Danny Jones Podcast - #321 - Steve-O on God, Near Death Experiences & Why He's Going to Hell

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Steve-O is a stunt performer, comedian, actor, & podcaster best known as the star of Jackass and Wildboyz. He is currently on his "Crash & Burn" comedy tour. See tour dates at https://steveo.com SPONSORS https://square.com/go/danny - Get $200 off Square hardware. https://irestore.com/danny - Use code DANNY & unlock HUGE savings on the iRestore Elite. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS https://steveo.com @steveotelevision @steveo FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Steve-O's face tattoo from Post Malone 04:09 - Sobriety journey 14:03 - America's gambling crisis 16:59 - Steve-O's relationship with his dad 25:27 - The problem with golf 29:35 - Death & consciousness 43:49 - God & the big bang 54:33 - Religion 1:12:09 - Bam Margera 1:23:24 - Filming the Jackass movies 1:32:05 - Manny Puig & Jackass shark stunts 1:45:53 - SeaWorld stunts 1:54:37 - Why Steve-O got a vasectomy 2:04:57 - Fall of the American empire Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Kayak, got that right. The eyebrow tattoo. Yeah. Let's start there. That's one that's out there. The post Malone tattooed a dick on your face. That was your 50th birthday present? Is that right?

Pretty much. Yeah. Pretty much. It was, it happened specifically the day after I turned 50. Wow. Yeah. It's pretty legendary. Did you tattoo him back?

We had actually exchanged tattoos prior to that. There's the ghost with the boner that I get. Yeah, I gave him and he gave me. Yeah. So that was fun. Oh, my God. We had Novak on here a couple. The last time Shane, well, also, by the way, this hat rack is back on the podcast.

The last time he was here, were you here for Novak? Yeah. Last time you were here for Brandon Novak. Me and him grew up watching CKY and Jackass and Wild Boys and all that stuff. So every time, like, one of you guys come in, it's like a celebrity event for us. I love it, man. How old are you guys? 37.

37. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. So it was like all through middle school growing up. Tattoos. What was the one? He had a tattoo some guy like tattooed on his face or something when he was sleeping at Bam's house and then tattooed around the stain.

Yeah, he had the tattooer was like on his arm or something and then tattooed around it. That was pretty next level. Yeah. It's old Novak versus new Novak is a stark contrast. Yeah. No, no. No. No.

Yeah. It's real, dude. Yeah. It's wild to see how far you guys. have come for sure. I feel like you and Novak were definitely more of the top tier wilder ones out of the group. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy to see

you guys make like full turnarounds and just and even still be here, right? I mean, no doubt. Like 100%. And the fact that you're like so together too, like you got it together. And like you look like you're pretty fucking healthy. I take reasonably good care

of myself. I say reasonably like man I was on it with the fitness and the diet and everything and like I've admittedly kind of falling off with my diet and my exercise to some extent but my baseline isn't terrible yeah you were saying you're doing like sauna and cold plunge and stuff I got it at my house and I'm all about it yeah Danny has one we just did it before we came here oh yeah sauna and cold plunge yeah yeah yeah I try to do it before a lot of podcasts because it just like wakes you up you know It gets the body moving. So what are the temperatures he do?

Cold plunges at 45. Okay. But I run the jets in it. So it feels like it's really like 30. It feels way colder. So when you run the bubbles in it, it makes it 10 times more unbearable. Because when you get in at first normally, it hurts for the first minute. And then after that, it's pretty easy.

But when you run the bubbles, it just sucks the whole time. Yeah. It's crazy. Like 50 to 45. That's where. Once you're like 45, you might as well just say, go lower almost. Like, it gets so nuts. But, um, you know, as a sober guy, I, uh, really like get a kick out of the way that coming from the super hot going into the super cold and then coming out,

like you, you get an actual butt. Oh, for sure. Yeah. I call it a free lapse. It's like, you know, it's not funny. And it's such a big, fun thing with my sober buddies, you know, we, we get together and and you know like it's just so and it's so funny it's like you know I got other people saying yeah no wonder you'd love to do that with your sober buddy yeah yeah but yeah no I really do enjoy that and I think that you sleep really well after yeah the first time I ever did the cold plunge I felt like I just did cocaine afterwards like that that's how you euphoric it it it fell at first. I think that's sort of your heart's beaten all fast. You don't get triggered or anything by like drugs and alcohol. I mean, I'm pretty diligent about, you know, staying active in the recovery of community. So how long have you been sober? 17 years. I was betting him before we came here. I'm like, I think it was 10 years. He goes, I'm taking the under on that. There's no way to 10. Oh, yeah. Wow. Over seven. Over 10. Yeah. It's not crazy. I got sober March 10th of 2008.

Holy shit Yeah You know I was a That's amazing Dude I mean I couldn't be more grateful man It's like

I mean Without being sober I'd be so screwed Yeah So like being in a comedy club Seeing people just like Slamming beers And drinking liquor doesn't bother you

I mean the way that we work It's like You ask yourself Do you have a legitimate Reason For putting yourself In an environment Where people are drinking

Like The different for me is when it comes to smoking pot. Like, because, like, if we're sitting here and you're, like, smoking pot, then I've got secondhand smoke, like, entering my lungs. And, like, to me, that is, like, a super bummer. And then on top of that, like, I love the way of marijuana smells.

You know, like, I don't want to be smelling it. Right. And I don't want it entering my body. That's why there was such the controversy, you know, like the headlines when I said that, you know, I was just confused and kind of offended when Bill Maher asked me to be going on his podcast, but I knew that like he's a prolific pothead. And I was like, hey, you know, could you not smoke pot for me? And he was like, oh, no, that's what I do. That's a deal breaker. Really?

I just thought that's weird because like. After you had already gotten there? No, no, no, no. This was in advance. So no big deal. But it's like Mike Tyson's podcast is called hotboxing. Mike Tyson is like a prolific pothead. Like big time.

Be real. You don't get more like Mount Rushmore of potheads, you know, than like be real. And both Be Real and Mike Tyson, like, we're okay with making it an hour without smoking pot like because I don't want to breathe it into my lungs right you know and it's crazy how that divided the internet like so many people were like oh dude stevo like you know like kind of like like what you imagined kirk hammett might be thinking yeah you know i just yeah and i don't want to belabor that point or or drag bill marr and through the mud anymore that's a weird thing i just use that an example because like like what's in your cup is not entering my body right right

Now, there's another sort of level to it where, like, if you're sitting there snorting lines of cocaine, then, you know, that's not going to be entering my body. But I don't need to be around that because there's not really, you know, casual, like, you know, social cooking, you know. Like, it's totally reasonable for people to be drinking in a way that's not like, you know. in your face about it. And it's not about in your face, but there's, it's reasonable for people to be drinking in a moderate, healthy, like, not destructive and, you know, but like that just doesn't really apply to cocaine. Right.

Somebody who's on cocaine, your personality doesn't really jive with somebody who's not doing cocaine. You're typically, both people have to be doing cocaine to be on like the same level. Right. It just, I think that, so I just don't need to be around that necessarily. And for that matter, if you were sitting there getting, like knocking back like a dozen shots in a row and slobbering drunk. I wouldn't want to be around that either.

Right. Yeah, of course. But, uh, it's all about moderation. Right. And that's one thing that I'm not capable of. You're not. Yeah, I resign myself to that. I'm not a moderate guy.

It's all or nothing. Yeah, no, that's the, that's the crazy thing about, you know, some people can be, can do stuff and, like, dabble in certain things, whether it be drugs or gambling or, or whatever the it is. and some people, like, whether it be genetic or whether it be just like the way they were raised, like their early life, they can't manage it, you know? How do you feel about the way that gambling is just like

such a gnarly epidemic at this point? I fucking love gambling, dude. I love sports betting the best because it makes it so much more fun. When you watch the games or the fights and you actually like have a bet or like a parlay, you're so much more locked in, dude. I don't think it's,

I don't think gambling is a problem. I think it's the people that are the problem. It's the same thing with driving, right? Like, driving kills a ton of people when they drink and mix drugs with it. You do it the wrong way, or you can't manage it. Or like guns, right? If you can't, you don't know how to use a gun or know about gun safety, right? You shouldn't be using a gun.

Right, okay. It's like you got to gamble in moderation. You got to be able to control yourself, just like with using drugs. If you want to do coke every once in a while, God, you, but you shouldn't be doing it every single day before and after work. I don't know that anybody can do Coke whatsoever. I mean, maybe I suppose they can. I've heard stories about people that, yeah, I mean, I don't know.

I know a lot of people. I know a lot of people who can do Coke and manage themselves and like live very successful lives, like functioning on it. Right, right, right. I think that's very interesting because I got really, really, um, been out of shape at one point. I was like, you know, the last year, 2024 was like a pretty difficult year for me, like, in general. And I was like, all right, you know, coming into this year, I remember thinking like, okay, you know what, like, I got to like just double down on, you know, recovery, just being a good guy.

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And I do still now. it was a great interaction then you know cut to like a week later two weeks later whatever it was and I was walking with my dog through a state park and it occurred to me that as the podcast had just gone live that I had the audacity to talk about how important I felt my relationship with God was and cut from that conversation to a promotion for gambling you know i just thought like oh my god like i just i i i was like it just it just it just hit me like a like just like a ton of bricks i was like oh my god i was like i i felt like i don't have to look at the comment section to know like just people like you know like hypocrite like oh my god

yeah like wait you know and um and uh and uh that's when like negative feedback like really affects me is when I agree with it you know and so like I didn't like I didn't have to look and I just knew that I that and I was just like man I just can't do that anymore you know I don't like gambling's the devil though well I mean if you look at like the the the uh the like how much money is generated by it like um you know like how much they pay podcasters to to promote gambling how much like everywhere like all of the the this money's coming from somewhere. It's like kind of like looking at Las Vegas,

like each new casino is like a bigger and more extravagant, like a billion, you know, it's like, it's pretty self-evident to look at Las Vegas that, that what's building all of these amazing huge, not winners. Yeah,

like, right. And so, I don't know. I think that, uh, that the statistics on, um, on gambling are really pretty gnarly and,

and it's just so in your face all the time. And whatever. You know, like, I agree because exactly what I said about your dinner with Kirk Hammett could totally apply here. It's like, hey, you know, like, it's totally reasonable for people to gamble in a moderate way. Like, I just like, it just, I mean, and you got to follow your gut is what it is, you know? Like, and my gut told me, man, I can't mess with that anymore. So I'm just not. It's a slippery slope.

Yeah. I've not promoted gambling since. Oh, really? Yeah. My, what's this? Oh, we've got. What do you got here? Oh, we got statistics on gambling.

US was estimated $1.9 billion in total gambling advertising in what year? 2023. That's a decent amount of money. There's no regulation on it, dude. I mean, it's pretty gnarly. And a lot of, I think that they break it down to like per household, like how much money is being lost. You know, like, and I saw some crazy statistics. And I was like, man, it's pretty bad.

I don't like personally I was just decided I don't want to be a part of that yeah no and and it's clear how I got into it you know like I'm a super rabid UFC fan I know like I love watching the fight so when it first came up it was like oh um you know like this gambling company wants you to like make your picks and I was like oh dude like okay man like we got this fight coming up to here and I think this is going to And so I just let my passion as a UFC fan just like go right into the... Yeah. I don't need to belabor that too much.

And certainly I'm not the arbiter of anybody else's decisions, you know? Yeah. I just thought that was interesting. Yeah, I mean, to your point, it is it's like everywhere now. It's like in your face everywhere. And it's definitely different than any time in the past. It's just totally normalized. And I enjoy doing it too.

But, yeah, I mean, it's like you've got to be skeptical of why is it so in your face all the time. It's definitely not good for you. Yeah, it's predatory because it's, I mean, it's the same thing that like the cigarette industry used to do before they got regulated. My dad was a big tobacco CEO. He was? Yeah. And then I thought he worked for Pepsi or something. He did.

Oh, okay, both. Yeah, he worked for Pepsi. Then he started working for R.J. Reynolds' tobacco. and during the 1980s it became like really like beyond conclusive that cigarettes caused cancer and killed people and stuff. And so the tobacco companies were kind of scrambling to buy food companies. Right. You know, kind of like hedging like this other business going down. Like food's always going to be okay.

So at the time, like the biggest corporate merger. or takeover like in like the history of the world was the the the merging of R.J.R. tobacco with Nabisco. It became RJR. Nabisco and my dad had an aberrationally strong year that year. He became like a big old important corporate executive for Nabisco. What year was this? This was 1980s. 1983 going into 1984. Oh, wow. My dad ended up being, like, the president of Nabisco International.

Holy shit. Yeah, I think that's right. So, yeah, in retrospect, my dad sold, you know, soda, cigarettes, and cookies. So he's a mass murderer. Oh, God. That's fucking hilarious. Oh, God. It's the trifecta, dude.

Yeah. Who would have known? It's funny, man. God, dude. My dad's, like, super, like, doom and gloom for, like, the longest time he's been talking about, like, the... Is he still alive? Yeah. Oh, wow.

Holy shit. You still have a relationship with him? Super close. Really? Oh, yeah, big time. And he lives in Florida, so I was just with him. No shit, dude. Yeah, yeah.

I fucking love my dad. He's the greatest. Has he always been a big support. of everything you've been doing? No. Like, when, you know,

like when I went to the university in Miami and like super, like, flunked out and, you know, I was homeless, like, and then I ended up going to clown college. Like, you know, he couldn't really, yeah,

he couldn't really get super on board with, my son's going to clown college. That's here in Florida too, right? Yeah, it was in Sarasota. Sarasota, yeah. Was being the operative word. They closed it down after my class. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, the final class was in 1997. But it was after clown college. After a clown college, and to my dad's credit, before I had earned any kind of money, like being a stunt dude or whatever, or even a clown, for that matter, my dad initiated a conversation with me. He said,

that he felt he had done a disservice to me by not supporting me in this career path that I had chosen that, you know, but I'm clearly, he said it's clearly you're committed to this. And so, like, I just want you to be happy. I want you to be the best. I want you to know that I support you. And, like, that conversation really put wind in my sales.

And I remember, like, at the time, there was this show on TV called Real TV. And the commercials said, like, Do you have any footage that we might want to see, like this caught on, you know, camera? Like, if you have any footage you think we might want to see, then call this number and send it in. So I called the number and I said, I don't have footage you might want to see. I have footage you need really badly. And they got back to me.

They were like, okay, we like the footage of you setting yourself on fire and doing the simultaneous fire breathing front flip off the roof of the three-story building, which is what it was. Like, I don't know how they described it. But they said they wanted to pay me $500 for exclusive rights to this video. And I was like, what's exclusive mean? I never heard of that. And they said that that means that we own it, that you don't own it anymore, you know? Like, and I was like, oh, that kind of sounds like that sucks, you know?

Like, and so I called it my dad. like kind of freaking like dad dad and and i'll never forget my dad was like hey calm down this is easy it's it's a no-brainer like it sounds like exclusivity is a deal breaker for you so tell them that that you want it to be non-exclusive meaning that they have the rights to use it but you still own it and tell them that they need to give you a thousand bucks for non-exclusive and so i just said that and they gave it to me it worked yeah so from From that point, my dad was in my corner. You know, like...

Yeah. Super cool. Yeah. Like, he was... Greasing the business wheels. Yeah. He's looking out for you. He wasn't, like, thrilled about me, like, risking my life and, and, you know, like,

in the nature of what I did, but he accepted it, and he got behind me on the business side of it. That's incredible, dude. Yeah. So what initially, like, kind of, you know... put us apart, it ultimately brought us together. Wow. Yeah. Super cool.

That is really cool. Yeah, and like super together. So my dad was even, my dad retired when he was, I don't know, maybe 50. So I'm at the age right now when my dad retired. And at this point, my dad's on my payroll. Really? Yeah, it's fit. He probably didn't see that coming.

Dude, CEO and Nabisco, I pictured you'd be living in like a waterfront mansion and like Naples or something. I got, he's got some water. Yeah. I mean, not Naples. He's in,

he's in South Florida over on like the West Palm side. Oh, okay. So an even bigger. Yeah. I mean, it's not,

it's not crazy. Like, it's not crazy. He's modest. He's been retired for a long time. Like he, I think, you know,

as if he's comfortable, you know, lives, you know, reasonably modestly, but very, very comfortably. Yeah.

And yeah, he's awesome, man. Paul Beach ain't cheap, dude. Is you over there playing golf? He plays golf twice. Dude, I just played my first round of golf. Oh, no way, man.

Last week. First ever. Oh, man. First ever, yeah, because I've got this property in Tennessee, like this 44 acres. I got all this land. And it was just like, I was like, oh, man, you know, like, what's to do for fun? And I was like, I'm going to get a golf club. Just whack.

I don't know what I was doing. I just got one golf club. I think it was like, if I had to get a golf club. guess it would be like a three wood or a four wood, you know? Like, um, and I was just about the one club and a bunch of balls and I was some teas. I was just like, I was just like, I was just like, I, uh, no clue what I'm doing, but, um, I just started having more fun and it seemed like each time I did it, I got like a little bit better at like whacking the plate, you know?

And I, and finally I was like, you know what? This is just getting too fun. I think I'm going to give it a try. And my girl We were always like She loves Goodwill and thrift stores And the thrift store is like Some garage sale ass like wedge clubs

I'm like oh dude now I'm gonna start working with these ones I started like doing like little chip shots at my ranch And so addicting Yeah Do you play golf? Oh yeah yeah we play too Yeah dude I mean I've done nine holes Yeah it's my friend

And we filmed the whole thing You know, my dad's not going to be around forever. And, like, I know that golf is, is probably going to be something that, like, like, like, I feel I just, well, yeah. And, like, even, like, you know, beyond, like, when my dad's not around, like, golf's just going to, like, represent. You know, like, it's going to be, like, it connects to the everything. Yeah. Now, like, I don't know, but. It's super healthy, too.

It's super healthy just to be outside and walk around outside, especially Florida. Walking is a big deal. It's so funny because, like, you know, we filmed the, I've been working on this documentary and we were filming my dad and I play golf. And I was like, dad, like, do people just always golf with their shirt on and just end up with stupid-looking farmers' tans? Like, like, it doesn't make sense to me. Like, if you're going to be out in the sun, like, take your shirt off.

And my dad was like, oh, no, no, no. Like, so it's like, oh, so it's like, it's not classy to not have. a dumb farmers can. You know? And my dad's like, well, you know, like people don't take their shirt. People don't go shirtless. So you would never know they have a farmer. And I was just like, that's dumb, man.

And my dad said, he said, he wouldn't feel comfortable golfing with somebody who is shirtless. Yeah, I feel like I wouldn't be comfortable golfing with a bunch of people who are, like, in the sun with their shirt on. Maybe you could change the stigma behind this. Yeah, no, golfers. Did that make sense? Did that make sense at all? Yeah. Do you go to like a golf course where people just want to have an even tan?

They golf with their shirt off? No, actually, you know what? I've never even thought about it. But I've never seen anybody at a golf course just in board shorts. They don't let you. That's what golf courses are so strict. It's the dumbest thing in the world. They're so stuck up.

Especially the ones in like the Northeast by like New Jersey and those golf courses. They have like a, those golf courses have like a fucking card. with the skin tones. You have to be like just white enough to get in there. Like you can't be black Mexican. Wait, what? Dude, golf courses are racist as fuck. Wait, overtly?

Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know if it's like that anymore, but like it was just like, it wasn't that recent. You can probably say, like, you're saying literally, like, you have to be this tall or go on this ride. You have to be this white to golf here. I remember one of the first times I went with Danny, I showed up in blue jeans and went into golf,

and they wouldn't let me go. golf in blue jeans. I had to buy a new pair of pants in there. I mean, that's not even that that's not even that bad. I mean, that just makes it, you know what? And this calls to mind why I had, like, such a resistance to golf for so long, you know? Like, yeah, yeah, dude, I got a date now. I'm like, yeah. My buddy Julian was a caddy at one of, like, the biggest golf courses in New Jersey, the one that, like, all the presidents used to golf at. And he would, so he would go there and they would pay him to basically, like, run their golf. golf clubs to wherever their ball went.

He was like a golden retriever for like golfing. And he would have to get there like an hour before the golfers got there. So he showed up, he told me he showed up to one of these golf courses. I think it was like Bedminster or something at like 5 a.m. That's New Jersey? This is in New Jersey, yeah. And he kept his like, he didn't. Is that a Trump course?

I think it might be. Maybe. I'm not sure. Bedminster, golf course. Look it up. And, um, and, um, And he got there and like he wasn't dressed yet because it was 5 a.m.

He was still wearing his like, his like board shorts or whatever. He thought he slept in and like a t-shirt. And he got out of his car and went to his trunk to get his clothes. And the dude in the clubhouse started like sprinting towards his car. No! Get back in the car! Wouldn't even let him out of his car unless he was like dressed with a tucked in shirt, a belt on, all that shit. That's so funny.

It's like when I was in the circus. You know, like, it was very... Yeah, that is a Trump course. It was very, very, like, not okay to be, like, partially in clown makeup, like, without your nose on or something. You know, like, like, walking around with, like, clown makeup and not your wig or stuff. There's like, no, dude, like, you do not, you will not be... And that makes sense. Yeah, there's so much.

Totally. Yeah, you do not. Oh, God. Get your nose on now. Yeah. So when did you find God? You were talking about God a minute ago. Yeah, I mean, fine God.

I don't know. Like, if I was to pinpoint a time when I had spiritual inclinations, it would absolutely be before I got sober. Ladies and gents, the day has finally come where you can use the power of red light to regrow your beautiful hair. And you can save serious cash by using our code. The I Restore Elite is clinically proven to help regrow hair using 300 lasers and 200 LEDs that send light therapy directly to your scalp. Just pop it on while watching TV or reading a book and enjoy the benefits. It's a system with proven results. In a double-blind clinical study, nearly every participant saw an increase in hair growth with this technology.

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And now you don't have to fight it alone thanks to I Restore. Like I had wild psychosis, like hallucinations, like hearing voices. And to this day, I, like, absolutely believe that that was... Like when you were on ketamine? Ketamine didn't... I didn't... I don't remember hearing voices on ketamine. But yeah, there was a lot of stuff going on with that.

Particularly, like, the combination of cocaine and... nitrous oxide and sleep deprivation was I would say my main portal into like the Jesus not Jesus like I don't I don't care for you know religion right so much like I you know like if I have a spiritual like you know belief about the you know what's beyond our, you know, 3D, like, physical, human experience. I get it from accounts of near-death experiences, which are very, like, DMT. I don't know about DMT, but there's just a lot of people, I mean, perhaps millions,

certainly thousands, who have one way or another, like, died. Right. and had the experience of, you know, what's beyond death, but come back into their body. And, you know, like these accounts are consistent enough. You know, like, you got people all over the world and they're describing the same things. You know, like across the boards, like, you know, fairly universally. They describe, like, being enveloped by, like, unfavorably. And then all the sudden, like, they're like, like, like this experience that they had as a human being, like, um, is kind of revealed to be an illusion.

Like they're like, oh, that was kind of weird. And, and, and this love is this actually their home, you know, and there's, uh, there's, um, have you have you had a near death experience? I'm not, no. I'm just, shocking. Yeah. I've had lots of, I'm not okay moments, but never like died and came back. But what's particularly, you know, like, I don't know, important to me, I suppose, is in these near-death experience accounts, there's a lot of descriptions of what's called life review.

You know, people say that when you die, your life flashes before your eyes, you know? And like, there's, like, real, that's really another consistent part of this, this whole NDE thing, where people describe that on the other side of death, there's not, like, the constraint of time, you know, like, somehow time doesn't apply in, you know, and, like, the spirit realm, whatever. So when you think, oh, your life flashes before your eyes, it's like without the constraint of time, you've got like, you know, real immersion into this life review, as it's called. And the purpose of it is not so that you can, you know, reminisce and reflect. It's rather, like, you experience, like, all of these, you know, notable moments from your life. people describe experiencing these notable moments from the perspective of the people who they

had an effect on. So everybody that like you just shit on and bummed out like did harm to like upset like as well as everybody who you know spread joy to and made them you know feel great. Like you have the experience of how you made other people feel through their perspective as them. straight up as them and without the constraint of time and in unfathomable detail like dude how the fuck does that work well i mean i don't think you come up with any sort of like conventional uh like scientific explanation for that you know it i absolutely concur that that it would be beyond our you know limited limited capabilities to properly understand it um i think that that people who have these near-death experiences,

there's so much irrefutable, I would say, irrefutable evidence where, you know, people are like not registering any, like, sign of life, period. They've got, like, they're flatlined, you know? Like, they're not conscious. Totally, yeah. They're demonstrably not conscious. But they've, they come back, you know,

they come back to life and then, like, tell the, the, the doctors what was going on you know they're like oh i was floating up above the room i saw you grab this oh yeah you had the stain on your shirt like you know like yeah they know like and the doctors are confounded like wait there's there is no way that that this person was conscious yet they're telling me what happened and like i i'm just really confident that there's a lot of irrefutable evidence to that point so he gets to uh you know what seems to me to be a very logical a conclusion that you cannot point to the brain as being a generator of consciousness. You know, like, we seem to have evidence that consciousness exists separate from our brain

activity, you know, and that we cannot, science can't figure that out. Right. You know, science can figure out that, like, I mean, just, you know, the doctor is being told what happened in the room by someone who was dead. They're like, okay, they know. We don't know how they know. We don't know how consciousness exists separate from the brain. But my, like, dumb little theory is that the brain, rather than being a transmitter of consciousness,

rather than being the originator of consciousness, it's simply the brain is like a receiver. You know, like kind of like our brain is, like, effectively picking up the signal. of our soul. A Wi-Fi signal. You know? And so then if you take this analogy like a step further, then, you know, you imagine like a radio, picking up a signal. You know, you can take a sledgehammer, you can destroy the radio to no end,

absolutely obliterate it, but you've done nothing to affect the signal that that brain was receiving. So if you follow that analogy, then it kind of makes sense that we could have the death of our body but have consciousness separate from from the body and i think that floating through the ether yeah and like you know i i get like pretty into some wild stuff like uh i had this little little phase where i was reading about uh the pleadians i don't even know if you say that that that right but like in and all this like different different crazy theories that i've uh i've read one thing that that stuck out to me quite a bit was the

scientific the science community I think agrees that 95% of human DNA they've got no clue what it's for

and the scientific term for like this 95% of our DNA is junk DNA can you look up junk DNA and you know I'm not like sure if I'm remembering this right but like effectively if I remember correctly like the scientific community cannot figure out what 95% of our DNA is for and I heard a crazy theory that um claim is that 95% of human DNA is junk has been a topic of significant debate in the scientific community historically much of the human genome was considered non-coding and thus labeled as junk DNA now I just simply simply

Like, you know, like, why, why this, this, you know, was impactful for me is because 95% of our DNA being called junk. I just, I mean, I personally think that there's a little bit more of an underlying intelligence going on in the universe than to just be making that much garbage. That's not good for anything. And the theory that I read was that, Um, you know, there's like all these, uh, I don't know, what do you want to call it? Like entities, gods, spirits, you know, and, um, that, that originally, that, uh, humans, that we were multi-dimensional

beings, you know, that, that we were, and that that's what the 95% of the DNA was for is that we were, like Billy Carson right now. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like multidimensional in the sense. that like you know we I don't know like we like we had a like our soul was like active more actively you know not separate from yeah body like and that the the the the theory in this pleadian or pleadians was that that the humans became too like as multidimensional beings we were

too difficult to control so that said that some 300,000 years ago, like, you know, like wanting to be controlled or wanting to be able to control us that they unplugged like 95% of our DNA. So we're no longer multidimensional beings. But like if you look at the people dying and knowing what happened when they were literally dead, and then you think, okay, well, there is consciousness operating sex. separate from brain activity. Right.

Then, you know, but then again, it's all just silly. Well, maybe that's like, maybe it's similar to like when you're playing a video game and you die and it just like plays your death back over again. Like you can go back and like rewind and play through it. It could be something like that. Perhaps, but, but again, like the people describing the life review, it's like the key purpose, clearly is to, to reap what you sow, you know, like the idea that, uh, that, that, that, that you experience everything as those who you had an impact on, you know? Right.

Now, like, I think that a lot of, uh, different, um, you know, religions, like spiritual, like, you know, like, there's, it's common, like, the, the, the concept of oneness, you know, that, like, we're all interconnected. Yeah. That we're all, like, effectively one, just one thing. I've heard it described as we're all eyes in the same head. You know, like, I like the, I personally love the theory that all of, all of creation is an exercise in the universe experiencing itself. Because if you think of like the universe as one thing, one thing by definition cannot have experience because there's,

there's no other thing to relate to. Right. You know, like you can't have up without down, left without right. You know, you can't have good without bad. So, like, as, and I think that, you know, my spiritual take on it would be that this is what, like, Big Bang was. You know, like, science for all of its greatness talks about Big Bang, but they're not even going anywhere near what bangs. Right, right, right. I mean, you can be, like, really pretty sure that there was a Big Bang, but, like, what are we doing here?

here if you don't have any idea of what like it was that banged right what came before that you know so how did it yeah so everybody's in the dark well did you see did you hear the recent uh story about how the james web telescope just discovered some like super mature galaxies that basically destroys the whole theory of the big bang or at least pushes it back like billions and billions of years i don't have any issue with that i think that's great we'll try to find it ste but it pulls up like they they found out that the the microwave the background microwave radiation or whatever that's what supports the whole theory of the big bang but now they're saying that this background microwave radiation is just coming from other it's a it's something that's being

emitted from these like other galaxies these like super mature galaxies that they found and these galaxies would have had to exist before the big bang sure yeah this is this is what it is right now but like yeah all these early as galaxy i'll ever see Yeah, there you go. When was this published? No, this is May. This is May. Okay.

They're talking about these galaxies that shouldn't be there. Right, right. Just 250 million years after. I mean, whether it was before, whether it was, you know, like. Yeah. The idea of, like, what banged is something that we're not going to, like, ever be able to agree on, you know. But I get this from, like, a book. I talk about it all the time.

I love it so much. called Conversations with God. It was on the New York Times bestseller list for, I want to say, a record, 143 weeks, which is almost three years, for a single book to be on the New York Times bestseller list. When was it published? What was it called?

It was published in, like, the 1990-something. It's called Conversations with God, Book 1, written by Neil Donald Walsh. And, you know, you've got, like, on one hand, And this is a guy who, he was effectively despondent. He was so frustrated. Like, nothing he was trying to do is working.

He had a family, but he was like, man, I'm having trouble, like, supporting my family. Like, nothing I'm doing is working. He'd been in, like, a car crash. And, like, it was all kinds of complications. And he had been in a habit of writing letters that he never intended to send as just an exercise inventing, you know? And he's like, you know what? I'm so frustrated because he just went right to the source and he just got it in a notepad

and he's like, God, like, why? He just wrote, he vented. And like, the way that he describes it is that he intuitively got a response, which was like, do you actually want answers or are you just venting? And so, like, this, like, intuitive thing and he's writing this whole dialogue. So that's why it's conversations with God. And it's a big pill to swallow to wrap your, you know, to like buy on. to this guy's writing the dialogue of a conversation with God, admittedly.

But at the same time, the fact that this was on the New York Times bestseller list for almost three years gives it some kind of credibility. So it's like, it's tough to believe, but it's also like, all right, like there's something here. And in this book, which I just, I love it so much, man, it really helped me with processing, like deep trauma around my the loss of my mom and the loss of my mom wasn't even the issue

it was the state that she was in for the last five years of her life and I really I was like very upset with like you know like what God thought that was cool you know allowed that to happen like my mom suffered really really badly and the worst part of it was that she had bed sores which is like just by definition

only happens to people who are completely helpless. Like they can't move. And so you're going to do that to people, helpless people who can't move, have these open wounds with all these open nerves. My mom was crying, like in pain, like for the last five years of her life. Like, no, no. Like what God was cool.

That was pissed. And so now this book, Conversations with God, really changed my perspective on it. They were like, like, you know, you've got, God is everything. It's one thing, you know. And I would interpret, I don't get this from the book as much, but I would interpret like Big Bang being like God as one thing. It's referred to as the absolute.

You know, there's the realm of the absolute, which is just one thing, which is devoid of experience and God wanted to have experience. So in order to create it, experience the Big Bang would be like God dividing itself into just infinite things which which creates the realm of the relative where like now I can there can be up and there can be down that it's great like so like everything all of creation like all little fragments of God but still one thing and it's this this illusion of separation so then you know the theory would go all of us are equally fractions of God, like expressions of God.

Like we're all one thing. You know, we think that we're separate, but we're actually not. And so when we die, like the veil is lifted and we realize, oh, wow, there was actually only one thing the whole time. And so that's where, like, it makes sense that when I die, I should realize, oh, wow, there wasn't anything separate from me. So when I did this to that person, it was actually me. And so now I'm going to experience it.

You know? Now I'm going to experience it. And I can buy that so much more easily than what religion is trying to claim with the third-party judgment system. You know, like, oh, like you're going to go before God and God's going to judge you. To me, it's so much more palatable that, like, there was only ever one thing. And so the life review when, like, when we experience things, like the harm we did to others. It's not for the purpose of us being punished.

It's not like we're in hell. You know, like, oh, you were bad. And so this is what you get. Your punishment is this. It's much more just like it is what it is. You reap what you sow. So it's not good or bad. It's not, you know, right or wrong.

It's just what happened. And so it completes the experience, which is the whole purpose of everything. It's just to have experience. Right. And so as it relates to my mom, like for for god to be a third party deal that's over there and just cool with the fucked up shit my mom went through I'm not okay with that but for God to have just divided itself into infinite particles and so now

of a sudden my mom wasn't left their suffering my mom was God you know like God was not just with my mom but God was my mom and it's not up to me to determine Like how that experience is useful, fucking valuable on any level, you know. And there's a lot of cause and effect and just that's what is. But I can wrap my head around it. What happened to my mom was God. That just helps me a lot more than my mom was all on her own in this terrible situation. Yeah, not on her own island.

My mom was the experience of God. as are you, as am I. We just see ourselves as separate entities just like for the face value of like what is walking around, you know, what is reality? We see each other's like separate things, but you're saying like below,

it's like an archipelago of islands up above the water, right? And then as soon as the water goes down, you see it's all part of one big rock. Right. I mean, it's kind of like we're all cells in this big organism. Yep.

You know, it's like the cells in our body were just one thing, you know? Yeah. And it's super interesting too how like, because I've heard a lot of experience of these near-death experiences. There was one in particular about this lady who got struck by lightning.

Have you ever heard this one? This lady was going into a synagogue with her kids and it was like a thunderstorm. She was holding her umbrella. And then the umbrella got struck by lightning and she died. And somebody was out front, like saw her get struck by lightning and they ran inside the synagogue

and they said, is there a doctor in here? And they all turned around. It was just all doctors and lawyers. It was a synagogue. So they got like the best doctor who happened to be like the trauma, a heart trauma doctor or whatever, because her heart was stopped, came out and they were doing CPR on her, trying to help her. And she was out for like 10 minutes. And she experienced, she explained two weeks sitting in some kind of a garden and like having conversations with her dead relatives and stuff like this. And she's explained like her grandpa coming.

talking to her and like giving her the option, like, do you want to come with me or do you want to go back there with your kids or whatever? It's very rare. For weeks. It's very rare for people to want to come back into their body. Like that, but people will do it if they're like, oh, my kids really need me.

Like, you know, their son. But typically people are like, oh, no, do this. This is way better. I watch a lot of these, you know? And like very rare for people. Like what you hear the most is they said up your, it's not your time. You got to go back in your body. They're like, hell you to go back.

You know, fuck that. I don't want to go back. This looks way cooler. But I just, I mean, and I get it, you know, I get it that like everything that I'm describing for my beliefs. And that's just kind of like the nature of thing. I get it that it's far out. It's like, oh, yeah, that's great.

You know, like, you know, but for what it's worth. Well, it's all far out. Yeah. It's all far out. It's just like, it's just like. like how many people do agree with your far out theory? Like there happens to be Christianity, people have agreed with for 2,000 years.

It doesn't mean it's like any more reasonable than yours. Right. I love that there's not a third party judgment system. I love that if you take this view, you know, personally I take this view where like I've got, you know, real accountability for everything that I do, you know? Like I wasn't always like, even like in surprise. like you know like I'm like I get frustrated very easily you know I get frustrated I get I get

burned out and like you know like dealing with people like I've you know I can really lose my temper like I you know like and and you know then that more often than than I'm really stoked about and it's like bum people out you know like I've been and and I'm like I feel so sensitive to that like, you know, that, man, there's just a bunch of people that I bummed out. I know it. And, like, people that I interacted with on a very superficial level who wouldn't be able to get a hold of to say, hey, man, like, you know, I want to, like, fix this. You know, like, people just have, and I'm thinking about pretty, like, low-level stuff,

but it's important to me, you know? And there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of harm that I've done that I can't fix. And going back to before I got sober. Hey, guys, if you're not already subscribed, please hammer the subscribe button below and hit the like button on the video. Back to the show. Oh my God. You know, like,

to take the idea of a life review, like, as seriously as I do, like, I'm pretty bummed on what's waiting for me. You know, like, you know, like a lot. I think on balance, I've been more of a good guy than a bad guy. Yeah. But, like, I'm just really sensitive about how much, like,

of the bad stuff is coming. So, like, I genuinely view, whatever the remainder of my life is as my opportunity to stack the good. Yeah, stack the good. And so it's not always like easy to keep it at the forefront of my, my, you know, conscious thinking,

but like, but I really, really, like, I choose to, I try to, like, genuinely stay in the mindset that I view every encounter with every person as like that you know like I want to I want to like as much as I can like if there's so much like oh you want a photo yeah for sure let's make you know like to try to make it every encounter that I have with everybody no matter who they are like a joyful uplifting experience yeah I'm like selfishly trying to like you know stack the good yeah right that's that's that is that

not the the underlying like you know if you take it to be good to my neighbor you know you It's like just that simple. Right. Right. And I love this particular, you know, this particular view of the universe, again, for taking away the third party system for not, like I really, really don't do well with Jesus died for my sins. You know, like, so what? Like, oh, you do a bunch of, like, fucked up shit and it's cool because it's on Jesus's tab.

Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like, and furthermore, like, however late in your life that you decide to be saved by Jesus, like, you're cool. So you just wait until you're on your deathbed after being a complete shit back for your whole life. Right. And it's just going to be absolved and everything's cool. Yeah.

And then on top of that, like, you know, like all of the people who I love who are of Muslim, faith, you know, Jewish, like, they're going to be burning. in hell because they didn't accept Jesus as their savior like you know I've always said that if heavens all it's cracked up to be I'd love to check it out but not without every person who I love and I love a lot

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So I guess it's hell for me. And it just seems so silly on top of that too because Jesus, like, pretty well documented that Jesus lives 2,000 years ago. Yeah. So how did anybody get to heaven before 2,000 years? There were humans before Jesus. Yeah. So are they all burning in hell? That's a good question.

I've never thought about that. Yeah. What are we doing here? I've asked this question many times and I've heard that they were like, oh, no, before then you could do like, like sacrifice animals or some weird dark shit. Oh my God. You know, like it's, it's silly, man.

Dude, that's why. That's interesting. I never fucking thought about that. And check this out, dude. Like my dad, um, very, very logical person, like almost devoid of emotion, I would say. like I consider him like a human logic machine. And he like kind of went with the Christianity for like a minute there. And he was like, I don't know if I can really do this for the rest of my life.

It would kind of like get in the way of me living the way I want to live. And so like he got very, very like into the weeds on trying to get himself like free of like all the dogma and the fear and stuff. And so, like, he would go on to, like, quite study theology. And he befriended this pastor in England where he was living. The pastor either became fluent in, like, Greek and Aramaic to be able to read the original transcripts in the original languages that, or he just became more familiar with the, the Aramaic and what this guy said, and this is really to me a big-ass deal, because the whole Jesus died for my sins and the whole, the only way to go to heaven is by accepting Jesus Christ as your

Savior. Like, comes from one line in the English translation. And the translation is the only way to my father is through me. But my dad's pastor buddy says that the actual original scriptures, the Aramaic, the Greek, an equally valid translation of that line would be, now that Jesus saying, now that I've come to share my teachings, it will be easier to find God. Like, and, and it, and it, Like, as I understand it, it all boils down to that one line, how you translate that one line. But, like, it's a lot easier for me to buy that there are more than one teacher, that there's more than one viable way to find God. Right.

You know, then like this, it's Jesus or you're going to hell. Right. Regardless of how you acted. You know, like. Right. And so, you know. Well, there's also, like, there's also lots of different scholarly people who have translated different. different original texts and have come up with like all kinds of different theories on

Jesus. Like Christianity throughout over the millennia, the people that running the churches have intentionally redacted and added in to fit the narrative of what they want it to be. The what is it? The, the, the Nisian, the Nisian council. Oh, the Council of Nicaea. Yeah, the Council of Nicaea. It's where they agreed like what they're going to include and what they're going to leave out.

Yeah, that one, that was a pretty dodgy. Yeah. And now with that said, too, and I like, here I am just like bashing on, you know, and I don't want to do that because that's just not helpful. Right. And my dad was talking to him the other night because I saw him on this trip. And I don't know that I heard him say this. He said, he said that if you took like a.

completely at random, 100 Christians and put them in a room and then completely at random, 100 non-religious people and put them in another room. I think that Christian room is way happier room. Yeah. You know, like, well, I, this is something I think about a lot, too. Like, I notice a lot of people who, like, when they get older, they just sort of, like, people, even when they're young, they, like, would mock Christianity or religion because it's like, my parents are religious, old people who are just, fuck them. That's like, it's like, it's like, you know, you're, You're not supposed to like your teacher or your boss or like the people who make the rules. And the people that are religious make these rules, how you have to live your life.

So when you're like a young rebel, you automatically want to go the opposite direction. Yeah, like the Catholic schoolgirl. Right, exactly. And those same people when they get old. Right, right. Yeah, that's how you make a slut. And super Christian shit is how you get people wearing cannibal corpse t-shirts. Yeah, fuck yeah, bro.

Hail Satan. And a lot of people that live that way when they're young will get old and find God and join Christianity. Sure. And a lot of people will be super devout Christians and then have a near-death experience and be like, oh, wow. Okay, that wasn't it. Right. Right. And I have nothing.

I have absolutely nothing against people who ascribe to Christianity or Catholicism. As long as you're not hurting people, like, you know, be my guess. Do whatever you want. Right. Yeah. You know, like, I've got a, I've got a buddy of mine, and I was just with him, like a couple weeks ago. I've known him since we were nine years old, fourth grade together. I was actually two guys.

I was with two guys that came to my property in Tennessee. We've all known each other since fourth grade. Abdullah, super-muslim, super-duber Muslim. Like when we were in fourth grade, I was at his house, like, you know, know, praying like to Mecca with him. It was like, oh, this is cool. This is what we do at Abdullah's house. You know, like, and, um, interestingly, too, that, uh, you know, I grew up in five

different countries and it was just happened to me. I was nine years old. I moved to London. And then when I was 12 years old, I moved to Canada. But I moved back to London when I was 13. So, uh, and then I was, Canadian and American. Yeah, I have three passports. That's legit.

And, um, I'm, um, I went to all four years of high school in London as well. So from 9 to 18, I was in London at the American school in London for all but a year and a half, which was seventh and a half of eighth grade. That whole time, Abdullah and I were just bros. We went through like phases together with like soccer and skateboarding. And, you know, like skateboarding was the big one. But we graduated together in 1992.

I went to the University of Miami where we know what happened there. I flunked out at every way you could possibly. You know, everywhere you can screw up. But Abdullah went to Brown University, graduated with the 4.0. Then he went to Cornell Medical School. Then he became a pediatric surgeon at the Mayo Clinic where he literally invented methods of operating on babies, unborn babies, and the fetal. Like he's operating on While they're in the womb

Babies that have not been born yet Whoa He literally invented ways to operate on them And like just that's his deal He's like you know And he's very specific about He works in Oh God what a fucking sad thing to have to do bro

I mean but here's the thing dude He'll He's candid about this He works in pediatric surgery Because he doesn't He doesn't want to work on adults because they've just so lost their innocence. He's just kind of bummed on him. Right, right, right.

Like, he's only trying to help, like, you know, like, like, it's kind of innocent, you know, like, the children. And, like, even better, let's get to him in the womb before they get out here. Just give him a fair shot early. Yeah, dude. So, I didn't even know that was fucking possible. I've never even heard of that, bro. Right. And so Abdullah was at my house, like, literally a couple weeks ago.

And I was telling him, I was like, you know, dude, like, I talk about you so much, like, bragging about, you know, like, we're so close. You know, we stay in touch and we just, like, there's, like, legit love there, you know? Like, I love him, man. And I'm so proud of him. So I'm always bragging about him how, like, he invented this way to operate on unborn baby. babies. And I told him, I was like, man, dude, I brag about you so much. And, like, when, you know, when people are talking about religion, I always, like, you know, bring you up, too, because I love you so much that, like, I use you as my example of, oh, well, Abdullah, if Abdullah is

going to hell because he doesn't accept Jesus, then I can't go to heaven. I've got to be hanging with Abdullah in hell, you know? And I told him this like literally less than two weeks ago, I think, or two weeks ago exactly, I don't know. And he goes, dude, what are you being racist on Christians? He goes, dude, don't be racist, bro.

You already have a Santa Claus getting crucified on your phone. Yeah, he's like, dude, he's like, dude, don't, don't do that, man. Like, you can believe whatever you want, man, but, you know, like, don't, don't be, you know. Yeah, that's fucking funny. The big in it or whatever. And so I'm with you. Like as much as I resist the notion of it, you know, like the exclusivity of it.

Right. You know, as much as I think it's silly, I absolutely concede that people of faith are happier and in a better spot than people without faith. Right. And I think that some people, when it comes time, they're actually dying. Some people are legitimately at peace with it. Like legitimately go peacefully and they're not super bummed. And then there's some people who are like clinging to life with so much fear and fear and death. Yeah.

And I do genuinely believe that the difference between whether you're going to die peacefully or like super in fear is faith. Yeah, I think it's part. I think God is a part of like the human operating system. You know, it's like built into us to where we have to. Like it's like a meaning generator for us. It helps us cope with our existence. What is this?

Retroactive death of Jesus. Jesus' death is considered retroactive for earlier humans, according to several Christian theological perspective. Yeah, retroactive is. What did like got, Jesus' lawyer came in. So he's been his atonement for...

Okay, so then that would mean that he could retroactively hook me up after I died. Yeah, so it turns out... Then what's the point in accepting him while you're alive? Exactly. Exactly.

Oh, God. That's true. You know what? Jesus can save me later. I forgot to do this while I was down there. Oh, God. Retroactive. I like that.

That's one of the people that when I was talking to their day, I had Gavin McKinnis on the show. And he used to have do all these, he did like one special advice, like really early on called Jesus was a f***. And now he's super Christian, you know. And I was like asking him all about him like, how did you, how did you make this transition? He's like, and he was like, he was just like watching when my daughter was born. I looked at her heel and I saw like, God must have made that. And I woke up and I said, I love God. And he's like, now I just love Jesus Christ.

And, you know, he just, like, the way he explains it is he goes, I just go to church and like being thankful for stuff. That's it. And I'm like, oh, that sounds fine. That sounds great, dude. Yeah. He also told me a story that he was hanging out with you and Jeff Tremaine or something one night.

And he said that he was going through your phone calling all your ex-girls. Or Jeff Tremaine was going through your phone. Yeah, that used to be a thing. Yeah, that was the thing. He said you were with like a girlfriend at the time. I mean. And he went through your phone and called like, 10 ex-girlfriends and said hey

It's Devo I'm here Yeah Everyone was passing around my phone Inviting chicks in my phone Like if they saw a girl's name Like okay I'll call it And then they're doing an impersonation of me And say come over

Come on over baby They'll come on and like Everyone was just having so much fun And thought it was so funny That I just let it happen So Yeah that's how I remember that He also said that you guys

Like went to go meet the president or something And like everyone was like holding their ds like this because it's just in your DNA that wherever you guys go you're just holding your yeah we didn't go meet them there was no of meet the president that was no that was i mean maybe there was but maybe it was like the white house i don't remember what it was yeah is um is um another thing i want to ask you is is bam like living in florida now because i see him on instagram all the time he's very nomadic oh okay he's uh i thought he maybe had like a um like a probation officer or like a I think he's free and clear of all that stuff.

Dude, he's ripping on the skateboard again. He really is. It's insane to see. Yeah. I don't know how long he's been sober. But to see how he basically went downhill after the whole, like, after Beavala Bam, I think it was, was the last one. Yeah. And then the jackass stuff.

Like, it's just like, that's one of the things, too, that's crazy to me is like when somebody gets fame so early. it's really hard for them to like get a real grip on reality. You know what I mean? Especially when like you have everyone that's giving you everything you want and you have unlimited access to money and drugs and stuff like this. I feel like it's a common theme, I feel like, you know, like what happened with Bam. I think anybody who has, you know, any measure of celebrity bestowed on them,

you know, like fame and fortune comes with growing pains, I think, regardless of what age you at. certainly it's going to be harder to navigate if you're super young when it happens. But, yeah, I think that, you know, and I just think every case is different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I thought it was, it was super sad when we were talking to Novak to like, because I guess him and Novak don't talk anymore, right? Is that what he was saying? I don't think so. Yeah, none of that time. I don't know if they do now. I mean, he went for a long time not even talking to his parents, you know? And even now, I think he only texts. Yeah. Yeah, that's just super, it's super crazy to me because, like, you know, we grew up, like, watching all you guys, like, doing all those crazy stuff together. And that's, like, what inspired, like, me to even, like, get into doing this stuff.

It's crazy. I don't think there's anybody who's not been rooting for BAM to do well, like, wanting him to be, like, and that includes, like, Knoxville, Tremaine, like, everybody, like, everybody, like, wants him to be happy and healthy. successful and thriving. Right. Like, without exception. And, you know, I just view that it comes down to accountability, you know, like, it seems very evident that he's managing to stay out of jail and out of rehab and, like, that's great. And it would certainly seem that he's, you know, abstinent from drugs and alcohol. I just think that the key difference,

what's going to unlock his potential is to stop blaming, you know, everybody else. Because, like, you know, like, whenever he finds himself in front of a microphone, it just sure seems like he's, yeah, he's like, oh, Knoxville and the thumb tags and, you know, like, you know, whatever it is, like, it's just this, this kind of, it seems like victim mentality, you know? Right. And it's everybody but him. And, like, he's never, like, everything just happened to him. And I just believe strongly that if you want to, you know, assume the mentality of a victim, it's very easy to do that.

But then you've relinquished control over your circumstance. You know, like when you take responsibility and accountability for your situation, like you can get a lot more done. You know, you can. Sure. And I think that like when people are accountable That that in and of itself like Just you know Cultivates respect and it's endearing you know

Yeah It's it's got to be a hard thing for him too Because I think he I mean I could be wrong But I think he like just dropped out of school to skateboard all the time right When he was really young and his parents Which is like a double-edged sword because like on one hand You're enabling him to do like what ended up creating Who he ended up being which is bam

You know like Superstar like And, you know, on the other hand, it's like, you know, you missed out on like a lot of like normal like life experiences and learning lessons that, you know, normal people usually get. And for me, it seems like that combined with Ryan Dunn dying seemed to be like what really catapulted him down that rabbit hole or that dark spiral, you know? I mean, sure. Yeah, I mean, it definitely didn't and didn't help, you know. Yeah. But I also understand that Ryan Dunn was very much alive and present for at least one of BAM's interventions.

Oh, really? Oh, see. Okay. So, like, the issues were there already. Oh, right, right. Yeah. But whatever. I mean, I'm still, like, you know, like, I absolutely believe that there's just, it's never too late.

Yeah. And especially when it's, you know, I'm still like, you know, like, you know, like, I'm still. . And, yeah. And especially when. it comes to alcoholism and addiction, you know, there's no such thing as too far gone. It literally isn't, you know, like the, if anything, there's such a thing as not far gone enough, you know, like it's perhaps counterintuitive, but, you know, the first step is we admitted we

were powerless that our life had become unmanageable, you know, like the first step is to admit defeat and if you're not far gone enough if you're like oh you know like i don't know have a problem that's that bad like i still kind of got it then you're just not a candidate enough to keep going you're not yeah and that's like to me they never recover from it 100% it's the to me the worst situation would be to just kind of have alcoholism like enough that it can slow you down and screw up your relationships and stop you from accomplishing your goals but it's not bad enough that it needs to be addressed right So like your life just slips through your fingers, just years at a time, decades go by.

And then you're like, what, I blew it? Yes. As opposed to having alcoholism so terribly bad that it cannot continue. Right. You know, like me and Novak, basically, I would say. You know, like the way that we were operating was not okay. Oh, my God. We had to acknowledge that.

And because it was so bad, then, okay, we became willing to address it. You know, like, like the, the, the, you really want to overshoot the mark of like, like, of needing help. Yeah, you, you, you don't want any, like, you know, plausible deniability. Right, right, right. Like, that I'm so grateful for that because, like, I do not have to wonder if I need to do the stuff that, the sober people need to do. Like, it's very clear to me. Like, I have, like, you know, I got it. Yeah.

So like having, you know, being in like a gray zone, it's not, it's not one o when it comes to this. Yeah, yeah, because you can just end up just going farther and farther and farther. Yeah. It's a miracle, some of them, you know, like Noback. Right. Didn't fucking die. Big time. I mean, when your situation is as bad as ours was and then you actually do something about it, like, all right.

Because like being wasted all the time, it's such a time suck. It's such a resource drain. You know, like, and on top of that, you're creating so much wreckage and, and, like, just being counterproductive, going in the wrong direction. And then, like, when you, like, actually get clean and sober, like, you've now freed up so much of your time, so much of your resources. Right. Like, you're not, like, trying to undo damage, you know, like, you're not on defense. But what if they work together, though? Like, you know, some of the biggest rock stars in the world who are literally, when in their 20s getting paid to fly jets around the world.

And as soon as they land, a chauffeur shows up with a briefcase full of cocaine and every single drug known to man. And it's just enabling you. I mean, like, I think there's an argument to, I think there's an argument to be made that drugs can enhance creativity and like. Sure. And make, I feel like there's a lot of big artists. who were way better before they got sober. And once they got sober, their music just sort of like dried up. I had an interesting conversation one time.

Somebody said, give me an example of, you know, bands or musicians that have been around for decades and made their best music at the end of their career. When they got sober? No, no, I'm not even talking about it. Oh, the end of their career. Just in the back half of, you know. And I was like, oh, come on, there's got to be, you know. And then, like, the more we thought about it, it's like, you know, so like I'm suggesting that by this argument,

sobriety is not a factor there, but just like the longer you're at it and the more you're doing it. Like, I mean, who can think of, you know, maybe we put it to the comment section, you know, like, like, suggest bands that have been around for decades. Metallica is a good example. Their new album is actually really fucking good. Like, it's on par. I mean, so now you're not going to say it's not ride the lightning.

It's not, you know. Yeah, I mean, you just like made a glaring point, valid point that like we're in a deeply subjective water. Yeah. So,

you know, so you can only kind of go with like consensus and maybe like take it to a pole, you know, Like the majority of people think, but, yeah, it's interesting, man. And I don't disagree. There was a point, like, for me, like, to the point of, like, successful and everything's working, you know, like, in my early career, like, being out of control and wasted all the time, like, it just worked right in there with my brand, you know? Yeah.

And, you know, you see Bam still, like, trying to, like, oh, yeah, the more we're on TMZ, like, the better of publicity. And like, you know, like, it's, there's a point when it was working and that was great and and I got away with it. Yeah. And there's a point when it stops working. And I think that, you know, on some level, there's a lot of, you know, my wasted years that was of supreme value in a creative sense. But as I got towards the end of my run with drugs and alcohol, it, it had really devolved, you know.

And then it was just like, oh, what did I pee on this time? You know, like, oh, Steve-O peed on her red carpet. Or, like, you know, like, got kicked out of here for doing that, you know? Creativity wasn't so fresh anymore. And the best example of this is, you know, I got sober in 2008. And 2006 was Jackass number two and 2010 was 3D. Okay. For Jackass number two in 2006, not one single idea I wrote was ever committed to film.

Not one. Why? Because they were fucking awful ideas. Like I was creatively not killing it. And that's before you got sober? That is before I got sober. And I was like, that was pretty at the end of my run. Right.

Like there was not one fucking idea. They were like, killer, let's do that. Right. Right. Right. Whereas after I got sober in 2010 Like

I wrote Yeah like Like on a role Yeah like Absolutely on a role And and what What What

Yeah I mean I'm not to say every idea But like Fucking A very large conversion rate Of writing ideas And I actually got filmed

Like Like way more than any Prior year So creatively. And that didn't happen right away. You know, like I was just about two years sober

when we did that third movie. Wow, dude. And one thing that contributed to so much was that I was just so much easier to be around. Like, it was a real effort to pop of them.

That had to have been one hell of a fucking exercise to try to get all these dudes to get along. and like to be on time to shoots. I mean, I was a bigger problem than just about it. You know, it was like, oh, dude, I'm on a plane. I'm stuck next to Steve-o.

Like, oh, no. You know, like in the early days. Oh, dude, you used to do some like crazy shit on planes, didn't you? Big time, yeah. And in the early days, we used to share hotel rooms. And God, was it quick that people, like, learned not to be in my own time. room with Steve. Oh, dude.

Like, just sit down the... Oh, God. Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah. Congratulations. Right.

So, I mean, you got to, like, you know, the idea that creative people are more creative when they're on drugs and alcohol. Yeah. Like, I won't entirely refute that, you know. I think that there's a point when it's working. Yeah. When it's working. There's a healthier point.

There's a got to be in the pocket. There's a point. Yeah. the point where it's working, there's a point when the drugs and alcohol turn on you. Yeah. When they turn on you and they're not working anymore and they take over. Yeah. Like, you're working for them.

Yeah. For sure. Big time. Like up to a point, like, they serve you and then it comes from when you serve that stuff. Right. Right. And it's terrifying for a lot of people because they're like, oh, my God, now I got to get clean and sober. But like my identity, you know, my identity, my creativity, what's it going to be like?

Right. And, you know, therein is why it's so important to overshoot the mark of needing to get planted sober. Because it's got to have gotten to the point where you're like, all right. There's no question. Like, even if it caused my creativity, even if, like, I don't have a choice. It's black and white. I, you know, even if, like, I didn't know if I would be able to be creative after, you know, when I, you know, when I, I got clean it sober.

I didn't know if I could, especially because you're in rehab and they're talking about how recovery is all about deflating your ego, you know, like adopting a spiritual mentality, like believing in a higher power. And I'm like, okay. So like I got to deflate my ego. I got to like be all about like my higher power and spirituality. And I'm trying to be. Steve-O from jackass like how's that how is that how does that I'm just take all the ego out of

being stevo sure you know like and um I had just had to not have a choice in that you know and when I when I first got sober the the like I was just I knew I had to put the camera down I just knew that like I had to like just make I just put that away and just make recovery like the only the only priority and the first and it was easy to do that too because I had effectively burned like every bridge in my career, you know, that was going on. Every opportunity I had destroyed with the way that I was carrying on with drugs and alcohol. And Jackass was not active at that time. Like there was no jackass activity between 2006 and 2010. So those four years were just dark for Jackass.

And, you know, like, and I had nothing else. going so it's very easy for me to step away there's nothing to step away from you know and like you know as far as like started starting you want a whole fresh start and everything like there's no work to distract me like the relationship I was in blew up it was gone I had no relationship the apartment I lived in I was straight evicted from was even a you know kicked out so I had a fresh start across the boards and there was no job uh there was no real job until I got like oh the dancing with the stars wants you to be on you know and that was back in 2009 dancing with the stars was like a 20 more than 20 million people tuning in every time it was on

you know like on to TV was still like a big deal yeah and um and I was like all right like I can dip my toe in the water you know like I don't have to be a crazy asshole right I don't have to like travel I just rehearsed down the road from my little halfway house and then going you know and so I did that it was wildly uncomfortable but I just went little baby steps and then 2010

it was the end of 2009 I got the call about Jackass 3D and I was like oof I was like ooh I was like I can't turn it down right but uh but yeah I just figured it out and the answer is

you can be creative you just got to you can totally be creative you saw my show dude like my show is fucking incredible dude and then all the video stuff that you guys shot I want to see the whole

thing. I want to see that whole... I mean, I shoot all that stuff specifically for the live show. Oh, really? That's my format, dude. Do you put any of that stuff on YouTube or anything by itself? I'll have like an involved credit bed

of outtakes. Okay. But that's how like, you know, my last shows that's how I do it, dude. It's a multimedia show. That's so fucking cool. It's so unique. I've never seen anything like it. Yeah, thanks, man. Ultimately, the film will be like, what's the comedy special, you know?

Right. And I have, like, when I do make a special out of this show that you saw the other night, that'll be my fourth comedy special. And the last two were multimedia. And they live for free and ad free at stevo.com. Oh, fuck you. If anybody's interested to see what this multimedia comedy we're talking about. The one where I'm on the bicycle with the general anesthesia and the epidural foot race and, you know, like the Vesectomy Olympics. Like, and at the end of it, I jack off simultaneously blowing a load as I fall out of an airplane.

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Stop. Oh, my. Yeah. That's on skyjacking. Who was it? Yeah, that was Steve-O-Bucket. That was Steve-O-Buckettlid. Creativity is kicking in.

Oh, my God. Who was strapped to your back? The Tant-a guy. Oh, okay. I thought I was going to be Ponnius or something. No, no, no, no. That was the first time I went skydiving. Sky-chacking.

Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, there's... That's got to be hard to pull off. When people get sober, they worry that they're not going to be creative, that their life's going to be boring. I think you've blown that out of the water now. I think I've crushed that belief for me. You've destroyed it.

You can you can do a lot more and a lot better. How often do you ever see Manny anymore? You know, I spoke with him because I was in town. He wasn't able to make it out here and I wasn't able to make it to him. He's like dead in the middle between Miami and Tampa. Oh, really? I thought he was on the East Coast. No, he's in a, he's in a sebring, Florida.

Oh, okay. And he wouldn't have been able to make it because, uh, his lady. He's got this like outrageously gorgeous girl. I know. I've met her. Yeah. Yeah. I was talking to her forever.

She has like a bunch of her family. They're all from Hawaii. Yeah. Shout out to Morgan. And she's also, she's a musician. And they were heading up to, um, Tennessee for her to have a gig. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah.

I forgot. She does music and show. Yeah, I love that you got all manny's tridents and stuff. Dude, he was one of our first podcasts. I ever did. He's the best. He is really, talk about somebody.

Crazy stories. Big time. And talk about somebody who is, just has unshakable faith from which, you know, like I can picture Mani. And I'm not saying this in a disparaging way. I can picture Mani like, you know, breathing his final breaths in like the most perfect peace.

Oh, yeah. Like, there's no fear in that. that guy. No. He's bit by six different species of sharks. Yeah. And he's only afraid of, like, bugs. Those are the only types of things he's afraid of.

The small ones you can't see. Like, he's not afraid of a great white shark or a bull shark or anything like this. Yeah. Just like little, the little killers that are invisible. The ones that crawl down your dick hole. Yeah. Yeah, those ones. Those are most terrifying ones that eat you from the inside.

Yeah. How did you originally meet him? Oh my God. We One of the first ideas One of the first ideas I had for Jackass came from the skateboarding legend Danny Way. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, who famously jumped over the Great Wall of China after setting the Guinness World Record for the highest air ever done on a skateboard, which he landed, like, immediately after the Guinness Book of World Records's longest air. He rode in one run, the longest air ever done. And he set that record doing a backside 360 and landed it and rode right into the highest air ever done.

Back to back Guinness World Records. Didn't he also drop out of a helicopter? Yep. Multiple times. Danny's the best, dude. Like, I was, I'm the same age. Yeah, Danny and I are, like, just about exactly the same age. we were both 15 years old and his name was on my skateboard you know he was pro like his first pro

contest he beat tony hawk when he was 14 years old how old were you guys when you met um when we met i was 23 oh okay yeah it was a big deal to me and when i was 23 and and uh his clothing company that he started like he had me on the team and i was like not for skateboarding i was like i was sponsored for literally drinking bong water, lighting myself on fire and jumping off bridges. Oh my God. But Danny wrote this idea. It's like,

oh, I got an idea for you. You know, because he just loved all my crazy shit that he did. He goes, dude, it's called shark hugging. He says he says, catch a blue shark and reel it up to the boat. And when the, when the sharks were just on the boat, you jump off and like

hug it, you know? terrible idea because God do Blue sharks like whip around and they're like deep water sharks right? I mean yeah but he was saying to have it on the hook so you catch it and reel it up to the boat maybe it's the I don't know like the depth but they are fast

they can flip flip around but do you have to like go way offshore to catch that or was that? I mean whatever and like again I don't know the depth or where you find them but like it made sense to me in that if you think of like by like the way that a compass you know a compass can only make that circle yeah outside of that like circle

a compass can't reach right so if the shark was on a line the fishing pole would and the line would be like the compass you know what I mean like so if you were behind like the how far that line could reach right yes technically you'd be able to hug the shark and it wouldn't be able to get you you know I did a bad job from something but you follow no I understand what you're saying right But then again, of course, now, like, you can't show that because it's like the hook in the mouth and like the animal. You're going to upset it. You're just going to be upsetting and unsettling. But the shark hug idea was still like at play.

But the way that we filmed it, we filmed all of my footage for the first season in the space of five days all in Florida. First season of what? Of Jackass. Of Jackass for MTV. Okay. Like going back, this was in literally year 2000. So 25 years ago. That's great.

Almost exactly 25 years ago. It was specifically August of 2000. So, and I only shot on three of those days, of those five days. But they had, and we didn't know me any at this point. This is where I'm getting to. Okay, okay. So we, they found like a tourist operation that would take you, I think it was in Port Lauderdale and they would take families out to go swim with nurse sharks.

They had had literally thousands of families like that they took swimming with nurse sharks. Yeah, that was the day. So that the guy says that the guy says, you know, the one thing you got to watch out for is your hand moving. Right. Don't wave your hand around the sharks. Right. And I go down there. Like we go down there where we're playing with.

the nurse sharks were humping them like dry humping these nurse sharks and I do exactly what they say not to do like I'm waving my hand in front of the shark and it bites me I still have this scar right there like uh

my fingers like shredded by this shark like why just got bit by a shark on the on the tip of my finger and uh I go up and it's crazy bleeding and um get on the boat We got this hilarious medic, Ed the medic.

He's got a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. And he's like wrapping up my finger. And, you know, later that day, like, I'm doing the street fishing, which is originally called bum fishing. But that was with the dollar on the fishing line. What do you shit on it? No, you don't shit on it. Oh, okay.

You just attach a dollar to a fishing line. Right. You leave it on the sidewalk. And you're out there with their fishing pole. And when people go to reach it, you reel it in. And so then they're like, you got them chasing the dollar down. the street you're reeling it in super funny um but uh but um yeah so i got my finger out bandaged up now the thing was that when i came on the boat with my my shark bite and the blood everywhere

the people in charge of that tourist operation they said you can't show that on mt v if if you show stevo getting bit by that shark on mtd then then our business is done you can't you know like that's terrible you can't do that and jeff tremaine made a a of a verbal agreement he said okay we won't show that and uh and i got bit by a shark for nothing you know i was so pissed and and so then like it was in our heads like all right we can't continue to film with little family operations like this we just lost a sh uh an on-camera shark attack right there was a mellowed nurse bite, nurse shark biting my finger, but it was a bummer, you know. And so then, like, I'm going to guess very shortly after that, the Pontius and Tremaine

were watching Animal Planet. And Manny had, I think it was, maybe it was called Ultimate Predator, I don't know, Mani had a show on Animal Planet. And they're watching Manny, like, lift alligators out of the swamp and everything, which they thought was just so great. But like the clincher was that he was riding sharks around, lifting alligators out of his own, all while wearing a speedo. The fact that he was doing that. He was jacked too.

Yeah, for sure. The fact that he was doing that while wearing a speedo was absolutely like done. We have to have this guy. And they suspected that like had the shark attack happened on Manny's watch that. there would be no issue. We would be able to show it. You know, whatever happens with this guy, you're going to be able to show it.

It kind of like Jesus in a speedo. Yeah, and honestly, there never was a shark attack for us with, you know. With Mani? Yeah, and like the first time I filmed with Mani was in the Everglades with like alligators and stuff. And it was, we learned, Mani's such an asset.

I love him so much, man. Like, like, Mani's best on-camera stuff was largely when something like completely random was happening. And he's like, peanut gallery. Like his reaction. His reaction. Like when I snorted the earthworm, he just couldn't even believe it. He was like, he's laughing so hard. He was there when Dave England barfed into the frying pan and we fried up the vomelet.

Like everything like just the way Mani would react to just our shenanigans was always so priceless on camera and like his contribution to You know with that with the animals and you know under his watch Like I remember one of the the first time swimming with sharks with manny he was telling he was trying to get us to ride Great Hammerheads like he was doing it like routinely he'd find a great he'd he'd go out in the wall chum, like he's holding a chopped and a half barracuda in one hand and a knife in the other. And he's just treading water, just hacking up the barracuda to try to attract sharks to him. You know? And when the sharks come, then he's like, cool.

He grabs its dorsal fin and just rides it around to the ocean, you know? Like so epic. And it was so funny, too, because Chris Pontius and I, that first day with the hammerheads, we're just hanging out on the boat. We're so hungover. We got like no sleep. We're just like hanging out on the boat. Just waiting for Mandy to scream,

Shark! Normally like, normally like, normally somebody screams shark, you get out of the water. We hear shark. We're like, oh, hurry up, jump in. Jump in the water. Get your speed on.

We already had our speed on, so we just had to jump in. But so, Mani's, you know, hacking him. He screamed shark. get in the water and it's like all right you know we got some footage but then we just start pushing it further so like what we ended up doing before the end of that day was uh like chopped

in half barracuda we literally strapped them all over me and they just I had like I had like the great hammerhead bit well yeah I had just like chum strapped all over my body and then it got in the There was like some dissension on the boat. Like the boat captain was not stoked on that. Like there was like the screaming like dude, we just did it anyway. And I remember later like, like again, way more than 20 years ago. My dad, like we're having dinner with my dad. And my dad says, how can it possibly be safe to swim with great hammerhead sharks

while you have chum strapped all over your body. And I'm like, duh, Dad, Manny was there. Like, nothing bad can happen when Manny is there. There was just this like perceived perception. And, you know, Manny was there when I had the fish hook through my face, you know? Like, and the maker, when the Maker shark went from my foot. and Mani saw the Makos shark going for me He goes, Steve-o, watch out.

Like I was doing again, I was doing the worst thing you can do, which is I had my head above water, so I'm not looking at what's happening. You know, I'm not even seeing a shark come. That's like what they see. And you have a 30-a-hook in your cheek. And they're like, they're like, you want to be able to see what's going on

so you can get rid of it, but I'm not. I've just got my head completely above water. No idea. But because my head was above the water, I heard Mani go I heard Mani scream Stevo watch out

You know Steve oh watch out And so I hear him Mandy do that Like I like jerked And that was like when Steven watch out And so I'm like

Getting away Yeah So great man Oh dude With Manny it's the best Is it true I heard the story years ago I never knew if it was true or not

That You got trolled through what was it? Boka Grand Pass dressed as a tarpin in a tarpin suit. Is that real? No. Damn it.

No, definitely. Because Boca Grand is like where everyone catches the tarpon and like you can go catch a tarpon and like any day of the week. Camera heads will come up and just eat these like 200 pound tarpin in one bite. Yeah, that didn't happen. Pontius rode like we towed a, towed him on an inflatable orca in Alaska with like legit wild orcas in the shot

like right behind them. I think Mani told me about this. Yeah, you guys dumped him in the water in front of them. Like apparently, if I remember correctly, there was not a lot of, like, like, there was like not a lot of data from like humans swimming with wild orcas.

Right. Right. And like, they didn't know what's going to happen. They knew that if the orca's going to kill you, you're going to get killed. They killed great white sharks. Yeah, big time. But our experience was, and everyone was a little bit surprised, that trying to swim with the orcas, they just couldn't get near them.

They just didn't want to mess with you. Yeah. Man, he was in that water, like trying to go ride an orca. Yeah, they just weren't having it. Yeah, he said that you guys saw it in Alaska like a pot of orcas, and he was like, go drop me off in front of them. And he's like, I got in the water and the visibility was like this

in that water. He didn't see it until like he was literally right next to him. I don't think he even managed to get. I just think they weren't cool with being around humans. Really? I don't think there's ever been a case where an orca's attacked a human in the wild. Never once.

Isn't that strange, dude? Because they fucking eat dolphins, they eat great whites just for their liver. Like, they fuck animals up. But not humans. They don't, they don't They don't want to mess with humans. Yeah, unless you put them in a tank, then they'll drown you. Oh, yeah, you do the SeaWorld thing, too.

Oh, yeah, you did do the SeaWorld thing, too. Yeah, I sure did. Yeah, that was during my, like, militant vegan fears when my approach to animal advocacy was... Well, you don't have to be a vegan to protest SeaWorld. What SeaWorld does is fucking criminal, bro. Right, yeah. Didn't you go to jail for one of them? I was sentenced to 30 days in jail.

I ended up serving eight hours. That's not bad. Yeah. Was that the one on the crane? Yep. Yeah. It was expensive. It was expensive and arguably worth the publicity.

But like just looking back on that one, like I'm just not, I'm not proud of the wasting of emergency first. responders resources you know like there were so many like fire trucks and cops and it was just like what a waste you know um and uh and it was dumb like i'm on a crane nowhere near sear world like the reason i did that was because my buddies and i had just gotten like our first drone we just learned how to fly the drone and like so now what are we going to film with the drone like to get something awesome, like I now need to get myself hella up in the air. So I'm just like looking up at like, and I see cranes and I'm like, well, it'd be kind of rad to be like treacherously on a gnarly super tall crane and have the drone shot of that. But that's only half an idea. So I'm like,

what am I going to do? I'm like, all right, well, if I'm on a crane, we'll get the cool drone shot. I'll bring an inflatable whale that says sea world sucks and blow up fireworks. You know, all right. Like, uh, sure. I remember after doing that, there were so many people for years. They're like, hey, man, I really respect, like, what you did to stand up against Seaworld. And, you know, on one level, sure, like, I, you know, I suppose my heart was in the right place, but also at the same time, like, I was just attention hoaring. You know?

I was like, yeah, well, yeah, that was just me. Like, if I do this, I'll get attention, headlines, you know? And I certainly did. But between wasting the emergency responders, you know, time and being a blatant, you know, attention grab and like sort of negative reinforcement approach to animal advocacy. Yeah. But that's sort of a trifecta of not my proudest moment. It helped, though, right? Because I think right after that didn't.

It was, I think, coincidental. Within two weeks of that, there was the first legislation that said, no more breeding of orcas in captivity. I think that's what it was. Yeah, because they would go out and just straight up capture those orcas and dolphins and put them in those tanks. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think at this point, like whatever orcas are in captivity,

then that's it. And then once they've all died, then. I don't know that you can replace them anymore. Yeah. Certainly can't breed them anymore in captivity. Yeah. And yeah, I agree. It's terrible.

Because you're like literally driving them crazy. Like they're like mentally ill when they're in those tanks. Dude. You can just slowly die. It's like slow death. And they're, they're fucking, I'm sure they become some level of like psychotic. For sure. I mean, I think it's just the fact of their dorsal fin flopping over.

It's like they've just like lost their will, you know, whatever, like broken their spirit. Yeah. And like, it's terrible, you know, but I think, you know, if I were to, you know, point to something that upsets me, like, way more, it's just like the grand scale of animal agriculture, the factory farming. Yeah. Like, that's like there's, I mean, that's so widespread. It's on such a huge scale.

And not only is it terrible for the, for fucking nature, but it's also terrible for humans, too. to eat that stuff. I think so. I think so. I haven't eaten any meat other than seafood for more than 17 years. Really? Yeah. I think seafood's probably the healthiest.

And I believe, I don't think that dying's that big of a deal. I mean, it's just like everybody's got to die. You know, I think it's living that's difficult, you know, like suffering in life is what I think we want to avoid. And for me to imagine a fish that lives in the ocean naturally, it has a great life, and then ultimately at the end of its life, it's cotton, you know, like it's that it had a good life is what's important to me. Yeah.

And where I've gone back and forth between eating no meat whatsoever and eating seafood, I believe that I was just doing my body all kinds of not helpful with chicken you know all that like the beyond burgers they're delicious it's great but that's not food dude no that's an absurd substance

it's something made in a lab like chemists in a lab like trying to figure out like how do we make this thing look more like a burger and taste more like a burger and like all the chemicals and shit that are in it's terrible are so bad yeah it's terrible so um I just think that my body recognizes seafood as actual food and that uh you know now with that all the

overfishing in the oceans there's another fucking huge problem you know like yeah you know eating fish am i contributing to the like the destruction of the ecosystem of the ocean and the whole balance of nature and like there's no more fucking fish what do they say that uh the plastic in the ocean will outweigh fish like in the near future. Really? I'm not, I wouldn't be surprised. Seen a lot of reports where they find like tons of chemicals in fish that's in the water and microplastics.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, that's why I was so stoked to get a vasectomy. Yeah. What, wait, what, what, what does vasectomy have to do with that? My carbon footprint. Yeah. Do you have any kids? No.

No kids? No. No. I managed to get away with no kids. And, yeah, I got a vasectomy. So I'm not... I thought about getting a vasectomy. I was too scared to do it.

Oh, yeah. It's mellow. Is it? Big time mellow. I heard it was weird. I mean, everyone I've heard talk about it, just say it was, like, super uncomfortable. And, like, I don't know. Just the idea of them cutting open your ball sack and, like...

Yeah, I mean, dude, it's... It's... It's very much like when you go to the dentist and they're like, you're going to feel like a prick, you know, like some pressure here. And like they do the local. The only thing that you feel is that one initial needle that makes it numb. Oh, okay. So you get like, yeah, you've got one like a little pin prick to numb the area. And then you literally don't even feel your ball sack after that.

Oh, wow. And like it's the most like like I thought oh my god I'm going to get a vasectomy on camera And then immediately get on a horse and go galloping bareback like to go be dressed up like a pinata and have kids whack me in the dick with a stick You know like you know and I didn't we push it until my ball sack was literally a plum You know is that is that the reason you got a vasectomy part of a bit? Yeah I got it's for my last my last two of the bucket list tour it's in the bucket list special which is free and ad free

at stebo.com what a great reason to get a vasectomy right i mean i was it was an idea that i had for the longest time of 20 years like you know i was like they're the vasectomy olympics you know like um but uh initially when i got the vasectomy like the footage i was like dude it's so like barely invasive you know Like the, like, the, you know, you say cut open the ball sack. Like, we're talking like a millimeter's incision.

And that just enough to fit tweezers, you know, just enough to get like really precise tweezers just to get that one tube, the vast deference and then cut that one tube. And you don't feel it at all, you know. Wow. So like. Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to do it. My wife got our tubes tied when she, we had our last kid. So I don't have to worry about it anymore. Okay.

There you go. Yeah, I can't recommend it enough. I love it. You don't have to, like, do terrible things to your ball sack after you do it, you know? But yeah, how interesting is it that for all the, like, you know, overpopulation, are there too many people to feed when in fact depopulation is the much more grave concern? Allegedly, right? That's what Elon Musk has been saying that where population is declined. Well, especially in, there's certain kind of, like Japan is having a huge problem with depopulation.

China, even more so, because they had their one baby policy, which seems to have turned around and bit them right in the ass. Yeah, I think they're lying about their population. I just had this lady on here a couple weeks ago who was from China, and she's like extensively does deep dives on all of, like, China's policies and all the statistics they come out with all the time. and she's made this really valid case of how they're overestimating their population by like 50%. She thinks it's, she thinks their population is like, they say it's $1.5 billion, but she thinks it's closer to- 1.41. Right. I googled this the other now.

And India is 1.42. So India has surpassed China. Oh, really? Yeah, I believe that's the case. Well, they, so they never had the one-child policy. But apparently, if you do the numbers, like, according to China statistics of their population, their population has been growing at the same rate of India. But how is that possible if they've had that their policies since what, like the 90s they started it? And if you just look at America, I mean, I don't know if baby boomers are the biggest generation, like the world over, certainly the biggest generation in America.

Yeah. You know, there's never been one generation that had a more. more babies born than the baby boomers. And now the point that we're at, like each generation has been less people since then. And now we're having even less people. So all the baby boomers retiring represent a drain on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, like, you know, all of these like what's called unfunded liabilities for the government budget. because I mean dude

37 trillion dollar you know national debt crazy that's 37 trillion dollars is unsustainable but forget about the fact that unfunded liabilities are not included in that number and that that's your social security

your Medicare Medicaid like and those are bigger budget items you know like we're in the hundreds of trillions if you count you know if you count that Like we're over $100 trillion for sure. Our debt, our interest on the debt every year is a trillion dollars.

Well, our, the servicing the debt by just paying the interest is now a bigger budget line item than the military. It's the top budget line item. Well, I think with that new big, beautiful bill, they just increased, Trump just increased the, the Pentagon's budget. No, well, now it's a, I think now it's a trillion. So now the Pentagon budget is equal to the interest payments. I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's like, what does even mean anymore?

Like, what is fucking, I don't even know. I'm, like, losing my grip on, like, what money even means anymore? Well, I mean, like, it, uh, it's definitely unsustainable. And the one time when the debt to GDP ratio was this out of whack was immediately following World War II when all the baby boomers were born. and that what got us into that crazy debt was how expensive the the war was you know we had to borrow so much money to be at war and you know then we went into this like humongous era of prosperity with manufacturing jobs you know now there's not a war to you know we had the COVID you know we had the 2008 financial crisis the COVID and you know like maybe something else, but we do nothing but just balloon our debt, balloon our debt. Right, right. And we're not, I don't know how we handle the next pandemic or whatever.

And I'm scratching my head to figure out why war is good for, uh, for, you know, apparently like the, it makes, it gives America a big shot in the arm, like, uh, to, to be at war. Because the military contractors get billions of dollars to send weapons to all these other countries. Now we don't do real wars. We just do proxy wars. We just fund the other countries to fight our enemies. So we just give them all this endless amounts of money to fight these wars. And that privatizes tax dollars.

Right. But it also artificially boosts our GDP. Because it's like by doing these wars and like creating these conflicts now we have to pump all this money into these private military. companies to build all this stuff and send it over. So now, like, they're artificially inflating the GDP when in reality it's only the specific military contractors having that money. Yeah, it's insane, man. And the point being that baby boomers retiring, they represent just all, they're not paying

taxes. You know, the baby boomers are retired. They're done working. And they're costing all kinds of money in Social Security and Medicare. So, like, and then. you've got people actually working fewer of them so it's it's uh you know expenses not right not assets it's all like not enough new people like creating you know stimulating the economy paying taxes you know so like where's the money come from to support all these old dying

people right yeah that's that's the uh the conspiracy theory i don't have you heard the conspiracy theory about how they created COVID to kill the old people so they wouldn't have to pay that debt. Oh, wow. Have you heard that one? That's a crazy sinister. I haven't heard that one, but, uh, I mean. They call it tapering the Ponzi scheme. So if they, I like that.

If they could, if they could create some virus to kill all that only targets like old people, you know, who are like on death's door already whack them. So now we don't have to pay them all that money. We can use that to pay for other things. I don't necessarily believe it But it's just one of the theories I mean And kids

And people aren't having kids anymore either Like like the young people Now like women are incentivized to have careers And be like make a lot of money And it's not even incentivized They're forced They're forced to Yeah

And that's the thing Is that like It's just cultural thing Like I don't think I don't think that most I think most women if they had that, I think most women want to be housewives. I think most of them want to have kids and raise their children.

I think that there's like a genetic calling. Like it's in the DNA. Like for estrogen makes women want to be nurturing, caregiving. And testosterone makes us want to be macho and providers. So yeah, that fits right in with our genetic makeup. And, you know, you just said that you don't understand, like, how money even works anymore. But it's like, it's kind of simple, I think that, you know, you look at the World War II ended in 1945. There was this big, like, boom in the economy from all of the manufacturing jobs.

We were making all this great stuff, like the, you know, it was like the 1950s, 60s and 70s. represented like the heyday of the American dream where one, you know, like one person working, dad works and makes enough money for the family to have two cars, own their own home, everything's paid off, mom stays at home with the kids, and, you know, that was the American dream. But two major things happened, as I understand it. 1971, they did away with the gold standard. Like the fiscal responsibility was built in to the gold standard. Like every dollar had to be backed by gold.

So you couldn't be totally reckless. And then Nixon takes us off the gold standard. And now a sudden, fuck it, who cares? We can print all the money we want. We don't have to be responsible anymore. Right. You know, so they print so much money that the money just loses its value. And, you know, like, inflation's out of control.

And then the other piece that was like a real big thing, as I understand it, under Reagan in the 1980s, they did away with all this banking regulations. Like it used to be that prior to the 1980s, a career in finance wasn't like a big baller job. Right, right, right, right. Like, I think that there just wasn't that much money in being a finance person because there was. there's so too much regulation to preclude people from really getting out of whack. But the 1980s, they do away with all this banking regulation. So now, like, it's just manipulating money. And so you've got, like, the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer,

and money becoming less valuable. And in that whole dynamic, like, the purchasing power goes way down. But the poor are getting poorer, their wages are stacking. because everybody's just so fucking greedy. So now people are earning the one dad earned working the one job like doesn't, you know, make much more money than you used to and the purchasing power is so down. Yeah. That now it's got to be mom and dad working.

Right. And and that's not enough to own your own house anymore. No. Now like the owning a home's out of reach, you know, that, you know, like so it's pretty fucked man it is pretty fucked dude and i i saw this coming so like i mean i don't know i saw this coming i remember like i was playing a game of pool with abdala and uh you know i was i was on tour in minnesota by the mayo clinic and so i met met up with abdala and we're playing pool you know i have at some place we had lunch and i said abdala i just don't want to have

kids man you know like i don't want to have kids and he's like what you should totally have kids and I said, well, dude, I said, for our parents, a university diploma meant placement in a career of your choosing. Right. But for our generation, not so much, you know, for our generation, considered helpful, but by no means a guarantee. And now for our kids, you know, like, it's like basically useless. And it comes with all this ridiculous student debt, you know. And, you know, I said, I said the dwindling opportunity, the rich getting richer, the poor getting poor, like how hard it is to get by in the world today, I just don't want it on my conscience that I created a human being to struggle and suffer under these circumstances. You know, I could wrap my head around adopting an existing child to take an existing situation.

situation and improve it, but I just don't want to create a new situation that's to go sideways. And, you know, and Abdullah's response to this, he said to me, in Africa, with all of the poverty, the famine, the disease, do you think people are any less happy? Right. And my knee-jerk response is like, well, yeah, you know, but I understand intellectually. you know, theoretically, Abdullah's point is that you can strip people

of their resources, you know, their wealth, even their health, food, but you cannot strip from a human being their capacity to love another. And it is from loving others

which we derive our happiness. Yeah. So technically, and also like... And just joy, too. Yeah, there's joy. And, and, and, and,

And whatever the baseline is, like, you're going to get accustomed to the baseline. So, like, people just get used to it. Yeah. And our baseline is just so fucking ridiculous. Well, especially, like, in America, because we are pre-programmed with the culture of trying to rise to the top and, like, get the big house and the boat in the car or whatever. So, like, this is what you do when you're in America and you have to do this. But now it's so fucking hard.

But, you know, at the same, you know, just have kids and move to Costa Rica and, you know, surf all day. Then you can be super happy. You don't have to have a lot of money. And, you know, you eat good food. You're healthy. And you're not, like, fucked from the get-go by being born in America and having to live your life around this fucking empire that seems to be crumbling. Seems to be. Yeah.

I mean, like, I'm, you know, I said before that my dad's got this super doom and gloom, you know, mentality and, like, the debt's unsustainable. You know, now what makes America different than our job. Argentina, which has been through all of this, is that the American dollar is the world reserve currency. So that gives us a lot of leeway, you know, for now, exactly. That gives us a lot of leeway. And like, you know, it's almost like too big to fail kind of a situation. But, you know, most recently, and I think exacerbated by all the tariff stuff and, you know, all that, I think that a lot of, you know, countries are losing faith in the dollar.

It used to be the safest thing to invest in was American treasuries. Yeah. And now not so much, you know? Like, look at the price of gold. I haven't paid attention. It turned into a jump ramp, dude. Really? Yeah, it turned into a jump ramp.

Like, you know, like gold was trading. at like 10 years ago I was trading at like 1,000 bucks, you know. An ounce? You could just hit a million for a bar or something, wasn't, or something crazy? Well, it goes by one-troy ounce is how they measure it. And so it was like a thousand bucks an ounce ten years ago, basically. Five years ago, it was about 2,000. Now it's 33,300.

That's crazy. Now, I mean, it's bounced around a lot. But can you bring up the price of gold on a graph? Bring up like a graph. You can do the last 10 years. You can do the last five years and they look pretty similar. Also, it's 3.30, so I just want to warn you. Oh, it is?

Yeah, shoot. Yeah, I got to get going. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, like, people are losing faith in the dollar. I don't know. Like at the end of the day, I get myself pretty like catastrophized, you know, like, ah, doom and gloom. Yeah. You know, like it's, it becomes kind of like a, I don't know, man.

Like, I think it's kind of kind of fun. Oh, yeah, they got to go more out than, oh, wow, that's 10 years. If you do it on Google and not brave, you'll get an actual, like, that doesn't look right. You'll get one where you can click on like 30 days. That's only to 2023. Right. So you're missing the actual jump ramp. Right.

Yeah. If you go on Google, like I said, you'll find the little thing where there's the buttons. You can do like one year, five years, 10 years. And it'll show you like the value all the way back to like, I'm sure like the 90s. One thing for sure, it would seem looking at the graph that Trump has been very good for gold. And evidently for Bitcoin too, you know. Well, yeah. See, there you go.

Look at that, dude. Oh, look at the last two years. That's the jump ramp. So, 2015, it was like right above a thousand. Yeah, I said 2015, it was 1,000. Yeah. Five years ago, it was 2000. And today, it's 3300.

That's fucking nuts, dude. Pretty stuck that I nailed that, that accurately. Yeah, you did nail that. Yeah, all right, man. Dude, thanks for coming, man. For sure, man. Like, I get it. You're towards.

Thank you for coming to my show, man. Yeah, dude, thanks for having us. Tell people again about your tour and where they can like subscribe to your YouTube and all that stuff. When does this go out? This will be out in probably like a week or two. A week or two. All right. So I'll have been done in North Carolina.

Next month, I'll be, in August. I'm doing California, Colorado, Arizona, and Utah. Fuck yeah. And then I'm off to Canada in September and October. Incredible, dude. And then I just. don't stop. Like, I honestly, like, I feel like we're, you remember like 2008?

It was like one day, business as usual. And then the next day, out of nowhere, there's a switch, like a light switch. Boom. It's a crisis, financial crisis. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That happened overnight. And I think that whatever comes next could very much, likely very much, will be that, you know. I mean, here's the rumblings.

You're definitely seeing a lot more news stories about the unsustainable debt. You're seeing that the U.S. treasuries, that the U.S. debt got downgraded. It's no longer AAA. Right. Like, you know, you're seeing, you're definitely seeing more stuff that calls it into question. But I just think it could be like super overnight. Like, oh, my God, there's a crisis. It happened, you know?

And like, just like the 2008 financial crisis, except I think this, whatever, comes next could stand to be like more than a recession like like like more like a depression you know and and um i just feel like man um you think you'd ever leave the country i don't no i don't i got my 44 acres in tennessee i forgot about that you fucking got a huge place in tennessee i can grow a lot of food that's my neighbors perfect fucking doomsday spot dude yeah dude my my neighbors are like they're so rad dude really like they'll be the security detail Yeah, my neighbors will be the security detail. I'll have like the farming detail.

Like, I don't know. Like it's fun. It's fun to plan it. It's fun to prepare. But in the meantime, I just feel like I'm touring so aggressively. Just, you know, I'm trying to just like just work and earn as much as I possibly can as while it's there to be, you know, make the money while it's there to be made. Yeah.

And, you know, the byproduct is that I get so much repetition in working on my show that it just improves. Yeah. You know, like, it's crazy. Like, how, like, how much my show evolves, you know, like. Do you think it gets better the more you stay? 100%. Like, like, like the more you do it every single day versus, like, taking a month off. Do you think it afterfees a lot when you take, like, a certain amount of time?

I go, like, two or three weeks on, like, like, the, you know. like one or two weeks off. Yeah, but like, do you ever get into like a groove? Does it, do you ever like after doing two weeks or three weeks? Yeah, I mean, dude, like I, I mean, you'll get to a point where it's like it's pretty like the, the evolution will slow down and now, you know, but, but this show is like still like kind of new and it's, it's pretty well established at this point. But, yeah, I'm going home to go and film more shit for it, you know?

Oh, yeah. And, and yeah, like the repetition. she makes it better. I'm just unbelievably thrilled with the quality of the show as it stands now. It's only going to get better. And the previous shows that live on my website, they're so fucked I do fucked up shit for my live comedy. So yeah, man. Amazing shit, dude. Well, thanks for inviting us out. Thanks for coming on the show, bro. We'll link everything below. Yeah, dude.