Danny Jones Podcast - #311 - Palantir & DOGE are Building The Most Terrifying Surveillance System Ever | Shane Cashman

Episode Date: June 23, 2025

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Shane Cashman is the best-selling author of three books including Joyless Kingdom, The F**king Lunatic, and Tales From the Inverted World. He is a staff writer for Timcast News where he has profiled Kanye West, Alex Jones, Kari Lake, and Riff Raff. SPONSORS https://aura.com/dannyjones - Get a 14 day free trial. Enough time for Aura to start scrubbing your personal info off data broker sites. http://evening.ver.so/danny - Use code DANNY for 15% off your first order. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS https://shanecashman.comhttps://x.com/ShaneCashmanhttps://www.instagram.com/shanecashman Shane's YouTube channel: @TalesfromtheInvertedWorld FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Marilyn Manson's comeback 07:25 - Interviewing Kanye West 20:55 - Mountain Look Observatory & Jolly West 26:24 - Facebook whistleblower 32:09 - Zuckerberg's censorship regime 36:38 - Epstein binders 39:10 - Peter Thiel is weaponizing Christianity 47:50 - NSA & the surveillance state 53:37 - The technocracy 01:01:38 - Elon Musk 01:09:55 - AI drone warfare 01:13:52 - The dark side of Neuralink 01:22:10 - Tim Pool's podcast hijacked by CIA 01:33:45 - The Israel fetish 01:38:02 - The new military industrial complex 01:41:32 - What happened to the Trump shooter? 01:45:12 - Elon's control grid 01:57:19 - Telepathic communication 02:06:02 - MAHA 02:13:41 - Kanye is trying to rewrite the constitution 02:16:16 - Florida's death metal scene 02:20:06 - Drugs make the best music 02:24:35 - Is the government drugging us? 02:35:39 - Artificial clouds 02:41:21 - A violent U.S. civil war is coming Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Of course. I watched your episode. What did you think about that story he told? About Manson? About May perfect sense. That was before I met Manson. And so he met a different Manson because he met the Manson that was like, you know, into doing some wild stuff.

That's the manson I would want to meet. I don't really, that's like, I don't like, it's, I feel like that with all musicians, too. Even like Gucci man, I don't, I want the Gucci, the old Gucci before he went to prison when he was fucked up on drugs all the time. See, I liked, I like both. I like the old Gucci and I like the old Manson. but I'm happy that they're healthy now

and that they're getting like I still think Gucci's putting out good music and I still this record is one of my favorites of his but like yeah I mean 90s Manson is peak art for me that's how I grew up on that stuff yeah but his band is amazing he's got the drummer from Dillinger's Gay Plan Is that young dude Gil Chiron I think is his name on drums

you played on IR works on Dillinger amazing drummer so like live this band is insane It's the heaviest he sounded really like it's like the 90s is Manson but now with like people from bands I listened to like 10 years ago that were like in that scene with like horse a band and Dillinger and yeah good stuff I love it yeah he's like he looks he looks great he definitely looks skinnier it was a great show yeah he killed it live I was I was really impressed and the audiences it was like I think I saw his second show back after everything that's happened and he's been silent the whole time um so yeah yeah yeah there uh that that story Tom told just

sounded like a dream come true you know like I wouldn't need to my life would be complete after doing drinking tequila and doing coke with manson all night it's like the perfect the perfect way to meet that manson probably before like the real downfall he went through with everything like they they just attacked this dude yeah ruthlessly yeah for years and I don't know he he manson's the guy who kind of taught me at a young age to not trust the media you know like how how they came after him I'm 39 and when I was in eighth grade Colin happened and all of a sudden I'm like this person I listen to all the time is now like this devil news I'm like that's they're not they're portraying him in a totally different way um so from there

I'm like well I can't trust these people he's talking heads are trying to sell me on an idea that this person who I find his art like interesting and engaging that he's a demon who uh like made these kids kill people which is so do you think this is peak Manson or do you think do you think it's tough because I think there's different areas of Peak Manson I like I love mechanical animals I love Superstar. I love American, Portrait of American Family. They're all really good. There's some moments in there where we're not peak. We'll say that. You know, like, there were some times I'm like there's good songs, but the albums weren't great. But this is a really good album. I love this new album. I was telling you I was listened to it on the way here I'm going to give it another shot. It's great. It's heavy. It's huge choruses. It's, it's, it's saying something. Like it's his way. You know, I was upset for a while because I was writing about him during this whole like, oh, were you? When they were like trying to just cancel him, whatever. Yeah.

Yeah. from Richard Woodstuff. Is that when he sobered up during that whole period? I think so, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Probably sometime after, you know, they came after him.

But, like, I was thinking, like, why isn't this guy is the best at coming out and just speaking his mind and putting everyone down, you know? And he was quiet the whole time. I was upset. And I'm like, you know, I think now in retrospect,

his art is his greatest weapon. And that's what this is. Like, it might not be so blatant saying, you know, screw these people, you know, this and that, but he is definitely speaking out out against everything that happened to him and all these other people

I'm sure he knows that's happened to, you know. Yeah. So what was the out, what was the actual outcome of it? Because there's been no like big reporting on it since it's ended. It's like they settled. All the headlines happened when he got accused and then it kind of just fizzled out. She won in the court of public opinion, but she's a total liar fraud, you know, like she. Evan Rachel Wood.

Yeah. She, uh, she forged an FBI letter to get like, which eventually got to his house being raided. They took all his stuff in LA. Um, and she, she like, kidnapped her own kid, right, from her father. and took him to Tennessee because of Manson because she was telling the kid

like this guy's gonna get us so she was creating a boogeyman for her little kid which is abuse in my opinion the kids never met him you know he's no idea who Manson is but he's drawing pictures of this like monster that his mom is telling him about

so at the end I think he won it's just in the court of public opinion it's kind of like how it's always been for him right he did call him you can never win like you're all you've always lost once you had to go through that kind of stuff yeah yeah but no he seems also Awesome. Delachos are great, dude. I highly recommend it.

Really? Oh, yeah. I don't know if they're touring down here, but that'd be sick if they did. This is his home area, right? He was Florida for a while. Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Yeah, after Ohio, he went to Florida, yeah. You know what's funny? Did you see the guy out in the lobby repairing the computer? I did, yeah.

You want to hear a funny story? His dad was the manager of a furniture store in Fort Lauderdale and worked with Manson's dad at the furniture store. No way. They were both fucking furniture salesman. His dad sounded like a wild dude, like dressing up in kiss outfits and stuff. You know, like this is why we got Manson because his dad is like in the kiss army. Right, right, right, right. That's hilarious.

Yeah, I love that. But yeah, no, it's sick. But I think I think what happens now is like the fans understood what happened. And like they've been through so many cycles of whatever you want to call. I hate the word cancelization. It's just a dumb word now. It's like watered down like all these other words in the news. But he's been through it for so long and through all the battles that,

he won and he's like telling out Taurus now and killing it, killing it in Europe and all his stuff. So how did, for people that don't know you, you started working with Tim Poole a few years ago. And like, so you're like a journalist, sort of like music journalist. And then you started like participating in the podcast. Yeah. You did a piece on Kanye, like a, yeah, I've done a little bit of everything. Sort of like bio thing on Kanye. I was crazy.

I was a professor for a while, like for like almost 10 years. I taught like English and journalism and stuff like that. And I was also freelancing at the time as a music journalist and all types of stuff. I wrote about history and whatnot. I wrote for pitchfork a few times. And so I was kind of doing everything and not political stuff at all. But then like when lockdowns happened, I felt like I was going to puke if I didn't actually say what I was experiencing in New York, where I had a governor who was like a genocidal maniac, you know, murdering all these old people. So I had to say something and then I kind of like losing my job.

It can't be professor anymore because I'm refusing. to get the shot they want me to take, all these things. And so I quit and I had nothing lined up. But I had forgotten, like, six months prior, I applied to something that Tim said, right? And he had some, he had a show at night, and I didn't tune all the time. But I tuned in one day.

I'm like, oh, he's asking for a writer who does exactly what I was doing. Because I did a little bit of everything, true crime, weird conspiracy stuff, music, a little bit of all that. And so after I quit his professor job, a week or two later, Tim hit me up. I thought it was fake.

I was like, I'm so desperate. I'm going to just go to West Virginia. I forgot West Virginia was a state. I was like, that's a real thing. So I went down to West Virginia and I was hired that day. And so I started off just doing the Inverted World show, but it was like a serialized stories. You know, true stories about different events, you know,

conspiracies, ghost stories, paranormal stuff. That kind of morphed into books. And then that morphed into like me doing the weekly show. But throughout all that, I just had all these crazy opportunities because Kanye, came by that, what was it, like December, no, November 22. And it didn't go well. People probably remember.

Yeah. He walked out of the studio. Tim was like, I don't know what he was saying, but Kanye was not feeling it. And he got up and walked out. I happened to be there because Tim told me the day prior that was going to happen. And I've been like a giant Kanye fan. I wouldn't be a Kanye fan if I wasn't for a Manson fan, right? Because I see them as very similar in my mind.

They're both like, you know, testing the zeitgeist, constantly. Um, so I was there and, uh, he walked down after he walked out of the studio and I was right there. And I tried to get him to go back upstairs. I was like, yo, people want to know what you're talking about. Like, I believe what you're saying. Like it's crazy, but it's like, go up there and just tell people what you're saying. Uh, because, you know, it'd be great. He was like, not into it.

And, uh, then I'm like, I can tell by his body language, he just doesn't want to talk about that. That is done now. Whatever was upstairs in the studio. Yeah. Why did he actually walk out? It was something about like, I think Tim was rehashing. conversations he had had about, you know, like the

contracts and the Jewish lawyers that he had all week long about, like Lex Freeman. And I think he was like rehashing that and Kanye kept saying like, I don't want to talk about something like that. I forget exactly what it was. But when he left, you know, that's where the whole thing like, who is they though came from that conversation.

So it was like, it was pretty wild time. And he came downstairs and I'm like, all right, let's just talk about music. So we talk about music real quick. I bought up his opera that no one talks about, which is a great. He wrote a great opera. And he invited me to L.A. And I went out to L.A. And I spent the weekend with him going to church.

Going to church? Went to church. Went to Bible study. The first day we were at the Yeezy headquarters because I was just going to profile him. And I thought it was just going to be the one day. And I've been a fan of his for so long. Like in June of that year, I just tweeted out, like, I'm going to interview Kanye one day. And a few months later, it just like happened.

It was very bizarre. The CIA might be behind it. I don't know. Like, who knows how this happened. But I was out there for the day and we had a great conversation about politics, religion, parenthood. And it was like funny because the whole world was on fire because this is like the day after he was on Alex Jones and said, I love Hitler. So now the whole world's on fire. I'm in the airport as he's saying that.

And people are telling me not to go. And I'm like, there's no way I'm not going. Like I, this is important to me, but I want to hear like from him like what's this all about. I think my whole interpretation was it's like Andy Kaufman. You know, I think he means a lot of this stuff. But I know he loves. Hoffman? He was like a great performative comedian. Comedians kind of like

Oh, he was on SNL for a while, but he did a lot of, he was known for like a taxi. We're like he doesn't acknowledge that he's doing, like he's performing. No one knew. He just kind of like leans into it. So it's real. Yeah, no one really knew if it was a bit or not. Oh, this is, this has nothing. This is old stuff. Is that Andy Kaufman from the past? Yeah, that must be Andy Kaufman's there you go. I love Andy Kaufman. So, and I knew Kanye like Andy Kaufman. So I wanted to go and get his perspective on it. So it's like

funny though the whole world's on fire because of him you know Elon had just banned him off twitter all these things were happening but inside that headquarters it was like totally normal everything's fine we were laughing talking about art really it's just like i think i think there's more to this you know i think he's definitely coming from a place of honesty with a lot of it but a lot of it's also like i want to push every possible button right now and see what happens you know which is reminding me of like a man did he acknowledged this yeah when i asked him about that i said is this andy coffman he said it's andy coffman and bruce lee together. So we had a good talk, and then he invited me to go to church the next day, and I didn't think

that was actually going to happen, but he sent me the address, and I showed up. He shows up all alone. Oh, two guys. He had a driver and a homeless man that he picked up off the street. Wow. He called his biblical scholar. And straight up this dude. His biblical scholar.

A homeless biblical scholar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We sat next to those guys in church, and then I wrote some lyrics, and we just had a good time. And I thought that was it. And then I went home and wrote my story. And, uh, you know, people were not happy. Some people who were like, this guy, you know, is a anti-Semite for even talking to Kanye West. You, you're an anti-Semite? There's like a media matter. Aren't you Jewish? Yeah, I was raised Jewish. I'm Christian now, but I was raised Jewish. That's why I was talking to him out there because I'm like, you know, my experience growing up, I had a Catholic

dad and a Jewish mother. So I was raised like a real messed up, you know? And, uh, I'm like, what you're talking about a lot of people is so foreign to how I grew up, like, poor on farm. But I also understand like what you're saying because there's a lot of people in the industry who have power who treat you wrong. But I'm like, I'm just trying to say like it's also like this as well, right? But at the time I was actually like really thinking about being baptized. And I, you know, I had been since. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. After years of being militantly atheist. Wow. Oh yeah. Christianity's in vogue right now, man. It is. It's really, it's really, uh, what's a Zoolander line? It's really in right now. Podcast hosts are getting baptized left and right

on Instagram. I actually brought my, uh, holy water. We can do one. Oh, did you really? I know. No. I had a guy bring holy oil in here one time. But I was thinking about being baptized at that point. And for a year prior to me meeting Kanye, I'd done a podcast with a friend of mine. And I mostly talked about how I don't know how to pray. And I was really interested in praying. And I didn't know how I felt like a fraud praying.

And after years and years of just straight up mocking God all the time. Like, you know, it's just like an atheist and just didn't know any better. And that's, you know, it's whatever. But that, the atheism was a form of religion. Yes. And when I went to Kanye, it was funny because when I got home, the stories published. I thought that was it with Kanye. He would call me all the time. So we were on the phone now, like, constantly, every day, multiple times a day. And what he wants me to do is to help him write prayers. So it was hilarious to me that after a year of me, like, publicly saying, like, I want help writing prayers or knowing how to pray. Now he's like, we're writing prayers. And he's like, it's like a creative writing workshop or I'm texting him prayers. And he's texting back criticisms of how to make this better, stronger prayers. And like we would do that and like write lyrics. So, you know, it was it was profound for me just because I was already in the mindset of like religion being important to me all of a sudden because I wanted, I knew I wanted my kids to have some religion. Really? I was like, oh yeah, even though I was like, I don't need it. But I want my kids to have just as I felt like the moral structure of society was disintegrating. And they needed some kind of foundation to inherit the future that's going to be depraved. And all futures, you know, it's always depraved. The world is like a crazy world and you're always going to have, you know, bad things out there. But. Yeah. For me and my wife, we were like, religion is going to be like an anchor for them. So I took it seriously for them at first.

And then for me, it became serious. I took it more seriously like later on. So yeah, it was a weird turn of events. So like I do all those in terms of like the stories and writing with Tim. You know, the Kanye thing was like such a different change of pace from all the inverted world stuff. Right. It was like, why is Shane even going to L.A. to talk to Kanye? It made no sense, right?

To anyone else I was working with, unless they knew. I was a Kanye fan because it wasn't like a ghost story. It wasn't aliens. It wasn't anything. Right. It was like the perfect story for me and it gave me a lot of opportunities after that to then write a lot of different profiles of people in politics and outside of politics and the music that were really like awesome to do. I got to talk to MIA and Billy Corgan, stuff like that and then politicians and whatnot, which are not as much fun in my opinion because they're liars. Yeah, it was interesting to see the little video he did with academics where he like, showed up at the hotel and he just seemed like totally normal guy. And then all of a sudden, he's like, hold on, let me get my, let me get my costume out of my backpack. That was a perfect example of Annie Kaufman. Because if you watch that interview, he shows up.

It's super normal. Like how I was explaining in the easy headquarters. Yeah. And then he tells academics, I'll be right back. And if you look at that exact moment, he looks at the camera and smiles. He smirks. Yo, Steve, is your address 6969? Uh, yeah.

And your kid's name is... Uh, my... Please don't share that with the internet. Bro, the internet already knows. That's my point. I just found that out by Googling it. Can you ungoogle it? I don't like this kind of stuff being out there any more than you.

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It comes out, it's like Larry David's complaining about, oh, the hood in my clansmed. How fit. It's hiding my swastika chain. Yeah. Yeah. And he puts on Tim's, you know, it's hilarious. The only thing I'll say is different with Andy Kaufman is you never knew when he was being honest.

I do think Kanye is saying things he does probably believe the Twitter is a different stories. I think he's just pushing every, like, nuclear button at the same time. But he definitely has issues with these people in the industry and, like, the way he sees sure you know the things operating behind the scenes with the kendrick and the super bowl and like how you take out these celebrities is when i was with him we were talking a lot about prince and michael jackson and he was worried that that was his future right and they were both kind of in my opinion and his murdered right like uh prince was given fentanyl and he didn't know his fentanyl he thought it was thinking a painkiller

and that person i don't think they even found that person you know and michael jackson's doctor went to jail for like two years right for giving him propofall propofall yeah you know and conier having had that experience of being put away years prior really put him into ideas like MK Ultra. Yeah. What was that crazy story with that dude Harley? Passernack. Yeah. It was like his trainer. And he's like a trainer for a lot of stuff.

Messages were fucking spooky. Dude, I would as a father, I would not take that lightly. Like it was threatening your family. Oh yeah. And you're like, you know, Kanye's. Lay dates will never be the same. Insane. And it's kind of what happened. Like, I'll say like Kanye. It is kind of what happened. Kanye didn't make it easy for himself by doing certain things. You know, when it comes to the family and stuff, because it's

easy for them to play that against him. Be like, see, like, he's crazy and stuff like that. So it's like hard, you know, I have issues sometimes with some, some of the things he does in terms of, um, sacrificing the innocence of his children, you know, with things that he brings around them. And, you know, what is this story with that Harley guy?

Is he just some personal trainer or what, do we know what his background is? He's like a Canadian, like handler. A Canadian from what I understand. Yeah, I don't know too much about him, but like, I know he, he kind of oversees lots of celebrities. I think Justin Bieber is one of them as well.

And a lot of these people who you see under his umbrella have issues, like Big Time. Like Bieber's and I don't know what his deal is, but people are saying he's like M.K. Ultrid now. I think it's possible, you know. I think it's totally possible. They go after celebrities. They create celebrities. They drug celebrities. You know, uh, why was it weird scenes from Laurel Canyon?

Do you read that one? No. Uh, it's a good book to read after you've read something like chaos. Oh, okay. What's it called weird? I think it's weird or wild scenes from Laurel Canyon. Uh, and it's, I'm going to say it's not really, well-written, but it's got great information and interesting connections. And it's all about how

basically, like, the counterculture was created in Laurel Canyon from like the Mama's and the Papa's, Frank Zappa, and how a lot of them might have been CIA connections. Weird scenes inside the canyon. I think the author's gone now, unfortunately. But it's good. People like talk about this a lot when they come up when they talk about chaos. It's not as well-written. Chaos is like a masterpiece. I love that book. But this is really good to read after that. And, and, also read with like a poisoner in chief that's a great book as well yeah laurel canyon covert ops and the dark heart of the hippie dream yeah and they talk about like creating characters out of actors um i forget i forget the guy's name now there was one actor who was like

the first guy to be arrested for having weed in like the 50s or 60s i'm forgetting his name some kind of like you know he's a megastar yeah but in the book they talk about how this is all pre-planned because they wanted to create a certain type of vibe for this guy, right? Because it's like, how do we make him look like a bad guy in the public? And so, you know, and it goes into a lot of connections with like Morrison's father, you know, and Vietnam and stuff like that. And Zappa's father, I think he was like a bio-warfare type guy or some kind of chemical warfare guy. Holy shit. There's weird connections.

And you can just be like, well, there's coincidences, you know? Yeah. I don't really believe in a lot of coincidences, especially when it comes to this stuff. Yeah. Because we know they pump out these people. Like Little Canyon, after you read this book, sounds like it was an assembly line. And also,

Mountain Look Observatory is up there. That's where they say they filmed the Moon Landing. It's like a giant CIA underground. Really? Headquarters. It's huge. Jared Leto owns it right now. Mountain Wood? Mountain Look, I think.

I think it's called Mountain Look Observatory. Is that what Bart told us where they said? Bart said it was somewhere in Nevada, I think, maybe. I don't remember. He said it was the name of some Air Force Base. Whatever goes on there, they say like tens of thousands of propaganda films were pushed out of this place and like major stars would go there and hang out and no one really, I don't know like I don't know what came out of it, you know, but it's there. Dude, I saw a photo yesterday of Stanley Kubrick in somewhere in Europe where they were filming 2001 Space Odyssey. And he was like walking from the studio to like another building or whatever.

and fucking Jolly West is standing right behind him. No. No way. Yeah, find it. Google Stanley Kubrick Jolly West. Holy crap. I think it was Brent from the dude we had in here last week. Who made that video.

Oh, that's crazy. Dude. I was seeing that guy showed everywhere. Jolly West is everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's insane. Turn on the volume. I've said this in other lives before.

There's a picture of Stanley Kubrick. when he's doing 2001. And he's in England. They called the studios NASA East, which is hilarious. And he's doing his shoot there, and there's a picture of him walking with a group of guys. And they have them all identified, except for one guy behind them. He's in a row behind them walking. And that guy that they didn't identify, that has never been identified, is Lewis Jolly

and West of MK. Ultra. In West was a specialist in controlling people, creating cults. There's a large portion of his information that's never made it out into the public that he was working a lot with UFO people and witches and Satanists and all that to create those subcultures. Jolly and West was running one of the free clinics in one of the counterculture areas of San Francisco. Jolly and West was running it at the time clandestinely and Manson was there getting treatment with the Manson family. And so Jolly and West was involved with that. Jolly and West was involved with Jack Ruby. Jolly and West was involved with Sourhan Sourhan.

Jolly and West was involved with Whitley Streber, the UFO guy. Didn't know that. Jolly and West was involved with the Stanford Research Remote Viewing Experiments. Jolly and West was involved with a lot of things, guys.

If that's where the moon landing was shot. This guy's awesome. Yeah. Brent, he like covers all the craziest conspiracies, but he like calls out all the bullshit online. That's good. Because there's,

Because all of these, like the, the whole UFO religion that exists and all these other, like, psychedelic religion. Like, he calls out all the, like, the crazy, just bias that happens online with these people and, like, how stupid it's becoming. Yeah, people in every industry, including the conspiracy world, want confirmation bias. So they're willing to accept anything if it, you know, confirms their narrative that they want to believe in. I wonder if Jolly West ultra the astronauts, like, personally. Was he alive still? I might have. Oh, yeah.

Find out when did Jolly West die? Because those guys looked crazy when they came back. Yeah. Like I think they might have ultra the women who went to fake space yesterday. 1999. Oh my goodness. What? He lived that long?

That's a lot of people. That's wild. Yeah. Look at it. That's crazy, dude. I would love to see. I haven't read a book on him or anything. I've just seen what Tom O'Neill has written about him.

Yeah. And like the tertiary stuff, you know, Sirhan, Sirhan. I didn't know about Whitley Stryber, but that's a lot. I had no idea about Whitley Striever either. Yeah, these people, these are like the psycho magicians, you know. The CIA, they talk about it in Poisoner in Chief, you know, when they literally hired magicians to help them figure out how to control people's brains and create illusions, you know, and they did that with the help of hallucinogenics and stuff.

Right. You know, Ruby, it's insane. Did you see the interview of Jolly West right after he had that meeting with Ruby? and he went to prison or whatever. He came out and he was just like, I have us immediately. I don't know if you can find the actual video of it. It's kind of hard to find,

but it was in Tom's new documentary on Netflix, the new chaos documentary. I haven't watched it. Dude, it's so good. And he comes out and he's basically like, he's mentally unstable and he's unfit for a trial. Really? Oh, yeah.

Like, with like, within three hours of visiting him, he comes out and just basically makes the claim that he's completely unfit and mentally unhealthy. And they say in the book that he seemed fine up until, Jolly showed up right right like everything was cool yeah and all of a sudden like that's why I feel like The scarecrow from Batman is Jolly West you know he goes in and scares these people with some type of drug and then they all of

sudden lose their minds right that's what this guy is yeah man it's crazy shit nice got to think about like Who's who's the Jolly West today it's not even it's probably not even a person it's just a bunch of things working together To slowly dose you out of your mind mm-hmm nice low dose out of the at the the sky or whatever they're putting it in your water. Yeah, they don't need drugs to control minds anymore. They got computers to do that. They got social media and all this, all this stuff to do all that work for them. Yeah, they're definitely doing that. I was the whistleblower from a Facebook. Did you see any of this from yesterday? They had this crazy whistleblower about Facebook before the Senate. And she was talking about how Facebook secretly watches, like they can target specific

age groups. In particular, she was saying Facebook was looking at 17 to 18 year old. girls and if they delete a selfie it might mean they're a little depressed and they send that data to advertisers because they believe that when you're sad you're more willing to buy something really yeah and like she has this whole thing about it like it's insane you know and like they're just harvesting all the data this was just yesterday she's a day or two yeah yeah yeah wow she's she's saying and she's you know who knows they feel like everyone lies when they're testifying but she's saying that he you know Zuckerberg was lying under oath about all that years ago because they're worried about this back in 2018 right

How they target people either individually to censor them or like large groups of people to see if they can sell to advertisers. Right. So that's just like one type of group, you know, the young teenagers, you know, women who seem depressed and they're like, well, they might need this new handbag. We're going to send this information to this so and so. And they're going to get this ad now. And they're monitoring it that closely. That's crazy, dude. That's dark, dude.

That is dark. That is very, very dark world. I like, I don't want my kids that social media. No, me neither. I don't want my kid to have a smartphone. Yeah, no, for sure. I'm going to get my kid like a telephone booth. A telephone booth? You're Superman now. I just don't trust it. I think it's very harmful. I think it's, there's, there's like this kind of like small movement of tech companies trying to like dumb down technology to make it more primitive.

Like there's this company that I have this thing right here. This thing is called a daylight computer. it's basically like a computer slash iPad and there's like there's no blue light in it at all I like that so like the blue light like really fucks up the chemicals in your brain when you do it and it's super addictive it's like a dopamine slot machine like when you're staring at a phone

and this thing has none of it it's only like the red amber light and it's like really good for reading so like if I sit up at night and I like we'll read a PDF or read a Kindle book on this thing I literally I'm asleep within 30 minutes I can't sit up and read like with a Kindle or with a phone you can sit up for hours and scroll through stuff and it did next thing you know it's one in the morning

I'm doing this the red light yeah it's not it's not as good yeah helps because no it definitely helps addicted and I'm like a crazy person all this stuff and uh yeah it definitely has helped but like I prefer that's awesome yeah dude this thing's incredible and there's also companies that are selling like phones that are like super dumb down with like no connection and like you know the only calls and text I just keep telling my wife we're going to be Amish I'm slowly removing everything. piece of technology from my house until we're she wakes up and we're Amish like welcome back to the past like I grew up on a farm dude without like anything I mean we had things but we didn't have a I didn't have a computer growing up yeah didn't have we had a TV at a certain point but that even that TV only had a few channels so I'm like I realize I have like weird Luddite capabilities like in me already just from like not having air conditioning not having internet and like having to have special permission to like hand write my essays to hand into the school because they're like oh shit Shane, poor Shane doesn't have a computer to put out.

My chicken scratch is now being handed in. And like I, so like I learned about computers way later than everyone else. Like obviously, you know, I go to friends' houses and be like, oh, wow, it's cool. I can use Napster here or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm reading magazines and stuff. So I know what's going on. I wasn't completely under a rock, but pretty under a rock.

But like, I just see so many positives come out of this stuff. But I think the negative stuff outweighs the positives. especially when you're seeing kids who are raised in that world. And like I think it's good that they're trying to dumb down technology and get it back to its core. But there's so many kids who are trapped

in like this fake digital life means more to them than their real life. Which is why I think we have more nihilism today and people with meaninglessness. And there's like, you know, violence is a human it's always been here. But there just seems to be like a different type of recklessness and nihilism today.

Yeah. With kids like they're killing themselves by accident making selfies. It's all for the digital, you know, for the likes and stuff. And knowing that those companies like Facebook Wives was telling you, they take advantage of that. So they're like steering you, which is then what you were saying, MK Ultra, but we're MKUtrering ourselves. Yeah. But like is it futile to try to fight it?

Or is this just the way we go? We have to fight it. Fundamental, like with human beings, we are human beings because of technology. Yeah. Like if it wasn't for fire, we wouldn't look the way we look today. Right. You know what I mean? I don't want to be anti-tech because I love that we get to do this.

Yeah. This is amazing. I got to fly here. You know, if I drove here, it would be 24 hours. This is amazing. I'm not anti-tech. And I think that's, the Luddites kind of get a bad rap because they're not really, they weren't anti-tech either.

They were anti being, they were anti like the tyranny of mass autonomy. So like they were using the technology of the day in 1810 or 1811, like the weavers, you know, to make textiles. But when factories were being built and being filled with those machines and displacing those people's jobs is when they started attacking the machinery so they weren't technically anti-tech you know and I feel like although I'm I'm against the violence aspect I'm I'm against being uh you know out autonomated out of like a work out of work and that's going to happen across the world so it's inevitable it is futile I think it's uh I just think it's going to come down to like society having more ethics

built into it but it's going to be on an individual level because the companies that are doing it like Facebook like Google like those places they have their ethics aren't a thing you know they're directly like Zuckerberg they're saying in that whistleblower thing the other day he's working directly with China to build a censorship regime and they're censoring people Zuckerberg yeah for years and they called it a censorship regime and they called uh the person over who was it the chief editor it's like so Orwellian uh so this person would oversee all these things if anything got a certain amount of likes the chief editor would it would come to his desk like okay we got a de boost this or whatever so just nuke it out of oblivion

And the Chinese government, through these leaks that they're getting with the emails and stuff, they would say like, hey, this is someone on American soil right now, but he's saying stuff we don't like here in China. So you got to like get rid of that account and they would do it. So like they have no ethics. I think like Zuckerberg is a complete fraud. You know, when he has this rebrand lately, it's like, I'm pro Trump and I have a pro now. He seems so unnatural. The chain.

I understand. Like, yeah, he looks like little dicky. Like I don't buy a thing this guy says at all. I feel like to read the comments of his interview with Rogan. Oh, oh. So bad. I felt I was cringing for him. I was like when Rogan asked him about the,

the bow and arrow, he's like, you know, Rogan knows about his bow and arrows. Oh, yeah, I saw that clip. I saw that clip. He's like, you can see him malfunctioning. Oh, it's old. It sparks are flying. It's definitely old.

It's got a sharp point at the top. But like, it's funny because people buy into it because when it comes to politics, you know, lately, everyone's so like they want to be like so bad by the people they think they hate

like when it comes like a rich wealthy famous person the right who seems to be so against it lately you know the second Elon or Zuckerberg does a rebrand they're like we love him they share great memes and he like surfs and wears American flags but like Zuckerberg is a straight

up water. That's not surfing he's doing that stupid fucking electronic foil board like a stupe stupid that video is ridiculous but but only something a A billionaire would think was cool. Right. So, yeah, I don't know. These people have no ethics.

Yeah. Seeing allegedly now Zuckerberg's working so closely with like the Chinese government, which is in direct opposition to our government. Yeah. It's like, okay, we can't trust these people. And he's probably, he's probably lied under oath. And I think that kind of extends to all these guys who are running the government currently. It feels weird right now.

Like, it, the whole like, the whole way, the whole person. podcast landscape is is like so in lockstep with the current like presidential administration. It's gross. And how they all were like there at the inauguration together was so weird to me. Yeah. I think I think it's the end of that world. I think we're going to see this whole space is going to go through like a real tectonic shift. Yeah.

I think so too. Not make it. People are going to, you know, get better. But this administration totally. I mean, and rightfully so. It was smart to use the podcast world. Right because the other side wasn't like Kamala Totally you know the what was they call her daddy people they paid for a fake studio

You know and that that show that show didn't really get numbers right no one cared right No one cares about that host um I'm sure she's got some fans out there but like it wasn't a cultural shift You know Trump doing Rogan was a huge moment yeah everyone watched that episode It was pretty hilarious you know I enjoy seeing him do interviews But like now that they've gotten to office watching the what I would call the dissident voices from the so-called right, whatever that is, the podcast space.

Now they're someone locks up with the establishment without questioning anything. I'm like, this is how we get back into more problems, guys. And then they really don't like when you criticize them because they're like, well, we got it. Our guys are in office, they're doing the best they can. It's only been three months. I'm like, yeah, but they're only allowing people around them right now who ask either

illegitimate criticisms, like from like the corporate press and their questions don't mean anything. Or people who were asking just nice, easy questions, you know? And I think there's, like, real legitimate concerns that this administration should be asked, like, these questions about all the people around it and what they're doing. And I understand it's still early. But, like, you know, it's, if you're looking at it from the political side of things, they only have a little bit of time before the midterms.

So, like, people are going to want to see real change in, like, a year. Right. Before they're about to go vote again for the people, you know, for the midterms, for senators and all that stuff. Yeah. Congressman. So, you know, right now he's kind of got everyone, almost at his disposal, but it's going to change quickly.

And then, like, I've been calling it the day, like, independent media died was the binder gate thing. When everyone got the Epstein binders. You see that? God, dude. That was the most embarrassing thing. And, like, I know a lot of those people who were there. And I'm not mad at them, per se. Like, I'm mad at the administration.

Unless they knew about it, they all say they don't. So, like, I don't know that. But the administration, in my opinion, set up a photo op and walked them out for this stunt, right? Yeah. Because they're like, you know, someone would be like, oh, we didn't know. Okay, fair. And then, you know, they just gave us a binders. I'm like, they printed out a prop to put in your hand.

And then walked you out into a lawn where the photographers were. They'll say, well, they were there for so-and-so who was visiting from a, you know, whoever was here from another country. And they're like, but there's other ways you can have left the White House. You know, why did they give you a prop to hold and walk you out in front of the photographers? And it's not about just anything. This is about one of the most darkest, most sinister things that, crimes that hurt. children.

Yeah. And now you're condensed it down to you dancing with a binder. I was like, this is a bad look for independent media. You know, like I think independent media has all the same problems as corporate press. Because it's just like a human nature thing. There's greed.

There's narcissism, you know, all that ego, all that stuff. Um, so it's going to be interesting to see like how these people navigate that world now, now that they've got their guy in office. Um,

because it's, you know, I'm seeing a lot of people just post, um, selfies, you know, at the special events. And then,

you know, I'll get the stuff like, oh, Shane's jealous. She's not there. I'm like, I would love to go and ask the question, but I know the questions I'm asking. I won't be invited back. So I love that. I'll go. I'll ask the questions, but they're not letting me back after that. Because I'm, I got bigger problems at play here because it's about our future. Like the future that our kids are inheriting. And they're building like a dystopia around us. So yeah. And there's all these like huge people on on social media and on podcast like Chamath Pissing like not jokingly talking about like Trump needs a third. term. I know. And it's crazy. It's it's, and then and then Steve Bannon like I know and I love I love Bannon too but like I don't want that and I and I'm not going to vote for Vance like I think he's really smart. I like I he says things I really like but he's got connections to Peter Thiel which is someone like another one of these tech guys you know venture capitalists that he was born out of Peter Thiel. You know that's his mentor. He created him. You know van he's Vance saw Teal talk at a I think it was Yale love the speech. Um, And then Teal helped him start his own venture capitalist firm and funding stuff and they're there in Rumble and all that stuff and all these types of things. And I think Teal is one of the most like nefarious actors. Really?

And he's like deeply embedded in the right. Because he's one of Trump's biggest donors. Have you seen what he's been doing with Silicon Valley and like and like empire? And he's been he's behind this huge new effort to basically, um, map Christianity onto everything that's happening in Silicon Valley. And he's like, he's part of this church. They're doing these huge conferences. I haven't seen that. I know he claims to be Christian.

He's a strange guy. He's a gay Christian billionaire. Married gay Christian. He is a transhumanist vampire, though. We'll get to that in a minute. They all are. But like, he says things I think are, he's an extremely smart dude. Like, and he's been around for a minute.

He's, unfortunately, he helped build the surveillance state post 9-11 with Palantir and all these things. And, you know, I'm really against the surveillance state. I'm really think that is super dystopian. And he's made, I'm sure, billions of dollars off war, you know, on all the wars. plus the surveillance state here and around the world. And like, he's part of Facebook. You know, he helped create Facebook.

He funded Facebook. So, and they're all, and Palantir was, uh, funded by Incutech, which is a CIA. In QTel, yeah, yeah. Oh, Incutel, right? That's like, that's a venture capitalist from the CIA. So like, all that stuff is very alarming to me. And like, they don't like being questioned about that. But I didn't know about the, uh, the Christian mapping thing.

Yeah. But I've, I've seen him talk about religion. You can find the article, Steve. Just type in, uh, just type in, um, Christian. Christianity in Silicon Valley and there's like a there'll be a ton of fucking articles. It's like this new this new phenomenon that's happening. And like, you know, in the past Christian or Silicon Valley has been like the opposite of a religious place. Oh yeah. 11 years ago, Elon is saying he's with AI summoning the demon. But recently he says we're it's a digital god. So they've rebranded even that. Yeah, I haven't seen it. But like he is just one article. Yeah, there's there's there's so there's been a lot of people writing about this. Interesting. Freaking paywalls. Yeah.

It's ridiculous. Yeah, this is the one that I read right here. Interesting. Christianity is borderline, was borderline illegal in Silicon Valley, and now it's the new religion. And what I think, I think it has something to do with national security. I don't know, I don't know exactly, I don't think it's ideology. I think it's some sort of 4D chess that these guys are playing, these leaders of these military industrial complex companies. Yeah.

That are really pushing Christianity to all the people that work inside Silicon Valley. Yeah. And I think it has, I mean, it's speculation, obviously, right? Like, no, we don't know. But, like, who knows how these people think? But what if they think that, look at all these other countries that, you know, they, in the Middle East, for just one example, like, you have all these people that are described to a certain religious worldview, right? You have religious extremists that are willing to go as far as dropping it bombed their chest and detonated in a fucking public place. Yep.

And here, it's the opposite of that. You have this crazy diverse array. There's not like one solid foundational worldview people have in America. So it might be some sort of thing that they're trying to do to bolster America or make America stronger. Yeah, like I don't, I honestly have a hard time believing anything he says, although there's, he does say these things I agree with. Like, I think he also understands that the universities are like ideological death camps. I taught him. You know, I saw it's crazy what they're doing in kids' minds.

He says a lot of things I think are neat. But like sometimes when I see this stuff, I'm like, I think it's, I think it's, It's, you know, this is just my theory. It's their way of trying to get the people on their side that they need, right? Because for so long, a lot of these guys were part of the so-called left. It's left and right really doesn't even anything anymore because Trump's not even really right, right, right? Although he appears to be to the people on the left. But, like, they were darlings of the left for so long.

Everyone loved Elon. I mean, you go back 10 years and look at Elon on Colbert. They're, oh, we love you so much. They're clapping for Tesla. Those same people are probably keying with Tesla's today, right? or selling their own Teslas. But I think a lot of this stuff is like, so like something I hear a lot

when I criticize someone like Elon or or Teal because Rumble and then X, they'll say like, oh, well, he's, look what they're doing for freedom of speech. I think that's amazing. I agree. X is a lot better. It's a lot of problems.

And Rumble's pretty cool. But like my opinion is they're doing this to kind of endear themselves to the dissident voices. So now you're like what we're saying earlier with like independent media. A lot of these voices I'm seeing be reluctant to question these people now at all.

Like you don't hear much about a lot of negative stuff like legitimate like concerns about these people from the right or the so-called dissident voices. I think that's like the most important conversation. There's a few people but very few. You hear like Whitney Webb.

Kyle Kalinsky's been going hard. Oh yeah. Someone I never listened to. Really? And he's a guy who came out of Rogan. I mean he was literally created by Rogan. What do you think he has like legitimate concerns about Elon or does he just be like?

I mean he's very critical of Rogan and Trump and Elon. and all these people and calling out, like, all the, I think some of it is pretty, is pretty reasonable. But I think a lot of it is like, is like just super toxic and biased and just, you know, that's what Kim, he's a little bit out of control. Because I'll see the left hate a lot of these people for the wrong reasons. Yeah.

You know, like it's like a lot of like knee jerk reactions to things that I think kind of watered down the real problems. Then the right just refuses to see the problems at all. Right. Because they're so happy that they won, you know, with the help of these people for sure. Because teal is one of Trump's biggest donors since 2015-ish. And Alex Karp donated millions of dollars to Camalo. How's funny is that?

I know. These people have no moral center. No. Their only path and their only goal in life is power over us and money, right? They make money off these crises, right? Like COVID, a lot of people made money off that. A lot of the social media companies made money off that. Well, also destroyed people's lives.

Yeah. Right. Small businesses went out. In New York, we lost thousands of small businesses, but these major companies were fine. Yeah. So, like, you see the things that they're, creating it's like the military industrial complex you know what Pallantir does what and J will I can't even say and drill like that's a weird company um clear view AIs one of the scary

ones to me with the facial recognition app because it's like it's it's inescapable right that's why the only thing I don't know what to do other than like try to have ethics from the bottom up because these companies are not going to be like well you know we're not going to use it for bad reasons but the idea of what's bad is different every day in in politics you know something that was acceptable last year is now not acceptable you know they're always moving the goalposts um and these people are very open about how this world is going to just crush humanity you know but they're but they say you know someone like mark andreason would say it's a techno optomist manifesto it's like the opposite of the unabomber's manifesto you know it's a very joyous outlook which is like look

i'm very against the violence with the unabomber but that manifesto says a lot of things that are really interesting in terms of like universities and politics like he saw a lot of problems back then. Wasn't he M.K. Ultrid? They say. He was in Harvard, a Harvard study, right? Yeah, that's crazy, right? Find out, Google that. I think it was when he was a kid or something. Type in Ted Kaczynski, Harvard

experiments. Yeah, it's wild. Yeah. What was I going to say to you? I was saying techno optimist, like, manifesto. Just like the way they're billing this world where we're going to have machines and it's going to be really, really great, with no problems.

Right, right, right, right. I was going to say Elon is the thing about Elon is like you know how you know his famous story about how in 2000 and I think it was maybe 2000 is when I think it was maybe December of 2000 or 2008 maybe it was 2008 December of 2008 he told the story about how like he needed to make payroll or whatever and like the his accountants came to him and said you got a bankrupt to either Tesla or SpaceX we're not going to be able to we're going to lose we're going to lose both right and he's like he was like I'd rather die than lose one of those companies right he's like we'll make it happen I mean he got a lot of money from the military and then he ended up and then um there's this uh story that this guy John

Karaaki, the CIA agent tells how in like two months later, he was at this big dinner and Elon was there. Oh, well. At this like government dinner with a bunch of fucking CIA and NSA people. That makes sense. So if you're fucking, it just, it doesn't seem, it doesn't feel, it doesn't seem right. Right. If you're going through that trying to fucking make your company survive, your billion dollar companies survive, what are you doing at some Washington dinner with a bunch of CIA and NSA people?

Making bank. Right. You're making bank. I guess. He is helping sustain the surveillance state right now with Starlink. You know? Yeah. We've got all these contracts with using Starlink satellites to, you know, put up all the Lockheed Martin-type satellites.

Maybe his own, who knows. There's all the things he just can't talk about. Yeah. Because he probably signed a ton of NDAs. You know, that's why I always find it weird when he talks about aliens. It always seems so forced. And the moon. And the moon.

Yeah. We definitely went to the moon. Yeah. Okay, dude. Look, some things up there. It might be like something that looks like the moon, but I don't know what we've been told it is But like everything that these people him teal like the whole PayPal like mafia Yeah, yeah

Is very strange to me and now they're completely infiltrated the government like they've probably they've been a part of all the administration's To some degree, but now it's like really like it's Trump and now they're like outwardly like we're building this dystopia I mean they think it's a utopia right but like you know so they they're creating this false god they're creating like an omniscience an omniscient presence with the with the spy satellites with the surveillance state um so like those are the things that really worry me because like moving forward you know it's going to be it's going to be super dark like the thing i was telling about facebook and what they can do just to like young girls on on facebook they're going to now start applying that into like uh you know like predictive policing your programmatic policing you know which uh just yesterday i saw i think it was in the UK they just

opened up a whole new department for for just that so they're doing it over there really yeah i forget what it is called. It's a good name too. Scary name. Like the Minority Report? That's exactly. That's exactly what it is. The Unabomber participated in a series of psychological experiments at Harvard from 59 to 62. Oh, perfect. Good time. That was Jolly West's peak.

These experiments led by Henry A. Murray were designed to measure how individuals react under extreme stress and involved mock interrogations that were described as vehement sweeping and personally abusive. Yeah. Yeah, that was part of MK Ultra for sure. they probably created a lot of the tragedies that we live through in society and history. You know, like it's, it's insane.

I can't take it. But like, you know, what these people are doing now with the social media, it's just the evolution of this. So, yeah, I don't know what's going on right now, but I feel like, I feel like everything that's happening right now with like the combination. of like the news cycle and like various debates that you see happen on podcasts and like these people emerging these like these people like this um this martyr made guy oh yeah emerging and all the controversy around him yeah i haven't followed that much i saw part of his interview with rogan yeah it it feels like it is a bunch of small pieces of this larger plan or like or like a lot of larger scheme to like decay or erode the meaning of truth. Oh yeah. And like to to to make it to

where we can't tell what is up or down anymore. Yeah. And I think that started with the pandemic and which divided us, right? And we eat everybody had their own facts that they truly believe them would fucking die over. Oh yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. It definitely started I'm I think it started since day one with humanity. But yeah, probably. But COVID. accelerated it to an insane degree. Oh, yeah. And I started calling it post-reality because the internet will allow you to,

you know, what we're saying earlier with the confirmation bias stuff, you can do that with anything with the internet. If you want to really believe something, whatever it is, you go find that website. It'll tell you you're right, you know?

And then that will, you know, bolster you to really believe that. But with COVID, you know, that became life or death for some people. You know, and we were dealing with riots and all that stuff. So, you know, and that, on top of that,

the censorship that was happening, You were only allowed to say certain things, which is why I'm so skeptical now of trying to embrace these tech people. Because, like, just a few years ago, they said we were, like, bad people and we should be censored. You know, not allowed online. They even got rid of the president on Twitter. And now all of a sudden, just because they're waving an American flag

and they share memes were cool. Like, I don't buy it at all. So I think the post-reality thing is really, really dangerous. Because, you know, I was really seeing it start to go down a lot with the beginning of the Israel-Gaza, stuff because there's people sharing like you remember that someone I forget it was Israel probably newt or sent a missile to some hospital in Gaza or maybe it's other way around but that story was completely fake right or like the ghost of Kiev that was a fake story but people really

buy into these things right and so now you're seeing people totally buy into this narrative and now they've just splintered into a completely different reality and if they don't fact check it or ever you know fact check I hate that phrase too but like it's almost impossible to even do that it's going to be worse now, especially with what they're building with the AI stuff now. With deep fakes, with, you know, you can make anything happen. You can, you can, um, have a designer reality. So like with the post-reality stuff during COVID, during the wars, you know, you're falling down different avenues and just, you know, consuming the things that make you feel good about the way you see the world. But now we're going to start seeing people just straight up make up realities altogether,

you know, so all like the weird mental issues in society now, you can just go in the metaverse and do all that stuff and never leave your house. You know? Yeah. That to me feels like where it's going. Like I don't think the dystopia is going to look like, you know, the Matrix so much. I don't think it's going to be super dystopian like, you walk outside like, wow, we're here in dystopia. I think it's already here.

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kind of like in response to the depression, you know, it kind of emerged out of a crisis. how do we fix society? And it's like, well, the government's all wrong. So we're going to install experts to run everything, experts and engineers to run our society. But, you know, having lived through COVID, who's an expert? How do you define expert? How do you define any of this stuff? Because Fauci was like basically a leader of a technocracy during COVID.

They just outsourced everything to him. And now he's basically making everyone shut down. So, like, that was a thing in Canada, you know, I thought this was a funny thing with, you know, Elon's grandfather being, um, oh, yeah, what was that? Joshua Haldeman. Um, so in, in Canada, he, he, he was part of the technocracy Inc. And they were, like, really looking to install this government. They banned it in Canada for some time. I think, like, maybe five years or so.

But, like, you couldn't do technocracy ink, which I think is ridiculous. Like, you should just be able to do whatever you want, you know? Like, I don't agree with communist. But you should if you want to do it, I want to hear the bad ideas. And we can talk about it. I don't want to like censor that. Yeah. So he was, Haldeman was into technocracy.

He was a chiropractor. He was a very well-known chiropractor. This is his granddad? Yeah, yeah. His grandfather. Well-known chiropractor, I believe Elon's great-grandma was as well. So like a big chiropractor. Interesting.

Yeah, I think, I don't know where I saw this, but there's like an obituary in a big chiropractor magazine about Haldeman. But, you know, he was obsessed with this idea of installing engineers and experts, whatever that is, to run the government. And then that idea kind of, you've got like a soft version of the technocracy with FDR's New Deal, because it was like widespread micromanagement of experts to try to fix society. So we saw all these organizations, you know, spread out of the ground for, to help fix the depression. So, you know, some people might say it was like a technocracy light, you know, it wasn't really technocracy, but because

it was in the, in the framework of a democracy. allegedly. He did maintain power for quite some time. And then, you know, as as it goes with American history, the economy didn't really boom again until World War II. Because people make lots of money on war, like these people were talking about now. So like his grandfather had a technocracy thing. I always thought this was interesting that, you know, depending on where you look and who you read, he either was kicked out of Canada or he ran from Canada for the technocracy stuff. You know, he was a failed politician. He was trying to do a lot of things in politics in Canada.

Yeah. And then set up base in, in Africa. And he became obsessed with looking for the lost city of Calahari. You know about that? No. There was like this, this story of the lost city of Calahari in the South African desert. And it supposedly had some kind of treasures below it, you know, as lost cities do. There's like an old story from so.

I think it was from New York. I forget this guy's name. But he came up with the story in the first place. And, you know, a few people heard about it. And then Haldeman became like a pilot, like a successful pilot, and decided to take the whole family to South Africa. So that's where, like, May Musk was, I don't think she, I don't know if she was born in Africa or not, but like Elon's mom.

And they would just tour a lot within the plane. You know, May Musk is a twin, which I always think is also, I don't know why it's odd to me. I think the phrase telegenic actually came from the twins. Telligent. Yeah, because they were on some TV show at some point on this, like, as they're touring around. on their plane and they're on TV and someone said that you're telegenic you're like you know it's

like photogenic per for television i believe that's connected to memos you don't have to fact check that later i'd be my reality buffet but um yeah so they see he went and look for this lost city so i just think that's so interesting because like i love the idea of risk and adventure and innovation it's amazing you know and uh you know i don't agree with everything his grandfather was up to but like it's fascinating to me that he i think he died in his plane i think he died i don't if he died searching for calahari or if he died for some other reason the story is he actually like was the first person to go from Africa to Australia in a plane his little plane like he built the plane you know it's really damn crazy interesting story um but like that's why

elan wound up in africa because of the leaving Canada for whatever reason i think it's tied to technocracy thing but there was other things that happened after that with him he he had some like war i believe with like coca-cola halterman he hated cocacacacaca because it had cocaine in it he was like this is hurting people i'm like all right that's fair you know but like he had some theories about cocacacaola maybe like hurting people and whatnot like it was like a like a big like a big pharma but for coca cola um so i say all that to say it's just interesting to see now Elon to me and his pals are i think working towards a technocracy and that mars is Elon's lost city of calahari it's like it doesn't you know and like i get it you know i'm

highly inspired by my grandfather yeah i totally understand that and like getting you have that in your DNA yeah it's in your family to um is that them is this them actually never look at pictures of them. Elon Musk's fascinating history with Moose Jaw. I don't know what that is. That's a good name for a band though. What's Moose Jaw. Yeah, Moose Jaw is a good name for a band.

Or like a tobacco. Click the article, Steve. No, no. Let's see. Moose Jaw. Elon Musk's grandmother is from Moose Jaw. You know how I know this? He said so himself on Twitter.

But like that's, that is the concern to me, is what they're building now. Yeah. And like this whole idea of efficiency sounds great, but it has its dangers to humanity. Yeah. You know, I think about like, is that his grandfather actually with the twins? So that's the twins. Yeah, this is Haldeman. Jump in on that, but punch in on that a little bit more? They're straight out of the shining. Awesome. Oh, is Jolly West in the background? Oh my God. That's funny, dude. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I don't understand. understand Elon is a mystery man How does he have time to do all this tweeting

That's the most obvious question I think he's lying just like he's lying about Being a gamer I don't think that's I don't think that's I heard that was a lie I don't think he's a lot like a habitual Liar So you think so what's he lying about He's not the one doing the tweeting

I think every maybe his neurolike is doing this I think he's got But uh I mean look he's a smart dude I just don't think he's doing all these things I think he's outsourced a lot of it to AI. I don't think he's tweeting all that much. That, to me, is insane. It doesn't make sense.

You're doing Doge. You're that much of a video gamer. You're doing your companies, SpaceX, Neurlink. You know, I just don't buy it. And he's artificially inseminating all these women? Yeah, yeah. That's a whole other thing.

I heard he's not fucking half of them. I heard, is that true? That's what I hear. Yeah. Because he's a eugenicist. Right. He's, I heard it was like,

I heard somebody call him a rationalist. where it's like his idea is he wants to reproduce with like women who have higher cognitive abilities and he wants to basically like eugenics it's eugenics rationalist is just a nice way of saying eugenics and he like doesn't get past first base

with half these women and he's just artificially inseminating his spread. I don't doubt it dude I so like it's weird because going back I was thinking about Elon you know like when did I start even thinking about this guy and I remember I was actually in Florida I was walking our son in his stroller so this must have been like seven years ago and I was reading about neuralink that brought me to like his Mars stuff and I was like I was thinking about what kind of fights am I going to have in the future

with my kids. Because it's going to be different right? The fights I have my parents about like the music I listen to right you know stuff like that or you know just not coming home. I'm like what am I going to fight about with my kid? I'm like it's going to be him wanting to be immortal through neuralinks you know because the transhumanist by then will like rate Kurz while you just upload your consciousness you know like timmy down the street is doing it. Or going to Mars, you know? And I was like, these are really interesting things. I like in the, I don't think it's going to be that far in the future where people are going to have some kind of designer immortality.

I'm putting in quotes. Yeah. Where you can have like your digital avatar and people will consider it as much as a real you as, you know, as you hear you and me. So I was like really not into that. And like I think it was probably 2020. I wrote my first thing about his neuraling trial where he's talking about like the pigs. And, you know, he's lost a lot of pigs. He's got the I think he calls it as that really monkey Disneyland and you looked about that

I think he calls it that it's either he calls it that or like neuraling calls it that but That's where some of their like you know their brains explode It's it's wild stuff So like that kind of started me thinking about how I I do not trust what this guy's doing because it's it's tough because I I can understand the positives the short-term positives it's beautiful that you want to fix Someone who's paraplegic right if they want to walk again like that's amazing You want to give someone sight again who's who's blind if you want to give someone hearing again who's deaf

How do you argue against that? It's like that's amazing But at a certain point I think it's gonna be like You're kind of left out of society if you don't have those just like these smartphones today Yeah, like if you don't have if you're not participating in the modern world you're not having a phone like this right? What about like yeah imagine being the only one who can't telepathically communicate right right? That's go I like being the only one without a smartphone Yeah, sounds great But that's the that's the network they're building Um, so what?

Did you say something? I thought you said something. I'm hearing, I'm hearing shit. It was his neuralink. Yeah. But like, so like I was thinking about that stuff. And then I just started watching him closely because it was hard. Like I enjoyed him buying Twitter.

Right. I was like, right. It was optimistic. Yeah. That's great. Twitter was horrible. Um, had a lot of issues. I appreciated his innovation.

Uh, I was, I was fascinated by a lot of it. And then when I started really thinking he was a liar was when I realized that it sounds like he lied about his. first born child dying in his arms, you know, and his wife at the time, she said that that's not true. And he only said that, unless he said it somewhere else, um, first time I saw him say it was when he was, he said it when he was trying to convince people why he didn't want Alex Jones back on Twitter. He, because he at the time believed that Alex Jones hurt kids. Not really like him hurting kids, but like what he had done, what he had said was like a, you know, rejection of the reality

of, you know, it's the Sandy Hook that Elon believed in, right? He believed that like these kids were hurt and now Alex didn't believe it. So he said he you know he thinks that way because his child died in his arms but his wife said at the time. I think that's his first wife said that didn't happen at all. Um so you know I'm like if you're willing to lie about that look I don't know. Right. I'm just saying that this changed my perspective on listening to anything he says. Um, and like if you don't if you're willing to if this is true, if you're willing to lie about your child dying your arms, then I, uh, I will be skeptical of everything you say. Sure. Just like, how I'm skeptical of Zuckerberg and all these other people who are clearly lying as well.

So, like, I think this whole rebrand into being like maga and dark maga, it's just, it's so stupid. But, like, it's, it's them getting closer to the power that allows them to create the technocracy that I think they want. You know, and it's not, I don't think it's too conspiratorial to think that that's what they want. Because they see themselves as like gods. They see themselves as they're better than everyone. Zuckerberg was happy to censor all of us during COVID. Yeah. Elon has had a lot of changes of heart.

And that's, but that's, that's possible. You can have a change of heart, you know. I just don't buy it with these people. You know, I think this idea of efficiency is great. You know, Doge is, I think is great. I love the idea of making the government much smaller because it's a huge problem. But what they're going to install after that

is probably going to be AI because the future technocracy is probably not going to be, quote unquote, experts. Like it probably won't be, Elon and them will be like pulling the levers, but they're probably going to install their AI because that will be their opinion of an objective expert, right? Although it's not objective. Right.

Because it's made by subjective people. So, you know, that's the thing I'm worried about. And I, you know, with Elon buying Twitter, although I thought it was great, it's clear to me that he's monopolized the collective consciousness. And so he's taking everything off Twitter to feed into his, into GROC, to feed into Optimus, to make his spaceship, you know,

that she says he's going to fly to Mars using AI. So I think that's what a lot of these people are doing. Like, they're data harvesting our thoughts. They are monopolizing our brains. That's like one of the, that is the new war. It's on like our privacy and our thoughts. And like meta has been working on things that can actually read your brain,

like can translate your brain wavelengths into images and words. So this is, that's the future. Is them, you is like, it's in a, They're going to want inside of your brain so they know a bunch of things how to sell you to advertisers How to make money you know on you like that but also how to prevent crime because they're going to be like well this person's having bad thoughts So we need to watch him more closely like what they're doing in the UK just yesterday. I saw the article

Like they're doing allegedly with the IDF right now using Lavender the AI model which is like the AI is basically allowed to decide who may or may not be a terrorist and allegedly like there's already articles about it. The IDF has said it doesn't do this. So take it the great assault. I have a feeling it's probably happening because it sounds like a lot of the stuff that Clearview AI would do or or Palantir where it's harvesting a lot of data. Is this lavender? Dude, this is terrifying because it has a huge error rate allegedly. Alvander AI program were used by allegedly used by the Israeli military to identify potential Hamas militants in Gaza. Wow. This can't be good. identified over 37,000 people in Gaza as potential targets for military strikes.

The program allegedly used machine learning to assist scores to individuals based on factors such as association with suspected militants and frequent changes in phone numbers. Wow, dude, that's crazy. This is not good. No. So, you know, it doesn't matter how you feel about that war.

Like, no one should have this ability. Dude, did you, I just had, My buddy Eric Zooliger on here the other day, he was explaining to me how in the Russia-Ukraine war, I think it was Russia was using an AI to convince Ukrainian soldier. Like it was some sort of an LLM was like able to analyze some of the Ukrainian soldiers like by like analyzing their text messages and their phone calls with their loved ones. And like you like the LLN. was mimicking their family members trying to convince them to basically like lay down their weapons and surrender That is next level. That's like that's like the evolution of Waco You know like we're gonna pump the voice of God right this building to scare these people right

But now we can just pretend to be your loved ones and yeah, yeah, I was also listening I think it was Eric Prince The I think he's the CEO of Blackwater. Yeah, yeah, yeah, talking about like facial recognition drones That they're doing in Gaza or not in Gaza in Ukraine in Ukraine in Ukraine yeah And like they're taking old drones but fitting them with like AI technology to find your face and You know, it's like, that's insane to me. Insane. I think he said that at a speech recently. Have you seen the new Palantir commercial?

No. How they're using these swarm drones. Oh, geez. So their new thing is like, so Palantir, which this doesn't seem like it fits up Palantir's sort of like niche of what they do. But they apparently have this new swarm, pull up it to the commercial, this new swarm technology where they have like thousands of these little DJI Mavic drones. And they're using them to like swarm battleship. and basically take out battleships. Great. Give us some audio.

Oh, is this what played during the game, the Army Navy game? I don't know. I didn't watch it. Looks like a Transformers movie. Yeah. Is this a Dan Crenshaw commercial? So it's like this, it's Eric called it, spreadsheet warfare. Yeah. Where basically, hello, pulled up a fucking ancient Marilyn Manson interview. It's like, good algorithm.

Yeah, exactly. where it's like you use super cost-effective ways, like really unbalanced ways to like take out other militaries, like where you have this billion dollar warship or like battleship and you're using maybe like $100,000 in drones to swarm. Yeah, I think Palantir probably came, I forget who came with the phrase, but it was I think from Palatier,

from their world, the total information awareness. Oh, yeah, no, that was way before Palantir. Dude, that is insane stuff. Because that is like we just want to know everything at all times. And I think they do already, right? Yeah.

I guess Palantir probably just uses that idea. You know, because it's like data is gold, right? Like that's we're going to take everything from everyone and put it into a database. But it's safe. It's fine. We're not going to use for anything bad. The government has it, though. But they have your best, you know, they really care about you.

They want the best for you. Like, okay, cool. Yeah, the total. Amy Jacobson wrote about that total information awareness stuff in her DARPA book, the Pentagon's brain. Oh, I got to read that. Oh, my God. It's so fucking good. It's like the full history of DARPA and like Jason scientists and the Rand Corporation and how it all evolved.

And like total information awareness was proposed, I think, before 9-11. Oh, wow. Some of those DARPA guys, they wanted to implement this shit way before 9-11. Like in the early 90s, I think it was. So they must love this world now. Oh, yeah. We're living in their wet dream. Right.

This is what they wanted. They wanted access to every part of your life. And she even writes in that book that they were, DARPA was working on Neuraling for soldiers to create, brain chips for soldiers to create super soldiers in like the very early 90s. Great. And now, now look, I mean, we only learned about Neurling. How many years ago? Dude, that is going to be an interesting future.

Like, I tried, I tried interviewing the guy with Neurlink. But I think Elon got a hold of it. Like, I, Elon and I have talked through people. Like back when I was trying to, we had middle man trying to get me to interview him, a mutual friend. Right. And he definitely has, I think, seen things that I've said, so it's definitely not going to happen. Right. Hypercritical. And then to bring back to Kanye real quick. Yeah, yeah.

When I was with Kanye that second day, he was so pissed at Elon that me and him wrote this thing about Elon being a clone and posted it to Kanye was pissed at Elon's a clone. And posted it to Kanye was pissed at Elon? Because he got banned from Twitter. Oh. So he went on Instagram and he was like, we wrote this whole thing about how Elon's a clone. I forget. There was articles written about it. It was ridiculous. So, like, that was OG. Elon beef and then and then you know

I've been very critical on lots of other shows about him so and I know I've tried to Do an interview with him through front mutual friends and like it's just there's nothing happening there But I was really stoked to do this interview with the neuralink guy mm-hmm I had no proof what happened but I got ghosted right before I was supposed to go to Arizona to interview this guy While he was doing a lot of other interviews like a ton I was about to drive out or no fly out to where he's at Wow So look I don't know maybe I'm just a jaded person but like I've I've had issues publicly with Elon for a while. And I just, I just really,

there's a lot of questions when it comes to neuralink and what that means for the future of humanity. He used to go around saying, like I said earlier, we're summoning the demon with AI. And he would go to the Congress and be like, maybe we should have regulation.

And I'm not really a regulation person because I don't think that's going to fix anything, right? Like the war on drugs didn't fix anything. Right. But the conversation's important, right? And the people, you know, our incompetent leaders in D.C. should at least be talking about it and amplifying that message

so then everyone can start talking about it more. But it seems like he abandoned that idea, right? And he doesn't really go around saying, well, he does go around saying, like on Rogan recently, he was like, well, people will be at a jobs and will probably in 20 years be outnumbered by cyborgs. But now it's more of like an optimistic spin on it. I don't see it.

Did you see that China was hiring these people, these federal workers that were getting laid off by Doge? Oh. are they going? Like so, you know, I guess the idea is that some of them will have a bad taste in their mouth after they get fired. Right. And, uh, and China is trying to like recruit them and give it, like putting them on payroll and all this stuff. But I guess it got outed.

And I guess it was, it made a headline. So I guess it must have been a failed operation. I mean, they've got a lot of people working here right now. They have those secret police stations. I heard about that just the other day. Is that crazy in New York and in, uh, it was in San Francisco? That's crazy to like, and it was to like combat dissidents, Chinese dissidents. It's amazing. It's amazing.

Dude, we're overrun. Like, that's my problem. Everyone's got, like, one boogie band in their head these days, and, like, you name it. Who's controlling the world and stuff. It's so much more sinister and bigger than that, I think. It's a network of a bunch of evil people and, like, with ancient money and new money, controlling the narrative. Right.

So, like, you know, when I talk about post-reality, I talk about, like, these people are engineering the narrative for you to believe in this or that, right? So when I hear, you know, this Facebook whistleblower talking about the chief editor, Oh, well, that's what you call your narrative engineer. You are literally doing it. You are literally creating reality and suppressing reality. So, you know, this stuff is just going to get crazy. Like that Pallantir commercial is terrifying.

Yeah. Because you saw Trump in office first time. And you saw Biden in office post-January 6th. And now half the country is an enemy to Biden, right? So whoever is in charge, they could turn that kind of stuff against our own citizens. And that's horrifying, right? So it's like you might like Trump and his friends right now and they're going to put this thing in place whether it's a technocracy or who knows what with this this This techno like dystopia

But then the next person's in charge and they're going to use it against you know I don't I don't want that use even against people I don't like Right this country right right I really disagree with that world and then someone like Larry Ellison who's a I guess a CTO of Oracle You've seen this guy talk yeah strange dude And he's talking about You know, he does like the police cameras, body cams, which I think is okay because I want accountability But it's also now you're turning people into the surveillance state and now everyone is being picked up by the cameras That will be fed into the Clearview AI and to Palantier, you know, it's just this evil spider web of information sucking But he was like, you know, talking about police officers wearing the cameras and how

When they want to take a bathroom break, you know, we will not watch, but it will be stored away And no, he said that. Yeah, yeah. And we will only release it under court order. They will be on their best behavior. And then right from that, he transitions into citizens. And they will also be on their best behavior. So, like, these people see us as, like, just cogs in this machine that they are building around us.

So, like, the whole, the whole technocracy thing, you know, I see them infiltrating the White House, but I also see that all these guys are building their own little technocracies right now and, like, their own private cities. Have you heard Forever California? No. Forever California. It's either Forever California or California forever. But that's like, last I checked, Reed Hoffman from LinkedIn, Mark Andreessen, Substack, you know.

Smart guys. But they're building this thing, which is our private city in California. Have you heard of Slow Jamestan? No. It's a country in California. No. And they classify their, they're, uh, they're, uh, they're, uh, they're, uh, they're, uh, There are taxes that they have to pay as, what did you say?

They classify it as basically like national, what do they call it? Where they're like paying another country? Like tariffs? No, they consider their taxes to be like donations to the U.S. So that's hilarious. I have not heard of these people. But the Forever California thing is a weird one because they're trying to, to buy all this farmland to create their little private city.

And a lot of farmers have refused to sell. Last I checked, this was fairly recently. And so now they're suing those farmers for refusing to sell. That's insane to me, right? And so that would be one of the questions I would bring up if I were allowed around these people. You know, Mark Andreessen is part of Doge. Allegedly, Elon and Reid Hoffman don't get along, but Andreessen and Elon do. And now Andreessen and Hoffman, all the other people are trying to build this weird private city with their own little rules.

And it's going to be like a biohacker type of universe. You know, you look at one of these private cities. I forget which one it is. But they're like installing Tesla keys in their hands. What? It's like legit transhumanist stuff. So I would be like, what are you doing to help the farmers who refuse to sell the farmland to these insane people who want to build a private city, which is a small version of. of their technocracy.

You know, they probably would call it a utopia. But one person's utopia is another person's dystopia. But like Teal's doing that, he's got the seafaring ones where it's a floating cities. Yeah, yeah. All these guys are trying to build, I think Milton Friedman's like grandson is a part of that one too.

So it's like, I really, the future, that looks like the future to me. Like that's what's gonna take over, that kind of thing. And you're either gonna be a part of it or not. And like, I don't know, is it gonna be like the Amish? You know, like the anti-Amish? We're like, you just, oh, yeah, those people are crazy, and they live in their little private city.

Or just keep expanding. Because if you see them at the top in the White House right now, and that just keeps trickling down, and you see them trying to do private cities across the country, and that keeps going up, where does that leave, like, normal people who don't want to be in this. Like some of these people, I forget which city, which private city they were in, but they're like removing all the bacteria from their mouth. They're installing, like, weird devices in their body. Yeah. It's a big deal. Like they're there it's you know This is like the the burning man 2.0

But forever That's fucking crazy dude Yeah so I'm against that I gotta piss so bad I can taste it Quick break Are you on every podcast that you do With Tim or like how does that schedule work? Yeah

I do I typically do his night show By the way we're back from our pee break sweet Yeah oh and it was also a homicide Prediction Project, I think is the name of that crazy thing in the UK. So, like, trying to predict it. Oh, that thing you were mentioning earlier. Yeah.

Is that going to become a murderer? We should, you know, harvest all his data. Homicide prediction. Like, what if you're a true crime writer? I guess so the AI would be like, well, he's just writing about it. But that would be a good cover. I think about that all the time because we, we Google some of the most fucked up shit for the show. I'm like, God, I hope the FBI is not watching.

Oh, they definitely are. They definitely are. But yeah, I do, I do, I do, I do, usually Monday nights I do IRL with him. And then Inverted World is through him. So my studio is like right next to his studio, West Virginia. It's crazy. Because it's all like one big building? He's got one big building with like his skating and stuff.

But my my like coffin size studios inside of like a haunted house. I'm like like a really old, crazy looking house from like 1800s. Dude, the first time I saw him skateboarding, I thought it was fake. Because I've never, I've never seen him. Like I had never seen him outside of like, you know, this. Yeah. Well, 10 doesn't have like. Those are bionic legs.

Right. That's what I thought. Of course. Why would he have legs? And then when I saw him fucking absolutely ripping on a skateboard, I'm like, there's no fucking way. This is real. Yeah. Yeah.

It's crazy to see it in real life. You know, because he's down there skating before IRL. And he's got the giant skate park now in that warehouse. And so him and his skater friends are just hitting those things. He's got this one ridiculous, like vertical. Yeah. I don't know what you call it. Like, I don't know much about skating.

But it's insane. It's like a death trap. Like, I don't know why he even did that. It's ridiculous. People try to hit it because you go to the top. Yeah. I think someone like really hurt themselves. They're fine now.

Really? But it's insane. But yeah, they're down there like all the time. He's got a half pipe outside. Yeah. And I can just look out my window in my haunted house. That Russian money really hit. Yeah.

Yeah. Tent was great. Yeah. Dude, that story's crazy. That story's crazy. That story's wild. That was for the culture war show. Right?

And that's so that was Tim's, I guess it was on his, I don't know, he's not so many channels. I can't keep up. But like one of his channels on YouTube, we had the culture war. Yeah. So that was like pre-tenant before they came in. Yeah, what was the story with, what was the whole story? How did this all start? Depends you ask.

You know, the culture war started, I don't know, two or three years ago. And like, I don't even know if these episodes are still on anymore. But the first one I did was probably episode like four. And it was me, Luke Rukowski, Tim and Alex Jones. I think we were in Austin or something. It was a blast. It was more like casual than IRL is like, you're sitting on a table and we're just like the news. Right, right, right.

Culture war, we just sit around and talk, you know, about the certain themes or whatever. At a certain point, he licensed culture war to tenant, right? And that was like Lauren Chen and them. You know, I don't know these people like that. You licensed it to tenant. So like it was still through his channel, I think. Like he'd be better talking about this, but like, where did tenant come from? I don't know.

But all of a sudden they came to know. People were just like, yeah, we want to license your shit for a million dollars. Yeah. I, I, so like they say it was Russians. Yeah. Giving money to like Lauren and them, I guess, right? I personally think it was the CIA I really legit if you like look back at all the things the CIA

has hijacked over the years to discredit right because a lot of these people were like in my opinion even though I'm not fans of them like not really a Dave Rubin listener but like a lot of these people more dissident voices with larger platforms I don't know it was weird to me that uh they would be given this money

to be like it's a lot of money and some of those shows weren't pulling in a lot of views the story was that like he had to create a new YouTube channel and he was posting videos on this new channel and they were getting like you know five to eight thousand views it was the same channel it was I think they created a channel and maybe it streamed to that but it wasn't his and then the clips were remained on his original channel um I think but like yeah but like they were saying that we were told to say certain things like no one ever told me what to say like help book that show sometimes I'm not the booker but

I did help book that show like I brought like MIA came on that show right like it was just right A very organic thing. Yeah. So no one ever said anything about anyone saying, you know, this or that. You know, some things. But was the story, I think the story I read was that, like, he was getting paid like $100,000 to do a video that was getting 8,000 views. It's insane.

I wish I was getting that. That's crazy. It was crazy. It was great. Because that tenant channel was not getting crazy views. Right. I think he was getting the most of all of them. But, like, it seems ineffective if you're the Russians.

Well, I think it was literally just to get the headlines. Because all of a sudden now everyone. who hates Tim or Dave Rubin or whoever else is on that network, everyone says it's Russia, and all the comments always it's Russia, Russia, Russia. And when I say hijack certain things, like, to me, it reminded me of how, like, rap was hijacked by the CIA or, like, how the modern art movement was hijacked by the CIA, right? When they were trying to go against Russia during the Cold War. So they kept funding, like, a lot of these, like, Jackson Pollock, perhaps, or, like, Rothko,

you know, and be like... I don't know about any of this. Like, allegedly, the CIA was pumping money to fund these... I don't think the artists knew. I could be wrong. I don't think the artists knew that they were getting money from the CIA, but they from what I've heard were pumping money into it to make this seem like it was more important because in Russia you couldn't do you couldn't express yourself like that You know, like like what I was saying earlier with the weird scenes from Laurel Canyon yeah They hijacked the counterculture you know allegedly You know I think I don't know if Tom says this in chaos or if it's in weird scenes but the anti-war movement really started out is like more like buttoned up dudes with like short haircuts

You know and then loyal Canyon would that argument with that book would be like we put in crazy hippies on LSD to discredit that movement. So when I saw the tenant thing happen, in my opinion, it's like you got all the headlines you wanted. Did they fund anyone else besides Tim? Oh, there's a whole bunch of people.

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But like I don't even know how long he was a part of it, but there was like five or six people who were part of like bigger names in like the real like political like podcast world. Yeah, it doesn't make sense that if like, if these people are already like having dissident voices in the U.S.,

why Russia would have the incentive to inject money into that? It doesn't seem like it, and it seems extremely like not cost effective. Anything is possible. Like Russia has done weird things where they like, I think I even heard on one of your recent shows, that story where Russia funded

both sides of a protest, right? And like, so they got one side to be like, we're going to go protest on this side of the street and another side. So like they, it wasn't organic at Russia was behind the whole thing so they do do weird things and like they do try to undermine our society You know the whole Yuri Besbenov thing like they do try to collapse society through like the the voices and and the the universities and stuff So it's possible I personally think it was CIA or our own government trying to do it. I don't know, but it was it was very odd It was very odd because all of a sudden

My boss is in the news under like I don't know what what that was and now I'm My mind is saying, well, if they're saying we're attached to Russia now, then that allows the government to open up FISA warrants on anyone in that circle. Oh, really? Because, like, it wasn't the FISA warrants where, like, it gives you the ability, gives a government the ability to spy on people without a warrant, especially if they're working with a foreign government. Oh, yes.

So now it's like literally, that gives anyone in that orbit, me, anyone allows them to do that now. And I assume they were doing it beforehand, honestly, if you know about like the Lockheed Martin satellites that are up there, and heat mapping the globe in real time. But it definitely gives that incentive to do that. But like nothing's happened. Like if it was, if there was something more pressing

and they were actually Russian agents or being funneled Russian information, I would have figured there would be more to come out. Like that's why the headlines to me were, that was their goal, was to discredit amongst the people. You know, but it was weird because it was a lot of money to these people.

And they came out of nowhere. You know, and I know, like Tim and them, they're all like friends. They knew each other from way back, you know? Who, Tim and who? Like, Lauren and all of them, like, Rubin. Like, that's like a long, those guys have known each other for a long time. He used to hear vice, didn't he?

Way back in the day. Vice, yeah, I forgot the other place. I used to write for Vice as well. But he was, like, big time Vice. I don't think he started, like, the political part of Vice, but he was one of the first, like, people to really do like that on the ground reporting for Vice and stuff. But yeah, dude, I don't know.

It was really bizarre. It was very bizarre, the whole thing. And I think it, I really do think that there's probably something we'll find out about it in terms of the government being behind it. Yeah. I don't know. Could be wrong, though. It's so funny how online it's like everybody suspects everybody of being a Fed and working for the fed, being funded by the Fed.

I mean, probably. I see how stupid it is just in the comments. People think that I'm a Fed. And then like, I catch myself being like, that guy's got to be fucking fed. All the time, dude. He's got to be Mossad. But you have to kind of think like that. That's why I started calling a, you got to catch yourself.

I know you gotta you definitely gotta be skeptical of your skepticism but like I started calling the Fed Fed internet theory because like everyone on the internet there's dead internet theory then there's Fed in their theory where it's not all bots or a lot of them are feds you see a lot of these accounts pop up on Twitter yeah that person just doesn't seem more organic oh yeah all the time all the time and I catch myself I talk to some of these people sometimes I meet them in real life and I'm like you know interesting interesting but I know people think about about me as well I came out of nowhere I was on a farm in New York as a professor and now I'm on like like Tim's show, right?

And if you say something someone doesn't like, then they're immediately, they'll call you whatever. Massad, Russian, you know, it depends which side they're coming from. And for the people who didn't like Tim, uh, the Russian thing gave them way more ammunition to be like, well, he's, he's been told what to say, you know? Yeah. And that does have an effect on some people. Like I think there are some people out there and be like, wow, really?

And they don't look into it too much. And they'll be like, wow, was he not believing anything, you know? And, uh, you know, because I've seen that happen throughout like I'm saying, with certain things about rap or Laurel Canyon. Some of these things are just not organic. No. They don't fit. A lot of the stuff right now doesn't feel organic.

And right now it's really easy to do that because of the AI stuff, you know, and how people are duped so easily. You know, like I think half of Biden's public appearances were probably defix. Really? Dude, he was a corpse, first of all. Like they reanimated a corpse to be president. And then some of those things just didn't feel right. Some of those videos of him are weird.

They are weird. Why was he getting vaccinated? in a fake Oval office. Right. What was that about? His whole presidency just felt fake to me. I didn't get it at all. But like, yeah, I don't know.

I don't know. The whole thing was weird. It seems to have like just gone away. Like I think from what I've heard, like they're not even pursuing anything with the tennis stuff. So really? I haven't heard anything yet. And everyone else just seems to be fine. How long ago was that?

Was that like a year ago now? Probably maybe a year or so ago. Some of those people have just disappeared though. Like I haven't seen much from them. Maybe they're doing work, like the people who were hired to be part of tenant. Like the talking heads, if you will. Right. But like it just,

culture war show went right back to Tim. And it's, I think, doing just way better now. Really? It was on tenant because no one, I don't know what it was. Like, why tenant wasn't blowing up. They had all these big names on it. And it just wasn't, you know, I was like, wow, we would have, you know, big names on some shows and just,

it was like into obscurity. Yeah. Like not doing as well as, like, performing like, like, like, IRL or something like that. So. Yeah. I've noticed these weird, these weird comments, communities on like, on like X and on YouTube where like there's been this crazy thing where like everybody wants to blame Israel for everything. Yeah. And especially like the JFK stuff comes out.

And I haven't read all those new declassified JFK documents. Who haven't read 80,000 documents. No, yeah. I haven't read them. What the heck is wrong with you? I haven't read one of them. But it's funny like how how now it's like the consensus of every comment section on every video is like if you're not blaming Israel for. killing JFK, you're a moron.

Yeah, I know. And you're fed. Yeah, it's annoying. Because it goes back to what I was saying about you having one boogieman in your mind. Yeah. Like, Israel's not good. Right. Now there's our government.

Right. Now there's any government, right? I just don't like any government. And Israel's really bad. I judge Israel based off how I judge lots of governments. And how were they during COVID? They were tyrannical. Yes.

I don't like that. So I am very against that. But like, you look up the lavender thing. I'm also way against that. And I do know that they're part of, they've been a part of all a lot of bad, a lot of bad. things. A lot of bad things. We've been part of so many bad things. Right. So it's really hard to pick

apart and just be like, that's the boogeyman. It really oversimplifies the evil in the world, I think. But I'm also not downplaying it because they're crazy people. Like the government's crazy. Um, thinking that you can, if they are using lavender and they have that high of an error rate and you're killing people based on the predictive policing of AI, like that is so crazy to me. Um, but yeah, it's become easy for people to just write off everything. You know, and that, um, is a problem because it's like it's going to stop people from having real conversations about real like we're not going to solve real problems and with evil in the world if we're just focusing on one thing because it's unfortunate it's not just one thing it's many things yeah uh so yeah and so with the jfk files

it was funny seeing everyone being like oh it's going to be israel we know yeah we know and like i saw one comment that said if if if uh if i see one more person talk about jfk without mentioning Israel, they're like, I'm going to lose it. Well, it's become a fetish for people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like, they want to be whipped by Israel. But you're unfortunately being whipped by everyone. Um, with the thing

with me and the JFK files, I thought was interesting. I haven't read all of them, but I read a lot is like the, the new Operation Mongoos files that came out of just like very nonchalant CIA memos about like, all right, you know, we think we should just use a bioweapon to destroy all the crops. You're like, okay, that sounds good. And that's what they were doing. They were just setting, I don't know what chemical it was, but they would be like, I will destroy it with a bio weapon, but it will look natural.

And they'll think it was natural. I'm like, well, how long they've been doing that? Where was this? In Cuba. Oh, wow. Yeah, to Cuba. It's totally insane. So, like, but we knew about mongoose.

The files were, to me, a joke because, like, we knew about most of that stuff. A lot of that stuff is just you're getting, like, new angles on certain things that we already knew about. Mongos was just like the sabotage stuff they were doing over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So like we'll just destroy the crops and all these things. You know, I think all that's super interesting to me. But like I was looking for anything military industrial complex wise.

It's like that might be if I have a boogeyman. Right. That's mine. Right. It's like, you know, who had the motive to kill JFK? Well, okay, let's just ignore the fact that the joint chiefs of staff absolutely wanted him fucking gone. Yeah. Let's just ignore that and think Israel wanted nuclear material.

So they must have done it. Right. I just think of Northwoods, right? Yeah, right. The Joint Chiefs of Staff and, like, Lemmenser. And that stuff is insane to me. Look, look, even RFK Jr. says he doesn't believe that. But they get mad at him for saying. He doesn't believe what?

He said, I think he told Tim this, actually. When he was on Tim show, he doesn't believe Northwoods and the Joint Chiefs of Staff had anything to do with the assassination. Like him, like, do you have to turn it down that? I was shocked. That was at the, like, I think that was a libertarian convention or whatever. But I was shocked. I'm like, really? And the fact that he wanted to pull everyone out of Vietnam and they wanted to fucking ramp up.

Vietnam. You want to shadow the CIA, you know, and scatter it into the wind. Exactly. So, like, you know, I look at the- Everybody has their own flavor of JFK, dude. The UFO people think it was UFOs. It's all of them. And it goes back to post-reality.

You go online, you'll find your answer. And maybe it's all of them together. The aliens were working in tandem with Lemnon-Sor and Fidel Castro and Israel. And maybe, you know, maybe that's more like the truth. But, like, the military-industrial complex stuff, to me is like, we are now in the totally in the great. of that. I love listening to that Eisenhower speech. The last speech he gave before JFK came in the office where he warns the American people about their military industrial complex. And like the one thing that Biden ever said that I agreed with on his last day in office was warning the American people about the tech industrial complex. I was like, why is he doing that now? That was his last thing he said. And I'm like, he's probably just upset because now all these people have turned on him. You know, like all these people that were in support of the, the Biden administration are now pro-Trump. And MAGA suddenly. But I think that is a true threat.

Like with everything we were saying earlier, the tech industrial complex. But like now they're married. The military industrial complex is the tech industrial complex. Like you look at Palantir. That is a clear example of the marriage of these like this unholy matrimony of these people. Well, it's interesting that like there was that story how how Google was using like surveillance satellites or something for war stuff,

similar to what Palantir is doing. I didn't see that. This was a long time ago. Not surprised. And Google basically like shut down that program saying that we're not. willing to work with, you know, the war hawks and the government to like to fucking overtake other countries. So then Palantir basically took the ball where they left off. Oh, funny. And Alex Carp thought like, well, if I'm going to benefit, you know, and make

billions of dollars off of, you know, developing technology in this amazing country, the number one country on earth, why am I not going to try to push forward our, you know, our military capabilities and, you know, establish our footprint in the rest of the world. He's like, I'm going to take full advantage of it. All those guys, Teal especially, are very against competition. Here, pro-monopoly.

That's what they say. Teal is pro-monopoly. He'll buy up everything and make himself bigger. So that makes sense with what you just said. And, like, Altman, Sam Altman from OpenAI, is very inspired by Teal. And by the quotes about being a monopoly. So, like, we are in, like, this new industrial revolution,

you know, but it's going to be the AI stuff and it's going to be like the new machine age and it's kind of reflective of the old industrial evolution, the second one really. You know, after the Luddites, and then post-sival war, post-sival war, it's like we get monopolies eventually. You know, and we see Rockefeller

literally doing what Palantir is doing now, but organically, like data harvesting through all his competitors to know how to undercut their prices. You know? So that's just like an early version of what's going on. And it's all tied,

it's so funny to me, Because it's so similar to how we are now because we also had a new form of journalism back then with like, what was her name? Ida Tarbell or something, but like the muckrakers, right? And so now she's looking into these monopolies that that would help inform Teddy Roosevelt on what he wanted to do to break up these monopolies. You know, and I don't know how much I agree with all that like breaking things up because I don't really want the government to have any power over me. But, you know, that's where we're there now. Yeah. We're there like this Facebook stuff, I think is maybe it's not going to blow up because people don't seem to care.

You know, they see a tick-tack now, a UFO video, and no one, no one cares. New York Times in like how many years ago wrote about, we have an off-world vehicle not made up this earth in space. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, the Mexican court, the alien corpses that Mexico brought out were a joke. So it's like, when I see Zuckerberg being basically proven to be a liar under oath, I'm like, do people care tomorrow or are we just going to forget? Because we're so complacent with everything as it's crazy how.

fast that story of the Trump assassination just disappeared and how like fast like the narrative changed to like we jumped to the Olympics thing the next day you took the butler one like yeah that one is that one is insane like no one talks about it no one in the media talks about it anymore no it's there was all kinds of weird stuff with that guy right way weird stuff yeah like and they burned his body before anyone got they did like the whoever handled him they'll say they didn't but there was a senator who went i think it was a senator or congressman who went out and did his own investigation or this really interesting report he even went and looked and see if there was anyone else on the water tower.

Remember that theory? Yeah. And he says before he was able to inspect a body, they cremated him. Really? They and the other people said that didn't happen. But like, I don't know. I think the whole thing is super weird. There's that story of the guy showing up on the roof and taking pictures and like everyone

being like, he was like text me all your pictures. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The photo of the guy. Yeah, yeah. I remember seeing those videos. Which reminded me of like the umbrella man to a degree at the JFK, you know, and the grassy knoll. Like just these weird characters now emerge from that like failed assassination attempt. I personally think like it was a failure of we're in like a pandemic of incompetence because everyone's just failing at their jobs.

And then through that failure of incompetence, the deep state, whatever you want to call it, was able to sneak in a bad actor and try to take out Trump. Yeah. Because it just makes no sense. My first reaction to it was like there's no way it was like any sort of military intelligence operation because they wouldn't have missed. If it was a CIA, they absolutely wouldn't have fucking missed. Right, right. Like, it seems to me, like the most reason why vaccination is there was maybe some sort of like rogue group, a very small rogue group within the military or a military or government that, you know, met with somebody and said, we got to make this happen. And not many people knew about it.

And it was just like very discombobulated, which is why it failed. And then there's the anti-Trump people on the right, like who think he's a. bad actor who will be like it was it was done to uh to make him more sympathetic and to like get him elected oh that's a whole theory out there you know and people who think he's the antichrist and all that stuff i i personally don't think that like i was reluctant to vote for him this time because of what i'm saying you today about all these people around him like i really have a hard time supporting that i did vote and i i actually i don't know if i regret it but i don't feel good about it because i don't like these people at all and anywhere near him when i when i think of trying to

I'm like I think he's just he reminds me my grandma when I explained to her what hashtags are Oh, oh my goodness. This is so amazing. I don't I don't really get it, but it's a it's a future So like when he's seeing the rockets launch from SpaceX, it's it's amazing I don't know I like to think that he doesn't understand that these people are dystopian vampires building a horrible environment around him and using him. But maybe he does you know I I just don't my gut says he doesn't understand right, but he's just like very impressed with the And that Trump's biggest flaw, one of his biggest flaws is his need to be liked by even the people who hate him Like he hates the corporate press, but he loves the corporate press. He wants them to like him so badly

He wants to be like welcomed back into the fold that he was once a part of You know as much as he claims not to be I I think and the right with him They want to be accepted by a lot of these people. That's why they all freak out when someone some celebrity all of a sudden puts on a red hat Right I'm like, let's not do that, you know. Just because they're agreeing with you now doesn't mean it's for good intentions. But, you know, I still like to extend grace to them. Yeah.

And maybe I'm wrong. Right. But probably not. Yeah. What do you think happens with this whole Elon Trump thing and this whole Doge thing? How do you think this all plays out? I don't know. So like thinking back to history, I think of, I think his name was Frederick Taylor.

Taylorism. They called it or scientific management. It was all about efficiency. It was during that. Second Industrial Evolution where he's like, we need to make factories way more efficient. Awesome. Efficiency's great. But it turned, you know, there's lots of negative consequences to it.

Yeah. Like workers were suffering. It was horrible. And that's why we would eventually get the muckrakers and stuff, who saw how these environments were really bad and anti-human. And that they started to view people as just replaceable parts, right? And then allegedly, someone like Lenin and Stalin and Mao, they were impressed by Taylorism. And that's how informed a lot of their Marxist views on how to run a very centralized state that they claim is efficient. I'm not saying that's where we're going, but that feels like there's a lot of people with a lot of money trying to consolidate power into one place.

And that will have total control over us, whether it's a technocracy, whether it's just like invisible technocracy that's happening right now. I'm worried about it because when you have experts in charge, like I said in the beginning, how do you define an expert? Mao thought he was an expert and all his people were experts as they industrialized China. But the great leap forward was catastrophic. They had one of the worst famines in the world because of experts saying many things. But one of them was like, we should just kill the sparrows because the sparrows remind me of freedom in America. but then the sparrows were the ones that ate the bugs in the crops and the bugs not being there uh other then the swallows not being the sparrows not being there the bugs were there the bugs ate the crops

killed the crops but that's just one aspect of like the four pest campaign that came out of the engineers and the scientists and experts of of Mao so it's like that's like the the sick bad version of Taylorism married to um communism yeah uh and it feels like we're having we're having heading towards that because when I talk about like dissidents now being reluctant to criticize this administration. Yeah. A lot of those dissidents believed

in small government as I do. Like I want a really small government. I'm not an anarchist, man, not yet. After a bad day, it's tax day. So I do feel like an anarchist today. It is tax day. I do feel like one today. But, um, you know, they're, they're going these dissidents who were so vocal about small government

now are very pro-elon. and Elon is literally consolidating everything down. Just look at the X at X. That's his everything app. That's consolidating banking. Your whole life down into an app. Yeah. Which is antithetical to this idea.

Didn't you say he wanted to model X off of that Chinese company? I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, he loves China. They're good to him. Right. As good as our military is to him, you know. He makes a lot of money off all these places. So with Doge, I think it's great.

But like, if they, it's... So, like, where I live in West Virginia, and we're like an hour and a half outside of DC, I talk to a lot of these people who are getting fired because of Doge. Oh, yeah. Because they're like commuters, right? A lot of them are like these Christians,

churchgoers, Trump voters, and we didn't expect to be like this. And I have a hard time, I have a hard time being sympathetic because I really hate the government. I really hate these, this overly, you know, this ballooned government,

this wasteland. You know, like I love Doge cutting all this stuff. But it dawned on me talking to this one guy when he's getting those emails about like, what are the five things you did this? week, you know, I'm like, who's reading those emails? And it's like, they're not hiring new people to just read the emails. It's going through GROC or so yeah, and then I'll get like the, oh, that's a leftist talking point. I think it's a fair talking point to make. Like, I don't, I don't like the

AI overlords running everything. And so I'd see that as the future is like they're going to slowly get rid of humans implement AI as this digital god, as Elon calls it. And then they're probably going to fight over which AI has control. Elon's pretty close, so he's there. But Teal works with Altman, with Andrew Will. Has, uh, uh, they work with open AI to make their ghost drones and all that stuff. Yeah. So it'll be a war over who's in charge.

Uh, somebody that's a good thing for us. But yeah, I don't know. I remember with, we're monopolizing at all. I remember when that story first came out about the workers having to email what they got done that week or whatever. And like, I was arguing my dad, I told my dad about it. And he's like, no, you're fucking wrong. Fox News said that it was only remote workers that have to do it. and at the time my dad was at the VA

because he got pneumonia and he goes to the VA whenever he has you know to go to the hospital and I'm like oh yeah I'm like well let's ask your nurses I'm like ask your nurses if they got the email and he did and they're like yeah we got the email

all the fucking nurses at the VA it's crazy and it just fed right into AI you know it's like I know people who have a lot of people lost their jobs recently and now they're up against AI in another way because all these places are now using AI to review resume And if like you're if your thing for whatever reason doesn't check all the AI things and not a human looking at it, you're done. Like how do you fight?

So you're losing your job to AI and now you're not able to get a job because of AI. And these people are very open about it. Altman, you know, Ellis and all these people are being like, man, that's the future, you know. That's why they want UBI. That's why they have these private cities. You know, they think it'll be a beautiful future like Elon says where you can have a robot babysitter. you can have your car drive you around while you play video games but that's kind of what you've all Harari said about the useful idiots that refuse that society that total digital

society that you'll just drug them and give them video games to be complacent which is why I'm like we're there we're pretty close um I just I want I want people to like just reject it you don't I have to like be anti all this stuff because it's amazing it's fun but like you have to I mean you have to have everything in moderation yeah to like you know our kids are inheriting this this really dark, dystopian world. I think it's, you know, it's pretty nightmarish. But, you know, throughout history, you can always say that. It's always been nightmarish.

But for now, but right now, it's like, what makes it different is that it's literally a war in your brain. Yeah. Like, they are literally looking to get in your brain. And when you, you put all these things together, Palantir, Clearview, the meta thing with the brain waves, um, lavender. That's like sky net. Yeah, yeah.

At a certain point, that is going to be sky. And like, I said that recently on some show. I forget, and like, I got pushed back from Tim and some other guests. They won't be like that. I'm like, Elon literally just compared it to SkyNet on Rogan. Like he literally just said,

he just said he watched Terminator and he's like, oh, we're almost there. I'm like, he's the guy making this stuff. Yeah. So like I'm basically on my own research, but I'm also listening to these guys

talking about it every day. It's interesting. Yeah, because Rogan seems to be one of the guys that's super optimistic about it. I mean, he's been talking about the Nererlink and he's like obsessed with this idea

of, of nonverbal communication with not into it. With, like, you know, being able to see people or basically transmit thoughts back and forth and be able to understand people's intentions, like immediately. Not good. He seems to be a really big, big fan of it or really interested in this idea. Yeah. He asked Mark Andreessen when he was on recently, like, how long until we get the AI government?

I get it. You know, he's in that world. He's in Austin. A lot of these companies are there. He's talking to these people. He's seeing a lot of the positive aspects. You know, like Tim Poole recently interviewed, I think, David Sacks, when the AI like czar.

And, you know, Tim was starting an interview with like, talking about more like the consequences of AI. And Sacks was just like, I'm tired to talk about negative consequences. Yeah. I'm like, I'm sorry. There's a lot to talk about when it comes to. We're allowed to have concerns over these things, especially when you all go around saying we're going to be out of jobs.

Yeah. Like there's, there's beauty coming out of it like for forever. I've refused to use any AI. Yeah. I've never touched it until very recently. I've been asking GROC questions just to see. Because I feel like I've been criticizing. It's like when people criticize a movie they've never seen.

And I've been like, I got to use it. You know, just see what it's like. And it's fascinating. Yeah. Because I'll go back and use Google for the same questions. And they suck. Like, GROC is way better. Is it really?

From so far, I can ask certain questions about history. And it gives me a way more in-depth look. You know, obviously I can go read a book or go get a book on Google books or buy a book. you know, listen to something, there's, there's that route. But just in terms of the AI answers on Google and the AI answers on GROC, so far GROC is better. I'm like, I understand how this is awesome. Yeah, but what happens when you start asking GROC and Google different questions about history and they both give you completely different answers?

Right. GROC's like it's missing. Who is the villain in World War II? Google says Hitler. GROC says it was Winston Churchill. Because now the AI is going to have its own post reality. And they're going to be competing. Right.

Who programmed? Just like when... Well, that's the way, that's how you get power is you fucking split the population out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's where we're at. We're so fractured now. Yeah. There's no, you can have anything you want, any reality you want. It's, that's kind of going back to how I was saying about I needed religion in my life because I was spending out control. And like, one of my kids has some sort of moral center. Yeah. Because I was like, look, I'm a very flawed person and I know nothing because I'm just a little human being. But I need to attach myself to something ancient, but also

modern, which is a weird thing for me to think, you know, after years of not taking it seriously. Yeah. But a lot of the things I see. see when I read the Bible, I see like that evil is just, it's infinite. Like it's never, it's always here. It's the same thing. We're always up against the same sort of thing. It's always a war for you. It's just a different ways of doing it. So like that, that's for me where I'm coming from at it now, because I needed like some sort of shield against the evil. Because I think it's just straight up evil. I think a lot of this stuff is very anti-human, even though they bill it as a beautiful thing. They say it's positive. They say it's going to be great for you. Um, and

And that's like, you know, they say like when Elon's saying, you know, you can have, you play video games all day. It's going to be great. You're going to be smarter. That hasn't been the case. We have we were more connected now than ever, but people are more isolated. Suicides are up. Yeah. The made program in Canada was like 5% of deaths a year ago. So you just sign up for suicide in Canada. Like we're not well. Right. Right. The kids are not smart. They're not smarter. They're dumber. I was a professor for a while. Trust me. It's not good. The public school systems are failing the kids. Um, um, so. So, you know, I would get kids in and be like they didn't know what even the degree that temperature freezing was. Like, they just didn't have basic skills. So, like, when they say the AI is just going to make everything better, I don't think so. I don't think so. Like, allegedly the AI just passed a Turing test the other day. Yeah, I saw that. And I was thinking, like, does that mean just humans are dumber and getting worse at recognizing AI versus humans?

You know, they said it was like a 75% success rate or something. And I don't doubt it. You know, when I'm reading the Grock things, I'm impressed. I'm like, this is, it's eerie. I try to test Grock a lot. I'm like, I'll put up really dry humor a lot. And I like to see what Grock says about it now. Like, I kind of tricked it yesterday, but not really.

I was like, I put up a quote that I said was from Katie Perry, and I put up the picture of the astronaut who was stuck in space for nine months. But the quote wasn't from Katie Perry. It was from William Shatner when he was in the Blue Origin thing. And I just want to see if Grock would know that this was like super dry. because it's caught other really dry humor. And it didn't. It was like, this is a Katie Perry quote from her blue origin.

I'm like, that's nice. Now that I say it, now it's going to be like, oh, now we know. Right. But I was curious because I'll say one sentence, just like jokes on Twitter, it immediately knows it's a joke, even though it's very dry. Interesting. I'm like, that's impressive to me. The fact that it's starting to register sarcasm.

Yeah. So now that means, you know, now I'm feeding it. You know, we all are. And it's going to get better at every. because it's just been eating everything we do, because it's a vampire. Yeah. The, the, the,

the neurolink, telepathic communication thing is like super crazy to me because it's like, you know, some people like Rogan think it's a great thing because you're gonna, you're gonna be able to catch people in lies or be able to like tell if people are trying to fucking sell you some horse shit or whatever and it's gonna make, it's gonna make communication better and it's gonna get rid of nefarious or bad actors. But like, if you think about. thoughts, right? At least my thoughts. My mind is like a hornet's nest of just crazy shit running around. And it's not necessarily things that I want people to know. Right. Right. Like if I'm like for a reason.

If I'm right, if I'm like waiting in line or something and I see something, I might have some fucking crazy fucked up thought go through my head. That doesn't mean that's what I want to communicate to that person. And how does that machine now tell the difference between right? A passing just crazy thought. Yeah. And you having that real thought. Right. Because like think about like when you communicate like when you like you would better than anybody. Like when you write something, like you have to go through a lot of refining. Oh, yeah. There's drafts and drafts.

There's drafts, right? You have to draft things to distill it down to the most optimal way to communicate this idea to somebody else. Right. But when you're removing all these layers of refining and drafting communication, you're just going straight from this fucking hornet's nest cluster fuck of chaos in your mind, straight to somebody else. It's going to be just, it seems like just. massive miscommunication. It's not gonna be good. It's gonna overwhelm people, first of all.

Probably make it so you only wanna go outside. If you can have that, if you have that ability and you're like connected to this network. But then also it'll feed into this idea of the like the homicide prediction unit. Yeah. This is predictive policing within your brain. You know, and how are they gonna parse

through bad ideas? Who's looking through the bad ideas? You know, like, I already don't like, you know, Googling certain things. If I'm writing a story and like, it's a crazy thing I have to look up. Now I'm like, oh, now they know. I looked into that. You know, I just, it's, it makes me very,

uncomfortable but that's like that's that is the final frontier is inside your brain yeah knowing what you're thinking you know it should be about body language you know in person you know and just sharing your thoughts without someone imagine what it would be like to think while in a conversation you know like right now we're different like there's other thoughts happening while we're talking and there's a screen now that playing the other thoughts that's kind of interesting actually for the show but alarming you know because and that's what meta is doing where it's like we're going to read the brainwaves and translate that into an image. So like,

it's going to be great for the companies that want to sell you stuff and great for the, great for the police who want to police you, great for the war companies that want to destroy you. But it's just another step in hurting like interpersonal relationships, like just how they should be. You know, like I just think it should be as least amount of technology as possible. Yeah.

I say that as we're surrounded by cameras and TV and the phone. Right. But like this is still, you know, it's like it's just radio, you know. to me. And yeah, I, I, I really reject that society. And I really do worry about the kids who are gonna grow up and not have that foundation where they really like cherish personal relationships, you know, like the, the lady who drove me here today, uh, she's been learning English for two

years. And she uses her driving, uh, to learn English. So she immediately, she was, like, this lady's really chatty. What's up at that? And then she told me eventually like, I'm learning English right now. Oh, really? And it was a very choppy. So I'm like, now I'm like her data set. for a large language model, you know. But like, I love that. You know, I love that. Like, I get to learn about her history, you know, real quick, 20 minute drive. We're talking about all this stuff.

We're talking about music, English, Spanish, all this stuff. And, you know, these are things I kind of, like, miss with a lot of the world today. I was very mad when Easy Pass happened in New York because they got rid of all the toll booths. And I'm my psychopath who would have conversations with the toll booth people who really people behind me. But, like, one of my early stories for Inverted World started at a toll booth because the guy, my wife's name is Nancy his wife's name was Nancy Oh wow

And I don't know how that even started But every time I go to the toll booth He gave me like an extra little bit of information From his life And like his brother was like shot by the police Because the Irish mafia Paid them off to do it In Hell's Kitchen in New York City

Crazy story And I was like this isn't So every time I go through the toll booth And he was there He'd tell me more of the story And eventually I'd go to his house And I had a long really chat Where I interviewed him

And it turned us into a story. I miss that. Now it's just drive right through. I know it's like a small thing. I love that ability to just talk to people. Yeah. People would honk at me and it wasn't the most polite sometimes. I just need to know why you think they buried him underneath, you know, this concrete slab, you know, where they were building a racetrack.

It was fascinating stories. You know, and I love getting those stories from people. Yeah. So a lot of this stuff that's happening today is making us way more isolated. Yeah, it's really rare. And it's something that I noticed. too like with a lot of the the media and the reporting and the journalism that goes on nowadays like like far less of it is people actually going places and talking to people there and like getting

firsthand experience of is most of the like I feel like 90% of the reporting and the journalism that comes out nowadays is reporting on you know like third fourth fifth hand stuff oh yeah right it's yeah it's disgusting it's like the human centipede yeah of information and this is like There's a debate that Twitter was having just in the past week because of the Douglas Murray. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That was, and I hate the way that he did that, too, because he was trying to use that, like, to discredit Dave. Oh, you haven't been that?

What are you even talking about? And it's like I didn't agree with him in that point because it doesn't matter. Like, it's on the ground reporting is great. Yes. But it shouldn't be the, like, the ultimate thing to your opinions. And like I mentioned the Walter Durante story where he was going to, you know, the Soviet Union. And he was given, like, the nice pre-packaged tour. He didn't see the famines.

And eventually, I guess he did know, but he didn't report on him. And he won a Pulitzer. So that's on the ground reporting. That's fake. Yeah. And we know you can name any war what's going on. And they go and they get like just a nice tour from that government who wants you to be a propagandist. So when I said that, people were like, oh, so you don't think on the ground reporting is important.

I'm like, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that this guy is discrediting Dave's opinion because he hasn't been to this place. But it doesn't always matter. Right. However, it is important to go. And I want all the people to go so I can get all the perspectives. I've done on the ground reporting for a bunch of different things. Like I was able to see like the border wall at Yuma and it was insane.

It was crazy and I even thought it would be. Not in terms of like people running across the border, just in terms of like how dystopian are the edge of our country is. And there's just this giant like wall that homemade ladders are thrown over, you know, that they climb over. And like the, uh, the border patrol, they're insane. You know, they don't care. The ones I met at least. They were more worried about me driving around for my story. I was allowed to be there than they worry about people coming over the border.

Yeah. And the amount of fentanyl coming through like millions of pounds coming over the border in tunnels or through drones. And I thought that was fascinating. So like I got that, but, you know, I always say like, don't just trust me. Right. I'm just one person with a whole lot of baggage in my brain. You know, read as much as you can, whether it's on the ground or not, right? Because there's also books, you know.

So that was a really interesting debate for me. but also like a really important one to have, especially right now what we're talking about with media and everything going on. Because look at all these influencers in the White House. They're on the ground. I'm like, I don't feel like I'm getting the full story from them.

You know, like they're right there. And they're not asking the questions I think are important. Yeah. I think it could. And they'll be like, well, it's still early.

But I'm like, I don't know. There's a lot going on right now that I think we should be talking about. You know, I don't, I'm not in my life when I'm talking these people in West Virginia, a lot of this,

awesome stuff coming out of Doge. It's, it's awesome, but it's like an abstract joy because everyone's still suffering, right? There's still like, we're all poor. And like, the gas prices haven't dropped yet, by us at least.

The food's still expensive. Everyone's living paid a check to paycheck. So while it's amazing that we're cutting all this stuff with Doge, you know, there hasn't yet been real, like, improvement to people's lives. And then I guess the argument would be like, well, it takes time, totally.

But it just sucks that in the inverse, it can be overnight for you, them to ruin your life. Yeah. You know, like when Biden got in, um, with the pipeline,

like it was like the Keystone pipeline. Like, he cut that in like immediately, whatever pipeline it was. And that had a direct impact on everyone. Yeah. In prices. Yeah.

Um, so I wish it could be the opposite now. I'm just, I'm seeing a lot of people not really getting on board of it. And I'm seeing a lot of people really, uh, disenchanted. Like my,

the, to tie all this AI stuff and Trump together and then with Maha, uh, like the AI movement and these tech billionaire vampires, are in direct conflict with Maha. And day two of Trump's, of him being in office right now, he announced Project Stargate, right? Did you see that?

No. $500 billion to AI. Sam Altman's there, Larry Ellison. Like, 500 billion? Yes. And why they call it a Stargate? Interesting, right? Because I don't think Stargate ever ended.

I think this is just like a continuation of, you know, ESP mind. And we were talking about telekinesis. This is just a continuation of that. We got it. Dude, this is a lot of. lot of money. This is a second day in office. You have to remember Deep Seek, was that, was that China's AI thing that came out? It was like

that day. So we're in like a cold war with this stuff and an AI race. And then when Deep Sea came out Mark Andreessen was like, this is a Sputnik moment. And I agree. This is big. But why I say it's in direct conflict with Maha is that at this press conference, Altman

and Ellison go up and they're like we're going to make, we're going to use AI to take your blood samples and see if you got any like weird cancer. And if we find your cancer, we will make designer 48-hour

MRI vaccines. Yeah. And like you hear that. And then all the Maha mom is like the Human Genome project. Yeah. All the Maha mom's like, what do you mean?

Yeah. And so when they see RFK Jr. Not like, you know, kind of being a little more pro MMR vaccines. Then you see this. You know, people are reluctant now to really,

you know, the Maha crowd at least that I'm talking to. I mean, there's some who are still in support, obviously. But I see this is a direct slap in the face to Maha.

There's a lot of people who think RFK Jr. is like a Trojan horse for the pharmaceutical companies. There's a lot of people who think he's like Mossad or controlled by Mossad. Oh yeah, there was that crazy story that came out. Yeah, it was the one who was Candace Owens.

Oh, yeah, and Ian. Carol. And Ian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he's been on this show, he's been on my show. Yeah. And some pretty crazy conversations with Ian.

I like Ian. But, you know, I don't know if that's the full story. It goes back to what I'm saying with the boogeman, right? it's very possible though because I the Kennedys in my opinion are degenerates I like I like the idea of JFK but like if we're talking just like on a moral level

I just don't vibe with that right they're they're like cheating on their wives it's all kind of gross to me like perverted I'm not into that yeah but like look like I can separate art from the artist I try to do that with politicians but it's a different because they're actually creating laws

about our life it's a weird thing like maybe it's like that's the kind of person you have be to be in politics and be in Washington. That's terrible. Maybe they can get good stuff done, but maybe they're like, you know, morally, they're pieces of shit. Yeah, and they most of them are.

Trump's no, you know, he's not great either. Yeah, clearly. So it's why it's funny to me when I see all the purity tests going around. Yeah. DC, I almost called it Hollywood. It was like a Freudian skin. It is like, really no difference.

Tim D.C. Hollywood for ugly people. I love Tim Bill. That's amazing. But it's true. And like, so I'm saying all that to be like, it's very possible that there is blackmail RFK Jr. Yeah. Because he's got a crazy life.

He's like decapitating whales. Bro. He literally had like 35 fucking names and addresses in the black book. Yeah, yeah, dude, it's weird. And then there's that whole story. Like,

how do you ignore that? He had the one reporter who was like sexting him like just recently, right? Yeah. That whole story was weird to me because I'm like, if that were me getting those types of messages

from some strange lady or whatever she was to him, you're blocked and we're not talking again. Yeah. Allegedly he's opening up the, he keeps opening up the messages, right? He's blocked, she's blocked,

she's not blocked. So that says a lot to me, if that's true, right? I don't know. He's never really addressed it. But, like, I think it's very possible that they do have something on him. But, uh, or if he's a Trojan horse, possible. They say the same for Trump. You know, because in my mind, he's kind of a Trojan horse for the AI people.

Yeah. He just gave him $500 billion to build things that I think are insane. I'm not taking MRI shots. I'm not like, it goes back to the whole thing of like, it sounds amazing. It sounds amazing. But like, this is all like an accelerationism, right? It sounds amazing is how Elon talks about. terraforming Mars.

He's like, you know, to terraform Mars, we'll just, we have to drop thermonuclear bombs on the poles of Mars. So that's how I see this stuff. It's like,

they say it's for the good, but a lot of destruction has to take place first. Did he really say he dropped thermonuclear bombs in the pole of Mars? Yeah, I think he told it to Colbert. Yeah, like years ago.

Really? Yeah. And he might have changed his mind since then. But he was like, well, he said there was a fast way and a slow way. I don't remember what the slow way was, but the fast way was dropping

thermonuclear bombs on the poles of Mars to make it habitable. Have you heard the story about how there's like they found isotopes on Mars that like are so rare? It's like they match the exact isotopes they found in like the nuclear, the thermonuclear test sites on Earth. Yeah. And it's like people think that there was like an ancient thermonuclear war on Mars or something. Well, this goes, this will connect to my fringe theory. This is just a fringe theory from my brain now that I'll take outside of it.

But like Elon's from a breakaway civilization. He's descendant of an ancient civilization that left Earth many, many years ago. maybe maybe that's why his grandfather was looking for the lost civilization of calahari that's where they're from you know and they went to mars and that's where he was doing a lot of the stuff or had information passed down to him from an ancient species i mean look anything's possible now and i only say that because like Elon's quote is so good you know what's the most likely outcome is the most entertaining so for me the most likely outcome is the most entertaining yeah yeah uh so for me the most entertaining outcome would be him being from a breakaway civilization. And that's why he has all

these technologies to rule the world and go back to Mars, his home planet. Yeah. And he's hopped up on ketamine, right? So they say. I mean, if he's, if he is doing all this stuff, he's got to be hopped up on something. Yeah. Just like, you know, JFK was hopped up on stuff too. Yeah. Were they given him? Was it? I forget what, he was on amphetamines or something. Have you heard the story of, um, uh, JFK and Timothy Leary? No. Was it Timothy Leary? Um, there was a story how, um, this one lady named Mary, I forget her last name, but she was one of his, like, lovers. And she went to Timothy Leary and she's like, hey, um, I need some LSD. I have a really powerful friend that wants to try it. But she wouldn't tell him who it was. And he's like, I want to go with you. I can, you know, give it to him and, you know, explain it to him and all this stuff. She's like, no, you can't even know. I can't tell you anything about it. And, um, the, um, the. story is that she like gave uh kennedy the lsd they did lsd together and that was like the prescifice of him wanting to like back out of vietnam and do all this stuff and then that lady

was whacked while she was on a run like a year later what this is who it was yeah mary pinchott holy timothy leary was associated with mary pinchop mire um and she oh her husband was in the cia too of course leary uh leary supplied her with lSD and she used it with her lover jfk there's a whole book about it Mary's Mosaic and Leary later claimed that Meyer helped influence Kennedy's views on nuclear disarmament and reproachment

and reproachment with Cuba. Dude. They M.K. Ultrad him. Yeah, that's her. Yeah, I'm right. That's crazy. Yeah, that's a really wild story. I'm pretty sure him and Jackie were on amphetamines too. Weren't they getting like some kind of crazy drug injected into them? I don't know. Yeah, like, I think

it was emphetamins. They called it like the happy doctor. Really? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, and it ended, I mean, he stopped it at one point But I'm pretty sure he was on something, but they all are. They all are. You kind of have to be. I always wonder what Trump's on. That guy's like a fucking machine.

Yeah, he claims to be clean. Elon's definitely on something. I know you've talked about Kanye, too, how he's just like a workaholic. Yeah, yeah. I saw him eat nothing. Like, I think I saw him eat once in like 24 hours. Really? It's crazy watching these people.

They're just, fame, like that level of fame, you almost become an alien. Like, you're a different species. And like watching the Kanye, you know, I'm watching him, do fashion, architecture, politics. He's trying to rewrite

the Constitution in a night with Reddit and then making music all, like in one space. And like, how was he trying to rewrite the Constitution?

Oh, he thought, he thought he could weaponize the autists online to rewrite the Constitution to fit what he thought would be more like Christian-based views. Oh, wow.

And like, he wanted to put blasphemy laws in place, which I get, but I'm like, I don't want that because I'm like, because we're totally deranged society, but I'm like,

dude, you put blasphemy laws in place then there's no you like you can't exist no there's no young Kanye right and like there's no Manson like despite my like I have my own thing going on I think I also believe in free will

right so this is like a way of installing like a determinist worldview onto people which is what AI is doing too if you do predictive policing and stuff like that so I'm against all of that right but he was really trying to like rewrite the Constitution which is a hilarious thing to think and I'd be like you know what I'm gonna rewrite the Constitution

Yeah. Hilarious. And he hired a constitutional lawyer. Really? I'll talk to him. I know that lawyer. Like, he has talked about two serious people, like, about this. Because the founding fathers went out of their way to make sure that religion and Christianity was in no way tied to the Constitution.

Like, those guys, a lot of those guys were anti-Christian. Yeah, some of them were like Christians, I guess. And, like, some of them were Christian. But, like, it's. Masons. Yeah, there's a lot of that, too. A lot of Masons still today. Have you heard the original national anthem?

No. It's like an ode to Bacchus. No. Yeah, the wine god. Of course. I had no idea. Yeah, that's a wild shit. The masons, like, that's another boogeyman for people.

They think it's all the masons, what the Illuminati is the masons. I don't think it's that simple, but there's certainly super dark masons out there. Yeah. Like doing weird stuff. And I've known some people who have become masons, and they've said, like, when you enter, you can become a light mason or a dark mason. This is one of these things I haven't looked into all that much. But, like, it's always been weird to me, how many presidents. have been masons and how much architecture has been informed by masonry obviously um but like in dc in

particular so like i don't know but it just seems like another one of those things like it's just another weird dark cog in this like machine that's just grinding away at at america in the world and all the stuff but like my only real experience with with uh going to one of those places not the masons but the odd fellows was i went to an odd fellows to play a show with my old band we're like a death metal show and we show up and as an odd fellows and I see a door in the wall and I pull it open it's just a skeleton inside and that's interesting that's very interesting a real one yeah yeah wow I put beer in its mouth and then our and then our van exploded oh wow yeah not fully but we were we were we were uh didn't you say you played with horse the band um we might open for them but I I know John Carroll

who was their drummer oh really yeah he's now he's in the sawtooth grin which is like one of my favorite bands okay okay but yeah horse band's great but yeah I was like playing in shows with like those bands for years, like for 10 years, all around like the country, not like for half the country. We didn't make it really out west much, but during MySpace days.

Just booking tours on MySpace. Yeah, yeah. I remember those days. To go to Alabama, you know, for the night. Florida was always the best. Florida and Virginia were like our favorite places to go. Tampa, Florida is the death metal capital of the world, man. Is it what?

Cannibal Corp here? Yeah, cannibal corpse. A lot of them. Yeah, do great metal in Florida. Shai Halude came from here, great hardcore band that left Florida and then moved to my neck of the woods in New York and Poughkeepsie. Like I said, Manson.

Yeah, I always love coming to Florida. I almost died in Tampa, though. Really? Yeah. Back in my drug days, I had bad issues with drugs and bought some things I shouldn't have bought. What kind of drugs? It was like Oxycontin, I think. And I was at a bad pill phase in my life. I broke you both knees.

Oh, really? At shows. One knee playing a show, where it was? Somewhere in New York, the whole thing just, that was horrible. And then a few months later, I had a Dillingerer skate plan show. when they were playing 43% burnt in The Chance of Poughkeepsie, someone jumped off the balcony above me and landed on my knee and broke during that breakdown the end of the song.

That sucked. But so I got like addicted to pills. And I was in my early 20s. Yeah. Real shame. Uh, and a very horrible thing. So it came down here. I'm still into that stuff.

And a friend was like, we can get some good pills. And we went and, I actually thought of this as I was driving here because I'm like, ooh, I kind of like had like an aftertaste of the pill, like being here. Oh, God. I know a lot of people who died from pills. Oh, it's horrible. Bought pills from a dude outside. I think like a dog track or something.

Yeah, there's a dog track. And this guy had an OD. He had OD years prior and lost all his fingers. So I picked the pills off of his mitten skin hand that had no fingers. It was like a balloon knots attached to his little fat skin hand. Holy shit. I'm just like, doop. And we snorted it.

And I had never gotten so sick. I thought I was going to die. Yeah. It was the worst. I've ever felt and I was typically not doing stuff like that after the pills yeah but like not snorting stuff yeah you know and that was really disgusting throwing up for like days yeah but it was the highest I'd ever been like it was insane how you know how that was went right to my brain I'll never forget that guy's hand in the dark Jesus Christ I should have known from

that like me you should not touch anything yeah after you know leaves this like giant bear claw um so that's my memory of Tampa and playing shows down here yeah a lot of drugs around here man Yeah, it's just like us. Not a lot of people who die. I thought I was talking to my buddy the other day. I was like, dude, it's a miracle we made it through.

Seriously. Because we know so many, like so, there's been so many casualties of fucking pills and opiates around here. That's how me and my friends feel too. Just like, because we were doing a lot of stuff,

you know, horrible things like robot tripping. Yeah. Yeah. You know, choros eating and like, you can't even do that anymore though. Not that you should,

but drinking like, you know, taking these pills and drinking 40s of old English. Like just ridiculous things. Listening to a bands like Earth Crisis who were straight edge singing along like, I am straight edge while taking swigs of like crazy horse.

And like I look back a lot. I'm like, how did we make it? Yeah. Because we were very lucky. Very lucky. Yeah. There's something weird about drugs and music where it's like the best music

comes out of people who are on a lot of drugs. Yeah. Or like have big time drug problems. That's why the government gave the doors acid. You know, that's why everyone got acid. Really? I mean, just look what. it did to music.

Yeah. Like with the Beatles, with the Beach Boys. Like, I love the Beach Boys, a big time Beach Boys fan. When Brian Wilson started doing drugs, they got really good. That's how we got pet sounds. It's my favorite favorite. Oh, really? Right? God only knows is my favorite song. All my children were born to that song,

and my wife walked down the aisle to that song. I'm obsessed with that song. I love that. It's such a beautiful song. But like, him doing drugs really changed the way he viewed music. I guess he has synesthesia, synesthesia, as well where you can see you correlate sounds and colors. Kanye says he has a two. But he hears these voices, you know,

and then the drugs accelerated that. He sent Beach Boys out on tour, and he's like, I'm not touring anymore, I'm gonna stay home and like crazy music. Yeah. And PetSounds is crazy. And I mean, he might have been MK Ultron, honestly, because he had a bad, his life was crazy, you know, after Pet Sounds, he did on Smile, which is a great record.

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And if you listen to Good Vibrations, how it came out initially, how he envisioned it. It was like this, you know, path of the American history leading up to good vibrations. And it's such a beautiful crescendo. But he's on massive drugs. And while recording that, you know, he's thinking he's manifesting fires.

Like there's a part on Smile where he's saying, it's about a Leary's cow. Chicago Fire and stuff. And he starts a fire in the studio. And they're all wearing like firemen hats. And I actually talked to the lady who played bass on that song. She's still alive. She's amazing.

She's part of the wrecking crew, which is part of that group that played a lot of his tracks in studio. And he, a fire started like on some down the road or something or across town. And he was like, I did it. I started that fire with my brain. You know,

like he, so drugs were interesting. But like, that's all to say that shouldn't do drugs. But it definitely made, made music way interesting. And so he's doing that and making that. And now the Beatles are competing with him.

Yeah. Because the Beatles are seeing, like, he sees the Beatles and he's like, I need to do something better. And the Beatles see him. And now they're competing. And like, I'm not the biggest. I like the Beatles. I'm not the biggest fan.

And, uh, but it's amazing to see that competition. And then how the drugs were injected into either camp. Yeah. All of them, you know. But like, I'm very glad I don't do drugs anymore. Yeah. And then you see like when artists get off drugs and they sober up. Like the music's just not the same.

There's like this intangible thing. that disappears. It doesn't always work. Yeah, I'm trying to think like maybe when little Wayne got out of jail, like it kind of stunk. I'm a big fan of Wayne. Like I like Cardo 3 and stuff, but he's probably not sober now. But like, yeah, it doesn't always happen. They lose whatever that is. It's like a recklessness or it opens up. But it's sad because like a lot of artists. I think Gucci Man is the best example. Like you said, his stuff's still good, but like there was something about that moment, that period in time where he was just cranking out. Fat Gucci. Yeah, fat fucking beer belly Gucci.

It was a good time. Just cranking out multiple tracks per day. Coming out on that Piff. Yeah, dude. Oh, man. I miss those rap blog days. Yeah, dude. I go to not write.com all the time.

It's like my favorite blog to get rap songs. But like now he got a jail and he's like he's ripped and he looks good. Yeah. He's put out some good songs. But like no, I agree with like that song Lemonade, old school. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Great. Great song. First day out. Oh, God. That's the best one. I'm going to probably listen to that tonight now. Something about being in warm weather too. always makes you want to hear Gucci.

Yeah. He's from Atlanta. He's Georgia, right? Atlanta. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that stuff, though. But yeah, I don't know. Like, the drugs, like, we did it, and it definitely influenced our music because we were writing some, like, real trippy, like, weird death metal with jazz.

Yeah. But it was, it was fun to, like, just get in a basement and be, like, crazy, you know, and just get crazy stuff. You know, and what we had was, like, a four-track recorder, like a task cam, you know? And then somehow go out into the world all high and do crazy things and not go to jail. And not die. I don't know how. I really don't know how we somehow sidestepped.

I mean, some of us went to jail. Some of us didn't make it. But my core group of friends are still, thankfully, alive, despite the debauchery that we went through for many, many years. Yeah. Yeah, it's always curious to see, like, what, like, how also the government is still using drugs, you know? Like, because the government obviously tries to weaponize everything they could get their hands on and try to like that. That's like, um, the, the most innovation and the most.

innovation and the most money goes into stuff to for war right like technology for war drugs for war like during the cold war and stuff like that big pharma is part of the military industrial complex it's part of the media industrial complex like you watch tv and like every commercials for some big pharma yeah which is why they're freaking out i think that rfk says is going to ban those and like if he does i think that's great you know i don't think these corporations should have free speech right like like clear view i i is a good example of this people are really upset when Clearview took all everyone's um faces off the internet it's just scraped the internet of everyone's face to put another database yeah and then their CEO at the time was like we our corporation

has the ability to that because of freedom of speech it's our expression i'm like wait that doesn't extend to you yeah that was his argument i think it was like on a bc or c bs something like that where he said that but um i don't agree with that and we're the only country other than new zealand i believe yeah that has these commercials yeah um and they're a joke to me and i don't think they're safe. Yeah. These drugs are, everyone has like a crazy amount of sides.

Half of the commercial has to list the side effects. Death, diarrhea. Occasional pregnancy. Yeah. Loss of limbs. How? But like, they're certainly drugging us.

Yeah. I think it's in our water. Yeah. I think it's coming out of every, they get you in every possible place. Yeah. Our grocery stores are filled with poison. Yeah.

You know, we're very careful with what we give our kids just because like, I wish I was raised that way, but I wasn't, you know? My parents just gave us TV dinners at a microwave. Right. Right. I'm halfway okay. I have like a caveman skull and some really problematic thoughts.

But like, you know, now that we know this stuff like, we are conscientious about like plastic. Yeah. And the water we drink. And like the fluoride in the water is an issue. You know, I really do think that. And like, I remember talking to the guy in our town who does the water department. And he was, I forget why he was there. He was there to count like our water to make sure our pipe was working where the city water was coming in.

I'm like, I was telling him about like, filter. water he's like the floor is not bad for you right I'm like all right like why do you think that he's like well you know it's only a little bit it's only a very small amount and won't have any effect and he's the whole cavity spiel right it's good for your teeth which doesn't make any sense right right right but cool dude then he he tells me like we go on he tells me I he says I will be fined by the county if I stop putting fluoride in the water yeah and I have to be and have to pay like some ridiculous amount for mouthwash for the public schools I'm like huh yeah

That's interesting. And then he was like, and then honestly, he's like, I've, like, tested fluoride in water. And it just, like, has this insane shelf life. It just doesn't go away. Yeah. He was like, well, that was weird. I'm like, that's what I'm saying, dude. Yeah.

So they find any way to get this stuff into you. It's like almost nothing is safe because every part of your life has been infiltrated by this stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's coming out of the sky. It's coming to the ground. You just do your best. Yeah. If you're not going to, I'm not going to live in a bubble to avoid this stuff.

Like, I know, I've got plastic all up in this body. Yeah, you know, for lots of reasons. And, like, I'm covered in tattoos. That's probably also not great. Right, right. So, I can do my best now and also teach our kids, you know, the dangerous. But sometimes it is funny. Like, we try not to eat salmon too much.

Like, because salmon's, like, part bug. You've seen that? Like, the bioengineered salmon. You mean, like, the farm-race salmon? Yeah, that they've, like, bioengineered, and the FDA approved it back in the 90s, and they've got all these salmon farms, bioengineered salmon farms out west that keep breaking out into the wild population.

Oh, no, I haven't seen this. For years. So, like, salmon. Break out? Oh, there's been a ton of like just collapses of the nets and they're just like, they're part of the real thing now. So like, they're procreating with normal wild salmon. So like you don't know what salmon is, really. But you can say that for lots of things.

Yeah. But we've watched the color of salmon change. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's not supposed to be that pink color. No, it's super weird. Yeah. And I used to love salmon.

So, you know, but we tell our kids this. And sometimes I forget, like, I tell our eight-year-old that. I don't tell our four-year-old dad. And we were at a party recently And some dinner thing They gave out salmon I was just gonna be respectful I'm not gonna stop the party and be like

This is bug That person Yeah yeah But my son does He's like Oh I don't eat salmon This is like bug I'm like oh man

I'm proud But maybe We gotta teach him not to say it In public all the time Yeah But I do You know There's certain things we talk about

I think it's good for kids To know at your early age And just be careful Because it is a crazy depraved world and everyone's out to get you but you don't want to make them paranoid. Yeah, I mean, you can really tell the difference. Like, if we go in like a trip

to like Costa Rica or something for a week and we're just, I can eat fucking anything. Pizza, burgers, tacos, drink beer. And I feel fucking great. I feel light. And then you come back home and you realize like just going to Chipotle, you feel like you just ate a pound of concrete after.

It affects your whole body. It feels super heavy. I mean, the difference is, is crazy that you can feel it yeah it's gross to me yeah I really

that's why it's like it's this weird controversial topic these days we were talking about in like in the political world about like if food stamps should allow people to buy this poison stuff

right right my take is no because it's our money and I'd rather not poison people I also don't want my money going to like abortions or Stinger missiles Pallenteer or like or like you know

people getting killed with the death penalty like I don't want to support anything like that. So that falls in line with how I feel, but people are like, people just have that option. I'm like,

you have the option with your own money. I'd rather not. I also like, you know, it's a hard thing to talk about with people where like they want to tell companies don't make that stuff. I'll stop there though,

right? Because I'm like, I don't want to really tell the companies what they can and can't do. Yeah. But it's all, you know, it's all like a gray area.

Because that's in conflict with my idea of the monopolies now, right? And like, what are we going to do with these giant tech companies that are, that are taking over.

As I said, like, it's a reflective of what happened with the monopolies with Teddy Roosevelt and the trust busting and all that stuff. Yeah.

So I was like, I don't really agree with it. Someone like Milton Friedman would say, you know, uh, competition is the best way to take care of a monopoly.

And I think that's probably the best way because there's really no taking care of monopolies. Like standard oil was broken up and they eventually just started like reemerging, you know, and like, they'd be like, okay, ExxonMobil is now back together,

you know, these two are back there. But there's still a network of them. Yeah. Standard oil still is not here, but it is here. It's just been fractured across the country. So it's not as powerful. It's probably still doing the same things.

Yeah. So, yeah, I'm just, it's tough. It's just not one right answer, I think, to a lot of this stuff. Right. And the only way to really fix the other stuff. Sometimes the reaction can be an overreaction. Oh, yeah. It can be too much.

Like, I always worry about that with, like, the vaccine stuff, right? Oh, yeah. Because, like, the COVID vaccines come out. Now people, a lot of people think, and me, I'm kind of, I don't know, right? Maybe all vaccines are bad. Yeah. But maybe not. Maybe that's totally wrong.

Maybe a lot of them are really fucking good. I mean, we know fucking ancient people were using, like, ancient versions of vaccines with antibodies and using that stuff to cure ailments and plague and stuff like this. I think there was something to those older vaccines. Yeah. Like, not just like those, but like the ones we had when we were kids. But there's also ones like the vaccine schedule is ridiculous. Yeah.

Right. All that's insane. I'm glad we're having that conversation as a society. But yeah, the backlash we could overcompensate into oblivion. For sure. So you got to be careful. Yeah. I've got one of our kids is nothing, right?

And she's got the best health. immune system of all of our kids. Yeah. Our oldest has a few. And we delayed his schedule because we were at that point, even this pre-COVID everything. Yeah. I was already distrusting. My wife more so, right? She was like, we're going to just hold off on a few of these things. It's like, that's a lot to give a kid at once. And I never really thought about it. Right. So I was like, all right, cool. We got out of different practices. We're not doing all of them at once. And then COVID happened. And it was like a crazy stressful time for obviously everyone. But for me personally, it was like

losing the job. Uh, wife was pregnant with. second yeah had we we'd close on our first house the day New York State shut down wow so it's like experiencing stress to a whole new degree like honestly the pandemic was the least of my problems like it was like all the other stuff was crazy um so I go to my doctor who I've been going to for years and like hey like my heart just feels crazy like I'm just like stress like what should I do I'm like I'm just looking for like we're going to change your diet we're going to do this and that yeah yeah I didn't realize she had gone so unhinged where she was like the best thing you can do for yourself is take the COVID shot right now.

And I was like, no. That's what she said. Yeah. And she told me like, I made my husband do it. I made my little kids do it. You know, I make my husband mask up at the gym. I was like, oh, wow, I'm surrounded by a crazy person. Like, oh, my God. It happened to be the day that New York lifted the mask ban.

They said you didn't have to wear masks in public anymore, which we weren't doing. Nancy and I weren't doing it. But like, the hospitals made you do it and the doctor practice would you do it. And the doctor, the practice was running around like crazy. They were like, what are we going to do without masks on? Like they were so scared. That should have been like an inkling as to what I was getting into. But I was shocked.

That was her like, that was her like thing to me. Yeah. And I was like, well, she was like, it would alleviate your stress with the pandemic. I'm like, that is literally like last. I'm like, I just need to know how to deal with stress better. I've always been a stressed out person. Yeah. It was peak stress that time.

Yeah. So that's, you know, tie all that in with the technocracy and all this stuff. Like experts in charge, she's allegedly an expert, but she's lost her mind. So how am I supposed to have any trust in these institutions, you know, when I'm seeing them lose their minds. But like, and then that her. response is now discrediting real problems, you know, like there, you could, you do need a vaccine perhaps if you go to some crazy place. Right. And they've got something breaking out. But like I'll, I'm more into the old school ones. Yeah. And then these new like technological like MRI stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it's too experimental now. So that's, that's going to be interesting way to navigate the future too. Yeah. And like for my kids, our pediatrician is like, they kicked us out because we said we didn't want to do the vaccines. So like, they're like, you can't come here anymore. going to put all the other people at risk. Crazy. So, and we went around everywhere. We've been looking for, like, holistic doctors that don't push those things. And they all suck.

Yeah. Yeah. They're all garbage. None of them give a fuck. Yeah. That's our problem. Not that they're too woo-woo. It's just like they don't fucking pay attention.

We really love the fucking lady doctor pediatrician who is pushing the vaccine because she, like, pays the most attention to the kids. She's like the most affectionate. She, like, gives them the time of day. Yeah. But like the same time. So now we're like to the point where we're just trying to like, oh, we're going to just delay. We're going to delay.

we're going to delay and like not saying no because like she's the only one who seems to care right but at like the same time we don't want to you know do that fucking full schedule of vaccines all at once with these young kids yeah it's weird i think it's it's a lot you know it's weird about a lot of different diseases and who knows where what they're going to attribute to like r fk said he's going to give us like the the answer to where autism like a lot of autism is coming from yeah like i'm like what does that you mean because i it's kind of like the boogeyman thing it's a lot of things yeah you know it's like Our diet is terrible. Yeah.

The sky's filled with trash. You know, I got this whole thing I'll talk about fake clouds. And like, there's fake clouds. Like, I mean, and I mean,

like, there's real clouds up there. But they're also filled with a lot of weird forever chemicals that are all over the place. I've seen the videos of the people making clouds, the machines that make clouds. There are machine clouds. Machine made clouds.

There's chem trails. There's clouds that are just made up mutilated with forever chemicals. Dude, we had, we just had two crazy hurricanes. And I, and half my friends all believed that the CIA made the hurricanes.

Yeah, we're in the future. There's a video of Mitu Kaku talking about this like 10 years ago. Oh, yeah, I know. Talking about how we created thunderstorms in Vietnam, I think. Yeah, Operation Popeye. Is that what it was? Yeah, in Vietnam, they decided to get the Viet Cong washed out of their tunnels.

They were going to accelerate the tsunami season with seating. Yeah, look at that cloud machine. Oh, here's the video of the cloud machine. Dude, this thing is nuts. That is insane, bro. What is the explanation for this? Oh, wait, he'll tell us. I couldn't even hear herself.

This is the loudest sound you could possibly conceive. And as it turns out, the cleanest. The cleanest. Wow. Now, the most amazing thing is that that cloud up there, which was generated by the engine, is just a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen. It's water vapor.

And in about an hour's time, someone in Mississippi is going to get, watching, it will actually rain. Yep. Wow. It's going to rain good stuff. But this is like, that's got to be a problem.

Look at this guy. He's getting fake rain on it from the fake cloud. He's probably got three arms now and lost his eyesight. But like, the things they're doing in the sky are so alarming. You know, like Bill Gates wants to block out the sun with dust. Oh, I saw that.

Yeah, yeah. Scopex. And so that seems like a fringe idea. And he keeps getting turned down. I guess we're funding. But they're, They did Operation C spray back in the day off the coast of San Francisco where they're shooting bio warfare into the air over the city to see how it affects people because they're like, how do we counter bioterrorism? Let's do bioterrorism, get people sick, and then figure it out.

But now I think they're actually doing a sort of scope-back situation in San Francisco where the military sprang like dust in the air to reflect the sunlight back up to counter climate change. I read about this. Yeah. Bill Gates got his dream. Jesus. Christ, dude. I had somebody explain it to me the best way ever. They're explaining to me like how technology, like how we're surrounded by screens all

the time under artificial light and inside all day. It's like turning us. It's like you've heard the stories of what happens to the orcas at SeaWorld when they live their lives. They spend decades inside these tanks. Oh, how horrible is. They go crazy. They go crazy and they kill the trainers.

He's like, that's basically what's happening to us. We're the orcas inside those tanks and sea world. We're not in the ocean anymore. Dude, I don't know if you're seeing it down here, but like, I am experiencing a rise in mental illness in people I know, like, from back home in New York or just on the road. Like, it just seems people are more on the edge than they've ever been. Yeah. And it has to do with all these things. Politics is driving people crazy.

Yeah. Because it's a disease. But, yeah, like, normal people, like, threatening my life. Like, not just like, you know, like, we do public things and you're kind of on in the news. And sometimes people hear things you say they don't like and you send you a death threat online. I got people in real life. for like stalkers. I've got like, really? Yeah, dude, it's crazy. And like,

it's nuts. Like I know, I've known these people. You know, like, like, like friends. People, not, I want to say friends, but like people I've known. Yeah. More like, uh, associates will say. Yeah. Like people have known. And it's just, I'm watching people lose their minds. Yeah. Yeah. I'm catching old friends in lies that we haven't seen in a long time. Like big lies. Like, like, maybe they're not married lies. And they've been telling us for

years. We haven't seen them, right? So we can get away of lies. Yeah. And it's just, it's all happening at the same time, you know. And it's like all over the place. Yeah. And then you're seeing like all these really crazy depraved crimes happening in the cities. Like people lighting themselves on fire. So the guy in New York who was the corpse. No, I did not see that.

I think the corpse, I think someone died. I think someone then robbed the corpse. And I believe another person went and that corpse. What? When was this? Like a day issue, a few days ago. What? Look up corpse.

That's a good name for band in Florida. Yeah. It's a good name. That sounds like a title to a title track for Cainable Corpse. Right. NYPD search for man accused of sexually violating a corpse on a Manhattan subway. What is going on? What is going on?

Yeah, it was Joe Biden. Yeah. It was Hunter. Yeah. Dude, it's so crazy. And look, this is stuff that's been going on for a long time, unfortunately. Like, you know about Ed Gain and stuff and, like, weird serial killer stuff. But this is, like, like, nonchalant daylight necrophilia.

why? So I don't know. It was on fentanyl. Yeah. The rise in mental illness is going to be concerned. It's crazy. You know, like you've seen like Luigi Mangione stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, I guess there was a copycat today. They didn't do anything, but I think they showed up to, you know,

in health headquarters, looking to do the same thing. Really? And you see people calling for violence. I'm like very anti that. You know, like I oppose a lot of these things. And I totally,

and I even understand Mangione's problem, allegedly that he has with the system because it sucks. I don't want to go kill people, right? I don't want to do that. I don't like the same way like the Unabomber might say things as manifest with I really agree with. I don't want to promote the violence.

But you're seeing a lot of people and like prominent people like embrace the violence. And so that's going to turn into something way, way too dark. You know, I don't know where that goes, you know? Yeah. Like, you know, everyone makes fun of Tim for talking about Civil War and stuff. They make fun of him for it? Oh, because he says it like every episode.

Oh, does he be Civil War. Oh, really? He's looking at like how society has been breaking down and politics has driven this divide between us and that people are willing to do violence. We saw a lot of that during like the riots in 2020. We saw assassinations. We saw assassination attempts on presidents. And just look at Mexico. I think they assassinated 23 of their own presidential.

Yeah. People running for president. Dude, that's insane. It's insane. And that's just right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this willingness to violence is really picking up steam. And you're seeing people like understand violence.

How does he think a civil war will play out in the US? I think his idea would be like it's not going to be like everyone's, I think when he says it, people expect it to be like, we're going to march towards each other. It's going to be like Grant Lincoln. I think he sees like pockets of violence across the country that will be ideological. Right. And it'll be, you know, whatever camps, the left versus right, like that's a vague description these days because they're all fractured.

but I think it's like a willingness for political violence and I also think it'll be in my opinion I don't think I don't know if he thinks this but like in my opinion a lot of it will be bolstered by the government right? Like you think if you know Northwoods is possible

or at least they thought of it then I will be skeptical of most things right? Yeah. And like there was basically a civil war in Italy you know what the years of lead? So in Italy I want to say this is like from the 60

to the 80s, there was just insane false flag operations against the opposing political sides, right? And so it was like real things, real violence, bombs, shootings, kidnappings. People died, but a lot of it was done as false flags from like the opposing side, you know, to then what a Northwoods would have done, right? Yeah, yeah. We're going to blow up our own people, shoot our own people to convince him that we have to go to war with Cuba. And that was Lemmenser, right? The guy who brought, that idea to Kennedy. Yep. And Kennedy fired.

Lemnitzer's next job was NATO. And a lot of people say NATO might have had a hand in the false flag operations during the years of lead in Italy, which are very similar to what he proposed with Northwoods. Wow. So like, you know, I think a lot of things are possible knowing that. If we're moving towards violence and the people in charge, I think it's beyond bipartisan. Like it's not just like a right-vers left thing. I think there's like a uniparty for lack of better word. And they are deeply entrenched and it's the bureaucratic state that's been there forever.

Yeah. Right? That has a lot of power. Mm-hmm. With these talking heads, these figure heads, they come and go. Yeah. You get voted in and out and then you get a book deal or a job at CNN or whatever, or newsmax, you know? But like these people who are there for so long, they want that power, they want the power over us.

They love the stuff like Palantir and Clearview. And they totally have this idea, the idea of false flags at their disposal. So if we're moving towards some type of sustained violence in this, country against one another like a civil war but in more fragmented you know pockets of the country like the years of lead in italy um it does it does seem like it's possible and i'm just basing that off what i saw during the 2020 summer riots you know you're seeing cities burn you're seeing politicians donate money to bail out arsonists like Kamala you know like she had people staff donating money to arsonists to get out of jail

Um, and like, in my opinion, I see a lot of this is, this violence, this terrorism, domestic terrorism being born out of the universities, like, because they're, they're like ideological death camps that produce a lot of mental illness. Yeah. You know, it's sucked being a part of that university, the college war for so long and you're totally powerless. Like, you can do your best. I want to just teach kids things like how to read, you know, how to write, um, have good skills. But then you're watching professors all around you being like Marxism. So, so like, when I'm saying it's come out of the universities, I'm saying, I'm saying, like this is the line I see in my mind from to war now as we see it or like the the pockets of real domestic terrorism during 2020 the weather underground domestic terrorists Marxists from like the 60s and 70s they I don't think they killed a lot of people but they killed some I think they killed themselves by accident they were building bombs and stuff they were Marxists they believed in we should destroy this system and a lot of them became fugitives and a lot of them went to jail and then Bill Clinton pardoned one on his last day in office, straight up domestic terrorist, Susan Rosenberg,

and then my old genocidal maniac governor, Cuomo, pardoned whether an underground person in his last day in office. And you'll see like a bunch of them that were let out. And what do they end up doing? I forget that one guy's name who was pardoned early on with Clinton as well, Bill something. But they all become professors, you know, and they all start to infiltrate the universities. Because that then goes in hand in hand with what Yuri Bezbole's saying about taking care. You know, how do you ideologically subvert this society? Oh, this country has said you need to go to college. We're going to take that over and totally destroy your brains now and turn you into soldiers for us.

So I see a lot of the issues, a lot of the violence, a lot of people, the nihilism being born out of the universities. And then to connect that to the summer of what they call it, summer of love, act blue was funneling a lot of that money to the organizations on the ground doing the protesting. Act Blue was part of Thousand Currence Thousand Currence was on the board with Susan Rosenberg So it's like a domestic terrorist Who's been pardoned

Working with laundering money To today's domestic terrorists And they both had And the BLM Those two women said they were They were Marxists So it's like a very clear line in my mind Of domestic terrorism

And war And against the American people You know So I don't know how you fight that You know Because I don't want to censor those ideas You know, that's some people would say, well, we just get rid of them, exile them.

Yeah. I don't think that's the way to do it because evil will always come back. Yeah. It's always going to pop back up. It's going to have to teach, like, the kids how to have a better foundation and how to counter that in there as they grew up. Yeah. And hopefully not with the surveillance state, but that'll be there too. Yeah.

Because there's no escaping it. But yeah, I don't know. That's, I guess the way Tim would see it in terms of fragmented civil war. I guess I feel like we've been, the government's been at war with the American people. for decades. I think we've been like an invisible war, like a war on a reality,

a war on our brains. I think like the technocracy has probably already been in place, you know, in many ways. Like people argued, like, like, I think I said,

the FDR was kind of like, that was like a soft technocracy. But like, you know, we started talking about JFK at the beginning of episode. That's a very symbolic day that he died, obviously.

Yeah. He died is a very symbolic day. But it's interesting, in my mind, like symbolically, because two other, people died that day who were also very opposed to the technological state and that's aldous huxley who wrote brave new world who although he was a eugenicist uh eugenicist um you know brave new world

is kind of like a uh cautionary tale of this insane world and c s lewis also died that day same day and he wrote one of the greatest essay yeah right he wrote one of the greatest essays on um the fears of uh this technological state called the uh what is it willing slaves of the welfare state Um, two writers I really look up to, but it was just very interesting, you know, that JFK and, you know, I think he was taken out by the military industrial complex, uh, whatever that is in your mind. So I think like there's been a war on the American people since definitely that day. Uh, and outwardly so probably started, you could say you go back to Woodrow Wilson and all this stuff and started then too for sure, but I think it accelerated that day and it never stopped and whatever's happening now is part of this like giant umbrella of war that our government's been waging against us.

us forever. But I'm how optimistic. I'm optimistic. I still have to move to the Amazon. Yeah. I might not be safe there either. They're taking over everywhere. They're cutting down the trees. But no, I, despite all the darkness in the world, I still have like hope for the future. Yeah. I've hoped for the kids. And, uh, you know, I don't think it's, it's inescapable, but it's just, uh, you know, life moves on no matter what. It'll be, we'll be fine. You know, they just might read your thoughts. Right. So you just have to train yourself better at thinking. Yeah, sleep tight.

Shane Cashman, thanks, brother. This was fucking fascinating conversation. Tell people where they can find your shit, where they can read your work, your podcast, all that. Awesome. Dude, it was a pleasure. Yeah, awesome to be in the studio. I've watched so many shows.

Yeah, this is, you're one of the last podcasts in the studio. We're getting ready to move, yeah. The new studio looks amazing. Oh, yeah. These pictures are crazy. Yeah. That's awesome. But yeah, dude, it's so awesome to be here and talk.

I love it. You can find me online at Shane Cashman, all the places. And the show's Inverter World Live. That's every Sunday at 6 p.m. Eastern Time on YouTube and on Peter Thiel's Rumble. And yeah, and that's about it. All my books are at shanecatchman.com. Oh, hell yeah. Cool, man. I'll link it all below. Sick. All right, man. Good night, everybody. Know someone in your life celebrating a birthday? They deserve to feel truly celebrated. That's what 1-800 flowers has helped people do for 50 years, turning everyday gestures into meaningful moments of connection.

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