Danny Jones Podcast - #401 - “Epstein’s Classified VHS Tapes Would End Society” (It’s Worse Than You Think) | Ben Swann

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

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Good. And talk about all your stuff. And I've been digging into your history, which is insane. A little bit. And how you've been vindicated over, like, with the last 10 years, with the drop of all these Epstein files, confirming everything that you lost your career over. Essentially, yeah. So why don't you, like, laid out for people? Like, how did this all start for you?

Yeah. So, you know, I was a journalist. I still am. for 25 years. I started out, you know, as a news photographer, working in local news, became an anchor, kind of worked my way up through the ranks, worked for Fox, CBS, NBC. So, you know, just kind of did that for years. And I ended up in Cincinnati working for the Fox station there and really started doing

stuff that was a little bit outside of what normal local news is, which, by the way, is a horrible product who watches this garbage. And so we kind of hit a sweet spot. We talked about things that other people wouldn't talk about. And this, you know, it's funny when you say that. that now, everybody does that. Right? That's no big deal anymore.

But that wasn't true. Even back in 2012, it was very hard to find that because remember, a lot of this social media content was in its infancy in 2012. You know, there was no Instagram video. Facebook didn't even have video in 2012, right?

If you go back, Facebook video didn't start until 2015. So this is still a new medium in terms of how people are getting information. Twitter didn't have video. YouTube was the only place you could, find it. We kind of blew up on YouTube because we would talk about, you know, things like the Petro Dollar on local news. And we would talk about things like blowback from the CIA and things that you weren't supposed to talk about in local news. So we did really well with that.

And then I ended up going to Atlanta and just kept doing it. Man, we were building this massive following online. Had the largest following of any journalists in a local news station online by a measure of 10. It was pretty incredible. And when I was in Atlanta, because I had such a huge online following, you know, about a million people at the time, which again was unheard of for what I was doing, they would weigh in on, I'm sure this happens to you all the time, topics what they want you to cover, things that are happening. Well, in 2015, there was this... Who specifically was weighing in on that? The audience. The audience. Yeah, yeah, through Twitter and through Facebook at the time. So they're putting stuff out. This is now we're getting to it,

you know, 2016. Facebook now has video on it, so we're doing, I think we did 150 million views in 2016 on Facebook. I mean, it was insane. The kind of coverage we were doing. And we were just doing everything, right? From wars to covering the election, you know, talking about what a disaster. The war in the Middle East had been.

Again, nobody would, in news was really doing this at the time. No one in politics was doing it, right, until 2016 when Trump finally said it. Was there a political bet to the news station you're working for, like a political leaning? Well, all news stations, I would say, lean pretty left. Okay. And I don't think they even necessarily need.

Local news stations, do you mean? Yeah. Okay. I don't think it's that they even mean to lean that way. I think it's just it's the culmination of people who are there. Right. All kind of share the same worldview. Right.

Right. I see. But even when you get like into Fox, you know, and at one point I was offered a position at Fox and I turned it down. Even that network, a lot of people who work there are not Republicans and not even conservatives. A lot of them are Democrats and they're liberals. They go to liberal colleges and they want a job in TV. So they end up working there. Right, right. So by 2016, there's this story on the internet that's getting a lot of attention on Twitter at the time.

And it was actually the number one trending topic on Twitter for almost a year. And that was this story called Pizza Gate. People started saying there's this crazy thing that's happening and kids are being, you know, the basement of a pizza parlor in Washington, D.C. Hillary Clinton's eating children, right? It was like this crazy story. I'm like, there's no way any of this is true. So I just stayed away from it.

Because in my mind, there's real things to talk about, right? Like at the time, the Syrian civil war is blowing up and we're trying to overthrow Assad. And there's like, you know, fake five-year-olds who are tweeting in perfect English to the United States. Please come help us send soldiers. And it's like, what is this, right? So I'm covering that kind of stuff and trying to expose that. But people keep pushing and pushing and pushing. So one night I'm sitting there because I'm the anchor of that station as well, their prime time anchor.

And so my co-anchor and I are sitting there one night and we're reading stories. And the way it works in local TV is, so you're, you know, we're in Atlanta. That's the eighth largest TV market in the country. But we still take a lot of our news from the network that will send it down to us in what are called feeds. So they'll feed you down stories to cover that are already written. And then you also have a feed that comes from like the Associated Press, CNN. A lot of people are tied in something called CNN News Source. And so CNN sends these pre-written stories to you.

And it's kind of the big stories that they're coming. And by the way, they're always the gospel, right? You never challenge anything that comes down from on high. Right. So we're sitting there and one night we're reading a story about a guy who goes into pizza parlor in DC with a shotgun and he shoots up the place because of this conspiracy theory online that had gained traction and so he had been, his mind had been twisted and warped by it, right? And so I'm reading the story and I'm like, oh, this is that story that everyone keeps talking about, right?

So read about this guy. And then in our script that came down from CNN, and then the next day it comes down from CBS also, the claim is, and you can go back and look it up, the claim is that Macedonian sheep farmers created the Pizagate theory in order to prevent Hillary Clinton from becoming president. So we read this on the air.

And I'm like, this is crazier than the stuff people are telling me online, right? The idea that, like, how would a Macedonian sheep farmer concoct this theory and why would they concoct it and how would they get all of Twitter talking about it, right? It was totally crazy. And so that was the theory that was kind of pushed out into the mainstream. And so at that point, I was like, okay, I'll look into it. So I get online, start messaging out to just kind of blasting out on Twitter.

I'm going to look at Pizza Gate. As crazy as it sounds, send me what you have. So people start sending information about it. And the first thing I find out is it's got nothing to do with Macedonian sheep farmers. Right. You know, spoiler alert. Right. Instead, the first thing you find out is, oh, these files come from John Podesta's emails.

The WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks, right. So John Podesta, the claim is he left his phone in a cab in New York. Somebody got it. They saw who it belonged to, passed it through, I don't know how many hands. It ended up in the hands of someone associated with WikiLeaks. and then they dumped 50,000 emails online, right? And remember, I mean, WikiLeaks doesn't do much anymore

and no one really talks about the much anymore. Right. But WikiLeaks at the time, they weren't ever editorializing anything, right? They just put out information. Right. So if they got an email, they didn't tell you what to think about the email. They just put it up online. They put the raw info out there.

You read it for yourself, you decide what you think of it. Right. And so they had dumped these emails. Okay. And then I start finding out that, that, well, actually, it's not, again, sheep farmers, it's a group of self-professed pedophiles on 4chan and 8-chan at the time,

because people were on a lot of these chat rooms and this is where kind of pet would go to communicate. Were the first people to say, has anybody noticed that John Podesta has an awful lot of emails using the language we use, which is using pizza-coded language. Huh. I had never heard of this. I'd never heard of pizza being used as a code for anything, especially for job fee. PDF files. PDF files. So they were, these kind of people were, were admitting this online? Yeah, but remember, these chat rooms, they're all anonymous, right? And so they're all sitting there. Oh, because it's 4chan. Got it. And so they're anonymously talking to each other in these groups, which is where, even at the time, I mean, you could go back and look at local police departments or FBI. This is where they would go to try.

of find these rings to break them up. Oh, really? Because this is where they congregate. Or at the time, they would, right? Right. Right. Again, internet's changed a lot in 20 years, right? Years ago, it was like chat rooms and people would I-M each other.

It's all changed so much technologically in a very short amount of time. So then, you know, as a journalist, then I start looking at, okay, well, then the next step is, is this true? Like, do pedophiles communicate with each other like this? So next thing I do is, get online, go in. to 4chan, go into 8chan and start trying to communicate with these groups and saying, is this true? And they're all like, yeah, this is how we talk to each other? By the way, how common is it for a local news anger like yourself to go this deep on something?

Nothing. Never happens. Never happens. Who's going to do that? It sounds tough. No, this does not happen. Totally unique to do something like this. But I was, I was like fascinated by it. Right. So then the next thing I did was then I was like, okay, well, is there anything outside of the word of a pet? Not exactly the most credible people necessarily. But aside from the PDF files who are online, is there any way to verify this? And the funny thing was, I looked at the time, this is again in 2016. I find an entry in Urban Dictionary from 2010.

So from six years before, where if you looked up cheese pizza, it stated at the time this was code language. used by pedicons because it's an acronym. Cheese pizza CP, CHAPE. Oh. So if they were trying to exchange child they would say, I have cheese pizza. Who wants cheese pizza?

That's how they would communicate with each other with an acronym. And then out of that acronym, there grew a series of other code words that were pizza related. So like pizza slice, hot dog, all those seven kinds of things. Pizza sauce, pasta, it's all related.

that, but that's where the origin, the genesis of it is the acronym CP. Got it. Right. Got it. Now, there are people, to this day in 2026, shockingly, who still say, oh, that's not true. There's no proof of this. The funny thing is, even as recently as 2023, the FBI arrested a prolific sex offender, who was a child sex offender.

And the way they caught him was online. They caught him using pizza language in order to communicate. and that was specifically how they tracked him. It's in the documents surrounding his arrest and his conviction. Really? Yeah. Is this the Dennis Hastert guy? Dennis Hastert's different than that.

Okay, okay. Yes. Dennis Hastert was the Speaker of the House. Okay. This is back in the late 80s, early 90s. Oh, wow. So third most powerful person in Washington. Years later, he was finally convicted of having, when he was a wrestling coach in his previous life, brutally, dozens of boys.

who were in his programs. Jesus Christ. When the judge sentenced him, the judge said that they had, the judge said, I have never, in all of my career, sentenced a more prolific and violent sex offender than Dennis Haster. And he only did, he only did how much time? Oh, it was a very short amount of time, 18 months, I think. It was a very short amount of time. God, Lord.

Yeah. That's fucking insane, man. And he was very old and decrepit at the time. But you have to think, if you abuse that many boys, that violently, that many years before, you don't just turn it off. Right. You don't just stop. So that's kind of how we got into the story and then kept digging into it and found a lot of stuff. We put together this report.

Yeah. We ran the report. I ran it all the way up to the chain of the station that I was at. You know, my news director read it. Agreed with it. Really? Yeah. And we actually were very gentle with it in that there's a lot of imagery associated with that pizza place.

imagery that was from the Instagram page of the guy who owned it, the guy who owned it James Elefantis. you know, there's no evidence that he's done anything to anyone, but he had a lot of like very weird, questionable, seemingly perverse photographs on his Instagram, little girl with a wrist taped to the table, things like that. Yeah. What was to do with the pizza place, though? Because the story was this shit happened in the basement,

but the place didn't even have a basement, right? That's what they say. Is there proof of that? Like, didn't somebody go in there? Well, the guy went in with the gun, and I think there are people who have tried to go. I mean, after that, like people are in. there are people who have tried to. Right. I think there are people who tried to. What I will, what I will break on your show is that since the Epstein stuff, since we've kind of been vindicated

through all this, I've had a lot of people who have come to me and said, you were right 10 years ago. 10 years ago, I was too afraid to say something, but I'm going to show you this, this, this. And what I will tell you is there is a basement in that pizza parlor. Really? Yep. You have images to prove it. Yep. No fucking way. So we're putting that together in the form of a full film that we'll be releasing soon.

But it blew my mind because I didn't believe there was. I thought this was just, you know, it became part of the conspiracy. Because the thing is whether there's a basement or not. Right. The concept of Pizza Gate is still true. There are powerful people who ritualistically and systematically, abuse small children. Right. And a lot of those people are around the largest centers of power in this country, right, whether they be the tech centers, the political centers, the financial

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our show and let them know we sent you. Now, what was the story with all of the symbolism that you were like decoding? Like you pointed out, there was a bunch of like weird symbols like in their logos, like hidden coded symbols or whatever. And then when the story broke, they ended up changing their logo or something like this. Exactly. So there is a, and you go back to 2007, I believe, and it's an FBI document at the time. And it was for internal use. It was later declassified. But for internal use, there are certain symbols that they use within these pet communities to communicate their preferences because there's lots of different kinds of preferences.

And one of them is a symbol for boy love or boy lover. And it is a triangle within triangles that goes all the way around. In the story, you can see it very clearly. Well, that pizza place under the name Besta Pizza had that in their logo. It was turned sideways, but it's the same symbol. Now you can say, well, maybe he just likes the triangle and didn't realize what it was or some graphic artists. These logos or these symbols?

Mm-hmm. And then the other thing that happens... Is that it? Yep, that's it. In the middle. So the logo for boy lover, and then you see the way they built out the symbol. They put some cheese on it and some dots.

Mm-hmm. And then that's the final one they changed it to on the very right. Correct. Without the inner... They removed the centerpiece of it. But what's also interesting about this, and Steve, you can probably find this too. And if you go to my original story,

the image is in there. So that alone doesn't mean anything, right? It could be coincidental. However, the guy who owned the place had all these indie bands who would come in and they had a really weird name. Sex Staines was one of them. I can't remember what the second one was. Right. But those bands, one of them had a music video and a lot of their music was about pedigms.

But they had a music video in which the drummer on the front of their drum set has that boy lover symbol. What? Yeah. Colored not like the pizza logo, colored like the FBI version. What the fuck, dude. Yeah. So I think, you know, this idea, and again, you know, I'm not here to claim anything about the guy specifically who owns it.

I have no evidence that he's done anything to anyone. So I don't want to claim that he has. What I'm saying, though, is that there is, there are a lot of questions that were around the story. So my original story was simply to say this, why hasn't this actually been investigated by anyone with power to investigate it? Why is it only online people who are talking about it? Right.

One of the things that stood out to me about the guy who owned the place is that he had been named in 2013 or 2014, I think, maybe 2015. GQ Magazine had named him one of the 50 most powerful people in Washington, D.C. A pizza shop owner? Yeah. In some strip mall in D.C. It's like D.C. has 100 senators. It has the president and his cabinet. Right.

The whole administration. It has the Supreme Court. It has 435 members of Congress. What's this guy's name? James Aliphantus. James Aliphantus. See if you can find that. GQ.

GQ. Type in GQ James Alifontas, see what you can find. See if it's been scrubbed. If it has been scrubbed, it's also in the original story, the image of it. So when you brought all this to the higher ups at the news channel, they were like, cool, let's do it. See what happens? Yeah.

I remember, I asked the guy because it took so many weeks after that guy has. had walked in with his gun. It took so many weeks to put this together and really investigate it. Right. By the time I took to him, I said to him, so it's ready to go, my only question is, do you still want to run it? Because it's been so many weeks. Right.

And he read through the story and he said, I don't see why we wouldn't run it. Like, you're the only one who's talking about this. And it's all here. It's like there's nothing you can look at. I would argue that you can look at that story and say, well, that's not true. Like everything we pointed out was true. Now, some people could say, well, maybe you're connecting things that you don't have the right to connect.

So challenge it. Right. Tell me where it's wrong. Right. But again, our point was that and even today, like I interviewed Michael Tracy, who's a very smart guy on Substack. He's a good journalist, but he's kind of a contrarian. Yes. For the sake of it.

There you go. This is him. Yeah. Oh, my God. He's number 49 of the top 50 most influential people in Washington. That is absurd. Not influential. It says powerful.

Oh, powerful. Yes. Jesus Christ, dude. And you own a single pizza shop. So it wasn't a chain. It was just one off. Yeah, it's not a chain. It's his own, his own place. And the reason he got dragged into the whole thing is because he's all over Podesta's emails communicating with Pesda about pizza. So that's how people traced it to him specifically. That's why he got dragged into it. And then the whole thing about Podesta's brother and his house with all those paintings. and all that creepy-ass artwork that he has in his house. It just adds a whole other layer to this thing. Like, what the fuck are these people really doing? It does add another layer.

And I think when you, when you, again, it's so interesting because the sourcing for that isn't some internet sleuth who was like, who I found out what he's got Tony Podesta has in his house. Tony Podesta had, I believe it was from the Washington Post, had some lifetime editor who years before had walked through his house to show off all of his artwork. He's bragging about it. Yeah. And it's a glowing piece written about his kind of risque artwork.

His risque artwork is like little girls lined up bare bottomed with their asses of red where they've been spanked, right? They've been disciplined. He had, there it is, Jeffrey Dahmer, that's the pose of how Jeffrey Dahmer left some of his victims. Really? Yeah. That's what that piece of art is. The headless body twisted like that hanging in his foyer. And that is the way Jeffrey Dahmer left.

And he's posing in front of it like this. There's, yeah, there's way sicker shit than this too. Yeah. There's like weird shit with like kids all lined up, like chain together and stuff. It's very, very perverse stuff. And by the way, I would argue this is something else we're working on as part of this new film we're going to put together. There is a, there is a, look at that one. That thing with a big long, like sloth hands.

Yeah, look at that. Now, is that, is that in his? I don't know if that's in his place or not. Yeah, that's pretty weird. But there is a correlation, I would argue, between what these, I don't want to say these, right? And when I get sued, between what these child, these rediolistic predators do and cannibalism. There is definitely a correlation between those two worlds. And the reason I say that is, like, again, if you.

You go into like what Podesta has there, right? Why would Tony Podesta have artwork that celebrates the victims of a cannibal? John Podesta, his brother, whose emails were leaked in his campaign office, and you can look this one up too, in his campaign office for Hillary Clinton when he was working for his chief of staff, he has a painting of a doctor eating one of his patients. And so there's a lot of like cannibalistic stuff that fits into that. And I think when you start to dig in on the Epstein stuff. So Epstein's a complicated story because I keep describing it to people like this.

From what I can understand, it's like a series of rings, right? The widest ring is like, just because you're in one of Jeffrey Epstein's emails doesn't mean you're even a perverted person. That's a great way to put it. Right. That's a good way to put it. That's a lot of people in there because that was his job. Part of what he did as an intelligence asset is he's just going to connect to us. I've talked to lots of scientists that have done just one-off Zoom calls with the guy,

just because he was interested in whenever there was. looking at and they knew like why wouldn't I do this this guy's funded all my smartest people I know yeah you know what I mean absolutely he he was a a what are you looking for oh the doctor photo type in type in yeah that's that was um in the tona-podesta home those are the the girls who he said it was a doctor eating patient type that yeah and that was also a a write-up that was done And I think by the Washington Post about his, his, is it on the clown? No.

No. I would recognize it if I saw it. Keep looking, Steve. You'll find it. See, some of this stuff gets scrubbed. And that's what's interesting too. Yeah, Google curates this shit, dude, big time. When you, when you find stuff along the way,

I've tried to save as much as I can because that stuff disappears in a very odd way. It does. It really does. Also, the ring analogy. Yeah. It's great. So, yeah. So that widest ring, there's lots of people.

And you're actually right, too. Like when you're as wealthy as Jeffrey Epstein is and you can fund a lot of stuff, why wouldn't people talk to them? Especially when they don't know. Exactly. So you have that wider ring. Then you had a us, and this is a pretty kind of crude analogy because obviously you're trying to draw lines without really understanding the lines. But I would say the next ring up is, okay, there are people who, hey, maybe we go a little bit deeper. I'm into some weird stuff like cloning and I want human experimentation and let's do gene modification and sperm modification.

and you've got to be a little more twisted to start moving towards that world. Yes. Then you get into a ring of people that I would say is the, hey, by the way, we have some fun on our island. You know, if you like girls, I'm not to want kids.

I'm talking about girls who are like 17. They're barely where they're not supposed to be. Or maybe they're 18 or maybe they're 19. Right. And you get there and you don't even know the girls like 17 instead of 19. Right. Because that's also part of the honey truck.

She could look 25 and you would never know. And that's part of the game. Yes, 100%. And we don't know who fits in what circle either. We have no idea. By the limited hangout of the emails that we've gotten because we have, you know, for example, Elon Musk could be totally fucking innocent. But we have emails of him going back and forth Epstein about wanting to go to the island. We have no proof that he ever went.

It doesn't seem like he went. Right. But like, there's a huge gap there in our knowledge of who fits in what part of that circle. Well, and then we know that like the commerce secretary, Howard Lundick, right? We know that he lied and he went to the island. Fucking liar. He took his kids to the island. Yeah.

But we don't know he did anything on the island, right? We did know he fucking lying through his teeth. But we lied about it. Right, exactly. So that becomes a bigger problem. The bigger problem is that if you did nothing wrong, why'd you lie? Why did you pretend that you were never? And why the fuck does he still have a job?

That's my question. Yeah. How's the guy still the fucking commerce secretary when he lived 10 steps away from Jeffrey Epstein and lied to fucking everybody in the most condescending theatrical way on that stupid podcast, whatever that thing that was called, Pod Save America or whatever it was? Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, anyways. So then you have that circle.

And there's a circle of men who I think were brought there. And they were supposed to be honey trapped, right? That's the whole point of it. Right. But then you have that kind of darkest circle, which is the very top one, right? Which is the, so for very select people, there is a ritualistic, abusive element that's focused on very young, small children. In some cases, kids as small as infants or babies. And it also seems to be tied into kind of a satanic belief.

So there's like a satanic element to that. It's ritualistic. It's, and it's very focused on very young children. And it absolutely exists. It is absolutely within every power structure, it seems like. And there are people who are in those circles who are running around with lots of other powerful people who have no idea that they're in it. Right. Right. So I think where we where people make the mistake is you think, well, it's like, it's like the Illuminati, right? The people at the very, very top, they're all in on it. No, they're not all in on it. There's a very select group of people who are in on it. And those people believe they, they are deriving power from this. They think it's giving them power over everyone else. Where does this derive from? Where does this, where does this come from this belief? I think a lot of it comes from kind of a satanic. A lot of people are now more familiar with this bell worship or bailout.

worship that comes out of Canaanite and Hebrew theology. I think it's related to that, but I think it's really just more of kind of like this satanic belief. And there's also a belief within those circles that there is absolutely a God and there is a devil and they absolutely believe in heaven and hell. But where they seem to have a very different view when we think of heaven and hell versus how they view it, they you hell as a place that has hierarchy. And so they're not afraid of hell. They believe that if they are sentenced to hell, that they will rule hell, that they'll be the elites within that society as well. That is part of that belief system. It's just really hard for me to fathom how anyone could fall into that

and believe something like that, you know, just from my perspective. And I, And I always wonder, is that, does all this crazy shit just come with the territory of being like a super billionaire who has leverage and is at like the very top tier of society and can basically, you know you can get away with anything you want and just you have the entire world at your disposal? Because it kind of goes back in history. It goes pretty far back in history down to like the Greco-Roman period. and like the Roman emperor is doing very similar shit. Yeah, I think it's a very old spiritual problem. Yeah. I think it is a religious problem that is older than what we call religion today.

Right. I think it transcends every generation. But I think there is a, and I believe that there are very real, like there is very real spiritual darkness in this world. And I think these people tap into it. And I think it's what some of what pulls them deeper and deeper into this stuff. Because you have to think about, it's one thing to kind of have weird or perverse tendencies. But when you're talking about things that involve, you know, children and babies, like, where does someone find that inside them?

And then where does someone find it inside them to do this repeatedly? The other thing that I think is fascinating as I've viewed this world trying to understand it and trying to piece together who's connected and where is that we have a tendency, I think, to think about child predators especially as like the lone weirdo in a basement someplace, right? And they're sending files to somebody over here. Somebody, it was a comedian. And he was just, he was making a joke, but he said, What's the deal with like, it sounds like Jerry Sinfeld.

What's the deal? What's the deal with like Epstein writing to everyone? It's like, dear billionaire friend, would you like to come to my island and have children? And they're like, oh, Jeffrey, it sounds like a wonderful time. I'll bring so and so and so and so, right? And they'll share this information. And they're incriminating themselves.

Yeah. Why do it? This way? Well, in part because part of Jeffrey Epstein's job was to incriminate you. It was to get you to admit certain things. But the other thing is, is that there is, again, there's a belief within this where at a certain level they believe they have to involve other people with this. So they, at least at this highest circle, they do not believe like they're operating independently because this is like their own like weird fetish and I have this thing and I'm so ashamed of it. They're not ashamed of it at all.

They're actually very proud of it. And so they try to bring in other people and they. They brag to each other. They brag about the age of the kid. They brag about what the child looked like. They brag about whether the child was terrified when certain things were happening. They describe this stuff in detail and almost to the point of trying to compete with each other. And so I think it's if you're a normal person who doesn't ever have any inclination towards

this world, it's so foreign that it's almost impossible to understand like what they're doing. It really is. Yeah. It really is. But those emails do seem to corroborate a lot of the original things that came out in the pizza gay stuff. Absolutely. Absolutely. How about 911 times Jeffrey Epstein is writing to people about pizza?

Yeah. And not one time is it actually have any of those emails have to do with an actual name of a pizza restaurant or a pizza receipt or a specific order for pizza. Never. It's conversations with people that's clearly when you read them, it's coded language. It's very clear that it's coded language. Yeah. And there was one specifically on, I know that Jmail, a lot of us has been pulled back on that.

Like they had, originally we had access to all of it, I think. And then they pulled the DOJ somehow, like, redacted more of it or somehow just behind the scenes. They started deleting them. So the J-mail wouldn't have access to them or whatever. But I remember one specifically where one of the girls was emailing another girl. It's like, oh, my God, great news. I hope you're sitting down or whatever.

Jeffrey wants to have pizza. with you and blah blah blah blah like I know you know what this means winky face winky face um literally says I know you know what this means yes if somebody if I send you an email and say hey I want to have pizza with you I wouldn't have to follow it with I know you know what this means because I would think you would know it with me right pizza these days everyone's talking about functional mushrooms like lions main cordyceps and rishi and recently I went down a rabbit hole of one of the weirdest and most historically fascinating ones on earth you've seen it before it's the iconic red one with the white spots.

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that you did at the TV station, what happened after that thing aired? So the next day came into work, the story blew up overnight. I think we had three million views in like eight hours on it. And again, today that would be, even easier to do.

It was a lot harder to do that in 2016. Come in the next day and they're freaking out. We're pulling this story down. We've got to take it down. Wow. What's happened? And the network, CBS Network was calling and freaking out. Podestas were calling.

Their lawyers were calling. Yeah. Why would you guys put this on the air? How could you allow this to be out there? And so, you know, so the first accusation was that I had gone rogue and done this on my own. Nope. here's the sign off from all these people. Everybody knew this story was coming.

Like we did it. Oh, and then, well, and at the time I was running an independent project at the same time that I've been doing for about, I'm still doing it. So at the time, it had been six years. It's called the Truth in Media Project. So while I was working for CBS, I also had this independent work that was going on. And so then they jumped to that. Well, well, you're not supposed to do this or this or this. And I'm like, nope, in my contract, I can do it.

I showed them everything. So basically they said, all right, here's the deal. So either we're going to give you an option. We're going to fire you and you can sue us and that'll take you forever to deal with that. Or you can stay here working for us, but you have to turn off all your social media. And I thought it was a bizarre request. Like so no Facebook, no YouTube, no X or Twitter, right? None of it.

Got to turn it all off. Go dark completely. So that was like, well, I had five kids. wife and I was like okay right what's what's the point of even saying no to that so I can do what so we turned everything off it was off for a year and I continue to be their anchor so a lot of people thought I was dead oh my god you were a what happened they killed him but no I was still sitting on the nightly news in Atlanta every night you know four five six and ten and and my face was still on billboards in Atlanta but the online world it was like he just gone

That's so crazy. Yeah. So I did that for a year. And then I had a chance through in 2018 because crypto had done so well. I had some guys who were fans who were part of a crypto project that had a marketing budget. And they said, hey, you want to bring back the stuff you were doing independently. And we can, we'll sponsor it. And I said, yeah, let's do it. So went back after a year and said to my bosses, so you guys have been in violation of my contract for a year. So I'm starting to do this stuff again. I'm turning it back on. This is the date. I'm turning it back on.

And they were like, okay, we'll think about it. And I walked out. They called, you're fired. Wow. Wow, dude. So that was my last stint in local, last stint working for corporate media and just I've done everything independent since. Yeah, man. The attacks that people would get for covering this kind of stuff, it created this huge

barrier between people where it's like, if you get anywhere close to even considering any of that crazy shit, like Pizza Gate, QAnon, any of that crap, it was just radioactive. Yep. Right? And it wasn't that long ago, right? 10 years ago, roughly. And today, it's just like the norm. Yeah.

Like, this kind of stuff is no big deal. Like, if Israel launched a nuke tomorrow and a UFO stopped it, like, okay, what's for dinner? Yeah. Like, what is that? Right. And I think what that is, honestly, is that, well, first of all, at the time in 2016, again,

so this was just the beginning of the attempted censorship model for social. So a couple of things that happened to me that were very interesting was, one, making me take all my stuff down, which told me at the time. Censorship, yeah. I was like, so this is even before Alex Jones got pulled from anything, right? This happens to me. It wasn't until two years later, Alex Jones was actually forced off of YouTube. So at that moment, I was like, okay, so there's something so powerful about what's happening with social and online communities. That's what they're scared of because they don't care if you're sitting on TV every night, right? They don't have any problem with that.

Well, of course they don't because nobody watches freaking local TV anyway. There's no influence. But online was where the influence was. The other thing that happened was, what is this? Oh, that's it. Is that top left? Yes. Is this like a screen shot or something?

Oh my God, what the fuck, dude? Goats carrying cages with like baby dolls in there? nothing man they're they are fucked up look at look at the the top one up here with the children on the table oh my god so everything is these faceless uh so there's a lot of these these these kind of like um faceless images and then like the little kids there's a lot of those you probably came across some with on the beds and stuff right yeah there's stuff where they're on beds and there's an adult up on top of one of the kids other kids are standing around the the bed watching.

Yes. It's, I mean, this is what they call art. An oil painting on loan from his brother Tony. Shows two men holding knives and forks, leaning over a dining room table where a man in a suit lay. When asked about the paintings by Time magazine, John said, it's better to be a guy with a fork than a guy on the table. And it isn't a painting depicting surgery.

It's depicting cannibalism. Fucking crazy. Yeah. I mean, it's a twisted, there's a twisted, twisted part to this. The other thing is there's a woman named, and you will find a lot of her stuff. You've probably already seen it as you're going through that stuff named Marina Abramovich, who is a performance artist. This is going to be, by the way, great for your Patreon channel because so much of this

is going to have to get bleeped. Yeah, yeah. For people on YouTube, I'm very, very sorry. There's going to be lots of bleeps or muted areas of this podcast, but the full. unedited version will be on Patreon. There you go. So you need to go there to hear all this stuff. But yeah, the, so she is a performance artist. And one of the things she does is something called spirit cooking. Have you heard of this? No. So spirit cooking is performance art using blood and semen. And you're drinking both blood and semen as part of this. It's spirit cooking. You're making this

little mix. She does a lot of this stuff. A lot of her performance art involves images of children or depictions of children. Sexual abuse themes run through almost everything she does. Sexual abuse for adults as well. And then like I said, a lot of the spirit cooking stuff. So there's a lot of these spirit cooking conversations with John Podesta in the emails where she's inviting him to another spirit cooking event and come to this thing. What? Yeah, there's a lot of it. And so she's heavily tied into this as far as kind of representing, I think, for a lot of people, that kind of satanic element, right? So her name goes away. And then it's so interesting because there is a direct connection all the way back into the Epstein stuff, which is that, so Epstein was very close to the little dictator over in Ukraine, Zelensky.

They were very close. Really? Yeah. There's a bunch of emails between the two of them. They had lunch together multiple times. Epstein was very involved in Ukraine since 2014. He was very excited about the U.S. leg coup there, wrote an email describing it as being very, very good for us and saying there were many, many possibilities that would take place because of the destabilization of Ukraine.

And the fact that the U.S. overthrew the leader there and installed their own guy. When Zelensi was running, he liked Zelensky. He wrote an email to someone basically saying Zelensky was an idiot and doesn't know anything, but that's why he would be easy to manipulate. Right. And then they had a lot of meetings together. Well, flash forward all the way to 2023, the wars. going on between Russia and Ukraine.

And while that war is going on, Zelensky invites performance artist Marina Abramovich to come to Ukraine and to become an ambassador, not to Ukraine, an ambassador for Ukraine. And she's not even Ukrainian. She's Romanian. But he wanted her to come and be an ambassador for Ukraine. And you can't make this stuff up. Her specific area would be to be the ambassador for. for the children who were orphaned by this war.

The spirit cooking artist who's all over the Pizza Gate emails, who's all over this stuff talking about, you know, the, and by the way, cannibalism is a huge part of her performance art too. There's pictures of her and Lady Gaga at some event where they have like a human body, yep, there it is, lying in this thing and they're eating off of it. What the f?

This is her, the Bromovich girl, did this? So, yeah, so Abramovich is the one with the spoon and mouth next to Lady Gaga. What the fuck on the right? If you want to see this, we'll link it below for people. But this is insane. It's insane.

Oh my God. This is her artwork. Yep. Keep going down. Yeah. We can't show this or else we'll get this shit. Nuked off YouTube. Wow.

I don't understand it. I don't understand it. And, You know, what is really frustrating also is when you see Hillary Clinton getting deposed in that recent deposition where they're questioning her about this stuff. And they're like, sorry, we're going to ask you a lot of questions about some stuff like Pizza Gate. And she's like in this condescending tone. Like, yes, I know you are. You guys are very weird for doing this.

Like trying to like, you know, play this weird psychological game with them as if like it's it's the media's fault for being so crazy trying to ask her about. these questions when, you know, it's her and these people in power that are like quite obviously guilty of something. I don't know what, but like, correct. There's, there's so much smoke, where's the fire, you know? There definitely is a fire somewhere. Absolutely. Absolutely. And yeah, when she was deposed about it and they asked her, what was her belief about it? She said, it's a disgusting theory that's been debunked. Right, right. John Vanessa says that all the time, too. It's debunked. They love that word. By who? Who debunked it?

Exactly. And what part of it was debunked? What specifically was debunked? The problem is all these people are fucking lawyers. And they're just good at like using words in a way. There's like that guy Todd Blanched it the other day with the Epstein stuff. They're questioning about the Epstein files. Like, what do you mean by the Epstein files?

Can you define the Epstein files? And I sent you a video of this there, David. It's like it's just so infuriating how these people are so slick and have this way of just obfuscating the question and getting around it and not answering it. They're just like, it's just because they're so good at manipulating language. Yeah. It's just so blatantly obvious what you're doing. Well, it's like it goes all the way back to Bill Clinton.

Remember, he said it depends on what the definition of is is. Yes. Right. Exactly. Yeah, play this clip. Steve. Throw these on. You can hear it.

I want to go on to the Epstein investigation. Is it closed or open? when you say the Epstein investigation, what are you referring to, Senator? Well, the FBI said in last year, in July, that it had closed the Epstein investigation. So I'm just using their words, is it open or closed? I don't believe the FBI said that. Well, I mean, if you're referring to your head of the Department of Justice is the Epstein investigation open or closed. But I guess I don't understand what Epstein investigation means.

I want to go on to the episode. I don't know what the Epstein investigation means. What is it? Actually, fair question. What is the EPSY investigation? Because we haven't investigated anything at this point. Yeah, I just, I think it's crazy that it's legal. It's crazy that it's legal for like people to run for public office on one thing.

And then once they get in completely do a 180. No, I feel like a lot of people feel betrayed by the Trump administration because he came in and his whole idea, just 30,000 foot idea. was to end corruption. It was drain the swamp, right? And it was to prosecute all the crimes of people that did, you know, insider trading, whatever it may be, just corruption in general, secrecy. And it's just the complete fucking opposite, man. It is.

It, like, is the swamp. And that's why I feel like, you know, I feel a lot, not just me, I have a lot of people really feel betrayed. Oh, yeah. By all this shit, man. I just came down from Kentucky. I spent. Really?

Covering the Thomas Massey primary. interviewed Massey on Monday the day before and then was was at his event and you know the guy he was running against this Ed Gowrin it was just a who is that guy he's a joke he's a joke no he refused to debate eight debates he refused to debate even one time didn't do events it was it was just like Biden in 2020 when he basically hid in the basement the whole time yeah that's what this guy did he just hid in the basement he didn't do anything he's a horrible candidate massey made an interesting comment about him he said he said he said Ed Gowrin is the first person I've ever heard.

He said most people will get into office like you just said, and they do a 180 on what they said they would do. He said, Ed Gowrin's the first guy who's running for office saying, I won't do anything. I'll just do what I'm told. He's not making any campaign promises. Well, he made one promise.

What was that? To bring back the draft. Yeah. He is talking about that, isn't he? That's the one thing I heard. How fucking crazy is that? I don't understand how this. It does feel like the 2020 thing

when Biden was in the basement. Like this guy did nothing. And I think Massey's won every single time that he has one. It's been by like 70 to 80%. Yep. And it was, you know, there's a lot of people saying online, whether or not it was, you know, there were mail in and there was all these.

I don't know if it's true or not. I will tell you just being on the ground there, all the enthusiasm was for Massey. However, when I would talk to people who were doorkers, they were not terribly confident. They said this is going to be tight because they said there are these boomers who sit in their house with Fox News running on their TV all day long. And they, and they'll just, and they'll say, I'm not voting for him.

He's a terrible guy. He's a Democrat. And they're like, this guy's been your congressman for 10 years, 12 years. He's funded by jihadists. Yeah. Yeah. He's taking money from Iran. In Kentucky? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. The jihadis are funding in a Kentucky congressman. Yeah. Meanwhile, they're always going to accuse you of the thing they're doing, right? Yeah. Israel is running this thing with $20 million, $25,030, however much it ends up being at the end of it.

And it's three billionaires. Three billionaires basically were the ones who did all of the funding. I just saw some crazy thing the other day where they were claiming that Massey was taking all of his money from Super Packs. Really? Massey's money did not come from Super Packs. Massey's money came from people donating $50 at a time, and he raised $15 million in that race.

And when we were at his concession speech, right? And I'm standing there and people are going nuts. Oh, you were there in the crowd? Yeah. They're going nuts. Like I've never seen a concession speech with that much enthusiasm. And they're just and they're chanting out in 2028. They're chanting president, run for president. I think he's actually going to run. I think that based on what's happened with this race, it's, it's so funny because Trump in 2020, Democrats spent the next four years just trying to wipe him off the face of the earth to make sure he would have no chance to run again. They actually made him a martyr. They made him sympathetic. We had us try Zand effect.

They made people like him, right? Maybe I didn't like him before, but now like you keep trying to destroy this guy. You've tried to bury him, you tried to kill him. So you get, you start winning over people who are saying, if they hate you that much, there must be something to you. I feel like the exact same thing is happening right now with Thomas Massey. Yeah.

And I don't understand how the people that are funding the other guy, whatever his name is. What's his name? Ed Gowrin. And I don't understand how they can't foresee what the, what the third level domino effect of this is going to be. and how people, especially young, people are going to react to this and how it's going to propel him even farther.

And it's going to have a huge strides and effect where people are just going to resent, you know, the idea of a foreign lobby influencing America and they're becoming more aware of like all this bullshit with Israel and fucking these fighting these stupid wars and bringing us into, you know, Iran and the whole Gaza thing and all that. And, yeah, I just, I don't understand it. I don't understand how they could be so short-sided

as to where this will play out in the next three years. Well, part of the problem is that all the billionaires who are funding it are very, very old. So they don't really care what it looks like in three years. However, it's ironic because everything Trump touches, he elevates. Right. whether you like Trump or don't like him, he just has that effect.

And that includes bashing somebody. So the more he has bashed Thomas Massey, the more famous he has made him. He's actually elevated his profile. You want to weaken Thomas Massey. You want to keep him so that he doesn't have an effect. They shouldn't have bothered him at all. Let him run his little piddly race in Kentucky's

fourth congressional district. And yeah, you got this one annoying guy in Congress who keeps making noise, but you got 430. for others that you can just basically override everything he's doing anyways. So do that. And instead, they just want to go after this one guy to make an example of him.

And I'm telling you, man, they have raised his profile to the point where Thomas Massey, I've known him since 2012 when I was working in Cincinnati. So I was an anchor in Cincinnati. And when he ran the first time, I interviewed him before. He got elected. I interviewed him afterwards. I love the guy. I think he is like totally legit.

The stuff he says he's going to do, he's been doing this. for 14 years. He's exactly the same. I told him when I saw him, though, he said, you got a little older. I said, man, you had a glow up because he was like had this curly hair in the glasses and stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah. He looked to Kiki before, yeah. Somebody, somebody says, Thomas Massey went from being Harry Potter to Robert E. Lee. He did. It's so true. He's got the trim beard now. And he looks fantastic, man. His wife's got him looking good. He said, she picked off this jacket. I said, she's doing good. Yeah. Yeah. Give him 12 more months. He's going to be jacked, dude.

He's going to get a couple. He's going to get a couple. He's going to start rotting Harley. Well, you know, he's got seven months in office. Seven months left, right? Yeah, because even though, you know, he was defeated. No, not really, because he's got seven months where he can, he pointed out that it was, the day of the election was six months to the day of the Epstein transparency,

Files Transparency Act. He's like, and he listed all the different people from, you know, the World Economic Forum to Prince Andrew to the different ambassadors who have all been fired or arrested since the Epstein Files came up. Yeah. And he says, and that was in six months, I still have seven to go, right? But I believe that what Thomas Massey is recognizing is he's inheriting a sizable portion of that MAGA coalition.

Now, if you listen to a lot of these online influencers, they're going to tell you, oh, MAGA's fine, mega's not fine. MAGA, as it stands today, is a boomer party, is what it's become. You've lost the independence. You've lost the young men who turned out to vote all those podcast listeners who listened to shows like yours who said, I'm going to give this guy a shot, right, who don't even vote. Right. You've lost them. You've lost the Maha, the Make America Healthy Again moms.

That was a big part of that coalition. You've lost the libertarians. That was a huge part of your coalition because they finally voted for Trump saying, no more wars. At least he'll give us that. Right. Didn't give you that. Right. I would say at least a third of that coalition has no place to go.

and they have now adopted Thomas Massey as their unofficial leader and they're moving to him. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Totally. And how do you go from, like again, like back to what I was saying. How how do you have like a real country when you can literally become the leader by saying, for example, I'm going to release all the Epstein files and then when you get in saying, if you say, if you want to talk about Epstein, you're not Maga. You're not MAGA. You're not MAGA. Whatever. Yeah. Like, it's okay to refer to Republicans to talk about anything except for Epstein, right?

And the one guy who is won't shut up about Epstein and who wants to get all the Epstein files out and get them all transparent. Yep. That's the guy we're going to focus on. We're going to fucking take him out. But again, the only way you're going to resolve that is you've got to get somebody who's willing to run and say, I will do this. And you've got to be able to believe they will. So the problem is is that now we're seeing because, you know, it was interesting. prior to 2024, everyone on the right said release the Epstein files.

Yes. It's the most bipartisan story of my lifetime. Yeah, and now you have all these people on the right who are like, oh, there's nothing to this story. Laura Lumer just put out a thing saying it's a hoax. I saw that. Like, what part is a hoax? So Epstein wasn't real.

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2006, I think. 2006? That Jeffrey Epstein, because his homes were raided, had in every single one of his homes, and again, we're flashing back in time 20 years. This is not a common thing. He had a media room in every single one of his homes. filled with, and they're not flat screen TVs back then. They're right, they're like those fat tube TVs,

and they're mounted on the walls, and he's got monitors everywhere, and he's got cameras wired in every single room in his house. Again, 2026, most people have cameras all over their house if they want to have them, right? And they're all connected by Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. My grandma's got a ring doorbell. Yeah, everyone has that stuff now.

20 years ago, nobody had that. Because that requires actually running wires through the entire house. Right, right, right. We also know that Epstein has storage units hidden all around the country. Yes. What's in the storage units? You know what's in the storage units.

It's all evidence because you don't have cameras set up all over your house that are recording, by the way, onto tape because 20 years ago, and even before that, 30 years ago, how long was he doing this? You're not recording on anything digital. These are recorded onto VHS tapes. These are recorded onto beta tapes. And those physical tapes are sitting someplace. And we know that he has storage units hidden.

If he was doing this in some kind of way that had nothing to do with a blackmail, he wouldn't hide them around the country. You'd put them close to home. You'd put him in your basement where you could access them if you needed them. Instead, he had them hidden all over the place. So, you know, I just tend to try to remind people of that

because when you start to get fed this vile, well, maybe it really is nothing. Maybe it wasn't what we thought it was. Remember the facts of what we know about this guy. and the facts of what he was doing. He absolutely was a honeypot, and he has plenty of evidence on everyone. Yeah, that's true.

And there was even a New York Times article that had photos of his house in Palm Beach and his house in New York, and I think including the island. And it literally showed the cameras there, right? And like, at some level, I'm like, if some of these politicians and these high-level people are going to his houses, like Bill Clinton

and, you know, Trump went to his townhouse in New York many, many times, according to, I think it was Virginia Gufrey said that. How are these people not seeing these cameras and not being aware of this stuff? Like, is there some level of, like, trust that's in the air where it's just like, okay, I'm here, like, let my hair down, let my guard down, and I'm not worried about this. But, and also, like, when presidents traveled, like, don't they bring, like, insane security detail that has, have to do like sweeps of the places before they go there and stuff like that or when they even travel on planes and stuff. So I don't know. There's no way a sitting president was going into those properties because yes, Secret Service would be sweeping them. Oh, they weren't sitting presidents at the time. But like Clinton, there are stories and people forget this too. There are stories

because he was on that Lolita Express plane. Yeah. Dozens of times somewhere like 30 or 40 times, right? But what I thought was interesting and I was reporting on this all the way back in like 2014. And even at that time, there were reports that the Secret Service who had worked with him would say that Bill Clinton would sign fake names to get on that manifest, to get on the plane, and he would dodge his security detail to get on the Lillita Express. There were multiple reports all the way back then. So this claim that, oh, the only time that Clinton was ever with him was when he went with Kevin Spacey and they went to Africa and then they went on this trip and he went to the island a couple of times.

He's all over that flight manifest for the Lillita Express. But again, according to the Secret Service, there are times he's signing someone else's name, and he's dodging his detail, and they have to go to the island separately from him in order to retrieve him. And this is before or after he's president? This is after he's president.

After he's president. Yeah. But now as a former president, you still have that security detail with you. That's fucking bonkers. Crazy. What do you make of that recent story, I think this might have been two weeks,

ago, maybe three years ago now, of the model who was the ex-wife of the guy who's now, like, has some bullshit title in Trump's cabinet. He was a former model agency owner or something like this. Correct. Italian dude. Yes. Who came out and said something on Twitter and then Melania came out and made like a public statement. Correct. Because she, the wife, who was Melania's best friend, who the report, the reports are that this friend was the one who introduced Melania to Jeffrey Epstein. And the claim is Zampaula, Zampaoli, Zampalo was the guy's name?

It's something like that. Yeah. And his wife, I guess he got ICE to deport her. Yes, that's correct. She was deported back in Brazil. Yep. And then she said, I'm telling everything. So then apparently,

I felt like the apparently kid, apparently. Apparently, Melania didn't decide she's going to hold this press conference. And I heard from people, in the White House who said nobody knew what she was going to say when she went out that day. Really? The staff was not informed. So nobody knew what that.

Yeah. Hall of Zam Poli, this guy. Yeah. Can you pull up the picture of his wife? Again, why does a guy who's a former model agency owner have a fucking, what's his title? Is it Amanda Ungaro? He is the. I believe that is it.

Yeah, Amanda Ungaro. That sounds right. Yep. Yes. Yes, there she is. So she was a model with Melania together. Right. The story is that she introduced Melania to Epstein and that the reason why Melania came out and gave this totally out of left field bizarre press conference and everybody's like, what did we talk?

What's happening? Yeah. Was that because in it she says I did not meet Donald through Jeffrey Epstein. I met him separately at some club. Remember, she gave like a whole bunch of explanation as to how she and Donald met each other and they had nothing to do with Epstein. and she didn't know Epstein. And there's all these pictures of her and Epstein together. Right.

There's a lot of pictures of this. Yes. So the claim is that when this woman was deported, Amanda was deported, she was like, I'm telling everything. Right. And that was why they rush them. Can you pull up her tweets? If there's a screenshot of her tweet, like what she said,

because they were like, they were pretty sharp threats that she made of like destroying Melania with the information that she has. I'd be curious to see those and like see like, If they're still up or if she deleted him, I thought she might have maybe deleted them. Or somebody did. Or somebody did. I'm not sure.

Maybe somebody fucking deleted her. I'd be pretty afraid about it. I haven't heard anything from her. Yeah, no, I don't think anybody has. But that guy, Paulo Zampoli,

you know, he's come out and he's made some threats against people talking about him and stuff like that, saying that like his, again, no self-awareness with this guy. And he needs to find a new fucking social media team, whoever's posting on his ex account.

But they made some sort of posts on his ex-account saying that anyone that talks about him, and Epstein is going to get some sort of like a lawsuit threat or whatever. He's trying to intimidate like journalists from talking about him. But good luck with that, Paulo. I talk to people too all the time about this. This is like people that are saying like, look, man, I'm fucking tired of hearing about Epstein. I don't want to hear any more about this Epstein shit.

It's fucking I'm over it. You guys have been beating it to death. So unfortunately, at some level, they're, whatever they're doing, is working. Well, so there is a tactic there, right? Yeah. And the tactic is we're going to put out, like they did, three million files, right?

We can give you a whole bunch of stuff. Yeah. We're going to let everybody dig through this stuff. We're going to let you make a big deal about it, talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk. But at a certain point, because they've held back. So interestingly, if you look at the Epstein files, half the files are out.

Three million of six million. But only 2% of the data is out. So the amount of data in those files, 98% is unreleased. Well, how can you do half of it and only do 2%? That means of the half that's not released is video. And that's what they're not releasing. You release that stuff, and now you've got a whole different story. So one thing that's been very tactical about the way the Epstein files have been released

is by just releasing emails and stuff. Yeah, there's some people who were interested in it and shocked by it. But if you hold back images where people don't ever have a, a mental picture, it goes away faster. Yes. Yes. That's very true. And also, wasn't there a huge chunk of missing emails from like 2000?

Mm-hmm. What was it? COVID. No, I thought it was 9-11. That too. Yeah. Like the year leading up to 9-11 and like a year after 9-11. Yeah.

There was a chart that came out that showed the dates of all the emails that were released. And there's a fucking year gap right there. Right. Nothing around 90. All right, here's the Amanda Ungaro tweet from March 9th. No, April 9th. Sorry. Hello, Melania.

I was around you for 20 years. You knew I was inside ice. And you know what hurts after all this time. I stayed close to your family, your mother, and your father. Not because of you, because of them at events and everything else. So shut your mouth when speaking about me. This is not. Oh, because I will expose.

everything I know. This must have been after Melania. She had a couple like this. Yeah, she must, I would be curious to see her first one. Yeah, and then there was the email with the shadow commission, the, would you like to be on the 9-11 shadow commission, the Geelaine email? You know, I wonder how much of that, is it possible that any of that was like cherry picked and like thrown in there with certain things redacted to be like, okay, this will ratchet up the schizophrenia in people and like just drive people crazy. Because they dropped all that shit on us with no analysis, right? If the FBI's had all this stuff for so long, well, isn't it your job to like give us a description

of what your conclusion was to all of this and like, what you've done about it or what you're gonna do about it? Or like, who was he? What is your actual conclusion of who the guy was? But there was none of that. Well, there wasn't, because there wasn't an investigation. there were multiple investigations where they just gathered information. Right.

But no one was building a case against him. And I think that's the primary problem with the Epsons case, is that there is no actual case that was built. There was no case to say, we believe he is X, Y, or Z. But again, go all the way back to, you know, 2006 and Alexander Acosta, right? Right. Who was in the Trump administration the first time as the Labor Secretary. Belongs to intelligence is what he said, right?

Yeah, he said that he was told it. belongs to intelligence. When he was trying to put him away, he was told you need to stand down because he belongs to intelligence. What does that mean? Does that mean CIA? So here's what I believe now, after all this. I believe that he was not CIA, nor was he Mossad. I think he was an equal opportunity kind of intelligence for hire, where they would come to him for specific people or wanted information on specific people, and he would just gather it. However, having said that, I think he worked independently enough that if you went through CIA files, you're not going to find like a contract for him. But I do believe CIA and Assad were both funding him.

Yes. Right. But if they do it off the books, then it's not a honey trap because you're not. If you fund the guy who's bringing all the girls in and bringing all the powerful people in, then you're the one who's entrapping everybody. But if you kind of pay him through the back door and he's taking all this in, and now he's just a guy who has access and I can give you information. on people. But what's also interesting to me is that people will say, well, who's the who's Epstein now? Who's the next Epstein? This is the next Epstein. Like they don't, they don't need a honey trap anymore. We honey trap ourselves all day long because intelligence agencies and

Mossad, CIA, NSA spend all day long going through our data, right? We're creating the footprint. They can hear us on our phones. They can see us on our phones. They're able to watch everything that we're doing constantly. If they want to track you and they want to find stuff on you, they don't need some guy to invite you to an island. Right. Now, that doesn't mean that for certain powerful people, they don't still send certain assets in to influence them in a certain way or draw them into something in particular. But again, it's not like it used to be because we're constantly surveilled. Yeah, that's true. And it's less of a liability. Suicide murder or still alive.

Hmm. Okay. You want me to tell you where I am first? Please. I think he's still alive. Yep. Yeah. I would say I'm 90% that he's still alive, 10% that he was killed.

I was 99% he was killed until I met someone through the Pizza Gate stuff we're working on who says he is absolutely. alive. Really? And did this person have any evidence? This person is giving me their belief based upon someone else who's very close to them. And the person who's very close to them would absolutely know. Really? So then I now I'm like completely unsure. So I went from what being like 99% sure he's dead to now being like, if he's dead, then yeah, but otherwise probably like 10% sure he's dead. Well, why the FBI released the wrong footage of the wrong jail cell, number one, and why have an edit on it? Because the photo they released after he died was a different jail cell. Yes. And why on his autopsy, were they saying they examined his prostate when the guy didn't

have a fucking prostate? And that was on paper. All there's evidence. where he's talking to his doctor saying, I don't have a prostate. Yeah. Well, and they admit in, again, in the EPS files, you can find the emails where they admit that they did not roll his body out,

that they put a bunch of boxes and things under a sheet, and they rolled it out to trick the media. Right. And why also, on a Saturday morning, when they wheel the body out of the back of the prison cell, is there a photographer ready to go? Right.

Right. Like, that's a slow, Isn't that one of the slowest news days of the week Saturday? Now, in that case, if he was dead and they thought that it was there and you tip him off, sure. But if you tip him off intentionally and say, hey, they're going to be bringing his body out. He's coming out this way. And then you put a bunch of boxes under a sheet and you roll the sheet out.

I mean, that's just, I don't know. It's crazy. And you're right. The thing about releasing the wrong video and the wrong door and all that stuff and the video was all, the metadata was all wrong. I think that is a symbol of incompetency. Yeah. I don't think they did it because they were trying to like trick us. I mean, not true, sorry, not trick us. I think they were. I don't think that they were so clever that they were like, oh, we can put this out and we'll like, we'll play with their minds a little.

I think they're stupid. And I think they put it out not realizing that the average person can check the metadata and say, this is clearly not. Right. Right. John told me that it would be extremely easy to create a body double and exfiltrate him out of that prison cell. And another crazy thing is another guy I know who was a former CIA agent got a hold of, he did a whole show on this with Discovery Channel, I think, where he actually got the blueprints, the public blueprints for that block of the prison, right? And like how it was all laid out with like where all the concrete walls were, where all the doors were, all the plumbing and everything. And then he went somehow like he went super deep and got like the real blueprints or schematics of that prison of the whole prison.

And there's a part of his cell that are not on the public blueprints. So there's like like imagine if you're looking at like this corner of this room right here from like from the end of that wall to like this TV. Imagine it's a square. Yeah. Now imagine Stephen's desk is a wall that goes all the way to the ceiling. that's what the is on the real blueprints. So there's like a cut in, like a corner angle cut in like that

that goes all the way to the ceiling that encroaches into the room. And it's very weird. Like, why is that on one part of the blueprints and not on the official blueprints? This weird cut out in the room. And then the other thing that he did was they built a replica

of what his cell actually was because they had all the photos, they all the dimensions from the blueprints. And between the room of the bunk bed and the wall, it's like, I don't know, maybe three and a half feet, something crazy. And they tried to simulate how they would hang themselves or do what Epstein did to himself with the exact, like they got everything down to a T with the exact clot

that erupt around his neck and everything. And like, okay, if I'm going to do this and it's tied right here, I got this thing around my neck, and how am I going to jump and do this to myself? they couldn't figure out how to do it without like smashing your head into the wall directly in front of the bunk and getting a huge contusion on your head.

But he had no head contusions at all. It was just that neck thing on that autopsy. And this is a guy, this guy, Andy, who did this thing, Andy Bustamante. Two years ago I talked to him, he thought Epstein was absolutely dead. He absolutely killed himself. He believed the narrative. He would argue with me about it.

Like, Danny, you're crazy. He's definitely dead. Why would we lie about this? He wasn't in, now he's on a full 180. Really? Like, this is an Occam's Razor type dude. Everything is Occam's Razor for him. And now that he's actually, like, gone through all the evidence and, like, gone to the work of reconstructing the cell, he's convinced that Epstein was exfiltrated out of there.

So that's fucking insane. Yeah, I don't, I don't, would not be surprised at all, at all. I mean, there are even little things like the fact that we have the pictures of that one body they do have pictures of. And you can see his earloat. Oh, this is crazy. So this is the cutout he's talking about? So this is, yeah, look, so watch this. This is crazy.

Hopefully we don't get, um, fucking, what's it called? Copywritten for this. Hit the, hit the. Conducting my most in-depth investigation yet. Taking you inside a full-scale replica of Jeffrey Epstein's cell. Oh, just like my old home. Where I meet with a former inmate who was Epstein's closest friend inside. I do know the last day.

that I watched Jeffrey Epstein. He really looked depressed. I tracked down an internet sleuth with shocking new details he discovered in cell block footage. They say that that's what that orange blob is. But I can prove to you that is not the case. Then, I'll bring in one of the top podcasters in the country

who reveals another wild theory. If you were to fake his death, you'd get a body double and make sure that everyone could see it, including the press. And we'll meet with a live. leading forensic pathologist to help put all the pieces together. Have I seen multiple fractures in these structures? Yes. Have I seen it in hanging? No. My goal? To answer the question, what really happened to Jeffrey Epstein in the early

morning hours of August 10th, 2019? Dun dun dun. But yeah, you saw a little cutout in the room. Yeah. Crazy man. What the hell was going on there? Yeah. It's it's, it's. Again, I was not a believer in it. Now I am.

Have you met Palm Beach Pete? I have not met him, but I've seen his stuff. My son's obsessed with Palm Beach Pete. He was convinced for a while that Palm Beach Pete is actually Epstein's twin. Because he knows a twin brother. Oh, really? Yeah. Not Mark.

Mark Epstein? How many brothers do you have? He knows more about it than I do. So he does have a brother Mark Epstein, who's done some interviews. And he, you know, he's one of the guys. Like, no, I saw his body. I was there. Right.

And I confirmed. that that was really his body. Right. Is like, do we believe you? Right, right. If that was my brother and I knew he was alive, I would also tell the public that he was really dead. So no one, like it wouldn't.

Yeah, like based on. Right. It's not like he's walking out. Like, I have pictures. Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah.

Did you see the thing that just came out, I think it was a couple days ago about that Norwegian kid who there was a couple of who were, they were Norwegian diplomats that were connected to Epstein. and Epstein gave their children $10 million in his living will. Really? And the kid's 25, him and his twin sister each got $5 million in Epstein's will. And the 25-year-old just killed himself last week.

What? Yeah. That's wild. It's insane, dude. Like, there's a whole article about it, Steve. I send it to you. But it's just, you know, the amount of reach this guy had. And, like, the...

The fact that this makes it in the news makes me wonder how many stories like this, how many people are getting disappeared all around the world that we've never heard of and that we'll never hear of. Oh, absolutely. You know? Yeah. Political Air 25, who has left $5 million to Jeffrey Epstein's will, kills himself just days after the investigation into his parents was launched.

What day was this published? May 1st. Okay. But we don't know why he would leave them this money? There was nothing that explained why. Yeah, I read it. I don't know. I don't think there's any explanation.

as to why he gave her that money. But that's the same amount of money he gave Gailane Maxwell, too. Really? I think he gave her $10 million and Ms. Will. I don't know what's happening with her. Well, and that's, yeah, I was going to say, and the interesting thing about Galeen Maxwell is,

so if there is no Epstein investigation, if the Epstein thing is a whole a hoax, what is she doing in prison? Why is she locked up? Right. You know? Why does the DOJ not cut her a deal or release her or why doesn't Trump pardon her?

Like, if you are Trump saying, this is all a hoax, This is all fake. None of this is real. Why would you let this woman continue to sit in prison? Right. That's a good question. Because she did nothing.

And she seems to be playing ball, right? Like she hasn't given up anything. Like it seems like she's... Oh, that's why she's still alive, I guess. Seems like she really wants to do a deal. But I think she makes the argument, too, that why would you keep me locked up? Cash Patel said in front of Congress, he said under sworn testimony that Jeffrey Epstein did not traffic anyone to anyone. He says nobody was trafficked.

So if Jeffrey Epstein didn't traffic anyone, what is Galane Maxwell doing in prison? And if you're the head of the FBI, wouldn't you make a move to get her released? Because she's in prison for trafficking women. Yes, exactly. And this is where the whole thing just gets so convoluted. So when people like Todd Blanche will sit there and say,

I'm not even sure what we're talking about. Well, I guess we're not, there isn't actually an official position on anything. There's no official position on who Jeffrey Epstein was, what he did, did he commit any crimes, did he traffic anyone, did he abuse anyone? Right. What did Galane Maxwell do? What did Prince Andrew do?

The interesting thing, too, is that the only people who have been arrested are in other countries. So they have been arrested in the UK. They have been arrested in other countries, but not here. They've been forced out of their positions and jobs in these different places, ambassadors and stuff. Nobody here. So we look crazy to the rest of the world. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it's interesting to watch how that terminology,

I don't know that I'm necessarily a fan of it, but the terminology, the Epstein class has become very representative of an entire group of people. I mean, especially in other parts of the world where they really do. They view anyone who's powerful in America as part of the Epstein class,

anyone who's powerful in Western Europe as part of the Epstein class. You know? Yeah, I think Tim Dillon said it best the other day on his one of his podcast, I think his recent podcast, he was explaining this. He was commentating on the whole Trump going to China with all the CEOs. Yeah. It was like 17 CEOs or whatever. And he was, he was kind of joking because he's like, he's like Trump and the White House, they don't want to get in a fight with China.

He's like, you look at his previous posturing towards China during the first term and now all the nice things he said. and how like polite he's being and all this stuff. He's like, they don't, they know better than to get in a fight with China. He goes, the United States used to be the high school quarterback who got the girls and was the bully. Now, the United States is the weird kid

who may have a gun. Exactly where they are. He's like, China is now the high school quarterback. Now our high school quarterback looks like a mixed Asian with a white person. It's not, he's not fully Caucasian anymore. It's so true. It's so true.

We are definitely the weird kid with the gun. Yeah. Very unpredictable. And he's like, don't push him too hard because you don't know what he's going to do. He's like, he's like, we're on a decline and they're trying to manage our decline so we don't lose control. So we don't lose our temper on the way down. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, she mentioned that in one of his speeches, right? And I'll get the term wrong, but it's this concept of, and you might know the term, it's escaping me. Anyways, it's basically the term came out of ancient Greece where, you know, Sparta was on the decline. Athens was on the rise. Yeah. The theory is, is that for any declining power, when they intersect with an emerging power, they ultimately have to go to war at some point. Right.

And so what she was referencing when he was making his speech with Trump there was basically we're trying to avoid this, this paradox that we're trying to avoid, which is where the declining power, the United States, is intersecting with the rising power, which is China. Do we have to, there it is. Yeah. Thucydides trap. Interesting. Yep. Thucydides trap. And that's ultimately what the Chinese are trying to avoid.

By the way, thank God for that. Yes, thank God for that. They don't feel like they need to go to war with us in order to establish themselves. They're like, there's a way for us to continue to rise and for the U.S. to continue to decline without it ever becoming a war. And then, of course, Trump's response to him referring to the U.S. as a declining power was he was talking about Biden. Is that what he was talking about? Oh, my God. Pretty sure he wasn't.

Pretty sure that the Chinese are looking at this war with Iran and they're thinking, well, this would be easier than we thought it would be. Yeah. And now they're meeting with the opposition party in, what is it? Taiwan. Yes. And it seems like it's going to be, it seems like it's possible that when they take Taiwan, it won't be like a military takeover.

It may not be. It may just be a reunification. Right. Yeah. Taiwan seems to be moving in that direction at this point. And listen, if you're Taiwan, why wouldn't you? I mean, if you just watched what happened to the Gulf states that are sitting over there who have been much more important to the United States than Taiwan,

and we just let them get obliterated. We haven't done anything to stop them getting hit. So much so that countries like Qatar and the UAE are like, we're not even going to be a part of OPEC anymore. We're backing out because this is a mess. This is not working. The truth is it's sad, but I think I've told people, I believe that one of the things that this war reveals is what a scam,

the military industrial complex and military contractors have run on this country, right? Where they charge us these ridiculous amounts of money for a single missile, for a single Patriot missile, a thad missile, you know, missile radar detector. The thad radars are what, a billion dollars apiece, and there's seven of them. And now there's like two left because Iran destroyed them. Yeah, with drones that cost, you know, $20,000. Right. Yeah, Shaheed drones are 20 grand.

We have a $600 million radar plane. There's only seven of them in the world. There's now only six because they cut one in half with a drone. You know, and when you look at the economics of that, it's like we are so far behind in terms of what we have in terms of military power. Yeah, look, we still have aircraft carriers more than anybody in the world. We have the largest air force in the world. And we have the second largest air force. The largest air force in the world is the U.S. Air Force.

The second largest Air Force in the world is the U.S. Navy, right? It's incredible. However, drones kind of render some of that useless. Right. You don't have to spend that kind of money on planes when you have swarms of drones every year. Right. So the Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, as we just learned, are way ahead of us in terms of that technology, cheaper. That's why Trump went to, he went to GM and Ford recently.

Yes, all that. that we want you to start manufacturing, right? The first time since World War II. And he's subsidizing them or what? So no official statement has been made about what they would do. I think this was basically Trump poking the contractors because he's like, you're taking too long to create equipment and it's too expensive.

So if you can't do it, we'll find somebody who can, right? So yeah, they would basically do contracts if that were the case. And it would probably be a great thing for American automakers to shift. My guess would be he's talking to them about shifting, drone production, which would make sense. Because what the Russia-Ukraine war did was it showed the world a whole new battlefield. War is completely changed. Completely changed.

And what we've done for the last 40 years is we keep investing in the same antiquated technology that we've always had. So go back to the first Persian Gulf War, right, all the way back in, what, 1991? And we were very proud of the Patriot missiles. here are the Patriots and we were like, oh my gosh, I grew up in El Paso and Fort Bliss was the home of the Patriot missile. Yeah.

And it was like, we have this technology that we can stop anything. Well, at the time, that was true in 1991. In 26, that ain't true. And Iran just proved that, right? What we do is we overwhelm you with missiles and you got to shoot five or six Patriots to hit one. Right.

You know, we send 30, 40 at a time, you're out of luck. You should have out of luck. And that doesn't even take into account things like hypersonics. Right. The Chinese have hypersonics. The Russians have hypersonics. You can't even detect them if they're moving so fast.

So I think this war is a little bit of a wake-up call that we're way behind. Talk about that declining power. And one reason we're declining power is because we have wasted so much treasure, $12 trillion over the past 40 years on these Middle East wars, if not more. And we haven't invested anything here at home. All that money could have been used here. Instead it's used over there and for what. And instead, what other countries have done is they've quietly moved past us in terms of that.

So you better believe that the Chinese are watching, the Russians are watching every single thing that happens in this war. And they're watching response times and how we respond. And even the fact that we have, yeah, we have all these aircraft carriers, but we won't get them anywhere near Iran because we're so afraid of them getting hit. Right, right. So what good is it? And they're slowly developing their soft power. And their economic power, like, what are we going to do with China? They gave us 90% of our pharmaceuticals and our medical supplies.

And they own probably a majority of our debt. And, you know, it's just crazy, man. And now we're talking about invading Cuba or this nine, what was it? Castro's, Castro's brother. What is it? Raul Castro. Raul Castro. He's like 95 years old.

Yeah. So he'll probably be in chains by the time this air. he'll be sitting in a cell in New York. Right. Yeah, that's one thing that that's one thing that people say about this is that like maybe Trump saw what happened to Venezuela, how good and how clean and quick it happened and thought maybe he could do this. And which, you know, I don't think anyone knew.

Everybody, everyone in the know, like the Joint Chiefs and the high level military people around him knew that this was not going to go down like that. And they told him. And they told him. They warned him that, right? It's also important to be said that even though it seems like we are really losing this war, it is pretty impressive the operation that they did to rescue that downed-wizzo and that plane that crashed.

They got shot down there. Like all the shit that they had to do to make that happen, like diverting using the CIA to, they launched apparently like 150 planes, flew them to different parts of Iran to throw them off the trail to where they were going. And then they leaked that story about the murmur, the ghost murmur. which ended up being total bullshit. Right. It was a fake story that was leaked to the New York Post. And then Ratcliffe was like on the podium like bragging about how, oh yeah, we do this.

He didn't actually like confirm the actual ghost murmur. He tried to find a sly way to get around that. But the whole, the story just took off. So I don't believe any of that. You don't leave any of that? Nope. Don't. I don't believe any of it.

So here's what I believe happened. And we've actually reported on this kind of extensively. So this was not an operation to get a downed pilot. It would never happen this way. None of it makes any sense. I've interviewed multiple military guys who have said absolutely not. So for instance, you're not going to send in these, what would they C-130s? So they tried to land.

And then they were too heavy because they were in the mud and they had to leave them behind. So they just blew them up instead. No. So about a week before this happens, there are leaks coming out that Trump was presented with a plan by the Secretary of War and a few generals for how they could go in and they could grab the uranium, the enriched uranium from the Iranians. And so this stuff was already out there. I think the New York Times ran an article on it. There were a couple of others that ran articles on this plan of what it looked like. And the plan included, what they would do is they would fly in, they would have to construct a runway somewhere in the desert,

and then they would land these C-130s, and they had all this equipment that they would bring out, they would blow open the area where this mountain, I guess, area where the uranium was kept underneath, they go in, they would bring it all back out. It was a crazy plan. So much so that when Trump was told about the plan, he said the only thing that we're missing is Schwarzenegger to take off in a helicopter afterwards, right? It's so cinematic and crazy this whole concept. About a week later, all of a sudden, oh, there's this pilot who was downed. It just so happens that we have C-130s in the area.

It just so happens we have these Apaches in the area. And then the story is so crazy about this guy that supposedly this pilot, right, is downed. According to Trump's own words, the guy is bleeding. He hikes five miles and then climbs like... A huge cliff. Yeah, like 7,000 feet or some crazy. crazy number and then hides up there until they're able to extract him.

And then once they extract him because they got all their stuff stuck, they blew it all up and burned it all. It doesn't make sense at all. Right. Doesn't. What I have been told by multiple people is that they were trying to go in and get the enriched uranium. That was the original plan.

They sent in these pilots around the area and they started getting hit. A black hawk. Or it's not actually a black hawk. It's similar to a black hawk. Yeah. But two of them were hit in the air. And then there was another that was hit. One of those fighter jets was hit.

So they were able to get out those guys out of there. But they, again, everybody who was talked to me about it says, this is not the way you would extract. It's way too many people. It's way too complicated. And it's all the wrong equipment. You would not see that stuff in there. But if you're trying to go in and extract the uranium

and you're trying to build a runway in the desert and you're trying to land a giant C-130 because you need to be able to carry the uranium out of there, then that's what you would do. So that's what I think it was. I think it was a disaster. And I will say this. One thing about President Trump is he is very good at spinning anything into a victory.

And I think what they did was they said, look, we're not going to go out there and say, we had a failed mission because that's going to make us look horrible. And it would have. And so instead, they invented a story about this hero. By the way, have you ever seen him? I've never seen them. No.

Never brought about in front of the cameras. Never said, here's the guy, by the way, with the injuries, the guy who climbed this cliff while he was bleeding and put out a beacon that only the CIA could hear and they were able to track him from space. And we haven't seen any of them. We saw all the people who came back from their little trip around the moon. We've seen all those people. But we haven't seen the pilot who was down in Iran. See if you could find out anything about that pilot. I'm curious now because I've never actually searched.

Do we know his name even? Nope. No name. Not that I've seen. That's fucking bizarre. I have not seen this pilot who was down. Where is he? Because you would think this guy would be a national hero.

You'd walk him around and say, this is the face of this great operation that we ran to rescue this guy because we leave no man behind. That was brilliant, by the way. It was a brilliant way to cover the story was we had somebody down and we leave no one behind. And so we went and we got it because even when I'm hearing the story and thinking it's all a lie, I'm still like, go get them guys. Right? Because as an American, you're like, yeah. It fooled me, man. That's pretty wild. And I think, I think, I don't know, just this morning I was reading something that said that the new Supreme Leader is now saying like, fuck you, we're not letting you. We're going to keep all of our uranium, all of our Euris uranium. And we're not going to do. anything.

No. I mean, what can we do? Right. Right. This is how many times is he going to threaten Armageddon? Yeah. This is exactly the problem. Do we have him?

The identities of the pilots and weapons systems officer have not been officially released by the U.S. military or the White House to protect the service members and operational security. The U.S. Central Command has strictly referred to the crew by their mission call signs. pilot was dude 44 alpha and the other guy was dude 44 bravo they made it all up it's it's all fake it's a fucking propaganda story but it was so well done so i still have to be like well done damn it got me yeah yeah i had a guy on just the other day that was telling me the whole story behind it now it was how amazing it was right yeah yeah because the thing is rather than having a great mission they did come up with a great story the story's a great story yeah but the other

problem is too is you're going to tell that story and no one in any kind of establishment media is ever gonna say, this didn't happen. You'd be out of a job in five minutes. You hate America. It's like, I don't hate America. I love America. That's why I don't want us making up stories

and I don't want us going and blowing up other countries and I don't want us faking stuff. It's interesting how you were describing in the beginning of this podcast, how when you're working at the local news stations, they kind of like feed you your stories, you're prepackaged sort of stories that you're gonna,

Anything on a national level. Right. The local stuff, you're still doing like the city council stuff, house fires, car crashes. Got it. Got it, got, got it. So I wonder on the national level how much of that is going on. Like how many stories are getting fed to the national news sources by, I don't know,

the government or whoever else, who would? Well, okay, so the way it works in a lot of newsrooms, right, is first of all, one of the big problems that I have with newsrooms is they already have a authority-centric model, meaning if you get on the local level, there's a murder. The 2006 Chevrolet Equinox awarded the most dependable compact SUV in the U.S. by J.D. Power is designed for your everyday. And with available all-wheel drive, you can handle your to-do list with total confidence. Start your build at Chevrolet.ca. Details at J.D.Power.com. There is a fire. the fire department releases a press release

or the police department releases a press release that is the authority on that story if you're a reporter. Okay. Right? So nobody says, well, maybe this fire wasn't what they said it was,

right? You don't ever say that because the fire department sends you a press release. And what's happened in every single city in the entire country, every fire department has a press person, press secretary now. And 99.9% of the,

the time, they're former TV people, right, who didn't make very good money, got tired of the terrible hours of working in TV, and so they go take one of these jobs working as a press secretary. And so they'll be the spokesperson for the police department, spokesperson of the fire department, but they are authorities on whatever happens. So just a quick story. So when I was working in El Paso, it was one of my first markets. And this is really where I learned to start questioning authority was, so we were, El Paso was right across the river from Juarez, Mexico. Yep. Right. And so that's where I grew up. And I was very fortunate to be on air in my hometown for 10 years.

In 2007, 2008, there was a massive drug war happening in Mexico. Yeah. And it came to Juadus. And when it did, I mean, it was just, it was the most dangerous city in the world at the time. More dangerous than Baghdad. Most dangerous city in the world for journalists. Juarez. Yeah.

Tens of thousands of people being killed, right? Three million people fled the city. I mean, it was, it was insane. how bonkers it was. And then people came back, but it was just, it was totally nuts. And that, there was a claim at the time. So I used to go over every day to Mexico, right? Every morning I get a photographer because nobody wanted to go.

It was way too dangerous. Get a photographer and these guys and we get in the car and we drive across the river. And literally we drive across and there'd be like headless bodies hanging from the overpasses when you drive through. Yeah. Cartels are very creative in the way they kill people. It's all very showy. We would go to look.

You're talking right over the border you're seeing this. Yeah. Like you cross over, you drive the first overpass. You got like dead bodies hanging from it. We went to a field one time where they had killed a guy and cut his face off and sewn it to a soccer ball and thrown it out into a field full of kids playing soccer. Right? It was crazy.

Went to a location where this woman had been butchered and they cut her arms and legs off and her breasts off and scattered them all over this room. It was totally crazy. There was, in the 1990s, there was something called the Wattis Femicides, which was kind of famous. JLo made a movie about it. And the femicides were about 300 women over the course of 10 years just disappeared in Juarez. They would work at these makiladores, which are like these factories. They get on buses and they would go to work in the factories. And then just they wouldn't come home. And so over the, of course, about 10 years, about 300 women just went missing. Their families

never knew what happened to them. There's a lot of questions today, whether it was police who were doing it, whether it was like cartels that were doing it, serial killers. No one really knows. to this day, what happened to them. It was so violent in Juarez at that time that there were 3,000 women who went missing in one year, not in 10 years, in one year, 3,000 women, and nobody had talked about them at all because they were just being disappeared.

There were so many dead bodies in Juadis, they just had mass graves where they would just dig up the ground and just push the bodies in because they couldn't keep them in the morgues. You had like a week to claim a body, and if you didn't, they just created mass graves. So it was wild. And I remember at the time in El Paso, there was a claim that, well, El Paso is the safest city in the country. None of that violence is coming here, right?

So there was a fire one night at a restaurant. It was a huge fire, and this place burns to the ground. And it was so bizarre to me the way it burned. They put out the press release, and I'm meeting with our team, and I'm like, no, there's something wrong with this story. Right? This restaurant just happened to burn down, and like, it just, it's completely gone. and didn't believe it and was working on a story about it, meeting with sources and talking to people about it.

And I finally had one guy from the fire department who met with me. And he said, yeah, you're absolutely right. He said, so what we found when we went in there is they had drilled holes into the concrete on the roof. And they had put like C4 in it and they blew the building up. And that's why it went down like that. And I said, who? And he's like, I can't tell you that part. But we all knew who it was.

and so that was happening in a bunch of different locations, but you were never allowed to report that because the official statement that came from the fire department was it was electrical fire. So there's the cartels that were doing it? Oh, absolutely, yeah. Yeah, because they were making people pay them on the U.S. side of the border too.

Right. Because the cartel guys all live in the U.S. They don't live in Mexico. So they have a saying that you don't make war where you make your home. Right. So their kids, all the cartel guys, kids would go to school in El Paso. Right.

Right. They lived in mansions on the U.S. side. But then they fight the war on the Mexican side, right? So anyways, the point being that it's all authoritative-centric where you just, you go along with whatever this is. Well, if you watch any national news, you'll see like a reporter will be talking about their sources in the Pentagon, right? They all have sources. That's such a counterintuitive statement. Right.

Because the source is just feeding you whatever it is they want you to believe. Yeah. But if you're a reporter for Fox News or for CNN or for ABC and someone from the Pentagon calls you up and says, hey, I'm going to tell you what's going on. We just had a guy who went down and we're going to get him. We're sending all this stuff in them. We're going to pick him up. We're bringing this guy home.

You're like, oh my gosh, I have the scoop. And you run back to your news desk. We got breaking news. This is happening. And you start doing the story. When it's all over with, are you going to turn around and say, by the way, that story was bullshit. Clearly that's not what.

happened, right? No, because then you'd never have a source again. Right. Right. You'd be out of a job. They'd never leak anything to you. But if you're their buddy and you all, you all drink together and you all hang out together, they're going to feed you whatever story fits. So all those sources will bring that stuff down. And then when CNN does it, Fox does it, or whatever, they're sending it down to their local newsrooms. And now they, as the network, are the authoritative source. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, my God. It's so crazy. It's a perfect system for feeding them. the people propaganda. You don't need to just have like fully controlled news stations, like top down.

It's just you make the sources straight out of the government. And not only that, but they also, the people, these former intelligence people or these former Pentagon insiders also get like contracts with those news stations to be like the talking heads that they go to on every topic. Yeah, when people talk about like Operation Mockingbird. Yeah, yeah. You know, where they're like they was program in the 70s and they were. planting journalists.

Yeah, that was absolutely true. You don't need to do it anymore. Because now they sit up there and they put their title. CIA agent or former CIA analyst. You got like John Brennan who was the head of the CIA, right? Who for a long time, I'm not sure he still is, but for a long time he was working at CNN as an analyst, right? The guy you mean who lied to Congress about torture,

the guy who spied on the Senate, members of the U.S. Senate illegally to find out they knew about torture, right? Is now your analysts to talk about these things on air. James Clapper. The guy who wanted karaoke in prison. Yeah, that's right. John Brennan, yeah.

Clapper, yeah, he's another one. Clapper's another one who also lied to Congress about the whole spying program that Edward Snowden revealed. Yeah. Right? When he retired, he went to work at CNN. They're probably getting three, four, five million dollars a year to sit up there and give their opinion, their analysis.

By the way, all these same guys, all the people who signed the Russia collusion All the same people, right? Against Trump. Yeah. Also, like, how does nobody notice that Clapper and these people are the same people who are behind all these UFO stuff? These UFO files. Yep. Like, Clapper now, like, this is his deathbed confession.

He wants to make right with the world. And he wants to tell everyone the truth about UFOs. How the fuck are we supposed to believe this? Well, people do. But the UFO thing is interesting. I'm interested to see what you think about it. What do you believe is happening with the UFO? My God, dude, I don't know.

My opinion changes weekly with this stuff. It is just, it is such a hornet's nest of bullshit. It's so hard to parse through it, man. It really is. I feel like, you know, my gut tells me whatever Clapper and Brennan are attached to that they're telling us, I feel like that's not the truth. Or maybe it's only a small part of the truth, like a limited hangout to get us off the trail of whatever it is. my my like high level view of of the whole thing is a the files that Trump just released was just a distraction

that's just it's nice that it's finally like admitted by the public and admitted by the White House by the government and it's on the White House website and like they finally admit this stuff's real because before we did know about that but people were able to dismiss it and argue against it now you can't really now it's out there but good job on their part of, you know, hanging a shiny object over here to get people distracted. My top level view of all of this stuff is that, like,

I think that we do have shit that was either found in archaeological digs or recovered, and we've been trying to figure out how it works since the 50s. I think that there was an element of physics that we've been working on in the United States physicists in the U.S. have been working on since the 40s and 50s that went underground

and that I think aerospace companies have control of now and I don't even think that they're giving full access to the U.S. military on this stuff. I think they've... Who controls it? I don't... I think it's...

I think it's a combination of like Battelle Memorial Institute, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman. I think they all have a little bit of... Like contractors, contractors control it. Yeah, private contractors control this stuff because they have to keep it secret from FOIA. Right? You can't be able to FOIA this stuff. So that I think that's one of the reasons they keep it locked away and they keep it very compartmentalized. Every every little program, I think, which is probably in various different, underneath various different military contractors is very stove piped to where one person working on metallurgy is not going to see whoever's working on physics and propulsion. And above, of all of that, the people that can see everything that's really happening, I think there's maybe only like a dozen people alive that really know all that stuff. And I think those people are like maybe on the Epstein level or even above the Epstein level as far as like power and control. You know, I think those people are above government powers. Yeah. Those are the people that are really like pulling the strings of the presidents and the politics and the politics.

politicians and you know and I think also if they have some sort of an alternative energy Those people are also invested in like oil and petroleum so they don't want it to get out for multiple reasons Sure they don't want to disrupt other investments and you know if something like this really got out of the bag It could like destabilize the whole entire world economy because if we have like a new zero point energy or some sort of a clean energy that where we won't have to rely on fossil fuels anymore or fucking battery powered electric cars anymore you know a lot of the richest people in the world would no longer be that unless they could figure out

oh, we'd a parlay into that first before it became public. Yeah. But as far as like what the phenomenon is, I don't know, man. A lot of people talk about like extraterrestrials and stuff like that. I don't know if it's that.

I think it might be like some sort of a, the same way there's naked people living in the Amazon right now with Spears, there's people that are like flying around in fucking jets from Paris to New York in like two hours. I think that can also exist. I think at some level we are the people that are throwing around spears in the rainforest. And there's another layer of civilization that could still be here that we just don't interact with or don't see. Maybe they're fucking in the oceans or maybe they're, who knows? Who knows? We don't we don't really, I don't think we're really equipped to comprehend that yet, but I think it's totally

possible. Yeah, I think that's, I think that's possible. I think, first of all, the, what they've released so far, I think they're releasing it in a specific way and a strategic way. So I agree with you. They've released nothing. They've released stuff we've already seen, we already know, right? It's nothing. What I was told is that it's happening in phases and that with each phase, there's going to be more that comes out. And at a certain point, we'll see if it happens, at a certain point that they're going to acknowledge the existence of what they call non-human entities. So they don't call them extraterrestrials. They don't call them interdimensional, but they're calling them non-human entities. And that these non-human entities, they're going to acknowledge

that they are here and they're already among us. And that's what I think members of Congress keep alluding to. So people like Tim Burchett. Yeah. Polina Luna. Yeah. They keep talking about like stuff they've seen. There's a reason they're being allowed to say this. So they're priming the public for the idea that this is coming. Now, Birch had said stuff about like a breeding program. Matt Gates said something about being briefed on a breeding program. I don't know if that's true, not true. What I'm saying is 20 years ago or 30 years ago, if you were a member of Congress and you

went on television and you said, these things exist and we are being briefed on them, you'd be dead. You would not be allowed to do that. The only reason you're doing it now is they're letting you be the ones who are priming the public so that by the time it happened, there is not a shock factor associated with it. To your point, at a certain point, you'd say, oh, they fired a nuke and they got intercepted by a UFO and people were like, okay, and they go back to Fortnite. And it's like, they're just not paying attention.

But if you, if you prepare people by repeating this stuff over and over, you're taking away some of that, some of that shock value. Yeah. You know, and I think, I think that's definitely happening. But I think, I do believe they're going to announce at some point that, you're, you're non-human entities are here. There is a group of people I have been sold who are in high level. They're not actually in government.

They're like advisors to the government who have been pushing this a long time. And they see it as like they believe these are like the old gods. They believe that that's who these these entities are. And so they're pushing towards that. So it's almost like a quasi-religious view of these things. No idea how that will all play out. I just saw something the other day that Trump supposedly is close to announcing the existence of those non-human entities. Well, he doesn't seem interested in this stuff.

Not at all. In the least bit, right? I think Trump thinks he's the highest life form. I think he either, it's possible he is one of them. Exactly. If even if he's not, he'll come out and claim that he is. He'll be telling everyone that actually, I'm one of them. Well, he released that photo.

of himself walking through the private airport or whatever with the fucking alien in handcuffs the other day? Did you see that? Find the truth social post. Trump posted a photo of himself. Obviously, it was AI, I think, or Photoshop of him and his security guards walking with an alien. And I don't know what the caption was.

What's that? It's better than him being Jesus. Right. Yes. Well, I heard there was just, I heard through my primary source of news, Tim Dillon, that, oh, there it is. There it is.

I think he shared this, right? Yeah, Trump shares image with restrained alien figure. I mean, you got to give his team some credit. I mean, they keep it interesting. This is the most interesting administration in history. Yeah, it's definitely good for press. That's for sure. There's not a single dull moment.

Space Force. Tim Dillon was saying, that, I don't know where he got this, but apparently there was a plan in the white, there was a plan for the government to come out and say, A, there is no God, and B, we were engineered by aliens. And then like last minute they scrapped it. Like, that's not a good idea. Let's not do that. Okay. So that's what I was hearing also. Oh, really? Yes. That, that the concept is this, that the Bible is not true. that the whole Jesus is a myth and that these things are the old gods

and that they're the ones who have created all the life on it. And that it's pushed by this group of people who are like they are believers in this, but they are like the foremost ones who are advising on this alien stuff. And that's what this whole disclosure thing. And by the way, it's not a coincidence that Steven Spielberg has a movie called Disclosure Day.

It's coming out any day now. Yeah, it's coming out in June. Yeah. And this movie is timed for a reason. along with all this stuff. That's fishy. That's very fucking fishy. That it's coming out coinciding with all of this stuff.

So what I'm fascinated by is what is that movie? What is the message of that movie? Because once you told that message, I'll be willing to bet you that the official line from the government is very similar to whatever is in this movie. Yes, yes. You nailed that. Also, it doesn't really...

fit with the war narrative because the whole war narrative is being pushed by like religious ideologies right like there were there was the the whistleblowers the military whistleblowers came out there was like seven of them who said that their their commanders were telling them that trump was anointed by christ to bring the second coming of christ or to bring in the messianic age so like yes so if the government is talking out at one side of its mouth saying there's no god we were engineered by aliens and the other side we need to do this war with iran to for to bring back jesus or whatever their excuse is. Well, again, it's a very big government, right?

And in that case, what those commanders were doing wasn't necessarily the line coming down from the White House. This is just their own religious zeal where they view this as like a holy war. Which, again, is pretty crazy because you have to understand there's like five million Christians in Iran. So people don't realize that there's a massive Christian population in Iran that lives and coexist with. So again, if you watch Fox News all day, you would believe that there's no Christians anywhere at all down there. Right. Just like you would believe that the only religious, the only good

religious people in the entire Middle East are in Israel, right? Those are God's people. When in fact, Israel is destroying southern Lebanon, which is the most Christian country left inside of all of the Middle East. Right. You know? Right. They have a Christian president. You're not even allowed to know that if you're watching national news. Their president's actually Christian? Their president is a Christian. Their president is using money from that country, right, which is majority Muslim, to preserve and take care of the Christian heritage sites, like the tomb of Simon Peter, or like the location where the wedding at Cana miracle, where Jesus turns water into wine, that's in southern Lebanon, right? Some of the earliest churches are in southern Lebanon, just like the earliest churches were in Syria. But when Israel goes in there with the U.S. and funds the al-Qaeda and ISIS guys who end up destroying Syria and forcing out Assad, they lay all that waste to all that. Israel has now flattened all these Christian religious sites in southern Lebanon.

They're not there anymore. They completely did away with them. And that's not by accident. That's all by design. But what's so sickening about that is you have all these evangelical pastors in the United States who are just chairing. it on. And it's like, I just, my, my Christian theology does not fit with the idea that Jesus is on the side of the modern state of Israel over Christian people living in Lebanon. Right. That makes no sense at all. And I'm like, please, I defy any pastor, any pastor to stand up

in front of their congregation and explain how that works. How is it that God's like, I'm good with you killing all the Christians who are in these places because Israel. Like what? That makes no sense at all. Is this somehow by design? It's all by design. Is this somehow like a crazy way to just diffuse, defuse the populace by just creating so much chatter and so much noise that there's no way for people to become cohesive on one thing, they come together on one thing. to come together on one thing, right?

So I've become a firm believer that there is, it is all by design, it is just not by the same designers. Meaning there is not a singular objective. Yeah. It is multiple groups with their own objectives who work in parallel to each other because they're getting what they want.

So I don't think the UFO stuff has any tie to what's going on in Iran. No. I actually, my theory is I believe that Israel pushed us into the war with Iran. I think that's pretty clear if you listen to Rubio and you listen to people within the administration. But I don't believe they did it because they wanted to take out Iran. I believe they did it because they wanted southern Lebanon. And so they got the U.S. to go fight a war over there in Iran because it didn't matter if they could win it or not win it.

It didn't matter if you, you know, get rid of the Ayatollah or you replace a Khomeini with a Khomeini. It doesn't matter to them because that wasn't their actual objective. The actual objective was distract over here while this thing's going on and it absorbs all the headlines because within a week of that war starting, they move into southern Lebanon and just like lay waste, flatten the whole thing. You blow up all the bridges in the Latani River, which connects northern and southern Lebanon. And they've completely, they've already started construction. They've already started construction in Lebanon, rebuilding it into now an Israeli settlement as part of greater Israel.

Meanwhile, while the war in Iran's going on, Netanyahu has said multiple times, if there are ground troops, we are not supplying any of them. Right. Right. They're not going to be ground troops because Trump's not going to get stuck in that because, you know, as much as he's gone along with this stuff, he's not going to do that. It's too stupid and it's, it doesn't work. And I just, it's not going to happen. But I don't think that was the point. The point for Netanyahu, the point for the Israelis is they didn't think, yeah, you might weaken Iran some, but.

But the goal is you create this gigantic, gigantic volume of noise because they couldn't just go into Southern Lebanon the way they did Gaza because the whole world's still screaming about Gaza. By the way, the whole world's still screaming about Gaza and not about Southern Lebanon. That's true. Very little conversation about what's happened in Lebanon. So I think that would be one example of like parallel moments of grabbing power. The UFO guys, I think, are their own group who have their own, as I said, religious view that are pushing to see that happen.

And so these different things are happening simultaneously as long as we're all moving in the same direction to get what we ultimately want. I think we saw a lot of that with COVID. With COVID, it wasn't that there was one puppet master pulling the strings that was like the WHO has its own agenda and Bill Gates has his own agenda and Fauci has his own agenda

and these different pharmaceutical companies have their own agenda. And as long as we don't step on each other's profit model, we can all move in the same direction. but everyone's kind of doing their own thing while simultaneously running parallel. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're totally right about that, man.

Where do you think the mind is of Russia in all of this stuff? You and John are both former RT contributors. Yep, absolutely. That probably doesn't mean that you have any kind of insider knowledge or whatever. No, we just create content and give it to them. Right. They run it, yeah. Right.

And John famously defended that amazingly on this podcast. Oh, yeah. We had the debate with him and this other guy, this other CIA guy, who was like, why would you, as a former CIA agent who came to protect this country, you dedicated your life to protecting the United States of America, go work for Russian state media. Yeah. And John said, he fucking put me in prison. Exactly. They put me in prison. He's like, that is exactly why I call out the American government.

Yeah. You know, it's amazing. And they never told him what to say. No, you report on whatever he wanted every single day. Let me tell you, I told you, with Fox and CBS and NBC, I've been in this career for 25 years. I have never had the kind of journalistic freedom as I have had with RT. They do not tell you what to talk about at all. And the funny thing is, in the U.S., there's like such a stigma around it.

But RT is actually like the number one or number two cable channel in most of the the world. Really? Yeah. They serve 800 million people. They have a massive audience. Wow. Yeah. And if you and if you were part of the, the so it's basically the Russian version of CNN. CNN, but no, what was the other, what was the other like state sanctioned American news? Oh, NPR. No. Voice of America. Voice of America. That's what it was. Well, yes, except voice America is terrible. Honestly, it's awful. Yeah.

It really is. You know what I'd say they were closer to is the BBC, which is also state-funded. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. So it's basically the BBC of Russia.

Yeah. Oh, okay. So, you know, and they're all over the world. They have Spanish language. They have Arabic language. They're in China. In fact, I was told that when Trump and his crew were all in China, they were all watching RT because it was the only one in English.

Really? You can watch, yeah. Oh my God. So, yeah, I've worked with him for a long time. Did you do a big documentary on Zelensky or something? Yep. I did. That guy is unbelievable. Unbelievable. We did a, it was a docu-series, 10 parts, looking at how unbelievably corrupt he is. And that was a couple years ago. Like, it's gotten a lot worse. Right. Well, especially as the Epstein stuff came out and you learned all that.

The Epstein stuff, but even just like the day-to-day on the ground there. Like, you know, one thing we didn't really talk about because it wasn't happening at the time. They have no soldiers, right? There's just nobody left to fight this war. And so for the last two years, they have these conscription soldiers who go around Ukraine and they just drag men off the streets and throw them into vans and off they go. And like, you can search this. There's videos of it all over the internet. Never gets any play in our media here. And it doesn't for a reason because we're funding this. We're literally funding the extermination. It's going to sound very like, you know, white nationalist of me. But

The extermination of the white male population in Ukraine. Zelensky, they extended down the age in which you could be recruited. They extended up the age in which you can be recruited. They had special ed kids being dragged and thrown into these things. What? Yeah. You can find these videos where women are trying to fight them off. And there's a guy recently I just saw last week where he's running on his roof trying to get away from them.

They drag him off the roof. They throw them in these vans. They take him. So Zelensky doesn't have any bodies left. So now he's on a tour around Europe. He was just in Germany. And he's demanding because, okay, so when the war starts, people flee, right? Number one country in the world to take Ukrainian refugees.

Take a guess. Number one country in the world to take Ukrainian refugees. America. No. Think geographically. Poland would be number two. Germany? Is number three.

who's number one Russia what? Yeah because when our media refuses to acknowledge is that eastern Ukraine

is ethnically Russian they fly Russian flags they speak Russian right and that eastern part of Ukraine that is the you know

central axis of this the Donbos area yes the Dunbos and Crimea those people have been in a civil war see this is a video

of them just getting these people they go to restaurants they go to nightclubs and they just drag men away Wow. I mean, imagine this happening in the United States.

You were talking to earlier about the draft thing. Yep. I mean, this is what they do. They just come get these guys and they just take them. They put them in a van. They take them to the front lines. It would get real. It would get real for us very quick if they started doing that in America.

Look at this poor guy. Just take them away. I got it didn't even look that young. No, they're not that young. The average age right now of the Ukrainian soldiers is 45 years old. Because they killed off all the young. ones. Right. So now you're like dragging away these older guys. And it's and the crazy thing about this is that Zelensky is now going around Europe because like I said, the majority went into

Russia and then, you know, about half of them and the rest went to Poland and Germany. So now he's going around Europe and he's saying send them back. Like he wants he wants the men, the young men who escaped to be forcibly sent back by other European governments to force them to go fight. A war they cannot win. It's impossible. They have no ability to win this war. But they're like, he's throwing him into a wood chipper. Right.

And he's just getting rid of it. And now he just made a statement the other day that in order to, because they now need workers, in order to replace that population that has died during the war at his hand, he wants to bring up men from Africa, migrant workers from Africa and bring them into Ukraine to replace the population. the population that's been killed off from the war. That's fucking bananas, too. It's crazy. And it's happening like in real time

and no one says a damn thing about it. Right. Now, what is Russia doing though? Like as far as their fighters, I heard they were emptying prisons giving people the option to leave prison to go fight. That may be true. I've not heard that, but I would not be surprised if that were true. I know that Russia has not suffered. So our media has really lied about the Russian losses. and I base that not on anything the Russians say. I base that on the bodies when they're returned. So what they'll do is they do these body swaps

and they do them about a couple times a month and the Russians bring all the dead bodies that are Ukrainian and the Ukrainians bring all the dead bodies that are Russians and then they swap and they take them away to go bury their dead. Oh, wow. And they'll swap 100 Russians for 6,000 Ukrainians, 10,000 Ukrainians. Like the numbers, if you look up the numbers,

And our media does report these numbers. It's just there's no images associated with it. So it doesn't stick in people's head. But if you look at the body swaps, it's not even close. Russians are not losing men the way Ukrainians are losing. And then I will say this, you know, people will say, oh, you're a Putin lover. Putin has conducted this war in a way that other countries would not have. And when I have talked to people who are Russian, not in the government, just Russians,

they'll say the thing is that Putin's been very gentle with Ukraine compared to how he would be with another country. So he's moved very slowly. He has not carpet bombed by any means. They haven't flattened cities. Like if the U.S. were going to war in there, we just carpet bomb everything, right? Look, we did to the Iranians. Like what they did to Gaza.

What they did to Gaza, right? Putin could do that in a minute. But he chooses not to because he also sees Ukrainians as Russians. right again most of them are ethnically russian and speak russian yes 300 years ago Kiev was the capital of russia right so it's we have a very i mean this whole uh concoction of what ukraine looks like and russia looks like this is all a 30 40 year old model this is not this is not the traditional thing right and so he's he's been i think pretty patient in this process of not just running over these people. I heard him say in a speech once that a lot of the homes in some of these Donbos areas

are 300 years old. He's like, those can't be replaced. Like, why are we going to go in there and just blow everything up? Right. Yeah. I mean, it's like if we could imagine Russia was putting fucking bio-weapons labs in Mexico. Right. And, you know, well, me, I don't know, because China's kind of doing shit with Mexico, right? China's kind of like funding the cartels down there. Oh, Absolutely. Giving them precursors for chemicals and for fentanyl and all kinds of stuff. That's like 20 years old. All that.

Oh, they've been doing that for a long time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like all the meth that was coming from coming up from Mexico was all from chemicals in China. Right. Right. Interesting. And we're not, doesn't seem like we're doing shit about that.

No, no, do anything about it. But the difference is that we don't seem to mind when they're just poisoning poor people in America. Right. So you, fentanyl is like, it's so sad. Like you go to. any small town and it's like the entire population is gutted by fentany. Mm-hmm. Our government doesn't care.

But if we thought they were going to release the measles into the country, they'd be freaking out, right? Because it might actually get into their schools and hurt their kids and, you know. Yeah, I just had this dude on the other day who was a game warden, a wildlife game warden in Northern California. And they came across one day, they found one of their streams was driving. up and like, whoa, what the fuck? What's going on with this? Like, this is weird. Usually, in that case,

someone will be, like, diverting water to fill a pool or something like that. So they went up, they found it, and they found the whole thing was diverted with, like, pipes and shit. And they followed it. And there was a cartel operation in the woods of Northern California

doing a giant marijuana cannabis grow out there. And they came, they pulled up on them, like, behind, like, the wood, behind the trees. And they saw these guys patrolling the crops, armed with like AK-47 style guns and shit like that. And they ended up getting in multiple shootouts with the fucking Sinolaa cartel in the woods in Mexico.

And now he's saying they're also in Montana doing this. And they can't get any federal help. It's all like local. And they're like the game wardens are having to go train with like the Navy and shit and learn how to like do, you know, armed combat. Yeah. It's totally nuts. And that's again,

that's been going on for a long time. So 20, 30 years ago, that was going on in New Mexico. So the Heala National Forest, which is down in New Mexico, I remember as a, I was a 22-year-old reporter out there covering stories. And there was a guy telling me, yeah, you got to be careful where you are because if you come on these things, they have these huge marijuana grows in here and they'll kill you, you know. And so you could you imagine, could you imagine if China had some country like doing a cartel operations in their backyard? They'd be wiped off the face. They would never happen. No, it would never happen.

And the thing that's so crazy about it is like, these guys will not be hard to stop. Again, yeah, they have AK-47s. We have National Guard and military who could take them out immediately. Exactly. No problem. And don't tell me that we can't find them because we're surveilling everything all the time. Exactly.

Right. So we could find them if we wanted to, but we don't want to. It's not important to us at all. Yeah. It is so, it's just crazy that this shit is happening. right here in our own backyard. And it's like everyone, every politician, they just want to worry about everything

that's going on overseas and in the Middle East. And everyone here just has to sit back and suffer this shit. It's crazy. It is. And, you know, back to what you were saying about Ukraine, like the whole thing with the bio-weapons labs

that were set up there. And, like, you know, Victoria and Newland has famously been, like, known for, like, being behind all the corruption in Ukraine and trying to use Ukraine as this like, Ukraine's been in this like historic tug of war with the U.S. and Russia. And going back to like the color revolution, the orange revolution and all that stuff and like trying to control the resources.

And apparently they have like trillions of dollars of natural resources there that we want to control and we don't let, I think Lindsey Graham said something like, we get, we need all their resources and we can't let China get those trillions of dollars of minerals. We need to get those trillions of dollars of minerals. Right. And at the same time, at the same time, we have biological labs there, but they aren't for weapons there for defending against biological attacks or something like that. Right. Right. It's like, what's nonsense. How are we supposed to believe all this shit? It's nonsense. So the bio weapons story is interesting. So in 2022, I was one of the first people who covered that story. And I actually found a reporter who two years before that had actually been reporting on it in Ukraine. And she had talked about the first people. fact that there were 30, 40 of these labs that were set up. And one thing that she had mentioned in her

reporting, all the Americans who worked in those labs, because they were Americans who were working in those labs, it wasn't just Ukrainians, every single one of them had diplomatic immunity. Now, if you're just creating stuff where you're like, oh, we're just trying to make sure that, you know, we don't get an outbreak of SARS or polio or something, why would you need diplomatic immunity for that? They all have diplomatic immunity to be able to work there. The other thing is, there were a lot of reports just before 2014. So right before Yanukovych, who was the democratically elected leader that we helped to overthrow, before he was removed, he actually announced an investigation into those

biolabs because there were reports of measle outbreaks, Ebola, a number of different diseases that broke out in the community surrounding those labs. And so people were getting, rightfully, so upset saying, what are they doing in these? things that we're having these weird outbreaks of disease in our communities. Yes. So he ordered an investigation and threatened to expel all of the members of the U.S. who were working in those labs from the country. And it was only a matter of months before that color revolution happened.

I'm not saying it's the only reason, but I believe it was a strong reason for it. And that's never been reported outside of Ukraine. It was reported in Ukraine, but not outside. That's fucking not. student. By the way, also interestingly about biolabs, taking us back to our friend Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. A lot of emails about the bio labs in Ukraine. Emails about... With Epstein? Oh, yeah. So in Ukraine, Epstein is writing about the fact that he had sperm modification experiments going on, human cloning experiments going on. He has emails about this. And he's writing to one of the...

We don't know who it is because they're all redacted. He's writing to someone talking about how his funders who were helping to fund this wanted to be super careful that their names were not included in any emails or any conversations because it was very sensitive work that they were doing. Here's one, yeah. This is the embryo was nine months. Great. Can you zoom in a little bit?

I like implant embryo A-0. Wait nine months. Great ending. Other updates. Proceeding with more mouse testing at my Ukraine lab. Surgery's micro injections. Amateur in Mississippi has been testing human sperm modification. Just fluorescent tagging so far doesn't work for my purposes yet. Amateur in Mississippi has been testing human sperm modifications just fluorescent tagging, for just fluorescent tagging.

for just fluorescent tagging purposes yet. This weekend I'm heading to a something. There's a link there. Biohack the planet. Oh my God, dude. Yeah, DropSight News reported on something related to this where he was actually working with NSA, like hackers to like hack the human genome or something like this

to figure out how to make super babies or whatever. Well, super babies and or there is a lot of conversation in these emails about black, market babies where they wanted to breed and grow babies for black market purposes. So I think he was doing both things. I think I think that he was working to create what he thought were going to be like superhumans through some of this testing. And I think he was also trying to create a supply of babies that could be used for other purposes.

For their occult rituals. Oh, my God, man. Yep. Which is back to what you said earlier. Oh, it comes back. to Epstein somehow. It all. And it's not because Epstein's the center of it.

It's that all these things are going on. And Epstein was very good at his job, which was to insert himself into all these things that were going on. You know what I mean? So he's not the sun that everything's rotating around. He is more like a virus that everywhere he goes, he's trying to inject himself into it.

Yes, that's a great way of putting it. I remember spending like two nights in a row, ripping through all of his emails with Steve Bannon. Because that relationship really intrigued me. I was like, you know, it's so weird that the day Trump fired Bannon in the first term, he literally got in his car and went straight to New York to meet with Epstein, and to film those videos with him as Manhattan town home. And I read probably the first 100 emails that Epstein sent to Bannon,

he was so desperate to be with him. And Bannon was just ducking him at every last turn. Like Epstein would send in the morning and say in Palm Beach, couldn't be in New York these dates or whatever. Let's meet up, whatever. Bannon would send him like, okay, we'll try. And then like the next email would be like, are you in New York?

Are you available to meet? And Bannon would email him six hours later. One word letter, no. And it went on like that for months, maybe almost a year. Yeah. Where Epstein was chasing this guy down. And, you know, Bannon's a interesting character. obviously he's a very intelligent guy.

He's like scary intelligent. Sure. And the people he's around and the things that he says and the things that he do, the things that he does are the things that he say that he says often are they don't match up. And I've always wondered like what's really going on with Bannon. Like where did he come from? And it's really crazy. Like this guy got most of his money from Seinfeld.

Did he? Yeah. How so? He was the guy that put together the Seinfeld deal. Really? He gets checks every month from Seinfeld. I had no idea. It's insane how this guy's connected.

Huh. You know, and you know, one of his most famous sayings is politics is downstream of culture, which he's dead right about. Yeah. And, you know, he's another one that's similar to Epstein where he's everywhere. And, you know, I think it makes the most sense that Epstein was like really worried at the end about trying to revive his public persona. Yes. And he wanted to get Benin there to do that.

But if you watch the video of Bannon and Epstein, Bannon's really like going at him, especially towards the end there. He's not being like playing softball. No. He's not playing nice guy at all. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, do you think you're Satan? And he's like, I have a good mirror.

Yeah. So I don't know. Bannon's a spooky one to me, man. I just don't know much about him other than to say that I agree with the concept that that Bannon understands middle America politics better than anybody in Washington. He understands what people want to hear. He understands their plight. He understands, I mean, he's the only reason Trump got elected in 2016.

The stuff Trump talked about was considered completely, what is it, persona non grata? Like, you could not talk about it. Yeah. You could not talk about things like NAFTA and jobs and immigration. Right. You could not bash the wars. all of that came from Steve Bannon saying this is the position

that you've got to take and it's I think to a lot of people in the political class it was risky or foolish but he knew exactly what he was doing I think that whoever ran the campaign in 2024 went back to that

right they leaned back into it Susie Wiles I guess was the one who who actually ran that campaign yeah 100% man yeah so to me Bannon's an interesting character because again I think he he understands that. I don't think his time at Breitbart was necessarily great after Andrew,

because Andrew was a real one. Andrew Breitbart was, he was something else, man. He was, I don't know much about him. He was, I think, one of the, like, real OG guys who would have been considered the conspiracy guy, but he saw it all. Like, he saw the Clintons for what they were.

He saw the apparatus in D.C. for what it was. and it was out of that Andrew Breitbart that we got Ben Shapiro who obviously has spun out into clear insanity and we had Steve Bannon who ultimately took it over for him but if Andrew Breitbart were not dead

I think that we would have seen a very different Maga would have been different stronger really more of a conscience Charlie Kirk weren't dead Magid would be different. Stronger, more of a conscience.

Like some of those guys who have been like the real, they're not political. They're principled. Are the ones who disappear. The more principled they are, the less likely they are to be able to survive it. Yeah, what is your whole take on the Charlie Kirk thing? That's such a crazy.

That was like a big, no pun intended turning point in like the last year. Oh, for sure. Well, look, I always tell people as a journalist, my job is the what, not the why, right? I can't always tell you why, but I can tell you what. And I can tell you that, first of all, with Charlie Kirk alive, there would be no war with Iran because he stopped it the first time. It was supposed to have happened last year when Trump did the Operation Midnight Hammer and just ended up just blowing up the nuclear facility that was empty. They used the mother of all bombs, right? The bunker busters.

Yeah. Charlie Kirk went to the White House, sat with Trump and said, don't do this. Like, this is a mistake. You'll lose your base. You'll lose these people. After Charlie Kirk is no longer around, all of a sudden, we're stuck in a war with a run. Thomas Massey was Charlie Kirk's favorite congressman. Has the highest...

Was he really? Yeah. I mean, these are Charlie Kirk's words on air. My favorite congressman, right? because he is the most principled, most conservative, sticks with the Constitution. Turning Point USA has something called the Turning Point Action Score, and it's based on your voting record

and how conservative and how aligned with the Constitution you are. Thomas Massey has the highest score of all time among any member of Congress on that turning point action score. But without Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA refused to endorse Thomas Massey this year. Oh. Yeah. Even though he still holds their highest action score.

And as someone rightly pointed out, so what's the point? What's the point of having a score at all? If the guy who has the highest score of what you say is valuable as a congressman, you then say, well, we're not going to endorse you because the president doesn't like you so we don't like you. Right. Right. Right. And so I can tell you about those whats.

Yeah. As far as the actual Charlie Kirk's death, I can tell you that the Tyler Robinson story makes no sense. Yeah. There's no way Tyler Robinson is the guy who shot him. It's just, it's ridiculous. There's so much stuff that gets glossed over. Like when the shooting happens. I haven't heard that name in so long.

Tyler Robinson? Yeah. Yeah. Like remember the day that it happens, there's some older man who stands up and puts his hands up. It was me. It was whatever happened to that guy. Oh, he was confused. Wasn't he also at some other crazy event?

I think he was. I think he was at, was at 9-11? he was at some other crazy big event like that some big some big like mass death event huh it might have been 9-11 might have been I don't know for sure I just know this guy gets glossed over

like that was nothing he was some guy who was confused he was confused that he thought he killed Charlie Kirk like that's not confusion that's distraction right what was this Tyler Robinson climbing up on a roof first of all the shot they have of them which they AI enhanced which is I mean And that alone, if you're a defense attorney, like anything that's AI enhanced should be thrown out.

What shot was AI enhanced? So the original shot of him walking up to the building in his, that t-shirt and everything, when they had the original picture and then the AI enhanced it. The AI enhancement does not look like the original picture. Really? Yeah. It's like the face is different. Pull that up.

Pull it up. The original photo of Tyler Robinson compared to. Going into the building. Going into the building. And if you look at the AI version of it, his face is different. Really? Yeah. It's not like dramatically.

But it's different enough that you'd say, how do you know that's the same person? Right. Also, then you claim once he got up on the roof, he changed his clothes. Right. So the clothes he's wearing when he walks into the building is not the clothes he's wearing when he's on the roof.

So what was the point of showing us the picture of him walking into the building? Then you claim that he was walking in without a gun because he had a hidden on him and he assembled the gun. Right. And then disassembled it back in his backpack after? And then climbed off the roof and then ran into the woods and reassembled it and left it there.

Like, what? And then the last thing that's the most interesting, interesting thing to me is I don't know if you've seen this and we should pull this up too. Apparently, apparently, uh, the, remember he writes this message to some, some group online or like a Facebook group or something? Yeah, yeah. He's like, hey guys, it's me, Tyler. I'm the one who did and I killed. Apparently this message is sent after he's in custody. Really? Yeah. So you should pull that up too because it was on some sort of like private forum or something or discord. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So is this the photo we're talking about?

So this is the photo. So there's two versions of it, right? And there's a version of him when he's walking up the stairs. Walking up the stairs in. And then the one that the FBI used when they said they found him had been AI enhanced. So his face was different. Stephen, Stephen, when you type this in Google, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. AI enhanced versus. Oh, yeah, there go. See, like those two pictures. Holy what? Click on that, click on that, click visit underneath that ex post. I want to see what they say about this. This is why you shouldn't pass an AI enhanced version of a low-resolution photo.

None of the AI generated versions of this look like Tyler Robinson. You would have slowed down the efforts of finding him because we'd be looking for the wrong guy. Okay, now click on. Whoa. So that's the original one. Right. It's like five-bit. compared to these other ones.

Correct. Now go to his actual photo. Okay. Also, the FBI has claimed that Tyler Robinson's family was the ones who turned him in. They convinced him, remember, to turn himself in. His family, I know two reporters who have talked with the family extensively who say, the family says, none of that is true. Really?

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did not. So, I mean, there's a lot wrong with the story. Yeah. And obviously, you know, you've seen the videos, I don't know what's true or not, the guy who tugs his arm. And there's a lot of claims about like a hidden gun in the hand. And I don't know any of that's true. The microphone was an explosive thing or something like that. Which, you know, isn't hard to believe when you can make a pager blow up. Not hard to believe at all. Also saw something, and I don't know how true it is, but I also saw something when the Pakistan negotiations, you know, negotiations were taking place. Yeah.

And Vance and his team were there. Somebody posted on X and said, don't know who it is, but seven of the nine mobile devices that were at the Charlie Kirk, the day Charlie Kirk died, that were at that location, are right now registering in Pakistan.

I saw that. I don't know. I don't even know how they would know that. But I thought it was very interesting. And then there's a bunch of other things too, right? Remember there's some kind of a private plane that takes off shortly afterwards. Yeah, the Egyptian plane stuff. Yeah.

I mean, there's just a lot wrong with the story. And I think we're living in a moment. The problem is there's too many threads. There's too many threads. You can get lost. And it's intentional. Yeah. Right?

So I've told people for a long time, disinformation, real disinformation, right, is not the person who's putting out the wrong theory. There is a concerted tactical effort that's made online. And this has been going on for, over 10 years where when people start to get close to something, a particular story will be flooded with information that's really bad. And it's crazier and crazier and crazier. That's another great man in quote.

He says exactly what you're saying. He said, you flood the zone. Then you don't know what's true and not true. And people become exhausted at trying to parse what is true and not true. Just like you said with the Epstein stuff earlier. So what happens? So you get exhausted by it so you say, don't even want to talk about it.

People just disengage. It's too much work. There's too many threads to follow. It's too much work to actually, if you really want to find the truth, to actually go fucking dig up every source and really interrogate this story, like down to the root of it.

You're right. It's so exhausting. Especially in today's day and age where this just constant fucking, we're getting battered over the head with new shit every single second. So then the other way you deal with it is you just say,

whatever the authority says. is what it turns into. So they accomplish their same goal, which is we can't defeat the internet, but if we flood the zone, if we make it so confusing that people can't even deal with it, then they just say, you know what?

The truth can be out there. Oh, it is. No one's going to be able to pick that needle out of the haystack. How do you find it? So in the case of Tyler Robinson, I think now what's a little bit different for him is, so you have a trial. So let's see what kind of

comes out in the trial or is the jury pool already so tainted and believing that it was you that there's nothing that's going to change their mind who knows i have no idea who is lawyers i don't know how good he is uh but i feel like look the fact that that that jo kent who was the um counterterrorism counterterrorism domestically right uh said that he would testify at that trial is a big deal and of course he was demonized for it how dare you want to help he's like i do he wanted to help that and he said on an interview, I think with Tucker was he said that they waved him off. They said, we don't want you your help with this. Because he wanted to know, he wanted to investigate whether or not the Israelis had any role in it.

Yes. And they said, nope, FBI shut it down. I don't even know how the FBI has the authority to shut it down. I think he said for it. He didn't even say Israeli. He didn't say Israel. He said for him. But that's what he was looking at.

He's very, he's been very measured and very balanced about this stuff. He is. He is. and I don't think he's like, you know, there's a Jew under every rock. I don't think he's not that guy at all. Right, no. But I do think that, look, if there's a foreign power

that is going to kill Charlie Kirk, that's where you would start. That's definitely where he would start. Not Iran. First of all, they're very good at killing people, right? Let's give Mossad credit. They're good at killing people. Yeah.

I mean, the pager thing, pretty brilliant. They make everyone's pagers explode. Five years and then you've had a fucking civilization I'm aware of. It's good stuff, man. If that's what you do for, for a living, which is what they do for a living? Yeah, they're very good at it. But also, you have to be in an environment where everyone's complicit, right? So you have to have the feds who are complicit in it. They're not going to make noise. You have to have a media that's complicit in

it. So if you said the Russians killed Charlie Kirk and there was any evidence, you don't think, you think they would have blocked his investigation? No way. They'd say, go get him, Joe, go get him. If you can prove that Putin's hiding behind the thing and he's like, detonate. And like, yeah, you know, be all about that. They love that. If they thought that she was back there and he's like, take him out. Absolutely. The only reason they got upset was because everyone knows who is the most likely suspect. Doesn't mean they did it, but who's the most likely suspect. Yes. Because Charlie Kirk didn't have an issue with those other countries, but you sure had an issue with Israel. Now what about the Butler shooting? Yeah. That one's another one. That's just like that.

Crazy. Never heard another thing about that. And you never heard anything about this guy at all. No. And then Tucker put out a documentary, like a 30-minute thing on his YouTube channel where the government was originally saying there's nothing on this guy. This guy has no online footprint, nothing. And Tucker found all this stuff of this guy posting videos on these private forums, asking questions about shooting guns and shit. Lots of shit with this guy online. That was never talked about once. And we never got any answers. Remember that the day it happened, they also claimed that he had a van full of explosives. And they're like, what happened to that van? Because that was part of the original reporting on it. So were they wrong? Was it not explosives? No one ever explained like what happened to this. Was that supposed to go off?

No one ever explained what happened to the guy who was on the other water tower. So he was up on a roof, but there was someone up on a water tower. Is that proven there was a guy on the water tower? I heard that. I heard that too. Oh, there is? Yeah. I mean, he's very small little figure up there.

But here's the other thing. Thomas Crooks, the guy who takes the fall for it all. Right. There's no question he has a gun. The part of that story that never made sense that we reported on was why was it he was up there for three minutes with people pointing at him? Right. Saying that guy's crawling on the roof with a rival and the president's still on stage. Yeah. Makes no sense at all. Yeah. But here's the craziest part of it to me that Thomas Crooks also the other guy who was hiding in the bushes outside of Mar-a-Lago. Both those guys were in Black Rock promotional videos. And the guy who just did the White House correspondence thing was featured in some ABC News report as a little scientist who invented a stopper for a wheelchair. I saw that, bro. They're all in media stuff. That's not a coincidence.

They're all MK Ultra, bro. They're all MK Ultra Manchurian candidates. And they're specifically picked the people with the crazy public backgrounds that went as soon as it comes. out people start digging, they're going to lose their fucking minds. Right. It's not coincidental. There's no way. Like, there's no way they're both in Black Rock videos.

And the other guys like, you know, oh, I'm going to, I'm going to be a scientist. And he's on TV, like, showing his little inventions. And then it's like two years later, he's running through the, the Hilton with a rifle. That he also assembled in a closet, by the way, because what is this with these guys who were assembling guns in closets? Right. Right. And the whole thing with the, um, the mental.

guy being like right there on camera with Trump and Monty when the whole thing happens. It's like you can't write a better script. Well, and the fact that everyone's like, oh my gosh, the guy wasn't even on the same floor. Oh, really? No. He's a floor above them. So he's not even on the floor that they're on. So then afterwards when everyone's like, oh my gosh, we almost lost him again.

We really didn't. He didn't even get close to that. Oh, and by the way, AI enhancement in that video also when he's running down the hall with the gun because when Benny Johnson and some of those guys were reposted the video, everybody has like white squares on them yeah because it's an AI video because the AI is adding these these elements there's a secret service guy who has a white square on them and the and the guy that was the camera system that does that no no it's it's the AI that was doing it was adding things because then like it disappears like a like a white square following them as they go it's a white

square that disappears off of him and then it goes to the other guy oh it looks like he's running with like this thing and then it disappears out of his hands and then it and then it pops up on somebody else Yeah. But it was because they enhanced it. So stop enhancing it. First of all, here's what I don't get it. Why do we have such shitty video for all these people? When your ring doorbell is like 4K, 6K.

I know, right? And then we see this video and it's like, you can't even make out who's who. This reminds me, this reminds me, we're fucking like rapid fire right now. I love it. The missing scientist thing, the big general, that fucking top level general that we're missing. How does that motherfucker not have a ring doorbell? Right. Like my 90-year-old grandma has a ring doorbell.

You're telling me a top-level five-star military general doesn't have a ring doorbell? Well, okay. So we also have been reporting on this thing, on the missing scientists. There's like 13 of them now, right? 14. A lot of them aren't connected. Amy Eskridge. That was years ago.

Yeah, it was years ago. But I don't know that she's not connected. The Amy Eskroo thing is interesting because I think she was more involved in the UFO. thing because she's talking about like being tormented and harassed and stuff, which from some of the people I've talked to about what this disclosure that's coming is, that's very much a part of that stuff. What's more interesting to me are the number of people who are working at Los Alamos in New Mexico, because that's like half of them were working at Los Alamos. And they all just walked off. Yeah. One lady brought her haird dryer with her.

Yeah. They just disappear in the middle of the night and they're gone. Like, what is that? So are they being rounded up? They may not be dead at all. They may all be sitting in someplace working on this stuff. Bro, I had this guy on the podcast yesterday who was a former scientist for NSA and the CIA. In fact, fun fact, he actually met Carl Sagan in NSA headquarters.

He said Sagan had a contractor badge on it. Oh, my gosh. So he was telling me that when he started working for the NSA doing science shit, he was doing some sort of experiment to put a probe in Venus with Russia in conjunction with Russia to like measure the atmosphere and Venus and all this stuff. They made him sign this incredible NDA. Like the NDAs, they make these people sign that get like top secret access to shit

are so crazy to where they even tell you if you violate any of these things in this NDA or if you become mentally, because you have so much top secret information in your head, if you start to become mentally unstable, or if you start to, get dementia or any sort of like psychological mental illness, we start to detect this, you're literally signing off that the government may take any sanction necessary to get rid of you.

So you're signing off that you're allowing the government to take your life or you are, you have the two options. We're going to take your life or you have to walk away from your public life. Really? So yes. And he says this general would have been. absolutely had to have signed off on one of these things because he had access to the tippy top programs that were like the spookiest UFO. Like the tip of the spear when it comes to secret

black budget technology, this guy had access to all of it. Wow. So he said it's like very, very likely that this guy was willing to protect his wife and his family to just walk away from his entire life. And that's why he probably took his gun and there's no footage of him on a ring doorbell. He probably just like self, self-kidnapped in some way. Because- So did the, does that mean that they hold you someplace? Or do you- I have no idea what it means. But like, but all I know is what he said, he was, he knows for a fact that the, that those crazy NDAs that make you sign when you get access to that stuff, you're, you're signing away your, your right to be taken by the government or be murdered by the government.

So why make you sign that? What's the point of signing that? Like, just kill him. Right. Why would you sign an agreement to be like, yes, you can kill me so they're going to hold up in a court of law? Right. I know, right? Yeah, I don't know.

That's so weird. I don't know why. Yeah, they might as well just do it because they're going to get away with it anyways, right? Yeah, they're going to say, he was depressed. Yeah, we whacked him, but he saw, look at this piece of paper he signed. Technically, it's not a crime. Right. Which maybe that's the point of it.

And if he listened to the 911 call with his wife. Yeah. she sounds extremely calm. She does not sound like a woman who just like who's afraid that her husband is missing and he's not like, and she's worried. She does not sound worried. She sounds extremely calm. She doesn't sound panicked at all. And she sounds very measured, very measured temperament.

So. Yeah. Also a mystery. What happened to Samantha Guthrie's mom? I don't know, but I couldn't get that off my TV for a month. I'm like, you have. And, Vos and Iran and all this stuff. And by the way, where is this old lady?

What the fuck happened? Did they ever figure it out? No. Oh, no. She's like vanished. And that's another thing. Like they have like one shot of like a weird face in the ring doorbell. And it's like we're the most surveilled nation in the world, right?

There's cameras everywhere. You're telling me you don't have a single shot of like this person other than like this close to their eyeball right next to the ring doorbell. Right. It's so weird. And then did you see? when she read the statement on air, and I can't think of the movie. There's a movie that basically where this person's loved one is kidnapped.

It's not the movie Ransom, but it's similar to that, where there's this loved one is kidnapped, and the script she reads on air is almost identical. Really? Yeah. See if you can find that. Savannah. It's Savannah Guthrie's mom who's missing.

So Savannah Guthrie read this on air? She read this on air. And it was almost word for word the same as what was in this movie. Type in Savannah Guthrie public speech connection to movie. Oh, here it is. Viewers and internet sleuths noted that her exact phrasing, Nancy is in full of kindness and knowledge. Talk to her and you'll see.

Was eerily similar to timeline from the 991 movie, Signs of the Lambs? Oh, wow. Senator goes on television to beg for her abducted daughters for Lisa. Catherine's very generic. I talk to her and you'll see. See, stuff like that.

Now, that's the, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm a conspiracy realist, I guess, because a lot of the stuff I report on ends up becoming true. Yeah. But that makes me a conspiracy theorist when I see stuff like that. Because I'm like, there's a part of me that thinks you're planting like weird stuff all around us like to make, they're like breadcrumbs to take you in all these weird directions.

It feels like. I'm not saying that, you know, maybe she just happened to have watched Silence and Lams at some point. I have this great idea of something I'm going to say. But it's just, it's so weird to do that. I think I found a clip that shows. Oh, is it side by side? Give it to me. Full of kindness and knowledge.

Talk to her and you'll see. Catherine is very gentle and kind. Talk to her and you'll see. kind of close not exactly not exactly actually actually the actress and silence of the lambs was more convincing he actually was the way that samantha's smiling at the end is so bizarre oh god this bro this has been super fun man thank you for doing this really enjoyed this has been awesome so tell me more about this documentary you're working on when is how much work have you done on it when you plan on dropping it and where do you plan on drop well we're hoping for an actual theatrical release for it is what

working on if not streaming. But we're hoping by this fall, it'll be ready to go. I can't wait to see this, bro. Thank you, man. We'll have to do it again when you get that movie released. Absolutely. Absolutely. Awesome.

Where else can people find your work? So you can find me on X and Instagram. It's at Ben Swan, B-E-N-S-W-A-N-N-U-N-U-U-S-W-Skore. And then we're just getting back on you. I was banned from YouTube for like the last 10 years. What? For the Pizigate-Gate shit? No, I was actually banned over COVID.

Oh, we got in a lot of trouble during COVID, too. COVID was not good for me with YouTube. But we're finally back on, so we're rebuilding that channel. We had a couple million people. Now we're down to, like, we're starting with 15,000. So you can find me there. It's under the Bin Swan on YouTube. Awesome.

Check those out. We'll link it all below, brother. Thanks again. Thank you. Tonight, everybody.