Danny Jones Podcast - #32 - Most Horrific Prison Experiences | Matthew Cox

Episode Date: January 23, 2020

Matthew Cox is an ex mortgage broker turned fraudster who was featured on 'American Greed' and sentenced to 26 years in prison. During his prison bid, he began writing the true crime stories of his fellow inmates, one of which was turned into the movie 'War Dogs'. The first podcast we did together, Matt told the story of his personal journey through the real estate business, evading the FBI & secret service, and eventually getting busted. On this podcast Matthew joins the podcast to tell some of his craziest prison stories including how he conned his way out of paying any of his $6 million in restitution, spending many weeks in solitary confinement (the shu), and experiencing the 2016 election of Donald Trump behind bars.  Matt's Patreon: http://bit.ly/2G7O0YG Matt's Channel: http://bit.ly/2EoqWnM Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, Hello, world, welcome to another episode of the Concrete Podcast. This week's episode is round five with the crowd favorite Matthew Cox. Matt Cox is a mortgage broker turned mortgage fraudster who was featured on American greed, Dateline, and was eventually sentenced to 26 years in federal prison. During his prison bid, he began writing the true crime stories of his fellow inmates, one of which was turned into the movie War Dogs. The first podcast that we did with Matt was the story of his personal journey

through the real estate business, evading the Secret Service, and eventually going to prison. It turns out he left out a lot of interesting details out of that first podcast, including how he conned his way out of paying any restitution during his entire prison bid, dealing with being in solitary confinement for weeks on end and even experiencing the 2016 Trump election inside prison. So anyways, this conversation is packed with gems and I hope you enjoy it. If you want to support Matt, you should go to his Patreon, which is patreon. com, p-a-t-r-e-o-n.com slash inside true crime. And subscribe to his YouTube channel, which is Inside True Crime on YouTube. Both are linked below.

You know, you don't, this was here the last time I was here. What was there? Was it really? There was that garbage was over there on the, I mean, this is a minute, really honestly. You're the last podcast we've done, honestly. I've been done a podcast since the last one. Yeah, I've been on a break. I've been dealing with a lot of bullshit, Matt.

I know. Can't talk about it. Do you want to talk about this? Yeah, what the hell? Is that? Okay. The painting you do? Is it?

Thanks for coming back. It's great to see you again. Yeah, yeah. We have nothing to talk about. What the hell is this? Okay, well, um... What have you brought here? The...

Is that a cutting board? It's a cutting board? Is it fan art? Yes, it's fan art. Thank you. You didn't watch the thing? Fan art. Oh, this guy, he comes...

I get an email. I get an email from this guy who says, uh... I forget his name, too. I mean, it's like a difficult name. It's a weird name, yeah. Ackle. Akal, he's like Russian or something. Yeah, he's got a YouTube channel.

He calls himself like the troll. He trolls people. He makes fun of people. But honestly, I mean... We don't have his name to plug him on here? No, we don't need to plug him. Well, shout out to you. Hit the comments.

He was not... I mean, even though, he's like a nice troll, though. Like, he's... Oh, is he nice? Yeah, he sent me an email. And he was like, hey, look, he says he asked me for a photo. I don't remember that, but I'm sure he did. In person?

No, no, it's that the email was like... He emailed him, yeah. Email me saying, hey, you know, I'd love to get a... I watch your podcast. You know, you on the podcast, you were great. I'm in Orlando.

He says, you know, I love to get a photograph with you. I'd like, you know, I'm, I'd like for you, can I get your autographed?

You know, can you autograph one of your books for me? You know, but he named a bunch of things. And I was like, yeah, I mean, if you want to,

you know, if you want to buy a book and send it to me. And I'll sign it and mail it back. No problem. So he mails it to me. You know, I actually went up to Philadelphia.

I was, I'm writing a, I'm writing a biography for this lawyer. So I go up to Philadelphia for like 10, 11 days. I come back. I check my P.O. box. He mailed me the book, the Shrinker book. Yeah.

So I sign it. I mail it back. Bail out book, right? Yeah, the bailout. So I sign and I mail it back. Oh, but when I get it, this is in it. When he sent me the book. That's in his video, right?

He makes that in the video. He makes this in the video. It's really, and it's really cool. It's like a cutting board. Yeah, it is a cutting board. But he. With the screenshot of the podcast. podcast.

That's pretty cool. Shows how he prints it. He prints it on the thing. Yeah, that's pretty cool. He puts a gel or a clear coat over it. He writes that with one of those paint, ink paint sticks. So. Super cool.

Yeah, and it says, you know, and because everybody mocked me for the whole, what? I have a degree in fine arts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he does the whole hashtag. He says it over and over and over again. So I thought it was funny. Shit looks like 3D to me. Doesn't look like 3D like it's popping out?

Yeah, something's up with the. That's super cool people make that type of shit. Yeah, it was really cool. Anyway, and he did this whole thing. And then so, whatever, two, three days after I mail it back to him, two three, I sent him, hey, here, I mailed it back to you. Two, three days later, I get, I get an email from him with just a little link. I went, oh, click. I'm like, oh, that was that guy?

Click. Boom, it goes straight to his channel, and it's a podcast on him trolling me. He says it's trolling, but he was nice about it. I mean, he's making fun of me, but it's fine. It's just a, you know, it's silliness. He got a channel just trolling you? Just trolling people in general Actually, he does arm wrestling or something, right?

I don't know. I didn't pay enough attention to him. I just saw one video. So really, you know, it was just funny. It was nice. It was nice. Leave a comment. It wasn't a jerk or anything. Yeah, he'll leave a comment on this video. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So this was the thing and I thought it was really cool. And I actually sent it to like 10 or 15 people. Like, look at this. That's crazy, man. Is that your first piece of fan art? Yeah. So Matt Cox is now kind of a social media sensation now. Would you say he has?

has a degree in fine arts too or no he's super creative man i thought this was great i thought it was so what's it like now what have you have you run into anybody in the street trying to get autographs no no i ran into one guy at starbucks like he's staring at me and i'm looking over at all of a sudden he comes over and sits down next to me i look over and i go and he goes are you mac cox and he had the podcast up he had pulled it up really and he goes is that you and i was like oh yeah yeah yeah i said that's me i said that's the danny's podcast and he's like man i knew of you i that i watch the podcast. You know,

we start talking, we talked for a couple minutes. Really? That was it. I sent it to you. I was like, this guy, this is hilarious.

This guy fucking recognizes me. It's funny. It's funny that you said that they think, like you're, people think that you're like some sort of God. Yeah, they're leaving crazy comments. I've seen so.

This guy's amazing. He's a genius. He's, you know. A lot of people think you still got a lot of money. Oh, yeah. He's worth millions.

Yeah. They think you've got some gold buried on the beach or something. I'm living in my ex-girlfriend's spare room. who took pity on me. Oh, not just that. Your ex-girlfriend's spare room? Oh, my God, bro.

Let me tell you. Yeah, you never told us that. Oh, yeah, yeah, listen. Okay, look, for first of all, she's not really my, look, she's my ex-girlfriend. I was, it's a stupid relationship. It was like 19 years old.

She was like 20. I'm 19. We start dating. We date for a couple years, and it's a 19-year-old relationship with a guy. She's not going to kick you out over this story, right? Hell no. Bro, listen, there's, she, she, no.

Okay. Listen, now if you hear this. I mean, listen, you'll realize, oh, she's, you know, we've been friends forever. But we dated. It was a typical 19-year-old relationship with a guy, me, who works at a gym, who does nothing but work out, eat right, work out. Back then, I'm doing steroids, everything. So she's got a job.

She's got an apartment. I move in with her. It's just a horrible relationship. I mean, I'm cheating. I'm doing all. I mean, I'm just a complete scowlough. I mean, I'm 10 times worse. Imagine me, young and good looking.

Horrible relationship. And she keeps taking me back, taking me back. And eventually it's just the whole relationship ends. And then like a year or so later, we become friends. And we're really good friends ever since then. So the problem is, like her mom comes the other day to the house. I may have to clear this with her. So her mother, yeah, like, like for Christmas.

The 25th. Yeah, yeah. Is that where you had Christmas at her house? I stayed in the spare room. Is it your mom live close to here? Yeah, but I mean, I picked her up. I brought her. Oh, you brought your mom over?

No, no, I went to my sister's house. Yeah, we should have brought your mom on the fucking podcast. My mom's 90 years old, she's, she actually is hilarious. Is she? She has to be if she's related to you. She's all kinds of fucked out shit. I mean, she's, and she's one of these, she's almost like a Jewish mother, but she's a Catholic.

A Catholic mother is just like a Jewish mother. Yeah. Can we get her? It's the, no, it's the constant. Oh, you don't shave anymore? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So do you have any collared shirts? No, I do, I do.

You don't wear them. Yeah, yeah. You know, she has one, ding, ding, ding. And then it's funny because her caretaker or her, like her nurse that stays with her, her nurse hears her make these just little, you know, little stabs, and she'll look over at me. Just grins at you. Like, like, did you hear that one?

I caught that one. Just constantly. So, but anyway, so Stacy's mom comes over the other day, has a little Christmas with her kids and you know and her husband's there and you know she rinse out a couple rooms

like she's got this huge house on the lake two lots I mean yeah she's just got like she's running a rooming house for like refugees or something like me and and you know anybody How much is a room? He needs a room you're killing. Yeah so listen it's a nice it's nice house so he's not even kidding he does we'll talk she's all filled up right now yeah so

I don't see the mom. Yeah. Like I stay in the room because they're all doing stuff. And then when she leaves, I said, hey, how's your mom? And she goes, well, you know, she asked where you were. And I went, oh, I said, I was actually going to go out there and be like, Mom! And, you know, joke with her. And she goes, yeah, that wouldn't have been good.

I knew her mom's kind of irritated with me. Yeah, yeah. But I was like, oh, I said, well, why do you say that? And she goes, well, I mean, she's still pretty upset. And I went, about what? And she goes, do you know, yeah. have any idea how many times I went to her and cried my eyes out because of you? She's, I mean, she's really upset with you.

I was like, oh, wow, I didn't realize she was, I knew she was, she made comments like, oh, that wouldn't be, you know, she makes comments like she's like she doesn't like you, but I didn't realize it was like she really is furious with me. Yeah. And I went, oh, well, hey, I said, if I'd known that, I would have come out and apologized. I mean, I was a jerk back then. I'm willing, I can admit that. I mean, clearly, it's, you made my daughter cry.

You're a dick. You know, I can go and say, look, I was a dick. And I totally fucked up, but I'm all better now. I mean, it was 19 for God's sake. My problem is that while that whole thing happened, like then, like that later on that day or the next day, I said, oh, I'm doing a podcast with Danny. Like, he's, like, hitting the ceiling of like $300,000.

He's, like, not breaking three. I was like, I figure we'll do a podcast and say, hey, you know, fucking get your guys to get some people to fucking subscribe. Let's get this guy up over $300,000, you know, kind of do a little podcast like, hey, you know, fuck, subscribe, push this motherfucker over 300,000. He's got a new fucking, he's got a wife and a new fucking baby. Don't get a dick.

Yeah, come on. More fucking subscribers. Yeah. Buy a hoodie. And there are guys on there that say stuff like, you know, oh, you're putting all these ads on. Motherfuck, I don't work for free. This isn't your full-time gig.

And I'm not, this isn't a hobby. Right. You know, you have to make money. That's, but. Those are just fucking internet trolls, though. You can't take it seriously. But it's still, it's like a, I don't know, I don't understand why go out of your way to be a jerk.

It's just people are upset. People are fucking pissed off. That's the new age now. People are pissed off. There's people that sitting in cubicle somewhere in the fucking office building. Miserable. Making a shitty wage that are miserable that fucking, they just want to vent and that's how they do it. Right.

I honestly think that's what it is. So, yeah, but even just people sitting at home all day with nothing else to do. Yeah, but what? This is a second. They love that. This is a second coffee, by the way. So I already drank one. Yeah, I saw that.

This is a second. He walked in here with two vent. He walked in here with two vents. Two venti fucking coffees. It's a venti manel latte with like eight raw sugars. Matt walks in here with eight? Eight, bro. In each one?

I did like four miles today on the fucking. You got a cut sugar's not that strong. Rock sugar is just as bad. I don't even drink all the sugar. I only drink down to about that when I start to feel the crunch. The crunch? You don't like Dunkin' Donuts? I love Dunkin' Donuts.

They got the super crunch. They put all that sugar in the bottom. Yeah, they do. Oh, my goodness. That Dunkin' out is fucking ice coffee. Holy share. So listen, I was supposed to go to Stacy's mom. I was going to go to her moms and apologize.

She lives like that. Tonight? Beforehand. So it just so happened that Stacy was like, look. First she comes in and she says, you know, if you're going to be doing the podcast, you know, my mom's like five minutes away from there. And I'm like, I go, okay. And she goes, I mean, you said you wanted to apologize. And I went, I said, come on, you're joking, right?

She goes, do you really want to apologize? And I went, I mean, fuck, listen, Stacy, like a saint. bro, I'm in the halfway house. I had two places fall through. Sure enough, five months, six months later, just before I'm getting out. Nice. Two places fall through. Both of them, I would have said for sure.

Both of them fall through. I call her up and I go, you're not going to believe this. She was, I got the room waiting for you. Wow. She's, I knew that you're going to end up here. She's awesome. Stacy's a saint. God bless you, Stacy.

Maybe if her mom's so close, we could bring her on here. Do the apology live on a lot. Yeah, I think we should do the live apology, Matt. So anyway, I couldn't go because her mother was having, like, her aunt is going over there today instead of tomorrow. So I got lucky and I got out of it. You got lucky. I mean, quit putting it off, man. You got to get it over with it.

It was two days ago. You got to apologize now. Call her right now and speaker. So anyway, that's what I was going to do. Thank God it didn't work out. I'm still, next time I come, let's say if we do one next week. Yeah. You're going to apologize.

We should bring her. You think she'd come on? She's not going to come. Why not? I'm really going to have to almost ambush her. trying to get her to the point where I can just show up because she's mad at me. Yeah. All we need is a 70-year-old.

So what was the total? You were gone for, how many years were you in there for? 12.5 years. 12-and-a-half total, okay. Yeah, it happens. 12-and-half years? Changes you. Between prison and halfway house and stuff.

Oh. It was 12-and-a-half. Yeah, well, I mean, everybody thinks the halfway house is they're always like, oh, so you're free, you just sleep there. Oh, bro, that's just another prison. Yeah. I was allowed to go to work and back. When you first emailed me, you were in the halfway house, right?

In the halfway house. Okay. Yeah, and it was just because I was thinking maybe we could do like a true crime podcast. How did you even find us? You know, because my buddy Trian who owns a gym, he owns a cultus 24-7 fitness. He used to be Frank Coltis. It was his dad's gym. So he owns these gyms.

It's a boxing gym and a regular gym is 24 hours. So I call him and I say, hey, listen, I'm in the halfway house. And keep in mind, his wife had come to see me a bunch of times. Like we've always been friends Like I grew up with him And I said look you know He's like what are you doing where are you I'm in the halfway house

He's like oh my God What can I do to help you? And I go man I need a full time job And he goes I can't pay you much But I'll give you 40 hours a week You can work every hour you want here And so I was like fuck I mean he was only like Three miles away from the halfway house

So he came up the first day he comes And picks me up He picks me up What were you doing? He's got I was what do you mean I was going to the to work I was in a halfway house I know, you're working 40 hours a week doing what, though?

Oh, man, I'm doing, I mean, I'm cleaning. Just at the front desk at the gym? No, I wish. I'm cleaning toilets. Oh, shit. I'm calling people. I'm taking out garbage. Okay.

I'm fixing machines. You're the gopher. You're doing it. Yeah, I'm doing whatever he tells me to do it. Yeah, right, right. I'm thrilled to be out of the halfway now. Yeah, hell yeah. It's not like you can go have dinner with your sister or something in the halfway house.

It's like, there's no passes. You know, it's like, oh, they just, like, six months before I got there, they just are letting you have cell phones. You can't have a laptop computer. I wouldn't allow to have a laptop. So I had to keep my laptop at the gym. So he picks me up and when he picks me up and I get into his Jeep

he got this huge Jeep. So I get into the Jeep, he's got a podcast on and it's Danny. On the radio? Just audio or video? He's got the audio. I don't know. Not his phone, right? No, no, it was just, it was coming through the speakers. Yeah, he's got the audio going. Yeah.

He's trying on like Apple Music or something. Yeah. I guess. Yeah, Matt doesn't. Matt doesn't pop them. Yeah, bro, I don't know anything. Listen, when I bought my Jeep, when I bought my little Jeep, I got, he drove it for like a week, right? Because I couldn't drive it.

I couldn't park it there. You have to wait until you get a parking spot. So he took my Jeep. So he comes to pick me up in it one day. And he goes, man, this is really nice little Jeep? I mean, for what you paid for? It's all right. And I go, yeah, I said, I need a new radio or something.

He goes, what's wrong with the radio? I go, what doesn't work? And he goes, and he pushes the button. and this thing slides out and goes and he goes and he touches it and it boom it starts playing and I go fuck I didn't I didn't even

and he goes oh we got to catch you up Which one was he listening to you? What do you remember? A little podcast? It was one with you and Ben and he says something about Ben He's like you gotta go on there and talk to him because this guy does real estate stuff and I went first of all I said this guy

I just got out of prison for real estate fraud That's the last person you want to talk to Well not Ben he was talking about with Danny Yeah, yeah. And I was saying, Danny doesn't. I'm not a real estate guy. Right. I said, this guy, this guy doesn't want to, even if he didn't want to talk to me. Right, right. I said, I mean, I'm the opposite of who you want to talk.

You don't want me, no, you don't want me giving people advice. Right, right. You know how to go to jail for fucking 26 years. Right, right. Tell people, yeah, how, you know, give advice. What would you do? Get a new social. You do the wrong thing, literally. Yeah. But it's still a great story, obviously. Yeah. What, my story? Yeah, the story's good.

But I'm saying he was telling me to go to you to talk to you about real estate. I was saying no, but I said, I could call. I'll bet you he could help me do some kind of a true crime podcast. And then when I called you, you said, you know, the best way to gauge interest is for you to just come on my, on my show. And I thought, I can con at me right now. What? How did I call you? He's trying to just get me to go on and tell that.

And then I was like, I'm in the halfway house and how would I do that? and you were like, well, I don't want to get you in trouble, wait until after the halfway house. And then I was going to try and do it when I was in the halfway house. Oh, yeah, he was going to try to sneak. We were trying to get him on the podcast one day while he was still in the halfway house. And while I was at work, like, I could go to work and just leave. And leave work and come to a podcast. That's what everybody does in the halfway houses, though, right?

Well, they get caught all the time too. Not when it's published on YouTube. Yeah. And he was like, I could hold it till after. And then he was like, but if I'm holding it until after. Might as well just wait till after. Might well, just wait until you're done. So we kept kind of putting it off and back and forth.

but he kept answering questions for me. You know, like I was like, what about this? What about what do you do with this? How does this work? How does that work? And he kept returning my emails. And then I was like, he didn't return a lot of emails.

He had a very, very articulate email. You don't return a lot of those emails. Usually emails are like, yo, how much for a podcast? How much for a documentary? That's the typical kind of emails like, yeah. And I just reply one million or two million. Maybe one day somebody will pay us something. But yeah, no, Matt's email.

I should show it. I should like display it. I would like to see that. It was well written. It was a well written email. I'm sure. Very captivating email. Very, uh, very captivating.

And, uh, I like to throw in the, I always like to throw in some quotes. Yeah. From like the newspaper. The, the, the, the St. Petersburg Times said this. Fortune magazine said this. Bloomberg said this. And that way, by the time you get to what, when I start talking, you're like, fuck. Right.

You've already nailed this whole process. Yeah. By, by, by now, by now, you're locked in. Yeah, but it's funny. There's a funny thing about, about, about Forbes. Like, I know, I know, Forbes for a fact, I know a lot of people who pay for articles on Forbes. You can pay to get anything fucking written, a Forbes article written about you.

Anybody. Like, there's, there's, I know. I only had a four, the one recently written. Yeah, I know, I mean, I just know a lot of people who try to, like, who try to sell, like, their online courses. I'm not going to name who they are, but a lot of people who, like, they sell these online courses on how to do things, like internet marketing or whatever. They're like, oh, look at me. I'm legit. I have an article on Forbes.

The guy just paid, he paid for an article. to be published on Forbes. They pay the writer. You can commission that kind of work. That's like a way that they make money now. Mr. GC. Nice. No, different.

Somebody else. Yeah, the guy Walter Pavlo, who did that one on me, he actually contacted me when I was in prison. Oh, really? And wanted to write a story on me when I was in prison. And we went back and forth. And then when I got out, I called him. And he wrote that article.

Let me think. Okay, so. Yeah, I'm not saying that you did that. I'm just saying that's something that a lot of people do. So it's like, no, I'm not. I don't have any money. How much you think you've got to pay for it to get an article in Forbes? Fuck, who knows?

A couple grand, maybe. That's it? Yeah. Nice. Oh, I knew a guy. $1,500. A guy that, a guy, Ponzi scheme, he got like a couple million dollars, and he had gone to, like, he had gone to a publicist and gave the publicist like $40,000.

Publissusus got him in. 40? The publicist got him into a magazine that... I'm not going to mention a magazine, but it's like... It's like a solid magazine that people go to. Got an article written about him being like the youngest... The youngest hedge fund. You know, the youngest African-American hedge fund.

It's all bullshit. He writes this whole thing. So he takes that and he starts raising money using that article. Raises like $2 million. Just straight out of these schemes. Just complete theft. two million, boom, ends up in prison with me,

and he's telling me the story. And I was like, well, I don't understand. He's like, yeah, they pay the reporter. It's like, fuck. Fake it, do you make it? That's nuts.

So what we got here? We got a bunch of funny prison stories? Yeah, I mean, okay, so yeah, yeah, we're trying to. So that's kind of like the podcast today. We got a, we structured it in a way, Matt just put together a bunch of really cap, you know,

a bunch of interesting stories from his experiences, and we're just going to piece them all together and shoot the shit. Maybe. Never done this. before so it may be choppy that's fine no choppy no exhibits this time matt there's no exhibit i'm i still need an outline i need like my story i can sit here i got a 15 minute version i got a 45 minute version i got an hour and a half i got a two-day version right we only got four pieces

of papers today instead of a fuck my story i've told it a thousand times you know so i know it's still more to your story for sure i left stuff out oh yeah that's why i wanted an outline because like when i got my car and i was leaving i was like when i got my car and i was leaving i was like, oh, I didn't tell him this one story that was so funny. It was actually disturbing, but it was a great story. Disturbing? Well, because, you know, people would be like, God, you bastard. Like, stop, don't judge me.

But, yeah, there were certain, some stories that I didn't say. I just forgot in my own, in the first podcast. Mm. So I didn't want to do that. The very first one we did. The very first one. I didn't want to do that again. I at least need something because.

That one now has like one and a half, like 1.2 million views or something. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I have a question. Blowing up, Matt. The thing says like, it says like 900,000. But then if you click on the video, it'll say like 1.2 million. Yeah, sometimes just like it's called cash, internet cash.

So like if it's on your phone or whatever and you may have looked at it previously, it may now have refreshed that page. But if you go to the actual video and you refresh it, it'll update it to the actual view count. Sometimes when you're on like... So this has been days. Oh, really? Yeah, this is like, it's been saying nine... Yeah, sometimes YouTube does that.

YouTube's weird. And yet it's like 1.1.1, you know, if you look to do it, The thing is almost at 1.2 million. Yeah. It's like, okay, well, it's been like this for fucking three, four days. Yeah. So I didn't know. I don't know if it's a thing or not.

It's pretty fucking nuts, dude. Yeah, we're about to hit 300,000 subscribers. 299,400. So 600 more to go. Yeah, you got to break that 300, that. We were on a tear for a minute. We were on a fucking roll. All right, so.

Everything good, Katie? Audio is good. I was just looking at your screen. In case we want to pull up any videos or anything, she can pull it up on there. We can look at it now. No, it's not. The island's kind of cool looking.

Okay. Oh, yeah. Like Fortnite. Yeah, it's kind of like the Fortnite island. Have you ever played Fortnite? No. We need to get you a PlayStation. Stacey's 11-year-old.

It was like Nintendo when he fucking went to prison problem. What was it? I had something. Maybe Sega. I had Xbox. Did you really? Yeah. And Halo 2 had just come up.

Oh, shit. Right before you went in. Did you ever play it? That's not too bad. You understand that Facebook had just come out. Like my girlfriend had switched from Myspace to Facebook. She's like, yeah, there's this new thing Facebook. She's like, we ought to get, we're going to get you a thing.

I'm like, I'm on the run from the Secret Service. That wasn't too bad. You didn't miss too much. I shouldn't be doing social media. Yeah. It seems like a bad thing. Had the first iPhone been out yet? No.

Came out a few years later. I actually met a guy in prison one time and he's sitting there telling me, he's like, yeah, you know, he was doing something with iPhones where he was getting accounts. He'd get an account in your name, a corporate account, and then he'd go out and you would get like eight iPhones in the corporate account. And then he'd take the phones and then he would sell them overseas. He had a whole thing on you. Yeah, I knew somebody who did that too.

Two, three million dollars over the course like two years. But he's sitting there like, you know, the way it works is, you know, with the iPhone, he's telling me about it. And he kept saying, you know how on the iPhone? I said, bro, do you understand that your crime didn't exist when I first, when I even for years, for years when I came into prison? Is that a crime, though, to buy iPhones in the U.S. can go resell them in like another country.

Like he's buying. Yeah, of course it's fraud. Is it really? Of course they're fine. I'm not going to, I'm not going to fucking disclose then the locate my friend. You got to think they're financing the iPhone.

So Apple's financing eight iPhones to a corporation that doesn't your corporation. They're handing them over. They do something with them and they send them overseas. And then they give them like $250 for each iPhone and they sell them for 500 or whatever. So this guy's making $200, 300, 300 for iPhone that are like $1,000. Right. Right. And he didn't pay anything other than a signature. Oh, because he financed them. Yeah, they financed.

See, this guy bought, this guy just bought him outright and resold him in another country. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah, illegal. What was the biggest difference when you got out, like, technology-wise? Oh, man, everybody's walking around like this. Even I do it now, they're just walking around. Just smartphones, right? Yeah, they were probably different. Walking around on their phone, driving around. What's blackberries back then? Or like regular phones?

Bro, I had a flip phone. I had the razor. The razor. Yeah, we talked about the razor in the podcast. I mean, my buddy Treon, somebody sent me something one time. And he goes, and I was like, hey, this is when I just, I've been out for like, like, the first week I was at work. And he got the, he got up, I got something. I was like, I need to print this.

How do I print this? He goes, here, send it to me. Well, how do I send it to you? He goes, give me your phone. He sends it to me. And he goes, okay, he goes, go ahead and get it. And I go, well, get what? He was, I printed it.

I go, he's standing right next to me. And I go, wirelessly. Yeah, he just printed the fucking printer Across the room, I go, are you Are you tweeting on your Twitter account every day? Or do you have somebody doing your tweets? Why, is there, is there tweets? Yeah, dude, you're posting tweets like every day.

Like, there's Matt Cox tweets that get posted every single day. Like, how's everybody's holiday? Let's pull it up. Is that you or a troll? Can you pull up Matt Cox's Twitter? It's, um, it's, uh, John. Okay. There's a guy named John who said,

bro, you don't understand how many people are there. You told me you found a guy that's like running your social media. But he's doing a great job. He's killing it. He is killing it. He's doing a phenomenal job. You know all the videos that got set up? He put all the videos.

He's like, send me this, send me that, send me that. He's doing all kinds of shit. That's great. I mean, I've had so many people. Shout out to John, man. John, you're doing a phenomenal job. Why, he's killing it on Twitter? I don't think it to sign in.

Just search like Matthew Cox's Twitter. Matthew B. Cox. He did say he was going to send me all that. I'll send everything to you. Before he puts it out there. I erase anything that comes to my phone. Twitter. M-A-T-T-H-E-W.

This guy's running your Twitter. I thought it was you doing it. No, I mean, he had me fooled. I mean, he knows I'm an idiot. He knows I've got, I can't, I don't know how really much of anything. Oh, you know, it's funny though. Like all the, all of the artwork, though, I did. Okay.

It's like, hey, I need something like this. I'm like, okay, I'll put some together. And so what, I'm going to talk to him and say, because I think he was doing, I almost the other day was like, hey, man, I thought you were going to be doing Twitter. What's going on with me? I keep getting stuff from Twitter. I keep erasing shit.

You're deleting the post and shit? Well, because it's posts from stuff that doesn't seem like it has anything to do with me. And I was signed up anyway. And so I usually, when it shows up, I just erase it, erase it, erase it. There's certain stuff, like if something from Walmart shows up, erase it, erase it. Yeah, yeah. But that's you in the YouTube comments on the videos. Oh, yeah, that's you in the YouTube.

I figured out. Yeah. He's got YouTube dialed. I got an Android, and it immediately got a virus on it. you get a virus on an android yeah well iPhones don't get Apple doesn't get that shit

yeah Apple we don't get that shit and they were difficult you know keep mine I didn't understand how everything worked so I'm having a real hard time with it and Trion was like you know finally he just said listen man he said you gotta get an apple he was they're like idiot proof yeah anybody can use one he goes I can use one

he was I can barely read right and he said so I was like fuck so I went out and I got an iPhone I you know still very you know almost no money and you got an iPhone because talked to a buddy of mine he's like hey what's going I have my fucking phone's fucked up he's I go I got to get into the phone he's well how much are they I go you know they got this thing for like 400 bucks you can get this and he goes okay well I have somebody sent you 400 bucks send me 400 bucks this is my buddy in prison no every time I've I didn't tell you this no that's why I was saying we I need to do I need to do a podcast just on me

setting up my website YouTube all that because every single dime of everything that I've done from my laptop iPhone everything guys in prison have sent me money

everyone I need 400 bucks to buy I don't have you know they're like oh you got to set up your website I'm like yeah but it's like a couple 100 bucks for this 100 bucks for this I gotta hire this chick to do this hire this chick I'm they're like well how much is that

it's like 800 bucks they're like well he's like okay okay well I'll get you the 800 bucks what he's I get you and I'll why He's wrote, my buddy, my buddy Pete, Rossini in prison. No, Rossini. He's giving you money for the shit? No, not him. Just people in general in prison.

Do you understand that the guys in prison are like, he says he walks across the fucking compound and guys are like, bro, what's going on with Matt? He hears he's like, yeah, I haven't. Matt, I haven't heard from him. And he'll go, or he'll say, you know, sorry, he'll say, yeah, you know, I, have you heard from him? What do he say? How's he doing? Is he doing the, is he trying to sell the stories yet? What's he doing with the stories?

He's like he needs to set up a website And they're like well look man If he needs anything, let me know Can they get access to YouTube in there? No, no. No, absolutely not. Never. Not in prison?

No way. Hell no. There's no computer. There's a computer, but you have no access to the internet. You have a very basic email system. Okay. It's like if you and our... It's just prison though because county people can get on like

Facebook and shit on computers in there. You can have phones in there and stuff in certain prisons or county jails. Yeah. Luke's brother had a phone. there with fucking internet. He just went to the shoe by the Yeah, but somebody

fucking boofed it in. Yeah, you understand that. No, you can buy it. Somebody brought it in their asshole. Yeah, you get, it's, it's contraband. It's fine, contraband. You just got,

I hope he's not in jail right now. You just got him jammed up. We'll edit that out. Maybe your PO might not like if somebody in there are sending you money. Brings it in or one of the CEOs bring it in. Yeah. The old CEOs will bring in a phone and get a phone.

There's guys that have phones. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And then they get popped every once in a while. Everybody goes to shoe. and everybody's phone number who's on your phone. People will put phone numbers on their account where they're calling their mom.

Yeah. And then they'll put the mom's phone. Then they'll call from that phone. Well, as soon as the cops grab the phone, they go, okay, let's start cross-referencing these. Because you can see videos. Oh, Jimmy. Jimmy talked to his mom four times.

Throw them in the shoe. Oh, look, it's Bob Johnson. Did you ever get thrown in the shoe? Oh, I've been in the shoe like three, four times. Really? Yeah. For what? Never did anything wrong.

What is the shoe for the people listening that don't know? Shoes is the hole. It's the hole. What the fuck is a hole like? It's fucking horrible. It's really not, okay, look, it depends on who you are. For me, it wasn't horrible. Yeah.

Because although I don't read well, I don't mind reading. So you get bored enough, I'll read. You just get there to read. I just read. I'm knocking out a book a day. The worst thing was is banging the door. Well, at least the whole, it can't be that bad if you have a fucking access to a library. You don't have actually, that's what I'm saying.

You bang on the door. They have a little cart they bring around. You bang on the door until the cop goes. You go, books, man, man. Give me a book. Give me a book. They're like, hold on, Cox. and they'll come back with the cart maybe an hour later.

They'll be like, what do you want? I'm like, you know, you go, give me that. Give me this one, this one. They're like, hey, I go to James Patterson. Fuck James Patterson. He's fucking, give me that. You know, you start yelling and they'll give you four books and you're like, okay, okay. Four.

Wow. You'd be like four at a time. That's it. Damn. And then you got to give them back. So they're like, all right, how many, give me the books back. I know you got books under, you know. So you got to give them books back and shit.

You got to swap them. So what does the whole look like? What does the shoe look like? It's the room in everyone, every prison's different. But in Coleman, the shoe is probably the, it's a six foot wide by probably 10 or 12 feet deep. And you've got a stainless steel shower in there, stainless steel toilet, stainless steel sink. So it's a sink combo. Yeah, sink toilet combo.

And then a shower. Shower's hot as hell. I mean, yeah, I mean burning, scolding hot. So you actually have to turn it on and let it run. You have to wait until everybody's like using the shower. some point, then you can get in the shower. So it cools off. Yeah, it's that bad.

How many people are on the shoe at once? Oh, God, man, the shoe is massive. There'll be a hundred, hundred guys, 150 guys. In a six by 12 room? No, that's their own. What do you do? One person per cell. I'm like, what the fuck?

Every room, no, you're killing me. They've got wings. It's massive. They'll put 200 guys in the shoe. So it's just massive. So you've got wings. Okay, got it. These hallways with nothing but sell, sell, sell, sell,

and they're two-man cells. Oh, they're two-man. They're two-man sales, but you don't, like me, I would be in there for like two, three weeks without a cellie. That doesn't sound bad. Yeah, but you never leave. You're in there, what, 23 hours today? That's the fucking, that's the kicker to it. You know what time it is based on how many meals they're giving you?

Yeah. Like by the third meal that day, you're like, oh, it must be, it must be basically around. And what, you get one hour out of there? Once a week, you get one hour. One hour a week out of there? Out of seven days, you get one hour out of there? Pretty much. I thought you get one a day.

Oh, no, no, no. One hour a day. They might say that, but we're talking about it's, it's, it's, it's, it don't fucking care. It almost never happens. And you know where you're going, you're going into a room this size that's a chain link fence. You can't see anything.

It's straight up sky and you're in a, it's a big chain link fence and you got nothing. So what am I doing? I'm going to run in circles inside the, what am I? At least you get to breathe some fresh air or something, right? Huh? At least you get some fresh air or something. I mean, I guess if you're a fan of fresh air, I'll, I think, I'm in a floor to my whole life. I love AC.

I could never be outside I hate outside They had AC in there? Yeah, it's freezing cold You burn if yourself You take a shower And I'm not complaining Because other shoes are horrible

From what I heard Roaches, there's no roach problem In Coleman Which is great because I hate roaches So I know guys In Florida too Oh yeah Yeah

But they've got You know Look the prison It's clean You know It's a pretty new prison It's really the garden spot Of the BOP

Pee. Most prisons are just disgusting. They're falling apart. So that shoe, although the fact is that you are separated from everyone, you can't, you can't really, you can't really get visits depending on what your secure, what your level is. It's not that bad. You know, like after three weeks, I remember time, I was for like two, three weeks. And usually they'll come, they'll bang on the door. They're like, Cox, you want to, you want a cellie? They'll say, you take in cellies. And you're like, you know, no, no, you're reading. No, it's freezing cold. At night, it's free. It's free. It'll be. It'll be. It'll, it's free. It'll. They let you choose where you want to sell you? That's what sucks is. You don't get a pillow. You get one sheet. No comforter. Oh, God, you're balling up, your clothes to use it as a pillow. It's miserable.

And you're freezing your ass off. Oh, of course. Or you can turn it on the shower and steam the whole thing. They can't give you a fucking hoodie. No, they don't give a fuck about you. They don't care about your comfort. Damn. So they'll bang on the door.

You take them cellies? And you're like, no, no. And then after two weeks, it's like, yeah, bro, give me somebody. Get somebody in here. Anything. And then they'll put some guy in there for, you know, two, three days, and you guys are talking, and you'll talk like a, like, fucking 24 hours straight. You know his whole story.

He knows your whole story. And then three days go by, and it's like, they'll swap cells. You're sick of this guy. And then the guy's like, all right, man, I'm going to go, bro. And you go. Hopefully, as long as you're okay with each other, you know. What else? So, yeah, it's not, it's not, look, it's bad.

I hate to say it's not bad. It wasn't bad for my personality type. And that prison wasn't necessarily that bad. Right. And some people, and keep in mind, I was at the medium. I was at the low. I actually went to the, I actually went to the shoe at the pen. So I used to always say this.

I used to say when people, I thought, when I get out and people ask me, where did you go to prison? I can say, well, you know, I went to Coleman. I did a little bit of time in the pen, a little bit of time in the medium, and I finished out my bid at the low. And that is true. I was in the shoe at the pen for one day. That's a federal pin. The federal pin for one day. Terrified.

I mean, listen, on my way, on my way, when they bring me into the shoe and then I'm shackled and I'm walking in, literally, on my way there, I'm like, bro, I said, you can't put me in with one of these motherfuckers. And they're like, Cox, don't worry. We'll put you in a... They were so nice. The COs were so cool. Why were they so nice to you? Well, because they're like, he's from the low. Look at this little fellow.

They knew he'd get fucking bent over backwards. Oh, my God. These guys are good. I don't appreciate that. that. But these guys are vicious. Well, I mean, you would have, right? Fuck, no. But a lot of times those seals don't care.

Bro. Is there a lot of rape that goes on in those prisons? Fuck, yeah. No, there's really, look, the problem is this. People think that they're violent. There's plenty of ways to rape someone. They can just pressure you where you think you're going to get stabbed, right? Four guys walk in on you with fucking shanks.

What will you do? Have you heard stories, seeing that shit happen? I've heard that happen. or guys and the thing here's the problem is there's a ton of matter of fact

I got a story in here this is like the most embarrassed I'll tell you it's the worst there are keep in mind there are gay guys

in prison right so you tell me if you're some guy with a life sentence and you're you're prone to

a homosexuality maybe on the street you wouldn't have been a homosexual but in prison fuck it I got a life sentence yeah

you're gonna it's not like they're all macho guys no there's fucking there's at a a thousand guys, there's 20 gay guys. And there's three fucking transgender

that look like women. That's like Jake told us. He was like, there's guys in there that are even, they're just gay in prison. Yeah, they say, no, they call it gay for the stay. For the stay, yeah, that's what he said. One of our friends said that some people just leave it at the gate. They say that when they leave,

they leave it at the gate. That's what they say. The guys will come to prison, pick up a Bible, and then be in the church all the time for four or five years. and then when they leave, they basically drop the Bible back down. What were you thinking? Yeah, they need to get them through.

Whatever it takes to get them through it, you know? Either God or sucking dick, you know? One of those, one of the two. Maybe a little both. Maybe, hey, maybe they kind of go hand in hand, right? No comment. So, yeah, 24 hours. So I was there for 24 hours.

But keep mind when I'm walking in to the pin, guys got fucking tattoos on their eyelids, their whole face is tattoo, their whole body. So wait, let's go back to that when you're like, don't put me in with one of these motherfuckers. Like, don't worry, we got you. I was like, you can't put me in with one. And he goes, no, no, no, don't worry. You're good.

So they lead me into a regular, you know, into a fucking cell. And the cop was like, he's like, okay, look, he said, keep in mind that at the low, the COs are dicks. Complete fucking assholes. Not all of them, but a lot of them. Like just you can't believe what fucking pricks these guys are. So the pen, they're like, okay, Cox's. listen, here's what I got your fucking clothes right here. I got this. Here's some, you know,

here's some cleaning stuff. Don't drink it. And I was like, like a fucking drink. He's like, you know what I'm saying. Suicide. Yeah, you just don't treat. This, this. He said, I know you like to read. I got you. Got you about three or four books right here. If you need any other books, just bang, don't push the button. Just bang on the door. We'll bring as many books as you want. I don't know how long you're going to be here. If you need anything at all, let me. I was like going on.

Am I the fucking ritz? Or am I this? Anybody I've ever, like, talked to in prison? They've never said anything like that. The COs being that nice to them. Listen, at the Penn, the COs are extremely nice. Because if you're some guy who's been locked up 10 years and you're going to die in prison, are you going to, and you're 6'2 and you've been working out for 10 straight fucking years, are you going to take any shit from anybody?

The CEO or the prisoner yourself? The prisoner? Right. He's not taking any shit from you. No. Some fucking guard mouse off to him, it's like, what the fucker, I'm dying in here? You're going to disrespect you. He has nothing to lose.

I'll beat you to fuck until they. until they pull me off your ass. And the COs know that, so they're very respectful. So what happens is in the medium, they're a little bit more lippy. At the low, they know that you're at a low security prison. It's people that have been,

they're in there for nonviolent crimes. No, there's violent, but if you've worked your way down to a low, you've been behaving. Right. So they don't want to, they don't want to do anything crazy.

Or else they're going to push you, right? Right. And they push you. And so some guys snap and they might be mad. and they maybe mouth off or they get into an argument. They hit a cop or something. You go to the fucking, guess what?

Here you go. Back to the fucking medium. Or you just take it. Because they got leverage on the prisoners there. They got a lot more leverage here earlier. He's never had a nice story to say about COS. That guy that was here earlier. He probably went to state prison, right?

Yeah, he did eight, like seven or eight years. Right. How do you figure I know that? I mean, look at that dude. State prison. I don't even like hearing stories about it. Shout out to Seth. He's a good fucking dude right there.

No, they work construction together. He's actually got a country music career. Right. In the blossom, blossoming right now. Did you have him on your podcast? Yeah, he was on one of the podcasts.

Yeah. He's the guy, the country guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a cool fucking dude. I saw that. I saw part of that. Yeah, he's awesome.

He's got some really sick music videos on YouTube. And they got, like, he gets shit loads of views on his music videos. He's funny. He's awesome. But, like, guys would come in from state prison and start telling their state prison stories.

Yeah. I can't, I, you have to leave. Yeah. They got, they don't have any funny stories. Oh, yeah. They're all vicious. They're all horrible. That's all the stories he's ever told me for sure.

Right. Because violent guys end up in state, you know, very suddenly do you, I've known murders in prison, in federal prison, but they have federal crimes attached to them. You know, most people are like, oh, so you're around murders, not a lot. It's very seldomly do you get murders in a federal prison. Murder's a state crime. you know, rape is a state crime, you know. You know, you got all these different types of crimes that are violent crimes. They go to state prisons. So you're in there with guys that are getting into fights or are breaking in place.

But Chomots were in there, right? Well, see, but if you're a sex offender, if you're a sex offender and you're in the state of Florida, and let's say you have sex with an underage child, well, you're going to go to a state prison. But if you are on the computer and you're looking at a dirty picture, federal. Oh, okay. You understand? So you get the Chos in there in the federal prison, but 99% of them looked at some pictures.

They're just looking at shit online, yeah. And they'll get three, six, eight, nine, ten, twelve years. Like Jared Fogel from Subway or something. Right, but that's, right, that's sick fucks. Yeah, but he's fucking hands-on. I mean, he's all fucked up. He went to the next level. Yeah, he's, and the fact that he only got like 15 years or something?

Is he still in it? What exactly did he do? I didn't even pay attention to it. He's doing multiple things. He's doing like a ton of fucking child porn on his shit. But he's also got guys bringing him like underage girls. I mean, he's doing pictures of him and shit. Yeah.

So he's state and federal. Or if you're bringing a girl over state lines, federal. Or a boy, whatever it is, whatever they're doing. Right, right, right. So you got these guys. And where is he now? I don't. Is he still in prison somewhere?

I don't really keep cabs on him. That probably wasn't 15 years ago, I don't think. No, it wasn't 15 years ago. No. That was like maybe six or seven years. Guys were all saying, everybody was saying, oh, he's probably going to Coleman. He's probably going to call me. He's going to write a story.

He was in Florida? Write the Jared story. They were saying that there was, they said, oh, Subway's coming out with a new sandwich. He's a Florida guy? Oh, no. He's just shipping, they would ship him there. Just because it's a high profile. If you're high profile, a lot of high profile guys end up in Coleman.

Right. Gotcha. So everybody, when that happened, they were saying that Subway was coming out with a new six inch, the predator. Oh, my God. I think I saw that. So, what was I going to say? What are we doing? We were talking about Chomos in feds and state prison.

You were talking about like the CEOs that were really nice in the federal. Yeah, because it's dangerous. Like when I went to, I actually talk about that in here. That was one of the points I was going to get to. Right. When I came to the low, SIS, they talked to every amendment that comes in. It's like the security, secret security wing of, you know, whatever, or agency within. They basically patrol the office.

and inmates and drug. They're like the FBI inside. So you meet with one of them. They sit down with you. They say, okay, here's the way things work. And remember the guy said, he goes, all right, listen, Cox, you probably, you just did three, four years. You know this. He said, in the pen, we're trying to keep the inmates from stabbing us.

Yeah. And he was in the medium. We're trying to keep the inmates from stabbing each other. At the low, we're trying to keep the inmates following the rules. He goes, follow the rules. You'll be fine. And I was like, oh, I'm good. He was all right.

That was it. I always thought he summed it up very nice. Even when he said it, I was almost like, really, that's a, you sum that up really nicely. Because that's true. The COs are concerned about the inmates harming them in the pen, so they're respectful, they're polite. Right, right.

Medium, the guys are really fighting amongst each other. They could be a little bit more of a dick to everybody. Not much. The low, they can just be complete fucking, they just want to boss you around. They just want to push you around. Yeah. I'm I basically I was a good at me

I basically followed the rule for the most part you're always doing some something stupid you know I'm selling certificates I'm doing the real estate class I'm selling sort of you know you don't want you need a you're taking the real estate class because you need to get a certificate to make your counselor happy because you're supposed to have so many certificates

you know but you don't want you don't really want to do anything with real estate nah man I just okay great go get me two coffees two creamers from commissary bring it I'll do all your tests I'll put it in you'll get a fucking perfect grade you'll get your and then Come back in two months, three months. You get busted doing that.

I got questioned a bunch of times. Oh, did you? I was always in debt. Who would say that? I would never, I think this very seriously. I'm offended by, I want to know who said that. That's ridiculous. Okay, Moeller.

Because you've always got a fan. I'm always fear. I've always, I'm always, okay, how can you say that? Stellar reputation. So, uh, the same thing you would do with a bank, right? I'm not fucking leaving I'm going Call the guy in the check

Just give my shit back Oh my god Okay Come on let's go through this fucking thing I worked on this all day I mean this is killer What was your first day in county jail like Okay

I only mention I kind of just go through it real quick I mean I'm not real quick Let's go through it Okay we got a nice little synopsis here We're gonna go through So this is after court You get sentenced

It's what first day You go to county jail first Oh no no no And why not I get sentenced. No, it's not like it was out on. This is when they arrest me. Bring you straight to fucking county jail. You're in jail.

I walk in. Guys are all, I remember guys, everybody was staring. I walked into a room. It was actually about the size of this room, maybe a little bit longer. You're one of those corona. This is like what booking room? No, this is like you're, this is where the beds are. Right.

I've already been booked. I walk in and I remember all the inmates are staring at me. There's like 20 guys in this, in room this size all sleeping in this room. 20, 22 guys. I walk in. They're all staring at me and I'm thinking, holy shit. shit and they're all looking to me and the guy goes, he points up and he goes,

you were, you were just on TV. I go, what? They were watching the news. He was, you was just on TV. He said, you, you, uh, uh, uh, he said something about in chiefs and you steal a bunch of money from insurance company and somebody else goes, banks, my, bro, that shit, banks and shit, you are gangsta, motherfucker, you are gangster. I thought, holy shit, I don't know what he's saying. I mean, these guys are just, I don't hang out with the side. But they liked you.

Yeah, no, they didn't start stabbing me, which is what my concern was when I walked. And I looked at these guys. I mean, it was like, holy shit. This is, this is a bad situation. So I go in, first thing I do is I want to make a call. I go pick up the phone. I can't figure out how to use the phone.

Punching in numbers, can't figure it out. This fucking black guy comes over to me and he goes, yo, he was, Chai Pete. I said, I'm sorry? Chai Pete? I'm sorry? Teah, Pete, man.

Tide caught Pete, man. Peace. I start looking away. looking around like, I don't know what the fuck he's saying. And he's speaking English. Right. So this white guy comes over who's got tattoos, he's got horns and shit on his fucking forehead.

And he comes over and he goes, I got this. He goes, you're trying to call you people. And I go, my people? Your peeps. Keep on. I've never even heard the term people. Keep on, I'm not, I'm not, keep in line.

I say that all the fucking, I don't give a fuck. You're just the epitome of white privilege. You've never been around anybody of any culture. I've never been around, like I've been around, you know, Spanish guys and some black guys, If they're doing the roof or they're doing, you know, but I'm not, or they're educated. I haven't been around guys that are street guys. I've never met a street guy.

So the white guy comes up, he goes, he said, you're trying to call your people? I go, my people, he's your family. Are you trying to call your family? And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he goes, okay, I got this. So he helps me use the phone. I can't even use the phone. You got to push your fucking 50 numbers and you get a big call. You got to put your inmate number in everything.

This was the beginning of a long journey, Matt. I remember talking to the white guy. after it you know you got nothing to do you're what there there's one TV out of 20 guys 15 of them are Spanish so guess which channel you're watching

the Spanish channel Telemundo yeah so you're just sitting there all we're doing is playing you know chess and and talking so the guy's got horns on his head and I went bro you after a couple of days you seem like a normal guy and he goes right I go what's with the fucking horns on your head

he goes well you know I came in young I think I told you this one time He came in. He goes, I went to a prison where guys were being killed every week. He was so, I didn't think I was going to make it. So you just get crazy. He said, then I finished my state sentence, and I came here to the feds because I had a Fed bid to do. He said, now I'm going to be out in a few.

So he, you know, so, you know, he's leaving. So he's going to the feds now. And so now he's got four. He thought he's going to be dead any day now. He's got tattooed fucking spiral horns on his forehead. He's got all this. Now you're getting out. You're not getting a job of the bank.

What were you thinking? He thought he was going to die. So he'll never survive it. Right. Anyway, so you meet all these guys. So I end up, then when I eventually get transferred, I get flown to Oklahoma City. You get driven around in these vans and shit. It's horrible.

Being transported is the worst. You get moved around. I end up going to Oklahoma City. And is it fucking 840? Yeah. That is ridiculous. We didn't start the podcast until 745. Jesus, God Almighty.

We've been talking for an hour. We're waiting on fucko over here. No, it had nothing to do with me. Okay. So I, um, we're not, are we getting through this? I mean, we just started. Because I'll talk like, these, you saw all those, all the guys like, I'll watch a six-hour podcast? Yeah, yeah. Are you insane?

There's like 60 or 80 guys saying, I'll watch six hours. You got to go home? You're captivating, Matt. I don't have to. Danny might have to go home. That's the only thing. But Danny's got a wife. That's, that's, that's.

I don't got shit. I'm off the hook night. I can leave. We, me and you could chat for a while. I got all night, Matt. Okay, so, Okay, so anyway, I get transferred, I fly around, I eventually end up back at Coleman.

You know, I get sentenced, I go to Coleman. When I go to Coleman, they send me to the medium first because I had so much time. I had 26 years, so you've got 20 years left. You're just done. You know, you can't, I couldn't really send me to a pen. I can't go to a low. I go to the, I go to the medium.

I go straight, when I go straight into the housing unit where I'm supposed to go, I meet my cellie, I think I mentioned this. Remember I tell you that? that I meet my cellie, and then I walk back out, and then they start screaming lockdown. Oh, yeah, someone got stabbed up. Somebody got stabbed in the yard. He's like, you got to get in here.

He's got stabbed up a little bit. Yeah, he was like, oh, somebody died. And he's like, no, no, someone just, they got stabbed up a little bit. Yeah, just stab them up a little bit. That's the same thing Tampa Tony told us when he went to prison for the first day, somebody got stabbed out there. Yeah. Yeah, that's, you know, it's a bad situation. So, yeah, it can't be a good situation.

I'm getting stabbed up a little bit. He just got poked a little bit, right? Yeah, just got... He survived, right? I don't know. Who knows? Who knows? I'm sure he's fine.

You know how many guys I've met? Listen, like 90% of the guys of the medium have bullet holes. They've all been shot. Everybody's been stabbed. Everybody. It's just ridiculous. So, I mean, you get the mindset there is so, it's so, there's so much mental health issues. There's like they've got a whole wing just for guys with mental health issues.

Bipolar. They've got guys that there was a guy named Mr. Freeze who had a narcoleps. or you fall asleep right away. What happens? Mr. Freeze? They called him Mr. Freeze because he had narcolepsy. And narcolepsy apparently, like, he would be walking across the compound. And just fall asleep?

Yeah, but he wouldn't fall. If he was sitting down, he'd fall down. He would walk and he'd suddenly just stop. And he'd just sit there for like a minute or two, and then he'd go. Just blank out. And he'd start walking again. And they called him Mr. Freeze. Guys that were in the unit with him, they said he'd be, he would be sitting in a chair watching TV,

and all of a sudden he'd go, and he'd fall out of a chair and hit the ground. Boom! and lay there for a minute or two and guys would just look over and he get up, get back in his chair. You tell him he hitting the ground didn't wake you up?

Holy shit, dude. So you know how he ended up in the feds? How? He got some for theft or something, whatever, something stupid. He ends up getting, going into state prison in Florida.

Well, there's no AC. So he's there and his celly and he's like, he's complaining about how hot it is. And he goes, oh, you want, you want A.C. is you got to go to federal prison. He goes, how do I get to federal prison?

And he goes, oh, man, you could do anything. You could, you just got to commit a federal crime and you'll do all your state time in federal prison. Yeah? He goes, yeah. He said, well, what's a federal crime? He goes, you could threaten the president. So he writes a letter to Bush. So at the time, he writes a letter to Bush, and he says he's going to kill Bush

and his entire family, and he's going to rape the dog. Wow. Just throws a little sprinkle on top. Yeah, go ahead. And so. For good measure. Secret Service come. They question him. He says, yeah, I wrote the thing.

They bring him back to court, gets in front of the court. The lawyer explains the judge, listen, the guy is, he's practically retarded. I mean, you know, serious. I mean, he had, like, issues. And he's like, Your Honor, this is what his Selly had told him. And the judge goes, yeah, but he wrote the letter. These judges, they had no sympathy. They said, yeah, but he wrote the letter.

He's like, he's not even capable of getting himself to Washington, let alone harming the president. It's ridiculous. Yeah, but he wrote the letter. He was in it. And I was told that he said, that the judge said, he goes, the fact that he wanted to rape the dog is disturbing to me. He said, I'm going to give him what he wants, though.

That was the golden ticket of the letter. He is going to federal prison. Right after you finish your state prison stint, you're going to go, you're going to get seven years in the feds. That's why he was in the feds. And will your mic a little bit up more? Just a little bit straight up more. Like that?

Like this. That? Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, um... That's hilarious. So is that how he got the Mr. Freeze?

No, no. Mr. Freeze was because he... Bonusly. Actually, that meant... It works. It works, right? Yeah, he did get the AC. He got the AC, so that's Mr. Freeze.

And then they had another guy named Itchy. Itchy was a black guy who had hair that he never combed. It was like just like just like a rock. And Itchy was a... schizophrenic. Itchy, like, you know, like, an afro, but it's just like rock, like, he never walked like it was hard. You know, if they don't, they get to pick

it out and stuff. Yeah, yeah. It just gets like knotted up, it's like a big dreadlock. He's like a homeless guy. He's like a homeless guy in prison. And you, they have all these, all these walkways. Itchy would walk right across the grass. If I walked across the grass, I'm going to shoe. Itchy would walk right across the grass

and the cops would be like, itchy, itchy, and he and he, and his He had a catchphrase, which was, I still want my dick sucked. So the cops would yell at him, and they'd be like, Itchy come here, and he'd walk over, what, what? They'd go, told you not to walk across. Now, you go down the sidewalk, and he'd go, all right, all right.

And he'd go, fine, he'd start walking off. He'd go, I still want my dick suck. And they'd be like, itchy! I mean, it happened. He was, he was crazy. He'd walk up and start yelling at guys to give him coffee. They knew he was crazy. How old was this guy?

Oh, he had to be in his 40s or 50s. Jesus. So I was on, at the time, I was taking a Paxil. And I was still, I was taking Paxil and I was, I was in, uh, it's a for, uh, it's a, for depression and social anxiety. So I have social anxiety. I don't like large crowds. And I'm in prison. Um, right. So I'm really having a bad situation. Imagine that. And I'm, and I'm, and I'm, I'm in, what they call pill line. So I'm standing in pill line one day and itchy just walks right across the grass. Everybody's screaming out of me. Walks right in the front of the thing. Everybody backs up. Like, they're all like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. he walks straight to the front line, gets his pills, gets his pills, takes his pills, and walks right back to the unit. Never really left the unit much, except

to go get pills. Well, there's this guy going, man, that guy's fucking crazy. And there was a new guy who just come to prison, and he got like five or six years. I don't even know why he was in the medium. He probably shouldn't have even been there. And I looked at him and I went, bro, I said, he goes, man, that guy, he's messed up. He's like a homeless guy. He's all fucked up. And then I go, bro, that guy

right there? Keep in mind, most of your time is spent trying to entertain yourself. So you do stuff you would... Stay busy. Stay busy to keep yourself entertained, find things that are funny or interesting, read books, whatever.

So I'm sitting there and I go, that guy? I go, bro, that guy used to own banks in the Cayman Islands. And he goes, are you serious? I went, yeah, bro. I said he was on like the cover of like Forbes magazine and he had a fucking...

Itchy? Jets. And yeah, I said, he used to, you know, like 10 banks. He was laundering money. I go, that dude's a fucking genius. That's fucking itchy. And he goes,

He goes, well, he's crazy. I said, well, bro, some people, this guy was complaining about how much time he got, like, four years or five years. And I go, well, some people can't handle the time. They just snap. And he was like, so I'm just fucking with him, right? Because he's already been, he's like, I don't think I can do all this time. I got like four years. It's like four years.

Shut up, man. Right. Talk to me. So you turned yourself in. You know what I mean, guys, I know that turned themselves in. They got like 10, 15 years and turned themselves in. You got 15 years and you turned yourself. run

give it a shot you already got your time I can't even talk to that guy so this guy's complete so anyway I tell him a couple days later I'm in the chow hall and I'm sitting at a table with a couple guys and itchy walks in walks up grabs his fucking meal and walks off and sits down at a table I mean like itch was so nasty

and disgusting no one sat by him he'd sit at table everybody would get up a move yeah because he's like you didn't wait in line so that he gets his food sits down and the And another guy I don't know is telling another guy saying, bro, that guy, that guy owned like 50 fucking banks. He's worth a billion dollars.

The story was like he was on the cover of Fortune, Forbes, the private jets. And I'm like, holy shit. So someone took your story and just fucking out of you. Just run with it. It's crazy. That's amazing. Yeah, that is, it's hilarious.

So, what was it she actually in for? Did you already say that? I have no idea. He's probably crackhead and was in some conspiracy. shock. Every once in a while there's some crackhead that's like, how did you even commit a federal crime? It's like, well, he happened to be one of 30 guys

on a conspiracy. He's the lowest man that's the guy that is running back and forth and the DEA comes in and guess what, you just got a federal crime. Should be a state crime, but the DEA was investigating the top dogs and your name's one of the many. They know you'll cooperate. What I want to ask you about? Depression. Oh yeah, you said you were taking depression meds in there.

Are there a lot of people that commit suicide in prison? Is that a regular thing? Is that like a concern? Like the guy was like, don't drink, don't drink the fucking liquid. Probably in the pen, there's a lot more like mutilation guys will cut their themselves, their fucking dicks off. What? Yeah, that's something. Did Jeffrey Epstein commit suicide?

Did you know I'm getting people there saying that in the comments? Really? You need to investigate Epstein's feet. You should. Was he murdered? Anyway, so. We don't even want to talk. on that one.

So there's a... That prison's gnarly looking. It's a fucking tower. That prison that he was in? The Metropolitan Prison in New York? Yeah, most prisons are... Not Coleman. Coleman's like this long flat.

Colman's nice. Plenty of space. It's a decent prison. Yeah. Anybody that goes to Coleman and complains, they're just... How many prisons are like that prison that Epstein was in?

Where it's just like a fucking tower. Oh, oh, I don't know. I don't know. He was rich. He was in rich people prison, right? No, that was not a rich people prison. No. No.

No, not this time. His first bid, he barely did any time at all. Like, he had to stay at the prison like five days a week or something, just sleep there. Really? Yeah, his first time he got in trouble. When he'd come in during, like, the week and leave on the weekends or vice versa. On the weekend, he had to stay there. Yeah.

But during the week, he was allowed to leave at like seven or eight in the morning and come back at seven or eight at night. He got to work. He only really slept there during the week. I didn't know that was a thing. No, it's not a thing. He had such an overwhelming amount of money and legal talent that they made this sweetheart. hard deal. And of course he gets out and starts doing it again. He's he's got a sickness.

Yeah. Instead of saying, hey, I got a pass. I need to go fly straight. Ah, he, it just emboldened him. So, okay, so, um, the, uh, the prison, oh, as far as you mean the, the, um, the pill line thing? Like the, the, the pills? Yeah, no, I don't know. I was asking about, I was asking about suicide and that led just right into the epine. Yeah, it's fucking, bro. There's lots of people on pills. Do you think Epstein really killed himself?

I have no idea. What are you doing? What would you guess? I don't know. I want to talk about it. It's a hot topic out there. It's a hot topic. It's relevant, Matt. This is a good clip. This is a YouTube clip. This is a viral clip.

I barely read anything about Epstein. You didn't? Yeah, no, of course. I saw the news. There was a couple articles. They're questioning it. Nobody knows. The guard was there.

He had threatened suicide. What do you think? Do you think Hillary could have paid off the guards to fucking kill him? You really did? Really? Yes, of course. You think the camera's just randomly malfunctioned in there? and half them cameras don't fucking work, bro.

You understand? You know that the towers? High profile. You know the towers? You don't think they make sure them cameras are working, man, when Jeffrey Epstein was in there. No, I think the place is run by idiots. Nobody gets to the top of their field. The cameras always stopped up.

And ends up working at the BOP. Nobody. Right. The cameras are never working. You know how understaffed they are? Do you know that the pins, all the pins have towers, right? Nobody's in them. So you don't think.

Really? Yeah. You don't think he was murdered. Ten years. Holy shit No I don't think he was murdered Hey Maybe it was

I don't know Yeah but they said his neck was like Severe I don't know I didn't I didn't pay an attention But they said his neck was literally fucking We'll never know Snap.

We're not gonna solve it Matt you might be able to solve it Matt if there's anyone who can solve this It's fucking you man Did you read it Did you see what happened to his neck Did you look into what happened to his neck? No I didn't but I'm sure I could order his

his autopsy report Yeah How many guys allotiped Can we just do a whole podcast? on Epstein. You would have to order a Freedom of Information Act. How much would that cost? We don't need those people showing up here.

It's free. It's basically free. Okay. The only time I've ever been denied the Freedom of Information Act is Frank Amadeo. CIA, like everybody was like, you know, no national security. And you don't think they'll do that for Epstein and they got to? No, because why? It's a, it was a hot.

They say he had dirt on everybody. Yeah, but if they're saying it was a suicide. then the autopsy report and the suicide report and the um uh the uh the blood whatever where they test is blood all that's public records you can get all that okay but of course they're gonna say that right what well i mean if if they've done it right it's all doctored anyway you're never gonna know even if the real killer came out and admitted it right now there's so much stuff that points away from it

they'd never believe them it'd just be another conspiracy you'd never go away in there has an arts degree that fits Some guy with a fine arts degree dummied up everything. Right, the whole paperwork. Holy shit. Oh my God. That's going to be a good clip.

Oh, my God. It's ridiculous. You know what I was thinking about when you talked about the depression medication? Yeah. Is that they changed providers at one point for the depression medication. Could you imagine being the fucking pill company

that sells to the prison? To the prison beer? Wow. Wow. They're printing. minting money. They probably write out of Florida. You know,

and there's a, there's certain rules that, like, they have to pay top dollar, like the, the prisons do. Yeah. Yeah. I don't get great.

Anyway, they go through like, I, what is it, PIOs or IPO, what are those? An IPO? No,

for the fucking, the HMOs or something, not HMOs, what am I, basically. Like insurance? Yeah, for your medical.

Yeah. Right. So it's not like they're just giving them. So not all inmates can get them. They have to have a certain, they have to pay for insurance. No, basically. You've got to qualify for them, right?

No, you're getting whatever you're supposed to get. They just have some kind of different insurance carriers in the prison system where they're providing insurance. It's where all your tax dollars are going, Dane. So they switched providers. This is what I was told. Who fucking knows with these guys? So not all inmates can get medication at the prison.

Yeah, of course they can get. Of course, all of them. Okay, so the prisons have to buy the insurance. The prisons have insurance. They cover the whole prison. You don't make any money. Got it. Okay, I got it.

You don't make any money. Yeah, but your fucking relatives can pay for it, right? No. Your mom can't give you commentary that pays for your pills and shit. No, they wouldn't allow that because that would mean that the rich people are getting better care than the poor people. Right, okay. You got to go see them. That's the whole not.

That's the whole not. That's why I ask these questions. It's the great equalizer. It's the great equalizer. Okay. You could be fucking a multi, multi-millionaire. You're sleeping on the top bunk. Got it.

I don't give a shit. I've been here two years. Fuck you. You know, I mean, you're, you know, I'm a grade one and I'm making, 60 bucks a month and you come in and you're doing the same job but you just got here you're making $15 a month you know what I'm saying it's trust me it's there's just very little you can maybe put money on other people's books which you're not allowed to do and you can get somebody to maybe clean your room do your laundry make your life a little bit easier but it ain't going to be much

easier the best it could be is still shit yeah right you know so uh so they changed providers Yeah, they changed providers. And so they switched me from Paxil to like Well, Beltran. Well, Boutrean, I didn't like it. It made me feel weird. And then I switched to...

Did batterol in there? Then they switched me to something else. They switched me to another thing. Then they switched me to like Zoloft or something. I tried to take that and I felt like I couldn't, I couldn't follow conversation. So this went on for like three months. Finally, I just said, you know what?

Fuck it. I'm not going to take it anymore. I'm just going to see what happens. Yeah. And then I've been dealing with it ever since then. I was telling my telling Stacy. Are you still taking those meds? I don't take anything.

That's good. You shouldn't. That's just bullshit. That's just so fucking so bad for you. Yeah, but here's the difference. Where before, when I was taking Paxil, everything was okay. I'm okay. Yeah.

It was good. My house burned down. Oh, man, that's horrible. I hope nobody was hurt. Yeah. I mean, just didn't affect me. Everybody used to say, nothing bothers you. You don't, and I didn't obsess about anything.

Just like a zombie or something. Right, because I was, well, I wasn't a zombie, but it levels you off. I felt okay. And now, this is what I'm saying. Now the difference is I wake up at 5 in the morning. My alarm goes off. But I don't get out of bed until about 515, 520, because I spend about 15 or 20 minutes telling myself,

it's going to be okay. Keep me mind now, I'm in prison. When I was in prison, it was 10 times worse. I would lay in bed and I'd go, oh, my God, I'm still in prison. I'd be like, it's going to be okay. It's going to be okay. And, you know, I would lay in bed. My first thought was, honestly,

how much dental floss do I have to buy to weave a rope to kill myself in the bathroom at 2 o'clock in the morning, because that's when you can do it. There's a pole over the handicapped stall that's high enough that you can actually, you could actually hang yourself, and you'd be done. It's the only real spot to do it. I mean, it was that bad in the mornings.

So I was, like, how much dental floss do I have to buy? And I would sit there, I go, what do you, it's not rational, what are you thinking? And I was like, I can't do this, I can't do that. And you just go over in your head, and go over and go over it. And then I'd say, just get some coffee. It's okay, it's going to be a,

Okay, it's going to get some coffee. Just get some coffee. So I'd get myself out of bed and I'd just go, just get some coffee. You can always do this. Just get your coffee. Get some coffee. Then you get a little, feel a little bit better. And it still is like, I can't do this.

I can't do this. And I think, no, I got to meet so-and-so today. I'd get dressed. And then I'd go to the library. I'd work with somebody or I'd write something. And then by the time recall came around where they call you back to the unit. At 10 o'clock, I'd be like, it's okay, it's okay. You can get through the day.

You can get through the day. This is the conversation is going in my fucking, while I'm talking to you, this is what's going on in the back of my head. You can do this. You can do this. You can do this. It's going to be okay. It's going to stop thinking like that. Stop thinking it's not rational. And so by the time lunch comes, I'm eating lunch, it's okay. This is good. They got apple pie. I like apple pie. You're fine. Tonight, they're going to have fried chicken. They make good fried chicken here. It's good. It's okay. By two or three o'clock, you're like, I feel okay. I'm okay. I can do this. I can, I can, I'm okay. By five o'clock or six o'clock when I'm eating, I'm like, it's good. You're locked up with some good guys. You like Greg. Greg's a cool guy. Jimmy's all right. He always makes me laugh. You know, by 8 o'clock, they got the movie on the night.

It's good. I love that movie. It's James Bond. It's great. By 9 o'clock, you're thinking things are going good. I got this in the courts. This is happening. So-and-so's doing this. I might be able to make it out. By 10 o'clock, I'm kicking ass. I'm getting out of this fucking place. I'm going to fucking hit the streets. I'm going to write these fucking stories. everything's going to be fucking amazing. I'm going to sell fucking options.

I'm going to fucking kick ass. I'm going to be driving a fucking Ferrari. I'm going to be driving a 22-year-old. You're like fucking Wolf of Wall Street. I'm going to be fucking amazing when I get out. They're going to buy or they're going to fucking die. And by the next morning, how much fucking dental floss do I have to buy? Every day.

This went on the whole fucking time. And I was telling Stacey a day about it. It's exhausting. She goes, well, but you don't think that anymore. And I went, oh, I still lay in bed until 5, 515, 520, telling myself. it's okay. I'm not thinking about getting dental floss. I'm thinking,

does Stacey have a gun in the house? They wouldn't let her. I know she doesn't have a... Just for a brief second. But this is... You know what? I got to see a psychiatrist, right? I got, bro, they got...

A lot of people see psychiatrists. I mean, that's a normal thing, I got a court-ordered fucking psychiatrist. But I'm saying a lot of people, a lot of really successful people use psychiatrists now as like a weekly ritual. That's because it's good for your mental health. Like, it's okay now to talk about it.

Like, people do that. popular now. It's a lot more popular now. I mean, yeah, well, mine's court ordered. So, yeah, so But it's good, like, you know, it's good for you. You should do it even if it wasn't court-ordered. I guess. Do you do it now? No, I have to do it. It's quarter-ordered.

See a psychiatrist? Fuck yeah, bro. Listen, if I could get to that story on here, you can't believe how to that. It's cool to see a shrink. It was not cool. I got to drive to fucking Brandon. She's not going to help. She thinks they're going to help me. I'm 50 years old. I'm fucked up. I mean, it's over. And I'm not, and I'm not

trying. So, you know, it's, it's all, I'm all fucking jammed up. But, like, I shot myself in the foot with this fucking psychiatrist, bro. Like, I'm done. Like, I'm for the, I bet you the next five years I'm going to this psychiatrist. They're not letting me out my fucking, because you're supposed to tell them what they want to hear. It doesn't feel good to go out to go there. What do you talk about?

I already know you told that story. Yeah, I read it on here. And I remember, I remember I'm like, you should have never told that, man. You can't tell me. I totally is just like, what the, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. How am I supposed to know what? You know, keep mind.

You're going through the process. Well, yeah, now I know. So, anyway, so that was the, yeah, that was the, you know, here's the thing. I wrote this whole fucking thing. We were just shooting the shit. This is ridiculous. This is, this is, this is all bad. No.

Because it's ADD. We don't have to follow any kind of story. Oh, my God. It's ridiculous. No, but what I was saying, what I was going to say is, I thought it, people with your type of, with your personality type, the narcissist, sociopathic personality type. They don't want, they're not going to kill themselves. They're self-preserving personality.

That's why it's very brief. It doesn't last the whole day. I mean, it's like, you know, it gets very, it gets better right away. You know, within 10 minutes, five, 10 minutes. And it was horrible in prison initially. It wasn't until I started writing and feeling good about myself again, that it was really, really wasn't, it was still bad. But it wasn't that bad. Right.

Can you mind? The writing really helped it. Oh, fuck. The writing, it gave me purpose. Right. It gave you, yeah. It didn't matter. I was achieving something.

It's all it mattered was I, you know, that's the worst thing about prison for me is that. The worst thing for prison for me was that I wasn't achieving anything. Mm-hmm. You know, I don't really have a family that I'm kept away from. Like if, if you're married with three kids and you get a year, You're going to do harder time than I'll do in 10 years if I have nobody on the street. I knew a guy one time he got arrested. He'd already done like state time one time if he did like three, four years.

He's dating this girl. He gets jammed up. He ends up he's going to have to do five years. You're going to do the drug program. He said, I'll be out in about three years, maybe two and a half to three years. First thing he did was as soon as he had to turn himself in, his girlfriend drives him to drop him off. He tells her, we're done. She's like, what?

Because I know you think you're going to write me letters and this and this, but it's over. I'm not calling you. I'm not writing you. We're over. It's over. I'm sorry. I love you. Find somebody else.

He didn't want to have to deal with that when he was in there. Because he'd been through it before and he said it made my time so hard. Because you end up being the guy that's calling on Friday night and she's not answering. And so the next day you're calling you're like, where were you? What the fuck are you? It's torture, right? It's fucking torture. Right.

Better off, just don't call. No, she's with someone else. He's like, look, when I get out, if you're available, that's great. Listen, the real reason I knew that was, He was getting two, three letters a day. He's getting mail. They're calling his name three times. She's sending pictures of them.

She's writing letters. This went on for like two, three weeks while I was locked up with the guy. Then I got transferred to a prison. This was when I was bump. I was jumping your bump from one prison to another to another or to jails while they're trying to move you to where you want. No, what I wanted to say about the depression stuff, I think it's interesting how you found your way through the depression through finding a purpose in life.

You found your purpose and your calling and like you wanted to try. write stories. You had a like fucking goal. You had a, you were passionate about it. Right. That got you through the fucking shit. You didn't need the depression pills anymore. I think a lot of people leaving YouTube comments have that same fucking problem. I mean, I, maybe. Maybe. A lot of people in the country, a lot of people in the country, they don't have, they don't have that. They don't have something. They don't have a purpose.

They have their job. Right. And they're fucking. They get to watch it. And they get to make mean comments on fucking. Right. And they're unhappy. and they're fucking unhapparles. Yeah. Well, you got to, you know, I mean, to me, you gotta have, I gotta have purpose. I gotta be doing something. I gotta be creating something.

Everybody, I mean, most people do. Yeah, I would think, I would, I would think, but you'd be shocked how many people are just happy going to their job. And their purpose is just getting through life. Yeah, well, a lot of people. A lot of people, like, a lot of people, like, a lot of people do. Like, like my wife, she just, like, she just wants to fucking raise a kid and raise her family. And she wants to, that's her purpose. That makes her happy.

A lot of people. Right, that'd be nice. you could wake up every day not go to work and fucking chill out at the house. It ain't easy, right? Yeah, that ain't fucking easy. That's a hard fucking work. Yeah.

It's nice to. I feel like my job's a cakewalk compared to doing that. Like, holy shit. But here's the problem is because you're not designed like that. Your job's a cakewalk compared to 99 other people. You know what I mean? It's like you're not set up like like like, like I mean I know like like, like Stacy. She loves to make food.

She loves to make her. Is everything okay? Do you need this? You know, have you guys eaten? She loves to be like a mom. She's a mom to everybody. Same thing with my wife. To me, it's like, you know, if somebody's like, hey, I'm hungry,

oh, go get yourself something to fucking eat. What are you telling me for? You know, I'm not fiend you. I'm not making your food. I'm not, you nuts. She would, anybody walk in and be like, I'm kind of hungry. Oh my gosh, I just made this. I just, do you need this?

Yeah, there's a Wawa down the street. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. So that's just some people are like. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. For women, it's like their design. Like, they like their motherly. Some of them are.

Not all. What's the worst thing you saw in prison? We talked about that, didn't we? You know what I was going to say? I was going to tell you, which is, it was this one, which is actually probably detrimental to me. What was that detrimental to you? Page one?

Yeah, but comical. It's comical only because I really hope this sudden come back on me. Is that when I first got locked up, like, everybody, you know, I've been. But people in the comments have mentioned this. They're like, you know, does he have to pay back those money he owes? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I'm like...

When you convinced him about the restitution, right? Yeah, well, I'm... Yeah, exactly. So I got locked up. While you're locked up, you said you owe $5 million. Well, I don't even know what restitution means. Restitution is like how much money are your victims out of. So you stole money or...

You stole $10 million. Yeah, you owe $10 million. Right. And here's the worst part is that, let's say you have 10 different co-defendants and everybody got $600,000. So you think, okay, everybody owes $600,000. They don't do it like that. No, they say, you owe $6 million.

Every one of you owes $6 million. You're all paying until it's paid off. You're like, wait, what if fucking Danny never pays a fucking dime? Well, then you're going to pay the $6 million. And you think that's unfair, and they go, well, fucking tough shit. You don't have the same rights as a normal citizen anymore. We can be unfair to you. You owe $6 million, and everybody's going to pay in until it's all paid off.

We're not going to divvy it up. But I got $5 million and he got $2 million. You know, it doesn't matter. You're all paying. So what ends up happening is I ended up having all these code defendants that didn't get charged. There's like 15, 16 codependents on my indictment that didn't get, that didn't get indicted. They got indicted, but they never got charged. They never went through.

I end up with the $6 million. So I owe $6 million. Well, so-and-so got $500,000, so-and-so got $300, so-and-so got $1 million. Yeah. How are you hitting me with the whole $6? Well, you're fucked. You just fucked. And at the time when you take your plea, you're so desperate to try and get a good deal. I'm not going to complain about money at this point.

But as soon as you go to trial, as soon as you go into prison, first thing they do when you meet your counselor is they say, okay, well, you have to pay every month or every quarter you have to pay, here's how much money you get in. And here's our calculation. So you're going to be paying $25 every month. Right. Or $50 a quarter.

Towards your restitution. You're like, $50 towards my $6 million? And how am I going to pay this? Well, I don't know. You're going to have to get a job. And you go, well, I have a job. I make $12 a month. So I make $12 a month.

In prison. In prison. And you want to hit me every quarter for $50 a quarter. That's everything I made. Yeah. And they're like, yeah, I know. I mean, I could maybe lower it to 25. What the fuck are you talking about?

I'm supposed to work 40 hours a week. And at the end of the month, I'm supposed to get $6? Yeah. You're like, it's ridiculous. Wow. What if I need to buy toothpaste? What if I need to buy, you know, deodorant? What if you need to buy, fucking dangerous shampoo or a nail clippers, not to mention, shower slides, or, you know, any type of hygiene.

You know, so you're just, you just, you're just, you're just, you're just, basic hygiene. You can't even afford that. You're just flop. They'll, oh, well, you can use the state stuff. They don't give you sour slides. Yeah. Guys are getting, you're doing their best. What's amazing is the amount of charity that the other inmates give one another.

Hey, bro, I saw you don't have sour slides. I got an extra pair. You can use them until you get some from commissary. You're like, man, thank you. You get them. You go get them, you bring them back. No problem. You know, they'll say, hey, I got some soups.

I got this. So you get there and guys are like, here's some soup, here's this, here's that. They'll lay up. The Mexicans are the best. Really? One Mexican comes in. All of them come in. They'll walk and they'll have a bag of shit for the other Mexicans.

They like take care of each other. That's cool. So, yeah. So what ends up happening is the first time I go to my counselor, I go into my counselor's office. And I walk in. I mean, keep in mind, I'm just, I'm fucking beat. I mean, I got 20 fucking six years, bro.

I'm just depressed as fuck all. Your world's crushed. Furious, angry, bitter. get in there and Miss Smalls. Was it Miss Smalls? No, no. Miss Bates was my very first counselor. And she says, okay, she goes through everything.

Yeah, you got to get a job. You got to start doing this, start doing that. Blah, blah, blah. Okay, okay. I'm like, all right, all right. She's like, and you got to pay restitution. And I went, well, no, I don't have to pay restitution. She's, yeah, I'll put you on.

She goes, you don't have very much money in right now. So I'm going to hit you for $25 a quarter initially. She says, then we'll bump it up once you. You'll have a job. You'll probably be bumped up. And I went, no, no. I said, I'm not paying restitution. She said, no, you have to pay restitution.

She says, if you don't pay restitution, you can't go to commissary, you can't use the phone. They start doing all this shit where you're basically trapped in there. You have to do anything. And I'm like, I just got 20 fucking six years and these motherfuckers are going to cut off, cut you off completely from everything. And you're like, and I went, no, no, I'm not saying I won't pay. I'm saying, I don't have to pay. She says, what do you mean? I said, well, I said, my lawyer made the argument that one, I didn't have to pay.

the interest on the $6 million, nor did I have to start making payments until I was released from prison. And she goes, I've never seen that before. I said, well, it was a new judge, and she said she was going to try it out. And that was one of the only arguments she won. So I know it's, I remember specifically,

because she was happy about it. And I remember thinking, big deal. I said, but, you know, I'm glad she won it. And she goes, she looks down and she goes, okay, well, I don't have your file in yet. So I'm going to check, and I'll check your judgment commitment. to see if you have to pay it or not. I said, I know I don't have to pay it.

I said, I can get my transcripts and I'll show you I don't have to pay it. She's okay, well, I'll wait until I get the judgment commitment. I'll check it out. I said, okay. So, she says, I'll call you in next week, or I'll take a look at it and we'll talk next week. Okay, so she dies.

Oh, my God. A few weeks later. What are the odds? She died. So I go in, so three, four, five months later, she dies up, and she wasn't that old. She was like 50-something. but she's out there smoking all the time.

She just literally goes in, does something, comes out, smokes two cigarettes, goes in, I mean, it was ridiculous. She's sweet nicotine. And to be honest, I think it may have been several months later. So it was several months. She never called me in. And several months, I think it was several months later she died. So then a few months later, because it was a couple months later, my next team, they call it team. You have to go every six months to team.

So you go in, and I go in, and they're like, hey, my name's Mr. Garcia. I'm your new case manager. or no, your new counselor, and you go in, there's multiple people there. There's a case manager, there's a unit manager, there's a counselor. And I go, okay, and they go, okay, Cox, we notice that you're not paying your restitution.

I went, right, right. I said, yeah, I don't have to. And they go, what do you mean you don't have to? I said, no, no, I explained the whole thing how my lawyer had won. That's complete bullshit, by the way. You made it up. I made it up.

Complete fucking lie. But, I mean, I don't want to pay, I have no money, and I don't want them to fucking jam me up. You're selling it. Yeah. So I said, no, no, no, this and this. And they go, okay, I said, Miss Base checked it out. And they go, okay, keep my file's right here.

But this is a great thing about the laziness. The same way I got the fake, the kid's social security numbers issued and all that shit. The laziness of government workers. The laziness. It's your file is right here. Open the file. I'm like, bro, you can check right now. I said, look at my judgment commitment.

I don't have to. I dare you to check it. Yeah, he says, no, no, I'm going to check it out. I'll let you know. I said, okay. So we get up and leave. So there's three people, three of them there. None of them can check the file.

I get up and leave. Six months later, I come back. Hey, Cox, I know, you've been here a year. You're not paying your judgment. I said, it's new people. And I go, don't you remember last time? I said, I told you about that I don't have to pay, my judge, the judgment commitment. I said, you checked it out.

I said, don't you remember? And one of the fucking guys there goes, oh, that's right. I remember him talking about that. They're like, yeah, yeah. I said, remember Ms. Ms. Bates checked it out? I don't have to pay. I said, you were here.

I said, remember we looked at the judgment. And he goes, yeah, yeah, I do remember. I do remember that. That's right, that's right. Yeah, he doesn't have to pay. He doesn't have to pay. Oh, okay, okay. That counselor gets moved.

A new counselor comes in. Next team. Same thing. Boom, I hit them again. Okay, well, I'll check it out. I'll call you next week. I'm okay, no problem, no problem. Next, this goes on for three years.

They then move me to the low. I get there, I got a guy named my counselor Smith. Fat guy. What a prick. This guy. I mean, I already told you how the guards get. meaner and meaner as you go down. I go and I sit down

and he goes, okay, so you got what? You got a, holy shit. He goes, you got 26 years. He goes, your nuts are going to be hanging down by your knees by the time you get out of you. You ain't going to see pussy for fucking another. It's like 20 years. He said to you.

I'm going, the fuck is this mother fat piece of shit. I'm looking at him going. How long are you in for at this point? I've already done four years. Right, okay. I still got 20 years to go. I got moved to the low because I was now below 20.

So I'm like 19 years and 10 months. Yeah. And I'm like, holy shit. I mean, just brutal. And he said, he's like, yeah, he, what's up with this restitution? And I went, he goes, you're not paying me restitution? He goes, why aren't you on, they call it FRP refusal, where they shut down all your accounts.

You can't buy phone minutes. You can't do all kinds of shit. Can't do anything. Right. So, and he's like, why aren't you on refusal? I said, I don't have to pay. And he goes, no, well, you have to. I said, no, no, I said, I explained how we won the argument. I don't have to pay because I've never seen that.

I went, I said, well, what do you think happened? I said, do you think that for the past four years? Right. I said, I've been scamming these people and not have to pay. I said, I've had four counselors look at it, case managers, I said, and a unit managers. I said, are all looking at it. I said, I don't have to pay. I go, check it out.

And he goes, I will, I'll let you know. So then a few days later, I have to go to see my unit manager. No, my case manager, I go into my case manager, she's mean as a snake. My name was Jenkins. So Ms. Jenkins, remember, she said, she says, you know, after reading your, she says, after reading your, and keep in mind, I'm still irritated. I've been irritated for about five years now and depressed, four years now. She remember she looked at my, what's called my PSI, and she looks at it, she goes, and after looking at your PSI and all this crime, they even had another packet to my PSI, it's like 50 pages.

It's like, this is your PSI, and we got a fucking supplement. It's so big. There's so much fraud. She goes, she says, makes me want to hide my wallet. And I go, why? And she goes, I go, why? She goes, for my credit, she has to hide my credit cards. My soche.

I go, I've never stole anybody's credit cards. And I go, I'll take your house like that. And she goes, well, I think they should have strung you up by the flagpole. I go, well, thank God you're not in charge of that. What are we doing? And she's like, well, I don't know who you were talking. So we're bickering. She goes, why aren't you paying your restitution?

Just then my counselor walks in. and I go, ask him. I said, he checked the file. I said, I don't have, I said, and she goes, why didn't he pay in his restitution? I go, I said, you saw my judgment commitment? He goes, yeah, yeah, I looked at judgment commitment. He goes, he doesn't have to pay. He said, it's weird.

I've never seen it before, but he fucking total lied. He never looked at shit, because I know for a fact it doesn't say that. Right, because you lied about that. I've been lying the old. You just put him on the spot. And yeah, what's he going to say? It's been a week and I haven't looked. I'm a lazy shit.

No, you can't say that. Oh, my God, dude. He saw it. He thought, I said, I mean, what do you guys think? You know, and she goes, she just exploited their laziness. And he says, he goes, yeah, yeah, he doesn't have to pay. He doesn't have to pay. He said, he doesn't have to pay. He said, he hasn't paid in four years like that.

He said, yeah, he said, and I go, I said, can you mark my file or something? Because I have this conversation every six months. She goes, I'll make a note. This guy retires two years later. Next counselor comes in. I know he's going to catch. His name's counselor Carrie. He is a stickler.

He's a total bureaucrat. He's pulling guys in left and right, redoing their FRP. Guys are walking out, out of his office, screaming, screaming about how he's raising their FRP, and I'm just waiting. This guy's going to cut your head off. Never said. No, she's got it in the system. She's got so fucking lucky.

Next person. Next person. I got so fucking lucky. I didn't get caught until I was in Ardap. Literally, we're talking about a year before. What the fuck is Ardap? The drug program. They catch it at Grand Prairie, which is like, Okay, sorry.

They catch it like... How many years later? Like, fucking... There was like... I mean, I never paid. I made two payments the whole time I was there. Why? Why did you even make two?

I only made two because they caught it. I was in R-Dap and I was going to get kicked out of R-Dap. So I said, look, so when the guy brings me in, he's like, look, man, we can't take... We can't take the year off you or we can't keep you in the program. Unless you start paying. He goes, now, Cox, he goes, you get in about $300. dollars. Keep in mind too. Keep in mind. Understand.

I've sold an option at this point. Remember the option money? I was a part of that option. For war dogs? No, no, not for war dogs. For Generation OxyGot, so I got a piece of the option. So I'm getting money sent in three, four hundred bucks a month and I'm on the, I'm typing. I'm writing these books and everything. So I'm getting money sent in. So I've got two, three hundred bucks a month coming in. Nice. So he's like,

So you're getting a bunch of money coming in. You can pay $100 a month. A hundred bucks a month. And I'm like, so he's like, look, so we start arguing. He wants like $150. I get him down to like $100. And I say, listen, let's do this. I can do it, but give me some time.

You know what? This is the guy. And I told him this. This is so fucked up. This lets you know their mentality. You just turn the light on? That fucking ball is fucked up. Oh, you should see me.

Did I tell you that I got a short in my radio? I can hit my dash in my. and my radio comes on. I feel like Bonzie. Oh, wow. Crazy. So he says, so he's sitting there and I go, I go, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I said, my mother sends me money out of her social security stifen every month. She gets $1,100, complete life. I go, $1,100. I go, and she sends me $300. I go, so the question I'm asking you is, I go, you're telling me you want my mother to pay $150,000. towards my restitution every month. And he goes, that's exactly what I'm telling you.

Tell your mother to pay $150 a month. And I went, well, okay, I'll... This guy is heartless. He's not cutting no break. So I said, bro, you've got to at least hold it off for three months. I said, give me some time. I mean, and he's like, okay, we'll do it in like October or something. So then I knew by October I would be able to get out of the program.

and so like the day before I transferred all my money out and put it on like different like I bought true links I bought foam mint I bought everything I could so when the 150 came bam it completely bounced there's no money in the account there's nothing in I fucking furious

brother they're furious at me call me in what are you doing and I was like I mean there's nothing you can do I said you can't go to commissary but I've known this is coming I loaded up on commissary you already ordered everything are you in a two man cell because they'll pull you out of a two-man cell and stick you in the fishbowl.

Like, I'm already in the fishbowl. And they were like... What the fuck's the fishbowl? Oh, it's a fucking room about half this size with like 12 guys in it. Damn. Just bunk beds. Were you really in that or no?

No, I was because I'd gone out of Ardap, so you go in there first. So it's like I'm already in the fishbowl. I already have commissary. You can shut my commissary off. There's nothing you can do. Where do you keep your shit? Oh, you got a locker that's like 18 inches deep by maybe two feet wide by three feet. by three feet tall.

Okay. Your whole life is in there. And then you have like a legal locker. So I would have a legal locker. Oh, separate locker for like, for like transcript court shit? Right. It's half the size of your,

of your regular locker. So, unless you're like Rossini. Oh, yeah, then you got a whole room. So, or Devoroli. Boxes of bucket shit there.

Here he's about it. Or Devoroli. Debroli rented people. He had people go out and get legal lockers and rented them from it. So go there, tell them you want a legal locker. Like he had like four or five legal lockers.

He's just paying you to rent the locker to keep his stuff in. And he had boxes under his bed. Fucking Devaroli. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. So here's what I wanted to tell you. This is, this is, I was at the medium. This is everybody's all, this is like Triana will say,

it was the fucking worst thing you've seen. What was the worst? I said, the worst thing I saw. I said, well, I was at the medium. And he goes, yeah, what was it? I said, there were a lot of people at the medium that had life sentences. So you got some black guy who's six foot two who's got a life sentence, worked his way down

from the pen. He works out all the time. He looks like he's on steroids. He's just a genetic freak. Yeah. And half the guys there look like that. They're just massive. Yeah.

They're hard as a rock. And they look like tree stomp. They're just like, so I'm in the library, which in the mediums empty all the time. None of these guys go in the library. So I'd go in there and I'd ride or whatever. So I'm in there one day. And this, I'm going to say punk because that's what they call them there, you know, a gay guy or a transgender or whatever.

You call them punks? Punks. Hmm. So there's a punk in there. Probably 510, you know, thin, braided long hair. Listen, looks from the outside clothes. A woman. Flipping through a glamour magazine or something, like a Cosmo or something.

legs cross flipping I mean just ridiculous so you're I'm sitting there and you know he's over there and this guy walks in the library and I'm just sitting there

doing whatever I'm doing there's like five or six guys in the library it holds like 30 people there's like five or six of us and I'm sitting there and this guy walks in that you know has never been in library

he walks in and you're like holy shit look at that guy he's massive he didn't leave the rec yard so you know you walk and he walks in he walks right up to the punk and he goes

goes, can I talk to you outside? The pong just flips the magazine. He goes, the guy looks around and goes, baby, please. Can I please, can I please talk to you outside, please? And I was like, the fuck that he should say? Baby please.

He just said, baby please. Oh my God. And the punk goes, goes, I like the way you talk to me in front of your friends. And he was, he looks around. Everybody's like looking down. He's like, you know, with that same accent?

Oh, yeah, the twang? I like the way you talk to him in front of your friends. And I trust me, I've been mocking. I've been doing the accent the whole, ever since I saw it. I've told this story. It's straight out of that prison break, fucking show. Fucking horrible. And I just, the guy's looking around and everybody's looking like, you're staring at

me, he looks over it, you look away. And he's like, baby, baby, please. Baby, please talk to me outside. Please, baby, please. And you're like, this is the most humiliating thing I've ever seen. Oh, my God. They have a little tiff. Finally, the punk gets up and goes to walk outside.

While they're walking outside, he goes to put his hand on the guy's arm. And he goes, I mean, just like a woman would do. And he goes, oh, he goes, baby, please. It was so humiliating. Goes outside, five minutes later, the punk comes sashaying back in, sits down. the big guy comes back in, walks over, and he's like, baby, please, please gotta, please talk to you outside. Please, I was the most fucking pathetic thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

I felt horrible for that guy. Wow. I mean, he broke up with him? He wants to talk to her for obviously sexual reasons, right? They're probably, he's probably what they call a war daddy. He's protecting the punk. That's his girlfriend. He obviously said something fucked up.

in front of his friends. The punk's upset. Bro, it's got some relationship. Right. Yeah. Of course. It's just a whole thing. Wow.

I mean, I was just like, this is so bad. It was so. God damn, dude. How did you get there? I was like, I can't. I was just on a yacht a few years ago. How the fuck did I get here in the library? How is this?

How is this my life? Oh, my God. I was on a yacht in Italy. What the fuck, dude? Oh, my God. Horrible. That's how it changes, right. Damn, dude.

You know, the mindset. What a crazy life. It is. The mindset in there is so fucked up. I mean, let me tell you, you get so desensitized. There's so much violence and people are fighting. And, of course, I'm not involved in it, but you see it everywhere. Right.

Like, I was sitting in the rec yard one day, right? I'm standing there. Waiting it because there's like a funnel point. So everybody piled up and waiting. And there was this guy standing right here. I think, did I tell you that? this guy standing right here's heads right here another guy

a Mexican guy comes running up he's got a sock well not a sock he's got his belt wrapped around his thing and it's through a through a lock yeah like let me put it right right if I had a if I had a lock and a sock I'm sorry if I had a belt and a lock right here you guys are done oh it's fucking

oh yeah you guys could be you'd be grabbing and there's stuff to grab here there's nothing there nothing you've got nothing to grab nowhere to go this guy runs up and the lock swings right by my head and hits this guy on the skull. The guy falls. Boom! The guy hits him again. Boom. He stumbles. He hits him again. Hits him again. Hits him again.

Until he falls down. He stumbles. He starts to try and stand up again. Hits him again. Why are you standing up? Anyway, you know what I say? Just lay down. The guy's not hit. This happened. I'm sitting there. My first thought was, did I get fucking blood on me? Yeah. No. Not this poor guy. I need to jump in. You don't jump in. You jump in. You jump in. You go to the fucking chew. Right.

You walk away. Like if there's a fight, guys don't pile around and watch. They start walking. Guards will come in and swarm around everybody and just start grabbing. You, you, you, you. And there are 15 guys go to the shoe. I happen to be playing guitar next to the fight. So, you know, this guy's bleeding so bad.

He actually tries to leave. And one of the CEOs sees how much he's bleeding and realizes, whoa, whoa, whoa. He had a white shirt on that was completely like dark red, just filthy dark red from the blood. Your skull bleeds so much. Yeah. It's amazing how much your skull will bleed compared to any other part of your body. So that guy, it turned out, that guy got beat up over a punk.

So later on, like, let's say, whatever, at another time, I'm sitting there. And this is your, like I said, this is how fucked up you are you would, you get. Is that I remember one time they're screaming, lock down, lock down, somebody had gotten stabbed in the yard. There's a guy, a white guy. There's not a lot, in the medium, like, literally, we're talking about like, $1,600. guys, there's maybe 50 white guys. And 40 of them, 40 of them are there for meth with no teeth. I mean, what am I going to, who am I going to talk to?

So you can't link up with those guys. I'm not talking to it. I got nothing in common with these guys. You know, they say, make statements like, that motherfucker's a goddamn genius. The best meth I ever had. You're like, oh, Christ, what am I going to talk to this guy? Right. You can't link up with those guys.

Right. So this guy comes down one day They're screaming Lockdown, lock down He comes running up to me And he says Bro, somebody just got stabbed He goes

You know my cellie just got stabbed In the fucking wreckyard I go your fucking Sally did And he goes I go Timmy just asked Timmy And he goes They're screaming Getting yourself with him

We're having this conversation People are running around I go so Timmy just got stabbed He goes yeah I go So you're saying There's a two-man room available And he goes exactly He's putting your fucking thing right now

I fill out a cop-out And run it put it under the door and then run back to my fucking cell while the cops are screaming at us to get in. Holy shit. Timmy's done. Free room. Hell yeah. Two-man room. Got to get out of three-man. Every man for himself.

It's fucking vicious. Wow. Vicious. Where was this is a fucking microwave one day? So we're eating something up and a fucking shank this big fell. It was taped up under the thing. And it just went, bing! And I went, whoa. I look over at the guy I'm with and he goes, kicks it under the door.

goes over and tells one of the Mexican guys, he goes, fucking shank just fell. And they're like, oh, shit. Five of them walk over there like a wall. And one guy jumps down and grabs the shank and takes off. I mean,

it's just, ridiculous. And which one? Is this in the medium? That's the medium. The medium. Like when I went to the, when I went to the low,

it's a different atmosphere. What's so funny is, like at the medium, I never had any problems. The only problem, the closest I even came to a problem was, I was slamming my door. The doors are thick and heavy.

Yeah. So I'm walking out and just, you know, I walk out and close the door. And it would, you know, I let it go. And even though it didn't slam

because it's so heavy, it does go. You know, even if it's moving slow and it hits it. It's loud. So my next door neighbor one day comes to me and goes, hey, Cox.

And I'm like, you know, come on, I don't talk to anybody. I have nothing to talk to you guys about. Mm-hmm. I talked to maybe three people in the whole compound. So the guy comes over and he goes,

Cox, can I talk to you? And I was like, yeah, do I know you? He goes, yeah, I'm your next-door neighbor. I went, in the unit? Yeah. And I went, okay, man, I'm sorry, bro.

I don't know. He's been the next door to me. Next door. Nine months. No idea. So, and he goes, listen, I'm taking anger management. And I thought, no conversation starts well.

There's no good conversation starts off on taking anger management. And I thought, okay, he goes, you've been slamming the door. Now, I don't know if you're doing it on purpose. And, you know, I'm bipolar. it and I feel like you're, maybe you are, I don't, he starts having a little fucking melt I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I said, bro, if I'm slamming the door and it bothers you, I apologize. That's totally my fault. My bad.

I'm going to take care of that. I'm going to slamming that door no more. That was my bad, and I apologize for that. I mean, this guy would kill me. Really? And I'm like, you know. Big ass dude? How big do you, if you're five foot eight, you're a big guy.

Yeah, true. I'm five six. I don't matter. It doesn't matter. Right, right. Right, right. No matter. So that, I mean, literally he,

The problem was I didn't stop slamming the door. I slammed it like for the next week or the cell he comes to me. On purpose? No, I just forget. I'm not thinking. I'm just,

I'm walking out of my cell. I'm going to work. I'm going to, I teach GED to a bunch of retards. I mean, I teach what, listen, I'm teaching prison GED

and I'm teaching what's called the skills class. These are the guys that have taken so, taking so many hours. They can't pass the GED. They give them a pass if they can pass the same. skills class. So I'm teaching

40 year old men and 30 year old and 20 year old men how to count change. Basic math. Yeah. Yeah. They can't do it. And you go, I don't understand. You know all the words to Tupac's and dog chain and all these songs

and you can tell me how much money this guy made. You can tell me the stats for all of these football teams and everything. But you don't know that a quarter, a dime, a and a nickel is 40 cents And they're like, I need to know all that shit

I'm going back to sell drugs, man. But yeah, but don't you But you have to count your money. My whole count my money. My bitch count my money, yo. And I'm like, yeah, but what if you're, what if your bitch counts the money wrong? I put that pipe on her she count that shit right?

You're like, that pipe. Holy shit. Fucking horse. I mean, that's what you do. Keep mine to, by this point, I've been engrossed in this whole thing. One of the worst moments I had was,

I talked about when I went to the low, remember when the guy said, you know, trying to call you peeps. Yeah. I don't know what the hell he's saying. I'm standing behind these two black guys. I hate to use the black guys as the examples. You know what I'm saying?

But it's like 80% of the population. And they're urban guys, you know. And I am a typical, you know, white you know middle class white guys right so you know and they you know they're calling you a cracker and all this yeah yeah um but i'm sitting behind these two black guys and i'm sitting there and the one guy they're talking about their case and the one guy goes uh man how you fall man shit

nig got a nigger fucked up over two doves and a stack know what i'm saying and i thought i do know what he's saying oh my god i know exactly what he's you know what you say? That's when you realize you're like, I've been in here too long. Think about what he said. Two doves? Yeah, no, yeah, nigga got a nigga fucked up

over two doves and a stack. Thousand bucks. Thousand bucks. What's a dove? A kilo. Two kilos or cocaine, right? White birds. Two bees. Oh, birds. Yeah, birds. Yeah, birds. Nice. Oh.

Nice. Yeah. I mean, I'm like. Or we call them chickens. When I, listen, I went, when I, he said that, I was like, oh, I've got to get out of here. I have to get out of here. I know exactly what you're saying. I know exactly what they're saying.

I'd be great in prison. So we listen to like, you would not be great in prison. I would be able to, I would be able to communicate very well. I know that, I know that, I know that lingo.

I listen to a lot of fucking tongue. They might braid Danny's hair up the first day in there. I listen. You got to shave your scalp so the wig, so the mop wig fits. Bullshit. I'd be fucking in with him, bro. I'd be cool.

I wouldn't, I wouldn't be no punk. Listen, it's You know, that's the whole thing The whole punk thing It's just not true It's like, it's not that it's not true Look, I don't know what it is like At other places

At Coleman it's not true You know what I'm saying? There's too many gay guys Yeah And, and whatever Yeah It's too available There's too many guys doing stuff

Are there any gay prison guards? Probably you probably Well, there's lots of like You know the lesbian prison guards You don't necessarily know the gay prison guards Because, you know, like, you know, obviously in the women's prisons, like the prison guards can get away with, like, sexual assault on the prisoners because they're women or whatever.

I'm wondering if there's any, like, dude prison guards. The only thing I know of is one time we were, uh, I know this guy's got 20 years. I'm not going to use a name because they're still locked up. It's fucked up. And he would be humiliated. They don't have YouTube in there, do they? No, but the guards do.

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Tell your friends to subscribe. Subscribe. Yeah. We're trying to break 300,000. Leave a comment. So, we had a guy one time, a CEO who's a new CEO.

He's just been transferred. He calls this other guy in to the office. He walks by. He was an older white guy. He calls this other white guy to it with an inmate in to his office. He goes, hey, how long you've been here? He goes, I've been here a while.

I've been here about three years, about three years. You know, getting called into CEO's office is not good. It's like, you know, you walk out, guys like, what would you all talk about? Like, are you telling on people? Are you, why are you in, you know? Yeah. So he's like, I've been here about three years. And he goes, yeah?

He said, uh, how old are you? He's like, you know, about 60. It's like, whatever his age was. He's like, and the CEO was probably in his late, probably early 60s. He said, yeah. He goes, well, you work out. Look out. You look like you're in pretty good shape.

He's like, I work out. I work out. He's like, yeah, I work out. Well, he's like, yeah. Yeah. And he said, at that point, I started going, the fuck is going on. He was hitting on them. This guy's fucking checking me out.

So he said, it got to the point where he, they're having a conversation. And then he said, out of the blue. the CEO says, you know, if you're in prison, he has sex with another man, it doesn't make you gay. And he goes, yeah, it does. He goes, he goes, no, it doesn't. I mean, you're in prison and, you know, people do things in prison. They wouldn't normally do.

He was, not me. Not me. He said, look, I got to go, and he walks off. So he comes and tells me, and I go, holy shit. He's like, yeah, I don't feel good about that. No, what the fuck? And I looked at him, I went, fuck. So then I'm going, I talk to my buddy Pete.

Rossini? Rossini. So we're down there and I go, tell him what happened. He goes, man, listen to this shit. So he tells us all. It's me, Pete and some other guy. And we're talking. And so Pete looks at me and we're all looking at each other. And I go, honestly, that may be you get out of jail free card. Oh, fuck you. And he goes, what do you mean? You guys are fucking evil. And I went, I'm just saying, don't be so quick to turn this guy down. And he goes, hey, fuck you. I go, I'm, I'm. I'm just saying, look, what's the big deal? I said, you give him a reach around. And Pete goes, save the sample. And so he's like, quit fucking around.

Quit fucking. I go, bro, you got a lot of time. It's just not looking good. Your case ain't going well. You're going to do that whole fucking 20 bit. You understand that I'm just saying, what's the big deal? And what's he say? Nobody's going to say anything.

I'm not going to judge you. I won't judge you. He's just furious. You fucking assholes. If you could blow the prison guard for save 10 years of your life, would you do it? I'll do the time. Would you really? Are you fucking serious?

I don't know. Fuck, yeah. You're blowing a motherfucker. Hell to the middle. I might jack a dude off for 10 years. Blowing, blow a job, that's bad. I don't know if I definitely wouldn't do that.

10 years. To give a fucking prison guard to jack off a prison guard to save 10 years of your life, you wouldn't do it? Rather kill myself. You wouldn't jack a dude off. Do you know how much time in prison? You'd be like if I'd have this conversation. He's a 50 anyway.

He's a big fat, uh, big fat, uh, uh, uh, brother Jeffrey Epson. And the guy that's like him saying he'd rather kill himself, that's the real gay guy. Hell, it's, he'd be like, hideous looking prison, female prison guards and guys would be like, which is never even three years, three years off your sentence. They're like, three years off your sentence, which in, I'd be like, no. Hell no. No, no, they go, what if nobody had to know?

I, you go, I'd know. Fuck that. I'm not doing it. No fucking way. Dude, 20 years. 20 years. You're doing 20. If you would, if you, if the, if fucking, let's say it straight.

If God came down from heaven instead of Shane, your sense is 20. Listen, wait, wait, shut up. If God, shut up. I got another stipulations. Hang on, no, I'm making it up. All right. If you're in prison and fucking God comes down from heaven. For how many years I'm in prison for?

20 years. Okay. On day one, God comes down and says, Shane, if you jack this guy off, you're a free man. You don't have to do 20 years. Not a chance, bro. Not a chance. Oh, you're doing 20? You're doing, you're doing 10 or 20?

You're doing 10 or jack some guy off or you're doing 20? No. No, you're doing 20 or you jack off the card. You walk out of the phone. And you walk out. No time. Fuck that. No way.

You're doing 20. No way. I'm doing, I'd rather do 20. I'm saying I jack off the prison garden. I'm walking out of the gate. Might give him a massage. It's a lot of time, bro. Fuck it.

20 years to jack a guy off. I don't give a fuck. So, all right. I can't fucking believe it. That went left so hard. No way am I doing it. No fucking way. He's a real homophob.

Oh, listen. Listen, at 11 o'clock at night, you know what K2 is? Yeah. Okay. So they send it in there all the time. Yeah. Like they'll dip like the corner of a letter in and somebody mails it in. And they know it's the upper left.

They peel it off. They're fucking guy off of that shit. Oh, they get bad batches all the time. Oh, yeah. They strip their clothes. Guys will strip their clothes off, think they're on fire, run around screaming. Really? Run naked across the compound.

Holy shit. The guards will surround them. And they're like, and they're like, you know, and then they'll have to jump on some naked guy. Or guys will smoke it in the fucking bathroom at 11 o'clock at night. And next thing you know, they're screaming or that you, they're out on. This happens all the time. Oh, yeah. You go in the bathroom.

Just tell me about it. He said he was in there. He said it was three of them in there They got some K2 He said one guy hit it Hit it one time Fell back on the floor Boom passed out

He said the next guy Grab the joint out of the dude's hand That passed out Hit it boom Passed out And then the guard comes in and says He thinks he knocked the two guys out in the fight He said what the fuck

You're fighting these guys And then he sees the joint in one's dude And he's like Did you smoke that shit? He's like am I laying on the ground? He said hell no So the guys just smoked the two of them That's like embalming

fluid on it and all sorts of shit and they'll tell you like they've taken guys to the hospital they fucking got them on respirators yeah he said they were in there for like 20 days laying in bed fucking screaming and hollering they're on fire and you're like I'm trying to fucking sleep

and that shit's nasty and you know you got the same batch he got and then you go immediately go in the bathroom and smoke your shit because that's a good shit the guy's on fire oh that must be the good shit you want to be on fire I want to be on fire dog I'm just chill.

No way. But like at 11 o'clock at night, you go in the bathroom, right? It's going down. And it's like Sodom and Gomorrah going down. I mean, there'll be a couple of punks in there with a fucking couple of guys. It's like what going down? Sodom and Gomorrah. What is Sodom and Gomorah?

It's just they're having sex with each other. What is that reference? It's the Bible. It's Sodom and Gomorra. Sodom and Gomorah. Yeah, it's the city. of what? It was in the city,

Sodom and Gomorre was the city? You know what this is? I've heard of it before. Yeah, it was just a liar. It was just so bad. It was just such a, it was just,

there's just, there's just, there's just, there's homosexuality, there's prostitution, there's everything. It was so bad that God fucking

wipes the whole thing. I think he, he wipes the whole thing off the face of the earth. It's just, you know, sodomy. Right. You know, the, so it's just

such a horrible city, they just wipes it off the right. Okay. And I forget who the two people are that, like, leave and the woman they say God says like leave and don't look back and the woman looks back and she turns into like a pillar of salt

no so that she turns into like salt Sodom and Gomor did you read the Bible in prison hell no I don't right it's not that I have a problem it's not that I don't believe it's I want to believe it's comforting the problem is I have an issue with just organized religion so you're Jewish you're going to that would make me want to read it

he's Christian and he's go yeah but so which Bible do you read who's is it the Quran is it the Bible which Bible is it I would have read them all Stop. I mean, I can't imagine that there's somebody saying, oh, sorry, you're Baptist. You're not going to heaven. You're Catholic. You're going, come on, stop, bro. I figure you're a good person. You're trying to do good things. I've already crossed that line. It's over for me. The reptilians run the whole world anyway. I mean, how many people that are like hardcore Christians or Catholics have actually read that, read the whole Bible, I doubt. Oh, in prison, a ton of them. Really? Yeah. In prison, they read them all the time.

Oh, I didn't tell you this. This is funny. So at the medium, I never have a problem. I never have an issue with anybody, really. You know, I have a couple of close calls where it could have gone back. Nothing would happen. It's good. I'm good.

I was teaching the real estate class, too. So everybody thinks they're going to start, get out and flip houses. So I'm either selling certificates and people are happy. Or I'm teaching the real estate class. And everybody's like, man, that dude's a beast. He's fucking good at real estate. I'm going to get out and make a bunch of money. Hey, Cox, man.

I appreciate a good class. Guys are shaking my hand. when they're leaving class. It was bizarre. Like I changed their lives. And I would get up there and I would explain how look, drug dealers really have a leg up on flipping houses. Yeah.

They'll knock on doors. They're hustlers. They're hustlers. Yeah, we talked about that. So I'm fine. When I go to the low, I get in there. And I mean, I'm not there, but I'm in there a few months. And this black guy, six foot six black guy comes up to me one day.

In my cell, I'm sitting there and I'm writing. comes up to me and he says, Hey, I go, yeah, what's up? And he goes, this is how this is going to work, bro. You give me $50 in commissary. He goes, every month, you ain't going to have no problems. And I go, yeah? He goes, yeah.

I go, 50? He goes, 50. And I go, that could probably swing 50. So he's got to be 50? He goes, yes, got to be 50. I said, are you got a list or something? A list of what? A list of commissary items I have to buy out.

So he's kind of like, it's going better than he thought. Big guy. Kill me. He beat me like a small child if he had to. I mean, it was just six foot six. Yeah. Working out 10 years probably. I mean, it's ridiculous.

And I'm sitting down. I'm still just like, all right? I say, well, you're going to give me a list or what? And he goes, yeah, I'll get you. I'll get you. He goes, you won't get it? And I went, yeah, I'm going to get it. I got you. I got you. I said, dude, do me a favor. Write your name and reg number down, though. What's sell you're in?

and he goes, what do you need that for? I said, well, I need to know where you're at so I can bring you the stuff and everything. He goes, yeah? And I said, yeah, make sure you write it all down. He goes, yeah, all right, all right. So make sure your reg numbers and your real names on it too. And he goes, why?

He goes, what do you need that for? I said, so when I bring it to the fucking counselor and I give him the list that you just gave me and I tell him, hey, what am I supposed to do with this? I said, I want to make sure that when we call you, we can get you right in the office so we can talk about this. and he goes

oh oh that's how it is I said that's how it fucking is I said if I just did three years in the fucking medium I didn't have any problems I said do you think I'm coming to the fucking low

I'm gonna pay you $50 oh this was in the low oh my god I'm gonna get shook down no wonder you're so cocky yeah I go I'm gonna get shook down the fucking low yeah and he goes

oh that's how it is I said yeah I said let me explain something I go this is a fucking protective custody prison I said so everybody here's a fucking snitcher or a chomo I said I said, there's maybe four or five guys in each unit, and those are the guys that went to trial that didn't cooperate.

I said, no offense. I said, you didn't go to trial. I said, I'm thinking you didn't go to trial. And if you did, then you don't want to fuck with a guy like me. I said, because I'll fucking rat you out like that. I said, I'm not paying you shit. I said, are we all good here? He goes, you're going to have problems.

I said, motherfucker I've had problems my whole life. My whole life's been a problem. I said, I don't give a shit. And I sat there, and I'm being loud, too, so people are looking. So now he's looking. And he goes, all right, we'll see, we'll see. I said, all right. He walks off.

What the fuck was he in there for, you think? Oh, I think he was drugs. He had a life sentence. Oh, really? I find out later, he's gone back to court like six times in the last five or six years. Oh, shit. Cooperating, knock, cracking people off. Yeah.

Testifying, bam, man. He went from life down to like 15 years or something. He's down to like eight or ten years. So that guy's not fucking up at all. No, he can't. Right. But he saw me and he thought soft, white cracker. Right.

Easy Mark. Yeah. So here's what's funny about this. So I'm walking by him and stuff and I would see him and he would just kind of walk by me and, you know, whatever, bro. So, and I'm not fucking with a guy. I mean, he could kill me. Right. So, you know, I'm avoiding him.

But we're in the same unit. So let's say his name is B. Okay. I forget what his name was, though. So one day, my celly. goes to the drug program. I'm in a two-man room, and I'm on the top bunk. I'm supposed to move to the bottom bunk.

Well, this other guy, they called him Rambo. He was a fat, fat Puerto Rican guy that was loud, screamed all the time. He owed his Rambo. Yeah, he had a cane, and so he, basically, you don't just move in someone's cell. You go and you say, hey, look, man,

I know your bed's coming available. I'd like to move in. You know, can we, you know, because it's a dickhead move, and it could be a real problem, especially with races and stuff, different races. That's not really an issue at Coleman so much. It is, but it is.

People like to act like it is, but nobody's probably going to do anything. But you want to have somebody, you don't want an attention, a tent situation. So I come back from the rec yard one day. My cellie had left the day before. This guy Rambo's in the bottom bunk.

They're moving all this stuff in, in my cell. And it's not yourself, but it is myself, but it's not myself. I've been there. Yeah. It's the BOP. cell, you know. Yeah.

But you get, you know, it's, there's, you know, you follow the kind of the rules, right? So, and I'm like, what the fuck? So one of the guys turned around, he's like, hey, man, he moved it. He didn't even speak, speak English. So another guy, poor working guy is helping him. He's like, they're like, hey, man, Coxie moving in. And I'm like, oh, that's bullshit. Because another guy was supposed to move in.

And he's like, he's like, he's got a cane. He's the bottom bunk. And I was supposed to move the bottom bunk. Right. And I'm stuck on the top. This fat fucker just, just, just. Fucked me over. Why is the bottom bunk so much better?

Because you don't have to climb up on this. You know, you're not, I'm not 12, you know, I mean, it's comfortable. You got to go to the bathroom in the middle of light.

You got to climb down to the, you got to climb back up. You got, it's just a pain in the ass. Okay. That's the main reason, though? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So I'm just like, so I'm furious. And they know I'm furious, but they're like, yeah, fuck him, what's he going to do?

Right. You know? And I'm like, okay, okay, So I walk into the white TV room. You got the main TV rooms, like basically the black TV room. Then you got the Hispanic TV room.

Because they're a little tiny room, which is the Hispanic TV room. And then you've got the white TV room, which is a little tiny room too. And they get the big room, which is the black room. That's crazy that they all segregate. Yeah. And here's the funny thing. They self-segregate. Like literally, they do it themselves.

Right. So I go in the white TV room and I'm like, fuck, motherfucker. I start, you know, I bitch in there like, what's going on? What's going on? So this is a biker dude that's in there. He goes, bro, I'm leaving in like a month. His celly is a sex offender, because they call creature.

This guy never bays. He's got like a pintergram. He's a completely just disgusting guy. And like they're, everybody, they push him around. People are vicious to him. I mean, and he's timid and scared and everything.

So the guy's name was Danny. Danny goes, fuck he said well I'm leaving you can move into my place and I was like man I'm not Who's name was Danny? Creature? No no The biker. The biker. Okay. He was Cox you can move in my place I said man I don't want to be in that

fucking cell one day And I was like Fuck! I'm trying to figure out how I'm so fucking furious about this So I go You know what? I said let's go talk to creature I said maybe Creature will switch with me

So we go over and say hey creature listen would you mind switching cells i said i have an issue with this guy he didn't speak english we've had a couple of issues before i'm not going to sell with him he's like oh i'm really i'm he's got glasses he's like i um i really want to stay here i like i like stay in here i'm i'm like you're creature's this is a real issue for me i really need you i said look i'm willing to get you i'll get you $20 in commissary i'm not like these other guys bro i'll i'll pay you you know i'm good for it i'm not going to fuck you over and he's like you know i think i I think I'll stay, I'll stay.

And then Danny goes, Creature, he said, you know, before I came here, guys were really mean to you, right? And he's like, yeah, yeah. He said, but I don't really let him be mean to you now, right? He's like, yeah, he said, well, I can't guarantee it's not going to get really bad for you unless you move. And I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I say, creature, I don't know what he's saying. That's not what's happening here. And he's looking at me like, what? I'm like, nobody's, it's totally up to you. So he's like, I don't know, I don't know. I said, look, $30 in commissary. and he goes okay I'll do it for $30 in commissary

so we go and we go in get the counselor sign the paperwork do everything swap fucking beds while this guy's asleep the uh Rambo's asleep taking a nap in the middle of the day we switch beds

so we get the dolly we switch the fucking our lockers and when I go to put Creatures locker and I slam it bam then he Rambo wakes up what's going on what's going on

What's going on? No, do, do that, da, da, da, da, da, da. And I go, have fun with your new, you know, with your new celly. Turn around, I walk out. With the fucking creature. All of the, um, all the Puerto Rican guys rush into his, the cell. And they're like, all of a sudden I hear, he's looking around like, what's going on there all, like laughing at him? And all of a sudden he goes, the Chomo!

And they all fucking burst out laughing. Who, creature said that? No, the fucking, the Puerto Rican guy goes, the Chomo. Realizing, I just stuck, I just stuck the Chomo in. Oh, yeah. So he's furious. Other Puerto Rican's like that. They're like,

so now you're in with the biker. Oh, yeah, I'm in with the biker, which was a really good guy. Yeah. And he left like a month later, and I moved down to the rent.

So, but what's so funny is that two weeks later, he goes, two weeks later, I see the tall, the tall black guy that tried to shake me down. Yeah. Walk,

I'm walking, no, not two, did I say two weeks? Like two days later. Two days later. So I'm walking down the hallway. What's time when you're in for so long? Yeah.

Well, I'm walking down the hallway, and he goes, Cox, Cox, and I look up at him, I'm thinking, oh, fuck, I go, yeah, what's up? And he goes, that shit you did with, he said, what creature? And I go, yeah, he goes, it was a veteran move, bro. He's a fucking veteran move. He was nice.

Nice job. But I go, yeah, you like that? Yeah, he goes, nice. He says, like, after that, talking to me all the time. Really? What's going on, man? What's up? I'm like, what's up?

He's seen you had an angle on that move, and he made it good. That was just great. That's hilarious, man. He's, uh, it's funny because he's the guy. And when Trump won. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's fucking.

What fucking, what was it like in there with the fucking morning Trump one? Because up until then, it was, you know, these guys, they're delusional. They think, like, are they all talking about, like, the whole, the whole fucking presidential race? Of course, they're all watching on TV, right? Huge into politics. Yeah. And it's basically split, like, just like you'd think it would be split. Yeah.

The Mexicans and the blacks. Love Hillary Clinton. and all the white guys Oh, like guys Love Trump, right You know, and I'm sitting there going He's never going to win He's not going to win

And you got to be Oh, you'll see, you'll see I'm like, you're fucking crazy That's insane What did you think? I didn't think he's going to win There's no way he's going to win Did you like him?

You know, here's the problem With Trump is, I have no problem with Trump's policies I don't have an issue With his policies all What I have an issue is that's like Stop talking

Yeah Stop saying stupid shit Yeah Stop saying fucked up shit All you've got to do Is read the speech Right You could go down as an amazing president.

You enter into the White House when the economy is on an upswing. It looks like you've done amazing things. You can't fuck this up unless you keep saying stupid shit. Read the, just read the same. You can't even read. All you have to do is read. You can't even read. Read the speeches.

Just read the speeches. Make it a short, very simple speech. Don't say any, don't deviate. He can't not deviate. And, yeah, because it's narcissism. Yeah, of course. And he's got this huge following. Fucking massive ego.

Yeah, it's ego. Yeah, it's the ego. And so all the, the black guys are all, they love Hillary Clinton. Like, she's going to set him free. She's going to set them free. Wow. Because she was the opposite of Trump, right? Right.

It doesn't matter. Yeah. It was like, look, it's like, if Obama didn't do all these things that you guys thought they were going to do, Hillary's not. Her husband built more prisons than anybody. Right. It profited off of them. tons of presidents. So I'm like, at least Trump is, it's money about, for Trump, it's about money.

If it doesn't make economic sense, he's going to make a decision. You know, it's based on. He's all about the money. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, you might have a shot of getting something with, listen, I actually got time knocked off my sentence because of one of the bills that he passed. It wasn't a lot of time.

It was like 11 days. It was supposed to be like 60 or 70 days. I forget the exact number. But by the time it passed, I'd already been past that point, so they just let me out a week early. But why don't guys have got years off? From Trump? Yeah, Pete got like a year off his sentence. Really?

What was the bill? The bill was that the BOP technically you get 15% off your sentence for gain time, right? But the BOP calculate, it should be 54 days a year. But the BOP has a way of calculating so that it's only 47 days. So you end up getting you end up losing a week of good time every year 20 years So what's it Pete's got 20 year or he's got

What is it 20 times you know seven so it's not He's got six months six months of a sentence was knocked off not a year Right So actually he's more than he's that 23 years So whatever that comes basically it's six months He got six months knocked off So I don't have an issue with his policies I just think he's just a blow you know he's just a

Blow hard, yeah. You know, it's too bad. Yeah, he's wild. But what's so funny about it is that it was all energy. Everybody was, they were all pumped up. You got everybody fired up. No, I'm saying before the, before the thing, before the, before the, during the election. During the election.

During the election. Then the next morning, it looks like he's doing well. And I go to bed. It was doing well. It's not going to happen. Yeah. I go to bed. I wake up the next morning.

I'm walking. I'm going to get my coffee. I'm walking through the hallway and everybody's so quiet I hear shit there's a bunch of guys up too and they're just like grumbling

I'm like what I see this fucking guy I go Hey hey man He's like yeah what's up Cox And I go Man who won the

Who won? And he goes Man Fuck you you know that cracker won that shit man Man I go I start laughing I go

Are you serious? And he goes Man you fuck away I said Oh my God God, he won? I said, oh, I said, oh, you're done, bro. You guys are all the, fuck you, cocked him.

Because they're all telling us to make a joke. So what's so funny is like after that, this is like, remember the guy was standing up? Yeah, remember the guy? So one day I come walking up, this is like, fucking four or five months later, I go walking up to get some water. And the guy's bent over drinking water out of the water fountain. And I come walking up behind him. He goes, hey, hey, hey, Cox.

He goes, I don't like a white man coming up on me like that from behind when I'm drinking water. Joking around, right? And I looked at him. I said, listen, bro. I said, don't worry. Another year of Trump, you're going to have your own water fountain. Oh, my God. He goes, oh.

You should have seen him. He was like, oh, my God. I was like, nice, right? Oh, my God. You're motherfucker. He just walked off like, fuck. Oh, my God. I mean, I would think Trump will get reelected?

Nowadays, you'll get fucking kicked off every social media platform for saying some shit like that. Oh, my. Who knows? It's insane. I'm, you know, I'm just shocked. I'm shocked that he's made it this long. Saying the stuff that he said, that things. Do you keep up with it?

Do you keep up with them? I barely keep up with it. When I was. It's such a distraction. When I was in prison, everybody, everybody is reading every single thing. Right. You have all the time in the world. Right.

So you don't even have to read anything. Everybody will tell you what's going on. Right. This is what happened. and this and this and this and this. And what's amazing to me was the guys that were actually predicting that he was going to win. And then he won. And they were just like...

Are they betting on it in there? Oh, they bet on everything. Hell yeah, right. They bet on everything. For sure. The only time I ever bet was on the Casey Anthony trial. That she get convicted? No.

I bet because the odds were really... I bet that she would get... The highest odds was that she would get... Let go. Yeah, let go. Yeah, yeah. You could bet, you know, guys were really... were taking soup so I bet one soup I said boom she's getting off and they were like you're

fucking crazy I said all right we'll see I said I crazy ass bitch got off I said I saw that opening scene and I I saw the opening the opening argument or whatever you call when they first start and that guy said when the lawyer Jose Jose Baez said yeah she could be she could be having her father's penis in her mouth at seven o'clock and by 830 she was playing with her friends on the you in the playground at school, I thought. That was her lawyer, right? It was her lawyer said that. Yeah, yeah.

You have to understand where her mind's at. She's being, you know, molested or whatever. You know, and when he said that, I was like, holy she. I couldn't believe he said it. I was just blatant like that. I was like, oh, this dude's going to pull something off. Anybody who's willing to go way in. Yeah, he stretched it to the farthest.

He's going to blame everything on the father. Yeah. Holy shit. And then she gets off. I was like, holy shit. That's funny. But she did it, right? Everybody knows she did that shit.

I'm sure she did. God damn. Sometimes you get that fucking lawyer that pushes, like that, who was O.J.'s lawyer? Johnny Cochran? Johnny Cochran. You get that Johnny Cochran in there once in a while, man. You get lucky. Yeah.

I think I won like 10 or 11 soups. On that bet. Wow. It was really high. I was like, well, I mean, it's a soup. Fuck it. But it's a lot in there. Soup's a soup.

Yeah. Anything free. I can go for a soup right now. Soup sandwich? You know, everybody complains about those ramen soup. Those ramens. They're awesome.

Yeah, they love ramen soup. So, like, there's all these guys that are locked up, right, that,

you know, look, first of all, you're in a prison where almost everybody cooperated, or they, um,

they cooperated or their sex offenders, right? Mm-hmm. But you got these guys that will show up, and of course, they're like,

you know, I didn't fucking cooperating against nobody, you know, and they're walking around calling everybody a fucking snitches and fucking choboros.

Huh? Well, no. go to trial. You ended up here. You didn't go to trial, but you didn't cooperate. Well, that doesn't really make sense. The statistically, it doesn't make sense. I mean, maybe there's one or two of those guys, but the fact that you're also a six-foot tall white guy that's a tatted up, and you got 15 years, and you didn't go to trial, but you got, it just doesn't make sense. You know what I'm saying? Why wouldn't they have sent you someplace closer to your house? There's

all these prisons that are closer to. Why would they send you across the country? They sent you across the country from fucking California here. You cooperated. You can't go to a California prison. Yeah. You know, there's guys that you cooperated. It'll get around. You don't have the correct paperwork. So they send you to a prison where you can't get your paperwork in. Everybody at Coleman will say, oh yeah, I can't get my PSI. Your PSI basically tells whether you cooperated. So they're like, yeah, when you get there, if it's a real, like a tough prison, they go, man, listen, you got about two weeks to get your paperwork in.

And then everybody kind of is standoffish. They don't, they're not judging you yet. Right. Wait for your paperwork come in. And I've changed people's paperwork. Like, I mean, when I was at the, I had access to a computer and a printer when I was at the medium. And I had guys that would come to me and be like, listen, man, you know, this guy, he, Sessions says, she's a good guy. His fucking paperwork's fucked up, though.

His PSI. I mean, I know you fucking do documents and shit. Is there anyway? You got a fine arts degree. Yeah, yeah, you got a fine arts degree. And I go, and I go, give me his fucking PSI. And I look, we look through, they could, it's just. page right here and then the last page.

I go, all right. So I'd match up the font. I'd retype the thing. I'd paste it on. I'd paste it over it. I'd go make a fucking copy of it. I'd copy all the pages so they all look the same. And I'd change the last page. Whole thing. Give it back to them. Boom. Here's what's fucked up. I did that maybe three or four times in the medium for guys. I had this

one guy that was a Mexican. It was half Mexican, half Puerto Rican. And the Mexicans were given them a hard time. Because they don't like the Puerto Ricans. They're already they already don't like them. Yeah. So and he can't provide his paperwork. So when I give him the paperwork, I say, look, wait till they ask you again. Tell them you got it in a couple days ago.

Tell them you're going to show one or two of the shot callers and you don't want to hear about it again. I said, you see what I'm saying? Don't be passing around. Don't too stupid about it. Like you're flaunting it. People will get suspicious if you're flaunting it. You don't want to show it because you don't, there's a lot of snitches here. You know what I'm saying?

Be reasonable just like the other guys would be. They don't want to show everybody their paperwork. Somebody will jump on their case. And he goes, okay, okay, okay. So a couple days later, guys are like, and you ever get your paperwork in? He's like, yeah, man, I got it. I'm going to show it to you, but I'm going to show it to everybody,

but I'll show it to you, this shot collar and this guy and the guy who's running this unit, and that's it, man. You all vouched for him, that's it. I ain't showing it to fucking 50 people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They go in, they look at it, they check it out, he's good, that's it. Man, a month later, I walk in, and he's standing there with a bunch of the Mexicans

that were basically, you know, shunning him before. and as I walk by I hear him say Man we're gonna have to see that motherfucker's paperwork man I think about you No about somebody else He's like yeah that mother Some got new guy's that yeah I want to see his paper I don't think he's no good

I don't think he's no good I look over at him and he looks at me He's like looks at the ground like Fuck and I was just thinking you fucking piece of shit What So now your paperwork's no good And I just got you good paperwork And now you're going around asking for people's paperwork

He's just a fucking hypocrite piece of shit He's a yeah he was a he was a good He was a scared kid that I thought I was helping out. Yeah. Now, you're just a scumbag. I figured, I'm going to do it because I feel bad for him. And I figure the next guy, maybe he helps out. And he didn't fucking help him out.

He's ready to jump right in the fucking car with everybody. People are fucking savages, dude, though, right? I mean, you don't have to be. He was an advocate for the paperwork. Right, right, right. But what's so funny is, you get to the low, it's the same thing. There's the last people are asking for paperwork. But it's hard to get your paperwork sent in.

Like, guys will say, I try to get. sent in, it came through legal, they turned it down, and it is very, it's difficult. I've had my PS in size, my PSI was sent in twice. My PSI looks good. Like, it, it doesn't say anything about cooperation or anything. It's actually, it's amazing how good it looks. And I would get it, and guys would come to me and go, yo, Cox, man, you just got here and we heard some shit. And I'm going to need to see your paperwork.

I'm like, oh, okay, I'll show you my PSI. And I go, here, come here. And I show it and they looked there and I go, okay. You had no one to cooperate against. Huh? You had nobody. I cooperated against everybody. For some reason, it wasn't in my PSI.

Because the last page is what they're mostly concerned about. It says, like, did he get a 5K1 or is he got a Rule 35 coming? I don't have anything like that. So it looks good to them. Yeah. They're not going to read fucking 50 pages of documents. So they're like, he's like, all right, all right. I go.

Yeah, it says I didn't cooperate. I said, but let me go ahead and let you in on something, bro. I cooperated against every motherfucker I could think of. It's just not. happened to be in here doesn't mean that I didn't do it doesn't mean that I don't want out of this fucking place I said and it doesn't mean that that I said any of this means shit right I said so I don't want to let you in on something I said my paperwork looks good but I said I'm not good and he was like the fuck nobody ever says that right no and by that point I already know

there were there have been articles that say I was cooperating that when I was in the medium so all he's got to do is ask somebody it's already getting around. So for me to sit there and say, you know, for me to sit there and go, yeah, man, yeah, I'm good. He's going to get an article in any day now. So I'm like, so it's all bad. I said, you can have people look on the internet. It's all bad. And he's like, that's fucked up. I said, it is fucked up. So we're not going to be friends. And I feel bad about that because he seemed like a nice guy. And I get up and walk away and they're like, motherfucker. What are you going to do? Yeah. What can you do? Fuck you. You know what I'm saying? I'm giving a shit. I didn't come here to

make friends. Right, exactly. So you're trying to get the fuck out of there. Right. I want fucking out. Right. What? 20-30. Right. I'm not here to fucking... I'm supposed to be in prison right now. Right. So here's what's funny. So some of these guys are, you know, the site, statistically, it doesn't make sense, Danny, that you're here on a meth case and you got 15 years when you've been in prison four times. And you keep telling everybody that you were caught with this much meth. And the people cooperated against you, you should have a like, sentence. Maybe 30 years. But you got 15. You got a good story. Nobody wants to question it because you're a tough

guy. You're six foot tall. You work out all the time. You're covered in tats. You've been to state prison twice. You've been to this one guy I know. Should I say his name? Anyway. What can leave that, Blanky? Ellis Cook. Anyway. What a fucking dick.

Ding dong. So he fucking, you know, he walks around like he's a badass, right? He's a badass. Beat me to a fucking pulp, but then you don't have to be that bad of a guy, a badass. He did or he could? No, he could. I mean, he's a, he's been in state prison multiple times. Motherfuckers, you know, he's like fucking probably close to.

He's like 510, 511. I say 6 foot. He's probably 5, 10, 511. But works out all the time, white guy. Meth, a, meth deal. and he's been to state prison multiple times. So what I'm saying is he and I constantly went back and forth.

Bickering, fighting, this and that, you know, talking shit to each other. In the low? In the low. And so in the white TV room, you know, like he wants to watch this program. He all he wants to do is watch fucking fishing and that gold rush and just all fucking just horrible program. And like state troopers Alaska.

It's like, I'm following it. He's like, hillbilly. I can't watch all this fucking fishing shit. You're not even allowed to have a gun. Why are you watching this show about guns? You can't have a gun. I can't have Matt. So, I used to watch Walking Dead all the time, right?

Did you really? The only thing I ever watched. The show's so bad. I love that show. So corny. Everybody loves that show. That's like me saying that football's stupid. I don't like football, but I have to admit, clearly there's something.

I couldn't take the fucking show seriously. It's just too fucking corny. The fucking... Rick! Carl! Oh, Carl! The fucking walker! They were so...

It was so cheesy. Dude, it was so fucking lame. Anyways, we can get past our differences there. You know, it comes on like every three months, and then every three months, every three months, every three months. So, this guy comes in, and we watched it, you know, three months. And then three months later, we watched it again. Three months later, we're watching it again. So, well, the next time it comes on, there's something called broken skull,

ranch that's only going to be on basically about the same time and and so walking dead's coming up and they're making the schedule like oh walking dead's on sunday and and uh cook goes he goes bro we ain't watching that shit we're watching broken skull ranch and i go that's what stone cold right yeah yeah yeah is that's stone cold show yeah yeah yeah yeah i love how you know that and i go oh now cold's is shit i go cold rules but i ain't watching fucking broken skull ranch time i've seen it so i go No, we're not, we're not watching that. And he goes, yeah, we are. And I go, no, we're not.

And he goes, yeah, we are, bro. And I go, no, we're not because I've been here fucking seven goddamn fucker, you know, five fucking years. And you're just got here. And we've been watching this for five years. I said, we're going to keep watching it. And he goes, yeah, we'll fucking see, bro. We'll see on Sunday when that shit ain't on.

I go, okay, we'll fucking see. I said, well, be here with your fucking boots on, motherfucker. He's, I'll beat your ass. I said, maybe you'll beat my ass. Maybe it don't go your way. And he's going to fuck you, I fuck you. I get up and walk out. He's going to kill me.

So what happened? You're just hoping you scared him. Oh, this goes back and forth. There's always the fear of, it doesn't matter whether there's a fight or not. We're both going to shoe. You know what I'm saying? Right. We both lose.

Yeah, we're both losing. So next day, we have another bickering argument. Next day is more, all day. Sunday comes. It's on Sunday night. It's all day long. It's D day. I got my fucking boots on.

Like, I'm really, like, Like, everybody's ready to get your ass kicked. I'm actually not going to, not going to go. I mean, like, if he stood up and I just fucking storm off. I'm not going to get excited. But I can't let him know that. I'll play it up. I'll play it up.

Right up to the fucking hill. Right up to the fucking. I'll stand up and like, motherfucker. I'm just talking, bro. You can turn. You know, I don't care. I'll walk off. I'll just fucking with you.

So we're going back and forth back. And guys are like, bro, he ain't fucking around. He's telling everybody. And I'm telling all these guys that watch Walking Dead. We're all going in there. They're like, so you're telling me that all 50. of us go in there, you're going to turn the channel. You're fucking goddamn right I am.

They're like, God damn, Cox, you're serious. I go, bring your fucking boots, bro. I'm not doing nothing. But, so he comes to me one day. So one day, so like an hour before walking dead, we're in there. Watch it. You know, just watching TV, sitting here. We're sitting there and waiting and waiting.

He's in there, too? Oh, we're both in there. Oh, you're both in there. It's an hour away, though. Right. I'm posted up all day. Shit talking, nothing going back and forth? Nothing really at that moment.

And he says, oh, by the way. And I go to get up to go get some food to start bringing my food and shit. Popcorn. Of course. So I go to get my stuff. And he gets up too. And we're both getting up. And he goes, he said, oh, I see you.

He makes it making common. I see you got your boots on. I'm like, don't even fucking worry about my boots, bro. I'm fucking worry about my shit. Keep my name out your mouth. That's what you do. I'm doing all this stupid shit that people do. So he goes, I go to get up.

And he said, he said, Oh, I heard about you getting your little gang together all going to come in. He goes, I'll slap the fucking shit out of every motherfucker that walks in there. I say, yeah, all right. So we go to what we're all, so he gets up. We're both walking out. And as we walk out, he says to me, you think you're, he goes, oh, you think you're fucking, geez, you think I'm fucking around. And I go, listen, listen.

I go, honestly, I said, you need to stop fucking worrying. I understand. I said, stop worrying about the TV and walking dead. I said, because you know what's going to happen. No matter what happens, I'm yanking the fucking TV off the wall and we're both going to the shoe and we're both going to watch it together in the fucking shoe. Do you understand? I said, that's how fucking serious I am. I said, you need to stop worrying about the shit. Here's what you need to worry

about, Cook. Start worrying about where they're going to send you you because you better hope, because they're going to send them to another prison. We're both going to different prisons. You better fucking hope they don't send you out west where they're asking for paperwork that we're going to be. We both know you can't provide. And he goes, somebody say something? And I go, yeah, he goes, who?

And I go, you did just now. And he goes. You had the angle on him. And he goes, I said, you should have a 25-year minimum mandatory. You got less than 15. Oh, you do that. And he looked at me, and he goes,

and you know I'm just fucking around about that shit. You can watch that shit, bro. I mean, I'm good with you. You know, I'm just playing, man. I'm just playing. I said, I know you're playing. I was playing too, man. I'm just so good, we're good, we're good. He goes, yeah, we're good.

We're good, he said, we're good, though? I go, yeah, we're good. And he goes, okay. He fucking goes in, gets his chair, brings his chair out, fucking everything. We go in, we watch Walking Dead, it was like, I can't believe you, fucking. And I'm like, holy shit, totally fucking bluffed his ass. I mean, he would have beaten me to a pulp. Oh, my God. I mean, I, and I always felt like something was wrong.

He always said 15 years, but it's like, you know, It just doesn't make sense the amount of fucking, the amount of meth you got caught with and you've been in prison. You're not getting 15 years. You got caught with a gun and meth, and you've been to state prison twice. You're kidding. You probably should have deserved life.

Yeah. Maybe 25 or 30. Maybe 30. I'm going to give you 25. Not 15. No way you got 15. Later he comes back and he talks to me. He's like, look, you know, the way I got the 15 was it's not what you think.

I don't care of everything. You try to explain his way out. Yeah, he's trying to tell me, like, he like, buried, Some guns. They always used that. Like, I knew someday I'd get caught, so I buried some guns. They gave it up. Then I gave it.

I said, look, I know where there's a bunch of guns. And I gave them these guns. I didn't give nobody. Stop it. Stop it. You ain't do that. That's not what happened. No stone cold today, brother.

You can watch Monday Night Raw, bitch. You'll be lucky to get Monday Night Raw tomorrow. I mean, we were best buddies after that. Really? He was always looking out for them. Wow. Hey, buddy. He wouldn't you spill the beans after that.

you're doing god damn dude but yeah that was uh what a fucking great story that is i always thought that was funny holy shit we thought that was funny i was thinking about there was another thing that was what a fucking crazy story oh fucking ellis cook there's another thing that's ellis ellis is he's still in there obviously yeah bro he's he got chipped came back i mean he's always in trouble always in trouble He was trying to get it so that like none of the sex offenders could go in the TV room. They, I mean, he got in trouble and they finally shipped him. I mean, because it's just, he's just a fucking mania. He's trying to be, he's trying so hard to play a thug in an area, in a prison, you don't need to play a thug.

You need to kick back and just relax. Right. Stop asking for people's paperwork. Right. It's not that important. Right. And even if you guys all grouped together, there's maybe 30 of you on the compound that didn't cooperate. Right? What are you going to do?

You'd get slaughtered if everybody decided to do something for real. Right. And have a right. So what are you, you're clicking up with all the solid guys. Cut the shit. Solid guys are all wish they had cooperated at this point. They all got 25 years.

They're like, I made a mistake. Yeah. So the other thing that I think that I always think is funny. The problem is a lot of this shit that's funny probably isn't funny because out here things are so vastly different. Yeah. And your mindset's different.

But what is funny. This might be funny is that is that after Trump won, right? Outside my cell one day, there were a bunch of group of Puerto Rican guys at 11 o'clock at night talking. They're always yelling and screaming in Spanish. It's just like, you know, it's just, it's rude.

And you know, what are you going to say? You can't say anything. And then they say something back next to you know, you're fucking screaming. And there's 150 guys trying to. to sleep. People are screaming at you. What are you going to do? You're not going to get into a fight with six Puerto Ricans

six gang members sitting outside your unit. So you just sit there and you lay there and you just take it. I remember one night I was sitting there. I was like, I wish these motherfuckers were all just go back to the island. I wish I could just send them all back to the island. I went, I can't send them back to the island,

but I could, Trump could send him back to the island. Oh my God. I went, what could I do? I went, oh shit. So we used to get a newsletter. You can sign up to get a newsletter on the CoreLink system, the email system. And like this lawyers are different people, like Fedchure. And so they have these different programs, not program, but these different organizations.

One of the organizations is a guy named Jeremy Gordon, and he's a lawyer. And every two weeks or something, he sends a newsletter. And in his newsletter, he always has like little articles that he's found about, some prison doing this or some prison doing that. So he sends these things with little tiny things about prison reform and just stupid shit. Newsletters. Newsletters and how this guy got relief. And he's doing this.

And he just found out this little article was in the New York Times and whatever. And people get him, they print it out and they walk around. They read them and stuff. Oh, hey, do you hear that they're putting a bill into Congress to try and do this and trying so-and-so sponsoring it and whatever? So periodically it comes out. not everybody gets it. Not everybody subscribes to it. So I go and I go to the library and I write an article.

But you know Jeff Sessions is, right? Jeff Sessions is like, Jeff Sessions is like he was like the attorney general at the time. So Trump had made him attorney. He was a really old guy, right? Yeah. He was attorney general and Trump was signing like these executive orders left and right. Yeah. And everybody's freaking out.

Which all the presidents do when they get in. They start just cutting stuff, you know. They always have a slew of them initially. So I go and I write an article that Trump, that because Puerto Rico was so far in debt, Trump was, it was big in the news at that moment. I write this article with quotes from Jeff Sessions in it, quotes from Trump, talking about how Puerto Rico is super in debt, and that basically Trump signed into law, he repealed or he altered a portion of the 1917 law that made or rule or act that made Puerto Rico a territory.

Literally, I had to read up on it. Like I went and I looked in the, you know what our internet is? It's the Britannica. So I would break open the Britannica and I read all about how we, the United States conscripted a bunch of, of Puerto Rican citizens into the military and the deal was we're going to make you a territory and we're going to conscript like 50,000 Puerto Ricans into the into the U.S. military because we were sending troops in World War I, we were sending troops over to help fight the war. Yeah. A bunch of them were Puerto Ricans. We didn't have enough troops.

Well, we can go to Puerto Rico. We'll just make you a territory. And our deal is we make you a territory, but you need 50,000 troops. They said, okay, we'll do it. So I say in the whole article that I wrote that Trump, that part of it was that you were citizens. However, the Constitution says that you can alter citizenship if they have felonies, convictions. Right. Right. Well, anyone with a felony, Trump was going to have sent back to Puerto Rico.

the moment you sent you they were rounding them all up if you have a felony they're rounding you up and sending you and every inmate currently in federal prison as soon as you leave you would be sent back to Puerto Rico right so I take that I paste it into a Jeremy McGuire a Jeremy Gordon letter or or the newsletter right right I changed the date I changed the name of the inmate that it was sent to because everything you print out has the name of an inmate I change all of it I go and I make like 20 copies. And it's not just, it's like, the article is like a page at a half. Then there's other stuff before it and that. I mean, I embed the whole thing. It's a normal one. So I get it and I print it out.

I print a bunch of them out and I go and I pass out a few of them. And I put one on the bulletin board. And I kick back and, oh, and then I walk around with like a copy and I go to a couple of poor Rican guys and I go, did you guys see this? Can they do this?

What do you mean? What does I go? I don't know, bro. There's something about Puerto Rico? What is it? I don't read that. What does it say? The guy goes, hold on, gosh. Let me. He starts reading it, and he's like... He loses it. They can't do this, man. They can't do this. That's bullshit. They can't, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh. They get nuts.

He was, can I have this? I'm like, uh, yeah, I'll print out another one. It's cool. He takes it. He goes and copies it. Next thing you know, it's got... Next thing you know, listen, the next day, when I come back from the library, there's like 10 of them in a fucking huddle passing out reading guys fucking reading it and they are just flipping the fuck out I got a friend name

a generic name Yulele ever Juan Sanchez is that the most generic fucking Spanish name that's the most generic fucking Puerto Rican name ever No he's he's actually from Honduras or something But yeah oh really? Spanish name yeah Juan Sanchez So Juan comes to me one day and he goes

goes, hey, gosh, do you hear about this fucking thing? This letter, or this article that was in the New York Times. I go, no, what was it? He starts telling me about it. And I go, and I start kind of laughing. He goes, oh, man, people are freaking the fuck out. And I started laughing. I'm like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

And he goes, what's so funny? I go, oh, God, I said, because I get into a lot of trouble. Right. The COs saw that. They'd be fucking furious. They'd throw me. They'd be like, shit me, who knows. Right.

But I'm having such a good time listening to people flip out. All the Puerto Ricans are in a fucking frenzy so he's telling me how they're going nuts. He's like, I don't think they can do them. And these guys are flipping out. The Puerto Ricans, they're all going to their case managers and shit. Talking to the, you know, I'm being released. Where am I going to get released?

I'm supposed to go to halfway house. What's going on? And freaking out, they're all the fucking counselors are looking shit up. The whole prison's going nuts. I start laughing. I'm going to tell you something, bro. But I swear to God, I said, you can't tell. Don't tell your friend because he'll tell somebody.

And they'll, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm good. I'm good, good. And I tell him what happens. He goes, he goes, he. He's like, you tell him you made it up. I tell him I made it up. He goes, that's fucking brilliant. That's brilliant.

He was, how many more copies can you make? You understand, if you went to the copy machine for the next fucking five, six days, they were, the Puerto Ricans were there making five copies, ten copies. They had a guy going to a unicorn make fucking 100 copies, and they were everywhere. I'm standing in a line in a chow hall, every line, listening to the white guys talk about. Fuck them. I hope they all fucking go back. Oh, my God.

And the fucking Puerto Ricans are all screaming. and how they just were in an absolute frenzy. Fake news. It was hilarious. Guys, Juan had, he said, here's what's really funny.

And I go what? He goes, you wonder what's really fucked up? He said, that's the real fake news. He goes, I've had 40 Puerto Rican guys pull me aside and say,

listen to me, I cooperated. I can't go back to Puerto Rico. They'll kill me. And Wans goes, he goes, you could file for, you could file for,

file for a, what do they call it when you, it's not extra, it's, uh, um, when you're like a, you're like a communist and you come to the United States and you file for asylum. Asylum. He goes, I can't believe I couldn't remember. He goes, you could file for asylum. And he goes, I'm telling people they can file for asylum. And I'm like, laugh. And I go, you need to be charging for that shit.

Tell them you called your lawyer. Your lawyer will charge $1,500. But you can get the paperwork and do it for $100 in commissary. He goes, man, he said, I couldn't fit all the commissary in my locker. if I started. Oh, my God. It took about a week, week and a half before

they'd all called their families so much, and their families had all searched the internet, and it finally filtered in that, look, something's wrong. We can't find this on the internet. It's not true. And they don't figure out it to you? No, no, nobody ever figured out.

It was me. Oh, I didn't say anything. I was really nervous. Like Pete found out. Pete, I told Pete eventually, because Pete comes to me, and Pete's like, man, these guys are going fucking nuts, bro.

Have you heard about it? this he goes i keep telling him that it's not probably he says it would take a decade to get that through he's i don't think it would ever go through so he's right looking at it from a from a legal standpoint yeah he's like i can't i mean he says he's probably going to go in front of the supreme court there's no way the supreme court's going to allow and i'm sitting there going i'm like i'm like pete listen i got to tell you something he goes why i go i tell him he goes that's not funny man these guys are flipping out they're losing it yeah he is they're you know you understand he said they're all concerned because they cooperated and i go oh

i know i'm sorry i was having a bad night I thought, I was going to help it, P? There was like fucking 10 of them, and there were five guys or six guys or 10 guys in front of my unit. He's upset. And he's like, what are you doing? This is foolishness.

You're causing panic. You're going to go to the shoe. You're going to get shipped. And I'm like, no, I'm not. It's like, you and Sanchez knows. That's it. He's like, Jesus Christ, what are you doing? That's hilarious, dude.

Lucky Sanchez ain't saying nothing. No, Sanchez. He's got, he ended up getting shit. He has. He has. That's like another. You know, I told you, like, I got all these little stories that are out there.

Yeah. He should be getting out of prison soon here. Oh, yeah? Yeah. He's got an amazing story. He's laundering money for the for the

Venezuela government who's in doing drugs. I mean, who's, they're laundering drug money. He's laundering drug money for them. He gets caught. Actually, at one point,

he lost a bunch of their money. So he loses like half a million or a million, something ridiculous. He flies over there to meet with them. These are people in the government. To meet with them, to explain to them, listen to me,

I'm sorry, here's what happened. I fucked up. I lost the money. Like he's investing it in something. And he lost it, and I'm sorry. What can we do to get the money back? So he's trying to talk to them. They basically kidnap him. They keep him in like a motel room for like a week. He sneaks

out, gets to the airport, and flies back to the United States. The story, is rip. When he tells it, it's riveting because literally he gets to, like the guy's holding him, they bring him a couple of prostitutes in. And so they're all having sex with prostitutes. They get drunk and fall asleep. He gets on one of the guy's computers, sends an email to his, to his girlfriend, tells his girlfriend, I am going to the airport. You have to have me on the next flight. You have to pay for the flight and get me out. He said, you've got to pay for. When I get there, it has to be paid for.

I have no money. You have to pay for it. He goes, keep money. He says, it's like fucking one o'clock or something in the morning. He says, and I'm literally telling him,

I'm going to try and sneak out. You have to have a ticket waiting for me. He goes, I don't get a response. I don't have a chance to get a response email. You just go. I just go. He says, I sneak out. I get into a fucking cab.

I go. He said, when he's leaving, one of the prostitutes laying on the bed, she watches him creeping out. He goes to close the door, and he sees her, and she's staring right at him. And she goes, go, go. Like go, go.

She knows something's up. He sneaks out, closes the door, goes there. He said, I get up to the counter and I go, my name's so-and-so, such and such, they're like. Hoping there's a flight for him. Yeah, she goes, okay, you've got a ticket. Hold on. Print it out. Gets on the thing.

No. Calls the girlfriend from the air phone. Like, calls the girlfriend, and he's like, listen. We're getting on a flight. I'm on the plane. He's like, I don't know if it's going to make it out of airspace. These guys wake up. It's the government.

That will make phone call. They can turn your loud. Oh, yeah, it's on the plane right around. So he's like, I don't know. He said, man, he said, look, when they said they had left, like, they were leaving the airspace and they were here in international waters or whatever, he said, man, I was sweating bullets. He's got, he's got this amazing. He's got, that's not the only thing. He's got, like, three other parts of that story that are just all international shit.

Like, literally the CIA end up showing up. They come in as FBI. Yeah. He's been interviewed by the FBI. Then two days later, two more FBI show up. They go, hey, so-and-so, FBI, we need to ask you some questions. He goes, they asked me a whole other series of questions that are similar to the other questions. He goes, but they know other stuff, and they're asking me about other people.

He goes, I didn't realize that the people I was dealing with were so important. Turns out, then his lawyer comes in and he goes, and he tells him about the other guys that came, the other FBI agents that came in. Then the lawyer calls the FBI, and the FBI goes, did he see badges? He goes, they go, they weren't FBI. And his lawyer says, he goes, that's fucking CIA. He goes, are you serious? He was, did you see badges? He goes, no, but I didn't ask for badges.

They got into prison. Not that they couldn't have provided FBI badges, but he's like, holy shit, because they're asking about, he's dealing with guys that are like generals, guys that are like top dog. If I told you his whole story, you would be so, it is so hilarious. You know how he raised money? He raised like $40,000 for his lawyer. How? Facebook. Go fund me.

Yeah. He goes on Facebook. Well, I think it's just a, I think the way he explained it, I didn't know much. Oh, my God. He literally, he was, he had been locked up for like six months. They're telling him he's getting like 30 years. He contacts his girlfriend. He says, look, and she tells him all the time, look, people are asking where you are.

Because he's such a nice guy, man. He's really a great guy. And like, people were going crazy. They're asking me where I am. What do I tell him? What do I tell him? And she's like, some people know that you're in jail. What do I tell him?

He goes, I need you to send me, he says, I need you to send out this right now because I met this lawyer. He can help me. He wants $40,000. I don't have it. He goes, so I need you to send this out. He said, and he tells him everybody, look, I've been doing this and laundering money, doing this. Some of you guys know me. He says, they've taken all of my money.

They've taken all my properties. They've taken everything I have. He goes, and now they're going to take the only thing that I was holding on to, which was my pride. I need $40,000 to get a lawyer to help me get out so that I don't get a 30 year sentence. I don't care. If you can send me $5,000, send it. If you can send me $1,000, send it.

I'm begging you to send me anything you can to help me get this lawyer. And he leads the lawyer's address and number and everything. He said about $20,000 to $30,000 showed up at the lawyer's office. or the guys are doing fundraisings. People are going through and telling other co-workers about him and what an amazing person is, people are giving him $20, $50, $40. The lawyer finally comes back and says,

listen, open a PayPal account or something is I'm getting checks in for $15. I'm getting checks in for $7. I'm getting checks in for $50, $1, $12. Right. He goes, you got to open a PayPal. It's more work. It's more work to cash all these checks.

It costs too much cash in checks. He raised the, it's like 40 or 40. He raised a $40 or $45,000. Wow. In about a month and a half. Amazing. Fucking amazing. The girlfriend still comes to see him.

Who? I'm telling you right now, no girlfriend or wife hangs out with you for when you get like 15 years. And he got like 15 years. He got it cut. And he did like six or seven years probably. He's getting out now. He's probably six or seven years.

I'll bet he ends up doing. She was down the whole. time coming to see him. Really? Listen, you're not only is she an amazing person to be that dedicated to him, but you have

to be a phenomenal person. And the guy is, he is one of the best guys I've ever met. Maybe it's maybe it's because he's a con man, but you immediately like him. He's just super, everybody loves one.

Really? Yeah. And he's the thing, born and fucking... Coleman, right? Well, he was. he got moved to an ice facility, right? To, you know, that's the immigration engine. Oh. Those facilities are horrible. He said like the first or second day was there.

Some guard got thrown over like a balcony, was thrown off the balcony. I mean, these guys are stabbing each other. They're attacking the guards. They're just, it's vicious. And he's in there, a nonviolent guy who owned a couple of businesses. And he's like, oh, hi. Yeah, he's, so, but he should be getting out soon. Are you still in contact with him?

No, but I know a girl that knows him. Okay. And she's actually the girl. Remember I say my assistant? Yeah. She was the girl that was helping me on the street, like do research. Right, got it. Right.

She's one of them. Okay. Through him. So I don't talk to him because, first of all, they don't have. You can't talk to him, but. Well, it's not that, I mean, it is that I can't, but also I, the only way to contact him is through, they don't have the correling system there. So I would have to write a letter and, you know, I'm a lazy shit. Yeah, got it.

I'm a bad friend. I think we've established that. You're not as good of a guy as he is. Yes, yes. He's the kind of guy that, yeah, he's a much better person. Right. And she's told me multiple times because I call her and say, hey, how's he doing this and that? She's like, you know, you could write him a letter.

And I'm like, yeah, I know. She goes, you know what, Matt, you could even write an email and send me and I could mail it to him. And I'm like, okay, I know I'm a shit. That's so much work. I know I'm a shit, okay. Yeah, but people in there like that, man. You know that passes the time for him. What are you doing?

What are you doing? Right, it does, though. You're you guilty, you're trying to guilt you're saying, right? I mean, I'll write him a letter. Yeah, you should. I will write him a letter. I love one. Everybody loves one.

I want to get Juan on the letter, man. I'm going to get Juan on the podcast. Oh, listen. If Juan told you a story and he's a great story. Is he? Is he a good talker? Oh, he's a con man. Of course he is.

Of course he is. Yeah. Not just that. I mean, extremely charismatic. And he's got the whole Latin thing going on. Oh, yeah. That's beautiful. Women love him.

Yeah. Funny, charismatic, charming. Got a little bit of an accent. Yeah. You know, he's got a big fucking chain. You know, who comes to see their boyfriend? They're not even married. I mean, guys that are married, their wives aren't coming.

Unless you're filthy, rich, you're what you're done. Yeah. That makes me think there's something in it for. What's she sticking around for really? Charm. There's something. No, ain't nobody's sticking around

for charm for 15 years. No fucking way. No, it's not 15 years. No woman, that's for sure. He said six or seven, right? Yeah, it's probably six or seven. Because you got to sit around for two years. Not for you, but maybe for one.

Not for nobody with charm. To me, that's what I keep saying. She's got a great personality. Please, you're fucking blind as fuck. No, I don't know what it is. I don't know. She's a good person. No way.

He's also spinning her, too, that she's thinking he's getting out any time because he hadn't got his sentence. He's like, I'm waiting. They're doing it. He's thinking he's going to walk out of jail. He didn't walk out. He didn't walk out.

But he didn't walk out. He didn't get as much as he thought. So he should be walking out in any day. See, I got a fucking call. What's her name? That was a wonderful. That was a wonderful podcast. Let's wrap this shit up and go eat.

It's 11 o'clock. The only place open is Taco Bell, so I hope you don't mind Taco Bell. You know, do they have a... They don't have a waffle. Oh, you want to go to Waffle House? I love Waffle House. I love a greasyy spoon. Hell yeah.

We're going to Waffle House. Bacon. I'm glad you said that. I forgot about Wafel House. I've been there a while. I love Waffle House. Hell yeah. Well, thanks for joining us

on another great podcast. Thanks, Matt. This one? Yeah, fuck yeah, this one, not the last one. Listen, you're so funny. Hey, by the way, subscribe to Matt. Hey, he's not doing this for free, right? We got to plug.

We're trying to fucking get Matt monetized on YouTube, and he needs, how many hours do you need? Four thousand watch hours. 400 and something right now. Go fucking spend the rest of your day watching his videos on YouTube because he won't get fucking monetized until he gets 4,000 watch hours. He's already got enough subscribers.

He's already got 1,000 subscribers. I got 2,000 now. And here's the thing too. What's your YouTube channel called? Oh, it's called Inside True Crime. So you can't search Matthew Cox. You got to search Inside True Crime. That's how you get it to rank number one.

It's got my picture of like, you know. Yeah, yeah, you got that fucking. But you know what's so funny is. Swave picture on that. Yeah. I'm putting two more, in the next week or so I should have two more podcasts. put on, two more of the... Audio books.

Yeah, yeah. I call them a book because they're not... They're only like an hour. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I got two more of those. Frank Amadeo's is on there now. Yep. I got like three or four of them on there right now.

Yep. I got nine days in the Congo, which everybody was fucking going nuts over. Were they? Man, it's already got like five, six hundred subscribers. It's been up like a day or two. Wow. They're loving the fucking... Well, you get to see Frank.

You get to see them in action. Yeah. But yeah, I'm going to have two or three. So really in the next fucking two weeks, I should have another, well, probably I have another two or three of those on. So I'm getting them all done. It's going to be, it's good. It's good stuff.

Go check out Matt's YouTube channel. Subscribe to that shit. Watch it for, watch it for hours. I want more cocks. No homong. I want more cocks in my life. Sick.