Danny Jones Podcast - #426 - "I Scanned Egypt's Labyrinth & the Results Got Me Exiled" (Scans Revealed) | Louis De Cordier

Episode Date: August 28, 2026

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Louis de Cordier is a Belgian researcher who led the 2008 Mataha Expedition looking for the Lost Labyrinth of Egypt. When he published the results in a scientific journal, he was blacklisted from Egypt. SPONSORS https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS https://labyrinthofegypt.substack.com *NEW* DJP MERCH https://dannyjonespodcast.com FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - The expedition that got Louis banned from Egypt 02:14 - Why Egypt's labyrinth is history's biggest mystery 05:03 - The Mataha Expedition 11:20 - Egypt was afraid of Louis' findings 17:46 - Louis' expedition was a national security threat 19:58 - The 1820 river canal that flooded the Egyptian labyrinth 24:52 - Consensus denies a labyrinth exists in Hawara 27:51 - They're excavating Egypt's labyrinth right now 33:39 - 2015 scans of the labyrinth 40:34 - 40m metallic object detected in Egypt's labyrinth 47:58 - Labyrinth's object could be a "circle of gold" 54:14 - How old the labyrinth could be 56:46 - New excavation methodologies to explore the labyrinth 01:01:48 - The Biondi scans might validate "power plant" theory 01:11:49 - Egypt's view on the Biondi scans 01:20:31 - The Pyramids WEREN'T tombs 01:25:54 - Newest study on Egyptian vases 01:32:39 - The Serapeum of Saqqara 01:37:43 - The Pyramids are older than we're told 01:43:49 - New excavations at Gobekli Tepe 01:47:42 - The Biblioteca del Sol 01:53:59 - Henrik Svensmark's cosmic ray research 02:00:29 - Younger Dryas was a cataclysmic solar event 02:09:41 - Earth Expansion Theory 02:15:33 - Louis' beekeeping project 02:21:10 - Mankind does not survive without bees 02:29:00 - Next steps in Louis' research Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You are like the OG explorer of the Egyptian labyrinth. So like way back and you did a crazy big expedition in 2008. Yes. That eventually got you banned from Egypt. Is that true? Yes. It's crazy. That is crazy.

How did this whole thing start for you? How did you get into, interested in this stuff? And then what led you to your expedition and And explain to me how the expedition went. Yeah, it's, for me, it came all in steps because initially I had no idea to end up organizing and coordinating whole expedition in Egypt. I started out like with creation of art. So for so many years it was into art installation, conceptual art. And I was making installations with radio telescopes.

capturing cosmic radio waves and then translating them to sound and light installations and then suddenly got like very interested in ancient Egypt and lost civilizations as well and I wanted to like contribute to to the whole field and then the whole aspect of ancient Egypt with lost civilization especially the labyrinth of Egypt being this giant hall of records the library of the ancients and got very fascinated about the whole thing and then suddenly yeah through too many contexts i ended up in egypt what sparked your interest in all this stuff initially it was just from from the the house of the imagination like this this not really like how egypt exists today in in the academic minds but egypt does this kind of heritage civilization

of way older cultures that survived the last Ice Age. And that got myself really, really fascinated by it. What got you interested in the labyrinth specifically? Because when it comes to Egypt, most people want to talk about the pyramids, right? The pyramids are the central focus, right? And there's been many really interesting books about the pyramids and different theories on what they were used for. And that seems to be where most of the attention goes to.

And there was even that recent scan. by the Biondi guy. I'm sure you're familiar with that. I'm sure we'll cover that at one point. Okay. But you have dedicated all your focus to this labyrinth. Yes. Why is that?

First, the pyramids are present. So for me, the big pyramids of Giza definitely sparked my interest because once I saw these and then afterwards visited them, yeah, I really felt that they are made and from on a whole other level than, everything that's done afterwards. So I felt also, again, like intuitively as an artist, that the people who designed that those buildings are, were operating from a whole other level of understanding.

But inside, besides the mathematical designs and all these very sophisticated integrations of the understanding of how the planet, works and so on there is no no written hieroglyphs there is no information there it's it's completely mute it's it doesn't say anything at all and in contrast to to that building are those buildings the labyrinth is the complete opposite it's always been described as being this giant stone library with over 3,000 rooms full of hieroglyphs the hall of records all the information of the ancients so the the big library Many, some authors also refer to the labyrinth of Egypt being the hard drive and the library of Alexandria, the software in the sense that the hard drive.

Really where all the information is like really inscripted in the walls. Wow. For like a very strong backup. Yeah. And it's also fascinating how all these ancient Greek people were writing about it. And they were saying, I think it was Herodotus who said that it was like even more mind boggling than the construction of the pyramids, the scale of this labyrinth.

But none of those guys ever got inside of it. No, no, there's no one in recorded history that we know of that has ever explored underneath the surface underneath that labyrinth, right? Is that true? Yes. Okay. Can you walk me through that first expedition you did in 2008? So I call it the Mataha expedition was a cooperation between Ghent University

and the National Research Institute from astronomy and geophysics and in Egypt. And basically it was a geophysical survey. So we didn't do digging, we didn't do, I would say physical exploration, but we brought seven or eight different geophysical technologies like GPR and electro-resistivity, gem-tem geomagnetics on two big plots one was like 100 by 180 meters and the other one very similar so at the time according to the National Research Institute it was the biggest geophysical survey in Egypt ever ever been done on an archaeological site.

So almost like 16 geo-physis were involved. Whoa. And you got like, you went through all of the hoops, the politically, to get this approved by, by Egypt's government, right? Yes, yes. And the antiquities, like Zahi Wass and all those guys, they were all cool with it.

Yeah. Wow. But the thing is I was... Are you the first one to do something like that? Yes, yes. Yeah. And at Hawara. and the last proper research I was Flanders-Pittry in 1888 and ever since the whole site was more or less like abandoned there were some how I say little missions but very shallow and intended to to discover or explore the existence of the labyrinth because Flanders-Pitry over a hundred years ago settled it for most of the academia saying from he discovered it

this layers at five meters below ground an enormous foundation plate like 304 and 244 meters which is like almost like 10 football fields big um all over this one plate one plate it really matches as well but the ancient otters were saying over that the roof of the labyrinth was a giant plane of stone and and how deep and that was five meters five meters five meters deep so seen Sinise ancient authors were referring to the labyrinth as like two buildings, I had two stories, each containing 1,500 rooms and the roof being like completely flat. I thought maybe that's the roof of the labyrinth or it might be the floor of this, the first layer and that the top layers is gone.

And that was confirmed by this research, the Mata He expedition. And they said from underneath that giant stone foundation, they found like hundreds and hundreds of rooms and enormous big walls and grid structures. So they confirmed the existence of a, yeah, still huge remains. And ever since I've been like trying to get back with the boots on the ground and, yeah, So give me an idea as far as like the volume of the entire labyrinth. What could you compare it to? Oh, it's it's yeah, like it's enormous.

It's like 304 and 244 meters, which is yeah, around like 10 football field big. So I don't know. 10 football fields. Because these like Herodotus describes that if you compile all the temples of ancient Greeks where are and it still doesn't match the magnitude of the labyrinth. And he also refers to the giant pyramids of Egypt. He said even those pyramids are massively big, the labyrinth surpasses them in greatness. What is the total height of it from like the base to the to the roof? According to the descriptions, let's say every meter is like every level is like around eight or

10 maybe 20 meters. Okay. But, but yeah, so that's what we want to find out. But the mother rock itself, which is around minus 18 meters. Yeah. What rock? What is that? So if you start drilling with cord drills,

and then you see that at around minus 18 meters, it's like solid rock. From there there's no debris and, yes, yes. The bedrock. And then later in came the satellite scans. It was like 2014 and another one in 2015. And they completely skipped the first 18 meters. And the first one conformed like four layers underground, minus 30 and then 60.

60, around 18 and 100 meters deep, enormous spaces. And then the second one, the British one, also reconfirmed it. And they added even way more other things to it. So that was a pretty a surprise and a shock for me. So ever since, yeah, we, I'm trying to, to, yeah, uncover it. If you enjoy watching our show on Spotify or YouTube and you want to be more involved, I encourage you to please come check out our Patreon community. Not only does our Patreon community get every episode you see on YouTube early, fully uncensored, and ad-free, but we're also doing Patreon exclusive episodes as well as live Q&As, and you can get your personal questions answered by our guests every single week.

For me, being able to collaborate and communicate back and forth with our Patreon community every week has been huge. And this is my way of saying thank you for the cost of a couple of calls. coffee a month. Now back to the show. So after you guys did that first expedition and you did all those scans and you've discovered all those giant rooms in there and how big the scale of it, the volume of it, and what did you do with the findings and the data? The first research was just published. They published it.

Published what? Like on a journal? Yeah, like a scientific journal and it was published online. And there was also like a workshop presented at the National Research Institute in Egypt. And up there the 48 Supreme Council, counselors were all present and we presented the whole thing and they were all very impressed and people from UNESCO were also present

and they said, yeah, we need to move forward with making it like a World Heritage Site. So to- What's UNESCO? UNESCO, it's the part, the cultural, wing of the United Nations, the UN. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's a pretty important international organization. And then because we had so much interest in Belgium itself, with presence on, that the Ghent University said from, okay, let's organize a whole conference and invite these Egyptian top persons like Zahawas and the involved people of the National Research Institute and people from University of Cairo.

So Zahua declined to come, but all the others came. And then we had this very big conference in Ghent with a completely overcrowded Aola, with 5, 600 people. And we had also a lot of press presents, like ABC, NBC, all the European press. And then it exploded. Also in the newspapers, like it was front page on all newspapers and some.

And then a couple of days later, I got this call from Egypt from the National Research Institute to completely pull it. Pull it from the journal. Yes, just pull it from the websites. I was not able to do any interviews anymore. and they were all completely afraid actually because they were threatened in Egypt and they were what threatened like they they get like threats the national research is rightening yeah so they they are part of the military complex and so so it's it was like considered a national security breach and then

he was furious and one of his friends professor gamrawi he called me and he said yeah we have like a very serious situation because you are put on the blacklist and you're not able to enter egypt anymore and it's a very serious situation because it's like going out of um yeah went completely completely south especially because the belgian king he came to egypt in a diplomatic mission and there he talked with the wife of mubarak the former president and the wife of mubarak was a personal friend of sahiawas and then the king had this this magazine where on the front page said like belgian discovery labyrinth of egypt and he showed it to to the wife of bimar she was like completely shocked and then she called sahawaz and then yeah it went all ballistic um

Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. That's nuts. Yeah, it was wild because as well at the university, Gantz, everybody was in complete panic, not to mention the people in Egypt themselves. And for me, the really... But you didn't do anything wrong. Like you literally got permission to do this.

Yes. And you did what any scientist would do. Yes. We followed the whole line of doing like a proper work job presentation of the Supreme Council of Antiquities. We organized the whole conference in Ghent University where all the scientists were involved and invited. And then it hits the newspapers, but where I think it really went how to say,

really became sensitive, is that the labyrinth suddenly was connected to lost civilizations and giant halls of, records and so on and and it that it left the sphere of normal archaeology now this was after graham hancock got banned or blackball didn't graham get banned from egypt too at one point yeah it was also all the same periods it was around the same time yeah there was this um but was your was your situation before or after graham got and got blackball do you know i remember that i was invited on the tours where Graham Hancock and Sahewas were going to,

they did it together and then there was this whole fight. So I don't know exactly when Graham was banned. Right, I don't remember either. But we are, I'm talking that this was like 2008, so, or 17 years ago. Right, before Facebook, Instagram. Yeah. I think YouTube was still alive, but it was like very primitive back then.

This was like MySpace days, like way before there was this insane online presence of alternative historians that are like talking about this stuff all the time. Like you were, they were actively trying to suppress it back then, which is so interesting. Graham Henko was very French. So now he's on Netflix and so on, but at the time. Yeah. And I was still in contact even with people like John Anthony West and trying to communicate my ideas to him and he was very interested. Graham Hancock, Robert Choch. So I've been with these person in contact

from almost like 20 years now. Yeah. So why was this considered a national security threat? I don't get it. I'm for many years, I was like, yeah, like thinking from why would that be like a national security threat? And I think it has like many levels, the first level is that you have an archaeological zone.

In the center of the fayum, we're around 10 million people living. And yeah, it's always about like protecting the area. And even back then there were standing with guns on site to trying to protect the local people from stealing antiquities. So that's what. Oh, really? There was armed militias surrounding the site. Yes, from the very beginning, our malicious militia. That's, I think, one of the bigger ones.

The other one is the maintenance of the status school, like academic. So from, you can do like, say, lots of spiritual things, but quite a lot of people who go to Egypt for spiritual reasons and they meditate and, but they're more or less harmless. But as soon as you come in and start to physically do things, that's a whole other ball came. And so far, we have quite a lot of research, even like Graham Hancock and Anthony West, and many who talk, but there are very few people who walk. And that was one of the first, I think, researchers in Egypt that went beyond just talking.

I can understand it from that perspective, why it would be a national security threat if you're uncovering some insane, huge archaeological site It's been untouched. It could incentivize cartels to go there and try to, you know, figure out how to excavate it, maybe drop a bomb on it, you know, and try to open it up.

I can understand it from that perspective. And it's also surround by quite a lot of intrigue and mystery, even conspiracies, because it's, for over 100 years, nobody was not only allowed to do anything, but it was also very difficult to do something, because in 1820 it was a canal duck over the whole side, which set the whole part surrounding the pyramid itself underwater. So since over 100 years, it's impossible to get down

because the whole pyramid is submerged. So can you explain, is there an image that we can look at to look at this whole area, like where it is of, it's Hawara, right? Yes. And there's one pyramid there. There's one pyramid. There's one pyramid.

Is there like a map or something that we can look at or like an aerial view of the... There are some old plants, I think it was... I think the Lepsius PDF from the historic map. Even if you just Google Hawara. Yeah, just Google Hawara, Steve. Let's just look at it on a map. Just go... just click on Egypt. Okay, Egypt. Oh yeah, so maybe can also zoom in maybe. Yeah.

So you go to the Faiyum. which is this leaf yeah so it's zoom in yeah yeah the fayum yeah there a little bit down yeah yeah yeah and and it's like a leave and it has like a and like a green part entering the whole thing yeah yeah right there there a little bit to the left yeah to and now bring the whole thing down a little bit more other side other side yeah even more more more more more more I see more more more yeah there in the left yeah oh yeah yeah Yeah, there. Yeah, there.

So up there you see the pyramids. Oh wow. It's a mud brick pyramid, so it doesn't look real. Where is the pyramid? That's the pyramid. Oh, right there, I see it. Yeah, the pyramid of Amina had. And then you see that this channel about something very weird about the channel is the channel goes uphill.

So in the past, there was no channel running across. See, go back in on it. Running across the side. So this channel was was, was, was, was, was, was, you know, was made win in the 1800s? 1820 just after Napoleon visited the site. So he had Linan de Belafons, the engineer who also built a Suez Canal. He was ordered to build quite some channels, water channels in the Fayum area.

And so instead of following the old part, which was running across the green area, he decided to go straight to the pyramid and then turn left. And in some ways it's considered as well like an archaeological mission because it's a massive undertaking completely across the whole side. And ever since the site is dealing with groundwater, especially the pyramids, which is very important because all these ancient authors described that the pyramid was underground connected to the labyrinth area. And ever since even Flinderspatri in 1888, over 60 years later, was not able to go down into the deeper levels of the... So was Napoleon trying to excavate this thing or something? Or what was Napoleon doing? The labyrinth of Egypt's being known throughout history as one of the most important archaeological sites of the whole world. And all of these people like Napoleon, they wanted to find out what the labyrinth was and if it's still,

there, Flinderspitri, the father of archaeology, his first mission in Egypt was to find a labyrinth of Egypt. All the other persons like Lepsius, Belsoni, all these archaeological legends were all trying to find the labyrinth, but none of them went that deep. And it's very confusing as well because the site was for over like 2,000 years a necropolis. So on top, everybody wanted to be buried sometimes it was a village sometimes it was built on top on top yeah all the way to a couple of centuries ago they were there was a activity there so it's really confusing the degree would they build a freaking river right through right through the middle of it exactly um and i think it was done intentionally in the sense that it yeah definitely was for for for water but but but

but that it did it for archaeological, how say, exploration, but as well to put the whole sites under water. So when they did that, it flooded the whole labyrinth? The thing is that it flooded the entrance of the labyrinth being the pyramid itself. Ah, I see what you're saying. And today, when Flinders Petrie first went down there, Like he did this crazy, very dangerous exploration of that thing, right?

Where he and a bunch of guys went down into it in the pitch black for days. And they were sleeping in there because, right? They were in there for a long, long time when they were exploring it, trying to find out where it went. And eventually they hit water and they couldn't go any farther. Is that right? Yes, yes. There's this blind passage and he was like going deeper and deeper

trying to find out even at the time he was like all the way till his chest in in in very salty water which was corrosive biting into his skin and so on it was trying to to go as as deep as possible and but the strange thing afterwards is that he wrote that from scanty remains he cannot make any proper conclusion but ever since his research, all of academia said, okay, Flanders, Petrie settled the whole thing. There's no labyrinth. There's no labyrinth. That's the consensus.

Yes. The academic consensus is there's no labyrinth. No labyrinth. And how do you just ignore, like, so they're saying that the scans that you made, they're ignoring them completely? Yeah, that's basically what, what they do. They say from those scans, they don't prove anything. So the only thing to prove it is physical,

excavation and with this thing of extraordinary claim needs extraordinary proof. But of course, yeah, it needs like an extraordinary investigation as well now. And that's what they have been blocking for 17 years. But the strange thing is that last year when I, now this year, last year I started up the I opened up the whole project again with going to sending people to Egypt. the map the archaeological ecosystem and start contact all these people from supreme council and all the people working for the government and so on trying to to see how we can bring it forward and talking to very high level academics and you're doing this yes yeah with my

foundation what's been the response so far it's response so far it's pretty i say impressive in the sense that we we designed how about a master preservation plan like a way from how to move the whole project forward very contemporary so not treasure hunting but really saying from okay we need to preserve the site the pyramid is having very serious issues with groundwater and erosion and so on and it was all put together in this master preservation plan and then myself the last so many months i spent most of in in egypt and as soon as i left egypt A week later, we got these phone calls from friends in the United States, Travel Grasian, because he was visiting the site with a tool group.

And he said, they are like excavating here and said, this is not possible because we need first to drain the site and do the whole process. And no, sure, they are excavating right now. When was this? This was in March, early March. Of this year. Yes. Oh, so you've been back. Yeah, I was back and I went back again. But at that time, they started excavating and they are still excavating and was complete shock so

from suddenly they jumped over the whole thing over the whole master preservation plan and first putting the site they had drained the side and and so now they are like full on excavating the Egyptian government itself from the the Faiume inspectorate and it's a very properly done archaeological mission and now they are at the first levels So they are like exposing giant megalitic walls and according to the interviews online they mentioned that they will go down as deep as they are able to go. Really?

Yeah. And they just started this in March. Yes. Holy shit. Do we have any images of this? Yes, yes. I think the recent... And so real quick, go back to that.

What is it going on in that picture where those guys are dragging that cooler looking thing? This is GPR. That was like part, one of the tools that we used in 2008. Oh, for the Madaha expedition? Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Wow. Is this what you're talking about? These, these ones, yeah. These were images from in March, so they are way, way deeper now. I think there's another one as well. Yeah. Holy. Yeah. Yeah.

So. What do you mean there's, oh, you're being sarcastic. Yeah, seriously. So it looks like they're just, you know, stones stacked on top of each other, right? Yeah, and they're still going deeper and deeper. And the ID, according to Ahmed Soaphi, these are like parts that they are recovering.

These look like parts of pillars and and it's completely done by the Egyptians themselves. So this would be, in your view, what are we looking at? What do you think we're looking at here in the context of the whole labyrinth? Like what would you imagine that this is? But this is not deep. It might be like only like two meters or so.

So and at around five meters is where this whole foundation layer is situated. And according to the geophysical research, Matai Expedition by National Research, It starts become really interesting at minus five. And then- Five meters under the ground. Yes, underneath is foundation layer.

And according to the satellite scanners, it becomes really interesting at minus 20 when they hit the mother rock. Because so far, this building is- The bedrock. The bedrock, yeah. So 20 meters down is like the floor of the labyrinth. So everything above 20 meters is built, like these blocks built.

But everything below 20 meters is carved out of the mother rock, out of the bedrock. Oh, yeah. Oh. So then it becomes like more like a cave. How many feet is 20 is a meter? A meter? Do you know what meter to feed is? It's like a yard.

It's very close to a yard. What's it? feet. A meter is about a yard? Yeah, 3.2 feet. So it's three, so one meter is three feet. So 20 meters is about 60 feet. It's pretty deep. Yeah. So, okay, so you think below 20 meters,

there is still labyrinth structure underneath 20 meters, but it's all carved out of one piece of rock. Yeah, the bedrock, natural bedrock. Natural bedrock. And above 20 meters, that's when they start to use stones to add to it. Yes, yes. I understand. And according to Herodotus, he was able to visit the upper layers, the enormous building.

Yeah. He was not able to go down the deeper levels. Why? Because there was no permission for him. It was only by the Egyptian priests and you had, those sacred crocodiles who were present sacred crocodiles it was the the culture of sobeck and we also know that the labyrinth is was there because of the the finicity of finicity of the crocodile polis the city of the crocodiles oh shit yeah um but according to to the the

recent satellite scans by by merlin burrows and geo scans the the the spirit The spaces below that are carved out of the bedrock are enormous. They are like one space is around 100 meters long, on 40 meters wide. So is this from your first expedition right here? No, this is from the latest satellite scan research by the makers who later founded Merlin Burroughs. Oh, this is the Merlin Burroughs. Yes.

And what year was this scan done? This was, I think, early, yeah, 2015. 2015. Yeah. And what are we looking at here? Can you break this down? Like, there's different colors. It looks like, it looks like a seafloor or something like that.

And I can see like little square sort of like imprints. and the ground. How do you translate this? First, it's the scale, if you know how big it is pretty and impressive. So it's so like the center, the central room there, the central thing. The the purple channel in the middle? Yeah, the whole thing. It's separated. It's like one one big space like a like an art room. Yep. Like the size of like. Punching on one of those, Steve. Punch it on like the left of the right one.

Yeah, it's like like a shopping mall where the altitude is around 40 meters. It's where you can see all the different layers coming together. And then in the center is this cubic space of around 40 meters and 40 meters. What's the cubic space? So that's 40 meters to 40 meters? The central one, they are there. This is the long one and that's the, yeah. Oh yeah, you can see there's a square. square right here. The square.

Okay. Another square right here and then another one right there. Okay. And you're saying there's the, then this center area is like the size of a shopping mall. Yes. We also, all the colors, they indicate different layers. So the yellow is at the top and it goes down then with orange, red.

And all the way. And purple. This is the inverted one. So it appears like the reverse. So yeah. So because you have also like a complete mode around the. Yep. The structure.

And that was very. Yeah. It has a shape of an omega. Okay. And. And, and that's very distinct. and was quite a surprise because the archaeologists involved

from University College London they immediately made a link with the motoron Sakara that they recently discovered as well. There are also quite a lot of references like very a lot of like pins like very sharp, pointy on the other one. Yeah, what is that? And these were

recognized to be Persian tomb shafts. Persian tomb shafts. There are shafts which go really deep, 30, 40 meters deep. And at the very bottom, there's a tomb. Whoa. Yeah. And so this is from later periods. But the main thing about the massivity of this building is that you have the central

atrium and what we hide for so much. years after NDAs and so on is that the center atrium contains also like a gigantic element NDAs you understand NDAs yes over over 10 years there's still some going around yeah who made you sign the NDA so it started with with the scanners themselves then the people involved and also it was not only NDAs towards ourselves but also well if you if we show these these images to to our other persons that they were not going to run with especially media people. Yeah. Because we had some really bad experiences before.

Because if you bring about these things and the Egyptian government and so on comes across them, it makes things really difficult to move forward. So one of the reasons why the first experience is the first experience, succeeded was that we kept as low profile as possible. Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah. Until everything was completed and you already did, process all the data.

Yes, yes. Okay. But if you tried everything to move it forward, and personally I organized several expedition applications myself, where I put like several years in to, in to bring all the universities together and they are always like rejected then you need to start doing other things to move the project forward one of them is yeah the publication of

what we have to raise the public interest and so far it's working because the Egyptians are now on-site excavating the question is still are they excavating with true intent to go down or it's just like planting their flag and later saying from okay we did something and we confirmed there's nothing um because so far they are still very shallow in in depth so because it only becomes very interesting minus 20 meters have you talked to anyone in egypt like officials in egypt about this excavation and how deep they plan to go? Or have you spoken with anyone? Yeah, that's what I do, like, full time, like talking to ministries.

I mean, since they started their current excavation. So far, yes, I definitely, because not maybe directly, because I have quite a lot of people that I'm coordinating and working, like collaborating with, or people within the Supreme Council themselves and within the governmental positions and they're also on it. But so far, it's still, for me, extremely difficult

to move forward unless that we have lots of support. Now, you said there was an NDA that you had a sign that you found an element in the middle of it or something? something? Yes. What was the element? The element is metallic, so not stone and not wood. So it's like an object. An object which is huge, for an object is freestanding. It's around 40 meters. 40 meters. 40 meters. It's... 120 feet. It looks at the whole atrium. So this shopping mall type of space is completely built around it. or that the the atrium is created to to put this thing inside and quite some speculations on what it might be did you have any any um scans that show this it's it's one of the scans is this

black black type of yeah on it's centrally on inside this big catram space yeah one of the scans that we were just looking at yeah so above it like the the former one yeah you you already Oh, I did. Tell me when to stop. Yeah, there, stop. And so at the above one, there, there, yeah, the black thing there. That. That thing, yeah. It's a little bit, how I say, bigger than it appears to be in reality. Even in the videos which you can also watch online. So the green is, the green represents what? The green represents, it's a kind of depth.

Yeah, it's like an... Deeper? The more blue, the deeper. Blue or the deeper, and green is the more shallow. Yes, and the very top is yellow and... And black? Black is... Around it is default.

But the little black specks are all kinds of objects at the shallower levels. Yeah. All the black specs are objects on the surface? Yeah, very, very close to the surface. It might be also like five, six, seven, eight meters deep. But the blue one is around 100 meter deep. So it's massively deep.

And spaces are also very, very big. And how deep roughly is the green area? I think the green area must be around 40 meters, 40 to 30 meters. lots of big black chunks. Yes. Some of them are just default. Other ones are artifacts and it concerns this

this kind of So what about those two bigger, longer black ones above it? Yeah. What are those? I wish that the makers was like here to be able to explain everything because he was the satellite scan expert. He is the one who Kalia was created and brought about the satellite scans.

So he used to work all his life for the Royal Air Force and he was working on one of these one of these sub programs like the special access programs relating satellite scanning at the men with Hill in Harrogate England. It's the biggest satellite ground station in the whole world. And America's also cooperating with them, the NSA. And so he was one of the topper levels people there. Specialized in first, he told me scanning landmines, and then they went deeper to see and scan by satellite bunker complexes in Asia and so on.

And also he was also involved in tracking submarines, so they were able even to see submarines with the satellite systems. And so when he retired, he became very interested in ancient sites and so on. So he was able to connect with my friend and co-researcher and Andrew Barker. And then because of the whole context of the labrambia is so extremely important and so on, he was able to convince several people who are still working at the Royal Air Force to process the images through their very sophisticated computers programs and servers because it needs quite some energy to completely process them.

And then they came out and that's... see appear is they call it like a master image it's a compilation of lots of different technologies together it's not just like one thing like it's not only like lighter or tomography it's a complexity of several of these technologies together and did he explain to you why he believes that that long cigar shaped black spot is metallic so according to what he said and the whole video is now on Odyssey as well is that he said that this element there is definitely metallic but he doesn't know exactly what kind of metal because he never saw it and he either speculated it might be also something else kind of or he calcum or Electrum

Electrum so Electrum is this this ancient Egyptian metal, which is a combination of gold and silver. It's been used in the past. It's a kind of alloy. And then you have, yeah, and the other one is called, like, I'm gonna pronounce it very well. Orchiculcum. And that's the mythical metal of Atlantis.

So the mythical metal of Atlantis. Yes. Yeah. How do we know about that? It's also in the, the text of Plato. Oh, Plato wrote about it. Yeah. He, um.

Okay. Or a calcum is a legend. legendary metal from the ancient Greek and Roman writings. Plato famously described it in Cretius as a precious gleaming red gold material mined in Atlantis, ranking second only to gold in value. Interesting. Oh, wait. It says, archaeologists discovered 39 ancient ingots of Oricaalcum off the coast of Sicily in 2015, confirming it was an early form of brass. Oh, that's wild. That's an interpretation, in a sense, according to Plato and other, they say it's more like the golden copper or that it was a very specific metal on itself. Some say now that it's like brass, a combination of zinc and thin. So do you think that thing could be like some sort of like big shrine or something like that? sort of like statue or idol or something we can only see it from from from above so we we don't know it's like like it's a stretch to make any kind of speculation to what it could be for sure it might be disc shaped

it might be like right we only have a two-dimensional view of the shape we don't know what the layout of it is or what what angle we're looking at it from yes so it might be like a shendering which is like an Egyptian amulet symbol might as well be more exotic like like the Stargate or which might be as well this mythical circle of gold which is coming out of the books of Albert Schlossmann he's one of these early French researchers that translated the book of death. And he was able to take out quite a lot of more information that most language were able to translate. Because the book itself is like a whole bunch of magical spells and only like 20% is understood. 80% is for most people just like magical spells.

They don't know what it means. And so he was from his background of being a computer decoder. able to to take out quite a lot of new insights and and and and so this guy's name albert slossmann Albert slossman is he still alive no he died i think even in the 80s or something oh wow yeah and and so he make references to the the circle of gold but more as a kind of mathematical tool to calculate cataclysms um earth earth earth cataculums at other earth cataculums at other earth cataclysms oh yeah yeah so the idea is you have a circle and you have this concept of the procession of the equinoxes around like 25 000 920 years and the zodiac system is based on it and

as well the the the 360 degrees of the of the circle which is all invented by by the egyptians so because if you divide 2,000 25,920 years, which is the whole full great circle. Yes. Then you come to 72. So 72 degrees is one degree, 72 years is one degree of the 360 circle. And when you're saying, when you're explaining the procession of the equinox, the way the way the earth wobbles when it rotates,

for a full rotation, 72 years, you're saying is one degree? Yes. Okay. Yeah. For, and it has 360 degrees. So 72 times 360 would be a full procession. Yes, yes. Okay. Yes. And then you have the ages as well. I think 72 multiplied by 30%, because 30, 12 times 30 is the full circle. And they come with 2,160 or something.

And that's an age. So now we are at the end of the age of Paiscus. And so the whole thing with the circle of gold is that it is a kind of tool to calculate these cataclysms, which happened on a cyclical base. See, that's what's cool. And that's also what's so frustrating to me about this. Our view of the past is so pigeonholed,

because academia, archaeologists are so pigeonholed because they're not, I mean, this is a general problem within all research is it's so they have their blinders on. There's no interdisciplinary outreach, right? Like you should have the people that are excavating in the archaeologist. They should be talking to geophysicists, astrophysicists, people who decode ancient texts and, look at different artifacts, try to figure out what they mean. So everyone can try to have a broader picture of the past and try to fit the puzzle pieces together to get a more clear picture of what was going on.

And I feel like that would be a way better way of trying to figure out what was going on. But it's not done that way for some reason. But it seems like at least you're trying to do that. Yeah. And I'm trying to push it even further, further, in the sense that now these texts are translated by linguists who have a poor understanding of mathematics or astronomy or astrology, not to mention all the other sciences, but if you are

able to feed this technology, I'd have to say these texts into an AI system that's very knowledgeable about all these sciences and he can calculate or it can calculate all very sophisticated astronomic programs and so on and then you start translating text from all these different point of views then you might get some deeper understanding of what's been written there so then maybe all these magical spells which nobody understands today might become very understandable and so that's why i also started the hawara data initiative so in the sense that we are now we have like a team of data hunters and they are searching for everything that we can find on Hawara but as well in the broader perspective and putting in everything into a digital archive and then in a later stage

we will start running large language models on it that we are developing so to better understand the bigger picture of what we are dealing with when do you think if you were to speculate the labyrinth was built according to normal academia it's it's built by aminem had the third well according they don't even believe it's there right yeah yeah or that it's like lost uh that it's completely quarried and and the ancient yeah like that it they just took all the stones and and they build it some something else with it and partially it's it's true in the sense that the whole casing stones are all gone and reused same for for the whole building itself at the top levels completely gone we only finds yeah remains but the whole under structure that's carved out of the mother rock seems to be like

designed to to resist time and we have no idea how old that is might even go all the way all the way for tens of thousands of years so we we don't have any idea and the biggest question today is that yeah that we we don't know what's there how big it is the only thing that we want to do is just go inside and and just start to have a look for ourselves what's there and that's the biggest challenge that we are facing so all those rooms inside all those big spaces that are in of the labyrinth are they all filled are they all full of debris and dirt and everything like that are they some of them still empty and open with air according to the satellite they are they are completely free of of sand and especially as well free of of water because many people think that because there is

like shallow water at the top that the whole building is submerged but the water doesn't go deeper than the bedrock itself so it's it's only goes like more or less like all way to minus eight meters there is humidity so far the the biggest concentration of underground water is surrounding the pyramid itself and the pyramid is also working as a wick in a sense that it's like sucking up the water and and that's why the level of the water inside the pyramid is higher than the surrounding water levels Right. Now, wouldn't there be a way to, I mean, I don't know how the whole process of excavation works. I'm sure it's very meticulous and they have to follow protocols and stuff like this.

But couldn't you like essentially just build some sort of like an elevator shaft down into it or like dig a hole in one spot and just see like where it goes instead of doing it all like the whole entire landscape of it at once? That's exactly what we want to do. In the past, they are here. is done in a very destructive way, creating big holes and very similar like opening up, like in the past, the whole intestines and putting everything out and then put it back in and suit every season. So now we can do non-intrusive archaeology, like with pinpole, like bore holes,

and then putting in cameras and laser voice scanners, like in a very sophisticated space age way. Yeah, like in the pyramid, right? They drill little holes like in the, in the shafts or whatever they did this long time ago where they stuck those cameras up the um the gate and brink shaft exactly so something very similar um but it's it's still a quite a challenge for for even our the the academics to move forward with because the the challenges in in egypt are very difficult on the aspect of heat and dust and and deserts and deserts

storms and so on so therefore you need to create some kind of field station research station where all these very sophisticated high-tech tools can be lived yes and so from there on so if we then drill a hole all the way down like let's say to minus 40 50 60 meters very narrow boreholes and then we can put the whole field station on top of it and from there we can go down and yeah if we can do it it in Antarctica why can't we do it in the desert yes yes I think I have also like a visual on the on the this field station research that I'm like developing oh the animation yeah the animation that have you proposed something like this to them I'm busy now with organizing a symposium just to present the whole thing

because at this moment they they are still doing our Archaeology like in the days of Howard Carter with very simple wheel barriers and buckets and primitive and very primitive in dust and with field notes and with paper and so on and very difficult task. So this is the animation. Let's see it. This is the animation of the domes on site of Havara. Yeah, this one.

Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, like a moon base. Yeah, it's a moon base. Yeah. So we create a field research station and that's what I'm now developing with several engineers because it must be completely autonomous.

And it's, yeah, we have like our own electricity, our own air filtration. And then the whole idea is like, we see here that we have a shaft who goes all the way, down and then we can would you send people down there initially I think first like nano-bird robots and and laser void scanners to to to map the interiors of these spaces so that we can have an idea of the size and the magnitude and from from inside we the whole idea is to try to find out like the way out and exit if we are not able to do so the whole idea is to to make more like manhole size to find a very brave archaeologist to be the first man in the labyrinth yeah i think we choose i think we should get flint

dibble to be the first one exactly he will be the neal armstrong of the labyrinth yes that's one small stuff like in a cage like uh in a movie of these sharks yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you That's incredible. What is that bird? Is that like a hummingbird you drew on there? Yeah, it was one on the... The NATO bird. The front page of National Geographic was a nano bird.

One of the very early flying drones. Oh, okay. Yeah. And for me, it was like, like, you know, very visual because it related to ancient Egypt and this nano bird flying and as a kind of surveillance. first entry what was your take on those beyondy scans

those scans that came out a couple years ago where that took over the internet by storm where they looked like these giant shafts underneath the pyramids with these like the boxes on the end what did you what's your view of all that stuff my view I was full was very impressed in the sense I worked with scientists

for a whole time, like the people from national, these geophysists, they are very knowledgeable about their technology, but they are not, how to say, the most creative persons on, yeah, inventing structures. In the sense, it's, it's very strange that somebody who's like very into satellite scans suddenly starts to develop a whole, yeah, how'd say, and like, like, the, like, the master's design of what's below Giza. Yeah. And as soon as I saw these images, I was very impressed,

especially because it made quite a lot of sense for me. For these, these things remind me to, they call it, campusters. You have this scientist, William Reich, and he developed quite a lot of Yeah, how to say the designs who've... Yeah, go to that one with the blue shafts.

The blue shaft. That's like the... Yeah, so he came up with this rendering. Yeah, but the other one was more representative. The... Yeah, this one, this one, yeah, this one, yeah, that one. Yeah. Because at the very bottom there is a massive block,

like a cubic block. Right. And that's very similar to those canvester. So canvesters are placed. nature and they are able to create organ it's this kind of scholar energy yeah and when i saw these these things i immediately related to even all the way to to the circular spiraling things are related to it and um so i thought from it it creates this thing is that with the books of christopher done yeah the giza power plant that it's all about vibration and with these things is that you have

the earth has its own vibration called the Suman resonance. And the Schumer resonance, yes, and the Schumann resonance resonates resonates with the Earth itself, but over time it changes. Like in the Ice Age, there was another Schumann resonance than we have now. So imagine that this is like an Ice Age structure and the Schumann resonance was different than today.

So what I think, if this is really there, that as soon as the Schumann resonance shifts again in its former resonance, the whole structure starts, becomes active again. Turns on. Turns on. It can capture heumagnetic and geophysical micro-vibrations and then the whole thing becomes a scholar generator which is concentrated in the top and it reinforces the the geomagnetosphere which protects us against cosmic radiation. And that's what we are having issues with these days.

The geomagnetosphere is losing a lot of strength and that's why we have like way more cosmic radiation coming in. And according to all this research, the input of geomagnetic, geomagnetic radiation of cosmic radiation. Cosmic rays. Yeah, cosmic rays creates clouds, but as well, more earthquakes. And it cools the earth. Cosmic rays make it cooler.

Make it cooler. Yes, yes. And it creates, yeah, climate change, but not in the way that we are being told in the sense that cars and cows. Right. It's create climate change. It's like a giant cosmic cyclical thing. And we are at the end of the interglacial. Sun is changing states or geomagnetic poles are also on the move.

We have big holes opening up in our magnetosphere like the South Atlantic anomaly. Right, right. And I think everything like starts to like fit together with the ancients and their messages that they wanted to leave behind, the pyramids, these giant structures that are in place to start kicking in. So I think we are like watching remnants of a very sophisticated, yeah, human past. I think so too. Yeah.

You're familiar with Land of Chem? Yes. Jeffrey Drum. Yes, yes. Yeah, he was explaining to me the beyond, that he was breaking down on the show, like the Beyondy scans and he was showing us like the raw data that they came up with their synthetic aperture radar stuff. And comparing that next to the 3D renderings that they created. And it was like a very wide gap.

And they were being very liberal with how they interpreted the raw data. And when he questioned the beyondie gentleman about it, he really didn't have like a good answer for like, he was like, why did you come up with this to this? He's like, oh, well, you know, we just, whatever. Yeah. There was no good. explanation for that. It seemed like they were just being very generous with their interpretation of the 3D model. And they also did a scan of the Coffray Pyramid with that same technology and did a 3D rendering of what the interior of the Coffray pyramid would look like. And there's all these like chambers, the size of the King chamber, King's chamber in there. And Jeffrey was telling me that those chambers we know for a fact aren't in there. So like,

Like he's making lots of mistakes on his other scans. And even with his scan of the Great Pyramid of Giza, it doesn't really match up. There's not like a direct correlation with the data he's showing in his 3D rendering. Like it doesn't align very well with what we know is in that pyramid. So it's like you're doing these scans under the pyramids. Like we see these kind of like, you know, it looks like these lines, these vertical lines,

these pillars that are connected. to it, but like these perfectly cylindrical structures that you drew with the boxes doesn't really add up. Like you're you're kind of like filling in the blank with your own imagination here. That was Jeffrey's whole take on it. And Jeffrey also believes that there's these iron veins underneath the plateau there. And he was showing photos of these iron veins that he saw in some of the pits. And he, I think he seems to believe it's possible that those,

those vertical shafts that we see in the raw data could be iron veins vertically going down underneath the plateau. Have you talked to him about that? Yeah, in the sense that I worked together with the geo scans and they came up with these very specific scans of Havara. And then suddenly we had these other scanners from Merlin Burroughs, completely different type of scan, the team. But they were able to, there were quite a lot of overlapping things.

So it was so. And now we, beyond these, at this moment, busy with scanning Hawara as well. So he's like, oh, is he really? Yeah. So I went to the conference in Italy and Bologna recently and we discussed this and he's like on it. So the next scan after Giza is going to be the, it's the labyrinth of Egypt. So and for me they always like add some. something more to it. So they are never the same. There are, while different type of technologies,

but I'm very curious to see what he's going to bring to the table at this moment. And he's going to do that strictly with satellites. He's not going to be on the ground there. Not on on satellites. So I'm not trying to focus too much on the specificities of exactly how, because these are, I think technologies that are like in their child's shoes. And so there might be lots of interpretation space there. But of course, if these technologies are used for scanning landmines and bunker complexes, the Lebanon of Egypt is something very hard to miss the same thing with underneath at Giza. So maybe it's not exactly 100% what's there, but it indicates quite,

something and from all the sides and the whole world i think giza and and and and and hawara are the most enigmatic and uh yeah yeah i think you're right about that um yeah i'm curious to see what happens with that i you know he certainly didn't do it the way that you did it you did it you were more quiet and subtle about the way you went about doing this it seems like he went he did it and immediately did this crazy big press release on YouTube. And I imagine that Egypt, the antiquities department in Egypt and the government didn't take that very well when he came out with that because it was everywhere. Have you talked to any of those folks about it? Yeah, definitely. About his stuff. What does their take on what Beyond he's doing?

It's more like the art of war. So it's, it's, it's, everything is related. So if you want to to attack something there, you create something big. Yeah. And then it's very strategically played. So in this way, the whole Beyond the scan helped the Hawara project. Because that claim from Beyond was so huge and so over what everybody was expecting. and it fascinated the whole world. But suddenly the scans that we were sitting on for so many years, literally over decade, what was way too big to present, because yeah, we are saying there is like a giant space in there,

of 100 meters on 40, but suddenly this thing that we were unable to communicate for so many years became, how'd say, less impressive, yeah. and although it's extremely impressive so in some way the the whole labyrinth's project was able to to yeah be be able to to push this in itself back back on the on the playing board have you ever discussed this stuff with any like mainstream scientists or archaeologists or Egyptologists like people who sit on in like the high ranks of academia less on the fringe side and like get their take on it or their view on it yeah quite a lot of these people

are inside the the mission Hawara project you have like Fakhri Hassan one of the very well-known georchaeologists he was co-designing the the Hawarra master preservation plan there are quite a lot of classically formed and educated its archaeologists within the team itself so and it's and it's very how that they are not how to say opposing the idea that there's a giant building there because in the whole area of the fayum there's an enormous spiritual center that's still missing the whole crocodile crocodile poli center for so many many thousands of years there must be something huge we have like the syrupeam which is very close by it's huge underground we have lots of things the serapium is pretty close to there yes okay yeah it's

very close and and and there we have hawara which is described as so many authors as being completely underground yeah and so far no research so yeah god it's such a mystery Like how old could that have been, right? Obviously, it's before any recorded history, before the Hellenistic period. If, you know, Herodotus and Strabo were dumbfounded by what this was and just astonished by what this could have possibly been and writing about this. And they didn't know it had to have been way before them, right? Because it was still way underground to what, like, the, you know, the surface level geologically was when they were around, you know, in whatever, 300 BC. 400 BC. So it's like, I mean, it's only up to the imagination. We can only imagine how old this could be.

There's nothing on earth that we know of, right? That is any kind of structure man-made that is that deep underground. Is that right? As described by the ancient authors, yeah. Right. Like Herodotus was 500 BC and then we have several others later like the odorous Sikoulos and he even wrote the Daedalus the father of Icarus who the Zylus who built the labyrinth of Crete first he visited the labyrinth of Egypt and then he got inspired and then later he built the labyrinth of Crete and theodorus Siculus wrote 2000 years ago that at that time when he was alive the labyrinth of Crete was already completely destroyed but the the labyrinth of Egypt was still there in its full magnitude.

So how was he able to see the labyrinth if it was so far underground? That's how Theodorus Siculus described it, two thousand years. I think at that time, the building itself was still standing. On top? On top.

Ah. Yeah. And so he modeled off the building that was on top, not off of what was down in the bedrock. Exactly. Because they didn't, they still had no way of telling that that was down there. It's same,

There was always some kind of conspiracy surrounding it, like mystery from what's there below. Visitors were not able to visit it or explore it all the way to today. There were some reports of Jesuit priests that explored the labyrinth. It's featured in this book of Albert Schlossmann as well, where he describes as well, four layers below ground. So it's, it demands, it asks for, for exploration and investigation. And it's still so weird, it crazy that we are 2026. Yeah.

And we're, what, 18 years ago is when you first started studying this stuff and going there and doing that first scan. 18 years ago. 18 years ago. That's crazy. And with steps. and and that we are still that humanity still doesn't know what's down there like only like some 20 meters possibly one of the biggest human information libraries that are in existence on the planet if we build that shaft the first if you if you get permission to build that moon base and drill down underneath

Do you know where you would drill first? Like what specific area? In a perfect world. If you could choose any location you wanted, where would you do the first hole? I would go straight into the atrium, straight into the... Where that big object is? Yeah.

Seeing it's like a no-miss zone. The other one would be the circular space. There's also like a cupola, the shape more or less of the pantheon it's like almost like 40 meters in diameter some a massive dome as well that would be the second yeah i would be terrified i'd be terrified that i'm gonna fucking open some sort of stargate or like unlock i like wake up that ufo down there it tries to like fly away or like i don't know it wakes up who knows yeah man it's all it's all it's all so Such a mystery.

And there's also, I think I heard recently that there's a new project trying to explore this hidden void inside the Great Pyramid above the Grand Gallery, I believe, right? Yes. There's a big jumbo jet size void that people have been trying to get into for a long time. The Giza Scan Pyramids project. Matt Beale is also involved of one of the sponsors. and it's a very Zahia Wals project. Oh, so he's involved in that project as well? Yeah, I think there was this discussion on Pierce Morgan recently

where Zahiwal was questioned by a lot of these alt media YouTubers and they were like asking from when are you going to go inside and you're like saying for the last seven years that you are going to go inside. And then he promised that definitely before June he was going to go inside. That chamber or that void? Yeah, so now we are at the end of August, so not yet. So I don't know. Hmm. What do you think the pyramids were?

I don't think they were tombs. Yeah. I don't think any rational person would think that. There's no, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. They never found any kind of, you know, amazing side and and and and i think they are you have the idea that they were very sophisticated like ristons books like power plants but i do think as well there is a very big level of of spirituality involved with the afterlife and and the nature of of reality and that they were very knowledgeable about these things and and the aspect of vibration and and so

I think looks so extremely smart and feel so sophisticated that I'm always very humble and impressed when I'm very close to them because these buildings are for me what keeps up my belief in humanity because today what we see in the world is so sad and so yeah and and and And when I watch these buildings are what we were able to realize so many thousands of years ago, it gives me a whole lot of hope and trust. I really like Jeffrey Dunn's theory of what the pyramids were, how they were chemical manufacturing plants for metallurgy

and for agriculture. I feel like that just makes so much sense. You know, they even, he even, he said it was very similar to the Fritz-Haber device that was a create, creating sulfuric acid. And like you can see they, they completely, they created a complete model of the, I believe the red pyramid. And they showed how the pressure system worked and how it created pressure.

It pushed the chemical into the pyramid through this bottom chamber and it shoved it up into the top chamber. And it's just incredible. Like the way, the way he lays out his theory, it just makes so much sense. And it's not some outlandish thing like a free energy. Tesla device or anything like that. It's like, huh, it's not, it's not tombs, but it's also not free energy, you know, spaceship chargers.

It's this thing that is for a very practical human purpose, which is to enhance agriculture and to help grow agriculture, to create clouds, to create a more fertile environment for resources and stuff like that, as well as for metallurgy. And, you know, those are the same types of chemicals what he describes in his theory that we use for metallurgy today. So it tracks because we have all these crazy stones that are around there that are like, you know, cut perfectly as if they're like some giant diamond-tipped saw cut them. And, you know, with different like marks that go off the beaten path. Like it's like they were cutting the wrong way and they had to like recorrect and they're so thin. You could put a credit card right in it.

And granite, no less. It's just so bizarre. So, yeah, I think that, I think his theory, like, for me is the most coherent one that I've heard on the pyramids. Although Chris Duns is fascinating as well. But you might maybe bring them together in the sense that if they are like explanatory, like the pyramids themselves the proportions are related to the circumference of the earth and the relationship yeah that's fascinating of the earth to the moon and and they are placed under the 30th I think long longitude or latitude point so imagine that the ancients were

knowledgeable about the creation of these fertilizers and then they say from okay we will use the designs of this thing and we incorporate it in the design of of the building, not therefore using them so as much as a fertilizer plant themselves, but saying from these are the blueprints of how you can can do it. So it shows how extremely intelligent they were by incorporating the designs, but not therefore specifically using it as the same thing with these pots. These pots look very simple, but as soon as you start, like, measuring them, they become extraordinary. And so these are a proof of what they are able to to do and and although they look very simple once you are able to understand and you have the knowledge

to measure these things and understand these things suddenly you start to it's like a giant book as well even without any words so same thing with these spots and maybe the the interior of of the these pyramids are how are blueprints of how to build how to use and how to use and how to create fertilizers but not necessarily they were being used as to do so yeah yeah um there's have you seen the latest on these these vases there's a there was a new study done by a gentleman who we had on the show where he got access to a huge uh collection of private a private collection of these vases that were purchased, as well as a huge collection of vases in like the Petrie Museum

and other museums that hold these things. And what he found was all of the vases that were perfectly symmetrical, like the most accurate designs were in the private collections. And all the ones that were in the museums were not even close to being perfect. And they didn't even have these little, lugs on them either so what his conclusion was is that it's more likely that the very perfect ones with

these little lug handles were modern they were made with like cnc machines and stuff like that but they did find some of the because it's very strange that they are they found like tombs and and mummies with holding these very sharp perfect ones together with other ones who's who are looking very badly done, even like painted, trying to look like the original ones. So it might be that if you as well related to the early days of archeology, like Flinderspetry, the University College London,

he was working for private people. So his expeditions were paid. Exactly. And so the best spots, because as a layman, you can see the difference between a perfectly shaped and a bad copy. Right. So I think that the early, in the early days,

the people who were sending people like Flandish Pitri out, they were in for the good stuff. Yeah. And not these bad copies. That's true. And they could have probably taken the perfect ones, the ones that they thought were. Somebody had this lady named Heather Lynn

was explaining this to us how like the very, the earliest archaeology was basically all these aristocrats and rich people that were just looking for artifacts to, you know, enrich themselves. Even to this very day, the most beautiful pieces are in private collections, I've seen private collections which are stunning. And of course we have very nice statues, the really bigger ones in museums, but the smallest ones certainly like these spots. And there are not so many either the perfect ones that are a whole lot of, a lot of, um, and you, you just,

a lot of imperfections, yes, but, and, and even so, if they even tried to, to copy them today, because then the claim would be that if the ones in the private collections are, are contemporary ones. Yeah. There must be at least already 200 years old and how were they able even 200 years ago to, to make such a perfect, uh, vessels. Well, the problem is you can't figure out when they were made, right? Because it's granite. Yes. There's no way to carbon date, how if they were made yesterday or if they were made 5,000 years ago. Right?

So, and then the other thing was that this guy told me was that all the perfect ones, none of them were with Aswan granite. So that's also very curious to me. Why wouldn't they be using Aswan granite? All the imperfect vases that were like very crude. Some of those in the museums were made of Aswan. But in the private collection,

the very perfect ones. Why aren't any of those made with Aswan granite? That was his claim. I don't know. I guess Aswan granite has a very specific look to it. It's like pink almost. Pink and there are also ones made of diarite and even very shiny dots on it,

which looks very metallic. And they also say that it's, you cannot really turn them, but they need to be like carved because of the nature of, but on the other hand, we have this kind of wheel type of, type of instrument which is in the museum in Cairo.

Like a lathe? Yeah, like a circular one, very sophisticated, super thin, like a machining type of part as well. Yeah. Right. Yeah, there's still so many mysteries, right? I used to think that this one was like one of the most, the craziest things. But like, you know, even in India, there's this just insane architecture in India. Like that one site that's carved, oh, this is the wheel you're talking about?

this one yeah that's also made out of uh of stone wow what yes this brings everything even up to to way higher level of of that's so crazy and and do we have a uh what did the academics say uh this was dated to do you know no see if you get saboo disc just just to google the sabu disk okay sabu disk ancient egyptian artifact uh from the first dynasty so 3 000 to 2800 bc that that was made out of stone. That's crazy. Wow. Yeah.

Imagine getting all the way done with this and you like chip the cylinder and it's- Well, look, they carved a number into it. Yeah, man. The mysteries are just never ending, you know? And that's like what fuels our imagination. And gets people like you so excited about this stuff and then motivates people to just into the past and see what all there doesn't need to be guardrails on this stuff you know there's no why

what's the point we should be encouraging people to be more creative and come up with more theories and be more open with this stuff and not try to you know with the the the way the internet has sort of turned this into this you know binary sort of like war with people who are you have two camps, people who are curious and interested in alternative theories and people who just want to stay in the academic lane and, you know, cast doubt and shame on everyone else who wants to just come up with other stuff and explore and open their mind to it. It's upsetting that that's what it's come to, you know, with the current stage of where we're at with social media and all that crap. But also the...

What is it? The serapium. The serapium is another thing. That's very interesting because you have these giant boxes that are in these, inside this labyrinth. It's sort of like a labyrinth therein. And these boxes are like perfectly square made out of granite, right? I believe, right?

I think it's diarite. Dyerite. Black stone. Giant black diarid. The most harded stone that exists. And there's like ice cream scoops. that are taken out of it in some spots. And I think Chris Dunn found out

that the interior of these diorite boxes are so perfect and reflective. It's like astonishing how perfect they are. And the outsides are kind of crude, right? There's scoops and stuff out of the outside. It's almost like, you know, his theory is, you don't, coming being as engineer, which is, he goes, precision,

there's no point in having precision unless there's function. Right? Like the you you only have to have things precise if there's an actual function to it right because you're trying to achieve a certain goal or a certain outcome. So is there's like you know the only explanation that he could think of think of coming from an engineering background is this precision inside these things had some sort of a function some sort of like a maybe a resonance function or or something like that. And then on top of all of that these boxes wouldn't need how would they even lift them and and move? them into this labyrinth system that they're there in you know they are they are enormous and and i think there are like over 22 or more of them have you been in there yes yes you know it's extremely impressive to to see them and and they found them all empty as well Mm-hmm. And the explanation is that they were, what, like coffins or something? For bulls, for sacred bulls.

That's what they say. But none of them contained any kind of bull or so they were all empty. No evidence of any kind of remains of anything. Well, I mean, a later civilization could have came and used them as coffins, maybe. Yeah. And who wants to be buried? It's such a giant thing. Right.

Yes. And coming back to the idea that the perfection goes together with functionality. I think today as well with the age of AI, it's way easier to make perfect things. So I think it might also be related to the way how they were able to make those things. So maybe the tools that they were using enabled them to make them so perfect. in some kind of way. There's this theory about the structures in central and South America, some of those big megalithic structures with those like marshmallow looking stones that are perfectly fit together,

that there was this red acid that they were able to find in South America that they believe, even some like very high level, archaeologists believe that they could have used this acid to put on the surface of the stones before they stacked them to help meld them together more tightly and make them like earthquake proof and stuff like that. And that would kind of explain the way that those stones seem to lock together in this strange way. I was just looking at this the other day. I saw this documentary on YouTube about this stuff. And I find that fascinating because you see a lot of the same type of stuff in Egypt

like especially the Osirion or Osirion or whatever where there's all these giant stones that are interlocking Oh that's not never mind Making it very earthquake proof as well Right right It's not anything you would see today Like these giant stones that are really hard

To cut and lift Like all like cut so strangely at weird angles But they all seem to fit perfectly and maybe maybe there could have been some sort of chemical thing that they were using like not only to hit the stones together but to create those scoop marks or those scoops out and also that big the stone of the pregnant woman or whatever that big giant unfinished obelisk you also see those scoops that are out of the bottom of that yeah like that kind of stuff you know maybe they were using some sort of some sort of like stone softening yeah yeah and that's that seems to be like the most logical thing that I can wrap my mind around to what they were doing. Yeah, like they stuck the machine right here and somebody left it unattended and went, yeah, right, they forgot to unplug it.

Yeah. Do you think that all this stuff, like all the pyramids that we see in Egypt are dated properly? Do you think, or do you think it's potential that they could be way older? I think they are way older. One of the only things that was datable according to me, was in the pyramid itself that are these shafts and then they found this this this wooden piece inside it yeah yeah yeah yeah at Graham Hancock referred as well in his books and and then finally they dated it and they said yeah it's contemporary to

to what we think today of the age of the pyramids but yeah I don't know yeah I'm I'm not really like willing to to believe that it's just 2,500 years old or something or how'd say 2,500 BC, so 5,000 years old. Yeah, I will need some more evidence, you know, to be convinced that the big pyramids are just 5,000 years old. Yeah, it is, it is, you know, going back to what Jeffrey Drum came up with, with his theory about the chemical manufacturing and stuff like that for fertilizer and agriculture. it's curious that one of the things that NASA said about colonizing other planets is that when we get there, we would have to create factories to be able to extract the natural resources of that planet because we can't just keep bringing cargo ships of new stuff.

We have to figure out how to make stuff there. And there already are astrologists that believe that life could have originated on Mars, especially like millions and millions and millions of years ago. go and could have migrated here. So that doesn't seem to be an unreasonable thing for high-level astrologists and astrobiologists. If human beings did start out on Mars and came here, they could have built some sort of factories for some sort of purpose in the desert using something that we could not possibly understand. millions or hundreds of thousands or even tens of thousands of years later. I know that's like the ancient alien. That's like the closest bridge I can find between the whole like ancient aliens thing.

But it does seem to make a little bit of sense. Yeah, definitely. One of the early books of Graham Hancock was about the Mars mystery as well, about the Sidonia complex on Mars. Yeah. With the DM pyramids and the phase of Mars. It's like a six-sided pyramid, right? Or a five-sided pyramid.

five-sided pyramids and he wrote a whole book about it and and the face of Mars nearby and then this also the the geometry of these buildings how they relate are very similar than how the the big pyramids of Egypt relate and also the the South American ones and yeah according to quite a lot of research they say that very early on Mars had had its own atmosphere and and so on so it might be like a possibility the humanity as you know it came came from another planet and it would personally it would be strange that they if they would be like coming in with spaceships and all these things yeah that they would build the big pyramids of egypt just only as a chemical plant fertilizer thing um so therefore i'm more into that they integrated the designs and and the knowledge as blueprints within

the design of the pyramids more than they were how to say using it right um just to prove how intelligent they were and how important fertilization and and the process of chemical right is um but it's surely opens up the whole aspect of of this lost civilization yeah to quite so come yeah yeah so uh It is fascinating the way the measurements there, though, like the angles of the sides of the pyramids and the whole circumference of the pyramid. What is it?

It matches like the exact circumference of the earth. Yes. That's just so. The golden section is also involved and the number of P as well. So all these mathematical codes are integrated in the design of the building itself. I myself, I created this.

I created this, call it the golden sun disk. It was a disc that I created to fund the whole project, the Mata expedition. And in there as well, I tried to integrate as much information as possible, the flower of life, the whole 360 degree, the whole system of inclinations and relationship to the procession of the equinox and so on. And for me, it really feels by that the ancients as well did the same with the big pyramids. It looks very simple, extremely simple, but the sophistication is at an unmatched level for me.

And you feel it as well when you're inside like the hall, the big hall. It looks like... And which big hall? Of the big pyramids. Oh yeah. The ground hall. on an archaeological i'll say on an architectural level and an artistic one and a spiritual one and engineering one it's it's like the culmination of what humanity can can do for me never seen

any building that is for me resonates at a higher level than than than that one so We just, their day, even found out that they just started doing a whole other section of excavations at Quebec Leitepe. And I hadn't even heard that. No, me neither. Yeah, apparently there was this whole area of olive trees that were right next to it. And they got rid of all the olive trees. And they started excavating all that, like this huge, huge area where they're already finding stuff. And they're saying that there could have been, like, that's could where the housing would have been for the civilization that was there or whatever, like right next to the complex with all the tea pillars and stuff like this.

Yeah, that's crazy. Find that, Steve. Yeah, right there. So this is brand new. Wow. So that's like the main complex right there with that sort of like dome. And they just, that's so where all these squares are, I guess, is where those trees used to be. And they removed all those trees and like they're already finding all this stuff.

All this stuff. Incredible. Yeah, it's totally incredible. Not even that deep either. No. Mm-hmm. It's just funny to me how it's like we're so worried about the narrative. We have to keep the story consistent, right?

Like it's almost like, you know, certain gatekeepers are afraid of more excavations because it's going to make it more difficult for them to keep the narrative straight, right? Like we have a specific timeline of history that's written in the textbooks that we teach. and oh my god we can't let anyone dig too deep because they're going to find stuff that's going to like like really throw a wrench into the story that's been told and what's been taught to everyone throughout history and you know like they look at it as if it's a problem which is so bonkers to me because it's a it's not like a hard science that you can measure right in a lab or or way or you know anything like that it's not objective like the like archaeology is based on telling stories of the past right it's a

very human things these are human beings that are doing this and there's just so much ego and and narrative involved in this stuff that it becomes a big problem you know it's like psychology yeah archaeology is is a soft science yeah yeah there are some hard elements like the tools and the But yeah and it's also a very weak one, the paradigm like 3000 BC prehistory ended, before 3,000 BC humanity was not able to read, right, no mathematics at all, and then 200 layers later we built the big pyramids of Egypt.

It's like starting out with a Bugatti-Sheroun as a first car and so, but apparently, academics have no problem with these issues but as soon as you start scratching and all these things come up it it's you know it's it's needs I think what they are like facing is a whole lot of pressure now and it's it's getting momentum that the whole paradigm that we are living in is going to completely collapse and AI and the technologies are seriously going to help in this.

Yeah, and you guys are using a lot of AI to sort of bring in different, different aspects, different, different, like, different, like, data from different areas of expertise. Yes. And sort of combine them and get a good 360 view. Yes. Of what's going on. Is that right? And is that part of your, you have this bibliotheca del Sol or whatever?

And what specifically is that? And is that, are using AI with all of that? So far, it was the complete. opposite of of AI in the beginning the whole idea of the bibliotheque of the soul which is a high mountain library in the Sierra Nevada mountains in Spain that I built it from some 15 20 years ago is that it was going to be or is a cultural arc in case that we had like a solar storm that would fry a solar storm that would fry all of civilization does the whole electromagnetic civilization that we're in so and

that we have like a backup in books and in records to be able to restart a civilization and that we we don't lose all our knowledge and so that's the origin of the the Bibliac Adult Soul that I built in in the mountains of Spain it's also surrounded by a whole how yeah like it's embedded in a very self-sufficient zone while a lot of people living there are off-grids and they are able to survive if in case there would be really yeah like a massive even a world war or or so like or a massive volcanic eruption or so how long did it take you to build this it took quite some years to prepare especially because it's at the altitude of two thousand meters above sea level it's one of the most remotest farms

in Spain. So we... Do you have any photos of it? Yeah, if you go online, you will find Bibliotheca del Sol. Bibliotheca del Sol. Yeah, it's in Spain. And so you have books in there? Yeah, over 10,000 books, but also seeds, like agriculture seeds as well. Oh, wow.

And it's just the tip of the iceberg because the library itself is an underground facility. Locally, the people say the bunkers, because it's so high. It's a doomsday bunker. Yeah. So yeah, there, yeah, the inside, the interior, yeah, that one. Oh, wow. It's very basic, it's a basic structure. Some seances in there.

Yeah, some people go there to meditate. Yeah, these are, yeah, we had some, we had some issues as well with, with squatters. Oh, did you really? Yeah, yeah, but that wasn't in the farm. Find some photos of it, Steve. Yeah, so I think if you go lower, maybe construction photos, you know, even more. Yeah, deeper. Yeah, there you had some construction photos.

Okay. If you go a little bit, yeah, that's the entrance. Holy smokes. So it's not designed as- Dude, how much did this cost? As a living unit, it's really designed to store information. Now, did you case it in something? Or did you just dig it right out of the mountain?

If you, I think if you went a little bit backwards, like back up, there was this thing, yeah, that one with the yellow, boards yeah that one so that's how it was built so I created a whole first like a foundation layer oh I see so you poured it and there is no metal involved it's all fibery barred so yeah so there's no induction currents might be able to to to weaken the metal or even like corrosion there's no no possible so this structure is also designed to to there's also a movie on the whole you made a movie about it yeah yeah

Yeah, it's online. It's called Time Capsule. And so far, it's, yeah. How did you decide what books and stuff to put in here? And so in beginning, people were able to send books, but I was receiving so many books, I need to start selecting them. And I start selecting them on their value towards like a future, future events or in the, because many books after such,

which a cataclysm might not be so worth. So these are like seeds, agricultural seeds. So to be able to start also farming and so on. And in some way it's like a mirror that I created in relationship to the labyrinth of Egypt, which is also I think designed to be a library in case that the whole... You think that the labyrinth could be something like this. Yes. a time capsule like a time capsule a backup in case of of a major world cataclysm because these solar

flares they happen all the time really like in 1885 we had the Carrington event which was an x 200 um if the Carrington event would happen today the whole civilization would be down completely fried but the Carrington event was very small compared to the Miyaki event was 400 years ago and Miyaki event was 10 times stronger than the Carrington. So we had like an X 2000. So an X 2000 would not even leave anything alive on the aspect of computers or something. Because initially if you have a solar storm, it's like a big electromagnetic tsunami who comes in and it's more the bigger transformers who are dealing and capturing all the energy

like the long lines and these giant transformers they fry but if it's a way bigger one then it fries us well fine electronics it's very similar to like an emp and electromagnetic pulse yeah and in in case of a world war when they start like sending intercontinental missiles the only way to stop those is using EMPs to like whack them out of course and so and and and it's very extreme thoughts but of course somebody needs to do the job of of yeah saving and preserving the the most important aspects of of of humanity and that's what i try to do there in the mountains of Spain yeah that's fast the solar activity thing is it interesting i recently had this guy from denmark uh henrik sensmark

you're familiar with him yeah he's fascinating so he worked his work uh inspired this cern cloud project where they are using that they're they're confirming his hypothesis that cosmic rays create clouds and he showed data that uh he believes that the cosmic rays create clouds and he showed data that uh he believes that the cosmic rays are equally responsible for the change in climate as human beings are. Because there's a whole chart from the IPCC on what contributes to climate change or whatever. And it shows the list of all the things

that contribute to it. And at the very bottom, it shows anthropologic, which is like human contribution and it's like the biggest one. And he was showing that the cosmic rays are a little bit less, but very close. close to being equal to the exact amount of change in the temperature as human.

But the thing with the cosmic radiation or the cosmic rays is that they create the clouds so it cools the Earth more. And his hypothesis or what I guess the data says is that when our solar system is going through a spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy is when there's a lot more solar activity. And that inhibits it. the solar activity pushes away the cosmic rays and pushes away the clouds and makes it a lot more hot. And when we're going in between those spiral arms

of the galaxy is like a big desert. So there's not much solar activity, lots more cosmic rays, a lot more cooling. And when you look at like the historical data of the climate and the ice caps on the earth, that's insane. And oh yeah, so this is what he shows. It shows the temperature change over time

combined with the cosmic rays, and it's almost a perfect correlation. Yeah, it's amazing. The only thing is that the timelines are so extremely big, like millions of years. Because what I like about his research is that he proved that cosmic radiation is affecting cloud formation,

which is really direct in days. But these things are like millions of years, but you have quite a lot of cycles in between, like the grand solar minima and the Grand Solar Maxima, like the Grand Solar Minima are solar cycles. They are very well known by climate historians and every 200 years we have a Solar Minima. So the last Solar Minima started around 1700, two years before the French Revolution. So when a Grand Solar Minima hits, immediately the climate starts to change and it affects food production. So two years later we

we had the French Revolution. 200 years before, that's the, so the 200 years ago, that one was called the Dalton minimum. 200 years before, it's the Mounder minimum, it's the Little Ice Age. 200 years before that, we had Spurter and then we had Wolf minimum. And so they are all having names. So the one that we entered now,

because we entered a new ground solar minimum, it's called the Adi minimum. And so these are very well known by climate and certainly solar physicists. And these are on a cycle of 200 years, but every 400 years they are bigger, so like a mounder minimum. We had almost over 100 years, no sunspots.

And then we have also the bigger ones, like every 800 years, every 200, 2,000 years. And they relate even all the way to ancient Egypt, because the whole effect is that in those sites, cycles, the sun changes state. Right. And then the Earth is bombarded with more cosmic radiation. And so this cosmic radiation enters and that creates that the polar vortex are going out of

walk in the sense they become like deeper and less stable. So we have way more droughts in the summer and as well cooler. times in winter it also changes and disturbs crop production again there's also way more volcanic activity like like at the early days of the of the one of these solar minima we had there's always related to extra volcanic activity like tambora and the krakato and the last century So from 1920 all the way to 2000, we were dealing with the ground solar maxima. So we had a very active solar activity, very comparable to the medieval warm period where we had a warm period in the Middle Ages where the Vikings were able to live in Greenland. So and then of course we have also these cycles like interglacials and ice ages.

So the whole ice age cycle is around 100,000 years. and it ends always with an interglacial for around 12,000 years. So now we are the variant of this Holocene interglacial area. So and the sun is changing states. And we have way more cosmic radiation coming in. And it's about to get on the geological scale, it's going to get very cold. It's going to flip.

Going to flip. Yes. What do you mean flip? So that we. we are going to enter, like mostly the end of such time, or at the very beginning as well, like the Younger Dries, it's marked by a major, say, cataclysmic event. Some say that's related to the impact of meteorites,

but mostly it's solar activity. So we might be dealing with a solar nova event. Oh wow. And that is, yeah, we... A solar Nova event. Yeah. So you think the younger Dryas was solar? Solar-based, yeah.

So I'm very into the research of Robert Chohaswell, who stacks quite a lot of proof that it's solar-based. Metrorists might be involved because in the sense if you have a solar event, then like the big planets like Jupiter, who are like the vacuum. cleaners of our heliosphere are not active then and earth can get some more a combo of both yeah come combo of both but definitely the sun is is is is very important in in in those cycles but even what Svenzvark is laying out that during those times of of these grand cycles during Ice Age's, we have a lot of, they call it, ice age, dust coming in our heliosphere.

Ice is dust is like way more particles. And we also see that during ice ages, this cosmic dust is stacking up in ice, and we can see it in ice, bore holes. Cosmic dust. Yes, and so, and now the cosmic dust is re-entering our heliosphere again, And our sun is changing state.

Many people say in the past the sun was more yellow, now it's becoming more white. And... So explain to me why there's more cosmic dust when it gets colder? So the cosmic dust is affecting the interior of our heliosphere. So the sun itself is surrounded by more cosmic dust, like more particles where the sun is able is not able to emit so much uh radiation but it doesn't only affect the sun but it affects every planet as well because now the earth is

is going through a state of weakening of of our heo magnetic field yeah but all the other planets are experiencing the same so you have like other planets like like saturnes and so you see that their constitution is changing. So it's not like on the earth that's experiencing climate change. And at a sudden moment there is so much built up of material around the sun, that the sun is affected by it and then it blows everything away. And that's what they relate to this giant kind of solar nova event. So in some way it's also being described in the bio,

Bible in the sense that the sun at the end of days becomes completely black. So it becomes like one big solar sun spot. When the sun becomes black, then it becomes really dangerous because then we are about to experience this massive solar outburst which affects the inner core of our earth. sense that this enormous amount of coronal mass ejection comes to earth blows away big parts of our of our atmosphere that's why the certain spaces or places on earth experience enormous cooling and and that mammoths are like flash frozen but as well it affects the inner core of our earth that the how to say the the the mama becomes so liquids that

we experienced huge volcanic eruptions like the 142,000 years ago that ended the Neanderthal. And so we had the explosion of the Campi Flagre in Italy, which is by the way as well now coming alive. It's a super volcano, very similar to the one you have here in America. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I've never heard that before. I've never heard this theory before. So when the sun becomes black, it's like a giant sun spot. Yeah.

And then that means that the sun is about to go through like some insane transformation. Yes, yes, yes. Where it's kind of like regenerating itself or something. Yes, yes. And then it's greatest. And that's enough to end all life on earth. Not ending. I'll like, we're still still here. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. Oh, we can survive that. We can survive. We, the reason why we're still here is, because we survived so many times these changes,

like these solar albers. Oh, so you're saying that that's why we hear these stories in the Bible and ancient stories of the Black Sun. Yes, yeah. But I think it does reset a high technological civilization. So like if there was like a very sophisticated civilization

at the end of the last Ice Age and experience such Nova, then everything, it's like fright and then we have the whole story of the people really bringing again civilization to to humanity the the stories of the quadsalquittals of cortickeys and noah and all that yes yes yeah and it's it looks at it's cyclical yeah and i think that's also the reason why today it's not really well known and i think that's also the reason why all these super rich people are building bunkers on the ground and the whole on all over

the world to prepare for for for these events that are upcoming and um how would this specifically tie into the floods the floods there is in in the crusts of the earth is eight to ten times more water than in all the oceans together so if you bombard the under the crust in the crust of the earth it's eight times more water than than in all the oceans together it's the whole primary water's thing, it's so inside the crest of the earth, eight times more. In the ground. In the ground.

So if you send an enormous amount of radiation towards the earth, that water becomes so agitated and steaming that it just like all comes out. And that might completely set the whole world underwater. So. Now would a solar event like this would be enough to melt the ice caps? That's another thing is that, so first we have ice caps.

If there is a solar storm, it starts to melt these ice caps at a tremendous speed. And it also can create, they call it like glassification, like melting stones. Right. Yeah, so that's also an effect that can happen. Yeah, it's... I had never heard this before. There's eight times the amount of water in the Earth's crust than the of the oceans combined yeah yeah that sounds so crazy and it goes all the way to the the

idea from where is water coming from because you have the idea of primary water so primary well so today we say yeah water is atmospheric so it it's it heats up it goes creates clouds and come down the mountain and it's a cyclical thing but where's water coming from so the whole idea of primary water is that water is created inside the earth itself as as as a a chemical process and it's primary water yeah and it comes out out of the the earth in kind of water volcano so certain places on earth like that we have in in spain like uh in there the water comes out and it's ancient water it's it's like very mineralized it's hot it's like aquifers yeah an aquifer is more like a store an underground storage of water um we do have like

giant aquifers under liby and so with what are that millions of years old And the same is, it's very comparable to oil, because there are quite some people who say that oil is biological. Oh really? Yes. So now we say, okay, oil is created by ancient forests. There were no bacteria at the time and it was compressed and it creates oil. But today we suck down how this, you know, oil feels completely empty,

and we come back 30 years later and they are refilled again and where is all this oil coming from so the whole idea that oil might be even regenerated or created within the earth as us because we also find oil at extreme deep levels like 27 kilometers which is not where we ever had biological growth. Whoa. That's crazy. Yeah. So, and there are quite some other things that are, that's the same thing with the Earth expansion theory, because now we think the Earth is like

solid. But, and we do know that we have like fault lines and that, yeah, that there are, that originally we had Pangaea like one piece of land and then it started going apart. But the aspect of the earth expansion theories, if you take the earth as like a three-dimensional puzzle and you start shrinking everything, all these land masses click together in a smaller earth. Right. Yeah. And it's like...

So the idea is the Earth is getting bigger. It's getting bigger. And it also explains why some kind, several of these dinosaurs are, they are way too big to live at the gravity level of today because they have like necks of 30 meters. and have birds who are way too heavy to fly. But if the Earth was way smaller, it would have made it possible. So the Earth is like, and it's also said that

every time we have such solar events, that the Earth starts to grow. And that's also why all these... And gravity gets heavier when the Earth gets bigger. Yeah, stronger. Yeah. Whoa. So how does solar wind tie into all this? Because the solar wind coming from the Sun,

coming from the sun somehow creates like the Van Allen radiation belts around the earth. Is that right? The sun itself has its electromagnetic field. And the earth itself is like a giant generator of, and it's fed by the energy of the sun by like umbilical cords. But the sun itself is also connected to the center of the Milky Way.

And the Milky Way is again connected, so it's like all interconnected thing. The Van Allen belts are like protection shields of the earth. Right, right. Yeah. And then we go to the heart of the matter, that matter itself is just non-existent in the sense that it's electro-magnetism.

Like it's like, and so if you have like, an enormous amount of energy coming into this, it's matter starts to become created. And that is one of the explanations why the earth is growing. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy, man.

There are other options as well, they say from mostly it's like iron. And if you start, if iron starts to rust, corrode, it multiplies by eight in volume. But the earth expansion there is, is, It's very, yeah. Is this a super fringe theory that's not accepted by many scientists? Or is this sort of like a mainstream thing?

It's well documented as well that certain parts of the worlds are connected geologically to the others. And if you start like shrinking it, it all matches perfectly. So the whole idea that Pangaea, which was now the idea is that we had like a big ball and this was one landmass in the middle. there, there, and everything was water surrounding it. And then it starts to splits through, through, but if you just make pangia, the whole ball, with some lakes on it and you start growing it,

then it gets like the whole other. So is Earth theoretically the only one that's expanding, or do you think all the planets could be, is this, according to this theory, do they think all the planets could be expanding as well? I don't know, because some of these plants are just gas, gas bolts. They're just gas, yeah.

Yeah. So. Well, maybe that's what happens when it gets so big. It just turns into gas. Yeah. And then the, yeah. Yeah. It's, it seems the, it seems most likely to me that there's this theory that if all the plants

are expanding away from the sun, that, you know, if Mars was once in the habitable zone and Earth was more like where Venus is, that, you know, life would have to jump back to to the planet that's close to the habitable zone. Right? So like maybe in like millions and millions of years, Venus will be now where Earth is aligned with. And then we will have to do jump back to Venus. What is this, Steve? It's a, oh, thank you.

Can I open such one? Oh yeah, there's cold ones out there if you want one. Oh, it's fine, it's good. Oh, this is a weird animation because it shows the land covering all of the surface. Yes, so the, that Bungia is not like, piece of lands surround by water but that panjia was the whole ball itself and there was no water on the surface no water on the surface and the water is created by the planet itself as well so that

because now the whole theory is that water is entering through mitrides um one by one uh but if if the earth is able to create its water then we have like a whole other story yeah well There's, um, allegedly there is, there were, they, they believe, astrophysicists believe that there was more deeper and bigger oceans on Mars than there is currently on Earth. Like in ancient Mars, there was probably, what's the stat, Steve? They think it was maybe eight times the amount of water, the amount of volume in oceans on Mars than is currently on Earth, which is very interesting. Like, where did all that water go? Did the planet just die? What are you doing with bees?

Yeah, bees. I'm a beekeeper. Uh-huh. Yeah, it just started as part of me being an almond farmer in Spain and for pollination of my almond trees. And I got into bees and, yeah, one beehive, two beehives. And then I started doing arts projects with bees as well, more as a way to help peace deal with with pollution and and and all these things so pollution yes bees are today bees are

having a lot of issues with with these crops and and chemicals that they use so the bees go to these crops they they bring in the nectar and when the winter start they start eating their own pollen and honey and then they started poisoning themselves with with the food they were collecting in the summer and then you have these buy-offs of beehives and it's a it's a big thing because bees are very connected to to humanity everything that we like to eat like apples and it's pollinated by bees and for me bees also became very the way how a beehive is also organized because many people think we have a queen bee but the queen bee is not the queen she's just like the breeding mother all of the organization of the hive

is not hierarchical it's it's coming from it's organized from from the middle so this whole beehive organized itself from the middle there's no there are no directors so and and which is which i find really interesting uh to study towards how how humanity can function as well as as a as a as a unity like all the other bees made with the one bee no so the to start with most of the bees are all female as well you only have they're all female yeah very few drones drones are male bees so that the majority are females. And the difference between a queen bee and a normal bee is that a queen bee is,

in essence, a very normal bee who is fed some queen jelly. So you take a normal little bee and you start feeding it another kind of food and it becomes a queen bee. This is only based on the food. So you can also compare it with information so that if you have anybody a normal person, If you feed this person special information, then yeah, you create something else. So and the whole organization of the hive is not coordinated by the beach. The queen beach, she just lays eggs. There is no coordination there.

It's the whole hive who self-coordinates. So how do they all know what to do? and how do they all stay coordinated? That's, yeah, what I find so interesting. So how does it function? How does it work? So they communicate by dancing. So they dance.

And they're also extremely resistant to a whole lot of things. They are existing for over 100 million years. They're able to survive all these cataclysms. Even like La Palma, we had this volcanic outbursts like several years ago and several weeks later under the sand under the ash, they were able to uncover a whole set of beehives and all the bees were still alive inside.

It's insane how hardy these animals. These have been on earth for hundreds of millions of years. Yeah, yeah. And they're very inspiring. That's also why so many free Masonic and secret societies are using the bee as an example. of how humanity can organize itself. Yeah.

It is something weird here in Florida with bees a couple of years ago. One of the universities was, they were doing some sort of weird study. Look it up, Steve. I don't remember much about it. Just type in Florida University B study. I had to do with bees and electromagnetism,

like 5G and things like this, or had it to do with Yeah, it might have had something to do with electromagnetism or non-native EMFs or something like that. Because in Europe, with the 5G, bees are very sensitive to electromagnetism. Really? Yeah. And they also say that the bee die-offs, which are huge, are related to 5G and the electromagnetic pollution. Really?

They get disoriented and so on. So bees are like the canary and the coal mine. Yeah, regarding pollution and electromagnetism and food and the whole thing. Yeah, what happens if the bees go away? Well, Steiner said, Rudolph Steiner, when the bees go away, humanity is about to die as well. Because without bees, mankind cannot survive. So that's how important bees are for our civilization. And the Egyptians knew that very well.

Really? Yeah, because the bees were a major part of their culture. They were cultivating bees. There were also, there are bee hieroglyphs. And the bee itself in Egyptian culture was major important, as well on the aspect of the metaphysical. Yeah. And specifically because that they're pollinating crops

and spreading agriculture. Yes, yes, pollination, agriculture, food. And also, yeah, like the myth of physical thing is that a beehive is considered as a unity. So when it swarms out, it becomes like a cloud. And there is not, there's no an idea that these bees are, how say, single identity. So they operate as a whole. Like a hive mind. Yes.

because in the past now we have bee space so we can put in yeah frames and we can harvest yeah but in the past the harvest was just like killing all of the bees and then taking out so these very cozy scape hives that you can see the way that they were able to harvest it was just killing all of the bees and now taking out so now we are yeah the beekeepers are doing it in a way more Yeah. And the issue that you are dealing with over there in Spain is the crops you're saying they're sprayed with like insecticides and stuff and it's really harming the bees. Yes.

So the bees today as well like in France and in Europe and America, there is so much, yeah, there's so much chemicals being used that it weakens the bees. and it's very hard for them even to keep up maintaining their own beehives and then they collapse. So and that's something that started happening around like 20 years ago. With the and also like mites coming in, but the mites, many bees are able to live with these mites, which are like blood-sucking little animals. and but the more natural the bees become back again like they call it like the the killer bees which are like very aggressive bees and which are you cannot really do bee keeping with them but they

are able to survive very well because they're way more aggressive against these these mites as well because we also started breeding bees way too big than they are designed to be the bees in the past were way smaller little little bees so now we started like breeding them all the way to giant bees to collect more honey and as well it has to do with the food because normally if you the bees bring in honey nectar but we steal all the honey and then we put in like just like sugar water and that becomes their food so So it's, yeah, you can really see the link with how humans are feeding themselves as well. So have you seen those videos of guys in Africa climbing trees and literally like grabbing the honeycombs out of the trees and they're completely covered in bees? Like they somehow do it and they don't even flinch. You see this guy climb up like a 30 foot tree in Africa. and people are filming it and this guy is covered from head to toe in bees

not flinching at all, grabbing all the honey and he's literally eating the beehive as he's on the tree covered in bees. Yeah, what they do to... In the past, the expression of milk and honey, now we have sugar, processed sugar, but in the past it was not something that sweet as honey

so they wanted to almost die for being able to eat some of that. Right. Substance. Right. And honey was, yeah, some kind of food for the gods, in some kind of way. Yeah, I just can't imagine, you know, those guys being able to go through that amount of pain just to get some damn money. And what does that do to them, you know, getting all those, getting all that bee.

I don't know if they put out like any venom or anything like that, right? A bee sting. Is there any sort of thing that's injected into you? Yeah, bees, but they have also tricks, because if you start using smoke, and that's what the bees, they see smoke, and then they, this old survival mechanism kicks in. There's a fire coming up, so then they start collecting all their own honey. And as soon as they start collecting all the honey, they become harmless. So they don't sting. Oh, really?

Yeah. That's one of the, why they, yeah, you see that they use smoke. Yeah, to fumigate the bees out of there. And sometimes you also see these images of people completely covered under bees. Yeah. But when a beast warms out. These guys aren't doing it. These guys are covered.

These guys are protected from head to toe. Yeah. What was the fearless and far had a video on this. Oh, he did. Yeah. I found a dude that's doing it without a shirt. Without the shirt. Yeah, but he's wearing face protection.

This guy's a pussy. And that looks like AI as well. I wonder if these guys that are doing this could develop some immunity to it. If they're constantly being stung by bees like that, you know? Maybe they evolved to be immune to bee stings to where it doesn't bother them anymore. And the past you had also bee shamans. Be shamans. And they use bee stings to get high?

To get high. What? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, he won't, he just can't find it. And the same with the drums, because now we have like auditory drive journeying of the Mongol shamans. They was like drums, boom, boom, boom.

But during the Middle Ages, when the church started to put all these people literally on fire, the only people who were able to continue were the beekeepers because the beekeepers also have like a drum, but it's a metal drum. like a pen and they were able to to keep on drumming because they said that that the drumming themselves was not for shamanic reasons but for revitalizing the beehive itself so in some way it was they were able to to move through this kind of Goldilocks zone of being able to keep on doing their yeah B shamanism and not being prosecuted by the church.

Wow. Yeah. That's fascinating, man. Is there anything else that we should talk about that we haven't covered so far? That's interesting. Yeah, we did cover quite a lot of things. We've covered part of that.

What's next for you? Do you have any, are you working and do anything in the works that you're planning on doing soon? Or any like thing, any updates on future expeditions that you're going on? on or so yeah i'm moving forward with the the labyrinth of egypt project with the realization of this field research station get it on the ground and and getting in i'm also involved in in the geesea project yeah so trying to figure out what's below the the ground up there so below the

pyramids below the pyramids yes yeah to get into the the underground there i'm also involved in this project in in in kusko with the wikana system near saksua hoaman wall they found his underground's yeah labyrinth which which is in between the saksa human wall yeah and the and the and the city of kusko yeah yeah there's a natural little steam as well at this moment active there and and through through this data archive AI project I am setting up. Everything is being connected to each other. Fascinating, right? Well, thanks for doing this.

It's been a fascinating combo. Thank you for making the trip. Where can people find more of your stuff? I know you have a substack, right? Yeah, have a substack. It's the labyrinth of Egypt. I have also my foundation which is called the Mataha Foundation and also cooperating with the Archaeological Rescue Foundation in America. It's also like a 501c3 and it's like a cooperation, the realization of rescuing archaeology.

Rescuing what? Archaeology. Oh, okay, cool. All right, cool. Well, we'll link all that stuff below. Yeah. And thanks again, dude. This has been fascinating conversation.

I really appreciate you making the trip out here. Yeah. Many things. Many thanks. Yeah, we'll have to do an update down the road when more stuff happens with this labyrinth. Okay. Okay. Great.

All right. Thanks again. Good night, folks.