Danny Jones Podcast - #44 - The Fluid Nature of Truth, Reality and UFO'S | Mike Hengstebeck

Episode Date: June 8, 2020

Mike Hengstebeck is an American Veteran who works in the cannabis distribution & transportation business. Mike also has extensive knowledge of the history of UFO sightings & events around the world. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So what are we, so what are we, you're just a UFO conspiratorial expert? Would you call yourself an expert? I know more than the regular guy. I mean, I don't know what point you become an expert at it. You know, most of it is conjecture. Yeah, yeah. You know, kind of an educated guess. Hey, is this real?

Well, definitely, you definitely dive way deeper into it. You have a lot more knowledge of it than anybody else I know, which is super cool, because it's really interesting. Well, it is. It's one of those hobbies you just kind of get involved with, and then all of a sudden you find yourself in a situation like this. when you know somebody asked me a question about Brazil and hey what are the chances there could be a UFO that crashed here I started I started laughing Brazil yeah yeah I mean so thanks for coming on we've had you on before this is your second time you guys thanks for having me back yeah absolutely so what are we going to talk about today well listen I you know I've been

always interested in some of this aerial phenomenon we've seen and some of the different events that take place and kind of always had an interest over the last I don't know 15 or 20 years looking at all the stories. You know, we talk about the moon landings being fake or Yiddies or JFK. And I'm always intrigued by the believers and non-believers. It's irrelevant really whether I believe it in one way or the other. I was always curious as to what the other person thinks or how did the story get started? So about two days ago, I had a buddy call me up and asked me about a crash of a UFO in Brazil.

And I chuckled. That's kind of funny, dude. he's like no really man I got this video I'll send to you it's a it's an Instagram and it's something that's taking place in Brazil but there's been a UFO crash there I'm like well dude if there was a UFO crash that's that's pretty big information that's pretty big news yeah I haven't heard a word about it I mean nothing online so in the meantime he sends me the information I view it on my phone and I look at it I'm like well I mean it looks like a good movie yeah like really looks like a good movie I'm

dude I mean someone's done some great work here and in the meantime well I have this conversation with a good buddy of mine. I have another friend of mine that calls me, the State Department asking me the same thing. And he's not, he's a nobody within the State Department. He's kind of a, of a secretary. But again, we share the same common interest in this aerial phenomena that we see. And so he said, he asked me the same question about a crash in Brazil two days ago. And I'm like, no, dude, I really haven't. Are you being serious? He's like, I'm being dead serious, man. Something took place in Brazil. And we're not sure. And I said, listen, I have some contacts there.

Now, just to go real quick back on my background, working in the special operations community, approved countries to work with that the State Department allowed us to work with, came up on many of my radar, and Brazil is one of them. The State Department said, hey, you can do work with them. So we did training,

and we worked with all their special operations guys across the board on their law enforcement side through the Brazilian Police Department, through their special ops teams called GARA, and then they have a unit that's even above that, that the nickname is Bope. B-O-P-E. And you can look them up online, and if you put Brazilian police boep, it'll pull them up and give you a Wikipedia background on them. But these are strong groups. These are guys that are

they're fighters. They are looking at narco-terrorism across the board. A good group of guys, highly trained, highly specialized. So when this event kind of broke out, I actually reached out to a friend of mine that was with the, he's the chief of police and re-o-dice. So BOPP is stands for I can't pronounce that battalion de operations polisias especialis so it's military police of Rio de Janeiro. Yeah, correct. We all have special talents and again all counterterrorism. The state of Rio has its own military force. It's actually Brazil and what they do is they break it off and these guys are all would you know in the states here we have civil rights. There they have

no civil rights. They can, you know, you're better off not to give these guys a hard time. It's to give an example, the guys that moved here from Rio, and they live here now in the States, had to retire here because they weren't safe any longer in Brazil. One of the guys there, his last year in, killed 11 people in his neighborhood. So his wife used to vacuum the house with a gun on our hip. Jesus. So these guys were serious.

I mean, they really were the tip of the spear. when they retired, they had to get permission to come here. Now, they worked for a group here that is kind of spook-oriented. They're working with the Saudis right now on several different programs. And I've done, like I said, I've known these guys for a long time. So when this question got asked about this crash, I said, well, listen, I can get an answer to this right now. I sent a message, text message, to the chief in Rio, but I never got to reply back. So I went to a buddy of mine who runs this group, and I said,

said, hey, you guys hear anything about a UFO crash? And he had me on speaker, and he goes, well, I don't know, but I got news for you. I'm not going to tell you the guy's name, but the other guy was sitting in his office. He goes, he's sitting in my office now and just heard you say that. And I said, so I said, listen, I know it sounds funny, but have you guys heard of this? And he goes, no, no, we haven't heard of it at all. And I said, can you do me a favor? Can you just check it?

Just ask a question. That's all I'm asking. These guys are in Brazil that you're talking to? These guys are actually now located here in the States. They work here now, stateside. They retired from Brazil. Okay. To the U.S.

And do you know, can you say what department they were from? They were, I'll just say they were with Garra. They were with Garra. They were with Garra. Which is a special option group out of Brazil. Okay. And again, law enforcement guys. Okay.

Really heavily trained. So I had, when I started asking the question about this crashed UFO, I could hear him in the background kind of laughing and snickling and everybody thought was a big joke. Yeah. I said, listen, just do me a favor. Just ask the question. Quit watching the history channel.

Exactly. Exactly. So, sure enough, about 45. five minutes later, I get a text message from him and goes, dude, you're not going to believe this. It is real. And Boep has the place locked down. And I said, where at? And he goes just outside of Rio.

Yeah. They're not telling us a whole lot, but they definitely said it's a crashed alien vehicle of some sort. There's a, in the videos that we got, there was initially a hole that you could see through the trees. You couldn't see anything behind on the other side of the holes. But he said, you're not going to believe the story that's going to come out of this. And I'm like, I can't believe what I'm hearing now with regards to the fact that you guys have a crash there. And no one knows about it. So they're fully convinced saying 100% this is a UFO crash.

100%. 100%. Garra, these guys are Garra. The guys from Garra, this is actually coming from Boe. This is coming from Boe. He couldn't get a direct answer from Garra. So he called the guys a Boat. And Boe told him, yeah, not only do we know about it, we have a security person.

permanent and got this place locked down right now. Yeah. There was some talk that there was some Americans hadn't pulled up yet, but I think the amazing point of this whole thing is that no one knows about it. And I don't know, you know. Well, it's not any mainstream websites that I've found. I googled it. I looked all over Reddit.

I looked all over Twitter. I mean, most of the links are on Twitter. There's some stuff on Reddit. But for the most part, it's really hard to find legitimate media sources talking about it. There's one vice article. There's one vice article I found. This one right here. UFO over Maje Brazil, sparked social media panic and conspiracies.

It talks a lot about it. And it talks about how like Brazil is kind of like a mecca and like a hub for these kind of sightings and these UFO encounters. And listen, for me again, I had never really known that. I mean, spending time there, I did some work out there with some friends of mine. And never did we see anything that was slightly unusual. And listen, who's looking for them with these turn of events? You know, then you've got, there's other shows.

on TV right. And you've got Skinwalker Ranch that's on right now dealing in extraterrestrial lives. And they've, in the meantime, on this ranch with these scientists that are now running these tests on the ground and the soil are finding all these weird anomalies, these real high radar, microwave energy that are shooting way up. They're actually, you know, on the show showing you these huge readings. They actually tried to drill down on the property until they hit something they couldn't drill through anymore. And they actually started suffering like a mini earthquake that was taken place. So, you know, again,

around the world, these colossal events seem to be taken place. We had some more places here in Florida last week that said over by NASA, where they're the little of the space launches by Kennedy Space Center. Yeah. That they saw almost a hundred different vehicles

up, and they were really, really high up into the atmosphere. They couldn't tell how far up, but they were all lights and moving all different directions. And everybody's scratching the head, trying to figure out, what is that? And I said, listen, Maybe, you know, the new satellites they have now that the U.S. is using, and they put up, I believe, a rocket just a couple of weeks ago that we're going to let these small cube-like four-by-four satellites up. And I said, hey, listen, maybe it's them. And he's like, well, why would you let them go in such a low orbit?

I said, listen, again, not knowing anything on the aerospace side of it, kind of, again, looking at the anomalies side of it. And I said, I'm not sure, but there's got to be an answer to it somewhere. Right. That could be a possibility. You know, so we look at, we look at, again, the Navy releasing two different video clips of two different Navy officers who picked up something on their, their gun sites on their new F-18 Hornets. And what odd thing is there, the Navy let them just come out and post a story and talk about it. This is the stuff that the Pentagon just declassified, right, the three videos. That's exactly what it is.

Yeah. And it's, you know, it happened back in 2014. and again, listening to the pilots talk about this. And because the first questions that came out of the guy that was actually talking to one of the pilots was, well, isn't this classified information. He's like, listen, nobody's debriefed me on anything and told me I couldn't talk about this.

And it's not so much about the UFOs I want to talk about. It's about the safety that really concerns me more so than anything because he said the day that we had noticed these and the day that I picked this one off on my gun site, he goes, it looks like a saucer. It's not moving. He goes, the odd thing about it was we're using a thermal imager on our F-18 Hornets that sees heat. So we're looking for a jet engine, a hotspot.

He goes, nowhere in this video on this vehicle can we find a hotspot. Actually, what we do see is around the vehicle, just around the perimeter of it, a real light area, which indicates it's very cold there. So again, trying to think. They can reverse that, right? Those imaging, the imaging systems they have on those jets, they can reverse it to where hot is. white or hot is black. Black. Right. Correct. And the F-18 Hornets right now are the ones they're using right now where hot is black.

Okay. So it shows up better, especially in the evening hours, twilight zone when they're out running operations. Okay. So Yeah, I was, sorry to interrupt, but when I was in New Smyrna and Ponce over the past three days, on Thursday morning, we were out surfing probably around 9 a.m.

And there was, I don't know what kind of jets they were, and I'm not an expert in fighter jets at all, but there was some a serious group of jets circling us right off of Newsomer and Inlet, right off of Ponce Inlet. And this jet was like, it was black and it looked like some sort of stealth jet. Like I've never seen in person. Like a B1 or... But the craziest thing about it was that it was flying and the sound, like this

sound that was coming from it was the jet would be here, but the sound would be miles behind it. Wow. So you're getting that technical... So I don't understand the way sound travels and, you know, how fast those jets are going, but that thing must have been going fast as fuck for the sound to be that far behind it. Because you'd hear it and you'd look, no, it's not where the sound's coming from. It's way over there. And I'm sure, too, that they wanted to be like that.

Yeah. They've set these things up to make sure that, you know, when we start running hard and guys are going to come outside, I'm trying to think, hey, listen, we're being attacked now. Yeah. Yeah. You know, where are they? Yeah. But you're another one.

Absolutely. And again, looking at that technology. You know, when you talk about technology shifts, you look at thermal imagers, you look at night vision, where did that come from? Who developed that? You know, when you look at the night vision, there's a really interesting story about it

because of the way that they found it. But there are people that would say that, hey, this was taken from the crash of 1947 in Roswell also. And as they reverse engineer some of this stuff, some of it, they don't know what it is. We don't know what it is. Yeah. And eventually something happens to where,

I mean, printed circuit boards. was a big conversation because everything before printed circuit boards was tubes. Yeah. wires and tubes. So I saw a hilarious comment on Reddit about when the Pentagon declassified those three videos of the UFOs. Someone said that it's just the government trying to prepare humanity for part three of 2020. Which is interesting because if you take into consideration all the things that are going on, UFOs are coming to kill us and sear the face of the earth.

Strange enough. I mean, believe it or not, even going back about five or six months ago, I got some friends who were really heavy into conspiracies. Yeah. And they said, oh, man, there's going to be a red flag. The U.S. government's going to say the aliens are attacking, and there's going to be a red flag, and they're going to lock us all down. Well, it didn't quite go that way.

It turned into a pandemic. Yeah. And we voluntarily locked ourselves down. But at the end of the day, the aliens never really showed up, or did they? And as you watch more shows, you know, again, like the Skinwalker that's on the history channel, and dealing on facts. This isn't some sort of mythological story. It's events that are taking place.

And they're actually there recording it. And whatever's going to happen we're going to see on film at some point. Yeah, there are some crazy conspiracies about the COVID-19 pandemic. I've read some of those that how they say that, I mean, they seem like such bullshit because it's, how could they say that this is like a dry run to see if people can stay locked down just to hide something else? Like I heard something about an asteroid. like if there was an asteroid coming, they wouldn't want people to panic.

They'd want people to stay indoors and try to kind of like hedge the downside of what could happen if an asteroid actually hit. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, it's funny you even say that. Going back, I don't know,

I think it was probably four years ago, the government came out with a program called Jade Helm. And really... Jade Helm. And it was just odd. when they came to me, they said, hey, look, we're looking for extras down here in Fort Lauderdale. It's a military exercise.

Can you come down and be part of it? We're looking at, I absolutely love to. Great time. So we ended up, we went down to Fort Lauderdale, got situated. Two of the guys were on our, and we were kind of like terrorists taking over a building. And two of the guys that were with us were not guys I had seen before.

They kind of stuck to themselves. And I have a couple times tried to warm up to them. So who are you guys? You guys running the show here? You part of this Jade Helmer? you military guys, are you scientists, who were you, and never could really get to that portion of it. And, of course, the exercise went on that night. And I had heard one of them make reference to Jade Helm and called it an event rather than a name.

And so about four months after this event, this was something that was going on around the country. About four months after the event, I heard that Jade Helm was a program that was set up for, there was an asteroid that passed between the moon and the earth. It came real close to hitting us. and they were prepping for that. I'm not sure how they were prepping for it or why, because these were all special operations guys. They were using the, I think they're called the Black Knights.

It's a 160th group. It's an army group. They're highly specialized in flights of helicopters and stealth vehicles. And they were the actual pilots of this whole event that took place. But it was after this that we heard about Jade Helm. So could that be something that was real again? you know, again, absolutely. You know,

are the stories factual? You know, what's factual? What's really true here? Go back to my story about Brazil. No one's heard about it. It's like the greatest secret ever. Yeah. I'm speaking to guys who don't have,

they don't have a dog in this fight. It's not like they want to keep it from anybody or try to share it with anybody. Right. But the fact that they've got the facility locked down and that no other media outlet knows anything about it is just crazy. Especially today,

You can get online, put a YouTube video in, and everybody can see it around the world. Right. But for whatever reason, we're just not getting that information now out of Brazil. Now, what did you see? Like, what is the actual video of this thing going now? Is it actually on YouTube? Because from what I've seen is that it's been scrubbed from Twitter. Like, even Reddit, some of the Reddit threads that I've been finding, the subreddits,

the moderators have been taking down posts. and some of the posts on Twitter, and even there was a hashtag on Twitter, I think it was like Maja UFO from Brazil, one of the hashtags just vanished off Twitter. So for some reason, some of these social media platforms seem to be censoring.

Well, it's odd too because, and listen, I try not to wave the flag too hard here, but even when I started looking on YouTube, trying to find certain events, I found a couple events, and then all of a sudden I had problems reconnecting with YouTube on a connection at my house and all of a sudden I lost all connectivity

it was like my IP, something happened to my IP address. I could go to the front room and hook onto that and go back and look at anything I want. But as soon as I went back onto YouTube and tried to look at any material there again that's relative to the story, all of a sudden I would lose my, couldn't contact the server.

I don't know. I think that might be something to do with your Wi-Fi. Listen, again, I'm 100% with you. Yeah, we got to call Forrest, get him to get a Wi-Fi extender in that back. room. I don't know why the government wouldn't want you to look up stuff in one room and not the other. Like I say, man, two different networks. One was the 5G. The other one wasn't. And it was using two different routers. So, and listen, I mean, could have just been a simple problem? Yeah. I mean, are there anything like coincidences like that? I mean, does somebody really care if I try to figure out if there's a UFO crash in Brazil? Somebody might. Hey, it's, it's one of those interesting moments again that kind of leads to, you know, back to the whole conspiracy story.

and how it gets started. Now, what's up with the 6.5 magnitude earthquake that happened in area 51, near area 51, the same day, I think it was. It was the same day. Now, is that supposed to have any connection? You know, again, no one knows about the Brazil event, so how can you connect the two together? Exactly. You know, you find out about that event because it also took place in Utah out of the Skinwalker Ranch. They also have...

Is that where Skinwalker Ranch is in Utah? Utah. It's in Utah. Okay, yeah, it says 6.5 magnitude earthquake hits Nevada Area 51. Quake felt from Utah to California. Yeah. Okay. And so, you know, again, there's guys talking about that the community there, the S2, out to Area 51, have these underground tunnels that allow them to, you know, go anywhere, I guess, five or six hundred miles an hour under the planet.

Elon Musk just got through putting a similar kind of roadway through Las Vegas underground. I think it was Los Angeles. He's trying to put it through Los Angeles right now. Is that what he's doing? Yeah, it's called The Boring Company. We're trying to develop underground tunnels for traffic, basically like putting cars on sleds and shooting them through underground tunnel. And that boring technique they use is really interesting because if you watch them how they bore through the ground

and they actually take this hard ground and melt it and make it part of the actual encasing of the tunnel. Yeah, and he also talks about how they're supposed to be, because one of the main concerns is earthquakes, because in California it's known for earthquakes. Sure. But the tunnels are, I guess, lined with some sort of like flexible membrane where he claims that it's more safe against earthquakes than driving on a main road. Hey, like I said, where's Elon Musk come from?

Right. Yeah. Who is he? So, again, an interesting guy, interesting background, comes from an interesting place. Yeah. And very, very smart. Yeah, he's a genius. Very, very smart man.

And then another part of this whole Brazil, this recent U.S. FO crash, quote unquote crash in Brazil, is this thing right here. The part of the map, if you go on Google Maps and you go to this exact spot, people are claiming that. For some reason, this part of the map is completely whited out. And I mean, it's like the shape of a flying saucer in a movie. And here's what's funny. But why is that part? Why is it blacked out?

Why is it whited out like that? One of the guys actually said that it's a sun glint. But what's interesting is. It's a shiny roof that's being reflected, but you can see there's kind of a flare. No, it looks to me like it was cut out of there somehow. Like it's been digitally. Yeah. Like they cut it out.

Yeah, literally. Yeah, because of the pixelation. If it was a sun, I mean, if it was like a lens flare or a reflection from a bright, shiny roof or something, it would be kind of like those upper edges. It would be like a kind of a blurred edge, not a pixelated edge with a shadow around it. Looking like it was cut, literally. That's Google Maps. That's Google Maps. This is Google Earth right here.

Yeah, Google Earth. You can see more topographical. And that's where they're saying that the crash is at? This is exactly where they're saying the crash was at, yeah. Right in Fraggoso. That's just outside of Rio, yeah. Right outside of Rio, yeah. So I don't know how to explain that either. Well, I'll tell you what's kind of funny.

And if you look at the shape of that cut, and you look at the shape of the one that the pilot in the Navy is chasing, they look very similar. Very similar to that. How do we see what the pilot in the Navy? Oh, oh, in the video. In those videos that were released by the Pentagon. Correct. Correct.

And it looks like a kind of like a top, but it looks like a UFO, a saucer shape, but it's got that odd peculiar, something in the middle of it, bump. Yeah, that's super strange. And is this, I don't know if this has been seen anywhere else on Google Maps. A flip like this. They talk about this. They talk about this in great detail, because they don't really have a whole lot to look at or to talk to. Who was talking about it again?

This was somebody on YouTube, but I pulled this up. I'll send you the link to it. Okay. that basically just kind of outlines what they think is going on because actually at some point, in the Instagram I'm looking at, looks like they launch rockets, and you hear them going off in the background. And again, it's, you know, Brazil is very militant in their thinking.

You know, the White House has actually missiles and buildings around them. So if an aircraft tried to crash into it, they could knock that thing out of the sky. I don't see why the Brazilians wouldn't have something similar to that, especially because we work with the Brazilians a lot. We trust them. They're, I mean, listen, at the end of the day that we're all on the same team. Yeah, it's kind of fucked up to think that if a UFO actually crashed in Brazil,

the first thing human beings do is start fucking shooting it. I wouldn't put it past. Listen, with this whole, like, we are fucking barbarians. Look at the coronavirus. Look how many people are buying into the whole mask thing. And I know those people out there that hate me for saying that, but I'm like, I got bad news for you. All that does is prevent you from giving it.

It doesn't prevent you from getting it coming through your eyes. Right, right. It prevents you from like if you cough or you sneeze. It keeps particles and whatever germs away from people around you. And again, looking at this, it was supposed to be 2.2 million people that were going to be killed. And I think we're, and I'm sure in looking at some of the information I've seen on the virus, I actually saw where Pennsylvania, the hospital there had to deduct 200 people that they said that had died from coronavirus. That actually didn't.

So I'm sure there's some skewed numbers out there. I see that some of the hospitals are getting subsidized by the federal government if they have got a lot of coronavirus patients there. Yeah, I read that somewhere too in Mexico that they're getting paid if they report like high numbers of that. Well, no, everyone, every hospital is getting paid. If you have a death from coronavirus, you make, it's something to the effect of like $30,000 versus a regular death is like $8,000. Wow. So if someone's sick and in hospital reports that, you're, that as a COVID, they get 30 to like 10 times the amount of money they would have normally

from the government. And that's kind of what the numbers are skewed. Nobody knows. Nobody really knows any of these numbers. Oh, 90,000 people have died. I'm like, listen, I don't want, you know, one person to die. I think when you start going back and looking at it also, the large percentage of these are these retirement facilities.

So there's currently 1.6 million cases in the U.S. And today, as of, what is, today's Memorial Day? The 25th. and there's 97,600 deaths total. So almost 100,000. And like I say, I don't want to see anybody die, but it certainly isn't 2.2 million people. Yeah, right.

You know, that came out. And again, most of the people that are dying are people who have had high blood pressure, they suffer from all kinds of health issues. Right. Well, the average age of death from this is higher than the average age of mortality in the U.S. period. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Well, when it first broke out, I went to the CDC, see and I was looking at influenza last year. And they showed 34,000 people died and about 900,000 people were admitted to the hospital. Right. At this point, I think we were just approaching on this side of the bay with the virus about about 30 or 35,000. But at the time it was, I said, listen, it's no different than what was taking place last year. And oh, by the way, if you're not practicing clean hygiene by washing your hands and

doing all the right, right, right. Yeah. Well, I went to the gym the other day and I laughed because when I walked inside, the guy wanted to take my temperature. And I said, Bob, let me ask you this. How many times you've had a fever and felt like going to the gym? And he goes, well, I don't want to get out of my house. I said exactly it.

He goes, listen, it's just we're going through the stages. We have a lot of elderly people also under the sneaker program. I think it's called blue sneakers for the elderly. What is it? Silver sneakers. And they are allowed to, you know, come into the gym. And these are much older people. And I would probably say, yeah.

Oh, okay. Anybody at that age could be at risk. They shouldn't be in there. I wouldn't say, listen, again, if you don't feel good, don't come in. If you feel fine, come on down to the gym and train. get back to where it was. Right, right, right. The problem is people don't like to follow other people's rules.

And, you know, at the end of the day, it's these private businesses, if they want to take your temperature or if they want you to wear a mask, they have the right to fucking tell you to do that. Sure. Go to go to another gym if you don't want to do it. Absolutely. People just want to, like, bitch and complain, like, it's my constitutional right to come into your gym or to shop at your store.

No, it's not. It's someone's business. Someone's private business. Like I say, I mean, I get it. At the end of the day, if you're at risk, everybody needs to keep that in mind. Yeah, for sure. But again, at the same time, there's something else that's going on because as these events kind of unfold in the bigger picture, what is really going on? I mean, you know, you look at, like I say, the Skinwalker Ranch and how all of a sudden, amazing this place has become.

And, you know, you go to ancient aliens now on the history channel. And they've got every guy in the world on there who's talking about Machu Picchu and Tikapu and all the different places in Peru. they just found now found some skulls out there that don't have a Sagittarius line which separates the center of the skull and they initially said that what they do is the inhabitants of this location and they're going back probably five to six thousand years ago

would actually do a thing called binding and they would tie the head so that the skull became long and the professor who was teaching the class was like well why were they doing that? They just didn't do that one day because they woke up and felt like hey, we want to tie our kids' heads and make them real long like this. He said there had been extraterrestrials there that had this elongated skull and that they found these skulls.

These skulls were 40% heavier, 25% bigger than a regular skull, and had no such tourist line that went down the center of the skull. Really? Oh, and he goes, it also didn't have any microchondria DNA. Because everything on the planet has that. And again, I'm like, well, why isn't this big news? where is the awe, the shock and awe over these events and these stories? I mean, are we so used to it now because we've seen every type of, you know,

sci-fi show on TV from Star Trek? So nobody believes anything anymore. The thing is there's scientists out there and researchers who have had their research sort of established already. And when new information or new discoveries come out, these people want to discredit it because their egos are attached to their discoveries and to what is already accepted. Sure.

So if you've devoted your life to one to one ideology, to one scientific ideology, and someone else comes in 20 years later and says, no, you guys are missing something, then it's sad that their ego kind of gets attached to it and they just want to, like, discredit that person or say, oh, that's a pseudo-scientist. Oh, yeah. And I think, I think that's, obviously that's a great point because I see that going on a lot. Like, if you look at the great spinks in Egypt and they talk about how old the spinks is, And a geologist actually came out and said,

no, it's actually much older than that. And they said, why is that? And he said, because what we're looking at was done with water, not wind. And this was erosion on the side of the actual sphinx. Right, right. And he came down and said, well, when it's water erosion, it goes one way. And when it's wind erosion, it runs actually lateral to the ground.

And he said, this was done by water. And so if you took the planet and kind of reversed wobble it, they could go back almost 10,000 years to when, that area was extremely wet. Mm-hmm. And he believes that's when the spank was actually put up. It was put up before the Egyptians were there. Egyptians kind of came into it after the fact.

Right. So same thing with Montu-Manchu Picchu in Peru. Absolutely. They say that the people there basically came there and just moved in. They didn't create it. Because there's no possible way humans. It would take like 30,000, 3,000 humans to carry one of those, or I don't know how many people they said it would take.

But basically those things are 10 tons, 20-ton bricks. And neither. They came from two mountain tops away. You know, were they trying to convince me. They dragged them, you know, 3,000 miles. Even though you could see the other mountaintop they came from, but they dragged them that far. When I had other guys say, well, you know, the Egyptians used rope

and they used these logs. I'm like, who was making the rope? How long was that rope? Was it really that strong? Like, you know, 3,000 men could pull on it Yeah. Come on, man. Really?

Yeah. There's something bigger going on. You look at how much they talk today and they really associate the pyramids with astronauts. Look at the Mayans. The Mayans had a calendar, a 30-day calendar. We liked it so much that we adopted that calendar. And the interesting thing is that the Mayans accounted for the wobble that the earth has. Yeah.

I mean, how do you do that? How do you understand there's a wobble when you don't get off the planet? So there's something else that's going on. Why are there pyramids? There's more pyramids in South America. America than all of Egypt. There's about 10,000 pyramids to South America. How did, and South America had no contact with Egypt.

How did they know to make that same type of building? The same design. The same design. It's, you know, using, I mean, whether this was to generate power or it was to communicate or it was set up as a, hey, this is the time of year that we were going to plant wheat, you know, the summer solstice is here and marks those because many of the buildings do mark those. You know, the summer solstice when this time.

to plant when it's not time of the wet season. And yet everyone wants to take it off at these savages out here that have these, you know, bows and arrows and rocks they chipped out of put these things up. Well, there's lots of evidence. I mean, especially, I don't know if you've

researched, done a lot of research on Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson. Graham Hancock wrote a book called Fingerprints of the Gods where he talks about those lost civilizations that got wiped out. And basically he says there's multiple cataclysmic events that happened. throughout the history of the earth, throughout the last six billion years that aren't accounted for

in basically modern studies of history and ice ages that aren't accounted for. And basically the basics, the basic summary of it is that there were civilizations just as advanced as us, if not more advanced, that got wiped out by crazy ice ages and comets that hit the earth. Like there's a, there was a new meteorite location in Greenland, I think it is, where it's like an 18 mile wide comet. Wow. That would have wiped out the earth and seared the top of the planet. And they also showed, I mean, they have tons of YouTube videos and podcasts that actually detail this. So if you're watching this, search Graham Hancock and Randall,

Carlson where they talk about it and they even show detailed photos of if you go to the beach and it's low tide like right after the water goes back out near the shore you'll see like those ripples in the sand where you know water was just there and like current when current rips through an area like in a river you'll see ripples in the sand basically what they show is in Washington when you fly over these great plains in Washington there's these same exact ripples that are miles and miles and miles long. Where basically he's what it proves his theory that there was massive you know sea level changes where in one day the sea levels would rise by 300 400 feet because of these ice caps melting because these comets would hit earth and basically just create instant an instant climate change that would in one afternoon basically raise the temperature of the earth by who knows 100, 100. degrees and the whole top of the of the continent would be on fire and it would put it would add 400 to

300 feet of sea water on top of whatever was just there earlier that afternoon sure that water sure is that blows up and the same thing what you see at the beach with those little ripples in the sand or in a river mouth those little ripples in the sand underneath the water so it's absolutely mind-blowing no like i say man there's just there's still so much that we don't know you know even going out to Utah, and I've gone out there several times. We went out there with a family one year and found shells, you know, sea shells in a high desert somewhere. So you know the water was up at that point. There was even a study here, I want to say about five years ago, and they're always finding these mastodon, these little baby elephants and whatnot throughout Greenland.

And they end up finding one one day where the skin was still on it, was still had flesh, and it had been frozen. And the strange thing was, that they, you know, obviously the scientists were all excited, and they packed this little animal up, and they bring him back to the lab, and they start looking at him, and they found him in a frozen environment. But the interesting thing was that the contents of its stomach were still there,

and they were buttercups. And he said, when this animal was killed, he was in a field where there were buttercups. So whatever change happened, it's just a small plant that they would eat, like a grass plant. Okay.

And he said that whatever, event took place, wherever this little baby mastodon elephant was eating, was hit by a wall of ice and covered instantly. So whether it was an environmental change that happened right now, or it was a meteorite that struck the planet, part of that event, let's say, that took place that hit him. But he was in a warm environment right when he died. And so when you look at, there's now scientists that are looking at those events and going, hey, listen, some of these events were catastrophic. They just didn't happen over time. Yeah.

They happen right now. And so when you look at those events like that, I could absolutely see that happening. Yeah, this guy, Randall Carlson, talks about how during some of these events, that icebergs, the size of oil tankers would be just sliding, would just be being carried across the continent. And those icebergs are full of rock and debris at the same time. So when those things do, those things carry lots of rock and lots of big debris and fragments. So when those things melted, it explains why all these rocks are now scattered in places they would... These huge 100-ton stones would never be. These 100-ton stones were frozen in these 1,000-ton icebergs or something ridiculous.

I don't know the exact number, but these massive icebergs that were bigger than oil tankers, just sliding across the earth and completely just melting and powderizing anything in its way. And like I say, we're still seeing those changes today. If you look at how the tides have come up here just in Florida, There's areas, you know, I grew up here. There's areas where I used to go fishing at down by the shoreline. And today at high tide, those areas flood. And they didn't flood when I was a kid.

So these events are definitely happening. There's changes going on, whether it's, you know, related to the sun or to environmental, whether we're doing it, you know, becomes a whole other story. I think they're naturally occurring events that take place. You know, I watched a program the other night that talked about alien beings. And he said what they started talking about giving us the different types of blood types that we had. A positive, O, A negative. Look at these different blood types.

And those blood types were given to us so that at any one point in time, they didn't like what was going with that group of people. They could develop a bug that would after just that blood type and would kill them off. Where did you watch this? So they were talking, well, they started talking about the big plague, the bubonic plague. Oh, okay. And they said, so when you look at these catastrophic events throughout history that take mankind out, They only take out a certain group.

And as fast as they come in, they leave again. And so he said what he believed was that the planet is a living entity and that we're kind of like a bacteria on it. And for the last thousands and thousands of years, the extraterrestrials have been grooming us and trying to get us to do a certain thing. And every time we wouldn't do that certain thing, they would come through and kind of wipe us out. So if you go back and look at the history of mankind, you think, well, Man, the great flood they talk about in the Bible and the bupani plague and the Spanish flu and all these different events that come through and kill just hundreds and hundreds of millions of people said were brought on purpose by extraterrestrial beings. Well, another thing to consider is there's as far as like these big cataclysmic events that happen that wipe out civilizations and then wipe out the face of the earth. there's for instance there's this thing called the meteor or the the uh the torrid meteor stream

which is basically this freaking it's this like million mile wide stream of meteors and comets that the earth actually passes through twice a year okay i think it's in once in june and once in november and apparently the equivalence of the earth passing through this stream and not getting hit by an eight mile wide comet is the equivalence of you putting on a blindfold

and walking and running across a six-lane highway praying you don't get hit by a truck. My luck's not that good by the way. Yeah. But he was basically claiming that the earth passes through this thing twice a year and there's a handful of comets in that meteor stream,

the torrid meteor stream that are big enough to completely wipe out the face of the earth. So it's only a matter of time before one, you know, before one of those comets hits the earth again and just completely destroys the earth and everything, every living thing. Now, did you see this, this meteor that came in through Russia?

I want to say it was three or four years ago. It was actually one that came in through Garbosk, Russia. And in the process of actually coming down to the ground, something hit it. Yeah, it exploded. Well, I think what happened was it went, the atmosphere basically burned it up and it exploded in the air before it hit the ground, right? Well, what they do is they actually show something that actually flies up to it and hits it.

And they actually give this thing credit for that thing not hitting the earth. Well, again, listen, if this is a living, and let's go with this for a second, let's just say the planet is a living entity. And when I ask one of the guys who's put on the class, well, let me ask you this. Okay, let's just say that you're right and that we were given blood types for that reason. And we are a bacteria. Yeah. What's the, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's the, what is our, what is our, what are we supposed to do?

And, um, he said, listen, we've done it and we've mastered it and it's carbon dioxide. We now put more carbon dioxide in the history of mankind. And he goes, if you, he goes, I said, well, why would you say that? He said, well, the reason I say that is because there's more people on the planet now than ever recorded history. Right. Um, if they, if we weren't doing the right things, he goes, they'd get rid of us because that's not healthy for the planet. And so everything comes back to the planet. I said, so you don't think these are from other worlds?

And he's like, oh, no. They've always been right here. They're, again, their primary function is to make sure that the planet stays healthy and on its game. The other side of the coin was, too, that, you know, over millions and millions of years, the planet continues to get bigger. Because as trees grow and they die and, you know, the planet actually gets actually larger. It affects the way the planet spins. He got into great detail about...

How does the planet get larger? Well, you figure as it trees grow, you ever go to a forest and see how thick the underling is where all the leaves are? Like the mass of the earth grows? The mass of the earth literally gets bigger. And it actually what it does is there's also groups out there that say that like as an example, remember the Brontosaurus, real long lizard, long neck. Yeah. There are groups that will tell you now because of the environment here that animal could not live. its heart could not push enough blood throughout its whole body because they were so big.

If you look at the pteradactal, remember the teradactal, the bird that kind of flew, was a skin like a lizard. He said, in order for those to fly, you had to have the right environment. He goes, they didn't have legs where they could run and get up off the ground. They had like claws and the tips of their wings and they had these real short legs. Like they were hanging on to something and would let go and either go right off the bat or go into a glide or in enough where they could flap their wings one time and get up high enough where they could now fly. In order to do that, you need a low pressure.

pressure. So he believed that the earth had low pressure around it. He also believed that dinosaurs lived at the same time that man was here and that they kind of coexisted together. And that over time, you know, as the atmosphere changed, those animals could no longer adapt to it. And they ended up dying off. Which again. Well, the atmosphere definitely changed when the comet hit the earth. Completely. It definitely blacked out the sky and stopped things from being able to live. Was that part of that? I mean, they say, listen, when you go back and you start looking at some of these people that were in the Bible, how old they were, and you figure out that Moses was, what, five to 700 years old?

And so when he brought that up, I thought, well, that's interesting. Yeah. Okay, why do you think that is? And he goes, well, I don't think the sun was cooking everybody back then. So the radiation from the sun now is really what kind of at the end of the day does us in. And he said, back then they didn't have that. So they lived these crazy long lives like that. I mean, he also believed that all of the, um,

The gods that they talk about, Zeus and all of the others that follow under him, were real. And that we ourselves, just like the Bible says, you know, if God made us in his likeness. Okay, well, he said, if they made us in his likeness and he was a God, we kind of, we strive to be gods too. And I said, I don't understand that. What do you mean by that? He goes, listen, we want to fly. We want to control the weather. We want to swim underwater and be able to breathe.

These are things that gods do. And we perfected those. We now, you know, we can make it as cold as we want in the house. You can make it as hot as we want the house. We control all the elements. So, you know, you start kind of taking some of this into consideration. Like, well, maybe. I mean, again, it's all part of the theory.

People have this ideology of where we came from and what we're doing here and where we're going and the aliens. Is it all together? It's all really about the earth keeping it healthy at the end of the day. And these beings, like I say, have always been here. Project Disclosure came out in 2012. they had 44 members. Project Disclosure. Project Disclosure came out, I want to say 2012.

It was set up with 40 different members who were all, these were all real high military personnel. These were guys that worked within the federal government for, you know, different agencies, the NSA. And each one of these guys came out and told a little story. This guy calls himself. Stephen Greer, his name is Stephen Greer, he calls himself a UFO-O-O-O-Glogist. U-F-O-O-Gologist?

U-F-O-O-O-Gologist. He's actually an emergency room doctor, is what he really is. Oh, really? He's an emergency room doctor, which makes the story even more so amazing because himself and the gray guy. And listen, hey, Lazare lives here, too. Lizar lives in Coral-Ga-Ril, Florida. Does he really? Yes, he does.

He lives right here in Florida. He's an interesting dude. Oh, yes. Super interesting. Again, look at Element 115. And that's another weird thing I want to tell. I don't want to interrupt, but before we get off this topic, the Bob Lazar shit is so weird.

Going back to talking about the UFO that is hit in Brazil, how some of that stuff's disappearing off Twitter, disappearing off Reddit, I searched. Now, Bob Lazar did a podcast with Joe Rogan, which is one of the Joe Rogan's biggest podcast. I mean, he's got 11 million views.

It's definitely top 10% of the podcast as far as, like, popularity. If I go on YouTube and I search Joe, Rogan Bob Okay, it does pop up So this But you still got to look for it It's not shadow banned

Maybe that was just me For some reason They were trying to ban me I've been looking at too much UFO shit There's like Danny you We're cutting you off Zipped up All right

Anyways Stranger things happen What were you talking about Stranger things happened No but just listen He lives here In Coral Gables Florida

I mean again When you look at Element 115 That wasn't around And all of a sudden it's there they went to Bob's house about a month ago, the FBI did. Why would they go there and do that? I mean, if this guy really wasn't what he said he was, who cares? So obviously something was going on.

He obviously struck a nerve with somebody and what he was talking about with this element 115. Why don't you think, I mean, when you watch all of his interviews and all of his podcasts, I mean, it's almost, it's really fucking hard not to believe what he's talking about. Why would this guy be a lot? I mean, he would have to have spent a lot of time. fabricating these stories and all the details in them. Well, I think, too, when people started to go back and kind of do an investigation, because listen, nobody wants to take anybody at face value.

You know, like, this is a pretty big story. And you're like, you're part of this, really? You really worked at S2? S4. Well, yeah, but S2 is where this, the extraterrestrial vehicles were actually at. Okay. So he initially, when he came out, wanted just to share the information with everyone. And obviously, you know, the powers to be didn't want to do that.

So they discredit him. And they, when the, I'm trying to think, I believe the reporter's name was Knapp. Darrell Knapp was the investigating reporter. So what he did was went back to the university and asked for his university records. Oh yeah, because they wiped his university records. And that was, and so what it did was it made people kind of like me, oh, well, see you there, Lazare, you weren't telling the truth to begin with. Now they can't find anything on you.

And it's kind of, oh, really, the government did all this? Right. And like I say, when you go back now, all this time has gone on. All he was discredited for so many things. Like I say, you go look at the periodic chart. Element 115 is now on there. He talked about that element. And whatever else he had done and had recorded,

and they obviously thought that he had more information there because they went to his house. Right. And Bob's not a, Bob's not a troublemaker. He's not a, you know, this guy has a PhD. He's a highly educated man who thought that the truth should come out about, hey, listen, the American public can't handle it. Well, I think they can.

And I'm going to come out and let everybody know that wants to know. what's going on. And I think when you take that into consideration what he's done for UFOs across the board, help us better understand what we're seeing. Why they don't want to share this with us, whether we can handle it or not, you know, listen, I'm real far from that category. But when you talk to younger people today, especially the millennials, why are you far from that category? Personally, why do you think you're far from that category? I tend to, I try to be the moderate. I try to be the guy in the middle. I want to understand, you know, again, why is it that some people think that religion is real? Or why is it you think UFOs are real? Or why did you think

Kennedy was shot by this group? Or why did you think that? Well, it's fun to dive into all these conspiracy theory wormholes on the internet. It's really fun and it's really entertaining to do it. But if you're somebody who's really looking for the truth or is not going to just tie yourself to some idea and try to tell everyone that you're right and they're wrong, if you really believe something, you should be, I mean, this is something we talked about with Nathan Crock. Basically, if you think something's real, you should be always trying to go out there and prove it wrong. Find things that go against it. If you really want to believe something to be true, don't just look for things that are going to confirm your beliefs. Search for the things

that are going to prove you wrong. Sure. And listen, even when we talk about these things, and what event in your life that happens or takes place, you know, I'll give you another story. live near the beach here. Again, dealing with night vision. We just got some new night vision in. And so I had never used it before. And I was getting ready to go over to Socom. So I wanted to know.

Where do you get this stuff from? It just comes in from the manufacturers. Okay. There's a manufacturer that just does nothing but night vision. Okay. I are. So we go right to those guys. These units are about three grand, you know, when you start buying them out.

So most people won't go out and buy them. Right. But as we put these special operations teams together, and I get the equipment and bring it in, just kind of get to use it. So I went in the backyard and I'm laying on my deck. playing with it and there's a thing called that they talked about when I even with the inventor are called flaring and so I'm laying in the back and I'm doing this well out of the east come these two balls of light and I'm looking I pull the night vision away from

eyes I'm looking at the night vision I go I wonder if that's a flare that's called a flare or what's going on so I put it back up in my face real quick again and these two balls of light that had come out of the east are still there I have two real tall palm trees on the side of my house they're probably 60 feet high and these lights went around those trees. I mean, I instantly jumped up and knew I was looking at something. Without the night vision on, you couldn't see them. Yeah.

So, you know, what does it take to prove something like that to yourself? I didn't run out and grab the newspaper and go, oh, my God, I saw these balls of light. You're not going to believe this. These events were, I don't know, not a personal matter, but I think if you, you know, we share them with some people that are looking at you like, uh-oh. I think one of the cuckus got out of a loony bag. Absolutely. You know, so, you know, sometimes you don't, you base an opinion or a fact.

based on, hey, this is what I've learned through my years of seeing these things or something like it. Well, I think the best part about it about what you're doing, whatever, if you want to call yourself a conspiracy guy or, you know, a guy who's into all these cuckoo conspiracy theories, I mean, look at it from the point that at least you're interested in it. You know, you're interested in it. You're fascinated by it. And you're looking into it and you're curious to what it is. People just want to push it away, be like, I don't even want to think about that. Oh, yeah. Because that's,

labels me as a cuckoo bird. And listen, I told you, it kind of, for me, it's like reading a good novel. Yeah. You know,

how did you get there? What made you think this? What gave you that ideology behind that? And listen, I'll even take it with religion. I find religion very interesting. When you start looking at the belief factors of, of certain people or certain groups,

and how strong their religion is or their background or what their beliefs are. And listen, it's a belief. It's not based on any fact. You know, it's just a belief process. So, you know,

when you start looking at this and the people who don't believe in it, are, I mean, listen, I believe President Trump said that he has no, doesn't care about it one way or the other, just doesn't care. I find that hard to believe. About religion? About UFOs. About UFOs. About UFOs. He just didn't care about UFOs.

It just wasn't important. You know, listen, there's some that say John F. Kennedy was killed because he was trying to expose UFOs and aliens and that they weren't just going to let that out of that kitty out of the bag. Yeah. So, you know, again, if I look for enough information, I can actually find stories that support that theory. and there's a group of people out there, I'm sure that would be absolutely willing to die over it. Oh, I know, this is why Kennedy was killed. Yeah, of course.

So, but what makes them think that way? You know, this story coming out of Brazil. You know, how do you keep something like that tied down so well? And you would, you know, you really don't think about it. I think, what? I mean, when I first heard it was kind of ridiculous. When did you first hear about it? Two days ago.

Two days ago. Two days ago. That's when they're saying it happened? It happened. Actually, so three days, probably almost three days ago. But it's sometime. I think it happened last Wednesday, right? Yeah, exactly.

Okay. And so, you know, when I called up the guys to ask them that question, it wasn't what am I, hey, man, I got something really cool to ask you about a gun or about some sort of thermal imager or night vision or, you know, whatever. It was about UFOs. And I could hear the guys kind of chuckling in the back. So it's funny, you know, when you don't really take into consideration that it's real, I mean, listen, I have, when you talk to people who see Bigfoot, I mean, dude, these are people who not only tell you a story, but look, have fear in their eyes. I talked to a cat here in Florida who was up in the panhandling in a little area called Torre Estate Park.

It's probably one of the coolest parks in the state. It's like going to the North Carolina, but you only have to go five hours to get there. You've got little streams and running water and 80-foot bluffs and great hiking trails and just a beautiful place. And he saw an eight-foot, actually recorded it with a thermal imager

and took a video of it as a step between. two trees. One of these Bigfoot organizations got a hold of the information. That's how I ended up seeing it on YouTube. And went back and looked at the same tree where this guy said this animal was. And when this animal is standing behind the tree,

one of the first things you can notice is you can see his shoulders on each side of the tree. When they put this guy that was six foot four in front of the tree, you could only see his shoulder if he popped one side out on one side of the tree or the other. When he took these steps out to walk away, it took about two steps for this animal to be completely out of the picture, and it took him like five steps to get out of the picture.

So, you know, listen. I'm saying that thing's big. It was huge. He said it was over eight feet. You know, we start chuckling. Listen, I used to go camping out there and backpacking on, and I've never seen anything. But yet, he's got it on video.

Not like that, this guy was scared when he was telling the story. I'm not going back out there again. I know there's animals out there now that, you know, are much bigger than me, and I'm not, you know, he goes, if I'd have shot this thing, I'd just made it mad. Yeah. So, you know, again, you look at the kind of individual, where do these stories come from? Or listen, are we headed for some new point in man's existence now that something's going to be revealed to us? You got us locked down, all these weird things are going on around the planet.

What's really going on? Yeah. You know, you look at the pandemic. When you start talking about how we ended up where we're at here today, this Brazilian thing. Oh, did I tell you too, by the way, this is kind of odd. President Trump put on a travel ban today to Brazil. Oh yeah, you did mention that. You read that too?

I was talking about it. Yeah, I saw that today. Is there really a fucking trial? I got to look that up. So is that weird? I mean, again, so is it just, is it a coincidence? Is it just kind of one of those weird moments that you're like, wow, dude, check this out. All it does is fan the fire.

Right. You know, and the people who are diehards are, you know, no, let me tell you, this is why. Right. AP, Associated Press. White House imposes coronavirus travel ban to Brazil on Brazil. which is crazy and again again is that a

just a weird set of circumstances because listen everybody that's in the video that's talking about this thing that crashed here is wearing a mask so you know there's some legitimacy there but again what why Brazil all of a sudden why do they get picked out of it?

That's freaky of all the places right now with that coming up and it's funny they just now decided to do that literally 12 hours ago I think is if you look at when the message came out was 12 or 13 hours ago

so three days after this supposed year UFO crashed in Brazil, the U.S. decides to put a travel ban in place. Nobody could go there. You're not going. So again, it's just all that raises my blood pressure just a little bit. But see, it's just those little events like that that take place that you'll make you go, wait a minute.

Really? Yeah. Come on, man. I didn't, listen, when I first got, go all the way back to the first guy that asked me the question, hey, did something crash in Brazil? I mean, no, dude. Who crashes in Brazil? I mean, come on.

Their aerospace program, do they have an aerospace program? No, they don't. Right. Why would anybody even be interested in what they do? Right. So, like I say, when that first came to me, I kind of joked about it. Then when the other guy called me up and asked me, and he wasn't doing it from, hey, man.

And who is the other guy? Just my buddy over at the State Department. The State Department. His name is Terry Brandis. Okay. I can say his name. It's not a big deal. Like I say, he's not a spook.

He doesn't do anything more important. Super nice guy. But just interested in this as I am. Yeah. From a, hey, wow, check this out. And so he called me up with it. And because this guy's got a little bit more of a background. And he, again, start telling me, I just, I'm asking because I heard some hoopla about it.

I'm like, well, what the hell? You're at the state department. Who cares about? Right. Well, I mean, listen, if it's a real UFO, we have a lot to say about it. So start to peel the layers of the onion back. Hey, let me just ask somebody. I call my buddies up.

You know, we're having a five minute. Listen, these guys aren't predest. We, I've never even had a UFO conversation with him about this. Okay. So it's not part of, again, who we are. We're all dealing in weapon platforms and guns and explosives. Yeah, yeah. That's very, very cool.

And, you know, we all love that. These guys are all knuckle-draggers. They're some of the best warriors in the world. This was the last thing that anybody thought I was going to call him, ask him about. Which kind of brings more validity to the story because then he goes back, and he just doesn't ask his team within Gara. He goes back to Bope. And not only does Bope know about it, they got a perimeter set up around this place and everything's locked down. I'm like, well, wait a minute.

And Bope is communicating back to him, basically just admitting to him. Yeah, a UFO landed. He's one of them. He was a commander within Gara. So these guys, it's like everything else. Listen, if you were, if you're part of the end, if you're part of the no, then you're part of the no. I don't mind sharing tactics with you on how to assault an airplane if I know we're on the same team. If we're not on the same team, you're never going to know.

I know, even know how to an assault a plane. So this is kind of that same format dealing with guys who are like-minded. Again, these guys did it for 25. One guy was 25 years. The other guy was 29 years. years with Garah. So they know all the top guys with Bope and Bop, all these guys. It's, you know, when they went there just to give an example and to make you understand

what civil rights were all about, I had trained a bunch of them here on, it's called a 40 Mike Mike. They're these little, um, they shoot wooden batons. And they're basically for crowd control. And so they're, I'm showing there's, we've got about a hundred guys here that I'm instructing. They're going to go back and show 98,000 guys how to use these. Wow.

So, and they're getting ready to have the, what's the big soccer game they have every year? The World Cup? The World Cup was taking place in Brazil. And they were getting ready to train all their guys up. So they came over here and- Oh, yeah, those fuckers get crazy during the World Cup. Oh, dude, they get real crazy. Well, they were mad too because they were spending all this money on the World Cup

and the people believe that that money goes to us that should be coming back here to the States and not being used for this World Cup event that's coming back. We put all these millions and millions of dollars out of here. So they were mad. And what they do is they set up three rings of security to make sure they, keep the tourists that are there to see the games safe. And so they go through this whole process, get it set up. Well, I'm showing these guys how to use these, the wooden batons.

And what you're supposed to do is kind of shoot the ground and you skip them off and they hit you across the shins. And they make you change your mind of wanting to come over and riot. Well, what they would do was they would actually shoot the guys like in the ribs and on the face and kill them. Oh, shit. Drag their bodies off. And I'm like, dude, what are you doing?

He's like, hey, this is not America. You don't have civil rights here. we tell you to get out of here, you don't get out of here, whatever happens to you, happens to you, and you're on your own. Damn. And that's the way it goes. So, Garra is that first group, and then Boep is above them with regards to, if the bobs coming to get you, if Bob rolls in, it's going to be a bad day.

They're not there to talk anybody out of the building. They're probably going to level the building with you in it. So, you know, again, taking into consideration, that's really what we talk about. Dude, these guys were blown away. How do you know in the U.S. that we've got an event taking place here and both and we don't know that

and I said listen I got lucky because it was just a kind of a queer coincidence of how we ended up here but for you guys to confirm it I said has anybody released any information he goes I'm not finding any more other than hey man we got something here it went down the night before we have a security perimeter set up you know

I'm sure that I mean the first thing I would think about is radioactivity so I'm obviously don't want to run into any place that's going to be you know hot and be like, oh, how did Hanksdebeck die? Yeah. So, but again, it's to me, it's one of these events that take place that can't be ignored. Do you think we'll hear more news about it or? I would say we would almost have to.

Somebody is going to pull the plug on this and want to be the first guy to talk about it. This is the video right there. So is this the right video? This is the video of the lights over Brazil. Oh, lights. The crash, right? Yeah. Now, like I say, there's several different ones.

There's a bunch of different videos. I think I sent you, actually sent them to your phone. Yeah, you did. And, all right, now this looks like... This is the video that's embedded in the Vice article. Okay. Now, see, the other one shows these red lights. It's just very...

I told you, it looks like a movie. Yeah. It's really... Hang on here. It's really strange with regards to the actual... Yeah, the thing is, I don't know if you can just trust some random meme page. on Instagram.

I'll pull up that video real quick. And listen, I think too, and I forgot to even bring up. Do you remember that day? This is the video you sent me right here. There it is right there. That's the one right there. Now, I haven't seen this video anywhere else.

Now, the police are going crazy. You can see everything that's going on. I know there's no sound on. This is sideline culture on Instagram. So again, even if you say, okay, that's not a UFO. All right, fine. What are you looking at? What are those lights on the sky?

Are those drones? So this looks similar to what? on the vice article this part right here. That first thing with that thing, that big, like, hula hoop looking thing, I haven't seen that anywhere else. No. I mean, even, like I say, this is obviously, this is definitely in Brazil. I mean, they're speaking Portuguese.

Yeah. I don't understand what they're saying. I actually probably need to go down and talk to the guys that are here. And what are they saying? Are they saying, look at that thing in the sky. Look at that thing in the sky. Yeah. The other one I had actually shows him watching rockets.

gets off and the rockets are going off. Yeah, you can hear explosions going off. Yeah, and it's a defensive measure. But you're like, well, what are the Brazilians? Who are they war with? What are they shooting those things off for? So then it gets it. This is the clip that shows the part of the map that's whited out or cut out. And like I say, it's compelling.

It's just very compelling. And, you know, you start looking again. You take these little events here, take that event there. And all of a sudden they end up somewhere like this. and can you imagine what will happen if there's actually a vehicle here that's crashed and they come out to the world and say hey listen we actually got it and oh by the way here's the bodies

you think they would actually do that though I don't think so no I don't think so but at the same token you know you kind of get caught with your pants down like hey what are you doing there with your pants down you know oh I'm not doing anything well it looks to me like you are and so when you take into consideration you know again this is kind of a third world country

they really don't right you know I mean poor people live in shacks on the side of hills. And poor people here in this country have homes they live in. If they are like some sort of hypothetically extraterrestrial beings and they flew a ship from billions of light years away and then as soon as we get here we start shooting rockets at the ship. I mean, that's got to be the equivalent of us flying to some remote jungle in Africa and having a bunch of monkeys throw rocks at us.

Oh, listen, if you go in and look at, I want to say it's in Los Angeles, 1940-ish. There's an event that takes place there. Well, they actually shoot 1,400 rounds at this thing up in the sky. Oh, my God. And people were actually killed on the ground because of the shrapnel that came down and hit on the ground. But people's homes were hit. This was during the Japanese war.

And so they assumed that this was the Japanese that were coming here. But they shot this thing. There's lights on it. They shot it for, I don't know, well over an hour. I never dropped it. So, you know, it's called, I want to say it's called the attack in L.A. I can't think of the name of it now. But it was a real event that took place over L.A.

Where they actually shot... What year? I want to say this was during the Japanese work because they thought these were Japanese... Okay. And they never knew what it was? Never knew what it was. Never came out and said they got videos, you know, pictures of it.

They put every view, every... They have these positions that were set up with all these different lights. So that if you came in as a bomber, they could put the lights on you, you know, at night, and you can see where the guy was. So the bombers fly real high. they fly real slow. And so they would use these big lights. Well, they've got every light turned on on this thing.

And it's lit up. You can see something in the center, but no one's willing to say it's a UFO. They're not willing to say it's a spacecraft of any sort. They just keep acting like, well, we really don't know what it is. I'm like, well, if you shot out of it for an hour and did knock it out of the sky and it disappeared later, I would say it's probably an extraterrestrial vehicle of some sort. It's obviously not from this planet because we've not being able to shoot it down like that. But I think we're just a warring community anyway.

I think we're, again, if you go back and look at the gods, if you look at the Greeks and how they wrestled, everything was based on your physical strength and being a better person. You know, is that alive and well today? Sure it is. I mean, look at football, look at hockey, look at the strong man contest, look at what men do to be men today.

Politics. It's all about power. Yeah. You know, all about power. And how do you emulate that power? What do you like about it? Some people like it because it's money. Other guys like it because it's a position of authority.

You know, you put those two together, especially if whatever technologies you could get from a UFO, you would want to be able to use to your best military. Right. You know. Yes, that's another thing Bob Lazar talked about was that, like in area S4 where they were studying like the propulsion of these spacecraft and how they worked, you know,

they kept everything compartmentalized. every different person that was working on a different part of one of those crafts, they kept all that information compartmentalized within those people. They didn't tell them anything extra that they didn't need to know. So if your deal was this little widget, that's all you did was that one little bit, and you had no idea what else was connected to this widget. Right. And he mentions that there was hangers, adjacent hangers next to him, like lined up with different craft in them.

They didn't even let them go look at different spacecraft. out. And one of the things he talks about is that they don't want this getting out mainly because they don't want another country to learn about it and try to use it like to weaponize it against other countries. It all comes back to people just fighting each other for power and dominance. Absolutely. Look at Space Force.

Space Force has just been united here in the U.S. They actually just started drafting people, not drafting people, but taking volunteers into Space Force. I heard stories four and five years ago. That's the programs that Reagan put on back in the early 80s, which were supposed to be the system that was set up there to knock out other nuclear devices that were launched at you through space. And instead, these guys were dropping titanium rods out of vehicles that were up in space.

And when you take a titanium rod and you drop it through space and it comes in supersonic speed, the damage that it does, there's no explosion. There's no explosion. It looks like somebody under the earth pushed up a big breath of air. Yeah. But it's unbelievable. So if you go back to the 80s and we were doing that, and I still think they're doing that today. When you look at a lot of these flights that are coming now up on NASA with these new rockets are launching up, I think they're sending up titanium rods. And I think they keep these things fed. They can send these things anywhere within 30 minutes. We no longer have missile silos anymore. All the missile siloes have been decommissioned.

Yeah. Why? We have better means now. We can be anywhere. You can't hide deep enough from a titanium rod coming in out of space. And they went to titanium rods is the same thing they use with Abrams tanks. They don't use an explosive device. They shoot it with actually a titanium rod comes out.

Who? Who is actually using those rods? The U.S. is right now with Abrams tanks. We use those on this today. It shoots out a titanium rod? Titanium rod has a flichette. A flichet goes on both sides of it to fill the barrel of it. actually fill the barrel up with this titanium rod in the center of it.

And as the rocket, or as the flichette is shot out the front, they peel away, and just this titanium rod comes out the front. And where does it come from? Space? No, this is on the tanks, the Abrams tanks that are here now. They shoot them on the ground. So when you shoot another tank, all you want to do is kill the guys inside. So this titanium rod will pierce right to do that skin and go inside and kill all the guys inside.

Jesus. Very little explosion. Other than, you know, if you have a cook-off of explosive because you've got all the charges inside the tank and those things get hit they'll go off but there's no explosion and so when they started realizing uh the the capability of a titanium rod shot at these unbelievable speeds they see wow look at the danger look at the damage that's done and there's no real explosion there's no pressure how does that work what it's just it's just fast exactly you're coming in at supersonic speeds so if if what the the guy that showed me these originally on youtube they were

called tunnel bombs. And he goes, I said, so why are they call him tunnel bombs? He goes, we didn't know what else to call them. We didn't, we, they were, this was, these guys were supposed to be dropping these in Syria. You know, the war was kind of going on. Yeah. He kind of gotten real crazy.

And this guy was, he was definitely with the CIA. And he was telling me how they were dropping these titanium rods. And I initially looked at it like, you know, what part of the CIA are you actually with? So, and, uh, Dave was able, Dave had the authority to move. satellites. So he's a pretty reliable source. And then when he showed me the videos, I'm like, dude, that's pretty impressive. It would literally take out a whole block of this city with no explosion. No explosion. He goes, you can't hide deep enough. You can't get into a mountain deep enough

that we can't come get you. We can be anywhere with these things in 30 minutes. Yeah. So now again, conspiracy. People talk about it. People don't talk about it. Is it real? You know, when you talk about the astronauts and they see alien beings on the moon or they talk about through project disclosure um one of the guys that's in project disclosure was a navy photographer he got picked up and had matter of fact he had a security clearance that i actually if i wouldn't have saw all these people sitting with him and he talked about the security clearance he had i thought it was a joke because i'd never heard of it but he got pulled into a room and he said that uh i just literally just started. And he goes, I thought my job primarily was to look at satellite footage

and kind of make a determination as to what the building we were looking at, what that building did. And he goes, the guy that was in the room while I was there said, hey, come check this out. These are buildings on the dark side of the moon. And he said, I was like, what? And he goes, yeah, check these. These are buildings on the dark side of the moon, and they're not ours. So when you take a moment, you step back and you go, wait a minute. Come on, man. But these aren't just regular people. This isn't just a regular guy. He's here with, matter of fact, the official that was with this group also was he sat on a government board out of Canada. And when they brought him to the forefront, he was the first politician of real authority that came out and said, UFOs are as real as the planes to fly over

your house. The U.S. has been dealing with a group called the Tall Whites for the last 15 years. And then he went down this, this whole thing, and you're like, wait a minute, Tall whites, what the hell is that? The other guy came out and said, we've been in touch with 56 different races of alien beings. Holy shit. These, again, just aren't regular guys. These are guys with tremendous backgrounds.

They come from security clearance and DIA and NSA officials that are all part of Project Disclosure. And they wanted to come out. They were actually telling Congress, hey, we want you to come out now and put this big meeting on so these guys can come out. But the problem is if you come out too quick, and you are being on the payroll because you're retired military guy,

we're going to come arrest you now. You've just given up secrets. Or we don't want to confirm that what you were saying is true, but we're going to go and screw around with your paying now. So now you're not going to get paid. We're going to create this problem. So a lot of these guys were really sticking it way out there. If you go to Project Disclosure, you can go to the website and look at it.

Like I say, Greer is a great guy's factual. Stephen Greer, yeah. What I like is, you know, as a doctor, and he even comes out and talks about this. He goes, as a doctor and my buddy here's in a lawyer, he goes, we're under oath. We can't lie. If I lie, I could lose my license. The website is Seriousdisclosure.com, S-I-R-I-U-S. Highly recommend it.

Disclosure.com. Again, dealing with educated men who come from great backgrounds, from the military, from science professionals, from the airlines industry. And when you hear the stories, you're going to scratch your head. You're going to be like, what? It sounds so unbelievable.

But yet, these guys have no reason to lie. The whole idea was about Project Disclosure. disclosure and getting the information out to the American people. So doing so becomes a challenge in itself because everything just sounds crazy. You would think if the government was going to sort of let this stuff out of the bag, they definitely wouldn't do it all at once. They would do it slowly. They would slowly let the drip.

You know what I mean? Sure. The Pentagon would declassify the videos. Then they would slowly sort of release more things. So people just didn't. And if you look to the, I think the CIA just released 13 million. in pages. So this information is being leaked now. You know, here we are having this conversation about it. Yeah. So when you start to take into consideration, you know, again, who knows about

Brazil right now? I mean, I haven't heard anybody really talk about it one way or the other. It's amazing to me that nobody has really talked about it one way or the other. But I think, again, as a country, I know the U.S. would, if we sat on it, let's just say 1947 actually happened in New Mexico and there was a crash, they would most definitely send us. that information and not want to share it with anybody because of the the Roswell the Roswell so they said it was they said it was like a weather balloon right they came out after the fact they came out one day and said hey now keep in mind out in the desert there this was the 509th bombing group they were the only group that was authorized to carry nuclear bombs they come out one day and said oh we found a UFO

and they come out two days later and go holy shit we made a mistake it was a weather balloon. I know we're the only qualified nuclear group to carry bombs, and we didn't know the difference between a spacecraft and a weather balloon. So that right off the get-go You fucking liars.

Made everybody think, well, wait a minute. And then again, now the story starts to come out all these years later. You have the children of the officers that were there. One of the guys, he's a dentist today. His father brought him home pieces of it. And he said, my dad actually came and got me out of bed

and said, come out here, look at this. this is from another world. He goes, I sat there as a 12-year-old little boy holding these eye rods, these eye beams in my hand and looking all these different signatures and different designs that were on the metal. And he said that I couldn't believe it. And he goes, then my dad came back the next day

and said, hey, forget all about this, forget you ever saw these, don't tell anybody about this. Get this out of the house now. So, you know, then the individual, and again, I'm kind of drawing a blank with his name now, that actually came out with his report and was seen in Wright-Patterson Air Force now down over the...

Oh, I guess I was wrong. It was just a weather balloon. Before, on his deathbed, he came back and said, it wasn't a day. They made me say that at the time, but I'm on my deathbed now. There's nothing they can do to me. They were extraterrestrial beings. There were other people that saw them.

They were small. This is what took place. And there was actually more than one crash. He even went to say as far as what brought them down was radar, because they were working our new radar systems at the time. And he goes, we brought it down accidentally, but we didn't even know what we were doing. So it was kind of some more cool information.

You're like, wait a minute. Really? I didn't remember hearing that portion of the story. Yeah, that connects to what Bob Lazar was saying in his, when they said that he talks about the aircraft that he was, the spacecraft that he was working on. He said it was really small in there. He's like it would be for someone who was like four foot tall, five foot tall, like super small person.

And they were genderless. They were like bodies that, if I remember correctly, it was almost like they were just cadavers that were just sent there. They weren't actual like living organisms. They were kind of just like drone. And there's more people saying that today. These aren't real entities. They're just,

they're grown. They're something like a robot. They're sent here because they don't have to feed them. Let's not have big issues in space travel. There's no place to piss and shit on one of those aircrafts. These things are genderless. What do you put the food? To travel billions of light years, you know, exactly.

Where do you put all the food? have the same challenges today. How do you maintain your health? How do you maintain bone mass and muscle mass and a no weight? How do you procreate in space? You can't. Because everything you're trying to do to have a baby is going to be counteractive and every force has an equal and opposite force. So you're going to be all over the place. Yeah. Um, listening to him talk about go to Mars. You know, he said, one thing we've looked at is we can take your, your, um, your poo and you can put it in a bag and put it on the sides of the, the spacecraft because it'll actually block out the harmful rays of radiation.

So they said, that's one thing you can do with it. I'm like, well, that's a good. But where's the food coming from? Right. How are you going to live for six, eight, nine months on that trip out there? Yeah. How do you maintain that muscle mass? How do you maintain bone density?

Right. By the time they said they'd get there, your body wouldn't be able to support the muscle. The bones would be so soft. Right. So, you know, are we going today, tomorrow, back to the moon, whatever? You know, did we go to the moon? Again, opens up a whole other can of worms. Yeah, definitely.

But, you know, when you look back now, they've got a new process. Well, they had a new program in D.C. called ATIP. And it was, let me see here. What did it stand for? It stands for Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification. And the guy that ran the program was a retired veteran from the Marine Corps and got involved with it. And his name was Louis Alizondo. And he ran this for, I want to say, from 2009 to 2014.

he's also the ones that was responsible for releasing the UFO that the navies had recorded. So he's the one that actually got the information to release those videos through the Pentagon. And he worked on this atyp for all those years trying to approve or disprove the fact that these vehicles, these UFOs, these extraterrestrial beings were actually coming to the planet.

Right. And so he's, you can find him now online as well as a host of information with regards to black people, market or black projects across the board. Yeah. Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program A-T-I-T-P, A-A-T-I-P, Secret Investigatory Effort funded by the United States Government to study unidentified flying objects or unexplained aerial phenomena, UAP.

The program was first made public on December 16, 2017. The program began in 2007, with funding of $22 million over five years. until the available appropriations were ended in 2012. And hardly anybody knew who about A-TIP. They knew who they were, what their background. I've never heard of that before. But again, very cool. It's crazy how much money they,

the small amount of money that they dedicate to space research and the study, the science that goes into outer space. I think it's like something around like five years ago, it was around $2 to $3 million a year was what the government was allocating to, outer space research or this kind of stuff, A-Tip stuff, when

the yearly cost to run to McDonald's is something like $22 million. Like I see, it's crazy. This is what kind of, again, when I have these conversations with some of the moon, you know, hey, we went to the moon, we did go to the moon. Like, listen, why are we going back? You know, it's a pretty big deal.

If we had been to the moon already, why aren't we back there now? Oh, the budgets. But I'm like, listen, dude, the space force has taken off. There's more talk now. than ever than I've been alive on what's really going on in deep space. Right. I would think we'd already have a base on the moon if we had the capabilities to go there.

Or shouldn't we have, or do we, I mean, I don't know if we do or not, or shouldn't we be spending money on developing ways to mitigate the threat of an eight-mile-wide asteroid from hitting the Earth? And they're looking at that now. Because we can see them when they're coming. We know when they're coming. Absolutely. If we know one's going to, there should be developing or spending more money. on that kind of research.

And listen, they are. Some of the challenges now is, well, how do you make this thing go away? Like Armageddon, right? Do you, yeah, do you land on it and drill some holes and put some rockets on it and try to push it? Yeah. Do you use a microwave energy and create enough of a push that you can deflect it? Some other guys talk about, hey, we'll shoot missiles at it.

Well, then if you break it up into pieces, is it still all coming from us in pieces? Yeah, I mean, so you've taken an item that's, you know, 10 tons, and now it's like a buckshot of 10 tons coming in. to the U.S. Yeah. Or hit the world. So, right.

Taking into consideration some of the things we can and can't do, you know, did we go to the moon? If you go and look at some of the different anti-moon people, they call them flat earthers, that don't believe that we went to the moon. It's compelling. When you look at the lunar rover and you look how close the rocket nozzle sits to the ground, you go, why is there a blast crater into that thing? I would think, you know, and then the people who defend it come out and say,

Well, it was, it's an adjustable descent motor. You can go from 10,000 pounds to 3,000 pounds. I'm like, well, dude, it's still 3,000 pounds. It would move a lot of dirt. And there's no mark there. And it's like powder sand. And, you know, the guys who are the believers will come back and immediately hammering you in the ground.

And I'm asking a question. I'm like, listen, I'm just interested. Apollo 11 and one of the lunar landers looks like the back of the lunar lander has these aluminum slats that were put there. They were kind of put in with maybe four rivets. It doesn't look like this thing. go 4,000 miles an hour and land on the moon. There's definitely so many questions about the moon landing that outweigh the proof that we did land on the moon, right?

I mean, the only proof that we have is what a video? Well, the argument is this. How can, how many millions and millions of engineers and people who were took part of the program? How could all these people be wrong? Right. And I'm like, well, listen, if you look at, there was a movie called Capricorn One that dealt with, this is back in the early 80s that dealt with landing on, they were going to go to Mars. and before they took off, they realized they couldn't go to Mars.

So they decided to make a fake landing in Mars. There is talk of, he's another, he actually made the movie 2001 Space Odyssey. Oh, the director. The director. He actually was given four of the ten cameras. Carl Zeiss made the cameras for the astronauts to take into space. And these were very specific cameras, lenses, that could shoot in zero light.

You can have a candlelight, and you can shoot in that. Well, for some reason, NASA gave Stanley Kubrick, is his name. Stanley Kubrick, yeah. They gave Stanley Kubrick four of those cameras, or four of those lenses. What?

Yeah, why? The 10 that you made, you gave four to Stanley. Why would you give four of those to Stanley Kubrick? That doesn't make any sense to me. Oh, by the way, NASA was with him the whole time that he made his movies about the moon landings. They were, so what is it? They were, apparently there were some NASA consultants or NASA engineers.

Somebody who worked at NASA was on set during the production of Space Odyssey. The whole show. The whole event. And of course, now the believers will tell you well, they were there because they were giving Stanley Kubrick advice. When the people from Stanley Kubrick will tell you, they were asking questions on, hey, how did you make that meteor right strike in the dirt? Wait, did that movie come out before the moon landing? I don't, I'm not. I came out after. It was like 19.

It came out after. Yeah, I want to say like in the early 70, 71, 72. Well, if it was after the moon landing, then why would they be trying to, why would NASA be trying to look for information from Stanley Kubrick if it was after? Well, they were, they, the story goes that NASA was impressed because their, their guy who doll the handle their special effects. What he did was he went out and got, it's called Portland Cement. And it's like a real fine powder. And he made the setting with this Portland cement. he would go up 40 feet and drop a ball bearing down,

and it would make the strike that looked just like an asteroid had strike the surface of the moon. Yeah. So he did that to give this whole moon-like effect, and the NASA folks were like, wow. Dude, that really looks real. Hey, I got an idea. Maybe we can't go to the moon.

We can sure make it look like we went to the moon. So, but again, so the question for me was, well, why would you even give the camera? But the moon video was already out at this point. The moon landing was, already out? Yes. Okay.

Yes, they are. Okay. Yes, they are. But now these, remember, and listen, maybe, maybe this movie was made back in 68. So just, and the, and Apollo 11 went in 69. Yes. You'd probably look it up, but there was, they definitely went there during the same period. 68.

Oh, 68. Oh, 68. 2001 Space Odyssey was released in 68. Okay. And Apollo 11. I think it went 69. 69. I think it was 169 that they went there?

Yeah, 69. 69. It just had some strange, you know, there was some strange, listen, nobody wants to think that the U.S. government is lying about going to the moon. Oh, it's impossible. You can't. Well, I mean, why are we having this conversation then? If it's impossible, we can't.

Right. Why was Stanley? The moon landing was one year after space odyssey came out. Yep. So that makes sense why they were there because they were trying to, they were trying to mimic or make it look like. To figure out how they did it so well. Bingo.

So it's, I mean, listen, and the guys, that's not true. But, yeah, I'm like, Well, listen, why would NASA, out of these 10 lenses that were made, give Stanley Kubrick four of them? It doesn't make sense to me. They want to use the same fucking lenses. They wanted to make the same sort of effect. That's exactly right.

It's interesting. You know, when you start looking at it, and then when you start, you know, I started looking at like the astronaut uniform, the spacesuits they wore. Yeah. The suits weigh about 475 pounds. Oh, okay. Astronaut suits?

The ones they used on the walk on the moon with? Holy shit. Okay. Now that, again, kind of poses a question. I go, well, damn, that's a lot of weight. Well, the, the atmosphere there is one-sixth of what it is here on the planet. So, believe it or not, that's with the astronaut in it. By the way, the suit's actually like 180 pounds.

And if you take 180-pound man, put him in there, you're close to 500 pounds. And when they started looking at the bigger picture, because they said, listen, the man's on the planet, he only weighs 60 pounds when he's on the moon's surface. Well, if you start looking at him real hard and you look at the size. size of the entrance into the lunar lander. You're like, can that guy really get in the lunar lander in that thing? Can he get out of the lunar lander in that thing? What's the, what's the uniform made of? Well, it's got a lot of Kevalar and Mylar in it.

Well, I know Kevlar is heavy. Yeah. Um, dude, so I have had a 60 pound. We did a backpack through the Appalachian Mountains. And I carried a 60 pound back through the mountains. Right. What's that feel like? That's a heavy pack.

Yeah. So when you listen to these astronauts talk on their, as they're going around collecting rocks, it's, you know, they're singing on the moon. And I'm having a great time out here. Man, I'm not tired at all. I can just do this all day long. I don't hear anybody breathing hard. And there's some references to heart rates going up.

But listen, when you're working hard, you're going to be sweating. You're going to hear that noise. And you just don't hear that. So, again, it's kind of an odd duck thing. Like, really? I would think you guys would be huffing and a puffing a little bit more up there. How did you keep the lunar lander, you know, it was almost 400, what, 375 degrees when the sun was out? And so you got to keep the air conditioning on there.

Lunderlander for a long time. Where's that fuel coming from? It was from a battery. You know, you're like, well, let me look at the look on batteries and how good do we have batteries back in the 60s. Yeah. You know, they weren't very good in the 80s. Or that small.

Just, and they couldn't hold of charge. So, again, you start kind of looking at the ducks. And you're like, well, you know, if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, is it really a duck or is there something else? Because I'm going to go with it. It's the fact that it's a duck. But, you know, again, taking into consideration, you look at everything that's going on. And today, yeah, that thing looks so flimsy.

It looks like it's made a tinfoil. Dude, and there's actually a video where a guy comes out and kind of makes fun of the whole thing. And I'm looking, I'm like, he makes sense. Yeah. And the believers, man, will come out and just blister you with regard to, I can't believe you're un-American and blah, blah. And believe it or not, a lot of these guys are even from Brazil. Is it considered un-American to question the moon landing? The people I talk to you said it was.

Now, the funny part was that some of these, most these guys were from the UK. I'm like, so why do you guys have a dog of this fight? What do you care if you went to the moon or not? Well, it's ridiculous that you would think that you didn't. No, you didn't answer my question. question. Why does somebody in the UK care about what we did on our space program? It's kind of bizarre to me. I would think you'd be, you know, one of the guys maybe at NASA who's a, who retired from there. And I'm going to tell you why it's not fake. Yeah. Well, it all goes back

to that thing. You know, people just want to look for things that reinforce what they're, what they already believe or what they're already, what they're already looking for. For, I agree. I think that's exactly what happens. But, you know, again, when you take into consideration, these events from A-Tip or Skinwalker Ranch or the U.S. Navy that are taking place. What do they say, listen, if you talk to somebody, usually they've got kind of a story that's kind of paranormal that may incorporate something else. Like, I've never seen a ghost. I don't know if I necessarily believe in them or not, but I haven't seen him.

I have other friends of mine who've seen them and said, oh, my God, you know, scariest thing I ever saw in my life, most terrified I've ever been. And I try to figure, why haven't I seen one? Why? What's the difference? You're not taking the right kind of drugs. That's the problem. I'd do it. But you know, you look at these different events that take place. And like I say, I think that this event in Brazil, if it's true, I, at this point, don't have any reason not to believe that it is true.

Yeah, I can't wait to see more about that. Yeah, to see really what stands up. I mean, is this all part of this, you know, this lockdown that we're going through? Is this somebody know this was going to happen? Right. Because even some of these groups that were talking about red flags and the government saying, oh, they're going to tell everybody that the UFOs are attacking us. And I kind of really chuckled at that.

I'm like, well, do, that's, I mean, that's a long reach. But hey, listen, maybe, this was five or six months ago. So when this event happened, I haven't told them about the Brazilian thing at all because they're like, see, I told you what was going on. So I've kind of kept it from them. But listen, at some point, if it's true, I have at this point no reason to believe that it's not. It's going to come out. It's going to be, it will be something worth of talking.

about and whether they say it was a UFO or they say something crashed there and the military took it away is still going to create enough of a of a mystery that people are going to want to know yeah you know you've got people there that are trying to fly drones over the area they're trying to take hang gliders in and see where it came through the trees and some of these guys were talking about doing this I saw I heard that yeah I heard guys talking about do paragliding around there around it so again like I say something definitely took place You know, it's just how far do you want to believe? And when I, again, when I started asking the questions to kind of turn over the rocks, I did it from a perspective of, look, I know you guys are busy right now. But I got a question to ask. And, you know, half of me wanted to believe, oh, this is kind of cool. Yeah. You know, the other half, the reality is I said, well, wait a minute.

You know, how real is this? And what are they really going to tell you? Yeah. Even when, it's funny, after the fact, the former chief of police there in Brazil, I sent him a quick, hey dude, I figured this out. Boe told me that they're there on site now with it locked down. And he replied back to me, Mike, I didn't even know a UFO crashed here. Damn.

So, and again, like I say, man, he's retired. He still lives in Rio, but I would figure that everybody would know. And maybe he did know. He just wouldn't tell me that's why I didn't reply back to you right off to get, yeah. Because he didn't reply back to me until I told him that I got the information from the guys of Boepe. And then he was like, I didn't even know he? UFO crashed here. It wasn't like, no, a UFO didn't crash here. Let me just go ahead and correct this whole situation. It was, I didn't know this event even happened. Yeah. So I've kept it on

my phone. I go back and look at every now. Even the day after I had talked to the group here, I called the Supreme Leader and I said, hey, you pull my leg the other day, are you being serious, dude? He's like, why would I, Mike, I'm telling you, we were just sitting here talking about it. It's, it's that amazing. And I'm like, so you are being absolutely, you're not pulling my leg. He's no, dude, I'm not pulling your leg. It's, like, it's, like, it's, whatever took place there, it's real, and it's going on right now. So, again, it's just such a big news. Are we approaching that perspective in our life now?

I mean, it supposedly happened so many times with these crashes around the world. They had one crash in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania that took place in, I want to say, the late 70s out in the woods there, and everybody kind of played it off and, oh, no, it didn't really happen, yet you meet or you watch a show that has the mayor on there. And he goes, yeah, not only that. I brought the preacher with me because they thought it was a plane that went down. And they wanted me to bring the preacher out there to read everybody their last will and rights. But we got out there and it was some kind of bell-looking object that we'd never seen before.

So now you're like, what? What are scratching your head going like, what are we talking about here? Right. So it's like I say, I think the phenomena is going to get bigger. Yeah. I think that obviously there's got to be some truth to it. I can't believe that all these people are. Right, there's something going on.

There has to be. For sure. There has to be. Brazilian press reports that no one reported these objects to local authorities allegations of loud explosions and gunshots. The Brazilian military

cordon what does that mean? Cordoning? Coordining. Military cordoning off the area and army personnel arresting anyone trying to get close to this supposed crash site

have taken over Twitter and the subreddit aliens. I mean, you know, again, here we go. We've locked it down. down. We don't know why we've locked it down. And if you get near the place, by the way, we're going to arrest you. So it makes you scratch your head. So something is obviously going on there. And whether it's, you know. And why do these aliens keep going to Brazil? I think it's probably a great place to go away. South America in general. It's those Brazilian wax jobs at the

the girls. Yeah. But again, you know, you wouldn't think about it. You would think, are you kidding me? Why Brazil? Of all the places? You know, why Alaska? Is it so, is it so, is It's so desolate there that you can come and go as you want. I mean, there's places on the map now on Google Earth where they say in Antarctica, there's an opening where these things are coming and going every day. Hmm. And that... Oh, yeah, there's theories that there's aliens flying around on laser beams inside the earth.

Oh, yeah. So, I mean, again, whether it's true or it's not true, there's always a little bit of truth to some of it. And if you go back and you start kind of like, okay, well, let's talk about the Egyptian and say, and let's go back to the Mayans. let's go back to these guys who were cutting these stones and moving rock and doing things that were, you know, I know you weren't doing with a hammer and a chisel, especially a brass one. Yeah. You know, so is it a UFO that taught you how to this?

You look at the pyramids, and when you go inside the pyramids, you see all this beautiful artwork that's in there. Well, who the hell was holding the flashlight? Yeah. What were they using to light the inside of those rooms? I mean, it wasn't a flame because you did a black soot all over the ceiling, and not of that. Two of the guys I spoke to that were, both of these guys were archaeologists, and they had worked at the pyramids. They said the problem with the pyramids is just like a cave that in certain areas there's only limited oxygen. So you go back in these real dark, tight areas, and they have to bring a thing to make sure the oxygen stays at particular levels.

So he goes, you couldn't burn a fire inside that, you know, to try to use it as light to put, but you just wouldn't have the oxygen contact there to be able to do that. Right. Fire wouldn't burn. Yeah. So you're like, well, okay, I never thought about that. That's kind of interesting. But again, so it leads you right back to the whole alien story again and trying to figure out what is really going on.

How do these stones get made? Why are they so perfect in their engineering? How do they know this technology? And then you get the Egyptologist or the ancient alien theologians that come out and say, hey, listen, this is really what took place. But it makes you scratch your head. And you think, well, listen, something from a phenomenal is going on. because you wouldn't be able to do these events or to look at these things

or to come up with the ideology that you're coming with today. Right. You know, who thinks about that shit. So. Shit is wild. Something's going on. Just amazing. Absolutely.

Something's going on, man. Like I say, Project Disclosures got it going on. Okay. If you look at, if you guys look up the Lewis Alessando, that's E-L-I-Z-O-F-N-D-O, formerly with A-T-T-T-E-T-E-T-O. Okay. Yeah. It was an advanced aerospace threat identification program. Really, really cool.

lots of information. Yeah, Louis Alizondo. Now he's part of To the Stars, TTSA, company co-funded by Tom DeLong. What? From Blink 182? Blink 182. He's in a UFO?

Oh, dude, he is big. Matter of fact, he came out and said, I want to thank everybody for now allowing this stuff from the Navy to come out because it's proved me right. Yeah. Wow. He's been like that for a long time, actually. And he's actually said some people have come to his house

and told him to shut his mouth about some of the things he was saying in the past. Really? It was kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And he goes, just because I'm this guy who's got a microphone that everybody kind of listened to.

Yeah. But they came to my house and said, hey, you should be talking about things. You don't know anything about. He's like, well, I guess I proved you guys wrong because obviously here we are having this conversation now. But that's amazing. Yeah, that's crazy. Wild shit.

Unbelievable, man. So I'll tell you another story real quick. I'm at my house. I live out by the beach. And I come out one night to take a look down by the water. and I see this red light in the sky. And I'm kind of staring at it because it's kind of unusual. It's out over the water.

And it looks like the same type of red light you would see in a tower, in these blinking towers or radio towers? Yeah, yeah. And so as I'm kind of watching it, all of a sudden, it turns from red to almost like a star color. And I noticed then like, oh, damn, there's three more. They're just like that. I wonder if they're the same thing.

Well, then another one pops up. And all in all, 18 of them popped up. And as I'm trying to watch these things and trying to figure, what the hell am I looking at here? here. I went in the house and got my night vision real quick. Came back outside and I'm watching these things and these what looked like a red long light turned into a white light that hung there for about 20 minutes to look like a star

and they started moving down the beach. But when they moved down the beach, they actually turned into, you ever see these skin colored synthetic gloves you put on the rubber gloves? Like a latex club. Latex love. It was that color. but and they were kind of clear and on the outside of it had a light

that went around it and without the night vision on you couldn't see this and one all of them except one went down the beach this actually came over and went over our house could be one of those Chinese lanterns

that people do for like memorials dude you know I mean like for Shane Lee or for space yeah and listen I tried to think of everything but the strange thing was you couldn't see it without the night vision on what it looked like was it looked like a

dirty cotton ball in the air. Well, maybe because it was so far away, the light was dim, but when you put the night vision on it, it intensifies the light, so you could actually see it better from where you are. But the problem is this thing was like right over my house. Okay. So it wasn't like a long, far distance away. And so I'm looking at this trying to figure,

what the hell am I looking at here? I mean, so it's just one of those kind of odd events. I mean, listen, we went to, me and Danny went to a range to go do some shooting. In Florida. In Florida. Yeah. Yeah, what was that town called?

Um, this is over by, it's in Brandon. I can't think of the little town, the little community we're in. But it's, it's literally out in the middle of nowhere. It's in the middle of nowhere. We're shooting guns out here. It's near, I want to say it's near like Bartow area. Yeah, it's near Bartow. It's near, um, uh, what is the little town that's right?

I can't think of the town. I'll think of it here in a second. But so we go out there to go shooting and we're, and this is a place where we bring special operations guys out and we blow stuff up and we can shoot and move and you don't have to worry about. And so Danny wanted to come out and take us some video of us. He got a really nice, uh, drone. and sent this drone up above the facility where we're at,

and let's say it was a half mile to a mile up, and I could hear it. So we do all this videoing as we come home that evening. I go back to, I take this footage back to my house, and I start going through it, and I'm looking at for particular views of the gun we're shooting. And my peripheral vision picks up like this dirty little ball of light

that I see in the video real quick. And so I stop it. I'm like, what the heck was that? And I go back and look at it. I'm like, wow, check that out. What is that? It looks like someone beamed a golf ball at the drone or shot the drone

and it was like this big white bullet coming right at the camera. So I sent it to the end I'm like hey dude check this out in these frames now the frames I'd originally given him were incorrect and so he went back through and he found him and he goes oh yeah dude I found it and so he would send me a video

that we just witnessed and went through it at a clip at a time yeah right here and was able to pull that up towards the end of it I'm just sitting there I got the drone just sitting there hovering and then if you go frame by frame you can see this like white golf ball

looking thing coming right at the drone but it goes underneath it but you can tell it definitely got redirected and then all of a sudden these guys from the Beyond Unknown show almost the same type of again I don't know what they're going to call it a light a golf ball

a bean bag yeah whatever that is something they recorded the same thing it looks about the size of it probably bigger than what a golf ball would look like flying that far away like I say they tried to say it was a bird they tried to say and even when Danny had talked about hey somebody shooting in my damn drone.

I'm like, dude, I couldn't see it was a mile up right over her head. This is like two miles away. There's no way they could have shot at that from that distance at two miles, and even been that close. Right. And this is the video you sent me, which is somebody else.

And this is like the same exact thing. Now, what is this video from? This is from beyond the unknown. Okay. It's just guys doing science work. About 60 seconds later, another mysterious object. That looks exactly like what it.

Dude, that was, I mean, That's exactly it. Yeah, it's the same thing. But again, it's odd that it's funny that these are all drones that are getting this video. And I think it's the sound of the drone that's actually attracting these things. Now, you know, what are they? That becomes the big question. That thing came from the sky.

High in the sky. The one on my drone looked like it came almost just directly at it parallel. Well, I think it came from the wood line down low and then came up high. I think you still have the original video of this. Yeah, I do have it somewhere. And check it out. But again, it's just kind of those weird things where, wait a minute, this was probably five years ago and we did this, four years ago, we did this. Yeah, four or five years ago for sure.

This video that just came out is just now. And these guys are also picking it up on their drones. And then there's another guy that was in Utah that was doing work on the oil fields. And he was actually doing reconnaissance on some areas for new oil. And one of these things flew out. And it was the exact same thing. And he was actually able to put a speed to it, which he said it was 3,800 miles an hour. It had covered two miles and two seconds and came up with a 3,800 mile an hour.

So he's like, I don't know what this is. Now, the one that Danny videoed initially, like I said, when you watch the video, you don't even see it. And I just happen to pick it up with my peripheral vision because it's moving so fast. Yeah, you couldn't miss that easily. And then, oh, very easily. And then as I went through it some more, there was even more that were in the video. So the average bullet, according to Quora, travels 2,500 feet per second around 1,700 miles per hour. So it shows you right there

I mean again That's twice the speed of a bullet Of a bullet Two thousand miles an hour faster than a bullet So you know It makes you scratch your head Wait a minute That was like a four frame

That was like four frames That thing that came through the drone shot There was like four frames You could see that white thing coming through Right Right Right So how do the math

That video clip was shot at 24 frames a second So 24 Divided by 4 Is what 24 to by 4 is 6 Right So what would that

That would be I'm fucking terrible at math Like I said I mean I just assumed it was about the same distance About two miles we were looking at Right And that if it And literally covered that

Now on the video Or the original video You can't see it But when you can slow it down And you start doing the math Okay well it covered You can't see it at full speed No dude

I mean It literally just kind of showed up as a spot So it was 16.6% of a second I mean that thing was in the frame. Dude, that's crazy. Think about how fast that is, really. And the fact that we even were able to see that thing

and pull it up and look at it. And the fact that it showed up now in two other TV shows on TV, it's the same light, the same golf ball, the same, whatever it is, it's the same. And again, it makes you just scratch your head and like, okay, what is this?

And why would it care about what our drones are doing? Which is just odd to me all the way around. Even when we viewed that, the first one, there were more of those, whatever that is, in there as well, I could see him. Yeah. But you know, you get tied up with other things and all of a sudden reality of life comes back.

Yeah. I got to feed the kids and take a bath. Yeah. I wish I could get paid to search this kind of shit. Oh, let me tell you. It would be, I mean, some of the stories are just amazing that you talk about. I saw things and some guys talked about stuff that happened in Vietnam. There was some UFO incidents there that happened on a couple of the rivers.

I mean, and it just goes on and on and on. You're like, well, listen, not everybody can be lying about this. No. And most people, I mean, with some of the strange things that I've seen, I didn't go running out. Let me tell everybody about it. You know, we happen to have you having this conversation now, me sharing those one with the red lights. The funny part was the night that I saw those lights, Donna was gone from the house. My neighbor was gone.

The kids were all gone. I couldn't share it with anybody. I'm like, I want to show somebody. You know, but I couldn't, my phone wouldn't pick up the red light, so I couldn't even videotape it to show anybody. But so you're like, well, what kind of, how do you validate that? Right. Right. Yeah.

Mike said he was saying stuff again. some red lights in the sky. What's he taken? What's Mike smoking? I need some of it. So, you know, you kind of keep them to yourself. But at some point, as this thing becomes more and more relevant, someone's going to let the cat out of the bag.

Yeah. And they're going to come out and say, hey, man, these things exist. We're not the only ones here. You know, unfortunately, religion isn't set up like you thought it is. And I think people, too, are afraid, well, if it's not set up like that, why should I be a good guy then? I mean, why I just go out here and rob and kill. Right.

It's going to be way, all the dots are going to be connected. And listen, you're either a good person or you're not. You know, you're either a shitbag and do the right thing because it is the right thing to do or you're one of those guys who just isn't. I mean, you know, if you're obviously hurting animals, I know that a bullet will resolve that real problem real quick. You're kind of that guy that's going to hurt animals. You know what I'm saying?

So we're at a place right now with mankind where I think about every 50 years, there's a significant change in the way we think about things. You talk to people today about certain events that have taken place. I think we've all seen something that is kind of odd or out of place that would be considered paranormal. But who do you tell? And there's so much of this. Are you really looking for attention, Mike? Is this how you're trying to get all the attention?

Maybe your parents didn't love you very much. But listen, at the end of the day, something is going on. And when we see this stuff that Danny's picked up on his, we see it on TV shows, it's the same exact whatever it is that we're looking at there. There's something going on. Yeah. And how they're all interrelated and, um, how they correspond with each other is still yet to be seen.

But I think that through some great podcasts and some information telling and the stuff that Rogan's doing and you're doing, you start to connect the dots. And I think at the end of the day we'll get this figured out. Dude, right now I think we've covered. I just really want to find out more about the Brazilian story.

Yeah, me too. That's the icing on the cake. That is... Hopefully it just doesn't get buried on the internet and forgotten. I mean, hopefully something, you know, something's got to happen. Someone's got to come forward and just... They can't keep everyone locked down

and keep their lips on forever. I want to see pictures, photographs, you know, video. You know, again, I don't know how close these guys are really getting to there. Again, the scary part is that the Brazilian authorities will kill you. That's what I was kind of telling you about how they, they don't play around. There are no civil rights there. If they tell you stay out of here, or I'm going to shoot you, you better stay out there. You're going to get shot. Or delete that video or whatever it is. So, you know, you're taking into consideration your life, literally if this is a true event and you're going to go, hey, I'm going to go get to the truth. Be careful.

Yeah. Be careful. Because I just know, like I say, those guys do not play around from the perspective. I've seen them. Right. And there's not going to be any warning shots. They only know what warning shots are. Oh, my God.

Well, shit. We just did two hours. Thank you for coming on and talking about this stuff. Super fascinating. Thanks for having me back. I need a little more. Yeah. We'll do it again.

Thanks so much. All right. Thanks. Thanks.