Danny Jones Podcast - #418 - "It's All True" DEA Operative Breaks Down CIA's Secret Sinaloa Deal | Hector Berrellez

Episode Date: July 31, 2026

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Hector Berrellez is a retired DEA Special Agent. His signature case was investigating the 1985 abduction, torture, and murder of undercover DEA agent Enrique "Kiki" Camarena by Mexican drug cartels, where he uncovered a tangled web of CIA involvement in Mexican drug cartels. SPONSORS https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS The Last Narc book: https://a.co/d/01gWblpR FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Operation Leyenda & Kiki Camarana 06:25 - The golden age of Mexico's drug cartels 08:44 - Who killed Kiki Camarena & why 12:21 - CIA's involvement in cartel drug & weapon trafficking 18:33 - Kiki Camarena discovers cocaine trafficking 25:16 - CIA agent confesses to Kiki Camarena's murder 33:35 - CIA "Larry Harrison"'s REAL identity 38:10 - Felix Rodriguez aka 'Max Gomez' 44:38 - CIA vs. DEA 47:10 - Evidence Felix Rodriguez betrayed Kiki Camarena 56:42 - Recordings of Kiki Camarena's torture 01:01:19 - Kidnapping the doctor who tortured Camarena 01:10:30 - Felix Rodriguez today 01:13:05 - El Mayo Zambada was NOT kidnapped 01:23:50 - CIA & DEA collaboration with cartels 01:26:06 - China's silent war against Americans 01:33:22 - U.S. is more corrupt than Mexico 01:38:15 - How CIA infiltrated the DEA 01:45:47 - DEA director's response to Hector's claims 01:49:14 - Felix Rodriguez's alibi 01:53:25 - What CIA & DEA are doing in Mexico today 01:55:38 - Truth behind El Mencho killing 02:04:38 - "Running with the wolves" 02:09:58 - Cartels have biological weapons 02:13:11 - Cartels own our marijuana dispensaries 02:19:39 - Fentanyl wars in Mexico 02:25:08 - How to fix the cartel problem 02:27:12 - Incineration camps in Mexico 02:32:16 - Cartels are richer & more dangerous than ever 02:38:19 - "It's all true" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We're rolling, Hector. Let's do it. Pleasure to meet you, brother. Thank you for coming. You're welcome. I'm glad to be here. I'm a big fan of your movie, The Last NARC. I've watched it many times.

I've probably watched it like five or six years ago, something like that. And I recently had David Holdhausen who made the movie with you. And I've interviewed your good friend Felix Rodriguez on the show, confronted him about the Kiki Kamerana thing. And, you know, he had a whole bunch of. rebuttals against that from like that wasn't his name max comez he didn't have that name yet he was in miami he has an alibi all this stuff so this is this is a story i've been following forever so it's uh it's very exciting for me to have you on here so but for people that aren't familiar give like your

high level of 90 000 foot um background and how you got into all this stuff with the last narc and your background in the DEA and all that stuff well i'm a retired DEA special agent i did 27 years with the DEA. Well, assigned to the DEA, of course, because I spoke Spanish, I was assigned to a lot of a lot of international cases, mainly in Central and South America. I worked a lot in Mexico. The highlight, though, on my career was when I got appointed to supervise Operation Allende, the task force that was delegated investigative responsibilities on the

kidnapped, torture, and murder of my friend Enrique Kiki Kamarena. As I stated before, I was there for 27 years. I was, if not the highest decorated agent in the agency, I'm right at the top. I have been decorated with the U.S. Attorney General's Award for Heroism, given to me at the White House by Attorney General Ed Meese, the Administrators Award. which is a award you can get by the DEA. I also

was a recipient of the middle of valor by the Federal Agents Association. So I am very highly decorated. How was a, you would say, a shooting

star with the DEA that crashed? And the reason that I crashed was because I started uncovering how corrupt our government was and that our own government had a hand in the murder of Agent Camerina. I was told not to ever reveal what I had uncovered. And they used the fact that I had been ordered to kidnap a doctor who had administered drugs for Camerena. I was ordered to kidnap him, and I did. And because I kidnapped him,

the Mexican government issued a warrant for my arrest for violating their sovereignty and also for kidnapping. So when I was getting ready to retire, they reminded me that I had to keep my mouth shut because I didn't want to end up in a jail cell in Mexico for kidnapping the doctor. which he ordered me to do because I would be murdered. So be a good guy, enjoy your retirement.

However, months and word, keep your mouth shut. Who told you to keep your mouth shut? The DEA. The DEA. The DEA. The DEA, high administrators of the DEA. So when I left the DEA, I had the murder warrant still outstanding for me.

And I couldn't say anything because I was afraid that my own government was going to send me to Mexico where I was wanted. So for 13 years after retirement, I couldn't say anything. But once my warrant in Mexico had expired, I said, now's the time for me to come clean.

And that's when I basically wrote my book, the L'Aznarc, where I expose all this stuff. And, of course, from there, the Lasznarc documentary followed. I have no reason to lie. You can ask me anything you want. If I don't know the answer to what you ask me, Danny, I will tell you I don't know.

But if I know, I'm going to give you an answer and I'm going to back it up with facts and evidence. So let's go. So you met Kiki Kamerana in the 80s? Yes. Working where? He was stationed at the time at Fresno, California. That's before he went to Wadalajara.

I was stationed in L.A., and he was in Fresno, which is right north of L.A. And at what point did you ever go down to Mexico to work with him there? No, I never worked with him down there. I had been in Mexico many times in and out, conducting, you know, black operations, different operations. But I never worked with him. When I did come to have a lot of contact with Kiki, it was right before he got kids. He was already in Guadalajara. I was in LA, in the Riverside area, and I needed a couple of informants because I wanted

to go up on a certain group that were dealing a lot of heroin, and I needed a couple of informants to basically go before a magistrate to provide evidence that these guys were committing the heroin trafficking so that I could go up on a wiretap. Those two informants were Kikish informants. So basically when I was looking for those guys, I called Kiki, who was in O'Alahara, at L.A. and I said, Kiki, I need informants that are familiar with this operation, this illegal heroin trafficking operation or organization, better said. And he did. He provided me with those two informants that were very effective. And while I was talking to him back and forth is when he got kidnapped. What was your overall, like, what did your overall operation look like in the 80s? Like, like, high level, high level. Like, what were your objectives?

Like, what was your overall view of the drug war back then? And how did that change and evolve? Well, back then, the major cartel, and it wasn't even called a cartel, the major drug trafficking organization, operating out of Mexico was the Wadalajara drug cartel. And the leaders were Ernesto Fosecario,

Miguel Aguzez Gallardo, and Caro Quintero. Of course, there were others, but these were the three top leaders of the then-Wadalajara drug trafficking organization. They were our primary targets. Right, right.

There weren't as many factions as there are now. No, there was only one faction, and it's interesting, Danny, because the one that Randi, Guadalajara Cartel, Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo, ran it with an iron fist. Basically, you couldn't kill anybody without his permission. Right.

Number one. Number two, he didn't permit his men to just go out and bring up girls and assault citizens. That was not tolerated. If you did that, he would bring you in and have you murdered. Right. Yeah, that seemed to be like the golden age of cartels. Iron hand. There was respect back then.

He basically had everybody on the payroll as far as government officials. But it's changed because now they murder each other and they kill each other. And there was that wasn't happening in the 80s. There was only one cartel. They were the Al-Alajara cartel. And now it's evolved where you have all these different cartels with factions inside the cartels. And they're like, it's like this giant franchise organization that like you have all these little sub-franchises that are operating underneath them. and they're being constantly being recruited and fighting against each other and and no you know there's all kinds of

of violence happening all the time and it's also like perfectly intertwined with the government now and it seems like this thing that's so rude it's so deeply rooted in mexico it seems like it's almost impossible to get rid of um yes right so this kiki kamerana thing why why why do you think he was murdered and who do you believe murdered him? Okay. I found out that back in the 80s, in the early 80s, the Sandunista government, okay, over through the Anastasio Samosa regime in Nicaragua.

And the people that were left that supported Anastasia Samosa became the contras. They were contra, Daniel Ortega's communist regime that had taken over. The Contras went to our people and said, we need help. We need help in defeating the communist underneath the regime in Nicaragua. DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, CIA, went to Congress and said, we need to assist the Contras, fund them, train them,

and get involved in overthrowing Daniel Otega's communist regime in Nicaragua. Congress said, no, we can't. We just came out of Vietnam. We got our bus kicked. We cannot afford to get in another conflict. So no, we're not going to fund it. We're not going to provide any type of military assistance. Definitely not.

This is why the CIA decided, okay, they're not going to authorize it. We'll do it secretly. We'll do it anyway. Well, that might get in front of your face. We're doing the right thing here. So what do they do? They decide that they're going to get all these weapons that had been surplus from Vietnam,

retool them and get him to the contras. We're going to, basically, they're listed as destroyed after the Vietnam War, but they weren't. They were retooled and rearmed, and they were sending him to the contras from Mina, Arkansas. Back when Clinton was a current governor, they started training contours in Mina, Arkansas,

and they started bringing in, even back then, cocaine to support the war. And one of the main transporters at that time was Barry Seal. Now that operation, Danny got exposed, and they had to shut it down. So Felix Rodriguez was part of that operation in Mina, Arkansas, back in the early 80s. So they decide that they're going to relocate that operation, the Mexico, and they relocate that operation to Aralajara. And they put a CIA pilot's name as owner of this front,

storefront operation in Mexico. It's machinery international, machinetic, and so we're operating at the Al-Aalajara airport. But what they're doing is they're bringing the way, weapons there, surplus weapons from Vietnam, as I stated. They're retooling them and they're re-arming them. And they're trying to find a way to get this weapons secretly, clandestine, remember, because this was done against

Congress's suggestions and orders. So they had to do it secretly. So they decide that they're gonna go to the Mexican government and get their assistance in getting these weapons from Mexico now to the contrast in Nicaragua. The Mexican government at that juncture advised the CIA and our DIA and our NSA, Oliver Norton, them, we can't do it because we don't want to be seen by other South American countries as violating their sovereignty.

We're going to have to do this very secretly. And the only way that we can do it is by joining forces with the cartels who already have secret airstripes and secret ways are moving drugs around. So then government, Secretary of Government, Manuel Bartlett Diaz, who just, by the way, ran to Spain from Mexico just two or three weeks ago.

Really? Yes. Manuel Barley Diaz, who was the Secretary of Government, who had been postulated by President of La Madrid to be the next president of Mexico. He is the one that tells

our people, our CIA and Secret Service folks. Listen, we need to marry you guys with the cartels. If you guys work with the cartels, the cartel will help you. Use their secret infrastructure to move the weapons south to the countries. So there was a meeting held by Phelis Rodriguez, CIA operative. I understand Oliver North and others who was in with the NSC, National Security Council, with the cartels. a meeting that was brokered by Manuel Barna Diaz,

secretary of government then, who was trying to please the United States, because remember, he was going to be the next president of Mexico. So they had this meeting, and they agree that, okay, we're going to use the, what are the hard cartels, infrastructure, to move the weapons to the countries. So they did that. So they opened up a training camp, in a ranch in Veracruz called Rancho La Vibora,

a ranch owned by Rafael Caro Quintero. They opened up operations there. Wheed? Was that? Growing weed? Like a weed ranch? No. Yeah, well, it was a ranch that you owned.

Yeah. But the reason, I don't know if there was weeded there, I really don't know. The reason they chose the CIA wanted to use that ranch, because it had a very long air strip, were you as military planes, huge Chicago planes, good land. Okay. I was under the impression, and I could be mistaken here,

that he made, like, a lot of money off this ranch. Like, I think Felix told me that Carl Contrero made like a billion dollars a year. No, he's talking to about Rancho Verra Cruz, which we'll talk about later. That's another ranch. This is just a ranch that we're using to basically fly in Coke and fly weapons south. Okay, go ahead.

So as they become involved in, in, in, in, with the cartel, as far as getting their weapons from that ranch flown directly to Ili Pango, El Salvador, where they were given to the Contras. It was a straight flight from Rancho Veracruz, Laviwara, to Ili Pango, El Salvador, for the weapons to go south. But the CIA then finds out how much money is being made on cocaine trafficking. So what do they do? They decide using Barry Seal and other pilots.

to fly cocaine north. They learned about it? Well, they learned as they became part of the... During this process is when they learned. Yeah, they first got together with the... What a hard cartel to use their secret facilities to export weapons. But as they become involved with them,

they see all the money. They started hanging out, smoking cigars together, rubbing shoulders with these guys, seeing how everything works. They see how much money can be generated from cocaine sales or drug sales. So they decide, They're going to fund it, no more, in which I was told by them, we did it for a good reason. We did it to basically combat communism in South America.

So they become involved in bringing in cocaine, and they're bringing the cocaine into the United States, where it is delivered to Danilo Blanone, a contra colonel, and Edward Meneses, another colonel in the contra movement, out of San Francisco. So now you have the needleblendone, who's a contra receiving a lot of cocaine in L.A., and I investigated this, so I know all about the needleblendone. And the needle blendone is using freeway Ricky Ross to basically supply the bloods and the cribs

with all the cocaine needed. In the process, they invent correct cocaine and henceforth we have the crack cocaine of the 80s where all these babies were being born addicted to cocaine because there was so much crack cocaine that it was very cheap to get and it was a good poor man's high. So they inundated all central Los Angeles

with cheap crack cocaine and of course Freeway Ricky Ross is who he's supplying who the bloods and the grips or then expredited to New York, to Chicago, and all over the place. Major operation. So what you have now is you have our intelligence agency bringing in cocaine to support an unauthorized war by Congress. And they had to keep it really secret.

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He finds out that a lot of cocaine is being flown into Rancho Vibura in Veracruz. Kiki decides he's going to open up an investigation on Rancho, Veracruz, and all the cocaine trafficking. Okay, so he opens up the investigation. Or he starts talking about opening up the investigation. This is a separate ranch. This is not a buffalo yet. Okay. This is after Buffalo.

Buffalo had already gone down. But anyway, so Kemerana. goes to his boss who is also working for the CIA. Kimei Kerkendalini says, I'm going to open up an investigation because a lot of cocaine is being flown into Veracruz. So he opens up the investigation, and it's taking a while for him to find out basically what's going on.

But all of a sudden in February, he's abducted, kidnapped, tortured, and murdered. prior to this, Kiki had basically been blamed, been blamed for the destruction of Rancho Buffalo were 10,000 tons of cocaine. The biggest seizure in the history of alcohol, cocaine, marijuana, was destroyed. Now, here's what's important, and people should know. Camerena was not the case agent and was not really involved in Rancho Buffalo, even though he was blamed for it.

What had happened was Carl Quintero had found a way to grow seedless marijuana sinceemia marijuana. And him and Ernest Fonseca had basically planted a lot of hectares of this, and semi-a-marijuana. And here's the thing. They were recruiting people from small dealers,

to come work as agricultural guys. They were recruited to go work in the fields. But once they recruited them and got him to Rancho Ravre Ranch, they were enslaved. They were not paid. They were made to work as slaves. Okay, so we have this major,

and this is before Kiki was involved in all this stuff. They were talking about Rancho Villabura and Veracruz. This is another ranch. This is a buffalo chihuahua. So we ended up, and I'm going to first of all explain how we found out about the ranch, the buffalo ranch. One of the workers escaped, and he went to the DA office in Hermosillo, Sonora, Mexico, and he said, hey,

there's a major plantation over here. I just escaped. They're recruiting us to work as field workers, and they're making us slaves. They don't pay us and everything else. And those that tried to escape are murdered. So I want to report that. So DEA, Hermosillo, Nahuahara, now we're kicking was that,

opens up an investigation. They try to go over there and photograph the fields or investigate it, but every road leading into the Buffalo Ranch was highly protected by Mexican Army soldiers. They couldn't get in. So they drive up to a mountain, and from the mountain they could see down, and they see airplanes circling waiting to land at Rancho Bravo to get loaded. it up with marijuana. They call Mexico City and they said, hey, we need help.

There's a major operation down here, and we need the assistance of Mexico City, the federal agents, to come in and help us raid this place. They stungwalled it for about five days, so they could basically get everybody out of there. So when they hit it, they ended up seizing over 10,000 tons of marijuana. But what was never really said in the news, they released over 7,000 campesinos that they had enslaved in there. 7,000. Over 7,000.

Good Lord. And that's a fact, documented fact by the A. That's a lot of people. Of course, yeah. 7,000 people, can you imagine how big the fields were? That's insanity. It's insanity. Okay, so what happens is, okay, so Carro can

They were always upset and they basically say that Kiki was behind this thing. That Kiki would be the one that basically caused the loss of these big amounts, tons of tons of marijuana. Kiki wasn't involved. He was not in the raid of Buffalo. The only participation that Kiki had was that they needed, they, they, they, they, the Hermosio DEA office needed. Somebody to fly over and photograph the fields. And the only informant pilot that we had was Alfredo Zabala,

who worked for Kiki, Al-A-A-Lahara. So Hermos COD-EA calls Kiki, Kamarina and says, Kiki, we need to borrow your pilot. We need him to fly over these fields over here and photograph them as evidence so we can get Mexico City to react. Savala alone, not with Kiki in the plane, flies over and photographs the flight.

fields in Rangelo Ranch in Chihuahua and he flies back to O'Dalajara, gives a film to Camarena who then flies it to Mexico City, they develop it, and there's the evidence of this massive marijuana ranch in Chihuahua, Bravo Ranch. That was the total extent of Kiki's involvement, which is very minimal involvement in the fields that you were referring to the great fields. Now, Rancho Vibora is another ranch. It's not a big ranch. As far as I know, there was no drugs being grown there or anything, but it was being used

as a trampoline, basically by the CIA and the traffic was to send weapon south and place would land loaded with cocaine. Berry Seal landed on there numerous times with a fat lady with tons of cocaine. Now you're going to ask me, and I want you to ask me, Hector, how do you know all this? How do you know all this information? Yeah, how do you know? I know it because I flipped a CIA agent, Larry Harrison.

I flipped him. He became my source of information. How the hell did you do that? Basically, I threatened to kidnap him. You kidnapped him? I threatened to kidnapping. Oh, you threatened to kidnap him. Okay.

When I found out that the DFS had been involved in Kiki's abduction, because they were. The DFS? Director of Federal Security. DFS. Direction Federal de Securidad in Spanish. Okay. I needed to recruit somebody within the DFS to give me information of who was involved in And what were the agents that actually picked up Camerina in front of our consulate?

So I reached out to some of my sources and they said, well, there's a gringo that work for DFS. I go, what? There's a white guy that works for DFS. He's known as Torre Blanca. That's his name, Torre Blanca? No, that's his nickname because he's a very tall gringo. And Torre means tower and white. White Tower in Spanish.

And he works for the DFS. That's strange. I said, okay, you know him? I, my source of it here in L.A. You know this guy? He says, yes, I know him. Flight over Al-Ara and put him on the phone with me. I want to talk to this guy.

I want to know what he knows about DFSH is being involved in kidnapping Kiki Kamerana. Just okay, I'll do that. I know him. I'll go. I'll go get him on the phone with you. So he flies toward Alahara, and he puts Larry Harrison on the phone with me.

And I said, Mr. Harrison, this is his first name, Larry? Larry Lawrence Harrison. And that's not his real name, by the way. That's the CIA name. Okay. So I said, Larry, I need to talk to you. I understand you work for the DFS. And he says, yes, I do.

Well, I need for you to talk to me. I want to talk to you about that camera in a murder case. And he says, Hector, he says, I'm not going to talk to you. I'm not cooperating with you. Go if yourself.

And I said, oh, if myself? He says, yeah. Okay. You know what happened to that doctor that was involved in Kiki's murder? Dr. Mershan, did I kidnap? He said, yeah? Well, I'm kidnapping your white ass.

I'm coming after you. He said, you can't kidnap me. And I said, you watch. I'm coming after you. I'm going to have you white ass. kidnap. I'll do it. He hung up on me. And I told her to get him back on the phone and it wouldn't come back on the phone. So three days later, he calls me. He says, hey, Hector, he says, I saw you on TV and I know you have a lot of power over there with the DEA. And I says, I do. He said,

you don't know what you're getting yourself into, but he said, you know what? I'll talk to you. he says you'll talk to me he says yeah fly me into l a la but nobody must know that i'm coming nobody can you promise me that i said i'll send one of our private jets to pick you up i don't need to bring you in d a's got private jets wow we have been ds private jets of course so he said okay i know the budget was a stout yeah so anyway we were seized more than our budget we have plenty of money but anyway he flies into l-a And I go to meet him at a hotel where I had made accommodations for him. And I said, Larry, I said, what do you know about Kiki's murder?

And he said, everything. I know everything. I said, he said, I said, how did you get a job with the DFS with Mexico's top intelligence agency like our CIA? He said, are you stupid? I said, don't insult me like that, dude. He said, do you think any white guy can just walk in and get a job in any, in any country for any intelligence agency? I was placed there by the CIA. I am an employee of the CIA.

That's why it was important that nobody knew that I came to talk to you. I almost fell out of my chair. Was that the first time you'd ever learn? I said, you want to know who's responsible for Kikish murder? we are. We killed him. He said this to you. Yes. We killed him. And we killed him because he was about to expose Rancho Veracruz

where we're training contras. And we're not only training contras there. We are also bringing in cocaine to there, which we're selling, to support an unauthorized war in Nicaragua. And of course, we're also sending weapons, which we are retooling out of what I'llahara. There's a contrast. I work for Ismail Felix Rodriguez. He's my control agent with the CIA. He said this to you.

Yes. The DEA knows all of this. This is at the beginning of my investigation. Where's this guy right now? He's just died two years ago. He just died. You're not allowed to say as a real name. Do you even know his real name?

Yes. I'm going to tell you how I found out. So anyway, he says, we are training troops. there. It's a contract, we have a contra training camp there. And Hector, ask me how I know this? And I go, how do you

know this? I've been there. I was the one that set up all the towers for ground-to-air communications at Rancho Veracruz. And I saw how we're training the contras there. And he throws names out like, Colonel Steel was there, Colonel

Petraeus was there, training contras. This is before, later that they became CIA director. Oh, yeah, for sure. And he tells me all this stuff. And he says, now, he says, what are we going to do now? What are you going to do?

See, you're way over your head, dude. You're way over your head. I don't know what you're going to do with this investigation. But I'm telling you, I am CIA. I was there. Kiki, I wasn't there when they picked up Kiki. Kiki was picked up because he basically was going to expose Rensual Vibora in Veracruz,

which had to be kept quiet because the Kerry Commission was already investigating us for providing missiles to Iran. Iran contra? I said, whoa, and this could not be exposed. Wow. And he says, we're up to our country. our ass is involved in this thing. And it's a major cover of. And I'm telling you, Dan,

I am dead very serious about this. This is all true. You can attack me and act. Well, people say this, I don't care. I have the answers for you. But this is an anonymous source. That's the problem with all this. Absolutely.

So this is all your testimony. Yes. We're getting ready to go to trial because we are arrested some folks behind Rubens doing on a big, get his murder. Wait, wait,

wait, you're getting ready to go to trial. Well, I'm jumping ahead because you want to you, well,

let me, let me find out, you asked me who he really was. Yeah. Okay. You want to know who Larry Harrison

really was, because you asked me, well, that is a real name? No, it wasn't. That was a name that was given to him

by the CIA. Mm-hmm. When I made Larry a source, every source that we recruit, we fingerprinted. If you want to be an informant for DEA, okay, fine.

You want to go on DEA payroll as a contract worker and informant or what have you with DEA. We have to take your fingerprints. So this guy continued to work for you as a source. Yes. So we're getting ready to go to one of the trials. So he's going to be ready to testify. I don't remember what trial. But anyway, so the U.S. attorney in charge of the case is Larry.

The first question I'm going to ask you when you take the stand is, is your name Lawrence Victor Harrison? what are you going to answer? He says, I don't know what to answer. He says, what do you mean you know what to answer? Are you Larry Harrison or not? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's funny. He says, well, I am, but I also have another identity. And he says, Hector, did you take his guy's fingerprints?

And I says, yes. Did you get a match for his fingerprints in his name through NCIC? National Crime Information Center? Yes, I did. Lawrence, what's your problem, dude? He said, I don't have a problem. My real name is Gregory, George Marshall Davis. That's my real name.

H. Lawrence Harris says, is my CIA name. It stopped right here. The U.S. Attorney says, go run his fingerprints against under this other name. George Marston. Marshall Davis. So I ran him and it comes back that he has two identities, two full identities through NCIC and all of our databases. So I come back to the U.S. attorney and I said, look, this guy is a true CIA guy. The CIA has changed his identity to Victor Lawrence Harrison, but he was born George Marshall Davis in Pasadena, California. So, okay, I guess I guess I'm

I won't ask you who you are, understand. We're not to go through all this explanation. Yeah. So anyway, the CIA would catch wind of it. He said it was Victor Lawrence Harrison, which he was Victor Lawrence Harrison, but he just said to identities. Right. Now, wouldn't the CIA catch wind of him doing this and stop it? Like, how could he get away with, with...

I had him under protection. I had him with the CIA couldn't get him anymore. How so? I had him hidden in a halfway house and nobody knew where he was. So you basically got this guy to defect from the CIA? Yes. A lot of people don't know this. That's wild. That's pretty wild. Isn't it wild?

A DEA guy literally gets an active CIA operator in Mexico to defect from the CIA to another U.S. agency. Right. Not a story you hear every day. With him on payroll and every day. That's why a lot of people, if you ask Danny, other DEA agents, that is what Hector says or what comes out in that, documentary, the last dark, is that true?

DEA guys say, no, it's not true. We don't do stuff like that. They're not lying. They don't know about it. So if you don't know about something, you're going to say, it's not real to me.

My DEA experience was not everybody's DA experience. Like we have units that are very secretive, like the CIA, and one unit doesn't know what the other unit is doing. So if you go ask another D-A agent, do we kidnap people? Oh, no, that's against the law. We don't kidnap people. He's not lying.

He's been told we don't kidnap people. He doesn't know that we do. And that's why a lot of agents are asked, what about a hatred to say it's about the CIA? I don't believe that. They don't believe that because they don't know it and they never lived it, Danny. So when he told you all this stuff, and he explained to you what the CIA was doing, and that he worked for Felix, or Felix was his handler, you said, something like that? Yes.

Did you ever try to find Felix? Yes. Well, at the time, he didn't tell me Felix's real name. Felix always went, like Larry Harrison by Max Gomez. Max Gomez, right. And he could say whatever he wants, Felix and say whatever he wants. That was his name, like Victor Harris. Lawrence said Larry Harrison.

That's not his real name. When I interviewed Felix about two years ago, he said that he was given the name Max Gomez like two. He said, I think verbatim, the words he used was he said, it was like two or three months after Kiki died is when he got the Max Gomez thing he said. Not true. Not true.

Not true. As a matter of fact, he claims not to have worked out of Guadalajara. He what? Thelis Rodriguez claims he was never assigned or worked Ottawa Alahara. There's a CIA pilot by the name of Terry Reed who worked under Phyllis Rodriguez,

Ottawa, Alahara. They were the ones that set up as I stated before, machinery international. Under Terry Reed's name, it was a storefront. And while there, he was operating with Phelis Rodriguez,

sending the weapon south and all that, that I stated before. But Danny, Terry Reid finds out that Rodriguez is shipping containers with the American seal under his company name. He finds out he hadn't been told. So he goes and checks the containers and they're full of cocaine. With the American seal, so when they cross into the United States, customs will not

search it. Terry Reid confronts Rodriguez and says, what are we doing here? I'm not a drug dealer. Why are you shipping containers with a cocaine

under my company name with the American seal? And he says, cool off, dude. Be cool. We're doing it for the good of America. Just keep quiet. Don't say nothing.

And Terry Reid decides he's not going to be involved in this. So he actually gets his wife and his family, flees out of Mexico, and comes back to the United States, and basically quits the CIA, and later they arrest him on false insurance charges. Terry Reid? Jeremy was arrested. He went to trial and he was acquitted. But he wrote a book that Rodriguez doesn't like to be remembered about. The book is called Compromised.

and it's all the story of how he was working under Frater's Rodriguez and how Rodriguez was importing tons of cocaine See, I would like to sit down and be confronted with Rodriguez about all this stuff That would be a wild time He denies it and I would say Well, did you work for

Did you work for Terry Reed Or with Terry Reid and Wadalara? You said you'd never been to Wadalara Were you there or not Is Terry Reid lying in this book that he wrote? He's not lying, he's still alive by the way Yeah, well, the thing is, if he did do this stuff, he legally could not admit it, right? If he admitted it, he would be a deep shit.

Unfortunately, not going to admit it. And, you know, also, unfortunately, that is kind of like the point of the CIA. It's like to commit crimes for the organization running the country to survive and to make more money and the problem is the corruption, the corrupt nature of it and how it's spied on a Let me explain here what you just basically stated. It's true. The CIA, a lot of people don't know this, don't work under U.S. constitutional law. They're not a law enforcement agency. Their operations, according to our Constitution, should only be foreign. They should only be involved in foreign operations, but yet they've got their hands in everything here in our country. Number one. Number two, I was brought in and talked about the CIA. And they told me that, listen, Hector, what we did, you have to understand what the good of our country. We did it to fight off communism, which is going to start spreading in South America. We did it for the good of our national security.

We do not see it as doing anything wrong. If we have to go to bed with a devil To protect our national security, we will So basically I was told Can you hear my phone? No I'm hearing Oh, you got a Bluetooth in your ear?

Oh, it is. Okay. And we take a little break here so I can go to it. Yeah, go grab your phone. We'll be right back. So Stephen just found this article That says you and Wayne Schmidt There's a report said the CIA

used Mexico's DFS as a cover in case questions arose about who was running the training operation. Harrison also said that representatives of the DFS, which was also a front for a training camp, were in fact colluding with major drug lords to ensure the flow of narcotics through Mexico to the United States. And who is this guy in this photo? Scroll down. That's Ernesto Fusica Carrillo that I would talk about. Oh, okay. Okay.

Wow. What were we just talking about? But that report was one that was sneaked out. I wrote a lot of other reports that were kept secret by the DE after that they put top secret on them and we could take it. In other words, this is the only one that actually got leaked out. Right. Yeah. So the major difference between like what the DEA is doing and the CIA is doing is that the DEA, they're like, you know, you guys are like cops, right?

And the CIA, these guys are like clandestine operatives trying to weasel their way through organized crime to get shit done. Yes. That's distinctly put, that's correct. Right. They're trying to advance the ambitions of the United States internationally to basically enrich the people that are in charge, right? Right. And you guys are, you guys are just trying to fight bad guys and stop drugs, right? So there's a, there's a built-in rivalry there.

There's a clash. There's a conflict of interest. Yes, there is. And so when they told you this, that this was real, that this is what's happening. Like, we're working with these people and we're doing this stuff. Like, how did you react? And how did that, did you immediately, did you continue? Well, basically, my answer to the person that was a little close to them.

guy that was talking to me or CIA high up officer, what my answer to him was, you know, everybody has a reason as to why they commit the crime. I talked to bank robbers and said, well, I robbed the bank because my mom had cancer and no insurance and needed the money. Your excuse in being involved in murders and drug trafficking is, okay, we need to do it for the good of our national security, it doesn't basically negate that you have committing crimes. And he said, yeah, but we're not a law enforcement agency. We don't care. We do what it takes to protect the national security of our country and to protect our citizens.

And if we have to go to bed with a damn devil, we will. That's what they told me. And you need to understand that they become a team player and cut your criticism of us and exposing us as criminals. We do what we have to do, and we're at a higher, basically, level than you guys are. Drug trafficking is a problem, but our national security is a greater problem when it's at risk. So we got to do what we got to do. And you have to understand this, they told me.

So go retire, enjoy your retirement and keep your mush up. That's what I was told. So whose decision was it to kidnap Kiki? And do you think it was their intention to actually kill him? or do you think it was an accident? From what my sources have stated, it was, as far as their level of involvement, it was Phyllis Rodriguez.

It was his decision. Not. He was basically acting under orders of other people above him, obviously. But at my informant or my witness's level, they felt that Rodriguez was in charge of the whole thing. Mm-hmm. Now. And you, okay, continue, sorry.

Now, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, they came in perspective here. It. It first did they know basically where Rodriguez worked. How did they come to know that Rodriguez was CIA? Mm-hmm. The first witness that came in, it first told me that there was a Cuban involved in interrogating

Kiki. And I asked him, who is this Cuban? And how do you know he's Cuban? And he said, because the accent, it was either Puerto Rican or Cuban, and his name is Fittal, Max Gomez. Okay?

Max Gomez, I write it down. Running through every database I can find, nothing comes up. Six months later, I- Who specifically told you that, by the way? Huh? Who specifically told you that? my first witness that had basically been involved in the meetings

where they tortured and murdered Camarena. I asked him who interrogated Camarena again. He stated this Cuban or Puerto Rican guy, but he wasn't Mexican. I know because of the accent. What was his name? He said, Max Gomez. Max Gomez.

All right. Make note. Ran that name through all of our databases. Nothing comes up. Six months later, a second, I recruit a second witness that was at the scene where Camarena was tortured, interrogated, and murdered. Another one of the bodyguards that was there. And I asked him again, who interrogated Camarena? And he says, well, Cardo Quintetto did, this is this, and there was a Cuban guy.

And what was his name? Max Gomez. Run him again. Nothing comes up. a year and a half later a third witness is recruited that was there this is a higher-up

witness who was in charge of Ernesto Fonseca's security detail and we brought him in and I said okay you were there who interrogated Camarena and what was Camarena asked by the interrogators and of course he names of all these

other people that interrogated Cameron which were already knew carotintero Cochiloco whatever or Felix Gallardo or whatever. But he says, but there was also a Cuban guy. A Cuban guy. And he says, yes, a Cuban guy. What was his name?

He said, they called him Max Gomez, but that wasn't his real name. I talked to this guy a lot because he used to supply weapons to us. His name is Felix Rodriguez, and he's a CIA operative. Security guy said this. And I go, what's his name?

Ismail, Felix, Rodriguez, CIA operative. And what else do you know about him? I know he was in Vietnam. He told me he was in Operation Phoenix in Vietnam. And what else do you know about this guy? How many times did you see him? He said, many times. He would always fly in with weapons.

And then we would order to go pick up the weapons at the airport. And he would meet with Vonseca. and Vonseca would pay him for the weapons. He says, I know him birth very well. I know his name is Phyllis Rodriguez. He used to tell me stories about it when he was in Vietnam. I said, whoa. I don't know at the time who Phyllis Rodriguez is.

He's an unknown to me. I have nothing against him. I run his name. Boom. This is after he, yeah, this was way after Che Guevar, after he captured Che Guevara. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Absolutely. And so anyway. I said, wow, when I found out who this guy is. So then I go back to Larry Harrison. Larry, tell me about Ismail Philly Rodriguez. And I'm going to tell you something that has never been said on camera before. Larry Harrison tells me he's a CIA guy that I reported to when I was in Mexico. And he's a CIA guy that planted a bomb at when they killed those American

reporters they blew up with trying to kill Comandte Cero. I'm trying to remember the place right now. I said, what? It's called a Christic something or other. Anyway, I'll remember the name. A bomb that Rodriguez placed where they killed like six or seven American journalists. Where was this? In Costa Rica.

In Costa Rica. Yeah. They were trying to kill Comatante Cero because he had gone sideways. Try to find that, Steve. Campanante Cero is the name. What year are we talking? We're talking to 80. The late 70s, 4080s.

The Lepenka bombing? That one. Lepenka bombing was a bomb attack carried out on May 30th, 1984, in a remote outpost in La Panka. That's it. On the Nicaraguan side of the border with Costa Rica along the San Juan River, it occurred during a press conference convened and conducted by Eden Pastora,

who at the time was the leader of the contra-guerilla group fighting against the ruling San Denaista's regime in Nicaragua. Pestora, the presumed target of the attack, survived the bombing, but seven other people were killed, including three journalists and several others who were severely injured. The bombing was carried out by an operative posting as a news photographer and is considered a serious violation of journalistic neutrality during the armed conflict, like the assassination in 2001 of the Afghan leader. Ahmed Massoud by Al-Qaeda agents posing as international journalists. Wow. Okay, in the years after the event, some journalists and activists as well as Costa Rican judiciary pointed to the United States government's CIA, which was seeking to direct the contra insurgency against the leftist San Dinoisa regime in Nicaragua as responsible for the bombing.

However, in 1993, the man who had placed the bomb and who had attended the press conference under a false identity as a Danish photographer named Per. anchor Hansen was revealed to have been an Argentine leftist whose real name was Vital Roberto. Okay, so they're saying it's somebody else, but they did believe it was a CIA guy who did it. But they're coming up with a different story that it was a Swedish photographer. So your guy from the CIA that you flipped, when you asked him who Felix Rodriguez was, he said that he was the guy who is his handler and who was the one who were responsible for placing this bomb. He was involved in it. He didn't say he was involved in the plenion of a bomb.

He was involved in it. Right. He told me that. That's Harrison told me about that. I never knew about that incident. Right. When I interrogated Harrison. Okay.

That's wild. So as you can see, where this is hitting. So I'm like, whoa. Mm-hmm. So Harrison also tells me about how, you know, Rodriguez was involved also in in facilitating the escape of, another CIA operative by the name of Posades Corrilles. And the human, Los Aless, according to Harrison,

planted the bomb of the Cuban fencing team that when it left Venezuela, it blew up in the air. Well, Rodriguez escaped, and Posades Carrillas, forget his first name right now, was arrested in Venezuela for placing the bomb on that Cuban plane in which all the Cuban fencing team, Olympic fencing team perished. Harrison, according to him, Rodriguez was, him and Oliver North were involved in helping Posada Scoridis escape prison in Venezuela for planting the bomb on that Cuban

plane. Wow. He said, all of Nortos involved in that along with Felix Rodriguez. These are things that I have the accusations. These are things that I've never said before on camera. I mean, I'm going back to Larry Harrison, the things that he devolves to me. And I mean, this guy was CIA. Was there any like hard evidence, like photographs or video of the torture of Kiki or any

recordings, audio, anything? Yes, there were recordings. The whole torture thing was recorded. You get your hands on that? I had the recordings. I listened to them. How did you get them? We got them from supposedly from the CIA.

But they were highly redacted. The CIA gave them to you? Well, some of them, and some of them, we got other ways. Okay. We had five, we had four, no, five recordings with transcripts. But what was interesting is that we had a transcript for which the CIA did not give us a recording. When I got the transcript and I read it, I went back to the CIA and I said, I need a tape of that copy of the actual recording and they wouldn't give it to us.

Yeah. We never got it. So like how much farther did you push this? Well, the situation with the DEA was this. is that, okay, now let's go back to the Camarena case and how I got involved if we can, Danny, please. So I get assigned to, first of all, I get sent, in 1987 I get sent to Mexico

with full orders to arrest or eliminate those that were involved in Camerator's murder or supposedly suspected of being involved in Camerana's murder. I have orders to try to arrest, of course, Ernest Foseca Carrillo, Michael Quintero, Miggins Felix Gallardo, El Azul, Cochiloco, and a list of, get a list of people that I'm supposed to target. And my orders are arrest them or eliminate them. We make things just for college life, like the Rosenmando blackout curtains in gray.

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Sinabaoa. Jesus. That's the shootout that's alluded to in the last NARC, the longest shooter in the history of DEA. I try to go after these guys and I even was ordered to kidnap other folks, which I did. And total secret. finally Phyllis Gallardo gets fed up with me and he decides

he's going to have me murder now and CIA and DEA intercepted a lot of calls where Gallardo was asking that I get picked up and they tried to pick me up one time but I wasn't with my family

they almost picked up my daughter and wife in Massachusetts in the law they chased them and they were able to run to a house owned by some Americans that were friends of ours and they shipped them out.

But I stayed back in Mexico. Finally, they said, Hector, you're going to need to get out. They're really looking to kill you. The cartels are looking to kill you. Felix Gallardo and for the rest of the second, they want you. So that's when they evacuated me out of Mexico for my own safety.

After being evacuated out of Mexico, that's when I get a call that they want me to run the Enrique Camerena murdering investigation. And that's how I become supervisor of operation and the yenda. After reporting into LA and into that position, I am flown back to Washington where I sit there face to face with the administrator and basically ask me what I need to solve this case because they didn't have any witnesses. And I told them I'm going to get a huge informant budget. I'm I'm going to need the cooperation of immigration.

And I'm going to need Spanish-speaking agents that have experience working in Mexico. You have had all these people assigned to this investigation, New Yorkers and everything else. They don't speak Spanish. That's why they've got nowhere. Where I need people that have worked in Mexico, they know the culture, know the corruption. He said, you got it. Then he said, I want you to conduct an extraterritorial rendition. And I said, what is that?

That's what I said. I didn't know. I said, what is that? He said, I kidnapped. And can you do that? And I said, yes. He said, what would it cost to get a suspect kidnapped? I said, it all depends when you want me to kidnap.

If you want me to kidnap the president of Mexico, I said, it's going to be expensive. He started laughing. He said, no, no, no, no. He said, we'd like for you to kidnap the doctor that injected drugs and tortured Camerena. He says, you know who he said, you know who he said. he is and I says I don't know him but I know him my name he said can you get him kidnapped or can you kidnap him and I said yes who is this specifically the director of the DA Jack lawn okay who denies this by the okay me denies it of course and I said I said he said to me he says well

what would it cost to kidnap him I said not much I said what is it not much Go to Romania, $250,000, I can get it done. He says, really? And I says, yes. How soon can you get him done? I said a week or two. He says, you can do that that fast. Yes.

How are you going to do it? Very simple. I know all the commandantes and all the generals in Mexico. I work with them. Well, a lot of them. And we'll hire them to kidnap the doctorate. Like the traffickers hire them to work for them. they're like prostitutes they work for money they don't know what side they're on

he says do it i said okay so that's how i did it i contacted uh my commandante made him in Vegas bought him dinner bought him a prostitute and told him I said how would you like to make $250,000 and he said I'm not to what do I what I have to do kidnap this doctor for me he said you got it I'll do it just like that that easy and we did it however Were you there when they kidnapped him? No, I was there to receive him. Right. No, he did it all.

They brought him to. They brought him to you. We wanted to camouflage it like it was done by concerned Mexicans that wanted to get rid of drug dealers. That's what we were going to put out on the news. Well, we weren't involved. They, they, they did it and they kicked him over the fence to us or whatever. But in this case, it wasn't kicked over the fence. They went and arrested him at his clinic.

He was a gynecologist. A gynaecologist, female doctor. A gynaecologist, yeah. And so they took him to the airport. They had hired a pilot. We had hired a pilot. And they flew him to El Paso. The plane landed.

They never shut their engines off. They threw him off in the tarmac, and I ran up and arrested him. Dr. Alvarez-Machin. After we went to court and it was exposed to the world that the DEA and I, specifically me, had kidnapped the doctor. the Mexican government immediately issued a warrant for my arrest, which I had for 20 years in Mexico.

When did that expire? What's that? How long ago did that expire? 20 years. How long ago did it expire? Oh, it's been a while now. 2013, I believe. So when they kidnapped team,

when they rendered this guy, this doctor out of Mexico, and they threw him on a plane, they brought him to El Paso, right? And then you grabbed him and what was the end you intended I assume you interrogated him. Yes. How did that go? What was that like? He cooperated.

He said, yeah. He gave me a written statement that he was involved. But he, of course, protected himself. He said, yeah, I was called to go check on this patient. And I checked him. And he was in bad shape. And I told Fonseca and Carter Quintero that if we didn't get him to the hospital, he was going to die. and Fonseca says, get the ambulance and get him to a hospital.

Fonseca wanted to save him, and Carter Quintero opposed it. So they had an argument, and this was corroborated by four people, my shine and my three witnesses. There was an argument between Fonseca and Carter Quintero where Fonseca said, we got to take him to hospital, this guy's going to die. And Caro Quintero allegedly answered, we don't care they want him dead. He cannot be taken to a hospital.

He had been blindfolded and they had already taken the blindfolds off. And Fonseca got so upset. He says, you idiot, they're going to blame us. And he slapped Gano Quintero so hard, knocked him off of his feet. He says, you idiot, we're going to get blamed for this. And the orders are further up. Further up, meaning the government of Mexico, Rodriguez and everybody else. And Barlet-Diaz said that he should be let to die.

Wow. So I'm taking orders from higher people than you, Mr. Fonseca. And that's why Fonseca got mad. Oh, now you're going to be like taking order for somebody else, and that's when he slapped him. And it was because they had taken his blindfold up. I mean, we've had already, like I said, three witnesses that saw this. Fonseca won their safety case.

A lot of people don't know that. Because he knew it was going to be a major problem. And he told, Conno, Viterro, we are going to be blamed for this murder, you dummy he cannot die and he said we can't expose him anymore he's seen us already the blinds were off a day ago right um and then something recently just happened with caro cantero right like a year ago well caro quintero has been in and out of prisons in Mexico um he was just re-arrested again about a year and a half ago and about two months or so ago

he, along with 19 others or 18 other Mexican cartel guys, were not extradited to the U.S. They were expelled, expelled to the United States, and he is being held in New York City as we speak and charged with CCE, continual criminal enterprise charges, which carry a life term. And he's also been charged with a violation of RICO statutes.

So he has not been brought to the Central District of California and L.A. where the warrant for capital murder is still outstanding force. He's involved in the involvement of killed in Erika Cameron. He has a warrant in L.A. for capital murder for Cameron. Yes, he does. And he was, so what is the difference? What does that mean that he was not extradited, but he was expelled? Okay.

When you're extradited, there's an agreement. that you'll be extradited on certain conditions. And one of the conditions that Mexico always places is, well, extradit him if you don't give him the death penalty, because Mexico does not believe in the death penalty. So therefore, they are charging him with CCE, which does not carry a death penalty sentence. Neither does RICO.

So they were expelled, and because Caroleontera was expelled, and not extradited, that agreement doesn't exist. He can be tried for Kiki's murder, and he can definitely be sentenced to death. But you don't think that's going to happen? I am very perplexed as to why they were taken to New York under his lesser charges and not bring him,

excuse me, to Los Angeles to face the capital murder charges. Yeah. I suspect that maybe they're going to try to hide this and not bring him to trial on the Kiki Kamaerana murder charges because all this information that came out in the last NARC and all this information that I'm giving you about U.S. involvement in Kiki's murder will probably come out.

So I suspect that they're trying to keep this all under the carpet, tell us, okay, he's been convicted, He's getting a life term. We're done with him. And forget the murder charge. I suspect that. They're going to try to do that. That does seem likely because they wouldn't want him to open his mouth.

They wouldn't want any kind of evidence or any kind of information pulled out. That's going to open that can of worms. That goes back. That links back to key. Well, imagine this. You put one of the, just one of the witnesses to say, you were there. You saw who interrogated Camerina. Yes.

Did Carter interrogate Camarena? Yes. And who else did you ever get a come out in? Phileas Rodriguez. How's that going to go? Right. That's what they're trying to avoid. Man, Felix is getting old.

He's got to, he's, he's got to be in his, how old was he in his 90s when we saw him, right? I mean, he was rough. Yeah. He was, you know, he's in a wheelchair. He's old, man. Very old. Yeah, a lot of those guys, we went to his, his museum down there. He has this whole museum.

him dedicated to like the Bay of Pigs invasion and he's like pictures of all these Cubans and stuff like that and there's posters everywhere like pictures of Kennedy with like a slash through his face they don't like Kennedy and what's this he's 85 oh he's 85 that's it he looked 90 yeah yeah he's 90 he's been through a lot man he's a like I've seen some shit as you well know yeah but um Yeah, no, he seems to be like, you know, he was everywhere. Like he was in Vietnam, obviously, you know, everything that you've just explained, you know, in Mexico and all these crazy operations. And, you know, the Cuban and stuff with, you know, under Kennedy, like the Bay of Pigs.

And, you know, it's, it's hard to imagine, you know, what a guy like that has seen in his day. It's a different breed. I don't think they make them. I don't think they, I don't think we're doing, you know, it's hard to know for sure. But it seems like that era in history, like the 60s, 70s and 80s was like the Wild West for intelligence operations and international crime smuggling. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe all that stuff is still happening today. I think the difference is you just don't hear about it as much.

It's not reported as much in the news today. I mean, there are like lots of journalists, like independent journalists that are covering it. But, you know, you start to hear about stories like what you brought up in the last NARC, you know, long after it's happened, right? The Kiki was murdered in the 80s. 85. 85, right? So, you know, almost 40, pretty much, yeah, exactly 40 years ago. So, you know, what are we going to be learning about what's happening right now in 40 years from now?

Because, you know, there is stuff coming out like this recent murder of this guy, El Mancho and the kidnapping of, uh, El Mayo and all this stuff, but you really have to pay close attention to kind of keep track of it. It's not reported on in the mainstream media. Well, my experience, because I was involved in college and kidnapping myself with the government. And I said it from day one, El Mayo Sambala was not kidnapped. He volunteered. Why would he volunteer? He wasn't kidnapped.

Because you think he's been working with the CIA for a long time. I don't think so. I pretty much know that he was kidnapped. Yeah. Because look at the facts, Danny. He's flown in. There's 50, at least 50 ages, waiting for the landing of the plane. And the first information was that he had been tricked on the plane by Ed Chapposan.

Yeah. Ismael, Guzman Beltran, or whatever his name is. and the pilot escaped. What? That's the official story. The pilot escaped. Now, if DEA and the FBI and the CIA and the generals and everybody in the government knows, that this plane bringing the mouse on Bada is landing there,

how does the pilot bringing him in escape? That was the first story. Where did they land? Teresa, something or rather little town. south of El Paso there in Texas. It wasn't in El Paso. Santa Teresa. Santa Teresa. Yeah, that's the name of the little town where they landed.

Okay, how if the DEA and the CIA were not involved in the kidnapping, how did they know to wait for the plane to land there and when it was going to land? Number one. Number two, the Mexican government accused the U.S. government of kidnapping Elmao Zambada. Kenza-Lar, the ambassador, says, no, we were not involved

in that operation at all. We did not kidnap Zambada. He's not lying. Sambada turned himself in. And the reason he turned himself in is because Zambada had been at a DA informant for years. He'd been working for the CIA and the D.A.

Hmm. Of course, they're not going to say none of this. I'm going to remind you, when El Chapa was being tried, El Mio Zambada was in Mexico, and he called his son, El Vincentio, who was being held in federal detention here. He used the DEA to go into Vicentio's cell and say, here, your dad wants to talk to you. Vincentio takes a call, and El Mio Zambada tells them,

cooperate with the U.S. government testify against El Chapo-Gusman. So in Vicentillo and the Mayo Samother's brother, El Ray, were the two major witnesses that testified against El Chapo-Gusman

in Chapo-Gusman's trial. You're saying El-Mayo got to them, got a DEA agent to walk a phone into the prison. Yes, sir. That's a fact. And El Mayo told these guys to No. El Mayo told his son to cooperate with the U.S. government and go ahead and testify against El Chapo. I can't tell Chappo who had been his right-hand man in the Sena-Lau cartel.

They both founded it together, right? Yes. So now you tell me, why would El-Chai, I mean, El-Mayo called the DEA to take the phone, let the son talk to? Because he has a relationship. And not only that, the DEA was behind it in El-Mayo to tell these people to cooperate. against El Chapo so they could convict El Chapo. I mean, I know how it works. You're not going to kid me.

All right. No, what happened was Al-Mayo Zambada decided that he wanted to get out of Dodge, just getting too hot now, with a war with El Menova, Mnanova Generations Cartel and the Sinairoca, because they were at war with each other. He decides to get out. His brother's already a cooperating witness, and so is his son. So he decides he's going to turn itself in and cooperate with the U.S. government. The reason it has to be like this then is because, number one,

the ambassador Ken Salazar is not going to lie out to the public and say that we were not involved in the kidnapping, which we were not because it wasn't a kidnapping. And he told the president of Mexico, Gladys Seinfeld. we were not involved in that. He's not lying. El Chapo decides that he's going to cooperate and he basically says up this scenario that he's being kidnapped by El Chapo's son

who turned him in, who was on the plane with him, and basically surrendered there. But here's the thing. What's interesting, now, currently in the Mexican news is guess what? They found the pilot. Oh, yeah?

The Mexican government found the pilot. What do you say? He said he wanted to be turned over to the United States. And guess what they did a couple, two days ago? What? The pilot is here again. He's here in the U.S. Can you find this, Steve?

Is this reported on? Yes. Is it Morrow Alberto Nunez Obeda? Yes. I believe that's a pilot, yes. So, now... What do you make of it? You're an intelligent guy.

What do you make about this? why would Mexico not interrogating from A through Z on El Mayo's kidnapping or El Mayo's whatever? He was involved from the beginning to the end of the pilot. We supposedly let him go. He goes back to Mexico. The Mexican government now has just picked him up and now they deport him over here. Without interrogating him about how Amio got here. Mm-hmm.

It doesn't make sense, does it? you know, unless people in the Mexican government are just taking bribes to, you know. Something is not wrong with this picture. Something is very wrong with this picture. Something's up. Why with the Mexican government, who supposedly is upset and saying we're violating Mexican sovereignty by kidnapping El Mayo? They made all those accusations against the U.S. When they get the pilot that knows everything, they don't even interrogate.

him or investigating him, they send him back to the U.S. What do you make of that? What do you think? I think, I firmly believe that O'Meal surrendered himself. They made this story up that he was kidnapped and all of that, which he was, and he surrendered himself. And I believe that... Because it was getting too hot. He didn't want to deal with it anymore.

He wanted to eject. Not only that. He became a government. He testified against all these former presidency paid off, and he provided a lot of testimony against a big guy by the name of Maduro. El Mayo did. Yes.

He gave up shit on Maduro. Yes. Him and others. And then all of a son, Maduro's picked up after El Mayo came in. Remember, El Mayo was the biggest drug dealer in the world. Mm-hmm. Okay? And now everything's so quiet on El Mayo.

You don't hear anything about El Mayo. Yeah, but aren't his, isn't his son now running shit? El Mayo Flacco, supposedly, by and steal the scene of all about. a cartel over there. Yeah. And they're like in a little civil war with Los Chapitos, right? Los Chapitos who have become part of the Nueva Generacion cartel. And okay, this is what Stephen found. The pilot of the plane was arrested in Mexico last year and handed over to U.S. authorities. At Wednesday's press conference, another FG. Okay. Who's Boone? Boone is. he's mentioned earlier in this article.

I don't know who the hell Boone is. Boone said that Nunes was, okay, Nunes of the pilot was deported to Mexico after flying the plane to the United States and he subsequently continued committing crimes in Mexico and tells her rest. He said that Mexican authorities transferred Nunes to the United States after his arrest.

Okay. The pilot was apparently released after landing in New Mexico and allowed to return to Mexico. Let me ask you. Let me make a comment here. Very important comment. A big observation here. Why would we release him to Mexico after supposedly he participated in kidnapping El Mio? And then the Mexican government deported him back to us. Right. Why wasn't he charged with anything? Yeah. That's why I say El Mio surrendered himself. There was no kidnapping. Yeah. If you didn't kidnap him, why would you arrest a pilot?

Yeah, but you seem like El Mayo, I mean, this guy's got to have billions of dollars, right? Yes. Like, why would you, why wouldn't you just take off to, like, I don't know, a foreign country or some island somewhere, like in the Mediterranean or just disappear? Why surrender yourself to the U.S.? His whole family's over here. Oh. Mayo's sons over here. Everybody's here.

Yeah, right. Why would he stay in Mexico and be subject to being. killed by the Nouvehnazeglarsion cartel or betrayed by the Mexican government. So before the Mexican government betrayed him, he betrayed them. He came over here. Here I am. Yeah, made a deal, made a deal. Leave my family alone. Are you following why I say that he was not kidnapped? Of course.

If he was kidnapped, I did kidnap. There was a warrant for my arrest. The pilot that I used to get that Dr. Machine was interrogated and beat into death in Mexico. So he died during the interrogation. The pilot that brought a machine over. This pilot just is let go. How many API agencies were there waiting for the plane to land with El Mayo? 30, 40 of them?

And the pilot just, oh, let him go. And do you think El Chapo's son was on the plane to provide the cover story? Yes, he was. He was on the plane. And specifically just for the cover story. Yes. And he's also now cooperating with.

It's crazy how long and how deep the CIA and DEA has been working with the cartels and how like synergistic that whole operation has been. Absolutely. And currently the U.S. has indicted a former governor of Sinaloa, Ruben Rocha Mora. They have a one with the arrest. They've asked Mexico to extraditing, specifically directly to Claudia Meshimbabom, the president of Mexico. And she refuses to extraditing. She's protecting him, stating that she needs evidence of his involvement in drug trafficking. And the U.S. is saying, no. Under the extradition treaty, we have a warrant. You're doing it about to turn him over.

And she says, I'm not turning him over. She's protecting him. And this guy, okay, was involved in murders and everything else. he's a major, major, uh, uh, narco-political that goes between the government of Mexico and the cartels.

He's the one that funneled a lot of money, cartel money to a former president, uh, Lopez deodor's campaign. And also allegedly has, uh, basically, uh, provided millions of dollars towards Shinebump's campaign.

And, uh, there's information also that it's alleged that the Chapitos also gave Shinebam, the president. Mexico, $21 million. So the whole Mexican government is corrupt. Now, Donald Trump was very correct in theitarian terrorist organizations because the Mexican drug cartels have killed way more thousands of Americans than al-Qaeda and Hamas.

every year over 100,000 Americans die of fetinal overdoses. Hasn't that been declining, though? Hasn't that number been declining? I saw something recently. Maybe, but there's still a lot of people that are using it. Not everybody's dying. Right. But excuse me, I want to make a point here on your show.

I want to make a point that the Chinese have started or have filed or initiated a solid war against Americans by providing the precursors in the training of how to make fentanyl. They have declared war on us, and over 100,000 Americans die at an average of fentanyl overdoses every year. And when you investigate that, it is not the jacuzza and the Chinese criminal elements that have basically aligned themselves with the cartels of Mexico. is the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party. They are the ones that are basically providing the Mexicans with all this stuff.

And also weapons. And talking about weapons, a lot of the weapons is the cartels get like the drones that the cartels have, all the very sophisticated military weapons that the cartels now possess were sold to them by the Ukrainians, we're also very corrupt. Right, right. And that's no secret.

So what are we doing about all those issues? But I will state, let's not kill ourselves. You know, these countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Mexico now, China, they're all against us. They hate democracy. They're all socialist, communist, communist countries. And they hate us. And they declare war on us. And I'll make a statement here that was,

much, I guess, stated or put out by Fidel Costa was, we are going to destroy the United States and we don't have to fire one bullet destroying them. Drugs. And all these people that think they're cool by using drugs and everything else are only contributing to their destruction and the destruction of our country. It's not cool to be out there dealing drugs

and using drugs and everything else. You're only destroying yourself, guys and girls. What do you think about the argument that legalizing and regulating these drugs would destroy these cartels? Because there's other countries that have done that, and they've been taking that money and then invested that into, like, rehabilitation centers

and, you know, doctors and all kinds of things. And there's been, like, strong arguments made that that could be a huge deterrent to slow down and to stop the violence. And, you know, also, you know, you can, and getting a lot of money by regulating this stuff. And your, your, my position of that is that I agree that law enforcement hasn't worked. And I agree, and I'm one of the biggest supporters of drug addicts shouldn't be arrested.

Drug addicts are sick people that are being manipulated, used by the cartels to make money. Okay. I don't advocate at all the arrest of people that use drugs. People that use drugs are basically sick people. Drug addiction is a disease, Danny. And I feel sorry for those people that are out there homeless in the parks. If you look at all those homeless in the parks of L.A., the big cities. A lot of them veterans too. 99.9 of them are drug addicts.

They're not there. Those are the victims, the real victims of these cartels. And yes, I agree with you that maybe law enforcement is not the answer. But making them illegal, I don't know about that. I don't know how that would work. because I think we need to attack it more by education. Yeah, totally. And taking care of our addicts, man, don't put in jail.

They're out there being homeless. And look at, they're from all races and multidominations, from all classes. You have kids of very rich people that are out there homeless because they're drug addicted. And I am the biggest supporter of education and trying to find, trying to find other means other than just throw cuffs on everybody and arrest everybody right i don't believe in that especially i couldn't even do my job at the end and if we did do that if we did legalize that stuff or decriminalize you know weed and cocaine and all the biggest drugs that are trafficked across the border into the u.s for the cartels and i'm sure that

you know is a huge portion of their revenue um how would that really stop that them, you know, because I know they're into a lot of other stuff. They're into like avocados. I know a lot of them are into like oil, like transporting oil and shit. Like they're into a lot of legitimate businesses providing security for Chinese companies that are extracting lithium and shit in Mexico. Like they're there, they're everywhere. It's not just the drugs. Right. They're into everything. But here's one of the things now. Let's imagine. And I've been to a seminar and old the, we did this. We brought up scenarios.

Okay, let's say that. Drugs are legitimate in the United States. They legalize all drugs. And you're gonna have a party at your house. And you're gonna invite everybody to your party and you're gonna ask him, what kind of beauty do you like? What, like yours? You like cocaine?

Yeah, I have a little coqueter for me. How about heroin? You like a little heroin? When it's legal? I can't get some heroin if you wanna shoot up here at my part. party. Okay. Let's all have fun. Drugs are legal, we'll use them all. I'll get heroin. I'll get cocaine. I'll get whatever, meth, whatever you guys want. It's going to be a haven for attorneys, dude,

because if somebody overdoses and dies at your house, I'm going to sue you. Yeah, that's what the education comes in. What are you going to have nurses and doctors at your parties to make sure that nobody shoots up too much heroin and dies? Right. It doesn't make sense. Well, you need the education. The education is a huge part of it. People need to be aware of this. And that's where I'm going.

You need the education. I don't think, honestly, that one thing or another is going to work. I think a combination, some law enforcement, not to the extent that we have it now, education and rehabilitation. We need to concentrate more on just putting people in jail and throwing cuffs on people. Right. Okay. But unfortunately, our country is also corrupt.

Mm-hmm. And wherever there's money and there's greed, there's going to be corrupt politicians, corrupt drug dealers, what have you. At the end of my career, I couldn't work anymore because I was at a very high level in my agency, and I knew that the CIA was bringing in tons of cocaine. We seized some of these CIA planes with cocaine and money and arrested the pilots. And guess what? we were ordered to give him back their cocaine, called the U.S. Marshals,

released the pilot, and give them their money back because it was a CIA operation. Okay? But yet, then they tell Hector Bereas, see that white kid over there, he's selling ounces of coal, go arrest him. Right. I go arrest that kid.

He gets 15, 20 years in prison, but I just did another guy go with 20 tons of the cars. Okay. And I knew. And we the DA knew that these shipments of cocaine. Well, you know, it's funny. It's not funny, but you lay all this out. You know, and at the same time, you say all these countries,

these South American countries, you know, like Cuba and Venezuela, they hate democracy. Yes. Well, at least they're not faking it. The people who run this country also hate democracy. They just pretend that they don't. They pretend that we live in a democracy. We don't fucking get to vote on shit.

They're going to do whatever they want to do. Exactly. And that's where I'm at. And that's why I'm here because I'm exposing the corruption. I don't agree with the, we're the cleanest country in the world. I've got interviewed a lot by Mexican TV stations and I always say, yeah, Mexico is corrupt. Yeah, Mexico is a corrupt state. Yeah, Mexico is being robbed by the cartels.

But guess what folks? The U.S. can give Mexicans a less than a corruption. We are as corrupt or more corrupt than Mexico. Right. And I've stated it. And we depend on Mexico too, right? Exactly. We depend on them for a lot of the, like a lot of our big.

companies depend on this country in this country if you don't pay your taxes you know what's going to happen to you right but yeah they take your taxes and they steal them look at what they've done with all the uh the uh the situation in uh in uh Minnesota the NGOs they that they say that they're funder in money to buy condoms right you think that money is really going to buy condoms right it's just going there and it's being brought back to you know or to genocide people in Gaza for another country, Israel, to do a war over there or to invade Iran. I don't think anyone voted for their tax money to go over to the middle fucking east. Think of which we are.

Think of all the billions that they've stolen and we still haven't broken the country. We are totally corrupt, totally corrupt. You know, and I'm not here saying that the Democrats are corrupt, the Republicans are corrupt. They're both corrupt. two sides of the same coin one of the things that we see is okay we have identified all these GMOs and all this corruption going on and all this stealing of American

tax dollars who has gone to jail hardly anybody of significance we can prove that this all this billions of tax dollars have been stolen siphoned who is being held accountable no one in LA in California just two or three months ago they they found out that

I'll forget 24 billion dollars had gone to build homes for the for the homeless they built two townhouses and the two companies construction companies were charged with stealing millions of dollars they built two town homes yeah but yet they got like I don't know how many million three or four million dollars maybe more than that but because in LA one house is cost you a million dollars in LA yeah like a one bedroom house maybe it was 40 50 million I don't know how much it's insane they just arrested the owners that two construction companies for stealing all that tax money wow and that's just those two companies I mean wait till they get into you know hospice and Medicare and child care and all that millions of dollars to go to these things they're going to

I find out that most of them are like in Minnesota. They don't even exist. Hold that thought. I want to go more into this stuff that's happening in Mexico right now, but I got to take a leak real quick. Okay. So I'll be right back. Going back to the Kiki Camarena thing,

you were mentioning to me just off camera a minute ago, how you were getting attacked from the people who were above Kiki. And there was constantly this sort of, weird recruitment process that was happening back or not necessarily it wasn't going from the DIA to the CIA but the CIA was always trying to recruit people in the D.EA. Is that correct? Yes. The CIA infiltrated the DEA with CIA operatives. Right. Basically when I was in charge of the Camerina, no, when I was in charge of the Masatlan-Sin-Lanoa-D-A office in

Mexico, agents arrived supposedly sent to work for me by DEA headquarters and they were assigned to me as DEA agents. Later I found out that they were not DEA agents. There were undercover CIA operatives being brought into Mexico as DEA agents. But with a DEA, even I as a supervisor, were never told they were CIA. They were spies within the DEA. Not only that, the CIA always wanted to recruit DEA agents to become like sources of theirs

and offered us payment. They offered me $3,500 to become like a CIA contract worker. And I asked, okay, why would I be getting paid for? What would I have to do? and they told me that I would have to devout all of my sources of information to them and also our drug operations to whoever was going to be my control CIA operative. But I could keep my job as a CE supervisor. And a lot of the DEA agents took those jobs and took those positions.

So they were DEA guys that were under CIA payroll. Right. And then there were others that were active. There were actually CIA operatives that were brought in undercover into the DEA, DEA, SDAA special agents. Question, and you probably have right now, why would they do this? It's because certain countries would only allow, let's say, 10 CIA operatives to work out of the embassies out of their country. Right. But the CIA would bring them in as DEA agents, but they were not DEA agents.

Right. CIA operatives. And then there was those DEA agents that were recruited as basically the contract workers for the CIA while being DEA agents. And also, so the CIA, I'm sure, you know, it's, it makes a lot of sense why they would want to do that. There's, there's so many reasons. I mean, they would want to, I'm sure they would want to keep track of everything the DIA is investigating to make sure that the DEA stays away from them. You know what I mean?

They don't want the, they don't want the DEA starting to, you know, get some sort of a, of tip and uncover some crazy CIA operation or some CIA front that's happening. Because, you know, as you alluded to earlier, that the CIA operates on a invisible layer where they need to get shit done. They need to stay, keep everything a secret. And we don't need some crazy, you know, wild cowboy DEA guy coming and blown up their spot. Right. And another thing is that like the CIA, like the DEA, they have.

they have different units that are compartmentalized that one unit doesn't know what the other unit's doing. Yes. So if you were to ask just an ordinary DEA agent that was working when I was working there, what do you think about Hector doing these black operations, kidnapping people and all this other stuff? He would say, we don't do that.

Mm-hmm. We don't do it. I don't believe we do that because they're innocent. they were never brought into these spatial units. The CIA's got the same thing. Their CIA operatives that swear that the CIA doesn't do anything corrupt because they're not assigned to those units.

Right. A lot of agents in the DEA say, I don't know anything about that or what Hector did or whatever. Because... Or they've never heard of anything like that ever happening. They never heard of it. Right.

Because we were sworn to secrecy and we were sworn not to devolve what we were doing. Operation Leyenda only reported to the director of the DEA. I didn't even report to a special agent in charge of a division. I went straight to the top. To the director of the day, I had a direct line. So a lot of the things we were doing were very secretive

and other agents didn't know what we were doing. And we were not allowed to discuss what we were doing with our other DEA friends. Friends would ask me at parties, hey, what's going on with this? I said, I can't talk about it, dude, you know. But everything's cool. We're doing our job.

We're getting there. But I can't tell you anything. I'm not allowed to. You know that. How much do you think the director of the DEA knew about this stuff happening? And do you think that there was any sort of fuckery happening between the CIA and the director of the DEA? Yes. As a matter of fact, the director of the CIA, Jack Lawn, had been assigned to anti-terrorist unit within the

CIA as an FBI agent. So he basically had to have done a lot of stuff that the CIA was doing. And what about people that were like closer to Kiki or around Kiki working with him? Do you think any of those guys knew, or were working for the CIA as well? They didn't know. I didn't even know. And I had CIA guys in my in my office. And I didn't know they were CIA. What about Kiki's boss? Kiki's boss was I believe I believe was one of those D-E-A guys

that was recruited and on a CIA payroll because he was the one that actually from my sources that was involved in involved in planning the kidnapping of Kiki Kamairena along with

Phyllis Rodriguez and I understand Oliver North Did you ever interview him? Phyllis Rodriguez? No, no, no. I'm sorry. Did you ever interview

Kiki's boss at the time? No, he wouldn't talk to me. No. No, he wouldn't talk to me. He hates me. Is he still alive? Yes, he is. Why would he hate you for trying to solve the murder?

Because he's corrupt. Of Kiki Kama. He was taking money from the cartel guys and he knows that I know it. Mm-hmm. He took money from Fonseca and he took money from Carl Gintero. Mm-hmm. As a matter of fact, I've heard the interrogation tapes where Kikis been interrogated. And by who?

By the cartel guys. Oh, okay, yeah. Rodriguez, the cartel guys and the people that interrogated Camarena during his torture. And Carl Quintaro asked Kiki, he says, why did you betray me? I sent you money. It's right in the transcripts of the Camarena transcripts and the tapes. And Kiki answers, you didn't send me any money. I don't know what you're talking about.

You, I never, I don't know what you're talking about. I never got money from you. I didn't betray you. Carl Katero Kamarina, right on tape. Wow. Who has provided the most pushback against you for this, for the last narc? Like who, who's been the most outspoken opponent to this idea or this theory that you've come up with? That, you know, that Felix was involved with this and this, you know, uncovering this whole operation behind the scene.

Has there been anyone high level that has come out and accused you of lying and making the story up other than the American government? Jack Landa director of DEA. At the time? At the time, he continues to say that in this whole lie. Remember where he came from before he came into DEA to become DA director? He was assigned to the CIA. Oh, he was in the CIA before he got into the DEI. He was an FBI agent.

basically working at Langley CIA headquarters against anti-terrorism, but he was a DEA assigned to work with the CIA. That's where he came from. He's been very vocal about saying that I'm lying. And he uses a reporter by the name of Elaine Shannon, uses her voice, she's a writer and reporter, to say that it's all a lie. And here's my pushback on them.

I had three witnesses that I recruited that were at the scene that saw who interrogated Camarena and what Camarena was asked and I also have the transcripts okay

and they all say that Felix Rodriguez, CIA was one of the main interrogators of Camerina the detractors of mine the ones that say that this is not true don't have one witness that was there that can say that the witnesses

that I recruited are telling the lie. Right. So if I would like for the detractors and the naysayers to at least say we have two or three guys that were also there and they're saying your guys are lying. Not one. So how can they say that it's not true?

Who's telling them that was there that's not true? nobody that I know of. Right. Yeah, I mean, in today's day and age, I just think that, I don't think that anyone with an ounce of reason would be able to argue against your whole case and the whole story of the last NARC. I mean, it's, it really, as tragic as it is, it pales in comparison to all of the other atrocities, some of the other atrocities that, you know, we basically know the U.S. government is guilty of and complicit in where there's just no analysis, no answers given. They just sort of throw their hands up and then the internet just argues about it, you know, like all of all the other things that are that happen all the time

that, you know, all the crimes that the U.S. government commits. It's, it's just kind of like the norm now, right? Like people, I feel like people, especially in my, age group are kind of used to this and they kind of know this is the MO of CIA. Well, one of the major things that that I've come across is people say, well, Philly Rodriguez says that he wasn't there, that Philly Rodriguez was never in what Alahara. He told me he was in Miami that day. Okay. But here's the thing.

Until now, you didn't know that Rodriguez had been accused of smuggling as a CIA operate. tons of cocaine by pilot Terry Reid. Right. I would like for you to confront Rodriguez and Terry Reid, I'd like to confront me and say, okay, you wrote a book saying this guy was smuggling tons of grain. Ada and Ola Harrah where Kiki was killed. Is Terry Reid still alive?

Yes. He's still alive. He wrote a book. It's called it Compromised. The whole story of how Rodriguez was smuggling in tons of cocaine. And Rodriguez is sort like a hero. Oh, I capture Che Guevada. I'm a hero.

Come on. And that's another thing. He didn't capture Che Guevara. I interviewed General Molina and Tehran, who were involved in the whole capture of Che Guevara. Well, there was some Bolivian guerrilla forces that captured him, right? He just, like, came in and, like, tried to do an interview with him. He was at another location called Santa Cruz, a little village of Santa Cruz. Che Guevara was captured in Villagrante, which is about a two-hour flight from where Rodriguez-W.

was they capture him in bolivia right in bolivia the the the the the the the Bolivian army captures him mm-hmm he has not sustained mortal wounds he's shot in and the stomach in the leg he's taken to a schoolroom where he's being held they call Phillies Rodriguez he flies in by helicopter right and I have interviewed the guy that actually killed Che Guevara who actually shot him who actually shot Che Guevara okay the guy that he that Rodrigues order to kill him. Really?

When Rodriguez was there, Che Guevara was alive. He tried to interrogate him. And Rodriguez speed in his face. I mean, he gave out of spitting Rodriguez's face until him get out of here, gozano, which means worm. I'm not going to talk to you. So according to Tehran, who was ordered to kill Che Guevara, Rodriguez told him, shoot him from the neck down,

so his wish would appeal, appear like he got him in battle, but kill him. Right, exactly. He said he shot him and then Rodriguez came back in. That's a real story. Yeah. I think that's the way that Felix told it to me as well. Okay, he didn't pull the trigger.

He didn't tell me he pulled the trigger now. No. He said he ordered that on to kill. Exactly. Yeah, he told me that. Right. And he was never, he never interviewed Che Guevara. Hevara hated Rodriguez.

He wasn't going to talk to him. He spit in his face and says, get out of here, worm. I'm not going to talk to you. He did say something, though. He said that Che Guevara said, like at least he answered. answered one or two of his questions, but he said he did say that he was not willing to talk to him, didn't want to say anything. But he did, I can't remember exactly what he said, but he did say that he did say that he got at least one or two things out of him. I can't remember.

So I did. In doing my investigation of Rodriguez, I actually flew Olivia and interrogated Tehran and the general that was in charge of the unit that captured Che Guevada. I did. So that's what I learned. So was there to be a big hero about? Yeah. That he goes over in the trust interior, get him in a later. Oh, he's the guy that captured Che Guevada. Yeah. Yeah. He tried to interview him and then just like did a photo up. That's the extent of it. Yeah. But going back, yeah, the CIA was very much involved with the DEA. The CIA had agents in the DEA secretly put in by them. headquarters DEA knew it and most of them ended up in the CIA

operatives that were brought into the DEA with DEA credentials and badges in foreign assignments like Mexico, Bolivia, Colombia, and those places. Fast forwarding to where we are today, how much different is it in Mexico today as far as like the DEA and the CIA

footprint do you think? I don't know. If things had gotten better, when I was there, there was a lot of distrust and dislike of each other. We had, they had an TPP's each other. They didn't like us. I didn't like working for them, even though I did work with them. The way you'd work with the DEA is I would get a call and say, report to such a place where you're being T.D. White over to the CIA. Pull that mic get a little bit closer.

Pull that mic. Yeah. Okay. I would be called and say, you know, report. to the embassy at Mexico City, let's say, and we're assigning you or TDIWing you over to do an operation with a CIA. And that's the way I would meet with them

and they would tell me what they needed for me, how my participation was basically going to be used. Mainly it was using my informants to identify locations and different things I can't talk about. We did major operations. I was sworn to secrecy. I had to sign documents that I was never going to divulge what we were doing.

And to this day, I can't divulge that because I could be arrested in charge for basically violating the Retail of the Act, violating secrets of national security. So to this day, I can't talk about those operations. Well, it seems like you are divulging things that could be a risk to their quote-unquote national security. So it's amazing that you haven't been arrested for the stuff you have talked about. Yeah, because, see, when you do those black operations, you have to sign. And what I talk about, I never signed any paperwork. Ah, okay. See, in other words, they came back and say you were ordered and you signed here that you were not going to violate.

And those NDA say explicitly, if you talk publicly about any of this stuff. Yes, exactly. You give us the right to take you. You can be charged with violations of security laws, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, reason or whatever they can charge it with. How much do you know about this El Mensho capture or El Mancho killing? I have been told by sources and I suspect highly that El Mancho was executed on his way to the supposedly hospital because secret evils a lot of information of corruption by the current government. So basically they killed him

So he won't do what El Mye is doing now Is giving up government officials See the cartels The cartels are not the bosses of the drug trade The guy's really running the drug operations Are corrupt high government officials They are the ones run They make the cartels

And destroy the cartels And the cartels answer to them And the cartels answered to them. And that's a fact. Okay. So the cartels, yeah, they buy them off, they pay him off, and they're working with him. Yeah. And I need the sick bucket when I hear Claude Ashamba, the president of Mexico saying that our operations are violating the sovereignty of Mexico.

What is he talking about? The sovereignty of Mexico. the Mexican citizens in the government and the country of Mexico has no sovereignty. Their sovereignty has been sold off to the cartels. She says, well, you know, the U.S. is trying to come in. Your Trump's going to send troops in here

to arrest our cartel guys without Mexican's permission. They're going to violate our sovereignty. And I said, lady, what sovereignty are you talking about? You've already sold your sovereignty to the cartel guys. That put people in Mexico, they have no saying anything. You and the cartel. are running all the corruption out of Mexico.

Remember, if you support a terrorist organization in any way, either financially or covering up for them or whatever, you are basically in violation against the terrorist act. So if you support terrorism, you can be charged with supporting terrorism. And the Mexican Morena Group, the Mexican leading or the current administration Morena, has been supporting the cartels.

And now that the terrorist organizations, now we can go after them finally, meaning the corrupt government officials that are providing comfort and support to the cartels. So there's also the thing as in Mexico that, oh, the U.S. is going to violate their sovereignty by arresting cartel guys.

Give me a break. They have sold their sovereignty to the cartel guys, meaning the government officials of Mexico. Right. And what would that even solve? Let's say the American military decided to march in and arrest a thousand cartel bosses all across Mexico. Like what would that even do?

Wouldn't that create just a power vacuum that would get filled? Arristen cartel bosses is not going to solve anything because there will be others that will rise as heads of the organizations. What you need to do is cut off the corruption, cut off the government officials that provide support, comfort, and protection to the cartels. So when we have a government in Mexico that is legitimately going after the cartels, if we had a legitimate government in Mexico that wasn't corrupt, the cartels wouldn't exist. The problem is most of the Mexican Army generals are under payroll of the cartels right now.

And Claudo Shimon, the president of Mexico, is in a very delicate position. because if these generals go against her, they could do basically throw her out of office. And then if she goes after the cartels, the cartels might kill her. So she's in the middle. If I go off to the cartels, the cartels could kill me. And if I try to basically strain out the corruption

by arresting the generals, commandantes, and other governors that are, they're corrupt they're going to go against me and do what they call it a cup de grae and get me out of out of office right so she's in the in the in a very delicate situation she's got marco rubio secretary of state saying hey i want these guys and then you have the corrupt generals and everybody's protecting guys say you better not turn him over and this is what's going out right now with the governor of sinaloa reuben roachamoia we have indicted him we've we we we we we requested that the government of Mexico turn him over and she's refusing to turn him over.

This guy is known to be corrupt and known to be part of the Chapito organization working with a Chapitos with a Neva Generacion cartel. But yet, she's protecting him. She will turn him over. So why do you think the Mexican army or special forces decided to raise, El Manchos, that compound where El Mancho allegedly was, right? Like they allegedly had RPGs and shit. It was like some crazy, crazy war zone that was created there. The Mexican government makes this cartel guys.

And whenever they become inconvenient or become a problem, they go away with them. Like they didn't mention. That's all the rest to it. Mention basically wasn't playing ball. with the current corrupt government. So they said, okay, he's expendable. Let's get him. That's why all of Mexico suspects that on a trip to the hospital,

on that helicopter, he was assassinated. Everybody in Mexico believes that because of the high level of corruption in the Mexican government. After that happened, there was allegedly like all this crazy violence that broke out within 24 hours of him getting. and killed, right? Right. And all kinds of people were assassinated.

Like bars were shot up. There was, do you know how many people were killed? It was like a 24-hour spree or something that happened across the whole country. Several thousand people were killed, yes. Yeah. Yes. And what was that about? It's basically the cartel guys made of the government for killing him.

It was, they were protesting against the Mexican government that killed El Mentional. Because they knew that he was assassinated. And that's why, that way they. protested, I guess. Yeah, it's just, it's hard to, it's hard to track, you know, because there's just so many factions of different cartels. So they're warring against each other, you know, especially post-El Mayo coming back to the U.S. It's hard to track, you know, like new hell, the new generation cartel, you know, the golf cartels, you know, and they, they all do different things.

And, you know, there's also like weird alliances with different cartels. And it's just, it's very convoluted. Very, very, very hard to track what's going on. And if Mayo was working with the CIA for so long, you know, how many of these dudes like El Mentiono are working with the CIA as well? You know, like how many of these newer, these younger cartels, like these new generation of Mexican cartels are working with American intelligence and the DEA? You know, that is interesting. Of course, I don't know the answer to your question. but for years the CIA has basically worked with criminal organizations in support of their operations.

And they believe that because they're not a law enforcement agency, they can do that. They can go and basically align themselves with criminals as long as they're meeting an objective having to do with national security. and they don't care. It's no secret that the CIA was involved in plotting the assassination of Fidel Castro. So, you know, they've been working with Italian organized crime for years. The mob.

And again, they can do it. Now, as a law enforcement officer, you can't do it. You can't go and basically, you know, commit criminal acts with a criminal jury investigating, which was very hard for me to do when I was in long-term, recover operations because when you're running with them and they ask you to kill somebody, what are you going to do? You're going to have to kill somebody. They'll kill you. You know, when I was a young agent, I wanted to be a very effective undercover agent. And it was an old guy in DEA. Oh, old guy. I don't even know what he was doing still with

DEA that had worked during the prohibition time. And nobody wanted to work with him because he took tobacco and he's kind of stunk. He was an old guy. Nobody wanted to go to those surveillance with him. His name was Bill Caden. I'll forget the guy. But I'd like to go with him because I would, you know, tap his brain and asking questions about undercover work. He had been a very undercover agent back in the old days.

And one day we're sitting there watching the Mexican border. And I said, Bill, I said, how do I become a very effective undercover agent? I want to be a good undercover region. I want to be great at it. He says, well, you're halfway there. He said, you look like a cook already. I'm always dressed like this. And I said, but what does it really take?

And he says, Hector says, what's a German shepherd? I said, a dog. He says, no, he's not. He's a domesticated wolf. He says, you're a German shepherd. You're a domesticate wolf. So now we're going to let you run with a real wolves. And if you're going to survive running with the real wolves, what are you going to have to do?

What the wolves do, right? And I said, yes. So just remember that. When you're running with the wolves, you'd better do what the wolves do, because if you don't, you're going to devour you. At the time, I didn't really give you much thought, but later I started thinking about what he told me. And I told myself, well, If I'm undercover and I have to kill somebody, and if I don't, I'm gonna die, then I'm gonna have to kill somebody. So a lot of times you have to kind of like, do things in the gray area when you're undercover.

Did you ever get into situations like that? Yes, not ever to kill somebody, but where I had to, you know, come up with some idea of how I'm gonna get out of doing a crime with them because they're testing you. You're undercover. You're undercover alone. You're undercover in Mexico.

You're undercover in Mexico. undercover in the jungles and the upsynal law what are you going to do you're alone you'd better be very so on that level now that you that you that you the fact that you understand that can you at least put yourself can you put yourself into felix's shoes when he was there with kiki that's what that's what i was trying to hear they were trying to tell me hey we do it for for a good reason yeah we we violate the law for a good reason i don't hate philis or I really don't even know the man. I don't know the man.

But that he was involved in Kiki's interrogation and murder, yes, he was. I fully believe that. He was taking orders. Mm-hmm. Not further up. So yes. And he was undercover. And that's why he was CIA.

He must think that I hate him, but I don't. Yeah. I don't hate the man. I don't even know him. All I know is I go with the facts and the evidence. of follow the evidence in the crime and I have and he has been placed there by more than one witness. What do you think would have happened to Felix

if Carl Cantero and all those other guys knew that he was undercover CIA guy? They knew. Oh, they already did know. Yeah. So he wasn't even in that situation. He wasn't even pretending. No, no, no.

They knew he was CIA. As a matter of fact, Ramon Lira, the last witness that I brought up in the camera murder case, that was present at the location when Kiki was being tortured. He asked Fonseca, who is this guy? And so he's our CRA friend. And he's been to Vietnam. And then he got to talk to Rodriguez and Rodriguez discussed about who was involved in

Vietnam and all this other stuff. He knows Rodriguez. And he knew and Fonseca knew that Rodriguez was CIA. They knew. Remember they were married. The cartels and the CIA were. married so that the CIA could use Rancho Vibora. So he wasn't even in an undercover situation.

No, he wasn't in an undercover situation. They were openly working with each other. And he was probably not afraid for his life at all because they would have CIA operative. And what's interesting, Danny, is that he was supplying the cartel with weapons. The witnesses informed me that before even Kiki was picked up, Rodriguez would show up at Fonseca's residence, and then right after he showed up,

Fonseca would say, go to the airport, go pick up these weapons. There were weapons that Rodriguez had flown to the airport and the bodyguards would be sent to the airport to pick up the weapons. And they described the weapons to me. So Rodriguez was selling weapons to Fonseca, the head of the World of the Harrah cartel back then.

What how advanced do you think that the cartels are now? Like as far as like weapons and surveillance and spy tools and stuff like that? Because you say like the military is paid off by the cartels. They're giving them intelligence. They're working with them. They're helping them. Like a lot of these countries like Mexico I know gets equipment and shit from, you know, first world countries like Israel and the United States.

So like is it possible that the cartel is getting like some of the most advanced weapons and spying software and shit that you see countries like the U.S. and Israel have too? They do. The cartels are getting very sophisticated weapons. And like I said, one of the sources I understand is Ukraine. From Ukraine. From Ukraine. They're getting drones.

They're getting all kinds of equipment, night vision equipment. and weapons, even biological weapons. Biological weapons. They have all that stuff. The cartels do. They're very well armed. As a matter of fact, our Mexican Army won't take them on because they're better armed with a Mexican army that cartel guys are.

Remember, they've got a lot of money. And as far as intelligence, of course, they have... You think they have a nuke? What's that? Do you think they have any nuclear weapons? I don't believe... I have not heard that. I've heard of have some type of biological weapons they can use,

but, no, not nuclear weapons, but remember the cartels, because of their money, have corrupt government agents working for them. Some of them have been caught, some of them have been exposed, but they have corrupt D-EA agents, FBI agents, CIA agents, working for them too. I mean, for them to give you a couple, two, three million dollars is nothing. You're making billions, almost $3 million of dollars with the drugs. That's how big they've gotten. They're transnational.

I mean, they're selling drugs in Europe all over, not just the United States. We can't lose sight of that. And they have a lot of money. They can put the DA agent on payroll for a million a month. So they have infiltrated also our law enforcement agencies that are corrupt. How many agents have been arrested in the last year? Three or four D agents have gone down the troops for taking money from cartels,

working for the cartels. DEA agents? Yes, sir. How often does this happen? Isigiri was arrested what a year ago. I forget his first name, several DEA just have been arrested. Wow. Working for the cartels.

So they have the money. They have the resources to penetrate even our agencies. So they have great intelligence. And as far as military equipment, they have the latest. because they have the money. How do you think they get away with running operations inside of America, inside of the United States? Like, for example, like in the forests and stuff in California,

like Northern California, like the grow operations that are up there? I understand right now that there's a lot of marijuana growing going on, basically owned by the cartels. The cartels have hired people here in the United States, legitimate citizens, they hire them to open up the marijuana dispensaries that are opening up all over the United States. They say, okay, you get all the licenses, you open it up, or give you 30% of all the money that's made there. And they use them to launder money, and they also have marijuana grows in the United States to supply the cannabis stuff to the experiences which they, They own.

That's going on right now. So a lot of these dispensaries that you see going on, they're owned by the cartels in this country. Yeah, that's one of the things that David was pointing out. I had another guy, John Norris, who was pointing out, he worked for the FWC, and he was explaining how there was like multiple shootouts in the woods of California with these cartels. Yes. And like they were doing all kinds of crazy stuff, like setting like Vietnam era booby traps, like pungy pits and stuff like that.

Yes. Like barbaric. It's going on right now. Yeah. The fact that that doesn't get more attention by the United States military is insane to me. Like what are we going to do in Mexico when we can't even get rid of cartel grow operations that are having in California? That and the fact that for some reason our media, I don't know why, they don't seem to be

interested in publicizing none of this stuff. I mean, it's not like it's unknown. Just nothing is being said in the news. People are not being educated of these secret operations that are taking place, as you stated, right now in our country. Like there's all these 85,000 or whatever children that have been imported that are unaccounted for. What do you think a lot of them have ended up? A lot of them are being sold by the cartels to legitimate families. You know, a family can't have kids.

They don't qualify because of all the restrictions to legally adopt a child. So do they go to the cartels? What do you want? You want a little girl? 10 years old? How old do you want it? Give me $20,000 here. That's what they disappeared to.

And some of the kids have even been exposed to basically taking organs out of them. Oh, yeah. This was in the Epstein files. Yeah. That's all really happening here. Where are those children? Disappeared. Yeah.

So we are, we've got problems with corruption here too. I mean, how does this happen? That's what they don't address is where are these children? Who adopted them? Who bought organs from them, you know, off of them? The women, prostitution rings all over the place. Where are they? Most of the women that are being brought illegally

are raped by the cartel guys anyway before they bring them over, young girls, they're all raped. That are trafficked across the border? Yes. Not only that, the cartels, remember, in the 80s and 90s were not involved in human traffic and the cartels were only drug trafficking. Now they're involved in human trafficking and everything else.

Everything else. Right. If you're Chinese and you want to come into the United States or, you know, as it was here, maybe five years ago, it cost you $20,000. Now, if you didn't pay the cartels $20,000, the coyotes could not bring you across. You had to pay the cartels $20,000. Now, if you were from, let's say, El Salvador or, you were. or Guatemala or whatever, the price would be less.

It would cause you $5,000 to the cartels before the coyote could bring you across. So the cartels started capitalizing it, and they finally got involved also in controlling human trafficking. So now the cartels, basically, you need to pay out of the cartels before you can come across illegally. Thank God that finally has been shut down, but they were making money hand over fist

with their involvement in human trafficking. Yeah, it's insanity, man. But when it comes to like the equipment that you say they're getting from Ukraine, they have drones and biological weapons. That's terrifying if they have biological weapons. Because one of the things about weapons like that, which are almost as maybe even more terrifying than nuclear weapons, is that it's almost impossible to attribute them to where they came from.

And like one of the things that keeps countries from going to war, like nuclear war with each other, is the mutually assured destruction. Because if we launch a nuke, they're going to launch a nuke, and everyone's going to fucking die. But if a rogue criminal organization like, you know, the CJ and G cartel or whatever cartel decides to let loose some pathogen in Mexico or in the United States,

and all of a sudden this spreads around the world, like there's no repercussions because they're a criminal organization that is responsible and answers to nobody. That's right. I don't understand the extent or how potent or anything. I have been told that they do have biological weapons. They have everything because they have the money to buy it. And remember, we have criminal countries now that are involved in drug trafficking, trying to destroy. us. And I'll repeat again, the Chinese have declared a silent war against us by inundating us with a very lethal drug, which is fentanyl. These countries are not our friends. I don't know

how to explain to people that the government of Mexico, Morena government is a socialist, communist, communist type political, political organization. They hate the United States. Lopez Obrador hated us. He tried to expel all the D-Ages out of Mexico. They're not our friends. And they're being used by the Chinese, the Russians, and everybody else. Especially there's a lot of Russians, Chinese, and Iranians in Mexico right now.

I heard through another gentleman who is a journalist working in Mexico that the cartels got really pissed off when cocaine started getting mixed with fentanyl. people were getting killed. People were dying because allegedly that was the reason that I heard people were dying was because they were getting these these weren't people that were like seeking out fentanyl. These are people that were trying to use cocaine and it was accidentally tainted with fentanyl. And if your cocaine is all of a sudden causing all these deaths in America, well, that's not good for business, right? If you're killing your customer, customer base, the cartel is not going to be happy. Right. Maybe the Chinese will be if their goal is to kill people. but the cartels, they want money.

So I heard that there was like this big warning that was sent to cross Mexico to all the cartel members saying that like, stop lacing shit with fentanyl. We don't want to be killing people and they were like threatening to kill people over that. And from what I heard, it could be wrong, was that they kind of addressed that. And that might be the reason why the overdoses, specifically the fentanyl overdoses since 2022, 2021 have been going down significantly. Can you find a chart, Steve? All I know is that the chapitos were very much involved in the production of fentanyl. And all I know that has recently occurred as far as fentanyl was, as of about six months ago, the governor of, I believe it was Chihuahua, basically had been reporting a major fentanyl lab in her state.

I believe it was Chihuahua. And she wasn't getting a response from the, from Mexico City, from the government in Mexico City. So she got her state agents involved with DEA and the CIA, and they went in and blew up the lap. And in escaping out of the explosion, I guess, two CIA agents and two state police agents flipped the car and got killed. So it was exposed that CIA and DEA had been involved in the destruction or blowing up of that fentanyl lab. And the president of Mexico was very upset at the governor for allowing DEA and CIA to become involved in blowing up that lab. And from what I understand, the governor of that state that allowed it, basically was afraid that she was going to be arrested on orders of the president for violating Mexican sovereignty. She was more upset that she was leading DEA and CIA work in her state and had caused the destruction of this lab and was met at the governor over violated Mexican sovereignty by Native Americans working.

work in her state. And that's been all over the news in Mexico. What is the relationship of the current president in Mexico with Trump? Not good. They don't like each other? I understand they don't. Well, Trump is not happy with her.

Let's put it that way. So there's no outright that I know information, that they have arguments or whatever, but I do know that from what I hear from my government sources is that Trump is very unhappy with Shama's, basically cooperation. Remember, Shybaum is an atheist and she's a communist.

She's a socialist. She's not... She's the drugs, or hugs, not drugs, lady who's currently... Right? Hugs, not drugs? That's her thing? Yes. She's basically believing or stating that

she's going to fight the cartels with hugs, not drugs, as her former boss, the former president, Lopez Ovaldor did. He actually went Same thing I'm going to basically come back

to the cartels with hugs not bullets Abrazos no balas And that was like a huge period of time that allowed them to strengthen and thrive

Right As a matter of fact When Opus Olo first became president Within two months of his presidency He went and visited Chappoouzman's mother Twice

That's nice And I'll remind you That when that occurred It was back in 2019 Right after the scene, Aloa cartel had murdered 18 members of the Mennonite religious group. They were traveling to Mexico for a wedding celebration. They were intercepted by the cartels, and there was all women and children traveling.

And there were most 13 of them, I think, were executed. Babies were burning their baby chairs by the cartels. Americans? Americans. Yes. And Trump was very upset over it. and complained to Lopez Obrador, who was there present, 2019, it happened, November 2019.

And he said, hey, we got to do war against his cartels. And that's when Obrosevedor went public and said, we're not going to do war with the cartels. We're going to fight the cartels with Abbasos, not balazos. So what do you think, if you were in charge, what would you do? If I was in charge? If you were in charge of, if you had like the president's ear,

and you could make any decision you want, wanted as far as like combating the cartel problem and their destruction to the United States. What would you do? I would do exactly what Donald Trump is doing is going after the heads, going after the corrupt government officials. You go after the president. If he or she's corrupt, go after him, indict him and try to get him out like we did Maduro. That's what you got to do.

You got to go. You got to cut up a monster. Pull her out? Do it like a kidnapping of her? and extra or whatever, render her out of the country? Not only her, her and everybody else, all the other governors. Yeah, but my point is, isn't like, with the Maduro thing, we got Maduro out, but we didn't do a regime change.

It's just the same fucking, another head of the snake is in charge there, right? It's just that was all about oil. That didn't really change anything about the government or the people there. So if you rendered her out, like, wouldn't that vacuum just get filled by somebody else? Like, how is that going to change you? You know, I think, I think right now we have a very, very worried right now. They're on the run right now because we have indicted several government officials to include the governor of Sinaloa. I think that it's effective to go after

these people that create the cartels that support the cartels. It's time that we go after the corrupt officials. And if we have to bring them out like we did Maduro, then we bring him out like we did Maduro. Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to fathom because the corruption just goes so deep, you know, the deeper you go, like eventually you get right to, you know, you find a revolving door into the government of the United States that probably allows the shit to happen. That's my issue. Yeah. We're also corrupt here. Look at what happened during the Biden administration. Maybe even more so. We are more corrupt. Seriously. Look at... I mean, is there, does Mexico have their own Jeffrey Epstein?

I don't know how you can get more evil than that. I've never heard of a Mexican Epstein. Well, the only thing that is really, really bad about Mexico, and I'll mention it right now, is the fact that in no other place other than Oswas, have we seen incineration camps, gas chambers, where people were killed. In Mexico, four incineration camps have been uncovered. The last one was uncovered South Dakota, where there's evidence of over 400 people being burned to death. incineration camps in Mexico the shoes of all the people there there was like hundreds of shoes they're not even baby shoes where they have whole all whole families were executed they were burnt alive in this extermination camps in Mexico when I don't understand it this is major stuff occurring now and yet our

press Danny doesn't cover it nobody knows about these it's covered in Mexico incineration camps where people are executed. That's going on now. It's like a modern-day Auschwitz. Right. Right in Mexico. And they're just killing.

And who specifically are they targeting? Anybody that opposes the cartels? Yeah. Anybody that's arrival to our cartels, if you're like their arrival, let's say, to the Nueva Generations, they'll pick you up. Not only you, your children,

your whole family, and go kill all of you. That's how they come. control through fear. Right. Okay. And the ordinary people in Mexico, the regular people, they don't go out at night. They're so afraid of the cartels because the cartels patrol the cities. Can you find like a real article instead of like the Wikipedia?

NPR. NPR. NPR. Mexico in shock after discovery of apparent cartel training ranch and killings. Mexico has been in shock over the discovery of a ranch that was apparently used by the cartels for training recruits. Family members of Mississippi people say they found those bones, found bones and makeshift cremation ovens. God, that's insane.

That's what I'm talking about. And this was posted when? Go up. 2005. To the last year. Happening right now. That was the latest one that was just uncovered here about six months ago. That's an older one that they're describing in that article there.

But here's a thing. Why are we outraged by that? Right. Well, also, you know, some of the most horrific videos, like propaganda execution videos that we see from like the Middle East from, you know, like ISIS and shit. The ones that Mexico does, the cartels do, are a hundred times worse and more brutal. Like there was one I heard a guy talking about where they made a video where they surgically removed the guy's face. this skin and then cut his tongue out and then pulled his heart out still beating

all on video. There was one video where they had killed nine army soldiers and they decapitated them and they posted them at the plaza on their basically lying face down but their heads on top of their back facing this way.

Nine of them decapitated by the cartels. But yet the cartels are muted by a lot of people as folk heroes. They make corridos, narco corridos. And these are heinous

crazy people. Look at El Chapo Guzmani. He's a total sociopath. He's the kind of guy that can be cutting your head with his right arm and he'd in a sandwich with his left arm. No feelings. A sociopath is a person that can pass a

polygraph and lie to you because he's on fear of anything. They have no feelings. They have no soul. And they're also raised into this environment from a very young age, right? Very young age, they're raised into this very violent. So when you're a kid, when you're a child, exactly. And you're being told to take a gun and go shoot and kill people. That's right. Like, imagine, you know, what does that turn you into when that that's the way your brain is formed and it develops into this world? Like, there's no escape. Once you're, once you're raised, brought, you know, brought up into that. That's the way.

that type of stuff and indoctrinated into that violent culture from a super young age. There's no escaping it. You're fucked. No, yeah, I agree with you. And that's true. They are raising social paths every day in Mexico. Yeah. And they're also like, you know, glorifying it on TikTok and like making TikTok videos on like,

you know, who has like the gold plated guns and this El Mini Leak guy, the security guy for, for Los Chapitos. You know, they all drive around and like huge lifted trucks and have guns and stuff. They think it's cool. Like it's part of the culture there. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy how it's just, you know, how it's evolving, you know. And it's getting worse now.

People ask me from the time you were with DEA in the 80s and 90s, how has the drug situation gotten? What's the difference? And I will say this, it is triple worse. And I was when I was with D.E.A. in the 80s and 90s, triple worse. Nothing has stopped. As a matter of fact, the cartels and the drug situations has blossomed to the point, like I said, where these cartels are so rich that they're able to buy even biological weapons. They have all the sophisticated weapons that we have.

I mean, to go out and take out the cartels, even if we sent troops, it wouldn't be easy. They're ready. And they've stated publicly. We're ready for the Marines. come in we're waiting on them they feel they they have a they have a chance to do more with us because that's maybe that's why we don't fuck with them i don't know i can't answer that maybe that and the combined with the fact that some of the biggest corporations in the u.s rely on mexico to produce their shit Tesla for example you know they have huge huge operations going on in

mexico manufacturing their cars ford and not maybe not but a bunch of the huge car manufacturers, you know, and then other countries, I'm sure, have huge operations in Mexico that they don't want to get upset. If China is mining tons of minerals and lithium and shit in China and hiring the cartels to help them with that, and the U.S. gets in the way, you know, it's probably such a hornet's nest. It is.

It's a major problem. It's just starting to see. I mean, I don't know where we're going to hit. However, we're headed with this thing, but we're headed in the road direction in taking out the corrupt government officials in Mexico and any other country that's basically like Maduro. I mean, those are drug trafficking countries that are supplying drugs to destroy us. What did you think about all those stories that the news, the big news corporations were putting out there about these little, like single engine boats, like center console boats and. canoes, uh, trafficking cocaine from Venezuela to the United States and like blowing them out of the water. Did you think that? Did you, what did you make of that? They were, they were saying that all

these little, they were showing videos of these like, you know, like 20 foot fishing boats or 10 foot fishing boats carrying cocaine from Venezuela to the U.S. and saying that was the reason we had to do these military operations because of the drugs and the boats. I think that it's correct that we did that And I'm going to tell you why Because if we don't How are we going to stop it? They don't understand nothing but violence

Arrested him hasn't worked You know we arrest him and And then we have the liberal The liberals over here, the judges They just turn him loose It's not a deterrent Turn who loose? These people that get captured

Once they're arrested by the What do you call it? of the Coast Guard. A lot of them are term, are basically post bond and they end up back in their countries. So basically, I agree with that. I agree that we have to stop them. So I have a friend who's a lawyer and he, he actually, you know, used to, he's worked with lots of cartel members. Like, he gets flown, you know, first class to, uh, South American countries and go to Ritz Carlton to meet with like cartel bosses and shit and they hire him. Right. And, um, he's He was explaining to me he's like, and I don't understand the legality of how that works, but

anyways, he was explaining to me that all these like super wealthy cartel bosses that hire him to do shit, they never pay any repercussions for anything. He said all the people like the poor fishermen and the farmers, like the ponds of the operation, that are the ones like driving those type of boats, those are the guys that ended up in prison. Listen, the guys who are making all the money who are in charge, they live with impunity. Do you think that's true? No, that is true. Very true.

They live in impunity because why? Because they work and pay off corrupt governments that protect them. Yeah. And here you're right. It's always a poor guy, the low-class guy. The people that are the most desperate people. Those are the ones that get blown up or get arrested. Yeah.

And- So that's why that felt like theater. That felt like theatrics to me or like some that's something. That seems fake to me, that whole thing. And like who's going to take a single engine, a single motor boat, you know, from Venezuela all the way to the Florida Keys? It just doesn't make sense. Right. But it's happening.

And we have to, we have to, we have to stop it. Yeah, look at that thing. Where's that thing really going? I don't know. I just find it hard to trust the narratives these days. But Hector, thank you for doing this, man. I really appreciate it. You're very welcome.

Thank you for having me. My pleasure. And I hope that I enlighten some people and open up some people's eyes to the fact that we have a lot of corruption in our country also. It's deep. For people out there who want to learn more, obviously, the last NARC, you have a book and a movie that's out. Yes, the last NARC. I have a book, and there's a movie, the last NARC. It's streaming now on Amazon Prime Video.

And I want to say this is that I am very truthful in what I know and what I say. And I have no hate for anybody personally. I just did my job and took the evidence where it led me. I have no personal hate for anybody. And I don't have an actual grind with anybody. I just want the American people to know that what I've exposed here and what I've exposed in my book in the last dark,

it's all true. Because if it wasn't true, I would be in jail for subordination of perjury and perjury. I have testified to these facts not only in federal proceedings, but also in congressional hearings. I have testified before Congress on numerous occasions. So the facts that I expose are known

by our high government officials. Thank you for having me, Dan. My pleasure, man. I really appreciate it. And I very much enjoyed our combo. And we'll see what I can do about getting Felix in here to have a little pow-wow session. I would like a confrontation. I would like if we could get Phillies, Derry Reed and me.

Yeah. That would be wild, right? You were there. You will bring an ink old game. What's you going to say? We'll see what we can do. You think, okay, we'll see what we can do. Yeah.

Okay. All right, man. Thank you again. Is there anything else we should tell people about as far as how to find you or how to contact you or find? No, I'd rather not. I'd rather not be found. All right. Thank you. All right. Good night, everybody.