Danny Jones Podcast - #437 - New Iran UFO, Project Blue Beam & Nukes On the Moon | Darcy Weir

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Darcy Weir is an independent documentary filmmaker focused on UFOs/UAPs, secret government programs, the paranormal, underground bases, and related unexplained subjects. SPONSORS https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DANNY - Use code DANNY & get $150 if you win your first $5 lineup! https://www.amentara.com/go/dj - Use code DJP22 for 22% off first order. https://mod.com - Use code DANNY for 10% off your first order PLUS free shipping. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS https://www.instagram.com/darcyweirfilms https://x.com/Occultjourneys *NEW* DJP MERCH https://dannyjonespodcast.com Get paid to make clips from the show: https://discord.com/invite/dannyjones FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Dinosaur Stargates in an alleged NSA file 08:05 - The claim Venezuela was invaded for a Stargate 15:58 - The Atacama mummy's human DNA test 22:29 - The whistleblower who called black triangles US tech 26:21 - NASA's sightings revealed in the UFO files 30:49 - The Air Force's 1958 plan to arm the Moon with nukes 34:02 - X-15 pilots reported saucers pacing their craft 38:24 - Gary McKinnon hacked NASA with blank passwords 43:50 - What Gary McKinnon says he saw inside NASA 47:36 - The Solar Warden Program 55:38 - Inspiration behind Project Stargate 01:01:15 - If the US has UFO tech, why not use it in Iran? 01:05:25 - Pascagoula alien abduction incident 01:12:07 - Corey Goode's abduction story 01:16:48 - Corey Goode's questionable copyright 01:27:34 - Could UFO encounters originate in consciousness? 01:34:52 - What NASA's ultraviolet cameras saw in space 01:39:12 - NASA shuttle crews spotted "alien spacecrafts" 01:43:33 - Buzz Aldrin's UFO confession 01:47:42 - Ultraterrestrial breakaway civilization theory 01:52:26 - The triangle UFO filmed over Tehran 01:59:24 - Tehran UFO incident of 1976 02:06:32 - "Fastmover" underwater UFOs 02:15:37 - Alleged 4K UFO satellite images 02:26:34 - Project Bluebeam's laser technology 02:30:56 - Annie Jacobsen's source on Roswell 02:37:22 - Why would Roswell's 'aliens' look human? 02:41:23 - Why the Nazca Mummies are a hoax 02:56:46 - Nazca Mummies have thumb joints 03:04:00 - The Chris Bledsoe orbs 03:10:22 - Why did NASA figures visit Chris Bledsoe? 03:14:03 - Darcy's biggest skepticism of Chris Bledsoe 03:18:56 - The Bledsoe neuralizer story Danny cut Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All right, Darcy Weir. Good to finally meet you, bro. Good to meet you, too. You ready to talk about some alien dinosaur portals? Let's talk about them. Stargates. Yeah, I just saying you that earlier. This thing that just came across my feed, there's an NSA leaked document of dinosaur stargates. Yeah.

There we go. Look at that. Barney going through Stargates from the Defense Intelligence Reference. It's a Defense Intelligence Reference document of trans, trans, trans, trans, traversable wormholes, stargates, and negative energy. And Steve, you're pointing out that the dinosaur there is like a pre-60s dinosaur drawing? This dinosaur, yeah. So dinosaurs that drag their tails is not a real thing.

And that was like something that they thought, you know, whenever they first found dinosaurs. So if you watch the first King Kong, the stop motion one, that one drags his tail. And it wasn't until, I don't know, like the 70s. maybe 60s maybe they changed it so this isn't a very old rendition it's fucking hilarious it looks a lot like barney and that guy's very silly looking also it looks pretty delulu you know like delusional to me well that's the thing a lot of this stuff dude a lot of this old cold war intelligence stuff on the face of it sounds extremely sensational and delusional well as soon as i see stargate by Fig 7, I get a little worried because, you know, you even saw the recent Dark Alliance

the next generation. And we cover the whole Stargate delusional propaganda that's been pushed into the UFO community for the past two decades. And like the leader of that discussion is Michael Sala. He's been pushing that Stargates are real. They're not fiction. They're not from the movies starring Kurt Russell and David Spader. But every time we invade a country, we're not invading a country for oil or some other strategic, you know, advantage. But we're invading for a Stargate.

That was one of my favorite stories from that doc when the claim was that George, Bush and Dick Cheney invaded Iraq to unlock a stargate that Saddam Hussein was hiding. Is that right? Yeah. So 9-11 happens. Very real. I think there's conspiracies around that that are real, like building seven, you know, standing free fall collapsing without being hit by planes. But, you know, we also, You've had, what's her name, talking about the missing money. Catherine Fitz. Catherine Fitz on your show. Catherine Fitz was who the government used as like an accounting genius.

Yeah, she was a head of HUD. Yeah, to look after and track down what happened to trillions of dollars. Mm-hmm. And she couldn't find it. Her theory is that it went to black budget shit. That's right. which, you know, perfectly fits in a UFO or, you know, deep underground military base sort of clandestine world that would be building stuff and keeping it out of sight, out of sound from the American public, or adversaries' abilities to look at it. But the story quickly got co-opted by the Dululu, like UFO crowd, like Michael.

Salah and they said, well, you know, they're invading Iraq for Stargate. I love that story. Yeah. That's way better than the story they ran with. And I think that's what happens constantly in this community. There's probably some element of truth to a conspiracy going on, right? But the folks who kind of run this strange propaganda, a delusional propaganda machine, whether that's coming from Gaia TV or one of these sort of approved network entertainers that have appeared on their show, they kind of pick up a story and they repeat it until it becomes sort of fact in the UFO community. There's crooks and grifters in every community. There is, but when you see the same sort of activity,

that you see on, let's say, CNN, Fox News, ABC, CNBC, where a story headline is repeated by every single news anchor, you know, and that activity, when you see it happening, you're like, okay, they're trying to, you know, propagandize something because they're just, they're condensing it and trying to get it into all of our heads that this is truth. That happens in the UFO community and it usually is backed by

very large networks that have lots of money behind them and I think you know companies like Guy at TV have been guilty of that. What is this? This is the Stargate man himself, Michael Sala. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. I remember him from your documentary. Yeah. So this guy seemed like he started out like a normal dude. Yeah, I think a lot of people in the UFO community do. What happened with him was he briefly worked at Columbus University in Washington, D.C. And when he started publishing articles about ETs and, you know, government coverups and stuff, they fired them. Yeah, man.

So, which is f***ed up. I don't agree with them doing that. But that's just the way some of these universities historically have worked. operated. They like to distance themselves from controversy or whatever is going to get in the way of them making money or I mean, what's his name? John Mack's a great case, a great example of that. Yeah, they almost fired him. They didn't fire him though. Oh, they didn't. No, John Mack was reviewed and scrutinized by the board at Harvard University, but he eventually kind of won his case against them and he stayed. Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah. So like people like him, I feel like this guy was, you know, the path that he went down where he got ejected from the university. Then because because he was talking about one thing, he found a community and he found meaning. And he just leaned into it. That's, yeah, that's what it appears. Right. That's a tale. It's as old as time. Yeah. And but the problem with that is that if you never, you know, accept the fact.

fact that you can be wrong about statements you've made. There's a vice article on it. Yeah. Right. I mean, like, this is from 2017 from Iraq. But that other picture you showed, he was now claiming in present day the reason we're in Iran is actually for Stargates. Oh, really?

And yeah, he has a new sort of secret space program, uh, insider guy named JP, um, who for the longest time was doing presentations with a dirt bike helmet on. But JP said the reason we invaded Venezuela was for Stargate technology and stuff under a pyramid that they found there. Right. Like it just, it keeps going. These guys. It's like a spin-off religion, you know? It really is.

Yeah, it's like new age uphology that has. as it's like forefathers and, you know, those forefathers include Michael Sala, Stephen Greer, David Ike, like many, many of these guys that are OGs that just kind of like constantly push this unproven or, you know, undocumented conspiracy about real world events. And but it doesn't seem like they have a huge following of people. I wonder how many people actually like wholeheartedly believe what these people are saying. Well, at least 209,000 on this guy's YouTube channel, but uh, that doesn't mean they believe him. Yeah, that's true. There's probably some people that hate watch, but yeah, um, you know, I mean, I'm sure there's some interesting

information in some of this stuff, you know, it's obviously it's, it's very entertaining, right? He's interviewing Ashton Forbes. Look at that. Yeah. Amazing. And so this guy's running a podcast. Is that right? Is that what this is basically? Yeah. He runs a podcast and he has for, I think about two decades now called exopolitics. Is that RFK's wife? No way. Okay. Okay. Really? No, no, it's not her. I know. I know RFK is homies with Danny Sheehan. I didn't know. Is he really? Yeah. He had a, like, a Christmas dinner or something. than like a year ago and there was a photo inside of RFK's house and Danny Sheehan's like in the group photo. Oh, uh, yeah.

He knows everybody, man. He's connected. He's like the force gump of like crazy historical American conspiracies. Uh, yeah, I don't know about forest gump, but yeah, he's pretty, he's pretty connected. But yeah, I mean, he knows he was greer's lawyer and he was elizondo's lawyer. At the same time. At the same time. Yeah, which I think is a bit of a conflict of interest. Wait, they weren't suing each other, though, right?

They were, who are the, has that, how would that be a conflict of interest? I think at the time, uh, Lou Alzondo came public and he was getting all these public attacks from Greer and Greer's camp because Greer has his whole network too. They were calling him like a paid actor and, you know, a charlatan and liar and all this stuff. And he said, I think on like CNN or something in an interview when they asked about Greer and his accusations, he said, well, you know, everything about this guy reminds me of Heaven's Gate cult. Really? Which, you know, was a suicide cult. Right.

And Lou is also declared that he wants to destroy euphology. But I think at that time, Danny Sheehan was considered Lou's lawyer and also considered Greer's lawyer while they were feuding. And I don't think that feud ever really stopped. I mean, Greer published three different documentaries

through the Cousins Brothers, third phase of moon. They have like that UFO YouTube channel. Mm-hmm. I've never heard of them. And pretty sure every single one of them, They were just like putting up Lou imagery and saying the guy is like fake and he's a liar or he's paid. Have you had Lou on your show?

Oh, okay. I have had Greer on. What do you think? Wild, wild boy. He's a jagged pill to swallow. We'll put it that way. Yeah. But I've had time to process it.

And I think there's a lot of legitimate information in that guy's head. I just think that the way he's. presents it is convenient for whoever holds the secrets because like I said he's a very jagged pill to swallow and he's very controversial and he's a not a likable guy. Yeah. But I think I can't knock, I mean, I mean his connection to the Rockefellers is obviously insane. His claim about getting offered $2 billion by Stubblebine is insane. But those are great diversions to have in place to get people to not swallow what he's selling. I think that though, like the fact that he's been doing it for so long and he's pretty much

stayed on the same track the whole time, I feel like there's got to be a lot of truth mixed in with a lot of bullshit. Or a lot of bullshit mixed in with truth. Sure. Like I would kind of lean towards that because even the same thing. stumble by, you know, dead man statement is, is really bullshit on the face of it because he had never mentioned that previously to going on Sean Ryan's show. Oh, I thought he did.

No. It was like new bullshit. You know what I mean? Yeah. I thought I heard this on, no, he said this on Joe Rogan's podcast way before that. Did he? Yep. I remember listening to him on Joe Ron.

The one that Joe, like, erased. No, no, it's still available. Really? I think. I thought Joe erased it. Really? Did Joe erase it? When he went on Spotify.

Oh, you might be right. Yeah, when Joe's show. I found it, though. I found it. It's on YouTube still. Type in Stephen Greer Joe Rogan podcast. And I guarantee you you can find it on there. I remember listening to it when I was driving to Miami one day. There it is right there.

Subalbine was like a credible figure. He obviously was involved in like the research of you. and, you know, remote viewing, for sure. I could be wrong. I don't think he, I'm pretty sure. But I feel like, I'm not posted by Joe. No, it's not. He deleted it. He must have deleted it. Yeah.

But I want to say I remember him saying that in this episode, I could be wrong. Yeah. In that same interview, Joe was like, yo, you know your documentary is serious. You feature a guy named David Wilcox. I remember that. And he's like, David Wilcox, kind of a questionable character. He thinks he's a reincarnation of Edgar Casey. David Wilcox, like, glazing Stephen Greer in the interview. It's like, dude, that, that documentary is one of the most unwatchable things I've ever seen.

So you've had Rizwan Verk on before, right? Yeah. Yeah. Rizwan Verk is good friends with the producers of Sirius. Mm-hmm. And I got a chance to interview Riz recently for Doc I've been working on. And he said that the producers of that documentary had such a hard time with Greer, because Greer's such an egomaniac and control freak,

that they like basically almost rage quit the making of that film, and they vowed to never work with them again, which is the truth. What was the basis of that movie again? Serious? That, you know, we're being contacted by aliens and the government's covering it up. Like the same sort of stuff that's in a lot of documentaries, but they also featured the, I think the Atacama Mummy, which turned out to be a deformed baby. And they said it was an alien when Gary Nolan did a forensic analysis of that body.

by his lab at his university. Is this the mummy? That's it. It's just a deformed baby, but they said it's an alien. Yeah, essentially it came back that it was 100% human DNA, so on and so forth. Yeah.

And who said that, Nolan? Gary Nolan's lab did. They did, you know, like, kind of peer reviewed. So it was handed to all the, experts in their field that would review the DNA, take samples, all that stuff. And when he published that, Greer said, oh, the CIA got to him and all this stuff. And like, it became this feud.

But yeah, you know, it's like, okay, moving on. All these people are weirdos, man. All the high level, like, authoritative voices in the UFO space are very strange to me. There's a lot of red flags that go up for all of them. I don't trust anyone. It gets kind of like cult leader-esque, yeah. Football is heating up, and prize picks has become one of my favorite ways to stay locked in on the players I'm already watching. It's daily fantasy and the app makes it really simple. You build your lineup around the players that you like, choose more or less on their player projections, and then follow everything right inside the app.

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on everything that's going on. I think that there's obviously legit UFO cases that have happened in the past, that we have plenty of testimony and data to prove actually happened are real. But whether those are aliens, you know, crypto-terrestrials, all all these other explanations extra-dimensional angels demons

I can't say for certain what they are you know I just hold my my opinions my opinions open and my mind kind of like open to the ideas but I want to see data you know like real documentable proof that this can be proof or this can be proven. Mm-hmm. So. What do you think about all the shit that the government's released, though, like all those videos that the pilots are seeing, all the shit that they claim to be seeing in those

congressional hearings and. Yeah, no, like I was at one of the congressional hearings. I was at the one where Tim Gallaudet spoke in November of 2020, I think three or 2024, 2024, I think. Mm-hmm. And I believe people like Tim Gallaudet, who served for the Navy for seven years, have you had him on?

Yeah, he's great. Love that guy. Got to speak with him. I made a documentary about the ocean and, you know, cases throughout history that shows something anomalous happening in oceans all around the world. Mm-hmm. But, you know, I think that,

there are people that come to the field that are just looking to exploit and create kind of like a attention mire that draws this whole phenomenon into the garbage. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like the Stargate people trying to poison the well. Yeah. Or people that want to add. their own flavor to the, because it's become like an entertainment complex. You know what I mean? There's like the UFO attainment complex or the disclosure entertainment complex. Like how many documentaries do you think have been released that have disclosure in the title

or in the in the metadata somewhere? You know what I mean? Yeah. And how many congressmen and senators want to tie themselves to the UFO topic so they can get more popular, you know, more popular support for people? Yeah. And I think because it's become so popular in the public, it is a perfect diversionary sort of entertainment topic on news to draw people's attention away from the Epstein files, the Iran. on war and the growing debt crisis, like all very real things, you know what I mean? Yeah. Or the fact that we are like probably keeping

exotic technologies from the public eye. So if you look at the UFO subject, every decade that somebody has come out and said, I've seen an extraterrestrial. or I have witnessed a UFO craft. There have been other people that have said, we've made breakthroughs in, you know, alternate propulsion technology or energy.

So, you know, a good example is Jeremy Reese, your buddy. Yeah. He did a deep dive and became good friends with this guy named Edgar Rothschild Foucher, who... What a great name. Great name. Yeah. In 1998, he started going to UFO conferences as a whistleblower and saying, hey, you know those

triangles that people saw throughout this decade? Because we had the Belgian UFO wave, which was all black triangles. We had all kinds of cases ranging from like the 80s to 90s around the time that he went public. He said, this is our tech. This Rothschild guy? Yeah. Edgar Rothschild.

Foucher. And Jeremy actually tracked back to, like he ended up speaking to, I can't remember the individual's name, but it was a guy who worked at Area 51, you know, documentable as personnel of Area 51. He asked this guy, hey, can you let me know if Edgar worked at the base during these times? And this guy said, I can need. either confirmed or deny, which is what you usually say when you want to say to the person, something is here, but I can't say yes, right? And Edgar provided photos of him working under a F-117 at Area 51. So we know that he was involved in, you know, the Air Force. He was, you know, He had an Air Force record of working for the Air Force and possibly did work at Area 51.

You know, after he went public, he wasn't a figure that was on television constantly after that, not like, you know, Lou or David Grush or any of these other whistleblowers. He kind of hid, you know, he didn't want to become this massive personality that was talking about us, our own anti-gravity breakthrough tech. And then he died from cancer. So I think that there's a lot of evidence that we might have been building our own advanced tech and then telling the public it's aliens,

it's cryptotrestrials, it's Stargate portal dinosaurs or whatever, right? That makes sense. And that's what also has been worried. When you look at the tranches that have dropped, there's literal like CGI or AI-looking images that are in there. Or like this. What is the deal with this latest tranche?

What's the story with this? I haven't reviewed it, to be honest, but that Dirds document Stargate portal thing has me concerned. Like it makes me, it makes. Yeah, exactly. Why? Why would that concern anyone?

Exactly. Well, I think they're not aiming for those documents to convince you or I who have, you know, more of a bird's eye view of this whole UFO subject. They're looking to convince, like, the soccer mom and the, you know, newcomer to the UFO subject that there's something there there, but probably for their own spin, you know, which. I mean, who knows what's going to happen in the next two years. Is it just going to be Trump forever or is it going to be? Maybe. Some people think he's going to get a third term. So this tranche is basically like another drop of his, his UFO file deal.

Tranch six, yeah. Because the first one, oh, this is number six. Yeah. The first one was a bunch of shit that's already been public. Actually, NASA space pitchers. documents, a lot of, and even like voice recordings of, I think, Gene Cernan from Apollo 17 saying, yeah, hey, we're seeing some lights outside of the capsule and so on and so forth. So all this stuff was already online, like available online though. A lot of it was. And I think they were kind of,

you know, seating the public with the idea that some of this UFO activity during the Apollo space age may have been real. You know, some of our astronauts seeing stuff could have been real. Some astronauts could have just saw stuff that we had never seen before because, again, these were pioneering days in space. Yeah, we'd never been out there before.

We'd never been out there before. We didn't even know the physics of the environment, really. You know, and a good example of that, when the Mercury mission went off, this is the second capsule. This is the first capsule missions that we built, launched up on rockets and then it would go around Earth and then crash down into the ocean,

right? Before Gemini, before Apollo. And John Glenn, when he went up, he saw little molecules of ice that were built up on the outside of the capsule that were flaking off and then revolving around the capsule because when you have a heavier object in space surrounded by lighter objects, those lighter objects just like the Earth has a moon. Yeah, yeah. Lighter objects can start to get attracted to a larger object in space in a zero gravity environment. And he was seeing these objects revolving and then sometimes trailing off into space. And when the sun glinted on them, they looked like fireflies. So he thought he was seeing some kind of organism.

And this was 1962. When they saw them, when he saw them, this was a public radio broadcast. He was announcing this and people were panicking, you know, kind of like a War of the World's Orson Wells moment where they're like, oh my God, are there things out there with him that are, you know, following,

the capsule and he was saying it's like thousands of these brilliant fireflies right but we had never seen ice particles you know glow right in the sun in a zero g environment right you know in a space environment you know there's a lot of weird things about NASA and the apollo mission especially in the early days totally you know and it's like whenever i get like proper academic people in here and they want to talk to me about this whole thing and like the nuts and bolts part of it and how like if you have any if you think any of the conspiracies revolving the apollo missions or nassas are the least bit true you're absolutely insane and like one of the things that they don't appreciate is that one of the things that jesse michael's always points out so well is that the founders of nassah were it was like a cocktail of ss officers occultists and freemasons

Yeah, yeah, there was like three, three different sort of cults within, you know, you had, what was it, Jack Parsons. Yeah, you know. Elron Hubbard. And they were like someone trying to summon demons through sex magic. Right. And then. Alistair Crowley, they were all friends. Yeah.

Yeah. And then you had ex-Nazis who, you know, Werner von Braun and all these guys came over under Project Paperclip. post-World War II. And the American military, we're like, let's put these guys to work. And we become the strongest nation in the world, militarily, and also realizing that space is the ultimate theater you want to conquer, right?

So there was an iron bark memo that I think it came out through a previous FOIA. It's from 1958. And the Air Force in that is saying, Back in 1958, we intend to put nuclear bombs into space and on the moon to have the ultimate, you know, advantage over the earth. So if one of our adversaries is trying to mess with us, see you later. This was in 1958, right? They wanted to arm space to the teeth.

and I don't think there's any reason they haven't done that. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, there's a rocket that goes up in King Pinaver almost every day, a SpaceX rocket. Yep. And SpaceX has completely DOD classified access and, you know. It's really frightening to me how all of these agencies that spun out of NASA have, NASA has basically become privatized. Yeah.

Well, NASA doesn't even have to really, I think long term. They don't even have to exist. Dude, 1958, the U.S. Air Force created Project A119 to study nuclear explosions on the moon. What the fuck? While classified iron bark CIA intelligence files later detailed Cold War assessments of advanced and nuclear-powered space rockets. I'd heard about that one. Yeah. And the purpose of it, the flash would be visible from Earth.

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So, you know, I made a documentary called NASA's first missions, and that's part of like a series I did called Secret Space UFOs. And that covers everything from the X-15 missions right through to the end of the J-E-F-O-O-F-O-O-Fos. Right through to the end of the G. Gemini missions.

Scoot this way a tiny bit. Yeah. And even during the X-15 missions, there was Robert Walker and Joe White, two of the first pilots to ever be declared astronauts. They flew on a rocket-propelled space plane that launched off of the wing of a B-2B-52 bomber. Kind of like Virgin Galactic does the same thing,

but for rich tourists. And when they went up there, both pilots reported that they saw objects like UFOs, like the classic saucer shapes, pacing their craft in space. I believe it was Joe White. He went on, he did an interview for Life magazine. Life magazine was like the biggest magazine back in the 19,

And he said, yeah, like at first I thought it might have been something that flaked off the craft and was just stuck in space following me. But he said whatever it was, it was speeding up and keeping pace with the craft. It was not from that. Wow. And that's back in, I think his mission was like 1961. So since NASA's inception, astronauts have been proclaiming that they've seen stuff in space that we shouldn't have, you know, that was beyond our liquid rocket technology at that time. Do you believe Gary McKinnon's account of what he saw when he hacked NASA? Yeah, I do. I think that is probably the most true version we'll ever get of a possible secret space program. You know, like we have the NASA public space program.

For people who weren't aware, give them a quick rundown on what that was. So the, let's call it the fabled secret space program, the kind of like Dululu sciop version that came out of Guy a TV. That became popular in around 2015 with people like Corey Good, David Wilcock, proclaiming that there was this secret space. program where people, regular people, would be inducted into this clandestine paramilitary space program. They would serve in a 20-year service in space. Time traveling. Well, they would just, you know, let's say we approach you, come with us, we're going to launch you into space. You're going to fight reptilians and... Fuck, yeah. Graze or whatever.

Uh-huh. And then when you're done your 20-year service, we're going to bring you back to Earth and we're going to age regress you, Benjamin Button-style back to the year that we took you. And usually it's like a teenage is what they say, right? But there's many different flavors. There's no consistency.

Um, there's no proof, right? There's literally not a single shred of proof that these people are telling the truth. Mm-hmm. Um, either from the Air Force, the Navy, NASA, whatever. To Greer's credit, he's never said he's done any of this shit. No, no.

You know, but he has held up a NASCAR mummy hand that's like, you know, pretty sketchy looking and obviously a piece of art. The bars love. And the bugosphere, the bogus sphere. So, you know, I think at some time you've got to kind of back away from bullshit. But yeah, so that SSP Secret Space program fabled mythology has really taken root and become the major conversation for people in the UFO community. And something we did in Dark Alliance The Next Generation, not Star Trek. So I got authorization from Richard Dolan.

to include his interview with Gary McKinnon. So you'll see this interview where Gary is talking to him about his experience, seeing this stuff. So Gary used this very basic way of hacking into servers back in the 90s. I used to work in IT in a help desk role so I can totally understand what this is like. But when you set up a server the first time

as like a network admin at a company. Usually you're connecting that to a desktop, server computer, right? The software is, let's say, of the time, Windows 2000, server 2000. And the default account when you install that software is administrator with no password. Because they expect you as a smart IT guy

to start to harden your OS, your Windows server, with security, which the first step would be you create another administrator account on the same machine, you change the name from administrator to Danny Jones podcast, and then you create a password for that, right? What he realized is that a lot of people out there are lazy, and they set up a machine and they just keep it at administrator, blank password. So he wrote this script to find all of these IP network addresses for servers for different places, like that were major military or space-based administrations for the United States.

He was obsessed with UFOs. Because he listened to Adonahe. testimony during the Greer Disclosure Project days of 2001. And she proclaimed that she worked as a contractor. I think it was, I want to say it was like JPL propulsion lab or something. And one of her associates, friends, was invited in, she was invited by him to look at some photos that they had taken from space of just Earth's surface. And at that point, he said, what do you think that is?

And it was like a classic saucer-shaped UFO, but from the top. You know, look up, there's a documentary out now called the Cote Photo, which is, C-O-T-E. I'm just shouting it out because fellow documentarian that's covering UFO stuff. But that's like a classic saucer shape UFO from a satellite view. And he said, yeah, we just airbrush all these out. Like we have to get rid of these before they go to a university to be public or, you know. It's a whole movie about this one photo.

Apparently, yeah. Wow. Yeah. You know, hopefully it's good. I haven't seen it yet. But the point is that there's probably a lot of administrations that have been capturing satellite imagery or, you know. Administrations? Like military, Air Force, NASA, NSA.

What's the one that? NRO. N.R. NRO reports they're basically a collection. Isn't there an underwater NRO too? I forget the acronym for that one. Yeah. There's an underwater NRO.

Yeah, yeah. What's his name? I think you've had him on. Gerb. Gerb. Yeah, he was telling me about that. The mega brain of these secret. Dolan was telling me about that also when he was here because he wrote a book recently

about the underwater UFO stuff. Yeah. So I think there's all these different agencies, let's call them. that are either collection, they have tools to collect this kind of data and then scrub it, you know, or sequester it, put it away, archive it forever, only for, you know, authorized eyes only type thing.

Right. But Gary McKinnon, back to him, like his testimony is credible, and he hacked into, I can't remember what the, I think he hacked into one of the buildings. Norad and like a space command. Yeah. I can't remember what it is.

He was trying to hack the Pentagon and shit. He was huge. The one of the building that he hacked was in, I think it was in Houston. Yep. Yeah. What was it? It was Houston. One of the buildings in Houston.

I can't remember the name of the building though. He told us on that one thing we did. So this is the story of his credible experience witnessing not only photos that looked like UFOs in space, like, you know, Fast Walkers, let's call them. Because that's what the Air Force literally deemed through their Air Force manuals and John Greenwald's FOIA requests that Fast Walkers existed. Like, these are space-based, unidentified flying objects. So he saw this evidence of photos of what looked like an object that was not built by, you know, us, floating above the earth. And his access got cut off by a network admin who was probing who he was at the time.

and, you know, prior to that, he had seen, let's say, like an Excel list of off-world terrestrial officers or something? Yeah. Yeah. So. And there was a bunch of people, like over 100 people on that list. Yeah, dudes who are in space that we don't know about in the public, right? So they could be Air Force.

They could be Navy. I think it was Navy, actually. Yeah, he explained to us how. how the picture was loading. And he was on a dial-up connection. And the picture was loading like very, very slowly. It was probably like a 56K modem at the time. And it was loading line by line.

Exactly. And he got like right down to like the bottom of the craft, which he said it was a metallic cigar-shaped craft with two little golf ball. Exactly. That's exactly what he said it looked like right there. Yeah. And then someone pulled the plug on it and he got kicked out. Yeah.

So that's like a. And my thing. artistic rendition. Right. And this is not, he didn't, he didn't get a screenshot. No, he didn't, he got, he got, just taking his oral testimony. That's right.

So we're trusting him on his word. But what makes him more credible is that the United States tried to extradite him to possibly to Guantanamo Bay. One of the most aggressive extradition. Process. Yeah. That the US has ever done. Like on the level of Julian Assange.

Yeah. And actually, he got kind of. of like formally acquitted by Teresa May a previous being having Asperger's right? Yeah, she was claiming like due to his disability he didn't quite you know comprehend and was you know it's it's a disability so he should be let off for this crime and he's done time served he was you know on house arrest in the UK and right he was definitely being constantly monitored he wasn't allowed to access computers in the same way after

like we do with normal hackers in the United States or Canada. So he did serve some form of punishment, but why would they want to extradite him if he didn't do what he said, right? Break into some heavily... They wanted to put him in prison for like 80 years. Yeah, and possibly Guantanamo Bay, which is where you send the most... Kaleeshire Muhammad.

That's where you send the fucking 9-11 terrorists. You send terrorists that have... murdered people. Right. You know what I mean? So that's a credible story. But what happens when this kind of like Dululu group within this New Age UFO community, when they get hold of this information, they spin it.

And Michael Sala started publishing books that that testimony from Gary McKinnon also included him verifying. the solar warden program, which is like this fabled secret space program that the United States sends like nuclear submarine type cigar-shaped objects into space. Oh, wow. And they go around the solar system and they lock it down and they fight aliens like reptilians and stuff, right? it all sounds like interesting, but there's no paper, there's no documentation to prove it, right?

And it's just like it becomes a Lord of the Rings expansion mythology, you know? And Gary in our documentary, when he gets examined by Richard Dolan, he says like, so did this verify the solar warden program? and Gary's like, no, no, no, no. That's the thing that constantly happens by that group. You know, it's either we invaded a country for a Stargate, that's the real reason we went there, or, you know, Solar Warden exists,

or all this testimony from these people that said they've been living a 20-in-backed life. Iran is seven weeks away from a Stargate. We have to attack now. Exactly. Yeah. Well, no, the thing is the Stargate is supposedly ancient alien technology. And Iran has found it.

And they reverse engineered it? No. They just had it. And we want to take it back from them instead of their oil. Right. Yeah. I might believe that more than nukes. Yeah, well, yeah, the weapons of mass destruction was a huge, you know, bullshit reason to invade.

But I think that oil. and having a foothold within the Middle East was the major reason, right? And also, George Bush has admitted, George Bush Jr. is admitted to public. They tried to kill my daddy, you know, because Saddam did try, he planted a car bomb and tried to kill George Bush Sr. in the 90s. Is that proven? Yeah. You can look it up. Yeah.

Pull up the plot, Saddam Hussein's plot to kill. George Bush Sr. Yeah. I don't know about that. So I think like, you know, there was all kinds of motives and reasons that are terrestrial and not Stargate related. But, you know, part of the reason to make these documentaries is try and bring us back to the middle part of the conversation, you know, and have people not spinning off into delusion land and fueling conspiracy that's completely unproven and not useful to the discussion, right? Like when it gets super crazy like that,

it also discounts the conversation from the mainstream. So, you know, you saw Dark Alliance. I also worked with this guy, Nick Larner, and we released the Drifton files, which is covering the NASCA Mummies, whole thing. That was really fun, right? Like, what I like to do in a documentary is go through chronologically, like year by year, as a story is evolving,

and prove what are the foundations to this, right? Like, where did this? this actually come from? Who's been saying this stuff? And the interviews you saw were from interviews I did with Jaime Mao-San back in 2018. Oh, wow. Yeah.

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All right. Quick break. This was the first attempt for the Americans to try and recover a Stargate. But they couldn't capture the Stargate. So when George Bush Jr. took over, he finally accomplished capturing the Stargate. Right. Him and Dick Cheney both. Yes. Mostly Dick Cheney.

That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah, man, it's like the problem with this stuff like Stargates and portals and astral projection, like the point I was making earlier is that it sounds. so kooky and absurd on the face of it, you know? But there actually is like government documents that talk about how they investigated this shit, which is so strange. So I think. So it's like where does it originate? Does it originate in some science fiction writer's mind or does it originate in the government's mind?

Like who's what's it? What's first, the chicken or the egg? Yeah. And we actually cover some of that stuff in Starget. Dark lines the next generation. I mean, even Annie Jacobson says in her DARPA book that the Pentagon invites like crazy top level science fiction writers to the Pentagon to like brainstorm new ideas for like secret future technology. Yeah, think tanks, right? Like where they've got up.

I mean, we're living in a time right now where you can literally talk to AI and build an app at home. It's insane, dude. that a company would have taken, you know, uh, maybe five years to launch and you can launch within a, I launched an AI built app, uh, that plugs into Premiere Pro to help me edit. Really? Yeah. And it like, you know, you don't have to use Opus clip anymore.

You can literally just, uh, put your long form content, whether it's podcast or a feature length film and you can hit analyze, now make social media clips. And it'll convert it all to like 9 by 16, add burned in captions, all that jazz, right from Premiere, right? That took me three months to build it. And, you know. You still use Premiere?

Yeah. Oh, man. Are you DaVinci? I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, we're DaVinci people now. Everybody's, I got to switch it to DaVinci. I've reached out to so many people and like, dude, I'm not using Premiere. First it was Final Cut, then it was Premiere, now it's DaVinci.

It's all DaVinci resolved because you don't have to pay for a month. Before Final Cut, it was, what was the other one? What was the PC version, Final Cut that everyone used back in the day? Oh, like Vegas? Vegas. Vegas Video? Yes. I started on an app in high school called Pinnacle Studio DV back when we had mini-d-V cams.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. That was fun. I started on Imovie. That was my, that was my name. I've always been a Windows guy. But so back to what you were saying, like, where does this sci-fi-style conversation come from? Where does it begin?

Yeah. And, you know, does it start with Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek or did the Pentagon? You know, I think there's lots of proof that, these UFO people are lifting science fiction ideas. They're watching a movie like Stargate. And then nine to ten years later, saying, we invaded Iraq for Stargate. That's literally what happened in the case of Michael Sala.

You think that's what these grifter type people are doing. Yeah. Okay. But. So then why is the government choosing to name their secret operations Stargate? Well, you're talking about, but that's remote viewing. Right, still, who cares? It's like time travel. Yeah, I mean, it's it's consciousness.

Right. Time travel, I guess. It's not like a physical, like walking through a ring and appearing on an alien planet, right? Yeah, maybe because they, well, Stargate, what it was declassified, or it was announced to end in 19, what was it, 92 or 90s? I don't remember. Can't remember. I can remember. I can't remember.

But, you know, obviously it was Project Gondola at one point and all these other secret names that, you know, what's Gondola? There's nothing to do with Stargate. You know what I mean? They just kind of surmised it all as one big project at the end. But it had other project names before that had nothing to do with like, a film made by Roland Demerick. Right. You know what I mean?

I think that sci-fi has had science fiction always, if it's good science fiction, has elements of what could be plausible in reality, right? That's human beings thinking up all this shit at the end of the day, right? And I'm sure it bleeds in, both worlds bleed into each other quite a bit. Yeah, in fact,

If you go back and look at, this is a really interesting one, if you go back and look at Close Encounters of the Third Kind, the opening scene from that movie, which I think people can watch it on YouTube for free, Steven Spielberg's breakthrough sort of UFO film. I'm trying to remember that scene. They're at a NORAD facility. And a guy walks up to...

Oh, the hand scanner? A hand scanner. The Bob Lazar. Exactly. And that came out before Bob Lazar was. went public. That came out in the 1970s, that film. And Bob Lazar said, you know, I used a bone scanner that, because every person has a different

sort of sized digit bone structure, which is unique to them. And that's why the hand scanner would work. It was in Close Encounters of the third kind. Before Bob said that. Decades. But how do we know that the people who made close encounters didn't know that this was already a real thing at some sort of secret military base. When did close encounters come out?

1976. I don't know. Can you find out? Robo Steve. Robo Steve. But yeah, I mean, I speculate that some of this stuff is lifted from sci-fi to make a story seem 77. Yeah. 10 years after we went to the moon.

Yeah. Or a little less than 10 years. We stopped going to the moon in 19, what was it? It's 72. Okay. Was Apollo 17. I'm driving me after our first mission. Yeah.

Yeah, definitely. But then, you know, Bob Lazar, when did Bob Lazar go public? 98, I think. 88 or 84? I believe it was 88. Let's find out. 89. 89.

So lots of time. Got lots of time to build that into your story. But I'm not saying that I disagree with every. everything Bob Lazar has said. Yeah. Maybe he did use a hand scanner. Yeah. Maybe the DOD at the time, now the DOW, had seen that film.

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Or maybe we are. And there's just like a crazy deception going on in the U.S. media that is like painting a whole different narrative. Yeah. Great question. I think because A, we probably don't have enough of the tech. Like if there is something like Edgar Rothschild Foucher had discussed existing, which is the TR3B, which is a big black triangle, uses something called a magnetic field disruptor as its center engine that makes an object weightless up to 98, 99% of its mass.

Mm-hmm. I think there's not enough of them to deploy it. Yeah. You know? And also that would make more sense to, you know, clandestinely build into drone technology. Right. Right. Why would you put a human into something that's going to stop on a dime and then speed at like...

I don't think you would. Yeah. You would just use computers because they don't need to feel inertia or, you know, you don't have to protect. So, but we haven't seen that, right? We've only seen conventional tech and people, poor dudes in the Navy, sitting on an aircraft carrier, some of them starving. Right. To fight out in the Strait of Ormoos right now, right? Right. So I think that's where a lot of this stuff does fall apart in the UFO community.

Like you said, why aren't we using some of this stuff? Maybe it's just like if that technology is real, if we have figured out some level of anti-gravity or some kind of flying saucer that defies modern physics that we understand today, maybe that's just an insane new physics that who knows if it was previous humans that got wiped out or like were a breakaway civilization or if it was a completely different species of something from another place that figured this out for the for a different purpose right and then us apes we get a hold of it and we're like how do we strap a fucking gun to it and maybe that just doesn't work maybe maybe there's there's no way to put a gun on it, you know? Yeah, maybe as soon as you... That's just the lens that we look at everything with. That's what all the money goes to.

Yeah. And everything, everything goes to war. Yeah. If I have the biggest stick, no one's going to attack me type thing. I mean, I don't agree with the notion that Greer has spread for a while now, that the only way to be an intergalactic or interplanetary species is to conquer your warlike tendencies. I think if we're talking about artificial intelligence, for example, which a lot of experiencers have, you know, you could chalk up their experiences as an abductee, for example, as being a sentient,

form that's non-human that possibly is AI-led, you know, artificial intelligence, right? Right. So like a gray, you know, a lot of people have witnessed that or I did a talk about Calvin Parker and Charlie Hickson called Pascagoula 73. It's like a four episode. Each one's about an hour long. What's the story with that? Well, Charlie Hickson and Calvin Parker stated that they were abducted on October 11th, 1973. They were fishing on the Pascagoula River in Mississippi. And when I had first heard about this case, I was like, that's, that's wild. Like, what if these guys really got picked up? The interesting thing about their case is that there

was all these sort of things that pointed to something happening to them, right? They had puncture wounds, which people typically abductees of wit have remarked. They've had scoop marks or, you know, places where genetic material was taken. They reported this incident to the Air Force. The Air Force said, we're not covering that since we closed our case on Project Blue Book. They called the Sheriff's department. The Jackson County Sheriff picked them up and had them in an interrogation room at 11 p.m. that night. And they planted a tape recorder secretly under the table and recorded their whole conversation when Sheriff Fred Diamond and his personnel left. Okay. And they were completely traumatized. Like these guys really

were freaked out of their minds. Something happened to them, you know. Is that audio available still? Yeah, it's in the documentary. And I put subtitles and stuff on all of it because it was the original. So what were they saying when the officers left the room? Oh, they're like saying, you know, just they were frightened. They were saying all kinds of stuff.

Like they're going to think we're alcoholics. They're going to think we're crazy. No one's going to believe this. You know, things you would hear from a sane person. that's worried about telling an insane story. You know what I mean? And before the policeman leaves the room, he does say, have you guys done any drugs?

Have you drank anything tonight? Like that type of thing. They're like, no, sir, no, sir, you know. But anyways, like, that case is interesting. And what they report is something robotic, literally, like floating robots, picking them up, taking them on board of craft. and then this examination happening in two different rooms.

Oh, Jesus, dude. And, like, you know, these things didn't have eyes. They didn't have two legs. They just kind of had, like, these pincer-like appendages, and they were floated a board of craft, and stuff happened to them for, you know, they think it could have been an hour, maybe two hours or something.

Then they were dropped back on the riverbank and traumatized, free time. out. What do they do to him? Well, Calvin reported that he was... These dudes still alive? Both of them are dead now. Okay. Yeah. I interviewed the lead investigator of these cases, this guy named Philip Mantle who wrote Calvin Parker's books. Philip is over in the UK. So I flew to the UK and interviewed him in his home. He's a bit older now. It's hard for him to travel and stuff. But yeah, like, I had never known this case to have a confluence of evidence before. I thought it was just those guys' testimony.

But in documenting that story, I show that there was all kinds of experience, like dozens of people that experienced the UFOs above Mississippi during leading up to and after the incident. So it wasn't like just these two guys that went fishing one night. It was literally like Sheriff Fred Diamond himself published the newspaper that he saw the UFO activity leading up to that night. Other police officers, there was a priest that was driving in his car with two other witnesses that saw this UFO fly over top of their car. there was the Navy and the Coast Guard got involved

because they saw an object glowing in the river and going out into the ocean around the exact same time. And there's a whole document that we published that show that they went up and they actually tried to poke it with a stick under the water. You know, everybody was mystified by this UFO phenomenon at that time. And it just so happened two men were like,

we were taking a board of craft and examined at that time, you know. And that became the major story, but all these other witnesses leading up to and after, were corroborating it, including, you know, the Coast Guard and such. So, um, skeptics have said, you know, might have been a Russian submarine that those guys witnessed. In the river? Yeah.

And that, and that like, that's, Calvin Parker and Charlie Hickson were taken aboard that. You know, there was all kinds of skepticism published around it. Philip J. Class, you know, prominent UFO debunker of the time. So, you know, there's cases like that that have more credence in history than the New Age Secret Space program with the 20 and back, right? because there's literally there there was there was even a UFO video recorded at the same time that this pascagoula incident happened it was not a video would have been a film right because it was the 1970s but we published that also in the doc so um yeah when when you have like everyday like salt

of the earth people like living their normal lives and then all of a sudden this crazy story pops up in their live where it's like okay this person has no connection to hollywood they don't movies, they don't write books, they're not on TV all the time. That's probably more credible than somebody who is in that world, like the Wilcock and the other guy. Yeah, I mean, these, uh, Willcock. Like if you all of a sudden had this story, how you were abducted by aliens and you were gone, I'd be like, you're fucking full of shit. You're trying to make a sell a documentary. Yeah, pretty much. That would be my initial, like, reaction to it. Yeah. And, uh, I think there, that that is like the perfect example. I mean, uh, Corey Good, this guy,

who said he was in this 20 and back mission storyline thing. He said he was picked up by a bubble and flown to a space station and met the enchar and this like galactic federation. Galactic federation is literally from Star Trek, you know, like words lifted right out of sci-fi. And then he proceeded to serve in this 20, year mission and he fought reptilians and all this stuff. He was in underground bases. Like his story, when it hit the scene, it seemed to marry all of these conspiracies that possibly do exist if you talk to Gerb, right? Like he's done serious deep dives on deep underground

military bases existing. What they have there, what they're doing there, you know, We don't know. Right. But there's very good evidence that stuff, activity is happening there, right? Then a secret space program, Gary McKinnon, says, you know, I saw stuff when I hacked into this server or servers. I think it's real secret space activity.

The public doesn't know about it, therefore definitely a secret. But then you have these individuals that come out and get platformed on these massive like sort of new agey uh entertainment networks that's that marry all of these conspiracies into one mega conspiracy so yeah i think uh you know obviously you know that um i'm getting attacked right now by corey good yeah he's taking down all your stuff yeah like copyright claiming it he's Copyright claimed. Does he own the copyright to it? I think in the court of law, absolutely not.

So what happened was every person that he's partnered with over his tenure of being in the UFO community, Leon Isaac Kennedy, Roger Richards Ramsoor, Yvonne Youngblood, Jay Weidner, who was the head of production, auction at Gaia TV, you know, Jordan Sather, all of these people that at one time worked for him

or with him on his projects, he ended up litigating. Oh, nice. Yeah. And in 2022, this court case was well underway between Corey and Leon Isaac Kennedy, Yvonne Youngblood and Richard Ramsoor as defendants. Um, Corey was claiming defamation and attempts of embezzlement and, and all this stuff of his money for his secret space program documentaries and, and productions he had put on. And, uh, a deposition video, a legal, uh, video was recorded in 2022 by the defense team, which is Leon Isaac Kennedy and his lawyer, Linden Webb.

Okay. I remember that he's wearing the glove. He's wearing like a Michael Jackson type wrist glove or something like that. And in that six-hour deposition video, Linden Webb puts it to him, have you ever been to space? And he says, no, I've not been to space. Not in my physical body. Yeah, exactly. Consciously, yeah. Yeah, which is not his original story.

And that's why when you look at these 20 embackers, a lot of them don't have consistency to their story, which should be red flag to normal people, but so many people get swept up and believing it. And Corey recently made a documentary with this Canadian guy, Jason Juan Lim. How recent? 2025. Wow. This guy is still at it. Yeah. And he used some of that deposition video, which is not his. It was recorded by the defense team of Leon Isaac Kennedy, Roger Richards, Ramsoor,

Ivan Youngblood in 2022. And in December 22nd of 2025, Corey filed a copyright certificate for Corey Goode 22 deposition video claiming he created that video. When you file a copyright, you're just paying, the copyright office and saying, you know, this is, this is mine.

Right. But it was just not nothing. If you're the first one to do it, that's definitely something. Right. But in a court of law, technically the person who recorded that video owns that copyright by default. Yes. And further to that, under federal law, if a court case video, a deposition video becomes public, like gets published online. YouTube, which Stephen Cambian, who's a podcaster that runs truth seekers, he published that deposition video in 2022 to his YouTube channel saying like, you know, this is it, guys.

He's admitting, showing everything. I'd become aware of that. And that's when I was making Dark Alliance to kind of like tell this whole story of all these people tied up in this feud. And so when a video that's part of a court proceeding gets published online, it becomes fair use material. It becomes public domain. And he's just creating a copyright on a video he didn't create.

Yeah. And claiming that's mine. Right. And then getting and then filing that to 2BTV, he did it to me, Amazon, uh, um, to my distributors who have been partnered with for years, trying to like erode the relationship I have with a film production company I've been dealing with for over four to five years,

claiming that the video was stolen from him. And it's insane, dude. Like he also filed these copyrights on YouTube and had my trailers. taken down? Yeah. So the way, if I'm aware, if I'm, if it's still the way that it used to be, if I remember correctly, the way it works on YouTube is basically anyone can file a copyright take down on any video they want. They have to fill out an explanation of watch their copyright. And then what happens is it automatically takes that video down. Yeah. So the person who uploaded it,

then the ball's in their court. They say YouTube gives them two options. Option one, this is a takedown, the video's down or whatever, or you can challenge this. And you can basically say, this is wrong or this is false or whatever. And then that person who originally filed the copyright takedown has 30 or 60 days to file an actual lawsuit. Yeah. And if they don't file the lawsuit, the video goes up. Yeah. Goes back up to know.

Yeah. They have to prove in a court of law that their copyright is real and that they are the proven original creator and, you know, can prove that it's their video. And then whatever the outcome of that lawsuit happens, then YouTube has to be notified about what the outcome was and then they'll... Then they'll take it down permanently again, right? But, you know, I can read you an email if, I don't know what the rules are, but I might as well just make this public because it's the truth, right?

This is the character we're dealing with here. So he wrote this to my distribution partner and me, thinking that this would be a good idea. This is how Delulu this person is. Hello, Darcy. I am writing regarding your counter-notification concern regarding Dark Alliance and the use of footage from my registered audio visual work, the deposition of Corey Good, 2022, U.S. copyright registration number. PA2-574-667. We are currently exploring federal litigation

concerning the specific uses of the copyrighted deposition footage if the Dark Alliance films containing that material are not removed or the copyright issue is not authorized otherwise resolved. I understand the position you have taken through the Film Hub counter-notification, notification, your counter notification states you give consent to jurisdiction in the U.S. District Court of for the Central District of California and will accept service of process concerning this

dispute. Okay. So he's like basically starting the threat, right? Like I'm sure. Now, now he's pivoting to, oh, well, you're going to say you'd go to California and fight this legally. We may allow Film Hub's current DMCA deadline to elapse while the litigation strategy is finalized. And if appropriate, initiate a new enforcement process after a federal action has been filed by me or the appropriate and or the appropriate associate media companies. Nothing about allowing the present Film Hub deadline to expire should be interpreted as a waiver, abandonment, or concession concerning my copyright or the disputed uses of the deposition footage. I also want to make you aware the copyright litigation against Stephen Cambian

concerning alleged-on-authorized uses of copyrighted material is being pursued in the United States. In addition, I understand the multiple legal actions are being pursued or prepared by various parties concerning conduct associated with individuals and groups that have harassed David's Wilcoq and me. Those matters are separate from the specific copyright dispute between you and me, but I want you to understand the broader legal environment in which these issues are now being addressed. That said, I would prefer to find a mutually beneficial resolution with you rather than add another lawsuit if that can be reasonably avoided. This is where he should. to extortion. Proposed license resolution. I am willing to discuss granting your company a license

covering the deposition footage used in Dark Alliance documentaries subject to mutually accepted written terms. Rather than asking you for a conventional licensing payment, I would be interested in discussing an exchange of media rights, an access that could potentially benefit both of us. Specifically, I would like access to the full catalog of interviews and original interview footage produced for the two Dark Alliance documentaries to the extent you control the necessary rights to license that material. We're developing a television series for which portions of relevant interviews could be potentially useful. The series is being handled by a professional production company, blah, blah, blah.

But basically he's starting to say, I want to take all of your interviews that you conducted through the Dark Alliance documentaries and use them in my documentary. Right. Like, trying to extort me for stuff I filmed, that's all my actual property, and that I've gotten released for.

Like, legitimately, when I got that deposition video, I interviewed Leon Isaac Kennedy, and he's the originator of that deposition video. Right. And what does he say to you about this footage? Leon signed off. He let me use his interview. I gave him a cut of the documentary and said, like, this is your interview. This is the footage that's around it. He reviewed that and then said, I give express. So if this gets litigated, this guy's got your back.

Yeah, like if this gets litigated in the federal court, like... Which it won't. I would bring all of my documentation. And on top of that, I had a copyright for my film, which included the footage, before he even created his film in 2025. I created my film in 2024. And then the subsequent Dark Alliance Next Generation film in 2025, previous to him even, releasing his Dululu doc about harassment and, you know, being in a secret space program. Right.

Yeah. People are, some people are just shitbags. It's crazy, dude. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And like, I figured that telling this story would be of service to the community, right? to people that are trying to navigate conspiracies intellectually and avoid the bullshit, you know. But this is what this person does.

Like it's his MO. He's sued everybody like Jay Wydener. He's in a huge case against Gaia right now, claiming that they're part of a, it's a RICO lawsuit, like a racketeer hearing lawsuit that he started against them, which I think is a world's first in the UFO community. Hold that thought. I got to pee real quick. We'll get back. This whole scene, this whole UFO scene has been overwhelming for me. And it's nice to be able to take a step back from it for a while and try to get like a big, a big picture view of this sort of like maze. that this thing is because to navigate it is really is difficult.

You know, it's just a maze of just slop and lies and there's a lot of truth in there somewhere, I think. Yeah. And a lot of things are true. I mean, I think this, whatever this, whatever the reality of this whole phenomenon is, I feel like it's probably multiple things happening at once. And, you know, the part of it that really gets me curious and gets me interested is the whole, like, consciousness aspect to it all. You know, I had Peter Levenda in here. And I was asking him, I was like, you know, he's a historian of, like, occult stuff. And, like, the early sort of, like, occultists in America and, like, the religious. people and the Freemasons that got into NASA and how that all spun off into all these weird secret

programs. And I asked him, I was like, I was like, if you were in charge, I'm like, how would you try to explore this and find out what the reality of it is? And he said he would take all of the experiencers. And he said he would basically deconstruct their consciousness, like take apart the radio and figure out like what's going on inside the consciousness of these people to figure it out because he thinks it's he thinks it's somehow consciousness based yeah i think without you know having uh watching that interview with him i could kind of surface layer say he's saying uh experience is subjective right and each experiencer may have have different things at play within their own body in their mind that are creating their own subjective experience that's unique some people might be hallucinating some people

might be on drugs some people you know might have some kind of form of psychosis people forget about like there is all kinds of real medical conditions and like real world situations where people see things that are not real. You know what I mean? And some people might be, you know, a scammer or whatever. Yeah. So those are like the negative ways to look at it. But then for the small fraction of people, that have had a physical sighting or experience that has happened in their reality that's not affected by the negative interpretations of what they saw or experienced.

Those are the cases we should litigate. We should really try to understand more about. And, you know, Dr. Edgar Mitchell, before he passed, he did a, this study called the Free Study, F-R-E-E. I don't know if you can look that up. I can't remember what it, but it's all experiencers. And out of all those experiencers, these are like abductees, close encounter type people, near-death experience people.

I think about 80, of, I think it's 3,000 cases that they looked across, most of the people encountered humanoids, like grays or what people would describe as Nordics, which, you know, if you're saying Nordic, a blonde, fair-skinned humanoid with blue eyes, that's a human. right? Just a human doing something that's extremely advanced, you know, like operating UFO and so on and so forth. Which makes me think, you know, are we,

is that person interpreting that interaction with a Nordic as an alien experience, but really it's a human from the future? Like, do we end up creating portals and time traveling and stuff like that? Like, I'm open to that, especially with the advent of AI, accelerating all technologies at the same time. Study connected by Dr. Edgar Mitchell Foundation into extraterrestrials and extraordinary experiences free represents the first comprehensive investigation on individuals who have reported to have had very. forms of contact experiences with non-human intelligent beings associated with or without an unidentified aerial phenomenon. Our research methodology utilizes two comprehensive quantitative surveys, totally 554 questions administered in subjects with reported non-hypnotic memory recall of their experience.

Yeah, so they didn't have hypnosis. They were like lucid individuals reporting something physically that happened to them, you know, or their mind going somewhere outlandish, right? In a near-death experience, many people state that they've seen a non-human entity, you know, when they get to a different realm. They have, like, religious overtones or undertones to those experiences. Those near-death people, a lot of them, they explain them in religious ways. Yeah. and some people have done salvia where they've done what do you call it what did rick strousman

test with the spirit mt DMT and they've seen grace yeah like why is that a common occurrence when people do DMT right right is there something that does exist here in our plane of reality that we just can't see. We can't see. Yes. You know, because the human perception is limited both, you know, electromagnetically and visually. Right.

The human eye can only see to the red spectrum and to the far purple spectrum in color. Beyond that, you've got ultraviolet and you've got infrared and then all these other radio waves that we can't detect or see. but NASA and all these other agencies and stuff are able to peer into that world using technology. Whether that's forward-looking infrared video camera tech or ultraviolet video tech. Like in secret space UFOs and in the Fast Walkers documentary that I created,

we look at NASA proclaiming when they're on STS space shuttle missions that we are now using our glow camera, which is our new experimental ultraviolet vision camera in space. And the reason why they were using that is to see stuff that we can't see normally. And also because like when you're, you're looking at a porthole or into space, everything is black. The earth has blue, right, and some color coming off of it. But, you know, there's extreme saturation. You can't really pick out things, right? Distances and where objects are. Right. Because it's so vast once you

look away from Earth. The ultraviolet camera is able to see stuff that's close. up far away, miles away, you know, stars that are sitting there and then objects that are moving in between. And in that doc, we looked at all these UFO cases. Like, you know, even STS-29, you hear astronaut John E. Blaha claim on a NASA downlink feed, which is like a public television radio feed that people are listening to NASA, we now have an alien spacecraft under observance. So that happened. They said that? Johnny Blaha said that. He claimed he never said that post-mission. And when NASA was asked about it, they said, oh, no, that was not our astronaut. We don't know what that was, but it was on their feed.

It was recorded on their feed. And we know Johnny Blaha's voice to sound just like that. What was he, what was his, what was he doing? Johnny Blaha, what was his specific like title or like his? He was an astronaut. He was an astronaut. He was in space at the time. Okay.

On STS mission 29. So, you know, the space shuttle missions were, we had space shuttle. That was discovery, I think. And we had Columbus, that burned up, that blew up in the atmosphere. We had Endeavour, we had Atlantis, and we had the Challenger, which also blew up. So there was all of these space shuttle missions that were also used to deploy new scientific technology into space and test out things in that environment. But to build the international space station, they would send up parts in those bays that are in the shuttle. They'd open them up.

And a big piece would come out and they would connect that to the ISS. But yeah, there was all of these UFO cases that happened. You know, STS 80 is like a huge UFO video that people have litigated over the years where you see. these objects that look almost like a donut near to the camera that fly into view down below over the Earth's atmosphere and they literally create a big circle formation together um is this sound yeah i think i found the soundbite oh you did yeah cool let's hear it turned astronaut with the headphones on you can hear this is we still have the alien spacecraft

Astronaut. The astonishing admission of a alien spacecraft under a parent The astonishing admission of a UFO in close... Yeah, so that's like an early case, STS-29, but STS-80,

there was a huge, like, UFO formation in this ultraviolet light spectrum camera footage that I was talking about earlier. STS 115, those astronauts, there's a really cool case that we show in my doc, which I think you have the link, it's a YouTube link, you can just pull it up if you want. But these astronauts literally track a triangular formation UFO going over all these different windows of the spacecraft, of the shuttle. and they're reporting it back to Houston. They were really curious about it,

and this is like on live public, you know, being aired. Yeah, so we kind of like cover a whole bunch of these different cases that happened during the space shuttle era that point to something anomalous that even NASA is picking up, but every time they've been questioned about it, they say oh it was space ice it was debris um that was nothing burger you know what i mean so i do wonder if nassah knows a great deal about ufo activity outside our planet and on our planet that they're not honest a bit you know that even their astronauts have proclaimed Like back during the Gemini missions, Frank Borman saw something.

He called a bogey during Gemini 7. James McDivitt tracked a UFO and recorded it during Gemini 4. The list goes on. There's a guy named Leroy Chow who was on the STS missions in the 2000s. He saw a triangle object go right over him when he was doing a spacewalk. You know, outside in naked space. So it's like so many of these astronauts claim to obscene stuff then kind of redact or like change their story a little bit.

I spoke to John James Fox about his encounter with Buzz Aldrin. Oh, yeah. So Buzz Aldrin, during the Apollo 11 mission, he and Neil, they were all like on the way to the moon. They're in cis lunar space and they saw a bright object kind of keeping pace with their craft off in the distance. Right. Right. People speculate that it followed them to the moon. And there's a guy named Ken Johnston, Jr., who worked for NASA,

and he said that he saw negatives and unpublished recordings of the astronauts talking about an alien spacecraft being on the other side of a crater when they were on the lunar surface. I remember that. Um, that's kind of a hard one to prove, but, you know, this is another guy from NASA that's kind of like a whistleblower. Wasn't Neil Armstrong also doing a bunch of weird stuff after that? Like he went to go explore those Teos caves and like he became very interested in what was the story with the Teos caves? I don't remember. Yeah, I'm not actually 100% sure on that story. Is that like the gold tablets or the some kind of.

Yeah, something like that like ancient library of. Yeah. information that seemed kind of like out of place in time. Yeah, but the thing with him and regarding James Fox, when I interviewed him, I basically begged him over like the course of a year to meet up with me because I was making this doc. Who, Buzz Aldrin? James. I met up with him in L.A. and he told me how when Buzz Aldrin first came public and was. talking about, see, he changed his story. He started saying in I think the 70s and 80s,

yeah, like we did see a UFO on the way to the moon. And then later on, he didn't want to talk about it. But before that, James contacted him. He was touring a book in Europe. He was in Monte Carlo at the time, which is extremely expensive, you know, fancy area in Europe. And he agreed to meet James Fox for an interview about this UFO story. And when James flew over there with the crew, was staying in Monte Carlo, which, you know, a hotel is... He flew there just because he said he was going to meet him, right?

Yeah. He goes to the hotel the day of. And apparently this sort of like evasive game was going on for a while. Like he arrived there and when they were supposed to do a recording, Buzz kept postponing it. Not today, not today. Tomorrow, maybe in the next day. And finally, the day that he said, yeah, yeah, okay, I'll meet you like in the late morning. He goes to Buzz's hotel and Buzz called down to reception.

And the French receptionist said, like, Monsieur Fox, Buzz is on the phone. for you. And he took the telephone and Buzz just said, I'm canceling the interview. I don't want to do this. People are going to think I'm crazy. I'm trying to get money for a civilian space project, you know, kind of like Virgin Galactic back then. And I don't want this getting in the way of that. So I'm canceling the interview. And he was, you know, begging him. Like, come on, man. Like you're an authority on this subject if you verify that that actually happened to you on the way to moon. People will take this seriously and UFOs are considered, you know, not real to a lot of people in the public. And he said, you know, I'm just not willing to risk that. So he canceled the interview.

And I think that's like a perfect example of secret space activity, you know, like stuff happening in our space history that's conventional space history that also has anomalous phenomenon that's associated with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So many, there's so many like compelling angles to to this that I think about all the time. And you know, one of the things that I think about when it comes to.

stuff that you're explaining that doesn't make any sense. Like, like, how the fuck could there be these triangle crafts that are out there hanging out loitering between Earth and the moon, right? Which is like, that's right in our vicinity. Like, something's hanging out there, whether it's us or whether it's something else we don't understand. And like, one of the things I was go to is like, is it possible that the same way we exist here on in this timeline on a podcast, you?

You just flew here from, you know, fucking Canada yesterday. And this is going to be seen by like hundreds of thousands of people on the internet. Well, you know, there's lots of technology that we're using. At the same time, there's naked people running around in the jungle. So if you leap from the naked people to us, is it possible that there's another leap from us to something just equally as more advanced as us that we don't really, we aren't really aware of at a high level that's operating here that who knows? Maybe it's, maybe they're exactly the same thing as us. They're just, I don't know, remnants from some ancient civilization that have made it, and in fact, figured out a way to be undetectable.

That's the whole breakaway civilization sort of theory, right? That there's ultra-terrestrials. There are humans that are so far advanced from us, but they were broke, they broke off and they kind of developed at a higher rate. separate from our society, right? And, you know, Michael P. Masters and some other Harvard scientists published that paper not too long ago, but the sort of cryptotterrestrial, ultra-terrestrial theory, right? And that also leaves room for, do we develop time travel?

Do we develop sort of cybernetic capabilities for a certain group of humans here on Earth that are flying around UFOs as well? Right. And they're convincing experiencers, I'm a Nordic. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. Because they don't want to out that they're actually us, but way more advanced. And wouldn't that also square? with the correlation between UFOs

shutting down nukes and stuff like that. Yeah, they don't want to just, they don't want us to destroy the earth. Right. Right. Like, because they are us. And they're trying to like stop a cataclysm event taking place and destroying this amazing planet we live on.

So it's like, it all makes sense. Like if chimps all of a sudden got their hands on machine guns, like we would intervene. Yeah, it would be like, okay, they're going to shoot themselves, right? And they're chimp, uh, area. But yeah, I don't know. It's like it's all speculation, but I kind of come back to theories like that because it's not too far-fetched, right? And the whole evolution angle that Michael Masters explains is brilliant, I think, because the way he says that, you know, if it was an

extraterrestrial that evolved on a different planet with different oxygen, different atmosphere, different radiation levels, different gravity, he's like there's almost, impossibility that they would evolve to be, you know, bipedal hominids with their eyes directly in front of their face. Like, yeah, it would most likely be, because most of the habitable worlds that we're aware of are water worlds. Right. Yeah, that's true. So they wouldn't, they would not likely look like human beings. Well, I mean, that's, that's an interesting aspect of that theory, but also like the Drake equation, which was created by Sir Francis Drake, states that in our galaxy alone, there has to be like, I think, 11 million habitable planets

that are in the Goldilocks zone, which is like Earth, that are rocky, that also have an atmosphere with a sun like ours, which is... Liquid water. Yeah, liquid water. So not like water worlds. These are like Earth in which life could evolve. And then beyond that, you know, have they evolved, created technology, survived past their destructive phase and been able to traverse the galaxy, you know, become interstellar. So, you know, scientifically, it's right there that it's possible. So I'm like open to the extraterrestrial visitation theory, right? I just think that it's,

not the wooey version that we all hear about like in the UFO community because I think what's happening is people that people are so keen to know the answer to this question right like you want to know the truth I want to know there's people with greater minds than us that are trying to figure it out too and there are people that see that opportunity and want to exploit it. They want to say, I know the truth. Forget about like the question. The answer is me. Follow me. And that's where you get people like Corey Good, Michael Sala, and the list goes on that basically claim they know everything that's going on. And actually, you know, something that's interesting that's going on right now that I thought we could bring up because we were talking about like why are,

Are the Americans not deploying, like, triangle UFOs on Iran? Right. There's actually this crazy UFO video that's out right now of a triangle UFO over Iran. Is this? I think I saw Alex Jones post this. A whole bunch of people are talking about this. Find this on X, Steve. But apparently there was a statement today.

You can find it on Alex Jones's X or if you can just search it on X. You can just search triangle UFO Iran. Yeah. And it'll cut. You'll have a million sources for it. think. But so at first glance to me, that looks like a glare. It looks like an object that's being recorded on a window. And that structure and light, no, that's not it. No. It's popping up a lot. Is that it? This is the same thing as that just no. No. This is April.

It's funny. Those are all the same. There. That's it. Alex Jones. Yeah. Trump has released. Okay. Alex says, for a fact, has, oh, no, he's asking a question. I'm sorry. Has Trump released secret weapons technology against Iran to intimidate them? Tehran panics as giant crafts float silently over the city. Alex Jones reveals what's really going on with this potentially massive project blue beam rollout. Yeah. So this is the footage from Iran right here? Right here. So this is. It's not a triangle. Well, I mean, it kind of goes.

Like a half moon. Right. I don't know. So it's moving very slow. People are claiming that that is a glare that's actually being recorded on a window from within, you know, either an apartment or a car and that glowing object. Because what you can do, right? Yeah. To create an optical illusion, you can, I can aim a camera this way.

I can create something. Well, that thing's moving pretty fast, though. Yeah. But the thing is that there's multiple videos of a triangle over Iran that are being released. And then, yes, I read before I came in here that an administration claimed that those are real. Who claimed they were real? I think that Trump's administration claims that these are legit. Can you find this?

Yeah. So. Can you find, can you find Trump is saying? that this is, that Trump talking about Iran, UFO? Or something. Some statement, maybe not Trump, but his administration has made a statement. Or just go back to. Just say Trump administration, Iran, UFO, legit.

Legit is what I read in some headline. Yeah, legit is the kind of like major thing. But we were just talking about triangles possibly being created. by the American industrial military complex, military industrial complex in the past that could eventually be deployed on places like Iran. Why are they not deploying it?

Because they can't put a gun on it, but they don't need to if they can scare the shit out of you, I guess. But what if some of this shit that's coming out right now is literally the Trump administration posturing that tech? I don't know. I don't know. Can you close out of this window, Steve, this video? And then click on the comments.

I want to see the comments on this video. Maybe they asked like to add some usually. Usually, no, no, that's you clicked on post a comment. Yeah, just click right there. Nope, nope, click in the black area to the left. Right there, right there. Yeah, there you go. Scroll down.

Scroll down. There you go. Keep going. See if there's any like grok. John Hutchinson. Okay. He's kidding. Can you go in the search bar to the top right?

type in Iran UFO legit Okay Congress Tim Burchett says the Iran UFO is legit He said that Oh look

Okay click on this little This little video clip Benny Johnson yeah okay Let's listen to this video clip Is this the source Benny Johnson? They're not in some Somewhere from Well they're always

VIII I always have a hard time Wondering why something would travel light years and have to have lights on it in the first place, if in fact they're traveling light years, if they're not in some, somewhere from this world, which I- Look at the amount of tabs.

I don't know. We're seeing more and more of this stuff because of social media, but I can't imagine some hoaxter in Iran with everything going on is doing something like this. So I just don't know. That's the question. He didn't say it was legit. Is it Trump messing with them?

It could be. It could be. It could be a sciop for them, wondering what in the world's going on. That's sort of like what Reagan did to the Russians when he said, you know, Star Wars, because we didn't have it.

But they just, they flipped out and they threw down all their dollars and ordered, whatever they use, Drakmas or whatever they used. And we bankrupted them right then. And that's what ended up causing the Cold War to end. And, We found the original post here.

We found the guy. He shows up. He's legit. There's not a community note on this. No. Right. It's not like some. I agree.

What is this guy saying? It's something up there. It's just what is it? And I just wish we could get more. Rewind a little bit. Steve, so we can pause on that to guys tweet. I just. There's a guy.

He shows up. He's pause. September 20th, 7.30 p.m. Go back. I filmed. Right there. There go. Unknown celestial objects.

I really don't know what it is, but it would. near the clouds had special lights and was hovering in the space without any sound. Wow. Yeah, but there's apparently multiple videos that are coming out of Tehran showing this. And I don't know, it might lend credibility to our conversation earlier that there is stuff within the American arsenal that is sitting there being like waiting to be used for whatever this. is is it a sci-op i don't know go back steve let's see what else we can find other than this um tim guy talking to benny johnson but interestingly enough actually back in um 1976 no in september

actually of 1976 that's got to be fake right there it's got to be yeah that looks like a i yeah um that's the same video keep scrolling yeah so september of nineteen 76 there was actually a Tehran UFO incident that involved two F4 fighter jets being scrambled to intercept a UFO that emitted another UFO. That's my boy. That's my boy. On redacted, yeah. Yeah. So.

Sorry, Tehran, 1976. In Tehran, during the nighttime of 1976. I believe it was September also. So it's weird that this is happening again. This was back when Iran was actually friendly with the United States. It was before the Ayatollah and the sort of Islamic regime took over. There was a UFO that lit up the sky over the city. Thousands of people saw this.

The Air Force scrambled two F4 fighter jets. This is super well documented. And Brigadier General Yusuf, who at the time was flying one of them, flew within about a two-mile radius of this thing. All of his instrumentation shut down. He couldn't even pull the ejection seat. He couldn't fire his weapons on this thing. That's what he was meant to do because it was in restricted airspace and they were like, what the hell is this? and, you know, air traffic controllers came forward.

There was an old television show called sightings, which I included really small clips in my documentary, Secret Space UFO's Fast Walkers. And, you know, James Fox even covered this case. This is like a real UFO case where thousands of people witnessed this. When this UFO emitted a tinier UFO, it landed on a mountain. Tehran is surrounded by mountains.

And the whole city blacked out, like the electricity shut down. Wow. Yeah. And the American Air Force flew over there that week to be debriefed on what happened from the Iranian Air Force, because they were like, this wasn't us.

Who was this? There's a guy named Ron Ruggair who worked for the company that was managing the defense satellite program in the 70s and the 80s and 90s for the DOD. The DSP satellite system

was created to look back at Earth and monitor for missile launches and stuff from like China, Russia, whatever. This is the middle of the Cold War. And the DSP system picked up an object coming from deep space that night and going to Tehran. Whoa.

Yeah, I featured it. I think there's a clip for that. You can pull it up. So real quick. Yeah, let's definitely go to that. But what is this saying right here? This is saying that the same bow-shaped light object has been seen all over the world. and Iranis, I ran in Argentina from 2010 to 2017.

There's five different videos of that same light pattern. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, obviously there's been tons of triangular sort of formation objects that have been seen, even the Phoenix lights, right? Which was a massive... Like a boomerang? Yeah, like trying, but that thing was supposedly like a mile long. Yeah.

It went over Arizona and Nevada and blocked out the stars or some people said that they could see the stars through it. But, you know, I talked to Michael Schrad about that case and he said he talked to pilots that were that flew out to intercept it that night and it was massive and it spooked the crap out of them. So in that case was really well documented again by James Fox Thousands of witnesses, right? 1996, I think that happened.

Sounds right. Hovering silently the size of a football field. Like, how do you even do that? We had a guy on here, a psychic spy, David Morehouse, who was showing us real photos of giant balloons, that exact shape of those. Phoenix lights. Jeremy Reese has talked about this with me too. Yeah. It could be a high altitude

balloon, right? But the thing is with those, those are operating like at almost at apogee, which is like between space and our atmosphere, right? They're not hovering right over the mountains of Phoenix, Arizona. Okay. Well, maybe we were just launching them into the atmosphere then, You know, like maybe that was when they, maybe they left some secret base or something and then we launched them and that was like their trajectory to outer space. I think like it's possible that people can misidentify. Yeah, look at that. Yeah, but that that that look at the shape of that. That's like a narrow triangle. That one. Yeah, they might, I mean, but it's so close, right? Like, look at that. That's the, that's, I mean, maybe who knows? It's definitely similar. That's not a football field size. No. But it is, I get what he's trying to say with that theory.

There's definitely a possibility that some of this stuff people have seen is is that. And they misidentify it for sure, right? Right. But that night, I don't think the Phoenix Lights was that, in my opinion, right? I think it would have been. And why would you? That doesn't even have lights on it. Like that one does not.

The Phoenix Lights, if you go to the original footage of that, Chris, it's Matt, like it's. Steve. Steve, sorry, buddy. It's like literally covering the whole horizon line of... Yeah, that's a lot bigger. Yeah, that's pretty big. I mean, at least from this video, it looks bigger. It's really hard to tell because it's so dark.

Yeah, once you see all the lights going across, it's pretty big. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot bigger than those balloons. Did you find the thing in his documentary where he's talking about the Tehran? Oh, yeah. You can even... Yeah. No. I'm trying to find which link you're referring to.

It should be the first link, actually. Secret Space UFO's Fast Walkers. Oh, the Fast Walkers, okay. Yeah. So I heard that fast walkers could also be underwater. No, that's fast movers. Fast movers. So the Navy supposedly has their own secret program that catalogs

USO activity as a Navy. a fast mover because so Navy submariners one of the major staff that's on the bridge of a submarine is called a well you've got like the XL who's managing things and you've got a sonar guy who's basically listening to everything and monitoring the traffic around. So they know biologics down there. They know the enemy arsenal. They know what another submarine would sound like with their pings and so on, so forth. You know, they're looking for ocean mountains so they don't collide, all that type of stuff. Didn't they actually run into a mountain once? They did. Yeah, I think it was the USS San Francisco. But essentially,

there have been cases. Mark De Antonio, a friend of mine, gave me his testimony. I think it was in the 90s. He wouldn't tell me exactly, but I'm trying to figure out, decode these things. He was invited to take a ride on a submarine at the time. And he saw a sonar operator freak out.

at something that was moving above 300 knots, which we don't have anything known, you know, public in the oceans that moves underwater faster than, let's say, 40 to 50 knots. That's a submarine size, right? Because you just have a large object, an ocean, like ocean water in front of it, and that is creating greater friction than the atmosphere. right? Right. So you have ocean drag and you got personnel like if you hit something also

it's going to be way worse for the personnel on board if you're going over 40 or 50 knots. That's like the top limit of what we know. What's the top speed of nuclear submarines today? Do you know? 40 to 50 knots. Really? Yeah. Unless they create some kind of device that I mean like torpedoes could go much faster than that because they created. Super cavitation. How much, how fast is a torpedo go? Think about 170 miles per hour, something like that.

Okay. Which in knots is, I'm not quite sure how many knots that is. But, you know, the Russians have super cavitation on their torpedoes. We do. Many, I'm sure the Brits do. 45 to 60 knots. And they said this thing was going 300. knots past a submarine. Well, this also says with specialized rocket powered cavitation,

they can go up to 200 knots. Oh, could have been a missile that missed them. Well, I don't think it was because they were just in friendly waters, you know, doing a normal, you know, uh, that's the only other plausible explanation. I mean, that's the only rational thing. Randomly a torpedo from an unknown submarine. I mean, it's not. I think what the point of that story is that there are things. that are operating in our oceans, just like UFOs in the sky, can, that are moving at speeds well beyond any technology that we have.

I'm so frustrated that we haven't had, you know, we have all these whistleblowers, but we don't have any of the submarine guys talking. I think that I'm imagining there's been so much shit that they've seen down there. Yeah, and they're, like my friend Rob Jones, who's the producer for Rob, Ross Coldheart's News Nation.

He's a Navy submariner, and they swear an oath. They can't talk about the stuff that they did or saw when they were on a submarine. Those are super classified missions, right? And I think... Yeah, GERB was telling me that the Office of Naval Intelligence is like the closest thing to the UFO. Like they are the ones that are close, like the most closely tied and connected to this whole thing. Yeah. People have speculated that the Navy has been the tip of the iceberg in terms of NASA space secrets as well.

Because, you know, formerly during the Gemini, the Apollo and a lot of the STS missions, the pilots that were picked for that, like the astronauts, all came from the Navy. Oh, he's playing the... Oh, you're playing videos. He's playing the... I hear it in the headphones.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so it was covered by CNN and all that stuff. He's playing some of that. But yeah, essentially, there's Yusuf... All right, leave this cute up. We'll finish what we're saying, but we'll keep a pin in this.

We can come back to this. Or Jafari. Parviz Jafari, my bad. So the... What was I saying? You were talking about the Office of Naval Intelligence and how close they're tied to the UFO program. Oh, yeah.

So, like, many of the astronauts that were picked were Navy guys, right? Aside for three astronauts, like Frank Borman was an Air Force guy. The Air Force were not the guys that got to go fly in space. The Navy guys were. Yeah. And I think that, like, also, kind of blends, it allows conspiracy about the Navy having this solar warden submarine program

in space theory to have legs because there's a reality that the Navy is definitely part of this UFO, USO, space UFO cover-up. But yeah, there's just no proof. that we have solar warden or dark fleet or any of these things that came out of like super woo land. There's also people that think that we have like under sea bases that like these submarines can like pull into without surfacing. Yeah, sure.

I mean, I spoke to Richard Souder. Yes, that's the guy. He wrote three different books. I think one of his books is actually called Hidden I. in plain sight. It goes by the same title as Ross Colthard's book. And he talks about, you know, under mountain, underground, deep underground military bases

that would have been built all around the world by the Americans and even the Brits. The Brits had the UK contracted illustration artists and stuff to create deep underwater military bases in the 1960s where they would park their submarines and stuff like that. It seems like a very logical thing to do. Yeah. So, and that was the 60s. I doubt that they haven't utilized that, you know, strategy to some point.

And again, with the USO question and the fast movers, you're hidden from satellites, like all the advantages. Yeah, unless the satellites using some kind of, X-ray. Yeah. Like using it. How do you see through the ocean? And that's the thing too.

Like I don't think Chris Mellon likes me that much because I ran into him at a, what's it called the this conference that happens every year that's like scientific coalition SCU. I went to the Toronto

SCU conference and I introduced myself and he immediately knew who I was. Oh, wow. I think it's because when Jason Sands first came out, I think Chris Mellon was the guy that was pushing James and all these people to put Jason Sands in the program. Yeah. So when I introduced myself, he was just like giving me the dead fish hand shake and stuff. But, you know, Chris Mellon has gone public and said there's a mountain of UFO satellite 4K imagery, both video and picture evidence of these craft operating around our planet.

I believe that. I believe that too. I think that the NRO, the National Geospatial Agency, NASA, the Department of War, formerly DOD, all of these like different space-based. United States Space Command, now Space Force, they would have tons of that stuff. They know what's going and going to and from our atmosphere. I would love to see some of that stuff, you know?

Why is, if the tranches are releasing information that show all kinds of UFO activity, most of it's been like Fleer camera, right? I don't know if you looked at any of the previous tranches, but like tranche two, tranche three. They showed really cool, like, what you would consider orb or disk-shaped-looking craft, flying.

Like there's a, the instantaneous acceleration video from 2022 over Syria, or was it 2021? That one's really interesting. You see this disc in Fleer for, about 20 seconds, somebody's isolated it, and then it just shoots off, right? Right. That's anomalous to me.

There's another really cool like gun camera footage of an object that looks round that's going underneath, over top of the clouds, underneath this aircraft, and then underneath it and shoots off. I posted that on my Instagram and stuff, but they're showing Fleer stuff, but why don't they release stuff that Chris Melon's talking about that's from space, you know, that's 4K quality.

Has someone ever asked them that? Well, who no one knows who's in charge of these tranche releases, right? Like who are the people that are- Same people who are in charge of dropping the Epstein files. Yeah, exactly. I mean, how do we trust their ability to scrutinize footage properly? As I said, there is stuff in the tranches that, literally looks like total BS.

And then there's other stuff that looks real. I think Kurt Metzker was right that the whole point of the Artemis missions was for them to take the real Epstein files to the moon and put them on the dark side. That's, I like that. I like that. All right, let's listen to this. This is from your documentary talking about this Iran UFO. Encounter, yeah. It took place in Washington.

And the cast of characters was almost. strangely, well, conventional. One of the believers, this retired Iranian Air Force pilots said he saw a UFO while flying. It looked similar to his far, but bigger and brighter. General Parviz Jafari says he tried to fire a missile, but much of his plane became an operative. All the instrument was fluctuating, the radio had garble, even I couldn't have communication with my piloting in my back seat with operating the radar. So none of your equipment worked. your missiles didn't work.

Do you think it's because this was an alien from another world? You're sure of that? Yeah, I'm sure. At about 11 p.m. on the evening of 18 September, 1976, citizens were frightened by circling up an unknown object over Tehran, the capital city of Iran, at a low altitude. It looked similar to a star, but bigger and brighter. In 1976, a massive UFO sighting took place in Iran.

This UFO sighting was also picked up by the DSP satellite system as a fast walker. All of a sudden, I see this flying objects just going around and round and round and going up and up and up. And I told my mom, I said, Mom, I just saw a flying saucer. I saw a UFO. I was going to prepare myself to shoot it down. This UFO event was witnessed by hundreds of of people in the night sky, civilians, pilots, generals, and the unerring eye of the Iranian Air Force

radar operators. When I saw this object, he's flying that fast, then I thought this is not a helicopter, and this is not an aircraft. By that time, I said, I'll shoot me some kind of UFO. I picked up the phone, and it was a base commander. He wanted me to know they are going to have the airplanes to take off from his base for the scrambled mission. He alerted the Air Force and Deputy General Yusefi decided to scramble an F-4J to investigate it.

I saw a big star among the other stars, which it was at least twice as large as the normal stars. The pilot in the first jet lost instrumentation and communication when he got too close to the brilliant object, so he headed back. We lost communication and I heard nothing from the pilots. So I was so scared what's going to happen and what happened to the pilot. Suddenly, Major Jaffer nervously reported that a smaller UFO had emerged from the larger object and was trying to engage him. And it was coming toward them. They tried to shoot him down. When they squeezed the trigger, it didn't work.

And the trigger was inoperative. Wow. They couldn't shoot the massage. Fearing for their lives, the pilot tried to eject, but the ejection did not work either. Every system was inoperable. We understood that the ejecting instrument also didn't work. So in this case, I said to God, oh God saved him. The pilot had no choice but to go into negative G-force to escape the seemingly hostile UFO encounter.

When the fighter jet evaded the smaller UFO by a fighter jet. a smaller UFO by 10 miles, all onboard instruments and communications were restored to their working order. The pilot then reported that the UFO seemed to be landing on a mountain top just southeast of Tehran. This landing was confirmed by the radar tower and brigadier General Yusuf witnessed it from his balcony with his own eyes. One of the separated objects landed in an open area radiating a high bright light in which the sands underground were visible. He went down and landed underground. And now it is a communication between the mother ship

and that small flying object. Following the smaller UFO landing, the Air Force and many civilians reported power outages which shocked military personnel in awe of these events taking place. That was strange for us. And we ask each other why the power went out for some seconds. A top secret meeting between Imperial Iranian Air Force and the United States Air Force

took place soon after this event. Hussein Peruzi, an Air Force controller at Meribout Air Force Base, was present at this meeting. They heard our report and the report of the pilot, they concluded that no country is able to have such technology. and all of them believed it should be a strange object from other spheres. That's freaking nuts. Okay, this is the DSP satellite system. So what's the story of the satellite system? Well, it's muted, but yeah, so...

Oh, look, Bob McGuire. Yeah, I interviewed him before he blew up. Yeah, I made that dog pack in 20s. 22 years. I started shooting it in 2020. And I released it in 2023. But yeah, basically I'm going through chronologically since the early 1970s, right through to the 2000s, all these space-based UFO encounters. Like I said, the STS missions and stuff. But that was a case that coincided with.

readings, unknown sort of fast walker space-based readings that came from the defense satellite program. And that was leaked by a guy named Ronald Ruggare that worked for the company that was like monitoring all the DSP activity. Private company. Yeah, I think it was called Aerojet. I can't remember there's so much shit moving around in my brain, but uh, but there are a California, California-based company that he worked for. And, yeah, like, when they, when that encounter happened over Iran in 1976, September, which is the same month that this thing is happening. But in 2026, the DSP program reported an object coming from deep space and entering the Earth's atmosphere over Tehran.

And why would they let that come public, though? It was leaked by Ron Ruggare. Oh, yeah. It was not, because it came from a third party company, which I'm just going to call Arrowjet right now because I can't remember. Right. By somebody who worked for- Arrowjet Rocketdyne?

Yeah. Okay. I think so. Yeah. Because it was leaked, like, and it wasn't from the government themselves. Yeah. You know, like Lou Al-Zondo or David Rush, then they didn't really have much scrutiny over it.

It was just like a private company's data that went public regarding a UFO incident. Yeah. So, yeah, crazy stuff, dude. That is freaking crazy, man. Yeah. But, like, also, they could just do that shit with lasers as well, right? You mean Project Bluebeam? Yeah.

I think. So like the, I don't know, I mean, we've, we've done that stuff according to TD Barnes. Like he was doing that stuff at Area 51. Yeah. And, you know, there's been like declassified stuff that, for example, that plan that they had to project a 3D version of Jesus Christ over Havana to tell the people of Cuba to revolt against the government. Didn't happen. Didn't happen. But like, they had, they must have had the technology if that was a plan for them to do.

I'm sure they do have some sort of technology like that. So what people don't realize, and they can look this up, that whole like Project Blue Beam thing that was a major speaking point for Stephen Greer for many, many years, like over a decade, the fake alien invasion that was coming via laser, you know, cloud projection show. Yes. That started from a Quebec quad.

French Canadian guy named Serge Monast. You can look this up. He was the guy that said that they were going to fake a second coming of Jesus with Project Bluebeam. And that would be after the fake alien invasion battle that happened. Serge Monast was like insane. Really? So that's not real? The fake alien or the fake laser Jesus?

Yeah, it's not real. Type that in. I thought we fact-checked that before. Serge Monast created that conspiracy theory. It's completely unproven. I mean, this is just what the Google says. You're asking it about Bluebeam. Yeah, that's Project Bluebeam.

Project Bluebeam conspiracy theory did not originate in Canadian, did originate from Canadian investigative journalist and conspiracy theorist, surge Monast. Okay, now ask it, where did the, Okay. The Jesus projection over Havana story come from. I think somebody co-opted Serge Monash's story and that was Stephen Greer, one of them. The Jesus' perfection over Havana story originated from a declassified U.S. Cold War documents detailing a bizarre psychological warfare proposed to fake a second coming of Christ to overthrow Fidel Castro. So, declassified U.S. Cold War documents. Really? Origins of the Propos, Operation Mungoose, Air Force Brigadier General Edward Landsdale, and other U.S. planners developed extreme and eccentric schemes under the Anti-Castro Cuba Project the early 1960s.

The Second Coming Plan documents revealed a proposal to spread rumors that Fidel Castro was the Antichrist, followed by staging a fake second coming of Christ, using a submerged U.S. submarine projecting star shells, images, and amplified sound off the coast of Cuba to spark popular uprising. That's amazing. The church committee declassified this. That's fucking, it's real. So, so that's a document. And that plan possibly existed. But this is a perfect example of the woo crowd in the UFO community,

taking a document that existed and then echoing that story and saying, Project Blue Beam is the plan to recreate an alien invasion with this tech that they had in the 1960s. There's no proof that they actually had the tech. This just says they wanted to project images. They wanted to, right? But did they have the technology to do that, right? Like that's the whole other part of this scenario. And why haven't we seen it play out, right?

Sure. since since the 1960s. So, yeah, I mean, read up about Serge Monast and what his version of that. And then compare that to what Greer and his whole group has been saying forever, you know. The fake alien invasion thing is like, it's wild. There's a, have you heard Annie Jacobson's story about Roswell with the guy who, told her the story for the end of her Area 51 book. Yeah.

And she also says that it was a Russian sciop, right? And that there was like little midget people put inside of a craft. Yeah. The story was that it was a craft sent over by Stalin. And inside the craft, there were disabled children that were surgically altered by Mangala, the Nazi. And it crashed. And then this EG and G engineer, who was one of Annie's sources for the book, told her that that's what it was.

And he told her that story. And she's like, why would the U.S. keep this a secret? Why wouldn't they just tell the truth? This would make Russians look terrible. And he said the reason that we didn't say anything is because we were tasked with trying to do the same thing with disabled children in the United States. And Okay. So this is a guy

who was like one of the people he was called the Trigger Man. So he was one of like the most important people in the Nevada Desert. He pulled the trigger on like all of these

nuclear detonation tests. Okay. And super high level EG and GNG guy. He was like a hero amongst his peers in Las Vegas in this community. Right.

And so when he told Annie the story, the family called her back after she published the book to go visit their home in Nevada. So she flew, this is all according to her. She flew back to Nevada to meet with the family and there was the wife and the daughters

of this man. Alfred O'Donnell, his name was. And she sat down in front of Alfred O'Donnell on his family and then the wife said to Alfred, tell us what you told Annie was a lie. And then he said, it's true. And according to him, the reason he told

Annie was because one of his grandchildren was born with a genetic defect. Oh no. And only lived till like four or five and then died. And he thought that was God's way of punishing him for what he did in those child experiments when he was working for EG and G. That's insane. That's like, well, I mean, insane if it's true. Right. It's like scary.

So why, my question is, why would this guy commit that? To his own reputation. It's reputational. Is his name published in the book? Not in the book, but it is now that he's dead. Okay. So. But he didn't really.

He was an anonymous source in the book. Yeah. But then he died and, you know, so it's not like reputational. Because he never had to be screwed up. Because he wasn't in public when he said it. Right. Yeah. That's a good point.

That's true. And then also George Knapp interviewed him. Okay. And he told George Knapp it was aliens. So fuck that. And then he told George Knapp, why did you tell Annie Jacobson something else? And then according to TD Barnes that he said, she just kept pestering me for a juicy story. And I finally gave her one.

So you already got the answer, man. I don't know which one's the right answer. I'm just saying this is this is all hearsay from all parties. Well, okay. I'll just say that, you know, I haven't, I respect. I can understand why TD Barnes would say that. I respect Annie Jacobson. I really love like her research into Project Paperclip and Project Allos, which was like,

us going over there and seeing the secretive rocket program underground bunkers that they were using. And Area 51? No, in Germany. In Poland, I think. The Germans were having Jews, like, create, you know, as slaves in doing this, like, crazy research. And Americans through Project Outlaws went over. previous to the World War ending and had like kind of infiltrated and figured out

all this stuff that, you know, Werner von Braun and his people would have been conducting in the years leading up to the World War ending. But that's one source. He's obviously contradictory. How can you trust him if he tells George Knapp the alien story and then tells her this congenital defect.

And also, why would you need an EG and GNG engineer who's known for detonating nukes to perform surgery on disabled children? Yeah, it's kind of like... Seems like you wouldn't use EG and G to do plastic surgery on kids. Yeah, it just seems... Although we do have evidence that the U.S. did do crazy evil experiments on disabled children with plutonium. Like, that was declassified.

And who knows what other kind of fucking... up experience with kids. Yeah, I'm not discounting that. But you're right. Fringe science is evil and sometimes has done horrible things, right? But I would say, you know, if you look at researchers, what's his name who's done, like, such a deep dive on the Roswell crash. Ryan Wood.

Have you ever spoken to Ryan Wood? Can you check out Steve if I'm getting this right, Ryan Wood, I think he... Ryan Wood, Roswell. Yeah, he, you know, has basically... And Staten Friedman is one of these guys too. They uncovered like hundreds of witnesses

that were part of the crash retrieval cleanup, that we're cleaning up the debris in the desert. Yeah. A nurse at the base that saw the bodies. You know, you've got the day after Roswell from Colonel J. Corso. Ryan Wood. Yeah, so Ryan Wood has done amazing research,

and it just shows all of the data that kind of like builds up a case that something really crashed there that was not a weather balloon, that wasn't Operation High Jump. that involved multiple bodies that seem to be non-human in, you know, look, but were hominin. So it comes back to Michael P. Masters, you know what I mean? Like, why would these crashed aliens look like humanoids? Right. You know, people said, you know, some of the witness said that they looked kind of human,

but we're shorter and we're, you know, bald and had big heads and bigger eyes, right? So that's, that also lends to the idea that we were talking about before that maybe we're looking at something that is a breakaway civilization, right? That is not exactly what you and I are, but they're advanced. and they're operating an advanced craft that we don't have in our arsenal. Right. It also makes one wonder if we have,

if these space, these like, also, look at all, sorry to interrupt you, look at all like the fish that live really deep in the ocean. They all have giant eyeballs. Yeah, but that's, okay. So the point of giant eyeballs in a really low, light environment is to absorb as much light as possible. Right. Right. Some of those fish don't even have like skin as we would know it. You know, like don't have like scales. They don't have scales.

They're just like a gelatinous blob with an eye. Right. So it can see through its own membrane to see other predators and stop swimming around it. Right. So if we were, if, if human beings a million years ago were forced to move under the ocean, would they evolve to have those big eyes like that? I think that's sort of questioning is a different direction. Like it shouldn't have, I think the ocean would be if they did have some kind of command and control, some kind of base down there or whatever, it would be to be out of sight and out of sound of the regular terrestrial. that are here on the planet on the surface. But, you know, this is all hypothetical.

I don't know it to be true, but I would state that if they're using advanced technology, how do we know they're not using advanced AI, advanced genetic manipulation, and all these things that we would consider fringe science because they're not being used today on a global scale? But they're allowed to conduct rogue science and change their bodies and, you know, modify themselves and do whatever they want because they're not us. Right.

It's interesting, man. I don't fucking know. Anything is possible. Anything is possible. You know, the other connection, though, the other interesting thing about Roswell is that that was near nuclear stuff. right so nuclear base well it's near uh where the manhattan project right was being conducted yeah there's the correlation with all the ufos right yeah and the correlation with all the ufos and new like the nuclear connection is just undeniable yeah so why would you know and even

submarines most of them that are like nuclear submarines they got warheads on board yeah they got warheads and nuclear power engines right right it's like so No brainer. Maybe that's why they're seeing a lot of U.S.O activity. I don't know. But I'm going to go to the washroom and then want to talk about NASCAR mummies? Yeah, let's do it. We'll be right back. NASCAR mummies. Are they real? What are NASCAR mummies? Yeah. I saw Jesse Michael's documentary. It was very interesting. I've seen a lot of videos on the NASCA mummy stuff. And a lot of people think it's real. Okay. And then also, Okay, I'll just let you go on this.

I'll have a question. I'm going to ask you some questions. Yeah, you watched the doc, right? I did. And you thought it was pretty funny. It was a hilarious, very unique documentary. It was basically like a trolling documentary. Yeah.

I mean, but backed up with all the evidence of what's happened chronologically. Yeah, you told the story nicely. Yeah. So, Jesse, I admire for his showmanship and his ability to fly down to Peru and and investigate these things himself. But I reached out to him directly and said, like, hey, dude, like, these things are a hoax. And, you know, I've spoken to multiple people that had done the same thing as you. And they've seen the evidence that these things are being built.

They're being constructed in Peru for the international, you know, UFO and, uh, let's say like ancient history anomalous public right because it's a huge it's a huge thing now and i introduced him to steve mara in his documentary i think the only speculative or like sort of uh negative thing that he covered about the nasca mummies at that time was the j type mummies, which are like the obvious super small, like bone doll type things. Those on the right, yeah. Which look like they're made with Plato and bones. But essentially he said that, you know, Steve Mara did his investigation too.

And he didn't cover all of what Steve Mara did. So Steve Mara drove down. flew down there, and he conducted a full investigation. He heard about the walk heroes, which are the grave robbers. And if somebody wants to watch a really in-depth coverage of the sort of grave robbers side of the story, I encourage people to go to William Brown's incredible history. He has a YouTube channel, and he and another guy who also does, like, history and, um, megalithic stuff and all kinds of like uh sort of anthropological history stuff um documentaries on

youtube and stuff um they did a deep dive on this and they covered it well forensically and they used people that are doctors in the field of uh x-ray technology and all that stuff to look at the die column images and, you know, deduce from looking at that with a professional background in radiography or understanding of anatomy what was going on with these bodies, right? Not the J-type. The J-top type were obviously like complete constructions that still today, Jaime Mousson and that whole Naskamom-y-cardi. claim are aliens. But Maria, the bigger body, right, which is like a human body that's kind of in a...

Is this the pregnant one? No, that's another one of the sort of like more J-type size that has eggs in the abdomen. Yeah. So the one that Jesse, I remember Jesse talking about in his documentary was the one that was pregnant. Oh, yes. And it also had three of a three-fingered fetus or something like that, right? Exactly. Which, you know, you can also... That one. Yeah.

That's not Maria, but Maria's the same size. So if you look at the hands, for example, see how the hand is turned inwards towards the body. Yes. All of these three-fingered larger specimen, like if you can also look up Maria, if you want, for example. Ask a mummy's Maria.

Yeah. They always turn the hand inwards, right? Mm-hmm. Because if you look at your hand, your palm, has almost an equal size to your fingers. Right. Right. What they do with these hands,

they cut down through the palm because your fingers kind of extend, see how you can articulate your palm like that. Yeah. That goes right down to your wrist joint. And what these guys do is they cut off the thumb, they cut off the pinky finger, and they cut down through the palm right to the wrist

to make the fingers look super alien and long, the three middle fingers that are left. So that thing has a wrist and three fingers, which anatomically does not make any sense. Right. You have to have a palm. They cut off the palm. They cut through the palm.

Yes. Right. So it's fake. And the reason why they turn it inwards is so you don't realize you're not seeing a palm. If you look at like, I think the other ones, the smaller cadavers are called like Joseph for Josephina and something else. They're also a larger humanoid. But their hands, there's the egg one that's obviously fake, fake, fake, fake. Different bones.

Is it wearing a bra? Yeah, it's got like a metal plate that's braced keeping the thing together, basically. But even those little ones, they keep the hands. Why are the hands never facing outwards? is because they don't, they don't want, they want to create the illusion that there's still a palm there. There's no palm. But yeah.

So how do they do the one with the pregnant one with the fetus inside? Well, that one right there, the little one, the whole thing is a construction. It's arms, its head. They just shoved eggs into the abdomen and covered it up with skin, right? Right. Yeah. The one you're talking about with the fetus that also has three fingers.

Right. People hypothesized that they found a fetus within the body, that they're also doctoring up. They cut the little fetus's fingers off, right? And left the three in the middle. But there's the out of common mummy. But yeah, essentially, the way I got involved with this, I was making some documentaries in interviewing Jaime Mousa on back in 2018.

And I've covered some good things he's done for the UFO community in terms of like covering UFO phenomenon from Latin America. And creating an audience for this subject, taking it seriously. But when I was down there with my my then-girlfriend, now wife, she's Mexican. So she was speaking Spanish to one of the guys that was in his office at the time waiting for him because I was working with him. And this guy was like in a waiting area. His office is at the, his like studio is at the bottom of a shopping mall in Santa Fe, Mexico City. And it's like a big open room with like sort of this round, circular sitting area, couch area in the middle. and then all like the iMacs and like journalist and and like editor desks and stuff

sitting around that and uh hymey had this guy waiting who was a geneticist working within mexico city that was working with another laboratory that i think was called genesis labs in Canada somewhere and they were investigating the NASCA mummies back then. This is 2018

when I interviewed him. And my wife was talking to this guy and I walked up to her after he walked away and I was done with Hyman and this guy is now going to talk with Hymeh and I was like

what was that all about? And she was like, oh, This guy just told me that those NASCAR mummies, they've done genetic tests, and they're just coming back as humans, right? They're just people. There's no anomalousness to them. But they used a lab because they don't have, like a really sophisticated lab in Mexico at that time

that could give them the information they wanted. Right. That was in Canada, and they'd had the report and was reporting this to Jaime. So I think it was 2019, not soon and after that. Gaia releases unearthing the NASCA mummies. And the NASCAR mummies enter the UFO, you know, conspiracy community and take off. It becomes like, interestingly enough, I interviewed Jay Weidner for the Dark Alliance documentaries. He was the head of production at Gaia TV. So he was,

responsible. The older gentleman? Yeah, gray-haired guy. Yeah. Who got into a lawsuit with Corey Good and all that stuff. And he said, I was single-handedly responsible for building the 20-and-back story and the NASCA mummy's story for Gaya TV, which are their two most popular programs, right? Anyways, I see all this stuff coming out.

I'm like, this is weird. They're, they're interviewing people and building this whole story as if the Naskamomomies are not just humans, right, that have been unearthed. They're saying that they're aliens. They found some like unknown, you know, life form that's non-human. That's ancient. I interviewed Jaime about that. Yeah. And that footage you saw in the documentary, he's telling everything about all these stories.

where he's found other non-human cadavers, right? So I worked with this guy, Nick Larner. He has an Instagram channel dripped in. I think it's called, like, let me look it up because I want to give him a proper shout out, but he's fucking hilarious. Like, he's an editor. He works in the film industry.

And he creates, like, comedy documentaries about Hollywood. It's called his channel. It's called James Dot Dripton. Okay. And he created this fictional character, James Drifton, who does reviews of like Hollywood scandals and, uh, celebrity scandals and stuff that had happened through history.

Right. And I approached him and said, look, I've got like this alien NASCA mummy story. And I think we could. put this together and make it a really cool comedy that covers the track record of these other non-human found bodies that turn out to be obviously bullshit. But the latest going thing is the NASCAR mummies. Would you want to do it? And he was like, hell yeah. So we worked on it for a year. I sent him all this footage that I had from previous interviews with Jaime that I've never really released before. And that's how the dripped in files, mummy mania came to be.

That's hilarious, man. The documentary was incredible. It's just like the way that you show those guys, like trying to defend their positions is so revealing. You know, it's just, it's just like, like I said earlier, it's just what happens to people. That is what happens to people in every subject matter in this world, right? Whether it's, it's, it's, what happens to people. be like sports commentating or aliens and UFOs. These people find their lane and they just lean in so goddamn hard to where it literally eats up their entire identity. Yeah. Well, you know, I was trying to warn, you're talking about sports identity and a journalist or person that leans really hard into UFO stuff.

No, I was going to say psychoactive. Oh, I don't know who that is. He's a guy that's like part of the night shift. a group of UFO commentators with Clint. You know, I reached out to him with like very serious concern because he was pushing the NASCAR mummies as being real anomalous, you know, non-human beings that were found in Peru and all this stuff. And it was, you know, a big thing on X.

I was, maybe I was a little bit, brash, but everything I do is with good intention. At the end of the day, I don't want people to be like taken advantage of and going down a rabbit hole that ends up nowhere making them delusional, you know? Totally. So when I was getting into it with this guy, you know, it was being reflected on me as if I had bad character. And, you know, I was the bad guy for being critical of this scam and this hoax. And, you know, there was a whole kind of like bought army or swarm that was coming at me, attacking me at the same time. And they did the same thing to Julian. they did the same thing to all these scientists that worked with Will,

with the incredible history documentary. You know, these are people that are professionals in their field of radiography that understand what they're looking at in the diacom images, and they're saying, hey, that hand has a thumb joint. If this being only had three fingers, why is there a... thumb joint still there where they've obviously cut off the thumb. And these are for the larger bodies, right? Because those diKOM images were released by this whole like NASCA mummy cartel.

And professionals in their field are reviewing that and being like, hey guys, big problem here. It's obviously a fabrication because it's got the problem. The problem is you don't, that doesn't make a big splash in the media when those people do that. That's right. The professionals are ignored and the people that are being like elevated are the ones that are like boasting the lie. Yeah. So I made the documentary to try and set the record straight a little bit, but also with a lot of comedy. It's a parody and, you know, everything's accurate that we're saying. So it gives the other side of that. And I warned Jesse too. I said like, dude, I'm going to release this documentary. It's going to be opposed to what you created on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah, I think Jesse now, last time I talked to him about the whole mummy thing, he's way more on the side of it was fake than it was real.

Really? I think so. Yeah. He should publish that. Yeah. Because everybody, like his documentary got, I think, 8 million and counting, maybe 9 million views. Yeah, dude, on YouTube. So think of, I guess, the amount of... He's making so many documentaries and podcasts, like chasing so many stories constantly. But it was biased. That was my problem, that it was like really verifying that these are like anomalous, unknown human

or like unknown beings that are being dug out of the ground, like aliens for lack of a better word. but they're not. They're human beings, sometimes bone dolls created from multiple different bones from different specimen, dogs, llama skulls, like all kinds of stuff. It's the same guys that are doing that that are also altering human bodies. And that's a crime. You know, like that's desecrating somebody's family's remains. You know what I mean? Like, We don't have people going into a grave here in North America, robbing it, cutting the pinkies and thumbs off, and we're allowing them to call those aliens. So why can they do that in Peru?

In Peru, this cartel is getting away with it. What are they getting out of it, by the way? Money. Really? Yeah. Who? Steve Mara, he uncovered, even with his documentary, that the smaller bodies go for anywhere between like 18 to 25.

on the black market. Wow. And the large bodies, Maria at one point, was listed for a million dollars. Did it sell? To sell. Was it sold? I don't know. But it's the fact that there's a market for it, that they keep pushing this. Right. Right. Follow the money. Yeah. And, you know, Jesse asks, Hymae in his documentary, have you invested any money into this? And Hyman is like, I cannot say anything. You know, I won't say anything. The Jaime guy's obviously a kook.

It's pretty, makes it it's pretty clear, you know. Unfortunately, like, it's, to me, it's like Greer. It's like they both start from a place where there's integrity and honesty. Genuine curiosity. Genuine curiosity. And they're approaching this.

subject and giving speculation and air time when otherwise mainstream news wouldn't cover this. I appreciate that, right? But then in this late era of their, or this point in their time in their careers, they're walking around with the bugosphere and pieces of human cadavers and saying, these are aliens. Yeah. When they know for a fact that it's not true. Well, I don't even, the thing about Jaime is that I think he convinces himself of his own theories, right? He doesn't want to see the other side.

You even hear in the documentary where he says like Discovery Channel thought that this was a monkey, right? The thing that was like had its hand trapped in the deep fryer. Yeah. Yeah. And that was marketed and pushed for years as an alien that was caught by ranchers in Mexico. Right? He convinces himself so deeply of his own conspiracies that he's not willing to see the other argument

and the other argument is right there glaring him in his face, right? Right. Yeah. And the bugosphere, it's like this guy, Mark from Falcon Airspace, Mark, oh, it'll come to me. Mark Sokol. Oh, I've heard of that name. He's friends with Jeremy Reese.

Yes, that's how I heard about him. He flew down to one of the Buggosphere conferences that Jaime was presenting this. Yeah. And he said, Hi, can you let us drill in and take a sample of the bugosphere? And he drilled right through with the DeWalt. You know, it's probably made of like aluminum or something cheap like that. And he took a little camera and, like a fiber optic camera and looked around inside. You could see the glue holding it together.

Is this published? Yeah. Mark Sokol and I believe his friend published it. And it became a huge thing. Everybody was like, what that? Like, this is so fake, right? But again, it's not the popular discussion about, right? Right?

Mm-hmm. There's also video out there of the bugosphere literally flying through the air being hung by a fishing wire. You can pull it up. I think I've seen this. I think it's on Instagram or something. Yeah, I've seen that. And a guy who, like, maybe like a Russian guy or something, Ukrainian guy, I don't know, somewhere like that, did a full video analysis and shows the glare from the sun as the bugosphere, you know, is flying through the air.

What do you make of the Bledso Orbs? You know what? I haven't done a full deep dive on that, but I have seen some of the controversy, like my friend on X was, he posted a clip that Chris Bledso, no, Ryan Bledso, his son, had published saying that this was a winged orb.

So it was like a security camera footage of an object flying into view and then off. And it obviously had wings. It was a bird. But Chris, Ryan Bloodso said this was a perfect example of a winged orb. And yeah, like people. They do. He does conjure these orbs. I've seen it in real life.

You have? I have. I have the video. Steve. We have it on video. Yeah. I'll have it on my desktop because it's so beautiful. So again, I haven't done a deep dive on, on them.

But I know that there are some videos out there that. We don't need to play. We've played it so much. Yeah, play it for me just so I can see it. We can put the headphones on. We can. There's not really any sound. No, you can hear you talking.

So to set this up, this black line is the horizon of the ocean. So everything from this point down is water and everything from this point up is sky. And you can see some stars and you'll see some planes. Flying. But this is the cool part. You see the planes and the orbs in the same shot. Okay. This is right up the beach here.

Wait, is that flashing? That is a plane. That is a plane. Oh, okay. That's a plane. Now you see that they just came off the horizon, that's not a plane. Okay. Yep, solid light.

She got it. Look, now it's moving to the right. And look, the other one on top starts moving to the left. So the thing is, it, it blooms and then fades away. Huh, which is not what LEDs do. And all the planes out there had LED lights. And are you recording this with like a psionics? Yes.

This was not visible to the naked eye. Okay. Right, Steve? Yeah. I mean, I could see it. I couldn't capture it with my camera though. His camera wouldn't pick it up, but we'll do the psionic thing, monocular. Yeah, it's like almost fleer.

So it like enhances light for the sensor. Right. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that they have caught some UFOs on video. Like I think that it's possible maybe some of this human intention stuff, stuff, like this whole psionics thing, is credible. It's possible that people can... The Jake Barber stuff? Possible that you can summon something with your mind's eye or your mind thinking, right? Yeah.

I'm not against it. It just... Something inside me just says, like, it gets a little bit culty when, you know, it gets a little bit culty when, people show them like, you know, that's a bird, not a winged orb. You know what I mean? When that type of footage comes up, people can be wrong, you know, if somebody... Well, if they're seeing real orbs all the time, yeah, they might confuse... Everything becomes an orb eventually. Yes. And that's the problem too, right? But like, I was at contact in the desert this past, what was it? Jew? Yeah.

End of May, beginning of June. The blood soes were there. There was a lot of satellites in the sky. And they were saying that like everything was a UFO. That's kind of weird to me. Not to say that they haven't captured some UFOs. I want to know what the fuck that thing was. They came off the horizon.

Yeah. If it's coming from the ocean, have you ever heard of the Tedesco brothers? No. So they operate out of Long Island and they have like an RV camper van that has all of this high-tech camera gear. I think they even have like some form of radar. Like they're scientifically and technologically fully equipped and they're looking out into the ocean off of Long Island and they're recording this same sort of footage. Wow.

objects that are coming kind of like seemingly out of the ocean, that, but they're also what they're doing, which is smart, they're monitoring air traffic. So they're seeing, okay, that object that's right there that we can see on the camera that we're recording right now can't be a plane because it's not on the flight map. It's not on like, you know, the app that shows this is what should be there right now. Yeah.

So I think you guys might have caught like an authentic UFO. Maybe the blood soes are able to do what they're saying, but not all the time. And that has me skeptical sometimes when I also, Chris has made like multiple predictions that didn't come to pass, right? Like an apocalypse that was supposed to happen this past April, We're coming up on October now. That's when he pushed the next date.

And it involves like, I think, some star formation aligning with the pyramids. Star Regulus aligns with the stinks. Yeah. And then... I think that freaks me out the most is that Tim Taylor guy who was like obsessively visiting him and befriending him.

Was that a sci-op? I don't know. it's fucking weird. Why was he targeting that guy? Why was NASA people and John Alexander and, uh, um, uh,

semi van. Why were they all? Diana. They were all magnetic to this guy. Diana Palsalka. Yeah. Like they could have just ignored him and known one would have ever paid attention to him.

But they all attracted to him and, and now he got all this attention. Well, or were they all put in touch with each other and all put in touch with him? that's the other question, right? Like, if it was nothing, if he was just seeing something that was nothing, why would they all say,

hey, there's this guy who works construction and this religious dude works construction in fucking North Carolina, let's all go make this guy a super UFO star. What? I don't know. There's two sides to every story. The Benowitz thing,

at least he was seeing like real aircraft on an Air Force base. And they had a legitimate reason to throw him off the trail, right? With Bledsoe, what is their incentive? I don't know. Like, honestly, my mind is open to possibly he's had these encounters with the lady and, you know, he's seeing UFOs, he and his family.

But the other side of that, you know, when you just dig down a little bit deeper. And I know that there's going to be like, there's going to be dirt that people can find on anybody, right? Like, everybody's not perfect. But there was like kind of a builder. Yeah, Bob Lazar is a great example of that. There's a builder scam that people have attached to the home builder scam that people have attached to Chris Bledsoe because he wasn't building houses properly and declared bankruptcy and stuff like that. And then Mufon did a interview with him. You can find this online, actually.

The Mufon interview kind of, they did a lie detector test with him, and he failed that about his own recollection of his UFO encounter. This was back in, I think, like, 2008 or something like that. So, I mean, it's not like he didn't come from nowhere. I think he's been involved in the UFO community for a while. He's just had a resurgence and blown up recently. And, you know, through Gaia TV. That's the major platform.

When was he on Gaia? I think like four years ago. So I had him on my podcasts. Do you remember when that was? I think it was 23. I thought it was earlier than that. No, I wouldn't earlier than that. Yeah, it was like late 23.

Late 23. Yeah. Okay. Would have been around the same time. Like, that he ended up going also on the podcast circuit and becoming, like, a profit for future things to come as well as, here's one of the other things that I've, like, been vocal about on X. Like, you know, X is assess.

pool for debauchery, degenerate conversations and fighting. And I got a couple words in about a problem that I saw with the blood sew activity. That was regarding his ability to heal people. Oh, that one's sketchy. Yeah. When you start to talk about healing people's cancer, that's a territory that you're actually blending

with Jesus Christ. I agree. And one of my friends... And the dog, too, that he healed his dog. I guess. I mean, I mean, what set off alarm bells for me, Grant Cameron has cancer, treating it, right? Like, sometimes you live with cancer for a long time. I don't wish it on anybody.

I hope that people seek medical help. But he had cancer. I was talking with his like friend and research colleague, Nicole Sackage, back when this story kind of was being picked up and pushed throughout the UFO community that Chris had sent an orb to heal Grant Cameron's cancer and beyond belief. Yeah. So what is that? Oh, that's his book.

Yeah. Yeah, on Guy. Oh, Gaia. Yeah, Gaii. Published on August 28th, 2024. Yeah. And when do we do our podcast with him? Same. Two years ago.

Yeah, click on that, click on more. December 4th, 2023. Okay, so you were first. Okay. You're responsible. So... I got a funny story about this after you. Okay, all right.

But like, and I've met Chris, I think he's a wonderful man. I think he means well, too. But when you start talking about, like, healing people, people's fatal illnesses. That's where I'm like, okay, this is getting super sketchy. So he was claiming to people that he healed Grant Cameron's cancer. And I talked to Nicole Sackage. She was like he's still dealing with it.

It has not gone away. It's in his shoulder. And actually Grant has not done a ton of media appearances. He's done some. and he was just on Jesse Michaels. Grant, Cameron? Yeah. Oh, really?

Yeah. So he's still around. I think he's living with his son in British Columbia. But, you know, the whole healing thing is a problem. And there are people that will believe that and maybe shell out tons of money. I don't know if that activity is actually happening, but that typically happens. when you have spiritual healer types. It happens over and over again throughout history, right?

Like John the Prophet down in Brazil, huge dude that said he was, you know, healing everything. Cancer, he would like even do operations on people. Somehow they'd survive it and be like, he healed me, but probably they were no better. That could also be mind over matter, which is just. a consciousness thing. If you convince yourself enough, sometimes I think you can change your own physiology.

You can will your... It goes both ways, right? If you believe that your life is over and you believe you have something that's going to kill you and the doctor tells you you're going to be dead in seven days, you could die. That can happen. Like you can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Right. So I think intention is powerful. The mind is like so powerful, man. Yeah. So I just... I'm worried of that. And, you know, if somebody sees a UFO, that's one story. But when they start saying they're a healer and, you know, all these other things and, you know, you go to their night watch, you see a satellite and they're saying, oh, there they are.

There's the. Yeah. They're saying hello to us right now, everybody. Thank you, God. You know, it's like, come on. It's a satellite. Yeah. So I'm just wary of that.

And I'm not saying that everything about him is untrue. I'd love to speak to him about some of his cases and, you know, get to the bottom of it. Have you read his book? I have not read UFO of God. It's pretty interesting. His just his story, his life story and the experiences that he had personally are very interesting. Yeah, the Tim Taylor thing. I've heard about that.

That's crazy. And NASA, you know, comes up again. He told me on the podcast, I think. I think I edited it out of the podcast actually. I edited this out of the original podcast. Why? I was just afraid. I was afraid I was going to get in trouble or something was going to strike me or something.

But it was a story that he told me of Tim Taylor showing him an actual men-in-black neuralizer that wipes memory. Okay. I don't think they need that though. I don't think I have the, I might have the clip saved somewhere on the raw footage, but yeah, that was like such a crazy story. And he like showed him the dot the blueprints for. for it. Should publish that in this interview. You should just put that clip right as you mentioned it, cut it in and be like, yeah,

I saw neuralizer. Yeah, maybe I will find it and I'll do it. Maybe I'll cut it in right here. We'll see. Yeah. Probably not though. Do that would be bombshell. I don't know if I have it anymore.

We'll have to see. Come on. We'll have Steve look through the hard drives. Yeah. Steve, look through the race. See if we still have that. All right. But I mean, like, yeah, I think there's a lot of really big figures in the community that have

that have, you know, some things that don't look too good and some things that look interesting. And it's, I'm open to it, right? With the blood sows. I just haven't done a full deep dive and some of that stuff. There's a lot of stuff, dude. It's too much stuff to navigate. Yeah. You know, it's just like, have fun with it.

You know, handle your part, your little part that you can control and that you have the time to investigate. and then no human being has the time to like go deep on all of these sensational stories that are out there. It's like, yeah. Hopefully there's enough people out there in the community that can put their evidence together and create some sort of a,

some sort of a compelling way for us to navigate this fucking maze of bullshit. Yeah. I think like, there's no hope. of a disclosure process that we've all been kind of hoping for. What we're seeing now is like a controlled narrative. Yes. So that's kind of disconcerting.

What it ends, what it leads to, who knows, right? Like is David Grush gonna get his way? And are they gonna just like say we're not alone? And these are the aliens that are out there? I don't know. I'm just going to have to watch the story as it evolves. And, you know, I'll keep building documentaries. That's all I can do.

That's all I can do. Well, thanks for doing this, bro. It's been fun. Tell people where they can find out about all of your work, all your stuff online, your documentaries, all that fun stuff. Yeah. So a lot of my docs are free on YouTube, YouTube movies like Secret Space UFOs, Puerto Rico's UAPs, Pascagoula 73, and a lot of them are on

Amazon Prime. So the newest one, the Drifton Files Mummy Mania, that one's on Amazon Prime, Apple TV, and Dark Alliance, which we talked about before, it got taken off the original one, which was a two-part expose each hour and a half was on 2B for free got taken down as you know but um the follow up to that dark alliance the next generation is on 2b tv for free for people to watch and uh yeah really appreciate people checking out my work um they want to follow me on socials on ex at occult journeys um Instagram, Darcy Weir Films, and, yeah, YouTube at Ocull Journeys. Appreciate you having me on and people can reach out any time.

My pleasure, dude. Thanks for making the trip. And we'll link all your shit below for folks that want to look it up. Cool. All right. Good night, everybody.