then when he stands up and he's got the blood on his face and starts pumping his fist, it was like, oh, wow, he was hit. Right. He was definitely hit? Because he everybody, even the commentators were like, was he hit? Like, I don't, is this.

But when he stood up with the blood, it was like, holy shit. So what are the convention? So what are the, all the theories on what happened? Well, the news. You've been paying more attention to this than I have. What's your buddy's name? Forest, yeah, forest. There's a whole group of people on the internet that are insisting that the Trump campaign itself hired some sniper to take a shot at him and just to clip his ear.

Yeah, like for the theatrics, like this will push him over the edge. Like, he's already over the edge. Like this isn't, not just that, any sniper will tell you, listen, the wind blows wrong. It can always be off half an inch to an inch or whatever. And the fact that you're going to get him to turn his head at exactly the same. Trust me, as he was turning his head, then that dude pulled the trigger. When that guy pulled the trigger, he did probably still hit him. He's turning his head.

I mean, that's what, that bullet's traveling. You know what I'm saying? I mean, there's just nobody in their right mind that would hire a sniper to fire, you know, at their head. It's just insanity. It's amazing how there's so many people that believe that is true. That's Trump derangement syndrome at its finest. Then there's the other. ones that know that there was a real sniper that tried to take him out and the kids a patsy that's my

favorite because that's very much the um the oswald you know he's a patsy you know um lee harvey oswald who was you know people say like he didn't shoot kennedy at all right so yeah he was the fall guy right he's just a fall guy and honestly what a great fall guy like he is perfect like if you really look at it like is there a chance like yeah it seems like this possible there is definitely a chance. Like, nobody's ever going to know for sure. Why was he perfect? Because he'd been to, he'd been to the Soviet Union. Then they let him back in. Right. Then they, you know, it's almost like he's being moved around. And then the fact that when he tried to read effect through Mexico City, right before, like a week before. Right. But then the last minute, so he gets a job at the Texas

book depository. And at the last minute, they changed the route of the car to go buy the Texas book depository to be on the route. It wasn't originally on the route. Like that to me, that's to me the most compelling part. We're like, so we've got a guy that is the, looks like a perfect assassin. You know, he's got the, he's, you know, we can, we can blame it on his views of communism, everything. Let's just have the cargo right by it. We'll have another sniper shoot him. We'll blame it on him. Right. Well, and hopefully he'll just be killed. Hopefully the local cops were probably kill him. Yeah. But they don't. He gets found, he gets grabbed. Okay, well, now he's got to die some other way. The Ruby things were

kind of breaks down. Ruby is probably, maybe that was just an accident. Like they were hoping he would never, he would be killed by the local cops. Ruby was definitely not an accident. Ruby was a part of M.K. Ultra. So when Ruby was in prison, he was getting visited by you think prior to this, he was set up to kill him?

So, so Ruby was in prison before, was Ruby in prison before or after he killed? Harvey-Wall. He'd definitely been in prison prior. I mean, he'd been in and out of prison. He was kind of like a, like a mob guy. He was like a hanger on. So in, in, uh, the book Chaos, the Charles Manson book with the CIA by Tom O'Neill, he talks about a guy named Jolly West, who was a CIA sort of like psychologist and chemist, I believe he was a chemist,

but he was doing tests on people with LSD, um, on criminals specifically. And there's, documented reports that Tom found that Jolly West visited Jack Ruby in prison multiple times and spent hours with him. And Jolly West was very much a part of MK. Ultra, the mind control experiments they were trying to do in the 60s. And you don't know whether that was prior to. That's what I'm trying to find out. So yeah, I'd have to read. We'd have to find the book again or maybe you could Google it, Steve. But I think it was prior to him killing Lee Harvey Oswald. I think it was very much set up for him to I don't think they wanted him alive

and I think Jack Ruby was probably a part of that plan Well I don't know So We're never gonna know Right We're never gonna know right That's true So again

Okay so there's the group of people Who think the fucking This is I think the least plausible explanation for it That Trump somehow hired The campaign set up a guy Right they orchestrated it To orchestrate a bullet to fly an insharm

past his fucking skull. Right. There's no way. Yeah. Okay. There's no way. First of all, he didn't need that to win. He had already won the election after that debate with Biden.

There was no shot. Right. So the second one is the kids of Patsy. They're kind of maybe watching him. They know he's got anti-conservative or whatever you want on. Liberal leanings. He's made a few. They haven't opened his phone yet.

So you don't know what. That phone, but let's say that NSA has been tracking his phone. And they pick somebody. They say this kid's 20 years old. He's a shooter. Like we know all this by watching his phone. He's a shooter. He's extremely radicalized.

He's donated to the, whatever, to the Democratic, that Democratic pact. I mean, what, 15 bucks? Not like he's a huge supporter, but he's also 20. So, you know, he's made, you know, all of these posts or who knows what he's made. We don't really know yet because they haven't gotten the phone. But let's say the NSA gets. They haven't gotten the phone still? No.

Well, last I heard that. the FBI is trying to crack it, trying to get into it. It's not that easy if it's got a passcode. It seems weird that they wouldn't be. I'm sure they'll get into it, especially since they had that Apple thing where they cracked Apple. Yeah. But anyway, they said they hadn't. Maybe they have and they're still reading it.

Who knows? Anyway, so let's say the NSA already knew they've got 50 different people that could be homegrown kind of assassins. And this kid is one of them and he's a shooter. And he's kind of a loner. And they say, hey, you know what? if we could get this kid to the rally and maybe somebody stops by and says, hey, let's let's radicalize, help radicalize him, get him to the rally, put some, plant some bomb material into his car, which they found. And, you know, we'll get him on the roof, but we'll have another

sniper shoot at Trump. And Trump just happens to turn his head and it misses. Who knows? So, you know, that's the second one is he's a patsy. And they, and this is the maybe some, who knows, whether it's the Biden administration or what these people. Well, I mean, he's not just the Patsy. He's also clearly the shooter, right? No, he's clearly going to shoot, right? But Oswald will probably go and shoot, but can we rely on him to kill him?

Let's get another person we know can kill him. So let's say that happened. So that's, I'm sorry, that's another kind of a scenario where there's another sniper, but the kid's really the fall guy. Okay, that's another one. So those are two oddball scenarios. The true scenario is the kids,

probably radicalized. His father saying he knows nothing about it, right? Kid kind of radicalizes himself, figures out how to get to the, you know, get to the rally, figures a way out on the rally. He obviously had lots of different plans because he did. Yeah, because he also had bomb material in his car. So it's like maybe he thought, hey, can I get on the roof? I probably can't even get on the roof. And he actually, you know, but if I don't get on the roof, then here's what I'm going to do. I have this bomb material in my car. I'm going to throw it in the crowd or I'm going to throw it under Trump's, you know, SUV or I'm going to, who knows what he's thinking. But he obviously had alternate plans.

But what happened is he got out there. He said, I can get on the roof. He gets on the roof. He does the army crawl, you know, up the back of the roof. The Secret Service agents see him. They call it in. Other people, spectators call it in. There's a guy up there with a rifle.

There's a guy crawling on the roof. The Secret Service agent is told not to take the shot to allow them to check it out first. They send in the police. Police officer climbs up the ladder, approaches him, says, hey, what's going on? The kid turns around. So Crooks turns around with his rifle, points it at him. The guy gets freaked out, jumps backwards, and actually falls off the roof. The cop.

The cop does. So he falls off the roof. Crooks immediately turns around. round gets into position and starts firing at Trump very quickly. And so the secret service agent that had been told not to fire starts to take them out. You know, he'd been told wait, we're checking it out. So, and so he goes ahead and takes them out. And he heard the bullets flying. He heard the bullets flying. So he says, fuck that. This kid's, you know, it's over. He shoots him. From what I understand is the sniper that we all see in that image on the route or the video on the roof where there's two

of them that are basically like kind of parallel to Trump but facing the kid. Right. Is that they had scoped in on that guy five minutes prior. Yeah, yeah. I heard three minutes, but yeah. I heard it. So I heard it was five minutes from a guy that I heard that actually talked to him. Okay.

I can't. I don't think I can say who it was yet. A significant amount of time is what it was. Five minutes. And then he radioed his superiors telling them about that. And they said stand down. Do not take the shot or whatever. But that's because, most likely, because they had said, hey, let's get somebody up on that roof to see what's going on.

And that's why they send the police up there. So the local cops, the sheriffs, right, they go and they find the ladder and they climb up there. Okay. But the scope on that sniper can see the fucking boogers in that guy's nose. I agree. You are telling me that those snipers can't tell that he's got a rifle in his hands. I agree, but they called it in. Like, you know, keep in mind, too, you don't.

know that he actually had his the sniper rifle on trump at that time at that time he may have just been army man crawling slowly up the roof and they see a guy crawling maybe he's sliding the gun they don't know if he's got a gun like you don't really know what he called in and then he calls it in they say okay wait a minute we're sending somebody over there like you know is he you don't know whether he said well i don't know that it's immediate he's an immediate threat at that moment he may not have known that now once the officer falls and the kid turns around and immediately takes aim as soon as he sees that, it's like, holy shit, the kid starts firing, which luckily he was, he was obviously anxiety, he's panicked, he just starts firing.

Yeah. And luckily he doesn't get a good shot. Right. I mean, with the scope and that, and only, you're only 100, you're 130 yards away. Steve, you're kind of hit him. Steve, can you play the video that basically does the countdown of the people screaming at the guy that's climbing up? Look, they're all pointing.

Yeah, someone's on top of the roof. Look, there he is right there. Right there, see him? He's laying down. Yeah, he's flying down. See, like, they don't really know. Watch, watch, watch. What's happening?

See, there's a cop down there? Watch. Because if we do, we're going to make the America better than other people. We're going to make it. Yeah, look. There is. Because we have millions and millions of people in our country. They're talking to the officer.

That is insane. Criminal. Corp. We have recorded in the In recorded history, in fact, it showed the cop walking along the side of that building, looking up at the guy. You don't mind if I go off telepropter, do you? This is the word. This is the wrong.

I'm trying to explain that. Oh, is it? Wow. You guys are doing it. They're getting better with time. My guys, take a look at that chart. Take a look at the arrow on the bottom. See the big red arrow, right?

Minute 20. So it's been a minute 20 since the guy was spotted. Right. So they've sent the cop has probably climbed up. He's climbing up right now. Take a look at that. So that arrow is the lowest amount of the legal immigration ever. It puts the ladder against the, you know, the roof.

Starts climbing up the ladder. Yeah. And then the worst president of the history of our country took over. And look what happened to our country. Now, what's this? What's going on here? I think they're walking just to those. Now look right here.

Why are these guys shooting these people off from behind Trump? Now they have radio. Look at the snipers. Can you pause it? Okay. Now he's... Yeah, he just shot. So right before the bullets came,

the Secret Service were basically like shooting. people out from behind Trump. You see them like rushing people out, photographers. There's a guy sprinting. So it was two minutes, right? So it was two minutes, right? Since they, since they, since. Yeah.

Well. that's good. They said the sniper had him in his sights for three minutes. So whatever, two to three minutes. But keep mind that time period there at some point, supposedly somebody went up on the roof. A police officer or a sheriff's deputy, whatever, actually went up on the roof and the kid turned around and frightened him and he fell. I heard that from, I'm only saying that because I heard that from two different news organizations. Both of them said the same thing.

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fire. Right. And so he just... So, my question is, if the snipers knew that the kid was up there five minutes, five minutes prior to the shooting, and they're radioing into their superior telling him about it, and they're saying, don't fire on him. Right. Why not fire on him? For five minutes,

Are they not focusing on him for that entire five minutes? Are they just like chilling? I think they are. Oh, no, I'm sure. Are they just like, they've got him in his sights, right? Right. Okay. So, I wouldn't take him out of my sight.

So the second he pulls the barrel of his gun up, they're seeing that, right? Right. So there was obviously quite a bit of delay to when he pulls his barrel up, looks through the scope, finds Trump, and starts popping off. There was probably what? How long do you think that would take? Ten seconds. Yeah, I was going to say five, ten seconds. It seems like a long.

time. Seems like a long time. And then if you, and then go down to where Trump was, the Secret Service dog piled him pretty much immediately. It's pretty quick, like two or three seconds to take them the dog pile him. Then they, then he stood up after, I don't know how long that was, but he stood up and then the guy's like six three. He stood up and he's tower overing these guys, towering over these guys. And they're like a couple of them, one guy, the guy who looks like Andrew Schultz, he's like holding his hand above his head. Another guy's like holding his hand over here. Right. Like, and Trump, like, he barges through six of them to do his like fight, fight, fight thing. And if there are, if this is like a JFK scenario where there's multiple shooters, like a triangular hit team.

Right. Trump's fucking done. Wide open. His head was wide open. They let him stand up and like, because he said, hold on, hold on, hold on. And he got out. And they didn't know if there was another shooter. Right.

Maybe they got it in something in their ear. You could hear like the radio chatter. They're saying like, what do we do now? They're probably saying, shoot her down. Shoot her down. That's probably why they stood him up and said, let's go. They don't know. They didn't know if there was another shooter or not.

So if there was another shooter, he'd be gone. Gone. But then again, Trump's, he's too big to carry. It's like they need his help to get off the stage. It's not like they're going to pick him up and start. Still, they're the fucking secret service and there's like seven, six or seven of them. Right. And then there was the one secret service lady.

Do you see her hiding behind everybody? The little tiny one? She was like cowering down behind everybody, like hiding. Yeah. well, you know, diversity higher. Yeah. I mean, first of all, if I'm six foot three, I do. You're Stephen.

If I'm six foot three, you don't get to be five foot two and protect me. Like, I feel like that's a lot of me that's still available. And these are the main parts that people shoot at. Like, I'm going to need a taller bra. Right. He's going to have to be at least six foot with heels. I'll take her with heels, you know, platform shoes something. Can't get a five foot one.

five foot two chick. No. For me, yeah, that'd be fine, but no. Yeah. And it's easy, you know, like I said, you know, we're sitting here in air conditioning with our microphones talking about what they did wrong. Yeah, of course. I was talking to this guy. I'm not saying I know anything. I was talking to Rick Prada, who's a legendary CIA paramilitary guy who, um, he was a counterterrorism special forces, clandestine, operation specials for the CIA who was in Nicaragua and Costa Rica, like in the 80s during Iran-Contra. He's been in a lot of these situations. Not like a, but he, He wasn't a part of Secret Service, but he actually trained with Secret Service in like the 80s and the 90s. Trained with those guys.

And he knows a lot of them. And he was like, his point was that like, yeah, you plan for this stuff a lot. But he goes in every single situation like this, whether it be in combat, in war, in black ops or in a Trump rally. He goes, after the first bullet flies, after the first bullet flies. you can be as prepared as humanly possible. But after that first bullet flies, your plan goes out the window. Right.

It's the Mike Tyson, everybody's got a plan until they get punched. Exactly. Everybody's out of, yes, exactly, man. He said everything goes out the window once the first bullet flies. I think everybody's screaming

about the Secret Service agent too. I think that also look, you know, they have like an action plan, right? Like they got it all laid out. They know where everybody is. They know everything. But if you've been with the Secret Service and you're dealing with the local sheriffs, deputies and, you know, cops or police stations and everything, like these people don't work well together, you know. Local sheriffs and police don't like the Secret Service.

The Secret Service think that they're, you know, morons. And the truth is is that when you lay it all out and you look at all, and the, first of all, and the rallies are happening one after another, after another. Can imagine how quickly they have to, and they're constantly seeing different plans. And so that sniper on the roof looking at this guy, you and I can say, you saw him, you saw he had a rifle, you should have shot him. Well, one, you don't know how long he knew he had a rifle. It may have only been for a few seconds. He's being told, stand down, we got somebody up there. We got somebody going up there.

Oh, okay. So in your mind, you're kind of thinking they've got it handled. And the other problem is that during this period of time, what if he sees him and shoots him and finds out, oh, my gosh, we didn't have those buildings. We didn't have enough secret service snipers to have those buildings covered. And we agreed to let the local SWAT team station a guy on the roof and that was the local SWAT team guy.

He wasn't a part of our action plan. Oh my God, you just killed, you just killed a SWAT team member. He's been a police officer of 25 years. Right. And then you're like, and then they're saying, we told you to stand down. Do you see what I'm saying?

Like, I get it. I mean, everybody's screaming, you should have known you should I get it but you don't know everything that's happening in this guy's head he's being told no no no no and he may be thinking yeah I think I know where everybody is but what if I don't and I'm being told to stand down now look let's face it once a kid got up and started firing he shot him done does it take him three seconds to make sure he's going to shoot the right hit the kid maybe that's what took four to five or six seconds maybe it took him three seconds to realize oh my god you got a perfect shot active fire and another three or four or

four seconds to get a perfect shot and boom takes them out. Yeah. A lot faster than I'm gonna take. Yeah, if you think about it, I mean, I've never shot a sniper rifle but I imagine like, look, if you you would want him to take the shot quicker, but if he took the shot quick and missed, imagine the time it would take to reload it. Yeah. Then it would be way, you know,

that would be way worse for sure. Listen, look, you know, it's obviously that. But there was two snipers. Yeah. Possibly four. Did you see how they were also kind of like looking at the scope, kind of checking, like what, like, He, like, jumped back and, like, grabbed it. The tripod kind of fell back. Yeah, he, they're both like, obviously there was action happening.

It's like being a car. Any, any law enforcement. Sitting on a roof for four hours. It's tons of boredom with two minutes of complete fucking adrenaline. I mean, how many hours has this fucking guy spent on roofs looking through a scope and nothing has happened? Yeah. Right? Imagine how many snipers spend their whole lives and never fire at a real person, you know?

But, I mean, I, I, you know, it's, it's so easy to double to, you know, what do you call it? Monday morning quarterback him. Yeah. Yeah. Here's what the real problem is. Why was no one on the roof to begin with? And it was so close. Like, like, you couldn't put a sheriff's deputy sitting up there on a, you couldn't

give him a fold up chair? Right. Some fat sheriff deputy couldn't have sat up there? Well, they didn't, I mean, they should have, but they had a guy. They had a sheriff deputy walking around, climbing up the ladder. Yeah, but they don't have a radio. They don't have a radio. They're not on the same channel as these guys.

Like they can't go squawk, squawk, what's your 20? We got a fucking kid with an AR 15 on the roof. What about the 30 clicks to the right? What about the guy that's a part of that committee that was in Congress that was trying to pull his dude. Yeah, they were trying to pull his secret service detail. Like what are you doing, bro? Like, you know, like whether you like Biden, or Trump, it's like the people that, and this is tons of people on TikTok.

Like, I'm amazed. My videos will get taken down on TikTok. If I say the word gun or if somebody says, if somebody says something even slightly, we're telling a story about a guy who pulled a gun or telling a story about a guy who's selling drugs. They get, you know, community violation, this and that. But you got people on there right now saying that too bad the guy missed. He should have been a better shot.

It's too bad. Oh, my God. He almost got rid of this guy, Trump. And it's like, the thing is when people say that, at least they're consistent, right? They're calling him Hitler and they hope he's, at least they're being honest. They've been calling him Hitler this whole time. And now they're basically saying that they're pissed off. He didn't die.

At least they're consistent. There's also a group that's saying, he's Hitler, he's Hitler, he's Hitler. Oh, our thoughts and prayers are with Trump. The same, but here's the thing, the same people that are saying that he's a threat to democracy, want to take out democracy. Like this is how we're voting.

This is one party. This is the other. That's democracy. You're, your want, you want them to take out one of the two parties. Yes.

If I say, he's a threat to democracy. Let's take him out. Like, are you fucking insane? Do you know how insane that sounds? Like the practice, you know,

our, our countries built on, on voting. Like, just vote. Like, figure it out. out. I get it. Do I think Trump should have, you know, like, you know what the, um, what do I think? Oh, him denying that he lost the election. Bro, you lost the election. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you lost. I get it. There's, there's this. There's that. There's all kinds of issues. There's some extra ballot here. These weren't counted. I understand. But in the end, it's over. Like, quit denying, quit that. Just say, look, I lost and, and we're, but I'm going to get it next time. That's fine. You know, I don't think it was fair, whatever. I lost. You got that. But to sit here and say that I'm going to take out the other party, like, that's just insanity. Like, what kind of a person are you that I, I mean, might not like Biden, but I don't want the guy to die.

Yeah. I don't want to take him out. The kid was a fucking 20-year-old whose brain was not fully developed yet and is probably on a junkload of SRIs. Riddling. riddlin, yeah, maybe riddlin, antidepressants. Every school shooter in history had a laundry list of prescription, pharmaceutical prescriptions. What about his dad?

Like his dad hasn't, I don't know anything about his dad. Oh, his dad's just saying, like, he's not, he's like, I have no idea why he would have done this. Like, I don't, I didn't see any signs that this was an issue. None. That's what his father's saying. The other thing is, then there were people in the, there were people in the, there were people in the comments who are saying, because he is a registered Republican, the kid is.

Yeah, apparently that's what a lot of Antifa people did. And then they're saying he, but there's also people saying, yeah, he voted and he voted for Trump last time. Well, he couldn't have voted for Trump last. He would have been 17 years old. Yeah, he would have been 16 years old. But do you see what I'm saying? Like, it makes no sense.

People make these rash. They say these things immediately. And then I had another guy. I watched another couple of, there's a couple of these where they're like, he's He's a registered Republican. He voted for Trump the first time, but he's so, he's been, he's now been so disenfranchised with all of Trump's lies. He decided to do the right thing and get rid of Trump. It's like, he didn't vote for Trump.

Right. You know, like, everything you're saying is ridiculous. Like, you're just making up stuff. Mm-hmm. So, anyway, well, what are, what are, those are the conspiracies that I've heard. What is your, what are your, have you heard anything? The one that I heard today from a friend of mine who is, I won't say his name, but he was in the CIA and he's not, I don't think he wanted this to be public, but this was just what he told me in

privacy, in confidence over the phone. And I haven't heard this anywhere else is he believes that this guy was not acting alone. He believes that he was coerced into doing this and subverted into doing this by an intelligence agency who is not the CIA. Right. Well, that'd be the Patsy thing, right? He thinks that this guy was coerced by a foreign intelligence agency of another country.

Sorry. Yeah. I had not heard that. Okay. Neither had I until this morning when I talked to my buddy. No. And he said that the one intelligence agency who is the best at doing this kind of shit

taking mentally unstable people like this and getting them to commit terrorist crimes. Masad? Iran. No, not Mossad. Massad just gave Trump like $200 million. I don't know. I threw one out there. It was a Hail Mary.

Massad is the one that's protecting this guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, they love Trump. Oh, yeah. What did he do? He moved the, what do he do? I'm not saying they did it. He just moved the embassy.

The embassy where? to Jerusalem. Yeah, he's acknowledged the capital or whatever the state. But this guy said the IRGC is the best

at pulling off operations like this. Well, I mean, he failed. He wasn't a great shooter. But this is very... You can't account for the flying typical of what they would do. You can't account for the guy climbing up on the ladder

and saying, excuse me, what are you doing? The cop? Yeah, you couldn't account for that. Yeah. So if it was a foreign intelligence agency, how did they just get lucky that the fucking secret service was so incompetent? I wonder what what how much bomb material he had. Like that, that I wonder because like, okay, let's say he he he he got out there and he said, okay, I can't get on the roof. Like there's no way. There's too many cops. I'm never going to be able to do it. Fuck it. Oh, that was his backup plan. Right. Then he then he, what was his was his backup plan? I'm going to go get my car. When Trump leaves, I'm going to, I'm going to shoot right up next to him. him and I'm going to pull this lever and boom my car will blow up and I'll take him out to like it was

or I don't I just don't understand how much material he had in the car like they haven't said that they just said it was bomb making material they had to get the bomb squad it was while making material whatever I just don't know how much was his car nearby I don't know there was another thing where they were saying about the Secret Service like how did he get his vehicle parked this close to to the rally. So in my opinion, they're alluding to the fact that it had gotten through security,

that it must have been close for them to be blaming the Secret Service. Like, how did they not catch this? Well, they didn't catch it because it was a mile and a half away. Like, they never saw the car. That's one thing. But the stuff that I'm reading

makes it sound like it went through security somehow. Well, I mean, you know, maybe had in the trunk, the guard sniffing dogs didn't get it. Who knows? So I don't really know where it was. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, if you look at who has motive to want Trump gone, I mean, just look at the last couple years. I mean, why would Iran want him gone? Like, Biden's the one who's bombing Iran. Like, yeah, well, Iran, obviously, they don't have a good relationship with Israel. Saudi Arabia and Israel are kind of aligned against Iran. Iran doesn't like the three, the three-headed dragon. that fuck is our and the three countries that are our biggest enemies are China, Russia, and Iran. Okay.

So it would probably be one of the one of those three, right, if it was. Those are our biggest enemies in the world. North Korea is, to an extent, but North Korea is more like a fucking, just like a nuisance to us. How do you get to a, how do you get to a 20 year old? How do you turn a 20 year old? I don't know. You see what I'm saying? Like, I'm assuming that's going to take some time.

His father's going to miss him for the 30 days it's going to take to brain, to break this kid down, brainwash him. and reprogram him stick them back. That's what Alex Jones is saying. This has got MK Ultra written all over it. Like he was fucking brainwashed. I mean, his dad, it's not like, you would think when the, when the authority showed up, he would say like, he was gone for 90 days. Just got back a week ago and said, hey, dad, I'm going to a rally.

Yeah. Yeah. Or he got back. He was gone for 90 days. Showed up and said, Dad, can you order this rifle for me? Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Like who has, who has motive, right, to take out Trump?

Well, I mean, look at the fucking United States. They went after Trump. He beat the impeachments. He beat Russiagate. He beat the civil cases. He beat the 34 bogus felonies. He did. No, he didn't beat that.

He got, he has been found guilty. He was found guilty of the felonies, but it put him in a higher regard to the American public because we everyone saw through the bullshit. So what it did do is, you're right. What it did do is it didn't destroy his credibility, which is what they were hoping for. Right. Like if we indict him and we try him and we convict him, it will destroy his credibility, not realizing that absolutely didn't harm him at all. It actually made him more popular.

Yes, exactly. The whole show trial, the whole show trial basically showed. It was like the Streisand effect. What's going to be more interesting is that when the state of New York appellate court overturns, like if it actually gets overturned by the appellate court, then it's just one more slap in the face. Like, hey, you tried me. You had a little banana, was it a banana republic kangaroo court put together. Yeah.

And you guys found me guilty. But then when it got to the appellate court, they overturned it. And guess what? I'm not a felon now. So you guys had a good time calling me a felon. And now I'm not a felon. And then the document case was just thrown out. They just threw out the classified document case today.

Yeah. So that was thrown out. Why did they do that? Well, you know, I... How crazy is that? I think it was suspended for a while because there were so many things that. the can you find an article on that steve the classified document case being dropped there were all of these kind of things that the FBI that had done they had withheld evidence they had staged

photographs like there was all these things that made it look very staged and as a result they the the judge had kind of like put it suspended it for a while like we're going to suspend it for a while and then he finally just said you know what i'm throwing it all out trump's classified document case dismissal by Judge Eileen Cannon. So can you find out why they did it? Or if you can like find like skim through it or find an article that explains why they did it. It said ruling on that one, Stephen.

So I think, oh, I think I read it earlier. But I believe it was because something about the prosecutor. By the way, you see the Alex Baldwin thing? About his case? Oh, they dropped the charges, right? They dropped the charges, yeah, because they withheld the evidence about the bullets.

no what fucking insane judge dismissed his classified document case against trump uh blah blah ruled that the entire case should be thrown out because of the appointment of the special counsel who brought the case jack smith had violated the constitution he indicated the plan he indicated indicated he planned to appeal so he's going to appeal okay well that's not going to do anything right so yeah it's just crazy that this happens two days after they fucking try to kill him like they're giving him a straight shot he i mean he has a straight shot he is the he's essentially the president-elect right now it's just can one can he survive to january 20th that's the thing right like i talked to this guy um and a guy i interviewed actually for something else but he um we were

texting back and forth and he was like you know everybody thinks like because i was like oh he's walking straight in office now and he's like yeah but you have to understand he's like that's you're assuming he survives. Right. He is this still, this guy's got a lot of, of highly publicized events between now and then where he could be taken out.

Yes. Like if it was, if they were smart, they'd retreat and say, okay, we fucked up. We'll try again. You know,

in four years, we'll get another guy in. We'll get somebody in. Yeah. But, or they say, hey, let's double down.

We'll just take them out at all means possible and try and bury the evidence and get away with it. So I was watching Alex Jones videos all day. Oh my God. And, he's saying that they're going to go for broke now. That's what I'm saying. He's saying they lean all in?

They are going to go all in, balls to the wall. They're going to kill this motherfucker. And he also said that after the, after he wins the election, he said, don't be surprised if you're going to see a lot of false flag events happening. Like he claims they're going to fucking run truck bombs into like black churches and stuff and try to incite some sort of a race war and blame it on Trump supporters. Like trying to target. minority communities and use those as false flags to incite some sort of a crazy civil race war. And then Julian fucking said it best on his little live stream he did yesterday. He said that if that bullet would have hit Trump, he said it wouldn't be a civil war.

He's like civil wars, that's cute. You think it's going to be a civil war. He goes, that's going to be like the bullet that took out France Ferdinand that started World War I. He goes, it's going to be World War fucking three if that would have killed Trump. You wouldn't be able to go outside, dude. You still haven't seen Civil War. I haven't watched Civil War yet. No.

I got to watch it. Did you ever watch the video where the kid goes over how a Civil War would play out today? Yes. I haven't watched the whole thing. Wasn't it? Oh, okay. I haven't watched it. I need to watch that. But you told me about this, though. Yeah, he breaks it down so good. He's so, like, he could care less. Like, he's like, he's just matter-of-factly, like, here's this, here's this, here's how many national guard troops are in this state. here's how many, you know, here's how many, you know, he just breaks it all down very clearly, like, this is why they end up winning.

Here's why. Who wins? Who wins? Who wins? He ends up saying that the South wins because basically what he does is he, it's not even against necessarily, he assumes if you were to break up the states exactly the way it was split during the Civil War, right, the Confederacy and the Union. And he took the same states.

He said, well, the states are much different now. There was a massive different now because now, there's infrastructure, there's all kinds of things. And you have all these state, these National Guards units, right? So you assume that the National Guard units go with the states. So now Florida has how many different, you know what I'm saying? So basically if you break the military apart that way, you're on pretty equal footing. The real problem is that he's like, look, you don't have to invade California.

You know, what you do is you just cut them off from their water source, which is coming from out of state, and electrical, which is coming from out of state. Like he just, also food. They don't make enough food to feed themselves. I mean, yeah, they have, you know, they have yam yams and fucking, you know, almonds and stuff like that. But that's not enough to feed you. Like, they've got a bunch of foods that they do produce, but not enough to feed their entire population. So he's like, and the interstates, there's only like three interstates that basically go that way. He's like, you just cut those off.

Right. It's not hard to stop them from feeding themselves. Right. The Confederate states can feed themselves. So he breaks all. Same thing with power lines. He basically is like, you just, you don't even have to attack. You just starve them out.

And he was like, so if you take that plus battles, if the battles are fought and you base it on the numbers, he starts doing the numbers too. Listen, he lays it all out and in the end, the North can't, doesn't win. In a protracted battle, they just don't win. Yeah. If there was a civil war, I don't think it would be like a Democrat versus Republican type thing. Right. Well, I mean, he's basing it off of. What if the Civil Wars fought today?

That's what it is video. If there was a Civil War fought today, who would be the two fighting parties? It would be, it would be obviously like Republican right-wing Trump or even libertarians, Trump types. Which is comical, by the way. One other thing that was comical because during the Civil War, the South was the Democrats. The North were the Republicans. So that's comical because it's actually swapped. Lincoln was a Republican.

Right. So now it's like Florida is Republican. Texas is Republican. Like you start adding them up. It swapped during Kennedy. Yeah. Kennedy was the one who changed that. So what it was.

So yeah. So Kennedy, when he was running, he, John, John Newman, John Newman explained this beautifully to us. What happened during the Kennedy election was his campaign ran an operation to basically market themselves in black churches all around the country. And they got, they, they, they recruited like a preacher

to go around and basically give these pamphlets and these flyers out to all the people in the black churches to try to win over the black vote. He was also, I think he, I think he was talking. I don't know if Kennedy actually met with MLK, but his brother did.

Right. And, um, and this was like last minute thing. And it swung, the black vote like crazy. Well, Martin Luther King was a Republican. So they went after the, the, yeah, you can look it up. Um, yeah. Um, it was, there was a word, there was a word for it that he used. I forget what he called. He called it was like, he was like, um, you could probably find it, Steve. I forget. There was a great word for it. Because up until, um, Kennedy, Lyndon me Johnson, right? Up until that error, um, the Republicans were the ones who were pushing through all the

legislation for blacks, right? So up until that point, and they just, they flip-flopped it. Yep. They said, you know what? This is not going well for us. Right. It's obviously, it's going to happen. So we need to take on this agenda. We need to make this agenda take it away from the Republicans and make it a democratic agenda. And they did. They very successfully over the next several presidencies did that, you know, which is super successful. What were talking about before we talked about JFK? Oh, we were talking about if a civil war. were fought today. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But before that, we were talking about, oh, you were talking about, okay, yeah, you were talking about, during the Civil War, you were saying the South were the, were the, were the, were the, were the slaves owners. Yeah, yeah. They were, they were the, the, um, all the, the, uh, cotton, um, farmers. The whole, the whole thing was all Democrats. Listen, Democrats didn't like the emancipation proclamation. Democrats didn't vote for that.

That was all Republican. Like all of these things were Republican. agendas. But then, yeah, you're right. Kennedy, you know, good-looking guy, goes in there. Like you said, black churches, gets a bunch of reverence, starts pitching to them, civil rights, and takes that away from the Republican Party. Like, brilliant, bro. You have to admit, that's brilliant. Like, this is their, this is one of their winning, this is one of their winning campaigns. Let's take that from them. Let's make it ours and make them the bad guys. Yeah. You know, I think.

think it was after the Civil War, there was the Mexican Revolution. I think it was like in 1910, I believe. You know, and Mexico used to basically contain all of Texas and most of all of New Mexico and lots of Southern California. Mexico was massive. It ate up a lot of the United States, like current United States. And then after the Mexican Revolution, they did a deal. When was the Mexican Revolution? Can you find that? When was? I can't believe it. I said 1910. Can you find out when the Mexican Revolution was? And then find out, like, show like the map of Mexico before the Mexican Revolution. And, yeah, 1910, I got it. Wow.

Look at that, bro. Man, had no idea. I wouldn't have even said it was, no, I would have. And then show us a map of Mexico before the Mexican Revolution. And so after we got Texas, right, it was so big. And obviously, Texas, like the whole area of Texas was slave owners, right? And. That doesn't seem that big.

They wanted to divide. Look at that, bro. That's not it. Is that it? I mean, you can't really tell if you can't see like the whole map of the U.S. Anyway, so they wanted to cut Texas up into a bunch of states so they would have more voting power for slavery. And they were like, no, no, no, no, no, fuck that. That's why Texas is so big. They had to make it one big state so they didn't get more voting power, like more states. Right. So, okay, so you only get a few senators. Right, exactly. So yeah, it was all about like control of slavery. Did you ever see in the line, back to the assassinations, did you ever see in the line of fire? No, with Clint Eastwood? No.

So what a great movie. I mean, what a great Clint Eastwood movie too. And he's probably in his 60s when he did this movie. He plays a secret service agent that was a part of JF's. K's detail when he gets shot. And so it's like literally it's like 30, 40 years later. And he's still a secret like longest, he was the youngest secret service agent at the time, longest running secret service agent. And what happens is they end up going into an apartment where the landlady comes into the apartment.

There's something smoking, whatever. She accidentally enters the apartment and finds this wall filled with photographs of the current president and bull's eyes on his head. all these different schematics of different rallies he's been at, shooting points, you know, that sort of thing.

Like, oh my gosh, like this is somebody who's planning on killing the president. He goes there and check it at because she calls the Secret Service. A couple days later,

they come, they check it out. Clint Eastwood's character is the main guy. Well, while he's there, the shooter sees him. So the shooter sees him

and realizes who he is and starts communicating with him. And so they know that they know that this assassin is planning on killing the president. And it shows how he ends up getting himself to a position to kill the president. And you know, John F. Kennedy said, like, anybody can kill the president as long as they're willing to trade places, as long as they're willing to forfeit their life. Right. Right. And this really, if you watch this movie, let me tell you something, bro. The way the guy gets close, like he basically, and granted, there's money involved. So what he does is he, I don't know if it's Republican. The president is Republican or Democrat. Let's say he's a Republican. So what happens is he ends up, oh, it's John Malkovich, right? Like he's the shooter. So he starts donating. So he's got a fake name, fake driver's license, fake everything. his company's fake, it's got a history, everything.

And he's continually donating to the party. And so eventually the Republican Party, you know, whatever the net chairman or whoever is involved with the chapter that he's, you know, friendly with, eventually he says, hey, there's there's a rally coming up or a dinner, you know, a $10,000 plate dinner. You know, they'll pay, you pay $10,000. There's 500 people. They raise $5 million. And you get a picture with the president.

So you're going to be next to the president at some point. So he gets himself invited to this dinner, and he's built himself a composite gun. Just like he makes a Dillinger, a very rudimentary Dillinger, right, with two bullets. And so it's two bullets. He puts it, he has a fake stomach. Now this is obviously before like the really good x-ray machines that swoop it. around you and can really check you out. Right.

Builds this gun right here. Wow. And he puts it in the fake stomach. And the bullets he has in a rabbit's foot. So when he goes through the metal detector, he puts it in the little tray. Ching, you know, his keys, the rabbit's foot with the keys. A plastic gun? No, no, not the plastic gun.

The gun's in his stomach. The plastic guns in his belly, but that can go through the metal detector. Right, because it's composite with no bullets in it. The bullets are in the rabbit's foot, which he throws in the tray. You know how it used to be you would throw all your keys in the tray. Mm-hmm. So the rabbit foot has the bullets in it. Right.

Throws him in the tray, walks through, they pat him down, no problem. He goes to sit next to, you know, close to the president under the table. He puts the bullets in, puts the gun together. And then as the president comes along and shaking people's hands and you get a picture taken with him, he's right next to the fucking guy with a gun that has two bullets in it. Bam! And then he can shoot himself. Wow. I'm not going to ruin the...

I mean, I'll ruin the movie. If it's been 30 years, or 20 years, nobody's going to see it. Go ahead, burn it. Obviously, Clint Eastwood at the last minute runs and jumps in front of the president, takes the fucking bullet, you know.

Yeah. The guy shoots somebody else and gets on the elevator with Clint Eastwood and there's a whole thing. Saves the president. But the point is, if you watch it, you're like, man, that seems like it'd work. Like, how hard is it? Listen, I got a buddy.

Donovan Davis, the guy from the Gap, that store everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Donovan's got pictures with George Bush. I had my old uh Rudy R. Notts which is a guy was one of my business partners. He has photos of him with where he paid $10,000. I think he paid like $5,000 to be to go to a fundraiser for Bush.

He's got photos of him with Bush. Wow. You know? So it's not that difficult. Now granted there's money involved. This guy probably donated $50 to $100,000 to get. And this is 30 years ago. Maybe it's a couple hundred thousand to get yourself in the same room.

But it's not. It's not that. If you're willing to realize. like, hey, once I fire this, like I'm dead. They're either going to kill me or spend the rest of my life in prison. You know, most people are just not willing to do that. They're just not, no matter how politically polarized they are, they're just like, look, I just don't want to die. Right, right?

There's not people crazy enough, right? Like this kid, this kid that just did this the other day, I mean, he was clearly out of his fucking mind. But crazy enough. There's a problem is if you are crazy enough, you're usually not competent enough. That kid just happened to be crazy and competent. Yeah, how competent, though. I mean, he knew how to shoot a gun, but he didn't really know how to shoot a gun. He wasn't a good shooter.

Listen, if that cop hadn't been up there, if that had gone down a little bit different, he may have killed. Actually, I think that sniper probably would have killed him. But that could have gone. He fired eight shots there going right by Trump. Right, right. That one hit him. I'm thinking that's maybe not 100% competent. It's pretty close.

Yeah, it was more competent than I won my assassin to be. It was pretty fucking close. You know, I've been thinking the biggest, the biggest, the biggest. biggest thing that I can't get over here is like everybody I would say what percentage of me I mean there's what percentage of people think that this guy was a lone nut versus this was the CIA I feel like that's the two main camps that that areas of belief here with this whole situation I think a majority of them believe that it was a CIA or the deep state trying to take out Trump because there's so much stuff that's happened in the last few years with the with the with the show trial in New York with 34

more felonies, you know, now this, the Russia gate, all this stuff. Look who has the motive. See, the United States apparatus, whoever's running this thing in the shadows, is the one I believe that has the most motive. Whether that's, this is true or not, I don't know. But it seems like that's what the consensus is of most people on the internet that I've seen. You know, it's really, like, what did Trump do last time that was so bad?

He had four years. If he was going to do something insane, he would have done it. Right. Plus, there's checks and balances. A president doesn't have that much power. What did John F. Kennedy say a month before he was killed? He said he was going to remove 100,000 troops out of Vietnam every month for four months. So 400,000 troops out of Vietnam.

That was a military coup. The Joint Chiefs of Staff did not want that to happen. They had a crazy nuclear war plan to nuke China and Russia. Kennedy and his brother wanted nothing to do with it. And he said, fuck you guys, I'm pulling out all the troops. A month later, he's dead. What did Trump say? Trump said, I am going to stop the funding to Ukraine for this war against Russia.

going to end this war. Right. Then they, then a fucking bullet flies and half inch away from his fucking temple. It's eight of them. I mean, it's really,

you gotta have, there's got to be, I mean, any, they kill that poor guy in the crowd. Everybody forgets about that guy. I know, the poor fucking guy.

That's just, the firefighter, no less. Yeah. His daughter was there, his wife was there. And there's still people that want to say that it was fake.

Like, get the fuck out of here. So this is my, my biggest problem with this is like, it makes sense until the bullet misses him. Because if it really was the CIA, Trump would be dead.

Yeah. Well, maybe it's just a fluke. They would have turned his head. They would have had a backup plan. They would have had multiple shooters. I mean, I'm sure the kid shot his bullets. I really find it hard to believe that if it was the military or a U.S. agency that they would have missed. Well, keep in mind, too, maybe the first thing is let's sit in this kid.

Maybe he's competent enough to pull it off. Maybe the second one is, okay, he wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't competent enough. But don't worry. there's some more rallies coming up. Yeah. Or, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Like, hey, don't worry. He'll be out in the open again. We'll get him next time. Right. We have to, you know, clearly. What we need is some shorter secret service agents. Can we get five foot one female agents? Jesus Christ, dude.

The fact that he has the gullas and balls to keep doing this stuff. I know. He went golfing the next fucking dad. I know. Did you see that? Yeah. He did like, there was a report from the cart boy who's like, yeah. He goes, I watched him do a 24.

foot put with a two foot break he sunk the goddamn put and said the difference between me and that shooter is i don't miss what a savage i mean jesus christ you can't you can't you can't make this shit up you can't write you can't write a better script dude and then with what he said i mean he he showed so much fucking fearlessness and defiance when he was going anybody else would be like fight fight fight i mean like anybody else is like give me the carlub give me out of here it's over Yeah, right, for sure. Right. For sure. He's like, nah.

It is over unless they fucking find a way to kill him, man. And I really hope they don't. I really fucking hope they don't because it's going to be utter chaos and I hope you have a passport to another fucking country if that happens. The insanity that we're having this conversation, I'm the country that I grew up in. Like, this is insane. I don't remember people getting shot. Reagan got shot. But this was a lone nut job, you know.

And he was also five feet away from his car. Yeah, this was like. And you never saw him after that bullet went off. They dogpiled him and you never saw him after that. And you talk and they talked to, you know, the thing is he was left alive and you knew right away what the issue was. He was in factuary with Jody Foster. He'd actually gone to other, to rallies. It just happened to realize, oh, what, Reagan's going to be here.

Oh, I'll go. Maybe I'll get a shot at him. took a shot. But there's never been any, you know, XK Ultra, what was it called? MK Ultra. MK. Ultra. You know, nobody's ever said anything, but this was just a lone nut job. What was his name?

I forget. Come on. The guy that shot. Was it John something? John. The guy who shot Reagan? I want to say John Hinkley. John Hinkley.

That sounds right. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, he ended up getting shoot. He ended up getting somebody. I forget. The guy's like a vegetable. It was a secret service agent right there that got hit.

Yeah. And Reagan, I think, they went right through his long. It broke his ribs and it went right through his long years in the hospital for, I think a month. Someone else got shot in the head. Yeah, another guy got shot in the head. During that. Yeah. Really?

And the Reagan thing, you got shot in that guy. I forget his name. Shoot, that's horrible. Yeah, he was like, not a vegetable, but close to a vegetable. And Reagan didn't even know he'd been shot. Got in the car. It was blocks away before. He was saying, oh, I'm okay, I'm okay, okay.

Oh, yeah. And then all of a sudden they said he just kind of started sliding sideways, got him all the way. The adrenaline was rushing so hard. He didn't even fucking know he had a bullet in him. And then I remember this is another one that they talk about where they said he was when they were about to put him under the surgery. And he stops and they said he like stopped the anesthesiologist and he looks around at the surgeon and he goes, I hope everybody here's a Republican. And the surgeon goes, we are today, sir. we are today.

That's funny. Oh, my God. Yeah, play it. Oh, this is the guy, the bald guy right here. Look, right here. That's him? I think he gets shot in the head. Oh, we don't have, that doesn't continue?

I don't know. It's all, it's like a news clip. It's all put together. You can't find the raw footage. What? I saw it just the other day. You saw the raw footage? Yeah.

It's always mixed in with packages. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This is JFK? This is JFK.

Bro, you want to hear the craziest shit I've ever heard about JFK. Had this guy in the podcast named Danny Sheen, who blew my fucking mind. See the guy on the ground? Just laying flat out. He's gone, right? He shot right in the head. How many shots were fired?

Hinckley shot him right in the head. And Hinckley, what happened to Hinckley right after that? They blew him away, or what? I mean, no, no. Oh, no. He went, he's out now. I think he's out now. He was sent to a psychiatric hospital. He spent like 20 or 30 years. They didn't kill him? No. They just grabbed

This is back in the 80s when they still, you know, there was still a little restraint on law enforcement. Oh my God. He's still alive. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's allowed to leave, like he can go home passes and leave the, I'm pretty sure. How old was he when he shot Reagan? Young. Probably in his 20s, right?

Not an extremely attractive man. How old was? How old was Hinkley when he shot Reagan? Oh, it says when he dies. Is he dead? He was 25 when he shot Reagan. 25? Is that him now? No, is that him?

That's him now. Okay. Oh, he must be still alive. Yeah. Whoa. Imagine you fucking shot the president and killed another guy and you're walking the streets. They didn't kill the guy. I don't think he killed anybody.

The guy lived. But still, he shot him in the head. He lives in a horrible situation. It's a horrible, like, situation. Where are you in the last 40 years? I've been in prison? Why that? I tried to kill the president.

Yeah. He was, you know. 69 now. So that photo was a little older. Wow, dude. Jody Foster, he was infatuated with her. And that's why I tried to kill Reagan. You know that, right? No. He's just trying to get her attention.

No way. Figured if he killed the president, he'd get Jody Foster's attention. Like to woo her? Yeah. Wow. Insane, right? That's amazing, dude. That's fucking ridiculous. I can't believe I can't remember the guy's name that got shot. It was a cabinet member or something, two, of Reagan's, like, so sad.

Just walking along. Yeah. And then survived. Like, I think he was in a wheelchair or, you know, he's, you know, shot in the head, like, a few times in the head. Like, in his brain, like, it's scrambled. Like, he's never the same. These guys drooling out of the side of his fucking mouth for the rest of his life. It's horrible.

So the guy, I was telling you about Danny Sheen who's on the podcast. He's a lawyer, and he worked on a bunch of big cases. He worked on water, what? It was James Brady. Oh, karaoke was going to be calling in in about 20 minutes. Yeah. Yeah, the guy was James Brady. Oh, James Brady.

Oh, is that him now? Brady, okay, perfect. Can you type in James, click on James Brady Gunshot, see if they have any photos of it? James Brady. Gunshot. Oh, wow. There's that.

Oh, my God. So what, like, great. raised his head, right? It didn't go right through his head, obviously. So it hit him in the head. Look at his forehead. Yeah. It hit him in the head. That's all blurred. Are there any more photos? Trust me, he's never the same. Like, look at this guy. He's not. That's amazing. He lives. Look the way he's laying. He's not okay. No. That sucks. Yeah, there's not that many shots.

It's a miracle he lived. They didn't have burst mode back then. Yeah. Oh, look at that photo. There's them sprawled out. This is a bad day. Oh, look, straight over his head. That's a fuck. Yeah.

Anyways, this guy, Danny Sheehan's a lawyer. He worked on the Watergate case and he worked on the Pentagon Papers case. He worked on Iran-Contra case. Guy goes back, right? He's been like all the most famous cases in the United States. And he was explaining to me the whole backstory of how Kennedy got killed. It's fucking wild. He was saying that when Nixon was running for president, he was running against Roosevelt.

and Roosevelt dropped out and then Nixon thought he had a straight shot to win the presidency, right? No, they never thought, he never thought for a second that Kennedy was going to beat him. And he was winning in the poll. Kennedy was losing in the polls until they did the- Until they did the thing with the blacks. Yeah. No, no, I was saying that the, they did the debate. Oh.

Because Nixon was sweating. He looked so, he did so badly in the debate. Oh, that was it. Yeah. Well, he starts sweating. Like he keeps having to wipe it. And Kennedy, even though he maybe just held his own. Yeah.

But Nixon looked so bad. He's wiping his head because it was super hot. But he's also nervous. Right. So it's exasperated. Yeah, yeah. Kennedy's a good-looking young guy, well-spoken. Like, oh, like, you know what Nixon look like.

Yeah. He looks like a tear. I mean, and they go through the bait and Kennedy just came off much, much more smooth. Right. So Nixon was the head of this thing called the 5412 committee, which was part of the national intelligence. And it was basically he was like a part of this committee, the 5412 committee that was part of covert ops for the CIA. And after Roosevelt dropped, or not Roosevelt, after Rockefeller dropped out, everyone thought Nixon was going to be the next president. Okay.

So Nixon wanted Castro whacked. for some reason he thought that if he could set up an assassination on Castro to line up with his presidency, it would be great. So what he did was he contacted Howard Hughes, the airplane guy. I know, yeah. Who fucking, right. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

And Howard Hughes had this huge connection to intelligence. I mean, he was part of like recovering the Glomar Explorer, the Russian submarine, all this crazy shit. Oh, yeah. The YouTube spy plane. Yeah. Yeah. He did a ton of patents. Yes.

So Howard Hughes went to these two mob guys Who I forget their names Who were in Vegas And they were like Howard Hughes thought he could get these mob guys To take out Castro or set up a team to kill Castro The mob guys, they go to Chicago Meet with the other head of the forget the other mob guy

Was in Chicago They're meeting and they're saying Well, this is Santo Traficonte territory Cuba right Santo Traficate I think at that time he was in Tampa But he was like the boss of like that area And they meet with Santos Traficante in the Fountain Blue Hotel in Miami.

And Santo Traficonte is like, well, you know, I got to make sure that this is really an order. They're like the president, Nixon, who's about to be the president, is wants this done. Can you get this done for us? He's like, well, if you can prove that he really, you know, right, made this order. And this is not you guys just doing this.

So they got a guy for the CIA employee to come down, represented Nixon to give Traficonte the green light. So Traficante recruits these guys from this CIA operations. Operation 40, who were these anti-Castro Cubans who were conducting sabotage inside Cuba, when Castro and Che and Raul were down there, you know, doing their thing. And these Operation 40 guys, they picked a few of them. I think it was 10 or 15 of them. And they brought them to this ranch called Wahaka Ranch.

And they were, and another ranch that was in South Florida, like near the Everglades. And they were training these guys in what were called triangular fire teams. So they would set up in a triangular formation of three shooters to take out a moving target. And this was all in plans to kill Castro. After training these guys, they obviously, they went there. You know the stories.

They went down to Cuba to try to assassinate Castro. They went twice. It was a failed attempt both times to kill Castro. And then later on, it was the same Cuban. So those Cubans were the ones that they tried to use to kill Kennedy. So when Kennedy, when they wanted to assassinate Kennedy, they found out like the best shooters that we know that hated Kennedy

because of all the shit that Kennedy did after the Bay of Pigs and all that stuff were these anti-Castro Cubans. They were great shooters. They knew they could cover it up and they fucking hated Kennedy. So he was saying those were the guys who actually pulled the trigger in Dealey Plaza that killed Kennedy. Later on, there's water. The guys that were caught in Watergate was Bernard Barker was one of them.

He was one of the anti-Castro Cubans. Now, the way they were funding these guys at this ranch, this Wahaka Ranch in Mexico during the triangular fire team training was through a bank called the Banco International. And this bank is complicated, but they were skimming money off the mob casinos, sending it to Meyer-Lansky's bank in Miami, and they were wiring it from Meyer-Lansky's bank to the Bank International in Mexico to pay these CIA mercenaries to train them how to kill Castro, which were eventually the same guys they used to kill the president, right? So fast forward to Watergate, one of the guys that was in the hotel that got caught had a banknote in his pocket,

had a bill, right? They traced the bill back to that same bank. Now, there was an FBI guy who was trying to investigate that dollar, that banknote. find out where it came from. Somehow, um, the guy in Nixon's staff in the White House finds out about this investigation calls up Richard Helms and the CIA and another guy in the FBI says, you need to meet with this guy, uh, Mark, Mark Fent or Mark something, I forget his name. They said, you need to, you need to stop this FBI investigation into that bank account. Because if you find out what was going on with those Cubans and why we were training them down in Mexico, you're going to peel off a scab and you're going to unleash a genie

that we can't put back in the bottle because they knew if they investigated that bank, they would find out that those were the guys that they used to kill Kennedy. And Nixon knew if they found out that those Cubans were the ones that did kill Kennedy, they would be able to trace those Cubans back to Nixon, and they would think Nixon was the one who tried to kill Kennedy, which he wasn't. He would use those guys to kill Castro. So he stepped down to stop the investigation? So no, there was a whole other thing with the investigation. there was I forget the guys name

the other FBI guy there was a bunch of shit involved with Watergate but basically the idea behind Watergate the reason that this is what Danny Sheehan says the reason for Watergate

was he wanted those guys to break in because they were going all of Howard Hughes who was Nixon's biggest financial backer biggest lobbyist for Nixon all of his

if they found out all of his stuff that was in that hotel they would find out about the shooters. So Nixon didn't want any connection to him hiring those assassins to kill Castro because if they found out about that, they would find out that the same guys killed Kennedy

and they would make the connection from Nixon to Kennedy. Yeah, I understand. They would assume that, which it wasn't true, but that was the reason for Watergate, according to Danny Sheehan. It's crazy complicated, right? But it's an insane story. Okay. I mean, I thought,

Watergate, they were just breaking into the Democratic Party's headquarters just to try and plant bugs. Yeah, that's the story, right? But according to Danny, it was way bigger, way deeper than that. It was because they didn't want to find out about who really killed the president. And Danny claims that there's still Cubans that are alive today, anti-Castro guys who were part of that CIA oppression 40, who actually were responsible for killing Kennedy. So what happened with Nixon anyway? First, he ran against, he ran against John F. Kennedy, he lost. Then Kennedy got killed and LBJ took a... LBJ stepped in. Then LBJ was he reelected?

I don't think so. Or did he lose against... Did he lose against... Because then Nixon runs again and wins. And wins. That's when Watergate happens. Yeah, well, once he won. Yeah.

Because he was about to start running again. So he's going to... He wants some inside information on... I thought that's what... That's the historic version is he wanted inside information. Yeah. There's a lot of different theories on Watergate, but this was like the wildest one that I've ever heard. And Danny Sheehan was a part of that whole investigation.

So he would know. Danny actually interviewed that mob guy, Traficonte, in Miami. And Traficante told him that that's why those guys were breaking in. What's next? Straight from the fucking horse's mouth. It doesn't get any crazy than that. Dude, another thing about Trump. is ever since that debate with Biden,

I mean, that was a fucking brutal moment too. That was like, I think that was the moment after that in that debate where he goes, I don't know what he the fuck he just said. I don't think he knows either. That was like, okay, this is done after that. He was actually way more reserved than I thought he was. That's what I'm saying.

He's been super reserved, super magnanimous. Yeah. Since that election, right? He hasn't been typical Trump. I think during his first, during the first, you know, presidential run or whatever you want to call it, I think he learned a lot. Like I think he, you know what I'm saying? I think he learned like, like, you just can't say some stuff. You know what I'm saying?

Not that he's learned a ton, but he's definitely, he's tapered back the rhetoric, not a huge amount, but let's say 20%, 30%. Like he could have really been brutal to Biden, but he wasn't. But he doesn't have to be anymore. Like it's like, listen, I remember one time, he doesn't. One time I was evicting this guy and he was a, he was a former Vietnam vet. We had bought a bunch of, we bought like 20, my wife at the time, we bought like 20 units. And so there's this guy who's literally got a water hose hooked up. And then when we're trying to show the apartments, he's hosing people down.

and when the other tenants would come around, he'd hose him down. Like he was just a huge nuisance, right? And he was crazy. And so we just started evicting him. Now, he'd pay his rent. But his rent was nothing either. We wanted to raise the rent by two or three hundred bucks. He'd been in there.

He'd just been a pain in the ass. So when we finally get to, and he did everything to stop it, he hired an attorney. They tried, we went to mediation. And, you know, he's just a lunatic. Keep going. He was a lunatic. Well, what ends up happening is he, he ends up when we finally get to court.

Because the problem was he's paying his rent into the court. You know what I'm saying? Like what a pain in the ass this guy? Right, right. Because we're not evicting him for, we're not evicting him because he's not paying. He's paying. That's the worst of it.

He is paying. But he's such a nuisance. We want him gone. Right. He doesn't have a lease anymore. His lease is expired. He just wouldn't leave, but he keeps paying.

So anyway, We're trying to evict him. We end up getting into court. And when we got into court, the judge comes up. And he's like, okay, listen, there's this. They filed the three-day notice. They filed the 10-day notice. They did this.

They did this. You've been served. Like, well, what is going on here? Let's say the guy's names is like Mr. Johnson. Mr. Johnson, he says, okay, what's going on? He looks at me. He goes, Mr. Cox, he said, what's going on here? Like, I'm going to let you talk first.

And I went, you know, Your Honor? I said, I think you'll have a better understanding. if you let Mr. Johnson explain. And he's okay. He's like, whatever, jackass. He's like, all right, Mr. Johnson, why don't you go ahead and explain? And he's like, Your Honor, I'm a Vietnam vet. And these criminals, they're all over the place.

And I have to, I use my hose so that I don't shoot them. And they're everywhere. And he just starts, he rants and raves for like five. And as he's doing it, the judge is staring at him. And at some point, he looks over at me and I go, like that. And the judge goes, okay, Mr. Johnson,

I think I understand what's going on here. He said, I'm, and then he turned. What was that? That's the alarm for karaoke. Oh, oh. And then he goes,

he ends up, the judge goes, I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to allow the, you know, blah, blah, blah. You've got 10 days to vacate or you'll be removed, blah, blah, blah.

And it was over. That was it. It's over. Guy's still screaming when the judge fucking hauls ass. You, he walks out like they have like a side door. Judge, like, bolt out the side door. The guy's still screaming.

We just walk away. But it's like, that's kind of like how I felt Trump was at the thing. He's like, I don't even have to say anything. Go ahead and you answer this question. Like, the more you answer these questions, Biden, the more people understand, you can't let this continue. I mean, not even just during the debate, though. But, like, even after the fucking assassination attempt, like, he wasn't on Twitter talking

talking all this shit, like, calling out the fucking radical. He hasn't been as divisive as he was when he was first president. He's been very, very reserved. And even like his statement afterwards, like saying, like giving condolences for the people that were killed and all this stuff. Like, it's interesting. And like when he talks on Thursday, it's going to be interesting because there's reports that he rewrote his script for his speech, right?

Right. So I'm wondering if he's going to take the opportunity. to come out and unite the country and not be typical Trump. So overwhelmingly polarized, there's nothing he can say. People don't want, they don't, they just don't want to believe. They don't, has he won over some more people? Probably, you know, I mean, but the people that are dug in, they're, they're lunatics. Like the people that are, they're just not, there's no reasoning with them.

He's a racist. He calls for this. He called for that. Like, when? Show me the film. When did he say this? When he say that. He doesn't need the polarizing decisive, decisive messaging anymore, though.

He doesn't need that. It's done. He's already won. My point is, Ken, what I'm saying is that those people that have already decided to vote for Biden, they're voting for him no matter what Trump says. Right. It doesn't matter. For sure.

For sure. If Trump, if Biden came out and started saying just horrific things, they wouldn't change their vote. No. Nothing would change it. No. So there's nothing for him to do. The piece got his base. It's more than 50 percent.

it's going to be a landslide in the electoral vote. And he's like, I've got it. I just have to not say anything overwhelmingly stupid at this point, which I'm sure his handlers, that's an issue. You know, he's always going to say something crazy. So they're probably like just stick with what the teleprompter says. That's it. It's all you have to do.

You walk into the White House. What do you think he's going to do to get rid of the Ukraine situation? What do I think he's going to do? Because you know on day one, he's going to want to try and nip that in the buck. I mean, I hope he does. I hope, I mean, I, look, I don't know shit about fuck about how that works or like who's in charge of the Ukraine war. I know it goes deep into like the EU is involved with this and the globalists, as Alex would say. And there's a lot of other countries that are really invested in this war.

I don't know how he would pull out of that. I think it might be somewhat easy. But there's a lot of pieces on that chessboard to move to make that happen. But just the threat of just him saying he's going to do it has people freaking the fuck out. I mean, I think that's all you have to do is freak poop now. you just have to get Putin to say, okay, you just kind of go in there and say, look, you keep what you already have.

That's it. What you've got, you got, that's it. And then, or we're going to send in U.S. troops. Yeah, I mean, just a diplomacy, man, it's just like, I think he, I mean, that's the one thing that he did when, one of the good things that he did. John, what's up, man? Thanks for coming on and, uh, and talking to us on this, on this little,

we're doing this little podcast, just trying to like, uh, react to what's been going on with the whole Trump thing. and how it happened. I know you have your show that you do every day and you guys have been covering this. What is your view on what happened on, I think it was Saturday with Trump and everything that's coming out?

What is your view on everything? You know, I think the easiest explanation is probably the best explanation at this early stage and that is that this was a colossal, historic screw up on the part of, of the U.S. Secret Service. You know, let me add a little detail, too. I grew up walking distance from this location,

the Butler County Fairgrounds and Farm Show. We never missed a year when I was a kid. There's nothing to do in Western Pennsylvania. And so we would go to the farm and the farm show in the fair. And it's a big deal because politicians always come and they have these events. So it's not like this is the first time anybody's ever come to Butler County. You know, this is something that they should have been used to. Now, getting to the screw up, here you've got a guy that's not just a presidential candidate, presidential nominee, but he's a former president of the United States.

And the only job of the Secret Service is to protect the candidate. That's it. And what they're telling us today is that they essentially outsourced coverage of these external buildings to the Butler County, Pennsylvania Sheriff's Department. You know, when I first heard that, I wanted to laugh because this is literally not something you would ever do if you are the Secret Service. Going back just a little bit, you know, there were two major assassinations in 1968, of course. In 1972, George Wallace was shot and wounded in Laurel, Maryland. He was running for president on the American Party ticket. 1981 Donald Trump Ronald Reagan was shot and grievously wounded.

So after each one of these shootings, there was a top to bottom review of the Secret Services procedures. This is the term that they're using yesterday and today, a top to bottom review. So we've gone from 1981 until Saturday with no credible attempts against the life of a candidate. So why now? how was a 20-year-old able to climb to the roof of a building within direct line of sight of the former president of the United States, stay there for quite some time, be confronted at least twice that we know of, and still get a shot off. That doesn't make any kind of sense to me at all.

Major, major screw-up. And not only that, but after the Secret Service agents jumped on top of him and dogpiled him, they let him stand up with shoulder to head fully exposed around those guys as he barged through those Secret Service agents to like show his strength and like pump his fist to his audience. If there was a second shooter, if this was anything remotely similar to the JFK set up, if it was a triangular hit team or multiple shooters or whatever, that was a turkey shot, an easy shot for a second shooter to get off even after that first guy was neutralized. You are exactly right. You are 100% right. And let me add something to that too. I happen to be with my son, my 20-year-old son, when we heard news of this attempt on Donald Trump. And he said to me, you know, he said, about four weeks ago, I went to a NASCAR event in North Carolina, right? 50,000 people in this, whatever it is, track. And Donald Trump was the guest of honor. So they have him stand on this balcony on top of,

of the press area, where the press is gathered to overlook the track. He's the only person wearing a red hat. He was standing out there in front of everybody. There was no security to get in. You didn't have to go through any metal detector or anything. And he turned to his girlfriend, my son did, and said, my God, if somebody wanted to kill Trump, he said, this would be like fish in a barrel. So apparently this is a bigger problem than just somebody screwed up on Saturday.

This is a problem with the actual standard operating procedure of protecting a candidate that the Secret Service has implemented. Now, you were in CIA for how many years? 15. 15 years. And you were overseas in war zones working with armed military, taking out people like Abuza Beta, capturing him. And I'm sure you've been in situations similar to this where there has to be like a perimeter set up or like people that have to be on watch. How does this typically work? Do you know anything about like how the perimeters have to be set up, how wide they have to be?

Yeah, actually. And I had this conversation today with a friend of mine who happens to be a former FBI agent as well. And we were in agreement that you have to sweep literally every building. you set up a perimeter around or that includes every building with line of sight to the candidate. And you keep sweeping it. Now, if there are buildings, multiple buildings, you have somebody on literally every single roof, just so that something like this doesn't happen. And as long ago as 10 years, we were using drones to supplement the human surveillance. at places like Bagram Air Base.

You know, Babram, you've got a prison in the center, and then there's a perimeter around that, and then you've got the living area, and you've got the working area, and there's a perimeter around that. Then you've got guys outside the fence walking that perimeter. But then you've got, you know, two, three, four drones overhead, and somebody inside monitoring the drone coverage.

Again, this is a former president of the United States, and there was no drone coverage? Like we're supposed to just accept that the Butler County, Pennsylvania Sheriff's Department was responsible for this? No. That's just not real life. And is it possible that the Sheriff's Department, I mean, there's footage of the guy climbing on the roof

with cops walking around the building looking at him? And then there was obviously, like everyone's aware of the report of the cop actually climbing up there and then like falling off after the guy points his rifle at him. Is there any sort of radio frequency between these cops and the Secret Service? Like you would imagine that the cop would be able to just to like turn on his radio right then and there and say, shooter. In most cases, no. So in most cases, because this is just like not just even a one day event, it's a one hour event or three hour event altogether.

The cop would radio back to his dispatch. Dispatch would be liaising with Secret Service. and then the Secret Service Dispatcher would radio Secret Service. So you're going to lose, you know, 15 seconds maybe, which is plenty of time to kill somebody. But that's how haphazardly this was arranged. And, you know, it's easy to fall into this rut. Well, you know, nobody's taking a shot at a presidential candidate since 1981.

They're not going to do it in Butler, Pennsylvania. Let's just get through this one hour. And then we wrap it all up and we go on to Millwine. I guarantee you that's what these guys were thinking. And the sniper, there's reports that the sniper saw the guy on the roof like five minutes before he took the shots and they were looking at him the whole time. And then he was radioing his superior about it. They knew he was there. And they said, don't take the shot.

And I assume I don't know what it's like to be a guy who says on the roof with a sniper for three hours. I can't imagine how boring that must be, especially when you're doing it like on multiple events like throughout, you know, whatever the month. but like I imagine there's got to be some sort of fear of maybe like maybe that guy is like a SWAT guy I don't know about on that roof. I don't want to take out like an innocent cop or something like that. What do you make of that guy being aware of the guy being there and not being able to take the shot until there was eight shots fired? Well, your assumption is exactly correct. So can you imagine you're a sniper for the secret service you go through a 30 year career and never ever fire the weapon? I can't fucking imagine, dude.

That's what we were saying. That's crazy. But yeah, your thought is a good one. The sniper has to be thinking, is that one of the cops? Is that a Pennsylvania state trooper? Is it, you know, the janitor for that building who wandered onto the roof to get a better look? Should I shoot him? If I shoot him, I'm trained to kill him.

So maybe I shouldn't shoot him. I should probably radio in and say, hey, there's this guy. Now, as it turned out, rather than... once shots were being fired rather than radio back to dispatch and ask for permission to shoot, he just shot, which thank God he did.

But the system is such that it's not efficient enough to save a candidate who's under fire. It's just not. Can I ask a question? Yeah, I got my friend Matt Cox is here. He wants to ask you a question as well. Does he think that it was

just incompetence or does he think that there's a possibility that it was done specifically for a reason, like to leave open, you know, a, I don't know, an opportunity for someone to take a shot. Sure, lots and lots of people are talking about that today and yesterday. And my gut response is no or likely, likely no, only because an operation like that would have so many moving parts

that it would be virtually impossible to carry out. And I mentioned this today, this FBI friend of mine. And she said, you know, she's given this a lot of thought as well. And if they were going to do that, they wouldn't have outsourced it to a 20-year-old. You know, just some local yokel from Bethel Park, Pennsylvania. And they wouldn't have done it in front of thousands of people. It's just not the way they would carry out an operation like that. It's not that they have in the past.

Right. That's not what I'm saying. But in the event that there was an operation, they would miss. Number one, they wouldn't, they wouldn't, they would, if it was the military or any kind of U.S. organization, Trump would not be here right now. So he's, so what you're saying is if it's a patsy situation where the kid is just a patsy, at the very least they're going to have snipers to take them out, to take out Trump.

You're exactly right. And there would have to be secondary and tertiary levels just in case. the kid missed or the kid needed to be taken out. Right. You remember seeing the video of Lee Harvey Oswald saying, I'm just a patsy right before he was killed. You know, that's something I think we're always going to have to be thinking about in situations like this. Now, what do you make of, I mean, I've watched, I've been watching as well as everyone probably has been watching, I've been watching hundreds and hundreds of people's takes on what happened over the last two days. And it seems like an overwhelming majority of people who have been looking at this and people talking heads on YouTube that have been, you know, doing a play by play.

The consensus is that it was the United States that was behind this or the quote, deep state was behind this because their evidence is like look at the last four years of how they tried to take out Trump with all these other things with like, you know, there was Russia gate. There was the trial, the show trial in New York. then there was what else was there? The document the document case yeah there's so many things that they've tried to do

to take him out of the race and then now you have an assassination well isn't that convenient right like that seems to be the overwhelming consensus and I don't know because I wasn't alive back when Reagan they tried to take out Reagan

but was it like that nobody tried to take out Reagan who was the guy that was shot it was Reagan right yeah Reagan was shot by John Hinkly Right. So trying to impress Judy Foster. Right, exactly. So when Reagan was shot, was that, was America talking about it, the way they're talking about it right now? Like, was America thinking like, oh, my God, this was America that took him out of the deep state or whatever.

No, no, no, no. No, the whole country pulled together. Reagan's popularity went into the 90s. The whole country came together. Right. It's so different. You know, you and I, Danny, have talked about this in the past. I've been in Washington for 42 years. I came here, I moved here the week after I turned 18 to go to college. And it has become such an ugly, mean-spirited city. I'm not able to compare it to any other place that I've been in the world. And so that's why we have these rumors. That's why we have, you know, rational people.

People I respect, for example, going on Twitter, going on Facebook and saying, it was the deep state. Well, like I said, there are so many moving parts to a conspiracy that if it was the deep state, they would have gotten them ages ago. They wouldn't have to have trumped up federal and state charges and found this 20-year-old idiot to climb onto a roof. They would have gotten him. They would have gotten him somehow. I've got a buddy who's a retired colonel in the army and kind of a prominent Republican. fundraiser now. And he told me over the weekend that he went to Mara Lago about six months ago

for a fundraising event. And he and his wife are, they not only have concealed carry permits, but they're concealed carry instructors. And so he pulls up to Mara Lago and the Secret Service stops him at the gate and, hey, folks, how are you tonight? Do you have any weapons in the car? And he said, actually, we do. We've got two weapons in the trunk, but they're both secured. The Secret Service guy says, I'm sorry, you can't bring them onto the ground. He said, fine. He led his wife out, drove back to the hotel, locked up his guns in the safe, and then went back to Marlau, I go 15, 20 minutes later. But he said, the point is, nobody ever searched the car.

Right. And if he had said, no, I don't have any guns, he could have walked right into that ballroom fully armed. What is the Secret Service thinking? This is a systemic problem here. It's not just what happened Saturday. It's through the entire system of protection that the Secret Service is supposed to be implementing. Right. What, how much credit do you give to the idea that it could have been a foreign adversary like China, Russia, or Iran?

Right. Well, that's something that the FBI mentioned right off the bat. that it's something that they have to consider. And how possible or how probable do you think something like that would be? Unlikely. You know, when John Kennedy was killed, the Soviets came to us within minutes. And at the CIA, you know, we keep all these historical documents. You can, as a junior analyst, you can just go through them and get an idea of what it was like back then.

They came to us within minutes of Kennedy being killed and saying, we swear to God it was. us. We swear it wasn't us. The Chinese did the same thing. And then the Cubans asked the Mexicans to tell us, look, it wasn't us. Right. So that, that, I mean, I mean, that's, that, that's a trigger for World War III. Absolutely. If you try to take out a candidate for president of the United States. Yeah. Absolutely. It's just not worth the blowback potential. Once again, you're not going to use the 20 year old. It's the same thing. It's going to be, even if they're going to do it, it's going to be a successful operation. They're not going to leave anything to chance.

Yeah. They're not going to put it in the hands of a 20-year-old kid. So. And it's not going to be from 145 yards either. It's going to be from 500 yards or 800 yards. Oh, really? Any idea where it came from. If you're going to, if you're going to use a professional sniper to do it, first of all,

he's not going to use an AR-15 with, you know, by all accounts, you know, 22 or 556 or whatever, whatever, you know, rounds, right. EBS he was shooting. If you have a professional sniper, he's going to be so far away, you can't even see him, and he's not going to miss. Yeah, it's crazy, man. What do you think would have happened if that bullet would have hit him and taken him out? What do you think the reaction would have been? I heard it take my buddy Julian was saying that if the bullet would have hit him, it would have been like a Franz Ferdinand moment.

The bullet that took out Franz Ferdinand. to start a World War I. He said civil war doesn't even do it justice. It would be far bigger. You know, I mentioned a few minutes ago, Danny. So many of my friends, like a lot of high school friends, for example, who still live in the area in Western Pennsylvania, these are people I've liked and respected all my life.

We may not agree on politics, but we like and respect each other. We're in each other's weddings. We visit each other. You get the idea. And that's exactly what they were talking about. They would have armed themselves. this within moments and they would have taken to the streets. I think that's exactly what would happen.

Yeah. This was as close a call as we could have had. So, like, I guess the idea, like, I understand what you're saying. If this was an intelligence operation, it would have been successful. It would not have been so sloppy. But, like, what about the idea that the kid could have been MK. Ultrad? Or, like, like, some sort of foreign agent could have used him and coerced him subverted him into talking him up and saying, oh, this might be a good idea.

Even if it was a failure, maybe it could, at the very least, incite chaos in the U.S. And disrupt the system a bit and disrupt the populace. You know, at the very best, maybe the freaking the crazy kid gets lucky and hits his shot. But you're saying, you're essentially saying that no, that's too sloppy, even if it was just one kid that they, tried to brainwash or subvert somehow, they would have had a backup option in place. Yeah, they would have. And, you know, not every country is capable of carrying out an operation like that, especially if you're talking about MK Ultra and mind control and hypnosis and all that stuff, you're talking about three, four, five countries that are able to do

it, Russia, China, Israel, North Korea. That's probably about it. Right. Well, you know it wasn't Israel. Israel just gave him $100 billion or $100 million, right? Yeah, that's right. Adelson's right. Yeah, exactly right. $150 million, something like that. Insane.

But, yeah, again, the blowback potential is such that, you know, I mean, let's say the Chinese did this. Right. And we were able to develop information confirming that the Chinese had done it. I mean, you're talking about a nuclear exchange being the next step. if it had been successful. Question. And we had not the Chinese. Matt has a question.

First off, I think it was just a 20-year-old. But, you know, for the content sake. Assuming that it was, I don't know, whatever you want to call it, deep state or, you know, an attempted assassination that failed. And, you know, do, if it was an attempted assassination, assassination that failed, in your opinion, do they just take their ball and go home or do they and just say, hey, Trump's going to win it, we messed up, or do they try again? Very good. And I agree with you.

I think it was the kid. But if it were an operation, yes, you pick up the ball and you go home. Let's use this as an example of the Bay of pigs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Once you've blown it, that's it. It's done. It's over.

You had your shot. It was one shot. It's over. And then you deal with a blowback. You know? That's why you got to get it right the first time. Look at the Bay of Pigs, for example. The only reason that the Bay of Pigs failed was because John Kennedy made a strategic policy decision not to provide air cover.

Right. So we didn't say, all right, everybody, let's try it again in two weeks. And this time we use air cover. no, we just, we took our lumps and went home. And that's the way it happens. Okay, finally, maybe you can educate us numbskulls on who is this guy who's the new vice president? And what do you make of that?

Can you give us some sort of like educated opinion on this guy and what this means? This is actually kind of a bold, a bold choice. So J.D. Vance is, he was famous. well before he ever entered politics. He's very young. He's 39 years old. He's a self-made billionaire from a hedge fund that he created on Wall Street. But this guy grew up in

abject poverty in the Appalachia area of Southern Ohio. And he was raised by his grandmother. His mother was a heroin and meth addict and was never a major part

of his life. And so his grandmother stressed education, education, education. And he was a smart kid. And so he won scholarships. He went to school. He ended up going to Yale and then made it big, big on Wall Street. He wrote a book called Hillbilly Elegie talking about coming out of this abject poverty,

but not as a lefty. He picked himself up by his bootstraps and he did it through hard work, not because welfare paid for this or welfare paid for that. That's what Billy Elligy was about. It became quite a popular and successful movie. And then he decided to go into politics. The interesting thing to me is that he was an anti-Trump Republican for a long time. I saw that.

He wrote quite a powerful op-ed saying that Donald Trump was an idiot and a monster. And then we learned from Donald Trump Jr. just a week ago that the choice probably wouldn't be J.D.V. Vance because Donald Sr. has this visceral dislike of facial hair. And he had mentioned to family members he couldn't stand the thought of looking at J.D. Vance every day with a beard and mustache. Oh, my God. That's insane.

He's smart. He's rich. He's self-made. He's a great campaigner. And like I say, I think this was actually a pretty bold choice. Interesting. Well, awesome. I can't thank you enough, John.

I appreciate all your insight and for answering our questions here today. It really gives us some credibility here for doing this podcast. We don't have any. We have no business talking about this kind of shit by ourselves. So thanks again, man. I really appreciate it. Yes, sir. I love you, man, and I'll talk to you very soon.

Bye-bye. Looking forward to it. See you, John. I tell you what makes me feel better is how close everything we said was to what he's kind of saying. You know what I'm saying? It was pretty not perfect but pretty close. Yeah. Except for the me saying like they're

not going to take their ball and going home. He's like oh no no take your ball and go home. Yeah, everyone else is. Yeah, that's what Alex Jones was saying the opposite. He goes they're going for fucking broke. Yeah. Interesting. Well. But the other stuff We will see. Yeah, the other stuff

was spot on. I thought we gave some. Oh, wow. Look at that. We can see ourselves. Look at you. Matt Cox. You look like that? I need a fucking haircut, dude. Are you kidding me? Look when I smile. Let me see. Let's see Matt smile. Let's see Matt smile. Look at that beautiful smile. Look at this is in. Oh, the crow's feet, Matt. You need some get some Biden Botox, dude. I'm not doing it. I don't want to do it. It's embarrassing enough. I got the hair plug. Look how great your headline is though. It does look amazing. Your hairline looks fantastic.

But, oh, man, I need to lose some weight. Oh, did I tell you this? Oh, God, if I've been a punching over. My God, Stephen. You couldn't say something. I'm getting a haircut tomorrow. I look terrible. If my wife was here, she'd be holding her shoulders back. Like, hold your shoulders back. You want to hear something funny? Yeah. Is I'm supposed to be going on fresh and fit.

Oh, yeah, you told me that. Tomorrow, right? No, no, no, no. This is like the 22nd. I'm sure they record. I'm sure they record them and put them out. But like I've talked to them or their business, their producer, whatever, back and forth on the email and you know and here's the thing like i'm flying in there and then i'm flying to Dallas because i have a um uh like a speaking not speaking thing but i have like a a shoot that i have to do and then i'm flying back like i'm like boom boom boom wow dude all over i feel like a big shot

you are a big shot god that's insane um but uh i still haven't got the address i mean i'll get the address but other than that it's confirmed though it's in miami right they said it was confirmed, bro. Like, I don't know. You know, it's... Yeah. No, no, it's in Miami. It's on Brickell. By the way, we haven't even talked about this yet. We haven't talked about this since you did it. You were... You did the longest podcast ever recorded on Lex Friedman's channel.

No, we did talk about it. Didn't we talk about it? Yeah, but that podcast never aired. Oh, you put it on Patreon. Yeah. That's how you get the Patreon people. That's right. Exclusive. We use Matt as a little carrot for their patrons. What a great fucking...

What a great day for you, man. The Patreon. That was pretty cool. Pretty cool. Yeah, anyways, I mean, patron, I'm sorry, the Lex Friedman thing. What is this? Trump shooter was, oh, yeah, dude, this is so, oh, yeah, so demolition ranch, these guys in Texas. He had the shirt.

Yeah, man, I know these guys, and I was just talking to him last week, and then I saw, I just saw today the dude was wearing a demolition ranch shirt. Yeah. And now this guy's getting a, I don't know if he's getting a lot of shit. I don't know. But, I mean, he said he's been getting a lot of, like, media questioning him about it. So what? So this is, he made a statement.

on them wearing his shirt. Let's see what he said. Horrible. Wow, the audio's terrible. Why is this so fucking bad? Jesus Christ. Hold on, Julian. His audience?

Oh. Julian Dory, finger on the pulse. Give us the update. Nobody's got more inside info on the Trump assassination than Julian motherfucking Dory. He's already done 100 podcasts on this thing. He's been up for three days straight. Just got off a live stream with Jim DeOrio Special Agent.

the most underrated podcaster on YouTube. Yes. Julian, what's happening? Are we on air? We're on air, baby. We're on air.

Holy shit, we're on air. We're doing it live. What's happening, dude? What's Jimmy D. say about this? Jimmy D. Just dropped balls of fiery flames for two hours on a podcast while I was in production hell.

So I'm going to listen to it back and see what you said, but it sounded really smart. Yeah. We were watching it. Has he lost weight? Oh, yeah. He's lost a lot of weight, dude.

He looks way thinner. He looks beautiful. Jim 2.0 is a real thing. He's a real thing. But, yeah, as far as what we're hearing, any inside info, so to speak, wink, wink that I have is not go to market. It's off the record stuff. But let's just say there are some very eye-opening mistakes that occurred behind the scenes.

and like I was saying on the live I did last night myself when I talked to all these different pipe hitters who were white pitters I love that fucking word I'm gonna start using that pipe hitters that's fucking such a good word once they'll Comstock like started using that like you know they were all saw it pipe hitters I'm like I'm gonna use fucking pipe hitters that can go two ways though

yeah unless he was cracking up the first time he used it on air and I had to turn to him and say that doesn't mean what you say it means but there are some eye-opening things, some serious concerns, definitely some security concerns moving forward that, you know, some of these guys, and I know Jim was really pounding the table on this, you know, that there may very well be some private security to help supplement what's going on here because, you know, just the lack of preparation and the perimeter that we saw was insane. But I had a really good call with Rema Adelaika today.

and who's 12-year Navy SEAL and all kinds of bad ass shit around the world. Yeah. And he has heard some things and seen some things that are really concerning. And, you know, I think everyone's on the same page. Yeah. They want to make sure there's no violence of any sort that occurs against either of these candidates or anyone associated with them for the next 100 days especially.

Yeah. So that we can just calm the fuck down as a country. Check out this hot take. We just had Kariaku piped in through Skype, and he was saying that if it was, he doesn't believe this was a deep state assassination attempt. He believed it was just a lone 20-year-old psycho. He was saying that if it was a deep state operation or any kind of government agency that was doing this, he said if they failed on the first attempt, they will not try again. They'll take their ball and go home just like the Bay of Pigs. I agree.

I think John's spot on about that. You had your shot, if that's the case, I don't know, but if that's the case, and that's what some people are saying, well, you had your shot and you missed. Because now everyone's awake to it. Everyone's like, oh, shit. Like, you know, the number of people who were inserting a quarter into the Alex Jones was right again, jar.

I mean, that's a big fucking jar right now. Yeah, it's a big fucking jar. critical of a lot of stuff Alex Jones does and says, but I'm one of these guys like, yo, when people are right, I'm going to shout that from the rooftops. And Alex Jones was absolutely 150% right on this issue. They're saying it for years.

They're going to come after the truck. They're going to trap. Take them out. Kill them. Deep state government's coming out from. And like globalists. Whether or not, you know, it was actually who he thinks it was,

that's up for debate. But nonetheless, You know, we watch the guy come legitimately at a minimum of two inches from being the next Franz Ferdinand. Yeah. Which, how about Eric Prince stealing my line? I love that, bro. I used your line three or four times during this podcast with Matt, but I accredited you every time. Oh, thank you, brother.

You're welcome. I appreciate that. I always credit your show, too. We love it. Anyone listening? Go watch the Julian Dory live stream that he did 35-minute. fucking rant, no camera switching, straight from the fucking top, right up the top of his head, no notes, just freestyled 38 minutes of fire on this whole thing. And it was beautiful.

It was gorgeous. And I mean, I don't think that I've heard a better take than from what you said. It seems like, it seems like everyone's watched your video and then just kind of like, went, you know, riffed off that and went from everything that, you know, all the thoughts that you had and all the perspectives that you had. You called all of your contacts, your military contacts, and your, you know, FBI people that you've had on your show and got all their opinions and condensed it into one very

unique perspective. And it was fucking great, dude. Yeah, I appreciate that a lot, man. Danny called me. I just called Matt Cox and said, hey, we got to go do a podcast. Because calling me and Matt just, me and Matt

just watch a, bunch of TikToks and then develop an opinion of that. I know more about this situation. Oh, God. All right, bro. Well, we're about to wrap up. My phone's on like 2%, but I'll hit you up in a little bit.

Later. I think I figured out the audio. Oh, we did? All right, here we go. Demolition Ranch guy responding to the shirt. Wow, 1.4 million views in four hours. Can't imagine. So, as a lot of

of you guys know and we were shocked and confused to find this out the shooter who tried to assassinate Trump was wearing merch from my channel wearing a demolition ranch t-shirt and that sucked to see that yeah that was that was rough so this this T-shirt, we also own a T-shirt company. Bunker. It's based out of this, my hometown right here. And my friends work there. And

we make these shirts. We print them here in Texas. And ship them all over the world. I've seen my shirts in every continent. I got a picture like two weeks ago of a guy wearing my shirt in Antarctica. And so we don't

vet the people who buy our shirts, obviously. It'd be impossible to. Just like Nike doesn't vet who buys their shoes. I wish I could. I would love to keep people like that from buying, wearing, being associated with that article of clothing. Like, I wish he couldn't get a shirt. But it happened.

And I think the difference in, you know, a gunman wearing a pair of Nike shoes and a gunman wearing my t-shirt is, this brand is much more personal to me than Nike is to its executives. And so to see my name next to the shooter's name, oh, it sucks. And I wish we could keep that from happening. So no matter what side you're on politically, none of us want violence.

This channel was never meant to incite violence or hate. It never has. It isn't, and it never will be a channel that does that. I don't want any violence or hate anywhere around me. I have a wife and little kids. I want them to be safe and secure forever. And the videos I put out, I want to make sure that is the same for everyone who watches my videos, that they aren't in any more danger because of my videos, of course.

And I know you guys know that. I have 11 million subscribers who have been watching me for over 10 years and know that I am not that kind of person. This is mostly for the people who are just tuning in to see if I am a guy that is trying to, make people do stuff like that. So I am not. Obviously, I don't have to explain that to you guys who know me, but I feel like I might need to say that for those who don't. It's crazy.

That's an unfortunate situation. The guy was just trying to look like a Trump supporter and wearing like an American shirt. There's probably guns on the shirt or whatever. He was trying to blend in. And unfortunately, he picked a fucking demolition ranch shirt. I don't think anyone blamed that guy. You can't blame him.

No, but it sucks for the guy, though. Well, because people are going to, but the people that are reaching out are just idiots. Of course. Yeah, the people are reaching out to them saying, yeah. People trying to make a story out of nothing. It's just, yeah, they're probably like mainstream news media type people trying to make a story out of this shit and get clicks. I forget. What was the guy, what was the chick's name that was on?

I forget the guy's name. He's got kind of a conservative show. And she goes on there and she's like, why do you think that some neo-Nazi or some, and subscribe to your channel. And he's like, are you joking? Like, what are you talking about? Like, you know what I'm saying? People are so out of touch, man.

Like, how does that have anything to do with me? So, it's crazy, man. Every, you know, the majority of, like, the mainstream media, the shit you see on television or the shit that you see being written about in, like, the mainstream publications, like New York Times and Washington Post or all this. These are all opinions and pieces that are written. by people who live in fucking New York and Los Angeles.

Right. That's the consensus of that. That's like you know what's happening when it's all coming from those places. And they think that their opinions are more important than the people living in the rural parts of America. Right.

Oh yeah, because just like they say, like all Trump supporters are stupid, stupid, poor, white people. Right. Exactly. Like, I mean, I have a college education. Right. And I think people are figuring that out too.

And like we were talking about earlier with the whole Civil War thing. Like California, like I think that guy made that video about Civil War and like California would be against Texas and they would cut off California. I don't know. I think California, I mean, it's obviously it's a blue state, but those are like condensed into like the cities of L.A. and San Francisco. From my experience, the majority of people that I know from California, they're like either right wing or they're like closet conservatives. There's a ton of closet conservatives. It's like that weird little bubble of L.A. where it's like you have to be liberal

to be able to fit into that industry and to keep your job and to keep getting work, you know? Well, you have to understand that he's basing it on the fact that like, hey, like the whole state, like the state, the government, the state government is at war. You know what I'm saying? So if you're a farmer in California, you're saying I disagree.

Well, that doesn't mean that the National Guard isn't going, the California National Guard isn't going to go to war. You know, they're saying that, hey, the people in charge of that state's national. The people in charge, the National Guard, yeah. Are going to go after. Like, that has nothing to do with, like, there's always going to be people. The population, yeah, it doesn't matter as much. Yeah, there's tons of people that are going to be, you know,

that are going to be caught within the state saying, I disagree with what Florida is doing, but I'm trapped within Florida and there's a civil war. Do I up my uproot my entire family and try and move to a blue state? state right now or just it's hunker down right so but that's what his if you watch that video goes it was it's it really you can watch it the way home i think it's like 45 minutes 30 minutes and you'd be super i think we actually you reached out to him i'm on your podcast i tried to reach out to this guy i'm gonna try to get him i'm gonna get him on here too we try to get tyler to him tyler can't get in touch really yeah and tyler's you know tenacious dude's a fucking ghost did you see by the way did

Did you see the video of fucking Jack Black? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I didn't, I, I, I, I, Jack Black was like saying, find a better shooter, don't miss next time. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I, like, I could barely hear what he was saying, but I read the comments,

uh, the comments that were basically, that's what he was saying. It was just like, you know, the, the, here's a problem when you surround yourself with yes men. You know, you start to think that everything you say is clever and funny and that everybody agrees with you.

Yeah. That's why these people, when they go on like, Fox News or CNN or they go to these panels and they start spouting their propaganda and when people push back they're like shocked. Of course they're shocked. I have a group of 20 people that I surround myself with that I talk to nearly every day and they tell me everything I say is wonderful.

They never push back. So the moment they are pushed back, they immediately typically crumble or they start going, you know, they get upset and they start calling people names or they you know, that's Jack Black. I'm sure he surrounds himself with a bunch of people that say he's just wonderful. Everything he says is hilarious

and they agree with everything he says and then he says it in the wrong form and it's like, oh, wow, that didn't that's not coming off well. Yeah. It was Kyle Glass, not Jack Black. Kyle is his partner and Tenacious D. Oh, okay.

Kyle is this guy. That's that guy. Yeah. Okay. Jack Black, wasn't Jack Black just recently at some like political convention? They hired him? They hired him at a...

He's super left. They hired him at like one of those, one of those conventions. And he was like, he got up basically talking about how great Biden was and how fucking Trump was Hitler. Yeah, these people say these things. Who's the other guy, De Niro? Oh, yeah. De Niro. De Niro.

What a meltdown that was. Like what a colossal fuck up. Like it's the same thing. You surrounded yourself with all these people that think you're wonderful. And then you say, hey, I'm going to go and I'm going to hold a press conference. And I'm going to do this and say this. And then it backfires on you. you know

oh this is this video is that what this is I don't know oh come on is it this thing what does he say turn the volume hit the little volume

button the bottom left of the screen there's only the city but the country and eventually he could destroy the world but we vowed we would not allow

terrorists I owe the city a lot you hear the people what are they saying that's why it's so weird that Donald Trump is just across the street

because he doesn't belong in my city I don't know where he belongs but he surely doesn't belong here we New Yorkers used to tolerate him when he was just another grubby real estate hustler masquerading as a big shot It's just it's just it's the same thing You know whenever most of these guys come up

Like they never have anything Of substance to say Right. It's always like he's Hitler He's a racist He's a clown He's a liar He's Give me some examples, bro

Yeah, well that's the thing It's like it's a weird psychological thing Where they can use Hollywood To propagandize politics Like if we can get a bunch of famous actors That make a lot of money And that everyone sees on movies all the time To say something

Then people are going to fall in line Because if these people think this Then we should think this Right But since when are When is the prerequisite it to be an actor to be a fucking thinker or to be like some political expert or like a your job is to form policy expert your job is pretend to be other people right that's exactly that's what their job is

exactly that's exactly what it is to pretend to be other people and trump is i mean his life has been like is he a textbook narcissist yes yeah but he's got some issues he's got a few issues He's got a few issues But he's been fucking buying and selling And building real estate his whole life Hotels, casinos Golf courses He I mean

Say what you want about the guy Or put whatever your politics are Like I think it's undeniable at this rate To say that the guy doesn't love America Oh no I like I have no doubt in my mind That he loves America There's no doubt in my mind Yeah

You know he's But you know, people, people don't like him. What's so, what I love is that when he goes out and he's like, it's funny when I was a Democrat, you people loved me. You know what I'm saying?

In New York, when he was a Democrat, for 40 years and he was donating to all the Democratic parties, they loved him. All the candidates loved them. And then he said, I think I'm going to run as a Republican. I feel like I have more those types of values.

suddenly he became the you know oh you're a bastard well when I was writing you those checks you didn't say that dude they got so many ways to try to assassinate him it's scary like there's the shootings like obviously being exposed in public areas

surrounded by buildings right that's number one number two is poisoning is he just fucking eating anything people are giving to him or are you like super paranoid now you gotta have the secret service that's gotta be the worst way to fucking die right in a fucking room where no one else is there.

You ate some pudding and you just fucking fell over. Where do you get pudding? The guy, listen, you could just poison McDonald's. He loves McDonald's. Right, right, right. You know? That's how I want to go out though,

eating like a couple of cheeseboers. Do you think he has a guy that has to taste test the food to make sure it's not poison? I need a secret service. Listen, you saw that tubby little chick that was in front of him. Yeah. She'll try.

She was cowering behind him. Yeah, she'll try something. If you said, hey, would you want to, you want to take, eat a quarter of my big Mac? Hey, lady. bite of this whopper. She's never seen a wopper that she didn't, she wasn't willing to try. Oh, God.

And then, you know, they got tons of other, like truck bombs, poisoning the food. There's so many other ways to kill the guy. Airplanes. CIA is synonymous, is fucking, is famous for assassining people in airplanes.

What about... I was going to say, I love... Like, is he getting on his fucking air? Like, like, the balls They circled Washington a couple times The balls

He's flying what At least two times a day I'll You know Granted he's flying on his own plane But like if I'm him And I'm flying twice a day Across the fucking country

I got my plane Surrounded by cameras I got security watching the cameras 24 seven Make sure no one approaches My goddamn plane You know like So everyone who gets on the plane

The fucking the whoever If they have I don't know if they have like a flight attendant on a private plane or like the pilots, like crazy screenings for those people every time they get on the plane to make sure there's no like suitcase bomb or anything like that. You still, you keep thinking. You have to understand all of that stuff means that the bomber or that the assassin is willing to die too. That's a huge. Yeah, true. I just there's not a lot of people are like, yeah, yeah.

Oh, what? Yeah, you're going to give me $100 million? Okay, give me the suitcase. Right. That's true. I'm going to be killed. Like, what do you mean? I don't care how much.

What do you give me? Yeah, yeah. It's... Surface to air missile. I mean... Blaming on Russia. I'm sure there's lots of ways to take them out. But once again, they'll probably take their ball and go home.

I mean, at this point, it's just probably... It's too late. He's too late. He's too far in. Let's just say, let's assume that this was some kind of a coordinated attempt to assassinate him. And they do take their ball and go home. There's still a lot of crazies out there.

Like some crazy might still just get them. I mean, I think the kid was just... It's a 20-year-old crazy. Yeah. But, you know, they're still, and either this, this has done one of two things. It's either for some of those people, it's either had them say, wow, look how close this guy got. I can do this. Or they've said, I'll never even get close enough in it. So, you know what I'm saying?

So some people it may have emboldened them and some people it may have said, oh, I'm not willing to be killed. Like, yeah, this kid, he had a perfect shot, couldn't do it, and ended up dead. No, not interested. So yeah, I think he probably, in November, he wins. You know, and that's it. He wins and Biden steps down. And the wars? Huh?

We end all the wars? Well, I think he probably stops fucking with Iran. He probably, where also are we? We got Iran. We got the Israel, Gaza. Israel, Gaza. I mean, that's already kind of, you know, on autopilot. He'll probably give him some money.

and then and then just put his support behind them and then as far as Ukraine is concerned I think he's probably going to have a very harsh talk with Putin and say hey you know look like you keep what you've got

turn around you got you know look let's I mean he's probably just kick the ball down the road like you're not doing anything on my watch or then we're just going to put a bunch of troops and then Putin will then we'll nuke you and he'll say right let's do it

Yeah. Let's go. And then Putin's going to go, fuck. Never mind. I'll just keep what I've got. And I'll, you know, and basically Trump kicks the ball down the line and hopes that he can fortify it over the next four years and hold what they've got. That's it. Like I think that's probably, because I don't see him going in and telling Putin to get all your shit and go home. And Putin being okay with that. But I think he says, hey, you keep what you've got. Like this isn't going to happen on my watch. And I'll throw all the American troops in there because fuck NATO. Yeah. And then Putin goes, fuck, okay. That's the best case scenario. That's really the best case scenario. Yeah. I mean, if anyone's got a better chance to solve this thing diplomatically, I think he's going to be incentivized to do that. And I think he probably can do it. Even though the funny thing is, even though Biden has made it abundantly clear, he doesn't mind getting into a war. Right. You know, he's just limited on what he's doing. It's very, it's very, you know, like, and it's, it's, it's, you know, like, and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's.

It's a very... Yeah, not only that, they're... He's actively avoiding that. Like, there was multiple peace talks early on in this whole war, where there was like, there was a victory Ukraine had over Russia early on an early battle where Russia was on their heels. And one of the top generals in the military was basically saying, like, now is the time to go to the negotiating table. We can actually negotiate a fucking ceasefire here and end this thing. And Biden's White House was like, fuck off.

No way. Yeah, that's a mistake. John Meersheimer talks about this endlessly. So I don't know, man, but I think if anyone's going to solve these world problems, I think me and you are going to do it right here in this podcast. So I need to get a hold of us and get us in Washington, get us in the White House. Two guys, that in about 3% of what's really happening. How long did we just do?

That was like three-hour podcast, man. I thought it was going to be an hour, but we went. It was a two and a half. Two and a half? That was close. Two and a half. That's great. Cool, man. Well, thanks for Matt.

That was, this was fun. Shout out to your YouTube channel. Oh yeah, yeah. I got a YouTube channel. Killing it. You're doing pretty good. You're blowing up, dude. It is doing pretty good.

You're doing how many podcasts a week now? Well, I mean, we're posting three, sometimes four. But you're recording how many? Four. That's nuts, dude. Sometimes more. You are a fucking machine. Listen, I had one today.

I had one today. I don't know. you know, the guy, and I've had a couple of these where like the person, you know, they're like, oh, like, you know, hold on, I'm gonna smoke a fucking fatty before I start. And, you know, I'm like, you know, because you're texting. Let's say

it's not in person, but let's say it's a remote. Well, sometimes they are in person. Like the guy gets stoned in the car and they show up and they sit down. And then it's like, like, I don't know why these guys think that's a good idea. I guess because they've never smoked, they never got,

you know, whatever, they've never smoked some dope, sat down, and then tried to tell their story, obviously. They're usually hanging out with their friends watching TV. Well, when you sit down and try and start thinking, you know, chronologically and telling your story, it breaks down. You realize right away, like, this is a bad idea, bro. Yeah.

Like, so they're not all Boziac. Like, Boziac will take, like, a ton of stuff, a ton of fucking drugs and be perfectly fine. Well, not the first podcast he didn't hear. I gave him two gummies and he was blasted. Oh, was he? Oh, I thought he did. He was fine. I thought he was kind of fine. you were like, oh, this guy's not going to be able to move.

Well, no, even you said after his first podcast, you're like, he was all over the fucking place. Yeah, he was. He was. But he was still semi-functioning. No, normal person wouldn't be able to tell. This guy's texting me, telling me, like, he's going to hold on, give me five minutes. I'm going to light up one real quick.

And I went, yo, bro, I said, that's probably not a good idea. I said I've had multiple people who have done that. You know, they've been doing this for a few years now. Like, it never works out. He's like, oh, I'm just fucking around. I'm not going to do that. Just give me five minutes. And then he gets on there.

We went an hour. And I'm going, hey, and here's the thing. Like, I saw your paperwork. So I've seen your paperwork. Like, I know what you're telling me is true that you did get this much time. All of these things did happen. You were charged with these crimes. I've read the, sorry, the articles.

And, but when I'm asking him questions, he's like, you know, he's like, yeah, but like, I got to be dressed like, like, like, I don't know what he said. seven eight times seven eight times seven eight times and i went i said oh i said like well like for what like like you know like a bunch of stuff like what you're like i don't know man like a lot of different things like i i anyway so so then and he just kept going and then there was another time where he was like oh i'm making this i was making this much money and i remember the article had said he had made several million dollars and i was like yeah so i was like so what kind of what do you spend that money on he's like um you know i

stop like you know we're like I mean I don't really know the bar is low huh and I'm like you don't you made five or six million dollars and you don't know what you spend any of it on did you buy cars like I don't I don't know I mean and I was like like I've read the articles like you know what saying it's like he was so fucked up that we've I kept thinking he'll get better I finally just said listen bro we got to stop I put it on pause I said listen I said how do you feel your doing right now. You said that. Yeah. I said, and he goes, and he goes, um, not good, man. Not good. I mean, he said, like, I, I, I, listen, I know you told me not to, but I got fucked up beforehand. I was super nervous, a lot of anxiety. I'm anxious. And I, um, uh, and I went, yeah, I said,

here's the problem. I'm asking you questions that you should know the answers to. And you're like, oh, I don't know. Like, you don't know. You don't know that when you were at the counter and you use of credit card and the guy said, I got to call the manager, whether or not he called the manager? Uh, yeah, bro, like, I can't remember. You can't remember whether you, this is a huge deal. Uh, and I go, I mean, bro, like, I'm sorry, but I said, I don't think you're bullshitting. I read everything.

I saw. I know what's, what's going on. I know you got to write. I know what happened. I said, but you got to do better, bro. And he goes, um, yeah, I, uh, and he just, next thing you know, he's see him moving, boom, he just disappeared. he disconnected.

Wow. So you're going to post it? No. Now people are going to want to watch it. No, it's horrible, bro. And the worst thing is, it would be different if I thought, you're fucking bullshit me. But he sent me all this stuff and I've read all the stuff.

And there were newspaper articles and he's in them. And there's, he sent me, like, he sent me like his paperwork from being arrested and what he was charged with in his indictment. Like, this is true. You just got so overwhelmingly fucked up and you were so anxious. you could not tell your story. Right. And so I texted and I said, hey, bro, I don't know what happened. I think you just disconnected.

I said, look, I get it. I said, do you want to reschedule this? He's like, bro, let me just think about this. Like, I don't know. I shouldn't have got fucked up. I'm so embarrassed. I'm so sorry. And he apologized and I get it.

But it was just like, you know, like these guys, they come on the, like I said, the bar is low. And this guy has an amazing story, by the way. Like, it's a dark with guys on my channel, love dark web fraud kind of story. Oh, man, guys. Do you think you're ever going to venture out of true crime and cover some more stuff? You know, I did once or twice.

I've done some like UFO stuff, right? And like a few of them did really well. Like, one of my top ten videos is probably like a UFO video. Yeah. But then I did a few more and then they start very quickly they start dropping. They don't get a lot of views. And then, you know, every time I venture out, like I'll, venture out every once while some guys got a crime story like it's almost like he's

trying to work in his crime story like i i you know like he did six months or what else are you interested besides true crime stories i just like what do you what do you like what other kind of what other type of stuff are you like interested in talking about or um you love talking about we've done a bunch of china podcasts and i feel like i'm over china yeah yeah and i feel like i'm over china And I just don't, you know, if luckily I typically have a little bit more knowledge than the person I'm talking to. So you can semi sound like you know what you're talking about. But and the problem with China too is that like there's so many things going wrong right now. You know what I'm just getting worse and worse.

Like I'm just interested in like it's such an interesting time to be alive right now. It really is. And you know, here's maybe it's not even that interesting, Danny. Maybe it's just that the access to the information is so overwhelming at this point. Like, it was probably always this interested, interesting back in the 70s and 80s and the 90s when I grew up. They just the... There's no internet. There was no internet.

So I don't have a clue what's going on three states away. Now it's just you wake up, you fucking grab your phone, and you're instantly drowning in information. It's insane, dude. I'm also super interested in like this whole how like the in Japan, you know, that there's just tons of just abandoned houses and, and their, like, their working class is disappearing and all these people are old. Like, there's nobody to replace these jobs. And that's happening everywhere.

That's happening here too. It's happening here. It's happening here. So I'm like, neo-futalism, dude. It's insane. Like, what's going to happen? Like, what's going to happen?

What's going to happen when there's not enough people in Japan to pay into their social security style system to pay the people that are retired? Like, what's going to happen when? Yeah. Same thing with here. like what happens when there's not enough people to pay in to support the people that have been paying in? Right.

I mean, you know, they're like, oh, it's going to collapse. Like, they're not going to let it collapse. But they basically just sent enough money to Ukraine that you could have fixed it. Right. So I know they'll fix it, but it's like how. And, you know, so those things worry me, but unfortunately I'm not smart enough to come up with a solution or habits. You don't give yourself enough credit, bro. You're super smart.

Everyone I talk to, they brag about how smart you are. I'm just because I'm a con man They just don't know They don't know I'm fooling them No you're smart Like what's gonna happen Yeah I don't know

And also do you see that they're talking about There's like reports of the military times Talking about like bringing back the draft And there's lots of countries Like France and Germany they're talking about bringing back the draft Nobody wants to be in the military anymore They're protesting I think it's getting so bad They're protesting about it

They're like seriously contemplating bringing back the draft But there are other countries where you have to You have to go in for two years or four years or six. You have to. And here we're, listen, people, when my mother would tell stories, this is during World War II. She was a little kid in World War II, like six, seven, eight years old. She remembers when they put out flyers and the newspaper came out. And they said, listen, any extra pans that you have, they're going around.

And this is in like government. They had a guy, they had guys in a little outfit. It's the government, but they'll get like a truck. Right. We're bringing a truck around through all the city neighborhoods in these blocks, in this area for the next week. If you have extra pots and pans, bring them outside and give them to us. They're building liberty ships out of them. Could you imagine if right now they said, hey, we're going through your neighborhood.

If you have extra metal pans, donate them. We're not buying them. You're giving them for the war effort. And you know what? they had so many of them they didn't know what to do with. If they did that now, nobody'd give anything.

Hell no. They'd be like, oh, fuck you. It's like, you don't realize how good you have it. They didn't have it one tenth as good

as we have it now and they're giving everything they can. We got four pans, but we could live off of one. I got three kids to feed and I got one pan. Fuck it.

Give the other three pans. I want to help build a ship to help defeat Nazi Germany. And now, people wouldn't they wouldn't donate a dollar no you know it's so so sad and they won't here's the real problem is like with the u.s like i don't think you'll i think the real problem is and this is what really sucks is that the u.s is so isolated we'll never be invaded does that make sense yeah we're surrounded by two oceans right like we've got the best you know we've got the best geographical setup right

So we're always going to be in a great position. The problem is economically we may be devastated. And that's what China and Russia and everybody's working on, right? Absolutely. But like in Europe, they've been invaded so many times. At least they have that fear. You know? And so just like that, I forget his name. He's a British politician where he's like other countries aren't, they're not teaching their children to hate their country.

You know, like they're not, in Russia, they're not preaching. to hate Russia and hate the government of Russia and the country of Russia. Like in the United States, you're being raised to hate your own country. Yeah. So I just think that it's just so sad when I see these things. It goes to what Bustamante has said on this podcast many times is we need an enemy to be able to unite. It's like the 9-11 thing. It's like that 9-11 showed us, you know, a real existential threat.

and people banded together like no other after 9-11. And we haven't had anything like that. We don't really have an enemy, so we fight ourselves. Those countries over there in Europe, they've been through so much hell in the last 100 years that it's like, I mean, even if you're, even if you're like in your teens, there's like you have your relatives telling you about it. You have the epigenetic fucking fear built into you of what's been happening in that part of the world. You're surrounded by other countries and other foreign governments and militaries all the time. And you see these atrocities every decade or so. There's some atrocity where one country's invading another one.

And then they're wiping out an entire race or trying to. And you're like, you know, like the Serbs, you know, when they invade, you know, Croatia and the Serbs. And then they're going around with hit squads. Like, you know, it's possible. It's happening a couple hundred miles or, you know, kilometers away or whatever you say, whatever they are. I forget what the system is. But kilometers, yeah, it's not far away.

Like, oh my God, that's only two countries away. Like, that's a five-hour drive, and I could be there. And right now they're, they've got hit squads going around killing Croatians. Like, but it's, we're so far removed that we just think that could never happen. So the idea of saying, hey, there's a draft and people freak it out like, you can't make me this. You can't like, I'm not doing that. Like, bro, what are you going to do if they show up on our borders? The problem is they're not going to show up on our borders.

And the problem. Yeah, that's the problem. And if there was a draft, like the problem is people are waking up now to how much bullshit is wrapped up in these wars and how it's just fueling this military industrial compactplex and growing. It's just a mechanism to grow our GDP and dominate the rest of the world and install democracies in the rest of the world. Like, we can't just worry about ourselves. Did you see? So why would you want to be drafted into this fuckery? I mean, I hear you.

What are you fighting for? You're fighting for some billionaires, like, and you're fighting for this fucking fake democracy of people running, running this fucking brain dead puppet that we don't know who the hell's running it, but they obviously,

their moral standards aren't what they used to be in this country as far as leadership goes. Did you see this? Did you ever watch the series fall out? No. Oh, my God. Stephen? Oh, fuck yes.

I heard it was great, though. Right. It's so... You know what? I think you told me about this before. I meant to watch it and I just did it. It is. It's... It's so...

I feel so... It sucks. I don't get to spend as much time watching good shows anymore. What's great is that it's everything you just said. It's like capitalism and the industrial complex gone wild. Like in the 50s, like what if it didn't taper off? You know? Instead, it goes wild.

And then it gets to such a point where they start a nuclear war. Right. they built these bunkers. And we can survive the war. I mean, it's insanity. Right. But the problem is the bunkers, it's going to be all the billionaires and the fucking joint chiefs of staff and all the politicians flying around in their jet with their

fucking pocketbooks full of all this lobbying money. And while us, the working class blue-collar podcasters like us, we don't make it. We don't make it. Blue-collar. He just said blue-collared podcasters. not you man you just went up at the tax bracket i know what's going on with you matt you're not classified as blue collar anymore but anyways thanks again this was a great podcast you got to watch these these i know i don't have time man i'm raising two kids i got fucking i don't have the luxury

of time that you and julian have your wife is raising those kids to study all this shit and spend all this time my wife's raising the kids yeah she has raising the kids but i got i'm busy too man I do a lot of shit with my kids. I'm not a fucking absent father. When are you going to cut up that sizzle reel? We just got done filming it, Matt. Give us a break. He has to pace himself for a week.

Yeah. I need a week-long breather. We film for 45 minutes. We have to hire an editor. So if you're an editor out there and you're watching this, we are now hiring an editor to cut up a sizzle reel for one of Matt's books that we're turning into a pit. for a television series or a documentary.

Whatever. Either way. Hit us up. A series. No, not a series. Maybe it might be a four-part deal. More like a doc. More like a doc series.

Like a limited doc series. Yeah. All based on the story of you meeting Ephraim Deverelli from War Dogs in prison and his scam against Warner Brothers to basically sue them into oblivion, just conning you into writing the book. The lawsuit, the whole thing. Super good. We've been filming it for the last few months.

We interviewed Deverelliole. We interviewed Pete Rossini. We interviewed FBI agent Jim DiOrio. We interviewed you. Yeah. Who else? Packhouse. Yeah, I already mentioned Packhouse, did I?

Oh, okay. Yeah, he was one of the first ones. I thought you said Devereoli. Oh, no, no, no, yeah. We didn't interview Devereoli. We interviewed Packhouse. Yeah. But yeah, we want to put together a sizzle reel.

It should be super cool. But we did a talented, talented. Talented editor to help us out. Yeah. For what do you need, three, five minutes? Five minutes? Five minutes. Sizzle.

Five minute. Yep. Could be banging. And I've actually already written out a semi, you know, sizzle. So kind of a loose leaf, kind of like how I thought it should go. How we can edit it and draw it out. Yeah, but, you know, whatever it comes up, whatever somebody comes up with something better. I mean, I'm a novice.

I don't really know what I'm doing as far as a sizzle is concerned. But yeah, but we've definitely got the footage. Beautiful. Thank God, Stephen was here to shoot it. Yep, Stephen did most of the work. Stephen set it all up. Steve was a cinematographer. and Danny drove us to Miami

I just was the driver pretty much Yeah All right Tell everyone where they can find your YouTube channel Follow your podcast all that stuff Let's wrap it up I gotta get the fuck out of here It's almost 9 o'clock

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