Danny Jones Podcast - #41 - The Riddler of Real Estate | Matthew Cox

Episode Date: May 19, 2020

Con man & mortgage fraudster Matthew Cox answers questions from the fans while eating crab. Matt's new book: https://amzn.to/2QtJ4mu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We are officially back with the riddler of real estate and the Messiah of Mortgage Fraud, Matthew B. Cox. Matthew's been doing the rounds. He's been doing the podcast rounds. He's been hitting all the major media outlets, all the podcast gurus. You just got back from Miami. You did the Vlad TV interview. Right. How to go? I just, I mean, it went, oh, it wasn't great. It wasn't great because I thought it's not. as casual as this and he asked specific questions. So you tend to jump. And every time he would say something, he would jump three or four like stories that I thought, well, if we're going chronologically, those are kind of interesting stories. People are always shocked by those stories. I'm like, so I'm like, do I say something? Do I interrupt him? Do I tell him, do I tell him, hey, look?

Yeah, get it a little closer. Yeah. Really? Yeah. That's good. Because they always complain, say we're louder than you too. They don't like hearing nothing. They like hearing you. Oh, Jesus, Matt. But I think we just have a little better microphone etiquette. Just answer it then. Oh, yeah, let's put her on. She's live. Put her on.

I really, this is. I can't. This is horrible. Hold on. Matt Cox's mom. Hold on. Mom, I'm actually, I'm actually on TV right now. Can, okay?

Yes. You can see me. I can see you. Is Celine there? Okay. Charlene, can you go to YouTube to the concrete channel on YouTube? The concrete law? Okay, I'm actually doing a podcast right now.

Can I call you back? What's your number? I can text it, Tom. I'm doing a podcast right now. Okay, okay. Can I call you back? You can go to Concrete with a K on YouTube. Oh, not you.

Right, and she can watch me. All right, thanks. Bye. Bye, Mom. I love you. Muh. See you later. Her number and I can send her a link.

Yeah. Does she have an iPhone? I think she does have a phone. Shane, how many milligrams are those gummies you're about to eat? I'm 50 deep right now. Ooh.

God damn, son. We're going to throw a couple more in the mix and see how it goes. How many milligrams is that total right there? These are 10. I don't know if she's going to... 30 apiece. Figure it out.

Oh, shit. Well, I ate four. earlier. So that's actually a buck 20. So your mom's going to watch the live stream? She's going to try. I mean, she's 90, so she, I talked to her already. I talked to her once today.

She'll call me sometimes twice today. Really? That's nice that you kept your relationship with your mom through all this. She didn't disown you for going to prison? No, she came to see me every two weeks, bro. My mom loves me, bro. You're really good. You're really good.

Mama's boy, huh? I mean, listen, that's the only, that's the only, should say, that's the only woman, right? That's the only one that's going to stick with you. You get 26 years, you think your girl's hanging out? Hell no. Your girl's gone. You know, unless you've got million. The only guys I know that their wife hangs out for 10 or 15 years is the guys.

They're waiting for a lot of money to come back. They're worth like $30 million. And they keep them in the house and they've got kids. So then they stick around. They've got to see you and everything. But if she's got to go get a regular job and has two kids to raise. Yeah, she's out of there. She's done.

She's like, listen, I'll answer your calls. but we're done. Yeah. John LeBron's got a good relationship with his mom as well. Yeah, I see her. That's cool. I've seen her coming to. It's crazy.

So a friend of mine, not really a friend. He's like an acquaintance. A friend from the past. Just got locked up in Coleman, the same exact place you were in. He calls me. He calls me, and I get the call, you're getting a call from, a federal prison. And it's him. And he happens to be in the same exact blank.

Locke as Frank Amadeo, the emperor of the world. The emperor. Listen, you know what I want to do? Oh, I'm going to tell you. Look, I'm turning Frank's story. Go ahead, go ahead. Finish your story. That was my shit.

I was just, whatever. I was setting you up. Go ahead. No, I was going to say, I'm finishing. So the story, which is on my website inside true crime. Okay, so the story, it's insanity. I'm going to turn it into a book. Like, I'm going to blow it out.

Maybe 60, 70,000 words turn it into a book. I've got a couple of Amadeo's people. two people that used to work for him, and they're going to give me a couple other people, so I'm going to do interviews with them and blow it out to a whole book. Here's what I'm thinking, wouldn't it be cool to do, like,

t-shirts that say, like, Frank Amadeo for Emperor 24 years? Oh, yeah. Or 20-24, whenever his out date is, you know? And you can do all kinds of stuff. And send him one? Yeah, and you can even do shirts with his quotes on it. Oh, people will die.

People will die. I'll anthrax your entire village. You know, I mean, he's got, he's got a great quote you could do that and then you can do a podcast on the book and the story and sell the teacher. I've been talking to him via email. He has the email

system at Coleman and he's been talking about he wants to call in and do a call in podcast. That would be great. The only thing that sucks is you've got to break it into 10 minute phone calls. 15 minutes. You can do 10 or you can talk for 15 minutes or did they limit it to 10? I think it's now 10. Because of COVID-19. It's so crazy

that all those people in the prison. It's like four people that have been shipped out of the prison because they got sick, they caught the virus. What about... What about... Somebody sent you two bucks. What happened to your son? Who's that? Did they ask a question? Nope. Did you have an assistant?

What about your assistant? Who? Austin? Oh, no. The hot chick. What's her name? Oh, Katie? I can't bring Katie around when you're here, Matt. So anyway. Anyway. You purve out too hard on her. By referring to her as a hot chick is exactly the reason she's out here. I'm going to matter.

So, um... Good thing she hasn't heard what I've said about. So, if you have her called the prison, you've got to arrange, you can arrange to have Amadeo put on a telephone and get a phone call with them for an hour or two. But you're going to have to make the calls and fill out the paperwork. And remember we talked about this? Yeah, I do. But then I have to actually act like a legit media company.

Yeah, you do have to, well, it's, it's true. You are a, or a legit news company. It has to be like a news station. Yeah, but it don't matter. Bubba, you. used to do that shit. Did you into the courtroom? Yeah, you just have like a nice PDF with your logo on it and you're good to go.

He'd send in like, you're the perfect person to help us do it. I'm the perfect person to help you out with that. Luke, you've never been on a live stream on the, have you? Oh yeah, you was on with Jake. Yeah, everyone knows my second podcast. I'm Luke James, King of the Clips helping out here. I'm grateful to be here. We have a whole YouTube channel dedicated to clickbait run by Luke.

Yeah. I don't understand what that is. I'm in charge, you know those thumbnails that you like? where you're all crazy looking? No, I don't like that. He's never seen them with those. What is. So now we have two

serious? We have two people with fine arts degrees at the table. Oh, shit. We have three in the room, actually. Stinky, Stink Line 69. Running the switching board

is also a proud owner of a fine arts degree. See? There's three people in this room right now. Give it them away. How much I got to pay to get one? It depends where you go. I can give you one for about 50 bucks if you want.

Sold. Yeah. Stop doing those Those fucking photos are horrible It gets clicks though So what's wrong with just a normal picture? I mean It's not that interesting

Can't you do just like a... The people who are on YouTube They need something extra To push them over the line Because it really takes a lot to make that click There's a psychology story Oh my God I mean it's not even that bad of clickbait

Compared to the other shit that's on YouTube Our clickbait's pretty mild Did you see Valuetam it? Oh my God Very, very conservative, very tame. Are they really? Yes, he doesn't do anything insane looking. Maybe Vlad will give you a real nice one.

Yeah, Vlad's probably going to crucify me. Oh, yeah, Vlad will give you a great thumbnail. His are good. His are normal, too. There's just like the guy that he never has anybody making some weird face or catching him going, you know. See, I'm afraid to make a face right now. Because he's going to come back on. You never know what I'm going to do to you.

You never know what I'm going to do to you. Oh, my gosh. I mean, it's the worst. I think my favorite one was the one about the Ponzi schemes where there's like 10 heads coming out of you, that one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that one. Every once in a while I'll see one. And for a split, for a split second, I get pissed off. And then I think, wait a minute, calm down.

It's Danny. Nobody watches this channel. Not a big deal. No viewers. Nobody watches this shit. Nobody cares. People want to learn how to make money. People want somebody to follow.

People want somebody to tell them what to do. do. It's like Trian saying, you have to call this guy and you can talk to him about real estate. You should not take real estate advice from me. Yeah. I mean, that's not, it's just, you know, I could tell you how to do it legally. But you know what the problem is? People want to buy real estate with no money down.

And can you do it? Sure. There are ways to do it. And there are legal ways, but you have to build. With no money down? Sure. How do you buy real estate with no money down? You borrow the money.

You borrow the money from a hard money guy that gives you all of the money. but you have to build a relationship with that guy. How do you do that? How do I build a relationship if I don't know any hard money lenders? Well, first you start flipping houses. You go find a house for $50,000 that's going to, once it's renovated with $25,000, it's going to be worth $125,000.

And they're out there, and you find a hard money guy that will lend you 65% of its aftermarket value, or once it's repaired. And then you basically have your repair money and you have your down, and you have the purchase price. Okay. So then he gives you draws as you fix up the house.

But you need to buy the house first before you can fix it up, right? No, no, he'll buy the house for you. Oh, so he'll buy the house. For simple numbers, let's say you're buying the house for $40,000. This is just, I'm leaving out a bunch of stuff. You're buying a house for $40,000. Were you buying a house for $40,000? I just said for simple, you want me to jump to a million?

No, let's do $100,000. That's what I'm saying. So, let's say. We like big numbers around here, Matt Cox. $40,000. I didn't want to use big numbers as a result of. So what I'm dealing with. So let's say, for the sake of argument,

you find a run-down piece of garbage house for $80,000. And can you find a piece of garbage house for $80,000? I have no idea. I'm sure you can. So for $80,000, and it needs a bunch of work, right? It needs about $50,000 worth of work. So you bought it for, you go in, you go to a hard money guy, and you say, hey, listen, I found this house for $80,000.

But once it's renovated, the appraised value in the area says it'll be worth $200,000. And he says, you know what? you're right. If you put 50,000 into this, it will be worth 200,000. So I'm going to give you a 65% loan to value. That's based on a $200,000 aftermarket value and appraised value of $200,000. That's $130,000. You're buying the house for $80. So I'm going to give you the $80 to buy the house.

He buys the house. He's got a mortgage on it. There's $50,000 left over, right? He's giving you $130. So there's $50,000 left over. He says, I'm going to hold the $50,000. until you start fixing it up. Once you start fixing it up, I'll give you draws. So you go and you fix up, you put $20,000 with a work into the property.

You don't have any money. You have to convince the guy to put on a roof, the drywaller, and say, look, as soon as you're done, I will cut you a check for that money. Once that's done, you call the hard money lender. He comes out. He says, you're right. You got a new roof. You did the drywall work. You did some paint.

I'm going to release $20,000. He gives you $20,000. You pay those guys back. Then you go and you do the next phase of the repairs. you've done $50,000 with the repairs. He continues to give you draws. Now, he's released all the $130,000, right? The $80 to buy the house plus the 50 and the repairs.

You owe him $130. You sell the house for $200,000. Supposedly, you make $70,000. It never really works like that. There's always something that goes wrong. And you do have to make those payments on the $130,000 loan while this is happening. But it is possible. Now, you're saying the other thing is, how do I get a drywall guy to do the drywall and a roofer to do it?

Yeah, you got to follow all the trades people. Okay, well, great. You're going to have, you may have to put some money into it, or you have a credit card, or you get somebody to lend you the money to do that. So there are ways to do it. But what hard money guy is going to lend money to a guy who's never done it before? You kind of have to partner up with somebody.

You have to do a few of them. You have to slowly ease your way into it. Before you know what, once you've done four or five with this hard money lender, he'll get to a point where we'll start lending you 80,000 or 80%, 90%, 100% because he believes in you. Right. He knows you've always paid. You've always done what you said you were going to do.

So it's possible, but it's highly unlikely. And it's certainly going to take time. And the problem is most people want a quick fix. They want to make money right. Well, how do I make money right away? Well, you don't. Right. You know, it just doesn't work like that.

If it was fucking easy, if there was some guru that could tell you, then kids these days, they want instant gratification. Right. Right. I wanted an instant gratification. Yeah, you did. I just had to, and I got into gratification, and then eventually it caught up with me, and then I had to go to prison. A lot of people want you as their guru.

Yeah, and I've had that happen a lot, and I always think, what are you doing? You can read the comments. Why would you, what do you, I just got out of prison. You don't want to take advice. I mean, not that I don't have good advice or anything, but I'm not in a position to give you. I have guys who say, I want to come work for you. I can barely pay my bills. Yeah, and it's like what you had said, too, is like, oh, a lot of people like, don't.

don't look at your past, but they see, like, the way that you're able to talk and the way that you're able to carry yourself. And they don't look at, like, the criminal part of what you did. They see, like, how you were able to get to that point of it being criminal. And then they're like, oh, well, if he could do it, I could do it. And if I just listen to him, then I could be like him. But I'll be smarter about it. I won't get caught.

Yeah, that's what I thought, too. Yeah, it's an illusion. That's the problem with gurus. It's an illusion. It's like, you know, where they say, never meet your heroes, you know, because you're always a let down. It is. False idols. What is it? What is that word? Is it a term for that?

I think false idols. False idols. Yeah. What is dogma? What is dogma? False profit. False profit. That's what the word is. False profit. Believe in yourself. That's all you got to do. Bro, work hard and be patient. Listen to Gary V. Persistence. It's all about persistence. Oh, bro, you got to listen to Gary V. Persistence. Yeah, he's great. His great. Of course, his whole thing is work hard, keep your bills low and be patient. That's good advice.

Yeah. I mean, it's not, but people don't want to hear that. No, because it's not a quick fix and it doesn't put money in my pocket. I don't want to hear that, and I know it's true. I mean, but that's what I got to do. Yeah. So it just has to do. It just sucks. Well, this is what we're done.

You should just practice what you preach and you should just start doing your own podcasts on your own YouTube channel, which you won't. You're waiting for the big payday from Netflix, which is never going to come. That's not even doing that anymore. What I'm doing is exactly what we talked. Remember I told you this is that it's a problem is that you go in and you've got to, 11,000 subscribers, which is what I have on my on my channel, Inside True Crime, which everybody should subscribe.

So, where's the camera? Are they all on? They're all on, Matt. You should talk to this one, though. Okay. So inside True Crime, it's my YouTube channel. You need to subscribe. So, like right now I've got 11,000 subscribers, right? So the issue is this. Let's say I do a podcast, a 30, 45 minute podcast.

I break up all my stories into three or four sections, parts, whatever. And I do a little 30,000, minutes and explain the story and I get a co-host and we talk and we do the whole thing. And I pull out the documents and I go through it. And it's kind of interesting. Great. People like it.

They get the whole story and they see how it all unravel. Perfect. But the problem is you do that. Well, I have no subscribers. So I get barely any views. You have 11,000 subscribers. I blow all my content and I don't really get any hits. And so you're basically doing it for free.

You know that if you, let's say, what's your video gets 50,000 hits in a month? It's a few hundred dollars. It's not the people like, oh, you're going to make like five grand. Are you out of your fucking mind? You're going to make no money. It's not even worth doing it to make a couple hundred dollars. What you have to do is you have to get a bulk of subscribers. You need two, three hundred thousand subscribers.

Even if you had 150, you have a shot at a 150 to 200,000 subscribers, right? So how do you get 150 to 200,000 subscribers? You put out content. Do I blow all of my decent content? Then what do I do? Then I'm doing these videos where these guys are going, Hey, look, here's what a commissary looks like. Let me tell you about commissary.

Every one of these prison shows does it. Oh, 10 ways to get thrown in the shoe. Here's what the shoes like. Here's how you can get stabbed in prison. I mean, fuck, are you serious? I can't do that, bro. I'm not going to do. Those are ridiculous.

Here's a, we're going to go over good hygiene in prison. Are you serious? Who's watching this? So what happens is they blow all their content. And then they start doing these ridiculous shows. and then they get to the point where they start interviewing other criminals. Well, granted, I've got a bunch of content, but I don't want to blow that content up front.

What I want to do is get a bunch of subscribers. He's putting the carriage before the horse. No, I'm not, because here's what I want to do. I want to do the reviews. I want to review movies. So I'll review movies. I'll review 30 episodes, put out every five days I can do one time I'll do one for 20 or 30 minutes on, on, catch me if you can.

I'd love that movie I got other movies that I've seen Like what's that movie It's called, I think it's called Con Man It's horrible Did you ever see Con Air? No, Con Man

Hell yeah Oh Well yeah Con Air with Nick Cage You know you could do No, it's about cons Not Conner Con Air is the only movie with Con Man

That I know Yeah There's a movie called Con Man I believe you It's horrible Is it better than Con Air Because not much is better You've seen Conair?

Conair's horrible. With Nick Cage. It's definitely not horrible. It's the worst movie. I think we're talking about two different movies. No, I've seen the movie. It's horrible. It's an amazing movie.

First of all, I'd love to see that, do that movie. Steve Busemi. I've been on Conair. It looks nothing like that. Steve Busemi in Conair. Yeah. He's the main guy. He's the really creepy guy.

Oh, yeah. It's been too long. Last time I watched it was John Malkovich. Come on. Yeah. Con Air is not like that. I've been on Conair. It's not like that.

Danny Trejo, isn't he? Yeah, he's on there. Oh, my God, dude. It's an all-star list. Conner has to be the best. Great actors. Nick fucking Cage. Come on, now.

It's not, that's not what's happened. That's not real. It's not, there's no fucking play. Yeah, it's a movie. Of course it's not real. No, that could be true. I could actually see it happening. It's based on a movie.

Well, War Dogs was a movie. They stole your memoir. Yes, they did. You know what you could do? You could watch all those con movies, and then you break down the con and talk about where they went wrong and what they could have done there. That's a genius idea.

Oh, my God. Matt, you should take his advice. So, I mean, did you guys get together and decide to try and frustrate this? Let's frustrate Matt the whole thing. Oh, shit. This is great. I'm really happy to be here. So we broke down a bunch of fucking great comments on the internet, on Instagram, on our Twitter and the YouTube channel.

We got people to ask real estate questions or just any questions. We got them to ask questions for you, Matt Cox, and the fans have spoken. and the people have spoken these are genuine and now they're gonna now they're gonna get straight from the horse's mouth what they need to do with their lives and Shane is gonna read the questions oh my god

are you want just a general comments and hopefully the gummies kick in more and more you got a good 20 minutes Conner is a masterpiece thank you Stubal appreciate you all right

yeah sorry read his name first Read the guy's, his name on whatever social media platform. I'm reading all these. Yeah, just start with one. We'll start with one, and then we'll expand on it, and then we'll move on to the next one. All right. This is Scott's thoughts.

T-H-O-T? Five months ago. Thoughts, T-H-O-T-S. This man literally mastered the same system put in place to financially trap us. He's the Robin Hood of Fine Arts. I don't know. Is that even a question? No, it's not a question.

It's not a question. Do you know what a question is? I mean, hey, Danny printed these out. Hey, half of them are questions. Half of them are just comments. All right. Here's a question. Next question.

When did he start grifting again? Was it 10? 15 years he was doing it if he was 37 when he got caught. 15 years living like a king for 26 years in prison. And now he's an author with movie royalties coming in. Morality, notwithstanding. Sounds okay to me. freedom is whatever you have the privilege to do with it.

Poverty is a prison without bars. Can someone else please? This guy's a poet. Guys, that's poetic. Everything he said was wrong. How so? Can you expand on that? I don't even know what the question was.

The first one is when did he start grifting again? What does that mean? Again. First he says again. So again, let's go with, let's just go. Listen, did you see the movie grifters? Great movie. Never saw it.

Never seen with John Cusap. No. Wow. I mean, you guys are... It'd probably be better if Nick Cage was in it. Yeah. Well, I... He can't come next time.

So, so we're not answering that? No, no. We've got to answer. He's got to answer. Let him answer. Okay, look, so what I'm saying is, the first time I ever committed a crime was,

was one of the first mortgage I ever did. Debbie Boyd. First mortgage I ever did. That's why I whited out a 30-day, late. So I wasn't, there was no grifting or any, there was no short cons. There was no build up to, it was a, I was in a desperate straits and I committed fraud and then I continue to commit mortgage fraud. Now those types of, that type of fraud ends up lending itself to credit card fraud, identity theft. There's all these other frauds that start to take place, right, bank fraud,

that sort of thing, because you start to really figure out what under how underwriting works and what they're looking for and what debt to income is and how they verify things. So suddenly other frauds develop as a result of that. So there's lots of other fraud that isn't directly related to mortgage fraud. Yeah. But so, I mean, I did that and then I eventually got caught and I went to prison. I got 26 years. I did 13 years. And it wasn't 15 years. It was 10 years. And it was not worth it. It sucked. And now I'm writing stories. Are you an author with royalties coming in, like they I am, but not big-time royalties. I mean, I might make $15,600, $1,000, $1,000.

I mean, I just got out of prison. I just started releasing books. And I'm fighting with shrinker. If you would have won that lawsuit over Ward Dogs, you'd be getting a little bit more royalties. Well, we settled. Oh, you settled? Yeah, we settled.

And I get royalties from some of the other books that I've had that I printed or published while I was in prison. And I get royalties, well, I get options from when they re-options. some of the film rights, which was the one that was in Rolling Stone magazine, Duke's of Oxy. I get every time they option it, I get a check for that. But, you know, it's not like it's massive money. I'm working on it, man. I just got out of prison.

I haven't been out of prison a year. I'm not rolling in the dough yet. I haven't been out of custody a year. No, I'm not rolling in dough. Did you see my car? Yeah. It's embarrassing. Hey, at least you got one.

Don't you? No, I crashed mine a couple months ago. Are you serious? Total dead, bad boy. Don't sleep on the highway. Anyway, next question. Especially when you're behind the wheel. Next question.

Matt, can you give us all an update on how things are standing with some of your stories being contracted for movies or series if you can say anything about it yet? Who asked that question? Eves Min Chang. Wow. I think he's Asian as possible. You can't tell. Yeah, it's definitely possible. He's got sunglasses on in the picture.

Just a name. It could be anything. You know, it's funny. I'm actually trying to put together a story right now about an Asian gang in the late 90s that were robbing computer chip manufacturing plants. Where? All over the United States.

Really? I mean, they're going in, they're getting orders from supposedly from China. So Chinese manufacturers are coming in and saying, look, we need these chips. And they're giving them like this, this manufacturer has, you know, whatever, 100,000 of these chips. We need them. There's no security. So this Chinese gang would go in there.

Eight guys would go in. They'd zip tie everybody, all the guards and everything, load up all the chips in a van and then take off and go sell them for $2 million. I mean, literally, it's like pulling up into a vacant parking lot and some Chinese official comes and gives them a thing, gives them $2 million. in a briefcase and they hand them over the chips and they leave. I mean, it's that kind of, it's amazing. How did you find out about these guys? A buddy that I was in prison with did some of the legal work for some of the guys. And there was like, there's like 40 of them all over the country that got arrested.

They rob like 10 or 15 different manufacturers. There ends up being a murder. Of course, listen, it was so bad. I want to say that it was Clinton or I want to say it was Clinton that basically gave like a presidential order that said all manufacturing plants have to have armed security because it was so bad

there were so many chips plants getting robbed so anyway I'm working on that story right now I'd love to put that together that'd be super cool but back to what's his name's question I forgot the question

I don't know the question was how are my things progressing okay so I have like 15 to 6 I think I have like 17 of them on my website I think but a couple of them have already been like one of them's the war dogs one, one of them's OxyRush,

which was connected to that option. So those are already kind of done. I've got two, right now, I have, two of the stories are getting, I'm being represented by, gosh, who is it? I'm supposed to be signing a contract with zero gravity productions, and they're going to represent me. And is it 50 cent is interested in the story of, of

Jamar Towns which is the guy It's called Cash Logistics It's on the website Actually I just It's one of the It's on the YouTube channel It's called Cash Logistics

And it's about a guy That gets a job at a At a A cash moving company You know like Brinks Yeah He gets a job there He sets up an inside job

They rob it for like Three or four million dollars He gets himself robbed I remember read anything. I remember you telling me this story. Oh, it's a great story. So anyway, so I don't even know how to read. Can't even read.

So there was a woman producer named Ann, and I talked to her, and she went, they looked over the website, and she pitched it to 50 cents manager, and he's going to pitch it to 50 cent, and they're talking about option, possibly optioning it. So Zero Gravity is going to represent me on that. And the other one is Amadeo's story. They're interested in and representing me on optioning Amadeo's story. That's a great story.

That's a fucking amazing story. So that one's good. Well, what about? He said the thing. So, I mean, I'm, some of them turning into, I'm doing stuff with, apparently we've got to move faster than I saw my fault. The fact is, some of the stories are being, are being. I mean, there's 17 of them.

They're all in, they're all in flux. Yeah, no, we don't have to go into depth about them. Okay. Well, this is rapid fire. I wanted to answer. No, we want to make it last a little bit longer. That's fine. Yeah, don't, don't rush.

We got a lot of questions. You can't rush fine arts. Let me just drop 10 bucks. You said there was, who did it? Who did it? Shout out. Where's this money going to? Me.

Rice Bayans. What a prick, huh? You said there was going to be food. He said, I never said that. He said, I never said that. He said, nothing's open for him to take us out to. No, he said he was ordering crab legs. Wow.

What? Are you serious? That was an idea. You were going to do that. I didn't eat because of that. I haven't eaten. I've eaten once today. Actually, I'll order them right now.

I'll order my name. Order something. Can somebody send this man some crab legs? Keep going, I'm going to order fucking crap. Shout out to Bryce Bayans. Thanks for the 10 bucks. Appreciate you. Craby bills.

I'll send you, I'll send you the equipment to do your own podcast. No, you should do your own podcast. I want to encourage you to do your own fucking podcast. You don't need me, okay? You don't need me to hold your hand, Matt. I'm going to want to take some of the money from you. I have no problem. I have no problem with that.

All you need. We can't get to that point. All you need is a microphone. Oh my God. You don't even need that. You just need your iPhone, Matt. Here, do your half-ass fucking podcast with my fucking iPhone. It doesn't matter. Start somewhere.

It does matter. You don't have to start at the top, Matt. You start wherever. It doesn't matter what- Matt wants to come out professional. You know, he doesn't want any low-budget shit. That's your problem. You can't start.

You can't start. You know what of the differences? He's got good quality content. He has a vision for it. Right, right. That is true. And he doesn't want to fuck it up. There's nothing wrong with that.

There's nothing wrong with wanting a professional thing. Listen, here's the difference. The difference is some people go in the bank and they slip on a note and they walk out with $3,500. If I'm going in the bank, I'm zip-fying everybody. We're going in the fucking vault. We're going in. And when we walk out, if shit goes wrong, we'll deal with it. That's just me.

I'm not going to take your credit card and run it up for $1,000. I'm taking the whole fucking house and I'm walking away with half a million. That's just the way it is. So, you see, I mean, I'm trying to tell you, let's go for the house. And you're saying, what about a credit card? I've got a credit card here. Matt, listen, you want a millions of subscribers before you put out any good content. I want a couple hundred thousand subscribers.

Look, I'll go with a hundred. Good fucking luck, Matt, because I don't know how to fucking do that. You got to put out your best content first. You do the reviews. You do every five days you do a review. Okay, well, put out that mediocre shit and see if it gets you 100,000 subscribers. What about that great idea that I had for that show? Stop.

Sam, silence the gun shots. Q and GQ and Vanity Fair are doing it right now. Larry Lotton got 6.9 million views in less than a year. And he did four, it was 20 minutes. Can we talk about your Vanity Fair deal? I know Vanity Fair is. I got more questions. We've got questions.

I've heard from them yet since. Oh, you haven't? I talked to them. I did a little thing with them. We did it have a couple of calls. Matt is going to be the cover of Vanity Fair. I'm not going to be on this. That's not what happened.

Oh, that would be sick. Tell us what the truth is. What's the truth about vanity fair? No, they talk to me about doing it. They're going to do an article on you? No. They want to do a series A video series with them

No they're a series They want to do what the fuck they want to do They want to do the same Thelary Lotton thing Where I do four or five con man movies And I review them And I said you know That's what we ought to do I don't do one comp right

No it's not a series They're doing a series They do one with It's so frustrating being on here Sitting across from Danny I mean you got It was bad enough when you have Danny You know ADD

And then now you're here And this guy This guy has never One thing He hasn't said one thing to help It's nothing but he's not here to fucking help. I'm not here to help, I'm here to encourage. Oh, my God.

So, yeah, they have a, I guess you could call it series, but they get, like, they'll get Larry Lawton, and he'll do, he'll review some heist movies. Then they get some FBI guy to do some FBI movies. And they were going to have me do some con man movies. But, that's cool. They were like, first they wanted to do it Skype. And I was like, really? You really want to do it Skype?

I mean, you know, they're like, well, you know, in the current situation, like, it's kind of fucked up. It's half-assed. I was like, but I said, but I said, look, I said, what if I got somebody I was going to have you? I said, what if I could get you somebody that could do it? And they said, yeah, let me think about that. Let me get back with you.

I haven't heard from in a sense. Okay. So. Hopefully, I really hope that it happens. I think that would be great. I mean, it would be one thing. I'm saying, do a whole, never mind. It's over.

So listen, I got this. I got, what? Is this just listen to you guys bicker? It's just ridiculous. It really is. I mean, You're ready for the next question? I got a question from the live chat.

All right, live chat question. We got Jermaine Wells. If you didn't get into real estate, did you have any other career or dreams you wanted to pursue? And he also wants to know. Additionally, since we're watching live, would you take any special orders on your book during this time and add a signature or a doodle on the cover?

Honestly, I've had a, I have a, I have at least one guy, one or two of guys, really a week, mail me their books. I sign them. Like, if you include a piece of paper, like, tell me, like, you want a certain set. Like, I'll put, like, you know, two John, you know, I'll put my favorite partner in crime, you know, from Matt Cox, the Secret Service is most wanted, and then I send it back to him. Some of the guys, listen, 90% of the guys don't even give me, like, a return envelope. I'm paying.

I had a guy from Canada. I paid $20 to ship his book back to Canada for it. Damn, man. You know, which I don't, I mean, I don't care because, to be honest, it's, it's, you know, it's flattering to have somebody want you to sign the book. So if I have, you know, I don't want to take a hit. That was a hit. Yes. That's a hit.

But, you know, I couldn't be doing that all the time. Normally I mail it back because you mail it back and even if you break even, it doesn't matter. It's, it's. So mail your book to Matt. Yeah. Send the return postage in there. Don't be a cheap skate. That'd be nice.

And he'll sign it. I'll sign it back to you. Say, hey, do a doodle on the front cover. I'll do it to. Are you just giving your address out? I got a P.O. box. Your socha and everything? I have a P.O. box.

Okay. Which so. Nice. But what about the career? Is snow crab good? I'm going to get two snow crab. I'll take. I'm going to get two.

I'm going to get two snow crab trays. Snow crabs are good, I guess. Do they have a snow crab pizza? We didn't get a lot of snow crab in Coleman. No. They got blue crab. They got blue crab. I don't know the difference.

All right? We get snow crab, right? No, get snow crab. Don't get the blue crab. You're actually ordering snow crab? Yeah. Where can get snow crab delivered? He's a big shot.

The crispy crab. Crispy crab is gas. It is fire. Yeah. They got boiled peanuts. You guys want some boiled peanuts? I love boiled peanuts. I love boiled peanuts.

You do? I was going to get some earlier and Danny's like, ugh, fuck him. I said, really. Bro, are you kidding me? I'm gonna get sausage too. Listen, I'm. Come on. Should have listened to my instincts.

Total. He's like, no. What flavor you go with when you get them? He said, no, just get him the double shots. I get them plain because I don't like the hot. I don't know they don't like spicy. You're hot. I don't like a cage.

You got to get the spice. I can't do. I can start sweating. The plane just tastes like old water. Here's the sinuses. Old water. This guy says you hurt Danny's feelings. Who shot that?

This guy I noticed. Steve. Oh, that's funny. All right. We're ready for rolling another question? Listen, Steve is the guy that owns a production company that I've been talking to that wants to do all the reviews. The movie. reviews. Your idea just now that you just came up with. It's a great idea. I hope somebody

runs with it. Absolutely. I think so. And we've already talked to a, we already talked to, um, uh, oh, you know what is her name? Because I always say her name wrong. Carolina, Bazua. What the hell is that? How do you say her name? I think how you said it's accurate. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, she's going to set up the production and everything. It's a great idea. I think it's good. good idea. Just do it. I mean, that's the hard part with anything is just getting started and getting over that initial step of not feeling like it's good

enough. We got two plates of crab on the way. No, I feel like I need about 50 more bucks in the chat to afford this. Getting everything in, you know, in order, you go, you do it, you put it, and then I'll put it on my channel. That's what I plan on doing. Hopefully in a month from now I start having content on my channel and I'm going to have it on there for six months

and I'm going to have about 150, 200,000 subscribers, and then I'm going to do a true crime podcast. And then you're going to go, then you're going to be like, damn that shit Go Matt, go Matt. Everybody subscribe that's listening right now. Subscribe. YouTube search Inside True Crime on YouTube.

Even if you have to remove it again. We're going to drop the link in the chat right now so you can go subscribe to Matt Hawks. Wow, I look bad there. Even if you have to remove your subscription from concrete. Yeah, do it. Unsubscribe. And move it to inside true crime. I encourage it.

It's reasonable. You can do it. And Danny won't be offended. Yeah, I won't be offended. Hell no. We got 10 pounds. What does that equal in American money? 10 pounds?

Yeah. Matt, come on, you got to know this. It's a pound like two dollars. Matt, you don't know the answer to this? $1.60 or something like that? I'm buying it. All right. I sound confident.

Let's do. Everybody's pumped about it. It's $1.65. Everybody's pumped about the show idea. It's somewhere between $10, 20 bucks. What? The show idea? Yeah.

Yeah, because here's the thing, too. Like, let's say I review boiler room. You know how many guys I know. I know that ran boiler rooms? Like I know that's not how it works or that is how it works. Look, I know guys that ran Ponzi schemes, not one or two.

I know multiple Ponzi scheme guys. They have great stories. Horrible stories. I mean, they've destroyed people. But the point is that some of the stories are interesting, especially how they get into it. They never, they never, it's always something goes wrong and it evolves.

Because if you get into a Ponzi scheme, like if you said, hey, I want to start a, I'm going to do a Ponzi scheme. If you knew from the get-go, I'm going to start a Ponzi scheme, and this is a scam. It's so easy to set up a Ponzi scheme that isn't in your name. You set up a fake identity. You dump a bunch of money into a decent website, some brochures.

You do a little bit of advertising. You do a couple of events. People start giving you money. They don't expect the money back. You keep telling them their money's growing. Periodically, you give them dividends. They usually typically say, oh, just keep reinvesting it. Before you know it, you've got $10, $15, $20 million.

And then if you were to disappear, they don't ever know who you were to begin with. The problem is most Ponzi schemes start off legitimate, and it morphs into a Ponzi scheme. And the next thing you know, they're trying to balance this Ponzi scheme of $100 million, and they're like, I'm fucking over my head. What went wrong? Well, what went wrong was when things went bad, you should have just been honest with your investors and taken the hit.

Yeah. You know, giving them what you could back and filed bankruptcy. now you've got a $100 million Ponzi scheme you're going to prison the rest of your life. But yeah, that would be great to do. You could do all kinds of different movies. And I know most guys that have run those types of schemes. People just want to hear you talk.

I mean, you can interview anybody and they would fucking... By the guys that say, I could watch Cox talk about paint for six hours. People like to hear, people honestly, they just like to hear somebody who can speak concisely and confidently. And they'll just listen to you all day. You speak. Not really. I'm like a fucking, I'm a babbling idiot.

I'm retarded. I'm babble. I don't fucking talk. I stutter. I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't speak as charismaticly and confidently as you do. I'm no Matt Cox. You're a good storyteller.

You're a very good storyteller. Now you switched it. Earlier it was let's bash a shit out of brush trying to make him feel bad. We'll build them back up. It's the building back up back down again. He's feeling good about himself. Yank the carpet out from underneath it. All right, let's do the next one.

Next question. Yeah. All right, we got Real underscore Joe Biden. Damn, thanks, Joe. Shout out to Joe. Shout out to Joe, good luck. What are the most flagrant weaknesses that exist in secured lending, including mortgages today? What?

Are you paying attention? I am, but let's say, you didn't read it all that great. What are the most flagrant weaknesses? I can tell what he was talking to me, his eyes started watering. He's about 100, he's about 100 milligrams. Deep, baby, too. All right. What are the most flagrant weaknesses that exist in secured lending, including mortgages, today?

I mean, I would, it's funny, I actually talked to a guy who I went to the title company, spoke with a guy that's starting a company that he owns a title company. He's starting a separate company that monitors people's titles because it's becoming, rampant real estate with people removing people's deeds on their homes and putting them into other people's names. So we were talking about what I had done and he was like, oh, what you did back then is easier to do now. He said, now public records, you don't even have to have the original document.

You can make a copy of the document and put a stamp on it that says that you witness the true and correct actual document. Like, oh, I've seen the real document. File this one. It's not even an original document. Doesn't have to have an original seal. Doesn't have to have anything. Just a stamp on it that, oh, I saw the original.

This is, and so this is good. They'll record it. He was telling me all kinds of little things. I was like, are you fucking serious? And he goes, yeah, he goes, it's easier now to do what you did than it was back then. I have all these guys in the comment saying, you can't do that anymore. Really, the guy that owns a title company is telling me it's easier now. So it's still public records.

public records is just a it's just ripe for fraud I mean it's just it's a huge gaping hole but what's nice is most people don't understand how public records works

and so they don't take advantage they don't commit fraud using public records because they don't really understand how it works so if you're someone who worked at a title company or you have any

experience in that and you say look I'm going to go ahead and use this to my advantage I mean, it's a huge opportunity for, or it's a huge issue as far as fraud's concerned. But there's such a limited amount of people that can do it. So, and then, of course, if you have overlapping skill sets, it gets, it gets outrageous. And I'd say that's still the main problem with real estate is public records. You can say, oh, you can make W2s and say, yeah, but that's been done.

And they people do it and they're always going to do it. And it's virtually impossible to catch it and stop it. So the one thing that's a huge. I don't want to use the word opportunity. A huge issue is public records. That's the problem, public records. If you could secure up public records. But keep in mind, too.

The left hand doesn't know what the right's doing. Right. And the government, and then when things go wrong, it's not a big enough problem that there's no reason really to stop it. And it doesn't cost the government anymore, anything, because when it all goes wrong, it's the title companies that have to pay. So it's kind of, you know, the government's insulated from it, So there's no reason to try and revamp this system.

Why would we revamp a system? It doesn't cost us anything. And when it does cost anybody, it costs the banks. The banks all have insurance or there was real estate or there was title insurance. So it's kind of, you know what it's like the credit card companies. Most of them didn't want to replace the credit cards with chips for a decade they fought. Because their whole thing is, yeah, but the fraud is already built into the interest rate. So we've already got this money set aside.

So it's not really hurting us. It's hurting the customer. But it's not really hurting us. So why would we correct it? Until eventually the government said, no, you're going to do the chip. And they forced them to do the chip. Is the chip any more secure? No, not really, because before they even came out,

you remember John Boziac, the guy, the credit card kid, I wrote that story? It's called Bent, and he was manufacturing credit cards for the Russian mob. Like, you know, great story, bro. This guy's amazing. Super smart. Now, you haven't seen him now. He's covered in tattoos, right? Oh, God, he's got tattoos everywhere.

He looks like a straight gangster. But really, when he was in prison, he had like a tattoo here and someone on his arms and stuff. But he's 135 pounds. He looks like Justin Bieber. How old was he when you met him in prison? 29 and 30. That's crazy. And so now it's been five years.

And if you go to his Instagram account, he's just covered in tats. He just does tats. Just tatted up. But he was saying before the chips in the U.S. even came out, they'd already clone them. And even have you ever gone, have you ever gone to the store and you put your card in and the chip won't work? And they go, just slide it. Yeah. Okay. So we're back to the old shit that's easy.

Yeah. Okay. So what does it matter? What are we doing? Yeah. What's the worst case scenario? They say, can I have you see your ID? Here's what you think if I can make a, yeah.

I don't think I can fake that. We're good. Yeah. Go ahead and take your Rolex watch and leave. Thank you. I mean, this is not securing it. It just added an extra layer, which nobody's paying attention to. Mm-mm.

You know. That's so fucking funny. I had to stop myself from saying, thank God. And that's so sad. It's just sad. I just have issues. This is why I'm on supervised release. Hey, how is your probation officer doing?

You know what I was thinking was funny? I actually thought about this and I thought there's no way. Even the suggestion she'd be irritated at me. I was thinking, Danny, I should suggest to Danny that he asks her to come on the podcast. Oh, yeah. She'd never do it. No, I know. She would never do it.

Yeah. She's already told me basically. I don't know that she can't, but I think her whole thing is she's like, I don't want to be famous. Do you understand? Like she doesn't like it when I mention her. She's like, oh, she hasn't said don't mention me again. Yeah.

But she's like, you do understand, Mr. Cox. I don't want to be famous, right? I heard the podcast last night. You mentioned me. I don't want to be famous. And I'm like, yeah, I know. I feel real bad about that. Sorry about that.

So my bad. They asked me. You know, what am I going to say? Yeah. But she's a... I'll bet you she's got some stories. I think people would be into it, just like hearing the people in your orbit

who have the stories about you to get maybe some of the details that you're leaving out or to get just a different perspective on it I think would be really interesting. Oh, she's... She's... She's...

I don't feel like she trusts me. She probably doesn't. I feel like we have... We're not close like that. I feel like she's very... She's concerned. She's your probation officer. Yeah, her job is not to trust.

You're supposed to. I know. I know. But it hurts. I'm still feeling. Because he can't get the edge of it. He's the one person she can't get the edge of it. Did somebody donate 100 Norway monies? Yeah,

I thought it was 100 bucks. Norway monies. That is the legitimate. What do they call? It may be $6. Norway jing point. Somebody converted it to $9. $9.71.

Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Thank you. Read their comment. Yeah, yeah. I got some comments from the people who are paying for their questions. Appreciate you.

Nice. You're paying for the credit. and we are super grateful for it. Rob will be here soon. This one comes from Joseph Berkeley. Matt, what element of the con did you enjoy the most? Was it the money? Or did you get more of a rush by duping the system?

This is horrible. It's horrible. They paid for it. Truthfully, truthfully. You know why it's horrible? First, let me tell you why it's horrible. Because I'll answer it and I'll get 40 people that'll be like, oh, this guy's awesome, he's amazing.

And I'll get one guy that's like, this guy's a fucking scumbag, low-life, bragging piece of shit. They should have killed him. And I was like, and I'm like, no matter what you're going to get that guy. Yeah, that's everything on the internet. That's everything, especially on YouTube. And if you're going to have like the number one trending scammer site on YouTube,

you're going to be getting a lot of that. Yeah, I know. Thick skin. Well, I'm pretty thick skin, but it's still, a lot of times it's like, you know, they're talking about chopping somebody's head off or you should bury him under the press. Like, you know, you've got an anger management problem. Yeah.

But yeah, they get more than an anger management problem. That's why you. That's why you got, that's why you're in the bat cave. You don't put yourself out there because you know. So what is your answer to that? That's probably going to be the, it's going to be me doing this, and that's going to be your thing now. Yeah, I'll give you a thing.

And then I'll make your eyes all weird and big and bloodshot. Nice bloodshot. What would be the best? That's a hard question, bro. Because honestly, look, if I had a million dollars, I had like 1.3 million in the bank. I've had a million in the bank. I didn't live in a million-dollar house.

That's a lot of commas. I wasn't living in a half a million-dollar condo. I wasn't driving a Lamborghini. You know, I was driving a decent sports car. Not red, silver, black, something very... What kinds? I mean, I've had Audi's. I've had Mercedes.

I've had, what, Infiniti's. But, you know, those are just avid, those aren't like amazing cars. they're $60,000, $70,000. They're not, it's not a $300, half a million dollar or $400,000 a Lamborghini. Right. Because then everybody's looking at you and people start asking questions and that, so, you know, just something, something nice. Yeah, Lamborghini's like over the line.

Lamborghini, everybody, and I've known five guys that have had Lamborghinis, every one of them. Didn't you just meet two guys who drove twin, twin Ferraris? Who were those guys? Those were the doc, the plastic surgery twins. Plastic surgery guy. You met them on the Bub of the Love Sun show. What's a twin Ferrari? Well, these are twin brothers, right?

They both do plastic surgery. No, no. And it has matching Ferraris. One does plastic surgery, but they're both attorneys. And they both had black Ferraris. But when I told them, when I mentioned they were matching, they go, no, no, they're actually different. Are those are the guys from the billboards that look exactly the same? Oh, they are?

Yeah, because now they're both, they're lawyers, they're both. Diaco. One of them has a goatee and the other doesn't. That's how you tell them apart. Oh, really? I don't know. I'll check the billboard next time. This guys are creepy.

What was it Was it Winters and No what was the fucking last names Was it Diaco or was it Winters and Yonker No no they're Diakos The Diakro right Okay I was gonna say

They were the doctor Are you thinking of coal pepper curlin Coal pepper curlin Yeah they want to set of Diakos Yeah that's what Bob always said She got a set of Diacos Diacos yeah Oh because he did the he put the tities

On the girl Don't let's not say Don't don't don't do it We can't go there We're live There's no editing. No, yeah, don't. Don't do it.

That's just mean, spirit. You're killing me. So listen. Okay, so what would be the best part? I mean, what would you say? Listen, the best part for me, honestly, and you tell me, it's, um, she says, why can't I find the live version? Really? Who said that?

My ex-wife. Oh, she's funny. So it's, how do I send the link? Just. I don't know. You got, text it to her. Okay, well, that's a link. Can I just put concrete?

Yeah, I'll text you a link right now. Yeah. Keep going. Keep going. All right. All right. So, listen, is it fooling somebody? I don't know.

Listen, there was no bigger thrill than walking in the bank, putting down an ID that was issued by the state of Florida or South Carolina, North Carolina, you walk in, you put down your driver's license. You hand them all the fake documents. You sign some documents. They hand you a check for $250,000. and then they thank you for ripping them off and tell you and tell you you have been the best customer I've ever worked with with Mr. Black. Well, thank you. Thank you very much. All right, well, Lee, you have a good day. Jennifer, you have a good day too. And walking right out. I mean, let's face it, there's just, that's amazing. Walking through passport control and giving them a passport and they go, Mr. Sullivan, are you here for a business or pleasure? You're like, I'm here for pleasure. And they're like, oh, okay. Well, thank you. Mr. Sullivan. Thank you very much. And sign here. You're good. Thank you. You walk out. And you're like, This is ridiculous.

You feel like James Bond. Hell yeah. So is it the thrill? I would have to say it is the thrill. It's not that I'm trying to make somebody look bad. It's just that you're, it's amazing that I guess that you're getting away with it. Of course. You walk out, you get into a nice car, you go stay at a nice hotel, you're dating an amazing looking chick.

You've got tons of money. I mean, it's a great feeling. You know, I mean, I hate to say that. But I mean, it's still. You didn't spend your own money. You know, so, I mean, it would have to be the thrill, right? It's got to be a thrill. I mean, it's because it's not the money because I wasn't living like a multi-millionaire or anything.

It wasn't blowing money. I wasn't driving a Ferrari. I mean, I'm just having a good time. That's a bad question. Anyway, if Shane had $50,000 in the bank, he'd be driving a Ferrari. Until that next payment can do it. Surely, I got 50, they'll finance me a Ferrari. Yeah, I got this.

That's what I got. I got cash. We're good. Yeah, 50. Oh, you send it to me? Okay, cool. Copy. Next question.

Awesome. You got more money questions? Yeah, we got more money questions. Tell Danny to shotgun a beer. So we paid five bucks for that. Tell me to shotgun a beer? I'm not shotgun in a beer for five bucks. Damn.

Fuck that. I'll eat a crab leg. For five? Five bucks? No, I think you're up to. I'm already like five deep. Matt, you want a shotgun a Starbucks for five bucks? I don't.

I can't. Chug the rest of that for a pachino. This looks like it's got alcohol in it. No, hell no. Starbucks. That's a Starbucks double shot. Kaluah, right? Kaluas got, doesn't it?

It's like coffee, right? Yeah, that's not Kaluah, though. No, yeah, you're good on that. Let's check on the crabs. See where the crabs up. That's double shot. This is pretty good. I figured you'd like white chocolate.

I don't know why that's like this. There's a sexual connotation there. This is good. You guessed right? Oh, man. Will you go out and get it for us? Yeah. Get me my crab.

So this is one, two. What's the next question? Oh, wait, wait, wait. I had a guy called me a metrosexual today. They're all printed. What's metrosexual? It's like, to me, it's somebody who's like a guy that's so into himself. He's almost like a girl.

Like he gets everything has to be so, and he gets face peals. It's kind of like what you are. That sounds more like OCD. What's her name? Sam. Sam, what's a metrosexual? She doesn't have a mic. See? Okay, she didn't know either.

She doesn't know. She's not qualified to answer the question. Well, you got a shitlet of plastic surgery, right? The laptop, look it up. Let's look it up. Google it up. We're learning here. The show is all about growth. What is the definition of a metrosexual?

A young urban heterosexual male with liberal political views and interest in fashion and a refined sense of taste. Wow, it was way off. All they missed was the fine arts degree. degree. Why are you laughing? You have a fine arts degree? I know.

I'm comfortable with my fine arts degree. I am too. I'm just jealous. I don't have one. This is the fine arts degree side of the table. This is the no degree side of the table. Oh, listen to this. I'm jogging, right, today. I looked at, I found a cell phone, an iPhone.

I mean, this is like one of the big, nice, like, I was. Like, wow, I was like, pick it up. I look around. Nobody's there. It's on the sidewalk. I wait about five minutes, listen to the radio, okay? Finally, I call Stacy and I go, hey, I found an iPhone. How do I find out whose it is?

And she goes, is it locked? And I said, yeah, it's a thumbprint thing. She goes, okay, well, take it with you. They'll call you eventually. So I'm jogging back. I jog for like five or ten minutes. Somebody calls the cell phone. I pick up the cell phone.

I answer it. The woman says, did you find a cell phone? I said, yeah, I found your cell phone. She goes, oh gosh, I go, where are you? And she said, I'm here. I said, okay, I'm here. And she says, okay, well, can you bring it to me? And I went, well, I'm five, ten minutes away.

You're here. Can you meet me halfway? Just head down. It was a Bell Lake Road. And she goes, well, I'd have to cross the street then. And I went, oh, well, we wouldn't want that. I said, okay, I'll bring it to you. So I jog all the way back there.

I give her the cell phone. Listen, this is, I thought, well, maybe she's, maybe she's in a wheelchair. I don't know. Like, I don't know. Yeah. She didn't want to cross the road? What? Yeah.

It was Collier. I mean, it was, it's two lanes. It's not a big deal. Anyway, the point, that's not going to happen. So, I give her the phone. There's a, like, a little button on the side of the iPhone. Yeah. And if you hit it, if you switch it, it'll make your phone silent.

And it just vibrates when people call. It doesn't bother me. It's a really cool. It's a really cool invention. I mean, got it. Well, we are. like on a talk show right now. I mean killing me, bro.

So, what do you do it? So anyway, yeah, I give her the phone. She just takes the phone. She goes, thank you and turns her and walks off. I just jogged. You couldn't cross the road. You're like four and something. What did she look like? I mean, she was frumpy. You know what frumpy looks like? It's not good. A little baggy?

Yeah, yeah. All right. She needed to meet me halfway. She needed to meet me halfway. And I know that sounds mean-spirited, but the fact of the matter is, She was a bigan. Anyway, the point... Yikes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nothing. You know, and I, here's the thing.

Like, Stacey goes, she tried and give you some money. I said, well, no. And I thought, you know what? I'm not going to take it anymore. Like, she said, let me give you $20. I would be like, no, no, of course. I don't want... But it'd be nice if you offered.

I found your phone. I returned your phone. Jogged it to you. I jogged back like Tim and... And now I have to go back again. Double time. Listen, I'm not being nice anymore. It's karma.

My therapist tells me, oh, you have to do, selfless acts and everything. That's over. Over. No more selfless acts. No good deed goes unpunished. That's true. It was just mean. What's the next question? Wait, I have something that is probably the best thing I've seen in the live chat from

Daniel Gmail. We have confirmation on what a metrosexual is. Nice. And should be defined as from here on out. Someone who is sexually attracted to trains. Oh, shit. Metro. Literally.

It's just silly. It's a It's just silly. Thank you, Daniel. Thank you, Daniel, Gmail. All right, next question. I just really went off the rails there. That was a hard hitter. That was a hard one. All right, we got Bobby underscore McCutcheon.

How much left of your restitution is there to pay? Oh, that's a good question. 5,900. 970. thousand. I paid off about, paid off about a little over 30 to probably close to 35, maybe 35,000. Really? I had a job. I mean, I'm not, I didn't have a job. I was in prison. 35,000 cents when? When did you start paying it? Oh, no, no. That was almost instantly. They were selling stuff off. So when I got the six million, a month or two later, they had sold some stuff off

so they went towards restitution. Sold some stuff like like, like, like, no, they'd already sold all that. No, like they sold all that. None of that went towards restitution. So, sold some stuff. restitution. And the restitution that they hit me with, they wanted, they were saying 9.5 million. And I was arguing, I've never seen 9.5 million. That's ridiculous. I never got 9.5 million. So we start arguing. And we got them down to 6 million. They were like, well, is it this much? I'm like, and they're like, look, the FBI saying it's 11.5 million. We went 9.5. And I'm like, so we went back and forth and I got it to 6 million. But then as soon as my sentencing was over. They were selling stuff off. They ended up selling some vacant lots or something, and they got

like 30 grand in. And then since then I've been paying, I pay $150 a month, no matter what, you have to pay $150. And then anything, I pay 25% of anything I make over $2,000. So I pay $150. And if I make an extra, if I make $3,000, it's $150 plus 25% of the extra $1,000. So it's $250 plus $150. So it's whatever, $400. you know, that's $400. So I've been paying $360, $200, $500, $150. You know, I've only been doing that for about a year. I don't know what that's come to. It's maybe come to $2 or $3,000, something like that.

Not that much. I mean, you know, what are you going to do? You know, you can only pay so much. I still have to pay bill. I still have to pay my rent. I'll still have to... How long until you pay off that... That's for you.

For me. You got a butt chug it. Butt chug it? I don't... I think we'll get kicked. off YouTube if I butt chug it. Nope. It's what everybody wants. How long until you pay off that?

My ex-wife just said in a question. What did she text you? She said, did you have sex in prison? That's a good question. Yeah, by my, yeah, my sit by myself. Then she said, did you meet and marry your ex-wife just to piss off Eddie Sorales, which was the guy that was dating my ex-wife when I'm, Eddie Sorrelis was dating her. She's going deep.

That was my boss. These are deep questions. That was my boss. at the time. So he's dating this chick, Kayla Burgos and she comes in and he, to get a mortgage. She applies for a mortgage. I know

he's dating her, but he's also engaged to some chick. So I'm like, I start hitting on her and she's like, I'm dating Eddie. And I'm like, yeah, but it pisses off his fucking fiancee. So I was thinking maybe that's not going to work out for you. So anyway, I keep asking her out. I ask her out like probably four or five

times over the next two weeks and eventually she goes, okay, she says, yeah, we'll go out. But she was also, turns out she was the, she worked at the bank I banked with and checked my bank account and then decided, yeah, I'll go out with you. After she checked how much money I was depositing every month. And that's not just me. She'll tell you that.

So I'm just saying, you know, that's just, But did you have sex in prison? No. Will you stop? Did you have sex in prison? Asshole, shut the fuck up. That she's pissed off. That's great.

I mean, that's what you get. That's what happens. Everybody wants Danny to shotgun a beer. There you go. I'll shotgun it. What did it? Are you serious? He's the gang.

I don't even know. What is that? Don't you need a pencil or something? No, he thumbed it. He's got the strong thumb. That's what I'm talking about. That's what's up. That's the only kind of content you can get right here live on concrete.

Wow. He set it off. Oh, this is great. This is great. That was good. No, you're good. What else we got? Matt, I got another question.

All right, question. Did you ever utilize the dark web during your times of fraud? I read that question. No, there was no dark web. I don't think. There was no dark. I don't think there was a dark web. That was back in, I don't think so. I don't think there was a dark web. That was back in, I didn't think so. I didn't think so. 2006, November 16th, 2006. That was before the internet, right? That was fun. I don't know. That's nice. I like that. Oh, fuck, fine. That was not. What do you mean right?

Yeah, sure. That hurt. That's fine. I won't come next time. Fuck if I know. All right, I got another one. Matt, from Michael Rodriguez. Have you ever ran into someone you've scammed before?

If so, how did the situation occur and how did they react? I've never, you know, I've never scammed anybody. Well, like, what about the people, like, maybe the names you used or houses or... There was a guide named... You saw them at, like, the Walgreens. No, I mean, I never saw it. Like, there was a guy, there was a guy named Scott Cugno. And I used his identity.

And I actually got, like when I was doing research on my book, I actually got documents in where they talk about talking to him and going to him. and going to him and saying they knock on his door and they're like showing him like the marshals or the FBI. They like show him like my picture. He's like, that's Matt Cox. They're like, well, he just used your identity to cash like $400,000 worth of check. And he's like, oh, man.

So I've always wondered if I bumped into him what he'd say. You know, like, so fuck, but I'd be like, look, I feel bad. We got to get him on. Because I knew him. I knew him. He was an account rep. I actually, the way I got his information, we'd done a loan for him. So I had his data birth social security number.

So I had his date of birth and social security number, but I didn't have his mother's maiden name and the place of birth. So I end up talking, I end up saying, hey, so Scott, what's up, how's it going? He's like, oh, what's up, how's it going? I said, hey, I go, Cugno. I go, Cugno. I go, what is that German? Is that?

And he goes, no, no, it's English. And I go, oh, are you 100% or whatever it was? You know, oh, it's Scotch or whatever, you know, it's Italian, whatever it was. And I go, oh, are you 100%? He goes, no, I said, what's your mom's last name? He goes, oh, my mom's last name? Boom, just blurts it out. Okay, now I got your mom's last name.

And then I go, so were you born here in Florida? And he goes, yeah, I was born right here in Hillsborough County. I'm like, okay, boom. Now I got everything. I got your name, Data Bureau, Social Security number, and I have your mom's maiden name. We don't even need to talk anymore. You're slick, son of a bitch.

He actually was telling me a story about how his parents met as I was ordering the documents to steal his identity. I'm sitting, he's talking to me, and I'm downloading the Hillsborough County application for your birth certificate. I print out that while he's talking to him, I'm filling it out while he's telling him, you know,

and he's like, oh, yeah, and this happened. I'm like, that is a funny story, that is a funny story. And I fold it up, I send off the shit. And a week later, I had, I feel bad about that. Don't judge me. I'm not too bad. And I liked Scott. Scott's a nice guy.

Great guy. Listen. That's a fucking. the worst. Why? I'm only here. I need everybody to buy a book. Buy a book.

Buy some books. I go over all this in my book. I'm much more eloquent in print. And nobody's clowning on me. Huh? Amazon? Amazon, bro. Yeah.

Yeah. Is it on Kindle? It's on Kindle. And I have a guy who's turning it into an audible right now. Oh, hell. They want you to read the audible. Yeah, I read some comments. They want you to read it.

I got a ton of them. You should read it. They want your voice. Listen, I read like a fourth grader. Yeah, he does. Have you? Yeah, he's heard me. It's embarrassing.

It is. It's bad. Everybody at this table reads like a fourth grader. You've heard him reading questions and me reading questions. I'm loaded and reading these. Have some more gummy, dude. It's bad. Nobody, like, they're like, oh, it doesn't matter.

You haven't heard me read. You can do it. You don't know. It's bad. So I can't read the fucking book. Still, it doesn't even matter. Trust me. Not with this attitude and the dyslexia.

All right, let's move on to the next one. All right. Let me check on the crab. Where's my crab? We got Betcher J. What was his favorite book he has written and will he be doing more podcasts? What? One more time.

What is your favorite book you've written? Uh-huh. What was the second part? Will you be doing more podcasts? Shane is teetering right now. Look at him. Can you zoom in on? Shane's face on the camera.

No, you can't. I'm trying to think. My favorite book. Yeah, bro. Writing my book was hard. That's hard, like, writing it. Your own story? His own story is definitely his favorite.

Sociopath. Nice. So, narcissists. Narcissus. Well, sociopath, too, probably. But the point is, what's my, you know what, honestly, I really liked writing because it's hilarious.

And everybody just read it, which has only been a few people, because I haven't, like, publicized it at all or even mention it is a book I wrote called The Program, which is about me in prison. It's only like 110 pages, but it's on Amazon, too. What's it about? It's about me being in prison, and I was, it's like the last couple of years I was in prison when I knew I was getting out and I'm writing a bunch of guys' stories, and I keep going into the drug program,

so they won't ship me to a camp. Because my mom came over two weeks. So the closest, if Coleman's, it's a low security place. Yeah. And it's only an hour away from Tampa. My mom drove there every two weeks. So what happens is I was so close to the door and my points were so low that the BOP kept saying, we have to ship you to a camp.

You have camp points. And I kept saying I didn't want to go. Well, eventually they said, we're shipping you. Well, the only way to keep me there at the low was to get what's called a management variable put on you. And like if you're in an education program, they won't ship you. and they're good for a year. So I go, I say, look, I can't, you can't ship me, I'm going in the drug program. I have a drug problem.

And they're like, well, if you go in the drug program, yeah, we'll have to keep you here. So I go in the drug program and they put a management variable on me, but it takes a month or so. So by the time when the management variable comes on me, I immediately drop out of the program. It's supposed to be good for a year. Three months later, they call me and say, look, we're taking the management variable off you. We're sending you to a camp. And I'm like, well, what are you talking about? It's supposed to be good for a year.

And they go, yeah, but Cox, there's a real push to get you guys like you into camps and you shouldn't be here. And I'm like, no, no, no, I got a problem with drugs. I got to go back to the drug program. And they're like, well, you dropped out. And I'm like, I know, but I didn't realize how bad it was. And, you know, I need to face this. I usually was so fucking bad. I mean, I totally put it on.

You sold it. I sold it. Like they're like, okay, well, if you really, you really need it, huh? I'm like, yeah, I do. And so I go back in again for four or five months until they put it back on me. and then I drop out again. But I went nine months of the program and the fucking program is hilarious.

I mean, it's... What are you doing? Because it's a, it's not a drug program. It's a, it's a cognitive thinking program where they're trying to retrain the way criminals think. So they're trying to fix your criminal thinking. So you have criminal thinking errors or pattern errors or whatever they call them.

They're trying to, and they try and fix it. So there's a whole program based on it. So I'm there. And these other guys, Like if you can go through the program and you can get through and graduate, you get a year off your sentence. But I'm so close to the door, I don't have time to get a year off my sentence. So if I'd gone through the first time, we've got maybe six or seven months off, and that would have been great six or seven months, but I was like, look, if I fuck, if I get, if I fuck up and go back to prison,

I'm going to need that year. I'll go to the program if I come back. If they give me three years, I'll go in the program then and get a year knocked off and get six months halfway house. I'll be right back out the door. So I'm not going to do it now. What if I have to come back? Save that one for that. Right.

So what do they do to alter your criminal cognition or whatever it is? They have you do things which are called like RSAs, which are, oh, God, what's an RSA? This is a rational self-analysis where you, as soon as something happens, you go through these steps in your mind. You know what? They teach, you think like a normal person. A criminal doesn't think like you do. Like you think, if I jumped up right now and said, fuck you and threw something in your face, you might immediately be like, but before you do anything, you're probably,

going, okay, where are my all terms? What are my possible choices? If I do this, then the cops come and this happens, and this happens, and this happens, and this happens, next thing, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then you immediately think, I have a child, I have a, I have a wife, I have bills, I have this. So before you know, you're like, you know, fuck you Cox, just get out. But a criminal doesn't think like that. He's, he's, he's, he's, I'm going to kill you.

And fuck the consequences. I'll go to prison. I don't even think about the consequences because I'm going to get away with it. You know, so it teaches them to slow down and calculate all your, the thoughts that normal people take for, take for granted. These guys, you know, they don't think like that. So they have all these little things that you do. And they go through, why did you commit crimes or why did you do drugs? Why did you? So you kind of really get into all the different, all the different reasons that you are committing criminal acts.

And the other thing is, they all held each other accountable. They take everybody that is in this, goes to the program and put them in, one unit. So you've got 150 guys who are all holding each other accountable, which means that if I see Shane's smoking pot in the fucking bathroom, then in the morning

meeting, there's 150 guys in the morning meeting we're all sitting there facing each other. You're at each other out. Right. No? It's holding you accountable. So, because I care about you. I know it seems like the wrong thing to do, but I'm looking out for you. Shane, you're not taking your

program seriously. You're not taking your your therapy seriously. I'm sorry. Right. Well, that's not going to be good enough, bro. So it's got to be more than that. I'm really sorry. You have to stand up and in front of everybody, they say, look, here's what you did wrong.

Here's what you're not taking it seriously. You made these errors. You should have done this. And here's what you need to do to correct your behavior. And then they give you assignments. That's what I hated. You want to pull me up and say, Matt, you were rude the other day. I saw you do this.

I saw you do that. You mouthed off to some guy. Okay, fine. That's true. But then it's like, basically to fix this, you need to do this. You need to write a letter home to your family and tell them what you did and that you jeopardized your program and your one year off. You need to go around to five or 20 different people and get their take on how you behave. You need to.

Next thing you know, you got five fucking hours worth of work to do. I'm trying to write a book, bro. I mean, you got me taking classes. You got me in the meetings. You got me doing this. I got to memorize cards. I'm trying to write. Oh, I hated it.

But it's comical guys get into fights in the bathroom. Guys are fucking swinging on each other. We were there one time. You got a guy who's there for, like, cheating the IRS. Like, he lied on his taxes. He got, like, three years. He stands up. He's caught this guy smoking K2 in the bathroom.

Like twice. Now, this is a guy whose mom is sick, and she's probably going to die if he doesn't get the year off and get out. And he's let everybody know anybody. anybody pulls me up I'm gonna fucking beat their asses I gotta get out of here but he's also an idiot

because he's still smoking K2 so this nice guy who's like a CEO stands up he's like 60 years old stands up this is a gang member by the way he's like a crypt or a blood from

from Hawaii who's already been to beaten the state twice on murder charges happens to be here on a drug conspiracy he stands up in the morning I'd like to pull up Mr. whatever his name was. The other night I saw you smoking pot in the bathroom,

or K2, a band, you know, and so he starts giving him the, you know, telling him, you got to do this and this and this, and then they have something called the damaging consequences. The damaging consequences to your behavior are, and the guy goes, I got your damaging consequences. And he's like, six foot tall, six foot two. He swings on him, he punches the guy. It's like, it's chaos.

150 guys are jumping. He's swinging. bunching this guy, is hitting this guy. It was fucking hilarious. I mean, I was never in danger. I'm like, I'm 40 feet away. I'm like, this is great if I wasn't in the mix. You're writing a story in your head.

The whole time I was there, I was like, oh, this has got to go in. I'm taking those. I can't we go talk about this on a podcast? So I have all this. This is in the book? It's in the book. It's hilarious. Guys are getting caught having sex in the bathroom.

Guys are smoking dope. Guys are, they're drinking hooch. They're threatening to kill each other. Like, I'm going to have to pull you up tomorrow. He's like, you do that. I'll beat you to fucking death in your sleep, motherfucker. And they're like, holy shit. They're, but, but, but, but, I'm like, I fucking shit you not.

I will beat you to, I'll take a fucking sock. I'll beat you to death that night. He said, because you're going to lose my year. Fuck you. And then, of course, the guy's like a sex offender, and he's like, look, BOP he doesn't give a shit about a sex offender getting beat to death. So the guys might think, he might be thinking, we probably won't kill me. Yeah, but you're going to lose an eye if I start hitting you with a fucking,

you're asleep and I start hitting you with a lock. You're going to lose an eye and you're going to get shipped, and I'm going to break your nose. I mean, it's vicious. And you know what's really funny is like you have guys that are like owners of banks being told what to do by crackheads. So you got some little crackhead who comes up. He's like, listen, I noticed the other day you had your Coke on the next to the computer

and you're not allowed to have that. It's a second time. And if I have to address you again, then I'm going to address you in the morning meeting. I'm going to pull you up and, you know, you're like, I'm a fucking CEO of a bank. I cheated all my taxes. You've got a prison GED.

The fuck is, how did I get here? How is this guy telling me how to live my life? Yeah, that's fucking crazy. It's hilarious. So the whole, everybody just read the book is like, that's got to just crush, morally fucking crushing. Oh, yeah. Oh, listen.

Can you imagine my ego being told having some fucking guy come up to me and say, oh, Cox, can I talk to you? Like, yeah, what's up? And they're like, listen, bro, I noticed the other day, your bed, you didn't do the hospital corner. And, you know, you're supposed to do that. I'm like, what? I go, you joking? And they're like, no, I know it sounds funny, but, you know, I mean, I'm just bringing it to your attention.

You know, and there's certain key words like, do you have a minute? Which is basically they're saying they're going to confront level. You like I want to discuss. So that's the first step. You have to confront love someone. If they don't correct the behavior, you get to pull them up. Well, you have to pull people up to graduate the program. So they're always looking.

They're always looking for something. Danny, I noticed that your shirt isn't exactly, it's not been ironed recently. And here in our app, we hold ourselves to a higher standard. I just want to bring it to your attention. And right then, you know right then. That does not teach you how to be normal. No, listen, it's a completely fucked up program. Let me tell you one thing.

You know, I got one for you. One time a guy is talking to this chick, he's been talking to her for like a year or so, he's telling her, I'm getting out, I got no money, I got no money. He convinces her to send him money. So when I get out, I have money. I got a couple, three grand on my books. So when I get out, I'll have three wins. And he's been getting her to send money.

Well, the drug treatment specialist start listening to his phone. phone calls and they hear him telling her that. And they come to bring her in the, what are you doing? Well, I mean, I need money and this and that. Yeah, but don't you have a girlfriend? Well, I mean, yeah, I got a girlfriend. Well, you're not being honest.

Honesty is the, it's the key to change. It's a foundation. So you got to send that money back. Oh, no. Huh? Yeah. The three, yeah, send the money back. Oh, they'll write, they'll have guys write a letter home to their family.

and they have their family write a letter back that they then read. And the letter is, how did your loved one hurt your family, hurt you, how did his drug and alcohol or in criminal behavior harm you? So you got guys that are getting letters, and then they're reading it in group therapy sessions. And if your mom writes a letter about what your crimes have done to her and how she feels about you, she's never told you this

and it's red in front of the 20 guys that are in your group therapy you've got guys gangsters crying like small fucking children weeping because mom just told everybody how you've embarrassed them

how you're just a scumbag how they're humiliated by your behavior how I mean you got guys that are just listen it's there's a lot of stuff they do that will fuck you up and guys do some guys are irrevocably changed by that program. And some guys are just faking their way through it.

But the book, everybody that's read the book is like, bro, it's fucking amazing. They're like, I'm laughing one minute. And then when this happened, bro, I was in fucking tears. You know, bro, this, the doctor that runs the program there, her name's Dr. Smith. Bro, that, she, for some reason, the second time I went in, and she, like, took interest in me. She starts bringing me in all the time asking about my son.

My son, my ex-wife, my mom, my dad. You have a son? Yeah, bro, listen. It got so bad, I was like Pavlov's dog. Walking to the office, I start tearing up. Because I know, fuck, she's going to ask this. She's going to talk about this. She's going to.

And I mean, I'm just, there are certain things like, I'm like a complete sociopath on certain aspects. And there's maybe three, four things you can ask me about that I'll immediately start crying like a fucking child. Is your son one of them? My son would be one of them, which we're not going to talk about. We've never talked about that in the podcast. We're not going to talk about it.

I assure you we're not going to talk about it. It's fucking horrible. Maybe that means that is. Yeah, we should. No. Listen. I think we should. Listen, I will beat you to death with this heavy fucking thing right here.

And damn the consequences. My two friends will definitely help me. I'm definitely not. I'm working the chat. He's not in a position to help anybody. He can't help you too much. He's stumbling. He'll be stumbling as we're.

I might be able to take you, Matt. I probably, I don't know. Pretty good. That's a fair fight. No, I'm just joking. I'd pay to see it. Who else? To pay to see it.

Who's going to drop some money in the chat to see that happen? Me and Matt will wrestle right here on top of this table for the right price. Yeah. And depending on how much it gets, depends on how nasty it gets. No, I'm talking about it. Nah, I mean. So what else? What are we doing?

What's going on? What happened? What was actually what you were talking about is really interesting, like that program to help heal people. The crabs here. The crabs here. The crabs here. Go to the crab. Please.

Because you can get, like, that criminal sociopath brain, you're able to fake your way through anything so how can they like call you out on you like upholding your truth and not just being a complete sociopath criminal and saying what you need to to get through it how i mean here's the problem is that well sorry here's here's why i think and a lot of people go through the program and they know he's fake thing he'll dr smith think he's seen a thousand matt cox's she's seen two thousand this guy five that she immediately as soon as you walk in she's caters He's got this personality type. He's got this.

As you're sitting there, you sit down as she's talking to you. She can sit there and go, okay, so one of your parents has an alcohol problem. Is that right? And you're like, what the fuck do you know that? How'd you know that? Never had a conversation with you. But within three or four minutes, she's already... Listen, I remember I used to say I feel horrible for her husband or her ex-husband.

Because he's never won an argument. Guarantee, you can't win an argument with this chick. Because you can just like stare at you and see it. Oh, my God. Twist this, twist this. one of those, I would walk in there and immediately I felt like the room was closing in. The only time I've ever had a conversation with someone, the whole time I'm sitting there, I'm thinking, how can I get out of the room? How can I get out of the room? Even before you're in the room, like you were talking about just walking to the room,

like she's just in your head that much to where you know the things that she's going to ask you? Right. So she would, and there were people, what will be people graduating the program? And she'll know he faked his way through the program. He didn't really this way. But he did everything he was supposed to do. He went through the things. I can't really change that. he's going to get the year off and he's going to move forward. And there are other guys that she knows this guy has irrevocably been changed. And I think he's a better person as a result of the program. And listen, that honestly, that type of a program should be done throughout the BOP,

like to knock off times because guys are genuinely trying to learn the material. It's the first time you can see guys that they're really trying. Some of them are like, oh, I'm faking it. I'm faking it. Yeah, you're faking it, bro. but I've seen you crying like a baby in the morning meeting the other day. Because those are real tears. Right.

So you can sit here and tell all your gangster buddies you're faking it. But the truth is, when they read that letter from your mom or your grandmother, you weren't faking it. So you can tell they do change. Some people do change. And maybe they change temporarily, but I think it's a good way to help retrain how people think. And criminals, there's really, there are programs, but the programs are pretty much a joke. and you can't really expect these guys to go out of their way and try and change when they don't think they have an issue. But if you gave them an incentive, you said, look, you pass this nine-month program and you get a year off, they're going to try.

It's going to lower recidicism for sure. But, you know, it's a limited program, but they ought to do it across the board. Like, they ought to say you get 20% off your sentence if you pass this program and do like, oh, man, you really see some changes. I think stuff like that is super important too because you reach a certain point in that sort of pattern in thinking to where you don't even recognize the way that you're thinking like that anymore and then it just brings attention to it

and it helps you get over it. In that nine months when they teach you to do these certain things you have to take workshops and all kinds of stuff you have to go through RSAs and what's the other thing is your um God there's two different types I forget the other one. Actually in the book

I have my, they're not RSAs, they're attitude checks. I have attitude checks throughout the book. So you actually get to read my attitude checks. Not all of them. It's like, you know, today I was in the chow hall and the guys were standing in front of me, they were screaming and hollering and being disrespectful. But you can't get away from them. They're screaming and hollering it, and all I could think about was hitting one of these guys in the head with a baseball bat.

And so you're sitting there thinking, you know, it was everything I could do. do to tell them to shut the fuck up, you know, and then you go attitude check. You said, what was, what attitude was I struggling with? And you get to know, humility. And then you say, you know, then you say, you know, I had to tell myself that, you know, they weren't raised in the same type of environment. And to them, they didn't, they didn't realize that what they were doing was being rude. You say, what attitude was I, you know, what attitude was I, you know, was I displaying? And then you say, whatever it was, humility or, you know, giving or forget. I don't know what the fucking attitudes are. And then you say, if I continue this behavior.

or practicing these types of self, you know, talk or whatever, then I'll be able to deal with, you know, these complete jerkoffs that scream and hollering and spit in people's face. And, you know, you kind of, you talk your way through it instead of being like, hey, bro, you want to keep your fucking mouth? You want to be disrespectful? Well, you got to be disres. You know, next thing you know, you're in a confrontation. Right.

That's a way of processing these emotions that you're not used to processing other than dealing with it just like raw rage. Right. Right. And here's the thing is that it's funny because some of the guys that have the hardest time are guys that, like, the smarter guys that have smarter crimes that you would think would sail through. They do sail through. They sail through the first, second, third phase. And by, like, the fourth phase or is it the third phase, I forget. Just before you graduate, when they really expect you to show some emotional changes, that's when they tear guys.

Like, I don't know that I would have graduated the program. Because that last phase, they destroy me. Because that's where they really call you out and get you wrong. Right. That's where, and that's, and so graduating the program, I'm probably could have, maybe I could have graduated. It would have been hell. It would have been me in tears for two, three months straight. I can't deal.

I'll rather do the year. Yeah. I'll do the extra year. That's emotionally taxing too, especially if you've never felt those emotions for that long, like a year of just staying within yourself rather than a couple of months of sharing with everybody. that year sounds pretty good. Yeah. But your crab's here, and that sounds pretty good too.

We have a... I want a piece. I'll take... Can I have a thing? We have a crab fucking snow crab leg platter here. Crab buffet. Cannot... Oh.

Thank you. All right. Bon Appetit. Dig in, right? Are you not hungry? No, I'm hungry. I'm going to eat some fucking crab. I'll tell you that.

Shout out to Jamie Walker, drinking Bud Light, smoking Sigs, and watching. Hell yeah. Appreciate you. This is fucking ridiculous. This is a podcast safe food, right? Bones.

Bone apple teeth. Stink lions, killing it behind the board. Shout out stink lines. Come get some bold peanuts or crab. Let's go ahead. All right. Next question. That's your guys' box.

All right, Matt. CM cubes, 44 minutes ago. What has been your favorite car to drive? Wow, look at these peanuts. Did I have an Audi A8? It was, they were like 90, 995 grand or something like that. We're going to have an Audi A8. I don't know what you had.

It was like a four-door. God, that thing had a ton of horsepower. Like 460 or 80 horsepower or something. Honestly, the R8? The A-8? What did you say? No, I think it was. It was like a four-door.

What was peanut? It wasn't like the sports car. I figured what the Audi of the sports. It wasn't that. That was your favorite, though? No, I'm saying that was a nice, nice car. But honestly, I had an Audi-quatro. T-T, you're the little one.

Mm-hmm. But people, I don't think people think that's like a cool, flashy car. But that was a nice car. I love that little car. Yeah. I mean, it's like, I don't know. People have a weird perception of me or something. Like I'm doing crazy stuff and it's just not.

I think they equate, like, getting that much money with living, like, a super lavish lifestyle. It's just not, you know, I'm not that guy. You were just, like, in it to be doing it, it seems like. You need Dapkins? Yeah. You're in it. Listen, I need to see somebody eat some of these fucking things. What do you do?

Seriously? Yeah, I mean, what am I doing? I don't eat, I don't think I've eaten crab legs, but I break it? Like that? Get the meat out. And I'm supposed to be, I mean, could you have picked a fucking, so then I'm supposed to what? Suck the fucking meat out? Come on, man.

Suck the meat, Matt. I mean, I'm. This, right? Suck the meat, man, it is. Suck the meat. You couldn't have got pizza. Yeah. I said pizza like three fucking times.

You did say it. Yeah. No. Crave legs. Crave legs. You said, you complained that I didn't get your crab legs. You said crab legs, and then I said, look, I'm going with pizza. Your eyes lit up when he said crab legs, though.

That's why he ordered it. God, this is ridiculous. You got to eat. Aren't there, like, tools? Aren't you supposed to have tools? This is ridiculous. Tools? You got 10 fingers.

You're supposed to eat real close to the microphone, too. No. Crabbs only have, like, two. Matt Cox, ASMR. ASMR, muckbang, Matt Cox. I mean, how do you get it out of the... This is... Matt.

Are you never had crab legs before? I've had them before, but they were, like, things you could crack them open with. They had tools and shit. This ain't Ruth Chris, Matt. Far from it. Damn, this is good, though. Oil, peanuts are fire. Yeah.

All right, what's the next question? I can't touch my computer anymore. All right, I got this guy. It's not really a question. But Danny printed these, so I'm going to read it. It says, Kevin Lovedall four months ago. I need this guy's phone number. I only owe a third of my home's value,

and I can't even get a call back from a bank to refinance it. That doesn't seem right. You go to a hard money guy. I wonder what it says DTI is. What's a DTI meme? Listen. Is that like DTI? Why can he get a call back?

I don't know. Probably they're pulling his credit. Maybe his credit's bad or something. But even then, you could get a hard money loan, but hard money loan is fucking, it depends on what he wants to do with the loan. He just want to pull a bunch of cash out and what's he going to do? I mean, is it worth?

And he could be, he could be saying the wrong thing. Like, I've had guys come in before and the board. coming, they'd come in and they owed they owed $100,000 on a $250,000 house. That's a that's a no-brainer, right? You're going to do that loan. And then when the bank says,

well, what do you want the $100,000 that you're going to get out? What do you want it for? Oh, I'm going to go open, quit my job and go open up a business. Yeah, we're not lending the money. Because, so you had a stable job, which is how you're going to pay them back. You're now saying I'm going to quit

my stability and I'm going to go start a venture that has a good chance of failing. Because what is it? Is it three out of four businesses fail? I have a question, Matt. First three years or something like that? I figure out this. Should be good. How do you?

That's setting up pretty good. This is great. How do you think the mortgage business is doing? How do you think the banks are doing with mortgages, home mortgages, right now during this plague we're going through? Oh, I'm sure it's fucking horrible, right? Really? I don't know.

I don't, I talk to a banker today. he said it's amazing. It's great. He says they're doing all, they're doing loans, more loans than they've ever done. That's funny. And they're doing a lot of new construction loans, too. Yeah, okay. Maybe he's just trying to sell me.

Yeah, I don't know what the... I mean, listen, so how are you proving these people's income, or are they giving them some kind of exception where they're saying, look, you don't have to prove your DTI because you've been out of work for a month and a half. Right. So you've been out of work for a month and a half, and I'm going to give you a loan. We don't even know when you're going to have another pay stub.

I'm asking you for your last two paystubs. They can't provide them. Oh, well, I have unemployment, really? So you're getting like a third of what you would be getting. I mean, I don't even know how that works. Maybe they're saying, oh, no, we're giving you an exemption and we're doing this. Okay, well, that's possible. You know, but I mean, I don't do loans by, I can't imagine they're doing great.

Yeah. I got a question? Sure. You know a lot about mortgages? I'm a little bit. Do you know anything about loans? Morgan and Morgan? I don't know.

Morgan and Morgan. That's the lawyers. For the people. For the... No, I don't know anything about them. Why? I'm just curious. Why?

I don't know. How does that have anything to do with mortgages? I don't know. It rhymes with mortgage. Starts with an M. What's happening? Damn. Shane's fucking baked right now.

Shane, you got any questions? Crabbs hitting. Crabb hit different. I can't scroll through the question. I got to use the back of my hand to scroll through these questions. What is this? What are these? All right.

Oh, that's potatoes. It's a big potato. It's a big potato. They're all yours. There's no fork or anything. No, sorry. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

Next question, Shane. They're looking. They're all kind of like the same. They're always like, what's your biggest regret? What do you do? Is it worth it? No. It wasn't worth it.

No, it was 12 years. Did you use the dark web? I didn't use the dark web. What was your favorite car? All right, here's a different one. Flash underscore Gordon. Since you've made lots of fast money, does work in a normal job to you

to make money seem extra mundane to you now? I don't have a normal job. I paint paintings and I write and I get, you know, I sell books and I get money and I got a little bit of money. comes in every once in a while from royalties. And I don't have a normal job, and I'm trying to,

I'm working on getting a series. Would you ever get a, like, a regular normal job? Yeah, I would do that. I would do that. Like, just a jiffy lube or something. Are you working at a gym, weren't you, like, working at a gym doing, like, clean up? Yeah.

Yeah, I was, like, I'd love to. I don't know where that went, bro. Something dropped. That's a little dog. I'll get in here. We'll find it. I mean, when I was in the halfway house, I worked in a gym. It's a little dog.

Oh, bro, the weirdest shit just happened. I can't even explain it right now. I don't think Shane knows what's happening either. I can't believe I'm the one who's on probation here. I really. Everybody at this table has been on probation at some point. That's very true. Next question.

I have a legitimate question, though. We learned our lesson, Matt. They corrected our criminal thinking. Yeah. Did it work on you? Me? So far. So far it's working.

So on the American Creed series, and they go into the art that you would leave behind. No, this is like a legitimate question about it. I want to know, like, what are some of the things that inspired you to create the pieces? And, like, where did that come from? Like, the sculpture that you left in the apartment? Where did that come from? And, like, was there any meaning to it? Or was it just, like, a spontaneous act of creation?

You want, tater? Tater up. I have no idea. This is hot as hell. My lips are all fucking... There's a bottle of water right there. You need more coffee. You just said you got the...

Spicy boiled peanuts and we got spicy-ass boiled peanuts. These are the spiciest boiled peanuts ever had. They're good. Didn't we have a talk about not getting spicy... I would have just said. Yeah. Wow. Danny don't listen.

Never does. He just doesn't care. He listens to himself. Probably true. So I would love to redo that statue. Like I've tried to completely do it twice. Both times something has happened, and I ended up having to ditch this statue or some reason.

So I know, I was actually working on that statue again when I got arrested in 2006. And the other time was we couldn't fit in the back of the van. But we had like this little SUV thing, and we packed our stuff, and I couldn't get in the back of the van, so I ended up leaving it in the garage. And then when the guy came in the house,

he said that I'd stuck it in the middle of the living room, taunting him. It was in the garage. And you just didn't have room for it. I just didn't have room for it. It wasn't, I didn't leave it to taunt you. It was sitting in the garage, but whatever. But that was, to their credit,

they were just trying to make the show more entertaining. Yeah, sure, but it was good. But it was, like, the sculpture itself, though, that was just, like, a reoccurring thing that you would just be making. I don't know why. I've actually drawn that, by the way, a few times. Like, I drew a guy in the same kind of basic position inside of a box.

Treon has that picture. I need to get that picture from Trian. He probably feels it's his picture at this point. I've been holding it for a while. So, I don't know, it's just this, I don't know if it's agony or just being tortured or just, just, yeah, I don't know, there probably is. What would you say, guilt? And why?

What does it look like to you? To me, it looked like somebody reaching for help. Oh, okay. Because, you know, it's, like, kind of, like, in this position, like, it's like, you know, actually, I think he's more like this. He's more like, or is he like this? I forget, but, yeah. You know, on Walking Dead when they have the zombies on the side of road,

they're, like, cut in half, and they're just, like, stuck there, and it's just the head and the arms. That's what it reminded me of. I should. Go get some chicken wire. Yeah, you really should. It would be pretty cool. Somebody would buy that shit, for sure.

Yeah, who would buy some of Matt's art out there? Yeah, let us know. Buy some books. Buy some art. Buy the book. Subscribe to the page. Oh, spicy crab. Next question.

Next question. This is, this is, I'm going to have to go to something to eat. You're not, you're not stuffed? I can't eat this. There's no meat in it, and it takes too much to break it apart, and you don't have the tools, and it's, you know. You're a, like a metrosexual, Matt. I, yeah. That's, we'll take you to McDonald's after this.

It's only shit that's open. Somebody said they've never seen somebody complain about crab legs. You're definitely not from Florida. I'm from Florida. I was born in Florida. I consider myself a Florida Cracker. I mean, you know, I'm sorry that I, you know. Unbelievable.

Unbelievable. Unreal. Can't believe this shit. Which one of his IDs do you need to see for you to believe that he's from Florida? That's amazing. All right, next question. What's the next question? They're really all the same shit.

Sorry, just ask him. What was your biggest regret why you were doing fraud? What was my biggest? Throughout your entire career, what's the one thing? If you take back one thing, what would it be? Other than this podcast. I was going to say, wow. See, you know what?

That's one of those. That's a, that's a loaded question. Because think about it. I know the correct answer is. There's sausage? Yeah. What is it? Let me hold that.

The correct. answer is, I wish I'd never committed fraud to begin with. Right? Isn't that the correct answer? No, I want to hear the truth. That's the answer. I mean, if the scenario... It also says, like, was there a specific person or situation you regret doing?

I regret doing.com, Joe. Yeah. Is there a specific one? Person or... Or fraud crime or... I don't know. Wife probably texts him. That looks serious. Time to change the diaper.

Everybody pray for Danny. It's time to probably throw... It's probably going outside to throw up. Bad crab. Bad crab. Too many shots. Well, probably all going to be throwing up. Crab's great.

This crab is amazing. The sausage is fire. Oh, my gosh. My nose is running. Oh, that shit was too spicy. It's all spice. This crap is amazing. There's more sausage in there if you want to try it.

No. Sausage is really good. Is it? Yeah. No, I just, no. I'm good. I'm good. This is...

This doesn't taste like it mixes well with coffee. What does it mix well with coffee? I've never heard. sat down for a nice cup of coffee and a plate of crab. Let's see. Ooh, that's refreshing. What would be the biggest... Okay, I got...

I got it. All right. All right. So, one, I made... People throwing money. You know, I should have... You know, one of the problems with when I was in South Carolina, and I'd applied for a bunch of loans,

and one of the loan officers actually... Like, I was closing the loans, and one of the loan officers left, and went on vacation, and then came back, and processed the loan. So the actuary, I'm sorry,

the actuary, the abstractor went down to public records to check public records. But as loans were closing, so she actually caught several of the, several of those loans. Well, I had like,

we had like 1.3 million in the bank and we'd take it out like 600,000 or something. The problem was, I remember she was saying she was going on vacation, but it wouldn't, slowed down. It wouldn't stop the process, no big deal, where I'll put everything through. I'm like, okay, so we're still going to close within the next, you know, 30 days. Oh, yeah, no problem, no problem.

Well, she didn't. And I remember thinking it may be an issue. And right then, I, like, it was like, I was like, oh, God, what if she doesn't? I was like, was she saying she's going to. So I didn't, you know, I was questioning it, but she seemed like, I should have backed out. I should have right then been like, yeah, you know, I'll come back or I'll, I should have, but I didn't. And that was an issue. That was an issue. The other issue was the thing I did with Allison Arnold, which was where she Yeah, I'm done.

Thank you. Where I, where she pretended to be Rosita Perez. Mm-hmm. Like, that was so, there was just no real benefit. It was just Allison saying she wanted to do something. What could she do? I had, everything was going smoothly. without her doing that.

And for some reason, I was like, well, you know, you could do this. It was kind of like I was just trying new things to give her something. To give her something to do. And it was stupid. I could have given her, you know, I could have just said, look, let me give you $10. Right, go spend this. Right. You can pay me back later.

I'll get you on your feet. No big deal. But instead, and I was giving her money, I did rent her place and borrow stuff. But I was like, I did it just because it was kind of a practice run to see what would happen and this and that. And really what I was doing was working very smoothly and was just pure stupidity. It was like trial and error. Well, I mean, that's not the kind of business you do trial and error. Yeah.

Trial and error is somebody gets caught and goes to prison. And it was just a complete disregard for everything that I had already kind of knew was wasn't going to work or shouldn't be tried. And I tried it anyway because I was thinking, I'm not going in the bank. So worst case scenarios, they get grabbed. I'll get him a lawyer. Well, this, well, that, you know, it was just stupid. Yeah, but you can't always trust people in that situation. Oh, no, you can't trust anybody.

Nobody I know didn't turn on me immediately. But I didn't know that at the time. At the time, I thought, oh, well, you know, this person won't say anything. But that just wasn't the case, you know, which is fine. You know, I don't blame anybody. It was certainly, it was absolutely my fault. Like, I never should have involved Allison Aron, And she didn't even do anything.

She didn't even know anything. She was just... She was just in a bad spot, and I took advantage of the situation. She was there. Yeah. You know, and I should have known. I mean, I... Not that I should have known.

I did know, and I did it anyway. Because I thought, well, I wonder if this will work. Yeah, this should work. Yeah. Hey, we could do this. And what the fuck am I doing? I'm already... I've already got a full-proof plan that's making tons of money.

You wanted more? Yeah, well, it wasn't more. It was just trial and error. I wonder if this will work. Now it's just like, hey, let's tweak it here. this, let's do this. Hey, I wonder if this would work. It's like, okay, what are you doing? You're getting fucking creative? You've got a full-proof money-making machine right here.

Don't get cute. Just stick with the plan. It's working. Nobody, the banks didn't even know they were being defrauded. I'm buying a house for 50 or 40, recording the value, borrowing 150, 160, walking away with $100,000. Then the house goes into foreclosure six months later. the banks take it back they don't even realize that they lent $150,000 or $100,000

more on a house. They take it back, they sell it, they take the loss, they think, well, we just lost $100,000 that happens sometimes. And that's what they were, and it was happening for a year and a half. They're not even looking. They don't even realize it, and then I start getting cute. It was just, that was just pure stupid.

I think that answers the question pretty much. It's just stupidity. I've got lots of stupid things I did. It hurts me when you ask questions like that. I wouldn't screen them better. I didn't. You know, I'm just reading these. Danny Princeum. He picks these.

Yeah. I got one. Keep that in mind. From David Renee, who dropped $5 in the crab bucket. Thanks, David. If the U.S. government had offered Matt the chance to work for them for 20 years minimum, non-negotiable, in exchange for no prison time, would he have done it? I mean, am I going to get paid?

I mean, I still have to get paid. I still have to live. That's one of those questions. Are you setting terms? for the U.S. government. I am saying a term because if they're like, oh, we're going to pay you $24,000 a year for the next 20 years.

Well, I'm not, I mean. You'd rather just ride it out in jail. I don't know. I mean, that's like, can I work a side job? Like, am I, I'm an indentured servant for the next 20. You know, that's a tough, like, or you go to jail for 10 years or you get 26 years or 20, you know, whatever it is.

I need more. But I would basically say if the terms were correct, then yeah, I would absolutely do that. Of course. Good answer. Who wouldn't do that? You know, that's the whole Frank Abagnale thing. The Catch Me If You Can.

Like, everybody that watches the movie thinks that the FBI got him out of prison. They didn't get him out of prison. You know, he got out of prison on, if you read his book, he actually got out of prison on parole. He was denied, I think, the first and second time he was up for parole. I think he did, like, six years total on a huge sentence of like 14 years or something. I think it was 14 years. He ended up doing like five or six years. He gets out.

Then he starts working for the working teaching classes. Like it doesn't happen the way they portrayed it in the movie. He actually did all of his time. And people are like, oh yeah, the FBI came and they got him out. No, they didn't. You watch the movie, the movie's wrong. Read his book. He tells the whole, he tells exactly what happens in his book,

which is called The Art of Steel. That's his second book to Catch Me If You Can. And he goes over a whole bunch of scams and stuff too. It's actually pretty cool. Catch me if you can. The book is pretty cool. Really? The book is that same title?

Catch me if you can. It's almost exactly like the movie. Almost. There's some subtle differences. We're actually heading in a great direction because we got another question from Sandro Nelis, who dropped five bucks. What is the best fraud Matt ever heard about

and is it still going on? Also, he needs an audiobook version and he wants you to read it. He wants you to read the audio book. You must have just tuned in. I've got to, professional narrator doing the audio version

of... They don't want a professional. It's not going to happen. I can't read it. Read like a fourth grader. It would be horrible. And you wouldn't want to read it. Why don't you do your audiobook the same way

David Gagins did his audiobook? He didn't actually read from anything. He basically just did what we're doing. He had like a, so he had a professional... A story to somebody. Yeah, David Guggins did an audio version of his written book. And he basically had a guy who was a professional, like a professional story...

A guy who reads book. basically ask him a list of structured questions to where Goggins could fill in the blanks talking from the heart. You know what I mean? Right. So it was kind of like a hybrid podcast slash audiobook and it was actually really entertaining.

I thought it was done really well. You should check it out. That would be a good option for you to do. I think people would love that. You could give me the link. I could ask you the questions. I'll send it to you. I'll send it to you.

We can hang out, eat some crab. Yeah, we can eat crab and read your audio book. What is it? Shane is fucking up the trash. too much. He is. There's more crab over here. Yeah, you want these crab and taters? I mean, he's chewing up the bone. I'm going to let him go to waste.

He's chewing up the bone, too. I mean, it's the bone. My first time eating crab. I've got to be careful with that juice. Here, put it over here. It's juicy. Let me throw this. Don't waste it. Don't waste the juice. Don't waste the juice. Hey, who wants to see Danny drink the juice?

If anybody drops 10 bucks, Danny will drink the juice. 50 bucks, he'll drink the juice. I don't think Danny's drinking that juice He'll drink it Drop a crab emoji if you want to see Danny Drink the juice I need a toothpick

Let me hold a toothpick We can't even go out to dinner anywhere, Matt What do we do now? I can't I mean, boy he's he planned this He did enough The whole Nobody said nothing to me about food

The whole coronavirus thing He planned it Danny To make sure all the restaurants were shut down So that we couldn't go You don't have to pay for us. All that's left is crab. You know, the best restaurant he's brought me to is Waffle House.

Waffle House? You're not going to get much better than that. Yeah. I mean, that's the best. And I love Waffle House. That's top level for him. But for him, I mean, he's driving. What are you driving a Land Rover?

He's selling you short. Yeah. He's something else. So five stars. Yeah. It's this guy. When you first came on the podcast, we honestly thought that you might have been. hitting on Shane. We thought that you might have been horny for Shane.

Look, is that true? Come on. No. He's, you know, come on. Did I not say that after the first podcast? Yeah, we got some crab emojis. We were getting some vibes from you, Matt. We thought that you might have been playing both sides of the fence. We thought that maybe you didn't leave it behind the gate. Behind the gate. Listen, if I was gay, I would have stayed in prison. I'd have been perfectly happy. The gay guys in prison are the happiest guys there. They're really okay with everything. So it's like being in a women's prison. You're like, yeah. Where are we at? What are we doing? People are dropping up.

You're drinking crab juice. We got a lot of crabs in the chat. A lot of crabs. Where my crabs at? We got a lot of waffle house and crabs. All right. Let's let Shane finish eating these crab legs and I'll drink the juice. Oh, are you?

He's done. I know you're joking. Where are we at? We're about to watch you drink some crab juice. I said the crab legs aside. Should we put some Jack Daniels in the crab juice? Yeah, a little bit of Jack. Should we?

All right. We have another question here? It's just two hours. We're going on two hours. It feels like we just started. Danny picked the worst stuff to ask. Why would you pull it up so hot? Why is it the worst?

Just long, stupid questions. Just because you don't want to read it. He can't read the long question. He's doing fine. Listen to this one. Not really a question. If it's not even questions. If it's not a question, then don't read that.

Yeah, read it. It's a great comment. Yeah, what is it? They're letting you know it's not a question. We want to know his reaction to the comment. Not really a question. Hey, Matt, I take criminal justice courses at school, and we had to do a presentation on criminal of our choice.

Most people chose Bundy, the Zodiac Killer, you know, people like that, but I chose you. Your life of crime from this podcast just intrigue me so much. You're an excellent storyteller as well. Glad you got your life turned around. That's for. from Antonio 53 minutes ago. That's got to make you feel good.

Yeah, yeah, that's good. How do you feel? How does that make you feel? Do you like that? No, that makes me feel good. It's like when the guys, that he's got another one. Yeah, there's a lot of shit like this. I was going to say, there's, and then there's the ones that you're a scound, five months ago.

He's the most interesting self-centered narcissist I've ever liked. I watched all three videos, first two, back-to-back. I couldn't turn it off. It's funny that you completely love the self-centered narcissist thing. I have no problem with it. It's like... No, it's not that you don't have a problem with it. You kind of like, you push it.

Because it's true. You own it. Don't you have to own it? Yeah, you got it. I mean, what could I say? I could sit here and go, that's not true. Really because everything about you says something different. So for you to sit there and deny that, it just gives power to the people that are saying it in a negative light.

don't see it in a negative light. You know, I know it's, I know it's a thing. I know it's definitely, it's, I'm going to say it's an issue, you know, and in, and in some ways I'm working on it, and in some ways I'm running with it. So, you know, if I could, if I could tweak it enough so that I actually, you know, gave a shit about other people more, that would help. but it's it's difficult for me to focus in on other people without trying to switch the conversation back to me and it's an asshole thing to do and I see myself doing it all the time

and I'll walk away from a conversation and be like God you self-centered fucking selfish prick you just had that whole conversation with this person and every time you you tried to turn you turned it back on yourself and I'll see myself doing it in the middle of a conversation you know what I noticed about your podcast or not your podcast but when you went on Bubba the Love Sponches show Bubba's always

turned to stuff about making stuff about him Right Like he's interviewing you And the Diaco guys are talking about you Whatever and before he kind of like Gave in finally and let you tell the story I feel like he was always talking about something Like trying to relate it to himself

or talking about something that he went through and asking questions It seemed like he was Well I think to be in it to, I think to be an entertainment or to be a personality, you have to have a certain, a certain amount of narcissism. Yeah. I mean, Bubba's definitely a narcissist. Yeah, that's true.

But he also owns it. Do you think Bob was a bigger narcissist than you are? I hope so. I mean, I mean, I, you know, I don't know. I mean, I honestly, I. Way to be modest. For once. I mean, I, it.

You know, I honestly, if I could change it, I would, and I'm constantly struggling to make alterations to the behavior, and it's difficult. And knowing it, you would think knowing it, like they're like, you know, oh, admitting you have a problem is part of this, you know, half the battle. It's the first, bro, listen, I've known it. I've known it for a long time, and it's fucking difficult. Sometimes I just get sick of myself.

So, you know, I don't know. I don't know what the question was. Do I How was the Bubba podcast When you went on Bubba show How many times did you go on Bubba the Love Sponge? Twice I was excited just to go on

Because I grew up with Big Shot I grew up with I grew up you know He was the Howard Stern of the south Yeah Of the Tampa Bay area I think he worked with Howard Stern

Yeah he's a good friend Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean I thought the podcast was Fine I went on it twice But you know Here's a problem is too Is that it's a much different format

And it's a fraternity club kind of guys scream and holler. And kind of like this, but, but amplified. They really talk over each other. But you were with a couple of lawyers and then Bubba. Yeah, but the lawyers were, the lawyers were better than Baba. But it's the same thing. It's a lot of cutting up. And that's what people want to, they want to hear.

And when you're listening to a radio program, that's kind of what you want to hear. But it's like, okay, but I'm not one of the personalities here. you asked me here to tell my story. And then I start telling the story and they keep, they interrupt and they laugh and they choke. And it's like, well, I kind of feel like I'm supposed to get through the whole story.

That's what you asked me to do. And you keep interrupting and it keeps stretching. And next thing you know, it's three hours. I haven't told, really gone through the story. And it's like, I feel like I fucked up.

Like, I thought you wanted me to tell me. Like, I can't stop you from interrupting and talking. Yeah. So it's like, did I fuck up? Is it me or am I not understanding?

And the other thing is you go on these podcasts. and like you never talked to the guys. Like the guy from Valuetainment, I figured, okay, well, I'm, because like, even with you, when I got here, well, the first time we were here, I got here, I sat down and you said, okay, well, here's how it's kind of going to be.

And you kind of, you explained everything. You know, you said, yeah, we'll just talk about this. Just tell your story. How long's your story? What do you want to talk about? What do you think? So what's the best? You kind of had a little,

it was only five minutes, but we had a discussion. When I went to Valuetainment, I walked in, the guy sitting there, he's like, hey, Matthew, Matthew, Matthew Cox, Hey, how are you? How are you? That was a great impression of his voice, by the way.

Oh, yeah. And so he sits, I sit down and I'm like, hey, he's like, okay, well, yeah, we're going to go ahead and roll. And I'm like, well, are we, this is it? We're going to, he's like, yeah, yeah, I've already read everything on you. I know the story. I got you, everything. I was like, oh, okay, so. And then boom, it just started.

Time is money. I had no understanding what was going to happen. Same thing with Vlad. I sat down. His picture comes on. We talked for maybe a minute or two. about a release he asked me to sign. And I was like,

eh, the way it's worded, this and this, I'm not quite sure. I don't feel comfortable with this. He's like, well, you can write this in,

fix it. What do you want to write, say? I said, I just want to say this right here. And he's like, okay, that's fine.

I don't have a problem with that. So we changed a couple of things. So you literally signed a physical release, even though he was on Skype. So the camera guy had a release? Yeah, I had a release with Vlad, you know,

for the podcast. Same kind of thing I signed for Valuetainment. But, you know basically what they they asked you for like everything yeah and so you're you're kind almost it's not like you're signing over stuff but they act like oh it's not a big deal it's not a big deal but i've been in the situation where it's not a big deal it's not a big deal and you sign and then later on it's like oh well you sign here you sign yeah but you said that wasn't what i was signing you said it was this and oh that's what you sign you're like well fuck so

i always try to read through it and say learn the hard way yeah i'm not good with this and and they're like you know scribble that out and i'm like look if you're only going to put it on your platform. You're not going to sell it for a, for a documentary. You're not going to, no, no, no, no. It's just for my platform. It will only be up. Okay, great. Let's say that. And then I jot it down. So we had a quick discussion. He said, no problem. I jot it down, take a picture. And the next thing you know, he's like, okay, let's go ahead and start. Boom. So really, this has been like probably one of the best. Well, those. cast I've been on the, even though he's crazy and it's, it's long and it's like, but it's, it's, it's more casual and you don't.

What's more casual? You, this. It's a, for me, the valutainment guy was good. It was pretty good too. They're all good. They're all good. Well, they're bad. They just, those guys have been doing it way longer than I have or than we have.

Those guys have been doing those like one-on-one interview type shows for a long time and they've done a shitload more than I have. That's for sure. But you're not trying to put yourself in the, story. You're not trying to, you're not trying to dictate the story. You're like, so what happened? You're just like, so what happened next? So what happened? So you get to tell the story that you want to tell. Well, neither is Vlad. I mean, Vlad's not even on camera. He's just, no, but he does. No, he's not, he's asking questions and he's jumping. So if you have a certain, like, for me,

I have a chronological story that I basically tell. It's my story. You say, tell me your story. Do you jump from college back to high school and then to when you worked when you were 50 and then back to and then all the way back to the beginning? Or do you tell your story? If you had to tell your story, would you tell it chronologically? Yeah, yeah. You'd say it chronologically. These guys are all, some of these guys are all over the place. And sometimes they're asking questions like, so what do you think about mortgage rates right now?

What the fuck? I'm not in the mortgage industry. I've been in the mortgage industry for 15 years. How would I know what rates are going to do? What do you think the current real estate market's going to do? I don't own anything. I don't own a piece of property. I don't have any, I don't have my

finger on the pulse of real estate, so I don't know. So it's funny that they would even think that I would have any idea of what's going on. Well, those guys know what they're doing. Probably so more than we do, so.

Doubt it. Next question. Not really questions. All right. Flowmaster 925 four months ago. Before his plastic surgery, he looked like Theo Vaughn. You did look like Theo Vaughn before your plan. Theo Vaughn has a podcast.

Shane knows who he is. You look nothing like this guy. Where, let me see. He's a mullet. He has a mullet, but he has like the same nose you used to have. Used to have. If you had his hair parted down the middle, it did kind of a crazy.

Yeah, the center hair part. Yeah, could be. Could be. I'll take that. I'll take that. That's a compliment. There's worse things to be compared to. Yeah.

The O'Bon's a good-looking dude. I suppose. Go ahead. Next one. Dan Bowman, three months ago. You think Becky spent a whole 29K on more Coke? What is... Damn.

Becky looks like she did a mess, a whole mess of Coke. I don't... She never did coke when she was with me. Really? No. I find that so hard to believe. I mean, she may have that not with me. I don't know. 29 grand.

What's 29 grand? I don't know. Where did he say? I don't know where you got her from. I did cash a check one time, I think, for $29,000. Maybe that fell in the story somewhere. Somehow, I don't know. Everybody wants Danny to take a swig from the Jack Daniels bottle.

From the J.D. bottle? Yeah. Okay. Straight out the bottle. Did anyone give any money for it? No, but they're dropping a shit ton of sun emojis. Someone can drop five bucks. I'll take a swig.

Somebody drop five bucks, and Daniel will take a swig. Yeah. Yeah. What the heck? He's a jukebox. He don't play for free. My name's not shoe nice, mother. the fucker.

All right, next one. I got one. From Ben Lichinovsky. Will Matt ever release merch? A shirt that says, you're assuming I'm Gary Sullivan. Ha, ha, yes. And it's a deep cut.

That would be a really good one. The next merch line should be Matt Cox's merch line. Yeah. We could do a whole merch line. You're not doing that. Look at him. He's thinking, how can I make more money on that? We need a collaboration t-shirt.

One collaboration run. And we'll put it off. We'll give you all the proceeds. Huh? We'll give you all the proceeds. I guarantee that's not what he's thinking. To Gary Sullivan. To Gary Sullivan. As soon as we figure out a soche.

That's fucking great. Yeah, that would be. Oh, here's another one. Was Becky a freak? Who is Becky? Which one was Becky? Becky was the girl in the first story? The Bonnie and Clyde.

James McKay. The Bonnie and Clyde. That went on the run. Yeah, she was the one in a short blonde hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People would buy it. Typical what Becky would look like. Short blonde hair.

It looked like she did a lot of Coke. Oh, my God. People are into the merch. I probably could do. I should do it. And I've had multiple people say, you got to do a merch account. You got to do a merch account. You know.

We can do it. Yeah, no, listen, it's too much. Listen, this guy. Really. I mean, honestly. You seem surprised. Yeah. About what?

I don't know. I don't know. All right. I guess I, I guess I'm naive. Man. He seemed like the first night we did the one podcast and we went out and we went, we went somewhere in eight. He, Danny, when I walked away, he was like that. I remember everybody was like, so what was that guy like, you know, the guy?

Who said that? Just people were, you know, Stacy or people that had watched. They're like, so what was Danny like? So what was he like? I was like, he's really just a nice guy. Like he started concrete. Like I kind of thought he was kind of jerky, kind of like a jerk. I said, but he's not.

He's really a nice guy. And he started this whole thing just because he wanted to give people a platform to tell their stories. And, you know, it's like it's not even his full-time gig. He just does it because he likes it. He really enjoys it. And then, you know, ever since then I've slowly, my first impression was, you know, I was like, he really built him up. Yeah.

Then it's like, you know. It's all downhill from there. Wait a minute. We had somebody donate some money for you to take a shot. How much money? 50 N-O-K What the hell is the N-O-K? It's okay for you to take a shot out of the

Norwegian money. And it's okay. And it's okay. You can do it now. Since you skip the crab juice. Hun-ins. Smells good. I won't touch my lips to it because I know we're all drinking out of it.

All right, Matt. Brandy. Okay, I want to know what his opinions is on the current real estate market in Florida. We just had this conversation. I know. That's what I'm saying. All this shit is the same shit. Next, move on.

No idea. I read them all. I got one from Pablo 0832. What's the best restaurant you've been to on the run? Best meal. Was there a cheap food snack, fast food that you've always went back to even when your pockets were at the fullest? What's your favorite restaurant? That's the question.

They want to. The people have spoken. I have no idea No idea No idea No I mean There was a place we used to eat at in Charlotte North Carolina

We Beck and I had a Had an apartment Charlotte North Carolina We used to eat at a place called the brick It was It was great But it wasn't like a high-end restaurant

I'm not a food guy I'm not like it's not like I'm ordering a $150 steak dance Go to Waffle House Yeah bro I like I love Waffle House I love a good greasy spoon

What's your order at Waffle House? I could eat scrambled eggs and bacon for every fucking meal. Damn right. And a fountain soda. A fountain Coke. Not Pepsi, fountain Coke. Got to be Coke. It's got to be Coke.

I mean, I can't. Come on. It's got to be Coke? No, we got Pepsi. So you don't got a Coke. Yeah. Pepsi's, there's a huge difference, I think. Big difference.

That's why it's two different brands. It's got to be from the fountain drink, too. So you like the fountain better than the can? Of course. There's no comparison. But what if like the ratio, is off at a restaurant. Will that turn you off?

Yeah, like, water. Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, and the fact that, like, I'll notice that, bothers me because I'm like, are you going to say something? Are you that prick? Are you that prick? Are you that prick that goes, hey, you know. You know, your syrup ratios a lot. Yeah.

Can I get some more? The guy in the back, like, this fucking ass. So who do you think has, like, a perfect ratio? Consistently. What did I? I don't know. I didn't lose them, but I don't. I just got out of prison.

I barely bit, you know, the few times. I've only not a few times. times and that's when I get Danny to to cough up the money. When he peels off a couple dollar bills for you. Do you want to start talking about that now? You want to open up that can of worms?

He's the one who said it. I'm just having a conversation. Yeah. What more of these? Rip one off a motto. Here we go. Brian underscore Zamowski. Can you please ask Matt if he

thinks the fraud was worth doing? He had to do prison time has to pay it back. What does he think now looking back? Same old fucking question. It's the same question. It's basically the same question. It's different form.

Absolutely not, not worth it. It wasn't worth it. All right, here's this one. NFC. Not worth it. You get to narrate your book. My girlfriend doesn't want to stay with her mom because her mom isn't a good influence

nor a good mother. She's 17 and I'm 17. She lives with me now. The mom's says she's going to report her a runaway and have me arrested for hoarding a runaway. No human deserves to be taken as a joke, especially a young lady. How can the mother track us down if she decides to, and her phone location is off? What?

How can they get tracked down if her phone's phones off? I understand the question. They're going to report her a runaway. They're on the run. Fast story. They're on the run. They're on the run. How can they be?

How can they be tracked? How many months ago is that? Sounds to me like they only have to hold up on the phone. They didn't say that. It seems urgent. This was 12 minutes ago. It wasn't 12 minutes ago because I remember that was one of the things I read earlier today. Yeah, it was on the Instagram story today.

It says 12 minutes right here. Yeah, that's not like the screenshot. How can they be tracked? I can't. I can. They're not going to track. I don't know. You know a lot about the FBI tracking phones.

They're on the run and they're waiting right now. What should they do? Should they throw their phones out of the window? No, you don't. What are you talking about? They're probably watching right now. They're trying to figure this out. And you're reading this question isn't going to help them.

You're telling me that they're not going to. They ask the question. Track you down through your phone for a fucking runaway. They're going to fill out a piece. She's 17. Doesn't matter. FBI's not getting involved. He's 17.

They're not popping you off cellular towers. They're not doing anything like that. They're going to fill out a. police report and if she gets caught by the police doing something they'll run her name and it'll say hey you're a runaway if you have no contact with the police then you don't have to worry about you just hang out you'll be all right bud just chill out fine chill the hell out this isn't a question but it's a great comment listening to this guy read is like watching a drunk guy walk on ice that guy should have donated some money a shout out yeah williams

Could you donate some money so we can send Shane to the burn more beer 200 pound hat rack? Matt, I have a legitimate question. So since you've gotten out of prison, what have you been doing? And what would you suggest to somebody else who is trying to take their credit score from really shitty to really good? So how do you go about how do you someone like you go about building their credit score and creating a, fucking 8-Hundo credit score. What's the fastest way to build your credit score? It depends if you have no credit.

Yeah. What was your credit like when you got out of prison? I had nothing. Zero. I got three secured credit cards. And I made the minimum. I really didn't put anything on them. Like I got secured credit cards.

I put up like 300 bucks and $400 and $200 and $200 on three different ones. I kept the balances low. After six months of making payments, bam, I had like 730 or 740. Yeah, because it would have been higher, but it will become higher if you keep them below 30%. So you use 30% of your balance. Keep it below 30% of the balance, of the available balance, right? Keep it below 30% and then you just have to make those payments and maintain it.

And the longer you have that credit, the more history you have, the higher your credit score will go up. 30%. Keep it at 30%. Below 30%. What's your credit score right now? Man, right now, I think it's still like seven something. Like I had a, listen, my car. What do you mean still like seven something?

Well, because it was up. It went up. It was like 740, 7.50, and then it went down like 7.10 or 7.50. Was it ever eight something? No. Now? Ever. Since before or after prison?

I don't think so. I don't think it was never, it was always in the mid-sevins because I was constantly having these mortgages come and go and I buy a car and then six months I I drive it for eight months and trade it in and get another car so you're never really having that that longevity longevity longevity that longevity you know that history on so the best way is to open up credit cards and just keep making the payments keep below 30% right right and then you're first of all you don't need an 800 credit score okay the minimums are like 650 like the minimum scores are like 650 you want to get a better credit rating okay, in the mid-700s,

but very few people have 800 credit scores. It just doesn't make a massive amount of difference in your credit score. I mean, in your interest rate that you're borrowing if you have an 800 or $750. You're underwriting a loan. What's best case scenario for the person applying for that loan?

What they're looking for? They're looking for someone that has two or three credit cards, major credit cards. American Express? Yeah. Visa American Express. Discover, right.

So three credit cards. credit cards, a mortgage, and a car loan. That's like the perfect... It's like five... They have like five trade lines, and that's it. So if you have eight credit cards, two car loan... Now they're like, something's going on. This guy's getting loaded up with the day.

I'm sorry. I have to interrupt this. We have to put this on here. Is it B.B.? You have a pre-paid call. You will not be charged for this call. Is this your buddy? Brian English. Oh, my God.

This is inmate at a federal prison. This call is being recorded and is subject to monitoring. Hang up to the client call. Yeah. Dial 5 now. If you wish to block any future calls of this nature. Hello? Hey, you're live on YouTube right now.

Donny boy. You're live with Matt Cox on YouTube. Tell Matt Cox where you are right now. Nice. B3. Are you in B3? Coleman Resort. Are you in... Nice.

Nice. So... We got a podcast coming up with the Emperor of the Universe, Frank Amadeo. So tell me, what's it like in there right now? Yeah, we're going to pick you up. We're going to make a documentary about him. So tell me, what is it like right now inside Coleman Federal Prison? during this pandemic plague that we're dealing with.

Ask what the worst part is. What's the worst thing about being in there during this pandemic? What's the worst thing you've seen? The purple. Yeah, that's your buddy. Two of your buddies are here. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Are you bringing a camera crew because you're going to need one? I'll let you drive Has anybody Has anybody in Coleman That's in there locked up with you Been tested positive for coronavirus Come on, tell me

Tell me, well What's going on with the shoe? Why is the shoe full? Nobody else. You're in the fishbowl? And what's going on with your roommate, John? John LeBron John LeBron.

John LeBron? What? Yeah. Hey, I thought that's the damn I thought it was in shorts He thought it was in sandals It's not Ricky T's

Hey, you're far Hey, you're nowhere near Ricky T's Ask him if LeBron is doing yoga Is LeBron doing a lot of yoga in there with you? Oh, they moved him No

Wow What's he doing right now? Has you read It's insanity? Hey, have you read Have you read the Have you read the Matthew Cox story called Its Insanity about... Can you go call...

Can you wave down the emperor real quick and get him over there? He's not going to get him off the phone. I can't. I can't. Okay. Okay. Because if he gets on a phone, he'll get him caught up. Okay. You can't summon the emperor like that? That's what we're doing right now.

You can't summon the emperor on impulse like that. So are the security guards, the prison guards treating you any differently? Like, what's going on there? Give me a... Paint a picture for me. We'll bring a whole crew We need some people to donate some money in the comments to the commissary here Johnny Appleseed

Remember Johnny Appleseed? Everybody dropped some money for our boys and commissaries Hey, you're talking to a couple hundred people right now on the internet right now If there was one thing you wanted to communicate to the outside world If there was one thing you wanted to communicate to the outside world right now About what you're dealing with What would you want to let them know No so

All right, kid. Oh, my God. See ya, wouldn't want to be you. Is he, uh, is he going to a halfway house? How is he still the same person? Oh, that's classic. Nothing has changed. Is he going to a halfway house?

I don't know. Who knows? Oh, okay. I have no idea. That was fucking crazy. That just happened. I just recently found out he was in prison. He's new.

How long? Not the first time, but this is a new run. How long did he go? Previously? He's been in there for over 10 years. Previously for a cocaine charge. He's been out. So this is a new charge.

This was the 90. He missed the 90s. He was in prison throughout the entire 90s, and then he just recently went back for some other charge. So he's only in there for, I think, a year and a half or two years right now. Oh, okay. Huh. But what are the chances?

He's right where you were. I mean, that's crazy. You know, I was thinking about the correct. They're going to think we set that up. They're going to think we set that up. The phones are like this. So you're sitting there talking on the phone, the other guys right here. I mean, you know, it's a phone booth this wide.

Yeah. And there's stacks beside. So you've got this much room with a phone. So the other guy's right next to you and his phone. So you're all basically shoulder to shoulder. Yeah. Talking. I mean, that's how it is in the, the cells are about double the size is this right here.

No, not even double the size of this. About to hear. So they're like six foot by. maybe 10 feet, maybe 11 feet, with the bunk beds in there. So when you're counting, I mean, you're literally, you guys are standing in there. You're a foot away from, you're always a foot or two foot away from everybody all the time. So if it gets in there, they're pretty sure. Yeah.

I used to always say that, that every time, if one guy started coughing, within three days, you could lay in bed and just hear everybody all my. It's just constantly. Because you get sick immediately. So you just start to wash your hands all the time. I'd have to, you have to sleep with a towel wrapped around your head because people are screaming all the time and yelling. Inkjet. It's ridiculous. Printed these on inkjet?

Yeah, what do you want, a laser printer? No, these are like, it's really nice, like pictures. Those are the, like regular paper. No. Those are made for printing on T-shirts. Yeah, why did you use that? Are we, what are we doing? Yeah, are there any more questions?

Are we about to wrap this up? This is two and a half hours. I got a question from Spinrod Johansen. Spin rod. Can they repo your plastic surgery and make your hair go back to the old days? That's nice. That's nice. Somebody wrote a question.

I can do them like that. That's fucked up. Someone wrote a question asking about would I do any more plastic surgery and what would I do? Did you see that question? Yeah, we asked you that in the last podcast. You said you'd get hair graphs done again. I'd get more. I'd just get more.

Yeah. My hair see-through is too thin. But that's crazy how they fucking slice the back of your head? Mmm. It looks pretty good sitting right next to you. Well, I mean, I appreciate it. It needs to be thicker. And you have like no gray hair at all.

You have like zero gray. Are you kidding? I have tons of gray hair. Yeah, you have a few in the corners, I guess. Not much. Considering you're what, how old are you 50? I'm 50. 50?

50 years old, ladies gentlemen. So 50 and I would get, I think I'd get light, suction again. Really? Where did you get light on? Yeah, where the fuck would you just in, you know, I just like a little tighten up, and I like to get, like I get, I like to get my jaw lined down a bit. A little, little, little, little behind the ears, you know.

Tighten up the job. Like a little wet back under. Yeah, a little, yeah, a little, they take a, a thing and they, like a straw, and they, like, they suck it out. Yeah. Like, like a, like cheese. The dentist thing that they put in your mouth. Yeah, like cheese, you know, they stick a thing in, it sucks it out,

and you push the cheese down, and you just, Do you get to keep the cheese when they suck it out? I didn't inquire about the cheese, but you saw a fight club where they were taking the body fat, and they were making soap out of it. It's nice to have a bar of soap made of, like, me. You could call it like me. There's something for plastic surgeons. There's some merch.

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When he's drinking a bag of fat When he's trying to psych somebody out But The soap makes much more sense For shipping Of course You can't ship a bag of fat You can ship some bars of soap

It's cool Yeah We want some soap Leave a comment Have we run our course I mean it's Oh you know I can keep talking Yeah

I'll talk for what you want to talk about. I'll tell you what, you know. I buy a book. Now that we have some downtime, like I have books on Amazon, you can buy a book, it's cheap,

it's a pretty good book. It's a pretty good, it's a fucking great book, bro. Hell yeah. It's a great book. You wouldn't know, you don't read. Don't read.

Dumbass. It's, it's definitely, definitely buy a book. We got, and got to join the channel inside true crime. I got a whole bunch of my stories on,

their podcast, right? That's a podcast, right? They're narrated. Audio books, whatever. Working on some stuff. I got stuff going. Matt, what was the most favorite part of the whole deal, the whole shabang, the whole crime spree? What was like the one time you're like kicking back, you're like, this is it, this is the omega peak level right here.

You know, you remember? I didn't I sell this? When you were on, you were like overseas, right? Yeah. On a yacht? Okay. You remember?

Yeah. Yeah. Briefly. Briefly. It was on a cruise ship. It was on a yacht. Wow. It was a cruise ship and we were in our country.

Yeah. It was a cruise ship and I remember. In Greece? Yeah, we were going through the Mediterranean Sea. Okay. And we had been to Greece. We went to Greece. We went to Italy and we went to Croatia.

We were going to the Mediterranean. And we were laying out. on the top deck, and I remember the waiters bringing us, you know, drinks. I remember I looked over at the girl I was dating. She was like 25, 26 years old, and just. And you were what, like 35? I was 37. There's just, like, a month or so.

Smoking hot. And I remember she looked over at me. I remember she lips. She said, I love you. And I looked at it, I remember thinking, fuck, no matter what happens. I love you. This moment is worth it. I mean, I got a ton of money.

bank. I'm got a 26 year old chick. I mean, everything's gone. I'm a Mediterranean Sea. I'm on this fucking cruise. This is it. This is amazing. No matter what, this moment's worth it. And I was absolutely wrong about that. You felt like Jordan Bellford. I felt great at that moment. But listen, when the, after, then when the judge

sentenced me, I was like, not worth it. Not sure what I was thinking in that moment. Wasn't thinking rationally. Yeah. She's not calling you. No, no, I never heard. Where is she at? I got a letter.

Oh, yeah? Did she give her a credit card? She had her own credit card? Both, I had paid for everything for her. Yeah, you paid for everything, yeah. I mean, I, I bought her a car. Actually, I bought her a couple cars. Yeah, paid off all of her bills when we met, paid off everything.

Whatever bills she's running up or I'm just paying and I put money in her. I mean, you know, it's all stolen money anyway. Right. So, you know, it's, it's, it's, It spins like it's ridiculous. Didn't you say Jordan Belfort wanted you on his podcast? No. The Wolf of Wall Street?

I sit, the guy from Valuetainment, they gave me his information and said to contact him and say that I should be on his podcast. So I traded a couple emails with his assistant. And the whole Corona thing happened. Just like the thing with Blumhouse, the production company. Yeah. I was supposed to fly out to Los Angeles on the 21st of. last month because they want to talk to me about doing a series and we were supposed to fly out there and meet with them for like two or three hours and meet everybody and sit down and talk

about the series and then the corona thing happened and so they didn't fly anybody out they're not flying anybody out right right and so then we've we've swapped some emails and I've talked to Danny Rothbart is the guy who's uh with me on the project okay and so I've talked to him the last couple days and supposedly they want to put together some kind of Skype in the next week and then hopefully in a month where everything kind of opens back up whatever I'm supposed to fly in and talk to it. So we'll see what happens with that. Blumhouse is huge. They did like paranormal activity. What else they do? What other movies do? Get out. Get out. Yeah. They just did the invisible man. You know, um, Handmaid's Tale. They do that. They've got a bunch of,

they got like four series I think on Hulu and and uh, and so we've had no. We've had no. We've had multiple discussions about wanting to do a series where I'm in prison. I like the fact that they do a lot of smaller independent type movies. Handmaid's tales. Do they? Yeah. Handmaid's tale is great, right? And that grew?

Oh, it is. So good, though. It is. I've never seen that. It's so creepy. Yeah. Oh, you got to watch that. You can't, you watch one or two episodes.

That's it. It's over. You're just binging on it for the next week straight. Handmaid's tale. That's why I try not to watch any of those programs. Yeah, they get you hooked, huh? Yeah. They're made.

To watch them all at once. It's heroin. You can't just watch one. How long of the episodes? I think an hour. 45 minutes. It's good. I've been watching the Michael Jordan documentary.

It's all I've been watching lately. You love documentary. It's pretty good. It's a series, documentary series, 10 parts. You haven't seen any of it? That's good. I try not to watch TV. No.

I got sucked into Ozarks the other day. Oh, I watched that too. I would love Ozza. And then, yes, next two weeks, just every night. Two hours. Good one. You all watch Waco?

No. That was good. Yeah. That was fucking sick. I didn't watch that. I just watched it. Waco. Waco.

Waco, Texas? Yeah. That church cult in Texas. But they flip it and they tell the story from inside the church, rather from the FBI. It's a point of view. A.T.F point of view that you hear in the news. Yeah. It's like about the guy who runs a cult.

Yeah, David Koresh. Yes. Yeah. It was good. He was crazy. Yeah, he was out there. They really focused on his guitar playing in it, which I really appreciated. Really?

The guitars everywhere. He did throw him some acoustic shreds. Yeah. There was a scene where he was getting married, and while his brides were walking towards him, he was playing, Here Comes the Bride on like a sick flying V. Hell yeah.

One of the best wedding scenes. Did you watch The Tiger King? I watched one. I think I watched two episodes. I've been saying I watched one episode, but actually more I think about it, I think I watched two episodes. Yeah.

I just couldn't do it. No, come on. Everybody's telling me, you've got to watch it. It's amazing. Well, I mean, I watched two episodes. episodes and it's just, I mean, and I'm not, I'm not saying, it continues to get crazier. It's just straight white trash. It's just straight. It's just straight. It's just insanity. The guy, I'm broke your shit. That's what we love it. But I don't, I mean, I grew up in

Florida, you know, down the street from a trailer park. So, I mean, it was, you know, we were middle class, but there was a trailer part. So, I mean, I, I've been close enough to all the insanity of just, you know, drunks and people run around with bare feet. And they got fucking snakes. Wrestling tigers and all that crazy shit. I swear. I've seen it. Yeah.

What did you think of Ozarks? I love Ozarks. Ozarks is good. It's great. It's great. And I get all these people that keep telling me that, like I got friends that will call me, I've had five friends that have called me like, you know, have you seen Ozarks? So I just dropped a hundred bucks.

No, come on. Joe Laroca. Who the fuck? But you got to drink up some crab juice. That's what. I swear. Wow. Pretty, what to see it.

On God, give Matt some of this to put towards his restitution or at least buy him a few. There you go. A few ones. Danny, you got to drink up

some of that crab. You left out the last sentence that says, Danny, you got to drink up some of that sentence. Some selective reading. Drink the crab. Drink the crab.

Drink the crab. Drink the crab. Drink the crab. Oh! Oh, he's drinking the crab. That's crab juice. This is the only kind of stuff that you're going to see on concrete. You double back because that's good juice.

Oh, I don't waste that juice, boy. That too is good. It's not terrible. It's like butter and gravy. This is the best night of my life. Garlic and Old Bay is all that is in butter. It's garlic, Old Bay, and Jack Daniels. Fuck.

Hell yeah. He's going to feel that one later. It's like Viagra. It's going to go in one. He got a pipe down. True. Light a fire up, Andre. This is a repeating question, but people keep paying to see it.

They want to know about the best fraud story. I know you've already told it tonight, but just give a quick little rundown of it. What's the best thing? What's the best modern day fraud? There's any kind of fraud. What kind of fraud would you commit now? Or like a fraud that you've looked at. And then like, I could do that better.

I'm saving that. That's for the true crime podcast. Subscribe and you'll be hearing it. Yeah, he's saving that. That one's going behind the paywall of inside true crime. That's for the next episode. Matt Cox's only fans. That's right.

Matt Cox's only fan. Who thinks Matt Cox should have his only fan? Yeah, drop the egg plant emoji if you think Matt Cox should start an only fan. You know how many guys in prison we ever talk to? Because like the frog guys always find each other. And I've talked to fraud guys and like they'll come and I'm like, well, what'd you do? And they're like, oh, I did this and this and this. And you're like, okay, okay.

well why did you do that and then you know you start talking i'm like well why didn't you do this did you ever think about this and they're like right and then they're like right and then they're like fuck i didn't even think about that and they're like man you know then they start thinking a new ways to do it we would spend and i don't mean spending i don't mean spend an hour or two i'm talking about two or three hours a day yeah for months yeah and you perfect i mean to the point where you're like how do you get around that how do you the big thing is how do you get notified that the FBI or whoever, Secret Service FBI, that they've picked up on you.

That they've picked up on the fraud. How do you get, you know, how do you get that tip? How do you get tipped off? Yeah. And so, I mean, we got to the point where we're like, here's what you do. And you start, because here's what they're going to, here's how they're going to start the investigation.

So they're going to do this. The first thing they're going to do is they're going to go here. Well, if you're that person, they'll contact you and say, look, it's FBI or they'll walk in or they, I mean, we've literally laid out. there's got to be like four different ones where we had just, you're so bored. Right. And you've got, you know how many times you would meet somebody that I would meet somebody who's how did, well, how did you get your money?

Oh, I would transfer it to Bitcoins. I would do this. I would buy gold. I would do this. And so now it's like, okay, well, now I have another tool that I didn't have before. And then you would say, well, do you ever think about doing that? Next thing you know, man, it's, it's, there are some scams that you're just like, a lot of these guys would do scams in their own names or they would,

it would just what are those those are eggplants oh my god they want an only fan that's people who are you and only fans there's a ton of

like plants yeah the demand is there so the market is there it's all about supply and demand you got a strike while the eggplant is hot my man

how much for a matt cox painting how much for you know it's funny because I sold one recently this guy's guy gave me he sent me $350 and said look I'm going to send you

$350. Will you do a pay? What can I get for $3.50 is what he said. I was like, well, look, I can't do a five-foot painting for that. I can do a little painting. And I sent him a little thing. I can do this. He's like, great, do it.

And, you know, send it to me. So I'm actually painting it right now. I sent you a picture. I think I saw a picture. It was beautiful, Graham. The Joker. No, no. That's a finished one.

This one's not done yet. I just started painting it. And it was a Joker. I said, I can do it. I'll paint a Joker for you and put a little thing. And he actually told me, this is the quote I want you to paint in it. So I'm going to paint it and done and be done with it. What was

the quote? Oh, his quote was, he actually gave me a really long quote. I'm like, look, the painting is not big enough to put all that shit in there. So you got... Too much text. Yeah, it's too much. Cut it down. It's going to be, some people just want to, some people, we ended up with some people just want to watch the world burn. And so I'm going to put that and it's the Joker. Yeah, that's perfect for the Joker. Yeah. It's a painting

of the Joker. So how much, it could be, look, if somebody said, hey, look, and I've got another guy said, you know, I'll give you 500 bucks for something. I haven't done it yet. Yeah. But for 500 bucks, I'll tell you, look, this is what I'll give you. Yeah. You know, most of the paintings I sell are like 750.

I had a guy the other day do one that was like, 1,400. And I, but two, it's going to cost 200 bucks to send it to ship it to them. Okay. So, usually they're like 750, 850, you know, 650. I've had some guys that have been like 500 bucks. I've had a bunch of that were less 500 bucks. I mean, you know, the problem is it takes time. Yeah.

And, you know, so it's, the reason I like doing is that I can do the painting and I can answer comments and I can answer emails. And if Davey needs to talk to me for an hour, I can do that or if I need to set up a Skype or talk to somebody, some producer that's like wants to, that's looked at some of my stuff and it's saying, hey, we're thinking about this. You know, can you do this? Absolutely. I can do that in the middle of the day. If you have a job, if I'm working at FedEx, I can't tell my boss, hey, tomorrow I got to, at 1 o'clock, I got to talk to these guys for an hour and a half. They're going to be like, bro, no, you're loading boxes. Shane, how do you get through work on the construction site when every Thursday at 11 o'clock in the morning, you have to log on the Supreme app, to the Supreme app?

I thought you said the Priya app. And cop the latest drops. How do you tell your boss? How did your boss deal with that? I wake up for work at 5 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, but every... 11 o'clock, that's lunchtime. Hell yeah.

Oh, that's... That's perfect. Okay, that's my question. Because every Thursday at 11... Me and Luke, we're talking about it. Every Thursday at 11, you're always cop and supreme. Always got it. So we're wondering, like, what if you're, like, mid-poor?

It's preset the day before. So everything's ready to rock and roll. So you tell the boss... All times. You tell the boss the day before? I don't tell them nothing. You don't need to know. Just pre-sets.

You are the boss. phone nowadays. What do you mean a precess on your phone? You have a bot that automatically cops it for you? Yeah, there could be things like that. Might be fraud.

I don't know. Could be fraud. Have another gummy kid. That's some more crab. The crab looks tempting. It is about a tempting crab. Oh, God. What were we talking about?

Who sent that? What was that about? I'm sorry. That's, that's this guy that wants to produce the other show. He's saying that this is good. He doesn't like the background here? Nobody likes the background. It's your mom.

It looks like you're in your mom's basement. And first of all the great, look, it's a horrible color combination. Nobody looks good. Anybody with olive skin looked horrible with these colors. I look horrible. What kind of colors do we need? If you had a fine arts degree, what would you say we'd back here? Matt, what would you have fucking Ed Hardy in the background of your podcast?

I don't know who Ed Hardy is. Who's that? Affliction? What did that come out during the year 2006? Yeah, Matt was locked up for that whole series. This is Ed Hardy. Oh, okay, yeah. Okay, that would be sick on that one.

Yeah, that would be pretty cool. See? Listen, anything would be better than this. Matt, we were going for, like, an old, 80s, 60s, 70s, 70s. Throw the stuff is up if you like the back. Psychiatrist. And you achieved it. It was what you were going for was wrong.

Really? It was fucked up from the start. You know what I liked before? We were fucked before we even started. Yeah, I didn't like that. Why? It looked more professional. It looked like you were in a studio. Yeah, it looks like some fake-ass news shit.

Yeah, it was whack. It looks like we're, yeah, it looks like we're... Fake news. Fake news. Like we're Fox News. Looks like we're fucking seen. CNN or Bay News 9 or some shit, Matt. We're not trying to be futuristic here.

Plus, we have God creating man. And I feel like that's what we're doing here. Yeah. Okay. But what if it was like two crab claws touching each other? Ooh. Damn. That would be cool. I wouldn't mind it.

Matt, could you use your degree and turn that into two crab claws? Could you use your degree and turn that into two crab claws touching? Can we get a crab sculpture? I'm going to just read another question for the shit of it. This is Ricardo Villar. Here's the thing, though. I love this guy. He really didn't go into it trying to rip people off like Ponzi schemers

who actually ruined many personal lives. This guy just robbed Banks with a pen and a degree in fine arts. Is he a scumbag? Sure. That's probably the best. That's probably the best one you've read. the best kind of scumbag. The kind that ripped off insurance banks.

Fuck them. There's no, uh, yeah, there's no question. I, I, I like where his head's at. That was a good one. Oh, man, I'm drunk on crab juice. Oh, God, it's sick. You realize it's, it's almost three hours. Is that too long for you back on?

No, I'll keep going. Somebody had mentioned. We got to, somebody needs to. Should we wrap it up? Let us know in the comments. The crab juice is talking. We'll sit here and fuck around for another hour, but I mean, if you guys are getting bored, we'll sign off.

Yeah, you got to come up with some, come up with some decent questions so we can actually move forward. Not constant. Do you want a 50 milligram? I don't know what that is. I feel, I feel like I'll, I feel like I'll, I feel like I'll, I'll, it's called a turpicana. I feel like I will fail my urine test.

300 million. Definitely fail any test. Yeah, I can't. I can't. I'm sorry. Grab me a BL, will you? I can't. Yeah, don't.

Uh, yeah. Yeah. Break it. There's some more JD here. if you want some JD. Oh. No? Yes, no.

Maybe so. You know? Do they get too close to my mouth hole? When I was... Too crabby at this point. People want you to keep going. Are you serious? Do they really? Yeah.

Keep going. I got another question on here. Not really a question, but... Max. More... Three months... Max. Three months ago.

Like what they call me Michael. Oh. Michael Cox. Michael Cox. A lot of people did call you Michael Cox. Yeah. People want to know where the money. is. Oh yeah, I've heard that one. Where's the money, Matt? It's in his hairline. Nice.

What's the... All right, this guy says, Max, I work at a bank and we don't do that kind of stuff unless they have a debit card. They can either enter a pin on. The ID is legit and matches records, and they can answer as many questions as I want them to ask. I don't understand what that is. I don't either. That's not even a question. That's what I'm saying, man. Danny printed this shit for me to read on purpose. I think, Some shit. That's why you're eating it. Couldn't even have the good ones.

Have you ever been a victim of fraud? Oh yeah, I saw that one. I saw that one. Have you ever been a victim of fraud? Honestly. Great question. Have I? You know, I mean, stupid stuff.

Like one time, I don't even know if this was fraud. It was like one time, but like, I don't know what was like $40 or $80 or something came out of my ATM. In an ATM that I was nowhere near that was like across the state. It wasn't mine. It was just like I think it was a banking error. I mean, I've been burglarized a few times. I've had some houses broken into actual fraud.

The only thing close to fraud for me, I think, is that recently I tried to file my taxes through like TurboTax. And they said someone else has already filed taxes using my social security number. Somebody got your social. You know what they call? They call that the drop where you file for someone's taxes before that. Oh, yeah? And so I had to mail in my stuff with a letter to the IRS saying, And hey, I tried, but here's what they're saying

is someone else using my shit. So I sent that off, but I just sent that off. They already got your Trump check before you even got it? No, no. I got my trunk check. Oh, you got a Trump check? Yeah. My man. I went on the fucking fucker. I didn't get a Trump check. I went online and applied.

Everybody got a fucking Trump check except me. I haven't filed taxes in fucking 15, over 15, 16 years. How the fuck? So I went online and I applied. I said, hey. Give me my trump check. I haven't done it, but I had deserved this. news where they said even if you haven't applied, they said if you haven't filed taxes in the last two years,

you can still put your info in. You can go on the IRS and apply. I applied and I got it. I got a couple of days ago. And I actually sent something to my probation officer and said, hey, am I, do I have to pay restitution on this? We're exempting all those checks.

Oh, they're exempting restitution during the pandemic. They're not, no, they're not, only on the truck check. Just they're saying the check isn't like if you owe 20% of everything you make you're saying we're not going to hit your fucking check for that nice so it's like what'd you do with it i paid my i paid my bills i have that i i nothing fancy didn't treat yourself treat myself bro i'm i paid my rent you got a red lobster nothing it paid for gas for me

to get off the bridge so i could do this podcast you got the crispy crab i'm just saying with the trump check did you you know something might have went out and treated yourself something nice i just listen i reimbursed my from all the crap that i've had to pay out it's just $1,200. Listen, I know guys, people are getting like two and three, like they got like four kids, a wife that doesn't work, and they're getting like $3,000 and stuff. Oh, yeah, unemployment, people are getting like $3,000 a month,

something like that, $4,000 a month. Yeah. I don't know about that. Not about all that. Is that too much? That's way too much. Isn't it three grand a month? I thought it was $3,000 a month.

I think $600 a week. That's a little over $2,400. Yeah, close. Still, it's good fucking money. Hell, yeah. I got another. question. My goddamn taxes.

Has Matt ever climaxed during sex to Bon Jovi's runaway? That's a good question. That's some hard-hitting questions. Damn, you dug deep for that. She's laughing. It wasn't from her. No, no.

No, I have not. I have not, but it's something I'm going to look into. Cool. Look forward to. Have you ever owned a gun? If so, what kind? I had a concealed weapon. I had a gun when I had a concealed weapons permit, but that was like maybe 20 years ago. I think it was like 24, 25.

I had a gun. I think I had a, I had a, no, I had a 357. And I had a 9mm. Both Smith were Smith and Weston. Both were Smith and Weston. My girlfriend had a lady Smith, the girl I was dating at the time. And honestly, I think the concealed weapons permit was good for like two years or four years or something. And then it just expired because when you take that class, you kind of realize I really don't need to be carrying a gun.

Because if I'm going somewhere where I think I should carry a gun, then I shouldn't be going there. Right. Then don't go there. Somebody just donated $120. Really? Damn. Matt, come to Vegas and blow money with me. Danny better split this with you.

P.S. I just had to one-up the last guys. Don't you hear that, Danny didn't hear that. Hey, who's going to want up L-S experts? Matt, you have a cash app? You should have a cash app. They could just send you money right now. A Venmo. You need a Venmo.

An only fans. It's an app where you just plug your debit card to it. People could just send you money. What were the eggplants for? Oh, the only fans. You got to create only fans, Matt. Somebody wants to know if they pay PayPal you money. Can you send them a signed book and send it to Australia?

By the way, big fan. I mean, I would have to bought. I mean, I could do that. But that's too much work. Well, I mean, you know, I think it... They need to buy the book and send it to you. Yeah, typically they buy the book and they mail it to my P.O. box. I get it. I sign it. I mail it back to them.

So I'm not sure how that changes that other than I'm doing all the work for you. Right. So... Can't ask Matt to do all the hard work. Yeah, you can ask Matt. If you want the book, buy the book, send it to him, he'll send it back. I probably, honestly, send the stamp on it, too. Probably should buy like five or six books, but how often does that happen?

I mean, tell them, look, my, my email is, you know, you know, No. Contact Matt, or it's contact. Matthew.com at gmail.com. That's a fucking mouthful right there. Contact. Well, I mean, Matt Cox was taken. Matthew. Wait, what was it?

It's contact. Dot Matthew. dot. cox at gmail.com. Right. And it's Matthew with two T's. Yep, got that. So.

For. Have you ever met a Matthew with one T? Yeah. Really? Yeah, they have Matthews with one teeth. Great question. Never met a Matthew with one teeth. Yeah, definitely.

Fraud book. I don't know why, but they're out there. God damn, $120. Fuck yeah. That paid for the crab. Straight up. Thank you, L.S. experts. Straight up.

You got to go to Vegas with him. I got somebody telling me to fix this fucking drop thing back here. He has its two seconds of effort. It's kind of wriggly We actually have something being built We have a special backdrop being built Being commissioned right now For that

So is it gonna be a wall that's like here? No, it's gonna be back to where that On the same plane Because you want to see the door No, I don't really care about the door But if I do it where the door comes Like in front of the door There's not a little hallway

To walk behind Then you got a little hallway You just walk around the hallway Yeah, that sucks Yeah But then there's like I'm missing what you're going for here That's all

And that's my fault. I don't have your vision. And that's my fault. Yeah, well, you're also 30 years older than us. You can't blame me. It's nice that you would throw that out there. You're an old band, so you really don't have the... 30 years older.

20 years older than us. You might... You just don't understand art like we do, I guess. You know what I mean? Yeah, fine arts, you know, we're like... We're not qualified to talk about fine arts. We're like fine art. I'm not qualified.

I'm sorry. You don't have a piece of paper. There you understand. We're fine art minus the fine part about it. My degree. Three doesn't keep me warm at night. He and I. It's just art.

And Sam, Sam. And Sam, we're... But this is, it's art. Yeah, yeah. It's a different art. This is art. This is art. Oh, somebody just gave you $2 and wants to know.

That's great. How Matt, how did you use to clean money? Clean money. You didn't have to clean money, did you? Well, no, because it's coming from a loan. Right, exactly. But as far as, like, if I borrow, if I think this is what he's saying, like, if you borrow...

If you ever try to move it around. Right. If I borrow a bunch of money in the name of Gary Sullivan, how do I get it into an account where the government doesn't know? At that time, there was no Bitcoin. And there was no, so, and I didn't realize I had, I went to prison. I met a bunch of people. So you realize, okay, you could have bought diamonds. You could have bought gold. You could have, there's ways to launder it. Well, the only thing I could think of at the time was get it out in cash. Yeah. Get it out in cash and slowly put it back into another bank account. Or you could put it in, there's ways to get it. You buy some. real estate and just say, yeah, I'm paying rent is this much and you go buy money orders and you just deposit the money. And so, you know, there's, you could buy a house for $40,000. There's a shithole house. It's going to be worth $100,000 once it's renovated. But you got to put 40,000

renovations. Well, you can put the $40,000 renovations and you just don't say you did anything. You say, I bought it for $40 and I sold it for $100. Well, there's $60,000 worth of money that you can now say, look, I bought a house for 40. I sold it for 100. I made 60 grand. Well, really, you only made 10 or 20 grand. They don't know that. So you just made 40 grand cash, or you just laundered 40 grand. So there's ways to do it like that. But in my opinion, it was like I was just trying to get it out. That's why I would go in the bank and get out like $9,000. I'd open up 10 different bank accounts and four different names. And I'd go get $5,000 today. This account, this one, nine, three, every couple of days,

and then I would I put direct deposit money into each other's accounts so that they didn't just drain. They were, the balances were doing this all the time, then one day they just go. That seems like a lot to keep track of. Well, not really. As long as there's money, you know, you take a cashier's check

or you direct deposit here, you take out $7,000, you put in $30,000, you say, oh, by the way, can I get $7,000 in cash? Sure, no problem. That way the balances are. And I would get the money out, and then now I've got to fucking duffel bag full of money, you just got to put it into another bag.

So, I mean, I wasn't super sophisticated. Yeah. Because there was no Bitcoin in 2006. Why would Bitcoin have made a different? Well, because then I could just buy Bitcoin. And then what? You put it into your electronic wallet. The government, you know, because it's encrypted.

Yeah. And they now don't know where the money is. All we know is he bought Bitcoin. If you then transfer that money into another bank account, they don't really know. Where it came from? Where it came from. Okay. And where it disappeared to.

Or you could buy gold. So they can't track that. Right. So you go buy gold. You go buy diamonds. So I could, you can go buy $100,000 gold here and go across the street to another gold dealer and sell them the same money. You lose 6% but what does it matter?

Right. You deposit into your bank account or you get a check for it and you go deposit into some corporation or whatever. Look, as long as you're paying taxes on it and you can, if you're ever audited, you can say this is where I got the money. And there's tons of ways to launder money. But look, I wasn't that sophisticated and wasn't that big of a deal at the time anyway. Yeah. It wasn't that much money and it wasn't that concerned.

I don't know. That's the shitty answer, but that's fine. Someone just dropped $10 for your leg extension surgery. Nice. What? Anonymous American, you are a true American hero. Thank you for your service. And we appreciate you being here.

That hurt. That's just cruel. It's just mean. Out of nowhere. I don't know. We're just nowhere. We weren't even talking. Talking about leggy said, that's just mean.

This is mean. It's mean-spirited. But thanks for the money. Thanks for the 10. That's for Danny. And Danny didn't even hear the $10. So he's going to keep that 10. Oh, damn.

He's keeping the $10. Fucking scumb bad. I'm telling you. He's a fraud. He's a con man. Somebody, hey, here's another one. I'll drop another $100 if Danny kills the bottle of Jack Daniels in one drink

and Matt squirts a bottle of water in his face when he finishes the bottle. How much is in this? He can't. Nah. He ain't. That's almost half a bottle. From this angle, I thought there was just a little bit.

No, no. That's too much. He ain't coming back. He ain't got finishing. No. He's probably outside throwing up right now from the, uh, the, uh, the crab juice. He hasn't been right. He has been drinking the crab juice.

All right. Let me see if I got one. I didn't read yet. People want to know the biggest purchase you ever made. The biggest purchase ever made? Mm-hmm. Well, what, what, we made? Like on what?

I don't know. Money wise. I don't know. Like, whatever that. The most expensive car. Car? Whatever that inspires. Did you buy a house menu?

Did you buy like a $50,000? What is the biggest purchase? Did you buy? What does that inspire in your brain for you to talk about? Like a Rolex or something? But here's the thing. I mean, here's the thing. If I buy, if I bought a $10,000 Rolex, well, that's different.

That's just, you buy. Did you buy one? Not for $10. I bought, I bought like an $8,000. I've had a couple of the little. Eight grand. What are the, the, the, that ain't nothing. the um yeah i've never got like a presidential like a 20,000 dollar presidential

I mean like $50,000 I used to do not what am I'm not a retard I'm not it's just stupid um like that look I had a couple submariners you know they're cheap they're like five six grand yeah I mean I'm not saying that's cheap I'm saying it's not a $20,000 or $30,000 presidential it's not crazy it's it's when I was about to say reasonable you know when I said the other day when I was talking and I said I was broke I only had 80 grand in cash. I had no money. Guys went nuts. Like, that's not broke, you fucking asshole. But I'm saying, so what, like a car?

Like, I bought a car for like $90, $95,000. It was an Audi. But it was financed. Or I bought houses. I bought a $250,000 house. You know, I'm not sure those are. It's a tough question because. Yeah, but is it a purchase when I got the bank to lend me

$200,000 of the, I only put out 25 grand or 30 grand so you know it's like is that a huge purchase like something with a big wad of cash or nothing like I'm buying this Mercedes 80,000 cash no no I would never never do that no why when I can finance it I don't know that it's so easy because it's so easy for me to find you know what I mean like cash off the lot I wouldn't go buy something for 50 or 60 grand cash when I know I know I can put down five grand and get it financed no I because I can I can can get it cars houses anything like that anything secure right i can get a right not fucking spending 60 grand or 70 grand on a car that i can get financed right it's too

easy to make some pay stubs and and cover my employment and do a a fake identity what do you think about all like the rappers that go out and spend all the money on jewelry they're going broke trying to prove how much money they're they're going broke trying to prove they're rich that's just it's just complete stupidity and anybody who's impressed by that kind of stuff is just they just they're just uncouth I mean unreal the cooth that's a word my mom uses uncouth

they used to say you have no shout out anonymous American that's what they say to people drop not a 10 what were we talking about somebody just gave you $10 to give me for my leg extension they actually gave $20

$20 total Your leg extension Here's 10 bucks for your leg extensions Oh my God I want that money I really consider doing that Listen I seriously I told you Becky

No no no no no I know back then, but would you consider doing it now now that you're past 50 years old? Would you still do it? I seem so silly. And my arms are so short. I would look like... I would look like T-Rex.

You get the big legs. I would look like T-Rex. And I'd be walking around. I'd be like long legs and I have these little tiny arms. Can we get Luke to do a mock-up of what you would look like after your leg extension? I could do the mock-up. Yeah, but Luke would do a quicker one. I could do if we just put my head on a T-Rex.

We could make like a little animation. Like is in NBA 2K You're probably You could cut this up That'll be one of your things It'll be my head On a little T-Rex of the arms That's a great idea

That'll be one of your You're gonna mark that down Thanks, thank you Thank you Oh my God There's so much fine arts Fucking IQ in this room right now It's mind-blowing

Can't wait to do that But we got another one First of all Somebody said they'd give $100 if you finish The rest of the Jack Daniels And then Matt hit you in the face With a bottle of water

I'm willing to No For $100? Hell no What would it take that in? Like a thousand. For him, for me to chug the rest of the Jack Daniels? Oh, God.

A thousand dollars. Thousand bucks. You heard it, people. Right here. You heard it right here. One thousand. One thousand dollars. That guy from Vegas.

And then I had to split it with Matt. $2,000. Wow. What a shit? No, no, a thousand bucks. You want to talk about a lot. This man has short arms and deep pockets. No, I'm like an alligator.

First of all, you all get the tab. I got it. You already have $80. Hey, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'll get the bill. Somebody get me my beer. , $80 of my money.

He's got $80 of my money already. Yeah, you owe Matt 80 right now. Keep it on the board. Sam, write it on the board. Put it on the board. Did you hear yourself echo back in your ears? That's why you laugh. Sam, we're on the board.

Wow. Harsh. Oh, Jesus Christ. God damn leg extension. That is gnarly. Deep cut. No, no, that is like a serious surge. Can you do that?

No, he was thinking about it, but the girl that you were with. He didn't trust her. Where? How? Do you have to leave the country? No, no. They'll do it here. They basically...

They gave somebody a head transplant. What? Mexico does all sorts of shit, man. Somebody on a fucking head trit. I swear it's real, dude. Somebody just gave $50 for Matt's arm extensions. Yes, for 60 and new extensions. What about L-S experts?

Oh, you're going to be... You're going to have a new body, Matt, I guarantee you in Mexico. If we get up to like two grain, we can extend all four. Oh, my God. Matt Cox is going to look like LeBron James after we're done with this podcast.

It's going to be like 2K when you just max out all the stats. How much money have you think? Do you think LeBron James is spent on his hair? Have you seen, you know anything about LeBron? It ain't. It ain't. Still going out. I wonder how much he spent on somebody for their hair.

I'm not hating. I'm just saying if you spent a lot of my hair. For my extensions. For leg, arm extensions. I want the 50. Listen, I need this money coming in for me.

There's a money coming in. I'm not sure. I'll give it to you. I'll swear to God I'll give it to you. What's the tab at right now? 110? You can't add it up, I don't think. Yeah, it's 60 and 50.

It's 60, 20, and 50. There's a couple hondoes in there. Yeah, we got 100, 120. But those are from you. Jack Daniels. I'll give you something. I don't care. I'll give it all to Matt Cox.

I don't want any of that donation. Donation all to Matt Cox. The leg extension. Lebron Cox. They actually cut your, they break your legs, right? You break your, what, your shins? The bone. They break your shin bones or your femurs?

No, no, your femurs. What? What the femurs? Wait, wait, doesn't the thigh have to be in proportion with the shin? I have no idea. All I know is they drill into the bone. That's a point of plastic surgery. And then they extend it slowly.

And the bone keeps trying to grow together. So it'll grow together. Then they break it again. keeps growing together. So it takes six months to a year to get like a half an inch to an inch. Or they can break it and they slide a piece of coral in between the two. Because coral is just like bones made of the same type of, there's a certain corals by same density.

They did some shit like that in my neck. You get coral in your neck? They put a box in there with a bone to fuse my vertebrae together. Fuck. And they cut his neck up into the front. Yeah. Because there's a bunch of muscle in the back. It's easier to get through through the.

You don't look like you don't see any scars or anything. Right here. Yeah, but it's not bad. It could be bad. I've seen people wear it really bad. You know the one thing that still scars me to this day. The one video I'll never fucking forget. The unknown Russian soldier.

Oh my God, dude. I was at your house, dude, in like high school. Steak and Cheese.com. Oh, my God, dude. What the fuck. That was like the most fucked up thing. That was the most fucked up thing on the internet ever. I wonder if that website still exists.

I ain't looking at it up. It was a website dedicated to, like... Just gore. Gore. People dying. Or dead people. Like foreign videos and people being blown up and shit. It was like 4chan before a 4chan.

You could find pictures of Dale Earnhardt. Like his like, oh my God, dude, it was so, so gruesome. Are you going to put this back on? Are you going to put this? Is this just going to be live and that's it? Or you can actually keep this on so people can watch it? You can come back and watch it, right? No, they can come back and watch it.

Oh, okay. I don't know. Yeah. And then we're going to make a bunch of clips and funny thumbnails. Oh, yeah, we're going to cut it up into clickbait. All those times you went like this and stuff. Oh, yeah, of course I'll be. Arm extension.

Sam's learning. You're going to have to. Nice. Jesus. Oh, so, yeah, rotten.com. Rotten.com. That was it. Dude, that shit was fucked up.

That was a fucked up time. No, that unknown Russian soldier thing is the one video that never left me. Like, it's always stuck with me and gave me nightmares. It was the most, like, horrifying video. this guy, they had like, they had like his foot on his chest with this big, like, crocodile dung-dee. Serrated knife. Jagger and just saw this fucking net. While he was alive.

Yeah, what? Oh, yeah. That's crazy. But there's shit like that all over the internet. Dude, like that's, like, the fact there's people that, like, want to see that. We wanted to see it. But we were like, we were like 16 years old, though. Maybe that was the fucking audience, do you think?

Who else is on those? websites. Yeah. There were... Sick fucks. A bunch of sick fucks smoking weed in a parents house. The FBI arrested a whole, like, there has to be like, I don't know if it's 50 or 200, but any amount is plenty.

Yeah. Of guys that had paid, like, they were paying like three or $400 a month to be a part of a website where a father was molesting his daughter. Oh, oh, man. Who was eight until she was like 12 or 13, and they eventually got busted. They just busted all these guys who had been paying. like 400 bucks a month for like two years and this guy's like once a week he does a video where he like goes into his daughter's room and oh my that's so sick how did you find out about this there's a whole slew of in coleman oh in coleman you of course yeah this guy was in there not not not not I never knew who the guy was no but there are guys that paid for the guys that were paying so I paid for two you like some guy who's like who some guy who paid to you know 500 bucks or 400 bucks for like a year and a half or six months or three months and And these guys are getting like seven-year sentences, five-year sentences.

And they're like, and they would, you could be behind them, like, in line. You're sitting there waiting to get your chow. And you hear, like, two guys like, this is bullshit. And now I'm going to pay like $20,000 in restitution to this girl. I mean, it's ridiculous. I mean, I was only on, I only paid for four months. And you're sitting there thinking, they're like, I didn't do nothing. You were paying someone to rape his daughter.

And you're pissed because now you have to. It was just like. There's tons of those guys. So there's people that will watch all kinds of weird, stupid, ridiculous, disgusting shit. That is so beyond fucked up. I can't even fucking imagine. You ever seen bum fights? God damn.

Bum fights, yeah, yeah. That was on when I was out, and I used to watch that, and I used to watch Bang Bus every once in a while. It's ridiculous. Do you ever see backroom facials? No, but I surfed at this beach. What about Captain Stabbin? Yeah. Captain stabbing

What the fuck was that? It's like a dude on a pirate ship Boats. Basically. I saw, I was in, when I was in Mexico surfing at this weird secluded beach break And on the cliff was this big mansion

And the dude's like, oh yeah, that was the guy Who started I forget the name of it now. It was the college girls topless With the girls gone wild The dude who started girls gone wild his mansion was on the hill there and it was like alison arnold was in one of the girls gone wild whatever happened to that guy the guy you know yeah he

there was the whole thing with him and paris hilton and something yeah is he free now yeah i remember seen someone didn't he get in trouble for because some of some of the girls were like underage or something like that he got busted i think it was something like that i don't know oh shout out to our sponsor bud light by the way oh yeah shout out to bud light newport puff bar no not that Do you really have a sponsor with Bud Light? Maybe we do, maybe we don't. Not Cox. Starbucks.

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Really? Yeah. Do you know how many people are watching? Shout out Matthew. Shout out, my man. There's 277 people watching right now. 277. That's a lot of people.

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It's the best live stream show on the internet that streams at 1 p.m. every Thursday. Thursday. Be there. Get in the live chat and drop the kind of money that you're dropping right now. We might not have Matt Cox but we got me and that's it. That's all you need. Is it YouTube or it's it YouTube? Twitch. Okay. It's YouTube. Luke goes on there and he talks he like responds to comments and he does

like he posts his own animation show that he started where it's like Yeah, it's like part of it's like really cool. He makes these sick collages where he cuts like people out of like fashion magazines and he cuts out the mouth holes and the eye holes and he puts his own mouth and eyes. And he creates these sick animations that they're funny as fuck. You want to see an episode?

You should show to him. It's called Lames. It's pretty good. You know who, hey, what's the real estate guy that he, Ben, he interviewed Ben. You had him on your podcast. Oh, Graham? Graham. Graham.

I was thinking about Con, I wonder if Graham would be. I don't think he would do. He would, no, no, no. He's not up your alley. No, no, no. Okay. That's disappointing. Me.

It's very real estate. He's like, what's up, guys? Smash that like button. Yeah, yeah. He's a YouTuber. Yeah. He's definitely. He's super nice guy, though.

Yeah. Great guy. Check out this fine arts. Full screen that thing. I've seen this. Taco was a human centipede. Yeah, man. Let me get that into a Baja blast.

To be a Baja Blas. Okay. It's a show based on shame. Two stories. Because she has to watch and make these all day. I want to pick myself up by the bootstraps. If all Bernie Sanders and Nancy Pelosi come busting in my house take my bootstraps away from me. And I'm going out, man, going to lock them up.

Listen here, buddy, those are my boot straps. Anybody's going to be pulling on. It's going to be me. You got a better chance grabbing a turn by the cleaning. Grabbing my bootstraps. He is right. So go to that snow flakes. Yeah.

Look at that. He's posting that, and he doesn't have a million subscribers yet. Groundbreaking, animation. Groundbreaking. Hold on. Hold on. Pulletzer Prize worthy comedy. Hold on.

Hit up your boy. What I need right now is a Matt Cox fine arts degree review of what you just. Saul. Hey, Matt. Are you walking away from the table? I'm going to take out of the restroom. Okay.

You got a small bladder. Think about that answer. Small bladder. I already went three times. We're about to lose all our viewers. Nobody's here for us. Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

You're going to join him? In the bathroom at the same time. Oh, man. You eat more of this crab. Wait, wait, wait. Easy there, buddy. There's my crab. Anyone's going to be fucking with my crab.

It's me. mate. Oh, you almost spilled my crab juice. I wasn't even going to bring the whole thing. Is anybody out there going to donate some more hair grafts to Matt Cox? Or arm extensions? Or arm extensions? Or a neck extension? Whoa.

Hey, how about... The lipos. We need to have a wet vac the neck. We got to get rid of a second neck. Double neck. He needs two necks. What about a dick implant? Have you guys touched on that at all? I don't think anybody's talk about that yet We should ask him about that when he gets back

Is that a possibility? Oh yeah, there's multiple documentaries About that on YouTube I've seen Multiple I've already looked into it I've never searched it Don't worry about it Not that I'm interested

It just kind of popped up in my feed It's just spicy as hell Yeah, it's crispy crab You never had the crispy crab Crowsby crab? That's why I order on my birthday The crispy crab A Gams house

Where is the crispy crab? Oh shit, you just got some crab. Like, uh... Juice on my headphones. You just got $3 to do another deck hands. Oh, really? That'll cover it. Wow.

How much? How much? Three bucks? To do jack cans? You do another deckhands? That'll cover a pack of 305s for Shane Lee. That doesn't even cover Shane's Lee beers tab. You have no idea how expensive it is to have Shane Lee for the day.

No, it's expensive. Are you eating a shell? No, I told you. I told you. He's eating the bones, Matt. The bones. I don't need the bones. That is it or Matt.

I spit the shell out. Have you ever considered getting... Never had a crab before? Do you have you ever considered getting a penis implant? How much would that cost? I don't know. I haven't looked into that, although... Is anybody in the live chat?

I'm sure I should. No? Subscribe to Matt Cox, inside true crime on YouTube. Buy his... book on the run with the Secret Service Most Wanted Con artist with a fine arts degree

Matt Cox I can't think of anything else but you eating that crab I know me neither It's fire It just looks like a huge bug leg Like it's Starship Troopers I love that movie

It's a great movie Really? Yeah You Fine Arts Foxx you love Starship Troopers Are you serious you never saw it? That's a classic No

I'm glad we get a great Yeah see Yeah finally what kind of music do you listen to Matt Cox um country music really only country

pretty much what kind of country like Hank Williams Jr.? No like Kip Moore I don't know who that is Kenny Chesney Yeah The pop country fuck shit

Yeah What's your favorite movie of all time It's a I would say Why is that funny The way he asked it. The crab legs be hitting. They hit different.

Did you ever see Gattaca? Gattaca, no. Yeah, Gattaca and probably Shawshank. Shawshank, really? Shawshank was good, yeah. That's a classic movie. Because I remember watching it and just never saw the ending coming. I was just like, wow.

Didn't you name some of the names after Reservoir Dogs or something like that? Yeah, yeah. The scam I was running, the farming scam. Mr. Pink. Yeah, yeah. It was James Red, Brandon Green, David Silver, Michael White, Lee Black, William Blue. And somebody asked you about that, right? They thought it was funny or something.

I thought you told them the story. Nobody ever caught you on it? No, they never came. Well, keep in mind, they were all separate loans, separate places. It was just never overlap. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You mean when I got caught by the bank? I got caught by the bank

I don't know, maybe. Yeah, I was on the phone and the guy I was trying to explain to him how I got the appraisals jacked up. Yeah, maybe it was. Hey, is Waffle House open? I'm hungry still. Are they delivered?

Do they deliver? Yeah, it's Waffle House. Can you in there, can you? Fuck, you know, like you can't even drive through. They need to open my goddamn shit up, open up, get us back to work.

This is my constitutional right. To go outside and be close to other people and sit in Waffle House? I need my ass, man. Are you scared of the coronavirus? I want to say no, because I almost never leave. Like, I just stay home at paint. But I do notice that when I go out,

I'm hypervigilant about- Yeah, it gets weird and shit. Yeah, it gets weird, and I'm like, so I find myself being conscious not to touch my face, not to do things, but, you know, which, and then I touch my face, but, you know, like you push the door hand, handle open with your thing, you're this and you're that. But I'm not, it's not like I'm scared.

Stacey has like clients that won't leave the house. Like they're like, I'm not leaving. She had one client that told her, she's like, okay, I think you're being a little bit. Stacey's your landlord, right? Yeah. And my, a friend of mine, yeah. And she goes, she's like, I feel like you're being going over the top. And the woman told her, she said, she was, I don't feel comfortable talking to you on the phone right now.

What? Yeah, she was like, I mean, she was, that's how nuts she was. Wow. I haven't left my house in over a month. I this, I that, I order everything. I wash everything. It's like, what are you doing? I'm you fucking crazy here.

I mean, you know, I don't know, listen to the economy, what it's doing is the economy. I mean, this is just devastating. It's just ridiculous. Yeah. I mean, honestly, to be honest, couldn't we just let it run its course? I mean, granted, you're going to lose a chunk of people. Some people actually think that this whole thing is made up to ruin Donald Trump. That's crazy that.

that some people actually think that. I mean, it's not that crazy. I mean, maybe that is true. Bro. That is absolutely not true. It could be true. It could not be true. Donald Trump just cut me a check for $1,200.

If I could vote for them, I would vote for him. What if... $1,200. I mean, I know it's fucking crazy. It seems crazy out there in the universe. And we think that it's completely fucking absurd to think that. But all this aside, what if there was actually some people out there who fucking made all this shit up?

or created, actually released the virus just to fuck Donald Trump up for some political fucked up reasons. Who could generate a virus? That's so serious. Wouldn't wipe anybody. Truth bombs that you're drafting over there. You should change your first name to Alex. Because you are really, really blowing up the internet with that. I'm kind of retarded, okay?

The worst thing for Donald Trump is Donald Trump. And the only thing that's going to prevent him from doing anything is himself. Yeah, totally. Totally. I totally agree with you. But sometimes I fucking get really high. I think about, like, what... I just have this feeling. You don't need facts or news or information.

I just need this thought that I have. What if all this crazy fucking shit? What if? The crazy people are talking about. It's easy to ask questions about all that. Then how do you feel? Yeah. What if you are right?

And then you have to actually explain your thoughts. Have you ever heard... Now what do you do? Now, how do you feel? What do you say now? Yeah. Have you heard Sean Atwood explain his conspiracy theories about 9-11 and the Clinton shit? Some of that shit seems so outlandish and bizarre.

But it's not that far-fetched. But once he lays out all the facts, it's true. I mean, maybe somewhere down the road there will be somebody like that who actually goes in and finds out all the secrets and actually proves that this was some big conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are like a nice alternate reality It's like fan fiction for things that are actually happening It's easy to like ask questions And make up stories about what you think actually happened

But what's actually I mean nothing's ever conspiracy I think honestly that Ever? Nobody has any idea and things just happen And we're just reacting to it and nobody can No no nobody can just accept that things happen And there has to always be some like huge story behind something

That's controlled It's like, oh, somebody's controlling it. It's like, things just happen. It's easy you to be crazy one way or the other. Yeah, but it's really hard to just accept that people fuck up. Things slip through the cracks and shit just happens. And everything's random. Yeah.

Yeah. Dan, you just keep asking questions like that and have nothing to back it up. And then it's like, yeah, but you know what? Like sometimes should be like weird. What about Jeffrey Epstein? What do you think about Jeff Repstein? Do you think he killed himself? Who knows with that?

Oh, shit. I know about that. That one, I'll get on board with that one. That's too convenient. Luke's getting on board with one of conspiracy there. I get on that one. He killed himself. What about El Chapo?

What happened to him? Yeah, what about El Chapo? He ain't getting out now, now. I don't know. Definitely Jeffrey Epstein. There's no conspiracies with El Chapo. Oh, shit. I'll get on that one.

I'll get on that one. What do you think of Epstein, Matt? We already asked him. We had this. Yeah, I know. There's no way they murder them inside of him. Look, Matt, Matt's a guy. Matt's a guy who looks good.

He's got a lot of plastic surgery. He's really confident and he tells him he's got a good story, okay? Okay. Everyone is subscribed to the Matt Epstein. What do you think? Anything you say, people are, yeah, he hung himself. Why? I mean, because he had a ton of money. You don't think he could have bought his way out of his situation?

No, he would have never allowed to get that far. Too much leverage. No. First of all, it was too high profile. He's in prison. He hung himself. The going from the level he was at down to... Somebody killed him.

Huh? You don't think he was going to squeal. Tell the news on everybody. Listen, are you kidding? Listen, there's too many people to get into a prison and kill someone is virtually impossible. Not to have the guards do it, right? The guards aren't kind of... There's too many guards.

You really think he hung himself? Yeah. You don't think you think it's impossible for that to happen, for them to kill him inside there? Didn't you say... Too many cameras. There's too many people would have to be involved. Where's the footage? I have a question.

The cameras went bad. Why did the cameras go bad? That's a coincidence. Half the cameras don't work anyway. Well, what the, well, that's a convenient excuse. In general, in any prison anyway, tons of the cameras just don't work. That's where my tax went to bad cameras. Yeah, bad cameras.

That's unreal. There's bad cameras, and you're going to go get some guard. But they'll catch me going into do some bank fraud, I bet that. Some guard making $60,000 a year. How do I even approach you to say, hey, look, I know we're going to, you're going to be on Epstein's fucking thing. And we're going to get you and that other guard, Billy Bob. And we're talking to Billy Bob Thorne. We're going to get you guys to go in and kill Epstein.

That's never going to happen. Never? No. It could happen. No. They're going to, listen, they're going to be jammed. You don't think we kill you. Then they're going to kill you to go.

And then everything just disappears afterwards. And the cameras are, right? There's no case. There's no talk of it. He dies, disappears. Everybody's cool. Why do you do that? Why would he kill himself?

Wait, who's got something to gain from all this? killed himself. I don't know. Maybe somebody killed him. This shit is... These people are funny. I bet he ain't eating no snow crab right now. Yeah, he guarantee he ain't eating no snow crab.

Let's wrap this shit up. What are we doing here? Are you reading the car? This is just ridiculous. I got up the Epstein wormhole. Matt, why don't you read one? Oh, somebody thinks, I positive Epstein died from auto erotic asphyxiation.

He finished before he died, though. What about this is that the... That's good to know. The recent UFO photos released by... Yeah, what he's? think of those. I don't know. Nobody cares because

everyone's worried about coronavirus. Would you ever ever have a career in politics? I mean, you would be a great you would be a great president

in the United States. You'd be a great policy. I'd have to tone it down. I'd have to tone down some of the ridiculous things I say. I don't think so you'll ramp it up. You're nowhere near

Donald Trump's level. Yeah, but yeah. I'm, oh, God. It's, what a problem he is for him. I mean, that's the whole problem. It's like the whole narcissism.

I love the story you used to tell about when he got elected when you were in prison. And all the prisoners' reaction to him getting elected. They were so furious. They were so funny. They were upset. A lot of, well, a lot of guys were perfectly happy. Yeah. So, but the bulk of them.

And what's so funny is that the Trump administration has probably done more for prisoners than. More for prisoners? Yeah. Really? Absolutely. How so? You know, I got time off my sentence. Because of him, yeah, yeah.

Because of him. Lots of people did. I was supposed to get something like three months or something. Not Kanye West? Kim K. They're freeing all that people from prison. They are? What?

He's eating crabs. He's just eating crabs and he's fucked up. He's not even crab. He's just eating the shell. He's chewing on the shells. There's meat in these there shells. Okay. Yeah, Donald Trump signed one of the bills he signed. The BOP used to short you about seven days every year.

And so what happens is all these other administrations are like, we're going to fix that, we're going to fix it. And they never did. Obama had two terms, never fixed it. Trump comes in within a year or so. He's like, yeah, fuck it. Let's fix that shit. What do I have to sign?

Write it up. Sure, no problem. Boom. Guys are getting four months off their sentence, six months a year. I was supposed to actually get several months, but I was already in the halfway house by the time it happened. I ended up getting a few weeks. I was actually supposed to get a few months.

But, yeah, so, I mean, it's, you know, they're letting tons of people out right now because of the coronavirus. Yeah, in other countries, though, in this country? Oh, in this one. Really? Half the women in the camp and all the camps, if you did 50% of your time in the, in the camps, or in Coleman, they were letting the girls go.

Wow. If you did 50% of your time, and you were nonviolent, Well, most women have nonviolent crimes. So they're almost non-violent. Almost all non-violent. Yeah. So, yeah, guys are getting out left and right also on compassionate relief. He also signed in the Second Chance Act.

He's signed a ton of bills. I mean, look, it just doesn't make sense to keep guys, to keep some guy, some nonviolent guy, give him 20 years and keep him in jail for 20 years because he filled out some paperwork and, you know, some people lost some money. And that's horrible. Great. Get them out.

Let them start paying it back. Yeah. No, we're going to give them 20 years. I feel like they could have, like, taken you and made you, like, an intern for the CIA instead. Made you, like, an unpaid, like an unpaid, like an unpaid intern for it. Why is it always unpaid? I feel had bills. You could have been, like, a, you could have been, like a, what did I sleep on a bench?

You could have been, you could have been, like, a low paid intern for the Secret Service. I mean, I don't have a problem with that. At least you would have been doing something productive other than just sitting in prison. Right. I have, I don't have a problem with that. But first of all, you realize how much cheaper is. And then once you've done that for a certain amount. time.

You know how it's cheaper it is to keep someone on probation than it is to incarcerate them? How much cheaper? I don't know. It's got to be significant. I don't know to the actual number. But I do know that, you know, I'm paying for all my own bills and everything instead of the BOP playing. It's probably only a couple thousand dollars per year as opposed to $30,000 to keep you incarcerated. There's $30,000 to keep me incarcerated in the federal system. Probably only a couple grand to keep you on probation.

A lot of people are saying Trump 2020 in the show. What about we need Amadeo When does Amadeo get out of prison? When does he get out of prison? We need an Amadeo Matt Coxville. Shaman's spoken that Jet Hill. Nice. No, he's been eating those fucking gummies,

those hondo milligram gummies. And those crab legs, 100 milligram crab legs. Yeah. Crab legs just leveled me back out to plane zero. I'm back to when I walked in here. There's literally... I just started all over. There's crab fragments.

all over this area right now from Shane eating all those crab lids. You ordered it. No, I'm not complaining. I'm just saying. You paid for it. All this crap. The listeners paid for it. I wanted to share it with.

All right, let's wrap this up. Well, wait, we've got to find out when Amadeo's getting out. When's you get out? He's going to do this podcast this weekend. It's calling us soon with our inside connect Johnny Appleseed. Oh. Thanks for calling in. What a coincidence that he calls in live from Coleman.

They're going to think we planned that, but we didn't. It's a conspiracy. That's a close. friend. That's an old pal. I got it. Kyle Roberts just gave ten bucks. What?

Are you kidding me? Plot twist. Matt leaves Danny and goes to work for a name I can't mention. So, look, so he gets out July 26, 2000, 28. So we need Amadeo for President, 2028. 2028. Amadeo for president, 2028.

That's perfect, too. We got to vote for president. Amadeo for emperor. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Emperor, you're right. Emperor. I'm a d'emperor for Emperor.

2028. Nice. That's the way to go. We need shirts, and then we need different shirts with different quotes. All right, we can make that happen for sure. That's got to be, that's huge. Thank you, Kyle Roberts. Well, we got enough money here for you to, like, start running and, you know.

Start a campaign. We started a campaign, get some commercials out, get some yard signs going. This has been a great podcast, Matt. I hope you enjoyed your crab legs and your potatoes and your corn and your boiled peanuts. It was great to be able to sit next to you, too. Yeah. What do you think about Luke? I'm stop it.

Matt, you know what's so funny? Matt, what do you think about me and Luke for the first time? I think Luke's great. What do you think about it's a privilege sitting next to him? Can you replace a hat rack with Luke? Yeah.

What do you think? I have yet to have him not get fucked up the whole fucking night. You know what we kill him. Every time we do a podcast, you always make sure that he's going to be here. We need a sounding boy. You're, you're, you're, you know, pencil protector. He's a little rigid. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, you're, you know, we need somebody to kind of be like, hey, what's up? He's like, I prepared for this. Here's my questions, and let's answer them. He never prepares for nothing. And that's the worst part. You know what he's just killed? It kills, yeah, he's, yeah, completely unprepared.

It kills me the whole, the whole sitting next to you. Somebody call, somebody will send me an email or something, be like, hey, man, can, you know, can, you know. And I'll swap a couple of comments. And then, you know, I end up talking to him on the phone. Bro, it's so amazing to be talking to you. and it's so this and I just feel like I'm just some douchebag that just got out of fucking prison

and you're like, I'm like a huge fan and I email this crazy. I emailed this dude and he responded to me and next thing I know I'm an internet superstar. That's Danny. Danny made me an internet superstar. How does it feel? And he has no problem taking complete credit for it.

And all the money that's been given in the chat. Yeah. And you've been on Vlad TV. You've been on with the other one, Valuetamint. Valuetam. Bubba. Some rich weirdos flew you down to the Cayman Islands for like an interview. It was in Puerto Rico.

Oh, sorry. Get it right. Some fucking rich dudes and flew him down to Puerto Rico to give like a two-hour seminar. And you know what happened? What happened? I didn't tell you this. Listen, this is, I think it's serendipity, right? Serendipity.

It's where it's like, wow, it's like everything. Literally a couple days before that, I get a phone call from someone who says. How much they pay you $1,000? bucks? No. In Puerto Rico? Yeah. 1600. And the plane ticket and I stayed over at night at a very nice hotel. And they were great. But this is the cool part. Listen to this. The cool part is this. Is that a couple days beforehand, I get a phone call from somebody saying, hey, look, I know this, lawyer. I just met this lawyer. Did I tell you this? Everybody knows him. I don't think so, no. Okay. So here's what I'm not going to stop this time. So what happens is the lawyer, I know a lawyer,

entertainment lawyer. I told him about you. I checked it out. I read the whole thing. He went to the website. He checked out the website. Then he called somebody that he represented. Okay, great. So they talked to this woman named Ann and she's a producer. And so he goes, she wants to have a meeting with you. She's checked out your channel and all the stuff. She wants to talk. She does a bunch of movies. And I said, okay, cool. And I go, when can she talk to you? And I said, well, she can't talk to me on Tuesday or Wednesday, whatever it was. I said, because I'm going to Puerto Rico. And he goes, You know what? She's in Puerto Rico right now.

Oh, the Netflix lady. Yes. And I was like, well, I'm going to be in. He goes, so she's in Puerto Rico right now. Where are you going? I go, well, San Juan. He goes, let me make a couple calls. They make a couple calls.

Next thing I know, they call back. They go, she can meet you in Puerto Rico. She's going to be there anyway at that night. She's shooting all day. And at that night, she can meet you. So I go and I meet the guys, right? They pay me the $1,600 bucks. I get into an Uber.

I then go to San Juan. How do they pay you? Zill? Zell. Zell? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Chase QuickPay. Yeah. So then I go, I get an Uber.

I go to the Vanderbilt Hotel. Nice fucking hotel. I could have lived in the bathroom. It'd be the nicest fucking play. It was amazing. So I meet with her. I spend three hours with her. And that's when I met the guy,

Kevin, the guy from Entourage, Kevin, I don't know. Why can't I say it? What's his name? Kevin. Connolly, Kevin Connolly, he plays E in Entourage.

So I meet him, he's there. I meet her. I meet the other producer. We talk for three hours. And so we talked for like three hours. She's super cool. And so we have dinner. And she ends up saying, look, we're going to look over your content.

I like you. I like the content that I've seen. I definitely think we can do something. I'll be in touch. And I was like, okay, I don't think much of it. So, but, you know, I don't think anything's going to come of it. So what ends up happening is, like, two weeks later, I send her an text. And she says, oh my gosh, we were just, actually yesterday we were going to call you.

We looked over your stuff. I needed to call you. I'm so glad you. So I get on the phone. I talked to her a couple times. A week later I talked to her. She hooks me up with this other guy and with this guy from zero gravity. And then zero gravity comes in.

They say, look, we want to represent you on these two stories. And we'd like to manage you. And that's where I'm right now. We've had a bunch of phone calls and we're supposed to sign a contract with them to manage them. You only got to pay us $5,000 a month. We take 30% of all the money you make. Nobody's saying that's none of this. None of that's happening.

that's Danny's thing. So yeah, so that was a great trip. And that's, that's, uh, I think those things. I think those like producers are so weird. It's such like a thing of the past. Like to be like a, oh, I'm a Netflix producer. Yeah, let's meet. Let's go have lunch.

It's Netflix. We can talk about our, our new series that we're going to produce. You know, sign a shopping agreement with us. And, and we'll try to pitch you to HBO and, you know. You tell me that if, you tell me that if a producer from Netflix or from Blumhouse came in and said, look, we want to turn your thing. into this. You'd be like, hey, enough with you.

Hey, I'm good. Not interested in Netflix series. I'm Danny and I'm doing my thing and I'm not. Come on. You'd be like, well, let's talk about it. Well, let's think, let's look at this from a different perspective. Okay, let's say that this is actually a successful podcast. Let's say that.

Let's pretend this is successful. Let's pretend that. Okay. Okay. First of all, we are. Somebody just dropped $90. Wait, somebody just dropped 90 bucks and says, Danny has to eat one of Shane's old crab legs.

Keep up the good content So Hang on I'll make a point Hey I'd like to make a point You gotta pick up a show Ain't no meat left in there boy Oh fuck you

To fucking refund your $90 bitch Let's pretend That this is a successful A successful God damn Jack Daniels And cryble legs You sick fuck

You're sick Kyle Kyle God damn you Was that Kyle Roberts Who gave that $90 Yeah Oh you fuck Come on man

You got at least nibble on one Nasty Yeah, at least like pick it up. If you can convince Miss Sniffin to come on the podcast, then I'll fucking, I'll do it. Pick it up. Oh, there's some meat left in that leg right there. I'm not touching that leg.

He just touched it and just put it up to your lips. Let's pretend that this was a successful podcast on YouTube back on Fox. It'd be successful if you had some crab legs in your mouth. Let's say that this was, for example, a Joe Rogan-style podcast that got every episode got a million views. Right. I saw Joe Rogan have a crab. Why hasn't he taken a deal with Netflix or one of these things? He makes $50 million a year.

Don, dot, dot, don't. There you go. He didn't sign the deal with the devil. He makes his own money. He fucking creates his own content. He owns everything that he does. He has all of his own subscribers. He doesn't have anyone wearing a tie telling him what to fucking do.

I understand, but you think that that's what's going to happen here. It's not that I'm not impressed. No, the point is it's not going to happen here. It happened with it. It would happen with someone that was on his level. He controls everything he does. Right. He's not going to have,

no one like Netflix can offer him anything that's worth anything. Because he made, if it was Joe Rogan and he made $100,000 a year. Sorry, that's another conversation. If Joe Rogan and me, he made $100,000 a year and Netflix came in, I think he'd take it. Yeah, but the point is they wouldn't offer him that if he was only making $100,000 a year

because he wouldn't have enough viewers to make any kind of difference on Netflix's fucking scale on their meter. It wouldn't do anything for them. Why am I not? Am I not understanding? Is this me? Yeah, you're not understanding it. You're completely missing it.

I am. I am missing it. You are. I'm saying that you have an opportunity to have a Netflix series. God knows what they're going to pay you. God knows the exposure. It's going to be, it would be amazing exposure.

It could probably be a great payday. It might run for 10 years. Look, I think it's cool for people that made the Tiger King documentary because they spent five years filming and producing something that never saw the light of day, right? Nobody saw it. But, for example, If you're someone who's creating stuff that's being published all the time and you're kind of like building a brand and you're building an audience.

But are you building that brand to ultimately kind of go to the next level or just continue on? Yeah, definitely go to the next level. You're always trying to go to the next level. Is the next level what? The next level is just the next level is gaining more of an audience, gaining building a stronger brand. That's the next level. It's just constantly trying to grow.

what you have and make it stronger, make it bigger. So if someone said, hey, we like what you've done with, with deck hands, with deck hands, and we're thinking about taking some of those characters, we'd love to turn that into a Netflix series about guys with alcohol problems who work on boats, and we think that'd be great, and would you be interested in working with us on some type of a series? That's different. That's different, because deck hands are like a one-off series that we did. That Kansas isn't like this show.

Well, okay, let's not say this show because this show isn't me. I'm saying in general, me going and trying to do something where they say, look, we like your story. We like to take it and turn it into a series where you're in prison. I get what you're saying. I totally get what you're saying. My point is that I think that the whole like, like I'm going to meet with a producer of a TV network to go talk about pitching a new TV show.

Like that's a thing of the past. that's something that is not going to last that much longer because people, I feel like the future of this kind of shit. It seems like it's doing okay. Yeah, Netflix is definitely doing okay. What about Hulu? Are they doing it? They're doing it right?

Yeah, they might be. My point is that people are making their own content. Amazon is going on. Oh, no, wait. No, everybody wants to strike today. Amazon, how much money are they making off of their content that they're purchasing? I don't know, but I know that if they're willing to dump, you know, a, billion dollars or half a billion dollars into content

Is Amazon what like the third biggest company in the fucking world? They have a space program and a content program Of course, yeah, if they're making it A little thin. If they're building rockets, maybe they're going to spend some money on content, Matt. Yeah. You're right.

Let's spend some money on like a cartoon. And these space rockets. From a business perspective, you just don't dump money that you're going to lose. You just don't do it. You don't say, hey, you know, we've got a trillion dollars. Yeah. Let's go ahead and throw away a billion. Why?

Well, because we're like that. No, you still have shareholders. You still have to answer it. You're supposed to be making decisions that are furthering your agenda. So you can't just piss away money. You're a public company and you have to, you have billions of dollars you're accountable for. You have to hedge your bets in one way or the other. So they're not making badness.

They're doing like, this makes sense here. Now, do we lose? Yes, we might end up losing, but ultimately we think we're going to make money at it. So they're not saying we're just pissing away. They're buying it. They're thinking there's some science behind it that says it's going to ultimately pay off. And they're making programs. Yeah, they are making programs.

I think that Netflix and I think those types of series that are doing it much quicker, I think what's dying off is movies. Hollywood is dying off. That's what I was getting out originally. Those companies, yeah, those company, that way of thinking, hey, we're going to spend four years putting together a movie. You know how many times they've optioned that Rolling Stone magazine article? Three times. Every 18 months. It's been four and a half, almost four and a half years

that they've been optioning this fucking thing. You haven't made a movie yet. Are you serious? Netflix would have had the movie done in six months. Matt, this is a four-hour podcast. It's not my fault. People are still asking for more in there, too. People are expecting something from you, Danny.

Kyle Roberts gave $90. and you haven't done a goddamn thing for it. I'm not a fucking circus monkey, Kyle. That's great. God damn a cow! Oh, man. You got to do something for him. I'm in the middle of doing a live podcast right now.

Why don't you do something? Because it's not my show. Yeah, it is. I'm only the facilitator. You're a quarter of the show right now. I am like an eighth of the show. No, you're one quarter. There's 25% right now.

No, actually, no, you're 20%. You're 20% because Sam is part of this throw. Sam is split even around here. It is. There's five of us. How many subscribers do you have? On what? 8 million.

8 million? 8 million? I know you're joking. No, it's 8.2 million. Wait, with the mouth thing? Yes. No, no, that's a different channel. Oh, okay.

But he shows the mouth thing on the live stream. Faxverse. Everybody go check out Faxverse. Oh, yeah, yeah, Faxverse. Facts first. Facts first. Thursdays at 1. You guys are going to love this.

out your boy. 8 million. 8 million. You do have a cool little robot. Look that robot. I like the robot. It's nice. It's simple.

It's clean. Make thumbnails. That Cox approves of the robot design. Look at that thumbnail. That was done on... I don't just do it to you. I do it's everybody. The robot was made on fiber.

It is amazing that you can mock your subjects and still get content, still get them to come back. I'm shocked every time I see one of these fucking things with that's Danny. That you've, apparently, you've done. Every time I see it and I go, oh, that's it. This motherfucker is gone. We're gone. This is rock bottom. Huh?

This is rock bottom. But there is always lower to go. There's always... You can always go lower. You think basement, then you think no weight. Bunker, then you think no weight, septic tank. Yeah.

I'll show you one that I did today. Oh, the shit hand? Super pumped about. It was about 20 gross vintage hygiene trends. That's what I'm doing. My fine arts degree. Oh, my God. Look at that.

How did you not clear? on that. Watch me. Wow. That's just... I'm sorry, I don't have a degree. Sorry I'm not making sculptures. Yeah, it is.

I'm sorry, I don't like, I'm sorry I don't like waking up at 7 a.m. to have some uninspired fucks making pennies trying to tell me what to do with my life and teach me things. Teach me bullshit. I don't understand what was that about. Hey, where we got into that? School. School? Teachers.

Did you have a good time getting your degree? I met my wife in school. Okay. Does Sam knower? That is my one. Oh, okay. I had a great time in school. It taught me how to think.

Right. I was going to say, there's a lot of problem solving. There's a lot of... I still don't know how to think. It taught me how to think and how to use Photoshop and how to... I learned Photoshop in high school. Mr. Barney. You've never learned Photoshop.

Regardless, we're all sitting at the same table right now. Yeah, that's true. We're all equals. Sorry, man. Matt Cox. You got to come down to our level. Seriously. What do you mean?

I'm not, listen, don't, I, listen, I want my $112 or whatever it's come to. Yeah, it was just fucking

buck 50. You need those leg extensions. Yes, you do. We're going to need the four-hour extensions. If Matt Cox can get his leg extensions, I will do everything I can to contribute to that,

and we will make a full-on documentary, 10-part documentary about Matt Cox getting his leg extensions. What if you got a bunch of legs and you look like a crab? Oh,

You could, I'm sure you could do a, I'm sure you could do a mock-up. I could turn you into a crab. I'll get some mock-ups. We'll do a crab, a lobster, a cropfish. Shit, we'll even do like a sea slug. A dolphin. You ever wanted to be a manatee? What about robot legs?

Would you ever get robot, like, Terminator legs? Ooh. Chop the legs off. Stingray. String ray. Yeah, Terminator eye. I don't get back to the gym. I'm going to look like I have fucking, uh, so,

any robot legs. You should get a Terminator eye, but instead of finding who to kill, it finds who to scam. And like when it lost... It tells you their bank balance? Their credit score. Oh my God.

They're so... The ultimate scam. I don't deserve this. Oh, my God. Nothing but polite to everybody. We deserve each other. Yeah, we all deserve each other, that's for sure. It's time to end this shit.

We've hit rock bottom. This is pretty bad. You could always go lower. Mm-hmm. We push the envelope every time. Oh, Kyle Roberts just commented Mr. Jewel, but spelled it, Jewel. That's how it is spelled. That's how he spells his name for real.

It is J-U-U-L. Oh, that's amazing. I swear to God. Mr. Jewel. Mr. Jewel. That's where I learned how to use Photoshop in his class. It shows. Fuck off.

That's where Danny got his art's degree. My Photoshop's decent. You know how to open it. He's a Photoshop snob. All right, well, it's been fun. It's been real, it's been fun, but it ain't been real fun. I've had a great time. It was a great time, honestly.

Sam, you had a good time? Thank you. Shout out to Sam, aka Stink Lines for running the camera switcher. Stinkline 69, holding it down. On this podcast, she completely crushed it. She did a great job. And thanks to Matt Cox for coming in here and sharing all his amazing knowledge and wisdom on fine arts and real estate.

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Matt Cox benefits because he gets taller. He gets taller. He gets to look more like LeBron James. And the whole entire YouTube universe benefits because us three are going to make a documentary about Matt Cox getting his leg extensions. Is true. Imagine if like suddenly there was like $40,000, $50,000 came in and you guys come to me and say, no, seriously, you have to do it like this thing. Can't do it. It's not enough money.

You're going to do it, right? I don't know. I don't think it is. It depends what country you get it done in. Yeah, true. We could go to fucking Peru and get your leg in six. Take a road trip. You have to be immobile.

You have to be immobile. Do you understand you have to be immobile? You have to be like stationing. Don't worry. We'll get you a live cam. You can't do anything. We'll get you a live stream set up. You have to have somebody take care of you.

I'll take care of you right here. I'd rather have a backie. We'll strap you down right here for six months. You're going to throw money. It's a lot. Matt, don't worry. We'll take care of you. Thanks, everybody.

We appreciate all the love and support. I hope you like the crab as much he did. The crab was delicious. Thanks. Stink lines do us all a favor and end the stream.