Danny Jones Podcast - #33 - Dulce Brito & Jessica Bell

Episode Date: February 12, 2020

Dulce Brito & Jessica Bell are former inmates at Coleman Federal Correctional Complex who joined the Koncrete podcast to express their first hand knowledge of the of the sexual abuse scandal at the Florida prison.  A lawsuit was recently filed on behalf of 14 female inmates at this complex which accuses the male staff of rape over a number of years. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Concrete Podcast. Today we have two guests, Dulce Brito and Jessica Bell, who are here to talk about a lawsuit filed on behalf of 14 inmates at a Florida prison, which accuses the male staff and correctional officers at the prison of sexual assault and rape over a number of years. Dolce and Jess claim to know the women in this lawsuit personally, and what's interesting is they're not backing up these women's claims, but instead they're defending the male prison staff and the Bureau of Prisons. So this podcast is loaded with mind-blowing stories. I really enjoyed it and I hope you do too. Enjoy the show. Hello ladies, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for coming

out here and doing this today. Do you guys want to introduce yourselves? Tell me a little bit about what your name is and just give us a little introduction to who you are. So I'm Jesse and I live in Myakka City and I just got out of prison about like nine months ago. I went to prison for conspiracy to distribute meth. It's like 18 pounds altogether like in the case. Wow. I work at a dairy now. Yeah, waiting to go to school in August for marine mechanics. Very cool. How about yourself? My name is Dose. I live in Suffra Hills, Florida. I went to prison for trafficking, methamphetamine across the Mexican border. I was in there for three years at Coleman, but now

I'm a server at Fresh Country Cafe. Okay, cool. How did you guys know each other? Prison. Yeah. Oh, you guys met in prison. And what prison did you guys go to? Coleman. Coleman. Wow. That's like one of the biggest prisons in the country, isn't it? It is. It's like three square miles, like a little over 2,200 acres. Choice Hotels gets you more of what you value.

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that you guys are in here today is to talk about an article that came out in the Miami Herald you guys are both very familiar with, right? Yes. The title of the article is, rape is rampant at this women's prison. Anyone who complains is punished, the lawsuit says,

and this article was published on December 4th, 2019. And what's really interesting about this article, basically the premise of the article is there's a bunch of female inmates at Coleman that are accusing correctional officers of rape. Is that right? Right. And so there's a group of women,

which makes it a class action lawsuit that are suing the Bureau of Prisons. Am I right? Right. Okay. And what's interesting is that you girls are here not to jump on the bandwagon accusing the correctional officers of rape.

What's extremely interesting is that you guys are here to defend the correctional officers and the Bureau of Prisons from what seems to be a conspiracy by these female inmates to set up the prison guards. Right. Basically. Yeah.

Kind of, yeah. That's what you guys are doing, right? Yeah. Why are you guys doing that? Can you expand on that a little bit? Like, I know a lot of the girls. A little bit closer. I know a lot of the girls, like, in the lawsuit,

and they person, okay, when, I don't know if you guys heard about the lawsuit of the, that the female officers did against the Bureau of prisons. You're talking about 2017. when there was over 500 female officers. Right.

That did a lawsuit. They filed a lawsuit basically saying that the male inmates were harassing them, right? Well, when that thing happened and everybody, like, caught wind of it, like, they wanted to do the same thing. They're like, well, if the officers can do it,

like, why can't the inmates? Right. So, like. And that, they got awarded over $20 million, right? Yeah. Between them. Who did the women officers? That's insane.

Yeah. And it was like a big thing. Like, they made, uh, In welding, they made like an arm armor thing that they were going to put the women officers in when they did count. But they didn't do it. But they changed our pants and everything. So when that happened, the girls want to do the same thing. They're like, oh, like, if they can do it, why can't we sue?

And then a lot of them, they want revenge on the system because they're mad that they're in prison. So, like, their type of revenge is getting the people that are watching us in prison. or it's like a personal vendetta against them because they got fired from their duty. So they want like revenge because they got fired off a job. So how many women are in this current lawsuit?

There's 14. 14 women who are banding together to sue the Bureau of Prisons. Yes. Okay. And did you guys personally meet any of those women? I think I know like 12 or 13 out of all 14. I know all of them.

Really? Yeah. Except for one. One name I don't recognize in the lawsuit. No. But if I probably saw a picture of her, like I probably would know her. But I don't know off name. the last one.

And how well do you know those girls? I was really close with, I want to say three of them, about three of them. Yeah. But we worked with a lot of them every day. It's tiny.

There's only like 400 girls in the prison. So everybody knows everybody. Everybody knows your business. Okay. How long were you guys locked up for? Four years. Four. I did 30, 20,

30, three months? 33 months. Okay. Why are you guys here to defend the prison guards? Why defend them? Were there something you saw in there that made you feel like this is, it's wrong that they're doing this? Well, I know it's wrong because their reasons are wrong. Like if you were raped, you're raped.

And like, that's something that would have been different. But like these girls should have came to me and told me that this was what they were going to do and they were doing it for either time cut or they wanted like, a boyfriend or something to get time cut or they just want to revenge and it's wrong like they used to come up to me and brag about it so you're bragging about it and you know you're doing it some of them are even in relationships with the officers but now you want to claim rape really when there's money about when you say they're in relationships with the officers what do you mean by that like relationships like genuine relationships yeah like they want to be together after prison really well want it to be

because I don't think they do anymore and these girls literally told you while you were in there that they would want to set up, that they would eventually want to set up the prison correctional officers? Yeah, no, they told me they were going to. When I was leaving, they told me they were going to do it. That they wanted to take them down, basically, because they were mad.

One of them that were in lawsuit, Amanda, she was mad that she was being harassed. She said because DeKamila, he was, like, investigating it, so he was, like, follow her around because she was, like, involved in everything. So she said she was feeling harassed, so she was going to sue him for harassment. She said what?

That she was feeling harassed by him because he was the investigation person that investigated everything. So if you feel harassed and he's trying to get you to talk to him and you don't want to talk to him, why talk to him later on? Like if all that was happening. Right. And like when he will follow us around, it's because like we will drop her off to these officers and she was okay with it. Or we were meeting up somebody to like get pastries. I'm serious. And she was okay with it.

But now like she got mad and now it's. Rape. Right. So now she's saying she got raped and it's a big lawsuit. Yeah. Now some of the girls in the lawsuit say that they were like cornered. They were cornered in, in the cafeteria? In the cafeteria? Yeah. The cafeteria is way too open to be cornered. Maybe in the back, but. A few of them said that they would like work late.

Like some of the officers would make them work late so they could corner them when nobody was around or they were like forced into the woods or like some of them said they had to like sun tan naked in front of the correctional officers. All that is true, but it's, it didn't happen like that. Nobody was forced. Nobody was coerced. Nobody was threatened. Nobody's family was threatened.

Like, these women 100% wanted to go in the woods or... Really? Yeah, absolutely. And you think they're all lying? I don't think that... I know the majority of them are lying. A majority of them are. Not all of them.

Right. Maybe there's a couple. Just a few. Yeah. But it is fully illegal for the correctional officers to have any sort of like sexual relationship with an inmate. Right. So there's this thing that they pass into. 2003 law called Priya and Priya stands for Prison Rape Elimination Act.

So it basically states it's like zero tolerance for any kind of sexual misconduct. So anything from a verbal comment to actually having sex is considered rape, whether it's consensual or not. Right. Right. So technically it's a perfectly legit lawsuit because it was rape. Yeah, but they weren't cornered. It is, but morally.

It's threatened. I think morally it's not. morally it's not rape I think that what the women are doing is it's not right I think that maybe they you think they're exploiting the system or exploiting the laws or the rules

right exactly why because they can say anything from just like being talked to harassed or something falls into that whole that whole category yes yeah whether it's consensual or not like it's rape these guys are hit like

they're going down Now what's happening to these girls or what's going to happen to them now that they've filed that lawsuit? Now that they're all going against the prison guards and they're going against the prison, are they going to get sent to like another facility? Are they going to suffer the consequences of doing that? Or what do you think is happening to them right now? Some of them are home and some of them got shipped. A lot of them are not at Coleman anymore.

But some of them are still there because I know there was an agreement when all this first started coming out that the girls wouldn't. be shipped so they would talk talk about it but before that yeah like you just got shipped like if they sent you somewhere else yeah if there was an investigation and it didn't go anywhere like they shipped you so it didn't show their negligence what would you say the biggest misconception in a woman's prison is what's the biggest misunderstanding of a woman's prison being a female prisoner in a big federal prison like that i feel like where we were at at least it's not like a prison i feel like i was at like College. Girls gone wild. Really?

College for criminals. Yeah. Like, I don't feel like I was in prison. So it's like the things that happened there, you don't, you wouldn't expect to happen. Imagine. Like what? The whole sunbathing, like, we did do that.

The officers were not around when I did it, at least. And then there's times where, like, we would just drive around all day, listen to music. Drive around in what? In the vehicles. On the prison? Yeah, like, they gave us keys to cars. And you could drive around on the prison property?

Yes. Yeah. Because the camp is not like, it's not like a prison at all. There's no fence. No. You're not fenced in. It's nothing to see female prisoners walking around, like, doing their job. Really?

Yeah. So we should like drive around. So girls would just walk around tan, topless, driving cars. Wait, not in, like. Pumping music. Not kind of like the camp is like the camp. So like when you're on the camp, no, because like they're watching on the cameras. But if you work like outside, like on landscaping or you worked in facility or something and you're,

or plumbing and you can have a vehicle that's what they would do. And I got a little time, one time it was raining, and we were super bored, and we took, like, the gator, and we tied a rope to the back of it, and we got a trash can top, and we just went mudding, and one of us sat on the top, and we just pulled them behind it. That's sick. And we just had, like, we just did things like that, like fun, things like that. Definitely went mudding all the time.

Yeah. Is it like that on the male side of the can? No, they're a lockdown. Well, see, the thing is, like, the whole rape thing, you're only hearing about it with the prisons. But, like, my baby daddy, he's in prison. Your baby daddy is? Yeah, at the low. And the same thing happens there, but you don't really hear about it.

The same thing with the male officers and, I mean, the male inmates and the female officers. And you don't hear about it. They have consensual relationships? Yeah. And they sleep with each other. Like, he just told me the other day that a female was escorted off the compound. A correction officer? Yeah, because she got caught with an inmate.

but like nobody hears about that part you only hear about what's happening at the camp what happens to that officer like when they get suspended and i think that's it like all the officers that are listed in the lawsuit like they they've only been like suspended or uh forced to retire early retirement or they get transferred to another prison to work yeah i don't think that people work that work in the prison system are like the cream of the crop yeah definitely not yeah because you like I mean, people that don't make it as cops, not the most, doesn't take a very ambitious person

to work in the prison system. It seems like a very depressing place to want to work. Right, because they're in prison too. Yeah, right. And if we see a lot of the officers, like, a lot of them are retarded. It's like their cousins and their duty. I'm being serious.

A lot of them are retarded. And then if you look, because we used to mow the penitentiaries and we will mow the medium and the low. So if you look at the officers that they put in those prisons compared to what we had, Like, it's a big difference. And what prisons?

At the pedicentry of the medium or the low. Okay. Officers there are totally different from what we had. We had like the tiny, nerdy guys. Why all the guys with muscles and tattoos were at the pedicentries. Right. They're working in a penitentiary. Like, they kind of knew that.

They're not going to make it over at the penitentiary. Not only that's not going to make it. They would never make it. But it was like if they put, they know if they put a good looking officer at the camp, that's what's going to happen. They're going to get like jumped by the female. Yeah, exactly. I remember one time we got our TVs taken away for a whole week because we had it. He was even cute.

They got from the training center. I do remember. Because the girls were cat calling him. So we got TV's taken away. Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah, for like a whole week. But it's funny.

I wouldn't say funny is the right word. But in the 2017 lawsuit where there's 524 women suing the Bureau of Prisons, they were saying that the women were walking. they would have to walk down the hallway and watch dozens of dudes jerking off. Which is why we had to change our pants with no they took our pants with pockets and gave us pants

without pockets. Which makes it easier in my opinion. It does. Because they were... They gave the girls pants without pockets? Everybody, the whole complex. What does that do? So that you can't, because they said that guys were putting their hands in our pockets. They cut the pockets and they put their hands in their pockets

and then they would stick their wieners through the pocket hole and then beat off when the... Exactly. So the no pockets, Like you don't have a button or anything. Right. So it's easier to put your hands in there. But, like, see, like, it's weird because, like, the female officer soon.

But when we go mowing, they do that. They stand at the windows where we're on our mowers. And they're just... They hold up signs. Seriously? Or with their inmate numbers telling you to write them. Yeah. Or they got their junk out and...

Oh, my. Like, waving it. Yeah, we had a guy named Old Faithful. Every time we mowed, he was right there waiting for us at that table. Same table every day. Why did you guys call him Old Faithful? Because he was there every day. Every time he was old.

What would you do? Just sit there and watch us and jack off. And just jack off? And would you guys ever like reported or say anything? No, to me it's funny. It's probably entertaining for you guys, right? It is. But it's like funny to me, but like, I mean, other people would probably complain about it.

So like, I feel like if they're going to sue, like, sue of that. Because that's like, for real. But like the whole rape thing, I don't believe it was rape. And I saw another story of a one. woman who was actually knocked up by a prison guard. Yeah, she was at Coleman. Do you know that lady? No.

She got shit before we got there. Okay. Do you think that that was a consensual? I mean... Yeah, they're in a relationship now. They still are in a relationship. Yeah, and the officer's wife works at Coleman, and she hates the females. Wow.

Ms. Torres? Yeah. She hates the females. So she's not allowed to work with us because she's mean. That's crazy. Did you guys ever think, I mean, What was your first reaction when you first saw that come out, that article? Did you guys?

I laughed. I just, it's crazy. Did you know it was like that before you guys went there? No. I remember the day that I went in and I was in R&D, the mail officer told me that it was like a college. And I was like, don't worry. It's not scary. It's like a college.

You couldn't tell me that kind of stuff happened when I first got there. But the first day I had somebody come up to me. And they're like, oh, we see me, so-and-so, it was her boss. And she's like, we're sleeping together. And I'm like, what? That was another inmate, I said that? So it's just like a common thing. Yes.

It's just like a college dorm. For the inmates and correctional officers just humping everywhere. Yeah. For the 14 women, I guarantee you that are on the lawsuit, there's another 28 or are not more in the bob. That have had sexual relations with officers and so. Because I know a lot that are not in the lawsuit. which like I find that that's okay because they and they got caught and they got in trouble and some of them got shipped and then went to county but they're not in the lawsuit why don't you think

some of them are in the lawsuit why do you think so they know it's not rape yeah they chose you chose you chose if you wanted to be there or not and they I felt like they knew it wasn't rape so they they don't want a part of it you would think though it's got to be hard if you're in there and there's all these other girls doing it like hey we're going to get all this we're going to get millions to not just join them be like okay I'll I'll I'll I'll join you in the lawsuit if I get a piece of it what's a hundred grand screw it you know what I mean it's hard to say that I don't know maybe their morals are are higher than that but exactly is that what is that the case I think that's what it comes down to yeah or some of them just don't want it out

there like they take it to the grave okay yeah I can see that so what is the like the Bureau of Prisons doing to fight against it what are they said anything I think everything is the same right now I think that um they really can't yeah yeah because it's It's hard. There's not really, it's right regardless. If there's, if enough girls come, come out and say that they had sexual relations with these guys at some point, it's like whether it was consensual or not, it's against the rules and they're going to have to pay. And there's no point. There's no way to prove it now because like the ones, the officers that were involved in a lawsuit, kind of were sleeping with inmates. So it's easy. Like if I was sleeping with an officer and I wanted to sue, I slept with him, so I know what everything looks like. So I could tell her what it looked like. So it's easier for her. her to say. You mean like what does junk look like? Yeah.

Okay. So it's easier for her to describe it when the investigation comes because half those girls I know really didn't have sex with them. But it's easier because there's a lot of officers that are not involved that did have sick of inmates. That they're throwing them under the bus either way. No, there's some that are not in, that did have sex with them and they're not listed. They're not listed.

Oh, really? Yes. And it's harder to prove because not everybody talks about them. So you can't say that the officer from Unicorn, you can't really describe it if nobody tells you what looks like. He was a typical people. Is that like a main question they asked? Yeah.

To identify the guy? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. If you claim rape, you got to tell them how it looks like. Or they try to get you to set them up. Oh, yeah.

Did anything like that happen when you guys were locked up? Yeah. Who was it? It was leaving R&D on their way out. And she agreed to set one of the officers up. And she actually got a seaman sample on her. shirt or something she saved it and he's hit what do you think these girls i mean have you guys been speaking like out against us publicly at all before they no yeah posted on facebook and a lot of them deleted me

because i called them liars yeah i said they were liared and they don't like it they can delete me so they did wow well they definitely are taking advantage of the laws you know whether it was consensual or not there's no way that they're not going to win or they're not going to get a settlement Oh, they're definitely going to win. They're definitely going to get a settlement, right? Right. But I don't see how it's going to change anything in the prison system. I don't see that.

I don't see, do you guys see any way that the prison system will ever change in the near future or even down the road? I don't. Because when the female officer sued, nothing changed. They changed our pants, and that was it. That was it. So the no pockets? Yeah, no pockets. And it did nothing.

They still do it. You arrested for possession or trash. trafficking of meth, right? And yours was distribution. Distribution. You crossed the Mexican border with it from Mexico to here. With how much? With 15 kilos.

Just you? No, me and my best friend. Were you living in Mexico at the time? No, living in Vegas. You just went down there, picked it up, and we're bringing it back. Pretty much. How do you get caught? How did that situation become?

I had a friend that she was involved with it. And then she told me and I was young. I was like, well, I'm still young, but I was younger. How old were you at the time? 19. Okay. And I thought that it would be a great idea because, like, they were just flashing around money and they were promising all these things, like nice cars and houses and a lot of money.

Like, it was a lot of money. They paid you. How much? When you brought it over, right? Yeah. How much did you get paid? So you get 15,000. It's not that much, but.

It's a nice lick. Yeah. I mean, for just to cross it. But then on top of that, they're just giving you money like every single day. Like thousands of dollars. Who's actually giving you the money? The people. Like the cartel or?

Basically, the people that were organizing all of it were giving you money. Like they paid off my bank account because I was like overdrafted. They gave me money to go shopping. They gave you money to get things in Mexico. Like they paid for the car, everything. Right, they want to keep you happy. So you'll keep bringing out of a cost. They'll buy you cars.

They'll do whatever you want. Whatever you want. And this was a regular thing. You were crossing the border, bringing in. No, I only went twice. Oh, okay. You got a bus the second time? Yeah.

Tell them how you got caught. Yeah. How were you transporting it? Like, how were you hiding it? They have, I forgot, they call it, but they call it something. And they, like, basically, like, build a compartment inside the car. Mm-hmm. And they hide it in there.

Okay. So when we got caught, like, I probably wouldn't, never even went to prison. But the border was closed, and I didn't, like, it was my second time. Like, I don't know what to do when the border is closed. Yeah. So I see everybody going one way. So I went that same way. Well, that way is like a century lane.

And you need a special pass to go in that lane. And I didn't know that. So when you go in that lane and you don't have the pass, you automatically have to go to secondary inspection. Oh, no. So that's how we got caught. Like secondary, we had to go through the X-ray. And then the X-ray didn't see anything instead of the car.

So then they're doing the, they're asking us questions, everything. They're checking the car. They brought the K-9. K-9 didn't smell anything in the car. Well, they knew it because one of the density levels and the seats were different. One was like 13 and another one was like higher. So they knew since the density levels were higher on one side there was something in it. So they had like shred

the car in pieces and they got it and then of course we were arrested. Wow. So you arrested the board then where do they take you from there? Immigration. Yeah. And how long are you there for? I was there for a day but it was like worse ever because you're in a room with kids that have lies. With kids? Yeah. Like how old kids? Kids, all the kids from immigration where they're like there were babies there. And the way the immigration was set up, like you're sleeping on the floor. Kids and all. And they have like diapers and bottles and everything that you need here.

They feed you cold food. It was horrible. And I was only there for a couple hours. And it was horrible. There's literal babies in there. Babies and immigration. And how are they taking care of the babies? With the things that the people.

Are their parents there? Yeah. Okay. They're there with their parents. Oh, okay. Either waiting for paperwork or waiting to get deported. But they're there with the parents. But they have lice and it was kind of creepy.

because you're passing through the rooms and there's literally one room set up where the mom and the kids and the mom's brushing the lights out of their hair it's like bad and then they feed you like bricks bricks and it's like it's tortilla and it's cold and it's cold eggs and it's cold potatoes

and you got a certain amount of time to eat it and then the marshes came and got us and took us through the airport which was probably the most embarrassing thing ever and then why was it embarrassing? Because you're going to the airport and they walk you through with cups and everything. Yeah and they're walking you through so everybody knows like You just got arrested.

And they took us to MCC, which is a prison in California. And then... State prison? No, it's a federal holding detention. And then they ship you to Florida? No, we got out on bond. And then we were out for like a year or two. And then we got sentenced.

What, you took to trial or? No, I did not take a trial. Everybody told me that to take a trial because you automatically get the max. Yeah, if when you lose. Yeah. No, like, they'll find something to put on you. Oh, they'll figure it out. Like, even if you didn't get arrested for that, they're finding something to get you with.

Yeah, because there's no way that they could, there's no way that they could afford to take cases to trial. So they just, they just kind of like lie and stack stuff to make it to where you have no choice but to take a plea. Yeah, because we were going to take a trial at first because the car wasn't under my name. Like, how can you, how can you prove that I knew it was in there? Right. So I was going to take a trial. But everybody told me not to. So I just took the plea agreement.

And the plea was for what, what did you say two years? The plea was actually for a year and a day. Okay. And they gave me three years. And then shipped you to Coleman? No, I moved to Florida because my family was here because I was pregnant. And then, uh, they let me have the baby and then I had a self-surrender at Coleman. And that's where you did in the remainder of your time, yeah.

Mm-hmm. And how about you? What was your, how did you, what was your story of how you got arrested or got busted? Really. I was just, I was kind of brought up a little bit, a little bit closer. brought up around drugs most of my life. So it was just kind of like normal for me to get some and sell it and make some money. In Florida? Yeah.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. So were you like cooking math or what? No, I never cooked meth. No, we had this guy that we got it from, his name was Wild Man. Wild man. Yeah.

Okay. And you just distributed it? Yeah. And how did you get caught distributing it? I guess the county that we were in had been trying to get this guy, Wildman, for a while, and they couldn't for some reason or the other. So they brought in DEA and the feds eventually got involved. Yeah.

And how long were you in prison for? Four years, almost four years. Almost four years. Yours almost doesn't even seem as bad as hers. And you got more time. Right. How did that happen? I don't know how it works.

I know that they look at your stuff and they decide. And they decide differently for everybody. Really? And conspiracies more. Like conspiracies, I think automatically five years. And then like the judge was kind of like lenient because it's common to see young girls get pulled over in Mexico. Yeah, because the young, because I could say, I could see how someone like yourself, like trafficking something or like driving a car full of meth, not really a high level target in like the whole operation. You're just kind of like a pawn.

You're just like, here's some cash. Do this for us. They want to catch the big guys. Yeah. So they were basically saying that we were like young and naive and we were just like the tiny people that they use basically to like get what they wanted. Right. I'm just like I'm lucky that we had what we had and that's something different because you don't know what you're bringing in the car back. Like you don't even know what you had. No. You just get the car and you bring it. You You can bring money, you bring it anything. You don't know. You just go down there with a car.

And they take it from you. They load it up and they bring it back. And then you just got to drive it back. You don't even know where it's at. So they, what are the instructions? Like that, basically. This guy just says, go to this address. They say, go to Mexico.

Go to the first gas station you see by a track phone. Then you do that. And then you call him. And then he says, okay, now go to this place, someone's going to be waiting for you. So we do that. Then they say, get in this taxi, which is kind of like, now I think about it. Like, I probably could have died. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then we meet this, some other guy, and they take us to a hotel, and then we leave the car at the bottom with the keys inside, and they pick up the car. And then they bring the car back. And then the next day, we got to get the car washed, and we got to go shopping to make it look like we did something in Mexico. And then we leave, and that's it. Sounds like an episode of that locked up a broad show. Yeah.

That's like how all those are things. Right. That's pretty much. And then, like, they were ready waiting for us at the border because somebody snitched us out because she got caught first. And so you're with one other girl? I was with my best friend, but we didn't know that they sent two of us at the same time, like two vehicles. So they sent two vehicles at the same time, same hotel, same everything. Well, she got caught first.

Crossing the border? Crossing the border. And she knew what car we were in. So she snitched us out. Oh, no. Yeah. So they were already waiting. No, she was in the car with me.

Oh, okay. The other car snitched you. So they knew. Like, I feel. Like even if I wasn't in secondary, I mean, in that lane, I probably would have got caught. They probably would have found you. Yeah. What happened to your best friend?

Did she get the same time you did? Same thing. Now, when you guys got out of prison, like, was there any kind of special, any kind of, like, special treatment or any kind of, like, structure set up for you guys to, like, build a new life once you guys got out, like, like, jobs or any kind of income or any kind of housing or what was there when you guys finally got released? Like what did you guys have to do? Do you mean like through the BOP?

Yeah, like through the BOP? Through like the system, did they help you guys get back on your feet in any way or give you guys any sort of like guidance? Like you go to the halfway house and that's basically to help you get back on your feet. You have to get a job and yeah, but I don't think, I don't even think it helps us.

We got pay, right? Like a lot of our check to stay there, which I'd rather not even stay there. You got to eat their, food if you don't like it you got to buy something different they don't help you find jobs there's no resources at all like through them they just give you a piece of paper that tells you where who's hiring and then you got to go buy yeah i don't even think they give you bus passes if you don't have a car i think the first time the very first time you get a bus pass but then that's that you got figured out

yeah and that's it and then they give you like a voucher to shop at goodwill the very first time oh really yeah and that's it that's crazy it's almost like they want people to get sucked back into the system that's kind of how i feel like even prison even i can definitely see that like we've had uh our unit manager she used to tell us it was a job security like for her right to get him just coming back she wants you to come back yeah really yeah she used to see that with him and she did they don't help you the councilors don't help you the case managers don't help you i probably they just don't care there's so many of us though like and they're understaffed and they don't care they just push your paperwork and get you out

They just kind of show up. They just show up and do your job. They barely show up. And when they do show up, they hide from you. They don't want to talk to you. They barely do open house. Yeah. They don't want to help.

That's sad. Really is sad. It's fucked up system. It is sad because it's super hard to get back out and on your feet. Like, that is the reason why a lot of people go back is you don't have the resources. You don't have the help that you need. Right. And would you say most of the girls that were in there with you guys in there for drugs?

Yeah, or fraud. Drugs or fraud? Yeah. If there were any young girls out there who are getting busted for anything, whether it be drug trafficking or whatever, they're about to go spend a lot of time in prison, what advice would you give them? Think about your consequences. What does that mean? Like, before you do it, if you're going to take drugs across the border or just don't get arrested, don't go to prison. Well, what about, like, if they're about, if they have no choice, they're already busted, they're going to prison, they're going to do.

They're going to, they have four. I don't go to Coleman. They got, don't go to Coleman. I'm serious. You got like, if I didn't, if I didn't have kids,

I probably wouldn't have learned my lesson because it's not like a real present. So the reason why I learned my lesson is because I have kids. So I was away from them. So it was hard. But if I didn't have kids, I wouldn't have mind being there because I had fun sometimes. Right.

And being in there didn't really. It didn't like, doesn't discipline you. No. When you get up. It's like a game. And you meet like some really good people, but really nobody's your friend.

Yeah. Nobody's your friend. Well, you guys made friends. You had a baby daddy too, though, right? Wasn't that hard? Not seeing him? Because, I mean, a lot of people say that when they go in there and they have like a wife or a girlfriend that they will like cut it off beforehand because they know that just like the pain of not being able to see them or like being jealous of them like cheating on them is too much. So they just end it before they go in.

Well, the guy that I was talking about earlier, I wasn't with him when we were in. Okay. When I was in Coleman. Okay. Yeah. But that is true. It just makes your time easier. You're not worried about what they're doing.

You don't have to worry about if they don't answer the phone. And you only get 300 minutes a month. So if you're worried about a boyfriend, like, you're measuring gone in one day. You're done. And you're done for the whole month. The next 29 days, you're just like. Right, you're just waiting to talk. Yeah.

And how many kids did you have? I had two. You had two? Did you see, did you, they visit you at all when you were in? Oh, okay. Yeah, they have children day and stuff like that. Oh, really? For the kids, yeah.

Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Was there any bad times in there for you guys? Like, with the prison guards, did they ever try to pursue relationships with you or guys or have sex with them? There was never any kind of forceful, like, situations where you guys felt kind of like vulnerable? No, I don't think so. Really? No, they basically.

Because they put all the nerdy prison guards in there, right? Yeah. Is that what you said earlier? Yeah. And these guards, they basically know, like, which females, they. they can mess with or not. Like, because they're throwing themselves. Sometimes, like, I've had an officer tried to hold my hand, but I'd be like, no,

and that's it. So I don't feel like, that's why I don't feel like it's force because it's the same officer that was in there. Right. They put just the scrawny little nerds like me and him in there as prison guards. All the Jack's gorillas with tattoos are over at the men's prison. Right. So that's why you feel like all these women are pretty much lying on the case and, I don't

like they're consensual. Right. Well, I know a lot of them were consensual. Like I know, like, I've had these girls come up to me and tell me that they were doing it. Well, I mean, it's crazy. It means a lot that you guys are coming on here and saying that. You know, not that you guys really have any kind of dog in the fight, not that you guys really care if the prison saves money or if those girls get paid money.

I think it's really controversial that you guys are sticking up for the Bureau of Prisons and the prison. They're correctional officers versus the women and saying that they're lying. just the fact that you guys are exposed in the truth, I think it's important. It's admirable. The truth is the truth, and you guys are exposing it for what it is.

Exactly. That's what I think. What's right is right. Are there any other notable stories that you think would be interesting for people to hear? Let's tell them about the time we went hog hunting. Okay. In the camp at Coleman?

Yeah. Did they give you guys guns? No, we're like, no. No, that's like another charge. But we were bored one day, and they are, like, you're in, what is it, used to be a wildlife sanctionary? There's a conservation. It's like 200 and some acres of just, it's for, um, gopher turtles and indigo snakes, but there's a lot of, like, wildlife. There's hogs.

There's foxes. Coyotes. They used to have wild horses, but they had to get rid of them. Oh, really? No, for real. Yeah. Why they get rid of the horses? Because it's, what was like a lawsuit, like insurance?

Like, somebody got hit by horse. Like I'm serious Run over by a horse Yeah they said it was like an insurance thingy That they couldn't have the horses there So they had to get rid of the wild horses So how did you guys

How did you guys go hog hunting without a gun? So hogs are dangerous Yeah I mean they're all right As long as you approach them from the rear What are you hunting them with? They just grabbed them like You were just trying to wrestle one down?

Yes Yeah they were bored Well we were waiting to go Where we went We were going to go where we went We were mowing somewhere And we were waiting We went, we were in the gator.

Yeah. It was the gator? It was the gator. And we were in the gator and I was in the middle. I don't remember where I was at, but I remember I had hot coffee and it went everywhere. And then the spider came and I was yelling because the spider was like, it was like a big spider. And it was like on the gator while she's driving and I felt like she was going to crash. And then they just hop out of the gator and catch these little piggies. And the piggies are crying.

The mama ran away somewhere. So you're catching like the little baby hogs? Yeah. Yeah. Did you catch one? They caught one. What'd you do with it? They let it go.

I mean, you can't really do anything with it. Like, we can't take it. It was just for the sport. You can't bring it in your... Catch and release. Yeah.

They tried to catch an armadillo one time. Have you ever tried to chase an armadillo? Yeah, I have tried to chase an armadillo. Help. They're crazy. They are crazy. Well, my uncle has this driveway where there's like a, there's like a sewer, a ditch sewer that goes like underneath the driveway.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So he would chase it into one end of it, and then he'd wait on the other. for it to come out and he had a pitchfork. And he pitchforks the armadillo's on the other side. And he flings him into the woods. Oh, you didn't eat it?

He's a crazy redneck. No, he just killed it. Remember this other time. We go, there's a, in the complex, there's a, what was it, not the training center. Where they shoot everything at? The shooting range. Oh, the shooting range. Of course.

Okay, so there's shooting range there. And sometimes we'd be mowing, and they'd be having those little bombs on a floor, and they, like, what is it, inside of it, a pepper spray or something? It's CS gas is what it is. C. They leave it. They leave everything on the floor. So if you, like, run over it, like, you're crying.

No. Yeah. But we used to go to the shooting range because there's no cameras. They really can't see you in there. And we used to have water fights there, flipping slides. In the shooting range? In a shooting range. Oh, my God.

And there's the big hill in the back. Yeah. You know, to catch the bullets. So, yeah, they set up slip and slide and everything. Like, chicks are in their sports brawls. And slipping around? Slip and sliding. Is this where the Girls Gone Wild scene comes in?

Is that what you guys were talking about? Girls Gone Wild? Not only that. We have parties for Halloween and New Year's. And all the units go into one unit. And we have a multipurpose room. And they all go to multipurpose room. Everybody's dressed up.

Some are not even dressed up. Where did you guys get your costumes? They make it. They make them. Yeah, like paper. What were you got? What was your costume? No, we didn't dress up.

So there was this one girl. She literally had a string because, you know, you could crochet in there. And a lot of girls made their own outfits, but this one girl had two paper pumpkins and a string, and that was it. Like, yeah. Or the laundry bag. Do you know, like, a net laundry bag? Yeah. Like a mesh bag?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she had that. Just that. Just that, yeah. Wow. And they go into a multipurpose room, and we play music, and they, like, dance. They give each other, lab dances. They, uh...

The girls do? Yeah. So how many girls are in there at that party? 400. No, not everybody, because they can't have that. has a lot of old people. A lot of old people. Probably about half.

There's, it's packs. So there's like 100 or 200 women in it. Yeah. Yeah. Just, yeah. How many girls would you say were like your guy's age? Like 20s?

I was the youngest. You were the younger? Yeah, Jocelyn was afterwards, but I was the youngest. Probably. Probably about half. Really? It's pretty evenly range. Like, what depends on what age?

Like 30 through 20, I want to say like, for like 30 girls. The rest are like in a year. A little older. Yeah. Okay. Were any of the old women, like, walking around with pumpkins on their boobs without any kind of, like, scantily clad? I don't think so. No, but what did happen was, um, there was an older lady.

She had been down for a long time. She had, like, life. I don't remember her name. Juanita. Yeah. So, so this girl, she's dancing and stripping and they pull Juanita out and set this chair up and set her in it. And this girl just, like, going to town.

She used to be a stripper on a street. Oh, really? Yeah. Dancing on her and, like, this chick she like licks her back Juanita licked her back Yeah it was serious Why she's into her

Was there any like Drugs or alcohol ever So we were on lockdown when I first got there I don't think you were there yet We were on lockdown for fresh I don't say a month maybe I'm not gonna say forever For like month

But it felt like forever Because they found I want to say a pound of meth In one of the warehouses A pound of meth in the pallets Yeah so they don't know It could have been an officer Because I don't see an inmate

doing it. Yeah, what would an inmate do with a pound of meth? Well, they were trying to get it to the men's inside the mess. So it was in a palette that we do the boxes that go into the men's prison. So it was like in one of the shipments, pretty much. And somebody found it and snitched it out. So an officer is not going to say they did it. Right, of course. But I'm pretty sure it was an officer.

Because why would, like, we're not getting paid for it. Right. Like, they are. What about, like, contraband? Was there like a lot of contraband going around in there where they're like, where, like, girls, like, trying to figure out how to, like, smuggle dildos into the prison? So, I don't know about dildos, but, like, everything's, everything's contraband. Earrings that they don't sell there is contraband.

Pannies are contraband. Really? Anything that they don't sell on commissary is contraband. Okay. So there was, like, there's some girls, like I told you, they would sleep with officers for, like, earrings. Like, the little $5 packets, like, buy eclairs. Yeah. And then they would sell every individual earrings for $5.

And then there were some girls that, um, that, you would be able to, you know, They will get Suboxinin and girls will buy Suboxins. What else? I know that. Candy. Stupid things like that. Gummy worms. That you don't get on commissary.

They will get it from the officers. Big thing. Eyelashes were big. Like, makeup. So is this some of the reason that, is this part of the reason that some of the girls would sleep with the guards because they'd bring them presents like that?

Like contraband? Wow. They would sleep with them first and then slowly. So the guard, oh my God. So he's like bringing her gifts. Yeah. Yeah.

Like instead of flowers, you bring her some gummy worms. Yeah. Or alcohol or cigarettes. Cigarettes. We had one that was pretty young. And, like, I knew her. And we were close there. She was not in the lawsuit.

And she was doing with officers for, like, lobster. Lobsters. She bringing a lobster. That girl was living. And, like, she, like, she, everybody knew about it pretty much. This dude was going to red lobster. Yeah. That girl cheese.

And she would just do it. for that and then she got her friend involved like a girl came on a compound she thought the girl was pretty and she told her hey this is what i'm doing i think you're pretty gonna come join me and that's when the threesomes came involved and then they were both getting things and then other girls will get jealous and snitched them out and snitch on them yeah and then they got ships because they're doing it they're not in a lawsuit though but we knew they were doing it wow that's crazy it's so insane because you think that Any normal person without any kind of knowledge of what you guys are talking about that would see that article, they're like, oh my God, we knew those girls get raped in prison.

That's so fucked up. You know what I mean? You would just assume that girls are getting to take advantage of someone who didn't know what it was actually like. Right. So it's crazy to hear these stories from you guys. And there's a lot of girls that know it's a lie. Like when I posted it on my Facebook, a lot of people were like, oh, my God, poor girls. And then me and a couple girls that weren't common were like, no, like no poor girls.

They knew what they're doing. Poor guys. Right. Some of them. There were a lot of girls that were in Coleman that know it's a lie. That's heavy. Did you guys ever get caught with any contraband or anything? We had a lot of drops.

Like I told you that I had, what I didn't tell you guys, I had a cell phone where I was in prison, had it for a long time. I had it from November to July. And I felt like that's why Di Camilla, he was an investigator. I felt like that's why he was following us. I didn't know at first. it was because de Miro was sleeping with an officer. I felt like he was following us because he knew we had phones

and he wanted to get the phones. And so we got rid of, well, we didn't get rid of them. What happened was we buried them? And we forgot what we buried them at. They could not find them. We could not find it. We tore up the woods so bad. Like if he walked back there, it looked like animals where there.

Like there was holes everywhere. Have you ever seen that movie holes? Oh, yeah. That's what it was like two weeks digging. Trying to find the phones. We could not find it. So it was like a free fraud. I mean, it wouldn't be hard to like

just go outside and call somebody, right? Like, it's pretty easy to hide a phone. Or you could just be in your room and call somebody. Really? Yeah. So the most thing you have to worry about is somebody, like your neighbor or somebody? Like an iPhone? Or are we talking like a Nokia brick phone?

No, it's not like I had like a phone. Like a smartphone. Yeah. Where do you get the phone? People drop them? And then you pick them up. When they come visit you, and because we worked landscape outside facilities, like, you know, it's just

free range. You go on the road and they drop it. You pick it up. Oh, so they just toss it somewhere in the grass or something. And who tosses it? The people? Like, whether you ask. Oh, like, people that you guys know that would come visit you.

Right. Oh, I got it. I got it. Wow. Yeah, I had a... I heard the drones would drop shit in sometimes into prisons. I don't know. Not an arm.

Maybe, like, a fenced in prison. Like, the men. That would make sense. Too much work for what you guys were doing. It was too easy to just, you could actually even meet somebody and just like, here, you know? Literally, like, I remember one time we were driving and we saw this car and we know, like, everybody that, you guys. Not people that work there, but the cars that are allowed to be driving around are all white.

Okay. They're looking one of them are white and they have a number M something, like M4, M27. They're all tagged. But we saw like this golden van, and he was probably dropping something off for somebody. But we followed him all the way. Like he was walking around there. Did we follow him? He didn't drop nothing off.

I'm pretty sure he ended up dropping something because those girls in the articles took it. And then somebody else snitched on them. Not about taking the drop, but that they're something with officers. Because they got mad, that their drop that took. So there's no fences at this place You could just like drive by In the camp there's no fences Like the penetrantries fenced in

The medium fenced in and the lowest fenced in Everything else you can just drive And it's open complex you can just drive inside of it That's crazy And people live there On the little boy that rides his bike Like what lives on the complex Yeah

He drives his bike We used to drive right next to him What do you have like a house There's houses everywhere There's little kids play outside There's like little play sets on the complex, like right next to, like, the penitentiary, actually. Yeah, they bought up all the houses on the property, and, like, they turned them into, like,

the mail house or... Safety house. Safety house. Sort house. Haunted house. They turn one of the houses into a haunted house for the staff and their kids. And if you go in there, it's, like, actually, like, a haunted house. I remember we went in there one time?

We're not allowed in there, but we went in there. And I was scared because the floor shakes and everything. It's, like, there's, like, clowns in the... So it's, like, a real deal. Yeah. She's scary, though. So girls would just like, even though it was so wide open, you could easily just walk off and just disappear. And you don't.

What would keep the girls from staying in and not running, just leaving? Why? Added five years to your sentence. It's not more. It's not that bad there. It's really not. Yeah. So you might as well just do the time and get it, get it behind you.

What about the guys part of the camp? That's there too? They don't have a camp at home. They have a low and they can go outside to, like, wreck, but they're still fenced in. Right. So you could see him like when you're outside? Really? Like we used to mo.

And they would cat call you and talk to you? Yeah. Well, see, the perimeter, they have perimeters there. And if you got caught talking to them, you get in trouble. Yeah. But they have primitives. Like, a lot of them will talk to us from there. But usually they weren't like lined up pulling their pants down.

So they don't. Hey, girl. When you go inside, because it's like, it's like the complex and then it's fence. Well, then there's a no man's land where the inmates can't go into. So we have to go inside. mow it but there's another fence for where they're at like they're wrecking stuff when we're in there mowing you can see their motai like literally if i'm on the weed eater i can look up and there'll be like a guy right here and all is blocking us is the wall in the window and he can talk

to you so they'll be lined up in the motie and it's all glass windows the multi is basically like a big room where they have like computers and everybody just kind of hangs out a lot of tables and it'll be there lined up with signs and with their penis out like i would be embarrassed as a guy because like Everybody has it out. Right. And they're just all talking to you. They're all just next to each other with their dicks out. Yeah.

They're telling you to bounce on the mower. They're like. Yeah. What are the signs? They're literally like. To call them. To write them. Oh, like call me or writing.

It made numbers. A lot of them just want to talk to you. They're like barbarians, dude. It's bad. Just like literal like baboons. Yeah. I had a friend that she used to go in there and do things on purpose. Like she'll suck her thumb.

Oh, just so like, She'll suck with them. Right in front of them. She'll suck her thumb. She'll play with her boobs. She will, like, bounce extra. Like, because you're already bouncing on the more. Yeah.

But she would, like, bounce extra. That's fucked. Those guys are probably loving it. They are. You know they were. Yeah. What is the most fucked up thing either of you guys saw the whole time you're in there? Like, the one thing that's just like you cannot unsee that.

I feel like you got something, Jesse. So, I mean, just there was these two girls. And, I mean, it's, it's not, like, unusual to see two girls going at it, but the two girls that it was, like, these very large, very large girls. And they were just going to town. It was bad. What were they doing? They were having sex. Like, what, like, scissoring each other?

I don't even know. There was so much going on. Like, it was so much you did everywhere. Oh, my God. It was so bad. And where are they doing that out? In their room? In their bunk, yes.

You just walk by and you see it going down. Yeah, you see that a lot. And I think that's pretty a too. And they consider that really. Lots of lesbians in there? Yeah. And they, well, not a lot, actually. Not even that they're lesb.

They're just doing it because they're inside, right? A lot of girls are gay for the stay. Gay for the stay. Like I know this girl, she's still in prison. She got shipped. She was only with her girlfriend because her girlfriend had money and would buy her commissary. Right.

But money in the books and stuff. Yeah, exactly. And she'll, like, send money to her family and everything. Really? Then we have officers. Some of them are listed in there. But he would buy, like, McDonald's for the girls,

coffee in the morning. The little things in life. Yeah, like, but the thing is, like, we don't have that every day. So, like, a lot of girls take advantage of it,

but, like, an officer will bring you coffee that you don't have inside. Right. You kind of, like, you want more, and, like,

I don't know. It's like, I never did anything with an officer. And I feel like I didn't have to because I had officers buy me things all the time. And I didn't do anything with them.

Like, I know I used to. So you were the exception. Not that, like, I worked at Unicorn and I was the distribution manager at Unicorn. I had to oversee the whole warehouse. So like if they asked me to do something, like if they need a report, like right there and that, and like I want you to bring me in Arizona.

I'm like a Mucho Mango, Arizona, and then I'll do it for you. And then they'll bring it to me. My boss is new. I had a phone and didn't snitch on me. Really? Yeah. Like a lot of them, like, I grew bonds with my bosses. Like, and it kind of sucks because, like, you don't really, like.

You kind of became friends with it? them yeah and it sucks because like you really can like talk to them on outside because when you leave yeah yeah at least not for like do you miss any of them do you miss them yeah really yeah aw yeah yeah yeah i miss my old bosses um one of them went to i don't know where he went he went to a different one he was only in the female prisons for like a year and he said he hated it he rather work with juveniles and he says they're the worst they throw shit at you they like literally shit juveniles yeah yeah yeah He says they were the worst, but he rather work there because he said that he knows what women's consist of. He knows that a girl can say, hey, he did this, and that's it, he's done.

So he didn't want to be there. Right, too much risk. Yeah. That he didn't want to be there at all. I got really close to him. When I had my phone, I got on Facebook one time and put Merry Christmas. And he was on my Facebook for some reason. I don't know why.

And he told me to delete it because he's seen it, and he knew I had a phone. And I did. but they were either your buddy or they knew that you knew something that would compromise them so yeah yeah they either like really cared about you or they knew that if i get you fired or if i tell on you you're gonna take me down type thing yeah god that's crazy yeah it's almost like yeah like you always got a like you always got a target on your back if you're a correctional i'll start at the women's prison because like if any of them get pissed at you they can just make up a story and get you axed

But not only like an officer, like I told you, I was the manager there, and there's two girls, they didn't like me at all. And it's because they wanted my job. And, uh, which I don't like, I didn't care about it's a prison job. We got paid 13 cents an hour. Like, I don't, I don't care about that. Um, but they wanted it. And, uh, so she said that she was going to send me to county. And we all know what that means.

She was going to say that I was going to say that was a people, an officer. And she did. She was going to say what? That was a person to get me sent to county. And she did. And I got sent to, uh, Di Camilla. And he asked me. And I told him no.

because I really wasn't. And then that was it. But like, if he wanted to, he could have took me to county. And I could have got shipped just because of something that somebody else said. Oh, yeah, that happens. All the time. I got sent a county for 40 days over this. Yeah.

They just say, like, they can say you've seen it or that they've seen you do it. And you're going to county. And that's it. Like, no questions to ask until you get to county. Are there a lot of female correctional officers in there in the women's side? Yeah. No, it's about even. We have a clonon.

I feel like the female officers have got to be bitches. Some of them are. Some of them are, some of them are not. Like, we had one. She was a Coke head. Like, she did Coke, like, bad, bad. And she picked and chose who she wanted. Like, you can't go to other units.

So I would, I live in F3 and they live in F2. So if I wanted to go F2, I had to go out of bounds and I can get in trouble. So it all depends with the officers. Like, I thought when she caught me, that's it. Like, I was getting a shot. But she didn't. Like, she just said, I know you're not from this unit. So you owe me one, basically.

That's what she told me. What does that mean? Like, if she wants to, she wants me to do something I got to do for her afterwards, basically. It might be something stupid. Like, it might be, like, help her take another inmate down or, like, do, like, extra work for her. Like, do something, like, stupid. Yeah. Too much mangoes.

But it would be, like, stuff like that. And then we had some officers that didn't care if he went out of bounds. Yeah. Like, on the Christmas party, was the Christmas New Year's party? The officer came upstairs and straight up told us that he didn't care. He knew we were all out of bounds. He just wanted to stay inside to the cameras and see us. He said stay off cameras and that's it.

I can't see them being assholes. We had some. Really? Like trying to like, like trying to assert their dominance or authority in like a female. Really? Yeah, Mr. Simmel. The white one was at him. I was scared of him.

And I was only scared because I had a phone. And he was so sneaky. Like he was like he wanted to catch somebody to do something. He would hold his keys. Because when they will walk, their keys dangle. So you can hear them coming. So he would hold his key so you can't hear him. and he would like look over like he would go on somebody else's cubicle and look over the wall to see what you were doing like he was creepy he was creepy about philps phelps he uh walked if you we can't like wash her clothes by hands and dry them so if you were like washing your panties he will walk in your room and grab your panties with a pencil and walk around the whole unit with them during count yeah i swear

just to like just to like he just to like if somebody would if he was in there i would have believed it because he was weird yeah he was super creepy but the women push him out like yeah they know what to say they get you out they know the officer out they don't like you like you're not gonna last like the mean ones don't ask because they write copouts i'm serious they write like papers and then they send it to like the warden and like the higher authorities lying they get them out of yeah so the women really do run the prison pretty much yeah that's wild pretty much they're like yeah the girl officers don't even like being with us. Like, nobody likes, I feel like their worst part of the day is working at the camp.

Nobody likes working at the camp. No. No. They don't. They hate it. But even if it was all women, like, you still have that issue, too, because there was female guards having relationships too. Yeah.

With the women? Yeah. Gay, female officers having relationship with females. Really? Yeah. Are there any women? Yeah. In that case?

No. No. No. There's one. Seven men, yeah. Seven male officers. It was my old bunkey. She was in a relationship with.

A female there. Really? Mm-hmm. And I knew about it. Like, I used to buy, when she left, I would buy her girlfriend, like, candies and shit from the commissary. I don't know why, because she can get it herself. She's an officer. But I used to do it.

Are you guys allowed to stay in touch, or do you stay in touch with anybody that's in? We're really not allowed to stay in touch. You're not allowed because you're on probation, whatever. Yeah. But you would, though, because you made some friends. Yeah, I made some pretty good friends. And, like, my case, like, I've asked my probation officer to talk to a lot of the girls. So I'm sure it helps them too.

Like, I'm sure like giving them some sort of like inspiration for when they get out or to keep in touch with them really helps them. Yeah. Just that support. Yeah, definitely. It goes a long way in there. Yeah. Because like in there, like we really didn't have anybody besides each other like in there. So it's kind of like how can you like lose that bond?

Yeah, for sure. I don't have a video with my phone. But I used to have videos of when I had my phone of the camp. I used to take videos of like the girls on the gators. Oh. You mean when you were in there you were video and with the phones? Yeah. You could have started like you're on YouTube channel

I could have So funny Hey guys, it's Dolce Just on the gator hog hunting today But we made trails in there We used to go into gators And like I will videota I'm in a truck, listen to music

And somebody else you're driving And I'll videotape the girls on the trails Like just going through the woods and stuff Then one of the trails led you to like This big old field of nothing And the girls we could go there and smoke cigarettes And I got all that on video too Um, what else?

It's not because I, like, I wasn't doing it to, like, be vindictive or anything. I thought it was cool. And I was showing my family. Like, look, this is what, this is, don't worry. This is where I'm at. We're good. You're sending your family videos of you guys. Yeah.

Fucking around on the gators. Yeah. That's hilarious. We were cutting wood and stuff. I remember one time. Cutting wood? Yeah, we had a split wood. Oh, shit.

For the bend, wood splitters. Um, one time we were there. And I had, like, it was really bad. We were at the wood tent. And it's where we used to bear our phones out. That's why we lost the phones because we had to switch the location. We were there, and I had a bad feeling so I kept telling the girls to sleep. So we buried the phones inside the dirt, and it wasn't really covered.

If you would have kicked it, you could have found the bag. And when we had left, we left, we told our boss, because he knew we had them. We came back, we told him that we were going to go cut grass. So we get on our mowers, and as soon as I go down the road, the wood tent is, like, over here. And I see, like, canines, and D. Camilla, everybody is at the wood tent looking for something. They brought canines. And they're looking for drugs because the canine was there. But, like, they didn't find nothing.

They didn't find cigarette butts. And, like, that's everywhere at the wood time. Because that's what they did was smoke cigarettes. And lately, we missed them by, like, a minute. Like, they would have pulled up to us on our phones. Damn, man. What would have happened if they would have pulled up? You guys were doing that?

We probably would have got in trouble. No, we would have got in trouble. Like, a lot of trouble. We probably would have, like, county. It depends. Because they can, they can't. They can't. It depends what kind of officer it was, right?

No, Dicement is sending a county. He's head of SIS, so he's definitely, yeah, you're in trouble. But it depends. Like, they can, you can just lose good days or you can get a whole new charge for the contraband. It depends on what they want to do. Damn. But then, like, one of the girls on the thingy, she, her co-defendant's in the medium. One of the girls on the lawsuit.

Yeah. Her co-defendant is in the medium, and they've had bags, like bags, like big pounds of bags of tobacco dropped off, buried in the woods. It's probably still there because she's, you know, she was two chickens to bring it inside, the medium. And they were supposed to throw it over the fence so for the guys to get it. It was tobacco. It was Suboxins, cigarettes. They had officers that they knew that are not in there that they would sleep with,

bring cigarette packets to their boyfriends or their friends in the medium and the low. Yeah. Damn. It's like that. That's heavy. And that's what I'm saying, like they pick and choose. Like they sleep with these officers and everything's okay. But once they get mad, they want to do the lawsuit.

Because the same girl is so much more officers. And one of them wasn't even sleeping with them at all. She just said she was. So what do you think happens to this lawsuit in these girls and some? Do you think they, do they get anything out of it? I feel like they're going to get something, but I feel like they shouldn't. Like they really shouldn't. Yeah, either way, they're going to get something because those officers broke the law by by engaging in that relationship with those girls in the first.

But not all of them were in it. Like the girl Kara, she never slept with those officers at all. She wasn't forced to. Like, we were in landscaping together. Really? And they didn't like her. Like, I know because I was cool with bosses. They didn't like her.

And then she said something in her statement. She said that one of the, that Vian tried to sleep with her. That who did? Begin. With our boss at Landscape. Okay. She said that he tried to sleep with her. Okay.

And she said it in there. And that she got fired because Clayter and Phillips. No. Van and Phillips, I thought. No, she said that she got fired because Phillips and Claytor tried to force her to keep up van and that she got fired because she wouldn't. Van and Phillips don't even like each other. So why would Phillips be helping Van?

Why would he be forcing her to sleep up van if they don't like each other? So it's like, I mean, it's like they despise each other. They don't even speak to each other when they pass each other. They don't like each other at all. And then like Kara, she would be in a car with Van. And remember one time the Batwing got stuck. Who is Van? one of the guys in the

one of the correction officer yes it was our boss on landscape okay um one time the batwing got stuck in a sinkhole we have sinkhole in there what's the batwing tractor

okay and mower okay we got stuck in the sinko so we had to get the is it called the cat or is it called the cat a front end loader

we had to get that to pull it out so we had to have van there because we're way off like we're out of bounds like completely out of bounds so we had to get him to help us pull it and she was in

he was in the car and I was in there and two other girls were in there and like she's like straight up making comments like like how how good she can get him head and how like making comments like throwing herself at him really yes like in front of all she didn't care she was laughing off thinking it was cute and he's looking at her like like she was disgusting and then she's going to say that that and it didn't happen like she threw herself at him so many times how old is this girl is she like 32 maybe 30 and how old is this guy van like 50 he's like 40 something He looks older than he is. He had to retire.

Like he was at a retiring point. He didn't have a year left. Really? So he was an older dude. Yeah. And he was still just like, ew, lady, like stop. Yeah, because she was like way coming on to him. Like, wait.

Like, she was like making it known that she wanted to do with him. Which is probably why she said what she said in the lawsuit because he didn't. You think she's kind of like resentful that none of the prison guards wanted any, wanted her? Yeah, like she was really skinny and she like, she came on to them. Like she got kicked out of Tallahassee. She got shipped in Tallahassee because she had a, relationship with a lieutenant and like she told me like it was a full-blown relationship she was in contact with him everything afterwards and then she came to come in where everybody's doing it so she

wanted to do it to get things so but like nobody didn't i think maybe she had a relationship so she's pissed yeah well she was mad because she got fired because working at landscaping you have more privilege you can go more places and so she used to go to the medium and moan the same boyfriend the same piece of grass every day like that grass was dead like it was like dead dead she's just mowing it every day Just boy, every day at the same spot. Like, that's so obvious. Just to see her boyfriend that was in there. Like, I think he was, like, life or something.

Yeah, I think he does love. But so when she got fired, that's when she did that. Like, she wanted revenge because she got fired because now she can't see her boyfriend anymore. God, that's such a fucked up situation. Yeah. And I think that she even said, because she's due to get out soon, right? Yeah. That if she can't get a time cut, she wants it for him.

She wants it for her boyfriend that has life over this lawsuit. So, wait, they can get in an exchange, instead of getting, money from the settlement they can get time cut really i didn't see that in the article and she wants to give the time cut to her boyfriend yeah i doubt they're gonna do that they're not they're not they're they don't do stuff like no but uh she wanted to that's what she was doing it then i had amanda a couple days before i left she had told me that she was going to bring them down she said she was going to bring van down phillips down clator down everybody down because she was bad that she got fired she got fired and she was fired because they messed up more like they ran over like some they ran over something and uh the

paint got everywhere and the tire was messed up and it was just bad and they knew like like the head boss not van but like the head head head boss yeah knew that she was picking up drops that she was planning to bring it to the medium that she had a phone like they knew she wasn't really working that she was just there for the extra privilege so she got mad that she got fired and she did it then the whole like i'm surprised like officer lieutenant gonzalez he's a lieutenant at the penitentiary I'm surprised he's in there because like when I left they were good like we used to meet him to get pastries down the road and she used to like she wanted she volunteered to work at the penitentiary

so she could be with him because he didn't work at the camp so I'm surprised that he was even involved in the lawsuit and her friend Rebecca she's in there Rebecca he used to give Rebecca information about her because Amanda went to county over it so when she was in county he's lieutenant he knows so he will come get Rebecca in the morning and tell her information about Amanda because that he knew.

So I'm surprised they even threw him under the bus. That's insane. So a lot of these officers are completely innocent is what you're saying. They're not completely insane because they did have sex. Yeah. Oh, so all of them did. Yeah. Okay, got you.

All of them did, which I don't know if I, well, the majority of them did. But not to all the females. Like, if you were to see some of the girls in that. In the lawsuit? Yes. If you were to see them, you'll be like, no way. No. If you're going to take it from somebody, if you're going to throw them down and take it, it's going to be somebody that, you know, is appealing, right? Right. Right. Right. You're not. Like, like, like, Urcini, she's, like, her stomach touches the floor.

And she's in the lawsuit? Yes. And she told us straight up that she, like, she was overbeying a prison. She was in her for forever. Not really forever. I think she was like seven years. She had five years and somehow she got re-indicted, like, while she was in prison. I've never even heard of that. But she ended up with, I think, 15 years. total. But she was a liar, so I don't know. She probably has 15 years to begin with. She said money is overseas, which was a lie. She had all these thingsies. She was a mortgage broker there for fraud.

And she was also a lawyer. No, she said she was a lawyer. I'm saying, she was also a lawyer. A lawyer. She was a lawyer and a mortgage broker. I was in there for fraud. And she used to do people, which is, like, that's like the crime itself. She used to, you can't run a business in prison.

She used to do people's paperwork. Yeah. And they would all get the night. And she would charge them like hundreds of dollars to do it. And they'll all come back that night. Everything with them because she's not a real lawyer. But like I doubt an officer touched her. And she said it.

Who else was it? Maggie Leon. I don't think so either. I don't think that. What's up with Maggie? Just the way she. Oh, speaking of Maggie, she actually, so there was, that she worked in welding?

She was the, wasn't she the, the toolroom clerk? Yeah, in welding. So there was another girl that worked in welding, and she found a book where Maggie had written in it, and it said, it was, like, comments that she was going to say about the officer, what they did. And it was basically notes what she was going to say in this lawsuit. Yes. And so what, somebody found the book? Yes. And then what?

When the word got out that she found it, she got, like, punished. No, nothing happened to her. They thought the girl was lying. I found the notebook is what happened. So nothing ever happened. It sounds crazy there. It is crazy. Is this notebook evidence in the lawsuit at all?

Are they using it? No, I've got it. They thought the girl was lying about it. Really? I'm pretty sure Maggie got rid of it after that. Somebody got rid of it. Yeah, definitely. And there was another girl.

She's out already. She was looking for a way out. Her daughter was sick. I doubt she's up with any. officer she probably said it at the time because she wanted time cut she ended getting time cut afterwards but i don't think she got a compassionate release because her daughter was sick trump let her out yeah trump let her out yeah yeah really wow i think she had like a couple months for her daughter first she died yeah it was nice speaking of legit businesses do you remember when you

guys like that girl that did the massages one-tooth wonder what with natasha natasha one-toothed wonder so I think it was my birthday or something, and they gave me a voucher for a free massage. She did vaginal wall massages. I never turned it in. No. She didn't. Saving it for a rainy day. No.

Took a rain check on the vaginal wall massage? It's because, like, we did it, like, kind of like it was a gag gift. It was a gag. If you've seen this chick, like, literally she has one tooth, like. Oh. But she really did do these massages. Did she really? Yes.

People took her up on them? Yep. Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah. It sounds nuts. It really does. It sounds like a free-for-all.

Yeah, it sounds like a free-for-all. Like, way gnarly even like gnarlier than the Orange is the New Black Show. It definitely is orange. They don't have nothing on Coleman. Really? Nothing on Coleman. No, I don't know. Coleman needs its own show.

It really does. Damn. We got to smuggle a, we got to smuggle a video camera in there. Let them start, like, turn it. It won't be hard. Producing a show in there. It won't. Like the other day I was on Facebook, and I saw.

the same thing I used to do, so that's how I knew. But there was this girl, and she was taking pictures inside her cubicle on her bunk with the sheet up. I'm like, bro, you're so retarded. Like, you're going to get caught. Like, officers check our Facebook. Do they really? Yes. Like, I told you, he checked my status.

I didn't post pictures of me in prison. I do now because I'm gone. So, like, if I'm bored, like, I'll post a picture, like, when I was in prison. And the other prisoners know that I had a phone now, but they didn't know who then. Right. But she posted a picture in her bunk, like, in her cubicle. Like, wearing her grace. Why she's still in there.

Yes. See the brick wall with the bunk beds and like with her little flashlight. Like you can tell. Yeah, the book light and her sheets up. Like you can see it in the picture. Oh my God. It's crazy. Are you guys worried about like any of these girls like coming after you or anything for speaking out against them?

I wrote Amanda on Facebook. Because I wrote about this. No, I didn't know I was doing this. I caught her a liar. I told her she was a liar. And if her baby daddy and her co-defendant knew that. that like basically like she was like snitch and she blocked me. She blocked you on Facebook?

Yeah. She blocked me. So I wrote her from fake Facebook too and she still blocked me. I'm not worried about it because I mean like I said the truth is the truth and what can you do? Like what are you going to do? Yeah, it's not only us. Like I had a girl that said basically like she posted the article too and she said that if the feds were to come and get her to for her to tell her to.

testify on their behalf, she would. Like, she would go, yeah, she would go and say, like, your honor, like, these girls are lying. Like, I'm here. What if the feds came to you guys and asked you guys to testify on their behalf, would you? Like, I would say they're lying. Yeah, I would say they're lying. Really? They are lying.

I don't feel like they should get money because it's a lie. I mean, they did have sex. Right. But the whole, like, that's the whole, like, I'm fear of being trapped. I'm fear of corners. I'm scared of being alone. Like, all that is a lie. Right.

They play it up to the fullest. They're making, like, more mental trauma. so they can get more money. Yeah. They're making it, they're making it a way crazier story of it, making it seem like it was something that was not. Right. Well, damn.

Maybe we'll have to touch base when the case is over or something and see how that turns out. Yeah, for sure. How long does that, like, go on for, you think? I don't know. How long? How long did it take? How long?

When did it start? Do it start when the article is posted or? I think that it came out when the article, like, you know, that's when, you know, but no, before that, because this was going on when I was still locked up, and that was months ago. Yeah. almost a year ago. Wow.

So. I'm sure this stuff could go on for years. Right. I'm sure that whole process takes a long time. I'm pretty sure. Well, thank you guys for doing that. Thank you guys for coming on here and telling your stories and exposing the truth to this whole fiasco that's going on inside the prison camps with the rape scandals. And let's do a part two eventually.

When this thing wraps up, let's follow back up. Definitely. Cool. Thanks for coming. Thanks, girls. Good night. everybody.