Danny Jones Podcast - #431 - Top Freediver: Something Scary Is Happening In the Oceans | Valentine Thomas

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Valentine is a world-class spear-fisher, freediving instructor & author. https://www.instagram.com/valentinethomas SPONSORS https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/zralgyl0 - Download Cash App today. https://GLD.com - Use code DANNYJONES for 40% off. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS https://www.instagram.com/valentinethomas *NEW* DJP MERCH https://dannyjonespodcast.com Get paid to make clips from the show: https://discord.com/invite/dannyjones FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Freediving while pregnant 03:29 - Abandoned NASA base on Acension Island 09:19 - Bull shark encounters while fishing 15:15 - Valentine’s tiger shark encounter 18:16 - Why shark populations are exploding 23:35 - The tasteless fish that is useless 30:51 - Tracking seafood with blockchain 32:57 - The truth about farmed salmon 43:11 - Most of Earth's biomass is farmed animals 51:39 - The sweaty t-shirt study 55:06 - How birth control changes your partner selection 59:13 - Overfishing in Europe vs. America 01:08:27 - Facial recognition monitoring bluefin tuna fishing 01:11:03 - Florida’s controversial fishing quota system 01:19:47 - Spearfishing around Gulf oil rigs 01:21:36 - Freediving vs. scuba 01:26:05 - Manny Puig’s handmade hunting trident 01:33:36 - The fatal Cocos Island shark attack 01:38:33 - Shark influencers are lying to you 01:48:14 - The shark attack in Egypt 01:56:02 - Valentine’s theory about environmental activism 02:03:55 - Austrailia's new social media law 02:05:42 - Fishing channels are getting in trouble 02:09:08 - Australia’s proposed algorithm opt-out 02:11:25 - Phones & dangers of EMF exposure 02:16:48 - Genetics' role in longevity 02:21:14 - Lindsay Clancy & post-partum depression 02:28:15 - How Valentine learned Spanish 02:33:16 - What recreational fishermen can help sustainability Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thank you for coming. The world's most famous spearfishing lady in the world, who is now landlocked. Yes. Tragedy. We were just talking before we started this about you, you're pregnant now, and you were just spearfishing off the coast of Florida. And you were saying that there's no studies on like the dangers of free diving when you're pregnant or how deep you can go. but I had this lady on the show a couple years ago. I don't know if you've heard of her, but she's like a well-known DNA expert

where she studies like different tribes in Indonesia and Australia. And there's this group of people, this nomadic fisherman group where they live on the water and all they do is free dive and hunt fish. And they've been doing it for so long that they're actually like evolving in real time. and she measured, she did all kinds of experiments on them and like measured their spleen and like looked at their blood and like all different kinds of things. And like one of the things she found is their spleens are like three times bigger than normal humans. And these people, they literally free dive and get in freezing cold water when they're, you know, nine months pregnant. And they go super deep.

They stay down forever. And like it's just, it's wild to see how. These people are literally evolving in real time because they spend so much time under the oceans, hunting for fish and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, this spleen thing is super interesting, actually. And it's, it's, I've actually Google, how can I enlarge my spleen? Really? I was like, well, they're pulling your breath. They're pulling onto something.

All right. But, no, I don't find anything. You can find some spleen enlargement doctors. Yeah, exactly. Forget the tits. I want that one. I want a bleeding mutation. Oh, my God.

That's hilarious. Oh, man. So you used to live in Florida. I used to live in Florida. You lived in St. Pete. Yes. I miss Florida all day, every day. And you were born here?

No, no. You were both in Canada, right? Yes. British Columbia, right? Yeah. Quebec. Oh, Quebec. Okay, right.

And then you moved down here when you were pretty young? No, I moved to the UK. So I lived in London for seven years. Then I moved to Florida. Okay. Okay. And when you got to Florida, Is that when you got into fishing?

No, I got into fishing in London. Oh, wow. I made friends with probably the only people in London that spearfish, and they just dragged me and they forced me to try it, and I really liked it. And six years later, it became my thing, I guess. What's the ocean like in London? How do you spearfish over there?

It was bad. I mean, it's not that bad. We were doing like the Channel Islands between the UK and, France. So it's not too bad water. It's cold, but you have really big bass so that's like sea bass. So it's still kind of interesting. And yeah, it's not, but I traveled mostly. Right. For spear fishing. It was not really a UK thing. I don't like cold water. I hate cold water. Yeah, I hate cold water as well. I'm retired. My seven mill wet suit is retired. If I need it, I don't want to go. You were telling a story, you went to some crazy like military island or something,

for one of your first trips, one of your first dive trips? Yes. So it's pretty much like if somebody started running and their first time running is doing an Ironman. It was a crazy island and I got there twice actually. And it was just gigantic fish. And it was just a very interesting experience. It was really, I got into it really quickly.

So you couldn't fly commercial there though? You had to fly on a military plane. Yes, you have to fly in a military plane. They sell a very small amount of tick. ticket for civilians. I guess if you want to go see your family, there's one hotel on the island, and then that's it.

What's the name of the island again? Ascension Island. Ascension. Ascension. Ascension, like an Ascension. Okay. Is that near Easter Island? It's in the middle of the Atlantic.

It's kind of a middle of nowhere. It's north of St. Elena. So it's... So you can find a map, Steve. It's divided by the U.S. and the UK, so they share it. Is it? Probably. Yes, Central Island, there it is.

There's a NASA site on that? Yes, they have a NASA thing on the top. It's abandoned. It's super freaky to visit. It was amazing. What was the NASA? It was like an observatory or something? I've heard...

Punch it on it again, Steve. I've heard of this. where they monitor the landing on the moon. Whoa. It's a crazy... Are you serious? Also known for his birdwatching. It's just called Old NASA site.

That's funny. Old NASA site. It's like abandoned. It's crabs everywhere. There's like grown, like vines growing everywhere. It's a very weird place. So the top of it is a rainforest. It's kind of constantly in a cloud.

Yeah. And then the bottom of it is very, there's very, desert it is not a love of vegetation. It's a very odd place. Why the hell would they monitor the moon missions from this island? I have zero idea. That is bizarre, dude. Steve, can you find that out?

Can you see photos of the NASA thing? Maybe. No, dude, Google's street view car is not going out there. I promise you that. The devil's ash pit. But there is some tourism, so maybe somebody posted photos of it. Yeah, Steve, do some research on that NASA side. I want to find out more about that.

So when you went out there, how did you guys get out to the spots? Did you take boats out to reefs and stuff? There's one guy who lives there, I don't think he still lives there, who was taking people's pivoting. No way. Because they realized that, yeah, they realized in middle of nowhere. There was gigantic tunas and big wahos, and it was just really, the spot got overblown after, probably the 10 years after too many people came. That's a wild way to start spear fishing is shooting Wahoo and tuna.

It was a big trip. Also that I was extremely nervous in the water. So it's my first trip. It's like, all right, let's go drop you off. And 200 feet of water at like 50 miles of shore. You weren't kidding. You went full sprint. You didn't even start walking first.

NASA uses the Ascension Island. in the mid-Atlantic ocean because its unique geographic location fills a crucial tracking and surveillance blind spot. The island's position near the equator and its remote dark skies allow specialized telescopes to monitor deep space and track orbital debris that other ground stations miss. So why don't they use it anymore? That's a great question. We're just going to abandon it after the Apollo missions?

It closed. Right. I mean, it makes sense. there's a giant ocean in the middle of the way. Yeah, of course. But like all of the biggest telescopes are different areas. The original Apollo era NASA ground tracking station on a session on a close in November, 1989, long-ass time ago, because it was made obsolete by newer satellite technology.

So now they use satellites. Yeah, but still, if that's in like the most ideal spot to get images of the sky, why not have an observatory there? Maybe it's a pain in the ass to ship everything to that tiny little island. Yeah, maybe, right. I mean, it's like thousands of miles. Yeah, that's true. The boat is going to take a while to get there.

That's true. Yeah, I can see how you got hooked on it doing, you know, jumping into crazy remote areas like that into the blue water and shooting tuna and Wahoo. I got scared. Right. I wouldn't say I was like, it was a lot of sight. Why were you scared? You weren't adapted to it yet.

That's why you were scared. You were kind of like a fish out of water. It's something. It's, you can. There's things that scares me that a lot of people, wouldn't be scared about it because they used to it. But now being surrounded by 20 sharks doesn't scare me because I've done this many times that I don't care. No.

No. But when the tourism started, when the spivishing tourism starts picking up, sharks started showing up. Now, a sudden, people were going there and they were showing photos and videos of them surrounded by hundreds of sharks. I went twice and haven't seen single sharks. Fans will make them dance. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah, it's getting crazy.

It's getting out of control here. Florida. Crazy. It's, now you just have spear guys that go out there and the giant

bull sharks are there within minutes as soon as they jump in the water and they just go out and shoot those Kobe around the back

of these giant bull sharks. It's insane. Especially in a shallow water. If you see a boat already in the spot, there's going to be sharks for sure.

Have you, have you ever done that like shooting Kobe off of giant bull sharks and tiger sharks like those guys do? I've done it two days ago. You did?

Really? you were shooting off the back of bull sharks? I saw this nice cobia and then there was a bull shark next to it and I was like I haven't shot a cubby on a while. I was like you're a psycho. I don't think I would do that.

My friends were a little bit not too happy because the shark followed us. The pregnant ladies chasing the bull sharks. The pregnant ladies chasing the bull sharks again. Get her ass back to the boat. But funny enough, like all the sharks, all the spots we were going to

about a mile from each other. And the okobia were with three big bull sharks and they followed the boat everywhere we went. The sharks did. Yeah. So the three same sharks followed us to the next, I think, three or four spots. With their cobias at least. Yeah. But then sometimes they turn around and they come back and check you out and they want their fish back.

You know, what do you do then? Well, we got out of water. They chased us out of the water. Yeah. Pretty much. I got to show you this video. You've probably seen this actually. I'm going to see, I'm going to send you this video real quick.

I'm sure Valentine's already seen this video, so it's probably not going to be new to her, but this would be great for the viewers to see. This is basically what these people are doing right here. Like these people have no fear and they're obviously not afraid of dying. Basically what this guy is doing is he's like probably 50 yards away from his boat. and he shoots a, I forget what kind of fish it was, he shot something off the back of a giant tiger shark. And then the tiger shark circled around on him.

He goes to the surface and he's screaming to his body like, pull the anchor! Yeah, that's the closest I've been to getting eaten by a tiger shark was here. Oh, really? Actually in the Tampa area, yeah. Oh, God. Knock on what I've never seen a tiger shark around here. It's their spots.

They're very, they live in a spot. It's not as migratory to other. So like we say, oh, let's go to this spot. And then we notice is where the tiger shark is, which is just being a lookout because there's a tiger shark living. Isn't there like a crazy pier in South Florida where there's all these tiger sharks? I don't know. There's like these videos, these dudes drop gopros underneath this pier

somewhere down south near Venice, I want to say. And there's just dozens and dozens of tiger sharks swarming this pier. Venice, Florida? Venice, Louisiana. Venice, Florida. Yeah. I can't remember. You have to look it up, Steve.

Is it a panhandle? No, Venice, down south of here. God, I can't find this freaking video. I'm so pissed. I mean, hey, you know what they say? You know what to figure out if they're shark where you're going. Here it is. I found the video.

Sorry about that. Steve, I just sent you two videos. Play both of these. So where did you, where exactly were you when you saw the tiger shark? I was diving off Hudson. Hudson? Yeah, a little bit more. Okay.

How far offshore? Not far because I was in about 15 feet of water. This is the first video. That's the first video. Okay, look at this. What's going on here? He's yelling at the boat. What are these bull sharks?

Yes. This is probably on the East Coast. St. Shark, Shark, Shark. Okay, go to the second video. The second video. That's a tiger. No, wait. That's a bull shark.

You find the second, oh there you go. Watch this. Look at this tigers, big fat tiger. She's this cobia. Oh, what, what happened? Shoots the cobia. Help, hold the anchor here. He's like, help, hold the anchor.

And look, the tiger's coming back, sniffing the cobia. He's like, ooh. He takes the cobia. Oh. No, that's nowhere near here. That's probably a 15-foot tiger shark? Why? Why?

There's no, it's not necessary. It's also very shallow water. It's not worth the cobia. I have a thing, yeah, no. I have a thing with tiger sharks in shallow water. No, no thanks. About a year ago, I received a text message about an unpaid toll. I paid it without even thinking about it, and then it ended up being a scam.

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Everybody was experienced. Everybody was kind of like doing the own thing, which you know, supposed to do. Good, great business. Yeah. It was fine. I showed a little hogfish and it was kind of far from the boat so I clipped it to my gun

and then I was like, let me just go back to the boat and I'm reloading and that way I can fish if I see something on the way back. And then this baby shark, baby tiger shark, when I say baby,

it's like five foot maybe, five or six foot. And then he started just circling me, circling me, circling me, and then he rolled his eyes back, you know, and started like protecting its membrane and he started charging

and charging. And charging. and charging and charging and charging. Did you have fish on you? I have a fish on my gun. Okay. I have a 90. So I'm like,

I'm trying to push it away, and I'm trying to aim for like the eyes, the gills, everything that could possibly hurt. And actually I've never shot a shark. Never. No. So I was just wondering, what would I shoot it?

That I was going to hurt enough that he's not going to try to eat me? You wouldn't want to shoot it because then you would no longer have your spear. Exactly. But if he's trying to eat me, I'm not winning either. So it's a very big It's a tough game to play Because it's like at what point do you try to kill it

If he's trying to I know a lot of people are thinking Oh but you're in the sharks habitat Doesn't mean I'm going to let a tiger shark eat me Right That's just not happening Right And people that say that I'm sorry

But if your mom is swimming on the beach And the tiger shites comes Your reaction is not going to be like Well I guess it's fair enough because she's just swimming in a shark's habitat. No, you won't. You're going to be like, oh, my God, fuck the shark. Like, my mom needs to survive.

Right, 100%. Anyways. Yeah. Little sidetracked. Yeah. But yeah, and then my friend arrived, and then by the time we were two, the target sharks started losing confidence,

and he did a couple circles, and he left. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's crazy. I've never seen a tiger shark diving or spearfishing before. I think probably the, I think probably the, I've seen bull sharks before never like checking me out, never getting close to me.

If that, if that happened, I would be walking on water. I promise you that. Well, don't do that. Don't turn you back to the shake. I have no interest. I have no interest in chasing sharks just to catch Kobe. I mean, it's just, it's insane. And, I mean, sometimes it's just to just pop up, let's say, if we're four in the same

spot. And then my friend shoots a shark, a fish over there. And then my friends who are attracted and then they come. And then sometimes they're just going to follow you to the surface and then they're just going to. Yeah. And also, you know, the fish, I don't know what's going on with the fish populations in Florida. But I believe the last time I checked, it's like the over since the 80s, the populations have been diminishing. And sharks are becoming more accustomed to spear fishermen.

and those two things combined are bringing them closer in to shore. They're making them more accustomed to chasing spear fishermen around and trying to, because they want an easy meal, right? So I think the combination of those two and commercial shark fishing, there was a new law that I think banned commercial shark fishing. Now it's only recreational, so you can catch like one shark per boat as long as it's the right species. I think Alabama is the only spot, though, you can still do that. commercially now.

I think before the 70s commercial shark fishing was a thing. And then since they banned that, the shark population has kind of exploded here. Yes. I mean, nobody knows what the real reason is, because of course we can't ask them. Right. But there's more fishermen in the water, which means, like you said, there's more attracted to things, and then there's less fish. So is that because why are they getting more aggressive? Right.

It's probably a mix of everything. There's not a lot of shark fishing tourism here. How do you add? I said, how would you even track that? Like, how would you know? I mean, obviously, you can tag big sharks, right? But how do you track the fishing, like the fish population? I don't understand how they do that.

I don't know either. Noah is definitely very cautious under assessment. It's pissing off a lot of people. I think it's kind of a good thing. I'd rather be cautious. and like a group of season is very short. And now they're everywhere. So I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing.

And I understand how it's frustrating for recreational fishermen because that's what you enjoy to do. But at some point, everybody gets your hand in a cookie jar. They're going to be no cookie left. Yeah, but it's like at what point do you bring back some shark fishing? You know what I mean? Like allow spear fishermen to shoot sharks, maybe have like some commercial shark fishing within reason.

And, you know, as long as it's not just chopping the fins off and discarding the body and wasting it, you know, because there's people that eat shark meat. There's lots of things you can do with the body of the shark and the organs and the bones. And, you know, I'm sure they can figure out a way to make money off that. For sure. I mean, there's so many factors. Right. When you think about the water temperature, you think about the cycle of global warming, whatever you think is a cause of global warming doesn't even matter when it comes to this thing because it's, it doesn't matter. It is warming up.

Is this why it is more sharks? There's so many factors out there that it's hard to be like, it's a fisherman's fault. Oh, it's global's warming fault. Or it's the lack of commercial fishing for sharks' fault. It's probably a mix of everything. Yeah. And it's just, I think it's going to be extremely hard to pinpoint the exact reason for it. Yeah, it's very complicated.

There's so many factors that contribute to the populations of these species and where they go, where they migrate. their behavior, all that stuff. But it's, you know, all of the animals in the ocean from the whales, the birds, the insects, the sharks, all that stuff is like the machinery and the life support system of the earth. Like the earth is this spaceship hurling through the Milky Way galaxy. And what's keeping the environment here and the oxygen here. here and the whole balance of the life support system that is the earth is those animals. And the interesting thing about that to me is those animals don't need humans.

If humans were gone tomorrow, the earth would be fine. The earth would sustain itself. But if all those animals were gone tomorrow, the life support system would collapse. Yeah. And so they don't need us. We need them to survive. And it's like some people will say, oh, wow, you think the value of a whale life is more important than the value of a human life? No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that, you know, we are like this alien species here and we don't fit into the ecosystem that allows this the earth to live and allows like the living conditions for us to survive and all that stuff from the phytoplankton and you know how that contributes to the CO2 and the oxygen and the in the water and the temperature and it's like this crazy delicate system and and all of those animals from the insects to the whales they are they're like the engineers that keep this thing alive that's an interesting thing what's that we have no purpose yeah well we figure out we find the whales is it the wass that have no purpose too the wasps I think there's like there's one insect that has zero purpose. Really?

Yeah. It's like, huh, I wonder which one that is. Probably mosquitoes. I could definitely live without those. Yeah. What is that fish that's like absolutely pointless? There's a fish that like nobody that's, it's tasteless.

It's a deep sea fish called like a pad, is it maybe a paddock? Is that right? I don't know. There's this tasteless fish where it's like a cold water white fish. And what they started doing with it was taking the meat and spraying it with this chemical scent and then doing this white or this red strip dye, stripe of dye on it. And they started selling it as crab. Oh, Pollock. Pollock.

Yeah. That's what it is. Oh. Pollock. So there's this useless fish that we figured out how to monetize because it tastes like shit or it doesn't taste like anything. And now they sell that as crab. So when you go to a sushi restaurant and you get a California roll and it has that crab stick in there, that's Paul. That's Pollock.

It's not real crab. No, it's a fish. It's literally a fish. They sell Pollock filets now. Do they really? Yeah, they sell them. Have you ever had it? That's what a McPhilet is at McDonald's.

It's Pollock, too. It's Pollock? Of course. No shit. I had no idea. It's used for vast markets, like McDonald's and things like that. No way. Now they try.

And tilapia for that kind of stuff. No. So now the public industry, it's cut in Alaska. It's called Serimi, right? Yes, serimi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're finding used to it because it's a very sustainable fish to cash. I mean, Alaska people will disagree on that.

But yeah, they use it for mass consumption. Yeah. And then the Antarctic Patagonian toothfish. You know what that fish? Chile and sea bass. Sea bass, a.k.a. Chilean sea bass. Yes. The most expensive fish at the grocery store.

That's crazy, that story. So it's a deep water cold fish. It's off Patagonia, and it's got a goofy name. So they renamed it Chilean sea bass. It's not a bass, and it's not from Chile. But that name is like a marketing term to add value and to get people to buy it. I mean, it's pretty good. Oh, it's delicious.

one of the best fish to eat. It melts in your mouth. It's amazing. Awesome. But I would be happy with it being calling a Patagonian long tooth fish. And it's just like the, you know, it's the same story with the spider crab. They renamed the spider crab in the 50s to Alaskan king crab. Oh. That does sounds better.

Yeah, it does. I mean, even a grocery store right now, they're selling. You want to eat a spider crab or an Alaskan king crab? Right. They did the reverse on a fish called, so, Sable. It can be sold as sable fish or it can also be sold as black cod. Oh, really? It's cheap.

It's probably like $13 a pound maybe at a grocery store. It tastes very similar to chilling sea bass. It's awesome. It's just one of the best fish you can buy there for the price. Yeah. And it's sustainable. And I don't know why they, maybe they do it, sable fish. So people will buy it less?

I don't know. That's crazy. You know. Yeah, if it goes through store, that's, that's if you, and you see sablefish, grab it. That's cheap. It's awesome. It's so good. Really?

Yeah. There's lots of controversies in the seafood industry. Yes. It's definitely not a black and white industry. No. The problem is just greed. Greed in politics. Yes.

Gets into the seafood industry. The bigger problem gets when you get outside of, developed countries. So when you go in third world countries and you have extremely serious problems such as modern slavery and like literal kidnapping and murder and crazy stuff happening on boats. Yeah, that's next level. That's crazy. Where it's just lawlessness.

You know, there's like, I'm sure you're familiar with that thunder ship, that big pirate ship that Paul Watson was chasing for like 100 days. And he was changed. chasing them and they were they were running from Paul and he was like with Interpol like documenting the whole thing and at one point they just dropped their net which was like a 70 something kilometer net that weighed fucking 50 tons they dropped it in the ocean and they tried to rescue it and it took them like I want to say like two or three weeks to get that net out of the ocean and it's all monofilament plastic.

And the amount of those traw those super trawlers that dragged those giant nets all around the ocean are crazy. And then finally, when they got it like, I don't know, a hundred miles off the west coast of Africa, they tried to sink their own ship to destroy the evidence.

Oh, they did sink it. No, but what happened was Paul boarded the ship while it was sinking and they ripped all the computers and the documentation off the ship and they ended up having to save the fucking crew of the ship. That's crazy. They were all in the ocean, like swimming, and Paul had to save them all.

And what he was telling me is that out of all of the seafood that is sold around the world in five-star restaurants, 45% of that seafood that you buy is caught illegally by boats like this. I don't know numbers. I don't know worldwide is about 20%. The sea is so vast. Nobody's going to be able to monitor that. Not right now anyways. With satellites, they are working on solutions for those problems, but who's going to spend the money?

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And please support our show and tell them that Danny Jones podcast sent you. There is a lot of issues. And I actually have a friend who's working on something that's really interesting. It's to use the blockchain to trace every type of seafood. So then that way, you cannot modify it and you know exactly where the seafood was caught. You know that the temperature changed. So that the part that I found fascinating.

So basically, you know that during its entire trend. transportation, it always kept between, shit, I'm Canadian, between 32 and whatever, if it's fresh fish and frozen. So it really, it's good for food safety. It's good for pregnant people. It's good for, so it's, yeah. So how do they use the blockchain to track it? Every step has to be documented.

Documented? Oh. On the blockchain. You caught it. You put in a blockchain in the system. And all of a sudden there's no illegal fishing. That's interesting. Because a lot of people even still to this day in Florida, so you go to a restaurant.

You're like, what's this? You're like, snapper. I'm like, no. So you got to teach fishermen how to use the blockchain? Yes. Which they do. They're not bad, actually. Really?

I don't understand that stuff. They're interested because it makes their. Oh, wow. This is not. Is this it? That's not the one. That's what popped up. This is a different one.

It might not be the same thing. That's a crazy video clip. All those, is that AI or is that real? That could be a tuna farm in Europe. Oh, really? Let's probably. I guess we can't watch the video. That is the elephant.

They have like tuna farms like this out in the middle of the ocean with like, oh yeah, you can see the net on the right. Look at that. You can see a net on the right. Then, yeah. So they have like giant offshore areas, netted areas where they keep. things like tuna and even salmon, right? I mean, tuna's a migratory fish. So the tuna farming is not going to too well.

It's not a species that needs to be farmed. Salmon, the problem is the demand is so high. It's... Yeah. There's a lot of misconceptions. Sam has got great PR. It does, but it also has terrible PR. Now everybody thinks that, oh, my God.

Normies, normies for people that aren't. Yeah. But farm salmon is not all terrible. I eat farm salmon. You don't think it's terrible. I think it tastes better than wild salmon. Really? I like my fish fatty.

Yeah, that's true. But I wonder what the nutrient different, like the difference in the different types of nutrients. I actually looked at it and it wasn't that different. Don't they pump that farm salmon up with a bunch of antibiotics and stuff like that and hormones? No, really? I mean, entiaryotic stays in the body, same thing as a human. It only stays for a certain amount of days. So even when you buy entire biotic free meat, it means that within the week it was sold,

it was not giving antibiotics. So I heard that all the farmed salmon, because of the stuff they feed it, they have to feed it this, they basically, they catch this krill off like South America. And then a lot of that krill is churned up into this concoction that they feed the salmon to the salmon farms. And then because of the salmon are living in such close quarters, they have to inject them with all kinds of antibiotics. And then after they cut up the salmon and harvest the meat, they have to dip it in some sort of chemical concoction to get rid of all the sea lice.

And then after they dip it in the chemicals, they're not allowed to, it's not allowed to be consumed for eight months after that. So it's safe. So in the U.S., I don't do that. They don't speak through. Asia, probably. Right. Okay.

It's something that I would not be surprised of them doing. And the U.S. It doesn't work like that. First of all, in the U.S., when you do farm salem, it's extremely regulated, extremely. The Marine Corps preserves monitoring that, and they're not part of my friend's. The Marine Corps? Yeah, they don't fuck around. And they test the water that's everything.

Like, you don't put chemicals in the water with the Marine Corps looking around. The sea lies what they do, and Maine anyways, what I know that they do is that they put the fish one by one in like a power. wash like you're washing a car and it takes the sea lice off. That's what they do for sea ice in the US. Interesting. So it's not chemicals or anything like that. When they are diseases, I know they treat them, but everything is, I mean, again, I'm not into, we're not going to talk about the reliability of the FDA, but everything is

FDA-proof. And when it comes to, this is what AI says. Yes, farm salmon are frequently subjected to bath treatments to kill or detach sea lice through a process. Though the process is a bit more industrial than simply dipping them because open net ocean pens pack thousands of fish together and they create the perfect breeding ground for sea lice. Canada sucks with fishery. Canada is not good. Yeah, British Columbia, Chile, Tasmania. Okay, commonly used chemicals is hydrogen peroxide.

one of the most widely used bath treatments, it temporarily paralyzes and weakens the lice so they drop off the fish. It is favored by some because it breaks down safely into water and oxygen. Often pesticides, or this other thing it says is pesticides and insecticides, harder chemicals, such as azamethophenos and deltomethrin and, oh God, cypomethrin are neurotoxins designed to kill the lice. I mean, the first link looks good. I don't know what Livingoceans.org is.

Salmon, the global salmon initiative. That's the other thing with this AI. It's just picking sites that could be, you know, super biased. There's a lot of stuff about salmon out there. A lot of it is negatives. It's really hard to find. I mean, I visited a farm. I visited a couple of farms and they were in the U.S.

and they were not doing that. Really? And they did not pay me. Where were those? farms at? In Maine. In Maine. Oh, it does say that there's a shift towards

nonchemical methods right here at the bottom. What does it say, Steve? Because sea lights are rapidly evolving resistance to the drugs and due to consumer concerns over pesticide use, the global salmon industry has been actively

shifting towards a mechanical and natural alternative. Natural alternative. It's what she's talking about. This they call them salmon car washes, pumping fish through tubes where low pressure water sprays physically to knock the lights off. Exactly.

That's the craziest thing is that like we have to industrialize harvesting animals to survive because we have such a huge population of humans on this earth. I mean, also when you're landlock and you need omega tree,

I guess you kind of have a fine way to does people have access to fish. Right. And Salman seems to be the beach motherfucker. You want some fish? Better get in the car. But they're doing the same thing with the feed too. It's evolving. It's not all.

There are a lot of terrible practices out there. They want a gazillion percent of it. But they also have some of them that are getting much better and better. Well, Alaska banned salmon farming. Yes. Alaska is very opinionated on their seafood. I mean, they have one of the, they have. have treasures there when it comes to seafood.

It's normal that they're being very protective of it. So it's, I'm not saying essentially it's not a bad thing. But yeah, they have very, very strong opinions about a lot of things. Why do you think that is? Because the states rely so much of it. So many people's livelihood rely on this. So they're doing everything they can to protect it as they should. Yeah.

That's not a bad thing. Because if you have the best salmon on earth and everyone else is, trying to copy you and basically commoditize your treasure, your natural treasure that you have. Of course you're going to speak up about that. I think that if you buy wild salmon, I think the only place that it could come from is actually Alaska. I don't think you can buy in the U.S. You cannot buy salmon. Wild salmon that's coming from anywhere else.

Right. The only wild salmon would be from Alaska. I would, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I would defeat, you know, it's like sort of krill and everything. Like a lot of, there's a lot of overfishing in West Africa and it's been a really big problem.

A lot of developed countries are exploiting a lot of those countries over there. There's big problems with corruptions and sustainability and does not have human stuff issues too. But yeah, they're getting, they're trying to find solution. The NSEC was a dead end.

That was promising, but it didn't work out. Yeah. And now they're really onto meat scraps from like chicken factories. And they use a lot of seed oils. Yeah. Which, I don't know, wherever you stand on that, it's your thing. But it's not. Yeah.

I'm fine. What are you in fall salmon, to be fair. Yeah. The krill thing is crazy because I think the krill fisheries are allowed to get like 600, or they have been limiting out around 650,000. pounds of krill per year, right? And they do it kind of like derby fishing where they basically catch, they go balls to the wall until they run out of quota and then they have to stop. And I heard recently, I think, I think I heard recently that they upped that to 1.2 million pounds

per year because they kept hitting that 250,000 limit or that 650,000 limit. And, you know, the argument against the krill fishing is that it takes away from the other sea life, like the sea lions down there and all the other fish that use that krill and like the the offspring that rely on krill to to feed off of so it takes away from that local um ecosystem and they use that krill to bring into salmon farms they use it for pet food uh they use it for like omega three supplements and stuff like that um a lot a lot of factory farmed animals they feed like pigs i heard they're feeding that krill to, after they mash it all up and create whatever kind of paste they feed to the animals, they give it to pigs and chickens a lot.

I mean, also one of the big problem with krill is that it's expensive. That's not a cheap product. I think, and I don't know about pigs, but I think in salmon right now, the feed is probably maybe about like 15%. Well, they still use it, but I try to replace it because it's expensive. But the krill is what is giving it's salmon. in its color. Right. So then they give,

it's a very long chemical name and then I keep forgetting about it. It's naturally not bad for you, the color. What is it called? What is it called? It's a type of dye, you said? Yeah, it's a type of dye that they use that they put in salmon feet to give it its color.

But it's not, it's not toxic for human. It's not. No, it's not. You would think it is, but it's actually not. I'm sure you can. Yeah, it's some chemical name. Astadstach. Yeah, ashtagdunthin.

Astta tax the thin. Astaxanthin. Ashtaxanthin. It gives the color to shrimp. Flamingos. Oh, wow. And flamingos. So what does that say?

Naturally occurring carotenoid pigment that gives wild salmon shrimp and flamingos, they're pink color. That's bonkers. It makes flamins. Flamingos Feathers Pink. That's a ton of... That's pretty insane, right? Huh.

Huh. So I also heard all of the, out of all the biomass that exists on the planet, like all the animals, the biological mass, 95% of it is farmed animals. Yeah, that would make sense. And I think that includes humans. So humans and farmed animals is. is 95% of the biomass, and 5% of the biomass on Earth is wild animals. That's crazy.

How crazy is that? We're a lot of people. Yeah. We're a lot of people to feed. I think that it's when you're talking about vegan diets and sustainable diets and things like that, I think it's definitely, it's hard not to see it from a, from a point of view, from a privileged point of view. right to eat sustainable and to eat uh to eat uh to eat well and to eat a lot of protein

you need to have money yeah it's not cheap or a boat or a spear gun no better friends with boat and spear guns yeah exactly it's better you only need a kayak it's true it is it is it is true and it's you know it's one of those things where it's like it's too big it's such a big machine There's 8 billion people on this earth. And, you know, there's giant governments and organizations and industries behind all this stuff. And you have to feed these people one way or the other. And that's 99.999% of human beings on this earth. They rely on that.

But this is why I get a problem is that when it comes to pointing out the faults of sustainability, it's always a consumer. And it is pointing out. No, but you have to eat better. You have to pick the better options. And the responsibility is on you and blah, blah, blah, blah. And the problem is that, is that especially in this economy, people are just trying to put food in their plates. They're trying to feed their family.

I think it's really unfair to ask people. So, okay, instead of buying the cheap tilapia that we keep telling you is disgusting for you, then instead you need to buy the very expensive, sustainable option. Right. And it sounds really good on paper. Everybody wants to eat the nice, beautiful piece of salmon from Alaska. but a lot of families cannot afford it. Yeah. Yeah, it's just like wealth extraction, you know, to a sick degree. It's the same thing as the idea of like putting a carbon tax on people, like people that are already struggling to work paycheck to paycheck.

Now you want to bootstrap them with this carbon tax that they're going to have to pay on top of, you know, filling up their gas tank because they're contributing to global warming or whatever. It's just, it's just pure insanity. Yeah. When they ask you buy a plane ticket, do you want to pay carbon? Why about you pay you billion dollars? Right. Exactly. Why do I have to pay?

We don't want to be charging me for a freaking plane ticket. Right. Yeah, exactly. And when you have the ability to go out and catch that 5% of wild animals, that's going to be way better for you. You know, like when you can go out and catch and eat wild animals, whether it be land animals or ocean animals, it's going to be way healthier.

And it's like we're aware of how terrible, like, hyper-processed food is for us. Right? Like, I was one of like the big things with the presidential administration when they were running. They're like with the whole Bobby Kennedy thing. Like, we're going to get rid of food dies. We're going to get rid of this, this, this, this, this, and this. Because that's what's making America sick. And America is the sickest country in the world.

And it's propped up by this big food industry that used to be the big tobacco industry. And it works hand in hand with the pharmaceutical industry because you're not only are making people sick with the food, but they're also pulling in money hand over fist with feeding people or prescribing people medications and stuff like that. So it's a vicious cycle. And it's a problem that, you know, it's so overwhelming. It seems like, you know, how do you fix it? It's hard because let's say, so I live in Texas. if I want to go catch on my own meat is very easy

jump in my car, I go somewhere, chances that I'm going to run into a white tail pretty high. Oh, really? If you live, yeah, they're everywhere. And if you, if I live in Tampa, by example, okay, then you have to run

10, 15 miles minimum. You need a boat. Spar gun is $500 and then you need a wetsuit and then you need fins and then you need this and then you need that and then by the time you get there,

by the gas you spend, it's it is better in a planet perspective but it's hard not to see catching your own food on land or on a boat has something that's very privileged you can catch a lot of stuff on the shore you can when i was much better stuff when i was in high school i used to do a lot of illegal spearfishing uh and i've been i've been we've already said this on the podcast to an actual of a wildland game and wildlife guy and he didn't get mad at me. But when I was in high school, I used to just swim off the jetties here and shoot giant snook. And, uh, you know, well, you can't shoot snooks anymore. What's that? You can't shoot snooks anymore. Oh, no, you couldn't shoot him when I was shooting him back in the day either. But we, you know, me and my friends would just go out, you know, we would jump off the jetties off the beaches and, you know, we would just shoot sheep's head, snook, redfish, whatever we could find, you know, the only one of those things I just

mentioned that you're allowed to shoot his sheep's up. And then, you know, I remember I would go down to the keys for weeks on end by myself. And I would have no money. And I would just not during lobster season, I would just jump off the bridge and I would fill my board shorts up with lobster tails. And my bulls bear. There's tons of food in shore. It's just like you have to get it. You have to deal with like the laws.

There's lots of laws around that kind of stuff, like what fish you can shoot. Well, you got to be educated on what fish. allowed to shoot what's legal, what's not illegal, and nowhere to go. But, but yeah, I see what you're saying with that. It's a very privileged thing to be able to do for sure. Yeah, a gun is expensive. Even in Atlanta is expensive. You need a gun, you need a car, you need, let's say if you're starving, if you live in Austin, Texas and you're starving, it's going to be hard for you to go hunt you on deer. Yeah, for sure. Do you do a lot of hunting? I do, yes. Now I do. Really? Yeah.

What kind of stuff do you hunt? White tail and I do nail guy. Do what? Nail guy. It's like an antelope. Oh. Now they're, it was imported for a high fence. Yeah.

Ranches, but a bunch of them escape. So now they, I guess, consider kind of not native. Right. So there's no seasons for them. So that's one thing I've never done. I've never been on a proper hunt, like a land hunt. a good friend of mine just went to Alaska like three days ago to go moose hunting oh that's nice that's a ton of meat yeah so they dropped him off I guess he had to like take

three flights out there and then they took up like they take he flies at Alaska then he has take another little flight somewhere and then he has to like it dropped off in a helicopter somewhere and they're there for 10 days uncontacted and like I guess if they kill I don't this is what he told me I don't know what I'm talking about but he said if they kill a moose they have to quarter it up strap it to their backs and then they have to go back to the helicopter pad where they got there

and like tied up to the top of a tree so Grizzlies don't get it Yeah that sounds That sounds like a pain in the ass Interesting Do you mind if I eat? Yeah you want to eat? We'll take a quick break

She's going to take a little Munchy break My bunchy break Yeah yeah for sure I always feel bad for people That have to like constantly throughout their lives like monitor this stuff 24-7 what they eat like i can't complain it's three months yeah so we're

live we were just having a long conversation about uh the dating world now how how crazy it is and um there was uh interestingly enough there was the same woman i was talking to you about earlier in the beginning of the show how she found that nomadic sea tribe of sea people that was uh constantly that they just live off the ocean and the They're free diving their whole lives. She did a study called the sweaty t-shirt study. Have you ever heard of that? If it's the one that I'm thinking about, I'm super fascinated about that because keep going.

Yeah, it's so interesting. So they gave a group of women sweaty t-shirts from different men. And they had each of the women smell the sweaty t-shirt and rate how attractive, how attracted they were to that scent. Like on a scale of 1 to 10. So after each woman rated the sweaty t-shirt, they said, okay, Valentine, you found this scent very attractive. So we're going to measure, take your DNA and take the DNA of the guy that that sweat came from. And we're going to compare it and see if we notice any patterns. And what they found was the immune system of the immune system of the.

man of the woman who found that scent attractive was like a mirror like a reverse of the immune system of the man who sweat she found attractive meaning that like where the woman's immune system lacked the a man's immune system made up for that interesting so it made like a full a more robust immune system in case if they reproduced and they made it they made a baby that's crazy isn't that insane that the smell, like you would never imagine this, like, it's just one of those things you don't think about when you're on these dating apps and you're swiping left and right on people. You're just looking at a two-d image of somebody that's like manipulated by a computer or whatever they do to smooth their face, all that shit. And one of them,

they should ask for smell sample. One of them, they should ask for smell samples, yeah. Yeah. It's an important evolution, evolutionary thing, I guess, or biological thing on when it comes to reprimals. production. It's like a, it's just one of those things you kind of take for granted. You know, when you're around somebody, their scent can be attractive, you know? It didn't happen to me that I met a guy and I taught he was nice and everything was fine, but that the smell wasn't there for me. So it's not that he stank. It's just not, it was just not an attractive smell to me. Are you being serious right now? Yeah. Oh, really? No joke. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. I was, I was much younger, so there's no way this person

will recognize himself anyways. Yeah. He smelled like soap all the time to me. So. And I was asking people around, I was like, can you just smell? It's just like you bit into a bar of dove and they were like a dove soap. And they were like, no, what are you talking about?

I was like, no. Yeah. Another other thing is this is probably a little bit of details, but bladder infection. What? A bladder infection. When you date a guy and you have intercourse with a guy, your body can reject that person. And you're going to get bladder infections over and over and over again because you pH just don't match. Right.

And that's a problem. Oh, that's so interesting. Human biology is so freaking crazy. I also saw something a little while ago, and I don't know, I don't even know if it's accurate, but the pill, the contraceptive pill kind of fucks that up. Yeah. And weirdly enough, this is purely anecdotal. But I've been in the pill for 18 years and I made very bad dating decisions. Yeah.

And once I stopped the pill, much quicker, I was also older, so that I also could help. But much quicker I was able to say like, oh, you know what, this is a red flag? No, I shouldn't do that. And I was more clear in my thinking when it came to choosing a partner. Yeah. I've heard that too. I've heard that there's been women who, like, started dating their significant other when they were young and they were on birth control pills. And or even the, what's the one that goes inside?

The IED. IUD. IUD. IUD. Or on the IUDs. And then they've maybe been with their boyfriend for five, six, seven years. And then as soon as they get that taken out, they're not attracted to them anymore. I think that that whole process that you mentioned, that like the very primal partner picking, I think the pill does affect that a lot.

Yeah, I think so. You can make wrong decisions because of that. Yeah. Like there's a reason, I mean, we evolved to be able to like make judgments on our mates, like by judging them in person, not through 2D screens. Yes. So it's just like, how does that? How does that spiral out of control with the way it's going, how now, like, young people aren't going out anymore. They aren't meeting each other in person.

And, like, people are becoming more lonely and, oh, my God, seems like a real problem. Well, you can get lucky, for sure. Like, that also happens. I mean, in the sense that her parents, they had a much smaller pool of options, which could lead to settling for different reasons, as is right now, instead of having a circle. of 20 people around you and now you have access to 5,000 people around you. I don't know how much time it takes you to go

all through freaking hands or tender or whatever, but you're going to go through a ton of people. Yeah. So you also have access to Right. But then how do you choose? I don't know. Right. Right. Well, I mean, I'm down married. I guess it's better than, you know,

being a British royalty back in the day when all they did was interbreed with each other. True. You had to breed with people of the same family or the same lineage of you, like your third cousin. And that's why those people look all crazy. Remember that? What was that deformity we were talking about the other day? We were looking at these photos of these French kings back in the day and they had these crazy big like jaws that came out like this and then their nose like hooked down. They looked insane. And they would hire these, these artists to do like

portraits of them. And it was super allegedly like realistic compared to uh, like their skelet, they would like measure their skeletal remains and see like how realistic was this like with their facial structure or whatever. And they found out it was super accurate. Like the, when these royals had artists paint them, they didn't have them face tune them at all. They had a very accurate. Yeah, look at this guy. It's not a caricature. It's actually his face.

That's actually what this dude looks like. And that's from inbreeding. They had like protruding jaws. Mm-hmm. Like they thought that was hot back then. Like if you look like. that, you know that you're, you got fucking money. The more embrate you look, the richer you look.

The more embrate you look, the richer you are. Oh, God. Yeah, look at this. So crazy. King Charles II of Spain. Wild. He probably married his first cousin. Yeah.

We're sister. Speaking of Spain, isn't the, uh, Isn't there like very little fish over there? I heard that like over there, or especially like in the Mediterranean, there's like no fish out there? Europe, you would think that Europe is very terribly,

terrierly. There's a lot of, I mean, everybody's doing bad things. I'll get me wrong. But there's a lot of exploitation of Africa when it comes to seafood and also they overfish everything. They keep producing trollers and things like that. Trollers, trolleys, trolleys, whatever pronounce us.

Yeah, trollers. They're very still, they do a lot of bad stuff still. They're not really changing much. Right. The United States is actually pretty impressive. It's the best country in the world when it comes to seafood sustainability. No way. It's the best way to buy seafood and be sure that you're buying sustainable stuff is buy something from the U.S.

Not process in the U.S., but caught in the U.S. Yeah, there's so much weird shit that happens overseas in Europe and places like that. Like I heard, I think it was Rick O'Berry was telling us about this island off of Denmark, this Danish, it was Danish territory. It's an island of, like, indigenous people. people find out the name of that island. But basically what they do is they slaughtered dolphins for sport. Oh, yeah. It's once a year, right?

Yeah. Like a big festival. Yeah, it's like a big thing where they, like, even like the kids will go out and they slaughter the dolphins. They don't eat them. They just like chop their heads off and take photos with them and stuff like that. And Denmark lets them do it because it's like their heritage or whatever. It would be racist to not let them slaughter those dolphins. I guess why other people left the Inuits alone

when they're with their whale hunting and stuff because they actually eat it and they use the whole animal. It's a little harder to decide what, dictate what animal are more important than others in a sense that, let's say, snapper for us is casual Tuesday fish to eat, right? And then so who are we to say, like, like, no, like you've been eating whales for,

500 years. You're not allowed to do that anymore. Right. So in that perspective, I couldn't, I could understand the argument. It doesn't mean you agree with it, but you can at least understand the argument when it comes to, if you don't eat it, though, then they're just killing it for fun. And that's just, that's just done. What's the point? They're the Taiji, Japanese fishing village. No, that's Japan. That's the Cove movie. This is, this is an island, a Danish island. Oh, the photos are horrible. It's an island owned by Denmark.

Danish island that slaughters dolphins. Refers to the grind drop, centuries-old tradition. Drive hunt of pilot whales and white-sided dolphins. Oh, no, they eat it, though. Oh, the Faroe Islands. That's what it is. The Faroe Islands. They eat, though.

Oh, really? The meat and bubblers are then distributed amongst a local community for conception. Oh, wow. I didn't know they were eating it. I thought they were only killing it. Well, that's still, I mean, if they're eating it, that's better. That's a lot better, but it's like very unhealthy. I mean, also, it's, I'm playing the devil's advocate here.

Right. It's just so, okay, they're killing 1,400 dolphins in a day, which sounds appalling. What's the population of the Faroe Island? The current population of the Faroe Islands is approximately 56,700. Okay, so divide 1,400, divided. by 57,000 people. Yeah. I mean, you're talking about one-eighth of a dolphin per person.

That's probably going to last maybe a month or two. Right. It's... Yeah, human beings have always done very weird, violent things for superstitious. It's a very tiny portion of, unless I got that mat wrong, which is how you possible, it's a second mat. But it's a very small amount of meat. And even...

I posted a photo of myself a couple of days ago and there's fish on the ground and I'm holding a fish. And somebody was like, this is an excessive amount of fish. I'm like, we're 10 on a boat. Everybody's married. Some people have kids. So you're already talking about 12 people of the feet. Right.

Let's say there's, I don't know, making this up, this is 30 fish on the boat. So it's two fish per person. That's what a month supply of food. doesn't seem excessive like that how much meat and fish do you buy from a grocery store in a month? Right. Is it going to be more or less than that?

Yeah. We're very emotional when it comes to food. Extremely emotional. People on the internet are also very unhappy. The people that allow us on the internet are the most unstable, unhealthy, psychologically people that exist. True, but it's a normal reaction.

Like sometimes it even happened to me and I fish. Sometimes I see photos of a boat and it's filled with fish and I'm like, oh my God, like it gets me and I'm like, shit, it's suns a lot. And then I'm like, I'm like, no, like this is so stupid. It's not, like, think about it. First of all, they're commercial fishermen.

This is a tiny boat. Even if you see a photo of a tiny scale, like a family own fishing boat. Yeah. Let's say in Maine or whatever. And you look at the hall they're going to do at the end of the day. You're going to look at that and you're going to be like, whoa, this is a lot of fish. This is crazy. Right.

The ocean has a ton of fish. It's more. resistant and we think it is, even though they're abused. But when you compare to trawlers and extremely big fish, this is when you're talking about big quantities. But we look at a small fishing boat and automatically we're going to be emotional about it and thinking like, this is like 2,000 fish. This is horrible. This is a ton of fish. But it's really not. I mean, even if you want to extend that to like charters who live in communities like in the keys, right? Like there's like hardcore fishing families that live in the keys that have

bad ass boats and people that go visit the keys they pay a lot of money to go out where these people will take them to the best spots catch them a bunch of great fish they get to cook and eat fresh fish while they're going down there that contributes to the local community down there of like local fishermen who were born and raised there and like that brings uh advertising revenue oh i mean not advertised but like um like tourist tourism and all that stuff it's great for the communities um but when you're talking about like highly mechanized industrial netting and trawling and that stuff, that's where it gets, that's where it gets squirly. And that's where it's just like, you know, that's kind of like where I draw the line

where like that could be changed. That could be regulated differently. How much of it, how much of an effect would it have? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, but it's like one of the challenges is, let's say, China is a good example. I mean, hopefully nobody will come and kill me. But China has been lying a lot about their, they keep saying that, yeah, we'll keep catching more and more and more fish. And they're lying about the data to be like, there's no fishing problem.

There's no fishing problem. You're talking about a country here. You're not talking about Roger and his mate Stephen who are like on a boat and lying about catching a little bit more fish. Like you literally talking about an entire country lying about catches and quotas. So it makes a lot of things extremely complicated. Yeah, it does for sure. But it's like the same fishing boat coming out of, I'm just going to do New England because New England is so fishy, it's easy.

Now the same boat is going to have to spend more money. They're going to spend more gas money. They have to spend more time at sea. And they have a certain quota. So when people are trying to think that, But let's just like, if you eat less fish, then people are going to cash less fish. And this mat, this just doesn't work. It's not how it is.

It's, let's say the price of the cod is, I don't know, $20 a pound. And then people stop eating it. All of a sudden, the price of the cod is going to be $12 a pound. Right, exactly. You think that a fishing boat is going to be like, well, I guess we're taking a loss this year. Now they won't. What are they going to do is they're going to go for longer? and then it's going to cost them more money to do it.

But the quota is going to say they're going to fish the exact same amount to make the same amount of money. Right. That makes sense. No company is going to take a profit going down. So they're going to do everything they can. And to lower the fish prices, what it means that the more drastic people are going to be with their fishing methods. 100%. And that's what's happening with the bluefin tuna in Japan.

So like the bluefin tuna is like the most expensive fish in the world where it's like they go for $70,000. fish or something like that in Japan, which is nuts. Yeah. And the population of them is diminishing from what I heard. And they could do like some sort of a temporary moratorium on fishing to let the, let the supply and the population of the bluefin go back up. But the problem with that and why they won't do that is because if the population of the blue fins go back up, that increases the supply, which drops the price.

So that's why they won't do it. They want fewer bluefin. so the price of them can remain astronomically high, like $70,000 of fish. Yeah, for sure. And they've been trying to modify the quotas and the United States because bluefin tuna is actually very sustainable in the United States. That you catch it on the east coast on the west coast. The population is getting better and it's healthy and things like that.

But the problem is you have Mexico who's not healthy about it at all. Right. And you have Japan who's being not healthy at all. Right. That's why sustainability is very geographic. It's not, that's why I don't really like talking about a species when it comes to sustainability, but rather as what a species was caught to. That makes a really big difference.

If you want to buy, if you're going to buy bluefin tuna, people say, oh my God, you cannot eat bluefin tuna. It's terrible. Why is it terrible? Because sustainability. If you buy bluefin tuna caught off the coast of New England, it's, it's, you know, very sustainable. They're not allowed a lot of tuna over year. It's extremely regulated. They have face recognition planes flying above. If you are catching a tuna, you don't have a permit, you're going to get caught and you're going to go to jail. Really? It's a very expensive product. So, of course,

they're going to be very protected. In Canada, you allowed the license cost, I think, about $60,000. And you allowed one fish per year. And then a following year, you're allowed two, then one, then two, then two, then one, tune a year for your whole season. So I went with this guy, we went, and we got it right and rail. We caught one. It was about 800 pounds. He was like, fuck it, he cut the line. He said, I only allowed one this year.

I'm going to have to wait for 1,200, 1,400, 1,400 pound one. Otherwise, I'm not going to make my money. That's good. So, but it's, it's, yeah, it's really. And then if you go in a charter in the West Coast, and if you're winning your limits, you're fine. Right. Are you familiar with like the quota systems here in Florida, like on the Gulf Coast when it comes to like grouper and snapper and all that and the whole IFQ system that's in place here? No. I know like how much you're allowed to catch for a boat for a person, but that's...

Yeah. So like I learned about this by accident about 10 years ago when, because I was born and raised here. And I was always around the beaches and stuff like that. And when I was young, we would always drive by this one 7-Eleven that's just on the corner of Madeira Beach. And we would always see these crazy alcoholic dudes just roaming around causing chaos and, you know, being belligerent. And one day, me and my buddy was like, we should go interview those guys because we were into doing documentaries and stuff back then. So we got in the car, we went over there and we started interviewing this guy. and just the most insane character I've ever met, like full-blown alcoholic drug addict, like loved buying prostitutes,

lived on a boat, like a broken-down houseboat that was still floating in one of the marinas. And this guy was a deckhand on a, for like commercial fishing boats, they go out and catch grouper and snapper off the coast here. And the way they do it is they go offshore for like 10 days at a time

to catch a bunch of grouper and snapper. Because John's Pass is like the grouper capital of the world. Like more grouper comes in through John's Pass than any other port in the world, which is insane. So it's very well known for grouper fishing. Was he still a dig-in in between jobs? Yeah. All he did was deckhand on boats. That's the only thing he did for money.

But like, so we met this guy. We started talking to him like, this guy's insane. And then he started talking to us about what he does for work. He's like, I'm a deckhand. He's like, I go out fishing for 10 days. I come back with like four or five grand. And I just fucking party. And he goes, I come back and he blows all his money on drugs and prostitutes.

And eventually he runs out of money and he has to go fishing again. So a lot of the people that we met like him are like addicted to heroin, cocaine, all kinds of. kinds of drugs and they blow all that cash on all the drugs and no one gives a shit about them. They're basically on their own and their own little like degenerate community. And then they show up at the fish houses when they run out of drugs and they're like, take me fishing. I need to go make some money. So they go offshore for 10 days and they detox at sea and they call it Chab and then they get more money. They come back and they rinse and repeat but like and they so like the problem with it and the way this whole ifq system started with

the quotas and the reason that it's become like what's the problem is is that like the top the top layer of the fishing industry here has become disconnected from the fishing community here so these guys should be making a lot more money And like they should be more like connected with like the people that run the boats and own the own the fish houses and stuff like that. But they're not. They're just they're just sort of treated like, you know, whatever, like grunt workers and we don't give a shit about them. They're a dime a dozen. And so I guess in this in the 80s or early 90s, it was a general fishing quota here to where all the fishing boats got or there was a X amount of quota that you could catch each year for per boat.

Right. So like say for example, if it was, I'm just going to throw a number out there, a million pounds a year. They would go out, they would fish all year until they hit that quota. So like sometimes they could catch a million pounds by July or September sometimes. And they would just have to stop fishing for this to the year because they already hit their million pounds quota. And what they did after that, I believe this was in the mid 90s. I could be wrong was they implemented this IFQ system. where the federal government came in and they said, we're now going to allocate quota to certain boat owners based on their previous catch history.

So if you caught 200,000 pounds roughly a year for the last five years, the federal government is now going to hand you 200,000 pounds of quota each year. and they're going to do that to every other boat, every other boat owner that's been fishing for forever. Yeah. So now, because it's been commoditized by the federal government, it's like it's the best retirement plan known demand for these people because now like this stock is not, it's not the same for everybody.

It's now like taken in and now it's like social security for these fishermen. And on top of that, which you can sell too. So what these guys did was they said, now since there's like a limited amount of this quota and I was gifted this by the federal government, I am going to lease my quota out. So these guys don't have to fish anymore. They can literally lease their quota, which is like whatever, whatever, say red snappers, eight bucks a pound. They can lease their quota out to these people for like 12 bucks a pound. And now they're

making, they're skimming off the top. So now there's less money for the actual people on the boat and the people that are operating the boat. And also, these guys can sell their stock to people on Wall Street who can literally buy and sell and trade it however they want. That's crazy. And it's like, it's so insane how it's just become corporatized and, you know, and traded on financial markets like that. And from what I understand is that's not how it's done in like the North East. And, you know, East and in Alaska and stuff like that where the boat owner has to be like on the throttle on the boat when they're out there fishing. And they have to be like hands on with the whole operation.

And here it's just so disconnected. I don't know if it's still that way. Like I said, that was in 2016. So the regulations and the laws may have changed. But when we looked it up two days ago, it was still that way. Is it really? Yeah, nothing should change. It was, I don't know if it talks about changing it.

But yeah. I don't think it never happened. Yeah. It's an unfortunate way to do it, you know, where you're creating this. And you're like creating this, this industry where it's basically like industrialized with the way that people can trade the stock and of these quotas and stuff like that. It's really weird. And it's not good. It's also hard to see where it's going to go.

Because a lot of the majority. of the commercial fishermen I know, they're not doing well. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, fishing boat. It's not, it's not, they have a lot of problems. It's really hard. I mean, one of them, of course, is also that the next generation does not really

want to do that type of work either, but it's, yeah, it's going to be, let's see what happens, but the more, the less you take it out of the hands of, of, of, you know, the more, the less, of. The fishermen and the people is going to start. I mean, it's fish houses that you mentioned. They're all closing. It's hard. Yeah. It's how do you, people can't afford it anymore.

It's not enough. It's not enough. It's, it's. Yeah. And there's lots of people that are like, that go to, I know, like, there's people around here who, uh, they go to Washington all the time to try to lobby against this quota system, right? Like, they wanted to go back to the way it was. So that it's a more localized thing.

it's more of like a community type thing where the federal government's not involved at all. A lot of the guys don't like that. The people that have sold their quota or that lease their quota and make money on that because they do other things now, they have no incentive to stop it. Yeah, no, for sure. But it's just crazy how, like, the government can get so involved in this thing. Like, the federal government can get so involved in, like, small fisheries in fishing towns all over the country. It's sad because, yeah, that's, I have no idea where it's going to be in 20 years, but

the way it's going, it's not going to be good. No. No, not at all. Is there in Texas on the Gulf Coast, how far are you from the Gulf Coast to Texas? About three hours. Three hours? So there's a lot of, there's a huge commercial fishing industry there, right? Yes, Galveston. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Do you ever go out out there at all? No, it's when you go from Galveston, you have to run a, extremely far to find blue water. And of course, because as PA fish, I can't really be fish in brown water. Right. So I have to go really far. No, I go to the closest I go,

it's South Padre Island at the border of Mexico. Oh, yeah, yeah. But it's, yeah, seven hour drive. What about the whale rigs out there? Aren't there a lot of, aren't there a lot of, are there are there really? So when you go to Louisiana, then you can reach a rig really quickly.

But when it comes, Texas, it's just way forward out. So it's not very practical. It's doable. But like you said, you mentioned the charters and stuff like that. Do I really want to go on a charter and pay $4,000 for the day to go fish and touch the bunch of snappers? Yeah. It's kind of cost me cheaper to fly to Florida and go visit my friends and do fun fishing. Yeah, a lot of my friends, they take their boats up to the panhandle and they'll just shoot off the coast of the panhandle and go ahead.

of the oil rigs there because it's like I guess it's super close yeah I heard it's super fishy over there yeah like lots of big stuff lots of marlin and tuna and wahoo and all kinds of stuff like that yeah and lots of good diving too on the on the oil rigs yeah always is so beautiful on the water have you ever divined on an oil rig yeah they're so amazing and Louisiana and then south pedger is also free diving or yeah free diving really I don't do scuba dive what kind of I don't do you would have me either. It's too much. It's too much work. Yeah. It's too much stuff to keep track of. Yeah, exactly. You know? I just don't like the idea of being an oxygen at 100 feet down. Right. And then I shoot a fish and then a shark show up and you have to do your freaking.

Safety stop. Your safety stop along the way. And then you have a stringer full of fish. And I, I don't know. It's like too much shit can go wrong. That's my view of it. And I'm always like, I can't pay attention to my gauges and everything else. And it's just like, you got to make sure everything's kept kept up to date. You know, serviced at the right time, make sure the O-rings are good. And it's like something goes wrong with an overring. That can be catastrophic. Get the bends and that kind of stuff.

It's easier to know. Like I know my own limits, but I'm holding my breath. You know? Also, I'll have free dive deep enough that if I would be on the scuba dive, I would go really deep. Like I would be able to sit at like, yeah, like 120, 150. But do I be able to scuba dive and 120, 115? How deep do you go?

Right now, probably not too deep. Not right now. like normally. Normally, I can do comfortable up to 100. Really? Yeah. How long can you stay on the bottom at 100? Total.

The dive is probably going to be maybe two minutes. Two minutes? Wow. Nothing too. That's pretty good. I think Manny Pugg told me that the best he ever did was at one, I think he said he went to 170 and he stayed there for 40 seconds. Yeah.

170 at 40 seconds is the best he ever did. That's my max actually. When 70 is my deepest ever, but I don't know how long it was, but I've been touching go. And I came right back up. I didn't chill down there. Yeah. Yeah, it's way more exhilarating when you're free diving, I feel like.

And it's way more like, I don't know, I mean, when you're going up and coming down all day long and doing that and just like, there's something about it where it's just like you had this euphoric feeling afterwards, you know, and you get back on the boat. you just like, you feel amazing. It does something to you. And it's sporty. It's like you have to. I think it's still an estimate because I don't think they actually had a real study on that.

But the calories you burn when you're free diving is insane. I think he was estimated between 800 and 1,200 an hour. Wow. Which like name me not a sport that's that intense. Wow, that's crazy. If you want to lose weight going to free diving to drive every day. That's insane. That's a lot.

It'll be all skinny. That's one of the things you don't realize you're doing it either because like you're in the zone. You know what I mean? Exactly. Like you're chasing fish and you're doing all that. So it's not like one of those things where it's like it's not that taxing in the moment on you. But it's also so mental. I mean, I had days when I physically I felt fantastic.

Yeah. And I dove like shit. Really? And there's other days when I was like, oh, I don't know. And then next thing you know I'm 60 feet, I'm chilling for two minutes and a half. And I'm like, I'm just going to come back up and life is good and you feel awesome and you feel really good. And even when pregnancy, my first, when I was remembering my first, I went free diving. I was doing 50 feet.

Wow. And I was super comfortable with 50 feet. Life was good. I didn't feel any pressure. And when I went this week, at 40 feet, I started feeling the pressure. And I was like, oh, all right, I can't. That's my own limit that I set to myself. When I feel the pressure of the water, that's when I'm stopping.

because there is no study on the impact on the amoetic fluid. Those ladies, it's hard. Their body is so used to it that their body could also be reacting very differently to me or somebody. Of course. Like if you're pregnant, it's not the time to pick up free diving. Exactly. You know. It's also, I mean, when I, my first doctorate, when I talked to him about free diving is pit fishing.

It was like, yeah, you've been doing it for like 15 years. He's like, go ahead. Like, your body. he's used to it, it doesn't matter. My new doctor was like, no, do not do that. I was like, well, I'm not asking you, I'm telling you to go in. But, yeah, I'll keep it. So maybe it's probably mental that she told me not to do it.

So I had less confidence in the water. My body just didn't adapt to that. It also could be them three years older. Who knows? Right. Have you ever hand caught a fish? Hand caught a fish? No.

No? I have not. You got to try it. I like the sling. Like the pole spear or the Hawaiian sling? No, I don't like the pole spear. No. I don't enjoy using that.

But I enjoy the sling. Like, going to water and like... Yeah, yeah. The Hawaiian slings are cool. That is my favorite one of two years. I lived in Bimini for a year. And I used a slang for a year. And it made me a much better hunter.

Because pole spears aren't... Pulse spears are... Spear guns are not allowed in the Bahamas. Is that right? Yes, exactly. Even here, when I come here, I use the smallest gun and I can't, I use a 90. I'm fine with a 90 and it makes you better and more careful. And that's just how I like to make it harder, no that I should. Yeah, yeah. That's like Manny Pug, what he does. He likes to make it more difficult on himself. That's why he created these tridents. That's what I was going to show you. That's so crazy. This is the Manny Pugt Triedent. And this thing weighs. This thing's heavy as fuck.

This is like solid steel. And this is like really fucking sharp. Like this would impale anything. But you have to be really close to the fish. Yeah. So with the tridentes, you really can't be in the water. It's not designed for killing shit when you're in the water. It's more of like if you're on the boat and, you know, if there's something.

How do you make a fish? I guess you feed them. Like triple tail or stuff that's on the surface. Yeah. You know, like you can hit a triple tail or like, you know, tilapia and stuff like that or gaiters is great for gators. This is something this big, there's really no fish that you could kill with this that you want to eat. Like a triple tail with that better be a big triple tail. It's too big.

Yeah, I have a smaller one that's about a third the size of this one. And that one's better for like triple tail and tilapia and stuff like this. This giant one's better for like gators and hogs and and boars and stuff. Crazy. That's what he, so his whole thing is making shit more. difficult. He tries to make shit more primitive. So he likes to go offshore and just chum up fish, like drop bait or drop chum in the water and like bring sharks in or whatever. And he likes to hand catch him with his hands. So he likes to go down, like swim down on the reefs and just stick

his hands into holes and pull the groupers out with his hands. Okay. Yeah. And he's caught Maco sharks by his hand before, like free diving, just catching Mekos by hand. Yeah. He's nuts. Sounds way more dangerous than shooting a kovia for bullshy. Yeah. Yeah, he's... I will not try to catch a macko in my own hand. And on top of that, he does it wearing a leopard print speedo. Oh, that's right.

That does sound like many pretty pretty cool. He's been bitten by four species of sharks, lemon shark, maco shark, nurse shark and Mako, Lemon, nurse and one more, I can't remember what the other one was. But he said out of all the shark bites, he said the worst one was the nurse shark. Really?

Yeah. He said because the nurse doesn't let go. But a nurse doesn't really have teeth, though. It has teeth. It has crazy fucking teeth. But it's not going to like, they're not going to rip off your arm. Right.

But they have insane jaw. pressure. Yeah. So micro teeth. It's like paper cuts. Right. Right. Well, it's so.

It's not going to kill you. Let's put it that way. Depending on how big the thing is. I guess unless it drags you to the bottom. And depending on where it bites you. But he said he got bit on the leg by a nurse shark and it didn't. It was like a five foot nurse shark and it didn't let go. And he ended up ripping the nurse shark off because he had no other way to get it off.

I guess if you get bit, you just leave it on, get out of the water. and then kill the thing and then figure out how to get it off. Leave it on as it leave the shark on? So he pulled the shark off his leg and it ripped a giant chunk out of his leg. And he had to get a skin graft after that. Apparently the... Can we Google nurse shark bites? Yeah, find nurse shark bites.

He said a... Yeah, a human or something. He said a six-foot nurse shark. Like zoomer models or... bound to be bit by he said a six foot nurse shark has the same jaw pressure as a thousand pound great white

and they probably need that jaw pressure because they don't have crazy teeth you know because they're smaller and they have smaller little serrated teeth so they need to have that insane jaw pressure look at that that's crazy I don't know if it doesn't say what it is oh I doubt it I don't think that's a no shark yeah this seems to be the

the bite that you get. Yeah, you're not going to, they're not going to bite your leg off. But for whatever reason. I mean, look, if I was bit by a shark, I would pick that one. I just put it that way. If I have to pick one, doesn't want to pick it. Yeah, certainly. Yeah, you're certainly going to, if you know what you're doing.

Even if the jaw pressure is much stronger, I'm still not going to go to Great White. Right, right. Yeah, way more can go wrong with a Mako or Great White for sure. but pull up one of the videos of Manny Pug hand catching a Maco shark It's insane

They're not like He's not catching like Thousand Pankos With his hand obviously But he's catching like Four to five foot Makos With his hands And they're like taking him on rise

And he's like riding with them Like through the ocean It's literally insane All right Mani posted it on his Instagram Oh this is the hand catch Yeah well that's what it says Okay yeah

Handcatching Miko shark 18 years ago Back when he was in his prime It looks like it's the same footage that we saw. There you go. Look. I got it. Give it a big hug.

Look at that. And he's holding on. Look at this. He's scared. The shock is like, what? He's like, what the fuck is this maniac doing? I don't want to hug. Look at this.

How is he not scared? He's going to turn around and bite him. I know, right? So then he just let's go? What? Oh, boy. Oh my God. And then it restarts.

So insane. Why? That's my question. I have no. I mean, obviously for the camera, you know, they're doing it.

This seems like a typical fuck around and find out scenario, but I guess he didn't. Yeah. Well, everywhere they go, whenever he goes on these trips, they bring, they bring turnicets with them,

you know, because they're, they're expecting to get bit and you don't want to lose a limb, so they got to have, we were talking to Andy Casagrandi the other day. He's the guy who shoots all the Shark Week stuff for Nat Geo and Discovery.

Yeah. And he was explaining to us, like, whenever they go on trips, he's got loads of tourniquets and all kinds of, like, med kits, you know, with them in case they, in case they get their arm or leg bitten off. There is, have you heard of Coco Island? Cook Island? Cook Island. Oh, no. So it's owned by Costa Rica. Oh.

And it's very, you need to have a permit to go there. you're not allowed to free dive when you're there if you get a permit to go there it's extremely dangerous you're not allowed to free dive no you can only Can you find this on a map and there's a ton of people who

this is a terrible story I don't even if I'm allowed tell a story tell it that's pretty bad it's okay we've had somebody went on a trip there this is bad anyway somebody went on a trip there and um

Holy shit That's not there That's not it No it's owned by Costa Rica Coco Island not Como Island How do you spell it? Soco like COCOCO COO Island

COCO COCO And No A Steve Not COCO Somebody got Bid by a shark And they weren't a mission

And it cost so much money To get there But like all the permits And all the camera And all that stuff And they had to put The person in a freezer For the rest of the week

They had to do what? To put the person in a freezer for the rest of the week. Oh. Because it's so remote and so far away and a lot of people get bit by strikes there and die. Is this it? Oh, Costa Rica, yeah. Zoom out?

Whoa. Way offshore. Zoom in? Closer now? Costa Rica owns this. Where the hell's the island? It's kind of hidden behind the... Oh, wait, that's it.

It looks like... It's blending in with the ocean because it's under cloud cover. So this person was free diving. It happened to a lot of people. And so. I don't know if the freezer story. I don't know if that person was free diving. Yeah.

I know there is an influencer that died that got bit by a shark there. What kind of shark? Tiger. I don't know. I think there's a lot of tigers there. There's a ton of sharks there. Tunt, ton, ton, ton, ton. A lot of shark studies happen there.

Really? And it's protected. So apparently you can see like, and the horizon, you can see the line of like the Chinese boat. No way. Not supposed to cross it. In international waters. Yeah.

They were just fishing right on that line because it's so protected. So it must be kind of fishy there. Oh, yeah. If there's that many commercial boats out there. Yeah. Right. That makes sense. It's an interesting place there.

Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, you're not a lot of free life when you go there. Interesting. Because there was too many deaths. Because Costa Rica, it's like famously no shark attacks in Costa Rica, you know? Yeah, that's fine. There's like been one ever in history that I've heard of.

I mean, this is so far off the coast. That's a way far off coast. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. The thing about sharks is like, it's such a like a polarizing thing where, you know, everyone's terrified of sharks because of, you know, the Jaws movie that came out. So it's kind of been baked into culture to everyone to be terrified as sharks is this boogie band. And, you know, then you have people that dive with sharks on Instagram all the time. Like the girl in Hawaii Ocean, Ocean Ramsey. And she dives with these giant fat tiger sharks that are like, you could tell they're super well fed. And she's swimming with them.

And she's like, look at this beautiful teddy bear. Isn't she gorgeous? And all this stuff. And it's like, on one level, I'm like, yeah, I get it. Like, it's really cool that you're doing this. And you're able to swim with these fucking crazy beasts. But like, they're not teddy bears. They're fucking killing machines.

But that's why not as a bunch of influencers, you just decides to go to Tiggy Beach and the Bahamas and jump in the water. Right. And then accident happens. Right. They're not. I understand. You don't want to demonize them.

say like let's kill all of them. Right. But also you cannot tell people that they're innocent creatures. I think if everybody learned anything from that, the documentary was called Grizzly Man or something. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, it's, they're wild animals. They're wild.

A dog is a wild animal. I wouldn't let, I would, I wouldn't even leave my daughter alone with my dog and I had a 12 pound sausage dog. Yeah, they're opportunistic. Those, they're, they're, they're predators that are opportunistic carnivores. So if they get the opportunity and they're hungry enough, they're going to eat you. Exactly. They're going to devour you.

Well, worst case in a year old, they be like, hmm, what's that? I'm curious. Let's see how you taste. So it's not, it's. And also, I think those encounters are unrealistic. So there is a lot of, I watch a document in Netflix and look, these are not, they keep saying that they don't feed the shark. I'm calling bullshit. I've seen thousands of sharks in a while.

I haven't seen a single one behaving like that. Like what? They don't come and chill around you. Oh, right. And like, they don't do that. They don't give a shit about you. No. If you're fishing and they know you have fish,

they're going to start swimming frenetically, frantically around you. And then at some point, it's like, well, there's no fish. I'm out. Yes. But the way they film that footage, or like Instagram people and things like that. If you jump in the water and there's 10 sharks around you,

those sharks have been fed. They're not curious enough. They're used to the people feeding them. Exactly. They're not curious enough that they're going to chill with you. Right. They're not, that's just not a thing. Right.

They feed the sharks. They get them fat and full. And the sharks are number one, they're used to them coming every day and feeding them. And number two, they're not hungry after they're fed. So you can go swim with them, these sharks that you see every day. in the same spot, you know, and you're not, you're not finding some, you know, rogue, juvenile

shark that, you know, has no experience with humans and is not well fed. Yeah. And you're going to end up being like that guy off the coast of Egypt that got eaten alive on camera. So terrible. It was awful. That was a pregnant mother, too, that shark. And they frigging went and killed it after.

It's, I mean, there's basically four scenarios possible when you see a shark in a while. That's wild, right? You have, he's going to come and he's going to go straight at you and you're never going to see it coming. Right. Or you can't have the as bad situation or actually probably less because he's going to try to charge you and he's going to get angry, but then he's going to leave. And then the third scenario is you're going to come because you have fish. He's going to get excited. He's going to hang around because he sees there's fish.

After 10 minutes, if there's no fish, that that thing is gone. Yes. Or you have another, the last scenario is you in the water. The shark is going to come, he's going to check you out, and he's going to leave. There is no scenarios in a while where you're going to be floating in the water and a shark is going to hang out. I'm sorry, but that never happened to me. I don't know anyone that had happened to. A shark will not hang out in the water unless there's food in the water.

Right. have you seen the footage of the drones that they have in Australia on the beaches where these guys are surfing? No. So there's a company. I texted you a link to this company the other day, Steve. I believe I texted you this on Tuesday.

There's these guys that are in Australia and they fly drones over the surf breaks where people are surfing. And basically because there's so many great whites and tiger sharks out there. They, they, if a great white gets close to somebody, they have a way of alerting them with like flashing lights or it can make a noise or something like this. Look at this. Australia's $34 million shark drone program under a $34 million initiative by the new South Wales state government, which rolled out on 1st of July, all 38 of Sydney's ocean beaches, including Kogi now received dawn to dusk drone monitoring year round. 70 New South Wales beaches in total are a part of this program.

Before a shark attack on a 34-year-old Sydney teacher and mother Leah Stewart in June, in which she lost an arm. Drone surveillance was not permitted in Kogi because it lies directly under the flight path from Sydney's airport. Surf Life saving New South Wales drone operator Taha Caffield Hussein explains how the technology is helping keep swimmers safe. And the footage is freaking nuts. There's guys that are like sitting on their surfboards and you see a shit you're not, an 18 foot monster Great White swimming up right up to the freaking guy at the surfing.

And like the great ones don't do anything. They're like circling them for a minute. The guy'll notice it and then he'll like start paddling kind of like mildly frantically. Yeah. And the shark wasn't doesn't do anything. Is there a clip of a shark next to a surfer? No, probably.

There's so many of them online. That's crazy. That's why I don't surf. I like to see what's happening in their wedding. And then we showed this one the other day of that old man swimming with the Great White. In Australia, this guy, this like 75-year-old dude is just like swimming off the beach. You know, like lots of people say, it's so crazy people do this in Hawaii too, where they just like they go like 100 yards offshore at dusk and they just like swim for hundreds of. yards just for like a daily exercise.

A dusk. Crazy. No thanks. But he was doing this and there's a drone above him and there's this giant 18, probably, I don't know, I remember, maybe 12 to 15 foot Great White, swimming right up to him, circling him. He sees it. And they interviewed him afterwards.

He was like, dude, I saw this. Look at the footage. He's like, yeah. He's like, I saw it. And he's like, I've been coming out here for my whole life. And I thought that, you know, if this is my time to go, at least I'm going to go doing what I love. Totally oblivious.

Yeah, this is not a good one. There's ones, there's like very high-res shots of guys in like crystal clear water with massive Great White swimming right up to them. Just Google, just type in Google, Great White drone shot surfing. There's a guy in California. I think it's, that's what it was. The Malibu thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The old man was in California.

There it is. California. No, this is a surfer. Yeah, but we can see that this one's... That's not a huge great wave. That's probably a good 12-footer. No, maybe like an 8-footer. This guy has no idea.

So he tries to, like, dive the drone down to alert him. Look at this thing. I think you saw it now. Oh, my goodness. Okay, now he has to see him. Okay, yeah, now he's going. He's head now. Look, look, no, he's following him.

And he just turned away. That is not a good behavior if you see a shark, by the way. But there's hundreds of these videos of these Great Whites checking out these surfers. And they don't get bit. Yeah. You know? Have you seen the video of Mick Fanning during the surf contest in South Africa? Yes.

Where the Great White like pulls on his leash, knocks him off his board. That's crazy. That's insane. He got lucky there. And it happens. And it's true. Most of the time they don't do anything. But it's, I don't know.

Humans have an obsession with domesticated everything around them. So they have to grab them. They have to grab their fins and touch them and things like that. Like they want human and wants to domesticate everything. Instead of just letting them be. Yeah. That's why I don't really like the Ocean Ramsey approach because of that. Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's also a great way to get attention online swimming with deadly fucking sharks. True. You know, 18 foot tiger sharks. You're literally swimming them like face to face with them. That's a good way to get engagement on Instagram. Yeah, that was insane. I was watching this live when it happened. He got lucky because the shark was probably like checking him out and accidentally got caught in his leash and pulled him off his board and the shark got freaked and got out of there.

Yeah, I think that's probably what happened. But like, you know, the other weird thing about... Maybe the other wave, you can't see him anymore. Yeah, the wave comes up and you can't see him anymore. You forgot. Then he starts like swimming full speed towards the beach. See him? Look at him.

He is swimming for his life. He's like, fuck this. Also... The jet ski comes. and gets him. So this dude, Andy, we just had on the podcast. He went to go take photos of him in Australia like a week after that happened. That's crazy.

So he was like, he was literally surfing like the week after that in Australia. They're a fascinating creature, but it's funny that I think they probably get the most fascination out of, there's way more people that die probably by rattlesnakes every year. Yeah. Grisly bears, another thing, but you don't see, I don't know, people are. absolutely fascinating with sharks. Yeah, but it's like also, most people are on land.

Like with those statistics about lightning strikes and car accidents, like, yeah, obviously there's way more of those, but you got to adjust it for like all the people that are in the ocean every day. I don't know how many people are in the ocean every day. But like out of all those people, how many of them get bit by sharks? I bet you it's a higher percentage.

And there's also certain parts. There's certain beaches that are synonymous with people getting eaten. Not just like investigative bites or like accidental bites, but people getting literally devoured limb for limb by sharks. The Egypt guy will... The Egypt one was the worst one I've ever seen. It's going to live rent and free in my head for the rest of my life. I don't think anybody who's had a footage is ever going to forget it.

No, no. And his mom is calling him and like, ugh. It's like, dad, mom, help. And then the shark comes up and just takes his head under. That's ill. And also, that happened literally a couple days before that, like 100 yards down the same beach. Really? Yeah.

That was like the second or third time someone had been killed. Or no, maybe the person before got their leg bitten off. But there was at least two or three tiger shark attacks where like it was a catastrophic injury leading up to that. And what they found out was that specific location that there was a pier there where boats were loading up sheep carcasses and dumping sheep carcasses yeah you can look this up Steve where there was at this beach in Egypt they were loading up sheep carcasses carcasses on these boats and taking them I don't know how far offshore probably not far and just dumping them so that was probably a huge part of that so I got the shark interested in a different type of meat

yeah no Steve this was like three years ago yeah it was Yeah, I don't know. I wonder if it was the same shark that ate that bit the same people. It probably was. I would imagine. It was a pregnant shark. And there was footage of the sharks swimming around that pier earlier that day. And the guys were filming it.

So she was probably really hungry. And there had been sheep carcasses being dumped off the beach right there. And that guy was just in the wrong fucking place at the wrong time. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean. I don't know. Everybody I know who got bid by a shark yet happened in the Bahamas.

Yeah. I've heard a lot of crazy stories in Bahamas as well. So it's, I don't know if. Yeah. I mean, there's less carcasses being thrown in the water in Bahamas probably than Florida, I would think. There's less people. Yeah. What's happening in the Bahamas that are getting so.

I don't know. I heard that the worst shark attacks I've heard of in the Bahamas are on those pig beaches, where those pigs are on land, you know, where people go take photos of the pigs in the water. And he zoomer, really? Yeah, an Exuma, yeah. Interesting. And the one that I recently heard of was a girl that was swimming, just like jumped off the boat at one of those pig beaches there.

And a great white just like ate her, or not a great white, a tiger shark. A tiger shark. Yeah. So people that I know that got bit in the Bahamas, it was always the same story. It was, they were in the water, they had a fish in their hand, and they were talking to somebody in the boat. Really? a bit from behind.

Yeah, which is why I'm in the Bahamas. One of the biggest advice that you give people is as soon as you have a fish, you're holding it up outside of the water until you get to the boat. You don't just hang out like this. With a stringer on your waist. You definitely never do a string in Bahamas. That's insane. Yeah, I'm scared to do it around here.

I have a lot of friends who still do it. I did it all the time when I was young, but I haven't done it in years just because. I wouldn't do it here either. Not right now. Yeah. It's been so shy. The last five years has been so sharky here. Mm-hmm.

There's some summers. And I remember diving here and it was we got chased out of every single spot we went to. Really? Yeah. Especially in shallower water. Interesting. I mean, we do, it's probably very controversial, but we do, we have a powerhead on my belt. Oh, yeah.

Same thing that if I went camping in Alaska, I would have a gun. would be. Right. So powerhead, people that don't know, is basically like a shotgun shell that you put on the end of a spear, of a spear gun.

And usually people use those for like Goliath Gruppers, right? It's for Goliath groupers or sharks, from what I've heard. Yeah, I mean, I don't see why you would do that in a Geyligerger,

but it usually doesn't kill them. It hurts them pretty bad. Right. But, yeah, it's kind of like, yeah, having a gun on your belt because you're going remote camping. in a grizzly area.

That's, in my opinion, it's the smart thing to do. Very smart thing to do. Yeah. But then, yeah, it's like we said earlier, you know, when you have the whole period of like, well, you're in a shark's habitat. So if a sharks eat you, it's fair enough.

And that's a craziness of social media. I know what I've done with my life. If one day I get eaten by a shark, I know that thousands of people are probably going to message my parents and my sister tell them a piece of shit and I deserved it and that I'm a horrible, human being and it's it's yeah it's harder to think about that i know that people that's if something

happens to me spearfishing that's what will happen to my family my husband is going to be told it's good for him yeah but this the thing is that's like it's not that's not like the sentiment of most people it's like a very low percentage of just like psychologically unwell people i think it would be the majority of comments yeah but the problem with comments comments is. You can't, it's not a, it's not a, like an accurate slice of the people that are watching that stuff, that are consuming your content. True. Most people, I, I've, I've left maybe five comments on YouTube videos in my life.

And if I ever, if I, most of those, all of those comments were like in support of the person because they were my friend, like saying, you know, like, Fuck yeah, this is awesome or whatever. I've never left a negative comment on a YouTube video in my life. And I don't think I know anyone personally who has either. Most of the people that spend their lives on the internet leaving negative YouTube comments are people that are just like stuck in a miserable existence and are trying to fucking get attention one way or the other. And they're piling on to something else.

Just they're not normal. They're not, it's not like, it's not a real human interaction, you know, people, those people never say that to your face. Those people don't really mean that. I mean, actually, I had a conversation about this with Joe Rogan and because I was like, sometimes I just like, it's, it's hard, you know, you get called a bunch of names by people. And it's just, you have to be really solid mentally to handle that. Yeah.

And he was like, how much followers you have? And I can't, don't remember how much I had then. But it's like, do you know how many people who would fill an arena with 200,000 people? Right. And then you're paying attention to the dumb ass at the front who's like, you're a fucking asshole. It's like, why are you doing that? It's 200,000 people here to see you. Yes.

Stop focusing of the idiot who has something she to say. Yeah. And I was like, 200,000 people, that's two football arenas. Yeah, that's a ton of people. If there's 200 people talking shit, like, who cares? That's like a small minority of people who like they aren't being, they aren't being genuine. They're just trying to get attention by saying some fucking outrageous thing. But I guess that's not how people are wired.

It's just, I mean, everybody tells you you look awesome and you new dress. And one person is like, eh, this kind of makes you look fat. The only thing that's going to stay in your mind is that, shit, I look fat at my dress. Nobody's going to focus on the 19-100 positive one. Yeah. The only one is going to stick it yet is going to be that one. But I think a big part of that problem too, and this is just a theory that I have, is I think that when it comes to environment and stuff like that,

and like that bitch deserves it because she just got eaten by a shark and she's been killing fish. I think that with the decline of religion and Western countries, I think a lot of people replace that purpose with eco-activism. 100%. And I think that it gives them such a purpose to, like, show up for the weeks. And they think that it's their life mission all of a sudden. And it's when they see somebody like, oh, my gosh, she's hunting deer, although they eat steaks. And they go by steak at a grocery store.

They think that it's my duty to come in this page and say, you're a horrible person, that poor dear did nothing to you. And it's like, so did the pig that you just bought a pack of bacon that came from. But because you put them in their face, they feel this self-righteousness of, I need to defend something. Yes. That's the purpose that people give themselves. Yes. And I was guilty of that from many years. And by looking at a lot of my own opinions and my own behavior, I manage a lot to challenge that.

I don't always succeed. Sometimes I do have preconceived ideas and things like that. Like when I see a boat with 2,000 fish in it, my first. reaction would be like, holy shit, that's too much fish. And give it a second. No, it's not. Like, think about that. Yeah, 100%.

No, you're totally right about that. People try to, we have that, that, like, human beings have that, like, God-shaped hole in their psyche where they have to fill it with something. If it might not be religion, might not be God, maybe it's fucking climate change, or maybe it's, you know, science or whatever type of activism or thing that they believe in that gives them more meaning and it becomes like a tribal thing people do it with UFOs there's people that treat UFOs like it's their religion you know what I mean like the we're gonna find out there's definitely aliens the government's hiding aliens this is what it is like they literally they turn

these things into their entire identity and I think that's just something that's built into human beings. Yeah. I mean, we all need a purpose. And sadly, I think that we, I think that people haven't found the healthy replacement to religion. Yeah. And I think that's, that's, well, I think it's technology. I think it's technology. That's a big problem with that. It's a terrible replacement. Yeah. Well, the problem, the problem, the problem with it is it keeps people stuck inside. You know, it's Everything is based on every the entire economy is based on convenience. Yeah. You know, you got to order your Caesar salads.

It's going to be delivered by a robot on wheels, you know, for $28. And it's just like this, this society that we've built based on technology where that's like the one thing that governs every aspect of our lives from our phones to like our computers. I can barely escape it. You know, I sit in here and I make videos on YouTube for a living. So it's like a lot of the things I pay attention to every day, like in the news and like being educated on stuff. Like what you talk about is like I'm attached to technology. And people that work fucking shitty jobs and are working paycheck to paycheck, like they're stuck in this rat race and they don't have the opportunity to break out of it. So it's like when are you going to find the opportunity to go out on a boat and go jump in the ocean or go out into the woods and go.

hunt an animal or even just go on a fucking vacation, just go on a cruise. You know, a lot of people don't have that luxury. So they're just, they're stuck in this, in this miserable existence and they, they, by our, by design, we have to find some, some sort of thing, whatever it is to fill, to fill that. Yeah, we need a purpose. And they find something and it's probably not the most ideal thing. And it makes them very emotional. Yeah.

On the right. Have you read the book, Why Good People Divided up Politics and Religion? No. Fantastic book. It explains how. Why are good people divided by politics and religion? It's a fantastic book.

It explains why the human being, what do you argue with people, pretty much, and how you get so adamant about things, although deep down you probably don't even give a shit. Right, exactly. Oh, it's by Jonathan Haid. Yeah. Oh, no shit.

Yeah, he's great. I'm a huge fan of his. This is a fantastic book. Yeah, it's the same thing. People, like, exactly. People fill their identities. They make politics their religion, whether they're a Democrat or they're a Republican, whether they fucking love Trump or they love fucking Obama.

You know, they make that, like politics and sports. I love the Tim Dillon joke. Politics is Hollywood for ugly people. It's like people that get into politics, they're not like, you don't really want to model. of your life after a politician. You know, like, these people aren't that interesting. Politics is like one of the grossest industries. It's one of the grossest industries in modern times where, like, these people are trying

to win a popularity contest, you know, and basically nothing ever changes. Yeah. And it's like, why would you want to base your identity off one of these groups of people? It's just such a weird thing. But it's also you get so, you do not have critical thinking anymore. And one of the very fascinating takeaway from this book was that, okay, let's say you have a situation, and I'm going to try to pick a topic, whatever, we're like vehemently disagreed with that. And let's say, I don't know, let's see something real controversial here.

Abortion. Abortion, perfect. Abortion. There you go. I'm a woman. Whatever. I think everybody has the right to choose. That's my personal stance.

If you foreborder whatever you think. And it's something that I extremely believe my whole life. It's the culture of Canada too. And I was like, if you asked me 10 years ago, somebody is against abortion. I was like, that person is fucking stupid. It was like, there's no way you can actually think that. And then I was like, okay, you know what? This is my stance, but doesn't mean that having a stance doesn't mean that having a stance,

doesn't mean that you cannot understand somebody else's stance. So I was trying to look at different opinions that was against what I was thinking. And let's say somebody who says, well, by example, well, I was an accident and my mom taught about reporting which she didn't. So if she did, then I wouldn't exist. So that's a reason where you can be. I'm like, you know what? I believe in your mom is right, but I understand you.

point of view. And I think it's a massive difference that people stop doing is there's a difference between understanding a point of view and agreeing to a point of view. Right. It doesn't make you less solid on your point to understand somebody else's point of view. Right. It's now I can very easily say, okay, you're religious by example and like you're very pro-life and for you not believing in something like abortion is very deep into your core and your value.

I understand that. Right. Instead of just being like, I disagree. So like you're a fucking moron. Right. And I think people need to be a little bit better at that. Even if it's something that's really, really important to you. And that's a big problem.

That's what everybody's freaking fighting. Yeah, 100%. And that's one of the great things that Jonathan Haidt is like famous for pointing out how social media is one of the biggest things that's responsible for that. And like the division and how like the algorithms have put us into these echo chambers to where like if you like specific content, like the way I like shark content. I only get fed shark shit. Like if you like... But did you see Australia just, they just, they force meta to give you an option. You can opt out of algorithm now.

What? In Australia, I saw that a couple of days ago on the internet. I saw something about, they had to pay a lot. I saw something that meta had to now, they have to restrict kids access to Instagram. That was the first step. Now you can opt out of the algorithm, which I think is good. Let's say I follow you, right? Yeah.

And then I don't know. You don't get any of my content. I don't mention your name for a year. And all of a sudden, you're never going to be in my feet ever again. Right. And I'm like, wait a minute. Like, I want to know what you're up to. And why Facebook or Instagram decided that I'm not allowed to know what's going on with your life anymore?

If I choose to follow you, it's because I want to know what's going on in your life. Who are you to tell me that, no, sorry. Here's this influencer for Germany who's showing off freaking handbags to them. Like, why? This is not what I pick. Right. Right. No, it's all the algorithms are just based off making money. It's all it is. It's so terrible. It's the same way YouTube works because YouTube wants to keep people engaged on YouTube as long as possible. That's their number one thing they care about. They don't give a shit about.

They give a shit about anything. It's keeping people on YouTube. So that's why if you're watching YouTube video about one thing, you're going to have that entire sidebar of stuff that's according to their algorithm is most likely going to get you to watch that something related to that next and keep you, on the site, not see the people you subscribe to. On the other end, everybody that I know that has a fishing channel on YouTube, that got screwed so badly by YouTube, and their views plummeted and what was their main income,

now they can't live on it anymore because it don't make any money because one is a fish being killed or something being killed. YouTube decides that this should not be part of the algorithm. And it makes it extremely hard for content creators who build an entire career on something. and I can think about my friend Lauren and my friend Kelly. They've been having super cool channels for a real long time. They worked so hard for their channels and to make really good stuff.

And Al-Dah Blue, YouTube just decided that fishing content, no, sorry, you're killing something. It's offending people, so you're out of it. When did this happen to them? That was, I think two, three years ago, maybe. Really? Yeah. And they're in the U.S.? Yeah, they're in the U.S.

And they were just posting like spearfishing videos? Yeah. I think one of my friend who has a, it's called, what's this company name? Black Tip fishing. Oh, I know Black Tip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we were just watching one of their clips earlier. So he said like out of the blue, his views just start going down and down and down and down and down.

And there's nothing he can do to put them up. That's so crazy. And it was super successful. All of a sudden, YouTube just decides that we're putting the plugs. Sorry. Too bad for you. That's one of the crazy most, that's one of the most fucked up things about these platforms is they can literally like turn down your reach behind the scenes and not tell you about it. Like they can't say, hey, you violated this policy, fix it or this is going to happen to you.

They can do without even notifying you. They basically like turn the volume down on your content so less people see it. And that's fucking criminal if you ask me. Yeah. And when Mark Zuckerberg went in a Rogan podcast and he said, and Rogan asking point blank, is this such a thing I should? Shadow Band. They said, no, that's not true. We don't do that.

And I'm like, now I have people that when they type my name, let's say you follow me and you type Valentine, I should pop up, right? And then there has people that they had to type every single, like, they had to type Valentine Thomas, all the way to DS at the end. Otherwise, my name

wouldn't pop up. And even then, I would be like at the bottom of the list. Although that person follows me, they decide who you get in front to. And sadly, when you kill stuff, you ought to bottom the food chain. Yeah, they apply their own intent to it. And they think that killing stuff is animal cruelty.

Yeah. That's crazy. That's so hypocritical. It's actually, actually is mind-numbing how fucking dumb that is. They control everything. And they hide beyond the fact that was their private companies. But based on the fact that you kill animals, like you're a girl who goes out and hunts fish on your own. You're not dragging 70 kilometer nets and mass slaughtering animals.

You don't have a factory where you're slaughtering like thousands and thousands of chickens every day. You're doing it the way that it's supposed to be done, like the most humane way possible. But it's upsetting for people, so people. Because people are so disconnected from it. Like it's just. But I just say you're not interested and that's it. So that's what is the thing happening in Florida. And in Australia, I think it's good.

I mean, I don't know anybody would. Go back. Let's read that Australia news, Steve. Australia targets algorithmic social feeds as it looks to hit big tech harder. Okay, let's read the first part of it. Australia plans to give social media users the ability to switch off algorithm-based feeds in proposed legislation, making the latest move by governments and regulators to rein in big tech this year. Prime Minister Anthony Albanyese government said Tuesday that, it's proposing the My Feed My Way initiative.

That's awesome, which would force social media platforms to allow users over the age of 16 to either opt into having a feed that recommends personalized content on an algorithm, opt out, by an algorithm, or opt out so they can see content from their friends and creators that you use with. That is fucking incredible. Now it's pretty much just on, I see it on Facebook on political content. You see what? Like a YouTube guy who's like, you're like, yeah, like, orange retit should be released, type of stuff, then that's going to give me. Yeah. When it's super political, yeah. Sometimes they give you an option we can say I'm not interested.

Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Right. But then I've done that a few times and it keep popping up. So fairly it's not. That's bullshit. So saying social media companies that fail to comply could face up to 109 million Australian dollars equivalent to 79 million U.S. dollars, which is. Absolutely, which is nothing to them.

That's like one second of revenue for YouTube. I mean, don't it just had like a billion dollar fine or something stupid? Who did it? Meadow. Oh, yeah, yeah. I saw that. What, um, hang on, scroll down. It's not about giving government control.

It's about giving people control. Right. Well, you're giving them the option, right? It's like, it's keeping these people in fucking check. Like, it's, it's the worst part about the algorithm is like, you're hijacking the dopamine system where it's like this slot, this dopamine slot machine where it happens to me, it happened to me this morning.

I said, I got a notification on Instagram. And once I click on it, it's just like, before I know it, it's 20 minutes goes by. And I'm like, fuck.

You know? And if you can turn off the algorithm, that would probably stop a lot of that shit. Yeah. I try not to have my phone in bed. I move my phone to the bathroom. So that's why it charges overnight. So when I'm in bed and I can't do it.

You put it in the bathroom. Well, that's good because you probably don't get all the electromagnetic frequencies from your phone. I know that too. I started seeing yellow dots on the side of my head. Yellow dots on the side? Like in your visual field? Yeah. And then when I started plugging my phone in the bathroom, they went away.

Really? So I was like, I don't know. This is kind of weird. So no, thank you. Yeah, that's very weird. I will definitely keep my phone away from my face. We got this, I got this EMS. reader which measures electromagnetic frequencies and we scanned my whole house because apparently

for people I've heard talked to that you can get there's like lots of health negative health side effects of like being around like high electromagnetic frequencies like if you're around like cell phone towers or yeah certain things um so we we measured every room in our house and uh we found out that like near the baby monitors it was was off the charts. Like in the millions of, I forget the wave, some sort of kilo, they measured it in some like wave or volt or whatever. Was it the one that was connected on the Wi-Fi?

Or the one I was not connected on the Wi-Fi? And is there a difference? You're talking about the baby monitor? Yeah. It was not Wi-Fi. Not Wi-Fi? Yeah, it's where like you have the app on your phone or you can have the one where you have like the other monitor

that you have next to your bed. but like so my wife would keep the baby her baby monitor on her nightstand right yeah she'd keep it on like a low level or whatever it was on like right next to her head the amount of electromagnetic frequencies coming out that thing was cooking her like a fucking microwave so we got rid of that and so so the baby monitors were the worst so if you have a baby monitor keep it on the other side of the room or you can use the baby monitor thing what she started doing was using the baby monitor app so the camera is in the baby's room and she just opens the app on her phone plugs it in and just leaves it open on the low volume at night so in case it like the baby crash you can hear it

that way you don't get all those crazy EMFs but yeah that freaked the fuck out of me is that the same thing on the camera end or it's only in the monitor end uh I think it was only on the monitor yeah I don't think it was that bad on the camera end literally next to my pillow my baby monitor yeah it's cooking you far does it have to be? So at least from like here to where that TB is, I would move it away if it's the baby monitor. I have to get up every time I need to. But you can buy one of those things are pretty cheap. They're on Amazon. Type in EMF, EMF reader. Yeah, it's definitely worth it going around your house with those things. And so, yeah, the worst.

the highest EMFs were on the baby monitors and also like power strips. Yeah. I had a power strip right under my side of the bed. That's it right there. There's like a thousand different types. But, you know, 40 bucks. 50 bucks. Yeah, those things.

They're great. Because I know people who have it in automatic settings on their Wi-Fi and they disconnect it from like 11 to 5 a.m. or something. Oh, where the Wi-Fi goes out. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. We got rid of a lot of the Wi-Fi shit in the house.

And I think it's worth it. I don't know. It's hard to think. It's one of those things where it's like invisible, you know, so you don't really think about it. It's like one of those things. Like you can control to a degree of like the shit you eat, right? And what's the science of how bad it is on you? There's not much science.

So what it does is electromagnetic frequencies, they open up the blood brain barrier. Okay. So it allows toxins. or any kind of bad things that are in your, they get into your bloodstream or like, mainly like environmental toxins or anything like that, that get in your body. The blood brain barrier is very important

from eliminating that from entering your brain. So what the EMFs do is they open, their scientific evidence, they study this in rats, where it does open up the blood brain barrier. So any kind of toxins in your body will get into your brain if you have an extreme exposure to EMFs.

Oh my God. There's anything going on in this wall. That's not bad for you. Well, it's crazy because it's ubiquitous. It's everywhere. It's everywhere. Everything. They're putting 5G towers on hotels.

If you drive up and down the beach here, they, they like try to hide them on top of hotels where they paint in the same color as the hotel. And I'm sure they're paying the hotels rent to keep them there. But it's inescapable. I mean, everything you eat is bad. Everything in the air is bad. Everything is. Yeah. It's not that bad.

If you get one of those readers and go around your house, it's likely just going to be bad around like power strips or baby monitors. It's the worst. That's crazy. I'm trying to take a lot of those things with a grain of salt. Yeah. Both of my grandmothers live to 100 and 104. No way.

And they both have very different lives on both sides. On both sides. That's incredible. One of them, the French ones, she drank every day. Red wine. Yeah. And she had a little cognac, because she's from conyenne. And 104.

That one lived to 100. And she was, I mean, she ate well, though, because she lived in France. She went to the market. That's how she got her food and stuff like that. And she lived in the countryside. And her body gave up. And she was mining clear until the end. And then my grandmother and my mom's side, who lived to 104, she ate a lot of processed food.

Didn't drink too much. She was eating like, you know, like the Lipton powders, who, and like all that type of stuff. And her body kept going when her mind declined first. And it's kind of, I always find it's interesting to see like two very different person living in two very different. Where do they live? One in France said I went in Montreal.

Okay. Yeah, the human body is really resilient. Most of that, I think most of its genetics, you know, as much as it's scary, like all the EMFs and all the, food shit and all like the toxic stuff that you hear about, like the microplastics and all that kind of stuff, as scary as that is, and I don't know, I don't know if it's really going to alter your lifespan that much if you're like generally healthy. Yeah.

You know, as long as you're not like 500 pounds overweight and completely staying inside 24-7 and not getting any exercise, like I can see how that like comorbidities can stack up. But if you're generally healthy, I think. I think the human body is a lot more resilient than we give it credit for. True. There's people, I've heard stories, people living into their hundreds that smoke cigarettes every day, you know, like smoke a pack of cigarettes a day living forever. I know a freaking guy who's, like, way overweight and smokes two packs of new ports a day. And, like, he got a full health screening and he's got, like, a super strong heart.

He's in great shape. He looks like shit. He looks like he's about to die any minute now. But he's, like, by all. Top shape. By all metrics, he's, like, super healthy. And his dad lived to, like, 110. That's crazy.

So, yeah, I think it probably has a lot to do with genetics. Definitely if you have bad genetics, you have to work harder. Yeah. For sure. Like, this is a, I had a really big fight with my dad during COVID because he was super, like, like, you have to, like, respect everything and, like, COVID is going to kill everybody and things like that. And I remember I was getting super angry at me because I kept working, I kept traveling, I kept doing my thing. And I was like, look, if I catch it, I catch it. Right.

I mean, I caught it a bunch of times. But at some point, but I told him, I got mad at him. I was like, you are in your late 60s, early 70s, and you don't exercise. Right. So I'm like, if you're looking for a potential to kill you, maybe look into closer things than being scared about COVID stuff. Yeah. He's been doing Pilates, which would be funny. Awesome.

Sometimes it wakes in. He's like in a senior Pilates group thing. That's funny. Yeah, COVID broke a lot of people. That broke a lot of people's brains. They just, people didn't know how to handle that. That was probably one of the most divisive moments in my lifetime in the country. You know, people, people were more divided on that than anything I can remember.

It was, yeah, Quebec was very intense. extremely intense. Yeah. It was like very, very, very, very strict. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But I think it opened a lot of people's eyes on their own health situation and modification that needed to be done.

And hopefully that was good for that. Yeah, it's just you've got to be skeptical, especially in this country, with anything the government tries to shove down your throat. Yeah. just my perspective. For sure. You know.

And it's even everything, even woman and pregnancy these days. You know, it's when I turn. Oh, God. What's her name? Lindsay Clancy. You've seen that? That's a rough one. Fucking crazy.

I'm glad that it'd hope in the debate on the gravity of postpartum depression. Yeah. I'm not saying that she does not deserve jail. It's not I'm saying at all. I think it opens a lot of people's eyes on how I have a friend. She's the sweetest, nicest little human being ever, never gets mad, nothing. And once she had her, I think, her second baby, she called her husband at work. And she said, you need to change the code on the safe.

Because I'm at home and I don't trust myself right now. I'm having weird, fucking dark thoughts. Wow. And the husband was like, what? I said, what are you talking about? Like zero aggression and her zero, like, and. Like completely out of character. It went that deep.

Wow. And it's, it's, I didn't have that, but it's really showing you how horrible it can be. Yeah. I mean, if it was postpartum depression and really that she was having and it made her kill her three kids. Yeah. Jesus. That's like psychopath level. Psychopath level.

It's hard to comprehend. It really is. It's hard to fucking imagine. But some people just weren't meant to have kids. You know, a lot of people just have kids by accident and they never really wanted kids. And it's kind of like, here I am, this is what I'm supposed to do, I guess. I guess we got to figure it out like everyone else. But like maybe they, you know, like some people just, I believe some people just weren't meant to have kids.

Some people don't have that motherly instinct. Sure, but also, I don't think it's also, I don't think anybody could really walk up to people and say like, you know what? Hey, how are you? By the way, I regret having my kids. Right, of course. Right. Right. Yeah, totally.

You kind of have to keep it to yourself. Yeah. A little bit so we don't really hear about it. I joke about it with my wife all the time because I never had any desire to have kids when I was younger. I was like, I just want to like do my thing, like have my career travel. Like, I'm not a kid person. My wife was the opposite. She was like, ever since she was young, she's like, I always want to be a mom.

I want to be a housewife. I want kids. I want to raise kids. I was like, that's weird. You don't really talk to find many girls who say that out loud. You know what I mean? Like, this was when I met her in like 2011. And like, I couldn't have lucked out any better because now that we have kids, it's just

like the best situation ever. Like she fucking loves being a mom more than anyone. When we have friends, she has friends that has friends that have. have kids that are just like, it's so funny to see the difference between my wife and like some of her friends where they're just like, ugh, like my fucking kid's so annoying. Like, I just can't wait. They're finding every excuse. Like, some of them are like, I need to get a job again because I need, I don't want to spend any

more time with my kids. Like, they want to go back to getting a nine to five and find a nanny to raise their kids because they just, they don't, they weren't cut out for it, you know? And it's like for my wife, it's all she wants to do is be around the kids. Of course she gets annoyed by him like anyone does. and you need your time away, you need your alone time. But, you know, to see the difference in people and how they feel about taking care of and raising, spending time with kids, it's really interesting to me, you know.

I think your age also probably plays a big... Yeah, for sure. Like, it's much harder to have a kid when you're older than when you're younger. That's also going to be a big problem. Totally. Like when I was 25, three hours. of sleep no problem i'm kicking the following night life is good right now if i slept three hours i'm not doing too well right right but you don't get the choice right you don't know no choice yeah but like

yeah i don't know this whole lindsay the lindsay thing is just like it's like all it's like all it's everywhere it's all i feel like everyone's talking about that everyone's consumed by it right now and it's like situation, but it's like, it's just, I always wonder, like, I sometimes I put my tinfoil hat on, and I'm like, why is this happening right now when there's all this stuff happening around the world, like all these like crazy wars that people are protesting and all this, you know, corruption in politics and all this stuff? And like, we have this weird, like super divisive moment that shouldn't be that divisive, you know, where you have people just like, battling it out on the internet.

And it's taking over all the feeds, people that are just like, you got to take something. You got to go home. Oh, sorry, it's my, it's my nanny. Oh, is it? Go ahead. Call the nanny back. Sorry, but I do have a nanny. Yeah, especially when you're out of town for a week fishing.

Yeah, no. I'm still at the house, though. You what? I'm at the house. What do you mean? With the nanny. You're at the house? I spend the day at the house with the nanny.

Oh. So we just help each other. Oh, when you're home. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's great. It's the perfect balance in my opinion. We do the same thing. We do the same thing.

Like you can step out, do your thing, do come back and like, it's perfect. Like I can go to my, I can go to grocery store. Exactly. Without a kid. Yes. You need your alone time. Exactly. Too much, too much time being surrounded by little people will drive anyone insane.

Especially like going to the gym or... Yeah. 100%. Things like that. 100%. I spend this whole summer with my kid and without the 90 and that's probably one of the hardest thing for me as becoming a mom and getting married after... Because I spend the last 10 years traveling to well on my own. Yeah.

And doing what I wanted whenever I wanted. And then all of a sudden I'm... I have responsibilities. towards people, towards a husband, and towards a kid. Then it's like, you know what, I'm pregnant. I want to enjoy a summer alone with my kids, so we can't actually do that. And it was hard for me. It was not to have a single moment from the time you wake up all the way to when you go to bed,

by the time you put to bed, you're not watching Netflix, you're not watching a movie. You're like. You're done. And you do it again and again and again and again and again. Yeah. It was about the time I actually stopped spearfishing when I had my first kid. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just you don't have the freedom anymore. So spear fishing, you leave early and you, I'm like, sorry. She calling back. Yes, and I have a Spanish nanny too. You speak Spanish too? That's crazy. How many languages do you speak? I had to.

I became fluent because I spent my whole day with a Spanish nanny, so I had to learn Spanish. That's how you learned? Yeah. Over the last two years? Yeah. Wow. Completely fluent. Just by having a Spanish nanny?

I mean, I was speaking Spanish all day long to somebody who didn't speak a word of English. She didn't speak any English. Nothing. Did you do anything else to try to supplement it? Did you like... Duolingo? What is it? Duolingo.

What's that? The app. Oh, I haven't heard of it. That's it. I mean, it's the best thing you can do, speak every day. So for eight hours a day, I had to explain... That's impressive. Yeah, I'm impressed.

I've been living around Spanish people my whole life and I still can't speak fucking lick at Spanish. But you have the option of not speaking Spanish. You know, when I spend in my house eight hours a day with somebody who's and her ability of learning English, I don't know why I'm over it, absolutely zero. Absolutely zero. Not even a word. I was trying to teach you some words and shit like like grapes.

She was like, grape. I was like, no. great and like she couldn't so I was like all right I want Spanish whatever so freaking crazy that's a good what was your first language French French yeah so you were you you were raised to learn French when you were a kid and then how old were you when you learned English about 21 when I moved to the UK I wonder if it was easier for you to learn Spanish because you already were able to jump from one language to another? I think it was easier for me to learn Spanish because I speak French. Oh, really? You think French is more compatible with Spanish? Yeah, so they're both

Latin languages. So there's a lot of words that are very similar. French is a Latin language? Yeah. Why did I not know that? Did you know that? I know that most languages are divided into like two or three. Did you know French was a Latin language, Steve? No, not specifically. So let's in Spanish and French, a table is feminine. And French, it's also feminine. Oh, no way. So that's a lot of resemblance because of that. So that's easier.

That's fascinating. So when you learn Spanish, did you like, when you do these languages, when you try to learn new languages, you usually like try to compare one word in one language to another word and another language. Right? So you're like trying to like, I'm trying to figure out what does table mean? Tabla table. Meza. Were you going from French to Spanish or were you going from English to Spanish? English to Spanish.

English to Spanish. Yeah. I use a lot of Google Translate and I would make myself, instead of just showing it, I was reading it to her. So that helped a lot. So instead of being like, okay, just read this or like press play and then Google Translate read it for her, I was reading it. So if she didn't understand, I have to repeat it until I pronounce it's good enough. The way you were just rattling that sentence off to her sounded like you've been speaking Spanish your whole life. That's why I'm like, I'm like, I'm like. I mean, that's crazy, impressive.

It's funny because my husband speaks Spanish. I'm like, so now it's your turn. You should learn French. No, so far not so good. That's fascinating. Wow. Well, we just did crazy three-hour podcast, so thank you. That was fun.

That's awesome. Thank you for having me. We talked about so many things. Yeah, we did. We covered all the bases, for sure. Tell people where they can learn more about your stuff and follow all your social media stuff and all that. Just my Instagram, Valentine Thomas,

And that's it. Are you working on any like documentaries or projects or anything in the future or? No, I've been scaling back. Yeah. Especially because I'm pregnant. And let's see. I've been kind of winding down out of social media. Okay.

I still respond to people as much as I can because I think if you take the time to send me a message, I try to. Yeah. Answer questions and things like that. But it's, yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do. next year. I don't know yet. It's, it's, I kind of find that spending my whole career depending on comments and like is probably not for me. So I don't know. Yeah. Let's see. Well, good for you. I want you to do with kids too. Right. I've been showcasing my life for the last 15 years. Now I have kids. Why do I put my kids in there? Right. I don't know.

Well, that's cool. That's brave. admirable. Cool. Well, we'll look all your stuff below. And thanks again. That was fun. Of course, thank you. Oh, we have Patreon stuff?

No? No, we do have one question from Timothy Berry. It's right up there. Okay, so you know what Patreon is? So we have people that pay us to get like early access to our episodes and we let them ask like specific questions to the guests. And we usually do them like after the show. But since we only have one, we'll just do it right here. So this guy says for sustainable fishing, what can ordinary fishermen

do to help? Very broad question. Not commercial fishermen. For sustainable fishing, what can ordinary fishermen do to help? Something about like recreational fishermen. Yes, recreation. Just respect the rules. Yeah.

All the rules. As much as possible. Yeah. Sometimes you don't disagree with it, but yeah, I guess better be saved and sorry. They finally put recreational into the numbers because they discard it for a real long time. being like it's not significant enough, but I think they realized it was actually much more than they thought it would be. Interesting.

So it's a lot. The recreational fishing lands a lot of fish over year. Yeah. Especially the guys that go out every weekend and just like load the bow full of grouper and stuff. Oh, yeah. So recreational is not. No, that's commercial. Charters are commercial, right?

No, that's recreational. Charters are recreational? Yeah. Oh. Wow. Commercial fishing is when you catch a fish to sell the fish. Okay. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah. And what was the other thing that there is a certain animal that maybe it's elk that cannot be sold commercially? Have you heard about this? There are certain animals that you can hunt in the United States that when you catch them, it's literally illegal to sell the meat. only allowed to give it away or keep it for your personal use. I don't think you're allowed to sell any wild game. Yeah, wild game.

Wild game animals like deer and elk cannot be sold commercially for meat in the USA because they're not regulated or inspected as livestock. Additionally endangered species such as tigers, wild-cared, exotic animals can't be sold. Well, that's... I think because of like parasites and things like because they can't monitor the, the meat, then they're just not allowed to do that. Because they can't monitor the sea meat that they pull out of the sea either, right? No.

They're definitely not testing every single one of them. Right. Well, you would see that would be a great way to sustain the populations too to make it so you can't sell it. That way you're not, this industry can't be built up around it, right? It's like a sport. I mean, let's see because now, let's see what Trump you think that now he's allowed small farmers to, let's see how that's going to work out. What is that one? I don't even know what that is.

So he just said, he just announced that now small farms are going to be able to process their meat instead of using the four big meat processor that have monopoly in the U.S. And now they're going to be able to do it themselves. I don't know how they're to monitor for safety for eating that. That's interesting. But let's see. But while they would be, I don't know. And it might be too expensive for them to do too, right? It's probably way cheaper to ship it off.

I mean, you're going to have to equip themselves for processing. That's a lot of money. money, yeah. But I think they would make more money at the end. Right. Probably. So if you can get the investments to do that, then it would probably be better. Probably.

I'm not super. Well, let's see. I mean, hey, again, if you have the privilege of going outside of catching a on, like, my daughter's just turned two this winter, she's coming with me hunting. Really? Yeah. That's awesome. Actually, maybe, let's see with the baby.

When are you going to get her in the ocean? If I'm going to go hunting, but that's going to be a little longer. No, because I don't know. I mean, they can't really swim until properly swim until they three. The time she can swim with fins and the snorkel and not cry about it. Yeah. We'll probably start with hunting. Also, it's because it's have a friend that has.

You're in Texas too. Yeah, exactly. It's going to be much easier for me to do that. But, yeah, let's see how she reacts. Yeah. I don't think I'm going to. My grandmother used to tell me stories about when she was a kid. And she used to, like, her job was to go pick up a rabbit from the yard and then break the neck and bring it.

and bring it inside and remove the skin and how you get these desensitized. I cried like a little baby the first time I went hunting. Yeah, well, it's so much different killing a mammal. It is very different killing a mammal. You know? Like I've never, like I said, I've never hunted, like traditional hunting. Like I've never, actually I take that back. I think I shot a deer once. Yeah, I did, when I was really young, I did like a small little deer hunt one night. And then, but like, fish are so much different.

You don't have that feeling with fish, you know. They don't have those big doughy eyes where it's like, doesn't breathe air. You can have it funny enough when they, and I wasn't thinking about it and it was crazy. When you see white around the eyes, you tend to feel more compassion. Yeah. So like a tuna, by example, a tuna can like look like this and then you're going to see some white on the sand on the corner of his eyes. and then you're going to feel more compassion. Really?

Because the eyes looks like yours more. I didn't know the tune even had whites on their eyes. Yeah, sometimes. I have photos from tuning on my phone and they're just like, yeah. Yeah, it's something about like, because it looks like our eyes, if we see something that reminds us of us or maybe, or it feels like it's more human to us

or feel more connected to it if it looks like us, it's like fish don't feel like they have a soul. Yeah. You know, like a grouper or a snapper or something like that or a fucking barracuda. They're like, they don't, they feel soulless. That might sound very soulless of me to say, but it does, it does feel like that. You feel it more with bigger fish, I would say.

Like a big, big tuna. Yeah. I think you feel like it's a little bit more, but. Yeah. Who knows? Yeah. Well, thank you. That was a marathon podcast.

That was fun. Of course, thank you. We'll like all yourself below. Good night, folks.