Danny Jones Podcast - #277 - Brain Surgeon vs Pharma Lobbyist: Psyops, Censorship & Globalism | Jack Kruse, Calley Means & Mary Bowden

Episode Date: December 26, 2024

Watch this episode uncensored & ad-free on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Calley Means is a former food lobbyist, Dr. Jack Kruse is a neurosurgeon & Dr. Mary Bowden is a board certified otolaryngologist specializing in respiratory illness.  SPONSORS https://bit.ly/viiadannyjones - Try VIIA & use code DANNY https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS Mary Bowden: https://x.com/MdBreathe Calley Means: https://x.com/calleymeans Jack Kruse: https://x.com/DrJackKruse FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00:00 - Public health crisis 00:09:59 - Calling for a ban on pharma products 00:21:53 - Jack's medical freedom law 00:30:31 - Calley Means work history 00:46:14 - Food vs Pharma 00:49:35 - Mary Bowden's medical background 00:59:20 - Jack's experience with ICU patients 01:00:28 - Jack on Calley's mom & pancreatic cancer 01:11:29 - Missing death certificate 01:17:47 - Bobby Kennedy & his threat to biotechnology 01:25:26 - Hidden Agendas 01:29:32 - Censorship 01:31:46 - Council of Foreign Relations 01:33:41 - MK-ULTRA 01:36:25 - World Economic Forum 01:44:50 - Jack's problem w/ Joe Rogan, Andrew Huberman & Tucker Carlson 01:47:40 - Trump, Kennedy & the health state of emergency 01:52:23 - Why Jack no longer supports RFK Jr. 01:59:28 - Health propaganda 02:03:16 - How Jack would reform health in the US 02:19:55 - Calley's link to Trump & Kennedy 02:22:22 - Lobbyists are already subverting RFK Jr. 02:29:23 - Calley's personal opinion on mandates 02:40:51 - Strategy for making change 02:53:54 - Jacks problem with Calley 02:59:46 - DNA plasmids & SV40 promoter 03:03:46 - Calley's commitment Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Non-native EMFs, baby. Okay. Wow. All right. Are we rolling? All right, everybody. Thank you for coming. I'm glad we were able to make this happen, Jack.

Welcome back. Thank you. Mary, nice to meet you. Callie, nice to meet you. Good to see you. So we wanted to make this happen. Jack, you were here about two weeks ago. Two months ago.

Yeah, that's what I meant to say. Two months ago. And ever since then, and I think even before then, you have been fired up to say the least about Callie and his sister Casey and some of the messaging that they are pushing on various podcasts and social media. They are talking a lot about the hyper-processed foods and pharma. And you've been questioning, I think, a lot to do with like their background, where they come from and their messaging in particular.

And Callie, I think that you feel that some of the subject saying is, untrue and in bad faith. Essentially, you hit me up about two weeks ago saying you'd be more than willing. Like a month ago. Like a month ago. Yeah. You contacted me and said, I'll come to a podcast with Jack. Let's try to get in the room and try to hash your stuff out in real time.

Well, to be honest, initially what I saw is the discussions you were having about ultra-processed food, not being part of the solution in light, which I think is a very important part and it was more of a scientific thing. So that's when I initially, about a month ago. I mean, there's definitely been, frankly, more. personal things, which we can talk about as much we want. I think the science part is interesting too, but I hit you up before seeing a lot of the personal attacks, still wanted to do this. I mean, I think a lot of people are skeptical. This was your idea. Yeah, well, to engage on the, and I've

been chatting with Mary about, you know, various things in good faith, I think. And, but, but yes, their personal attacks are what it is. We can talk about that as much as you want, but, I don't think they're personal attacks. Okay. Okay. But, but, um, I think there's a massive moment in country right now where I think we probably all agree that there's a historic opportunity to maybe reset the agenda on health. I think there's great opportunity. I think that's part of the problem. Yeah, I think there's great opportunity and great, uh, there's a lot of cynicism. Yeah, there's opportunity, but I don't think, I don't think the opportunity is being taken to the forefront by you or your sister, by pushing the food issue. The big opportunity right now,

why people are dying is SV40. Is the jazz? And to cut straight to the chase, you and your sister wrote the book. Tell us why the word vaccine doesn't show up one time in the book. Okay. So let's back up. There's an opportunity in this country right now, in my opinion, to talk about the holistic poisoning of the American people. Okay, but we just came off of the biggest public health crisis.

Let me answer the question. We have to let each other. We have to let each other talk. and breathe. It's hard to do with four people. So we're just going to make sure that we give everyone a chance to speak and then we take our turns and try not to talk over each other because it makes it unlistable for people that are listening. So I'm going to tell you what my story is and how I see this opportunity and what I've been doing. And you guys can tell me if you disagree or agree and we can go from there if that works. Okay. So my mom as you know died. You've been talking about my mom.

And I believe that she is a product of what's happening in general to Americans, to the average American, which is we have a holistic set of hijacking of our cells of mitochondria. And in our book, we talk a lot about over pharmaceuticals and the corruption of the pharmaceutical industry. And I think the mandates and vaccines and what happened during COVID, as I've said for years, is one of the greatest scandals in American history. I think COVID was the single worst public policy mistake of my lifetime. And that includes the mandates on the vaccines. That includes the lockdowns. It's set a generation of kids back. It's absolutely a war crime.

And I think we're going to be dealing with that for a generation and steel unpacking it. And there was a wild report that came out just a couple days ago. I think my mom and kids in the average American, I think their circadian rhythm is being hijacked. I think light is a huge issue. It's something that we talked about in the book an entire chapter. I think, Jack, your insights on that are extraordinary and mind-bending. And I think it's obvious that what's happening to our circadian rhythm is dramatically impacting our hormones. I mean, I was just with a friend who's raising chickens, and in order to have them laid two times more eggs, they just turn the lights on.

And we're doing crazy stuff to humans, and obviously that's messing with our hormones to a significant degree. I think that sedentary lifestyle and the fact that a child in a school gets less time outside and less time active than a maximum security prism is a huge issue. And we think food's a big issue. I mean, I think in ways we don't even understand about the toxins and the science experiments happening with our food. And I think all those things came together for my mom and they're coming together for a lot of different Americans. and the book was about this multifaceted threats the American people are facing. And because of the pharmaceutical industry, I think corruption, that profits from sick kids, that basically is incentivized for a child to get sick very young to poison those kids.

I think that's what the incentives in this country are. It's super dark. And, you know, that message that, you know, came together for my sister after leaving the medical system, inspired me a lot, you know, that came together after my mom's death, is why we wrote that book. And just to get into what, you know, you've been saying, Jack, I started talking about that a couple years ago. And Tucker Carlson's producer DM me on Twitter about two years ago. I went on his show on Fox. My sister's been doing podcasts for years.

And then I went and chatted more and more about this and started unpacking this issue. a multi-faceted attack on ourselves from the incentives over medical system. And you guys talk about jumping on the scene or whatever. My sister and I went on to Tucker Carlson's podcast a while back. It was the most shared podcast of the year. And we wrote a book that has sold a lot. And we have been, I've been working to get this message out. and I think that Bobby Kennedy being on the national stage is a miracle.

And I think that President Trump talking about these issues at a high level is a miracle. And I think it's bipartisan because a lot of these issues used to be talked about on the left. So I think that's a great thing. And that's where I come at it from. So I think the stack ranking, you know, Mary, I'll turn to you. But like, I think my story on you is that you've seen a lot of pain and a lot of really bad situations and harrowing patient stories. I mean, we are coming off of the biggest public health crisis in our lifetime. And, you know, while I completely agree with your message, I mean, our food supply is, has a lot to be desired.

It is, it's an insidious health problem. It's poisoning our kids. I completely agree with that. But the COVID shots are a more immediate and dangerous threat to our population. Children are still getting the shot today. All babies. Wait. All babies.

All babies. This is our own government. It are recommended to get three MRI shots. and this is synthetic, modified MRI shots by the time they're nine months old. Right. And we know,

and we know that we have an abundance of data. We have over 3,400 peer review published studies showing adverse reactions. We know that in young people, the increased risk of myocarditis is at least four

times. This is an immediate threat and these COVID shots should have pulled off the market a long time ago. And my feeling is if you have a large microphone and you are in the public health space, that you are ethically obligated to speak out about this issue. And I understand that this is not your issue. And we've talked about this.

Yeah. I mean, the trans problem is not my issue. But I authentically feel that this gender modification in children is wrong. So I do speak out about it. I authentically feel that in any way pushing COVID jabs, particularly on kids, is an absolute war crime. And I've been saying that. Do you feel like the COVID shots should be pulled off the market?

So that is not a policy stance that I'm going to say. It's not a policy stance. Are you giving your children? Hold on. Hold on. Are you giving your children a shot? Hold on. Are you going to give your child? No.

No. And why not? I think that that makes no sense. Why? Because do you have reluctance about their safety? Hold on. All right. Hold on.

Can I respond to this? Yeah. So this issue of over prescribing medications for kids, the vaccine schedule of kids specific. Let's talk about COVID-Chalk. Hold on. You seem to be drawing a line of whether I'm calling for an immediate ban as a policy platform versus what I'm saying. Or personally, just personally. Can you say personally? Personally, personally, I think it's an absolute travesty how we've been misled, how these were fast-tracked. Personally, do you feel like the COVID shot should be pulled off the market? Yes or no? I'll give you my personal opinion.

I think there should be absolutely no mandates. So, yes. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. I think that we have an opportunity in the next year to truly reset science. This is what I feel. And we have an opportunity to have Jay Batesharya, who's a close friend, who I, you know, strongly pushed to be at the NIH, to call.

call everyone together, review the science, have truth and reconciliation, bring that out to people, and have a process for that. So, I think it's a general. So, Jack. So the answer is no. The answer is no. That is a policy position that I'm calling for the COVID shots to be immediately pulled from the market.

No, you're not answering the question. You're doing exactly what your training has told you to do. Hold on, hold on, Jack. That's stories that we're sitting here. Jack, Jack. I am saying that as a policy position, I think that we're, We should have absolute data transparency, no mandates. We have too much data.

Jack, Jack, Jackie, Jackie just had Kevin McKearinen on the Jack podcast. Let me talk. Jack. You let me talk now. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. You let me talk. Let me ask you a question.

Let me ask you a question. And this is not like a debate. I don't see this as a debate. I actually legitimately. I don't think it's a debate either. Jack, why are you so angry? Because I don't trust you. Okay.

I think you're full of shit. And Mary just uncovered why you're full of shit. Because you can't say yes or no. Let me just tell you some, Callie. When you say to the American public that my children can't have the shot, so we can't say anything for anybody else, to me, that's in Congress. So you would argue that Trump and Biden should come out, Trump and RFG should come out with an immediate ban of the COVID shot today. Absolutely. It should have been a long time again.

My point. Is that your recommendation? It should have happened with Operation Warped speed. It should have happened in the first month. Correct. I think as a policy. process, we need it, we need to have truth and reconciliation and data. Let's talk about the policy

process of the swine flu when we had 70 vaccine injured kids and we pulled it off the market. Hold on, hold on. What is the debate? I'm saying there should be an immediate review of the data. That's not the answer. I'm giving my answer, Jack. That's not the answer.

I'm giving my answer. I'm giving my answer. And then I sincerely want to hear from you if you are giving a presentation to the administration what your detailed argument would be to pull the shots universally today. And that's not like a debate.

I actually want to understand what. My answer right now is that the mandates, especially for kids, the mandates in general, are an absolute crime. The way science has been hidden on this as a crime, the way they've been fast-tracked and pushed as a crime, the way they have been covering

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Jack, what's your animosity? No, no, no, no, no. Let's go. Jack, what's with the animosity? Dude, I told you already. I don't trust you worth a damn. Okay.

Why? Well, hold on. Do you know how many people died the first month? No. 700. And that's that we're reported. So it's 10x compared to the swine flu that was pulled in 76. Jack, what would be your argument if you're talking theoretically to a leader who's making this

decision? I just gave it to you. What would the... A ten exchange. Walk the listeners through, like for the immediate... I don't want to walk the listeners through. I want to walk you through. Jack, I'm not making these decisions.

Like... I got news for you. I got news for you. The way you sold yourself to the people in D.C. would say otherwise. You have the ear of Kennedy. I got news for you. I happen to know that's true.

Okay. So I think you might be getting bad information. I don't think so. I think you are. But what is the argument? This isn't the debate. Like we should get this out. Like, like, we would if you just said yes, but we're not.

That I want to immediately ban the shots? Correct. That's the answer. I don't think that's not the policy of RFK. That's not the policy of Trump. RFK, so RFK doesn't want to pull the COVID shots. No, he's not calling to immediately pull it. He's calling for utter truth.

Jay Bott is chari is calling for utter truth. That is what I think we have an opportunity. do. I am, I'm not calling the shots in any way, shape, or form, but I am very passionate, Jack, about transformational change right now and coming up with recommendations for true transformational change. I think the way to change the paradigm on this stuff is, to be frank, absolutely not coming out with immediate bans on things like this. So, hold on. I think it is, I think it is having a national conversation and a reset of science and having a full truth and unbiased science. We all know, we both know, that the truth right now is that they're not

asking these questions and there's huge cover-up of getting the right information and getting the right data. We all know that. We all know that they've already made recommendations to the American people for kids and that there's huge institutional pressure to have any data that second-guesses the guidance that they've already given to people's children. Imagine, I see it, right? I know about this from my experience, Jack. There's incredible institutional pressure to have anyone look. Well, imagine the liability of that. Imagine the liability if the data you're saying, talking about actually comes out. So that's what we're, hold on. That's what we're, that's what we're, that's what this is infuriating. I think the data's been sitting there for years now. We'll walk us through it.

Hold on a second. I think the obvious biggest problem with this is that nobody can be informed on the truth about it because I can have somebody in here like Kevin McKearinen, who's in. an expert in this stuff and then YouTube will pull the thing off of the internet. Which has happened. Which just happened. So there's no transparency on one side. Anybody who questions these products on the internet gets completely silenced. I think that is the number one issue with it.

We're not going out and banning fruit loops. Everybody knows fruit loops are bad for you. Everybody knows smoking new ports are bad for you. And you have a choice. You have a choice to do it and a choice not to do it. And I want to say something about RFK because, you know, Yeah, we have been fighting so hard the last four years to get this information out to the public. Kennedy was our big hope.

Kennedy was finally. He was the one that's going to get in a position of power. And even if he didn't win the presidency, he has this gigantic microphone. And then all of a sudden, his message shifts, his focus shifts. He's our nuclear bomb. We're in World War III. He's going to take down Japan. And all of a sudden, the nuclear bomb, the target has shifted to food.

Right, Nicole came on and talked a lot about food. Let me finish. And this coincided with this meteoric rise with Casey and Callie Means, who none of us had seen. I am curious and don't answer yet because I want to keep talking. But I am curious about what you were doing during the pandemic. But while we're not sure, but you came on and great, we love your message. And I have told you this. We want you to join forces with us.

But, and I don't, you know, you say it's a purity test. I, it's an ethical test. I mean, you have this gigantic microphone and you have the ability. I mean, you have the ear of Trump and Kennedy. And I'm also very curious about that. I wouldn't say that. You are the one that called, that orchestrated the call between Kennedy and Trump. And Kennedy says this.

He's, yeah, this is in his speech that you orchestrated the call between Kennedy and Trump to have Kennedy drop out of the race and endorse Trump. And that is very, you know, how did that happen? Very curious. So, you know, Kennedy's focus has shifted, and that's our big concern. And it coincides with your rise. I mean, six months ago, I looked this up. You had about 19,000 followers on Twitter six months ago. Now you have 230-something thousand. It's amazing. Good for you because you have figured out how to get that information that you want to get that out. And that is commendable. And that's what we all want. We want our message to get out. We just can't, we can't get it out. And so maybe you could tell

us your secrets. How to do that. But high level, do we not feel optimistic about the moment that we're in for true transcript? No more. Why don't you feel optimistic? I don't think Bobby is who I thought he was. Why? Just the things that have developed over the last probably four to six weeks. I mean, he seems to be completely unaware before him and his sister on the scene about the constitutional amendment that I wrote for Bucheli. Everything was in this law to wipe the slate clean completely. And Bobby calls me up and says, I don't think even Ron DeSantis could pass this law. And this is when Ron DeSantis was in the race with Trump before Susie Wiles did her magic. For people who are listening who aren't familiar with that law, can you explain it

for us? Yeah. I mean, I went to move to El Salvador four years ago and literally Bitcoin gets announced his legal tender and COVID happens and Buceli is not, you know, a scientist. Everybody knows that. But he listened to the people in his health ministry. who were forerunners tied to World Economic Forum, WHO, FTA, you know, all the same people that Fauci lived to. And he went along, signed the contract with Pfizer and started inject people. And he started to see immediate problems in his country. So he went on Twitter and he said, who's this crazy neurosurgeon that keeps saying all these bad things, but no one's shutting him up.

How'd that happen? It's one of my patients as Jack Dorsey, who owned Twitter at the time. So there was no chance I was going to get silenced. So what happens? They bring me back into a place to meet the president. And I give them a talk. That's Chatham Rules, 20 things that we need to do right now. People in his administration pat me after the talk, and they said, look, these ideas are pretty,

good, would you be willing to meet with the president the next 24 to 48 hours? So I went and met the president in the basement. And I told him the story about Benjamin Rush. And I told him exactly what Benjamin Rush, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison talked about. That we should have a medical freedom law in the Constitution. But because the two founders went back and could not find 5,000 years any civilization where this was the attack vector for, government, they decided not to put it in. Everything was good until 1982 when Reagan put Fauci in. And that's when everything went wrong. In 1986 is when 80 is the, why are you not optimistic? Well, I'm getting there. Part of the reason is because you can't answer the question. Which question,

Jack? I'm trying to have a good dialogue here. I don't think you are. I don't think you're in good faith. Jack, I think many of the people, many of the people that were behind the pandemic are people that he's worked for in the past. That's the real issue for me. And I don't know. Like who? Just relax. You let me talk about. I do.

I want to have a good conversation. So the interesting part of this is when Bobby gets the law and he tells me what he tells me about the Sanis, I get a phone call. about four weeks later from him, and he goes, can we use four pages of the law in our platform? This is before Maa ever comes out. Then I get a phone call from Aaron Siri, his health care attorney, saying, we'd like to help you format the law to get in. I said, you don't have to worry about it. It's already a done deal in El Salvador. Then, this is before Nicole is actually topped to be the vice president.

she says, would you go and do a podcast with Bobby, but it's got to be in a place that it can't be canceled? Kind of like, you know, what you just face with Kevin. Right. So I called one of my other friends and patience up. Rick Rubin, famous music producer. I said, no one's canceling him. So Bobby sits down with me and we talk. And at that meeting, the most key thing happens.

Nicole gives me talking points that she wants me to discuss with Bobby and I refuse to do it. I go straight to the heart of the matter to something that Bobby knows about. Very few other people did. And that's the day that I dropped in his lap that Kevin McKeown and found SV40 in the Pfizer jab. And he never knew that prior to that. He knew exactly what it meant because of the book that he had written with Fauci from Fort Dietrich onward. But what this podcast became a big story about was Uncle Jack knew everything from Fort DeTree. Dietrich backwards.

The polio. And I knew something else to really catch Bobby off base is that when Jim Garrison talked to his father, we covered this in the other podcast, that Bobby Kennedy at eight years old was the one that answered the phone. There was no way for me to know that when David Ferry was killed. So what is that messaging, which is what you're getting to, the heart of the matter that he doesn't understand that this is proof positive. This is a bioweapons program that spans 75 years.

That alone should end everything that's going on with COVID. Why? SV40 is not on any of the FDA's paper. I don't need Jay Baticharia. I don't need Bobby Kennedy. I don't need Donald Trump. It's not in any of the regulations. And because it's not, it needs to end.

immediately. Not only is it grossly illegal, it's not ethical, and it's nefarious. And anybody who says otherwise automatically is looked at badly. And that's the real reason. I don't trust you. Are you aware? Because you cannot, you cannot answer Mary's question. Which is? Why are you still for the jobs? Jack, you can think whatever you want. I don't have to. You just said what you said to the people on this podcast.

Jack, Jack. It's a litmus test you don't want to take. Jack. I am, my mission on this earth is to subvert the evil, dark, broken incentives of our pharmaceutical industry and the incentives for the American people to be sick, which I think has super dark. I feel like we're listening to another ad. Hold on. Jack, Jack, what's with the anger? You don't know me.

Dude, I got news for you. I think I know you. I don't think you do. I think I do. Okay. We can talk about that. But do I think the COVID jab should be pulled immediately? I think that what happened with COVID is evil.

And I think it's horrible. I don't think you even know what happened. I don't. I don't know what you're saying. Right. Honestly, Jack. I don't. Right.

I think that what you're saying, I think that what you're saying and the thing. and the threads you are pulling should have maximum airtime should be absolutely seeing the sunlight and we should have absolute fearless discussion and truth. The funny thing is they are, and guess what? The jabs are still out there.

Guess why? Because you haven't convinced enough people. No, because the people that you work for and the people that are in Washington, D.C., are still in power. Well, Jack, we have, I think, an optimistic situation that's happened last month. I don't think it's as optimistic as,

is you think. I am really optimistic. I think it's optimistic for fruit loops, but not for the job. I think there's, well, I think there's a lot of, I think there's a lot of darkness. I think there's going to be a lot of subversion. I think progress is probably going to be more incremental than you and I want, but I think we are standing right now at a more optimistic time to get truth out and change some of these incentives than we ever have. And the truth is... You feel that way, Mary? No, uh, is there, I think I'm very curious what happened to you during the pandemic. Did you?

He was busy writing a book. Well, I mean, seriously, did you have what was the hardest thing? What was the hard? What's with your like, who do you think I worked for? I know, I know who you are. Go ahead. You're a globalist. Okay.

That's what you are. You want to give your, what do you mean specifically by that? Well, all you have to do is look at his LinkedIn page and then do a cursory. examination of his family history. But the big one that really concerns me is his past work history. That's one I haven't talked about on Twitter yet. That's the one I saved right here. Okay.

So Callie, when he left Stanford, went and did his Harvard MBA. And that's when he started to meet some other Harvard guys, took some jobs, and started working for companies that are tied to transhumanist technology, but the big one, which would that be? Bose Allen. That was, I interned there as a sophomore in college. It doesn't matter. There's a trend here, my friend.

Okay. The next one is before Harvard Business School. Let's talk about Daniel J. Edelman and Holdings. Yeah. Let's talk about that. That was before Harvard. Do you know who Daniel J. I do.

I do. Why don't you tell me about it? Why don't you tell the audience who Daniel was? Jack, I've done 200 podcasts. talking about, hold on, stop. Nobody gives a shit about your podcast right now. Let him explain. Jack, Jack, going to Stanford,

working at Edelman, working at Mercury Public Affairs, going to Harvard Business School, seeing inside the Council on Four Relations, these are foundational to who I am and what my story is. I agree with that. I agree with that. And seeing that darkness. Right. Those are all globalist.

Of course. Of course. Globalist, The latest Rockefeller founded. Hold on, hold on, Jack. NATO supporting. You haven't. You haven't. UN supporting.

Jack, Jack, you haven't read our books or listened to our podcast. Well, if you don't think that me and my sister eviscerate the book, a big portion of the book is explaining how the Rockefeller family is one of the most evil families in American history. Okay. My dad worked for the Ford Rockefeller administration for two years, 50 years ago. these Rockefeller connections and the Rockefeller money that we have, that's news to us. Okay? He worked for the Ford administration, and he was a mid-level assistant for

Nelson Rockefeller for Brie. Not David Rockefeller, who I don't even know that as, or you say a lot. That was 50 years ago. David Rockefeller founded the Council of Foreign Relations with which you remember. That's news to me. I've been to one Council for Relations meeting in my life. What is the Council of Far Relations? Then tell the audience, because I'm going to,

glad you said that. Why is it linked everywhere that your name is? Why do you always put it out there? And first of all, what is it? Well, hold on. Well, just to answer the question. Hold on. It's on your LinkedIn profile right now.

Yeah. The answer that is that I haven't updated my LinkedIn profile in a couple years. That's pretty convenient, don't you think? Considering where we're going with this? Because you still haven't answered the question about who Daniel J. Edelman is. Tell the audience who he is. He is the leader of the largest public relations and public affairs from in the world that I worked for 13 years ago. And what's the methodology that he describes in studies?

Jack, you're being very menacing. Let's have a, let's have a conversation. Your narratives are wrong. I'm just warming up, brother. Just try to let him talk. Let's have some love here. Not going to happen. What?

What? Like, I don't know who told you all this. this darkness. It's curious. I have security people that find lots of things out. Okay, well, I'm curious. I'm looking forward to hearing them. So Edelman, as we write about and talk to incessantly, and I'm happy to repeat for you, created a playbook to rig institutions of trust. They actually made a lot of their money with cigarette companies, and they helped bribe scientific organizations to say how cigarettes, you know, basically a question. They actually didn't even say they were healthy. The goal was to actually show how caused confusion. Okay. So throughout the 60s, 70s,

80s, they ran the playbook for the cigarette industry to basically rig institutions of trust, to pay off regulators, to have confusing information, to have doctors and advertisements. So this is a large public relation form that basically created that playbook. Now, a cigarette smoking declined, they took on other interests like food companies, oil companies, you know, other industries like that, and they used the exact same playbook. And they actually shifted their clients over from the cigarette industry to the food industry as the cigarette industry bought the food industry in the 1990s. And then those were clients that I had when I was there 12, 13 years ago. And as I talked about, I actually watched and helped, you know, steer money from the

American Beverage Association to civil rights groups and two academic groups and actually watched as food companies, you know, paid off and tried to confuse Americans with research, you know, such as we make a mockery of this, but such as, you know, crude oil food colorings being, you know, safe when they're basically faced out of other countries. So we, those were the projects I worked on. And then at the same time, Edelman represents the world economic form, you know, and goes to these fancy confabs and says how good they are and good people they are. How many times is David J. Edelman's son, Richard? David. David is dead.

Richard's the CEO, yeah. He goes every year. He goes every year. Edelman is deep. Can you tell the audience about his new wife? She's the former public relations person for the World Economic Forum. Interesting. And do you know that she's got a link to the current president of Mexico?

That supports NAFTA. that's also another Rockefeller issue? I think Callie's admitted all this stuff. The foundational, like the foundational attribute of my story, we all have passed. Nicole was married to Sergey Brenn. Like, here's the key. Hold on, hold on, Jack. Here's the key, though.

The Rockefellers are behind the jab and you won't take the litmus test. Hold on. Hold on. You can laugh all you want, dude. This is funny. Okay, so, so, so your, is Edelman and these, you know, kind of firms that I used to work for tied to a potentially very dark globalist regime? Correct. Yes.

That's the foundation of my story. I went to Harvard. I went to Stanford. I was two people tied to Arpanach. Go ahead. Keep going. Okay. So I went to Harvard, went to Stanford, have seen inside some of these circles still.

them involved in some of these circles and I am trying to talk about how even well-meaning people in some cases are part of terrible incentives that when it comes to the healthcare field are no matter what they say or what they even think in their head are part of darkness. What made you decide to go to sequential jobs

that actually sought out the darkness? Well, hold on. So I went to Stanford. I... Hardness. Harvard, darkness. Well, okay. Well, I'm being honest with you.

I think, I think, I think... Again, I'm not laughing. I'm being very serious here, why? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm not done talking, Callie. You're asking questions. Yeah, but I'm not asking you a question now. You just asked three questions, but go ahead.

What's your question? My question is this. Did you listen to the last podcast that I did with Danny? I've listened to a lot of your stuff and I listened to the one that I did with Danny specifically. I listened to almost all of it. Okay. So you know about the link to M.K. Ultra.

Did you know that Daniel Edelman was part of MK. Ultra? Did you know that? No. Well, he is. Steve, why don't you pull up his Wikipedia? And you'll notice that he was tied to psychological warfare. See that right there in World War II? Did you know that?

And do you know what the methodology for Edelman is, my friend? goes all the way back to the 1921 book written by Edward Bernays. Propaganda. Jack, I just described it. Well, but my question is, Callie, why do I keep finding your name and your dad's name and your sister's name tied to globalist people yet when this young lady over here asked you the question,

why are you failing the litmus test on jabs but not on frulebs? Can I, may I respond? Yes. Well, let me back up, Jack, because you might not know. Let me just give my story and where my heart is, and you can poke wherever you want. So that's not good? Let's do it. Okay.

My sister and I were raised in Washington, D.C. We have a wonderful parents. My dad worked as a, grew up in a trailer, worked as an economic advisor. I said, I had for Ford and Rockefeller and was a consultant in Washington, D.C. and my mom was the greatest woman we know. And for whatever reason, my sister and I were very concerned with going up the ladder and achieving good professional success in the traditional sense. So we worked hard.

We got into Stanford. I studied economics and political science. My sister studied biology. I was really into politics. So I went into campaigns right after school. And then inevitably, a lot of people go into public affairs, lobbying, consulting, things like that. So I did that. worked at two companies, Mercury, Public Affairs, and Edelman.

And as I've talked about a lot, I definitely saw some of these really dark arts of basically just confusing the American people about areas like food, areas like pharmaceutical products. And it was really, really dark. I didn't put all the pictures together. But those are the two companies I worked for. And I don't know about the Rockefeller ties, but these were two. I told you the Council of Foreign Affairs was started by David Rockefeller. Okay. So I worked at two prominent public affairs firms. Then I went to Harvard Business School and then I've been doing startups. My sister went to Stanford Medical School. She was, despite what you said, did very well, did residency, had what I would call spiritual awakening, probably similar to you in some ways, that this system is pretty dark and it profits from people being sick. And exploring that there's multidimensional poisoning of our mitochondria, including

circadian rhythm, food, things like that. But basically she didn't learn about these things. So she left in 2017, started impacting me. I was doing startups, other things, and kind of came together for me during COVID. So where was I during COVID? I was closing down my previous e-commerce company, living with my sister, thinking a lot about how dark and bad the public policy was around COVID and the lockdowns. my mom's experience, as we talked about, in January 2021, had a big impact on me.

I started speaking out, speaking out about the COVID vaccine and other issues in 2021, really coming on, thinking about this, saying how crazy it was to be mandating them. Hold on. And then, yes, help my sister write a book in 2021, 2022 started speaking more about this stuff. As far as a Rockefeller connection, that's news to me. and maybe they're so good that they're, you know, subconsciously. And so, who's the agent for your book? Inc. Well, publishing.

What's the agent's name? Richard Pine. You know where Richard Pine is linked to? Rockefeller Foundation. Callie, you just got finished eloquently stating that you're not part of that. Hold on, hold on. But guess what? Avery and Penguin have confirmed to me who you're,

agent is. And I've done some homework. Do you know, is it Richard? No, it was inkwell publishing. No, no, no, no, Richard. I'm going to tell you something, Calh. The more you talk, the bigger hole you're digging. And so, well, we're going to talk about your mother here very, very shortly, okay? Okay. Because that is the big impetus. Okay. For your book. So your, your mom, tell the audience where your mom lived. Tell your, where did your mom live? Hold on.

One second. I want to ask a question first. I want to ask, you mentioned there was a spiritual awakening your sister had. Well, yeah. What was the point for you? Was there a specific jump off point or spiritual awakening from you to step away from

lobbying? Wait, yeah, I'll get to that. So, Jack, I'll just kind of give, again,

where the heart is. we decided to write a book. In the middle of COVID. Yeah. What's wrong with that? That's kind of big. Considering the stuff that's been going on. Are you suggesting that we're part of some conspiracy where Rockefeller helped place the book and then a conspiracy to get a million people to buy the book?

I don't think I'm actually saying anything. I'm actually looking for answers from you because I don't think that you're being very transparent. You'll have to explain how. the conspiracy is that a lot of people have bought the book. You're the first time author, right? That's very unusual for a first time author. And you're not the first person to give this message.

I mean, this message has been going out for 50 years. You just managed to overcome what most people can't and get that message out to most of America, which is amazing. And I want to know how you did it. So we can do the same thing with the COVID shots. I mean, that's the answer. Are you suggesting like Edelman, the people I'm attacking in the book,

help with the book? I'm just trying to understand what the logic is. I actually think that your agent knew exactly how to sell this book. Why? Because it fits with their agenda 2030. That's exactly what what's in. What's a gender? Maybe you're being used and you don't know it. I might be. If this is a big conspiracy, Jack, then I don't think the word conspiracy has come up except out of your mouth. Well, well, saying that I actually think that the interesting part here is feigning ignorance and fraud So I'd like to know. Fainting ignorance about what? I believe you're feigning ignorance right now.

About what, Jack? I think fraud and ignorance are two words that are next to each other. Jack feigning ignorance about our agent being connected to the world economic form. I would like to know where your line between ignorance and fraud. Jack, lying. Jack, feigning ignorance about our agent being connected to world economic form. That's the ignorance. I kind of like to hear you say, what is your policy to write a food book during?

during COVID. It's not a food book. While you're... Jack, it's not a food book. It has two chapters on food. It has more... It's got recipes in the damn book. It's not a food book.

It's a book about the multi-dimensional threat. So now we're going to rewrite the history since I read the book. Jack, Jack. And to be fair, Cali does talk a lot about the pharmaceutical industry and pharmaceutical

drugs. Not so much about vaccines. Danny, let me give him... No, no. Let me give him two points. Because Mary said something earlier that And I do want to give agreement with Callie that most of the things that he's talked about on Rogan and on Tucker, I have zero problems with. Like his stance on food, his stance that he's turned against those dark forces, I am willing to concede 100%.

Okay. That is not what Jack is pissed off about. Okay? It's the transparency. He's a public relations guy, a lobbyist. What did they do? It's legalized lying. So I want to make sure he's not still lying because when we ask him the question that we ask him about the elephant in the room, which is the messenger RNA jab, you already had Kevin on here and you know the deal.

Right. You're not even a science guy. Right. Understood. There is a huge stigma and a huge group thing that is attached to the vaccine conversation because people know you get blasted off the internet. You get completely scrubbed if you talk about that and you make that your main talking point. So my question would be is there.

Which was not. Did I get blasted off the internet? You did not. You are a. Well, Jack, you are a unicorn. But Callie, is there? a strategic, is there a strategic reason that you may be? And it's, I can see a reasonable reason why you would choose not to attack the vaccines and try to go a different route and then come,

come later and like take it one piece at a time, piecemeal the problem. So no, that has not been a strategy. The strategy was that we wrote what was in our heart, like in this book, and that I am on a constant journey and learning. I, I have thought that vaccine mandates and the policy around COVID was really, really bad. And then we talked about COVID in the book. And we talked about that. I think there is Jack and Mary. I think there is a question of given this moment right now what the policy and what the strategy should be.

And I do strongly believe that we should start with transparency. That's my opinion. And you might think that's a kind of weasley way to get to the issue. and that it's such a crisis that we have to just bang the table right now on specific issues. I do strongly believe that from a public policy perspective, we should start with transparency, and that's a good place to start to bring the American people along. I know you think it's too – I get that. But – okay.

I'll explain what I'm actually thinking. But we have a huge problem with trust right now. I see it every day in my office. I have patients coming to me who say, who can I go see? I have people crying in my office on a regular basis. over what happened during COVID. I mean, that's not normal. E&Ts do not normally hand Kleenex to their patients.

Normally, we're treating ear infections, but I literally, several times a week, I have people crying in my office. I think the point, though, also needs to be made for the audience because you and I are the only doctors at the table. Yeah, we never actually, you're an E&T. You're an E&T. She normally doesn't get involved anywhere close to the vaccine issue.

And guess what? she is knee deep in this. Right. So, so Mary, I know we're like almost an hour into this podcast, but let's give you like a brief introduction like your background. Right. So I went to Stanford. I'm an E&T. And I kind of stumbled into COVID. I had patients coming to me because no one else would treat him. And I'm an expert in respiratory diseases. So it makes sense. And because I didn't shut my doors, people started coming to me. And initially I used, well, I tried hydroxychloroquine. but as soon as President Trump mentioned it as an option, it got shut down.

Literally, the Texas State Board of Pharmacy sent out a letter prohibiting us from prescribing it. So then I moved on to monoclonal antibodies, and those worked great. People turned around very quickly, and I get unlimited supply. Well, then the government shut that down, and that was right around. When Biden mandated the COVID shots, they shut down monoclonal antibodies. It was an orchestrated effort. And so I started using ivermectin, and I found that ivermectin, and I found that ivermectin worked i was a little nervous that it wouldn't because monoclonal antibodies

worked so well uh but what i did find i found it it worked and so i treated over 6 000 covid patients when you see that high volume i mean that's something i'll never again experience in my career i mean usually i see a a wide variety of issues as an e and t never had such a large volume of the same disease in such a short period of time and you become an expert in it and you know i started speaking out and of course I got I got ridiculed smeared canceled I'm still fighting for my medical license so I put everything on the line to tell the truth and I think that brings us to another point is that you know all these people all these doctors have really stuck their knucks out have suffered because of you know just telling the truth I mean just upholding the Hippocratic

oath are being completely ignored especially right now let's flip let's flip the switch though mary because I want you to talk about this. You and Casey have the exact same training. Right. She dropped out of her residency. Callie's sister. Right. And I reached out to her several times.

She dropped out of her residency. So she had no way to actually have her doors open to actually see the things that you saw. Right? And maybe, you know, I understand if you are not in my position, it is not as imperative to you as somebody who's seeing the same thing. over and over and over again, seeing people crying in your office over and over again. Do you think that may have something to do with why she wrote a book about food? Jack, it's not about food. Jack, Jack, Jack, hold on. I don't want to assume. I'm actually

talking to her and not you. Jack. I don't want to assume nefarious motives on her part. Are you? But I do find it, it's interesting. It's just, it's interesting. What's interesting? That, I mean, we've gone over this. A first-time author. That doesn't finish her residency. That doesn't have a medical license. She never finished her residency. I know, but that's part of the book.

I know, but that's... What does that matter if it's part of the book? But what's your point? Because she can't see patients. Have you ever read her levels, corporate agreement? You're talking to people about that that are mistaken. Actually, I read it. Yeah, yeah.

They don't sell. And guess what? Guess what? She can't see patients. Callie, do you know that she doesn't even have a medical license in the United States? Why are you? Like, do you know that? Yes.

Yes, she left the medical system, Jack. So that's interesting. So hold on. So do you know a guy named Tim Noakes? No. Tim Noakes is a doctor that faced a multimillion dollar lawsuit because patients thought he was practicing outside of his specialty on the internet. It cost him almost $2 million.

So I've heard your sister multiple times in multiple places with you. And many of the things that she's saying with no medical malpractice, no medical license, didn't finish her E&T residency. I got to be honest with you. Maybe that's the reason why she doesn't have the same experience that Mary has. Oh, yeah. So, okay, I want to respond. but,

but, do, should I, well, I'm just, you know, like I said, I don't

assume nefarious motives because she's not speaking out of COVID, but what the, because there's no trust in the world now. She has, yeah, exactly.

Jack, that's why I'm here, honestly. And I think that's valid. Yeah. Well, yeah, when you've gone through what I've gone through,

you don't trust. I don't trust. I think, I think you're, like, I think you've got a, I think, but I,

I, I am here and we talked about this. I didn't see all your I consider conspiratorial stuff I think this idea that you don't have trust is super valid not just of us

of just general I think this is a I think this is a very high stakes time and there's a lot of people listening that have it's not about me or it's like like I think this larger It is about you too Hold on hold on but there's also a lot of just distrust

in general I think around the system Like I think you're bringing the distrust To this magical moment I don't want to get into it I want to finish what we, the whole thing. I never got to finish the whole trust thing, right? Because that's, that's the biggest problem I see. I have patients coming to me.

I have a list, a printed list of doctors. I give them, okay, these are the people that are like-minded. These are the people that, you know, will never make you wear a mask in the office, will never ask you your vaccination status, have, you know, been very like-minded. And if the government does not take this rare, this opportunity to come to, come down and hold people accountable, we will never restore the trust, at least in our lifetime.

And that people need to have everything taken down and we need immediate and swift action. I mean, we'll never restore the trust. I mean, I'm telling you, okay, look how many, you know how many people are still getting these COVID shots? I mean, it's probably less than

10%. And that's a reflection of their trust in our government, because our government is telling them that they need to get these COVID shots. I think it's like 3% for like young kid. It's like when it's the recommendation. It shouldn't even be that. Well, we don't know. Yeah, it's good. Well, good. I mean, nobody should be getting these shots.

I agree. And yeah, so if we if we don't do something, we'll never are going to restore the trust. And this is the time to do it. And soft peddling this is just not going to work. I mean, people do not trust our health system.

Yeah. I think that's why this conversation is so important. And I also think that that's why it's admirable that calli suggested we actually do this and he come here and talk to you guys if he was some sort of nefarious trojan horse i don't think he would have done that okay but i want to emphasize that he is he's has a big role you have a big microphone right now you are all over the news you're your bipartisan news you're all over the news right now you have the ear of trump and kennedy and and we need to convince you that that no child should be given the option of getting this modified synthetic MRNA shot

that that has dire consequences if it goes wrong. And it doesn't go wrong in everybody. We know that. But there's different, they're varying degrees, varying numbers, 4%, 15%, 1 in 500, 1 in 800, serious adverse reaction. You should see the patients in my office that come to see me with these injuries. It is life-changing. And there's nothing we can do for these people.

It's very hard. They don't get better. And what kind of people are they? What age group? And what's why? I have young people. I have older people. But it's so a lot of it's neurological, which is very difficult to fix. I don't see the myocarditis, a stroke, that sort of thing, because I'm outpatient. But I see these people with a really chronic, debilitating health problems. I looked at my new patient appointments in the two years following the rollout of the COVID shots.

7% of my new patients were coming to see me for injuries directly related to these COVID shots. they typically get the million dollar workup they see a bunch of other doctors they're never reported a VAERS none of the patients that came to see me were reported to VAERS even though the onset of her symptoms was in close proximity

and that's the other thing VAR is 1%. It's only a reflection of 1% and now I've lost my drain of fat The VAERS Well, oh the injuries yeah so neurological I see pots

which is where the blood pressure just fluctuates up and down erratically with no triggers and that's very difficult to treat. It's very young people. Postal orthostatic hypertension. Yeah. It's caused by mitochondrial damage to cytocrine one in the mitochondria.

Yeah. So, and these people, there's just not a lot we can do for them, right? And they, they, you know, I would say a lot of people slowly get better. But, you know, I have one patient with severe vertigo just won't go away. Young guy. Ten years younger than me. Otherwise healthy. Just now completely debilitated.

barely walk. I have another patient with severe tremors. I mean, he's a CEO of a company, maybe five years older than me, otherwise, was previously healthy. Now just can't stop shaking all the time, all the time. Another patient was severe unexplained pain in her flank that, you know, she's had all these imaging studies. Nothing shows up. She's previously healthy. And just now, she's just debilitated by this unexplained pain. So let me tell you what I did. I was retired. I was a Bitcoin maxi. And I got asked to do, I guess you would call it a movie with McCullough and Malone. And it was so controversial that it had to be behind a paywall.

And my part of the movie was kind of interesting. I reviewed the patents on the jabs before they came out. And I was the first one to notice that there was two legal definitions. And that's all I talked about. As a doctor, you know what I did then, Mary? I went back to work, went back to the ICU. Started going back two times every month. And I started seeing, on average, 13 people with clots, people dying a week. Yeah. And then something very interesting happened that I really want to get into. started to see people from youngest was 17,

oldest was 94, that would present with no history of cancer, and then they had stage four cancer. Callie, when your mom got cancer, let me ask you a little bit kinder when you talk about one. Yeah, I'll be kind, but your mom did die during COVID, right? Didn't she? Yeah, she didn't get the vaccine. Okay, let me ask you a question. Have you ever looked at her death certificate?

Okay, so have you ever looked at her death certificate? Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack. I'm just asking you a question. Jack. Have you ever looked at the death certificate? Jack. It's a yes or no question. Jack, if you're going to talk about personal stuff.

You want to call your sister up and ask her she looked at? Hold on, hold on. Bring a little more heart to this, Jack. Oh, this is where the heart of the matter is, my friend. Jack, Jack, can you take a, can we take a breath and can you just like? Nope, I need an answer. Why are you being so angry about my mom's death? I think you're full of shit.

You think I just told you. There's no trust. You think I'm full of shit about my mom's death? Yeah, I think it was a ruse. I don't think your mom's story. Why you wrote that book is actually what you're telling everybody. And I want everybody to hear it straight from your mouth that you're not lying to us. Because I'm going to tell you something when you take a look at her death certificate,

you might. I want to make sure that you're really understand where I'm going. your mom lived in California. When was the first person that got a jab? You know? December 10th. Okay? Your mom died in January.

Casey is on record in podcast saying that your mother got diagnosed and died in 13 days from a stage 4 cancer. You have been on Tucker Carlson. You have been on Joe Rogan. And you've told the world because your mother had a metabolic disease. disease that she died. Is that factually correct? That she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and died 13 days later? And it was stage four. Yes. She was previously perfectly fine, correct? Correct? Correct. Jack? You want me to pull the picture up from 2014? It shows you she was pretty good. Jack. It's a yes or no question, brother. Jack? Answer the question. Jack. Stop. No, I'm not going to.

Jack. Answer the question. I'm not. I'm not. answering the question. All right, he's going to answer now. She was feeling a little sluggish in the months before, but the pancreatic cancer diagnosis was a huge surprise. Okay, so let me ask you a question. Where does she live? Half of May, California. All right. So what do you know about COVID and California in December of 2020 and January 21? Anything a little bit unusual that you recall? Because you remember, you, this was your seminal event that you and your sister changed your life to write the book. Yeah. Right?

Yes. That 13 days. Because I've heard your sister and you say that. So I'm taking you. I believe you. So I want to talk about that issue. Well, are you, it seemed to be sharing you were making that up. I didn't say that yet.

You just did. No, I didn't. You did. I didn't. But, but, but. But I'd like to ask you a question. Jack, I'd like to ask you a question. Let me answer the question.

She was, so yes, she was diagnosed and then there was 13 days that were very important to me and Casey. All right. What's your question? My question is, have you looked at her death certificate? I have not seen her death certificate. She died of pancreatic cancer. Okay. Has your sister looked at the death certificate?

What are you getting at? I have not seen the death certificate. I think you need to look at it. Do you know that all death certificates in California are a public record, right? Sure. You might want to take a look at that before you do your next podcast. How is that, Jack? Because maybe your mother didn't die of a metabolic condition.

Pancreatic cancer? No. What did you die of, why did you assume that pancreatic cancer is only a metabolic condition? I think cancer is highly tied to metabolic health. Yeah? Yes. Did you have Kevin McKearinen in here a couple weeks ago?

What do he tell you about SV40 and all that? Yeah, well, because that a metabolic condition? Well, it impacts the cells. I mean, I think over-prescription. You're not a doctor. I know. I think over-prescription of pharmaceuticals are causing a lot of issues to our metabolic health. But you just told us that your mom didn't take the job.

She didn't. So she couldn't have been over-prescribed, could she? She didn't get the COVID job. No, but when was she born? 40-something, 46? 46, yeah. Yeah. She got the folio job.

Did you know that? So you're saying it could have something to do with a jab that she got decades ago? And maybe, and maybe, Talley, let me ask you a question because you're a great lobbyist. Okay. Why? Do you know that, do you know that SV40 is associated with rapid presentation of stage four pancreatic cancer? Did you know that? Yes or no?

Jack? Yes or no? Remember, ignorance or fraud, bro? I'm not going to do this. Where are we at? This is. All right, we have to, let's try to, Jack, let's just, let's try to be a little, let's try to be a little bit more reasonable just talking to each other. And, yeah, and not.

I think this is pretty reasonable. Jack, what's your question? Did I know, hold on, hold on. So I am not aware of her getting any vaccines in a recent period to the cancer. I assume she was, you know, as we talk about, she was a product of the modern medical system and I think got probably all the vaccines that she was supposed to get over her. I think that's reasonable. Over her life.

Nobody would argue with you about it at all. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. So, so, and then, and then my story, we can, I mean, I find this for fully good faith. I mean, we could talk about what you think happened. But my story that was implanted on my mom is she was a product of modern medical advice. You know, she ate ultra-processed food and low-fat diet. She probably had some tough things going on with her light and circadian rhythm and sleep, dysregulation. You know, she, she, she was working to be active. but was somewhat sedentary. You know, probably was overlying on pharmaceuticals. I don't know her whole vaccine history. She didn't get the COVID jab. That wasn't available.

And, you know, she was on other medications as we talked about. Just so you're clear, it was available in California when your mom was there. 271,000 people in California got the jab. But, do you know, before January? Do you know the number one place? Oh, my God. Okay. Are you suggesting my mom got the COVID jab?

Callie. Is that what you're saying? Did I say that? Can I ask the question before you try to answer for me? You make a lot of suggestions. What are you saying? I'm saying to you. You're suggesting. Do you know the reason why California got the jab early? No. Because there was many people from China that was over there.

Okay. So the jab was given specifically at two major places. Do you know where those places were? Probably Stanford. Oh, okay. And where else? In Los Angeles. Angeles. Good. Right? Okay. Can I, good. Um, so my story is that she had a multifactorial issues that are actually hard to pin down of modern society that are attacking her overall mitochondria, her metabolic health. Um, I think that pancreatic cancer and many forms of cancer are highly tied to our cellular dysregulation and not tied to the absence of some cancer therapy, but a multi-factorial complex,

a group of factors. Let me ask you a question. Do you think it's normal? I'm going to let you keep going on, but you have to remember something. You're not a doctor, and I am. Jack, I'm saying what I'm saying is, do you think it's normal for a 71-year-old woman

to show up with a stage four pancreatic cancer? Do we know how often that even happens? Hold on, hold on. Very rarely. I do know. Hold on, hold on. I think it's becoming more common. So I think pancreatic cancer generally is very deadly.

because you tell me if this doesn't jive with what your experience is, is that the stage four sneaks up on you very quickly, and it does lay dormant for a long time, and then it's known as soon that it appears, and then you're out pretty quickly. So I do think that actual, it was pretty quick, but I think that pancreatic cancer is particularly tough with that because you basically start learning about it when it's very late,

often stage four. So I think that actually is pretty common, and my understanding, Jack, is that, Pancreatic cancer rates, you know, 50 years ago was not really something you ever saw some with pancreatic cancer. And they are, like many forms of cancer are increasing a lot. So while it's rare, I don't know, I'm meeting a lot of people whose parents have died very quickly from pancreatic cancer.

I think it is increasing in rate. Actually, the highest place in the United States, you know where it is? California. There you go. So let's directly related to. Let's talk about that. Okay. So you know that your sister.

used to have a previous history with 23 and me. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

you don't know that. No, no, no, no, hold on, let me talk about that. Casey interned for 23 and me as a freshman or sophomore in college

16 years ago. She didn't interact with, she's called her a wonderful friend. Hold on. I can give you the facts, you can dispute them or whatever you want. In the past 16 years, she's seen Anne Wojiki or whatever her name is one time

where they were on a panel together the top health conference where Casey eviscerated the pharmaceutical industry to gas from the crowd very average stereo and one of them posted picture referring to old friends as an old intern she's seen Anne one time in 16 years

has never met Sergey and those are the facts so you can call that alive. She did when she posted on Instagram. She said, Wonderful friend. That was a reference to them being an intern. Like,

she does not know. She has seen Anne exactly once, has interacted with her exactly once in 16 years when that photo was taken. Collie, do you know who's Anne's sister? The... Susan.

Susan, yeah. I don't know her. Do you know anything about her? I know she died of cancer, right? She was the CEO of YouTube. Yeah. You know, the one that pulled Kevin off for SV40. I don't know anything more than that

Do you know that she had an adenocarsinoma? No. I have no idea who like You know what's a special? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. Let me go. So what do you know about adenocarsoma?

Very little. It's associated with cigarette smoking. My mom smoked. Would you be surprised? Back in the day. Would you be surprised to know that Susan Rijicki didn't smoke? My mom, my mom did smoke. She stopped about 15 years ago.

I'm not asking about your mom now. Jack, Jack, Jack, stop being so much. menacing man. I'm asking about Susan. You have hate in your heart about this for some reason. I don't know. We'll have to look into your motivations, but you should have before you came. I know them. I actually out of respect for other people. I don't want to get into them. But yeah, okay, so what's the deal with Susan? Susan died of aggressive cancer as well. I heard that. Right? You know that her son also died four months before her. I don't know that. But he did. He killed himself. Same cocktail of drugs that most of the school shows.

orders out. What was that cocktail? Steve can look it up. It's an SF gate. I'm not going to go through all the drugs. It's really not important for this story. Okay. So the interesting thing is,

Susan and your mom both lived in California. Yeah. Do you know that I couldn't find Susan's death certificate anywhere? Okay. But I could find your moms. Okay. What do you think? I would assume that's because Susan is a prominent person

and they might have covered it up or something. It's the law, Callie. Remember, you did intern at the White House, and you were lobbyist, and you know that the law applies to everybody except Hunter Biden. That's right. So let me ask you a question.

Yes. This is big tech. These guys are linked to the people that used to work for, and magically the death certificate's not there. So, you know, levels was paid for in a deck from A16Z. So hold on.

Hold on. So, Andrewies and Horowitz is the largest venture capital firm in the country. Correct. And after my sister left the medical system, she had a thesis that a lot of our conditions that are treated in silos, you guys would probably agree with this, right? We treat things in silos. We have, you know, endocrinologists for diabetes and E&Ts for head and neck, you know, sinusitis. You know, they're all, these things are interconnected.

So one small way to attack that, not everything, but one small way, she thought, is to give people continuous glucose monitors. It's changed my life. It's like is a closed loop of what I'm eating. It's, you know, a couple hundred thousand people have gotten them. They don't share or sell data in any way, I think, as you suggested. And they raise money from Andresen Horowitz, which I have not raised money from. This conspiracy, I haven't found anything. This conspiracy is, I'd happily do it.

I mean, you know, this conspiracy is new to me because they turned us down. So let's talk about where you think I'm going because I'm not going there. So your sister likes to use continuous blood glucose monitors. In her book, the one that you co-wrote with her, so I'm assuming that you edited it with her, what was the number one technology to use for people with poor sleep? Do you recall? That we recommended? Yeah.

A sleep monitor. Fitbit, wasn't it? We didn't try not to recommend too many brand names, but we... What does a Fitbit do? It measures your... It measures various metrics around your sleep and heart rate, HRV, that kind of stuff. Hold on, I meant. Yeah.

Does it use non-native EMF? So let me answer that. My understanding is Fitbit has lower EMF and scores lower IMF and scores lower on. that but but does it use it uh i i honestly i'd love to learn i mean i think every i learn every single thing that uses EMF raises blood glucose and insulin i think that's maybe true so guess what what you wrote the book in the middle of it and you told everybody it's the best way to do it i think i think trackers and understanding more about when did you write the book though when did you write the book hold on hold on because the book came out in what let's have a conversation

Let's have a conversation. But the book came out in 22, 23? I wrote the book 20. Yeah. When did you start writing it? 21, 22, 22, 2020. Beginning of COVID. Right after your mom got sick.

Yeah. It started thinking about it, yeah. Okay. Do you know the paper for Nora Volkov when it came out that anything that is associated with non-native EMF? Listen, I think EMF is a huge problem. But do you know when the paper came out? No. Do you think your sister does?

I don't know. This is in 2011. Okay. So you're saying people shouldn't wear footbids? No. What I'm saying is when you tell people that these are things related to a metabolic disease and then you're using non-native EMF to track it because guess what? Chronic glucose monitors also do this? What is the kind of point here? Because I'm certainly open to that information and we could correct the book. I do think bio-awareables are useful in understanding more data about your body. Yeah, I don't think they are at all.

Okay, okay. I think honestly that's a pretty small part of our whole message, but sure, I think that in the next, my personal opinion is the next 10 years, more personalized understanding what's happening in our body can supplant the doctor kind of construct that's totally failed. I think we have these discussions on what's more important, the pharmaceuticals, the light, the food. I think they're all, I think it's kind of dumb to stack rank them. Honestly, I think everyone should have an understanding of their biomarkers. Would we agree that our glucose, our fasting glucose, our HDL, our triglystorides, our blood pressure. Okay. I wouldn't. You're talking to the wrong guy about that. No, I actually... How would you measure success, like, from an internal, like, personalized perspective? How would you measure success?

Heteroplasmy. That's the only way. Good. And the reason why I bring this up to you, and this is where me not being adversary with you, I find it very interesting that both you and your sister were caught with your pants down in 13 days about your mom but never realized. Oh, with our pants down. Meaning that you were not ready for what happened.

Right. But immediately you went to blame the food issues. No, we didn't blame the food issues. Well, I mean. Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, we are on the scene and this is your question. Why are we here? The Tucker Carlson podcast is the most shared podcast this year. Okay.

people listened to the podcast and shared it okay that is that is why we're here and my advice my PR advice is I think that's because Casey's talking from the heart and I connect with people okay that is the truth all this conspiracy stuff I got to know Bobby I met him a couple times and I picked up the from from the heart I've talked to Trump folks a couple times and I from the heart feeling very emotional after the Butler shooting I said there's a generation opportunity for unity maybe you should call Trump and I can try to help that make that happen. These are all like just personal from the heart things. So you guys can either believe that or not. I think that Casey's putting out a lot of light and I'm certainly trying to. Do you see the

point though? And the book, the book is not about fruit loops, Jack. It's not. Do you see my point though that, you know, we've been fighting a war for four years? Absolutely. And all of a sudden, no one's talking about it anymore and we're all talking about seed oils. It's just very, it's true. Guys, I think, You're not, hold on, hold on, hold on. It's called the Hegeland dialect. Dude, dude, dude. And the place that he used to work specializes. You know what? You know what also is a tactic to throw around bullshit to cause doubt on people and like say that people are connected?

No, no, no. No, no. I am not here for you. I'm here because there's a lot of people listening. It's not about me that are skeptical of this. I think we have a generation opportunity. I have a lot of respect for you. I think you are seeing a lot of pain.

Jack, I think your thoughts. on the science are are often very brilliant. And, you know, I don't really have any debate for them other than the stack ranking. I mean, you know, listening to hours of your stuff, I just think it's like, you know, completely dismissing food. I mean, maybe it's stacked. It is. Well, there's no question about it.

I'll agree with you 100%. That dismissing food is a factor. Yeah, it's about five or six on the list. Well, that might be true. I think when we start pinning down and trying to step. But notice how I said the stuff that you and your sister are talking. talking about. I'm actually okay with that. I have zero issues with it. Can I ask you what we're, where's the, what's the result of what we're trying to do then if we're connected with Rockefeller

and trying to subvert this agenda and bring that, what are, what are we like how have we, why would I? Not focusing on the right things. Like technology, the jabs. But why, you think he's trying to take the eye off the ball? Yes. Well, an MRI is this is not, we're not one and done with the COVID shot. Why would, why would I then work just to bring these issues so much into the, why? Why would, You're attached on the broken leg. In other words, you're going to limit what Bobby can do in government. Nobody's limiting what Bobby can do. There's you and a lot of people that are around these globalist entities that are being placed in the cabinet right now.

I'm not going to the cabinet. There's a lot of... We know that. If the COVID shots get pulled off the market, a whole industry of biotech is going to go down. It's a big deal, right? Oh, yeah. I talk about that a lot. The people with the vested interests in MRNA are going to use every tactic they can to

keep it alive. Yes. And so that's why we're suspicious. We're suspicious. And maybe you're an unwitting agent. Maybe. Maybe. But we just, there's a technique called misdirection. It's a war technique.

Right. And it just kind of all falls in the place. But gaming this out. So we write a book, Vistrarian the pharmaceutical industry. We go on podcasts of Vistrarian the pharmaceutical industry. I think you're giving me way too much credit. But I do whatever I help to,

put these ideas to how... Did the pharmaceutical industry distribute the job? No. Department of the Defense did. So who's the pharmaceutical industry in this story? They were just the drug dealers. But Jack, I'm just trying to game out your argument is. My argument is I want you to actually make an accurate diagnosis.

In fact, I'm not holding your feet to the fire. Really as bad as I hold your sister's feet to the fire. Well, my sister, as you might know, is, you know, I think said stuff from the heart that's impacted people and is not, you know, as much in the day to day of this political thing. I'm very passionate, Jack, about figuring out how to create and think about policies that accomplish goals that I'm pretty sure that we're all aligned with in the most fast and radical way. again, I strongly believe that that is when it comes to pharmaceutical products, having an emphasis in the next six months on a radical transparency agenda. I do think that is... And see, I disagree with you on that. But I've made that case.

I've already made the case. But I've actually done something that you haven't done. Well, Jack, I'm working in the... I'm working to do stuff. We both are. No, we're not working on the same goals. My goal is to eradicate. What?

Eradicate what? All the vaccines. My goal is to eradicate chronic disease. Why do you think nobody has been appointed that has been outspoken about taking the COVID shots off the market? So nobody has gotten a position. Do you think it's the best idea just to ban them? Or do you think it's the best idea?

The MRI platform needs to be banned. Do you think it's... The other vaccines, I'm okay with the transparency and discussing. If they want to save face, they could just say, hey, we're going to pull it off the market while we do further studies. That would be a very easy way to save face and not, do you want to chat? I mean, I'm not trying to be like I, you were giving me way too much credit, but like like let's figure out the best strategy to get your research out there and get a path to what you think could happen. I mean, I mean, there are like like like like like like like,

like, like, like, like, like, like, my story is that actually talking about any type of strategy you feel is not, this is my story. I'm not saying that you're saying is like not, um, is almost like suspicious. If you're talking about any type of like like as a, is a definitive statement, no, I do not think the platform of everyone in government right now to immediately pull everything. I do not think that's the appropriate, um, political feasibility. I don't, I don't, about health. No, no, no, no, getting getting something done in this generational moment is about politics. I have to say, Mary, it is. Yeah, I disagree with that too. I just, I just, I just, I just, I just,

well, that's why I wrote a constitutional amendment. Jack, Jack, we're on, we're on, like, like,

like I think the fact that, I mean, honestly, my main issue is like, we're kind of thinking about maybe even different. Like, like, like,

I think it's perfectly appropriate to ask. And this is frankly not where Casey's thinking. Casey's thinking about more of a spiritual level. Like, I'm thinking more about like what can be done in the next year. And, you know, that's different than like what the moral imperative is.

I'm telling, I feel a ton. I know you see the kids and people every day. and that's harrowing. Like, I feel like I have a pretty deep, you know, concern for what's happening to America's children and, like, what's happening to America, I think we're being slaughtered right now.

And, like, I think, I think what I am, where my brain goes is, like, how to translate that into policy. Now, there could be big disagreements with that, and there should be massive, like, outside agitation and challenging on everything. But, like, the immediate going to, like, that we're working with Rockefeller, like, you know.

The point that I tried to make to earlier, and I don't think you've done a good job, but the cool thing is the audience will decide this. It's ignorance? You think I'm ignorant. Well, I do. And I think your sister's more ignorant than you are. We might be unwittingly. But my concern coming in here is that there's a line between ignorance and fraud.

And what I'm trying to do... What are we frauding? I think you could be a front for the globalist and the big tech guys. Then why would we, why would our central message be eviscerating the pharmaceutical? Because you want to get into the administration so that you can hamper things. That's what Fabians do. The Fabians are the ones behind the council of four relations. Why wouldn't I have just tried to like not have this message to get on the center?

Like why wouldn't I just told you the reason why. Because you want. Because people like me are blocking you from doing it. Yeah. Well, that's the truth. That is absolutely the truth. What do you mean by that? Just what I said.

I've told the right people that they need to be concerned about you to until you come on a podcast. And to your credit, I'll be the first one to give you this credit. Danny told me that you backed out until 25 and then you said, no, with Jack saying, let's do this now. Until what? Next year. Let's talk about this now because you know what? No, he's talking about when we originally had a podcast scheduled and then you had to reschedule it until 2025. And now you back in.

You said, let's talk. That's great. I'm glad that we're here talking about because to be honest with you, I'm giving you the olive ranch. I want you to actually set the record straight because the audience, I can tell you right now, this is going to be a very simple witness test. Is it ignorant or is it fraud? Which one are people going to go on? You know there's going to be people that make comments after this. The way we look at each other, the way we talk to each other, the issues that have been presented. And I do really want to hear from you because there's things about your family. What concerns you about my family? The books your dad's written. These are really concerning. Hold on. We know that what his history is.

Let's go through this quick. Let's go through this. Well, no. Well, this is what I'm trying to say. You will not let me finish any points here. The bottom line is your family is painted with a globalist brush. By you. By you.

No, no, no. by their actions. No, no, no, no, by, by, by, Jack, I think your father wrote, I think we're spending, hold on, I think the book your father wrote is directly tied to Richard, who you used to work for. His wife is a DEI leader in the world economic form. Okay, okay, can I, so, so, um, I think we're probably spending too much time on me, but can take it wherever you want?

want. We just need you to answer the question, Callie. That's all we need to do. And you're not doing a good job of it. Thank you for that analysis. What's the question? Callie, I think your non-answer is an answer. Hold on, whoa, whoa, well, specifically what was the question?

Jack, what is the question? The question is, is it ignorance or is it fraud? Okay. Why would you laugh at that? Because I think... It's a very uncomfortable laugh, my friend. Okay, because I think, I think, I haven't laughed too much during this podcast. I've been looking directly at you, looking to see your answer.

And it really bothers me that this is difficult for you. I bet you if I ask you the question, if we could ban high fructose corn syrup, you'd have no problem saying. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I don't think we should ban high fruit dose corn syrup. It's the exact same answer I'd give on the COVID vaccines. I think we need mass transparency. I would agree with you in the sense that.

I think, Jack, hold on. Jack, no, I would not say we should ban. I for those cards, sir. I don't think bans are politically a good thing to do. I think transparency is. So I would absolutely not say to pay. Getting corruption out of the social media platforms like YouTube and Twitter and all of these social media platforms that are basically monopolies

that control all information in the world. And making it so they cannot be infiltrated by government agencies or big pharma. How about the Rockefeller Foundation? or the people that are behind all these PR firms, because that's who's doing all this stuff. Okay, okay. I'm talking about the conversation specifically, like conversations like we have with Kevin McKeerman,

where they get taken up. So when you have somebody who's questioning these things, there is a policy called the medical misinformation policy on YouTube, which I'll make it very clear up front when we, before we release this podcast, I'll put a little stinger up there that says that we're clearly not doing that here. None of this is medical information. But there are policies that are written in there that are very loose

that can take things with anybody who questions any of these stuff, completely wipe it off the internet. That's when you Google her name. When you type her name into YouTube, there's nothing. I know. Except for literally one minute clips from like news stations talking about how she got beat by the Methodist Hospital.

Okay. We've got a lot going around here. Let me try to. And then, Jack, no, I'm laughing because the idea of my dad's book, Felix the Flamingo. which is a book that sold 50 copies that he wrote for a dear friend of the families who contemplated suicide after being in the closet

as a gay man for a long time. And he wrote a book about acceptance. And it's a magical flamingo who is different. It's a book about a gay flamingo. I read it. Yeah, it's a book about a flamingo that's different. It has nothing to do with trans. That's a lot to do, though, with the Globus.

With what? With the Globos. that are in control. The who? The globalists? The globalists. Correct. The Rockefellers.

Jack, he hired a illustrator on Upwork and worked for a month as a side project on a book as a tribute to a good friend who was closeted and gay. Right.

Which fits the ideology of the Council of Far Relations, which your dad was also a member. He was not a member. He is never a member. in any way should perform the council for relations. I don't know if that's so true, my friends. Actually, when a family friend put me on it

is just on that list a couple years ago, I think before COVID. How did that happen, by the way? How did they put you on the list? Chelsea Gabbards in the county. This is a massive, like, prestigious thing. I think it's very hot. Is it really prestigious? No, I think it's actually terrible.

Hold on. I actually, I actually, no, Jack, like, this is my, this is me. Like, this is what I bring to this. I racked up these plotts. Like that was my, like, that was my issue. For you to climb the ladder? Yeah. So that's what you're saying.

Absolutely. So because you used that, you thought that you could get points in D.C. So, look, can I ask you a question? I accept that. I accept that 100%. Totally. So let me ask you a question. This gets to really the harder matter.

Tell me about a place where you want to climb the ladder with that kind of stuff being an accolade. But would you and I put that as an accolade to climb up the ladder? I don't consider CFR an accolade. I think you're digging into any. You've dug in and it seemed like higher investigators, and you've found Felix the Flamingo, the fact that I've been to one CFR meeting, and then trying to slam me on the fact that I used to work for lobbying

in public affairs firms, which is central to my message. Those are the three things you've found after I know, and I know something about you, Jack, spending a lot of energy, not with the goal of getting to truth, but the goal of criticizing us. No, actually, I'm actually trying to get to the truth. But find out where we are.

Just to be clear, the three things you have is that my dad wrote a children's book that I went to one council and foreign relations meeting, which is central to my story about trying to rack up these things. And you worked for an MK Ultra sponsored. Yeah, but he didn't know that. Did you not know that? How could I not know that as a talk?

23 year old? What are you talking about? Yeah. I mean, you never looked up the name of the guy that he worked for? Oh, I'm, it's plausible he didn't know the guy I don't know. I don't know what still, I've listened to your stuff on this. Jack, like, so you don't know who Daniel Edelman is? In the beginning of this podcast, you just mentioned that you did. Of course I know who he is. And you knew his son. So you don't see that that ideology is the same ideology that's

present. Daniel Edelman died. Richard Doublemins. 2013. Yeah, yeah. And then the son took over. Yeah, he was kind of running. The ideology of both of these people are very similar to what's in your dad's book. In fact, Richard's new wife, Richard's new wife is the DEI expert for the Wef.

So Jack, just to tease out what you're saying, if you could listen to me in good faith. My story is attacking this DC tactics of kind of what you're describing, and kind of what you're describing, in K Ultra. Like, that's what we did with food and pharmaceuticals and cigarettes. Like, like, calling those out, that's why I came on the scene two years ago. I started talking about how we used to pay the NWACP to say that Coke was basically fine and racist to ban it on food stamps. It's like that those tactics are very dark. And- But you know those weren't the tactics of MK Ultra, right? You know what the tactics were, right? You said you listened to the podcast. You know what I did. Yeah, yeah. It's light. It's light.

Light, non-80 VMF, stuff that's in your book. I don't know. Stuff that's in your book. So if Richard was part of a mind control, hold on, if Richard was part of a mind control, that's news to me. And like, maybe. I didn't know about that. But so let me just, let me just, so I work for these companies. And what are the other ones?

The CFR. I mean, that's who I am. It's not so much the CFR. My real concern. Yeah, but my real concern, and I think you've really, you've tried to dance around this fact. What's the direct question? I'm happy to address the one of them. The agent for your book is a left person.

Okay. It's a left person. So it seems for, W-EF, W-EF, World Economic Form. Davos person. So guess what? These are the people you're running away from, but that's the agent selling your book? No, no. And then you use non-A-DivMF, Fitbits and chronic glucose monitors?

That's what I'm hearing. I think that they, that's what I'm hearing. I think they did Rick Rubin's book, Engwell. No, they didn't. Oh, well, he had a top agent, too. We taught, listen, this is, let me just, this is, is going to have a top agent, but not a top wef. No, no, no, no, no.

It's not, if you Google top health care book agents, this, these guys, I agree, keep going. These guys are tied to Agenda 2030. Okay. So are you ignorant in that fact or is it fraudulent? How did you find your agent? Yeah, okay. Let's talk about it.

Great. well, the World Economic Forum called me and said, we want you to write a book about how the pharmaceutical industry and the global agenda is evil. And then they connected me to their special agent. And then this is the key part. They put a gun to a million Americans' heads to buy the book in the past six months.

And they made everyone listen to my sister, my podcast and connect from the heart. So you don't think that your previous... They did a mind control experiment. They did a mind control experiment. Your previous friends in history had no help in propping you up. No. You don't believe that's the case.

No, I tweeted something in Tucker Carlson's producer, DM. Do you want to see it? No, I don't need to. Why? Because I think the audience is going to listen to this podcast and draw their own conclusions. And what would that conclusion be in Europe? We're going to find out. But Jack, what's your conclusion?

Do you think I'm working with the world economic form on my book? No, I actually think you are a little bit. bit nefarious and you're not trustworthy. So what's your conclusion? I thought coming in here that you would state the case because you're pretty eloquent speaker. You've not been eloquent today at all. Okay. And I thought ignorance was a fair game. But the more you've talked today, the more I feel like there is actually something there. Now, do I know what the something is? I don't, but I would say to you, and I think you could discuss this both with Mary and your sister. In medicine, when you're not sure about something,

we have something called the precaution principle, meaning we should be careful. So I think anybody who listens to this podcast that's in Washington, D.C., should know who you are and be careful with you before they put you on another podcast, before they give you a platform before they stick a microphone in your face. That's all I'm saying. Okay, well, that's what you thought before.

You could be a great guy. That's what you thought before. And that's what you thought before And I knew you were coming in with bad faith But I want the people to decide I agree with that So let's I'll happily answer anything

But On the agent front When you So I spent a year Writing the book Then we asked various friends In the health community To introduce us to various agents

We spoke to five different agents Through connections of health folks that we all know. Those are who made the introductions. We have it a fantastic agent who has done books from all different ideological perspectives. I don't even know how this world economic form. I don't do not think Richard did Carl Schwab's book. The actually did. Who's the name of this guy? We can have Steve look it up. The agency people can people can, the agency's Enkwell. It's one of the largest. The point that Callie's making is a good point because most of the diet books that are out there actually do have ties back to the same group of people. And this is the same thing that goes on with media.

This isn't not something that is linked so much to Callie and Casey. This is actually a real problem that I have with all authors with those books. Well, Jack, let me let me give you behind the scenes from where I say. We got an agent. He then brought it to market. we got various offers. We went with Penguin. And then we wrote the book and had very little oversight on it. I'd say like overall from the publishing, you know, it's a little bit, it's a little bit woke.

And we had some back and forth with people. I think. None of that, none of that do I have a real big problem. Yeah. I just think that that kind of stuff needs to be talked about. Yeah, I'll talk. People are skeptical. The big issue I have with it is the fact that it was a,

Adam Grant, you know, Saul, no, it's, go up, go up. These are the, Brian Cranston. I mean, I don't know. I mean, these are just like, whatever. So, Jack, people can make their own decisions. But like, like, this is like the circle. Like we, like, Jack, this is what I'm trying to get from you.

And like, you know, people can be skeptical. You're right. I mean, like, everyone should be skeptical of everyone. You got to question everything these things. I agree. That's the point. that Mary and I are trying to bring up. That's why I'm here.

And to me, I think that's fair. I applaud you for coming to do this. Yeah. And Jack, okay, I'm trying to talk from the heart of here. Like, I do feel uncomfortable talking about myself. Like, I don't usually, so I might be more articulate. Like, I think it's not even worth people's time. I think there is as a larger issue in this moment of, like, trust.

And I think that's important. I think what you said, it's like, you should have a bad feeling about everyone. I mean, okay. I think you're being a little bit like on a jihad here. But, you're right. I am. My goal is to take apart centralized medicine. But not way you're doing it, but my own way.

Well, I might ask you to like, I mean, listen, I don't, I get in huge arguments. I've had huge public issues with people from traditional medicine. I don't think we should be building consensus necessarily right now. I don't think you have any obligation to like me or work with me at all. Consensus is pseudoscientific. I agree. I agree. I agree with that.

I don't think this is a time where we should be building consensus and like what necessarily the goal is for us to like that. I think that's the point that Mary's been trying to get you to realize when you talk to her on the phone those two times and you guys got into a heated discussion. You have to realize what this lady has been through. I agree. It's horrible.

I haven't been through what she went through. Well, I, so they're going after her livelihood and putting her in debt. Hold on. Let me finish this. Just if we're going through the stories here, we got an agent, got a publisher, wrote the book. We have no PR whatsoever. The Tucker Carlson episode really resonated.

I believe from my sister's heart. I've been on some other podcasts. This whole political thing, I think you're getting some misinformation on some of that. I have tried the best I possibly can to have good energy and a good heart with this. and work to bring people together to communicate this idea

and I've been a small player in that. There's many other people we know who've been warriors in that and I think you in many ways have been a warrior in that and I think there's a mass consciousness and mass awakening. So that's where my heart is.

And then I think on the distracting of the message, you know, I just would like tease that out what the logic is I aggressively, I aggressively like want to, like my hope is that we have decentralized medicine, is that we have a true paradigm shift and how medicine is looked at

of a more interconnected, you know, root causes that we incentivize, that we have full transparent science, that we, that we, you know, you know, my company, you know, the flexibility, HSAs, I think it would be amazing if people had control over their health care dollars, could read your stuff, and actually instead of getting drugged, you know, could look at light therapy or red lights or whatever other type of modalities you recommend. Like, like, I think everyone should be on a journey like you guys have been on.

And I think we should have, you know, no mandates. And I think even just as bad as mandates as our standard of care in Medicare Medicaid, where it's the AMA top down. Basically, you're getting a pill if you're sick. Like, we don't have any curiosity that we engender for people. So those are the main principles that I try to talk about and really fully believe in. And, you know, that's who I am. I don't, I don't even know how I'd be kind of my whole thing with your stuff. It's like, what is my goal in your head?

Like, or how are we different in that state of goal? I think your goal, and I think this is the point that I really do think you're missing. Okay. Is that you have wanted to climb in the swamp from being a little boy, and you've done a pretty good job. I will tell you that I think you have done a really good job. Right. So you have to realize when I see a young man who's trained at two institutions that I absolutely fucking hate. Which is fair.

and then meteoric rise and then just so you know I turned down Tucker Carlson because he's part of the problem I would never go on

Joe Rogan for the same reason because he's also tied to the global elites how was Rogan tied to the global we'll talk about that later but the bottom line is I've been very public

about both of those things when I did the Rick Rubin podcast I didn't answer him for six weeks why because he wanted me to talk to to Uberman and Uberman's part of the SRI crew. The SRI crew, Stanford Research Institute.

That's who became M.K. Ultra after and then goes to the Brain Health Initiative. I don't expect you to know any of this because you're not a doctor. Right. I don't think that you're going to know these things, but I believe the people that are steering where you're going and what you're doing and your message. Me. Well, nobody's steering, Jack. Like I don't actually think they, I think there's a reason that I'm lying up. You're saying that I'm lying then.

No, I'm not saying you're lying. I'm actually giving you the benefit of the dollar right now. Jack, Jack, Jack, this is, this, this, then there might be mind control or we're puppets in a larger plan. But, but this is the truth. My sister has great and I think is the best communicator on these holistic concepts that I've ever heard has deeply spiritually impacted me. And we were deeply impacted by our mom's death without full answers, but that there's the. multifactorial thing. And we started talking about that. And then I think the energy, as you've seen, Jack, like when you start saying truth, energy starts coming to you. And then we've, we've gone on

these podcasts and, and I think connected with people from the heart. So, but you have to realize there's a reason that you haven't connected with me and Mary. Oh, no, no. No, you haven't. Hold on. Because it's not a food story. No, no, no. Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack. It's a vaccine story. I talk, I call Mary right away. And I, I try to connect with everyone. I think there's a very generally jack i think this has been pretty positive i i do think generally most people we know a lot of people that follow you really feel like we're in a really interesting moment while there's still many dark forces that we can actually you know maybe change consciousness in the country so i i i don't you said that you would not ban anything the start well not necessarily anything but but but not

high fructose corn syrup okay because kennedy there's this that's that's fake we're going to we're going to what's fake the high fruitos current syrup ban thing that was oh well what no i'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the fact that Kennedy or Trump is going to declare a state of emergency for health, right? And here we go, COVID all over again. What is going to be, what are the proclamation is going to be made in this emergency declaration on chronic health? So, so, so I am outside and I'm speaking for myself. There were a lot of ideas thrown out during the campaign. I don't see a ton of appetite just, and just my personal opinion is a COVID-era state of emergency using COVID powers.

I think there is an emergency happening, but I don't think that's like first on the agenda from my opinion. I think there is this tactical question, which we could all talk about, of what practically should be done in the next, the first hundred days. And I think that's a public conversation

happening with everybody. And I think that my opinion, and this might sound woo-woo, but we need to change consciousness about health in the country. We need to be smart about doing big things, not being incremental, not finding consensus, not trying to make friends with everybody, but there are many people in the country that are starting to wake up more towards the world that

you guys see, and I think very interrelated to what I see. And I do think Bobby is going to come and go, Trump's going to come and go. The biggest victory we could possibly have is that the vast majority of Americans can't go back and see health in a different way. And I think that would be a huge win. And so, yeah, I have some issues. I think we're in an emergency, probably not an emergency order. If you're asking where I think the prioritization should be, I think, really going hard at conflicts of interest and transparency would be two good places to start. You've talked to Trump, I take a lot. So have you talked to Trump about the vaccine?

I haven't talked to Trump a lot. I've – Well, how did you orchestrate – but you call them. So – so – so – I don't have talked about this. things like the Tucker podcast, and you guys have probably seen this, people reach out. Rick Rubin, I don't, you know, Nicole, like, who you know, they're friends. They're friends in mind. There's a difference.

They're friends and patience of mine. So there's a difference there. Okay, well, I've made some good alliances with the other. I'm just saying people, like the energy that you put out brings interesting people to you. And like we have been, like I've been connected to Trump advisors, you know, in the past year who I think really care about the chronic disease issue. And Trump talked about it very eloquently before the Bobby endorsement and got to know Bobby. Not that particularly well, but there's, you know, a vibe here. And I think a vibe that he led and communicated that was really optimistic and connected

with a lot of people. So what's going on behind the scenes with, is anybody talking about the COVID shots behind the scenes at all? I can tell you exactly what's happening behind the scenes. there's very little ideology and it is full on discussions of the childhood chronic disease crisis and the fact that they're getting so sick. But nothing about those COVID shots. I think there's no.

Because he loves Operation Warp Speed, right? Trump and all of the advisors and everybody that he has put in positions of power other than you know, Jay Batacharya has said on X that he agrees that the COVID shot should be pulled off the market because he signed the Hope Accord,

although the Hope Accord does not have it on their website. site. But other than that, everybody, you know, look at the surgeon general pick. I mean, that's a, that's a nightmare. And Dr. Oz is a complete nightmare. Who is a surgeon general pick? I'm a, I'll just be the first one to say this. Yeah. I love the Dr. Oz. Okay. Oh, you do? Yeah, because centralized medicine, what better way to blow it up than to put a world economic form guy in charge of it. Okay. I, I think, I think, I think Dr. Oz is going to be extraordinary. You do? And I think he, Wait, why?

Do you think it's possible that a lot of these people, these high-level people in politics and Bobby included from what you alluded to with your first conversation with Bobby and Rick that they aren't educated on any of this stuff? And if they aren't educated on any of this stuff, for example. There's no excuse at this point. This is the biggest public health of it in our lifetime. You should be up to speed, especially if you're going to have power in a microphone. Totally. You have to be. You miss something while we were joking here.

I actually made a joke about Dr. Oz and he actually thought it was a good pick. And guess what? That fits with my concerns. Well, Jack, I think that the picks Bobby made are, I think that Bobby made these picks not Trump? No, no, no. I think the picks President Trump made. Yeah, I think the picks President Trump made are very strong. And I think, I think, you know, this is just my opinion.

I think we have people that are aligned with the vision that Bobby and President Trump painted during the campaign. And that's the reason why I said before that I'm no longer on Bobby's train. I'm kind out because what Mary's saying here, I had a lot of hope. And I will tell you that when Bobby got law fared, Nicole got law fared, if you go back and listen to the Rick Rubin podcast, Bobby laid his vision out right there about how he's going to do it because he's an attorney and I'm going to go sue everybody like I've done before like we did with Monsanto. Right. And the funny thing is, I said to Bobby, it's not going to work. And I said, I think you need to listen to what Bukeli did. We need to put a constitutional amendment and take all the fucking criminals out of the mix to begin with.

And he said, Jack, that's great, but not even DeSantis could pass that kind of law in Florida. But then... Well, I will say in Tennessee, they're about to propose a bill to ban the sale and distribution of all MRNA. I know. Tennessee may be the first. Well, I just got a call from one of the people, a governor, who this may be a very interesting point to bring up, especially with him, to show you. just how what happened in Trump's last term could actually be helpful. And this may be really big for you in Texas. So you know that Trump took a lot of shit in his first term about abortion. And remember, since abortion is not

mentioned in the Constitution, the states have to go by the 10th Amendment. Well, guess what? Medical Freedom is also not mentioned in the Constitution. That means it would go the same route. So you know what that means? Uncle Jack could sit down and talk to a governor if a governor is willing to put my constitutional amendment in the state, state constitution, we got an issue and it's a good issue. Do I think that's a way to go? Because then you don't need to deal with Trump and you don't need to deal with Bobby Kennedy. In other words, you go straight. I think it's going to be state by state. Well, you have to realize the states that I think could be very, very interesting here is Trump had a very contentious relationship with his previous primary guy, our governor, you know, DeSantis. And we know why that relationship.

relationship was destroyed because somebody who used to work at Mercury, which was a PR firm. That's Susie Watts. Where I used to work. Well, Susie worked there as well. And this was not about you. This is more about her. But you're missing the conspiracy tie. Yeah.

But you're not that important, my friend. I know. That's why I'm curious you're talking about me so much. You're not that important about this issue. I agree. The issue is, could this be an issue because your governor actually is pretty decent? Well, decent further medical freedom actually rolling your eyes. Why is that?

Texas. Texas is bad. I mean, we are, we have the largest medical center in the world. Houston. We're home of the vaccine mandate. Houston Methodist, April 2021. We were the first one to do it. And I mean.

Even before the president mandated it. Yeah. Yeah, four months before Biden did it. And, you know, we, yeah, you see what they did to me, right? I was nothing to them. I mean, I'm a solo practitioner, a pretty small practice, and they, like, you know, they they squashed me, or they tried to. And, you know, Abbott, he was always sort of a step behind DeSantis during the pandemic.

I mean, granted, he was better than, you know, somebody in Washington State. But he's always been a little bit cautious in the medical freedom. And, you know, I've reached out to him a lot regarding. in my case with the medical board and haven't heard anything back. And, you know, there's, he has close ties to the medical community. So, I don't know. You were saying you like Abbott, though. And I can't remember what the, the reason I'm, I'm hedging my bets.

I can't say everything, but there are states around Texas that I've already talked to. And Texas knows about these talks. Oklahoma is progressing good, progressing. I'm just going to tell you, I think I'm a little bit probably, probably. more optimistic on state than I am federal. Yes, I agree. And the point that I'd make to you, since you and I are Floridians, you know, I'm congressional district one and you're down here, very few people know that Matt Gatz is someone who represents me, and I'm the reason why he kept going down to El Salvador, because I kept writing him letters saying, you need to come down and look at what

Plam Buceli is. And you know that I feel very strongly about DeSantis, and I feel very strongly about the Florida Surgeon General. That is the guy that should have got the job. Because if that guy gets the job, the jabs are over. Because they're basically over here. And you're a Floridian. I'm a Floridian when I'm in the States. That is the kind of leadership that we need to see

at the federal level, not the state. And the fact that we haven't got those picks in, and we hear what Callie saying as being an insider there, that, no. I'm just saying Trump makes a good choices. Yeah. Well, you, and we are disagreeing with that. Well, you disagree with Jay or you'd agree with Jay.

Jay is the only one right now that I actually think is pretty good. Yeah. But the point that I'll make is that he's actually confirming for me what you're and I's feeling is that it's not going well on the federal. So we may need to start paying more attention to the state side than not. And I think that that's where you and I. in a pretty good situation. Can I add on to that to try to constructively?

So, first off, Lattapo totally agree. And, you know, I think he's a great leader and should be having a national voice. And that's my opinion. So,

on the picks, I mean, I agree with your frustration. I mean, like, this is, I mean, I think we're in a big opportunity federally. I think we need to be doing aggressive state actions. I think people should be listening to you, Jack. I mean, like on your ideas and on this data.

I mean, you might not believe. I truly believe that. Just so you know they are listening to me. Good, good. Everybody in Washington, D.C. reads my tweets. Just so you know that. They do. Okay, good.

Because I have confirmation that, but realize something else. I'm the guy sitting at the table that wrote a constitutional amendment. I know. Jack, Jack. That's actually in their hand. And they don't want to do something with it. In the United States. My literal goal in life is to help get radical ideas and transform ideas into our health care system.

And what I'm trying to tell you is the people that you think are going to help, they're not helping. So, so I think, I'm super cynical about D.C. I don't think you are. I think you're actually, I think you're still looking for that job. So we can end to my story on that. You might be right. I mean, we all have psychological hangups that we are working a lifetime to get over. And I've explained kind of the continuing reflect, you know, plot that's along the way.

I mean, sure, like everyone has their wounded child. I'm sure you do and are working on that too. I mean, like, no, no, I mean, everyone's got their, their traumas. I would say that everything did change when I, you know, decided to focus on this issue and, and casing me to put our hearts out. And, you know, I, you know, everyone is the hero in their own head and, and has pure intentions probably. But we are trying to spread a message of light out there. And, you know, I think, I think any type of power you might be overstating.

But like, you know, like you, we're trying to push things forward. It's not power. Callie. I want you. I just think this, this is the part of you that comes off so disingenuous. You are an expert in legalized lying. That's what PR and lobby. is, let me finish. It's not debatable, but you told me that you reformed, and I am taking

you at your word. You have to realize that propaganda is a tool of the government. Obama has weaponized it against us by law, and the pharmaceutical industry can do it on TV. That's how we lost our First Amendment. You know that we talked about, which you acknowledge I'm trying to stop. But we talked about that on the last podcast. My point that I'm trying to say is if the propaganda doesn't go away on the federal level, we're not going to be successful at all. That is the point. And the point when you say, well, Jack, I don't know about this and that, you have to realize,

do you understand, you know, I don't want to be a dick with you and throw the gaunt down about ignorance and fraud? but when I say to you, clearly that the propaganda arm here is a big issue and the fact that the people you used to work with, that's their fucking modus operandi. That's all I'm calling out, Jack. Jack, Jack, respectfully, you've done a lot, you're pushing a lot.

I don't think anyone's talking more about the need to ban D.C. Farm advertising and how nefarious that is and how that allows the pharmaceutical industry not only to brainwash people, but also to buy off the news itself. But none of the people that Trump are putting at the federal level are doing that. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Jack, it gets into a logic problem. So I'm just talking about that, bringing that as much the national stage I possibly can in order to subvert it. Why wouldn't I just subvert it in the first place? Well, I guess. Can you answer that? No, I guess you missed my point. Like, Jack, I'm trying. By you saying that to me, you missed the point.

Okay. The point is you're okay with what they're doing at the federal level, but you're not okay going that way. Of course, I'm supportive of President Trump what he's doing. He's appointed the best reform-minded group of people for HHS in American history. I'm extremely supportive and extremely optimistic. I don't see it that way. Extremely, who's a- I think it's the status quo.

Who's a more reform-minded HHS group of people? Marty has pledged not to go to FARA after this. I think all 20, the past 20 years, every single FDA commissioner has gone straight to pharma.

These people right now are not going back to pharma. So, Jack, I would say if you investigate, and if you're honest, the past 20 years of HHS leadership, this is the most reform-minded. You might not think it's reform-minded up,

but it is. No, let me tell you what it's about, my friend. You can give me your opinion. ideation without execution leads to deletion of every good idea. I don't give a shit what they say. I want to see the action. I 100% agree with that statement.

No, you're willing to give them a fucking olive branch now and I'm not. Jack, I'm not giving anything. They don't deserve shit. Do you want to know the truth? We have to hold their feet to the fire. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We can hold their feet to the fire, of course. But I think the question is, it's a fair question.

How do we support Bobby and Trump and this team as much as we possibly? Maybe that's not what you think it should do. No, we shouldn't support them at all. They need to do the will of the people. Right. That's what they need to do. Not the will of Cali. Not the will of Cali.

Calli wants to be, let's, transparency, transparency. What do you think we should do? I think we'd fucking burn it down. That's what I think. Well, I, I, I, burn it down. So, so what, literally, what would you advise to do? I would tell Elon and Vivek to close fucking places down. And I'd start with the intelligence communities.

Can we, can we back on? Hold on. Hold on. I'd start with everything tied to science. Jack. Because there's nobody worthwhile in there. Can we step back and actually calmly talk about what your hundred-day- I'm very calm.

Okay. Can we talk about what your 100-day plan would be? Like what-constitutional amendment? Okay. So what would be your recommendation of how to, you know. Anybody associated with COVID goes to Guantanamo Bay, first and foremost. Okay. that's it. That's the first thing I do.

Okay. And I know that if Gets was in, that had happened. Mm-hmm. That's the first place. And then I'd start changing laws. The first law I'd change? It's the 1980 law that allows scientists paid by taxpayers to benefit from research. That should end.

Yeah, I don't think there's anyone in the country that's talked more about that than me. So, well, I got to see it. It ain't going to happen. Okay. And with the people that Trump's put in, the second thing that needs happen is the vaccine liability law needs to go by the way. And here's the big issue. The first 100 days, the only thing Bobby should focus in on? Only thing is a RICO case against everybody associated with messenger RNA technology.

And that includes the Department of Defense. How would you do that? I just told you how I do it. No, no, I'm not. Investigate. We already have Fauci's emails. We have Morin's emails. We have tons of data.

You seem to act like the data is not there. Kevin McKearinen literally could go to Congress and tell them that he found SV40. Anybody associated with the FDA approval process, Guantanamo Bay. I'm not suggesting that data is not there. I'm suggesting that we certainly don't fund foundational research on why we're getting sick. that data is being covered up. And then you don't solve the problem. That we're not being open source.

There's huge. So I think. So you just want to ignore everything that's already out there? No, not at all. So you want to kind of do at YouTube? Oh, I think as much Bobby's talked about getting rid of the Pfizer department, just open source and release as much as we possibly have. That's a huge part of transparency.

We need accountability, though. People need to go to jail. Hold on. So, and again, my. story is we're not interested in your story we're interested in the story of we the people well I'm giving my opinion is that any like we all come from different perspectives I am just trying to think just intellectually like this is what I like doing is like how do you channel this spiritual awakening I believe many people in America are having about our health care system being broken and the incentive is being

destroyed and channel that into actionable ideas that can get done in the first year. And that's not like me. I'm not controlling, like, you know, I'm the one person. You're speaking like a politician and a lobbyist. Well, well, maybe. See, and I feel, not maybe, definitely. No, no, hold on, Jack. My story is, my story is my story is, and this, this is for, you know, we respond to is that talking about practicality puts your guys alarm signals up that I'm somehow trying to subvert something. It's like we are at the time now. We, we actually should. should feel that way. Okay, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, I don't,

I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, to, to, to, to, to, to, to send people to Guantanamo might be the, I mean, I mean, I don't care about the political, I do, I do, I do. He knows, like, if, if he is in this world and he understands how to talk to these people and communicate with these folks, like, you understand, you do understand that saying that saying that sending everyone to Guantano a bit is like an unrealistic. It sounds crazy, right? No, it doesn't. Let me ask you what happened at Norenberg. Did we have a discussion with the Nazis? Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, because he doesn't. No, I understand what you're saying, but what I'm trying to. Do you think we should be sending people to Van der Maudeau? I don't know how what the logistics are, but I think the spirit of that

is correct. I just, you know, there's probably a different way of doing it. Yeah. But the bottom line is we need swift immediate accountability. I mean, this is, I don't, I just feel like, you'll act like nothing's happening. I don't know.

Why don't you call her and ask her? Jack, but like, you know, aren't you call on ask her? These people that, you know, pay you and that are, you know, friends with you. Yeah.

You know who pays me here? Right here, Callie. Look. Okay. So, no, no, no, but I'm a huge, I'm a huge fan of Nicole. Get it fucking right.

Hold on. I'm a huge fan of Nicole. But like, but like, oh, I don't think you are. Oh, I am. She used to be like you and then she's flipped. Hold on. Hold on. We don't need to get. No, I'm just saying people in the political arena aren't calling for people to be sent to Guantanamo. Like, like- That's right, because guess what? They're all complicit in it. Even- You're right. Congress voted for this stuff. You are correct. People are- Who are wrong saying people like Nicole, people that are on the- Nicole wasn't a politician. She's a patent attorney for Google.

And by the way, I think she's been a warrior on this. I'm just saying like, you're being very selective here saying that- No, I'm not. I'm a diagnostician. I think a lot of people you support. Unlike your sister, I think, I'm the diagnosis. What's your hatred in your heart from my sister? You don't know her and she's not involved in this. I just think it's kind of weak that she quit and she doesn't have a big voice.

A big voice on this topic. Which topic? Bro, are you going to keep dancing? Wait, the videos on the vaccines? The videos that you have all the stuff he sent, but you. Yes, yes, I have everything. I have everything. Do you want to show them?

No, it's fine. I mean, there's a ton of videos of us talking about vaccines, and that's just inaccurate. Yeah, on the Rogan podcast specifically, the JRE episode, she did mention vaccines. And Megan Kelly and Megan Kelly and every. And so I talked about a lot of about Ozympic and other pharmaceutical drugs as well. Talked about the vaccine schedule in every podcast, but do you acknowledge that? Yeah, I've heard her talk about it, but not loud enough. She's talked more about fruit loops and glucose.

I don't think Casey's ever talking. And glucose monitors. I talk about fruit loops. and I don't think Casey has ever talked about fruit loops but where are we getting here? So I think that the point he's making, it's like maybe we come from a different angles. I actually really sympathize with what you're saying

on this revolutionary mindset. Like I intellectually am trying to think about like what could actually get done in the next 100 days and how to recommend things for that. And then, you know, being practical in that stand front isn't betraying the movement.

As far as what the people are asking for and what this movement is asking for, I think there's a battle right now to define what the Maha movement is about. And I believe that it was fueled by significant frustration from a broad base of the American people about a multitude of issues, including what you guys are talking about. Did the American public ask for transparency when the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor or when the Mossad ran two planes into the 9-11? What happened then? Hold on.

Did they want to counter? There's a premise. There's a premise. Mary, how many people have died from the jab by the estimates that you know? The low end to the high end. The numbers vary, but 500,000? So you're saying, what's the high end? The guy in Austria said it close to 17 million.

Right, right. Well, that's worldwide. So let's just, let's just say it's probably neither of those numbers somewhere in between. It's far more than that should be. We don't know. But, Callie, let me ask you a question. Because you said you have some plant because I don't want to send people to a I'll ask you a question. How many people died in World War II from the United States?

$457,000. Yeah. So we already have more people on the low end dead and you want to talk about fruit loops. No, no, no, no. What? That's not good faith, man. Oh, it's good faith. No, it's not good faith.

No, it's not good faith. Do you know that's not good faith or are you? No, I want to hear. I want to hear you adapt to the data and you're not. Hold on. If that is true. Because you're a big data guy. But you don't like this data.

No, I'm not a big data guy. Oh, yes, you are. I've heard enough of your podcast. Oh, like I cite data. Correct. Okay. But it's data that suits your ideology. Jack, and you've said this.

Is this stuff I'm saying really not in the service of what you're trying to say? No, it is. But you're not talking about the elephant in the room. I just told you what the elephant in the room is. Jack. We have killed more people in the last four years than we did in any world war we've been involved with. And you want transparency. to give my true yes because i do not think the american people are with you on that statement right now i

disagree because look if they were with and guess what i'm glad you said that why is this podcast you're going to get fact checked oh no no hold on hold on if do you think that the american people are with you that the covid jab has been a bigger issue than what we're to the covid jab's significant that should be pulled yes from the market not even not not even an inkling doubt then i strongly support And I'm not being facetious here at all. I strongly support your voices being heard and being part of a policymaking process to bring that to light and to have swift and immediate decisions based on that data. Like, like, you're pinning me down on like making. I'm not trying to pin you down.

I'm trying to point out. I think it's almost like you're tone deaf. You just said on Danny's podcast that you are so happy with Trump's picks. If you go on Twitter, have you been on Twitter? Have you seen the kickback? Nobody likes his picture. Jack, Jack, Jack, you might be in too many dark spaces of Twitter, but that's not reality. Are there any good takes that he's made?

Yeah, Jay. The FBI. I like, I like, I like Koch Patel. Jack, maybe the places you hang out with on Twitter are different than other places. But I would agree that they're different than yours. Yours, I think, are very interesting. The only place I've been dragged into that's, that's, I think most America is from some of your stuff. A lot of them, I think Americans generally, would you agree?

I think there's generally a sense of possible in optimism in the country right now that we haven't felt in a while. Not anymore. I feel that. I do feel that. I do feel there's a sense of optimism. I do. Not in health. In general, I do. I would agree with you that Trump absolutely is a way better pick.

You know that I flew back here to vote for. Right, right, right. So that's not a question. My point, and I think you guys are both missing what me and Mary are saying since the picks have started to come out on the health side, I feel deflated. Yeah, no one is happy. Well, in your Twitter circles. Right.

Oh, okay. That's kind of rude. I mean, no, no, I think it's a little. But I think it's okay. No, I think it's a fair criticism. Let's just say, yeah. So you're saying that I don't represent most Americans. Right.

And we're the idiots. No, no. Jack, that's not what I'm saying. Hold on, hold on. We can't. We can't scream over jail. That's what I heard. I think that if you look, okay, let's just do the, the uptake of the COVID

shot. That's irrefutable. That represents. represents all of America, right? So if people believe in the government, they would follow the government directives and be lining up for their 11th booster. But they're not, Cali.

They're not. Which is good. No. Right, but it's a reflection of how America is your narrative straight out the water. It's a reflection of the mindset of America. Hold on, Jack, no. It actually, Jack, as a general,

we can talk about this as much you want, but like, like, it's almost. Because, dude, you know what? You know what? talking to you. It's like we're trying to dance and you don't move your fucking feet. And it's really frustrating. No, it's a gun to my head to say that everything needs to be pulled. You know what the problem is? You're a lobbyist, bro. Okay. That's your DNA. Jack. And that ain't going to change. That's, I realized that. Jack, what do you want me to say? Is there anything Callie could say that would help you feel differently?

No, not anymore. Nothing. I think he's done a good job in two hours and 13 minutes of actually, this I will say. Can you say something nice? Yeah. Thank you. I thought. On the acid test I had for him, on ignorance or fraud, I don't think he's a fraudster. I don't. But I think he's fucking incredibly ignorant. And I think his ideology, his previous history, his family history is a role here. No question in my mind about it. Now, how big a role that is, I still haven't defined that.

I still haven't defined that. But do I think... Is there anything he could do that would change your mind? Yeah, I think if he goes back to D.C. Because it's clear as a young man, this is what he's cut out to do. There's no question in my mind. I thought I wasn't a good communicator. No, I think you are a good communicator.

I just don't think, I think because of your ignorance on this issue, that you won't be effective. Okay, I think I am I agree on what your time. What is it possible for Kelly to do that would help people? He needs to go back and fucking wake some people up and say, you know what? Maybe, maybe the way we're. reading the room, maybe we're tone deaf. I think that's kind of what we're doing right now.

So as long as this episode doesn't get blown, you know, blasted off YouTube for some reason. Well, just put it on rumble. Yeah, no one fucking watches. Hold on. Jack, so you'll grant me, you'll grant me that potentially Casey and I in our hearts and heads care about this issue, started talking about it. I'm dealing specifically with you. I haven't dealt with your sister yet.

I care about this issue. I'm talking about it. It's very dark, very complicated. I'm very, Jack, I'm not sleeping. I'm so worried about this agenda getting subverted. Like, it's very high stakes and very, there's very bad people out there that are wanting President Trump and Bobby

did not be successful. Like, that's all I'm thinking about. And not that I even have that much of a role in this, it's just like, as a person that cares about this issue. So like, I'm with you on that. We might have different perspectives on it. as far, I don't know, maybe there's a difference on blowing things up. I mean, geez, Jack, I mean, I felt like what I was trying to say in the past couple of years

was, you know, pretty dramatic. I certainly was trying to communicate effectively. I don't think it was dramatic. I think people have been saying what you've been saying since Adkins. And guess what? And a lot of the people. It's not the message that resonates with America. It's not.

I mean, our book is sold well and people listen. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, but books selling well. You know how many books, 250 diet books are written every year. Jack. And yet, what happens? Every time we keep using non-native EMF, all the way back from 1893, Ian Hane's stuff gets worse and worse and worse.

Well, Jack, you're saying. If we don't make the accurate diagnosis, we're not going to solve the problem. Jack, you're saying the message hasn't resonated. I'm just like, maybe, I'm trying. I think most people. What do you want me to say? Like, you want me to be more radical? No, I want you actually take the data that Mary and I are bringing to you that more people have died.

Why are you picking on me on this? Like, why are, what's the, what's the fix? Because you're the fucking guy on Tucker, Carlson and Joe Roggan, bro. No, you don't get it, bro. What? I must not. This is, this is where I'm saying. This is where you get to be a fraudster.

I'm going to be honest with you. And, you know, I think that this podcast is going to polarize many people who look, Both that you, me and Mary. Can we stop talking meta about the podcast every second and just talk? No. I mean, you're on this meta. We've already talked. Let's go.

I've got, I've already got my answer. Okay. And what is that? I already told you. I don't need to repeat it for you. If you need to listen to, you can listen. Steve will send it back to you by email. Can I ask you, what prompted you to call Trump and Kennedy?

What was the... That there was a deep emotions watching Trump get shot? And I thought that there might be a rare window to spread unity that when traumatic things happen, it resets how people think about things. You were working with Kennedy at the time. You were on his campaign. My sister and I have been very loose, like with Kennedy. Like, we're, I think, really aligned on this message of the childhood chronic disease crisis and have shared some ideas with him, have gone on some podcasts. them have spoken at some of his events and haven't talked to him that much at all during the campaign. I just felt I from DC, I think we all, and maybe you honestly attribute more thought and

strategy to what people do than actually I see happening that when you're in a campaign or a high stake situation and things are happening so fast, you actually don't have like an opportunity to think about where you could actually go in a different direction. So I had a real strong sense from my experience that maybe there was a different road to go after the shooting. You know, when COVID, I mean, pharma was ready. Farma was ready during COVID to insert an agenda. When these, when these unexpected things happen, you know, there's an opportunity to maybe reset the deck in a positive or negative way. So I was nervous, but I decided to just call him for 20 seconds and mention that.

And then he thought about it and ended up starting that conversation. I mean, that was a 20 second. Yeah, Kennedy. That was a 22nd conversation that I'm a very, you know, that was Kennedy, you know, just thinking about it and decided. And they had, you know, they ended up, I think, forming a really important bond. That was going to go to the grave. And then he mentioned that in a speech. I had no desire ever for that to be public.

And he mentioned that in his concession speech. And then we shared some ideas with him during the campaign. And then that's pretty much it. I mean, like, yeah. Are you going to get a job in the new administration? No. Kennedy has been the most outspoken person in the past on these vaccines in this country. Not now, though.

And he wrote the book about Fauci, which is literally all about this stuff. Right. It's a great book. Fabulous book. It is a great book. Yeah. But you can tell that he's been... And why do you think, why do you think specifically that he has changed his tune? That's pretty obvious. I think it's the lobbyist from Big Pharma. That's, remember, they said at the cantalon effect, the highest. The, the, the people that... You think that he's taken money from Big Farm? No, no, no. I don't think it's, he's taken money from it. I think that they are so powerful that they're bringing the forces to bear about what can be done politically or not. That's where I actually agree with him that this has become a political issue and it's not

a medical issue. And see, the thing that underpins all this is what you and I talked about on our podcast. It's the bankers. The bankers are the ones that pay for all this shit. And until we fix that problem, now here's the one thing we haven't talked about. The fact that both Bobby and Trump are big into Bitcoin as the reserve asset, let me tell you some, I actually think that is the thing that really fixes more than anything Bobby can do at HHS now. I don't even think it's, it's, I don't think he's going to be successful at all.

Can I, so totally disagree with you on what you said about Bobby, but on the, on the macro dynamic of the lobbyists and these dark interests forming the realms of acceptable debate. I think we do agree on that. I mean, that, that's a real concern. I think, you know, we have. in health this kind of, they call the healthcare economy. It's like, it's like already, you know, you see this pressure. It's like anything radical to actually change the health part. Oh, it's going to hurt jobs. It's going to do it. I mean, it's really complicated, really nefarious. I, to me, to me. I don't think it's that complicated. Can I tell you why? Let me just tell you why. Yeah, I might agree with that. In five years, who Kelly changed everything in El Salvador.

So you would say, okay, that's one guy. It's different. But let me tell you something else that Everybody at this table knows. A guy just got elected in Argentina who had a hundred year problem with communism, and he's fixed things already in six months. You know what the problem with D.C. is? The problem in D.C., nothing fucking gets fixed. I agree with that. Right. So guess what?

You know why nothing gets fixed? It's because nobody's willing to do the hard work. Like, when you have a tumor and you're taking it out or I have a tumor, we're willing to do the hard work to get it out. Okay? That's what we have. This messenger RNA story is a tumor and that we have to put our time and effort into fixing that one problem. And we need to do it well because when we do it well, then we can apply that to other problems. And that's the way it should be done.

I agree. How do you suggest they get this message to the forefront of the people? His message? Yeah, what he just said. How would you go about it? I don't know if that's a message. I think what you just said is true. I think what you said is something I'm dealing with, which is that I believe that something really positive happened during the campaign and people were woken up on health. And it actually my and why I called and what my framework has been and what if I have had any master plan, what it's been, it's been that to weaponize and make change with what we're all saying.

And I think what we actually agree with on general principles on where health needs to go, it needs to be politically important. It needs to be politically popular. People need to see it as a politically important voting block. We already have that. No, the problem is. No, Jack. Campaigns are one with talk. No, Jack.

Hold on. You want to win people's hearts, actions. I'll be quick. I'll be quick. It's not. Health has not been a politically important issue. People vote on issues like guns, abortion, like really hot topic issues. I do believe the Maha movement made health actually a voting issue.

Yeah, but Callie, I disagree because guess what? The issue right now for the United States is COVID. That's a health issue. I agree. I'll be 30 seconds. So the MAHA, would you agree? You are, you are again redirecting here. That's the problem we have with you. Okay. Well, just speak for yourself, but okay. The MAHA movement catalyzed, I think, a new coalition of voters that came to President Trump, first time women voters, independence. I think Bobby Kennedy and the MAHA movement had an impact on the campaign. That gives political currency. And this isn't anything about Trump or anyone. This is just politics. That gives political currency to actually get something done. Now, exactly as you said, you have to bash your head against the wall against this crazy, corrupt, ingrained bureaucracy to get anything done. And it's much, much, much harder. The campaign was great. I think it was really positive. It's much, much harder now to get something done. And it seems like maybe this debate or this whole question is like, should we be giving up on Bobby and Trump on the health agenda because it's going to get hard. It absolutely is going to get hard. And I think ideally, we're all supportive and not, you know, kind of all.

I don't think we're giving up on them. What I'm saying is campaigns are talk. We need action. Mary has been, she said it several times. We need heads on the platter and the appropriate heads. We don't need a lower level guy. We need Fauci's head on the platter. And based on who he has appointed, other than Bobby, other than Jay Poticharya, it deflates

my hope that actually something's actually going to happen. You don't have very many, you know, strong-willed, outspoken people who have been appointed. to the health positions. And I love Jay Batacharya, but he's a little on the, you know, in terms of how much outspoken and how he's on the more cautious side. And, you know, we don't have anybody who's just out there saying COVID shot should be pulled off the market, even though there's lots of support for that. If you want to, you know, lots of doctors.

The data supports it. The data support. Right. Forget about people's opinion. And there's people that supports it. Historical precedent. Like, if you, if you're a lawyer, historical precedent matters. we pulled the swine flu after a couple of deaths.

We have, by the estimates we just talked about, 550 to 17 million. You name it. Guys, we've talked about this 50 times. I'm not standing in your way of any of this information getting out or that policy getting done. I think it should get out. I don't know what you want from me. It is not my issue.

I'm being educated on it. I fully support that information getting out and that being part of a policy process for any pharmaceutical product that's killing a bunch of people. Generally, I think politically it's important. I absolutely not coming out with ideas on food bans. I think we should have mass transparency. I think start with that from a tactical perspective. I think if a drug is killing millions of people or hundreds of thousands of people,

we should have that information out immediately. You guys should not have your voices silenced. I think that's why Elon and free speech is extremely important to this. And I think nobody's saying your way on that. I'm certainly not. Like I don't know what you want. So is this the first time you've heard the COVID shots are killing millions of people? You're acting like it.

Killing millions. Or just, you know. But you've never heard that before. Let's just say, let's be more. The risk outweigh the benefits of the COVID shot. Is this the first time you've heard that? Well, I think personally that they do. And I think it's insane to give them the kids.

I haven't gotten, you know, boosters or anything. And, you know, I think that's step one. I think there should be absolutely no mandates. So how did you come to that conclusion? You talked to your sister? Yeah, yeah. I mean, we're all, you know, yeah. Did you take the shot?

General Public. Did you take it? I took the first time. So let me ask you a question. Hold on. Wait a minute. Now we're going to get to the doctor. And then I haven't gotten boosters. That's fine. Do you know about Kevin's data that he just. Guys, guys, I am super distrustful. No, but I mean, but I'm saying do you know. No, we forget about that. Don't go. Don't go. Don't go where you think I'm going to go. No, no, I don't. 60 billion copies of DNA plasmids and SV40 promoter in it. So I want you to just, you know, you're, a normal guy. Yeah. You're not a science guy. Right. Somebody told you that you had 60 billion promoters in your body doing shit that you didn't know about. Do you understand why as two guys sitting across the table? And I'm telling you that the guy who did this used to work in a human genome project.

He was sitting here talking to Danny about it, not that long ago. And that episode's been pulled by the power. How does that be? Crazy. Right. So what I'm trying to really get you to understand, do you understand that I and Mary and your sister have to advocate on behalf of people that have that problem? Do you think that's reasonable?

Do you understand why, when we question you about it and what Mary just said to you, Callie, do you know what you took? What? The jab. Do you know what you took and do you know what you got? Bad. But yet, you're not willing. I don't think, are you saying you're not willing, though?

You're not willing to what? To pull the jabs, to make a statement. I am not, make a statement to pull the jabs? Yeah. Very easy. It's very easy thing to say. And that's what we don't understand. But no, but nobody, like, no, I'm not.

So you're okay that you got 60 billion copies of SV40 in you. Is that what you're saying? No, I think it's, I think it's really, really concerning. I think it's a general. Is it concerned? Jack, I can say this. Jack, just let me just answer your question again. I am taking the same position as Trump and Bobby and many other people that are trying to figure out a way to absolutely dismantle the pharmaceutical and sick care incentives that have led to this

catastrophe of the COVID response, including the COVID vaccine rollout, and I think a wider issue of our sick care system. My answer to you, if you're asking for my policy recommendation. No, I'm asking you for you as a human. I'm not taking another COVID jab. And do you think it's ethical for a doctor knowing that there's 60 billion copies to put that into another human being? I think that if what you are saying, if what you are saying is true, then no, I do not think it's ethical. If what you were saying is true. See, it wasn't that hard, Callie. If what you were saying is true. Hold on. I made a quote. If what you're saying is true. If what you're saying, I already know it's true.

What's your reluctance to get another shot? What's that? What is your reluctance to not get another shot? That. Based on what? It's a good question. Yeah. And I think it's a fair one.

The risk reward. Okay. The risk reward. I guess my interpretation of the risk. Would you recommend that your dad get the COVID shot? No. Would you recommend your child get the COVID shot? Absolutely not.

So who would you recommend that why do we need to keep these COVID shots on the market? So, so guys. I'm not evil for saying this. Let's just back up. Not evading. There's a couple different levels. There's let people make their own decisions with full transparency. Now, I think that's very evil in a lot of ways because our system is fucked beyond recognition with the.

So I get that. I get that. I get that's actually what you probably think. No, what I'm saying is in her hospital. Yeah. Remember what she said? Yeah. Her hospital, they're mandating.

Which is crazy. So there's the, what the minimum is. is full transparency and let people make their own decisions. I actually, probably like you, am a libertarian, and I honestly think deregulation on drugs, as long as there's full transparency, let people experiment with anyone to experiment. I'm generally a support of that.

Now, I get that, now, I kind of have this problem with food. You know, I get attacked for, you know, oh, your nanny state, you want to ban these. I'm like, the ingredients that are in the food is totally a construct of a very corrupt system in correcting the corrupts. So you probably feel me saying like, you probably feel me saying like, just let people make their own decision is not correcting for the incredible injustice. But that's one area you can have.

That's decentralization. We have to have that. I think any type of mandates are completely unacceptable, particularly on this issue. You have to have that. And I think everyone's aligned with the insistence of absolute truth and transparency and no mandates. Like that, okay. Then you get to a situation where you have truth and reconciliation. and transparency on this being a bioweapon,

on this being really killing people, on this being totally misled. My personal opinion, if you're asking from a macro policy perspective, and I could be wrong on this, this is my opinion, is that we're not at that point of absolute utter ban. And actually the principles, probably that we actually agree with on a lot of degrees,

is more of a libertarian full transparency and let people make their decision with no mandates. So what I, again, I am not standing, and Jack, we're having, connecting. I don't get why you're tweeting hundreds of times about me. Like, like, I'm not standing. I am truly, Jack, look at me. Hold on. We're not fighting. I think we're connecting. I, I am not trying to stop progress on any of this. Okay, this is what I want to say. I'm not. That's my opinion. I think we're not quite there at a full ban. Okay. All right. I know. Because, because going against mandates is a very

safe thing to say right now. It was not safe when I said it. When I said it, I tweeted about in 2021. You've picked out some of it. I have. I actually have tweeted about mandates at 201. I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm just saying that the paradigm has shifted. Because at one point, it was very dangerous to say, eliminate, you know, mandates are wrong. That's what I got canceled for. That's what Methodist went after me. On one day, I tweeted 25 times vaccine mandates are wrong over and over again. And then five days later, five days later, you know, next thing I No, I've been suspended. Isn't it suicide for these folks to literally ban something that was mandated two years ago?

Isn't that suicide? Yes. No, because they have liability. They actually have liability. Where the issue comes in is the RICO case. Right, exactly. That's the difference. For sure.

But so now, I guarantee you five years from now, you'll be, you'll be say, oh, yeah, those COVID shots are really bad. We should have taken them off the market a long time ago because the paradigm is going to continue to shift because we are not giving up. I mean, I am, I'm just going to. louder and louder and louder and louder. And especially, you know, it'll be very interesting to see once Trump takes office because I can guarantee you there's so many people that went along just to get Trump in office. And if he disappoints, it's going to be a big deal. People are going to completely freak out. I would say that there's been a very positive coalition that's come together that could redefine American politics who's very focused on Malha issues that include getting the corruption out of our pharmaceutical systems. I think that's a great opportunity to, yeah. Sorry to interrupt. Yeah, and it's very clear, especially with people like you who have been outspoken with it, and I think it's a very good thing that you're doing this, and you've garnered a ton of attention

on X. I mean, you have like over half a million followers on X. And meanwhile, simultaneously, you cannot be found on YouTube. I think that speaks volumes. Yeah, exactly. I've been canceled. And I have these videos that run on other platforms, but I was quickly removed off of YouTube. Which I think is unacceptable. And anti-science. But it fits. It's the world we live in. It's normal. I doesn't even bother me now because I'm just like, Oh, yeah, of course. It doesn't even, and that's sad. It's normalized. I think anything, obviously, anything that the powers that be that you have a lot of distrust for, both you guys and should, are like preventing the American people and infantilizing them from asking questions about is a huge, huge red flag. And I think, you know, not just with health, but what, you know, Trump is talking about with this, you know, Elon and everything.

It's like, it's like getting more sunlight out. I think, you know, again, like, Jack, I'm not saying I'm not aware of the crazy forces and the huge. reasons to be pessimistic, but like I do think the first I'm giving you more credit now because you are walking a very fine line. Don't don't think that I don't understand that. Okay. I'm not, I'm not looking to harpoon your reputation over that. I get the fact that this is a very, very fine line for you. If I was in your shoes and I wasn't a doctor, I could see your perspective clearly. I think what I came here really to find out, was that truly who Cali means was or not. Now, the thing is, I think you could have gotten around this much, much easier than we did

today if you actually would have said that. Now, remember, I respect you for you running your own race because that's what I teach my my customers to do. But I need you to always be mindful in the future that talk about the big elephant in the room. Let's not just talk about our ideology. Like I didn't talk about some of the ideology that I have about this whole thing because to be honest with you, this is where Mary and I are very strongly aligned. The vaccine is the biggest issue today. I tell my people it's always about artificial light and non-Aative EMF and big tech, but she's right. Jack's not here talking about that. It's the vaccine and the amount of people that have been killed by it. To be honest with you, history will be written someday about what

some of us did. And I'm just going to tell you, Kevin McKearinen is an absolute hero. Philip Buckholz is hero. But I'm going to let you know, there's people out there that you're acquainted with that got them the data they needed to have this story come out. And those fuckers in Washington, D.C., they're going to pay a price for it. Sooner or later, they're going to pay a price. And the people that really made this decision? I don't think they will. But, I think they're going to. Jack, so, you know, okay, there's, I see it as this coalition of many different perspectives coming together. And I think you guys, and one of the reasons I want to come here is because, you know,

and I appreciate connecting with you. I knew your heart was just totally fighting for your patience. That was so clear to me. And I think you, in my head, you share a similar desire I have, which is we're warriors in trying to. And Jack, I know in many places your heart, you're, you're, I, I, You've suffered a lot. You've been, you know, taken a lot of arrows much more than I have and are fighting for this. I've seen myself as one person, not supplanting anything, but just trying to help.

And I think one way, you know, this can really be positive is to wake, you know, and as many people as possible up. And, you know, I don't think we should have incremental change. But I think, you know, I think you guys would probably agree with it. We got a shot like in the next two years. I think if we don't get some progress. and I believe it's more holistic. I don't. I think it's all COVID. But if we agree with that, if we agree with that, then how do we get there?

And talking about it as aggressively as you're talking about it in the first day is not necessarily, you can grant this. There's a separate between what the goal is and what the strategy is. So you're saying that because I'm not aggressively going, it might not be the right strategy to tell. on day one to put everyone in Guantanamo Bay and mass bans to achieve the result that you're looking to achieve. That's what I would just ask you. Like, I think there is a difference. And I believe that in your guys head that me thinking about the strategy is a sign for suspicion. There's no question.

But you have a different goal than we do. No, no, no. I don't know. I actually don't know if that's true. Did we convince you? No, no, hold on. Well, actually, we shouldn't have to convince them. What should really convince you is hopefully Danny gives you the Kevin McKearinen podcast

and you listen to what he says in there. Well, can I be honest with you? I am focused on, I mean, what drives my passion is talking about a multidimensional front on kids that includes a richer and richer data points. That's what I'm passionate about. I'm not passionate about going in podcasts and arguing that one thing is more important than the other. And I do, and we've talked about this, I do think that, you know, what's happened to ultra-processed food with kids is a really important issue. I'm not trying to even stack-rank that.

The book actually very importantly says food is very important, but it doesn't stack-rank. It actually says there's a multidimensional threat. I do think. No, no, no, well, so I would say. You can't back away from it. It doesn't have the word vaccine in it once. And it was written during COVID. That true? It doesn't have the word vaccine in it once.

It doesn't. I read it. I can tell you. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. The book was turned in, yeah, like before, like, 2021, 22. The book, the book absolutely, and this isn't like some secret, like, strategy. It's like we didn't want to talk about the COVID vaccines in the book. That wasn't even discussion I had with anyway. It's just like that was not the purpose of the book. It's an off-limits discussion.

No. It was never told. It was never told. It was not nothing with him. It was not now. Never discussion with me and Casey. Never discussion with people who do podcasts Hold on

If you want to have a career Hold on Okay sure Never discuss with me and Casey Never a Discussion with the publishers Self-centric I don't know

But like I would say You know That wasn't what we were trying to write about Like we were trying to make We were trying to write a book For a parent Who is totally In the dark

About this shit And we talked about this That that book could be a gateway. I think our book's probably been a gateway for people, like, probably hopefully going more down the rabbit hole and like listening to your guys stuff. Like, I think there's a lot of overlap. Like, that was the purpose of the book. The purpose of the book is that I read some other books and kind of started going down the rabbit hole. And I'm more down the rabbit hole now. So like that book, that was the purpose of the book. It was not a deliberate

thing not to mention. But again, I think it talks a lot about pharmaceuticals. And I do think the book is a gateway, you know, as part of big it's happening with many things. So if that book, leads people to follow you and and leads people on a journey, I can tell you, I think it has actually opened the door for a lot of people on a journey. And it's not a journey to love vaccines and trust the medical system. So, so that was the goal on that. As far as what I'm passionate about, like, I just can't emphasize this enough. Like, I want you guys to get the message out. Like, we should have these conversations. I think, I think the tactical, I think, it goes to your point about DC. My personal opinion is you can get a couple big things done.

This is my thought. There's got to be some really big wins that are really visible and really quick on this impugning this idea of our sick care system. And then as winds pile up, there's an 80,000 person department, and we can hopefully get good people in there and they can do bureaucratic things to unwind the deep state along with the vague, along with Elon. And I think there's a very optimistic mission there. My personal opinion is if you go day one and to lock everyone out going Donimo, it's actually going to subvert. I would actually potentially argue if you want to be conspiratorial to that you're the one that's actually trying to subvert at exactly what you're trying to get done. And you know what? I respect your opinion of that, but here's where I know you're

dead wrong. Okay. I might do. I got Buckelly and Malay as proof that it's right. Well, he's a dictator. He's a dictator. He's a done. Well, it's a little bit less democratic checks and norms. Yeah. How can you say, how can you say that when he got to be? He's a lot. How can you say that when he got 90% of the vote. I think he's great. I'm just saying there's a little bit of less checks there and, you know, fine. But I would say there's less checks of the United States. Jack, Jack, Jack, we're looking at each other.

I know you agree with this. Like, I think it's a little bit you're heading the sand say, well, if the only they just accepted my constitutional amendment. That's what you're saying. Oh, I'm not. What are you saying? They did it without the constitutional amendment. That's the whole point.

Jack, like, Jack, look, like, they slashed and burned government. Jack. closed places down that needed to be closed down. Jack, Jack, I am like... They didn't have a discussion. They didn't wait for transparency. Jack. They cut the cancer out.

You have been very effective. If you wanted strategize, not that I could even offer you that much, like, your idea should get out there. Like, I fully support that. Like, nobody's standing in your way. Like, I don't think anything I've done has in any way stood in your way. Like, like, I, you know, absolutely will listen to this podcast. I think, like, it is actually exciting listening to you guys talk.

and like the idea of in the next year, more truth getting out there. Like, like, I support that. And to Callie's point or to the point that was made about the book, not having vaccines mentioned in it or not having the COVID shots mentioned in it, whether it was intentional or not, that is definitely something like if that was a book that I was writing, that is something I would absolutely think about, whether I want the book to get out there,

get picked up by a publisher and gain any sort of success. I know that if I talk about that, there is a way higher chance that that thing is going to get hit the chopping block and not get out there. Like I said, I don't know if it was intentional. And the honest, the honest truth is that's, it's definitely the truth for this. Is it was like, like, like, you know this. Like, you guys, because like I am absolutely trying to communicate these concepts as effectively as I can. Never have I been like I can't talk about.

I can give you that pass. I don't know if I can give your sister that pass. I'm going to be honest with you. She's a doctor. there's a difference. Like, I don't expect a lobbyist who went to Stanford and Harvard to really understand the ethics of this issue. Yeah, yeah. But me and Mary, on the front lines, no.

Look, when you see people dying from this, no, I'm sorry. Well, listen, Casey can defend herself when, if she chooses. But I'd say in the realm of doctors who have, you know, kind of tried to speak out and shed light on the industry, you know, you guys are very, very out there. you know, I'd say Casey's far along on the spectrum too. I mean, she has been disinvited from a lot of the cocktail parties and has definitely gone and gets the system and has been on her journey and is trying to communicate in her way that I believe is very spiritually based and has impacted and connected with a lot of people in a way that's not in any way contradictory or not overlapping with what you guys are trying to say, honestly. So, you know, that's my, that's my opinion. on that. I think just again, we have a passion to try to articulate this overarching thesis about the sick care system. And I think Casey, you know, she was in the front page article just a couple weeks ago attacked by the New York Times as being anti-vax. Like, she's published a lot about vaccine liability. So it's just like, it's just not even. It's just not even true. If you Google New York Times Casey vaccine, I mean, she's literally, you know, so like she's out there.

She's taken, she's taken some hits. So like, it, I mean, if, we're together here, Jack. I mean, you can do whatever you want. Listen, I torment doctors. I've actually become friends with some of them. Like, you know, I actually think the dialogue, too, but I'm not trying to build a consensus with that. I don't get why you are doing hundreds of tweets.

It's just kind of like, you know, I don't know. I think in your heart, I told you the reason why. I think in your heart you are fighting for the right thing. I don't want to get into motivations. But it's just like, whatever. This is where I'm coming from. I just I just I guess I only fight for the truth

good and I think you have a record of that I mean I think some of it's out there but you gotta be a little out there to fight for the truth I said whatever everyone's got their own tactics I think the macro like the macro thing here maybe what's like applicable to most listeners is like I think you guys are hearing this question of like

I don't know like are we in a time of optimism for health I don't think we're a merry or optimistic anymore or not that's what I said I mean, you and Danny, the table is definitely seesawed. Your way. We're not feeling it. I don't know.

Whatever. Yeah. Steve, is it behind a paywall? I think in the first hundred days, we're going to find out if who's right on this. Oh, oh, you might be. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Whatever.

Which one is it? Trump's transition team. Yeah, it's like Casey's an anti-vax. It was like a couple weeks ago. Type in Casey means anti-vats. It's fine. I'm just saying. It's fine.

You know we've spoken about this, and I feel like you're, I don't quite. I think you've spoken about it, but I need this to be your top message. So that's never going to happen. Okay, let me tell you why. Hold on. Hold on. No, you don't have to tell me. You already told me for two and a half hours.

No, no, I get it. But do you not grant that me communicating and trying to communicate, which could totally evolve, but a multidimensional. I think I can buy you not doing it, but I can't buy you. you not doing it, but I can't buy your sister. But why? Like, it's getting the same answer. Like, why, like, getting people bought into this system being totally rigged against us.

And do you disagree with what my foundational goal in life is from a policy perspective, which is that 95% of medical funding right now, medical spending is on interventions after we get sick, basically to drug? And we should free that up to have people experiment about exercise, about late, about whatever. That's my goal. I'm actually totally different than you. I want the whole system blown out. Great.

Like, I don't, I don't even want to talk about the system. Decentralize. Yeah. Like, like, I don't.

You're probably more, but like that is like, I don't. I'm not interested in that. That is, um, that is what I'm trying to do to. So,

like, probably indifferent. But like, so you're telling me that you're not satisfied unless, well, let me ask you, because I know you're very close from the cold. That's not her message.

Like, that's not other people's message. Why aren't you that hard on her? I mean, The thing is I don't tweet. Nicole has publicly stated that the COVID shot should be pulled off the market. She has. She is on Twitter.

I'm just giving an example. Nicole. I'm just giving an example. Like, if you ask Nicole or Jake, my first two encounters with Nicole, you'll find out that I treated you with kid gloves. I was brutal to her. Good. This says Casey was floated to be the, go out. To be the head of the what?

The FDA. Okay. Yeah, just, you guys, it's fine. Yeah. There's a New York Times article that's in her newsletter. She questioned vaccines. I'm just saying, like, like, Casey has, you know, I don't know, like, we have a thesis. Yeah, but she has.

Do you even disagree? Do you even, like, do you even, like, do you even like, like, I know you have. I think we all said we agree. We already agree. So what's the problem. I told you what the problem is. Your problem is your sister, even though she doesn't have a license. She's a doctor.

And guess what? Those people that have the MD, more is want. I give you the pass because you know what? You're just there. I don't have you completely, sorry, but you do have a gigantic microphone. And you have the ear of Kennedy and Trump and your whole thing is health. So I do, I'm not giving you a pass. But I guess Casey has a little more because she is a doctor. But if you didn't have this big platform, we wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't give you any trouble whatsoever. Listen, I think this is a great conversation.

I just say for everyone, like, everyone needs to be on their own thing. And I think actually outside agitation and disruption and criticism, frankly, it's what I feel like I've been doing in the past couple years. Like, I think it's fine. I also don't think you need to, there's any more obligation to be supportive of anything. And so it's just like, it's just like, I think that there's an, this sounds woo-woo, but this is what I think. I think there's an energy to this movement around Maha. and the more every part of the coalition could just be like just trying to make it successful.

I hope you're right. To be honest, I hope you're right. And I could definitely. But Jack, like, of course in a year. You could be tweeting about how stupid I was and saying this is all my job to subvert it. No, it could definitely get subverted. But like we're at the moment right now

where I think there's a lot of optimism in the country. So like, I'm just saying like, you know, the energy kind of different. dictates that too. Like, like, like, I think a coalition came together and an energy on this issue came together that more than the media understands. Like, I actually think, like, a lot of people have been really woken up. And I think the campaign Maha message was very positive. Like, it was very, like, optimistic. And I think if that could be translated into wins for President Trump and we can be, like, positive and organized and not immediately distrustful, of course,

there's going to be decisions we don't fully support, right? It's like, you know, you know, on the person, but like, like, this is a team that's ready to execute the President Trump picked. You know, Bobby's in there. Nobody's controlling Bobby. Um, you know, there's a real sense of optimism and positivity. And, and, and, and I got to say this. There's a, there's a desire to get ideas and thinking and big ideas from, from everyone. And I know you're talking to people. It just, you know, I, it's very, I'm not, I'm not interested in the United States just so you know. It's very imperfect, but it's like, I don't have the interests. Like incentives dictate. outcomes. My incentives aren't for the United States, my friend. When you're decentralized,

my interest or where Mary's are in the office with the patient. And you're not worried for that. This situation affected every single American, right? It's a gigantic problem and it's being swept under the rug. That is why we are so riled up and so passionate and so mistrustful because it affected every American. It didn't obviously affect you as much as. Mary, I've shown my heart is. I've shown my heart is. I'm not trying to stay. Why? Because you got on a podcast and said, I took 60 billion copies and I'm okay with it. No, no, no, no. No, I'm not the same okay with it. No, I'm saying you're okay with it. You rolled your sleeve up. You complied. I mean, what I'm saying to you as a guy who's a lobbyist, who knows how bad the actors are. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Right? Oh, if you want to get into my specific. No, no, I don't want to get into it. What I'm trying to say to you is to prove her point. That's how successful the propaganda was. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why this is an issue for everybody in America. Right. Even Cali Means fell prey to this with your message. I would think that after this podcast,

that maybe you would reflect a little bit on that and say, you know, maybe I should have talked a little bit about this issue and what that means that one time. Like, you know the saddest outcome for this podcast is? I don't want, no, listen to me. I don't want to see what happened to your mom happened to you. I certainly do not want that outcome for you. And the thing is, I need you to understand that that outcome, based on Kevin McCarron and science and confirmed by multiple labs, that's a real risk for Calibine.

It's not a small risk, a pretty fucking big risk. and you did a good job in this podcast saying, yeah, I'm not doing that again. I'm not letting my family do that again. So that's a good thing. It means that you took your punch in the mouth and learned the lesson. But what you have to realize, as the lobby is talking to two doctors, that our job is to advocate for our patients. And when we see somebody floating more on the political side, you need to understand where we're coming from. Well, I told you.

I know you're hard and, you know, we've connected today. I think you're... I think we've made some progress. Conspiratorial. But I think I am coming because it is super reasonable and I think it's high stakes. And where do we go from here? You're going to go back to Trump and tell him that he needs to take the shots off the market. Trump, like Casey has not even been involved with this really.

I'm going to tell you the bare minimum. This is what I would say for me. I think that you need to talk about. I think Danny needs to get your copy of McCarinen's. And then what I'd really like for you to do is you stewing those tomatoes for a while and really understand what it means. You have my commitment on that.

You have my commitment on that. I don't like this gun to my head of telling me what my message should be. You already got the gun to your head. In fact, you shot yourself in the brain. And you know what does that mean? Because she took the job. Well, let me, yeah, let me be clear about this. I think you could judge me for that.

This is right after, this is right after. I'm actually trying to tell you as a doctor. Yeah. That I don't really think you understand truly what you did. You're actually making me. I mean, it was evil. My mom was going to die in the COVID, you know, protocols. We weren't getting to see her.

You wouldn't go see or anything. And then we were getting pressured. Right after he died, we were scared about seeing my dad. And, you know, like, yeah, it was like a whole, it was crazy. And I'm just going to tell you. The reason I brought up what I brought before your mother, because you need to hear this, you do need to look at the death certificate. I guarantee you that Stanford, no, I'm going to tell you to say it's public.

Don't worry about it. You have to, your sister should do this, and then get the EOB for your mother. And you're going to find out that Stanford upcharged her. Oh, yeah. Unbelievable amounts because of COVID. So guess what? That is something for you and your sister to set the record on. We talk about that.

Well, it's crazy. You need to go look at it and then start asking the question, what the fuck? Also, we've talked about Kevin McKearinen quite a bit, but I don't think we've really alluded. So the elevator pitch of like his background is, he sort of blew the whistle on when he got his hands on some vials of the actual Pfizer vaccine. And he discovered in his lab that there were DNA plasmid contamination inside of... Not just that. The SV40 promoter. Right.

And if you go look at the FDA, it was never. disclosed to the FDA. In fact, it was taken out with a molecular tool so that the FDA couldn't find it. Right. And so the FDA never knew about this and then found out about it later. And it turned out, Kevin was the one that pointed it out that the evidence was actually in the data, but they didn't, they didn't talk about it. And Kevin is a super reasonable guy. I mean, he's got a really strong background in this stuff in DNA and the human genome project and he comes he he has a very reasonable approach to this thing the way he lays it out it's very compelling and it's he's simply just stating data he's not like he has no he's not incentivize right right good god

you have okay so let's like you have my absolute commitment we are all on a journey I've been on a journey for years on this issue spurred by Casey's journey like the habit hole goes deep. Everything should be questioned. Like if what you guys are saying is true, which is like, you know, this is, this is paradigm shifting crazy, not crazy as in you guys are saying, but like crazy information. I mean, I don't, I think it should be, yeah. Callie, I want to say something to you said, I hope you take this the right way. You know why this is, for me, this is from a doctor to you. Yeah. You have your mother's engines in you. Your mother died it's 71 years old and you took a jab that has 61 billion copies of SV40 in it.

Do you know truly what that means? Because I don't think you do. And I want your commitment that you're going to go home and learn about that. And then when you learn about it and you find out that Mary and Uncle Jack ain't bullshitting you, that you talk about that from your perspective, not a policy perspective, not your wife's perspective, not Casey's. Callie's perspective about what it feels like, okay? Because I'm going to tell you, I just spent a weekend with Nicole Shanahan, and let me tell you something, her perspective about what's happening to her right now

and what she now knows and how sick she's been over this very issue. It's a big problem, my friend. So, Jack, let me speak personally for me. there's massive growing suspicion in my head and everyone's head with the level of obfuscation and lies and corruption that happened during COVID, including with the COVID vaccine and what you're saying is super alarming. You have my commitment that I am going to review that and think about it really seriously. That's all I'm asking you to do.

And that's for me. Nothing will surprise me. And I think one of the things I'm really optimistic about this time is that we can start asking questions and talk and and and and and and and and and and and and and and parents some paradigms, you know, and I think I think what we're talking about, you know, going against a, you know, unambiguous government recommendation. There's huge forces to to to, to, to not have that conversation happening that I'm very skeptical of. Well, you have to realize something that that Mary brought up earlier. The shot that you took is now being retooled. in flu shots now. Now it's being retooled in other shots. So guess what? The data that Kevin's got, you can't take another vaccine, my friend, because you're the first one you took. If you do, you are basically rolling the dice just like your mom did. Well, truly, truly, I mean, if we're a different place now, Jack, I mean, I'd be hoping. No, I'm just, I'm just warning you

as a doctor to a regular guy. Yeah. That you need to consider this because guess what? I think the more this gets real for you personally, then you're going to look at your wife. You're going to look at your children. You're going to start looking at everybody around you a little bit more differently, and you may realize why we're very concerned. I actually think that both of us care about you

more than you care about you. Thank you. So you're concerned about, I think it's 90% of the American people got at least one. 75%. You're concerned about every, like, ever. Yeah, but the interesting thing is where his family's from, it was over 90%. That's my concern.

I thought at least 90% got one. No. Overall, United States, she's right. It's around 75. But you're concerned about every single person that got. Well, no, I can tell you right now, Kevin's data, the things that we've been sharing, him and I have been going back and forth for a long time. This data is even worse than I thought.

I think the problem now is... I have my commitment to look deeply into that for myself, and it's obviously concerning. And then I truly, I hope you can see in my heart, like, want that data to get out and want you guys to be as successful as possible. And I think it's a criminal, and you've taken so many arrows, Mary, to, you know, speak your truth, which is a disgrace. But just remember, her truth is your truth now. You've been informed.

Thank you. that you're now a GMO guy. Yeah. That's the truth. Remember, when you say pharmaceutical stuff, I hear you. It's not a pharmaceutical. It's gene therapy. Okay.

You are just like Monsanto now. Jack, I'm with you. I hear you. I mean, do it not seem like an open line to person? I want to make sure that that magnitude hits you so you understand why we're saying what we're saying. I can see you have deep concern and they're saying that with concern and I hear you. And I hear the seriousness of what you're saying it. Listen, thank you guys very much.

We just did three hours. I think that this is really important that we did this. I think it was really cool that we all got together and got to some sort of consensus on our agreement. Whether we agree with each other's angles on approach or not, it seems like we all have the same overall goals. So again, thank you, Callie, for coming. I really appreciate it, Mary.

And then Jack, coming all there from El Salvador to do this. I got to go Christmas shopping. I know, you do, to hash this out. I think this is really important, especially for the people that are listening to it. So, um, so. Thanks. Thank you. All right.

Thanks, Danny. In that world.