Danny Jones Podcast - #358 - Danny Comes Clean on Moon Debate & Matt Cox Almost WALKS OFF the Show

Episode Date: December 25, 2025

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Matt almost just walked off the podcast. I did not walk off, but I almost just left. Because I bought my wife spent good money on this elf on the shelf costume for Matt Cox. Which I told you I wasn't gonna wear it. No, you didn't. I did when you said, I said, I'm not wearing it. Do you want me to find the text?

Where's not wearing it? No. Okay. But you walked in here and I gave him your elf. I gave you your elf on the shelf outfit. Well, hold that. Um, what are you doing? are we broadcasting our interviews in 4K or 1080P on YouTube?

I love how I see this on the podcast. I know, right. It's fine. They don't care. This is going to go on your Patreon anyway. I know it is. And we just, you get me a come and I think,

oh, great. It's going to be. I'm going to be on Danny's podcast. And then you then a week later, I'm like, hey, whoa. Well, the last one was afraid we were going to get sued by Garth Brooks. I mean, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny Mitchell hasn't been sued yet. Well, I haven't either because we put, we put you on the best of channel and I got a million views.

Nice. Oh, yeah, that's right. I had so many people text me after that. It's like 51 minutes, right? It was like 50 minutes. Just you guys took that one portion portion. Well, what we did was our editor. He combines all like the best moments of the podcast and he condenses them into one hour.

Okay. And I had so many people text me about that podcast. Like, bro, Garth. I even had a friend, a guy who knows Garth Brooks. Really? He's like, for real, is this true? Not like friends. I know, but what's wrong with people?

What is wrong with you? Because I got text messages. Not text. I'm sorry, I got emails like, not a lot, maybe two or three emails where people are saying, you know, we need to talk. This is a, you know, I have information for you. And I'm like, come on and stop. Is it like this is satire. This is, you know, half of the people are mocking, are mocking because of, because of,

they realize it's satire and they're like they're like you know this is super stupid or they're saying it's funny and then every once in while there's 10% in there that go oh my god you know wonder i i knew something was wrong with him and you're like are you insane you want to wear your headphones uh i mean with oh you got your hat you don't have to wear oh my god yeah it's it's insanity people are nuts like there's no way you could possibly believe that people will believe anything on the internet these days that is true i they think you're an authority simple because you have a YouTube channel, which they could pull off with their iPhone. Yeah.

Yeah. It's getting out of hand. It really is. It's become, I think it's becoming a problem. And I'm definitely part of that problem. I was just thinking that of like, you're a big part of it. The guy's talking about. The problem is some of this stuff so fun to talk about.

It is. But I mean, when you're doing your podcast and some guy tells you that the pyramids were built because they're their batteries, they're used as batteries to supercharge UFOs. You never, you never break. You the whole time, like, how long have you known this? Where did you, have you spoken with the CIA? You know, I'm like, I'm like, I can't even watch this. I'm like, how is he not breaking?

First of all, he didn't say it was a battery. Chris Dunn is a former aerospace engineer. I don't care. Okay. And he wrote a book, which is, a high i'm using two fingers hypothesis uh to reverse engineer because there are explainable things about the pyramid there's have you seen the interior diagram of the pyramid i understand you want to continue to get guess that i get what you're doing no listen no that's

a legitimate question like i have to take this serious okay and he's still the guess okay so you think the pyramid was a tomb you're you're you're agreeing with the conventional yes okay it's a tomb okay then why does it have all these little weird shafts that go up and down and chambers with giant granite boxes that wouldn't even fit in those chambers and and 10 ton chunks of granite that are stacked up inside these things and it's clear it's clearly it's evident that it wasn't made for human beings to get through that place and there's like underground chamber that uh anyone who is like over 120 pounds can't even get through that goes down like 100 feet under the ground why why all that for a tomb that doesn't make sense i think it's it's reasonable to ask questions

about that kind of stuff. Questions, that's reasonable, but I don't think that they're, you know, I, I disagree with the theory. You don't think that it was a solid state electricity machine to provide free energy to the advanced civilization that lived in Egypt during the time? No. No, I don't. You know, I want to believe you.

I want to believe it, too. It's a lot of fun. It is a ton of fun. You know, there's a lot of fun, you know, concepts. But listen, I love, I have a friend. Okay, well, look, the opposite point to that is Zahi Hawas, who is the minister of antiquities in Egypt. And he is the one who is the guardian of the history of Egypt. And did you see his podcast with Joe Rogan?

It was the worst podcast of all time. The guy was sitting there smoking a cigar saying that he invented everything. Invented? What do you mean? Invented? Like, he discovered everything. Oh, okay. Everything that's ever been discovered in Egypt.

He talks about he is the one who discovered it. And he was like, it was just the worst conversation ever. And the dude had no rational arguments for any of the things that Joe had to say. So like, that's who you're arguing against. Just because the other stuff sounds so crazy doesn't mean it's like ultimately dismissable. It's a hard thing to navigate. But there is some legitimate questions about that stuff, especially the ancient Egypt stuff. I just feel like a good portion of your, of your, your subscribers or viewers believe that the earth is flat.

That's, I'm just saying, don't. How dare you say that about my subscribers? They don't believe that. I think some of them do. Look, the difference between me and you is I don't loathe my own subscribers. I don't loathe my subscribers. I actually love my subscribers. I love my viewers.

Okay. And I don't, I don't disrespect their intelligence like that. Oh my God. Okay. All right. So what are we talking about? So before we started this, being Matt got into a huge fight. And he almost stormed off the set.

It was an argument. Wasn't a fight. And he refute, my wife spent good money on this elf on the shelf. It's a 1999 outfit. Because you are the elf on the shelf. This is our inaugural Christmas episode where you, you know, you're the elf on the shelf. And last year, I think with the title of the episode for last Christmas was like, elf on the shelf describes the New York City or the New Jersey drone.

Seine his little helper. Stain his little helper. That's what we called you. I didn't even know that. And you refused to put on the costume. No, it's come on. It's too much. It's enough already.

I got the hat. I would have worn a. red shirt if you'd say we're a red shirt so i put it on so long story short i'm the off on the shelf today because you refuse to wear the costume and then dianne took his shirt off and and clearly he's been working out and your wife complimented me i took a picture of him my wife said has dany been working out that's like we're gonna have to talk about that when i when i when i get home maybe when i get a yacht yeah she'll she'll be the captain of your of your yacht how's that going your wife is what does your she do she's the below deck for the for like

the billionaire yachts, right? Yeah, no, she's now she's got our captain's license. Oh, now she's the captain of the yachts? How big are these yachts she's driving? No, she hasn't done, I don't, she, you know, so she'll take them out, right? And she can, you know, whatever they call it, stare, captain, then run them, I don't know what they call it.

But it's the leaving port and getting to port. Like these things are worth, these are 15, 20 million dollar, you know, and more vessels. So she works for a yacht management company. And so she goes out with them, but she does lots of different things. She does maintenance. She does, she's a stew if they need one.

Or she'll be like a stewardess. They don't call them stewardess. Oh, okay. They call them stews. So, you know, because these people that own the yachts. One, they lease them out, of course. Or they take their family out and they'll go down to the keys or go wherever they're gonna go.

You know, they'll go to Jamaica, whatever. And they'll have that, they'll have to have stews go with them because they're like whatever they're, you know, the waitresses, waiters, you know, they do all the running around so that these people can just basically lounge. And so she'll do that. She'll do maintenance today. She was running maintenance. She dropped something in the water. And they had to call a scuba diver. Whoa. I don't think she dropped it. She said she didn't drop it. She said that the bolt had come off and that when she removed something, she said it fell. She said, but the bolt had already

come out. It wasn't my fault. Whatever. And so they have to call it. And this happens a lot. Like they'll go out and they'll work on something that something falls in the water and they'll have to call a scoob their scuba divers and they'll come out and they'll go down. They'll find it and come back. And I saw a video on TikTok. There's a guy on TikTok who does this like as his this job. He scuba dives under docks for people who lose their shit. Yeah. People lose stuff on the cell phone. There was a video of this guy. He was picking up a pair of sunglasses. It was a pair of like not that expensive sunglasses. She just dropped her cell phone one time. It was like 20 feet down. She swam down 20 feet and basically. She said, I knew herself. Herself. She's like, I literally just went, you know, searched around until she found her phone and then came back up. With no goggles or anything, no mask? No, nothing. But this was, this was, this was hardcore.

Where was this? Have you ever been scalping? I've been scalping. Yeah. You can see down there, you know, you can see. Yeah, not with no goggles. Sometimes those dogs can be pretty, the water can be pretty murky and money. Maybe she did have, have like a mask or something.

I don't know. I didn't ask. Depends where she is. If she's in the Bahamas, then that's easy. But you said she had her eyes closed. that she was just feeling around. Well, no, I think she said it she couldn't see.

So wherever it was, it was, it wasn't the good water out. It was kind of murky, I think. She said you could barely, we couldn't even see down there. That's sketchy. So, yeah,

but she said, her phone out of those docks, depending on where you are. Well, my money's on her. She's pretty tough. She is rugged. She's industrial strength. Yeah.

So, did you see my Jeep? The FJ. Cruiser? Yeah. It's got, yeah, I've seen it. It's got a,

a lift kit. It's got 35s on it. It's got she's replaced this. She has replaced the, the, oh, she did it all. She's replaced the windows, the, the, the, the, all the lights on the whole thing. She's rebuilding the whole thing. And this is just kind of what she's doing on her spare time. You know, when you get in your car and you have your, the computer, you get in with your cell phone, it connects automatically to your, right.

She pulled out the dash and put in an aftermarket computer. So when I get in my car, all my car play comes up, everything. It's like a brand new car. This is a 2007. She installed all this shit herself? Yeah, it's amazing. Wow. She didn't do the lift kit.

She didn't put on the lift kit. That's the only thing. Everything else she did. Did she put in a Dell computer? No, but she, what does she want? We have to replace the, we have to replace the frame because it's got rust. Like I got this thing for like five grand, six grand, something. I mean, it was, it's bad.

That's basically a car. Replacing the frame? Yeah, it's actually not that bad. lift the butt. It's only a few bolts and they lift the body off. They were they pull off the act. They they, they, they, they explain it. She goes, it's really not that bad. You're basically doing it in a day. She says, it's not going to be that hard. But she can't do it. This we got somebody who's going to do it. But yeah, we have to replace the bushings. There's like six bushings. She knows all about it. She's so we'll see. Why just buy a new car? You can afford it.

You sold like, because I wanted to read thousand Garth Brooks books. I didn't. I can't believe you as I didn't say. That's not what I sold. It's I, it's probably 20. Maybe. 20 or $30,000 worth of books. But, but why I don't want to, I don't want a car payment. And I want to fix it up. I want to do what I want to do with the vehicle and have it all paid for and have a vehicle. And it's fun. The Garth Brooks thing is wild. You think there's absolutely no chance. There's no, what did we? No. No, huh? No. No. But listen, if you watch Johnny, Johnny Mitchell's podcast on it, he leans into it the whole time. And any time I, I cut up or laughed about it, he cut it out.

So it's solid the whole way through. It sounds like I'm trying to convince him. And we're talking about it. It's, it's, it's lawsuit material. No, I'm just sure. So, yeah, it's a lot of fun. Yeah, it's the best way to get views now. The shorts got several million.

Shorts got a million. Your short got over a million. Your video got over your shorts got over a million. But showed you your shorts. Oh, yeah. Maybe. I don't remember. I'm pretty sure.

All I knew was it went crazy. It went crazy. That's the thing. That's the thing. Content like that is like the easiest way to get views and like blow up on the internet. And people get stuck in that. They see that. They like, oh, okay, Gart Brooks is a serial killer. I made a million views on that. What's the next craziest thing I can do? Yeah. You know, this is like the Candace Owens model. Yeah. I was when you, I was just about to say, look at Candace Owens. Like there was a time two years ago where, you know, I listened to her and I thought she was great and she was amazing. And then and then whatever the rift was was between. she and Ben Shapiro happened. And then the next thing you know, it was she was saying insane stuff talking about whatever. Well, here's the thing. There's a lot of legit stuff she says. And I think it's mixed in with a lot of insane stuff.

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has been huge. And this is my way of saying thank you for the cost of a cup of coffee a month. Now back to the show. So I mentioned this by the way. I interviewed a former CIA agent, not Boostamante because Busamonte when I contacted him was like, Matt, I can. I'm booked till, you know, March or something. I thought, I'm lucky I even got that response from him. And this guy I met, I did a keynote speech and he did a keynote speech at the same place for a banking conference. And he had done it. And of course, all of the keynote speakers were sitting at the same table. So I got his information. And I said, hey, man, can you? So I was like, who else do I know? I contacted him. He flew in. did a great job. That video just came out. But we mentioned Candace Owens. Briefly. Like, we didn't go into it hard. Yeah. Listen, Candice Owens people, they're loyal. I'm telling you, I've got 30 to 40% of the comments are Candice Owens people saying, you just lost me. You just lost a subscriber. I can't listen to you. Candice Owens is showing us the truth about what they've been hiding all these years. Candice, and they're going nuts.

Like the, and of course, the video is doing pretty. well. It's been a, it's been one out for one day. It has got like 40,000 views. Uh-huh. We also put her on the cover, so. Oh, did you really? Yeah. And, uh, but it's, we barely even talk about it, but boy, let me tell you, they are upset. And it's the same thing. It's the controversy. Have you paid attention to any of the stuff that she's been talking about about this Charlie Kirk investigation? She's going hard. Oh, I've talked. I mean, I, I've watched a couple of TikToks. And the problem is, one, she's talking about people that I don't really know who they are. And it's like one, she's taking, to me, it appears, and I haven't done a deep dive into what she's saying.

But it's turned in, it's gone from like Israel and then she's incorporated, you know, the Clintons and she's incorporated this person. And then anybody that there's any rumors, it's all being incorporated into and that, you know, Trump signed off on it or, you know, it's just like this insane. It's like anything she can do, she throws in, she's just throwing, it seems like she's throwing stuff into the place. lot. And it's like, you don't have proof of any of this. Because what? You got an email from somebody or the Trump administration admitted that there was, there's now, there's a hit out on me. And it's like, where? What I have the receipts? Where, what are you talking about? Yeah. She said that it was like, she got, she found evidence that like the French legionaire was due, the, they were doing some sort of a training course or some sort of training camp in California, but up leading up to Charlie Kirk's

assassination and there was this Egyptian plane that was flying from Delaware, from Cairo to Delaware, and then I guess flew to Utah where Charlie was and she has this whole timeline of what was happening leading up. Look, and look, I'm sure there's a lot of legitimate stuff that she's like, I mean, do I believe that there was a plane? Sure, some plane landed somewhere who was on it. That French legionnaires are conducting operations inside. of the United States borders? Like, stuff. Well, look, here's, here's, what are we doing?

Here's for sure. I think it's pretty obvious that it wasn't just this kid who did it. There was a lot, something way more sinister involved. There was definitely more people. There's definitely some, some kind of cover up. I mean, just look at the crooks guy who tried to kill the president. Why did that get buried? There was all kinds of stuff on the internet about him.

There was videos. There was posts. There was. And it got scrubbed. It just got forgot about. The mainstream media just forgot about it. And the FBI said there was nothing. And Tucker Carlson just came out with this incredible video that did this deep dive into all this stuff that was that people were able to find on him and like videos that he was posting. Like if this guy existed on the internet, which he did, he would be the top of any federal agency's red flag list. Right. Because in essay, FBI, whatever it is. You're talking about crooks.

Crooks. Yeah, but he wouldn't because the Biden administration was in charge. And at that time, and let's face it, even if they knew about him, they're probably hoping that he takes Trump out. Well, that's my point. Okay. That's my point. Like that, like that we did a whole thing on this. Remember we called up the CIA guy? Yeah, yeah, John Carriaca. Yeah. Yeah. And and then the whole thing just got scrubbed. And it's also weird that Trump hasn't talked about it at all. Like he hasn't tried to like press in on that and like put his down a little bit harder to try to get more information out there. It seems like it's just like swept it under the rug. I mean, you got issues.

He's already got other things going on. He's got, he's got Venezuela. He's got. Yeah. But then, you know, with this thing, with the Charlie Kirk thing, there's just so many fucking holes in that story, dude. It doesn't line up. And at the FBI, like, pushing the law enforcement in Utah to, like, close the case

when there's so many fucking questions, all the stuff about Charlie Kirk. and the billionaire trying to hold this influencer summit in the Hamptons a couple weeks before he got murdered and just like the thing stinks to high heaven the whole fucking thing stinks to high heaven and Netanyahu inviting him to Israel he declined that's real no one's no one's come out and said that that's a lie she's she's been showing text messages there's videos of charlie kirk and the other kelly megan kelly talking about like they're getting bullied by these Israeli billionaires ionists to do all this stuff and they're like and dude the biggest fucking nail in the coffin is when charlie kirk went on patrick bed david like a two years ago right out or no a year ago shortly after

october seventh uh charlie kirk goes on patrick bet david's show and he was like i got to be careful how i say this he but he's like i've been to israel many times he's like my question is my it's a legitimate question is was there a stand down order after those terrorists went over the wall and killed those people at that concert. Because I know for a fact, it's a 45-minute helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border. No one did anything for six hours. And that was like the start of it. Like when that happened, it was like, whoa.

Like this guy has been invited to Israel so many times. He's pro-Israel mainly because of his belief, his faith, his religious faith. He believes that's like the site of the Holy Land and all that stuff. And then like in the last, since October 7th, he started to go more and more. you know questioning Israel and then there was the summit that he did the TPUSA summit in Tampa which was what was that July I think this was past July where Tucker showed up and can I don't know if no Candace wasn't there but Tucker was there and Dave Smith was there Dave Smith did a debate with this guy named Josh Hammer and Tucker was there to this long monologue and they both were

talking about Israel and you know how how Israel is blackmailing our politicians and yeah this is the deal Charlie we don't have to play it um And basically the Israeli foreign lobby, the lobbying Congress. Like it's insane. They don't have to register as a foreign agent. And anyways, it seems like, and that's also a part of Candace's whole thing. That's when this whole thing started to go downhill fast. And then Menetjah reached out and said, I think this is verified.

But he said to her or to Charlie, let's meet, come to Israel and we'll take TPSA to the next level, whatever that means. And apparently he declined. Well, now he's dead. Now he wants to say his real did it. Well, I mean, why did he decline? Maybe he declined because... Sure, yeah, totally. There's many reasons he didn't.

And I don't see that any of that says that they're behind the shooting. Right. It's just that there's obviously there's a riff there. And there's always, you know, things going on behind the scenes. And... But I don't think that that doesn't mean that this guy, this kind of lone wolf kid didn't decide he was going to, you know, shoot Charlie Cook and... I'm sorry, Charlie Kirk.

And he didn't just... just, you know, get lucky, you know? Like, I mean, look, Crooks didn't get lucky. Crooks missed and, you know, nipped his ear, right? But this kid actually fucking hit him, right? So, you know, how do you know that that's just not what it is? Right. You know, like the simplest answer is usually the truth.

Not that all that other stuff isn't possible, I don't think. But where's the leap, it's a leap to say all of this is going on and, and they want to kill a private citizen, You know? Okay, think about this. Why, if you're, if you want to kill somebody, there's the two angles. Like, was it somebody who wanted to make a, obviously it was somebody who wanted to make a spectacle. They wanted to be public. If it was somebody that was like in his inner circle, they wouldn't have done it like that and made it the big, mid theater out of it, right? They would have done it privately done something else. Yeah, it could have been, could have been any number of things where they know he's not going to be out in front of everything. So whoever did it, obviously wanted to send a message. Walmart business is in the business of how. helping your business, regardless of whether you're building bridges, building spreadsheets, or building lesson plans. Ooh, that looks fun. Walmart business can help save you time, money, and

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means that Israel was behind it or that anybody specifically was that. Not that they don't maybe have a whole bunch of issues with him. I just don't, it's like, and I get it, listen, in a hundred years from now, a hundred years from now, like we, there's probably going to be podcasts where they released all the files and it turns out, you're right, Oswald was actually sitting in the cafeteria when Kennedy was shot, you know, and then you're going, what? And then suddenly all from, you know, right now it's all muddy. and maybe in 50 years from now, it makes complete sense when they start put, like, if you've ever seen these things where they put together the timeline with Oswald and all, it's insane,

like all these, matter of fact, you know, you know who does a great job of it, the movie JFK with Oswald, have you seen it? The first movie? Yeah, with Kevin Costor. Yep, yep. I mean, it really like lays it out. And of course, it lays it out because they have this fictitious character that lays it out for you, right? He was a part of the military. He was, and he explains the whole thing, lays it out. And you're like, wow. And maybe all that's true, but maybe Oswald just was in the, you know, the Texas book

depository and he decided to take a shot and he, and it worked out for him. There's no way that's true, though. I don't, I don't really believe that's true either. No, I mean, the footage, the footage showed back into the left. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's the most insane shot ever where the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, a blowback. There was multiple shots. There was one where it's like, yeah, there's one here.

There's one here. And then the other one is like, oh, he's got, he gets hit from behind. And he flies back towards the like, come on, that doesn't happen. You know, because I'm an expert. I've seen a bunch of movies. But yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't look. It just, it, nobody that looks at the film thinks, oh, yeah, it, that shot came from behind. Like, no, there's no way. So I mean, I, I agree. You know what? It's, there's a guy. There's a whole video, and this was a guy that was locked up and where he admits that he was the shooter. And he's got, it's a whole.

Oh, this guy. Have you ever seen that? Is he even still a while? You know, I've had at least, I've had at least a couple people email me telling me they were the shooter. No, this was a guy that was in prison. This was a guy who was in prison and it's back in the, I don't know. See, I hate saying that I hate that. I don't know.

But it's a whole video where he's interviewed by like a, he's interviewed by like a journalist or something. Yeah. And it's like this, it's not a really of a documentary. It's just they get him. And they're interviewing him in the prison. He's actually in prison for, I believe, murder or something where he gets 20 years. And he ends up dying, I think, in prison. Would you find this on YouTube?

Yeah, it's on YouTube. What do you look like? What did he? It was just a white guy. And supposedly he was in the military. He was in the military and he had been, he had been contacted. No, I think he had gotten out of the military. but he was a sharpshooter.

He'd gotten out of the military, I want to say, and then he was contacted by some of his old military guy. That's him. That's him. Yeah. It's very, is he, I think he's dead. Is he dead now? I don't know.

How old are this? James E. Files? Yeah, I think this guy's actually emailed me. Okay, did he's still alive? Wow. I think so. He would be, he's, he's, he's, listen, he's very convincing. Is he?

Yes. So you know who Danny Sheehan is, was the lawyer for Watergate and the Pentagon Papers. He interviewed a bunch of people that were really close to the JFK assassination and the Watergate thing and the Pentagon Papers. So he's 83 years old. What was his first name? James? James Files.

James Files. Do I have an email from him? While serving a 50-year sentence for a 1990. 91 attempted murder of two police officers. Files gave an interview stating that he was the grassy null shooter in 1963, assassinating an assassination of the U.S. president. He, it was, guy says he's 83. Yeah.

Born in 1944. Yeah, he's still alive. That's amazing. I thought he had died in prison. I knew he was in prison. I wonder if he got out. Maybe he got out. So what did he say?

Who did he say? Does he say who like hired him to do it? Yeah. I mean, he kind of knew the guys who hired him. but he kind of felt like, I think he felt like they were either, they were with the military, or they had been with the military or were with the military, and had now, we're working for like a private agency, which he believed was probably not that, but it may have been the CIA.

Something along like, he knew they were working for somebody else. They got him because I think he wasn't in the military anymore. Or maybe he was, but they basically pull him off. And he's like, he didn't even realize that he was going to be the shooter until very much the last minute. And he even talks about how he left something in the area. There's something where he left something, a bullet or a cigarette butt. He leaves something in the area that they found.

And he talks about how like, and I left this. And turns out that that's part of one of the things that they found when they went up to the grass. He talks about these people being over here and this guy. He has a, it's a very, very compelling story where you, where if I wasn't, So opposed to it, I would be like, fuck, I think this guy might have shot. You know, it's also a great way to sell some books in prison. It is. I don't know if he was selling a book, but it's, it is a great interview if you watched it.

It's very convincing, although I'm old and I can't remember all of it. I knew we were talking about it. Vincent Bugliosi, he was the prosecutor of the Manson case. Author of the 2000 book, author of the 2000 book, wow, easy for you to say. Reclaiming history, the assassination of President John F. Kennedy characterized files as the Rodney Dangerfield of Kennedy Assassins. According to Bugliosi was a fucking bona fide liar, by the way, for what that's worth. Very few within the majority of Americans, 75% who believe there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy,

respect him or his story. However, conspiracy author James Croft described files as surprisingly credible and said his story is the most believable and persuasive about the assassination. Yeah, it's interesting. It's very... So Danny Sheehan, the Harvard lawyer, told me that it was some anti-Castro Cubans that shot the president because it was easy to recruit them. They were a part of this group called the S-Force. And they were the ones that were a part of the Bay of Pigs invasion.

And they all hated Kennedy because he didn't provide air support. Yeah, he really fucking, he really left them out to dry. and the agreement with, I think, was it Eisenhower who was before him or whoever Kennedy took over for, or, you know, won the presidency from, which is funny because the whole time Kennedy was running, he was beating up. Who did Kennedy win from? Was it Eisenhower? Oh, I don't know. Was it Truman? No, it was not Truman. That was 40s. 50s. Maybe Eisenhower? I don't know. Who was it? We don't know our history here. No, no. Well, that's why we're asking.

None of us know. Well, that's what I'm asking. Who is the president before Kennedy? Yeah. This is not the, who was the president before Kennedy? Lyndon B. Johnson. Lendombe Johnson.

No, that's not true. He was his vice president. Sorry. Right. Was succeed. Oh, succeeded. Yeah, who was before him. I typed in superseded.

Preceded. Are we all that retarded? We can't figure out how to ask an iPhone who was before Kennedy? I just asked the. buddy of mine who's trying to answer me right now. He's just fucking long-winded. How about y'all beat both you guys? This motherfucker. Come on, Dave. Who was the president before John F. Kennedy? Eisenhower. Oh, I said Eisenhower. Yeah, it was Eisenhower. You're right. Okay. So. You barely got me there, Steve. So Kennedy, the whole time during the debates was beating up

Eisenhower about the fact that Cuba was now, uh, that had been taken over and that he had done nothing about it. And so, of course, Eisenhower actually knows that the CIA is currently training Cubans, former Cubans, to go back in and take over the island. And so once Kennedy takes over, and he's briefed about that, Kennedy, who the whole time made it sound like he was going to do something about it, suddenly decided he's not going to do anything. Suddenly, when he found out what the plan was, he decided it seemed too much like D-Day. And he was like, and he was like, They're going to know we're behind it and he wanted deniability. So he switched the area where they were going to land, which was a nice sandy beach.

He switched that area and he picked another area, which was the Bay of Pigs, which was rocks. And it was just a horrible place to a horrible place to land. And then their agreement was once you guys, if you could take the beach head and hold it for like a few hours or a day, he's like, then we'll send an air support. And so the Cubans were very upset because he'd cut everything in half. Right. How many they were bringing in, the boats, everything. The Cubans come in. They hold it for three days and they basically let them, they never send the troops.

And the CIA officers who had trained these guys, worked with them for a year, had to sit there on the radio and listen to these guys get slaughtered. They run out of fuel. Yep. They run out of weapon or out of ammunition. Eventually the Cubans take, Cubans, you know, over, take them over or, you know, whatever. And they did, and Kennedy refused to send in air support and just let these guys get slaughtered.

Mm-hmm. You know, so I can see the Cubans hating his guts. I just don't know. So, according to Danny Sheehan, Howard Hughes was a big part of this, too. And Nixon, when he was the, the governor of what state was he the governor of was it california i have no idea who nixon nixon was the governor of california california got it so nixon was a part of the training him and howard hughes he asked howard hughes to help him uh train a hit squad to

assassinate castro so they got these anti-castro cubans they recruited with the cia and they were training them down in wohaca mexico and And this was around the same time as the Iran Contra, the Contras and the San Dinos thing in Central America. And so Howard Hughes set this all up and got the mob. The mob was involved somehow. And Nixon was the one who tasked him to do it. So they were training these triangular hit teams of Cubans down in Oaxaca, Mexico, where they would set up in a triangular formation to assassinate.

And the goal was to assassinate Castro. And they actually went down there to try to assassinate Castro, I think three times. And every mission failed. They obviously never could do it. And so eventually, once the decision was made by, I mean, it's pretty obviously that it was fucking us that killed the president. I mean, everyone has their own flavor of who killed John up Kennedy. But I think it's overwhelming that the somebody assassinated. That it was a military coup.

It was the joint chiefs of staff. whenever the decision was made by whoever you believe it was to kill the president it was those same triangular hit squads, those Cubans, that were trained to kill Castro that killed the president. And what Watergate was allegedly all about. So the way they were funding

those that training in Mahaka, Mexico was the international bank in Mexico City. They were giving money to those guys. and so they killed a president and then Watergate the same assassination team, those Cubans that broke in during the Watergate thing. One of them, Cubans broke in during Watergate? Yeah. Yeah. It was a couple of Cubans that broke into the hotel. There was a bunch of guys, but at least two of them were Cubans.

two of them were on that same hit squad training in wahaka mexico to kill the president and one of them had a receipt in his pocket to that same bank that was funding them and um the FBI director whoever the head of the FBI was that was investigating that uh George Bush yeah yeah so several of the men who broke into the Democratic National Committee headquarters in the Watergate office complex in 92 were Cuban exiles um so one of those Cuban exiles at Watergate had a receipt to that bank in Mexico City. And the FBI guy was trying to investigate that. And Nixon wanted to put the kibosh on that because he knew that if the FBI found out that there was a connection to those guys that were training in Mexico, the triangular hit teams, he knew that they would be able to trace it back to him eventually. And he was incredibly paranoid that that was going to open up the whole Kennedy can of worms.

And also the CIA director at the time who was the same guy during M.K. Ultra. Anyways, the head of the CIA at the time was like, why do you want us to stop this investigation into these Cuban exiles? and the White House. Huh? John McCone? No, it was John Cone as a guy before that, I think. The response was from the chief of staff for Nixon was that's going to open up a whole can of worms that a whole that's going to let the genie out of the bottle on the Kennedy thing. And we don't want that to happen.

So that's when they killed that. But the reality of it was Nixon didn't order the murder. He was just connected to training the hit squads that ended up killing the president. And he was just paranoid. that he was gonna get blamed for killing Kennedy. Okay. It's crazy. I don't know anything about it, you know?

Like, yeah. I don't even have an opinion on it. And it was 50 years ago, we still don't know the answer. Or how many years ago was that? Shoot. 60s was a long time ago. 60 years ago. And we still know the truth.

Yeah. I don't think whoever will know the truth. Right? Like the documents are- How many people do you think if you were to pull? all the Americans believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. What would you, what was you like a guesstimate of like percentage? 25%.

I think 25% think he acted alone. Was it, didn't it just say 75% of people believe that, that, it was some kind of an assassination. Isn't that what that, the, in that what that statistics just said? Oh, I don't know. What was that?

I think that was about the James Files guy. Oh, was it? Yeah, I don't remember what we just read, to be honest. but like what percentage of U.S. population believe Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald. Let's see what it says. Ask it.

Ask it what percentage of U.S. citizens believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I mean, I'm not using chat. I was just using Google. So it's got a bunch of stuff, but it's not very specific.

I bet you it's not a lot. Yeah. Well, I don't, what, 25%? isn't a lot, is it? 65% of Americans think Kennedy was assassinated. Oh, wow, they think he was assassinated. U.S. government, U.S. government names. Really going out in a limb there.

20% think he's alive. 20%. Look at this. In 2013, a poll found that 30% of Americans believe Aldewald was a lone gunman. Okay. I said 25%, right? That's crazy. I mean, worked in concert with.

Anyone who's paying attention. Yeah. I mean, anybody who's paying just a little bit of attention knows the government's line. And they don't care. They don't have to tell us the truth. Right. Like, who's going to, what's going to happen? It's funny when you, you know, like growing up, I never saw it that way. But now, you know, because of social media and because there's so many conspiracies that are under, you know, there have been uncovered. Like now, it's like you just, you know, how about the Epstein one? That's the best one. That's the best one. Believe, believe that everything, almost everything they're saying, or at least half of what they say. is a lie.

Yeah. You know, whatever happened with this UFO thing. What do you mean? I mean, they're, like, they've just basically admitted, like, that's the end of it. They've admitted that there are these things that are out there that we don't know what they are and they show up every once in a while. And we get them on tape sometimes. And that's it.

Who is saying this? Where does you read this? I mean, you know, the thing that the, the Navy caught on film and there's all the, all of the, there were these, the hearings and. You're talking about the age of disclosure, document? that just came out last week? Well, I didn't see that. But in general, but yes, that type of a thing where I'm saying, like, what ultimately, like,

Marco Rubio's on it. Like, they're talking about, like, there's a lot of high-ranking officials on there, like military people, joint chiefs of staff people, senators. Oh, yeah. What was ultimately the conclusion was I thought, prior to this, I just kind of thought, so that's like, we're never getting the real answer. Like, there's- It seems like everybody in the government,

government and the military are very aware that this is real. But it seems like there's an internal fight within the government and the military, a clash of people in Camp 1 that want to keep this stuff a secret and Camp 2 that want to make it public. Right. And the group that wants to keep it a secret, I believe is because that a lot of the money, like in the Black budget and a lot of the missing money from the Pentagon has gone to these projects, these like reverse engineering projects because it's kind of. It's got to be kept a secret and it can be accounted for it.

Right. So they would be criminally liable if this stuff came out. They would face charges. They would face crimes. So I think what the goal is with these documentaries like this is to like is to. And there's also a lot of whistleblowers in there that have come out of these programs like near like Air Force guys and Navy guys and generals and stuff like this and people to the CIA that claim it's real. number one, there's got to be whistleblower protection for these people. And number two, it sucks, but you got to do it.

You got to give amnesty. I was just going to say, why can't Trump just pardon give a blanket? You got to give a blanket to anybody involved. Right, to these people so they don't get, go to prison or anything for some of this stuff. Because, you know, what's worse, right? You got to like, what's less bad? I think it's more important for, like, if there is some sort of, fucking civilization that's living here on our sharing this planet with us that we don't know about

that's like super advanced like it's we should know about it like the like i don't think i think we can handle it i think human beings should know about that you shouldn't keep that a secret from the rest of humanity i mean even if you told everybody and they were upset like what are they going to do it like that's just the way it is and we've been we haven't known about this whole time so obviously they're hidden like they're either underwater or you know whatever they're a different dimension like they're not interfering with us. It's not like they're knocking planes out of the sky. So if you knew about it, like, what's it going to change? I'm still going to pay, you're still going to pay your rent. You're still going to pay your credit cards. I'm still going to go to work. Like, it's not going to

yeah. You know, when they came out with these, hey, we've got, we've got these videos of these UFO things flying around. Like, and they finally, the, they finally came out and said, okay, this is true. We know it's true. We don't really know what they are. And they have these hearings, like the, the, the economy, nothing crashed. The economy. The economy. Nothing crashed. The economy. didn't crash. People didn't quit their jobs or weren't mass suicide. So why not say something? Right. You know? Yeah, the question is, what are they? And that should have been the feeler, right? Like, let's, we'll give it a little, give them a little bit. Let's, let's leak this, see what they do. Okay, well, it seemed to fine. Yeah, I think nobody. So, find, give me a little bit

more. You can keep pushing. You can give us a little bit more. Like, clearly we can handle it. It's, I'm sure that it's no worse than. our worst fears, right? Like if they've been here and they're occupying deep parts of the ocean or they're living underground or they're living in another dimension when they're with us all the time, then you know, you can say that

because it doesn't affect us. It's just curiosity. Like, okay, well, now that makes sense. And what are those things? Well, sometimes this happens in this. You give a basic understanding, you go, okay, so they don't really cause a problem, do they? Are they really coming and kidnapping us

and doing experiments? No, that's not really happening. Or maybe they say, well, yeah, that's happened a few times. We don't really know. Nobody's going to storm the capital because of that. Yeah, I don't think so either. I think the way they're trying to do it is like slowly drip it out. Like slowly get people used to it.

Like documentaries. We're going to do 50 years of sci-fi movies. Then we're going to release some tapes. Then we're going to. Or maybe not. Maybe they're just going to keep. Maybe they're just going to keep. It's a hundred year plan.

Maybe there's going to keep inching us closer and closer and closer to it and closer and closer and then never fucking say anything. and just make us feel like we're going crazy and make us fucking... It's a sciops? It's just drive us insane. Kind of like how now, you know, the loudest voices on the internet saying the most absurd stuff, get the most attention and the most views and all that stuff to where like nothing is fucking real anymore. Whatever's up must be down. If the government says it's raining outside, I'm going to go check because I don't think they're lying because they're probably lying.

Right. It could be that too. Who fucking knows. But I mean, it seems like there's overwhelming evidence that that's there's something going on. Yeah. I've never personally seen it. No, me neither. I do like thinking about it, though.

I think it's crazy that, I think it's crazy, though, that like, I think it's super plausible that if there is another civilization here, it's not from like Mars or some other planet. I think it's definitely here because like we've explored more of Mars than we've explored of our own ocean floors. Like we've, this planet's 70% ocean. Yeah. So you said we've explored more of the surface of Mars than we have explored of our own ocean. Well, because we can't photograph it from the, you know, from space, right? So you can't photograph the bottom of the ocean. So.

Well, yeah, we, like, you have to go down there. Isn't it saying that we can put a lunar rover on Mars and go all across to take photos and videos, but we can't do that on the ocean floor? It's a lot of pressure. Pretty wild. A lot of pressure. Yeah. Water's, you know, it's heavy. Crushes stuff.

Yeah. So, I mean, like, if they have like some sort of super advanced technology that can handle, like, atmospheric pressure that deep, maybe they do have fucking caves and stuff under there. I mean, think about it this way. Think about if there was some sort of like catastrophe on Earth right now, like a comet hit us or there was a nuclear war or whatever there was. Who would survive? It would be probably like some uncontacted tribes in the Amazon and Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos. Because they have their compound.

And then stuff on the underneath the ocean. So yeah, yeah, continuity government stuff. So you would have billionaires, super smart billionaires with tons of, money and you would have the highest levels of the government and military with their underground bases and their underwater bases and all that, whatever they have. And people that are in nuclear submarines would probably survive. You should have built a bunker here. That's the, that's what happened. He should have had a bunker. You might be probably do have a bunker. He probably didn't show me the bunker. He showed me the whole place. And then he started to go show

me the bunker. He's like, I don't want Matt banging on the door in six months when the asteroids come and say, let me in. Daddy, please. I got you 10. million views. Could you imagine how crazy that would fucking be, bro? Like, you saw, you know, you know what it was like when the hurricanes hit. Like, this town was like Mad Max when the hurricanes hit, bro. Yeah, because you were front line. I was right here.

I was in Wesley Chapel and we, like, we didn't have electric for like three days and, no, four days no electric and I think three days of no phone service. And that was just bizarre. I've been in Florida, you know, my whole life, albeit. three years and some incarceration. But that was also, that was also, uh,

in Florida. So, but I've never had four days of, of electric, uh, going out. That was, and we were in Wesley Chapel.

We're, that's like, that's like 10, 15 miles from, from, and so this place is flooded and, you know, like this area here, like you're right on.

Oh, this whole area was underwater. That's nuts. It was like Mad Max, bro. Like people were like sitting on their roofs because, their whole houses were underwater. And it was insane.

Like, shit was closed. Grocery stores were running out of everything. No gas stations had fucking gas. You'd have to plan your day around like weird survival things. You know, like I was using my truck to power my house at one point. I mean, I got a generator and I got like propane and all that. It's just like how you have to restructure is crazy. But that's just a fucking hurricane.

Just losing power for a couple days. Like now imagine if there was like a catastrophe that. killed millions and millions, if not billions of people. And there was only a couple thousand people that survived. Well, the thousands of people that survived would be those Mark Zuckerbergs, Elon Musk's, military generals, the presidents, those people. So those people are left. They're just going to breed. They're going to repopulate. And then eventually, maybe humans will start to sprout back up. Humanity will start to evolve again. And then maybe it takes a couple hundred thousand years for them to get back to where you were when that asteroid hit at that point you've

evolved already you've been maybe you've been underground maybe your conditions have been changed maybe the sky was blacked out you're not getting enough sun your diet's changed maybe there's inbreeding the you're getting more homogenized and and there's going to be you're going to look different maybe you're going to communicate different maybe you're going to i don't know who knows how you evolve i'm not an anthropologist but like if that humanity did kind of restart and they got to the point where we are now, imagine what we would look like if we were a 500,000 years more advanced, you know? Right.

Maybe we would have the technology to conceal ourselves from the apes that are populating and kind of re-envolving, but we would want to keep an eye on, make sure they don't blow each other up. There's been literally super high-ranking people at these nuclear sites that have, I have a guy coming on the podcast soon, who is one of them. Like, if you have to be, to be one of those guys, those Air Force officers that work at those ICBM bunkers, you have to be tip top peak, like highest level psychologically sound. Right.

Because you have your fingers on the buttons. Yeah. These guys are literally saying fucking UFOs came and hovered over our ICBM missiles and turned them off. Or in Russia, it happened too. They said they pointed them at the United States and armed them. And then like, it's like, just kidding. They turned them off. So if those people are saying this stuff's real, I don't know.

I don't know how to. You believe it. I believe it. Yeah. So, right. Like that, that's what we would do, though. Like if we were those people that were like a breakaway, we survived through a cataclysm and humanity reset and we evolved technologically, we would want to make sure that

primitive us that's evolving again isn't going to destroy this planet that we live on. Right. Ryan, is it Ryan Gossett? Ryan Gosling? Gosling, thank you. I knew how to say his name wrong. So he has a movie coming out. Did you have you seen that?

No, I've seen part of it. I've seen a few movies. Did you see the, it's the one where he's, uh, where the moon, the moon one. No, it's not the, it's not the moon. It's where the stars, where the stars. So it's like a virus is affecting stars and they're, they're, they're, they're basically collapsing. And so he's like a school, like a science teacher at a high school or something. And they go and they like NASA or somebody comes and they grab him and bring him to NASA.

And he's like, what's going on? They're like, okay, here's what's happening. For some reason they choose him. And he's like, we're going to, they're like, we're going to put you to sleep. And we're going to send you off here because there's one star that it hasn't been affected. But it's about to affect the sun. And it's been going, it's a virus. And we want to know what's happening here so we can try and fix it.

Listen, the, the trailer. The trailer is amazing. It's amazing. It's like a dark comedy, but it's, it's great. Full screen this bitch. Very interesting. That looks badass. Yeah, I think the alien is like rock based or something.

The aliens is cute. The aliens, yeah, it's, it's, listen, that trailer, which the movie may suck, but that trailer is, is, is close to like interstellar kind of trailer. Oh, no, I knock my bow off. Interstellar was just. Yeah, it's hard to top interstellar. Yeah, yeah. It's hard to beat Matthew McConaughey, too. Yeah.

But this, you know, I just had a NASA astronaut on the podcast last. Did you? Yeah. One of the last, there's four guys still alive that walked on the moon. He's, oh, there's. Charlie Duke. He was on Apollo 16. Oh, okay.

He's one of the last four guys of living that walked on the moon. He was in his 80s. 90. Wow. And he's all there? He's pretty sharp, dude. Okay. He's pretty sharp.

I had him on here debating the world's number one moon landing denier. Oh, I saw this. I saw the, okay, I saw this. Wow. Yeah. How did that go? Not great. What are the numbers?

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problem 90 year old no he wasn't angry charlie was very nice charlie charlie was very calm and cordial was the other guy dick the problem was yeah he was a dick but i kept him in check i i i did a i tried my best to keep him in check um the problem was like the old guy's old right yeah and he's got I think he suffers from short-term memory loss. I spent at least three months. How long did we schedule this thing? We scheduled this thing three months ago. Yeah, yeah.

So we scheduled it three months in advance, right? And I spent, I had numerous phone calls with Charlie, the astronaut. I talked to one of the phone maybe 12 times, I want to say. You keep calling you bingey or something? No, no, no. I was explaining to him like what we were doing. What a podcast is. And like who like explaining him Bart and Bart's all bars positions on why the moon landing was fake and showing him bars website.

By the way, he knew Bart. Like he had known Bart from 20 years prior when Bart called him. Okay. So he's like, I remember this guy. I've seen videos. And Charlie has done podcasts about moon landing deniers. Can I say something? Yeah.

Train wreck or not. It's got over 350,000 views in two days. and it's almost four hours long. Right, yeah. I mean, that's, that's a great, that's a great result. Let me explain. He's done podcasts like this before. He's with it.

He seems sharp on all the other podcast interviews that he's done, right? Like, especially for a 90-year-old. I've never talked to a 90-year-old that's that with it. Okay. So he's like, yeah, I talk to these people all the time, Danny. He's like, no problem. So I'm like, so I sent him Bart's website, talk to him about what Bart believes.

asked him, you know, talk to him. I walked him through over the phone. Some of the biggest points that I think Bart had and that Bart's going to bring to the table. No problem, whatever. Anyways, I kept talking to him. I talked to him once a week for probably three months. He gets here and then he's like, what are we discussing? I was like, no.

Every like 30 minutes, he's like, I don't understand the purpose of this conversation. Are you trying to tell me you don't believe? By the way, here's another interesting tidbit. the moment the astronaut walked into the studio and Bart, the moon landing denier was here, the first thing Charlie Duke said to him was, didn't you call me 20 years ago and say that you don't think I went to the moon? And the moon landing denier was like, wow, you remember that? Yeah, that was me.

It's nice to finally meet you in the flesh. We sat down for the four-hour podcast and he, like, sitting where you are, was telling him, like, are you trying to tell me you don't believe the moon landing happened? Do you think I'm lying? I didn't go to the moon? Like, was this later in the day? Or was it early? It was one o'clock. I think we started to film. Because you know, they, so when you get older, they have something called the twilight, uh, twilight, um, no, because I picked, I personally picked him up from the airport the night, the night before. And we had a great conversation. It was like nine o'clock at night. How many, you know, it could have been anything that

threw him off or his routine off. Like my mom would have like in the morning when she woke up for several hours, she was really, really sharp. And then they had that she would hit that kind of twilight where it got to be six or seven, eight o'clock. And she got bad. Like she got bad. She didn't, she forgot things. She told you things over and over again. She, it was bad. Like, you know, and she was in her, she was 90, 90, you know, from 90 to 92, you know, so it was no good. And I noticed that, like, I've always thought that, you know, if I had somebody older on or if you talk to older people, I always take it in a consideration. But you're saying it was one o'clock in the day. So that doesn't make sense.

Maybe he was tired or that's too bad. No, I was jacking him up with coffee. I was feeding him all kinds of shit to get him stimuli. I offered him some smelling salts. He didn't want that. But he seemed fine, man. We did like, we took one break in four hours. Well, you know, his resident time zone is two hours.

No, he's in South Carolina. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, I mean, that's, you know, it's funny because at that age, like, in a week, two days later, the next day, he might have been fucking sharp as attack and tore the dude and a half. Yeah, maybe. You know, that's, it's a, it's a, it's a dicey. Like I interviewed a guy who he's a skyjacker the other day. A skyjacker?

Yeah, yeah, right after, um, DB. Are we talking about like stevo, stevo, skyjacking? No. Like DB Cooper. How did he said stevo? Skyjacking. Like DB Cooper. Steve for his last tour, he went up on a plane and jacked himself off to, he finished on the plane and then jumped out of the plane.

Well, it wasn't that. And he called it skyjacking. Oh, God. This guy was, I think this guy was in his late 80s. And he did 30 years in prison for 30, maybe 40 years in prison for skyjacking, not the stevo, you know, no stevo. Yeah, and it was right after D.B. Cooper. And he told an amazing story, but towards the end of the story, he started getting a little loopy.

You know, he started, and it got to a point where we were wrapping it up, and he started telling another story. And we're like, okay, well, you know, and he started telling another. And it got to the point, he's like, did I mention such and such? And it was like, you know, like, you know, yeah, you did. And he did a great job. But you're sitting there thinking, wow,

He's so sharp. But then he would do these things where he'd start talking about something 10 years earlier, 10 years. It wasn't chronological. We'd have to bring him back. And then he'd start to tell the same story again. You know, there's little things. And you're like, now there's a documentary on him, which is phenomenal because, of course, there's 30 hours of editing, you know, or 30 hours of footage. And they trim it down.

And so you've got three hours of an amazing video. And the thing was good. But it was a remote. It didn't do very well. That was a remote podcast? Yeah. I hate doing remotes. It was no good.

Like, remotes are horrible. They don't do well for, for me. I don't like doing them. And, uh, but it was the same thing.

Like he was great. I had certain things he was great. And there are other things where it's like, I don't think he understood what understands right now what we're talking about. He's just, how did he sky? How do you, how do you,

he just like, he hijacked the plane. Going up there with a box cutter and like threatening to cut their throats. Like he had a gun. He had a gun. He had a gun. This was prior to, this wasn't D.B.

Cooper where he said he had a bomb. this guy got on with a weapon and he skyjacked or he he it while the plane was in the air he pulls the weapon out and then they land and then he lets off almost everybody oh wow and then just before there was nice that yeah almost everybody he keeps a few people and he gets the money like they he says i want i don't know what it was 300,000 or something he gets it and then as the plane's about to take off again he's going to have it go up somewhere and he's going to jump out same exact plane is D.B. Cooper with the rear rear staircase. And so as the plane,

listen to us, as the plane is going down, everybody knew that this was happening. So the local news knew what was happening. And there was a bar that was like a mile or two from the airport. And they were playing this on the local news. And this is at night, right? So this is like 10, 11, 12 o'clock at night. Some drunk at the bar was like, this is ridiculous.

Somebody needs to do something about this. And he goes and he gets in his car, his new Cadillac, and he bashes through the fence and he drives down the runway as the plane's starting to take off and he rams the plane. The car blows up. So it stopped.

And this guy's got his weapon. He's like, what the fuck is happening? He thinks it's maybe the FBI. Anyway, he ends up saying, I need another plane. He thinks, you know, don't fuck with me, that kind of stuff. So they get him another plane.

Everybody gets out of that plane, goes on the next plane, they take off. And when he jumps out of the plane, he's never jumped out of the plane before. I mean, I was like, you've never, he says, this is the guy that was on your podcast? Yeah, he's insane.

I'm like, you never jumped out of a plane. He's like, no, I never jumped on a plane. So he, but so when he jumps out, he was, he kind of like had the bag with the money. And first of all, where'd the money come from? Well, he, he asked for the airline to give them money. And they do. They would back then.

Hundreds of thousands. Yes. D.B. Cooper got like, oh, wow. 250,000 or 300,000. So he got something like that, two, 300,000. Because he knew D.B. Cooper got away with it. So he's like, this guy got away with it.

And there was no security back then. So Steve, you give me a white rabbit. Yeah, but they're not cold. Oh, cold. So what he ends up doing is he, he, he, so he jump, when he jumps out, have you ever perisher, have you ever skydived? What flavor is that? Okay, that works.

I've never skydived. No desire. So the, when the, when the, when the, when the, when the parachute, you first of all, you're dropping very fast. And so when the parachute, um, deploys, the harness, yank. yanks into you. I mean, it yanks in. Like, there's actually, you can get yanked by the harness so bad that it can, it can sever your testicle. Like, you have to have it. Yeah, well, that's what, that's the whole thing with, uh, Marcus Schrenker. I wrote that book, uh, bailout. Yeah, I remember that.

So he said it happened to him. I don't, I think he's got it both as nuts, but whatever. But that, it's a true thing. I talk to guys and they're like, oh, no, they make it's a big deal, like with these guys. They're like, oh, no, you, you, you, it'll happen. But you get yanked. If you do it once, you get yanked, you realize like, wow, he'd never done it. So he's like kind of holding the bag. So when he pulls a parachute, woo, it yanks, whoa. The bag just yanks right out of his hand. He loses the money.

Look at great. And he's like, I'm going down. I can't see nothing. I can see one light. And I'm trying to think, well, I got to remember where the, if I could try and triangulate, I can figure out where the money went. There was no light. There was one light.

I don't know where I'm at. I don't know how far I'm at. I don't know. he does end up landing. He actually goes to sleep for a few hours. He phones a friend. The police chief... And does somebody land the plane?

Yeah, because it was... Yeah, it was a commercial airline. He didn't just ghost ride the plane. Oh, no. There was... No, he's not a pilot. He couldn't take off. He didn't...

So he actually hitchhikes and the sheriff of the town picks him up and actually says to him, he's like, what are you doing? And he's a little scratched up and sees, he's like, oh, I got had an issue with some buddies. And yeah, I just need to go to a motel. He's like, okay. yeah you said you can't be walking right out here he's we're looking for that skyjacker you hear about that and it had been a day or two because he fell asleep in the woods he was beat up he was fucked up he's looking for the money he's so anyway they take him to the hotel drop him off he calls a friend

his friend eventually comes to pick him up but by the time they pick he picks him up he's like he had planned it with like two two other people knew well as soon as they heard what had happened these guys called the cops they rat in of course they're like they're like we were we were we They didn't really think he would do it. And they are the ones who kind of help plan it. So they're like, fuck. You know, like, what's happening? And the guy's calling me?

You're calling me to pick you up. Like, what are you doing? And he's like, what about the, what's happening with? I lost the money. Oh, Jesus, there's nothing good in this for me. You're calling the cops. So, yeah, he gets grabbed. And then when he goes to prison, he hooks up with a con man who convinces a woman to,

to come see him. He gets her to fall in love with him. He was a very charismatic guy. Like he could talk to these women and they were sending him money and he's talking to multiple women. Convinces this woman to come see him. They start seeing each other.

Convances her to break him out of jail by going to a helicopter, get a helicopter pilot, get a gun, tell him you're going to go up you're a real estate agent, you're going to look for property from the air. You've got a big buyer that wants to buy a bunch of acreage. So talks to, talks her into going and she hires a helicopter pilot. And when he takes her up to go supposedly go look for this stuff, she pulls the gun out and

says, we're going to land over here in the rec yard. You're picking up these two guys. And they're there, they're waiting. He's like, we can see the helicopter. We're waiting. and the guy was he'd flown a bunch he was like a military career military guy who just started doing the helicopter thing so he's like a he's flown like you know a thousand or so you know a helicopter trips in vietnam or so like this is not the guy to try and you're some chick and at some point she's looking out and he turns around he grabs her and he yanks she fires the gun a few times oh god and he actually he lets go of the the the throttle thing and grabs the gun yanks it away from her and he grabs the gun yanks it away from her and he grabs her and yanks it away from her and he grabs her and he's it away from her and he. And he's now he's got the gun and she he's like, he literally said, you know, oh, well, that's fine. I got another one. And reaches into her, her bag to pull out the other gun and the guy turns around just pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, and just shoots her, kills her.

So he got more time for that. It's, it's an insane story. But it didn't do well. We released it on. How long was he in prison? For like 40 years or something. I tried to get them to bring them to me. Like, you know what I'm saying?

And they were like, look, he's like 80 something years old. old. Like he, he can't, you know, he can't like. Where's he live? Oh gosh. You some worse. One of those square states up north. I don't know. Yeah. You know, like his, you know, he was 80. Yeah, he was. I got a 90 year old astronaut to come here, bro. You can get an 80 year old. I could. I probably should have pushed harder because he was very good at it. I mean, he was very good at the podcast. He did a great job. And, uh, but he they, they said no. And it was no. And it was a sounds like a fun one though. It was fun. He was fun. He was fun. He was very fun. And he was very, he wasn't, like he could tell a story. And he was, he was,

like I said, he was very with it for the bulk of the thing. It's just the problem was, it was, it was remote and we released it. Like Colby didn't want to release it. Oh, we didn't want to do any of these anymore. And so I did it. And he's like, I'm going to release, I'll release it on Thanksgiving. Mm. Because he knows if we, we, we don't want to release it on a decent on a, on a, in a normal day, because he's like, it's going to get dog shit, um, views anyway. Sorry, I got to do we have a napkin? Uh, Oh, I got to get a leak anyways. Take a quick break.

It was yesterday I was talking, I interviewed this guy for like four and a half hours. And he was talking about like, you know, making, you know, millions of dollars. And I was just like, and he was talking about, you know, doing some crepe was talking about just crazy things that he was doing. And I was just thinking to myself like, I just don't, I don't think that would change me. I don't, wouldn't go on vacation anymore. I wouldn't. You know what I probably do is I probably fly first class. Like if I made a million dollars a year, I probably would buy like a house, like a nicer house, even though I love my, my, I like the place I live right now. We've been there like three years. Like I just don't know that my life would change because I feel like I've got everything. I got more than what I thought I would ever have. So I'm so happy. You know, my big issue is. Plus you've already been rich and broke. I know. But even then I don't think I was I was, I was never.

bought like a Lamborghini. I never did any of those things, you know, as cocky and arrogant as I am, I never did those things. But that was also because I didn't want people watching me or asking questions or bringing, you know, because of course I was wanted and I'm doing, I was doing illegal things. Like I don't want to, I can't drive, but you drive a fucking Lamborghini and you're stealing millions of dollars from the bank. Like, it's going to catch up with you faster than it already did. Right. But I'm saying right now, if I got that, if I legally was making a million a year, I just don't know that anything would change for me. I just don't know.

I think I would, I might. Like I said, I probably start flying first class. I'd probably get a personal trainer. I'm getting nicer cameras for the podcast. We've got great. I think those cameras we have are, we just got really nice cameras. Right.

We got black magic with the whole black magic setup. It's like we got the switcher, the whole thing. You get a personal trainer? I'm saying I probably would get someone that would follow. me around nonstop and not let me eat. Because that's what it'd take. And he'd have to be a big fucker too because I'm, I'm, you know, and I need to lose 20 pounds. And he's... Are you getting over? Are you getting fat? Yeah, you know, I hide it well, but yeah, I'm like one... I'm over 190. Are you still on the gas?

One... Yeah. Yeah, I am. But I'm not working out. I'm taking tests and I'm not working out. Right. Which is stupid. Why aren't you working out? You used to work out every morning. I know, bro. I'm so fucking lazy. I don't know what happened. This is, I just, it's horrible.

I got comfortable and I'm, dude, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, could, I, I, don't work out enough. I work out maybe two days a week now for the last couple months and I have three kids. Yeah, but you, you, you're a full-time mom, right? It's, it's still, is it still, there's still responsibilities for you? Well, yeah. Are you kidding me? I spend so much goddamn time with my kids, bro.

Are you serious? All morning. All morning. I wake up, freaking 7 a.m. Getting them ready for school, getting them breakfast, getting them lunch for the day, getting them dressed, take them to school. Come back, go to work. As soon as I get home from work, they're there. They got to get dinner, bath, teeth brush, ready for bed, play around with them.

I'm not doing all that. That's crazy. You got to get somebody. Where's your wife? What do you mean? Was somebody else to raise my kids? Get a nanny. They got old pairs.

They'll like they'll do it for this to get room and board in the house. No, I'm not at least going to spend as much time as I'm not working. I'm going to spend some time with my kids, bro. I don't want to have someone else raise my children. Well, now you're still there. You just get to watch from a distance. Then my kids are going to come in at the last minute. They're going to grow up to be a fucking financial credit card thief for stealing money from banks or even worse letting their best friends fuck their wives making sex tapes.

What are you? Oh my God. What is, boy. I don't want my kids to grow up to be degenerates. I want to be there. I want to be a present father. I didn't say you weren't there. I'm just saying I'd need some help.

There's three of them. You're outnumbered. I got my wife. My wife carries the majority of the weight. Okay. That's what I'm saying. You made it sound like you were running. She picks them up from school.

I mean, she makes their lunch pretty much every day. She makes their dinner pretty much every night. But I'm like, they're helping. We got a baby. It's a lot. We just got a puppy, a pit bull puppy. That's a problem. That's enough of a problem.

We can put him in the cage. He's tearing me up. Look, I'm all scratched up. I'm all the listen because we got a pit bull because, you know, it was questionable whether we were white trash or not. And we said, let's just get the pit bull and just let's go ahead and just go all in. Right. You know, let's go ahead and let's let's make this fine. Let's make this official.

We're going to get a pit bull puppy. Yeah. And yeah, that's one pit bull puppies a lot. I can't imagine three kids. It's insanity. They're running around. They're breaking stuff. They're, they're, you get there, they're pooping in diapers.

or they're, oh, it's just, it's a problem. It's too much. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. It's hard to find time for myself, especially to do workouts. You know, every time I find myself in the gym, it's like, fuck, I got to leave in 10 minutes. Let me see if I can get a quick workout in or like before I leave here, you know. You have a gym outside. Right. That's what I'm saying. Like, if I'm, like, I'm like I'm saying, I have to be home at a certain time. I'm like, for me, my, my workouts are like, I got to leave here in 10, 15 minutes. I can squeeze in a quick 10, 15 minute workout before I fucking go home. Like, I don't get to carve out three hours, two hours of the day to work out. Well, the nice thing is, too, if you're here, you can, you can do arms. That's 15 minutes at most.

Right. That's what I have to do. And then you do whatever you're doing. You do a podcast. That guy leaves. You knock out, you know, shoulders. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can do it bits and pieces because the gym's right there. It doesn't require me to do anything to do it. So that was, that's perfect. But I, I unfortunately don't have that. You don't even have three kids. So what the fuck's your excuse? It's just, I'm lazy, bro. I got lazy all of a sudden. I don't know. I need Andrew Tate to follow me around and yell at me and tell me, you're a loser, you know. And, you're a loser. You know. And, and. do something. You know, I do play his, you don't look fat. You definitely lost some muscle, though. You've no idea. Listen, you know, and listen, like, you know, we used to, when we'd have sex, I'd turn the lights down for the mood. Now it's just to hide everything. It's, you know, it's horrible. Really? Yeah, you know, like I want to close my eyes during sex. It's not good. I got all kinds of stuff jiggling. All kinds of stuff. I got that arm thing that women get. Oh, yeah. The batwing.

How old are you? Yeah. I'm 56. I got to start working out. I got to lose weight and start working out. I just use all the excuses. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, oh, I got a podcast.

We don't have time for this. Or, oh, I got the, I used the podcast as an excuse. As an excuse to get outside and work out and, like, eat well. If I'm like, if I, like, before a podcast, I make sure I'm like outside. I do cardio or do like a little workout. I know. And I need to do all of that. I mean, I'm absolutely.

I mean, I absolutely have to start doing that. Yes. I started a diet yesterday, and then today it's already going bad. Are you still eating the hungry man's? It's already going bad. Hungry man. Linguines. Ling cuisines.

Yeah, that's all I had yesterday was a lean cuisine and like maybe eight or nine olives. And then it was great that I wake up and I was like, that's great. And then this morning I woke up and I had maybe 20 olives and some pickle slices. Do you eat those liquezines every day? Yeah, like, well, when I'm dieting, I typically, that's, I'll try to. eat like one meal a day. Maybe a snack one or two small snack things, something silly, but in a lean cuisine and then I work out. Maybe I'll eat a, you know, like a white chicken chicken breast, you know, the can of white chicken breasts. You put a little mayo in there and

eat it. You know, I'll do that. But the problem is is that then I eat it and I'm like, fuck, that's not enough. Next thing you know, I'm eating all kinds of little stuff. And before you know what, I'm full. And I'm like, did you just fill up on bullshit? Yeah. That's my problem, dude. When I get home from work, you don't have a problem. I just saw you take your shirt off to put on your health outfit and you're chiseled. Yeah, but I have a problem with snack. Like when I get home, I'm like, my kids are like, if they're eating dinner, I'll be like picking little pieces off their plate or like my wife will have like some chips and

salsa laying on the counter or like some my kids are eating Doritos. So there's a bag of Doritos in the kitchen and I'm just fucking hammering those Doritos while I'm cooking dinner or while I'm whatever I'm doing. Especially if I'm cooking dinner, I'm snacking like crazy. By the time I'm done cooking, I've eaten half of peanut butter and jelly, a handful of of chocolate covered almonds, half of a bag of Doritos. And I'm like, oh, God, I feel like dog shit. I came and fucking, I don't even have room to my stomach to finish the steak I just cooked.

So yeah, that's a problem with my discipline is just like the snacking. And, uh, yeah, even though you can't tell, I can feel it. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard we have to I feel. You need to start doing your podcasts on us on a treadmill. Yeah, I need something. I need something. I'm gonna, I'm, I'm gonna get back into it. I have to get back into him. I'm too old to get to get overweight. Yeah. And look at him. He's in. He looks fucking phenomenal. Right. Like I can't, I can't let it go. I can't. And this is another thing I always say to. He does. He gets in the cold plunge every day and does a song and shit every day. He's like hardcore. Yeah, that's insane. But I, I, the problem is is like I'll talk to Jess and Colby and stuff. I'm like, listen, like this thing has to like at my age, I don't have a 20 year shelf life. Right. Like nobody wants to watch a 60. 60, you know, in 10 years, you're 66 years old.

Nobody's watching a 66 year old do a podcast. You got to look younger. That's what I'm saying. I got to be at least be in good shape. So people say, oh, yeah, this guy's older, but he's in great shape and he takes care of himself. And something that they can say, wow. But at the rate I'm going now, they're going to be, look at this fat fucking old man. Still trying to do a podcast.

Yeah, bro. You got to take care of yourself. They'll be like, how did he get a million subscribers? He's so old. That's what they're going to say. He's an old fat man. He's got over a million subs because I'll be there in a couple months. Yeah.

But then it's going to dwindle. And then it'll just kind of, I'll hopefully can maintain the million subs. And then all the views go off. And, you know, I'm getting social security. And I'm, I'm living in a single wide with my old puppy. Bro, you got to balance the work life. You got to have a life too. You can't just be fucking making podcast 24-7.

I know. That's why. That's when your hell starts. My guest don't show up. Not half, but it is about, we schedule like six. six podcasts, maybe seven podcasts a week to get three or four people to show up. They just, they don't make the plane or they, you know, somebody dies or they, they get sick or there's, listen, I had a guy the other day that was a nightmare guest. And I should have known this because he was kind of a problem starting off. And by the end of the, by the end of the whole thing, you know, it was. we'd put him up in a hotel that he kind of tricked me into getting and then he then we had to get him another room or another hook tricked you yeah because yeah at the last minute he kind of

didn't have the money and if he could just give him the money and it was like okay and so we got well we paid for a hotel we paid for his flight and then he at the last minute he tried to cancel everything because he wanted his girlfriend to go unless i could pay for her and i was like well i can't pay for her I'm not paying for her. And then he was like, I was like, I mean, somehow or another, I said,

okay, I can get you another night at the hotel, but you have to pay for the flight. So he pays for the flight, but he paid for the flight, he pays for the flight with like a credit card that he knows, like a debit card that he knows his account

doesn't have money in it. But the ticket goes through and he gets the ticket. And so she gets on the plane and gets the flight there, but then it reverses. And now they canceled a ticket. And so now she's stuck in Tampa.

He's like, oh, she's, and I'm not leaving without her. and he's in the hotel room that we got him. So we get him another hotel room because he's like the next day, everything will be fine because this is going to happen and this. The next day, he doesn't get the money he thinks he's going to get. And now he's kind of stuck in Tampa.

And I'm going, what is hilarious? Like, and I'm sitting there going, this is not my responsibility. Like, none of this was my responsibility. And I only helped him out because he was like down on his person coordinating all this yourself. Yes, but it wasn't that. his stuff didn't work. It was that his girlfriend who we brought with him. Why don't you hire like somebody to like handle that stuff, like handle the coordinating flights and hotels and all that's because all that's going to happen is that person is going to be calling me saying,

listen, this guy said this, this guy said, because that's what's happening. Well, eventually what happened was I gave my, I forget, we sent him like a hundred bucks or 200 bucks and I said, bro, don't call, don't contact me again. I said, you got nothing else coming. This is your problem. I told you not to bring your fucking girlfriend. That's the nature of people that you have on your show though. It is. You have degenerates on your show. Or you'll get some guy on the show and he's telling his story. And he's, and so, and you're sitting there like, what's?

I'm looking at Colby, you know, my Stephen. I'm looking at him. And he's like, what the fuck's going on? And the guy's, he's all tweaking out. And you're like, oh, this guy's on something. Like nobody's, what's happening here? And, you know, they're nuts. And they'll be like, really, sometimes you'll get a guy.

He's like, he's starting to go down. He's like, hey man, listen, I'm, I got to go to the bathroom. And then he comes back from the bathroom. He's like, yeah, man, let's go. What's going on? Let's go, let's do it. And I'm thinking, what, what, what did he find in the bathroom? Like, did he bring something with him in the bathroom?

So, yeah, some of these guys are, you know, or they're argumentative. Doing blow in the bathroom in between takes. It's not everybody, but every once in a while. You know, they can't find the fucking places. Like it's on Google Maps. My favorite is when people come on the show and, uh, Mostly they see like the the writers the academic types like the younger ones they're coming in their fucking pupils are like saucers and you can it's Adderall. Oh, okay. These people are coming in. They're like, they're like robots. Yes. And this is like how it works. And they're explaining it. They're very robot. You can tell the way they act robotic and their fucking pupils are just giant. You can always tell. Adderall's not good for podcasts. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I just listen. I don't. When Bubba came on, he was telling me that he has like a special. concoction. He didn't want me to say it, but I said it anyways. He got mad. He's like for every show he does in the morning. He takes like a little bit of an adderol and like a weed gummy. And somehow the combination of the adderall and the marijuana gummy like puts him in some sort of a pocket where he's like he's a little bit, a little bit loose. His mind's working on like another level, but he's also got that adoral infatamine and keeping him locked in like laser focus. He's like it's like a it's like a it's like a

secret little combo cocktail he uses every day for a show. He's a funny guy, man. Yeah, he is a fucking wild guy. He just, he just does not stop. Listen, I had like, we've been sharing guests and what? You have?

Yeah. And I forget, what was the guest's name? He was a guy who did the white, his name was Craig. He did the white speaker, white van speaker scam. And I had done one and I thought he was great.

And it was probably a two-hour podcast. And then I said, hey, and I said, Bubba, do you want to do this? This is this guy's really good. He'd be good for you. And I think Bubba did, they did like four hours or something. I mean, he was like, he said, man, he just kept asking questions and asking. He was like, it went on forever. Like, and so he's super inquisitive in his interview.

And of course, he talks too. So you got an hour and a half, two hour podcast. It ends up being four hours. Yeah. Bubba was trying to, he was trying to shame me because I don't shave my arms. He's like, why don't you shave your arms? I'm like, I'm not going to fucking, why would I shave my arms? He's like, you got to shave your arm.

I got to shave everything. Shave your legs, shave your arm, shave your body. That's what the women like. I'm like, no, Bubba. That's not what the women like. He's like, what about your, what about your, your balls? You shave your balls? I don't want to.

I don't have this conversation. I'm like, I trim it. He's like, mine's like a hardwood, hardwood floor. Straight down to nothing. Straight to the skin. I wanted to be like, Bubba. You know the kind of people that shave their arms? The kind of people that let their best friend fuck their wives.

Oh, my. You guys are... I thought about that after the podcast, but I should have said that, too. Oh, God. You guys are brutal. You're the second person I know that said that in the last day or two. Said what? About shaving your arms?

No. No. Oh, about Bubba let him fuck his wife? Yeah. Yeah, I went to... We went to dinner. with them with Bubba and his girlfriend. And we went and played and went bowling with him.

Really? Wow. I think Bubba beat me once or twice. I don't know. I think he might have beat us. And I don't think he's bowling. I think he wasn't, he hadn't bowled in, I forget 20 years or something. I don't know what it. Look at you, Matt Cox.

Yeah, I like going bowling. I'm not great at it, but I like going and it's fun to hang out with and Jess likes it. Do you ever play ping pong? No. I got a ping pong table. He can play some ping pong if you want. What about foosball?

Do you have foosball? Air, what about? No. Air hockey? No. Fuzball? You don't know, foosball with the little soccer player? Yeah, I know it is.

No, I don't typically play that. I don't go, typically those are only like bars, you know. Yeah. I got the ping pong table. We're gonna get a pool table. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm no good at pool, but I like playing. I'm gonna get a golf simulator for that very far thing where you can hit the golf ball in there and you play golf.

And it shows it go, yeah. And then we got the half pipe, we can skate. What is going on? Like you're building a, uh, a Rob Derrick. Yeah, fantasy factory. Fantasy factory, but without a TV show. This is what I've always wanted.

I've always wanted a place like this. I could just do all the fun stuff I like, I enjoy. I would think you would, well, I don't know. I don't know. Because I remember when you talked about building the gym, I was like, oh, he's opening a gym. Nah. No, a personal gym. Just building one for me.

Like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want other people in here using my shit, getting it dirty. People won't take care of it, you know. Touching my things. Yeah. Exactly, bro.

So you've been doing some research. You've been going deep on this Venezuela. I haven't been going deep on the Venezuela. You told me that's what you said. I sent you a link about it. And I needed a deep dive. Yeah. And I was like, I don't know anything about this really.

Trump's going to war with Venezuela. Yeah. I don't want to get rid of Maduro. I don't think he's going to go to. I think he's just going to at some point just bomb the living shit out of them, you know. Well, he's been, he's been blowing the boats out of the water. Yeah. But I don't think, I'm saying I don't think like there will be probably troops.

on the ground. I mean, I could be wrong, but I watched a video and that's what they said. They said it was unlikely that he would move in troops, but they say, because it's not his style, I guess, in the last administration and this administration, like he's, he's okay with, like, shooting, you know, Tomahawk missiles and blowing stuff up and fishing boats. Yeah, blowing up, blowing up stuff and doing strikes and stuff, but he's not really a troops on the ground person. He's trying to just, you know. If he did do troops on the ground, would you support it? Yeah, I don't know.

Is there anything he could do you wouldn't support? I mean, sure, I just don't know what it is, you know? I don't know what it is. Because so far, like, I just don't, I just feel like there's so many things that just don't make sense to me. And that the country does that like, you know, like you give hundreds of millions of dollars to countries that hate our guts, you know, you let people in that hate this country. You know, there's just all these things that these administrations do that it's like that. Why would you do that? Like, why would you? I love the one that Marka Rubio uses where he says, like literally there are, we have refugees that, that like fled or, you know, immigrants that fled some country because they said they were being persecuted. They get, they get status here. And then they go back the next year five or 10 or 15 times on vacation.

to the same country that they said they were being persecuted from and they had to flee from. It's like, this is, this is ridiculous. Or you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, some, some immigrant comes here and they're making $2,500. And it's like, you know, because you're, like, you know, these things don't make sense. Yeah, a lot of things. And then Trump just pardoned the, the, what was the country that he just, he just pardoned the former

president of, um, Honduras, Honduras. Honduras. Yeah, who was a huge narco trafficker. He was in business with El Chapo. I mean, he was flooding in hundreds of millions of dollars in cocaine to the United States and that he just Trump's parted him. And I'm not, and that that's another thing is that like, and then, like, where, I don't understand. I don't get it. I'm not smart enough to understand this stuff. Well, I mean, I understand it because like, that's not true. So I watched a video on his, that his lawyer did. And I watched a video on. Trump's lawyer. No, no, the, the, the, the, the former Honduras president that was just that was just that was.

just on Orlando Hernandez right so do you know what the evidence against him was there were three three he was sentenced to 40 something years right there were three traffickers that testified that had already gotten life sentences that testified at his trial that said i paid him this many millions of dollars to to you know look the other way or i paid him this much money to launder money i I paid them this much to use airspace or move drugs through. So there's three guys that you get that come on the stand. And then there's some documentation that they, nobody can tell where the documents come from. Nobody in the court.

And very few. And they said it was essentially, the lawyer said, that was essentially what the case was. Three people on the stand and some documents that should have never been allowed in. But it was the only thing the government had. And they gave them 45 years. And so there's nothing that shows that he is a narco guilty or anything, but the Biden administration wanted him removed. And now, why would Trump, here's the big question is, yeah, but why would Trump, like, is Trump concerned about this guy being railroaded? Right.

Maybe not. What does he, but what does Trump care about this guy? But why does he give the show? Where's Honduras? It's in South America, right? Right. And we're going, if we do end up going to war with Venezuela, wouldn't it be nice to have one of their neighbors on our side? Do you see what I mean? Like we. And it's like a chess move. It is because in Honduras, the bulk of the population believe that this guy was railroaded. Like he was railroaded by the Biden administration. So I seriously. So he's saying, I pardon him. Right. There's an election coming up. So that sways the election to go with the conservative, the people that the administration. administration's backing, and this guy can then possibly go back. Maybe he becomes president. Maybe the new

president is, of course, he's not hostile to us because the current president is and the guy who's running is hostile to us. So one, we look, you guys think he got railrored by the United States. Well, guess what? I just pardon him. And two, we can always send him back. Not, you can't right now because the current government is hostile to him. But they're having an election and we're hoping it sways the election because he's kind of like letting and it's also a it's also a sign to Venezuela saying look we can be friends like look what we just did we let this guy out this election's about to happen these guys become the the party that we're backing becomes president like we can all be friends but get rid of the president of what's the name mon muduro

yeah sorry yeah get rid of a was it nicholas maduro maduro i remember say Yeah, I'm not good at these names. Yeah. Yeah, Nicholas, get rid of your current president, Maduro. Like, get rid of him, we can all be good. You just got to get, because really he just wants to get rid of him. And also, it's probably about fuel, right? It's probably about gas also.

No, it's not about that. It can't be. It's about, it's about drugs. We don't want drugs in the United States. I don't have a problem, even if it was, I don't have a problem with it being about, about gas. And I don't have a problem with that. Like, everybody's always like, you know, we're bullying this. We give people too much money.

These people hate our guts. We give hundreds of millions, billions of dollars. The people of those countries hate our guts? I don't know. I think a lot of them do hate our guts. Why do you think they hate us? Because the governments push the agenda of that we're horrible. And if you're poor, why it's because of the United States?

Why is it the United States? Oh, the United States. You know, like everybody in North Korea, they all hate our guts. They love, you know, their president. They hate us. They're pushing the agenda that America is this evil person and the reason or this evil empire. And if you don't have anything, it's, they blame it on America. It's sanctions.

It's this. It's that. These countries, it's like what they do. And then, and if you help them, as soon as they get here, like all the, the Muslims that they let in, like all the Somalis and all these Muslims that they let in, they come in and they want to change everything. And as soon as they change it, they hate the United States. and they immediately want to, oh, it's going to be Sharia law, and we're going to build a mosque everywhere. We're going to pray five times a day,

and we're going to shut down traffic. And we're going to, like, what is happening? You're turning this into the same shithole country you fled from. They're not smart. I just don't understand why let anybody in? Why give anybody any money until we have no debt and only give people that support our country? Why, like, it doesn't make sense.

So the things that Trump are doing, makes sense because I feel like it's for the betterment of our country. We're just going to get, you know, in Ukraine, we're the ones giving all the money to Ukraine, not all the money, but we give money to Ukraine for the fight. But everybody else that gives them money in all the European countries, it's a loan. So you're going to pay them back, but you're not going to pay us back. Come on. Like, what are we doing?

Right. I mean, this is the whole thing Trump ran on was ending these pointless forever wars. Yeah. Whenever I'll say stuff about it, I'll go, eh, sometimes he says stupid things. And when I say that, it's not because I don't like Trump. It's because like where he's like, oh, I'll have that work. The first day, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be salt.

Like, that's stupid. Don't say that. You see him that's when I'm, whenever I'm, because people will be like, oh, you, you don't like Trump or you think he's, he says stupid things. Yeah, like that's a stupidest thing. Like, come on, man. You don't know you can do it in a day. The stupidest thing to me is how, I just think it's silly how people like,

to base their whole identity off of a president, off of the current president, or off any politician. Right, right? Like it's so stupid that even that's binary, it's left and right. And people wanna like, their whole character is based on their political,

their political figure that they support, whether it be Biden or whether it be Trump or Kamala or whatever. Yeah, no. And it's so dumb. And it doesn't matter what those people do, they'll fucking support- They'll support anything.

They'll support anything. Anything. Yeah, no, I get it. And I don't think I'm that person, because, but I, I don't know what the policies are yet that I don't support. Does that make, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, I hear what you're saying because you were, because you were calling, there's anything he could do that would, you wouldn't support.

It's like, I'm sure there are. I just haven't had one yet. You know, there's, blowing, blowing the fishing boats out of the waters seems weird to me, because I've had a lawyer in here that I'm friends with who, uh, he actually represented a guy. I don't know if I've told you this story before. He represented a guy, a Colombian guy, probably 15 years ago, who was the captain of a cargo ship that was transporting cargo from Columbia to Tampa. And he was hijacked by the cartel.

The cartel boarded his ship. Basically, they put a gun in his face and said, we're going to kill you and your whole family if you don't smuggle these drugs into the port of Tampa. Right. So obviously he did it. Got to Tampa and he got sentenced to like, he was like facing two life sentences or whatever. And my friend, the lawyer, represented him for free pro bono. He was like his appointed lawyer. This is what started his whole like career.

Got him off, Scott Free. He walked. And he, and this lawyer let him live in his house during this whole trial. He was found guilty. No, he was innocent. They got him off. But that's the point is that now, now he gets hired by like heads of cartels and criminal organizations. in South America to help them.

Like they pay him tons of money to fly down and meet with them in hotels and some Ritz Carlton and like fucking Mexico City or something like that. And none of these guys ever get in trouble. The guys that are at the top of these drug organizations, these cartels, no one ever touches them. It's the poor people of those countries

who are trying to make a buck to feed their families to either manufacture the drugs or smuggle the drugs or drive those fishing boats. Those guys are expendable pawns, right? Right. So what is blowing those boats out of the water going to do? Like you're, I don't, I don't think, well, one, it is stopping whatever was on there. Whatever, whatever drugs were on there. Right. But you're going to blow them up with a fucking $100,000 missile. It's sending a message that here's my problem with, with the only problem I have with that whole, you know, that, that whole blowing these boats out. It seems like theater. I think it is. But Trump is huge on, on, on, you know, saying shocking things, on doing shocking things, right? which, you know, doesn't seem extremely, sometimes it doesn't, he doesn't come off polished and presidential.

But I can't say, I think people like that, though. But I like it. Right, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's like, but I like it. Like, I get it. But there's a difference between that and then blowing up fishing boats with poor fishermen on it.

Right. They're trying to make a, you know, I don't think they're poor fishermen. But I don't think they're poor fishermen. You think there's a rich people that are driving those fucking boats? No, I think that they're just people that work for the cartel. I don't think that they are there was a. all people that are a fisherman, they suck a gun to it, because fishermen don't drive those boats anyway. And these are cartel people that are, these are smugglers. These are guys that are captains of

boats and they know they're working for the cartel. Now, are the cartel sticking a gun to their, to their head and saying, go, you're going to drive this boat? Maybe, but we don't know. You don't know that that's what's happening. And I don't know that these aren't guys that are ingrained members of the cartel. So what I'm saying is my problem with that whole thing is that to me, it's like you are either need to be all in on the cartel, which means all out war in Mexico, in Colombia, in Venezuela, all of them going. Let's just start knocking them out. Just like you would in Afghanistan and in Iraq and Iran and all those places, do the same thing. Or then keep the status quo. You either do that or you say, hey, here's what we're

we're going to do, we're going to come up with, look, marijuana is essentially legal. Then we're going to come up with some kind of a version of marijuana. We're going to make it much cheaper than it is because even if you get a medical marijuana license, I think it's still pretty expensive. That's what I'm told. I don't smoke. So but I'm saying that people, because I'm like, well, it's super cheap now. They're like, no, it's not. Like, I know guys are still buying it like from drug dealers because it's cheaper from the drug deal than it is. I'm like, are you serious? Yeah. Because I thought it would be worth. would be down to almost nothing, but apparently it's not. So it's that. And then I do the same thing

for basically drugs, for harder core drugs, kind of like, kind of like Amsterdam, right? But would not that, because there's lots of stuff that's not legal in Afghanistan. But I'm saying, I would do that. The cartels wouldn't be able to monetize it anymore. That's what I'm saying. You just took away their power. So why not do that? Make it extremely affordable. Tax it and then take the money from the taxes and dump it into rehab so that, look, if you have, you can do this just like, you can drink. You can drink and it's inexpensive, but if you feel like you have a problem, we have a free rehab. You can go to free rehabs and we can let a ton of people out of prisons. You could cut the prison population by 80%.

Well, let's say 70%. 70% and we can take that money and dump it in there too. Like it's one or the other. Go all out and clean these places out or go completely legit and have the pharmaceutical companies be able to monitor it and set the prices for them so they don't gouge everybody and keep the cartels in business. You can run the cartels out one of two ways. One is brutal. Are innocent people going to get killed? Absolutely. You start indiscriminately bombing cartel areas. It's going to be bad. Some innocent people that some guy who's trying to feed his family and he's moving stuff for the cartel, is he going to get his house

bombed? Yes, it is. That's going to happen. But it's the same thing in Afghanistan. They're bombing you know, funerals and weddings and any place they think these guys are. And they're saying, hey, your collateral damage. If you invited, you know, you invited a terrorist to your funeral. If there's a terrorist in a hotel, they're willing to blow up the hotel. Yeah. Yeah. Like if, so like you're, they're okay with that. But oh no, but we're friends with Mexico. Like Mexico, like all of the parties in Mexico are backed by cartels. Right. Like the cartels are ingrained in that. It's, it's an entire court. It's the only reason it's surviving is because if we went in and cleaned it out, we'd have to take over their problems.

Like it would be a massive undertaking. It would cost trillions of dollars. And it's like, like, they're hoping, like, can't we just? We have to take care of whose problems. If we went into Mexico and said, we're just going to take the country over. Because it's so massive. The cartels are everywhere. And say, let's say we want, because we have to get rid of the entire infrastructure of the government. We have to start over from scratch. It's the only way to do it. And if you went in and said, this is what we're going to do, then if you did that, then you have to take it over. You have to go in and run. It's a massive country.

You'd have to go in like, could we even possibly do that? Or do you go in slow? You take over, but you leave everybody in place and you slowly replace those people. And in the meantime, you'd have to basically go get anybody with a fucking tattoo and throw them into prison like they did in shit. Where do they do that? where they have the massive 100,000 man prison, they scooped up everybody. Oh, oh, yeah.

That's where Jack Thruz is El Salvador. El Salvador. Yeah, yeah. Like, that's what you'd have to do in Mexico. But, and Americans don't have the stomach for it. So, so that's why I'm saying it's a half-assed measure to do it. Let's just bomb the boats. And, but what it's doing is it's, he's trying to send them.

It's a spectacle. He's trying to send a message. He's trying to get the president or to be overthrown. He's got a hundred. They have 50 million on. this guy's head. That's double what they had on Osama bin Laden. And they've got, really, it's $100 million. It's like him. And then like the guy underneath him's got like 25 million. And the guy under then they got another guy who's got 10, one that's got 50. The total, it's a hundred

million dollars on this, on the upper echelon that's running a Venezuela right now. So he's hoping that the military themselves will, will do the job for him and do some kind of a coup. and let's all get, you know, and get behind the U.S. Let's overthrow this communist government. That's what he's hoping, but it's not working. They're uncomfortable, but I don't know. Do you have to put boots on the ground to do that? Like Americans, like, and why do we really want to do?

Because we know it's not about drugs. It's oil. We know it's not good. I think it's about money. It's always about oil, right? Sure. And keep mind, too, that, that Marco Rubia, like he, why can't I say this guy's name,

Marco Rubio. Marco Rubio. Yes. Rubio. Gosh. I want to say Mark. Marco Rubio, you know, like his parents were from Cuba. He does not like communism.

He does not like what's going on there. Like he would love to eradicate it. And here's the problem. I agree. I don't want communism or socialism anywhere in the hemisphere, really anywhere in the world. But at least in North America, Central America and South America,

in the American continents, I do not. want there to be. I don't want them even close. I think you eradicate all of them. With your tax dollars. Sure. Why not? I mean, gasoline and bombs and it's cheap. It's not hard to get rid of these guys. I mean, why not just put that? Why not put that money towards like giving health care to combat veterans or getting homeless people off the streets? I mean, just to walk into like the White House or the Capitol building, you're walking over fucking drug acts with needles hanging out of their arms. Like, why not clean up the fucking country first instead of worrying about some other country's fucking communist government?

Well, because I think that that's what ultimately happens is that you don't worry about it. And they just keep spreading and spreading and spreading before you know it. The enemies are at the gate, you know? Like before you know it, there's communism has. Bro, we got nukes. We got nukes. I understand. But, I mean, let's face it.

I don't know any. I mean, I don't, how many times did Putin threatened nuclear, to use nukes? Like, nobody's using them. It's just, it's a, it's a boost. You know what Bustamante said about that? Bustamante thinks that there's another nuke detonated. It's going to be by some like rogue group, like maybe a cartel. Yeah.

I think it's totally possible that cartels could have got some nuke from when the Soviet Union fell or some like underground black market nuke. I don't know. I was going to say it'd have to be more sophisticated than the cartel, but to be honest, they have so much money. The cartels are pretty fucking sophisticated. Yeah. And I was going to say, and even if they're not sophisticated, they'll hire someone who's sophisticated. Well, they already got their hands like Israeli spyware that the, they got like the Mexican government got some sort of like spyware. from the Israelis that they're using to like track bad guys and the cartel is basically paying

the cops to get their hands on it. I had a guy come on the show who was showing me how it worked. He got in with the guy of the cartel that was showing him. All they have to do is type in your phone number. They can go right into your phone, look through everything on your phone and find out geolocate exactly where you are at all times. Like they got their shit together. Right. And they got some of the most high tech weaponry drones and shit like that. Who knows if they have a nuke. And if anyone was going to use it, I mean, they're the ones that aren't worried about, like, fucking mutually assured destruction. Because if they go to a nuke, that's part of the problem. They're not worried. How do you attribute it? Like, if they were to like, fucking put a nuke in the

back of a truck and detonate it. Like, how, like, you don't know. How do you know where it came from? Well, I mean, first of all, when nuclear weapons go off, they can tell where the uranium came from. They can actually tell exactly where it was mine because it gives off a certain signal. Right. But it could have been one. It could have been one that came. from Russia, you know, 15, 20 years ago. They could look at, listen, it could be, it could be material that we gave Israel that supposedly during the six-day war at one point, there was a nuclear weapon that was actually lost, right? Like a broken arrow that was actually lost. That's, it's a, it's a theory.

So, I'm sure there's a lot of them that got lost. Could you imagine? Like, the, the, the nuke that goes off is actually one of ours. It was actually, it was actually mined in, you know, Utah. You're like, now what do you do? Yeah. But I mean, I think they would backtrack the whole thing at some point they'd realize, okay, we think that this cartel here got it and this. And they're sending a message and they would be like to set it off and not let people know back up, this is why this just happened. Is it like now you're just blowing it up for what reason? Oh, uh, because we got our hands on it. Like you weren't sending a message. Why did you? So they want to send the message. So you're

going to figure out eventually who set it off. That's what I'm just saying like just go into Mexico and absorb the entire economy and slowly take over, just take over the government and slowly strip all these corrupt people out of it. And you can eradicate, lock up all the cartel members. Turn Mexico into America? Yeah, absolutely. Why can't it be, why can't you add it? It'd be, it'd probably be about how many states are in Mexico. Mexico's made up of, they're actually made up of states. Yes. There's like 10 or 12 states. That's a good question. So you'd be adding 12 more states. And take Alberta. Let's take Alberta. They got a bunch of gas too. Yeah. Let's take Alberta. Canada can't do anything about it.

Like, you know what I'm saying? You've got these, these 31 states, Mexico. 31, wow. So you'd just be adding 31 states. And you'd have to do, you'd have to slowly go into the government and eliminate people. Because you can't just kick, fire the whole government because let's face it, the garbage men will stop picking up the garbage. So you have to go in slowly. The problem is if you absorb Mexico's economy, it would really hurt our economy.

initially. Ultimately, I think you'd end up basically with what we have right now, which is you'd have kind of like your own, you know, the Mexicans that come over here that work in all the fields that work for essentially slave labor, right? That's what you'd end up having a whole kind of almost a whole underclass, which is what you have anyway. But I think you'd get rid of the- But we like that too. We like having that labor. Right. But I think what happens is you get that, but you could, you would at least be in a position to start eliminating the cartel. And if you made drugs legal here and tax them, then it's like, hey, you get to, you could do drugs. And if you have an issue, Wilson, you can go to a rehab.

Like, you'd have an influx of money. So that's what I think. And I'm basing this on my vast knowledge of nothing. Like I just the way I feel kind of, you know, but look at the whole tariff situation with Trump. They're bringing in tons of money. Oh, it's going to bankrupt. It's going to cause inflation. Well, inflation's going down.

The job market's going up. We're bringing in trillions of dollars, you know. Like, it's working. And why not do that? Why not squeeze all these countries out there that hate our guts? They hate our guts. You hate me. And yet I'm giving you money and I'm allowing you to sell your products here.

You don't buy any of my products. Like, I want manufacturing in the United States. And if you know what? And if some kids in China have to go hungry, for that to happen, I'm okay with that because they're not Americans. They're not concerned about us. Every time they have a natural disaster, we come to your aid. We give you money.

We just give them money. They don't have to pay us back. We are ready to help you. Nobody helps us. Nobody's ever given a dime to the Americans. None of these people care about us, but we're supposed to care about them. I don't care about you. I don't.

I'll care about all of Mexico the moment they, those 31 states get added to our current 50. and I want Alberta. Right. So you see what I'm saying? Like you do that and Puerto Rico, come on, let's either let them make them a state or kick them you, kick them loose. But you go through, you probably have to really go through and it has to be, there has to be something, some system put in place where it's like, hey, if you get, you get found that

you're corrupt, you're a corrupt politician. Listen, I think there should be, there should be a corrupt. I know, but there should be a whole different. There should be a whole different division of the government, of federal law enforcement. The FBI was actually formed to go after corruption. So let's go ahead and have the FBI start systematically going through and looking for corruption and lock these people. And not two years in a club fed camp somewhere. No, you get found guilty of corruption.

it's a horrific sentence. Well, how do you do that when everybody's guilty of corruption, including the people in the FBI? Yeah, I know. It's a problem. It's not a perfect system. I mean, it would take time. I mean, everybody's taking money from foreign governments. Everyone's taking money from various corporate interest groups.

That has to be illegal. And then the statute of limitations can't be like, oh, it's three years. Yeah, but that was five years ago. No, fuck that. It's 15 or 20 years. Yeah, but these are the people that make the laws who are getting paid and also probably have blackmail on them from foreign countries. You need a clue. We're so infiltrated by other countries.

military coup and you need you start executing people on the on the in front of the white house you line up and start executing and that's where the system breaks down like people like people like people don't have the they don't what is it the Mao quote uh is it Mao or I think also it's it's attributed to linen but where it's um true political change comes out of the barrel of a gun right right who is it now I always thought it was I've heard linen I've heard Mao anyway yeah yeah the point is is that you know that's kind of a problem and it's so every it is like and I never believe this growing up but it is it's so you would hear about some guy getting found it was now oh wow power grows out of the barrel of a gun like growing up every once in

while some guy would get convicted of some politician would get found guilty of corruption and it'd always be blatant right like when I grow up and now it's like it's subtle everywhere and it's not $5,000 it's you went in as a senator making $250,000 and you live left office five years later worth 40 million. You see the latest shit with Marjorie Taylor Green. Trump basically like forced her out. Oh yeah, yeah. He's upset with her.

I don't even know why. Because she's going hard on the Epstein files. Oh, okay. So what is happening with the Epstein? Are they going to release these things? They said they are. They voted, right? There was a vote two weeks ago to do it.

And I guess only one person voted against it. Right. And Marjor Taylor Green. And, and Massey, Thomas Massey, were one of the two big folk people that were pushing to get them released. House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly in favor of releasing the Epstein files. 427 to one. The final tower. Imagine being that one.

Who's that guy? Imagine being that guy. Who was he? That's a bad look, bro. Yeah. I think. But like, like, here's the funny thing. And I was thinking about this the other day.

Like, look at Cash Patel, right? There's all these podcasts that he was going on before he was the head of the FBI talking about, we got to release the Epstein files. It's so corrupt. We got to do that. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, that's the first thing I'm going to do when I get in, right? Him and the other guy, Bongino.

The moment he gets in, it's like, Epstein was not blackmailing anybody. There are new Epstein files. It was nothing. And then he goes in front of Congress the other day. And they're asking him questions about, I saw a clip. They were asking Cash Patel questions about a specific guy who's a podcaster. They're like, do you know this guy's name, John, whatever his name was?

And Cash is like, no, I've never heard of that guy in my life. I don't know who that is. And then they show him on his podcast. Meanwhile, he's been on the guy's podcast six or seven times. Oh, okay. So like, why would you say that though? Like, I mean. Here's the thing.

Once you start lying about stuff and you have to lie about so many things, it becomes impossible to keep track of all the lies. So it's just easier to lie about everything. Right? Like it becomes such a toll to memorize what's real or like you know what's real wasn't not a lot, but what's a lie, but like you can't remember all the lies that you've already told. So like maybe it just becomes easier just to fucking lie about everything. And that's how you get exposed, especially in today's day and age with social media and being able to like go back and pull receipts of shit. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, why lie at all? You have to. Like that's the thing. Like, of course he's lying about stuff. He went on Joe Rogan's podcast and said there's no Epstein. files. There's nothing. Right. And now they're coming out. And now they're in Congress saying, we got the Epstein files. So what happened? I thought there were no Epstein files a month ago. So it's just like we forget. They forget about the lies. They forget about the lies. Now it's the new norm. There are Epstein files. Now we're going to release them. When meanwhile, a month ago,

the head of the FBI was saying they didn't fucking exist. Okay. Well, look, the thing about the ups and I agree, like, just release them. But I don't really like, unless you can say this person flew to the island and had sex with this woman. And they've talked to all these girls. It's not like they're saying, hey, you know, this senator, this guy, this guy, like these guys, like they've been interviewed, right? So you're saying those interviews haven't been released. Like to me, like, one, I believe they should be released. But two, it's like if some guy was a friend of Epstein, like, I don't care if he was a, he doesn't, he's a financer.

You could have, you could have some sex slave in your basement right now. We don't really have basements in Florida. But let's say we did. Let's say you, let's say you had one you got a warehouse now. Maybe you've got a room. You got some sex slave in there. And then there's photograph. You get caught. And there's and they start coming after me. You were on his podcast 12 times. It's like I didn't know that he had a dungeon. Like what are you talking about. You went to lunch with it. So that's what bothers me. It's like, how am I supposed to know that? You know, there's 140 phone calls between you and Danny. It's like, I don't know that side of Danny. Yeah, of course, there's going to be a lot of that collateral damage for people that were, of course, there were lots of people that went to his island that knew him that weren't guilty of anything, right? But there are, like, for example, there was that woman, find out who she was in that congressional hearing. The black woman, I don't know if she was a senator or a congressman or whatever.

Oh, yeah, yeah. She was texting him live. Right. In the middle of the conference, she's getting text from Epstein. And the transcripts of them all came out. And he was like trying to dictate, like he was trying to push through some fucking law. These people, the Epstein stuff is exposing like this other dimension that we aren't aware of. These filthy rich people that are pulling strings.

Exactly. They're pulling strings. It's like we can see on the news, the politicians that are running around, doing pulling their strings, doing whatever they do. We think that's the top. We think that's the ceiling. But really, there's a whole other dimension above all that. And this Epstein stuff is a portal to all that. There was this article that came. out and it was part of the Epstein files that got declassified where it released emails of Epstein and he's having conversations with the Houd Barak, the former prime former prime minister of Israel, emailing back and forth with Epstein talking about this country in Africa that was going through a civil war, right? And Epstein's just casually emailing a Houd Barak saying looks like we could make some money off this. What do you think? It's like, yeah, I think we could

monetize this, but it's not going to be easy. Like this is what these people do. They figure out how to monetize civil wars in fucking third world countries. So like those are the people. You're selling weapons to both sides. Right. Right. Like that's the kind of doesn't mean anything. That's the way the world really works. Right. Not at our not at our level. The government. Maybe at another level. Right. The government is like these people control the these people blackmail and fund the people that we think are really in charge.

And we're a, we're a layer below them. We're just trying to live our lives and make sense of all of it. I think that there's probably, that's probably partially true. Like, I still believe there are elections. Do I believe if it, like, if it's an overwhelming majority where somebody's, you know, wins the election, I don't know that the, I don't know that the system is there to sway that election. But you may sway a little bit here, a little bit there. But I think that you, I think that there's a certain layer that is kind of running things. But I do think they are, a lot of them, not all, but a lot of them.

them are beholden to probably at the ultra rich that are up here. Yes. You know, and it's, I don't know, it's, I think it's like, I think it's like taxes, you know, like the bulk of taxes are paid by like, you know, the rich, right? Like they pay a chunk of the taxes. Right. It, you know, and some people are just never happy. Like what's the person that's given like the six point?

$28 billion or something to fund 25 million savings accounts for kids. Oh, this is the Dell people. Yes. I set you this. I mean, find the video of the Dell, the Dell founder and his wife talking about this savings account thing. She looks like a robot. She looks like she had her eyelids surgically removed.

She looks like a ventriloquist dummy puppet. Okay. But, um, yeah, I don't know what that was about. I haven't seen the video. They're sitting next to Trump talking about it. Oh my God. Did you see that woman? Oh yeah, there she is.

Doesn't she look like his puppet? Like the wooden puppet. What's the name of that guy? Like the Tommy guy. What's the Tommy guy's podcast you do? It looks like a robot. Tommy Knightley. Yeah, yeah.

She's had a lot of work. So people are saying on Twitter that she's a robot, that his real wife died and that she's just an AI, you know what I'm saying? Like, come on. Like, what are we doing? So Michael and Susan Dell commit 6.25 billion for investment accounts for kids. giving them all $250. Is that what it is?

Yeah. Well, what's funny is I was reading other than the fact that... Do you think these people got a bunker? I think they have a bunker. I think she's had too much Botox. And she's probably kind of like a Stetsford-wide. She's probably really, really got a lot of... She's on a lot of antidepressants.

The look, it's very, you know, it's very kind of fake looking. But, you know, I feel bad for women, right? Like, some of them, they get so upset when they start getting wrinkles. The next thing you know, they're doing surgery after surgery after surgery. and getting injections. And before you know it, you're like, God,

you look like a plastic doll. I mean, she probably knows her husband's fucking a bunch of other young women and getting paid. Like, he's got a revolving door of prostitutes. I don't know.

But here's what kills me. If you read the, when I read the, in the comment section I was reading, because I'm less interested in making fun of her. And there were, there were tons of people in there that was saying,

like, oh, we're saying that these people are wonderful. when they're rich people that don't pay their fair taxes, and now they're giving their taxes to rich kids, and we're supposed to think that they're wonderful. And it was just like, it was like, they don't have to give anything.

Like, these people are doing something, and you're bitching about it. Like, there are people that were bitching about it. People love to bitch on the internet. Right. I mean, they love to make fun of people. They don't want to be made fun of, but they love to make fun of people. And then it's like if a rich person does. anything, then they attack them. And it's like, I don't have to give you shit. I already paid my

taxes on this money. And it's my, it's like people constantly, if Elon Musk would, he could do this and he could do this. Go fuck yourself. It's so easy to make money. Go make a fucking trillion dollars. And you can do whatever you want with it. But don't tell me what I can do. Yeah. So it, it's just funny. Like something is just not nobody does not happy. I don't know why people aren't happy. People aren't happy. People aren't people. A lot of people don't have. A lot of people don't fucking money like this this this this country is like boy like the most amount of money that's made in this country isn't it like wall street people and bankers like there's no like you made like there's no manufacturing there's no there's no trades anymore it's YouTubers bankers and Uber drivers

but listen like when you say nobody's happy by the way when I got out of the halfway house and I was living in the rooming house for 18 months totally happy I've been happy since I got Listen, if everybody went to jail for two or three years and got out, they realized like, hey, it's pretty good out here. How about your boy, Bannon? Things are good. You're still hanging out with your boy Bannon? No. What happened with Home Title Lock is they, they're kind of they rotate the spokespeople, right?

Not rotate like they get rid of them. Like I still do stuff for them. But they bring in new people all the time. You know, they try, you can't, I can't go on Bannon four times a month without people getting tired of Matt Cox. So they brought in a new woman, like some English woman who's like 40 or 50 years old or something like that, and very attractive. And Bannon, they ended up in the rotation, Bannon interviewed her. And he said, well, we need to interview her from now. The old horn dog.

And so, like, yeah, I don't get interviewed. He was tight with Epstein. He knew Epstein. Oh, was he? Oh, yeah. I bet he never brings that up. He, no, he. Does he?

He, there's a whole. like video documentary that was done on Epstein before he died where he did all of these long form interviews and there's allegedly there's like hours of footage of interviews that of Epstein that Bannon filmed and didn't I think it was the day Bannon got fired by Trump during the first

campaign that same day Bannon drove straight to fucking Manhattan to meet Epstein. Really? Hey, I have a question. And Michael Wolfe the guy who he did a document he did a whole like deep dive investigation into Epstein and did and interviewed Bannon

and a much of stuff. And Bannon, there's an interview snippet from that thing he produced where it was a write-up, I think, that he did, where Epstein's brother, Mark, said that he was on the phone with Jeffrey Epstein, his brother, right before the Hillary Trump election in 2016. And allegedly, I mean, it's Michael Wolfe, so take it with a grain of salt. he said that Epstein told his brother if they knew what I know they would cancel the whole fucking election

about Hillary and Trump Okay What would that be? Who knows? I mean, use your imagination But just like assuming like the levels of blackmail that he knew because Trump and Epstein were running around together for like 10 years

They were really good friends Okay, I didn't know that. I've seen pictures. I know there's pictures. I know that they were at functions. They were really tight for like 10 years. You know what's funny is like so Epstein gets caught the first time right you know the first time he gets caught yeah it's like a sweetheart deal yeah where basically like he slept at the jail he comes in at eight o'clock at night sleeps there and leaves at six in the morning like he's he's really just hanging out I mean I I've if you describe that deal to me and told me that this type of a deal exists I'd have told you you were lying that's not possible nobody nobody would know no no court system would bend over that much for anybody, especially for that crime.

So I was shocked. So that's shocking, right? The fact, can you imagine the arrogance or that you have to have? So keep in mind, he couldn't get the charges drop. So it's not absolute power. They said, you have to do something. Like they're like, you've got to do something. We have to say something.

You've got to be able to say that you went to prison. We can do, or jail that we can do this. We can arrange it. So it's not so bad for you. But we have to. So it's not 100% power. for him. You don't have everything like, oh, he's got so much stuff. We don't have enough to not get out of that charge, but he did have enough so that it wasn't harmful. But imagine this, the arrogance or

at least the confidence that you have to have that you can get out of almost everything is that you do that. You now have that charge and you do it again. You do it again. He's a sick fuck. Like, I get it. He's a sick fuck. But it's like how like I like it is. It is a. kind of like, what do you have that you feel? Or maybe it's not that. Maybe it's just you're so sick. You're so you're such a purve that it's a combination of things, right? Like he's definitely a fucking sicko, pervert, but he's also got a ton of money. He got super rich, coincidentally, right? Which is weird, the way he got rich. Maxwell died, right? Who was the Pergammon press guy, who was a triple agent for the Mossad, the KGB and MI6.

And he died off his yacht and his wealth probably went to Jeffrey Epstein because that's right when Jeffrey Epstein got all his money. Right. So you have that much money. You're connected to the CIA. You're connected to the Mossad. You're running around doing deals, funding civil wars in different countries with you're emailing a hood Barack every day.

You're fucking flying around with Donald Trump, Bill Gates. You're texting senators. You're texting senators. You're getting blouse past. You probably have blackmail on so many powerful people. You have so much goddamn money. But it wasn't like absolute though. And then like, but right, it wasn't absolute.

But you're flying as high as you can possibly fly when it comes to human beings on this earth. You probably have more a lot. You probably, when it comes to like the limit of power you can have. Your top shelf. Your top shelf. Like you can do whatever you fucking want. pretty much. You can kill whoever you want.

You can get whatever fucking prostitute you want. You can get whatever jet mansion you want. You can buy whatever fucking island you want. So like where does that end? You when you like at some point, I imagine it probably started in like the intelligence world, like just getting intel, getting blackmail. But it probably got got more and more wealth, got more power, got more and more leverage. maybe he fucking just got bored.

At what point do you have so much control and so much money that you just get bored and just say, I'm going to fly even closer to the sun and see how much more I can push the boundaries of life or whatever. My perversion? My perversion. I mean, because at some point, like he doesn't have enough power or know enough people or have enough blackmail information on people that when they started the investigation, he was able to shut it down. You see him saying it?

Like he still ended up getting found guilty. And he still got people like Bill Gates to hang out with him after that. Yeah, that's, like you would think Bill Gates, I don't know, you know what's funny about that? Listen, listen to this. Like, in my mind, it's kind of like, to me, I feel like if,

because obviously the people that come to the, to the White House and meet with the president. Like, he doesn't know necessarily these people, right? Like a lot of these people are his secretary or his, you know, vice president, secretary, whatever, his chiefs of staff, all these people are coming and say, listen, we have a guy. He owns this many factories. They produce this, this.

We're trying to get it. You know, he wants to talk to you about possibly getting a law pass, or whatever it is. And then they come in, like, he didn't really know this guy. These people vetted him. I always assume at least somebody's running. a criminal background check, right? Like somebody, you're vetting him. Like, I don't know the guy, I'm trusting you,

but I'm assuming to get in through the gate, they have to run a criminal background check at some point. But like Frank Amadeo met with George, you know, George Bush. Like I got photos of him in the Roosevelt room with him. Like talking multiple times, there's multiple photos, like he's there, he's at the table with him. Like, he was a felon. Or I give you another example,

is um uh shoot he was the uh he was the um chairman uh he was head of the house of representatives what did they fucking call that guy newt gingrich was uh uh he was head of you know congress i'm getting so fucking old and it's late um anyway what do you call him the guy who's head of like the congress what you know he's the speaker of the house thank you Jesus god almighty cut that out make me look smart um so but yeah he was he was he was Mike Johnson's the current Speaker of the House. Right, but this was, this was Newt Gingrich. This was back in the 80s, right?

He was for like, whatever, 10 years or something. He was Speaker of the House. And so he's got a whole group around him. Like, I'm interviewed by him. So for the home title law, they fly me in. I go walk in a room. I'm standing there with him.

There's clearly bodyguards. There's his handlers, like people that, like his assistant and other people for him. Like he's got an entourage, right? right? And there's the CEO or president, I'm not sure what he's called, of home title lock. There's the other people. And I'm in the room with him. And he knows he's meeting with me. They, I shake his hand, we talk. And as we're talking, they introduced me and they explained that Mr. Cox did 13 years in federal prison for fraud and this and this and this. And he kind of glances over. And you can see all these guys kind of glance. There's a quick glance between all of them.

And I remember thinking to myself like, he didn't know. He knew he was going to meet with someone, right? He knew they knew I was coming. They knew somebody was coming. But he didn't really know. But at some point, you would have think that I've got a felony conviction and I'm shaking hands with this guy. Wouldn't someone have checked? Wouldn't someone have been watching out that I can get this close to this person?

Like, in general, if Bill Gates is me. meeting with someone. He can't, so I didn't know that you had to know. Right. You have people that, you know, so I think that they, that they would, they would do that. But I guess it doesn't always happen. Right. So I would think that, you know, does that make sense?

Like I feel like they should and I definitely feel like Bill Gates should. Right. Or Zuckerberger. I would think that anybody they meet with they would. Well, you think like, look, they're going to this eye. Like, like he's hanging out with Bill Clinton all the time. Like, of course I'm going to go ahead. Like, that's enough of a vetting.

Like, if this guy's hanging out with Bill Clinton. and fucking whoever, all the other celebrities and Harvard scientists that were flying to his island, like, legitimate people. Like, it's kind of like diffusion of responsibility. Like, if all these people are going, what's it going to hurt for me to go? I know, but I know. But to me, I don't know. But you're right. Bill Gates, there's no excuse for Bill Gates.

You know what's funny? Bill Gates was also going through like a problem with his wife at the time. I mean, I get it, but I'm not going to hang out with a file. So maybe Bill Gates was fucking. Maybe that's possible. Shit, I forgot what I was going to say. I was just, I jumped all over the place. I just immediately.

Epstein, it's speculated that Epstein was like super into, him and Gieland were really into like UFOs and find, like trying to find Atlantis and stuff like that. Like they had scientists coming in there like anti-gravity scientists. Right. People coming in there trying to figure out like some of this technology stuff, this like black budget technology stuff that like everywhere. in mainstream media today which is really weird you know gilane was like when she was young

she was interested in um uh like oceanography and like she wanted to be a marine biologist and uh she even met with jacques Cousteau and was hanging out with Jacques Cousteau's daughter she had a a submarine called the Atlantis submarine

and her and Epstein would go down in the submarine looking for like lost ruins of like ancient civilizations they went to Cuba to meet with Castro to get permission to go study these ancient ruins off the coast of Castro and their Atlantis submarine like they were looking for fucking Atlantis shit like that some weird essay they were into some like esoteric stuff he was even into like witchcraft he threatened uh he threatened I think it was the writer of the Vanity Fair article that he was going to do like voodoo on her if she wrote the article these people are into some like wild shit insanity we need the UFOs to come down and save us from all this shit

matt cox maybe maybe we'll see what are you gonna do what are you gonna do if the government comes out and says aliens are real they've been living here the whole time they're a breakaway civilization their future time they're time travelers they're us from the future i would like to think that they they're they're i don't know i don't know if that's a good thing to say either or think i was going to say i'd like to see there as as confused

as us, but I don't think they are. I think they probably have a much better idea of what's going on. But I could be wrong. They're like gods. Who knows? Well, I mean, what is that quote that any, even a slightly advanced technology appears to be magic too? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't take much for something to look for, you know, for them, it's science. It's for them, it's science. And for us, it's like, you know, it's magic. Like, oh, how did that happen? Like, I told you that the first time I, my, my boss printed something, the guy was working for at the time halfway house, printed out something off of his phone and printed it off using the Wi-Fi. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was fucking like, like, what do you mean? He's like, yeah, he printed it. It's over there. I'm like, you didn't print anything. He's like, yeah, I did. Just it's over there. It's on the printer. Yeah. And he's like, I just printed it. I'm like, you were standing right here. What are you talking? Like, I got up. I was getting irritated like he's fucking with me. And I didn't know what Wi-Fi was. I don't know what that is. They didn't have that in prison. But yeah, I just think that it's just, boy, the world's bizarre. What are we talking about? I think we're taking it home right now, Matt.

Are we? We're going to bring it home. Okay, well, how long we've been talking? We've been talking for two and a half hours. Are you serious? Yeah. Bro. Can we, what are we going to do about Stephen's hair?

Stephen needs a camera, but he does have to comb the hair. He has to get the hair under control. And then he can be on camera. What kind of haircut should he get? I think if you should make it high and tight, get him a flat top. I think he just need some, some, some, some product, you know, you rubbing your hand. And when he gets out of the shower, he slicks it back. He can slug it.

He just put in a man bun. He's got a good hair line. I mean, he's got nothing to hide. He could pull off a man bun. Not everybody can. No, don't do the fucking man. I mean, I know, but look at his hair. It's long.

He doesn't want to cut his hair. He clearly has. At least he doesn't smell. He's an aversion to cut getting his hair. At least he takes showers. Yeah. Well, why wouldn't take a shower? Some people are into the scruffy hair, man.

well yeah it's fine i just i mean if you're going to get on camera a lot of people that have hair most people that have hair like stephen you can smell him from a mile away no they're homeless so but you know i mean you know but he's not homeless right makes a good living yeah he takes care of himself he's just tired he gets out of i feel like he's got kids man he's got a big he's got a lot of he's got a lot of responsibilities i know i feel like Stephen rolls out of bed and stumbles, and rubs his eyes and stumbles in the car and drives straight here. And when he's walking in,

he's still wearing like his slippers and, and, you know, you've been to the, sorry, have you been to the movies lately? Movie theater? Me over theater?

I have not. Yeah, listen, I mean, people walk in there, they're in their pajamas. They bring in pillows. What are you going to do?

What are you supposed to fucking wear a suit to the fucking movie theater? No, but you're, you're, you're wearing slippers, your pajamas, in a pillow and you're curling up in the seat and watch it's like I don't know like they're wearing like at least wear maybe a sweatsuit I don't like going I mean it's fun going to the movie like my

like the last movie I went to it took my kid too like a movie because you know given the experience but like yeah yeah it's it's it's nostalgic to go to movie theaters but I do it maybe once every two years she well there's really honestly there's really just not great movies well that movie that you showed us looks great the Hail Mary yeah that looks Fantastic. Or is it, I think it's 2020, 2020. Is it going to be 2026 where the, the next Dune comes out? Oh, I have no idea.

I love Dune. Yeah, I think it's 2026. Your background was inspired by Dune. I know. It's trying to think the, what did they call him to? I've seen it 30 times. Do you think the sets better than the spaceship? Yeah.

I don't know about the stained glass. You don't like the stained glass? That's my favorite part. I would have thought that you would have, like to me, when I first walked in, just because of these things. I actually first thought of Egyptian. I thought it like, but this thing, glass is in Egyptian? Or is it just kind of a collection of different types of, like, did you have one look you were going for? Because to me, this says like middle- It was a bunch of looks we tried to combine together. Yeah. Yeah. Like, this is like a medieval

castle look. Yes. Yes. It's medieval stone. It looks Egyptian, but it means- This is definitely, it's cathedral style. This feels, this definitely feels Dune. Yes, it does. Yeah, that was definitely a big inspiration. Like the colors and the light shafts are Dune inspired. That's cathedral, obviously. And this is just, every shot is unique.

It's not all the same. The table is great. The table makes me very jealous. I love this fucking table. Who made the table? I don't know. My contractor had a guy, a wood guy who made the table. I might need, hit.

The only reason I say this is because my table, I bought for $60. It was on offer up. Somebody had, it was like a, somebody was selling the table. They had lost the bolts, you know, for the legs. So I got it for 60 bucks because they lost the bolts. Yeah.

So, and I pick it up and, you know, it flipped out, but it wasn't quite long enough. So I ended up ultimately, I altered it. So it was more secure. It's super secure, but it is IKEA. And it's got water damage. And, you know, people put their drinks on it. And so yeah, we'll get this guy to make you.

We'll get this guy to make you a table. I just need like, I just need a, a thineer. No, not no, no, a thicker than that. Huh? You just need like a small. No, no, I just need a new top like this. This is amazing. Stop being so cheap, just get a new table.

Or maybe just make a whole new table. But I like my dimension. That's my only problem. I love the dimension. I love this because this is wider than my previous. Can you tell? Yeah, it's wider. Not much, a little bit, right?

It's like six inches wider. Oh, well, six inches makes a lot of. a difference from what I've been told many times. I think that my table, I would act, I like the dimensions of my table. It would be identical, but it would be like this, because this is a great table. This is white oak. Well, I wouldn't want a white oak. I think I'd want them to stain it because I've got a dark mahog anything going.

Yeah. But he could do, he got, this guy could obviously do anything. Yeah. Oh, look at these. You see the logo on the front? Look. Is that what it is? It's a logo.

It's my logo. Oh, yeah. Stainless steel. That, see, you went all in. Here's the thing. I actually had a guy on the podcast who had offered to, he did iron work. He had offered to make me a whole table, which I had said. Prison bar style, like a prison table.

I was just wanted them to the same thing I had. But I had just kind of finished my table. This was like two years ago. I was like, no, no, I was like, I'm good. I'm good. And he's like, bro, he's like, I'm offering it. He's free. I'll do it for free.

Like, just because I watch your stuff all the time. And I had him on the program. And he's like, I'll even put like your logo in the front if you want. And I was like, no, I like it. It's simple. Your theme is true crime. Yes. Why don't you make it look like this fucking jail cell?

Because I like my, look, it's simple. It's very simple. I'm not trying to do anything cheesy. I just want a simple clean. Right. I just went to the table. I tried to look up this guy. I tried to call him because I had him on the program.

He did have a video. He got decent numbers, right? Like two or two years ago, he got like 40 or 50,000. It was good. His phone numbers, like I've texted him two or three times. It doesn't go through. Like he's, I've called it. It's, I don't know what happened to him.

I don't know how to get in touch with him. So I don't know what happened to him. Like he's a guy who like committed a bunch of crimes, drugs, drug addict, everything, goes to prison, gets out, started his life over. He was making great money. And suddenly he just kind of disappeared. So I was going to try and go to him and say, hey, look, I will take that table because it was, it was stupid for me to say no. But, you know, I hate to ask people for stuff, right? You ever get like that?

And so now I'm in a position where I was like, I could have asked him to do it. And I'll, and I can say, hey, and I'll pay you. But I'd like to have this guy do it. Like I can do woodwork, but this is great. I can't do this. And I'm not going to do it. I'm never going to get to it. You're doing great, Matt.

You don't have to do anything you don't want to do. Thanks again, man. This has been a super fun conversation. Our once a year Christmas special, it's been a blast. Matt Cox, true crime. I don't need to plug you. You're fucking bigger than me now. I need to plug your website.

Listen, I'm three months away. We are literally, if we stay currently where we're at by the end of February, mid to end of February, million subscribers. We should be at a million subscribers. Because we're like 860 something now. I love it. Yeah.

Amen. It's pretty cool. Merry Christmas, everybody. Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah. And have a good night, right? How does it go? Merry Christmas to all.

And to all a good night. To all a good night. Thank you. And to all a good night. Good night, everybody. Spring just slid into your DMs. Grab that bow. a whole look for that rooftop dinner, those sandals that can keep up with you, and hang some string

lights to give your patio a glow up. Springs Calling. Ross, work your magic.