Danny Jones Podcast - #410 - “A Demon Called Me” Ex-Freemason Comes Clean on Secret Societies | Sean Stone

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Sean Stone is a filmmaker, author, actor, and son of Oliver Stone. Sean explains the occult architecture behind global elites and his experience being initiated into Freemasonry. SPONSORS https://superpower.com - Use code DANNY at checkout for $20 off your membership. https://amentara.com/go/dj - Use code DJP22 for 22% off your first order. https://shopify.com/dannyjones - You don’t need a real job. Build your own business with a free trial today. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS https://www.seanstone.info @TheRealSeanStone FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Growing up with Oliver Stone's movies 04:36 - Bin Laden was CIA 08:30 - War is what unifies society 14:40 - We've been lied to about Islam 23:18 - The Illuminati started the mafia 27:03 - Who was REALLY behind JFK's death 36:15 - Evidence JFK's death was a military coup 42:54 - Mary's Monkey & cancer weapons 44:20 - Destroyed JFK files & the Israeli motive 54:33 - Arnon Milchan & the Bibi Files 56:58 - "Netanyahu is a sociopath" 01:00:41 - Scenes cut from "Eyes Wide Shut" 01:03:03 - The technology lie behind the moon landing 01:09:15 - Military craft started the Palisades Fire 01:17:05 - Psychological operations & election fraud 01:21:42 - Silicon Valley's spiritual war 01:28:25 - Freemasonry & ghost hunting 01:33:41 - Church of the Freemasons 01:36:31 - Theory aliens come from occult portals 01:43:18 - Enochian Magic rituals 01:50:35 - The Initiated bloodline families who control the world 01:54:08 - 10 things to learn 01:58:14 - Roman cults of power 02:08:47 - The skull of Mary Magdalene & Hitler's jaw 02:10:18 - Hitler escaped the bunker 02:15:13 - Psychedelics & consciousness Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Your dad's movies on the history of the United States were my initiation into like the truth about American foreign policy. Really? And the history of America. Well, that's how I grew up with. Yeah. That's how I got into all this stuff. I mean, regardless of school, which I didn't pay attention to. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, that was kind of, kind of my experience of, you know, talking, you know, my conversations with him back in the 90s. because he loves history. And, you know, he would encourage me, and he'd have, like, you know, William Blum's book about the CIA and, you know, Black Ops, that kind of stuff. And I would read it.

And we'd travel the world too. And we went to, like, in 2000, we went to Serbia and Kosovo and saw, you know, the aftermath of the U.S. bombing, right, of Belgrade and the war there. And then, you know, in 2001, we went to, Israel and West Bank, my dad was trying to interview Arafat for a documentary he was doing called Persona Non Grata.

And so I was with him when he was interviewing Netanyahu and Perez and Barak. And we went and talked to some guys from Hamas. We interviewed Alaksa Marta Brigade guys. They had to, we were in Ramal on the West Bank and they had to literally like put us in a black van. So we didn't know where we were, drive us into the city. going blindfolded. You know, the guys wore masks during the interview. Like, you know, we had, so stuff like that, you know,

that was part of my education as a kid. Wow, dude. What a crazy experience for you? What were you in, like, your early 20s back then? I was 16. 16 years old doing this shit with your dad. It was 2002, sorry. That was right after 9-11, yeah.

Holy shit, dude. What a wild upbringing. Yeah, yeah. What, like, a way to shape your view of the world, like, so early in life. Like, it gave me a lot of perspective. Yeah. in a lot of contrast when you travel. Because I was, you know, I grew up traveling, you know,

at six months. We were in Mexico doing Salvador. A year we were doing platoon in the Philippines. Two years, doing two years old doing Wall Street in New York. Three was like talk radio and born on the Fourth of July, which was Dallas and back to Philippines. So, you know, fine. And it's like five was five, six was the doors. Seven was JFK.

So it was like, yeah, I mean, I was being formed by a lot of political films, right? and stories that were counter to the mainstream narrative. So I was, you know, by the time I was like 16 in high school, I was writing my thesis paper on like, and this was right after 9-11, I was like writing my thesis paper on like how our policy was actually fomenting Islamic terrorism. Wow.

That was like a senior, like a senior in high school, not even in college. Like how our foreign policy was like overthrowing, you know, it was overthrowing nationalists and promoting like, like the Muslim Brotherhood type of groups, you know, which is really what, you know, what still was going on all the way to like, you know, through ISIS and the overthrow of Gaddafi and Libya. I mean, it's always been that policy. It's been like overthrowing anyone that's a nationalist.

It's like pro-sovereignty and a strong leader. You know, Nassar was one of the prime examples, you know. It's like, let's foment the Muslim Brotherhood against Nassar back in the 50s and 60s. And all of a sudden the Muslim Brotherhood becomes this terrorist network that, you know, to this day, I would say it's still terrorist. and its orientation. But it's, you know, people think that this is like, that this is some kind of Islamic thing. And it's like, yeah, I mean, it has Islamic elements,

but Islam is a very vast religion. You know, people don't even realize the biggest Islamic country in the world is, well, the most Muslims in the world are in India, and the biggest Islamic country in the world is Indonesia. So, you know, there's not many terrorists coming out of the biggest country in the world. You know, they're mostly peaceful people. It's like, but you get these groups,

that are oriented towards jihad, but a lot of them are operating under the auspices of US, British, Israeli intelligence, oftentimes working with Saudis, Pakistani intelligence, whatnot. You know, kind of like the Taliban and the pre-Taliban, the Mujahdin in the 80s when we were supporting them right Afghanistan back in the 80s.

So it's like we were when we were working with bin Laden. We foment the terrorists. Yeah. We allow them, we work with them. We then use them in Bosnia or in other countries where it's, suits us. And we discard them when they're no longer valuable to us. I don't know if we ever discard them. Well, we discarded bin Laden, right? Allegedly. You think Bin Laden's still alive? I don't know who

bin Laden is. What do you mean you don't know who bin Laden is? You remember with Oswald in the Kennedy assassination, there were multiple Oswalds. People spotted and had like seen different Oswalds. He was basically CIA, right? It was either, it was probably, probably initially like naval intelligence because he came out of the Marines, or he was a Marine. Yeah. But, you know, he goes over to Russia. He defects to Russia. Goes to Russia.

Marries a Russian daughter of like a military man, like a general or something, comes back to the U.S. You don't think he's working for intelligence the entire time. And if he's not working for intelligence, he's being monitored by intelligence the entire time. So before the assassination, and this is in the film, like the film JFK gets into it. It's like there are multiple spottings of Oswald,

but it doesn't look it doesn't look the same as Oswald. It's like a second Oswald because the locations don't match up. They've got like a guy at the gun range who's like firing, like who's like shooting it like and he's like,

I wish it was that sucker Kennedy, you know, that kind of shit. He's like saying stuff to draw attention. So it gives you the indication that Oswald was like they were already basically having like multiple Oswald sightings so that you can potentially use him as a Patsy later. And with bin Laden,

I feel like, you know, he was CIA in that at some point, between the 80s and 90s. Some people saw him as Tim Osman. You ever heard that name? Sounds familiar. Yeah, there was, they basically like people like Michael Reconcius Shudo,

who was like a fascinating guy working with Intel. He went to prison for a while. But he met Tim Osman. He's like, yeah, that's, that was Osmond. But his CIA name was Osmond. And he was like over here at different points working with, you know, training or let's say, working with our intel communities.

So I don't know who bin Laden is. I don't know if it's like what was killed was just one of the dummies. or just some guy that they said was bin Laden, but I think it's just an intelligence operation. Yeah, I always thought the story of him being dumped off the ship was very odd. Yeah, let's kill them. Like, wanted guy in the world and dump his body

so no one can actually identify it. Yeah. All the answers I've been given to that question when I've asked it never seemed to add up. Like, yeah, why are you questioning this? No one cares. We had pictures. No one wanted to, we didn't want to provoke them anymore.

We wanted to give them a proper burial or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, now the whole thing it reeks. And even like the whole dipping of like, then the story is that now people are circulating that he was actually being protected by the Iranians before he went to Pakistan. And you just,

it's, you know, it's like, it's one of those things where it's the boogeyman, you know, whenever you, whatever the intel community wants to create a boogeyman, you know, you need these type of things, you know, like, yeah, like ISIS or whatnot, right? And some of those guys were, you know, we're in our prisons, for example, right?

weren't some of those guys in our prisons during the Iraq war. Then they get released and they pop up. And the main guy, I can't remember which one is the head of the ISIS. People were saying like, yeah, he was spotted with John McCain when McCain went over. Right. And he was seen with this guy in photos. And then all of a sudden he becomes the head of ISIS. So again, it becomes, it's like, I always put like this.

Terrorism, just like gangs, just like drugs is not like some like foreign thing. It's all under the nose of enforcement, law enforcement, police. You know, it's like any neighborhood, right? The police know who the gangsters are. Same with the intel community, you know, and when they want someone to operate as in London, for example, they wrote a whole book, Londonistan, the British are letting all these Muslims come in. It's like they're running them. You know, they're basically letting these clerics who are proselytizing for jihad and whatnot. They let them operate under their noses because that's how you, I think, they're on the payroll or they're being monitored because they want to foment radical Islam

because you know you need an enemy because you need an enemy well yeah i mean there was like a report from iron mountain that people don't know to this day like if it was a real report or not but it's pretty interesting to read it you can find online and one of the great quotes is that the unifying it's like what is it the unifying ethos no like the unifying ethos of a society essentially is for war. The unifying, like, it unifies a society is war. So ever since 47, the U.S. takes over as basically the superpower of the world. We create the national security state. That's what we are. You know, it's a national security state. You got to justify having a total surveillance society, having a, you know, a society devoted to overthrowing governments, which we've done, you know,

over 70, what, like 70 plus coups and, right, operations and countries. all over the world, you need to have a bad guy, you need to have a villain. And the Soviets played that role for, you know, what, 50 years, roughly. And then at the time that the Soviet Union was collapsing, around the time of, you know, 70s and 80s, you have the arc of crisis.

That was Huntington, Bergenzky, in like, within Carter's, they became part of Carter's administration, essentially. But these are like Tri-Laddle Commission guys, and they're promoting the idea of what Huntington called the clash of civilizations. So basically, everyone can be turned against each other. And there's nothing, like, once you lose the communist threat, it became more cultural and religious.

And his whole thing was like there are these countries that are fault lines like Yugoslavia, which basically starts to get blown up by the 80s and 90s, right? And that's like Yugoslavia is a country that has Slavs, Croatians, Slovak's. I mean, it has different ethnicities, but it also has religions. it has Catholics, East Orthodox, Muslims. And one of the easiest things to foment is Islam versus the West. So countries like Lebanon get blown up. Countries like Yugoslavia.

In Afghanistan, it's working with the Muslims against the communists. In Iran, we foment. We essentially back home many to take. over against the secular regime. As I said, that's been a strategy going back to the middle, always the British and the Middle East have always played this kind of hand. So the Shah gets overthrown and you get a Muslim Shia fanatics who are pitted against the Sunnis in Arabia and the rest of the Middle East. Right. Right. You see, so like everywhere you go, you see this. Because we thought that they would be able to deal with Saddam Hussein's people. It's a balance.

It's a balance. And that completely didn't work at all. Well, it worked for a bloody war. I mean, we support it. We gave the chemical, biological arms, all kinds of stuff to Saddam to fight Iran for eight bloody years of conflict. Probably what millions of people died in that war. And then at the end of the war, we turn around and we say, okay, Saddam, we're going to check your military power. I just had Scott Horton in here telling me the whole story about this guy named Chalibi who like sold us the, the curveball. Curveball. Yeah, yeah, Chalabi. So like two bit con man who was trying to. They were going to prop him up at one point is to be like the new. president of Iraq when they overthrew Saddam. But I don't think that was ever a real plan.

I think that was just being like proposed as a possible. It's the same way like we're talking about putting a Pahlavi back in in Iran. There's not like there's not a real, that's not a realistic play. You're not going to bring some guy from outside to like. John Kariakou said he wouldn't survive the walk from the plane from the tarmac to the terminal. Pahlavi? Yeah, when he when he got back when he gets it back to Iran. Yeah. He won't survive. He won't even make it out of the airport alive. Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, the Iranians, I mean, a lot of these guys are much more like pro-Iran than I am. I'm not like pro-regime. I don't like the Islamic Republic. I wish we would go back to a more secular, you know, rule in that country. And frankly, in the world, I mean, but the point is that since the 70s and 80s, we've been fomenting along with British, the British intelligence groups, the Israelis, we've been fomenting these conflicts because, as I said, it's the easiest way to create conflict is to, is to, to go around religious fault lines.

You know, it's like, and then, you know, even now, I mean, to this day, like, we've got cartels and things operating and people are more freaked out about Islam in America than they are about the cartels. It's pretty crazy. Literally running around in our forests. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. You know, and it's like in Texas, they're more concerned, like, they're not waiting a war on

the cartels. They're more freaked out by Islamics and we're like less than 5% of the population. Right. You know, because religion is just so easy to get people on that fear. Have you ever left a doctor's appointment? feeling like you learned absolutely nothing? Like, you're fine. Drink some more water and we'll see you again next year.

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by the way, shout out to Beck Lover for hooking us up. Oh, yeah. Beck's great. I love Beck. But when he was on the podcast, a couple months ago now, you know, because it's a lot of people that,

that I know and a lot of people you talk to, it just seems like there is this very strong misunderstanding about, like even, I'm very ignorant to it too of Islam because we've been sold this idea of Islamic jihadists, you know,

bombers our whole life since 9-11. It's like, it's so deeply rooted in our psyche in America, right? And then when you talk to somebody like Beck, who is explaining like, no, it's more compatible with Christianity than Judaism. Of course.

And, you know, these, it's been hijacked, this narrative, they, they took this narrative and they hijacked Islam to paint this narrative to Americans, to make us fear. Yeah. Well, I mean, just go to the essence. To me, like the main point is that Muslims honor Jesus as, essentially as a Messiah. He's basically born, he's born of a virgin. The honor the Virgin Mary. I mean, you read the Quran and the Quran is all the story of Abraham,

the story of Moses, the story of the Jewish prophets. Right? So it's basically the Old Testament. I've never read any of it. Yeah, I mean, that's not all of it. But the most of it is like derived from the Old Testament stories. And a lot of it really just, it's like Old Testament meets New Testament. It reminds me of like the Aryan heresy or one of these heresies that occurred in, in early Christianity.

Basically before the Catholic Church had codified with like Nicaea and whatnot, had codified the religion. And there were various sects that were like, I think there were like the Ariens and others that basically saw Christ as a divine emissary, but not, they wouldn't say Christ is God. They'd be like, you're a divine emissary, you know, but your God cannot be like, you can't be God and God is the creator of all.

And, you know, like you're an extension. Couldn't be capital G God. Yeah, it gets confusing. It's like, we're all God's children, but Christ is the special one. I mean, it gets like, so they kind of ignored all that to say like, no, Christ is a divine emissary. he's able to work miracles.

He has the Holy Spirit. He's of a virgin. But because of that mentality, I think the Muslims basically took that theology. And that's why Islam honors Jesus. Now, obviously there's, like I told you, like Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world. Population-wise, almost 200 million Muslims.

Majority are not jihadists. In fact, like probably one of the more peaceful societies. And then you get, you know, like the Muslims of the modern, like the Middle East that a lot of whom are Arabic. And it's a different cultural thing, you know, like anything. Like you talk about people think the, okay, like the hijab. I mean, first of all, like, why are you guys freaked out about a hijab? Nuns do the same thing. It's like a spiritual, it's a spiritual, it's a spiritual practice. Now, I don't agree with forcing women to wear a hijab like Iran was doing. Apparently they've laid off now.

Like, I don't think you should force someone to, but the idea of wearing a hijab shouldn't be something scary considering that it obviously goes back for a reason. The nuns do that for a reason. They also cover their hair for a reason. That goes back to that tradition and that region. You know, the Jews do as well. The Orthodox Jews do the same, like, as far as covering the head scarves

and things like this. This has to do with, like, regional traditions. And then you get like the veil, which, you know, again, is more of, to me, to my understanding, it's more of like a traditional thing going back to like desert, Bedouin type of peoples, you know. Now when it comes to things like imprisoning people for converting from Islam to Christianity,

is that like only in Iran or is that only a Shia thing? No, I mean, look, technically, technically conversion, well, there's a couple things. I mean, one, there's supposed to be no compulsion in religion. That's in the Quran. There should be no compulsion in religion. So the fact that any society is operating on this religious compulsion thing,

to me it's like it's wrong and it's again it's used for power but as far as conversion like yes if you like leave Islam yeah you can be punished for that which I also think is it's wrong is that in the Quran do you know I think it's in the Quran it's out the Quran or hadiths so I but either way it's I don't think it's it's the right approach you know I don't think that these things you know again there's different there's different extremes when it comes to Islamic interpretation and that's why I'm saying like so much of the conflict that we have seems to be, it's not all of us,

but not all coming from the West, but I'm saying that we have literally worked to promote Islamic extremism. I mean, you go back to like the British, the British in the region. The British put the Saudis, which were a Habist, more extreme, you know, version of Islam.

They put the Saudis in control of Arabia. That was supposed to go, remember in Lawrence of Arabia, the movie, they got to go into some of this politics of like the different tribes. And then the Hashemite, who is played by Alec Guinness, I believe in the film, instead of forgetting Arabia, which was what he expected, they gave him Jordan and like basically trans Jordan and what was like then like, you know, Palestine.

So a lot of this is just like empires coming in, carving stuff up and then saying, okay, you know, we're giving Israel to the Jews. We're giving, you know, Syria, Lebanon to the French. Palestine was being overseen by the British. Yeah. So again, it's like all this kind of gerrymandering, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, one of my friends actually sent me this video on Instagram. I'm going to send this to you, Steve, you can play this.

And it was showing how like less than three years after World War II ended that Israel was poisoning waterways and villages with typhoid. And like, like, it's just so crazy that the people who just got done having this stuff done to them turn around that fast and immediately start doing it to other people. People have to, if people are interested, I mean, people have heard about the Nakhba, essentially the expulsion of the Palestinians or the local Muslims from, you know, from what was then Israel. Right. It was planned Dalet was the operation. And there has been some very good books written about. historical, you know, based on historical documents and evidence about the expulsion. And it was done, you know, sometimes execution and murder, but mostly it was done by things like that, poisoning of wells, driving people from their villages. And, you know, there's a lot of grievance around that. That's why, you know, it's like, I don't agree with Hamas saying,

you know, let's exterminate Israel. And Iran having that ideology is very dangerous, it's destabilizing for the region. But the truth is, you know, Iran is currently destabilizing the region. But Israel has also, you know, has been a destabilizing force since its inception because it was based on, you know, on a conquest, on a war, which unlike most wars, the refugees didn't have a right to return. And that's what people don't understand. That's what's different. Most war, if based on conquest, the refugees have a right to return. Israel can't give them the right to return because then they will become a minority. Jews will become a minority in their own country. So they will not give the expelled, they expelled Palestinians the right to return to their, their villages, their,

their land, you know, their, all of gar, all of trees, all that they had basically cultivated for hundreds of thousands of years. And that's why this war is so entrenched in that region. We've been entrenched in a quagmire since 48, essentially. Yeah, Tim Dillon had a great bit on his episode the other day. He was explaining how America is Carmela from the Sopranos and Israel is Tony Soprano. And we're meeting with the shrink, trying to explain like, he's cheating on me. He has all of these broads that he's banging. And all I do is do is laundry.

And that's how it was fucking hilarious. But like we are. We're Carmella from the Sopranos. I never watched. I never got into that show. I'm not a big like, I don't know. I was never that much into like the gangster culture. I love Godfather.

But to me, it was more a story of family, you know, than gangsterism. Yeah, no, yeah, it was just a classic show. But the gangster, I mean, the mafia stuff has been like a integral part of the history of this country, you know, and like the special ops stuff and all the covert ops. Even JFK, I mean, there's a huge like mafia involvement in all that stuff, which is crazy. Somebody, you know, an old, he's from one of those families. He told me, he said, look, the mafia were basically started being sent here by what he called the Illuminati. and the Illuminati are like, his way of understanding is like the old banking families of Europe,

like the real, you know, the real owners of Europe, right? And it was basically about collecting on finance. Like, they were investing in America. And the mob, you know, especially like the Sicilian type, you know, mafia and whatnot. Like they were enforcers to make sure that the labor unions weren't getting out of control. Because that's what the mob does.

They controlled unions. right yeah to make sure that the labor wasn't going to control that to ensure that um yeah productivity continued and that that's you know basically that the um that's got paid and then um by the 60s so yeah you mentioned Kennedy so like Kennedy Kennedy family Joe Kennedy I mean apparently they were working you know with bootleggers which mob you know which basically mob elements right bootlegging back in the 20s when alcohol was illegal um And then so, you know, basically Joe Kennedy and company were like, you know, asking for the support of the mafia, Giancana, people like that. When JFK ran, even though RFK had been this watchdog on, you know, when he was, RFCA was at the Justice Department.

Yeah. Right. And he was, I think, who did he expel? He didn't send Giancana. He sent one of those guys down to like Guatemala, Honduras or Venezuela or something, you know, like deported him. So, you know, basically, you know, he was, I mean, he obviously went after Haifa and whatnot. But, you know, there was a lot of betrayal from the mob, you know, because JFK basically reneged. He didn't, he didn't take Cuba back, you know, he, right.

JFK came in, he allowed, I get into this in my RFK legacy documentary. JFK as president, basically like, you know, he comes in, he allows Dulles, who's running the CIA to run this operation to try to, you know, you know, send, what, like a thousand guys into Cuba to overthrow Castro. Right. It was a joke. I mean, it was basically, Dulles knew the operation was never going to work with a few, you know, like a thousand guys. Yeah. The intention was to...

They needed air support, right? And he canceled that last minute. It wasn't just that. It was like, the intention really was, it was like a, it was almost like a, uh, give me it, you know, give me an inch and take a mile. Uh, uh, Dulles wanted Kennedy to commit. He felt like if he would do air support and then anything basically, he would then escalate. The intention was, let me start with a small invasion. And then rather than have egg on my face for this debacle, commit the U.S. Army to go in and overthrow Castro.

That was Dulles' intention. And JFK was too smart. He said, no, that's it. So he pulled, you know, therefore, he actually allowed the airstrikes. It was some kind of delay. There was a mistake. It was a miscommunication. The airstrikes didn't get there on time.

But Kennedy realized what they were trying to do. They were trying to bait him, his own intelligence community. And rather than get baited into a full-on invasion, U.S. invasion, he said, no, we're not, you know. And obviously the Cubans were pissed. He didn't overthrow Castro, but the mafia was pissed too because those were their casinos. Yeah. Right? And like they wanted, you know, they wanted the island back.

So so everyone hated JFK at that point. And anyway, so the mob was certainly an element and the assassin. but I don't think that they were the controlling element necessarily. What is your 30,000 foot mile high view of the JFK thing? What do you think that was? Do you think there's any simple way to distill what that was about or do you think it's just too much of a hornet nest? No, it's not just a hornet nest. I think it's a gateway drug.

I think everyone should look at it. There's so many flavors of it. Everyone should get high on it. Yeah, and I agree. You start opening up that portal and you look at a lot of things. And you look at a lot of things. You look at the relationship of CIA with mafia and how we, how entwined, entangled they were, you know, in that whole, again, like the dynamic of

power, essentially, right? And the nature of power in America, you know, in America. So you've got CIA mafia relationships. You've got the military industrial complex, you know, the Pentagon and all that, wanting Kennedy to commit to war. Vietnam, which, you know, they're like, look, if Kennedy won't even overthrow Castro, it was like 90 miles away. And he, you know, he clearly has said he doesn't see the Vietnam civil war. It was North Vietnam and South Vietnam at the time. He doesn't see us supporting South Vietnam

with too many troops. They had a certain number of advisors at that point, a few thousand troops, like more special forces types. But Kennedy was like, it's a civil war. You know, they got to figure it out for themselves. So he was never going to commit to like a full, war in Vietnam the way that Johnson did. You got the Federal Reserve bankers. Kennedy was, he did transition us in 62 to issuing currency from the Treasury for the first time. So like he, yeah, some of those, some of the money being issued in 62 was actually from our treasury and there was an executive order based on his relationship with Indonesia with, that was Sukarno at the time because of the gold that they were going to basically use the

gold, I think from Indonesia. This goes back to World War II gold. It's a Japanese had stolen. Like the whole, there's a whole story around that that we got our hands on it. But essentially, Kennedy was going to use the gold to back dollars coming out of the treasury. And there was, at that in 62, some money issue for the treasury for the first time since Lincoln had done it. Oh, wow. So bypassing the Federal Reserve, which all our money comes from the Federal Reserve. It's all issued with interest as a loan from the Fed. Right, all of our debt. So it's that, you know, it actually starts with debt owed to the interest owed to the Federal Reserve.

So that's a private bank. Anyway, so the point being Kennedy was bypassed, was interested in bypassing that and bringing it back to constitutional money, which is gold and silver. It's the constitutional money. And it's only, you know, all currency is supposed to be issued from the treasury, not from a private bank. Interest. So there's that, there's the alien question because Kennedy was interested in the UFOs and the little, the little men or whatever they had discovered. There's some pillow talk. At one point I read, I mean, it was like him in Maryland, like, notes from like an FBI or whatnot.

FBI, I think it was an FBI. Maryland in a row? Yeah, it was like an FBI transcript of their conversation and Kennedy mentioning, like, to her, like, what do you think should I disclose? Should I, you know, could I disclose that there's, you know, these like beings essentially, like alien life on Earth? So there's that component. Well, he mentioned it. They were being monitored. You know, FBI was monitoring their convo.

Engleton, probably from CIA, was probably monitoring. I mean, everyone was curious, obviously, what the president says and knows. So there's all these different elements to the Kennedy assassination when you start, like, looking at it, going who killed him. Because it's such a, it's such a plot that you imagine that everyone wanted him dead. Everyone was happy to see him go. Right. And there's lots of motives. Yeah. So that's why, you know, when you read stuff like, you know, from people who say that they were there and you get like mafia hit men and you've got people like Howard Hunt who confessed on his deathbed to his son that he was there.

And yeah, I mean, various CIA operatives, you know, but the question of who organized it, there's been such suspicion about various CIA guys that were running it and ultimately was Alan Dulles, the controller or could it have been outsourced to foreign. Power, I mean, goes, I think, without, without, like, having direct knowledge, you know, of who gave the command, it's very difficult to speculate. When I first heard about Amnita Miscaria, I thought it was just a fringe head shop fad. We've all seen the gas station fakes out there. Until I was introduced to Amantara, and I realized there's a bunch of science behind the real deal and how useful it is. The active compound muscomole interacts with Gaba A receptors, the same system tied to relaxation, sleep, and nervous system balance. Amitara won me over with their education on the science and history of this botanical. They're the largest Aminita supplier in the USA, and what separates them from the junk is how serious they take their quality.

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and he allegedly did like LSD with Timothy Larry and that was like one of the points that like i don't think he did i don't know if he did it with timothy but timothy gave lest it was mary um it was she was married to a cia guy car mire yeah he got mire mary mire mary mary pinchow mire was it pinchot yeah yeah um she was married to cord mire who was one of these CIA operations guys yeah that was and she was whacked after this right she got killed didn't she got killed like out on a jog or something yes she was jogging or walking jogging in uh dc area and someone came up and killed her. Again, she knew too much. So yeah, I think, and Cord died too. He killed himself, I think. But he was one of these guys that was operating, you know, overthrowing people,

you know, overthrowing Mosadegh in Iran and, you know, Arbenz and Guatemala. Like, you know, he was operational with CIA. But as far as another element, speaking of drugs was, this is my friend who was like, again, like from one of the mafia families. He said that the mob was moving to really push, you know, drugs big time by the 60s, right? That was going to be, as we saw, like the explosion and the first it was, well, cocaine to a certain extent, but heroin and then Coke and crack, right? 70s into the 80s, talking heroin, coke and crack became like the big, big drugs in the U.S. And that was, the mafia was, the remember like in Godfather, the first one when they're having that conversation and they're basically like,

we don't, you know, we can't start selling heroin and drugs. We can't start selling drugs, basically, to our, you know, communities. Like, only the blacks will take it, remember? Right, yeah. They're like, yeah, the blacks will take it. We don't have to worry about it. And it's like, I don't know. Like, once you start bringing it, you know, it's going to destroy us.

And that was why there's a falling out. And that was true. That was a real falling out in the mafia. Like Genoves and people like that were, like, big into the heroin trafficking. And that was, again, CIA mafia. connection going back. So, again, you've got like the Marseille, you know, Corsican connection, right? But you've also got a huge pipe, you know, basically a huge market from Vietnam,

which is why they wanted the Golden Triangle heroin. And that becomes then, you know, a major export during the Vietnam War is, yeah, is a heroin opium, all that stuff. stuff, right? And yeah, so again, if Kennedy doesn't, if Kennedy doesn't commit to the Vietnam War, it's going to be harder to get that easy access, that cheap access to the heroin. And then thereafter, also, they were already looking at South America, Bolivia and places like this for the cocaine. So it was already strategized that the drugs were going to play a huge role in the international black, like, like black ops and black finance, like, financing should that they can't get through

Congress, right? Off books financing. Right. You want to. You want to play. Like black operations. Right. You on off books money, talk, you know, guns, drugs, human trafficking. I would say probably the three biggest. Yeah. And so I had, I'm familiar with John Newman. Sounds familiar. John Newman wrote like, I don't know how many JFK books. At least two dozen JFK books.

And I believe he was a consultant on the first JFK film that you got at your dad did. And he's been right in South ever since. He's old dude. He works at, older guy, works at George Washington. So he's somewhere up there, one of those schools up there. And he was basically telling me when he was on here that his whole view of the whole Kennedy thing was that it was a military coup. And that like all the joint chiefs were conspiring against them, including like Lemitzer and Taylor.

And so essentially his view is it was a. military coup and the CIA was just the cover-up. And one of the smoking gun pieces of evidence he found was he found a CIA cable from the Mexico City desk to Langley or whatever. And what it was was an indication of a flash, an FBI flash stop being taken off Oswald's file the day before Kennedy was shot. And Oswald being a defector and being there, being on that on the route where the president was, he says, Oswald being on that route is the equivalence to a flea being at a Lysol convention with all of the, everyone that was watching him, 24-7.

Yeah. So the fact that the CIA acknowledged that his FBI flash stop was being taken off of his file the day before is extremely suspicious. So he got a hold of the CIA officer who was the one who signed off on that cable, that CIA cable. And he went and interviewed her before she died. And I forget exactly what her response was to him, but she basically said he goes,

what's this? What's this mean? Yeah. And she's like, this is very indicative of something that they didn't want anyone to know about. that they're keeping very close to the chest. That's all I'll say. Yeah. Well, I mean, it wasn't official.

I mean, it wasn't like at the time who was in McCone was the head of the CIA. And he'd been appointed by Kennedy. So it wasn't like official CIA. We're talking David Harvey guy. David Harvey was one of the guys that hated the Kennedy brothers. And he came back from, I think he was in Rome. He was like stationed in Rome, which would indicate like, you know, people like Angleton, have, you know, James Engleton was in Rome, like during the end of the Second World War.

or helping to run the rat lines of like the Nazis that we were bringing out of out of Germany right right into yeah into America and as you know into South America yeah and Harvey came back and he was in the US and people like you know people like why was he you know why was he basically in town for that for this operation I mean so there's there's the the old boy network the old OSS network of like Harvey Hans people like that right who basically dealt us who were around from the World War II days that's why say some of the operations stuff people have always speculated like who was uh who was hitler's favorite um favorite uh s s guy he's like a he rescued musilini he's a he was a famous s officer um and he he got part he got pulled out from the

the rat lines as well and um who you look up who the s officer who rescued muscelini um and uh There is some speculation. Scorzani. Scorzni? Scorseni? There's some speculation. Like, he could have been involved with operationally,

like helping to oversee it. You know, it's like former. Yeah, Scorsan is a great character. I mean, this guy, Scarface. The real Scarface. And so again, you've got, you know, you're so close to the Second World War, you've got like literal, like, you know,

real fascists, like real ex-Nazis. Because remember, that's who was plotting against de Gaul in France. The same time that Kennedy is killed, he's already, they've already nearly, killed the gall multiple times remember the day of the jackal the the the book and in the film based on it was all about these there various um right wing french you know all you know fascist groups that were trying to take out de gall because he had surrendered algeria essentially and they looked at him as a traitor so the same time that these up so again it's like these this kind of

it's more international than just national i think is the way that i look at it and because you know again you're the president of united states you are and you're having a major impact globally. As I said, you know, drug markets, wars, wars affect finance. It affects, you know, you name everything, weapons, oil. I mean, everything is geared in a sense. You could say since the Second World War, economically, that's why to the day, to this day, we spend, what, almost a trillion dollars a year on war, you know, between surveillance and security. It's, it's literally an organizing principle of the state. And so to your point about the Mexico cable, it reminds me of the man who knew too much, which was a great book.

by Dick Russell. And that was, who was the CIA officer in that book, the men who knew too much? He pulls up in a Mexican bank like a week before the assassination, shoots it up, and he basically wants to go to jail because he knows that they're going to kill the president. Oh, yes. I remember this. Oh, sorry, it's not the man who knew too much. It's the, look up the Dick Russell book, the man who, I thought it was the man who knew too much. Man who shoots up bank before Kennedy assassination. It's not the men.

It is the men who knew too much. You see Richard Kisnagle. Yeah, okay. Former U.S. intelligence officer and CIA contact claimed that the KGB hired him to assassinate Lee Harvey Oswald in order to prevent the JFK assassination. Yeah. What? But he got himself arrested by firing a shot in the Pelfast.

Oh, it was in Texas. Sorry, I thought it was in Mexico. But it's like, I mean, you get stuff like this and you just go, what in the world? So people knew. Two months before. That's crazy. Yeah, that's insane, dude. Right?

It's a great book. It's worth reading. The men didn't need too much. There's also another fascinating. And Dick Russell ended up working with Rob Reiner on their podcast, which they recently did before Rob got killed about the JFK assassination. Whoa. That was like the last thing that Rob did, I think.

Yeah. There's also that crazy book called Mary monkey have you heard that one yeah that one's wild too about all the crazy medical vaccine research with alton oshner and mary sherman who got incinerated by this linac machine and they covered up the murder and then like what explains something i didn't understand when my dad made jfk remember the uh the dave fairy character played by peshi yes yes and he's done he's got cancer and he's dying of cancer and he's also researching he's got a bunch of mice in his house like all these loud Right, lab rats all over.

Yeah. Yeah. And that was because they were doing, they were working with the mice to try to. Cancer weapons, right? Well, both to create fast acting cancers and to prevent it, like how to stop, how to basically create the cancer and to kill the cancer. That's what she was one of the things that she was working on, fire call. Yeah, that is.

And that's what that's the reason that they had that linear accelerator in the, in the basement of that hospital there in New Orleans. And they were basically shooting cancer tumors with that freaking linear accelerators. operator machine and trying to figure out how to like turbo charge it or find out ways to do weapons. And one of the part of that story is that when Oswald went to Mexico City, he was bringing vials of that stuff that they had developed in an attempt to go from Mexico over to Cuba to try to get it to kill Castro with it. Well, again, I mean, Oswald being, you know, he seems to be, you know, working with us,

but then they would cheap dip him and make him look like he was pro Castro. But he was, I think he was just an operative. You know, I think he was one of these guys that was probably just saw himself as a soldier, you know, as a good soldier. Right to the end. It's too bad those notes were destroyed, right? The ones that that were taken when he was detained in Dallas, you know, the notes that, you know, of the interview, all that's gone. So he was interviewed. Remember before he was killed.

It was like two days later he was killed. After the shooting. Yeah. So he was interviewed after the shooting before he was killed. Exactly. Okay. Those notes are gone. No one, I don't think anyone's seen them.

Maybe they were hidden, but they probably shredded it. We were supposed to see the JFK files, right? Didn't Trump say he was going to release all those? Well, they have been a lot. But the problem is, like, we don't know if all of it's been revealed and released. And then more importantly, like, what hasn't been destroyed? I mean, when Richard Helms, who was the director of the CIA, when he got fired by Nixon, he went and shredded everything.

Right. And we only know about MK. Ultra because of like a few boxes like literally so if mK ultra wasn't in the first box he burned that must have been like way tamer that's then all the shit he did burn i mean could you imagine like the people probably destroyed so much about the kennedy oswald all that stuff oh yeah roswell yeah oh yeah dude there's probably so much crazy shit that was burned what is what do you got steve oh this is the transcripts yeah and then um i was talking to john karyaku a couple days ago And he was telling me that he has people that he knows, sources that tell him that the reason they won't release the rest of the JFK files is because they point to Israel.

And then you have the whole Israeli angle of it with the nuclear material and all that stuff. So, I mean, the motive, okay, so the, which book? Yeah, I mean, there's a good book that kind of gets into the Israeli motive. The Israeli motive, I don't doubt. I mean, Benghuryan hated Kennedy. Right. Kennedy even talked about, you know, basically said, look, you guys should, you should either repatriate the, the, the Palestinians who were kicked, you were forced out by the creation

of Israel. You should either bring them home to let them settle or basically give them some kind of, you know, economic ability to rebuild or, you know, what's it called reparation, you know, give them reparation. That's, you know, that's, you know, that's, Israelis don't do that. So there was that component. And then there was also the, uh, the Israeli nuclear facility which they lied about you know he was Kennedy was concerned about nuclear proliferation and so the fact that the Israelis were developing the nuke at that time right they certainly did not want inspection they did not want um yeah they did not want any the u.s to stop them from from developing it so yeah i think that there's a motivation the problem for me is the the evidence of who in terms of the

the people that are pretty clearly involved. You know, again, even you get Howard Hunt giving his deathbed confession to his son about being in Dallas. It's like, okay, so who are the Israeli operatives? Now, you can look at people like Meyer Lansky, who's, you know, Jewish mafia character, very connected to the Italian mob, partnered with, what was his name? The famous, who is Lanski's partner in the, and the mafia? Lucky Luciano, for example, right? That was Lucky's partner, right?

So Meyer is one of the brains of, you know, the mafia in America. So certainly someone like him, and he, you know, he amongst the number of others were supporting the creation of Israel from the beginning. So, yeah, you have those elements involved. But as far as the actual, like, Israeli ability to kill the president. That's not so much. Well, that's why I just, I don't know. I haven't seen the evidence for it.

People say it, but it's like, okay, and you can say anything, but present some evidence to show which elements exactly we're talking about and what their role is in the assassination. Yeah. Yeah, that makes total sense. I mean, the only ones that would have had the true ability to do would be the American military. And, you know, with all their connections in the mafia, in organized crime,

and also utilizing foreign people. Well, it has to be, even Secret Service has to be. be told to stand like you know when john the whole organization of the parade route the fact that as you said like people like oswald were working on the parade route and allowed to you know allowed to be there it's like the proud the fact that the car the motorcade the convoy that they didn't have uh police bikes next to the president johnson said to them oh the president wants to you know don't obstruct you know his view of the crowd so they're told to come back johnson He tried to switch it up to get Connolly out of the front seat.

Oh, he did. Yeah, because Connolly was his buddy, but he couldn't change that. So Connolly ended up getting shot, not killed. There is a moment even on the tarmac when the plane lands, and you can see the video of it where there's one Secret Service guy who's about to go and jump on the side of the president's car, right? There's like a little, like a runner on the side, running board, where the security is supposed to be on that running board.

And he's literally, you can see him being called back on the tarmac. No, no, no. He's like, what's going on? He's like, he's like about to jump on the runner to be right there position to protect the president, essentially. And he's called right back on the tarmac. So enough people have to be involved with the security, with the assassination, with being able to move people in and out. You know, that's the CIA, the pilots. Tosh Plumley just put out a book.

He was one of the CIA pilots. Oh, yeah. He talks about, you know, flying in. Who did he fly in? Rizelli, who was a mobster hunt, Charles Harrison, who was Woody's father, who many people, he was a mob hitman who many people suspected of being there that day, and Charles Nicoletti and another guy. So Tosh talks about who he flew in to Dallas that day. But certainly, I mean, look at who, like my dad said in JFK, find the 50 best marksman in the world and find out

who was in Dallas that day, right? Even Carlos the Jackal, apparently, one of the Carlos the Jackals, who was famous, like, you know, apparently was there that day. So a lot of, like, a lot of people were there, even if they were as the decoys, even if they were as distractions, if you get that feeling. Like it was, there was no way he was going to exit alive. Mm-hmm. And it seems like he almost kind of knew it was going to happen. There was that speech, the speech that he made before that was like, I don't remember

it word for word, but it was like, it signaled. Like, if you, you could translate that speed. It sounded like he knew he wasn't long for the earth. Well, he was sick, too, don't forget. He was very, he had these, I can't remember what the illness was, but, you know, this is why, like, he had spinal problems. Yeah, from war or whatever. Oh, I think even before. Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah, even before. And can remember what the condition is, but essentially he was degenerating. And some people said, like, he, you know, he may not even even survive to, like, his 50s. I mean, he was, he was, like, 45 or something when he died. But he was, I think he knew he was not long for the earth. Yeah. And that's probably why he was trying to do these, you know, these things like make rapprochement with the Soviet Union, basically saying, let's do a joint mission together to the moon. You know, let's work on the space program together.

All this stuff was like, as I said, everything he did antagonized the, the, the military industrial complex that essentially operates on enemies and war. And if Kennedy had basically said, let's, let's move to rapprochement, let's not have a cold war, let's not justify these massive military spending. Let's focus on peaceful things like space travel. If we had done that, I mean, again, it would have changed our history, but I don't think consciousness, I guess, you know, we weren't ready for that. We had to play out this crazy, you know, this crazy mindset that we've still experiencing, you know, us versus them. And I think we're getting past it. I think we are kind of getting into a more global mind, in a sense of not a hive mind,

but a global awareness and consciousness, you know, of our common humanity, across religions, across cultures, across languages, right? I don't know if we were there at that time.

Maybe that's why, you know, that's why destiny prevailed in a sense that he played the role of King Arthur and Camelot. Camelot, you know, is a moment. And essentially, once he knew that he was in Camelot,

well, Arthur's, Arthur's end is tragic. Right. Arthur ends because his own people betray him. Lancelot betrays him and, and Guinevere runs off with Lancelot, and the kingdom descends into civil war. Right. So it's very interesting that, you know, you be careful the myths you choose to live by. Yeah, that's a very good point.

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who was a part of brokering the deal to get the nuclear stuff over to Israel or right, something like that. him at Milshan. Is that the producer? Yeah, he was my dad's partner for like a few years. Oh, he was actually partners with him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Milshan was...

So he was in the... I learned about him watching the BB files documentary. He was all over that documentary. Is that Tucker's new documentary? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if Tucker made the documentary. I think it was Alex Gibney that made that film. Oh, really?

Can you confirm that? Alex Bloom? No, Alex Gibney. I don't think Gibney did it. No? Oh, yeah, you're right. Produced by Alex Gibney. Oh, he produced it.

Okay, there you go. Okay. So the BB Files is not the one Tucker did. So, no, it was that same one was on Tucker's website. Right. So he was like, so the BB Files documentary premiered and directed by Alex Bloom and produced by Alex Gibney, Tucker Carlson acquired the film and streams it on his platform. You know, I have to watch it. I haven't seen it yet.

That's cool. Yeah, it was just lots of like security footage of interrogation. from the investigations on Indibibi. That's interesting. Yeah, because the whole thing is how this guy survives for so long. You know, he was literally on the cusp of being indicted. Yeah. And, like, it was so weird.

Corruption charges, right? It's like, it's like, he goes around and he expects people just to give him free stuff. Like, people just give him gifts, like stupid gifts. Like, like alcohol or whatever they like, the different, what kind of champagne, what kind of cigars? And they're interrogating him about, like, why did you ask him for $5,000 worth of cigars? He's like, I don't know. just give them to me or whatever. And then Arnon Milchin was like, he's like, I don't know.

He was like, it was part of the deal. I just had to give him all these cigars. Very weird. Arnon? No, not Arnott himself. Oh, he gave him cigars though. Just the idea, like how like they're interrogating people for giving him cigars and alcohol and stuff like this.

And it's almost like he's like, like they need to do this to, to impress him or something. Or like maybe it's some sort of weird control thing I don't understand. It's gift. I mean, it's very normal. in the VIP world and politics and whatnot is gifting, right? That's how you get around tax. Right, right, right. Declarations, you know, giving someone gifts instead of money.

That doesn't surprise me. Bena, he's a dark one. He's a dark personality. I mean, I met him. I think he's a sociopath, but, you know, I don't get the impression that he has much empathy. And, you know, you go back into the story about, was it not before Sharon,

who was the Israeli Prime Minister that was killed in the 90s? Oh. I'm blanking on his name. That assassination, there's, you know, Nihaha was there at the time. I mean, he was riling up the right wing at that time, Rabin. And Rabin was trying to work on, you know, towards a peace deal with Arafat.

You know, this was in, what, 95, 94, I remember and it was really shocking, you know, his assassination. And, you know, some people really wonder about Nanyahu having a role in that beyond fomenting the right. Right. So basically, in that agitating the right, basically calling Rabin a traitor. I mean, Rabin was a hard right guy who basically said, look, enough war. We need to, we need to make peace with our neighbors. And for that he was killed.

So, I mean, I don't know. Nanyahu and Hamas are like, they're two sides of the same coin. Right. No wonder that, you know, Israel has been accused of financing Hamas. It's like, that's, you know, you got a, Like I said, you create your, you create your enemies. Because that's the level of, you know, of consciousness that they're playing at. Yeah.

It's an endless war game. It's a blood game. So with, um, uh, Arnon, I mean, you know, people think because he was a producer on JFK that he directed my dad away from the Israeli connection. Right. And they said, my dad spent, he came, my dad came back to do another documentary series called JFK through the looking glass. Mm-hmm.

And that was. both a documentary on a series. I mean, he wanted to, yeah, he wanted to, you know, he went to reassess with the documents that did come out post after the film. There were a number of documents, government documents, archives that were released in the 90s and even before this, this newest batch. And then I wanted to like re-approach and just say, look, what is, what are the documents say?

What are the forensics say? And get back into the story again. Yeah. And I mean, my dad understands, as I said, the Israeli motivation. it just we have not seen the evidence of you know who which which operatives in the assassination were Israelis whereas the Israeli command component right that's something that you know it's like the British have a motivation you know the but sure we don't know like it without pointing to certain people and saying okay that one's an operative of Britain or Israel like it's very difficult to say that they

that they killed them you know and so um as far as uh you know Milshan, Milshan was a producer on JFK, but he was a partner with my dad on a number of projects, and they fell apart because he was supposed to make Nixon with my father.

So my dad went to make Nixon and Arnon basically reneged on the deal or whatever. He backed out. So my dad went on to make Nixon without him, and they parted ways at that point. Hmm. Did Arnon have any sort of, like,

creative input, or was he just financial? No, I mean, he was a, he was a financial. guy. I mean, he knew good scripts. He believed in direct. I think he believed in my father at that point, you know, my dad had three Oscars. I think, you know, he believed in him as a filmmaker. Yeah. It wasn't, you know, you're talking, you know, creative input, it depends on, there's very few directors, as they say, who get final cut in Hollywood, right? That's a rare thing. So you always have a lot of input on projects from studios, producers, you know, but also input is part of the creative process anyway. You're going to get notes. You're going to, you know, but I don't know, like, you know,

You get stories like the Kubrick, you know, Eyes Wide Shut thing and whether or not, whether or not there were things cut out of that movie. You know, I wish I had really... And The Shining. You know, it's so interesting. I wish I had known more about this conspiracy theories around Eyes Wide Shut. Well, I don't know about The Shining. There was never any... Because Kubrick died before the Eyes Wide Shut was complete.

That's why people suspect that there's all the suspicion that there were things taken out of the final cut because he died. Well, Rogan had one of the producers. of that movie on his show, right? And he was explaining it. It was somebody who was involved of making that movie. I don't think it was someone to me. I think it was someone who knew someone,

but I don't think it was directly involved. I could have sworn it was. It's one of those things. I wish, when I wish I had known this because when my dad had made Alexander are the video monitor guy, right? So the guy that sets up. Which one was Alexander?

With Colin Farrell and Angelina Jolie about Alexander the Great. Oh, okay. So the guy that and the video village and the video monitor had done eyes wide shot. Now, he would know. He would know. Was it Roger Avery? Yeah, Roger Avery, exactly. So Avery, I mean, Avery is coming from a secondhand account. It's a rumor. That's why I said, I would have loved to ask the video monitor guy. If he knew, yeah, you could find him. You could ask him, was there footage that you saw because you're monitoring, you're obviously like, you know, you're monitoring the monitors, if there was footage that stands out to you that was taken out of the cut.

Because then, you know, because people get all this 20 minutes was cut out and they were going to show more of, you know, everything from, I've heard reptilians to like children. I mean, you know, you got all these like rumors and it just gets like, it gets kind of crazy. But, you know, you want to get to someone like the script writer wrote a book about it. He never said anything was like drastically. different. So you have to find someone that really was there that would know. Well, yeah, the astronauts that went on the Apollo missions also wrote books about that. That's a question, isn't it? Well, they're masons. So you wonder about the Masonic nature of the operation. And I always want, to look, to me, the moon landing, I always say, look, I think we went to the moon. I don't think we went with the technology that they showed you.

that's my stand on it that we have much more advanced ships and craft and what they showed us the little tin can kind of stuff is for public consumption I think if we went to the moon I think it's possible we went to the moon

but I don't think it's possible that that footage is real well you've seen the Bart was it Bart's Obrell's documentary where they're supposed to be like two days out or three days out and they pull back the camera and they're just in the upper

upper atmosphere or something in the stratosphere basically they're not you've seen that i think so it's the um what really happened on the way to the moon i've seen the movie i don't know if i remember the exact moment you're talking about though yeah it's it's like it's part of the the great reveal is he's got this NASA footage oh where they're in okay when they're in the capsule and they pull out yeah they shoot they shoot from like at the back of the capsule i think it's what's what really happened on the way to the moon i think it's even on youtube a funny thing happened a funny thing happened on the way to the moon and they're basically at the back of the the shuttle like

like shooting out the window. And so the earth looks really small in the window. Yeah. And then they opened the aperture. And like they're basically stopped recording. They thought they stopped recording. They stopped broadcasting. They opened the aperture. And you can see that the earth is really big outside the window. It's like taking up the whole entire window. It's not just a little sphere. Yeah. If we could find it. It would be cool to show. We showed it on the show on the podcast. I've actually had Bart in here with Charlie Duke. Oh really? One of the last Apollo astronauts walk on the moon. There's only like three that are alive. Then he's one of them. And? And it was a complete shit show. Um, Bart, you know, it was not a good combination of personalities, first of all.

Um, I don't really think we got anywhere. Um, I don't, I was not convinced by either of them. Yeah. Um, I wasn't convinced that Bart was right and I was not convinced by Charlie Duke that they actually went to the moon. Right. Um, he was kind of a broken record. He kind of just saying like, if I didn't go to the moon, how did I get all these moon rocks? You know, one of the biggest problems with the thing was the radiation. You know, what's one of Bart's big points in his documentary is the Van Allen radiation belts. Yes. He's saying that human beings wouldn't be able to survive passing through that back and forth

with that thin little layer of aluminum. And because I guess the Soviets sent like dogs and stuff to those radiation belts, none of them survived. Like, and even a monkey, I think. Like no human being he believes has ever survived passing through that. And there's a... even videos we pulled up of Von Braun giving presentations on the Van Allen radiation. Yeah.

Saying like, and there's other astronauts. Even to this, even the recent. There's modern astronauts that talk about like, we need to solve the problem of radiation before we send people this far out to space. Yeah. And we showed those videos to Charlie Duke. And I said, Charlie, when you were planning on when, I'm sure there was a lot of planning,

right, to go to the moon. I'm not, I'm not an, I'm no expert, but I'm sure there was a hefty amount of planning that you guys had to go through, right? And he's like, yes. I'm like, so. what sort of preparation did you guys go through or what did they at least warn you about

when it comes to the radiation bells? He said they never discussed them. That makes no sense. Did he ask him how the stars look on the moon? I did. I don't remember what he said about the stars. So what I understand is about the stars is like they could see it with the naked eye

but with the exposure of the cameras because the surface of the moon is so bright. If you expose for the moon, you're going to lose the stars. That makes sense. Yeah. But I'm sure to the naked eye, they'd be like... It must have been insane, right? That's what I was curious.

Yeah. Well, so when I asked him, I was like, I was like, can you just walk me through what was going through your mind the moment you opened the door and you walked on the moon for the first time? And he was just said, excitement. Excitement. Just exciting. I'm on the moon. It was exciting.

And I'm like, man, if I walk to the moon, I'd have more words than exciting. Man. Right. You know? That's just what I feel. I mean, I've walked to Himalayas and I've had like surreal experiences just being at, you know, whatever, 15, 20,000. Right. Right. Yeah. So this is the video that you were discussing, you were referring to earlier of the, um, this is from the first, this is from the first Apollo 11. 11. Yeah. And so they're, they're supposed to be like two or three days out at this point. Yeah. I'm going to say there's another hatch window hatch over there. Well, I don't know if that's a hatch or just. just a light. It looks like a light. I think it's a hatch. We actually pulled up a 3D model of that capsule and there's a hatch there. Yeah. So there's supposed to be the earth. That thing looks. So that's, it looks like it looks like it's supposed to be the earth. That is the earth.

But it's supposed to be like far away, right? Because for two, three days out. All that black around it on the border. Yeah. Open up the aperture. So he believes there was a transparency in front of that window that like made it look like it was the actual full shape of the earth. Now this is the light hitting the edge of the like the, the, like the, the, like the, window sill. Yeah. So yeah, you're seeing shit in front of it. You can tell like how.

So how is the camera? And he explains in the audio of this video, how he says we have the camera pushed up against the glass, I believe. And then you hear the also you hear somebody saying talk. Yes. There's like a delay. Oh yeah. There's definitely.

The fact that we could transmit all the way from the moon to the phone of the president's the president's phone. I mean, look, I'm more interested by the, the black, the, black programs or like the secret program, secret space program kind of stuff. Like the Gary McKinnon hacking, remember the Gary McKinnon's story hacking our NASA and basically like seeing these craft there in the sky. This is the kind of stuff that resonates more with me of how we're going to travel through space, right? Very advanced propulsion systems. Probably we're probably, you know, I don't know if we've achieved fusion. I would imagine that's feasible, but not be disclosed

to the private sector or to the public. And I mean, it's the kind of stuff that I saw like before the show I told you, like the night of the Palisades fire. Yeah. It was, okay, so the Palisades fires start in L.A. And basically, I mean, you know it was being set up because we had just come off of the heaviest rainfall, like in decades. Like literally, L.A. was like, because we always have to worry about like droughts and stuff and whatnot.

So, like, it had been, we'd been coated with rain. And then for nine months, they stopped cloud seating. They stopped the cloud seating programs, which are acknowledged, you know, cloud seating, right? I didn't know that was happening in L.A. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. So they stopped the cloud seeding program. So basically from like March or whatever, it was like nine months until January of 25.

So from like March or so, no rain. So we know we're nowhere in a dry spell. We know we're now in like in a drought. And it's January. and the Santa Ana start kicking in. Now, every year we get three or four Santa Ana's a year. It's normal. What's the Sanana?

Sanana winds are eastern winds coming from the desert. Drawing dry, like basically blowing dry air. And they can get fierce. And it's like everyone who lives in Southern California knows Santa Ana's and you get, you know what's coming with it. So you know that it's like a fire hazard. It's just like clockwork. So the fact that you've got this sort of this.

perfect brew, right, of dry Santa Ana winds coming fast. In this case, they get up to 100 miles an hour or something, which is pretty crazy. A hundred? Well, I can't remember if it hit 100, but it was blowing hard, right? It's blowing really hard. And so, yeah, basically, we've got this perfect storm. All it takes is a little fire. And apparently, you know, that there was like an arsonist that they claim like started it. But, I heard it was Spencer Pratt that started it. You've been watching too much Democrat CNN. But the point is that, like, we knew, you know, you know what's coming, right? The fire department, everyone knows what's coming. So the fact that there's pretending to be caught unawares is completely hogwash. Because every couple years, the last, I mean, since like 20, what was it?

The Santa, was the Santa Susanna fire where they blew up, like, they basically burned down like an old nuclear station. and look like a mushroom cloud over LA. And I took off. I'm like, I don't know what people are breathing right now. I'm not going to breathe that. I went to, I went east to Palm Springs. But the point is, you know, you can see it like clockwork. They are burning these areas, the paradise fire, the, you know, the Malibu fire.

Like, it's just, it's just coming, right? It's just coming nonstop. And so that night, basically, after the fires just started, the winds are blowing bad. I was at a dinner, like, south of Santa Monica. So I'm driving north. my friend's driving and we're going up Sepulveda, which is right next to the 405, going from south to north. And I swear to you, we're driving at night, a streak of light appears across the entire sky,

but it was a streak. Like you could see, like it cut the sky. And it's just like a light from right from east heading west. And we hear a boom, almost like a sonic boom of energy with the light. basically see we see the streak and we feel like the sonic boom of energy almost like like shake the car and it's like whoa it was a big car was like SUV and it was like what was that and then you know she's like driving so she looks up and she's like there's like some kind of like craft or something and it's like she couldn't identify what it was but it was it was moving fast enough to give us to shake the car right and then i don't know

I saw some videos. Interesting, it made a loud sound. Well, it's the power. It's like a sonic boom, like of the energy of something. No, sure, yes. Right. And I just, you know, I don't know. I saw some video from like various, you know, of the stations that were covering it to look like something like a little light was moving around the fires.

And almost like it was, you know, you can say crazy, but like setting like lasers to like start the fires like to hit the, what I would imagine is they would have hit the. some of those power cables and spark them. And to basically perpetuate the fire. Whoa. That's crazy. That makes sense. If you want a fire, you make sense. Like I said, I mean, these things, to me, it's like the Maui fire.

Like, you got to make sure that these things burn, burn the area out. If you're looking to buy it up en masse, which is, you know, kind of what's happening. buy a cheap property, build out a smart city, whatever it is, you know, that they're doing. So what do you think those lights were? No, I'm saying. I think it was a craft.

A craft. I think it was one of these craft that, you know, are off books, kind of like, people talk about a lot of the triangle craft. The TR3 is their call, I think. They basically, you ever heard of a TR3? No. They like triangle-shaped craft.

Like Phoenix Lice type thing? No, these are ours. These are like government, like space, like secret space program kind of stuff. Oh, like triangle craft. Yeah, they're like, they seem like a very advanced stealth bomber. I mean, remember, they didn't announce a stealth bomber to what, the first Gulf War, I think. Right. Until then, if you saw a stealth bomber, you'd be like, that's an alien ship.

Oh, yeah, for sure. So I just think TR3 is advanced, you know, advanced craft. So that thing right there is what it looks like the TR3? Yeah, that's the one that people have seen a lot of. Whoa. I'm not saying that's what I saw. I'm just saying that that's, to me, an example of like one of these black program craft that we've got. That's wild.

Yeah, I've had people on here tell me that I think that even the Phoenix Lights things were government's thing, government balloons and stuff like that. Well, I mean, we had the drones showing up all over the East Coast and no one still has told us what those were. Oh, yeah. Right? I forgot about that. In 24, they were all over the East Coast, the drones. Wasn't that supposed to be Iran? Yeah, we didn't shoot them down because we were scared of the Chinese.

I mean, or China, was that what it was? Yeah, it was like, but I'm like, okay, so we don't shoot them down? Why? What's going on? Yeah, the Chinese, the Chinese balloon. Oh my God. Yeah, that's too much, too much craziness happening in the news cycle to pay attention to. Kind of have to just allow things to like reach you. That's what I feel like. The information that's important will reach you.

And a lot of it is distraction. A lot of it is designed to like take away our energy. distract us and keep us feeling disempowered and weak. That's why, you know, I like to just come back to like things that I can affect in my reality. Walk my path, you know, and just don't get over too caught up with the things I can't change. I mean, it's like with technology and the media and like how we have so much access to everything instantaneously. It's like a double-edged sword, right? It's like on one hand, yeah, it's making people more aware of like, like,

the evil and the corruption that's happening around the world with world leaders and with governments and stuff that people like you and me want nothing to do nothing to do with and it's probably making us more united at some level at least people that are aware of it yeah and on the other hand it is the perfect tool for governments that want to keep secrets because they no longer have to worry about keeping stuff secret because now they can just flood the zone with bullshit and it's impossible to pick the wheat from the chaff, right? It's impossible to pick the needle out of the haystack of what's real, what's not. They've always been doing this. I mean, this is Cy War. This is psychological operations. I mean, imagine the good, the only difference is they used to have,

you know, three channels and now there's three million, but so you know, you're, now you have a little bit more diversity in terms in choosing your, you know, your vector of where you want to, you know, get your information from or try to, you know, try to make sense of the world through. But yeah, I mean, it's like, you know, it's very frustrating. I mean, even being in California, right we're we're just in l.A. seeing you know typical election shenanigans which i think 2020 was like a big wake-up call for people to realize like yeah this is the strategy it's it's basically you know wait till the election day find out how many votes you need and then just just you know basically mail in as many after the fact i mean 50 000 we get 50 000 you get 40 000 from skid row we get 40 000

Yeah. It was good a row. You know, no, no ID. Everyone's got a ballot. Yeah. Even illegals, it's like, just, yeah, just flood them, you know, just flood the zone. And it's really, it really makes this country feel like a man in a republic when we should be using a blockchain or something to identify, like, you know, every voter should have like a blockchain number and should be able to go and see their vote right there on the blockchain. Oh, that's my number. That's my vote. It should be reflected publicly. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, how many people don't vote? Right? Like how many people that, I feel like the people that are most aware of this stuff that are paying the most attention, the younger folks, don't even fucking vote. You know, it's only the people, the older folks who are more tapped into mainstream news like Fox and CNN that are the ones that are going out and voting.

Like, I think the perfect example of that would be this recent Kentucky race with the Senate race in Kentucky with Thomas Massey and then the other guy. Oh, right. Where like every commercial that, I guess they just spent. million, what was it, like $13, 14 million on that race in Kentucky. And then if you watch the guy's commercials that was running against Massey, he never says a word in any of the commercials. All it is is Trump talking, it's videos of Trump saying, this guy's great war hero, strong handshake, vote for him.

And then at the end of the commercial, it goes, I'm Ed Galleray and I approve this message. That's the whole thing. I think I won because those are people that vote, the people that watch that shit. Yeah. I mean, I don't. I don't vote simply because I think it's all a racket.

Yes. It would be, look, we've got a system where both part, you know, the Republicans are supposed to be limiting spending, but they spend just as much as the Democrats, ultimately, well, at least on the national level, right? We're talking about the national debt, and it just continues to grow and grow and grow no matter who's in office. At the state level, I don't know.

I know that California is a horribly run state, and it's been run by one. party really, at least since Schwarzenegger. So, you know, it should be an indication that there's something wrong. But it's like, you know, they just, how do you say it? Like they swap out, they swap out the tires. They swap out the tires. That's pretty much it, you know. The car is broken down, but they swap out the tires. Well, California is interesting too, because you have like so much craziness happening with like the homeless issues and everything else. And at the same time, it's the, what was it what is it California the number three GDP of any country in the world like all the

yeah about six or something six I think it's insane because of all those giant tech companies it's huge amount of revenue don't know where it goes it's one of those mysteries kind of like the new york city budget yeah yeah and it's also very fascinating how all those tech people are well especially silicon we were in when were we in san francisco that was like four years ago something like that. San Francisco. Yeah, we were in four, we were in San Francisco. And it was my first time ever being in San Francisco, like four years ago, something like that.

And, like, I had not been aware of the fact that you have to leave your car unlocked so people just, they won't break your windows. Like, the dude we were visiting, he's like, just leave your rental car. Don't leave anything in there. Leave the door unlocked because they're going to get in one way or the other. It's easier for them to open the door than to break your window. Road warrior. It's crazy, dude.

We just found purses laying on the street. looted, you know, apparently they're trying to fix that now. But what the point of election season. They got to make it look better. Right, right. Or when they brought Xi, when Xi came to San Francisco, they cleaned it up big time. Right, right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But window dressing. I found it, I find it interesting that you have like all these tech oligarchs like talking spiritual now. Yeah. They're all getting spiritual. They're into the spiritual war. Yeah. And you guys. Peter Thiel's more into the anti-Christ stuff, but he's like, you know, trying to project himself as being some,

there's some big Christian church there, apparently, where all the tech people are now, like, converting to Christianity and all these big tech investors are, there's one tech company that, not tech company, there's one company that invest in tech companies. I forget what the name of it now. But, yeah, they're all involved in, like, preaching the Bible to people in Silicon Valley, which is very wild.

It's interesting. Are they bringing revelations to bear? Is that the, you know, it's kind of makes you wonder, right? Like, if, if, like, they have to do whatever they can to justify the total surveillance society. Yeah. Right. And, you know, it's like, I look at things as the, like, let's say the uniparty, maybe a little bit of, maybe a little bit of correling between like those that are totally globalists. And those are more like, hey, we want to see America sustain as a nation, as a republic. You know, I think that's kind of to me the real heart of the battle.

That's what, you know, Trump is supposed to represent is more the nationalist impulse against the globalist impulse, right? And then, you know, but in the meantime, they're all moving towards like, you know, total surveillance society and digitization. I mean, whether or not we, hopefully Trump has. been opposed to this idea of like the digital currency, right? The digital digitization of like all currency and whatnot. But that's kind of where where things are going on the tech

the tech side of it, right? It's like it's a total digital identification. We all have digital avatars. We all are tracked and monitored and our habits. I mean, everything is known and knowable. So it's like an evidence. Someone was just telling me that TSA just made some

the TSA is making a big change where they're going to require people to do mandatory facial scanning now if you want to travel. Yeah. I mean, I've seen that coming. I mean, they basically, for the last few years, ever since COVID, it's been like, you know, I go abroad. And I mean, I've accepted it because I understand like that we have, like, I have a some level of a public figure.

So it's like, okay, you know, that's my public face. But yeah, when you want to fly, like they'll take your, they'll just do facial recognition, They don't even look at your passport now. That was a few years ago. I noticed that. I've noticed those at airports, but I've always... The craziest thing to me actually was coming back and not having to go through customs. I was like, wow, it's pretty kind of cool.

Like the old days... That's already happening? Most of the time, I mean, I go through, been through Florida a lot, like Miami and stuff. Yeah. There was no customs. What? Yeah. And no customs declaration, which was really which is interesting to me.

you know, like they used to give out the forms like, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. I haven't seen those in like in ages. Really? I feel like I, we mean when you're, when you're laying there, the flight attendant comes and passes you out those forms. I haven't seen that in ages. Interesting. Maybe I just haven't noticed. I think it's all facial recognition now. So they just know you. They're like, okay, we know who you are. We're just tracking you and that's, I don't know. I mean, and so like, and you even see like in going to Miami airport, they'll be like, you know, they have the cameras. they say like five miles out. They start the surveillance and stuff.

Yeah. They notify you. I've accepted. I look at things like you have to, okay, you have to understand that there's a, we're all playing publicly, like public commerce, all the commerce is public, right?

Everything like people think that their money is theirs. Well, no, the cash, all that can be seized. It's all digital. It's not just the digital. It's a Federal Reserve note. It belongs to the Fed. It's a promissory note. Right.

It's not constitutional. money. Constitutional money is gold and silver. The other stuff is just... Right, but money in your bank account is... Can be seized. Essentially, yeah, it can be seized. You see, the bank can do a bail-in. They can take it. They can mess with it. I mean, if they want, they can mess with you, right? Like, you name it. So you have to understand, like, there's a public face to all this commerce. We have to regain this. We have to regain our ourselves, you know, as the private person, not the citizen, you know, not beholden. to that government commercial game, you know, essentially because government is over all of it.

It's all government, you know, over the private sector, but entwined with it, right? So, like, that's why these big contracts are going out to, you know, the companies that become the, you know, the trillion-dollar companies or whatnot, multi-billion-dollar companies. They're getting big contracts to government. But ultimately, it's government, it's government and behind it is the private central banking system lending money to the government to be the tax collector. That's the government's job. It's there to collect taxes, right?

To pay back the banks. Right. You know? Yeah. I guess at some point it's just futile to fight it. You just kind of like kind of go with it. Well, that's what I say focus, prioritize your private side, your private life, to understand like you as a spiritual being, I believe.

Like that's what matters. Like get right with your creator. Get right with yourself. focus on, you know, what you can do in your own life. Right. Because ultimately, again, this is a much bigger game of commerce and, you know, states and empires and things that, you know, transcends any of us. Yeah.

That's why I just went back to like the last thing I did was just writing a book about 10 things to learn as humans, you know, just to be human in the world that's like increasingly transactional, increasingly disorienting and disassociative. Like let's just come back to like the myths. The myths, back to the myths. Back to the myths. Back to the ancient texts. Yeah, the threads, exactly.

The threads that we have like, you know, whether it's, you know, whether it's the stories or the myths, you know, the things that like, whether it's, you know, biblical, whether it's Greek, whether it's, you know, Asian, Buddhist, Hindu. It's like there are certain stories that transcend time. Right. Why? Because they have lessons for us. Mm.

You know. It's definitely interesting. diving into a lot of that stuff. It's a definitely gives you a very unique perspective when you actually read it versus like listening to the distilled version of it, stories that you hear like on the internet and stuff like that, you know. What led you into this Freemasonry stuff? Hmm. Curiosity. I mean, I've been studying, you know, because like going back to like what we were talking about the beginning, you know, the alternative under, like the alternative version of US history, right?

So I was, you know, my dad was giving me books to read, read and I was just like, you know, checking out his library and, you know, I was still in high school and, you know, getting, getting books like Jim Mars Rule by Secrecy about the, uh, the Templars and the masons and things like that and David Ike's work, you know, and all these different secret societies and, you know, the world of the esoteric. So I, you know, I picked, I carried that, that through, like, through college. I was really, you know, just studying history and learning everything I could and in a certain point you get to like this kind of this door where it's like either you open the door and you start to experience you start to enter the realm of like the esoteric

and actually like invite invite the spiritual path and open up to these things that are must be lived you can no longer read you have to actually live it yeah and so um yeah this started in 2009 that my friend and I met this guy who was friends with my dad and he he and I went ghost hunting together and we would go to like as one does yeah well yeah we know and you're if you're in Jersey in haunted in haunted New Jersey you know there's is Jersey known for lots of ghosts you never read haunted NJ there's like a magazine I've heard there's like more I heard there's more cemeteries there than like anywhere it's kind of crazy it's not that many people so I mean I mean, yeah, I guess Jersey called me back. So it was Jersey, New York. We would just ghost hunting these different, like, abandoned mental hospitals. Greystone was a massive one, massive one. And we just, you know, went multiple times, break in at night, find a place to park, you know, run around until we found like an open door, you know.

How old were you when you were doing this? I mean, it was like 24, 25, you know. and yeah it was it was a trip you know I said I made my first film about about those I started working on my first film basically it took three years to get made so in that time when I was like ghost hunting working on the film

yeah I went in day now basically I got initiated into masonry and yeah and went you know went through that well you know again that was it's all kind of intertwines in my consciousness. Did you believe ghosts were real before you did that? Were you like on the fence or were you?

No, I have the, I had the impression that there's too many stories, you know, when you study and read and understand like there's a, there's a, there's something happening on earth. And the Bible talks about it, the Elohim and the fallen, you know, the fallen ones that come from the heavens and land on the, Mount Hermon and take female wives. This is the, in the book of Inoc. Sumerian stuff.

Well, this is Sumerian, but the book of Enoch talks about it. The Bible references it, but they didn't, they didn't let the Enoch be an official canonical book, right? Yeah, it's all very, very, very similar to the original Sumerian shit. Like the stories, the stories definitely come from that. Oh, I mean, the Noah story is a Sumerian text about the flood. Right. And the king who gets chosen to survive it.

but as far as the intermingling of demigods and humans, it's also Hindu. I mean, it's Greeks talk about it. Alexander's story. It was, you know, the mom said that Zeus, you know, slept with her and that's where Alexander was born from, you know, the son of a god, kind of like Achilles or like Hercules, right? Yeah.

Bloodline stuff, you know, genetic modification stuff. You know, who knows? But I was, anyway, so I was, I'm of the, of the mindset that I needed to experience multidimensionality to believe, like fully believe it. So I was open to it. And I was like, okay, you know, let's go. And it's just, at a certain point, you're just like, okay, the synchronicity's become so great.

Yeah. The experiences become extremely strange, high strangeness, I call it. And I mean, I'm going to put out this documentary, I think, just for free or whatever, just because I want people to, like, see it for themselves, you know, basically the footage that I got at that time, 2010, 11, 12, of possessions, of, you know, demonic phone calls, of, again, you know, synchronicities and, like, just things that you can't really, can't, like, rationally. I guess you could try to find, like, a logical explanation.

but at a certain point you just know there's more going on here than it's the eye, you know. So what was the process like of going into the church of the Freemasons? Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's a church in that sense because, you know, they do honor the, you know, a lot of different faiths, right?

They can be. Are they really? Yeah, Christian, Jewish, Muslim. My understanding of masonry, you know, people like, because of my Tucker interview, they're like, you know, you're bad-mouthing masons. I'm like, I don't see anything about masons. I just think it's an initiatory group, right?

Initiatory in the sense that there's something going on at a higher level. And I think higher even like dimensionally higher. Because that's something that I felt and that I've been told about like when you do these rituals or the ritual of just, you know, doing the dialogue. It's a play, right? Like it's a play and you, you know, you walk to like different, you know, the north and the south and the east and the west and all that. And like you walk to different places and you say your lines and blah, blah, it's a play. But it's a ritual that is being observed multidimensionally, I believe. And that was why I got called right after the first initiation.

You know, the phone call was almost like, you know, literally. he said like how did you like the meeting this voice you know it's like how did you like the meeting and i was like it's interesting game you've got you know that kind of thing but it it wasn't like it wasn't answering my questions about like who you are and whatnot it was really just telling me that they were watching me whatever these things are and um you know they were watching me all the way back it just sound like a dude it was a man's voice and then it was a woman's voice and she sounded more demonic than he did. Oh yeah. Demonic how? Like like you hear in the movie like oh wow like kind of like I know what did she say yeah very witchy. Al go don't make me show you something to

really be scared about that kind of thing. Oh no. Very witchy. Um yeah they were just watching. I mean they were observing they were letting me know that they watch. I was in like I was pretty like it was a pretty intense time because between that and other things that were going on I went on Alex Jones show at that point like 2000 I want to say 2011 I was on for the first time on Alex's show talking about these things you know and Alex was so funny he was just like oh it's probably the NSA or the CIA you know they're just messing with that I'm like listen those guys definitely those guys are definitely embedded in all the cults they are Well, I mean, that's one of the, one of the theories about a lot of the alien stuff, right?

Is that, like, they're open. Okay, so one of the theories about it is that some of these beings, these aliens that have been showing up are demons that have been, like, portals that have been opened by people like Alastair Crowley. So, like, it was not, it wasn't Crowley, it was his, his, his acolytes. Hubbard from the Scientologist. Parsons. Hubbard and Parsons, right? So Hubbard goes on as found the Scientologist. Before he founds the Scientologists,

he's working with Parsons. And Parsons is like, I think he was writing Crowley about Hubbard. He was like enamored by Hubbard. He's like, this guy is like so thelemic. He's so willful, you know. And Parsons had set up the OTO here, right? in Pasadena, not here, in Pasadena.

And Parsons was a rocket scientist. Right. The JPL. Some people say JPL is actually not Jet Propulsion Lab, it's Jack Parsons lives, right? So brilliant guy ends up dying in a weird freak way that makes you wonder what it really happened. You know, blew himself up or something, which...

Also, Elron Hubbard stole his wife, I think. He did. He stole his girlfriend, I think, became his wife. Yeah. But before that, they did a working, a Babylon working. out of the desert. A Babylon working. Yeah.

Yeah, Babylon working. What does that mean? They were trying to like bring on, what was it? The Scarlet Woman, I think. I think they were trying to invoke the Scarlet Woman from like Book Revelation kind of stuff. Bring on the scarlet woman. And that becomes the girlfriend of Parsons that, no, she shows up in their life after this. Some Marjorie, is it Marjorie Cameron or something?

I can't remember. Anyway, it's an interesting story. But the point was that, yeah, Naki and. magic, which when the one time I read some Anachian magic, I got a phone call from a demon saying, are you a sorcerer? So yeah, Marjorie Kamen shows up. And so anyway, this is crazy. Wild stuff, man. I'm telling you, you start messing with this. Things happen. It opens portals. But some people think because the 40, the ritual was in 46, that it opened the door to the UFO sighting starting in 47, right before Roswell. It was like the first.

major wave and then Roswell's what like right around July 4th 47 and so some people thought that this was actually like yeah like they were doing these workings and opening portals to these beings to come through anyway that's there are definitely people in the like the military intel world that would believe you know that believe this stuff and that's why look if you if you know it's there you you know you do find your faith so that's why, you know, I don't scoff at people like Teal finding Christianity if it's genuine, you know, because when you know this stuff is real, you do look for faith. You do basically look to solidify your faith in your creator, because that's the only power you've got against

these things. Yeah. And if they look at, hey, the potential for AI is demonic or the portals being opened by, let's say those windows, you know, these dark mirrors, because that's, yeah, that's what these are. These are dark mirrors. You know, every phone, every screen is a dark mirror in the old days what did what did witches and conjurers work with dark mirrors that's how they would invoke the spirits in a dark mirror you know black yeah they call them black mirrors right but that's what we're surrounded by now black mirrors so so what was left and right maybe so what are what is a demon what do you think a demon actually is uh low vibrational frequent low vibrational entity i would say um so again i think you can feel these things like based on the the feeling it gives you

like if something if something like brings like a higher like i don't think that the demons can operate from like a place of heart and love right and high and up they're going to operate from like from here down so they're going to feed on our our appetites like our lesser our lesser appetites you know and that's why the seven sins it's all like you know dante's inferno greed and lust and theft and murder and treachery and all that You know, that leads you into hell. Okay. Right.

And then if you, you know, if you start to work with the heart, you know, as forgiveness, be aware of people, you know, people that you heard, things that you do that, you know, that hurt others. Like, you start to have more awareness, more reciprocity in relationships. Like, that's, that's where we want to be as humans, right? So the demons, I think they feed on and operate at that lower level. And when you, as a human, are operating at that level. And we all do it to some extent, but the more we do, like, the more that they can attach to that.

And that's why I think that there's a lot of entities that do attach to humans. And the more, you know, the more you surrender to them essentially. Yeah. I'm reading this book. I'm reading this book about Satan right now that Jacques Valet recommended. And it's this French book written by French Carmelite. I forget who wrote it. Somebody in some French people wrote it.

And the case the book makes is that that sort of way of being, that satanic way of being is the default mode for humanity. Humanities are by default satanic unless you accept Jesus into your heart. And that's the only way you can get rid of it. That's what the book says. I don't agree with that. I think that Jesus is a path in a way, but I think there's plenty of people around the world who are not satanic,

who don't believe in Jesus but are still good people. Right. You know, in the sense that, I mean, that's kind of like the old, you know, Jesuit, you know, thing. Like, we have to convert you heathens. Otherwise, you know, you're damned to hell kind of thing, right? Right, right. But I think that Jesus is the way in a sense of like he's an example.

He's like he's an example of like the perfected human, right? So certainly, you know, it's a great model. Right. You know, to follow, to embrace, to love. but the idea that like you have to follow Jesus to be good, I don't think that's, that's accurate. I think that people inherently know right from wrong when it comes to hurting others, empathy.

I would say that's to me the barometer. Yeah. Are you empathetic? You know, even as a kid, are you empathetic? Or are you a sociopath? You're one of those kids that, like, kills animals. Right. Harts other people and like gets off on, like,

it gets high on hurting people. Right. Or do you say like, oh, I hurt you, I'm sorry. Mm-hmm. That's the key. That's empathy. Does Crowley or Parsons ever talk? Is there, I mean, I've never read, I haven't read anything on what they were doing back then, but do they talk about how they were able to do this?

I mean, it says like sex rituals and shit like that, but like, specifically like what? So the ritual, the Babylon working, they sing in Nakian magic. I mean, Nakia and magic, you can find books on it, just like it's, it's incantations that John D put together, the Queen Elizabeth's, you know, head sorcerer. Yeah. And that's powerful stuff. As I mentioned, I did a, I picked up one of the books in my library. And I started doing, I read the incantation. Really?

Then meditated. And I got a phone call from one of these unknown numbers. And it was literally like, this like thing coming through. Are you a source? And then it was like, and it was garbled. It was really hard to understand the rest of what it said. Did you call the, yeah? Kept talking and talking and talking.

And then it disconnected. Did you call the number? back? It was a unknown number. An unknown number. Yeah. Yeah. I would get these like, unknown numbers or six, six, six, six, six, six six six. It was like, it was a wild time. Bro, it was a CIA. They were on you. No, one of them was a ball worship. It was like a ritual. Yeah, it was one time. It was like, I put it on Alex Jones because I was like, this is like, I recorded it. But like, they called, I was with my friend who was also the Mason. And it was like, literally they were going like, they were invoking ball.

They were like, they were trying to draw our energy into their ritual, it sounded like. They were calling us and like talking about ball and all, la, la, la, oh, and these kind of chanting kind of voices. And we're just like, what do you know, what do you want, you know? But it's never, they don't, they're never clear, you know, that's the point. Yeah. It's always, it's like they're trying to pull you energetically into something.

That's what it feels like. Who, who? Um, the entities the entities the entities they mean the entities are like and again I don't think all like aliens are demons it's just there's different entities with different agendas um as I said you can feel it by the frequent like by the by where you're at like does it feel like it's parasitic like it's sucking on you and that it's like that it's dark or does it feel loving and you know of like of God I mean I think that there's so many entities in this planet that we don't see you know that are invisible

to the naked eye because we only experienced like less than one percent of reality. Right. You know? Right. Well, I think it's very interesting, you know, that all of these people like Jack Parsons and El Ron, not necessarily, I would discard him, but like Jack Parsons and, um, Warner von Braun and all these people that were like the foundation of the space program were like so involved in this non-material, this like non-material, this like non-manenture.

this like non-material sort of spiritual crazy stuff like this, right? Was Von Braun? I believe Von Braun was, yeah, I believe. I mean, he was definitely like one of the, wasn't he also connected to Parsons somehow? And like, I don't remember about Bono. I know that there was lots of Nazis that were very much into this stuff and they were like allegedly creating some kind of like very advanced esoteric technology.

Well, that goes back to like the SS cult, the death head right there. the thing like Himmler was really into the grail lore and they had the castle and they had like this black was the black son or they had like this ritualistic markings and they seem to have been doing some black magic um but like my overall point is like it seems to be like there's there's there's there's way more to some of the the peak of technology and the space program and the history of the space program there's way more to it than just the basic materialist view of science right there's definitely some crazy magic. Because I don't think we understand what space is.

Right. You know, and this kind of goes like the question of like, it'll be fascinating to go up to the, the space station even or just, you know, just out of the atmosphere and just experience what space is, you know,

how it affects consciousness. Yeah. Because like I said, just hiking in the Himalayas, like my consciousness was like, I felt like I was walking with like, Eden or something. Like some like,

not Eden, but like some pre-deluvian world, you know, before the floods, before the, before humans came, it's like the mountains are just, like have this ancient power to them. Yeah.

And then, you know, what is space? It's really mysterious. It's not, it doesn't, I don't think it's a vacuum. I think it's, it's probably filled with, like, plasma. Mm. You never heard this? The plasma science, like the whole, like, what's it called? Like lightning bolts of the gods

and all the plasma physics. Remind me. Yeah, just basically plasma is like, it's called like the forced state of matter. Right, right. So it's ionically charged. Yeah, but the idea is that like there's literally like plasma across space. And so it's not an empty vacuum.

Right. It's filled with plasma. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. There's a whole physics around it. Like in how like explaining like how the universe is designed differently than what the current cosmology wants everyone to believe that it's sort of like a big bay.

It's bang expansion and like leading into like a, you know, to heat death. Right. Like currently it's like it's just expanding its death. Right. We're all gonna, everything's gonna get so far apart that it's all gonna end up in like, in a death of the of the universe. Right, right. You know? Yeah. Plasma physics has a completely different cosmology. Well, like that we're trying to fit the universe into like a different ontology, right?

Is this what's going on? Like there's just the idea. I've had some person, people explain this to me before how like just the idea that. the universe had to have started at one point and is going to end at one point and was created at a time and a place by a single person or entity is kind of a fallacy, right? Because there's constantly, we know for a fact that there are planets constantly living, being born and dying. The same thing with solar systems and galaxies and universes are constantly being destroyed and emerging all over the place. So like the idea, like that idea that this is like a linear thing is kind of a fallacy. It's biblical. It's biblical.

It goes back to the Bible story and that's why, you know, who, you know, he makes you wonder, was the Bible written really in Babylon? You know, when the Jews were in captivity in Babylon, is that really where the Bible was created? Hmm. The Old Testament. Right. You know? Yeah. Because again, it's like a mixture, as you said, like it's a mixture of some Sumerian myths, some Eastern.

Egyptian stuff, but it's, there's definitely this idea of like, you know, God creating the universe and then essentially like reaching to this crescendo, this Twilight of the God's moment of the apocalypse or Armageddon, right, and then the return of the king. Yeah, you know, you really don't wonder what's, this is, are we just, you know, how do you say, are we going to play out the mythology that we've chosen? Yeah. How deep do you think like the world leaders or like the upper echelon of bankers and secret societies that control the world are really into this kind of stuff? I think the ones that are in the know are very into it.

I think the ones that are like dynastic, the ones who count, like who actually know their bloodlines, who actually like care about title and they're initiated. as I mentioned, like the Masons, like the Masons are a vast initiatory group. Once you're there, I think you get selected into more, like, you know, paths get, you know, you get selected into more, like, secret groupings, you know, or whatnot. You can end up with, you know, in the OTO, for example, which is like the Crowley kind of, you know, sex and blood magic kind of stuff, you know, you can end up with the Templars. You could end up with other, any number. I mean, there's so many, especially in Europe.

I mean, Europe is filled with like, you know, the old dynastic bloodline families that I think have, you know, that's always been the rumor. Like, they're much worse when it comes to, like, the cannibalism of kids and the kind of like the blood sacrifice kind of stuff that it's much darker in Europe than here. Really? Yeah, this is all kind of, this whole conversation we're having is like a conversation that you'd be laughed out of a room for having. two years ago, right? And it's like, now that the Epstein files have come out and like all these things have been I mean it's for one for whatever like you could say validated. I mean, the government hasn't really acknowledged any of it.

They just kind of dropped it on us and we're like we're left to fend for ourselves to rationalize it for ourselves. Totally totally. But like the fact that that was dropped on us is pretty crazy because you can't dismiss it anymore. Yeah. It's, how to make, how to make sense of it. I mean, I had to deal with like making sense of this stuff back in like the 90s and 2000s. Yeah. You know, when I was first reading about the Franklin scandal and whatnot. And that's why I did the, um, the best kept secret docu series to try to get people like a little bit of a thread or a path to make sense of a world

where, you know, governments, politicians are involved in the trafficking and protecting it. Because the politicians are themselves either involved or compromised. Yes. You know, kind of with like with the drug traffic. I mean, I literally touched on all these different threads, you know, the issue of like how we are mind controlled through media,

through storytelling, right? To basically like think of these things as fantastical or far out or, you know, they drop little hints like in the Virginia Chrome and fear and loathings, right? Where he's like, he's tripping. and he's seeing the dinosaurs, reptilians, essentially, right? Yeah. But it's coming from such a far-out source that you're not taking it very seriously,

except Hunter Thompson was a very good journalist. Because as crazy as he gone so as he was, he really was, like, immersing himself in all these things. In fact, he was even part of, like, Nixon's, you know, he was part of, like, Nixon's campaign, like, he's journalists, like covering the campaign. I mean, he was a serious journalist. He was just crazy.

Because he opened himself to, like, everything and ultimately killed himself because I think he knew too much. And that's, well, I mean, going back to like the nature of like the book that done things to learn, it's like we are in the world having eaten the apple. We are in the world of mind. And everything that we think has to have some expression in our reality. So we actually have a lot of power. we have to start with like recognizing the power of our thoughts and where our attention's going right right

because all these things can only occur because we're allowing them to occur you know the dark stuff that's going on we're allowing it we accept it and if we didn't we would have stopped it collectively we collectively are accepting these things yeah sadly to say and people will be like outraged and be like how can we accept it's like no thankfully we're starting to recognize what we've accepted because for so long, people turned a blind eye. For so long, culturally, like you said, you laugh. Someone talks about something like, you know, human sacrifice. Yeah.

They'd laugh. So basically by ridiculing, you're accepting rather than inquiring, investigating, saying, wait, no, I want to know more. Wait, this isn't okay. It's not acceptable. We have to stop calling people crazy for having, you know, seen things or observe things or learn things that are uncomfortable. only when we face the darkness,

are we going to be able to shine light on it? And that will bring it to an end. Yeah. But as long as we try to be, you know, as they've maintained the polite society around all this stuff, you know, whether it's pedophilia, whether it's, you know, darker crimes. It's like so much has been hidden.

Yeah. And now it's really time to like be like David, who's like, you know, transgressed. You know, he's King David. Remember he took, you know, he basically impregnated a married woman, he sent her husband off to die, basically kills the guy so he can hide his transgression. Yeah. Guess what? He's got to get right with God. I'm like, that's where we are. We have to get right with our creator and really acknowledge the reality that we have co-creative

collectively and stop making it them because that's always the excuse. They're the bad ones there. Yeah, but have you done the homework? Have you done your inner work? Are you spreading light? Are you doing, you know are you being as good as you can every day even just in a small way because if we all make like if we all clean up our own mess the reality will change interesting you think you'd have like a bottom up effect on the world it's the only way be the change you want to see in the world it's the only way you can't change other people so if we all if we all start meditating and doing saying kumbaya and getting right with ourselves, with our communities, with our families, this can somehow stop the absolute chaos we see happening on the global stage somehow.

Yeah. Wow. Changes the priorities. Changes the priorities. I like it. Yeah, because it's the things we need to learn. We all fail. We all have, you know, we all fall. We all have our, you know, our falls from grace, our, you know, our breakdowns, right? But like what happens after that? You know, after that, you have to, like, we have to learn to surrender, to cry. Yeah. To be transformed, right?

Because that's how, like, then we recognize what we actually, like, what our priorities are. What do we actually care about? And when we realize what we care about, we also realize what we hate. And so hating is not a bad thing. because it's an energy force. But we have to learn like, okay, you can be like Hitler and try to like, hates hate, you know, I'm going to hate and I'm going to exterminate that, which I hate, or he can be like Gandhi and be like, no, I'm going to try.

I'm going to not hate the person. I'm going to hate the system and I'm going to work to change the system. You know, and even when someone kills him, he still forgives the guy that kills him. Yeah. You know, he literally is like Christ. He's like, I forgive you. When you describe that, that sucking feeling of like the parasitic demonic force that you call, I feel like that is something that is inherent with, and that comes with money and power,

because it seems like the people who have the most money and the most power are the ones that sort of lose empathy. They're the most afraid. Yeah. It's the thing is like, you know, when you got an image, it's like if you have an image to maintain or you have money to maintain, right? and you realize like the power and the responsibility. Well, now you have to, if you know,

when it comes to the wealth, you can live with that reptilian brain, which is like our root, right, of our brain. It's like that ancient fear. I have to strike before the other one strikes me. It's stupid game theory,

you know, it's like screw the other guy before you screws you kind of mentality. Yeah. You end up, you know, you end up sociopathic. And this is a story.

As old as the oldest written word, right? I mean, we have these same stories. It's like, it's so spooky to me how, like, some of the stories that you read in this Epstein files, parallel. Some of the shit happening with, like, ancient Roman empires, you know, like, Tiberius. The Romans, they, look, I mean, there's an interesting question that how much was picked up from the east. They're the nature of, like, once the Republic fell, right? It was like, it turns into an empire. and they go eastward.

And there's a, who was it? Was it one of the writers basically said, if you look in the Roman, like look in the names now of all the Roman families, they're all basically from the east. They've been like, we've been bringing Babylonian people

basically into our empire. It's no longer traditional Rome. It's now been like, we've adopted Eastern ways, Babylonian ways, practices. And more hedonism. And I mean, yeah, the stories around Capri where,

Was it Tiberius was in Capri? Where he had his villa. And that's where, like, he would have, like, the boys. And, you know, they did, they threw people off the cliff, I think. And yeah. All that kind of stuff. Yeah, the debauchery. I mean, it became, and then, you know, they, yeah, they became hedonistic.

They became, they operated with cults. And there was an archaeologist who excavated that island. And they found just, like, off the edge of that cliff, just tons of skeletons of children. Yeah. Yeah. And so they had, they had the cults of power. So, like, if you're not initiated into. the right cult you won't know you know the kind of dark stuff that how do you say you won't

understand you won't have power in that society you have to be initiated so it was you know how do you say yeah it was not a great model i mean people are you know yeah they they built an infrastructure they they had what water you know piping and like you know some amazing uh yeah uh what he call it uh the water aqueducts and things like this and some more great architecture but um No, and then they basically ended up relying on mercenaries and gradually it collapsed. They had to. I mean, the interesting question is like Catholicism

is very much Roman adoption, right? It's like the continuation of the Roman Empire by turning the emperor into a pope and the Roman Senate into the Roman Curia. And so ironically, the Roman Empire has survived in the form of the Catholic Church. Because spiritual, that was the only way to survive. You know, they didn't have the, um, the moral impetus, but they could find a spiritual

impetus to survive. And now the Catholic church is still one of the wealthiest groups in the world. I don't know if they're the wealthiest, maybe the wealthiest, right? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And then like, you know, also like some of the crazy, disgusting shit that was happening back then that they were doing, that makes no sense to us today, but they probably believed helped them some way, like drinking the, like, they would have like, like, like, old ailing aristocrats who were like dying of some sort of disease, they would slit the throat of some young 20-year-old warrior and drink his blood. Yeah, but we still have that.

We still, I mean, now we know the power of like, you know, how do you say, of like blood transfusions from young people? Isn't that, isn't that like a new thing now? Oh, yeah, there's a guy who's famous for it. Brian Johnson, there's this guy who, like, thinks he's going to, his goal is to live for as long as possible. And he, like, started out, I think, taking the blood of his kid and injecting it into himself, I believe.

Yeah, yeah. Well, it's just fucking bonkers. It's Saturn. It's Saturn. So what did Saturn or Kronos in the Greek myth, right? Saturn, Kronos, what is he, you know, he's the Lord of Time. And he's unwilling to transfer power. I mean, that's the nature of time.

It's like it has to surrender, right? There's a, there's a not, there's a circularity to it. It's a cycle. But he refuses. So he eats his own children, remember? And then eventually his wife gives him a, stone instead of Zeus. Right. So he eats the stone and Zeus is able to grow up, become strong enough, poisons his father. His father throws up his other children and that become, so the Greek gods,

that whole pantheon of, what was it, like nine gods or whatever. They, um, they are born from, you know, basically Zeus freeing them. And then they throw Kronos into the pits of Hades, essentially or right, Tartarus or somewhere. And he gets overthrown eventually, you know, because you can't stop what is inevitable, you know, the passing of the torch, the, the process of, you know, of accepting a new role. He doesn't want to, you know, he doesn't want to give up the crown. He wants to, you know, a lot of these boomers are like that. They want to be the king forever. Yeah. Yeah, man. It will never happen. That painting is one of the most fucking dark, demonic, scariest fucking paintings ever. So that thing, that thing, eating the children.

It's, uh, the god who eats his, each children or whatever. It's the Spanish painter. Um, um, What's his name of, why am I blanking? I love his work. He also did like a Baphmet looking goathead like demon and he did some fascinating stuff. Is that Francis? Goya? Goya. Yeah.

Goya. Yeah. See, I got Sebastian Gorka's name in my head. I'm like, not Gorka. Goya. Okay. See what they do? There's too many names to keep track of.

But Goya did other paintings with like the goat head. Right there, like the black Sabbaths out there on the left. There's the goat head. That's like a, yeah, that's an interesting one. And then also, you see this? They're having like a Sabbath and she's offering the skeleton child. What is going on? Whoa.

Yeah, that's Goya. And it makes you really wonder. And then go to the far. That's a great shot from the, when Napoleon, when they were rebelling against Napoleon, Napoleon's brother was running Spain in the 1800s. But then on the far left there, there's another. Is that another satanic thing on the left above? Up here?

Yeah, that one. What's going on here? That's another Black Sabbath. Oh, that's as far as it. Oh, what is going on there? Which is Coven. Those owls? Bats and stuff.

Bats? No, you're right. They're owls. Maybe owls. There's like a human, there's a human that's a demot, like an incubus in the sky. When was this painted? When was this created? Does it say, Steve?

So it's probably around 18 something, 18-100. Yeah. Yeah. So one of my friend of mine told me she was doing research in the Spanish, so she was doing research in the Spanish, right? She was doing research in the Spanish museum, like a national museum in Madrid, I think. And she goes, she was like there at night, like, and it was, she like started hearing these, like, something like echoing. And she got curious and she went off to like an area that was roped off.

and she basically got close enough to like see she said there was like a bunch of cloaked people and they were doing some kind of incantation drawing upon the energy of paintings in the museum like Ghostbusters 2 style. Jesus. And that would be the kind of thing that again, royals would have access to people of, it's not just the kings and queens. I mean obviously all these countries in Europe still have kings and queens, but they've got the princes, they've got the dukes, they've got the titles and stuff. That's why I say there's a lot of.

stuff that goes on still but you know under the guise of like it's a democracy or whatever but yeah you know if you're really in power you don't want to you don't want to claim it you want to be behind the scenes i had this guy on who's a corner in france and he does autopsies on ancient people so on the remains of ancient people like he did work on the remains of Picasso uh Napoleon um and he was also explaining that there's these paintings that were going around that were allegedly painted using the blood of King Louis the 13th or something like this and or using his heart because his heart allegedly was like sold in the black market. Someone took his heart and someone allegedly bought his heart and the story was that that his heart was used to paint this painting. Remember this painting,

Steve? And so he did an examination of the painting and he tested the red pigment in the painting, like took a sample of it, put under microscopes and tested it all that. And sure is shit, like he tested the DNA and all that stuff. It was the actual heart fibers in the red pigment of the painting that belonged to that king. I'm not surprised. Insane stuff, what they were doing, man. And then he also showed us, have you seen the, is this a, is this, oh, this one's actually in the Louvre? So, yeah, if you look at the red the red pigment on her dress that's from the fucking heart of which king let's get the king right oh there there it was it was down there king louis louis louis the 13 and 14 yeah

wait no um yeah both kings so many of them wow wow the mummy brown and the marvelous glaze Let me go ask the restroom. I think if you look up the Sean Stone Alex Jones interview, you might find... We'll be right back. The skull of Mary Magdalene. Have you seen that at the Basilica in France? And Saint-Bomb?

No, I think it's... Well, that's where she died, right? They have a sanctuary devoted to her in San Balm. It's a cave. It's really cool. Right. So there's no, this is somewhere else, Steve. find show show the uh the skull of mary magdalen it's like it looks like it's in this space helmet dude it's wild looking i oh shit i have that there you go so right there yeah relics of mary magdalen so this is allegedly the actual skull of mary magdalen in san bomb oh is that where it is

okay saint so this guy this french guy charlieet filippe charlieuille who is the corner he's been trying to get them to give him permission to examine the skull and test it to see if it was really her. Why not? And they won't let him. They don't want it to prove to be Hitler's skull. They don't want it. Exactly. It's not being Hitler's skull.

Can you imagine? Oh my God, dude. You know, because apparently remember the skull that the Russians had that they said was Hitler. Right. That they got possession of the body. Oh, yeah, yeah. So he was a part of that. What it was?

Charlie. this guy I'm telling you about. So he actually did an examination of not the skull, but the teeth, the jaw, part of the jawbone of Hitler. Which one? I don't know.

Because the ones the Russians had was a woman. Oh, what? Yeah, it was like, remember, like, most likely Hitler escaped the bunker. Right. Right.

And it's even come out recently, I thought. Was it, which files? Which batch of files? Was it? Epstein, CIA. Some files was talking about this. that like Hitler escaped, you know, escaped Germany after, you know, during the war.

And they faked his suicide. This was in some of those declassified files? Yeah, then there's come out. I vaguely remember something like this, but I... Information overload. Yeah. See what you can mind. It's too many.

It's too much to keep track of what's real, what's hallucination, what's AI hallucinating. Well, I mean, what are the chances that all his top general. made it out alive, but he was the one that was noble enough to sink, go down with the ship. Oh, yeah, exactly. You know? Borman was a major one. That was his, like, chief secretary. And, yeah, he was, you know, again, like you said, the rat lines got a lot of them out.

So why wouldn't he have been the first to basically say, you know, get me out of here? Yeah. Right. And he probably went to Argentina as to how the story goes, right? Yeah. Yeah. that's one of the destinations. Man, I'm so pissed we can't find this audio recording of this demon calling you.

That would have been great. When does the documentary come out? It'll be out in like a few weeks here. A few weeks? Are you going to put it on YouTube? Yeah, I should get it to you guys. I should get you guys the documentary. You can play a clip from it or something.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I would love to see it. Yeah, but the story of, the story of all that, the history of all that, and of, you know, how Hitler's life ended.

It's very, very interesting. It's very, the story doesn't seem to make sense with the official narrative. Because like when Felipe, this corner I'm telling you about, when he was getting permission by the KGB,

um, or the FSB or whatever it was to go get access to it, it was like, like lots of interrogations these guys had to go through to get in to, and interviews they had to go through to get access to their archives where they had, the Hitler's skull. So where the job bone. Yeah, I mean, that's where it says that the DNA test show that was a woman's skull.

But what is it, what are the new files that are out about Hitler escaping to South America? Yeah, there was new government declassification, new declassified files by the government that alluded to Hitler escaping or Hitler surviving. So you would type in something like declassified files, Hitler, escape. Type that into your AI and see what it will come up with. It should have something. Your AI should know something about that. I mean, I use AI a lot.

I think it's people, you know, people are funny because they're like, well, AI makes mistakes. I'm like, yeah, you're not supposed to treat it like, it's like God. You're just supposed to use it, you know, as something that can do really rapid research and give you some feedback. It's a perspective. Right. You know, I think that's the key.

You have to keep in mind. It's a perspective. It is not meant to be infallible. Well, I mean, whenever people try to, like, condense and give you, like, one trough to get all your information, you should always be skeptical of it. Jerusalem Post, the hunt for Hitler. CIA, okay, no, this is not it. This is anything about declassified files here? It's probably the evidence.

Declassified. Yes. Yeah. Millied authorized the classification of documents. Okay, who is this guy? Javier Millet? The president of Argentina. Oh, I see. Oh, there you go. Oh, I do remember this.

Authorized the classification of these documents after the meeting with the Simon Wiesenthal Center official say February. The Daily Mail also cited former UN war crimes investigator who is more cautious about claims of Nazis aiming to build a fourth Reich in Argentina, where Peter Thiel is now building his giant compound. Nothing to see here. It's curious. It's all curious. It is. It's like, well, you know, a lot of things that we can only speculate about, right? Yeah.

Yeah. So I like, you know, I like to work more from the evidence and, you know, build from that, you know, or lived experience. Right. Yeah. Definitely, man. Well, dude, thanks for doing this, man. Yeah. This has been super fun.

It's, it's been a ride. I mean, we've gone from. From JFK to the paranormal. Yeah, we're all over the place. The secret space program to the occult. Seems pretty fitting. There's nothing we haven't covered. It seems pretty fitting.

Yeah, the only thing we haven't covered is psychedelics. Well, which ones? You tell me. I mean, I'm more of an ayahuasca. I've done it Bogga. Bogga was pretty true. Boca was pretty, like a, boga was a little bit stronger than ayahuasca. but not dissimilar.

Uh-huh. The only thing I could say with Iboga was the machine elves showed up on that one. Oh, yeah? And I didn't get the machine. I usually get the Elohim on ayahuasca. You get the Elohim on ayahuasca? Yeah. Good Lord.

I'm too scared to try ayahuasca. I'm terrified to be stuck in that state for that long. Well, you don't have to be. I mean, you can just take one, you know, glassful. will only take you so far if you don't choose to continue and drink like two cups or three cups. It'll only take you for, you know,

maybe like a couple hours. And it may not take you that deep either. You know, the first round, the first dose may not take you all the way. Right. So you can just feel like how your body is responding and if you're ready to go deeper. Right.

Then you drink more. You know, but it's not like a mushroom where you eat the whole mushroom. Have you ever done regular DMT? Yeah. I smoked it. Okay. Yeah.

I just had a dude in the other day who was the patient zero for this intravenous DMT study where they put you on an IV of DMT for like a couple hours and they like interview you

and interrogate you the whole time and they're trying to like figure out what's actually going on. That's cool. Figure out map the realm. Yeah. If there's anything there figure out what it really is.

Pretty interesting. I think it's interesting because you know, like I said, what I see it as you can communicate with, you know, whatever entities or your higher self, however you want to, like, perceive it, you can ask questions and with intention. So if someone is kind of doing it more in a clinical state, they can ask questions that,

you know, because the nature of consciousness is such that, you know, I believe we're co-creating their reality, right? And so as soon as someone else is entering your fear of, sphere of consciousness and asking you to, like, talk to these beings, now you're, you're. directly talking to these beings through that person, you're part of the experience. You've altered the, you've altered the, you've altered the experience by being present. Right, right. It just as an observer, let alone when you're asking questions.

Right. And yeah, so again, like where our consciousness is underlying, like, that's all that I, that's all that we can say exists. is my consciousness is all that I can say I know, right? I can never know your consciousness. I can only know you through the experience of my consciousness and the filter of my consciousness. And so like we're just kind of swimming in this. We know it's there, but we don't know what it is

or what it comes from. You know, it's like a mystery. It's just like the mystery. It's just like all the biggest mysteries. Is there God? Who built the pyramids? And what the hell is consciousness? What happens after we die?

Well, I think, you know, the Egyptians would have said you're building your life directing it towards the afterlife. And that's sort of the Christian mystery too. It's like we're directing ourselves through our work and our thoughts, our beliefs, our life. We're directing it towards the afterlife. That's very Egyptian. The Egyptians were all about that, like preparation for the hereafter.

And then, you know, I think the idea is that through remaining conscious, through the death experience, the intention is to like project your, your consciousness into your next incarnation with intention, where you want to be, what you want to experience next. Right. Well, it is interesting that, you know, people that experience the, when you do experience these kind of like extremely psychedelic drugs like DMT or ayahuasca, it does seem like very similar to what people describe when they have near-death experiences, you know? Yeah.

So it's like, what is that? the fact that like consciousness is not like not the brain creating consciousness but consciousness exists and we tune into it like we're an antenna yeah yeah and we're like we're able to experience more by like parts of the brain being shut down that's why the drugs allow us to like open up yeah but it's be careful like you know the nature of drugs like i like the plant medicines more but in a in a with an intentional setting you know people can get lost in the realm because again, like you talk about like demons in like the lower astral planes or whatnot, the realms where these entities exist that can oftentimes like attach and feed on you

and feed on, you know, ego essentially, right? So it's like the ego of, you know, cocaine or something, you know, people feeling like they're Superman. Yeah. Right. Hunter Thompson. Yeah, I mean, but so many people I think, you know, went down that hole of, you know, I've seen it. I don't touch it, but like a lot of people I've seen with cocaine, it's like, it's part of why my dad had to kick cocaine because he was like, you know, you just everything you, everything that you do you think is great. If you're writing a script, like you think it's fantastic, you've lost the whole balance. How come all the greatest writers were on cocaine? Who? Hunter Thompson, for one. I don't know. He's the greatest writer, but okay. He's one of the bad, not the greatest, but he was very good. Um, um, prolific. Um, who is the guy who wrote Cujo? Why am I blanking on his name? Stephen King. Stephen King. Stephen King was. fucking going crazy on cocaine and alcohol when he was writing some of his best stuff.

Cujo, like famously, he was like on Coke the whole time. Yeah, I guess, I mean, look, it's an upper, you know, so it gives you energy. Yeah. But. Right. But, I mean, there's something else there, though, I feel like. Maybe not just cocaine. Yeah.

Maybe it's just drugs. Maybe there's something to do with drugs and creativity that seem to go hand in hand. No, I mean, look, they're, again, they're portals, right? So it's like you're opening, you know, you're, if you're inhibiting some parts of your brain, that's like putting restrictions on you or allowing your imagination to roam more. Right? You're allowing yourself to just to experience more,

to take more in, to be more, you know, potentially more alive. There is something to that. It just, I think also with cocaine, it's like, like I said, people can really, they buy their own bullshit too much. It's like they think, you know, and so, yeah, maybe you have some success,

but you can really be in the ego. Yeah. From what I see. Well, I think that's probably even, psychedelics to an extent, right? Like it seems like I've heard a lot of people, researchers, people a lot smarter than me about this stuff, explain how they believe that what psychedelics do is they manifest what's already there in the psyche. And they sort of like reinforced ideals or beliefs, maybe subconscious that you're not aware of.

Sure. And they bubble them up to the surface, which is why, you know, you get this sort of like a lot of people in the psychedelic like space sort of like turn into door knockers. They become evangelists for it, right? They think that they have all the answers, right? And it's very strange. And there was this famous study, which I've talked about at nauseam on this show.

I'm sorry. But there was this John Hopkins study with religious professionals, if he's heard of that, where they took religious leaders from Judaism, Christianity, I think Hindu and Islam, and they gave them

psilocybin and they documented what their experience was and all of their experiences were basically mapped by their religious belief in the religious background yeah so like what they saw and all that kind of stuff see it's it's it's one of those things where it's like chicken or egg though because I believe like the soul incarnates into that path for a reason for like a learning experience so you know is a person inventing the reality based on their understanding of theology or have they been born into that theology to understand it. Like born into a belief? Yes.

Yes. You've chosen a certain culture, a certain belief system to explore it as a soul. Yeah, I guess that's possible. You see? So it's something that we can't really know, but you can feel into. Like, you know, why did I, you have to live something. How do you say, like, you have to trust that you've chosen something. for a reason to grow in a certain path,

to grow in a certain direction. Sure. Right. Certain whatever in a certain tradition. And it can be a country, a culture, language, all these things, you know. But I believe like the co-creative experience is like,

yeah, we've chosen to walk this path. Very interesting. Well, thanks again, man. This is a big fun. I need to go try some ayahuasca on that note. do it for sure um tell people where they can find your stuff your youtube your documentaries your books all that fun stuff yeah i mean i just keep it simple shanstone info my website okay i think that's like an easy hub for people to go and just link from there okay fantastic dude well thank you for

doing this man we should do it again sometime that's great my pleasure all right good everybody