Danny Jones Podcast - #405 - Epstein, Atlantis & Ark of the Covenant | Dan Richards

Episode Date: June 15, 2026

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Dan Richards (@DeDunking) is an independent researcher who examines ancient lost civilizations and alternative history. We discuss Peru's alien mummies, lost city of Atlantis, the true function of the great pyramid & much more. SPONSORS https://takeultra.com - Use code DANNY for 15% off. https://www.liquid-iv.com - Use code DANNY for 20% off. https://ethos.com/danny - Get your free quote at ETHOS today. https://Incogni.com/danny - Use code DANNY to save 60% on an annual plan. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS Dan's YouTube Channel:  @DeDunking FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - The argument for pseudo-archaeology 06:25 - How science progresses 13:40 - The two universes of truth 17:52 - What Carl Sagan knew about aliens 22:50 - Epstein & the satanic overlords 28:02 - Epstein files = UFO files 32:53 - New Egyptian vase study 40:21 - John Hoopes & Atlantis 41:59 - Serappeum 45:42 - Flint Dibble's debate with Graham Hancock 49:15 - Consensus age of the pyramids is wrong 57:57 - The problem with public debates 01:01:42 - The origins of archaeolgy are NOT scientific 01:08:07 - The electric pyramid hypothesis 01:13:35 - The cocaine mummies 01:19:16 - Land of Chem's pyramid hypothesis 01:23:03 - The Biondi pyramid scans 01:28:47 - Why they're not excavating Gobekli Tepe 01:33:50 - The tridactyl "alien mummies" in Peru 01:40:17 - Egypt's underground labyrinth 01:49:12 - The true age of the pyramids 01:52:49 - Dan's theory on pyramid function 01:59:23 - Cup of Bes contained bodily fluids 02:04:46 - The Ark of the Covenant 02:16:04 - The Baghdad Battery 02:22:26 - Intelligent life may have come from Mars 02:29:38 - The cover-up of elongated skulls 02:38:40 - Atlantis' connection to Easter Island 02:50:24 - Researchers successfully simulate a brain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Good morning, Dan. This is the earliest podcast I think I've ever done. Really? Yeah. That's early for me too, man. I was drinking a little bit late last night. Were you really? Oh, man, you're partying down there in Sarasota.

I was down and- Getting naughty down there. Something that starts with a bee. It's a little poorer area about, heck, I don't know. A poor area? A poorer area. Still, it was really nice.

Brennerton. Braidenton. That's the one. Bradenton. That's not a poor area. There's a lot of very expensive homes down there. was a lot poorer than Sarasota. Yeah, it's not often we get to see a Sasquatch taint roaming around Florida.

Yes, that's what Dave calls me. And that's fine. I'll go with that. Whatever, I'm from Washington. Represent. That's so funny, man. Yeah, we were talking earlier about that podcast out there with that dude, Dave. Because like we were talking about before the show, the whole rift between the ancient archaeology skeptics and the promoters of ancient archaeology.

or like the gaps in our knowledge of this precision stuff or the pyramids or the serapium, all of the all of the mysteries of the ancient world. It's like, it's so crazy to me how these people will fight so viciously against each other on the internet about shit that was happening thousands of years ago. Like it matters today.

Like it really matters that much. Like it's fun, it's fun, it's interesting, it's entertaining. And you know, like you said with this lady with the crystal skulls, like why kick the tires on it, right? If it gets more people, into it, what's the harm? Even beyond that, the carbon dating that was done on the Giza Plateau, we've had two expeditions go. One was financed by the Edgar Casey Foundation, the other was financed by David Koch.

And Zahi Hawass and Mark Lennar were the boots on the ground on these things. So this is pseudoscientists and scientists, if you want to call it that, holding hands and singing kumbaya and getting real data. So traditionally this has worked, right? This has been, this is always the way we've done things. But it just recently, you know, when Farina was on here, he said it really, he really illustrated the problem when he was like, ah, most people can't tell a difference between different sciences. They just think all scientists are boneheads. And it's like, dude, that's, that's really reductive and really assuming that the masses are stupid as hell. Most people can tell the difference between, you know, archaeology and physics, for example. And they try to blame, they try to make it a more overarching thing so they can attack. So they don't feel bad when they argue with us about big rocks, which is what it really comes down to. So they'll, oh, it's racist. Or, oh, this is why people were rejecting the jab.

Or, oh, this is why people are questioning other fields of science. It's like, no, this specific thing right here. Let's deal with this. Well, Dave found a lane, right, to create, to exist in where he can use people like Graham and Ben and Jimmy and you to basically like. Like, you guys are his ammo for what he does. And he is just going completely against the grain on everything you guys do. And like what I said to him when he was in here is my biggest gripe with what he does is that he looks to the government and the ivory towers of science as his North Star. Yeah.

And that is the exact opposite of what journalism actually is. Yes, that was a really good thing for you to point out on him. But he didn't really have a good answer for that. It's, you know, he kept circling back to this whole, well, these guys are right and these guys are wrong. Like when you asked him, well, what would happen if people demonetized you for what you're saying? Well, that would just be truth being destroyed. It's like, dude, hubris much? And come on, man, how arrogant can you be?

What I say is factual? And what other people say that they believe's factual is just BS. And then there's the fact that Dave doesn't properly portray the information. I mean, the guys like him, honestly, are the grifters because they've, you know, when Graham Hancock comes out and says, you know. Everyone's a grifter at some level, bro. At some level. I want to argue with that. I can't argue with that. But they sell a fake bill of goods. They say we're selling the truth. We're selling facts. We're debunking these things. And then I don't watch all of his content, but I can tell you 100% on me. He got like everything wrong. Like all the way from what my

beliefs are to what I started my channel, to my personal life, to my professional, what I worked as an electrician. He claimed that I was, said that I went around saying I was a union electrician. I never said that. local scabb 401 buddy I was not never union but he goes and says just it gets everything wrong what would be bad about you saying you were union they if you go some in certain areas it's um is it frowned upon well to a claim your union when you're not yeah it's not i mean it's not like false valor with soldiers but it's the kind of thing it's the kind of thing you're not going to be smiled it's like that on movie sets all the union guys like the if you're non-union and you're like encroaching on them or if you're in some different union and you like you you pick up a still

camera for the still camera guy when he's in the like the photography union like they'll fucking throw fit they'll write you up the teamsters are the coolest of the unions yeah i think um all the unions i think started from a good for the most part started from a good place but like any activist um once you've achieved your goal and you've got your grift going um you know what do you do now you have to kick the kick the can down the curb so with with uh like with gay rights is the one i use because it's the easiest to illustrate after obama past gay marriage funding went down you didn't hear about it as much but if you're a dude that was like promoting gay rights you need to find another candy kick otherwise your paycheck dries up so this is where we get you know all kinds of

just kind of goofy slacktivism or what i want to call it where it's just kind of bullshit Air conditioning is sexist is one of my favorites. Slackivists are in my term I have used for people online that think that they're doing something by retweeting a hashtag or posting a meme or some such shit. Nobody cares, right? Yeah, just trying to get more attention on the fact that they're being loud about some sort of issue or whatever it is. Exactly. Calling people homophobics and whatever it is. I'm not homophobic.

I'm homo bored. I hang out with them at the bar all the time. Right, exactly. They're great. They're fine. I don't need to pound your chest about it. So accurate. No, it's funny.

Like what I say that these guys are grifting. Like my positions on a lot of the pyramids and stuff is way different than Graham Hancock's, for example, or Jimmy Corsetti's. And I get along with these guys fine. You know, we were talking about Carolyn, the woman with the crystal skull. And like I was telling you, she said that, you know, you're the first self-professed skeptic. I've let me in the same room with this thing.

She's dealt with the people that throw slings and arrows. And, you know, like we were saying, she's not doing anything that's hurting anybody. She's, she's, I think this is an important thing for a lot of the debunkers to wrap their head around. There's a certain cross-section of humanity that's just not going to go with science. They're going to have faith in something. And this is, you can't change this. This is a genetic thing, in my opinion. And by attacking these people, all you do is polarize them.

If I get up and push you, you're going to push me back. This is no brain or shit. But as an influencer, you'll get this one. If I make something that all my constituents, all my followers click on, I make good money. But if I make something that all my haters click on too, I eat, and now the country might get torn in half, but who gives the fuck? And that's exactly true. And on top of that, the way these algorithms work is they want you to produce content that is

in the same line and write on brain with all the other content that gets the most amount of views. They incentivize you to do that. So it's easier for the algorithm to determine what audience to send it to so they can make more advertising money. And the downstream effect of that is you get people like Dave, you get podcasters that will just like find something that works and they'll just keep hammering that as long as they possibly can because that does make the most money. And that does get them the most attention. It's really hard to go the other way on stuff, especially if you rely on social media. for your income. Oh yeah. Yeah. And like and like and entertain ideas that are completely

counterintuitive to what your audience is accustomed to or what you're accustomed to exploring, you know? Yeah. I'm sure you get all the time unsubscribe because you had Billy Carson on or unsubscribe because no, Billy Carson. My my fans love Billy Carson. I had a lot of my fans liked to the fact that I had it that I was talking to him with some people were like, oh no, you can't I can't believe you had him on there. Well, he lost his luster after the West Huff thing. Exactly. Yeah.

But, you know, I do, I mean, I do, he was in Sedona. We were doing the Quest for Ancient Civilizations Conference. And we're going to be doing that again in Austin this October. But, you know, he was one of the speakers that's there. And so here's the thing. There's people. I disagree with lots of people in the world. I disagreed with Carolyn about her crystal skull.

But she let me in the room because I'm not a dick about it. I didn't call her Sasquatch taint. I didn't call retarded. I didn't say that she's stupid and doesn't know anything. Yeah, that's that place in the middle there that we, that's where I saw the skull. And that's, that is a, the, no, they, sorry, the, it's like she's sitting next to a dude. But anyway, this guy had a whole big sweat lodge built out of stone, but he was an electrician, which is what I used to do.

And he had it all quartz crystals and copper and, and, uh, pise, water running above. so you get a paizoelectric effect, and you could actually feel it. These little copper plates you could touch and touch the ball, and it's not a lot, but you could feel a little spark. And so that's, you know, that's new age meeting science

and why I'm not a new age type of person. I mean, here's the thing. Anybody who's doing honest research, who's being honest with themselves, they can be wrong as fuck about where they're going, about where they're coming from, and still give us good data. The guy that determined that

the Norse beat Columbus, of the Americas was Carl Christian Raffin and he was an anthropologist like 150 years ago. And he believed the whole reason he got started on the Norse being the first ones here was every time he saw a rock with the glyph on it, he was like, man, I don't see how those dumb Indians could have carved this glyph. So he just must be Norse, must be Norse. But that wrong-ass line of thinking eventually led him to reading the papers and he was the one that discovered that Erica DeRead made it over here first.

So his honest research, even when he was wrong, got him somewhere. And that's, I think that's important, like where Dave was, he's, you know, Dave had his way and all the podcasters did what he was saying, well, you need to change the podcast space and make it all, science wouldn't advance. Scientists would be, as he said, they don't like conflict for the most part. They would argue with their friends, but Dave's going to come out there, any one of them that goes against the status quo. He's going to be, yeah, you're an idiot, you're a bonehead, you're a moron, you're stupid. He believes that he's combating the toxicity of the people. people on the other side, which this is true, that people can be toxic on both sides on social media.

But to your point that you were just making before that, sorry, the way I get really interested and learn about stuff and become like a mediocre level expert on certain things is by hearing the crazy over the top claims and speculations about stuff, like, you know, hypothetical example, the pyramid was a fucking power plant. Like if I see a book and I read the byline, like, uh, aerospace engineer, reverse engineered the pyramid and thinks they were a free energy thing or whatever, I'm going to read,

I read the book and that led me down like 16 other rabbit holes to figure out like, is this true? Could this be wrong? I think it's true. I hope it's true. Maybe it could be wrong. And now I'm following all these lines of thinking and reading more stuff. I'm learning more.

I'm digesting more knowledge, and it gives me a broader perspective on the whole thing. And that's a good thing. That's absolutely a good thing. As a matter of fact, I would say that's better than Christopher Dunn's a better science communicator than Dave Farina because of that exact sort of thing. He sends people down that rabbit hole. Yes. And, you know, I watched this happen a couple of years ago on X with Jimmy. He posted that maybe the Nephilim in the Bible is referring to Neanderthal or,

Denisovans and all the archaeologists and debunkers, oh, you're so stupid, those were smaller than humans. And the Bible says the Nephlin were taller. So how y'all, you're such an idiot? Blah, I let this go for just a couple of days just watching it. I'm like, I want to just show you dumbasses how to science communicate. Hey, Jim, these ones are smaller, but there's ones that are bigger like Gigantipithecus.

Why don't you go check it out and see if there's one that falls in line with what you're thinking? You can send him down a rabbit hole and give him a little thread and let him go, or you can say, you fucking idiot. What do you know? Right. Yeah, but this is one pays better. One pays better.

You look at Dave's videos, if he's trying to educate somebody on Latin, he ain't even getting 10,000 views. I'm dead serious. You look at it consistently that way. But if he's going after somebody, now he gets big views. Yeah. And so it's incentivized. Yeah, it's all incentivized, right?

Like nobody would be doing any of this stuff for the most part if it didn't earn a lot of money. And one of the things I think about, too, is like, I often think about what scientists or researchers or archaeologists or whatever profession you want to say it is, whatever area of study, imagine the people in all of those professions who are sitting in their chambers or sitting in their institution or academic institution or in their labs or whatever it might be who don't pay attention to any media stuff. They don't pay attention to any podcast stuff. And they're actually doing like cutting edge stuff, but they don't have any overlap with like the public world whatsoever. And I'm wondering like how much of those people are out there that have never been in front of a microphone before?

And how different is their view of all this stuff from the people who are always on a microphone and writing books? Really good thing to think about it. You know what I mean? Like are they it it's possible that they're two separate fucking universes Yeah of truth. No, I get exactly what you're saying. Because those people don't, they have no incentive to ever go on a microphone and

talking to podcast. They're probably scared of doing it for whatever repercussions they would get like from their university or whatever. And there's no money for them to make. They don't have the time to do it. Well, and not just that I think, I think that it's, you know, there's a lot of self-selection there too. You know, if you look when we were kids, and you go on, if you wanted to see a goofy scientist that wasn't a Carl Sagan, you'd have to, like, turn on PBS at like two in the morning.

And then you'd find that dude with the wacky hair telling you, oh, but generally speaking, you got an articulate. The kind of guy, you wouldn't mind taking your daughter out. That's what you used to get from a scientist. But now, because any dumb ass can put a microphone in front of them, now we all see that they're, okay, you guys are kind of a little goofy in the brain. That's a good thing as far as, I mean, look at Einstein. He's walking around with his shoes untied and his hair unkempt and, you know, looking at the same time. If this person's trying to communicate to the world and explain this stuff,

man, you kind of, some of these guys need handlers. I guess it's the best way of putting it. They really do. It's like, Jesus Christ. Well, it's very, I've noticed it. I think it's pretty rare to find somebody who is really proficient and dialed in what their profession is or what their area of research is. and also at the same time be a really good communicator.

Yeah, that's extremely rare. It's often they don't go hand in hand, you know. I would completely agree. They call them public-facing scientists when they kind of tap out of the mainstream trying to publish papers and they just kind of turn and start making YouTube content or whatever, right? And it's kind of an insult in the scientific community. Sagan dealt with that.

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heard about them and please support our show and tell them we sent you. Dude, I just had a guy on my podcast the other day that was telling me that he was at a meeting at the NSA and he walked into it. This was, I think he said we was talking about Sagan, right? I'm pretty sure he was. He walked into an NSA room meeting and Carl Sagan was sitting there with the fucking contractor badge on. I completely believe that. Right? He was, that was Carl Sagan, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy.

This dude was tapped into the fucking NSA. I believe it. I mean, he was, he was, but he was a brilliant science communicator. Like the way, one of the things I loved about him was when people came to him with questions about aliens. Yeah. Like, there was one question where a person was like, what kind of technology do you think they have around Alpha Century? And of course, they look for a split second, you see it in his eyes.

Like, how the fuck am I supposed to know? Well, you know, a few billion years older than Earth, well, blah, blah. And then you have these different things. So maybe they would have it. He answers the question. And then like I was saying, really, he leaves these threads. So that go research more, go research more, go learn.

And I think it's largely because of him that at least, I'd say at least half the population knows that when we look at a star and break down the light on a spectrum, we can actually determine the different elements and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And I would attribute that to Sagan. He was, he, that's a kind of esoteric little bit of sciencey stuff that it actually kicks the tie, that pushes against skepticism of astronomy. How the fuck do you know what that star is? He's addressed it.

And so anyway, I think, you know, of course, he got paid by. By KSPS, he didn't have to fight by clicks, right? So you got paid by what? Sorry, that's the Spokane PBS station. Sorry. Oh, he got paid by PBS and other things like that a lot of the time. Clearly the government, too, I'm guessing. Well, this gentleman who said he saw Sagan, he said this was later in Sagan's career.

And I was listening to Jesse Michaels talk about Sagan. And he was saying, I'm not a historian on Carl Sagan by any stretch of the imagination. But what Jesse was saying was that early on in Sagan's career, he was very, outspoken about like extraterrestrial life and all this stuff. And he's like later on, he kind of switched his tune and started being more skeptical of it. And I was wondering if that may be coincides to when he started working with spooks. Probably. I mean, that's to sound conspiratorial, but these kinds of things, you know, doing what I do for a living now, you know, UFOs are an interesting place to dip your fingers into, but it's also, and the CIA has been fucking with that

since before my dad was born, man. This is so hard to determine fact from fiction. So hard. Is this newspaper clipping real or not? I mean, good luck. Right? So all that stuff, it ends up, like there's a few of them, though, that really do stick with me. The foo fighters from World War II, when you got the Japanese and the Americans and the Germans

all go, man, what the fuck these things are? I hope they're not the other guys. Right. As there's a, you know, they didn't get together on this one. So there's a few things like that that do kind of pass. all of the litmus tests of CIA couldn't fix that one, right? Right. Also, like in ancient text, like in the Bible, there's descriptions of things that match UFOs.

The Nuremberg thing, right, from the 1500s, for example. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and there's another one where this guy, Richard Dolan made a really cool book recently on like the history of underwater objects, like underwater submerged, undidentified objects. And there was one about this, like, this ship in the Middle Age. or something like that. That was sailing off of the, I want to say it was the west coast of South America.

And in like the middle of the night, like a football stadium-sized glowing sphere rose out of the fucking ocean. And they found these like old texts of these sailors. They wrote this down and explained this whole account. That wasn't Lockheed Martin. No, exactly. Yeah.

But these, it's unfortunate because in the modern day, now we can't, you know, it's hard to trust. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I was just in Sedona, like I was saying, Sedona, Arizona's got, they call it Secret Mountain. I'm sure there's a real name for it. But that's what everybody calls because you look at it at night, put on night vision goggles. I saw my first UFOs, dozens of them. Really? And they did weird shit.

Like you're watching the cloud and then six of them appear and they move in a pattern and they disappear. But it's all happening over one mountain. So to me, it seems pretty obvious that, you know, this is, it's government shit. right there, right? They've got toys that are, I would think it's way more likely that that's government than if it's in one spot. I don't think aliens would come down and just like, how, we're going to use this mountain and let people see us flying around. Yeah, most likely, I would say, I would say it's just hard to know, man. It's the way with the internet and the way the internet is right now, it's just so easy to confuse people. Oh, man, I remember when I thought

the internet was going to be like the saving grace of humanity was going to get, we were going to open the doors. Nobody could block knowledge anymore. It's going to be great. man. Instead, we get everything from people that claim to be debunkers that lie about half the shit they say. And on the other end of the spectrum, we get, you know, the satanic overlords that are taking over the world. And then, then on top of all this, we find out that they really are eating babies. So then it's like, I was already having a hard time at Thanksgiving trying to shut up my uncles about, you know, the fucking TV's listening to us. After that came out, they just would not shut up. Now, fuck. Thanksgiving's going to be horrible.

horrible this year. Do you know they were right there eating babies? I'll be eating a turkey. Like, what, your family members are? Yeah, some of them,

some of them get pretty spicy with that stuff. And I didn't, you know, the guys that were, the guys that were screaming Pizza Gate 15 years ago and being called a bunch of names and shit now, man, they feel pretty fucking vindicated.

They're vindicated. Yeah. Which that was, that was cute too. And when you had Fereen on here. He was, he was like, well,

I've never changed my position on any conspiracy. He's like, right, right. What about that one? I'm sure that he was totally on board with QAnon back in the day. Not. Clearly not, right? But then he was like, well, you know, I was always, and what really was funny about that, he was always skeptical of those.

Because, you know, I'm anti-Zionist. And it's like, wait a minute, are you saying, are you saying you thought he ate babies because he was a Jew? Is that what I'm fucking hearing you saying right now, dude? And I, I, I, listening to him talk about that stuff. He's anti-Zinist because his wife's Palestinian. Yeah. But now he's, but his reasoning for, I always thought there was something going on with Jeffrey Epstein.

Why? Mm-hmm. I mean, that's what I was like, well, what's, is it because his last name's Steen? This is having to flashbacks to Mel Gibson. Look, like, what, you got a dog in this fight, Levi? Yeah. I don't know if you remember that clip from 20 years ago. Sorry.

I'm been on in a while. No, I think people had an, idea what Jeff, what Jeffrey Epstein was all about when he first got arrested. Oh, yeah. I think, even though he wasn't like in the spotlight, but I think that Vanity Fair article kind of like blew the lid off everything. Yeah. And people that were, it wasn't reported about widely, but I think people had a good idea. And it's also interesting that, you know, he was also very interested in all this ancient history stuff in Atlantis. Very interesting. Him and especially Geelaine Maxwell was like super interested in Atlantis. She even started

to this like taramar foundation organization where it was like um it was a i believe it was a non-profit or something like this all about like escaping laws in the ocean and like creating a seafaring civilization and they were she was trying to find there was a there was like an abandoned military platform off the coast of spain i believe and they were looking at like turning that into its own like autonomous country that they could operate on. And I think Google ended up purchasing it to house their servers and shit. Anyways, she had a submarine called the Atlantis, and she was constantly exploring off the coast of Cuba and stuff.

I noticed she was looking for the Cuban period. She was looking for that. And people think, I mean, when she went off the radar after Epstein died and was hiding, she changed her name to Janet Atlantis. How crazy is that? If I've ever go into hiding, I'm going to change my name to Frank Sasquatch Taint. Frank Sasquatch Taint. Nobody will ever find me.

Yeah, that shit is so weird. It's like, and, you know, we're saying before the podcast about, like, like, we live in a time when people can choose, pick and choose their scientists like they pick and choose their politicians. They can just kind of make up their own truce as they go. You can always find somebody with credentials. It'll back up anything you want to believe. Yeah. And it puts us in a weird spot when, well, now the government can release this kind of stuff. We saw it with the Clinton emails before, where it's like these get released and people treat it like tinfoil hat nuttery.

And it's like, well, fucking hold the phone, bro. This isn't tinfoil hat nuttery, but a huge swath of the population. It's just right-wing stupid bullshit. And the same thing again with this, although I will say that a lot more people are accepting of the mess on Epstein Island, but it still seems like there's a large number of people. I don't really look into that. I don't really care. It's not a big deal. And to me, that's kind of, you know, that's a really great way to hide a needle in a stack of needles, right?

You want to hide your conspiracy theory. You just load up the world with so many of them. But eventually you can just release it. with the fucking federal stamp right on it. They're like, eh, eh. So, anyway. Yeah, I mean, we don't have the attention span to worry about the Epstein files, the Iran War,

the fucking aliens, now the haunt of virus. It's just... Aliens. It's just too much, man. It's like purposeful distractions, just trying to keep us subdued. Yeah, there was a meme that was going around a little while ago.

I'd reshared it was the zoomer with a, standing in front of a UFO and there's a CIA guy with an alien face on and he's like, aren't you impressed? And Zemer's like, man, I got a lot going on right now. I don't have time for these fucking aliens. So much happening. Come back when you're a real alien. Yeah, most of those files they released were already like public information.

It just wasn't on the White House website. That's the only difference. Yeah, I just put it to the official stamp on it. Again, now they kind of can because, well, I mean, look at the way people treat the White House right now. It's like if your boy's not in there, they don't even, they could they just call bullshit on everything. So, you know, there's a lot of people that are just, they hate Trump. And so Trump is the guy that was in charge when he's got released.

And so they just, the conspiracy side of things, there's a lot of people that are just going to ignore this stuff since. What stuff? The alien stuff that's been released and put on the White House website and whatnot. There's already, we're already seeing a lot of people ignoring it, just considering it tinfoil hat nuttery. Well, the problem with it is none of it's new. Yeah. All of it was like previously known stuff on the internet. You could find anywhere on the internet, you know.

But that was a little bit harder to verify. It's just like the first Epstein fake release they did with those fake fucking binders. Did you see that? No, I didn't see that. Yeah, they had these influencers walk like, they staged like a walkout, like at the White House, where they had a bunch of influencers walk out with these fake binders that had Epstein files printed on it. And the stuff that was in there was stuff that was already released. Okay.

It was already public. They were trying to stage some fake Epstein file disclosure because Trump campaigned on releasing the Epstein files. Oh, that's fair. Yeah. Okay. That. Yes.

All right. Complete bread and circus. Yeah, absolute bread and circus. That's what the new UFO files are. Basically this. Yeah. It's all, yeah, that's sad. But I completely agree that that is, you know, they sacrifice.

people when the time is right. Like, it's been a while about Milo Yianopoulos. You remember when he was a big deal back? Yeah. He's making a comeback now. Yeah, I've seen him a little bit more. But like, like, it came out that he, he was on a podcast and said that he was at this, these Catholic meetings where they had like boys and stuff going on and he wouldn't tell anybody who the priests were. Right. And like a year and a half later, after the election's done and, and when there the right was trying to kind of consolidate power or whatever. He got kicked out, and that's what exactly, they used this clip that was a year and a half old. Bill Cosby is the same shit.

You know, people knew that he had this stuff, it was not old, but he started going real public against, don't dress with your baggy pants and all this shit at the same time Black Lives Matter took off. And then some comedian, little clip of a comedian in a, somebody took on their shitty-ass Nokia phone. It went viral because they wanted it to. And there's certain things, like I said, they'll throw you, they'll use you and throw you under the bus. And that's not conspiratorial. This is how it's always been done. This episode of the podcast is brought to you by Liquid Ivy. With the Super El Nino, the summer heat is in full effect.

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I can't fault him for doing good science. The one thing that I will say that he's not accounting for is selection bias. And I'll draw you a parallel that anybody can understand. You know, they made silver quarters until 1963, it was the last year, right? And they're 90% silver.

Now, if we all go to the bank and buy $10,000 in rolls of quarters, we're probably not going to find a single silver quarter in all those thousands of quarters. That doesn't mean none ever existed. Their adjustments have been peeled out of the banks. Right. And, you know, Petrie spoke of precision.

He spoke of very precise looking vases that were made of granite, you know, 100 some odd years ago. So this wasn't unknown, but it was something that you kind of had to be in the know. They don't look Egyptian. They look like a damn flower pot, right? Unless you know what they look like. And then it's like, oh, that looks like an Egyptian one of those vases. But if you don't, I mean, you show that to 99% of people that are going to be like, oh, it's a cool flower pot. Right.

So if you haven't written down the precision measurements and all I've got written down is granite vase, then it's easy to talk to the dude that's the curator there and say, hey, man, 50 bucks, swap out this stuff for that and blah, blah, blah. It makes sense. Those are the ones that got passed around the most. If you imagine a guy who's got three of these things and then somebody walks in and gets a chance to pick one, they're probably going to pick the one that looks the nicest, especially if they're in the know on this stuff. So to me it seems, I'm not saying that his findings are not as conclusive as he claims they are.

That's my biggest thing. I think his findings are important to bring to bear, but it's neglecting the fact that Egypt has been known for artifact, looting in theft for a very long time. And these would not be hard, like I just described, it wouldn't be hard to exchange him to peel. So what he did, if I'm not mistaken, is he went to a bunch of museums,

and he bought this, like, incredible scanning machine device, and he shipped it out with him to England or something. And he went to these museums, and he measured all the vases in all these museums. that held this pre-dynastic pottery or pre-dynastic vases and stuff like this. And he found out none of the ones in the museums, he found out they were all handmade ones, right? And all the ones that were granite from Egypt were Aswan granite.

And if you compare that to the ones that are quote unquote, like super precise or like almost really close to being perfect to where it has to be like machine made, those are the ones that in Matt and Adams collections. They're in their private collections only. So, and he laid this out on this graph. Yeah. Right. He had like a, with an X, Y access, and he.

Little circles of. Yeah. Sorry, I should have described the thing before I just went in, in my problem with it. Yeah. And so that's interesting. That's, there you go. No, it's definitely interesting. quality microns and then what's the bottom one steve inner quality microns so machined

so the handmade pre-dynastic ones are very um rooted like not perfect no yeah yeah clearly and um you know does zoom out a little bit steve what so is he okay what what is the summary of this. Well, what he's basically saying here is that the vases that are in private hands tend to look nicer than the ones that are in museums. And the implication that he makes it very clear that he believes that they were all manufactured by some other company, basically forgeries. He brought one in here that he paid to have a Chinese company make. And he showed the video of it, of them doing it. It was pretty like they were doing it by hand. They were using like crazy. like they were using like chisels and shit to do the rough outline of it.

I don't know. I forgot how they did the rest of it, like the finishing part. But I don't even think it was like a CNC machine or anything like that. No, that's one of the things that I've always laughed about is that all these machinists always talk about like how do you would machine these things. It's like nobody machine stone, man. Nobody machine stone. They carve it. Right.

But the interesting thing to me was that all of the bases in all the museums, they all had, uh, they all had, uh, lots of weathering on them and they were all the granite ones at least were assworn granite and i don't think any of the precise ones that matt or adam have are asswon granite i haven't looked into i would be curious i should have asked him about that because um yeah he he did say that that machine wasn't that fancy said it was affordable but of course what's affordable to matt and what's affordable to him here just a little bit different that's funny um but yeah I mean, no one, no one ever claimed that this stuff wasn't, it wasn't possible to do it today. I think, I think, the first time I had Chris on here.

No influencers claim it. My comment sections are full of people screaming. There's no way you could make these today. The tolerance is too high. Yeah, yeah. And that's, you know, things extrapolate, but, you know, Ben doesn't say that. And he's probably the biggest promoter of these things. So it's very interesting, man.

So basically, to me, what his study did, what this paper that he made did was it, it's not like a proven fact that these things are ancient. It's very possible that these precise ones could be modern. Yes. They could be modern forgeries. No, I think the problem with it is you can't figure out the providence. You can't because it's stone. You can't date it, right? And if you start nailing down the providence on any of these, you know, you could run into antiquities law.

and all kinds of. Yeah. But I think it honestly put the shoe on the other foot, even though I think that Max is doing it wrong. I think he's taking it too far by saying that this means that none of the ones that are in private hands are legit. What it says is it's possible that they are legit. And it puts it on the other foot.

Instead of the people that are saying ancient high technology having a piece of evidence, now they've got something to prove just to get this back on the tape. Totally. So I, you know, in those regards, it's an important thing. I just, yeah, if he, you know, the funny thing about Max is, you know that Billy Joel song, I don't know why I go to extremes. It's like one day with this guy, it's, these are nuclear containment vessels. And now they're just fucking rocks.

And it's like, dude, maybe, maybe somewhere in the middle is where. Well, that's how he started out, right? Yeah. That's how he originally got interested in this stuff. Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with that, but it's just, it's like a really weird. really weird swing. We see this a lot.

You know, like you were talking earlier about people getting involved in things. And it's like, instead of people taking baby steps, they forget the pendulum has a center and they just push it right on past.

The guy that Graham Hancock wanted to debate, not Flint, but John Hoops. He flat out says that he got into archaeology because of Atlantis when he was in 10th grade. He wrote a paper on Atlantis, and that's what got him into archaeology. And now he debunks it so hard

that he's the guy that Graham wanted to go up against. Oh, wow. Yeah, these, you just get pushed. These, these pendulums go. That's amazing. It's weird how that works. But in my mind, it's like. John Hoops.

Yeah, John Hoops. That's the name sounds amazing. He hides. He's a university professor at KU. He teaches a lot. He's a big Wikipedia editor. Oh, wow. Really funny fact, if you go to the Younger Dryest Impact Hypothesis page,

he's one of the main Wikipedia editors there. And Mark Young, the archaeologist who's on the comet research group is no longer allowed to edit that Wikipedia page that he actually does the work on. Instead, we get some archaeologists that doesn't know anything about it. It's like, Wikipedia is, they weaponize this stuff. You know, I know. Oh, yeah. And that uses, they end up with AI, they're even more, you know, make sure and get it the right thing and you'll get the AI to. Yeah. But like to those vases, is it possible that those are all modern in Matt's and Adam Dutgeon's.

It's possible. The precision ones, yes, that's possible. It's possible that they are modern. Very possible. But is it possible that those giant fucking statues in Egypt are modern? No. Is it possible that those serapium boxes are modern? No. No.

You can't explain that shit. That stuff is insanely precise. Yes. And the overcut in the one serapium, the one coffin lid. You've seen that one where it's an off cut. This to me is one of the more interesting things.

There's a granite coffin lid, I think it's in the Cairo Museum, and it's got a long cut that's off. It's like it's curved off and it just goes for like a foot, foot and a half. Really? Yeah, long enough that if they were doing it through a mundane means of a copper saw running, you know, gypsum or whatever underneath it to drive and cut, they should have caught it. slow and it took an hour to do a millimeter of cutting then you're not going to go that far off if you do man everybody's going to lose their heads i mean there ain't no way if that's how these things were done that they would tolerate that kind of fuckery i mean come on right so to me to me there are things like that that it's interesting like you know on the one hand i'm not ready to say that

ancient egypt had a bunch of high technology but they clearly were way better at working stone than we know are today clearly. And I, you know, stone was the premier building material and used for like, you know, millions of years, hominid devolution. We were using stone points for forever ago. So it makes sense that we would have a lot of little nuanced tricks that we put together over the generations and then we lost it, you know, in just a couple of generations when metal and wood, when metal in particular really took over.

I compare it to like how much do you know about. horseback riding compared to your great grandpa right it's like he he was good at it i can speculate because he had to have been good at it i know all my ancestors would laugh at me for my inability to ride a horse right but that's just because the skill set change right totally and so i think i think if we watch them build the pyramids i don't think we'd be like holy shit i think it'd be like a fucking really is that what they do oh my god why didn't i think of that right just like uh if you know much about baseball. You know, a left-handed, a lefty doesn't do much besides pitch or play first base if he's infield, right? But you don't, and the reason is obvious if you think about it,

right? But it's because of where his glove isn't what's throwing arm is. But you have to think about it for just a minute. If you don't know anything about baseball, why the hell are you discriminated against lefties? Right. It's just the way the game is. So all these little nuanced things that people don't see that seems stupid to them but when you know you scratch the surface uh yeah there's a good reason for a lot of stuff i think the ancients were a lot smarter than we give them credit for even the archaeologists and stuff i think they really especially when it comes to the stars i think they really dumbed down how much they knew about uh astronomy but that does kind of make sense because archaeologists look down and not up and right it's just right off the bat it's fundamentally two

different things yeah totally flint says that the Sphinx facing the rising sun was a coincidence. And that's just like, come on. Right. Well, how much does he work with people in other fields, right? Like, how much interdisciplinary work is he doing? Exactly. Is he talking to astronomers?

Is he talking to classicists who are like just decrypting all the ancient texts and all that stuff? Well, yeah, I don't know how much of that he does. I know that pretty much all of his efforts are in debunking nowadays when it comes to that stuff. If he's looking into something, he's looking for ammunition to come after Graham or mostly Graham, but that whole, I think. I haven't seen him put out much content that wasn't arguing with people for about a year now. Yeah.

Yeah, I was explaining to Dave when he was here that the Graham Hancock debate with Flint, I thought Flint did a fantastic job on that. And I felt like I was on an island with that opinion. I don't think you were on an island at first. Like, kind of, you know, that's why Dave came after me was because I went after Flint. And, you know, the thing that when I watched that debate, I'd already had a bunch of goings back and forth with Flint. We got along well up until the whole racism thing. And I'd made a video going into detail about how what they say about the origins of Atlanta's hunting is bullshit, but they do it to pin it on white supremacy, yada, yada. And when he goes on that debate at the point when he starts talking about the racism,

and he's like, well, no, I didn't say that. Well, yeah, I didn't say that. Well, no, I didn't. Is it in quotes? And it's like, dude, you're lying. You're clearly lying right now. And so then I went back through the video with the fine tooth comb. And there were multiple times that he was just like, well, just bend the truth a little bit.

And yeah, and here's the thing, too. Like, me listening to that debate as an uneducated person, just hearing it, like, you can certainly deceive people by talking fast and confidently. Yes. And that's what Flint did. Yep. Like he was very calm and collected and fucking confident on that podcast. And he was throwing shit in that he was adding context to stuff that Graham was saying and like coming back at Graham with stuff that he was saying. And like, I was like impressed. Like wow. Like dude, this guy knows his shit. But you know, that's the same thing Ben Shapiro does when he argues with people. He just talks very fast to where he's like outpacing you to where the facts can't catch up with what

are you saying because it sounds so good and he says so confident and that's what i think uh joe and graham were talking about when they did their follow-up podcast because i guess there were some stuff that it was wrong about the shipwrecks and whatever yeah yeah i went um that i went through that with uh the metallurgy thing um like right right in the early he's like talking about metallurgy in the ice age and he shows a graph that's from the roman era and and like Like, I talked to an ice core specialist, this guy, Dr. Peter Neff, ICP, he goes by on Twitter. He used to. Now he's on TikTok alone, I think.

But thanks to this whole mess. But I spent an hour on a Zoom chat with him because I wanted to make sure before I made my video, my ducks were in a row. Right. And he was very clear. He's like, you know, if we don't have the, if we test ice core and it's got lead in it, and we don't have isotopes or a archaeological site. that's got similar isotopes we can't really conclude that it was metallurgy that did it so we've never looked for metallurgy in these oldest because we don't have any archaeological sites that corresponds

so we don't look for metallurgy 15 000 years ago in the in the ice cores because we don't have an archaeological site to go to to push us in that direction and there are spikes in the lead which flint omitted when he talked about it and so and i don't believe there was metallurgy back then i believe that flint fucking lied when he was in front of millions of people people. And that is kind of a big deal. It's, but the other one that he did, uh, that'll dovetail with what me and Dave Farina's beef, uh, he said that the, the pyramids were dated by carbon dating. And they're not that the pyramid, the carbon dating on all of the fourth dynasty edifices is about 150 to 300 years older than the written records. They're dated by written record. And so,

okay, the consensus on the age of the pyramids, right? We're talking about the great pyramid and the coffee. The three big boys, yeah. The three big boys on the plateau. They were dated by texts, the hieroglyphs and stuff. And when were they dated? They were dated to the fourth dynasty, right? I'm saying when was the conclusion made?

Oh, that like, though this was made over 100 years ago. When they first tested carbon dating, they took that to Egypt because the Egypt's timeline is considered, the written record in Egypt is considered very robust. They always have to It's not just the written record, right? When you say written record, there's like multiple different written records that come into play

and then there's other letters and stuff from Keynes to other people and there are astronomical things that there's a bunch of bullshit that's involved But there's a bunch of bullshit. We call it the written record. Writing in itself is bullshit. What you just said. You just said.

But I want to really quickly point out that Like, this is a sticking point between me and Dave Farina is because I told him that this is an example of archaeology not operates as science. They have this written record and then they have this hard data. And just like a Bible thumper is apt to do, they take that hard data and they're like, I'm going to shove that into my written record and make it fit. And Dave posted a paper where they... What did they carbon date? They carbon dated wood and seed matter that was found in the mortar. and so some of it was done in in the interior and stuff so it is it does it does make it difficult

it's pretty it even graham you know back in like 96 in message of the sphinx he said that the pyramids were definitely built by coffrey and stuff but by the kings in the fourth dynasty but he believes the floor plan the layout is much much older um but at any rate uh the fact that the fact is that what they did to get rid of this and this one disparity in the first dynasty second dynasty is a written record and carbon dating line up create you get to the end of the third dynasty and the fourth dynasty and they veer off for a couple hundred years and they go back together at the beginning of the fifth right when all the cool shit's getting built the carbon dating goes off when is the fifth dynasty what year um was the fourth dynasty was like 2 600 bc so the fifth would be probably 25 40 or something like that

i'm not i'm not off the got in my head but uh Each dynasty was roughly how many years apart? Yeah, it's a hundred. About a hundred. Some were 70, some were a couple hundred. Got it. The... Can you find me like a beautiful,

graphic timeline of the Egyptian dynasties for my elementary school brain? You can keep going. Oh, okay. Sorry. But yeah, the fact that the carbon dating, the fact that the carbon dating is different was only in that area, has brollered Egyptologists ever since they co-related the data and I want to see 2000,

is either 2001 or 2009. But they did a paper in like 2016 that they use Bayesian modeling, if you know what Bayesian modeling is. I didn't until this, but I dig into stuff. It's my job. So in this case, what Bayesian modeling is, is they, you know, you basically start with an idea you start with a known and you try to modify it um with uh with a mathematical formula including other things and so you do prioritize different information and you revisit your original uh original belief over and over and over again and so what they did with the patient modeling on this is so fucked because they got all these they got all these carbon dates that are that are all over the place right but they tend to lean to that 250 years older so

to make it work, they eliminated all the dates that didn't correspond with a known ruler, and then they favored the dates that were the most recent. And that's just the most ridiculous thing ever. Oh, well, look, we massaged the data. Look, we did science and made it all go away, and it's not science. It's like if we say that there is, that you say you owe me $1 and I say we, you owe me $100, and then I say, look at this mathematical equation that I just did that favors the more bigger numbers than the smaller ones.

Guess what? You do owe me 80 bucks. It's like this is, it's not science. This was just a mathematical fuckery. 31. Yeah, yeah. 31? It went on for a while.

So the dynasty number one was 3,500? Is that right? Right in there. I think 32 maybe. Okay. But yeah, it was the unification of the three. two lands. But yeah, there's, so that, that little bubble, my whole thing is, like I say, the carbon dating

lines up. All those other dynasties pretty well, but just that one little spot. Around the fifth. Yeah, the fourth is the big one. That's when all the cool shit, the sphinx and those three big pyramids were said to have been built. But the end of the third, all the way to the beginning of the fifth. And it's supposed to be 20 years or something like that?

Yeah. I've called that one the gateway drug to be a pyramid. When they, when they tell you they built it in 20 years, any guy with a tool belt's like, yeah, they did, man, shoot. Like, okay, come on, dude.

That's fucking hilarious, man. But, you know, I pointed out that Dave, to Dave, that paper used the Bayesian modeling just all, it was just mathematical fuckery. Yeah. And then I pointed out that, My belief isn't the same as Grams.

I think that, you know, King Sneffru, like the Egypt, he's got the three pyramids, right? The three, he's got three big pyramids, the bent, the red, and the step. And he's the only ruler with three big pyramids. And they're like the first three big ones. I think he deleted somebody. I think he deleted another dynasty. I think he claimed their shit as his own because you can't erase a dynasty if they got a big ass building without steel in that building is your own.

And I think that's why the carbon dating, and veers off from the written records. I think that's why everything kind of goes to shit there for a minute. And Professor Dave didn't want to discuss that one. So I'm going to challenge him. I want to debate his ass all on this one since he keeps hiding from me on it. Because that's not a big deal to some people, but it's a huge deal to me because if archaeology is claiming to be a science

and it's claiming to follow the scientific method, it's leaning on itself in favor of a story. You know, it wants to hold up a narrative at that point. And I'm not saying there's some big cabal to conspiracize this. I'm just saying that the Egyptologists all say that this written record's got to be what's right. And this carbon dating is just pesky. And so they make it go away. And that's not fucking science.

Dude, as an electrician, I couldn't do that. Oh, man, I sure wish that we didn't have to have a ground here. But I'll just do with that. It's not how that works, man. But that was, you know, that was actual science. stuff. You're actually working with nature as opposed to just trying to write a story. You know, historians are smart enough to not call themselves scientists, even though they do the exact same thing. Right. And they disagree on tons of stuff. Yeah, of course they do. As we get older,

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Yeah, debates are useful that way, but like you were saying about Ben Shapiro and Flint. Yeah. And I mean, the other one, you know, if I start throwing bullshit at you, if I'm doing the Ben Shapiro thing. Yeah, rapid fire. And it's loaded with bullshit, real fact, real fact, bullshit, bullshit, real fact. You're fuck, dude. You're never going to keep. And if I'm better on you than camera.

And I can suck and jive. And it's just, there's so many things that have nothing to do with who's right and who's wrong. It just has to do with who can play the field better. It's, you know, salesmen, or they work that shit all the time. Same exact thing. You don't need the product, but they're going to make you want that motherfucker. Mm-hmm. 100%, man.

That's the way it works. And, you know, we found, we, we were able to, like, prove some stuff wrong when he was on here, not related to the ancient civilization stuff, but some other stuff on, like, you know, on like pharmaceutical industry stuff, like all these claims. It's just like there's no, the problem with me, with me on both sides. On his side, on the mainstream ivory tower science defender side, and on the complete like out in fucking outer space conspiracy theorist side, which I'm moron. Me too.

It is like, there's not like, they don't pick a few over here or a few over there. like pick from a bunch of different, a bunch of different kind of like groups of things that they want to incorporate into their worldview. It's like all one or it's all the other, right? It's like, like blue no matter who or or whatever it is. They just like they, they fall in line with that fucking cult or whatever you want to call it. Lockstep. Lockstep. I completely agree. It's a really sad thing. It's one of the frustrating things about our country is a two-party system. I think it facilitates that really well. Because most people are generally single issue voters.

They're there for abortion or gun control or the border or finance, whatever the fuck. And sorry, I was just trying to get you demonetized there apparently. I'm sorry. Buzzword, buzzword, buzzword. So then you come in and you find your constituents. These guys all agree with me on my hot button topic. And so now they just told me what I feel about everything else or I lose all my buddies and we're social critters. So it's not it's it is a real easy game to play real easy game to play

Um, it's just unfortunate because, uh, it ends up making even people like myself that And you bring ego into it too. Yeah. Oh, of course. Especially on debates. Yeah. Right. Because you just want to win. You want to look like the smarter one. That's the whole point for to be in there. Right. Right. You learn a debate class. You have all kinds of positions you take that you don't believe, right? If you take debate in high school, I think, you'll be affirmative and against on the same topic. You've done a lot of debates, though, right? Oh, that was my first debate, actually. Oh, really? I thought you've done quite a bit on like on, like, virtually at least. Oh, no, no, I mean, I've talked. I'm okay, no, yeah, I have. I was on Zahawas and stuff.

Or maybe not you wouldn't come debates, but I feel like you've talked to a lot of people with very different viewpoints than you. I have. Yeah. I have. Yeah. I try. to go out of my way to do that and I value science a lot. I guess that's one of the big things it kind of puts me in a different spot than a lot of the other pyramids in our community is that I, you know, I really care a lot about the scientific method and that's honestly one of the things that really pisses me off about archaeology because it's like it is and I think it's where the ego gets so hard on them. They're LARP as scientists and they fucking know it.

They're- Archaeologists? Yeah, carbon dating science, man. Stratigraphy, that you can call that as science, but putting it all together in some little package and saying, these people were the first one in the Americas and anything else is a bullshit, stupid idea. That is not science, and that's fucking dogma. And this has been going on forever. You know, they'll say, oh, Clovis First was a one-off. And I'm sure you know about Clovis first, right?

But there's a dude Ayles Hydrolica. He was the Smithsonian Institute archaeologist back in the 30s. He's the guy that turned all the giant bones from 6'7 to 6 foot 2. in the records and but he also it's even on the wikipedia page about the the fulsome tradition he fought against the idea that anybody could have peopleed the americas before about 3 000 years ago and it says even on the wikipedia page despite being edited by guys like john hoops it says that uh that any archaeologist desirous of a successful career couldn't posit that there was people on the americas more than 3 000 years ago when ails was running around and this is

This is how it's always how it is when there's a dog. I mean, archaeology started out as a bunch of fucking antique collectors that were like, man, how do it? Was this one older or was this one older? But we should probably look into this. Is that true? Yes. That's exactly where it started from. The archaeology is the whole entire field started from, from, and if you really want to get all the left-leaning politically correct from white people looting the indigenous artifacts and putting them on shelves.

That's, that's what archaeology started from. Look at the Kachina dolls in the Southwest. Do you ever seen those? Maybe. They're Pueblo. Nowadays, they're like a thousand bucks for a good one. They're Pueblo dolls that were made to represent different gods. 200 years ago, they were made from corncobbs, and they looked like a cheap little effigy.

All of the anthropologists in the late 1800s and early 1900s, that became a big rage was Kachina dolls. Because as the noble savage was being destroyed from America as they wanted to get all the artifacts. And so these scientists with they've actually encouraged we don't get, they just don't really make normal Kachina dolls anymore. They don't make those corn cob things really anymore. They make these Warhammer 40K miniatures that are blown up to 20s. They're all painted and they're shaded and they're imposed. And it's like, okay. All right.

But, you know, this is, it's been that way. So these were artifact collectors. Yeah, yeah. We wanted to figure out how legit their stuff was. Yes, sir. And try to figure out back engineer it and do the science. to figure out, wow, to figure out how much fucking value they had. Yeah.

And now they call it a science. And they, again, historians use the same shit. They do. Well, this is the fucking problem with it. You want to say that commerce and science are two different things, but that's not true. No, they've never have been. They're fucking so intertwined. Yeah.

It's not even funny. And every aspect of science is intertwined with money. Clearly. Clearly. Like when you were talking to Dave about. about the about pharma and about the whole. I mean, you could see his position was totally faith-based. He didn't have evidence to go on to say what he's saying.

He's like, oh, this, Ivernexin killed all these fucking people because- Yeah, Ivermectin. There you go. They killed all these people because they didn't get COVID treatments. Like you got numbers on this? Or you're just saying, okay, cool. Yeah. No statistics. All right, cool.

That's nice to know. It's like, dude that, you know, we saw. I've never seen anybody. defend these billion dollar corporations. Like that. Like that's on one, on one hand, you claim to be like against grifting. But on the other, on the same time out of the other side of your mouth, you're defending the most lying, cheating, stealing evil billion dollar corporations

that have ever existed. Well, yeah. Like I said, these guys grift. He's a grifter. I know for everything that he got wrong about me that he, if your job is to go out and I say, I'm giving you the straight facts and you get everything wrong. You need to at least come out and tell your audience, hey, man, I got some shit wrong here, bro.

He doesn't. Instead, he hides from the debate. I've been challenging him to a debate for a month, two months now. Pierce Morgan potentially even. Oh, really? He's been on Pierce, hasn't he? Yeah, and so of you, yeah. And so, but he's, he's, literally, he's afraid

because once he found out that my position wasn't some goofy, fucking 20,000-year-old pyramid, it was just like I think they deleted a dynasty and I think that you guys need to quit fucking with the carbon dating and archaeology is not a science and there's my evidence now he realizes that he's not debating some goofy tinfoil hat dude and so he's hiding he knows that if he sits across me I'm gonna clean his fucking clock with this one he's he's a hundred percent on it and yeah he's you notice he didn't even mention my name when he was when he was here right it's um out of him he didn't i don't i don't remember did he no he didn't he didn't i was looking to see if he did or not

Because I know I he's trying to he's trying to pretend that I don't exist to make me go away and stuff And it's so funny because it's like I debunked I I debunked the precision vases two years ago before I did anything about flint devil I debunked the precision But I had a video talking about how not fully debunked but a lot of the stuff that's involved a lot of the goofy encoded information and all this stuff I kicked the tires on that hard I debunked electric pyramid What was that could code the encoded information that you debunked? Mark Kvist believed that there was circles and different sizes inside

that the vases were made up. Oh, I remember Ben showing me this on the podcast. And so in my video, I take my PlayStation 2 console and measure the power switch in the front and back and show how this is this actually, if you multiply at times pie, just like them, by the golden

ratio, I've got structural steel and with this one, I've got a certain kind of jet fuel. I think so you did 9-11. I'm just like you can't just go down. But Professor Dave, that's the kind of shit he would say, right? Yeah. Except for he'd call him a fucking idiot while he's at it, but I didn't.

But he didn't do any research into me at all. This is, I debunked electric pyramids like three years ago. I was like, I mean, there's a lot of problems with the electric pyramid hypothesis, not the least to which the fucking thing's grounded. What is the electric pyramid hypothesis? I don't even know about this. Like Christopher Dunn leans on it to a degree. A lot of people believe that it was an electric generator,

that it built electricity inside and that the granite was a conductor. I mean, the granite can't be a conductor. I've used granite as an insulator before on shelves when we were putting lights up and stuff. So I know for a fact that it'll pass code because it doesn't conduct electricity. Certainly not going to, if it won't conduct 120 volts we got running through a wall, it sure is hell ain't going to conduct whatever minuscule amount they got. and they would have gotten out of all of those blocks. Well, it does conduct, doesn't it?

If you squeeze it? That's piezoelectricity. Okay. And that's the same thing. You know, any of your charcoal igniters, when you click it, that's why it doesn't have a battery. The spark comes from a, there's a little quartz crystal in there, and there's a spring and a little piece of plastic.

You just thump that thing, and it makes a spark. Okay. The reverse of that. This is like the earthquake lights. Yeah. It's very well what the earthquake. lights are from. I mean, the reverse of that we use in our quartz time pieces. If you take a piece of quartz of a certain size and you hit it with just the exact amount of electricity, it'll oscillate in an exact

frequency really fast, but it's the opposite. The piezoelectric effect goes both ways. But the problem with that is like, say a limestone block has got all this quartz in it that you could potentially get piezo electricity from. Yeah. Well, every one of those quartz crystals would have to be in alignment as far as magnetically aligned to each other. And then you would have to have a plate, like metal on top and bottom, to harness the electricity. So every time they've ever done any of the tests on the pyramid that's shown any electrical stuff,

they always put a rubber mat underneath their model for obvious reasons. So there's just a bunch of little things like that. Chris Dunn mentions that in Giza Power Plant book, where he met with, I forget the guy's expertise, but he met with like a bunch of experts over there that we're discussing this stuff. One of the guys, I think, was actually a NASA physicist. And Chris was of the belief that all the quartz and the granite would account for a bunch of electricity or something.

And this NASA guy was like, there's not enough courts to make a difference. There you go. And I remember Chris was like explaining in the book how that was like kind of frustrating for him. It set him back. Yeah. Okay. AI says granite is not an electrical conductor. Okay.

Yeah. It's, I mean, yeah. The piezo electricity is cool. And that's like I was telling you earlier where I was in, when I was with that crystal skull, that guy that had his, his sweat lodge. He's got it with quartz crystals that and he's got water running over it so that it does create a little piezoelectric charge. And he's got a bunch of copper things and stuff around to conduct it. So it's like, you know, he's using it for a pretty new agey thing. Right.

So anyway, what I was getting at though is it, you know, this is I don't just grab one day. old goofy thing and I've debunked a lot of things myself. You know, when I was on stage with Graham Hancock and Sedona, that's how he introduced me. He's like, you call out bullshit no matter where you see it. You've even debunked me before. And I'm like, oh, great. Say it in front of all your fucking fans. Why don't you?

I mean, that's, in all honesty, we're all, we all have different opinions about these things. And scientists, even, they have different opinions. And I think that's a big part of the ability to move forward is to communicate without calling each other Sasquatch tank. Not that it bothers me that much, but there's a lot of other people that get really upset about it. Yeah. Well, I do think it's good also that Matt Bell isn't, he doesn't seem super dogmatic in his view of these faces being ancient.

Like when I talk to him, he's like, these could all be modern. He's like, I don't know. I think it would be a huge red flag if Matt Bell spent all that money on all those vases and was like really trying to push the fact that they were ancient. and not modern. Well, yeah. But Matt's in a unique position where I'm really glad to see him doing it because he doesn't care if they become worth more or worth less. It's not going to change his life one iota.

Well, I mean, yeah, because like what you said blew my mind, how archaeology started with these artifact collectors, like trying to prove the provenance of their shit to determine the value of because that's kind of like what these guys are doing, these collectors are doing. It's exactly what they're doing. But at least Matt's not being. about it. That's the big difference there is the bias. And you can see how that could go sideways. Well, yeah. When I get picked on by archaeologists for being an electrician, you don't know anything about science. It's like, dude, I got tested by God in the universe. You guys could, if two archaeologists believe in Harry Potter, they would peer-review papers on Hogwarts until the end of time.

And they can circle-jerk that science right into the mud. It's not, you know, again, there's parts of it that are scientific. A video game speed runner that sits down and plots the best course through a game is far more scientific and operating clearly much more in accord with the scientific method than archaeology tends to do. And that's, I mean, that should kind of put it right there. It's like video game. I'm like 12 year old's video game speedrunners, man. It's just, it's a game. Right. But archaeology can't, it's, you can't replicate most of their findings.

I mean, and then they cock block you on the few things that you can. And like the cocaine mummies, you've heard of those? I have heard of those. There's a German guy who... German lady, yeah. Oh, that was a lady? Yeah, Svetlana Balabanova. That was my latest video.

I covered that, so I'd been researched and that one a bit. Weren't we talking to a guy who did something with cocaine in Egypt? Oh, that's downtown Miami. Yeah, I don't remember exactly what it was, but I remember the guy like went to prison or something. Oh, wow. This is not the same story? I didn't know about it. What's the story that you, that you uncovered?

Well, it's the one that the Munich Nine, they're called. That lady tested nine mummies that were in the Munich Museum and found cocaine, hashish, and nicotine in all three. Nice. And they try it? I guess. But they wouldn't let us, they wouldn't let anybody retest it. Nobody's gotten a chance to do a second round on those mummies. And when were those mummies dated to?

Those ones, I think. closer to like 12th, 16th, 16th dynasty right in there. Is this it? Cocaine found in mummified brains reveal that new world, new world drug came to Italy. This is what you guys had on. Okay, I didn't. No, this is not the one we were looking at. It wasn't?

No. Oh, wow. So the, where those arrows are? Oh, the 17th century. Okay. This is much later. It might be a second cocaine mum. Yeah, no, this one, if you look up, uh, Munich nine cocaine, mom.

Oh, yeah, you got it right there. Yeah, Hennett Tui is the priestess that was the big one. But, yeah, she was, of the Munich Nine, she was the one that they knew who she was. There you go, 21st Dynasty. 1,000 BC. Yeah. And long before Old World New World Contact is accepted to have occurred. And these guys, but they won't let them retest the mummies.

And it's created some pretty funny debunkings. I had a lot of fun in my video when guys are, because the guys will debunk it and say, well, you know, we tested other mummies and they didn't have any cocaine in him. So I don't know about that. I'm like, man, you're going to be my lawyer next time. Well, Your Honor, we tested his neighbor. I know Mr. Richards was positive for X, Y, Z, but his neighbor wasn't. So how do these people, how do these people imagine that cocaine and nicotine got into these mummies?

This, well, a lot of people think it's, you know, old world, new world contact, right? There's what contact? Old world to New World Contact, like Egyptians or Mayans. I mean, we, you know, And we know fuck all about really about what was going on in the ink and Maya world, and we know it was big. And so, I mean, it is feasible that they did, you know, trade some drugs back and forth. And people, and so many of the debunking things, well, why didn't they bring other food stuff? But why didn't Pablo Escobar bring fucking corn with him? I don't know, man. It's not that complicated.

It's like you're bringing something that people really want. And the other thing that was really interesting was that they point out and kick the tires on, which is funny. Because the Egyptian mummies have about one-third as much as the Peruvian mummies. There's a bunch of mummies from Peru that are loaded with cocaine. What? Yeah. Yeah. But they come right from where it was at.

They just chew the leaves, right? But then we find it in their system. Oh, it was coca. Yeah, it was coca. It was an actual cocaine. When they isolate it afterwards, it's cocaine that they're isolating, right? They taste, they take, she takes a sample of like a tooth, washes it with water and alcohol, smashes it with a steel ball.

Right. And then, you know, Richard Pryor's it without blowing herself up. So what she's left was cocaine, right? So that's why they call them the cocaine movies. But yeah, it was definitely, cocaine wasn't synthesized to like 1855, I think. Right, right. That's right. Yeah, so these people were probably chewing coca leaves and stuff like that.

But how did they get there? Yeah, how did the mummy get to Egypt? That's the question. Yeah, how did the cocaine get from Peru to all these different mummies? It's one thing. It was just 1,000 BC. Yeah. Well, they had boats back then, right?

Clearly. And of course they had. I mean, and the odds all, basically this is why there's a lot of pushback. It's, it's proof of cross-continental contact long before it's supposed to be accepted. Ah, it goes against the narrative. It goes against the narrative.

The cross-continental contact. And, yeah, see, and they can't, they can't reproduce the results. A lot of them only show nicotine. But, yeah, the, they, The claim of contamination is a funny one to me. They say, oh, maybe the mummies were, maybe somebody spilled cocaine on it. And it's like, when I was on Rogan, that was the first thing I said. When he asked you about the cocaine, I was like, well, you know, it kind of seems to me like some of those guys are just doing bumps off of the mummies back in the 70s or something.

Pretty straightforward. Not impossible, I guess. No, but now, but the thing is, is she washed it with water and alcohol. But even if she just washed it with water, like she did in some cases, I mean, dude, you put cocaine powder down and pour a little water on and see what you got left. You ain't going to have no fucking cocaine left, you know? So it's like she's cleaned these things. Contamination is not really.

So they ignore that and they also accuse her of outright lying. That's one of the big ones. She's just, she's just bullshitting. Yeah. That's, again, that's the same kind of shit that Dave was here. Well, this scientist, I don't agree with him. Yeah. So he's a fucking liar.

Yeah. Okay. They know they're grifting. They know, yeah, there's no such thing as a true believer that disagrees with you, sir. Oh, I can't believe I'm in your presence. Yeah. Have you looked into Jeffrey Drum's stuff, the land of Kemp? Yes.

Yeah, I've had him on my channel for a live stream of a couple of years ago. It's pretty interesting. I think his whole hypothesis, I've spent over 10 hours talking to him about this stuff. And I still can't recite exactly what it is. It's so complex. But it makes so much goddamn sense. A lot of it is really interesting. And he's actually spent more time than anyone I probably ever talked to in those pyramids.

Like walking through him, looking at it, he lives right there across the street. And basically, like 30,000 foot view of his theory is that they were the bent and the red pyramid and the Stet pyramid were extracting chemicals from the earth and manufacturing chemicals for agriculture and for metallurgy. And it was like ammonia and nitrogen. Yeah, all kinds of other things. Just basic stuff, yeah. Yeah, very basic, like chemical manufacturing. And he even had a guy make a replica of, was it the red pyramid? I think it was a red pyramid.

Where they measured it. And it matched perfectly the Fritz-Haber device that he invented with the Haber method to figure out what the Haber method was producing, what chemical that was. But it was the exact same thing. If you look at Fritz Haber's contraption, it is the almost exact same mechanism of action of that red pyramid and how it was creating ammonia. Okay. Yeah, that's pretty interesting. There's, I like his, I like his hypotheses a lot. The only thing that I don't know about is the, that makes me a question anything at all is what he talks about like the veins of iron and stuff.

The iron veins. Yeah, I don't, I haven't been able to find it. any references to those. But I didn't dig real deep. I just dug into it a little bit and I was like, it doesn't seem like we're finding this. So I could be wrong. But- Well, he actually has photos that he's shown

of like going in those cavities on the sides of the pyramids. And he like has pictures of the iron veins. Oh, yeah, he's spent, he must have spent an hour explaining to me all the evidence of the iron veins that are underneath the pyramids and all that stuff. And like the different types of rock, that perhaps of stone that conducts heat and stuff like that. And, you know, he thinks that the Felipeo Biondi thing is complete bullshit. Yeah.

And Filippo Biondi invited Jeffrey to his first presentation that he ever did on this stuff. So kudos to him for actually having someone in there who is going to, like, have a nuanced opinion on this and give him pushback. But Jeffery's of the belief that there's natural, there's sort of like natural. iron veins that go down underneath the pyramid. He doesn't think that there's like these perfectly spunked coils that go down under it. And he also, he did like a very detailed breakdown of all of the papers that the Beyondy guy has released. And he's found inconsistencies and stuff.

And like he's found, you know, holes in their way of measuring it. And like one of the big things that he pointed out to me was in the central pyramid. I think it's the Coffrey pyramid when the Beyondy protocol, as he calls it, used their satellites and the other, I forget exactly how it's done, SAR, aperture radar. When they use that to scan the central pyramid, they found, they showed their

their diagram or their heat map of it or whatever. And he claims that there's these big chambers inside of it, the size of the king's chamber. Well, we know for a fact those aren't in that pyramid. So that's a huge red flag. Yeah. To me, um,

at first, the scans had me a lot more excited because, like, I looked into synthetic aperture radar. Again, it's my job. So I dug into that, and, you know, in the 70s, they used it, and they used, they just analog stuff. There's this really cool chart that was like a picture of a blob and then, like, a Soviet tank, and a picture of a blob and a Soviet plane. It's like, this is for the military.

This synthetic aperture radar blob is usually this T-34 tank or whatever. then computers have made it to where like this down to like i think it's two centimeters of fidelity from space so when they're like oh we're using AI to make this it made sense to me and then we even dismiss the five kings chambers is when you get five thumbs on you know sometimes when you're make an AIR AI is still kind of little stupid yeah but uh now we're in a point where i'm very much on the shit or get off the pot at this point it It's like I either dig, dig up, go somewhere, prove it, or quit because, you know, second sphinx and more stuff on, it's all, I'll forgive a little bit of stuff to market. I get, you got a cool product here.

But the fact is you're out there screaming about all this shit and no alphabet boys have snapped that shit up yet and said this is mine or disappeared him. I mean, you know, the U.S. government probably wouldn't even use it to look at other guys. We'd probably just be like, you know what, I'm way more concerned they're going to use it to look at us. So just fucking toss that and throw that in the lock and throw away the key. But so yeah, there's a lot of things that make me really, really skeptical about. The military applications on this honestly would be there's no way if it was working the way it does it. It wouldn't have been by now. Well, yeah.

And one of the other big problems with it is if you look at the raw data, like the raw images that it came up with and you look at the AI renditions that he made, it's like, how in God's name did you come up? with this out of this. Yeah. Like pull up the images of that stuff, dude. It's insane. Yeah, it's got pretty bad. And another thing Jeffrey was telling me is like because the way they went about doing that, which is it's, I guess it's not illegal how they did it.

But like generally when you're doing that kind of stuff, you want to get like the blessing of Egypt or the people that are the antiquities or whatever. And they did that kind of like rogue without getting actual permission to do it. And now Jeffrey's saying that he talks to a lot of people that work inside. like the Department of Antiquities or whatever. And they all tell Jeffrey's like, this guy's not going to fucking touch another grain of sand in the Egyptian desert. Like if this guy thinks he's going to do anything else after this,

he's like, he's gravely mistaken. That's crazy because, I mean, what, you know, I, this stuff is basically non-invasive, right? I mean, this is. They're using, I mean, the satellite data, you could even just go buy it. It's already, it's been around for a while, right? find the one that they did of the great pyramid

and then the one they did of the central pyramid too yeah the one with the five kings chambers and the great pyramid and the central pyramid the cofferite pyramid uh yeah sarah pyramid scan yeah try to type that in see if you can find the raw one it's pretty great that there it is on the right yep that one nope left left left left up up right there

so that's a side angle view Yeah. Of the Great Pyramid. Yeah, that's not. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely a... You can kind of see the up outer edges of it a little bit. Mm-hmm. I mean, even the way that they say that it works,

shooting through a pyramid's a little tricky because the idea is it's reading changes in the topography, right? So it's changes in the soil. So it takes two scans for one of these things to work. The idea is like if you're walking on a piece of concrete and there's a tunnel underneath it and there's sand, the sand's going to vibrate differently over the tunnel than it will on the concrete. Yeah. That's okay.

But the pyramid ain't, you know, got tons and tons of sand covering it where they've got all this data to collate from it. So are the blocks moving every day or something? So there's a lot of things that really just don't seem to add up. And again, I was tried to be leaning at the beginning because, AI's goofy shit man and you know anytime new tech comes along it's it's hard to wrap your brain around it But yeah at this point I need more we spend so much time securing our passwords that we tend to forget that our data is already public And that's why I'm working with incogni you got to check them out Enkogni is the ultimate set-it-and-for-get-it tool for taking back control of your personal information

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One more time, use code Danny at I-N-C-O-G-N-I dot com slash Danny for 60% off. Scan the QR code or hit the link in the description to start your cleanup today. I know you've done some stuff on Go-Bekly-Tepi. And last time you were here with Jimmy, we were kind of talking about all the stuff that's been going on there with like the olive trees and all that stuff. I'm curious because we actually recently just in we were trying to get a hold of a guy who was the I think he was like the head of the project there of Go Beckley Tepe and we wanted to talk to him about this because he seems he's like one of those guys who's never been in front of a microphone Lee Claire is that remember what do you remember what his name was the guy we reached out to that was the head of Gobeckley Tepey? Oh that was him yeah yeah he was on Flint Dibble's podcast. Oh was he really? Okay. It was like a live stream. But I think that that honestly like Flint kind of drug him into the middle of this shit storm. Yeah, it seemed like he really didn't want to be involved in any of the public stuff.

Now he yells at me on Twitter regularly. Oh, does he really? I mean him, me and him have argued on the internet before. He calls me all kinds of names. Oh, damn it's all right. It's all right. It's all right. I thought he was a virgin. You know, I think honestly, I think Zahi Hawass is I think he's a shill. I think he's a wrestling heel. I think. I think he just deliberately, he plays the bad guy. There's nothing to see here. There's nothing. You know, when I was debating him on Pierce Morgan, he says to me, he shamed me for not having visited Egypt yet.

And you don't even know what you're talking about. It's like, okay. Everything he does seems to circle back towards tourism, which he is the Minister of Tourism and Antiquities. So, and, you know, there's a video of him. There's a two-part video. It's an interview where he's talking. talking about the things you want to do to increase tourism to your country. And so this is

for guys like Lee Claire, right? He says, you don't want the quantity of people. You want quality. You want Americans. You want Japanese. You want Chinese. You want people who will bring enough money to change your economy. And also, this is right after the whole Arab Spring when Zahi gave this speech. And he says, no matter what is happening in Egypt, those new age people, they will come. He knows what side is bread's buttered on. And this is why I think that they're dragged their feet about investigating the, uh, the Mouon chamber that they found with the Mouan scans in the Great Pyramid like eight, nine years ago. Which one is that? There's like a second grand gallery looking thing that they found. Oh, above the grand gallery. And they haven't investigated yet. In all honesty,

I think it's, um, the same reason that they're not going to town digging it, go Becli-Tepe. The mystery is what makes them money. If they find a mummy in there, you know, Zahi's in Zahi's thinking they might lose tourism revenue. Yeah. And it's going to cost money to dig it out. So yeah, there you go. Now this is with muon scans. This is much different than the synthetic aperture radar.

Muons are subatomic particles that are like all over the universe flying through space. And they pass through pretty much anything, but they do bounce around after they hit the earth. And so they detect this by that. So it's definitely, you know, it's difficult to know. It's clearly, like, I mean, you can see right there. They don't even know exactly how it's Oriental. Right. But it's the size of like an airplane.

Yeah, there's a big old, big old. And just like what's Gobeckley-Tepe. I mean, you know, Go-Bekle-Tepi, if they excavated everything there, the mystery would be gone, right? And to the new agey people, these guys Zahi Hawas, like I said, he's very clear about that being the case in Egypt. And I go out in the lim and say, go Beckley, Tepe, any of the places that got popular from the Atlantisboro community, right? When the Atlantisboro start talking about the place, you get increase in tourism.

And a lot of those people are going to go there and spend a lot of money, but not really, they want a mystery. So they don't really care if you've dug up all of all of 95 percent of the place. As a matter of fact, if you haven't, then they can say, you know, what that motherfucker? So honestly, I think Zahi Huas, I think he's playing that angle. I think he's walking around like Ted DiBiasey did when we were kids telling his people with his black dude. He's racist as fuck towards. So you just want to hate him. Same kind of thing.

Just go ahead and hate me. Just come here and spend your money. You think that they make a lot of money from Gobeckley-Teppy tourism? They charge like 20 bucks ahead, I think it is. And that's not a fortune, but that's 20 American dollars ahead, right? I mean, you're getting money, dude. Right. And they're not just spending money at the side.

They're spending the money to get there. You're checking into the entire economy. Right. They're staying there in hotels. And you got to think about like you go to a lot of these places. You could, 50 bucks will get you a lot further there than it will here. And so, you know, these guys are, to us, it's like them beating another 50 bucks out of a person's nothing to us. But to them, that's fucking feeding a dude for a month.

So there's all kinds of, it's, it's. sad. I think the same thing about the tradactal mummies, for example. I think that those are bullshit because I think that the guys that are doing it are getting some dollars for it. Peru's got a problem with... Did you see Jesse Michael's documentary on that? I did not. I haven't. I admittedly. Was it good? Yeah, it was really good. I don't know, but I've also heard a lot of people say that it was bullshit because there was another guy involved in the whole thing. Heimi, I think his name was. Jaime something.

who was like actually promoting fake mummies, like fake shit. Yeah. And, but from, I mean, I'm kind of vague on it now because it's been so long since I've watched Jesse's documentary on it, but he went down there. And he found some mummies that had like metal infused to their bones and stuff like that. And like, he had some legit scientists looking at it saying that it had to have been real. Yeah. No, I've seen the photographs that I've read some about that. I read a lot more than I watch YouTube.

So you can find an image of Jesse Michael's mummies that he found. Those are the fake ones. Yeah. Those ones were proven fake right there. Oh, you're talking about the one that was found in the cave. Yeah. The ones that were in Jesse Michael's recent video. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's... Because those were different. And one of them had a, like a fetus. Yes. Did you see that? Going around, yeah, too, the elongated skull fetus. Because I've been covering the elongated schools quite a bit lately. yeah it yeah yeah have so are you so have you looked at this one no i haven't looked at that one yet i mean i've seen it but i haven't dug into it no i've it's like got five six fingers right

yeah uh i think three fingers or four of it maybe i'll have to take a look into this remember we had that that little short video about this where the guy was explaining it yeah i mean i can look for it yeah see if you can find that because it gives a good like uh of what the whole thing was about and where they found them and what was interesting about the like the cat scans they did on it and like the skeletal thing they were like they were like basically they were saying this would have been impossible for them to make this thing like this with the skeleton that's inside of it with the fetus and like it's it's biological and it's like maybe they could have taken bones and pieced it together but it's like very low chance that it was fake that's interesting I don't know. I haven't looked at it in a couple months. So I don't know. I don't know if it's been proven wrong or debunked. I'd love to dig into it. Like the Peru's problems with, you know, the elongated skulls from Paracas, for example, the fuckery that surrounds those no end.

The guy that was in charge of it, Julio Tello back in the 1920s and 30s, he sold a bunch of them to Rockefeller. He sold four or five of them to Rockefeller for $3,000. And now, we're up where I live in the Pacific Northwest, there was shitloads of these elongated skulls in the 1880s, 1900s, but they were all looted, like heavily looted in the 1800s and early 1900s. So Rockefeller comes on the scene. Those are all gone, but he finds out what there's some of it's in Peru, and history records him as taking an unexpected immediate trip to Peru.

He buys four of these things from Telo. So now there's about what. It's like 200 some odd grave bundles there. And he gets to cherry pick four or five. These skulls were displayed in the Met and in the National History Museum in New York. There's no record. There's no photographs. There's no record of their measurements.

There's no drawings. And he repatriated them. And the Peruvian government doesn't know which ones they are either. Apparently they just put them back. He didn't fucking repatriate. I never made it back to Peru. They just got sold to somebody else. But there's another time where in the 1960s,

or early 70s, the guy that was in charge of the skulls then, opened 60-some-odd bundles and recorded the contents of six and put the other ones back on the shelf without even saying which bundles they were. And it's like some of these grave bundles that these skulls came in, like these guys would be buried in these kind of textile bags. You can just imagine the dude opening a little, that skull's not going to sell back on the shelf. Oh, holy shit, that skull will sell here right down the contents of this one. And it's so I it goes back to that money thing.

It's like this, you know, that when Rockefeller paid $3,000 for that. Yeah. Tello was getting $300 a year to care for all of those stuff. He just gave him 10 years worth of funding for four of them. He's like, fucking take them, right? He thought he was the amazing benefactor because again, and to Rockefeller, three grand. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny.

When Luke Caverns was here, he was saying that when he was like exploring like South America and Central America. He was like looking at these kind of like ancient pyramid sites or whatever. And he said a couple of them were guarded by like cartels. Like armed cartel members were there like looting it. Like apparently cartels make a ton of money off the black market. I bet. Looting these ancient pyramid sites and shit and selling it on the black market.

So sad, but I totally believe it. You know the tunnels that they just found under Kusko. You remember like last year they were like, oh, we found this big network of tunnels over under Kuskos. go. I don't remember. I remember Sanchez. But yeah, they just found, just announced it last year. You know, Brian Forrester has been taking people on tours of that

for 10 years. There was a scientist. Oh, really? Scientists in the early 2000s screaming about these things. The fucking guy Garceloso de la Vega, who was the son of Inca high priestess and a Spaniard conquistador. door. And he records immense tunnels being down in there. And they were so scary that even the bravest of warriors were afraid to go into the things. And they eluded it, man. They fucking

they told, they peeled every goddamn thing out of there. And then they're like, oh, look what we found. Come pay us tickets to go in there now that there's not a stitch of gold left. Right. I mean, I'm, there's a lot of things I'm not very skeptical of that, and human fuckery is one of them. I have no problem believing people are being assholes and trying to do whatever they can to get in your pocket and all that shit. I want to see what's down underneath that Serap, or not Serapium, but in that labyrinth in Egypt. I want that one is one of the more interesting ones, even though the scans kind of tainted it right now, the fact that they have consistently said, oh, well, you know, all of these reports of this are only half right. They only, the above ground

riot part, true. Below ground part? Bullshit. That's... Who's saying it's bullshit? Mainstream Egyptology has been saying it for like a hundred year that I think Sir Flandry's Petrie found the site and Hoborah and ever since then they've just

said that we have a labyrinth, but it's not the underground one that Herod has described. Yeah, well it's crazy that we have like this ancient Greek texts that explain it being like twice as extravagant or like unbelievably impossible than the actual great pyramid itself. Yeah. And that's, I mean, that's the stuff that, you know,

those are the mysteries that keep you going to stuff. But the problem, I guess, is it's all underwater, right? It's because you can't explore it because it's underwater. Yeah, there's, I think the water table would, we don't know where it is exactly, right, how deep it is, but it's a safe assumption of water table would be sucking up a big chunk of it. A lot of it, again, I mean, goose laid the golden egg. people go there and visit

and go, man, I wonder if I could find a way to get down into the ground over here. As opposed to spending 20 bucks on a ticket. I mean, imagine how much more money they could make if they ficken excavate it. It sucked all the water out of it and let people go down in there. Yeah, yeah.

But imagine how much they'll lose if people look around and if they really look hard and find nothing. If they spend millions of dollars and find jack shit, then not only do you lose millions of dollars, but you kind of kill the mystery. And that's a, I mean, I think that's a big part of it

is you really you know this this whole stuff in my mind is fun that when you've got one foot firmly into what we know and one foot firmly out of what we know and you're just kind of standing in that twilight zone where it's just like where are we what's what's going on here and they you know you know you kill that mystery you tell me where my second foot's landed and now it's just i'm just taking a walk that's a fucking boring but um so i you know i could be wrong about this but that's honestly i think a lot of the i don't think that there's some big top down conspiracy in almost any situation. I almost always think it's just people being people. And we just all tend to like, like we were saying earlier with the social media, you get twice as many clicks ripping the

country in half. So you don't need a conspiracy to tear the country apart. You just turn on YouTube. Let us let us all go at each other. We'll all be Sasquatch taints by the day's end. Didn't Ben say there was like a like a giant metal object or something inside that labyrinth? Yeah, they're supposed to be. I believe their scans said the same thing. But again, I can't really trust the scans anymore because I ain't digging nowhere. Those are getting old, man. Do you remember when those scans were done?

And like who? Those, that's the Felipeo Biondi scans. That was a Felipe Biondi scan that said there was a freaking metal object down there? That's the problem with, like I would say, that's what they kind of. Can you find that, Steve? I'm pretty certain that it was. Scans that show a giant metal object inside the Egyptian labyrinth. Yeah, I'm a little certain it was a little synthetic aperture radar scans.

I didn't know that they scanned the labyrinth. Well, that's interesting. That's the thing is they don't have to, this, this is what's funny is they don't have to scan anything. All they do is buy data to just go to the satellite companies that have already scanned it years ago. Oh. That's why I was saying it's completely, um, it, this is the kind of thing.

Not only is it completely unobtrusive, but it's also the kind of thing that scares the shit out of the governments because you could shoot all the satellites out of the sky and it would be, it doesn't matter. We've already got the data. It's already, we've been flying satellites around the planet for hundreds of years. Yeah. See? Yep.

Merlin Burroughs scans to. Oh, maybe not. Can you zoom in a little bit? After grasping the true magnitude of Tim Acres satellite scans, a quiet urgency set in. We knew the implications stretched far beyond academic uproar, fearing not only the backlash from the establishment, but wider dangers such as revelations that might trigger disturbing interests well outside the bounds of archaeology.

Our research team made a crucial decision one born of caution. To keep the findings secret, we chose not to share any of the scan data outside our closed circle, implementing a strict non-disclosure agreement for anyone granted access to the images. This wasn't out of a desire to hoard information,

but rather to protect the feasibility of our main goal, to carry out a new expedition on Egyptian soil. Right. So if you wanted to get, if you wanted to justify, excavating this thing, the last thing you want to do is say we found a UFO down there because they're never going to let you do it. So keep that a secret. Yeah. Can you keep scrolling? We learned from past experience, namely the release of our scans associated with Dr. Carmen Bolter and Klaus Donna and especially my own Macha Expedition Scans of 2008 that making loud public

claims only led to temporary media attention followed by lasting obstacle. That is so true. That makes so much sense. Keeping a low profile rather than than triggering a short-lived storm of speculation would get us much further. Releasing the scans too early would risk blowing our cover with figures like Zahi Hawass and the Ministry of Antiquities, potentially landing us in the infamous blacklist that barred the independent researcher Graham Hancock. I myself have been placed on the blacklist once before back in 2008 after presenting my Macha expedition results during the lecture at the Ghent University. Hawass interpreted this as a breach of national security protocol

simply for publicly sharing our geophysical results. I was determined not to repeat that experience. The Egyptian prison was not the type of labyrinth I wanted to be lost in. So we chose silence over spectacle. Well, that's smart to do it that way. I completely agree with this guy.

He's doing it the correct way, which is the opposite of how Filippo Biondi did it. Yes. Where does it talk about the fucking metal object? Okay Dippy. That's what it was. Dippy. Okay. All layers converge at the central corridor or avenue he added, like an atrium of a shopping mall where you can see all floors from one vantage point. A hall consisting of a massive space 40 meters wide and no less than 100 meters long.

My personal interpretation, Tim said, is that the entire hall was constructed to house a centrally positioned freestanding object 40 meters long. The central object is hard to classify. It appears metallic, not stone, or wood. I named it Dippy after the giant Diplodocus skeleton in the Hall of London. Yeah, like that's a great, it's a great image. In the National History Museum.

It could be anything. It shape resembles those tick-tac hard mints. It might also be an upright disc or even a colossal shin ring. The ancient Egyptian symbol representing the eternal cycle of creation. The object alone raises profound questions on how did it get there and why is it there? I'm glad that it's not the same scans because that's... Yeah, it's not beyondee. No.

Who is this guy? Yeah, I remember when this image was making the rounds. I just assumed that it was another one of the SAR things. So that is supposed to be a depiction of the labyrinth. Yeah. It doesn't look like much. This looks like a couple of... Right.

No, it doesn't. Yeah. You can see why the Bionde scans are getting more attention for sure. Yeah. Well, this doesn't look like it's done up with AI. It looks like they just colorize it to show like depths and stuff like that, right? Yeah. It's pretty, there's amazing times we live in when it comes to that stuff where they are, you know,

if you can imagine how a guy that was a treasure hunter felt in the 70s when a metal detectors got dropped onto the scene. And it's like all of a sudden you can look under the ground. And it's like, man, we're finding things now. Right. But that white noise, I mean, you know, again, I fell for it. I thought that was just another one of the similar scans. We've been getting tons of lately. Second Sphinx.

And there's a thing in a big old tunnels under the pyramids. Oh, yeah, and there's a maze too is what it seemed like to me. So that's, you know, just from personal experience, it kind of seems like that whole, like I was saying earlier about hiding a needle. in a stack of needles. You just make up as much bullshit as you can and then you just throw whatever you want out there and it just gets lost in the shuffle. So this debate that you did

yesterday with Matt, what was the subject of it? And like, what was the conclusion? Well, it was with Neil Sendlack from a Gnostic informant. And it was about the age of the pyramids. And basically like, basically it was about whether

or not the mainstream's got it, has got it right. or not and like the tweet that that really got me to like be like all right i'll go ahead and challenge i'll go ahead and accept that challenge with this guy as when he said that basically people like myself and graham hancock and jimmy corsetti don't know anything don't even don't have a uh a wikipedia 101 level of knowledge on this stuff and um so that's you know he he came in thinking that i was going to be holding up a 12 000 year old pyramid or whatever or 10,000-year-old pyramid.

And then I'm, you know, like I was saying earlier, 250 years difference. I think that that Sneffreu stole a dynasty in there. That stuff, so he said all this shit in my videos before. But, you know, he kind of came like trying to prove something that was like, yeah, I agree. Coffrey was a, yep, Coffrey built them. Yep, I got no problem with that. It's like, there was, we argued about a few things, but by and large, what we ended up arguing about. Basically, the age of the pyramids.

basically the agent of pyramids. Well, the thing about, like, the mortar, couldn't that mortar have been added later as, like, a restorative project? Yeah, that's, I mean, anywhere where it's accessible. They went out of their way to try to get things that are inaccessible, but if you can get a tool in to extract it, you can get a tool in to place.

To put it there. That was one of the things with one of the other pyramids. There was a piece of wood that was in one of the other pyramids that they dated to way earlier too. And it looked like that wood was there to just, like, prop something up. Or like to, it looked like it was definitely added way later. Yeah.

And even this, there was the wood rod in the Great Pyramid. Like there's a three artifacts that were found in the Great Pyramid that were like in the Queens Chamber behind the wall when a dude busted the rock and found. I forget his name, but the guy saw that there was one of those star shafts and he assumed there would be another one. And back then you didn't have a Zahy-Wass. So people just run around with hammers and gotten Brink, the Gattenbrink door? No, but it's not, it might be the Gat and Brink door. No, I don't think it is a Gat and Brink. It's one of those. It's similar to it, though.

But it had a stone ball, a metal hook, and a wood rod in it. And the wood rod went vanished for a little while. And then when it turned back up, they carbon dated it. And it was a couple hundred years older than the pyramid is supposed to be, like everything else. And, you know, they try to say the old wood hypothesis. I should preface that. These guys, when they talk about that, they say, I think it was old wood. That's where Neil was at yesterday.

Old wood makes sense. This isn't contemporary with this room. We all have chairs at home that are 20 years older than we are, blah, blah, blah. Okay, that's a fair point to a degree. We don't have this problem again in the first dynasty and the sixth dynasty. It's just in that one little spot. And in addition to that, when it comes to the written records, we know that Egypt was importing shitloads of wood from Lebanon at that point.

So if there's ever a time in history when we should, see it in Egypt it should be then because there was no shortage of wood coming in. The dating, that 250 years dating thing is, as, yeah, I like to really hammer at that one because it really does prove that these guys aren't practicing science. They're, they're playing a game over there. What do they think that the function, did they think the pyramid was a tomb? Yep, that was a big part of what we were talking about. He thinks they were just tombs and tombs alone. I think it was part of like a resurrectionary thing. You know, the Egyptians had like 12 gates or 16 I forget how many.

Depends on the dynasty, too. But they believe that you would go through all these different stations of the afterlife. One of them was the wane of the heart against a feather. You've probably seen that one. South weighs your heart against a feather. Yeah. Okay. That's one of these gates.

So I think they emulated these on the ground. And I think that's why Orion, you know the Orion geese correlation that Orion and the three pyramids are, okay. Orion was Osiris. who was the god of the passage of the underworld. So it makes sense they would try to invoke him there. I don't think that any one keen was laid to rest in that pyramid for longer than a set amount of ceremonial time before they were brought to another one and brought to another one, which is why we don't, in the big ones, which is why we don't find bodies in the big ones ever, because they were never left there. It's why the port-clos doors in the great pyramid.

History for Granite did a great video showing how it was made to be open. and closed repeatedly, not just dropped once and never opened again. And I don't make any sense unless you plan on going back. So I think that, I think they actually emulated those gates on the earth when the king died, when the pharaoh died. And I think that's what the pyramids are for. But I've got a lot of goofy theories like that that are kind of more mundane, but still, uh, still, uh, still fall foul of Egyptology, I guess you could say.

Mm. Like, I think the sphinx, for example, was, uh, you know, that, the Ben Ben Stone and the Egyptian creation myth was this primordial mound that came through the water. So like the first stone that comes out of the water. Well, you go back to the Green Sahara period like 10,000, 12,000 years ago. The Sphinx, before it was carved, was just an outcrop of rock that faced due east, caught the rising sun. And it had water that was like between a foot and two feet all around it. So I think it was their primordial mound.

It was connecting water and sky and by its straight alignment. And I think that's why they dug the bottom of it out. It wasn't to facilitate carving paws and stuff. It was to continually bring in water, continually collect water, even as the Sahara started to dry up. It was a ceremonial place. And it got recarved numerous times, in my opinion, and eventually to what we see now.

But when it fell into disuse, it was, in my opinion, because they couldn't get water into it anymore. So it failed as a ceremonial center, no longer did its job. And so the next guys come back a couple centuries later, they clear all the sands, build their little dreamstile in front of it. And now they know the Sphinx, but I don't think that those guys knew the Sphinx at all. I think they were completely in the dark as to what it was really about. Yeah, to me, it just seems like the way that it's constructed and with the different types of stone and just the way the granite is laid. out like in the king's chamber specifically above the king's chamber with those layers of granite

how the tops are perfect and the bottoms are rough and the shafts that don't even go outside there's like literally pieces of limestone blocking the shafts that also connect out potentially could connect outside to these pits it just it seems like it was there it was there for to do a function i i agree um it does and as a matter of fact i mean like i i don't have a problem with Jeffrey's ideas and stuff. We talk to stuff. I get along with the guy well. But I think, you know, the old idea that, well, they'll sing your songs around the campfire forever, right? It's like the immortality in the minds of a lot of people is contingent on being remembered on the earth. And what pyramid, what Egyptian ruler gets his name said more than

Kufu? Nobody. And so what better way to facilitate that? why then build this big old fucking mystery machine. And so again, this is my opinion. And I know a lot of people don't share it, but it's kind of Occam's a razor rate. I don't, and I'm not saying they didn't, again, I think if we watched them build it, we'd be blown away. But I don't, I have a more mundane reasoning for it.

I don't just say it's just spirituality. I've got it fleshed out and it can explain why I think what I do. But these are the kind of things that. Yeah, they definitely, they didn't think the way we think. Oh, no, not at all. Right? Like, our brains aren't even living in the same context that theirs were. No, you see that a lot with the ancients when they talk about nature and stuff.

And they use these natural metaphors. You're like, fuck, I'm so far removed from that. I don't know what the hell he's talking about. I was a Boy Scout. Right, right. And who knows also, like, what kind of fucking drugs they were taking that were showing them, like, quantum layers of the universe that were teaching them, like, who knows? Who knows? We have no fucking clue.

And you're going to have people right now going, oh, you take drugs at Universal. I forget the dude's name, the guy that sequenced the fucking DNA that first figured out human genome. He was on acid when he figured it out. Yeah. And a great one that I like to talk about.

Is that Kerry Mullis? I'm not, I can't remember the name. He won a Nobel Prize. That probably is true. For this guy, we might not be talking about the same one, but Carrie Mullis won a prize for a no. He, uh,

Carrie Mullis, he created the PCR test. No, you're thinking of different people. Well, you know, like fractals were hippie shit for the longest time. That was just, man, fractals, dude, check it out. And then some dudes, like, makes a cell phone antenna out of fractals, and it's, like, way better than anything else. And all of a sudden, it's like, not only does it change the way you look at fractals,

it's like all this talk of sacred geometry that they just knee jerk at, it's like, well, a shape can be magic, can't it? Maybe we should. And like to go to the drugs when they're like, oh, you, geez, Graham Hancock eats a bunch of drugs, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And what is he? It's like, okay, the people that built that pyramid over there that designed it, especially in like in South America, were they on ayahuasca?

Okay, so if I'm trying to interpret what they were about, and I don't do ayahuasca, you can have a hell of a time understanding Cheech and Chong if you don't smoke weed, buddy. Dude, have you seen this? There is a vessel that, was taken from ancient Egypt and it's in the University of Tampa and it's called the cup of Bess and they just analyzed it about two years ago and they found all kinds of crazy shit in this cup it was like human bodily fluids like vaginal fluid

water like a Egyptian here it is show us the description okay here you go drinking vessel in the shape of the cup of in the shape of bess um where does it say it like it was from in the description of it and all that so they analyze go up they analyzed the proteins and metabolites using genetic tech or yeah genetic techniques and a synchrotron radiation based fourier transformed infrared microspectroscopy the authors found that the mug contained residues of psychotropic substances that included Paganum, Harmala, known as the Harmel and Rizian Roo, Nimfia, Nuchali Var,

Blue Water Lily. And they also found evidence of human blood, bodily fluids, such as oral or vaginal mucus, and breast milk. And this Egyptian mug. You know, we got no idea what kind of shit these people were consuming, bro. Yeah, no, we don't. So six, the vessel in the shape of best played an important part in the cult all the way from the 16th century BC to the fifth century C.E. Do they say when this mug was, they can't carbon date it, right?

They're saying that this particular example dates to the third century BC. You know, they probably could, maybe they could date the fluids in there. Yeah, maybe. This vaginal fluid smells like. Yeah, were they able to date any of that crap? When's the Patalamic Roman period? The Potomac period is the Greek occupation and the Roman periods, the Roman occupation. Scholars have speculated that they may have been used to hold holy water, wine, beer,

and that cult members drunk from them, but the residue of their contents has rarely been studied until now. And we know for a fact that there was like ancient rites and rituals going on in like ancient Greek and Greece and Rome, where they were consuming all kinds of crazy stuff like ergot lit laced wine and beer and stuff like that and you know that could be where like fucking all this biblical shit came from people just tripping their balls off very well could be very well could be i mean they they even ate mummies back then like up until not too long ago they would a good chunk of the mummies that were in the record are completely gone and were eaten hundreds of years ago we know they were eating the mummy They were even like as far back as I think the 12th century.

Oh my God. So like, yeah, 11th through 18th century. Medical cannibalism. From the 11th through the 18th centuries, Europeans practice medical cannibalism, consuming ground up. Okay, they ground it up at least. Egyptian mummies.

Maybe they made tea out of it or something. After they isolated the cocaine. Yeah. They believed that they contained mystical healing power. Yeah, they were doing all kinds of fucked up shit back then, bro. It's crazy. And so, yeah. They were doing vivisections.

Brain surgeries, all kinds. On a lot of fucking prisoners to figure out how the human body worked. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You didn't want to get in trouble in Egypt, like I was saying about that miscut on the, on that big block. You didn't want that kind of thing you don't want to get in trouble doing, man. It didn't just cut your head off in these place, right? Yeah. Yeah, you're going to suffer.

which is, you know, it's an unfortunate reality. That's all the way up until recent times. You know, it's a funny thing I like to amuse about is the way that they think that genetics have a memory, kind of a genetic memory. Yeah. How many generations did the powers that be just fucking annihilate people when they fell a foul of the law? It would put you on the wheel and just bust you to shit or scafism or all kinds of crazy shit. And then nowadays it's like people are scared of death to go to jail, even though they're just going to, give me food and put me in a room.

And it's like this same, like this primal fear of falling to foul of the authority. I just wonder if some of that doesn't come from, I almost wonder if they didn't know what they were doing to a degree. I'm not saying they understood DNA, but understood how to, you know, husbandry, right? How to breed something in the right direction. Yeah. Yeah. It's insane.

The history. And maybe one day we'll be able to develop like a time machine. We go back in time and watch how the pyramids are built. Go, go check it out in the bad. in the Vatican archives. They got the little magic mirror. They say you just watch. A magic mirror. It's like a magic. It's supposedly like a time machine you can just watch in the Vatican Archives. Really? I haven't heard this one. Yeah, I'm sure that it's bullshit. But I mean, didn't you do something on the, on the Ark of the Covenant? Yeah, I've talked about it a little bit. Yeah. It's, uh, the Arch of the Covenant's interesting. It's, you know, I mean, I don't think that it generated electricity. But, uh, I don't know what wall was inside of it. On the flip side, it is really interesting.

interesting, you know, as Graham Hancock points out, Moses goes up to get the Ten Commandments. He goes up to Mount Sinai and he comes down and the history reset or the Bible says he was angry because everybody was worshiping a golden calf. So he broke the stones on the ground. But he goes up again and meets God and comes back down again with these tablets. And this time his face shone and he had to be covered up like his face was glowing light. And didn't happen the first time he met God. So that's a little, as Graham Hancock points out in fingerprints of the gods, it's interesting.

It's almost like maybe he was finding something that was radioactive or who knows what, something that was goofy. But so the Ark of the Covenant could have all kinds of different things that it could have been. But in all honesty, I think it was more than anything else. I think it was just something that Moses copied from the Egyptians. Now, what the Egyptians had going on with our, is I would give them a lot more credence than I would Moses, but um, Moses was most people, most like scholars, like historical classicists and, um,

scholars on this shit. Don't even think Moses was a real person. Yeah, he's like a, uh, a cult leader or like, excuse me, like a, uh, I think he was like a made up character. Yeah, like a, uh, John from is to the, uh, to the, uh, cargo cults. Mm-hmm. John from, I'm John from. Right.

Oh, John from where? Right, yes. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And I mean, I would agree with that. But there was definitely a lot of iconography. A lot of stuff that, I mean, the ark is an Egyptian idea.

There's arcs all over. There's the arc of Horace. It's much cooler looking than the arc on Indiana Jones, if you ask me. Really? Yeah, yeah. The Ark of Horace? The Ark of Horace. I haven't seen that.

I'm sure Steve will find it. He's pretty ninja-like. But, yeah, the Egyptians had a bunch of arcs. and it wasn't that's cool like I say way fucking cooler than the regular

aren't going to come in it in my opinion oh wow um but like they think these were made to emulate like the solar barks

yeah that's possibly these people believed in magic yeah just a little another thing is those doorways too like a lot of those doorways that are everywhere all over the ancient world of these like stones

they like, they look like they remind me of like the portals in Minecraft, you know? Yeah, I know. It's a weird thing because on the one hand, it's like, you know, none of the Stargate talk seems to have jumped up around the pyramids and stuff until Stargate the movie coming out, which is a little bit of a red flag in my mind. But at the same time, it's like all of these things that are, why would you carve these fake doors? This is a lot of work.

I think that's one thing that really discount, it gets discounted a lot by academics, just how fucking hard it is to make a lot of these things. And so you make three fake doors, for example, and that's weeks of work, hundreds and thousands potentially even of man hours go into that. And so you would think there's probably some sort of a reason. Yeah. But I guess like if your belief was strong enough,

and these guys, these people really did believe in these, these like cosmic powers or these omnipotent gods who can literally control the weather and control whether you live or die, I can imagine that they would go to, you know, the feat of crafting something over 20 years like that if they really believe that, you know? Yeah, I have no problem with that. It's not that crazy. No, it's not that crazy at all. It doesn't have to be, it doesn't have, you don't, we don't, I don't think we have to distill everything that we see back then to a, like, materialistic view.

No. Because right now, everything we do, and we put time and money into materialist things now. I don't think it's reasonable to say that they only did that back then. I agree. I think that on the flip side of that, we have a lot of, how do you put it, a lot of ideas around these things. It's always, they're always esoteric. It's spiritual. We find writings.

We wonder what is the great meaning? And now if you look around this room and you see the writings of what there was a great meeting, advertising, advertising, advertising, advertising, advertising. So it doesn't stand to reason that some of these inscriptions that we're like, man, I wonder what gods that we're talking about was just eat at Joe's. You know, it's just, I think a lot of times that we put more into it. And then to go the other way, if this is your business, how much effort would you put into building it?

20 years isn't too long, especially if it's going to be a dynasty thing, right? I'm going to give this to my kids and their kids and their kids. Yeah, we put a lot of effort into it. So I think that, I think we have to keep kind of our feet. The ancients did think about things a lot differently than we do, but there's also, I'll guarantee you that there was a caveman, more than one caveman that was denying the existence of God's 50,000 years ago. I was there on the hill the day Grogh got killed and there was no fucking God there.

I'm sure that this has been being said forever in a day. Just like I was saying earlier, there's always people that are always going to believe. There's always people that are going to be, no, man, no. You know, the Bible remembers Thomas for being a doubter, right? One of Jesus's disciples and when Jesus is resurrected, he's like, yeah, I'll believe it when he puts this, I can put my fingers in his hands and stick my hand into his side. And then what the spearhole was supposed to be. And then according to the Bible, Jesus presents himself to Thomas.

And here's my hands, here's my side. But the point is even one of Jesus's twirling, 12 big faith head disciples was skeptical as fuck. And that's, that's kind of normal, man. That's, you know, he fool me once, right?

Right. So, anyway, I think that the ancient mysteries are something that it's difficult for us to, to suss, because we always end up that pendulum swing. It's either this or it's that or,

you know, a lot of these things like, like a lot of people, there's, I'm trying to think of this symbol, where they argue about whether or not it's, Oh, it go Beckley-Tepi, the iconography, whether or not some of these represent words or whether they're just a picture of an animal. And it's like, can it be both?

And I opened up at the beginning of this book and there was the S and the first page and it was all artistically flourished to look like a snake. That's not uncommon, right? Right. So I think a lot of those kinds of things, it gets really difficult if we don't know the culture. But I think a lot of those kinds of things we really need to look at from as many different perspectives as possible. That's why I think, you know, archaeoastronomy is a field, I imagine, where they, and I think that's a really important one that's heavily overlooked by not just archaeologists, but by people in general, because it's, it seems weird, but it seems backwards. And ultimately, I would, I would be slow to hang my hat on most archaeoastronomy theories and stuff. I'd be slow to say, that's 100%. But what they offer is a totally different potential,

potential answer. It's completely out of left field. And in all honesty, when it comes to things that the ancients were concerned with, it would be sex, food, stars, life and death. I mean, what did you do after your day was done? You watch the heavens and then you find out that the stars change, the earth changes. And then you end up with your first generation of guys that don't do anything for work. They just sit up on top of the hill and they're an astronomer. I'm not telling anybody I'll have to look one day a week. They don't. I don't need to know that and fucking teach my kid that, but send those chicks up here, send some food.

And this just extrapolates all the way into the modern day. I think that that's the reason that people believe in the horoscope. Is that same fundamental belief that Grock can tell the future because he was looking at the stars and he knows. He told us when the herds were going to come back and he was right. He told us when the plant and he was right. And so I think that people like one size fits all rules. Yes.

They really like so you can tell the future by the stars. let's go. But it's sad, but what do you do? Yeah. People are people. Yes, they are totally. Hold that thought. I got to get to be real quick.

Oh, yeah, yeah. We'll be right back. What we were saying about like some of these ancient texts and stuff and like using it to like verify claims of archaeology and archaeology working with text to sort of corroborate. I think it's important that like you have these different disciplines that can corroborate things together, you know, or at least get as close to the truth. as possible to find some sort of commonality between all the different things, right? Like the archaeology, the DNA studies or the carbon dating that also can correspond. Like find some texts that also corroborate it too, you know? Like when people like, it's fine if it's fine if this is like this is your religion, like,

that's fine. If you want to believe that and that makes you a better person more power to you. But if you want to claim this is like an absolute fact and everyone should agree with it, you have to have a lot of more corroboration between multiple disciplines, you know? I completely, I couldn't agree more. It's like the whole, like what we were talking about earlier with the Moses thing or even like Ezekiel. There's not any contemporary texts outside of the Bible that say anything about these people. Who is his physician?

Who was his son? Who was his doctor? Who is his lawyer, right? We have, for all the other people in history that we know were real, we have texts that corroborate people that they were. or in association with, right? And multiple authors also talking about them. But like when it comes to people like Ezekiel or Moses, there's none.

They're only in that one canon. There's no other corroboration of these people ever existing. And the analogy that I think is great to describe this would be like 2,000 years from now, people are claiming that Gandalf was real. And how do we know that? Because there's this divinely inspired trilogy called the Lord of the Rings that says he lives in the center of the earth.

Yeah, exactly. That's pretty good. But that is, I completely agree with you there. It's unfortunate, but it's hard for us to peer back and to pierce the veil. And it takes, like I was saying about Archeostromeda, it takes all these different angles and stuff. And it's, without those different angles, without, first of all, you have to accept there's a mystery. If you don't accept there's a mystery, I say this a lot because atheists love to say if you, If you say that God did it, you're worthless to me in the lab. And it's like, well, I'll take a step further, buddy, the minute you say the science is settled,

the minute you say we know you're worthless in the lab. But like I'll give you an example from myself that promote my own crap. I've got a theory on the Baghdad battery that's more in line with what Jeffrey would think. The Baghdad. Explain with that, yeah. Yeah, the Baghdad battery is the pot that was found in Baghdad. It's a couple thousand years old. it's got a copper

tube that encloses a iron rod the iron rod's pitted some people have claimed that there is like vinegar residue inside of it it's been stolen it disappeared in like 2003

from the alphabet boys grabbed the thing and when they went over to Iraq so I'm sure that it's totally not on a rich dude's shelf somewhere but anyway they think it the fact is that that that setup would be a galvanic cell. That could work as a galvanic cell

if you filled that with an electrolyte, which vinegar would work. What's a galvanic cell? A galvanic cell is a type of battery that converts chemical, all batteries convert chemicals into electricity, right? Okay.

In this one, the way that it works is the copper is called the cathode. And the copper draws, basically it creates kind of like a vacuum where it makes, it wants electrons to come to it. So the iron starts shedding electrons,

and that flow of electrons creates electricity. That's what electricity literally is, the flow of electrons. So the thing is, the copper grows and the iron shrinks. So if you were to, instead of using a vinegar as your electrolyte, if you were to use, say, the acidic runoff from a mine that had gold and silver in it, the galvanic cell the way it functions it'll separate those metals noble from non-noble so at the bottom you would get a sludge that would be iron and magnesium and nickel and then on the cathode on the copper itself you would get copper mercury gold and silver so i don't think that these things were made to create electricity i think that somebody figured out that if you put copper and iron in acidic mine runoff that the coin that the that the copper will peel the gold out. And then take the next step,

the iron piece is pitted. It gets smaller. And then gold magically appears inside. I bet you they thought this was alchemy. I bet you this is where the idea of that comes from. Wow. That's pretty crazy. And to dovetail with this, the other things that the debunkers say,

there's other jars that have similar components, but they're not arranged the same. And they have scrolls inside. So the debunkers say this is probably just a scroll jar. But in those, the scrolls are always esoteric. Some of them directly talking about alchemy. So it seems to me like this was, it seems to me way more likely that this was what it was used for than to power some electrical device we have yet to discover. Right.

People wanting to, all you had to do would be drop a piece of iron and a piece of copper in some of that mine runoff. Like I say, come back two days later and that copper will show you the magic. It's like discovering cheese. what it's pretty easy to do. And once it's done, you just don't tell anybody. Just hide it because you're over there, 20 jars over there mining gold for me. Wow.

So anyway. That makes sense. And thank you. And I think, honestly, I think it falls in better alignment with Occam's razor and with the data we have in the record. But it took not disregarding the fact that this could have been a battery.

I couldn't just need jerk and say, ah, that fucking inkist didn't have electricity. That's stupid. I had to actually look at it and say, Okay, well, what we got here? Let's think about this. Okay. Dave Farina is a chemist. He should have known this.

He's done videos on Galvanic cells. Has he done videos on this thing? No. No. No. But had he done a video on it, it would probably been like Milo Rosses, where he just talked shit about it. And the thing is, if you take a little time, there's no reason I should have come up

with this idea before he did, except for I didn't just need jerk and say, this is stupid. And again, he's done videos on. galvanic cells straight up so yeah anyway it's um it's an unfortunate reality but the denial of mystery is one of the biggest cock blockers to us learning more right we already know and the mysteries are the things that get filled with like the unexplainable stuff right would people like to fill that hole with god or aliens typically and as long as they're not using either one of these two to go whoop up on their neighbor i don't really have a problem with that right i won't consider it um as robust of a you know line of evidence and without some evidence but you know i'm i'm open like we were talking about

with the aliens and stuff man you know do you go back to the ancient stuff and i'm like okay yeah before the cia got to play fuckery i'm 100% on this is well here's my favorite part about geoffrey drum's theory which seems mundane on surface level it seems very explainable right it seems it doesn't seem as crazy as free interoper right because it's extracting natural resources from the earth for things that we do today metallurgy and agriculture so and he doesn't he he he he points out that you can make this leap but he doesn't make the leap if we wanted to and NASA has said this if we wanted to inhabit Mars or inhabit any other planet. What we have to do is we have to establish manufacturing, utilizing the native resources

of that planet before we go there, because we can't just bring shit. We have to be able to make shit there utilizing the natural resources. So if some civilization came here and they wanted to set up shop here, that's what the first thing, according to NASA, that they would do is figure out how to extract the natural resources in order to survive here. So there's a nice little bridge there for the ancient aliens people. And that's cool. You know, I honestly, you know, I do a lot of what you could even call it apologists. I know that a lot of debunkers would.

But I think a lot of this stuff, the people, they're not skeptical, they're cynical. And I'm skeptical. So I don't like it when the people take my word and fucking tarnish it. Like a great example of this. The idea that Mars had life on it a billion years ago is something they just laugh at and laugh at and laugh at and laugh at. Oh, that's the stupidest. I think most scientists agree with that. Now they finally got to the point.

But I'm sorry, intelligent life. We say like the idea that there was intelligent life on Mars. A lot of times I jumps into the whole pan-spermia thing, right? Like you jump, okay. They treat that as just the stupidest thing on the planet. But these same people will believe that there's life elsewhere in the universe. They'll believe that there's intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. There's got to be on one of those planets.

Okay. what planet has better odds than the one right across the street than the one with tardigrades? You fucking tell me. Right across the street, literally. Literally. If there's a planet out there with better odds, you let me know. In the meantime, calling this stupid is cynical. It's not skeptical.

It's bullshit. It's grifting. It's selling a fake bill of goods. You guys are smart because you agree with me on this, but in reality, this is a really fucking stupid position to hold. And you can be skeptical of it. say, well, we don't have any evidence for that. That's fine. Saying this is stupid, there's no way this could happen. No, that's stupid, man. That's not, especially when, like I just pointed out, oh, across the universe, sure, just not next to us with all of our lives. They don't

even know, we don't even know how rare aobigenesis is. We don't know if it's a one-off. I mean, that's an assumption that it happens in other places, but we don't know for sure. What is that? Abiodenesis is like life from non-life, like the origins of DNA and RNA and the first cells and all that. We don't know how rare that is. And so from a purely scientific perspective, you know, if you believe in God, it's a whole lot easier to put that one into being wherever you want. But if you're just, just expecting nature to do it,

we don't know how often. So being in close proximity could be the only way. We could be the only rock with life on it for all we know. So, yeah, anyway, that kind of thing, it's funny to me. It's like it's backwards. it's it's not it's it comes from not thinking it through and but be claiming that you are being intelligent and i'm i know better and you just knee jerk but you need jerk with your fucking lab code on so now it's not a de jerk this is science it's like now are you aware the xenon 129

that they found on mars what so it's an isotope i believe xenon xenon 129 that they discovered on Mars that I think it like really like blew a lot of people's perspectives out of the water. They found that there because we know that we found it here. And the only place that we find it on Earth is at ground zero of nuclear tests when we detonate nukes. I remember hearing evidence for nukes on Mars. Yeah. And there's a whole, there's a whole big theory on how there was like an ancient nuclear war on

Mars. NASA's Curiosity rover analyzed atmospheric gases, finding that Mars has an unexpectedly high abundance of Xenon 129. The discovery has helped scientists piece together the history of the red planet's atmosphere and geological evolution. You know, if it's like the idea as if the universe is expanding and like the planets are moving away from the sun, right?

That at one point, Earth was more like Venus is now and Mars was more like Earth is now and there could have been life there. and over billions of years, maybe they hopped from Mars to here. Yeah. Either on purpose or an accident. Yeah. And that's not, you know, it's not completely outside the realms of possibility.

So like the face on Mars never got me going as much as the pyramids and stuff. Right. That does get me looking a little bit more. And it's always funny because then again, you get put in that tinfoiled nutter club. And it's like, dude, this stuff is. It's just so funny that people get just disregard this stuff. And that, again, it blocks the inquiry. How do you solve a mystery you don't admit is there?

You don't. You just fucking pretend it doesn't happen. And so you're just la, la, la, la, la. And nobody knows then. And the people that we task with, the people that we pay with, the people we put in positions of power, that the government slaps their red stamp of approval on, and they get their white lab coat,

and they stand in front of all the people. These guys, when they do that, when they need your, and stuff, man. You know, they're humans. I get that their ego is going to get involved. I don't expect it not to. However, if I go spit in a cop's face and he breaks my fucking nose, he's going to lose his badge because he's expected not to let his ego get between him

and his job. If you can't do that, don't be a cop. If you can't do that, don't be a scientist. If you're not capable of separating yourself from your work to the point that you're going to muddle your work with your thoughts. I mean, dude, maybe you go flip burgers. And then you have the parts of science that are protected by the national security state

and where they have to have clearances. And like, a great example would be how there's images that are brought in through like the biggest telescopes that we have on Earth that have to get cleared through the Pentagon before they're able to be made public. So like what... I'm not surprised. Like what sort of astronomy is out there?

What sort of studies of the moon or the Mars are already out there that before they're made public to us have to get passed by the fucking CIA and the Pentagon? Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah, that's nuts. I mean, historically, the best scientists that we've ever had have been working for the government, for the purpose of war. And maintaining us, the United States is the dominant superpowers.

power in the world. Best scientists that Germans had were working for us too. Yeah, we got fucking Nazis, dude. We got half of them anyway. Yeah. The ones of the Soviets didn't throw into gulags. Right. That's one really funny. I watched that thing a few years ago on Netflix and it was showing the American in space race side by side. And like

we've got our Nazi that we've, Werner von Braun and he's over there making his rockets and he's got all this and then it shows the Soviet dude and he'd ran a foul of one of his superior. So like five years before. So he's been in a gulag for like five years.

Oh, God. Right off the path. It's night and fucking day. And then, yeah, their, their whole setup, it was like a lot like their World War II reputation of just throw bodies at it. Just throw bodies at it. Yeah. Well, there's allegedly, like, there's allegedly, there's stories of, like,

legit people who have, like, blown the whistle on seeing images from satellites of, like, ancient structures on the back side of the moon. Yeah, I can believe that. And, you know, like, what would happen if that was made public? And, like, oh, my God, these structures on the fucking moon resemble these things in Egypt or that we have here. What does that mean? Yeah, they don't even want to discuss the cross-continental contact, like the cocaine

mummies we were talking about, like the elongated skulls. If you look up a map of the distribution of artificially modified craniums, it's like all on the coast. and all of the world, by the way. And this blew my mind when I started digging into it, just how covered up this was. Like the Pacific Northwest, like I was saying earlier, it's got one of the highest concentrations.

Lewis and Clark reported one grave site with 3,000 above ground burials that were all elongated skulls. And like there's thousands of them up in there. But nobody ever talks about it. You don't ever hear about it. Like wandering wolf, Mike Collins, his producer, Sammy Lee, went to the University of Oregon

and studied Native American history for like two years right there where they were doing that shit. And she never learned about it. Wow. They kind of just cover it up. And if you look at those maps like I was talking about, there's a map from like 1938, and it shows a distribution of artificially modified creatiums around the world.

And then there's a map from 2019 that shows the same thing. And the more modern map is missing every Pacific. island. It's missing huge swaths of the United States. It's missing parts of Asia. It's missing parts of it. Because science loses information as it progresses, apparently. It's the telephone game. It's a cover up. There's very few times I will say it, but this one point blank, like I was saying about the skulls that Rockefeller had, you can't see them. They don't know, they don't have, they're on the island of Newey. They had artificially modified schools. One of them was 96% as wide as it is tall. There's no measurements, no photographs. And if you want,

to see it, you're going to have to go to the island, too, I forget it's, maybe it's in Maori, but there's a museum. And this is a thing, is a bunch of these museums that they say they're doing it for cultural sensitivity, but it's a ball European-owned modern Western world museums. And the cultural sensitivity argument doesn't wash with me. It's like, you know, if we're, they say they don't want their spirits captured by a photograph or a drawing or some such shit and it's that the Amish don't some of the Amish believe that but their Amish next door don't so how is it that in Dutch Pennsylvania there's a disparity of opinion on this shit but the entire Pacific Ocean feels the same

way the there's and it's in numerous places Hawaii you ever heard of elongated skulls in Hawaii probably not but 8.6% of the ancient skulls that were studied are elongated are artificially modified not not crazy elongated, not like the ones in Peru. Can you find some images of these? No, you can't. You can find record of it. That's what I'm saying. I've got a book that I put, you could find, you can see these, notice everything you're

getting to Paracas. You get every now and again, you'll get one from China. And I've got a book that is from the Smithsonian from 1960 called the Chinook Sign of Freedom. And it's the artificial, like con comely, C-O-N-C-O-M. M-L-Y was the Chinook Chief. He had an elongated skull. He spoke with Lewis and Clark. He was well-known, well-respected.

And they take his image, the images of the skull off the internet. Now, I've put him in my, like, my channel page on my YouTube and my channel members and my patron supporters, but I can't put him out in the mainstreamer. They're just going to take it down. That book is out of production. You can't find it. And this is all over. It's like the amount of these artificially modified skulls that you see in the record,

when you read the Explorer account stuff, it's all over, but it's all coastal, almost all coastal, not quite, but almost all coastal. Why is that? In my mind, probably because they were in contact with each other. And that's why I think they're hiding this stuff, because it's the same as they don't want us to know about pyramids on Mars. Any of these implications, and here's the thing, I don't think this is like some big top, down kind of thing. I think honestly, a lot of this stuff is just one or two people making a decision

and then other people falling into lockstep because he's the influencer or whatever, right? Right. So, but yeah, there's definitely, I am slow to say 100%. There's a cover up on something, but this one, they flat tell you, yeah, we've got the skulls. You can't see them. What is the conventional explanation to why they were doing that to their skull, like doing that?

They usually consider it the same thing as like ritual scarring. or tattooing. But I got a different theory, of course. The ones that were found in China, they're like in the 60s. They're about 10,000 years old, and they were mistaken, for about 30 years, they were mistaken for crow magnin skulls. They look a lot like the ones that were in the Pacific Northwest. So it seems to me like some of these guys were trying to emulate chrome magnets.

It's a pretty safe place to start. If the experts are mistaken in for crow magnin, maybe that's what they were trying for. And so then you look at the 90s, the ones that are really wide, you see some. some of those in the record, the Stewie Griffin, I jokingly call it. But these ones are same kind of thing. It's like they could be homo-hohovolous or something like that that they're trying to emulate. But then you get to the Peruvian ones and it's like, well, I mean, Neanderthal had a little bit of a cone head compared to us,

but that's some Sigourney-Weaver-looking shit right there. So again, to open the door to the ancient alien guys, it's like it looks like they were emulating something here. It looks like they were emulating something there. Maybe they were emulating your aliens over here, boys. I don't know. Yeah, maybe they were seen aliens. They thought they were gods and they wanted to emulate the gods.

Or it could be so many things. It could just be like one that they were smart. They show up and it's like they teach people stuff and whatnot. And, you know, one smart dude. They put a wig on? Or is that the real hair? No. That's the baby from Peru.

Yeah. That's real hair. Wow. But yeah, if you look, what are the ones if you check fucking crazy dude if you type in C-O-N Yeah they would have to start doing this at

early in life when the skull's still soft The explorers that saw In that Chief Con Columnies The explorers that saw that Chinook that did it It's in the beginning of that book One dude wrote down and said that The side of the baby was hideously funny

it was like its eyes bulged from the bandages like a mouse caught in a trap. Oh. Could you imagine doing that to your kid? Oh. So it's like they had a pretty good reason for doing it. God, dude. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's pretty, I mean, it's pretty crazy. But, you know, it's one of the things that's funny is these guys down in Paracas, down in Peru, those schools are huge compared to most of what we see in the rest of the world. And that's, I mean, there wasn't the biggest things I hammer at with the conspiracy, with the cover, with the Rockefeller cherry-picked four or five of the best ones of those from Paracas. Now, if just for argument's sake, if one of these had three eyes and horns hanging out of it, do you think he left it there? Do you think he fucking took it?

So if Brian Forrester's over there go, man, I need to measure the cranial capacity of this one and see how big its orbital sockets are. I'm like, yeah, you really need to measure the one we don't have. Because that one's probably cooler, almost certainly cooler. And that's where it gets really fucked. 96% wide as it is tall? Can't find it. You found out there was a whole bunch of them going up here? Can't find it.

We know that there were people doing it down there. We put it in the museum and you can't see it. It's like you look. And then Paracas is even crazier because Paracas does show you everything except for the ones that Rockefeller took. It's like they funnel you over here to the ancient aliens one. They don't leave you over to talk about the ones that are more. mundane. Everything's funneled over towards Paracas and then, yeah, then they can put tinfoil

hats on all of us and ignore us like we're talking about the Hillary Clinton email. It's like another tinfoil hat uncle. Yeah, totally. So the Brian Forster guy you just mentioned, what is his overall, like, what's his whole thing? Oh, he thinks they're aliens. He thinks that some of them were alien. But what is he known for? He's known for these elongated skulls. He's known for the elongated skulls. I thought he was connected to Atlantis for some reason. Well, to a degree, but he's the guy that I mentioned earlier that did like the tours in Cusco and stuff of those tunnels. Okay.

He's been down there for a long time looking into this stuff. And he's probably more popular, more known than anybody else for bringing those skulls to bear as to the public. Him and David Childress, the guy from ancient aliens. I don't know if you know him. But those two, they co-authored a book together. And then since then, Brian's world, a couple on his own. but so what is your overall view on atlantis because when when flint was here out of all the things he explained to me i seem to agree with him on his view of atlantis his his overall view of it

okay well my overall view is the story of atlantis is the greek version of a broader myth um like uh compare we'll start with a biblical version and the greek version of the flood in the Greek version, they're a democratic society that was a bunch of warrior poets that used the same oric-alcum precious metal on the walls of their temples. It was stuffed the Greeks valued. And then the biblical version of it, it was all about God. One monotheism, you worship the one true God, all these Nephilim and all these demons, they're all fucked. And this is the one true God saves Noah. It's like a cultural lens applied to something that the ancients seem to have taken for granted happened.

And I think that's where a lot of people get hung up with like, I'm looking at the Rye shot structure. I'm looking over here. I'm looking over here. If we all got wiped out now and 20,000 years from now, scientists were looking back. They would call us like they do the Clovis culture, see from shining sea. I'm sure that people spoke the same language in New York and in California. They'd call us the electronics people.

They've just been, and then they lumped us in with the goddamn French, right? So, I mean, that's how, that's how bad it gets, right? But so, but seriously, I mean, that's, that's how it would be viewed. So I think, like, I think, I think Easter Island's a great smoking gun place for them. Like, they'd have almost, at my opinion, about 90% chance that there was something there before the floods. On Easter Island? On Easter Island. And one of the biggest reasons I say that is because of the local, you know what Access Mundy is?

like a world naval. It's an idea that this is the first, this is the center of the earth. This is the place where the umbilical cord of God touched the earth, and this is where it began to grow from. Whoa. Okay. This is a universal concept.

You see that the Oracle Adelae was one. The dome of the rock is one. There is one in India, but I forget. They're always centrally located. Sox-sehu-I-Mahn was one. They're always centrally located to a culture, except Easter Island's got one. one and Easter Island is the far-flung corner of the Polynesian Empire. But if you lower the sea

levels, right, it would connect. Not what didn't connect, but it becomes a centrally located island in a big chain of islands that stretches from the Americas to Asia. It's right over the, right before you get to the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, it would actually be kind of the waypoint before the furthest jump of that journey. Can you find like a topographical ocean map of Easter Island, like around Easter Island between Easter Island and like South America and see like what the elevations are of the seafloor that's interesting so it would be like a connecting

island chain yeah it's close enough that you could see some of them and easily sail to all of them right it would be and and all of a sudden it's very centrally located so to me that right there is a big smoking gun for not only the fact that we have this idea all around the world but the fact of

where it is on East Island specifically where it is in the Polynesian world specifically and then there's actually their myths talk about when they found the place. Like they resettled it in about a thousand years ago and their myths talk about how they were looking for it. And the king saw it in a dream. And then he sent people out to go get all these different foods

and then they went there. And it actually is interesting, even though it's a thousand years ago, it proves something that they wanna say it wasn't true. Not only they find human DNA going both directions from Easter Island into South America and South American DNA in Easter Island and spreading out into Polynees,

Asia, but in the lowest habitable layer, which is the oldest archaeological layer that they know of on Easter Island, there's all these obsidian blades, and they had sweet potato and ginger and some other crops as well. But sweet potato is native to the Americas. Ginger's native to Asia. These guys were definitely in contact with both a thousand. No question. And you still don't get to hear about this, none, but the science is settled, as they like to say. But no, the size is pretty conclusive.

There is, there was content. And it only makes sense. I mean, come on. If the guys found Easter Island out in the middle of fucking ocean, how could they not find a gigantic landmass that's equal as far away to the other side? That's, the stuff doesn't make any sense to me. It's like, people think they just, oh, they just explore and stop. Is that how, is that, I mean, to me, the whole sailing across the ocean is the first time a kid and his dad got in a fight and the kid's like, fuck you, I'm going to get on a boat and take off.

That is on, buddy. like that. Yeah. I just find the chain of transmission for Plato's Atlanta's interesting. Oh, yeah. There's not a lot. Oh, that middle one's interesting. No, above that. Yeah, there's a better, you just get a better version with three little maps. I was going to see, if you could just use the, you could just look for a map of. Oh, yeah, look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. See what I mean I'm saying? Yeah, that could totally be an island chain.

If the sea level was much lower? Yeah. And... Let me refresh. It's like zoomed in and one's in a third. There you go. Better resolution. Oh, yeah.

And so, yeah, you can see like it... It's a... It's just the tallest peak out of all of them, right? Yeah. And where it would be located. Like, that's right. That next little jaunts to the left is the mid-Atlantic ridge. There's like a little empty spot there.

And that's the biggest jump you'd have to make. And how far is this? from Hawaii. Oh, I'm not sure how far from Hawaii. It's like a few thousand miles from America, but I don't know how far it is from Hawaii proper. There you go. Hawaii's way north. Look at that. Yeah. God, really, that's like that's a long distance. Yeah. So the distance between Easter Island and South America is about half the distance between Easter Island and Hawaii. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? That is so crazy. And, and, and, And yeah, so then...

How crazy is it how much of this fucking planet is under the underwater? Oh, man. Oh, man. That's so much of this planet's underwater. And so much is unexplored. And that's where, you know, in the debate with Flint, that was one of the things that had in the aftermath, they got Graham and to say there was no evidence.

No evidence for his lost civilization as a sound bite they throw around. But he was specifically, if you read the transcript or watch a video, He's specifically talking about continental shelves, Africa, and South America. So he's talking about exactly this. There's all this land underwater. But that sound bite has been clipped down to by Flint himself and others. It's been clipped down to just there's no evidence for what he believes. The Graham's just walking around talking shit.

And it's funny that, again, it's like these guys are trying to take and package this debunking as a, almost as a product, and they don't care if they're lying or not. And you can take, you can take all kinds of people out of context. I don't know if you ever watch Norm McDonald's comedy at all, but like he has this great bit where he talks about Hitler's dog. And he's like, you know, he's like, well, nobody's got cameras on him, right? Okay. And then he goes into about how the dog would run up to Herman Green, go, hey, where's Hitler?

Where's Hitler? And Green would say, oh, you know, he's off doing some evil shit. He'll be back. And he's like, well, you're all right, Green. but that Adolf Hitler was the best man who ever lived. And things like, and this is why I didn't want you to have phones. Because you clip that out.

And now it's, but that's exactly what they do in order to make their case. And in this day and age of fucking clickbait one minute long, TikToks don't get watched all the way through. And come on, you can just tell people whatever the hell you want. Show them half a sentence. And I'm like,

uh-huh, uh-huh. Right. Next. Right. Next. Consume nothing. Get stupider.

Next. Yeah, but it's easy to see like with the whole chain of transmission of the Plato story, it's very interesting, right? Because like I agree with you, like there's so many more myths, flood myths that corroborate that are run parallel to the Atlanta story that seemed to be making a pretty strong connection to it. The Plato account of it is very interesting of like how long, like there was like a thousand years or something of oral transmission of that story. allegedly before somebody told it to the Egyptian priestess who told it to Solon and then another few hundred years before Plato ever got it and then you have like every modern classical Greek scholar who studies Greek texts and studies people like Plato and Socrates and all these people they all say that like Plato was a known liar and he was coming up with

allegorical stories and stuff like that, like the cave and all that stuff. And they want to argue that Plato was most likely just trying to use this as like an allegory for something. And I think he was. But say, for instance, the allegory that I'm trying to tell you the West is falling and I'm looking for an allegory. Do I invoke Harry Potter or do I invoke Rome? And why? Because one's real and one's not. Right.

So in my mind, it's very solid evidence that at least Plato and his contemporaries believed that there was some lost civilization to a flood. Otherwise, his story would have no teeth. But I do think they're right that Plato does lie. They need to be careful, though, because they lump it all together. Plato had this noble lie. He believed that it was good to lie to the plebs so that they had a spree decor. They believed that they were from the best city around. But he wasn't known for just going around making bullshit up.

He was known for specific lies, right? Calculated lies. I think he even called himself like a liar. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's, yeah, he was, I don't have a problem with, like I say, certainly it was embellished. The fact it has Oric Alchem on the walls,

which is like a bronze type of weird bronze copper alloy from back then. That to me says it all. I think that's one of the reasons Socrates didn't like to write anything down, you know, because writing by its very nature can be so deceptive, especially when you're transmitting it across centuries. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you, just how much context is lost. I mean, the transcript of this has me saying that Hitler was the best man. So I'm fucked. Yeah, we're never going to know. We're never going to know the truth. No. I agree. Really, we can scream at each other on microphones and on Twitter for the rest of our lives. Until we have the, uh, until we have the, uh,

chips tapped into our brains and we're living in some sort of a fucking weird metaverse simulation we already do man we are we can just beat the shit out of each other digitally that was that one episode of black mirrors or the dudes because go to square off in that game and then they start fucking their dude and chick in the game but in real life it's two dudes you seen that one no I haven't but it's funny they go in there and they're like it's a real life fighting game and then they start fucking and then oh my god that's so fucking hilarious. It was a weird episode, man. That show's fucking weird, man.

Yeah, that was a good show. Yeah. A lot of it's coming true already. Max Headroom, if you ever watch that one? No. Max Headroom was a TV show in the 80s. It was about in the future, television owned, TV corporations own everything.

The government's there, but it's completely subservient to these television networks. They're all in a battle for ratings. And this one guy, Edison Carter, he's this reporter who's, like undercover reporter. He does all these groundbreaking corruption stories. And the network he works for loves him because he gets good ratings,

but they hate him because he's always snooping into their shit. So they download his brain and accidentally halfway kill him. He ends up surviving. But they put his brain in and make a digitized version of it to go talk to the people and stuff so they don't lose their number one lead. And I just did that to a fruit fly, right? Right. You saw that, right?

Where the fruit flies running around the physics. engine. Did you see that? Oh, wait, no. Fuck. Yeah. Dude, dude, if you could pull that one up, it's worth looking at, see if it's a video, probably a minute or too long. They took a fruit fly's brain, they sliced it up, like super tiny little things, and they sequenced it and mapped it and put it into a computer. And like three years later, they digitized that completely and dumped it into, and dumped that fruit fly with the brain into a physics engine. And it started walking around, looking for food, cleaning itself. Yeah, you get, you get, you get, you get, this was, this was something that's, it's mind-blowing,

but we're there now. Like I say, man, how recent was this? I think they just did this last year. This was super recent. That's not the only thing Max Headroom predicted. Like, they've got, uh, their, their guns have ammunition, or have M-16, excuse me, their movies. There we go.

Researchers, this is from UC Berkeley. researchers simulate an entire fly brain on a laptop is the human brain next by digitally mapping the whole brain of a fruit fly scientists hope to gain insight into human brain disorders that's the fruit flies brain right there wow rendering of all the neurons dude a 3D rendering of all 139,000 neurons

in the adult fruit fly October 2nd 2024 so two years ago a large team of scientists recently completed the assembly of a complete wiring diagram for the adult fruit fly brain. Oh my god. 50 million connections to 139,000 neurons in a computer. The simulation can run on a laptop and proved amazingly good at predicting how the real flybrain responds to stimuli. In a paper published today in the journal Nature, the same issue in which the fly brain's wiring diagram or what connectome is announced. Sheu, a former

postdoctoral fellow at the University of California, Berkeley and his colleagues report that the computer model accurately predicts the neurons that will be activated in the fly's brain when taste and touch sensors are stimulated. It's been unclear how the connections would be actually allow us to predict neural activity, said she who now works at the startup Eon that works on AI approaching models of connections. We now, now we and others have found that the connection nectome really does critically allow us to predict and understand how the brain works. Well, watch the video.

This is, this is two years old. Yeah. They just this last year put it, let's see how much this is. Yeah, they put it, just this last year put the whole thing into a physics engine. Wow. And. Oh. Is there audio or no?

No. No. Oh, okay. Yeah. If you, could you, could you look up that fruit fly brain? with physics engine attached to it because or physics because uh they put it in a physics engine and that was where it really like oh this is what popped up okay um i got some uh some papers yep um is this it virtual library uh actually if you could find it just a quick video i think to be

honest with you i think that video might have been it right no it did what about that top video right i recognize it uh how old yeah this okay yeah there you go that was 2026 Six. This year. This is what date? Was it uploaded? This just achieved what no one thought possible. Two months ago. They took the entire brain of a living fruit fly. Every single neuron, every connection, every microscopic pathway, and uploaded it into a computer.

Now imagine this digital brain not as a static diagram sitting idly on a hard drive, but as a living active system. The moment it woke up inside the simulation, something astonishing occurred. The virtual fly began to sense, react, and even move its tiny body in ways that mirror a real fly's behavior. It was tasting, feeling, and responding, almost as if the brain had truly come alive. Scientists watched with wide eyes and held breaths as the digital neurons fired in real time, producing actions they had only ever observed in nature. And then, to truly appreciate this breakthrough, we need to understand what made it possible and how scientists achieved it step by step.

At the heart of this achievement is a concept called the connectome, essentially the complete wiring diagram of a brain. Brains are made up of billions of neurons connected by trillions of synapses. Even in tiny animals, the pattern of connections, who connects to whom, how strong those connections are, and in which direction signals travel, determines how the brain processes information and generates behavior. To make this more relatable, imagine that every neuron is a person in a massive social network,

and each synapse is a connection or friendship between them. The unique pattern of these friendships defines the entire personality, behavior, and capabilities of that network. Mapping this network completely, every neuron and every connection is what scientists call creating a connectome. Wow. It's like producing a detailed wiring diagram for the brain. For simple creatures like the tiny worms see elegance, which has only 302 neurons, mapping the complete connectome was already accomplished decades ago. But for animals with more sophisticated behaviors like a fruit fly, it has been an enormous

decades-long challenge. A fruit fly is about as small as a housefly, but easier to handle in laboratory conditions. Even so, its brain contains approximately 140,000 neurons and tens of the human. of millions of connections. Capturing all of these in detail is an extraordinary technical feat. To map the fly's brain, scientists used electron microscopes capable of producing ultra-high-resolution images of very thin brain slices. These microscopes can reveal deep-hael bongers. When they put it into that physics engine, it walked around, they simulated dropping dust

on it and it cleaned itself like it's it's functioning as a fly in that physics engine that was that was where the difference between two years ago and now is they just just just I guess just earlier this year even put it in that physics engine and that was where it went from being a mapped out brain that they could simulate little things with to just watching it be alive and there's a whole different level of a holy shit that's fucking so scary dude oh huge I guess you watch Max Headroom, dude, it's all about, again, it's all, so fakes and duplicity and there's a terrorist organization in one episode that doesn't blow, it blows up things that and films it for the, I was going to say the internet for the TV networks. But they always blow up things that nobody are at. They're just a fake terrorist organization. It's the whole thing is, the whole thing is way ahead of its time. They've got a place where people go, they store their parts of their brain, and you. you hope that eventually a tech will get there.

So you donate money to this church and they've got their little face of your loved one that you can go see, say a few words to it, but you can't really talk to it. But hopefully one day they'll get the tech and they don't have the tech. They don't even do a good brain scanner. You're dead deceased relative, but it's a scam. The whole show is very dark, very technologically scary and very money-oriented, very much about viewership and ratings are always battling over the ratings. and that's like the big thing

and it has to do with how much money there's floating. It's a dark show that actually really like emulates a lot of what we see today. If this is already public, I can only imagine what the government's fucking doing. I'm sure they have like kamikaze bees already fucking drawn up that they're going to have invaded other countries. Probably. They've probably got one of these physics engines

where they dropped Jeffrey Epstein and some random kid in there, something to have a fucking nose, dude. Yeah, all the simulation, theory fucks with me because this is a skeptical guy it's like you know when they do the math on that you're just like okay fuck it's like if we could create a simulation where everything that lives in that simulation was like that fly I thought it was real how many will we make and if the answer is two or better the odds just went way down that this is a real world and not a fake one and so like when you start looking at you're like well if we'd probably make a few billion

We'd have some for a fortnight and we'd have some for else. It's like, oh shit, man. Yeah, the only thing about that is you can't prove it or disprove it. And it ultimately doesn't matter. It's one of the three fundamental things we have to agree on in order to have a meaningful conversation. We both exist. The universe exists and there's laws that the universe adheres to you.

100%. If we disagree on that, maybe we're all just figments of my imagination, man. Maybe the world's a flea on the back of a dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. It's worthless. Well, dude, thank you for coming and doing this, man. This has been super fucking fun.

Dude, this has been great. I really appreciate it. Yeah, man, of course. My pleasure. And we got to do it again. I'd love to. Tell people about your YouTube channel and all your stuff online. My name is D-D-D-D-D-E-L-E-L-E-L-E-N-K-I-N-G.

I'm on Instagram and I'm on Twitter, mostly on YouTube. And I talk a lot of times I'll hold the scientists to, you know, the scientists. I'll hold them to account. A lot of times I'm just talking about mysteries and looking into stuff. I do a lot of talks nowadays. I'm going to be again in October. I believe it's a 16th through 18th.

I'm in Austin for the Quest for Ancient Civilizations Conference. And that's been pretty fun. There'll be a lot of people there. And I'm not sure everybody yet. We're trying to get more people on board. Is Graham doing that with you? I don't think Graham's ready yet because he's still finishing the book up.

Okay. But I know Billy Carson will probably be there, David Childress, so I was mentioned earlier with one of the elongated skulls guys from ancient aliens. She's going to be there. There's a few other people that are Mike Collins will probably be there. I'm not 100%.

But yeah, the stuff may change back and forth a little bit as far as the roster goes, but we're trying to get more and more people on board. But it'll be fun. Those kinds of things are always enjoyable because I've learned that people that come to watch me at an event like that, they're not, they can watch me at home for free with no airfare,

sleep in their own bed, and wear their underwear when they watch me. Instead, they've come to talk to me, really is the thing. Or me or other people there. The people that came for me came to talk to me. So I've been making myself way more accessible and spending time listening to theories whether they're bat shit crazy or not

and communicating. If I've got a fan, I'll sit down and shake their hand and spend some time talking to them because, I mean, I think in this day and age that we're all so distant with the screen separating us. We all forget that it's all, we're all real people here. We're all saskotch taint to someone.

We're all South squad. Oh, yeah, again, I got to say that one. I want to debate Dave Farina, and I know that he's going to probably avoid doing so because he's a big pussy and he's afraid of me, and I understand. I wouldn't be too. Maybe he can team up with, like, Flint and go two versus one or something. Yeah, that would be great. I don't think Flint will ever, ever, ever debate me.

He's looked for so many ways out every time. And, you know, he can call me all the names in the book, but if I call him one back, then he's, you know, ha, ha, ha, ha. And that's one of the things on. Twitter I should point out is it I worked construction for a long time man so if we're having a conversation everything's going chill that's cool but the minute you like change it into insults and stuff I'm like I don't got time for this and I'm not going to be like you're a mino shut up and go away I'm going to talk to you like you're on the job site I love it bro me too

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