Danny Jones Podcast - #45 - Big Baby Scumbag

Episode Date: June 11, 2020

Big Baby Scumbag raps about NASCAR, Bud Light and Waffle House. If that doesn’t get you excited about this podcast then you should get off our channel. We go beyond the music and discuss everything that makes up the Big Baby Scumbag® brand. From condoms to hand sanitizer and a small batch beer with a local brewery, anything that can have his logo on it will. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mike Checkerone. Mr. Scumbag. Yes, sir. How are you, sir? Good, man. Thanks for doing this. Glad to be here. How are you?

I'm chilling, man. I'm chilling, man. I'm chilling. I'm chilling. Working on music all the time. You know what I'm saying? Trying to stay positive. Trying to stay inspired.

You know what I'm saying? Life of an artist, man. Is life good for the big baby scumbag right now? Hell yeah, man. Hell yeah, man. I, bro, like, I got a lizard like three months ago. I'm like a dad. A lizard?

Yeah, man. What? A blue tongue skink. So these lizards come from Australia. And they come from Australia and Indonesia. And these are lizards you can't just like get from a pet co or like a pet supermarket. So I had to wait until there was a reptile convention in Tampa back in February. And ever since then, I've just been on dad duty.

Like proud dad, man. I was watching them just like run across his cage up and down like earlier today. And I'm just like, damn, man. I love this dude. That's my boy. My boy. Did you just do an all gas, no breaks video? Oh, man.

Yeah. So we linked up. Andrew's down here. I don't know how long he's going to be down here for. He might be here for like a couple weeks or so. But, man, Andrew is the dude, man. So what's crazy is like a fan has sent me a video. Like they had shared a video of him on Instagram.

Instagram when he had went to Talladega. This is back in, I seen that video back in like December. And I was like, yo, what is this? This is the craziest shit I've ever seen. And the video that they had sent me, he was in the stands at Talladega. And while he was talking, some dude that came out to him and was like, number three, baby, fucking damn. And I was like, yo, I got to put this on a new project. So I had DM to Andrew.

And I was like, yo, like, is it cool if I put this on my project? He was like, yeah, man. And I was like, all right, bet. And then come to find out, we had a lot of mutual friends. Like, he's cool with a lot of people in the underground scene, like all the guys from GBC, Black Cray. We just have a bunch of mutual friends. So, like, when we clicked up, he was like, oh, yeah, how you know so-and-so?

Oh, you know what I'm saying? So it was very authentic, man. Shouts out, Andrew. the hand man we definitely gonna do an all gas no breaks video like a like a featured i got to be a featured guest their son we'll figure it out yeah what is he doing he's just like going to like weird conventions and film and stuff yeah so what he does is like he you know he he he's like a journalist you know what i'm saying yeah he just travels around you know what i'm saying any type of current events that there is around america he basically covers it like when uh y'all remember when the

the a little the whole alien shit was going on and like people were camping out of at Area 51. He had went to Reno Nevada. And fucking, he was interviewing people that were, like, camping out at the fucking Area 51. He's been to, like, crazy, like, crazy, like religious, like, cult conventions. And, like... He did the furry convention. He did the furry convention. That one was good. Yeah. He's been to, like, protest. He's been to Talladega. That was my favorite one. That was my favorite. That was my favorite.

The best. There's this, so there's this, there's this big, like, there's this big land. It's like, probably like an hour and a half from here, and it's called the sausage castle or the sausage house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so he had went to the sausage castle. He's been going back and forth from here to Tampa. I mean, from Tampa to the sausage castle, you know what I'm saying? So he's out there, you know, getting new content and shit like that.

Yeah, now that everything's opening back up, he's able to hit the road and doing this job. Right before everything shut down, he's like really starting to blow up. Yeah, dude, because, bro, like, last time I checked, he had, like, one point-something million. I think he was like... Yeah, it's insane. When I found out about him, he was, like, under, like, 500,000 maybe? I don't know, dude. Didn't Tim and Eric's production company just reach out to him about doing some stuff?

You know what? He was telling me about that. He was telling me about a TV deal, so shout out. Yeah, that's sick. He went straight to TV. Hey, shout us out to the homie, bro. And, like, what I like about Andrew, like, he's so down the earth, bro. Like, he's so, he's so, it's so authentic.

Like, what you see on the all gas, no breaks, like, that's him, dude. Yeah. I love the suit. Yeah, yeah, man. The suit is what, like, really, like, neutralizes him in any group so he can, like, just blend in anywhere, no matter how extreme it is, somebody yelling about buttholes or somebody in a furry costume, humming him. He's just still there with the microphone. Like, like, it's all good. Yeah, bro.

I love his airman. He's so faithful to the Airmaxes, bro. I looked at his footwork. I was like, oh, shit, okay. I haven't seen those before. The suit is identical to the Michael Jordan suit that he wore in the 90s. Yeah, big ass suit. Yeah.

Huge shoulders. Huge pants, yeah. It's part of the look, though. It's iconic. Yeah, no, it's like he can't ever, like, be in some regular clothes. Like, they're going to be like, what the fuck are you wearing, dude? That's how he blends and just take the suit off. And then he just, like, neutralizes.

himself and he's in the group again yeah he's yeah he's doing big shit man like we uh i told him i wanted to get him in a music video and i don't know doing what i think i think we'll do like a little skit scene like in the middle of the video where like it's like pretend i'm like pretend on all gas no brakes yeah i'm saying some type of some type of cameo easter egg for the video you know yeah that'd be hilarious yeah no that shit'll be so crazy how long you've been in tampa are you originally from here Yeah, man, born and raised, man. Born and raised. Florida, OG.

Yeah, hell, yeah. Have you always been a Bucks fan? Yeah, dude. My dad is a diehard Bucks fan, bro. My dad is like, what? When lose or draw, he don't care, bro. Like, I remember when, so I remember he was telling me when the Bucks first came out. Like, you know, like the first three seasons, like the orange, the original bucks.

The cream sickle. Yeah, back in the 70s, they lost every single. game like three seasons straight you know what I'm saying my dad was still going hard for him back then so you know what I'm saying it's uh I feel like I feel like now like the tables are going to turn a little bit and like a lot of people are going to hop on the bin wagon now that we got Brady yeah for sure like I'm not sold really no why I'm not sold I mean it's like the same thing when Brett fire went to the Vikings I feel like Brady still got some fuel left in a man Come bring that ring home.

I would love to see it happen. I'm not denying that it could happen. And we got gronk, man. I'm skeptical. We got gronk, too, man. Yeah, Gronk, though, he's brittle. He's old. Those old bones ain't going to last.

They're going to have to, like, they're going to have to just bench Gronk and tell the playoffs when they make the playoffs and then just set him loose during the playoffs. Because he's always getting hurt. Even when he was, you know, when he was playing with the Patriots, he was always hurt. Yeah, that's true, man. Hey, man, I got to go to a Bucks game. And hopefully, like, this quarantine shit, like, isn't, like, bad, you know what I'm saying? Come, like, August, September. Because I got to go.

Last time I went to a Bucks game was, like, I was, like, 13, 14, you know what I'm saying? And that's back when I was actually playing football. Like, my dad would take me to the Bucks games because he was working for the Tampa Tribune. So, like, anybody that worked for the Tampa Tribune, they would have, like, they would be given, like, free, like, VIP passes. so we would be like and like we would be where like the general managers and shit would be.

We would be in the fucking the, the, like the see through glass shit the box right, right, right. They cater it and everything got food in there.

Yeah, yeah, bro, it was so VIP. I was like, it was every Sunday. So yeah, man,

shout out Tampa Tribune, man. They treated their employees really good. You gonna do a song about Tom Brady? It's already recorded. It's already recorded.

It's in the wall. Can we get the sneak peek? Oh, Honestly, I don't like it enough right now. I got to re-record it. And that's how it is with a lot of my songs, man. It could be the slightest thing. And I'm like, I don't like it.

And then my engineer, though, my engineer will be like, oh, you're overthinking it. Like, you know what I'm saying? But it's just the life of a perfection, man. I'm trying to get better at, you know, not overthinking shit because a lot of times it is just, oh, like, nobody's worried about that. Like, literally.

If a fan was to listen to a song, they wouldn't catch. What I'm so, you know. Yeah, sometimes you just got to let go. You just got to let go of it and just move on to the next one. And a lot of the, you know, really good shit is the most authentic shit. And that becomes the best shit. And once you ramp up that output and you just kind of let go of the process, you can really start to discover who you are as an artist.

And you just get out of your way and let whatever comes out. Yeah, man. Yeah. Like when I first started, I was so, so conscious about shit. Like, I was like, oh, like, I don't want to do this. I don't want to do that. But, like, if you're not taking no risk, man, or if you're worried about what somebody thinking about you, man, like, it's good as dead, man.

You can't, you can't worry about that shit, man. And Pablo, Pablo would stress that a lot, man, like, fuck it. Just do what it do, man. Hey, who are you doing this for? You or somebody else? Right. You know what I'm saying? And at the end of the day, that's what it is, man.

Real deal. And that's how I actually had a thought too, because I grew up, like, playing guitar and playing in punk bands and, like, coming up through Tampa. And I'm, like, really curious about, like, what it's like being a rapper, like, going through the DIY scene. And, like, what it's like to just learn how to rap and actually be good at that. Like, how do you do that? Honestly, it's a gift, bro. It's a gift, like, it's a gift, but at the same time, it is, like, practice. Like, you know, first.

For me, I felt like I was a natural for show. Because really, like, when my homies introduced me to rapping, I wasn't even rapping at the time. They was like, my homie skinny. Actually, I know him from since middle school, little scumbag too. And that's where, that's where the name scumbag came from. We was all in a group. Homies from back in middle school. So my homie was like, yo, I'm starting this rap group.

I want you to be in it. I was like, man, I don't know how to rap, whatever, whatever. He was like, it don't even matter, bro. Like, just be in it to be cool, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, all right, cool, you know, not knowing, not knowing shit. So I hopped in the studio for the first time and I was a natural, dude. And I mean, I just stuck with it. I stuck with it and, you know, it worked out.

Like, what really worked for me is just getting the reassurance. Like, even if, you know, it. I say this all the time, but I'm like, yo, all of that old shit I made was so trash. But they was gas at me up, you know what I'm saying? So I feel like what fueled my shit was just the confidence that they gave me, like, yo, this shit is fire. Like, this shit is crazy. I was like, for real?

You like this? You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, man, that, like, being fueled just those good compliments and, you know, a combination of that and just me believing in myself, like, it, you know, it, it, it, it, it made me want to get better, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Hell yeah, bro. So it's not, it's, it is a gift, but at the same time, anybody can just, you know,

just with anything like basketball, sports, like learning the instrument, you know, whatever, you can get better at it, you know. Did you always, when you approached it first, did you just, like, hop in the studio with, they just, like, played a couple of beats for you and you just started, just started freestyle or did you actually try to write something first, the first time you ever tried it? I had already had some shit written out. I'd already had some shit written out. I wrote this probably like two days after Skinny had told me he was going to book me a studio.

So I was like, well, shit, I got to be prepared. I don't want to just go in there and say some bullshit. So, yeah, man, literally got me in the studio. I'm fucking spitting like, bitch, I'm fucking, oh, my God, what I said? Bitch, I'm fucking flexing on these holes like I'm pushing weight. And yeah, like I could I could hear them in the background Because we were like in a closet Like well I was in a closet and then they was like in the bedroom right next to the closet

So it was on somebody's house it wasn't like a studio Yeah yeah yeah yeah like a microphone yeah man fucking mattresses on the wall Yeah pad it pad it wall They got the towel under right Right so so dude I'm hearing everybody in the room I'm hearing them through my headphones they're so loud they're like Yo, this shit is crazy. I was like, for real.

So, yeah, man, I came in there, I came in there prepared. A lot of my shit is written. I can freestyle really good, too, but I like to relax and just write your shit down, like physically on paper. Like, I can do the notes. Like, I got hella raps in my notes, but I like the, there's no better feeling than just the way your fucking fingers glides across the paper when you write some fire shit. Yeah. It makes you think about it differently because you're like, there's something different between just like tapping a screen and then actually writing the words in the way that it registers with your brain.

It kind of like makes it sink in a little bit more and helps you think about it a little bit deeper. What's dope is I have this book I got from Barnes & Noble's a few months ago. It's called, it's a book on like, like, writer's block and like creative block and shit like that. And they was talking about, you know, what type of. exercises you can do to stimulate your brain and shit. And basically there's this one exercise where they say just get a piece of paper and just literally whatever you're thinking of, just write it, just write it out, just continuous thoughts.

Don't stop thinking and don't stop writing. You know what I'm saying? And that's what makes you a better rapper or a freestaller at the same time. You know what I'm saying? And usually it starts out like the first 15, 20 minutes of writing is just bullshit. nothing meaningless shit. Then eventually it just gets into something that's good and has some meat to it. Yeah.

Yeah. My favorite thing about you is that you don't take yourself too seriously. You just wrap about whatever, whatever the fuck you want. NASCAR, Joe Dirt, Carol Baskin, coronavirus. All the shit that we love. Salem's chicken and fries. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Dude, I'm so influenced by so much stuff, man. I feel like, and I feel like, that's what makes me so relatable because I I rap about you Gil I rap about you know what I'm saying I tweet

I tweet all day long about bullshit but it's so relatable you know what I'm saying like oh my God I can't think of anything off the top of my head

but like I'll tweet like oh my God I'll tweet like I'll tweet like I don't know but I want to be as

transparent with my fans as possible to where they feel like, you know what I'm saying, like, I'm normal. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's nothing worse than like an artist, you know, feeling, you know, like, artists feel like they're untouchable or like they're like just, you know what I'm saying? I want my fans to feel like, you know what I'm saying? They can like have a beer with me. Like you're one of them. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Like you're building a community. You know, you're not like building a kingdom where it's just like, this is all about me and you're here for me. This is for us. Right, right, dude. Because, like, when I win, my fans win, man, and I think them all the time. You know what I'm saying? It's just reassurance, like, you guys are the best. Because shit, I can be working a 9 to 5 right now, man.

Like, I'm grateful every day. Every day I wake up, I'm like, whoof, thing I don't got working 9 to 5, you know what I'm saying? Like, when shit get rough, I'm like, damn, man, like, that's because really when I was younger doing this shit, I was like, yo, like, can I make this a career? You know what I'm saying? Because when I first started, I was juggling the job and the rap shit, you know what I'm saying?

So there's a thing that a lot of people go through when they first start is like, damn, like, when do I, like, quit my job and fully pursue this? And there's a lot of anxiety and fear, you know what I'm saying? Behind that, like, oh, like, but I'm not making enough money doing the music. shit to quit the job you know what I'm saying? Trading dreams for securities. Yeah man but it's it's tough man but

once you set on that bro you good man my advice to any upcoming artist man follow that shit there's never a good time to quit your job yeah it's never yeah no you just got to fucking do it man because really like what

when I knew exactly when I wanted to quit dude it was uh my first label meeting so uh i had a meeting with a label in new york and uh i had uh took like a week off of work and uh me and pablo had went out to new york and uh where were you working northstrom rack okay northstrom rick man but uh we went to new york we was out there for like a week came back you know what i'm saying and i was like damn yo like i can't do this bro like i was just in new york like i was just in new york like at a label meeting.

Like, I can't fuck it. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was just like, it kind of disson to my ego in a way. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was like, damn, like, I'm here getting bossed around. You know, like, they don't know that I was just up there, like doing, doing this. And, like, I don't know. It fed into the, you know, the hunger.

And I was like, no, I can't do this no more. So you came back? I came. Turned in the keys. I came back with just a whole new confidence, man. like fuck this job man I'm doing this music shit

like for real yeah and you know all the A&Rs at the office you know what I'm saying and just seeing like just everybody else that was signed to this label and just shaking all these hands and it was so like

because that was my first time seeing any of that shit and it was like yo like this was happening right now all right like I can do this you know what I'm saying so oh yeah what is silly rabbit

What is this? What is this stuff you got here? All right. So, Silly Rabbit, the name came from a lyric to one of my songs. Jelly and Jelly, I had said, Silly Rabbit, you can't have it. I got carrot to my two. So we just took that lyric and was like, yo, this would be a pretty good idea to turn this into a beer and put trick cereal in the beer. You know what I'm saying?

Like at first it just sounded so crazy But I was like you know what? This is going to be a really good idea because You know One thing with alcohol is like You know not everybody likes to drink beer Like yeah You know

There's a lot of people that don't like to taste of beer You could definitely make some weed called silly rabbit too Right Smoke one joint Turn your silly But yeah like With this it was kind of like You know

Like wanted to make some shit that, you know, anybody could drink, you know what I'm saying? Not necessarily just a beer, like a pilsner, like people don't like that gritty, bitter, you know, piss type of taste, you know what I'm saying? So with a silly rabbit, it was like, all right, like this tastes like juice. Like it literally tastes like juice, you know. It looks delicious. Like the milk after you eat some. Yeah, it's really good, bro.

It's really, like, honestly, it creeps up on you. Like, because it's, I'm. How much percent is it? Because I forgot. Those are tall boys, too. Who do you brew this with? It's a 5.5 percent. So this is, yeah, so like a bud light is like 4.3, 4.1 or something.

But it's brewed with Hidden Springs. Hidden Springs Brewery. They're out in Tampa, right? Yeah, yeah. They're right before you get to downtown. They're right next to a YMCA in an, like, an Oriental market. Okay. Yeah.

That's sick. So this is just like one of the many things that you have for for merch, right? Yeah, like a whole merch empire online. Yeah, man, I got I got the condoms. I got the hand sanitizer. And those are the big baby cum bags, right? Yeah, the come bags, bro. That was always, that was always like an inside joke.

It was always like an inside joke. How did that joke come to live? Dude, like, okay, so I would see fans be like, how is his name pronounced? It's like, because, you know, on Twitter, on my Twitter handle, it's all, like, all caps, all big baby scumbags. So it's like, you know what I'm saying? That S right there could get kind of, you know what I'm saying? Take it or leave it. It's up to you.

You don't know where that S really goes in the name. Does it go to the baby? Right, right, right. So it was always like an inside joke on Twitter and Instagram like, damn, like, is it babies comeback? You know what I'm saying? So, you know, it? That was kind of just like a, that was honestly, that was like a troll for like my fans because at first I wasn't going to put those out. You know, I just threw the idea out there one day.

And I was like, you know what? I'm going to actually make some condoms. Yeah. And yeah, no, they did really good. What's, uh, do you take a lot of suggestions from people on Twitter to make stuff? Uh, or on social media in general. Do you interact with them and they like give you ideas that you kind of run with? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I, I try to, I try to be. a little more authentic though because like fans bro fans are quick to be like oh yeah I gave you that idea give me credit like you know what I'm saying so

yeah and I try I try not to feed into like fans ideas like that you know I'm saying unless it's like a really good one like a little because yo like there's been a bunch of shit that I've came out with or like do like certain lines like certain lyrics bro that I've had in my songs

and like fans would be like oh you stole that from my song that I made a week ago, even though your song is like months old, you stole this song from you. That's hilarious. So, yeah, dude, I try not to, like, as far as ideas, like, I don't really, you know, take them from people suggesting them. Like, I just, I try to come up, me and my team, me, Pablo, my DJ, DJ Chuck, Louis Scum, Sonny Fritz, you know, I'll talk amongst them and be like, yo, like, what you think about

this or what you think about this, you know what I'm saying? And if the homies fuck with it, I know everybody else going to fuck with it, you know what I'm saying? Hell yeah. It's all that matters, man. Hell yeah. Yes, sir. So who did you take most of your inspiration from when you decided to create this

big baby scumbag brand that you've created? Where did you take most of your inspiration from? Ah, man. Honestly, this goes back to me just being a kid and like, just like, make pretending I had my own brand. of shit and like you know what I'm saying just kind of going back to like being in like the third grade fourth grade and like playing ugeo cards and shit you know what I'm saying I had to put the dragon on it you know what I'm saying and like that uh the logo is uh is a playoff of like those trucker

logos like a mac logo you know what I'm saying where it's like the bulldog circle around it with Mac you know I'm saying a lot of the shit I put out is just the influence of shit that I fucked with when I was younger, like the skateboards, for instance, like a lot of the, a lot of the skateboards and shit, just trucker hats. The trucker hats, I was influenced by NERD. Like, Ferell was wearing the trucker hats with the, with the brain, the NERD brain logo on it. You know what I'm saying? I want to make hockey jerseys, dude.

I was wearing so many hockey jerseys back in high school, man. Like, I had a fucking collection of them. And you got all, like, the NASCAR stuff. stuff too yeah yeah that's really big on you like a dude with nascar it was kind of a thing like i was always going to the thrift store and shit and like you know us like being out here in florida like it's like nascar capital so it's at the gas stations yeah not like it's everywhere so it's right next to the butterfly knives it's inevitable bro so like i i i became a nascar fan without even realizing it because I was getting I was buying these shirts just because they look cool I was like

damn like these shirts are fire and shit and then like I'm gonna say around like 2014 one of my homies Black Cray at that at that time I wasn't even rapping I wasn't even rapping yet but Black Cray had put out a song called Daytona 500 he had put out two he had put out a handful of songs that was like NASCAR reference you know what I'm saying and like I was like damn you know this shit is tight like you know what I'm saying somebody else is into this NASCAR shit too like I am you know what I'm saying let alone like somebody that I really fucked with musically so it just fueled the flame of all right like I'm gonna take I'm gonna take the NASCAR shit somewhere for real yeah it's kind of like your your music is like a crossover of meme culture you know what I mean

For sure. For sure. Like my music is, my music is a product of my everyday thoughts. What I watch on TV, movies, video games, pop culture, cartoons, lifestyle, all that shit, man. Yeah. All that shit in one, like, in one fucking boiling pot and I stir it up and, you know what I'm saying? Like, all of my songs is just like, this is like a.

this is a, you know what I'm saying, of you into my world. You feel what I'm saying? So, yeah, man, my girl will tell you, like, Tiger King, like when I came out, like, I was strictly Tiger. I didn't want to watch none else but Tiger King. Yeah. Tiger King.

Yeah, well, you got to, yeah, you got to finish it before you start something else. Yeah, no, for sure. So right after I, I finished the Tiger King, I was like, yo, because it was so crazy about that shit, dude, like, I didn't know, like, so I knew about Big Cat Rescue. I used to live like 10 minutes from Big Cat But like I never knew like all that shit was happening

Isn't that crazy? You know what I'm saying? So I was like dude like I gotta make a song about Joe Exxated. I feel like it's a writer like what? Like I'm from Tampa, dude, I gotta do this. That's the craziest thing about like around here this area I mean Florida in general but this area for sure There's like so many things like that like Big Cat Rescue

You live there forever you always drove past it But you never knew that crazy story behind it Yeah, never knew about Carol Baskin and just that whole shit. And what's crazy, dude, is that there's kind of like a theory. And, you know, there's this one scene on Tiger King, and Carol Baskin is talking about walking down Nebraska Avenue. Yeah. Now, anybody familiar with Tampa knows what Nebraska Avenue is.

You know what I'm saying? Because you describe Nebraska Avenue for those you don't know. Nebraska Avenue is just very sketch. It's a very sketchy street. You know, it's where a lot of, you know, prostitution goes down. You know what I'm saying? So in Tiger King, Carol Baskin, she had said, yeah, like I'm walking down. Nebraska to clear my head, this and that.

And her husband, well, he wasn't her husband at that time, but Dan, he was driving down that street and just picked her up. Right. Told her to hop in. You know what I'm saying? Dan's a millionaire. And he gave her a gun. Yeah, point this at me. You know what I'm saying?

You know, hey, I don't know, man. That relationship was doomed from the start. Carol Baskin, hey, Carol Baskin might have been a prostitute, dude. You never know, man. She very well could have been. What's a good point? Feelings on Carol Baskin now that some time has passed, you've maybe had some time to reflect. Do you still feel the way that you did in your song?

She did it. She did that. She did that. She did that shit, bad. Really? What? She did. Because what's so crazy as like, dude, like, like,

A lot of that shit just doesn't add up. But then that, now, one thing, one thing that is kind of weird, though, is like, one of Dan's friends was on the show, and his friend was saying that, like, the day before he disappeared, Dan was like, yo, like, if I can pull this off, this will be the slickest thing I've ever done in my life. It was like, what? I think here's how I look at it. If he was the kind of dude who's going to drive down Nebraska, pick up some bitch and give her a gun and say, point this at me, I need someone to. to talk to,

you're the same kind of dude who's going to take off to Costa Rica. Yeah. And you're going to be, you know, living with a new hooker every. He got a whole new name. That was a time in America when you could still just disappear yourself. There's no phones. You could still pay with cash for everything. You didn't need credit cards.

He probably paid people off along the way. He's living large. He's got, he's living in a house with like 14 underage girls in Costa Rica. Bunch of tigers. Bunch of tigers. For real. But see, that's, that's the.

That's the crazy part, man, because Carol Baskin was doing a lot of sketchy shit, man. So it's like, I don't know, man. And then even Dan's family was saying how, like, Carol basically, like, threatened to cut them off. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. If they talk to the media and, you know what I'm saying, did all this. I was like, oh, no, dude. Yeah, man.

That's a weird conspiracy. Well, they opened up the case again, didn't they? They opened the investigation. So I don't know what the latest is on that. the latest development. It just seems too obvious. It just seems way too obvious. Yeah, man.

I mean, the lions. Like, come on. Or tigers. What fuck. Yo, like,

what's crazy about Big Cat Rescue 2 is like, um, dude, like it's, you know, being from Tampa, like, you know,

shit is like literally right in front of your face. Like, dude, I was at Publix the other day. And there was two people there that had Big Cat Rescue volunteer shirts on. What? You know what I'm saying?

What color? They were red. What is that level? I think that's newbie level. Noobes? Yeah, those are newbs. They're making sub-rots for everybody. I was like, I looked.

I took a double-tick-o. Yeah, man. Free Joe Exotic, man. Yeah, free Joe. What's his? What's up with him? Didn't you get coronavirus? I don't know.

You know, what happened to him? You're right. He just kind of disappeared. He did. Yo, they was saying he caught that shit. I mean, shit. I think he's healthy now. I would hope so.

You know what on his list. If y'all, if you can be. If y'all go to his Instagram. He's got his boy, his husband running. Yeah, yeah. Yo, like, they're posting, like, memes of, like, the, what's the dude's name that took over the park? Oh, yeah, I forgot his name. I forgot, but they're posting memes of him.

They're trying to, like, blackmail him now. You know what I'm saying? They're trying to take him down. They're doing, like, the same smear campaign they were doing for Carol. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now they're trying to take him down. So Joe Exotic's whole Instagram is just like, yeah, like, he's doing shady shit. like he needs to be in jail too

it's crazy I thought he's gonna get pardoned for a second by Trump yeah really yeah man I thought what's crazy is like he he doesn't have bail I don't think he has bail because I looked up his network dude Joe Exotic is stacked

is he really yeah man you gotta be have money to be flipping those kind of tigers flipping tigers I don't think he got bail I think he got to do that as harm or something bro because yeah no he's he's stacked dude something's fucked up

with that whole situation. Doesn't add up. No, it definitely doesn't add up. Hey man. Free Joe Exotic. He ain't do nine, man. For real. Oh, fuck.

So, do you make your own memes that you put, like, you're really active on Twitter? Yeah. So how do you come, like, how do you come up with memes and how do you, like, where do you find them and how do you curate them? You were talking about. Yeah, I'm curious, like, how do you find memes? now. Like what, you're, you're in your 20s, right? I'm 32.

I'm a little old for the internet. So, like, my meme resource is like middle class fancy and shithead Steve. And anytime I try to go on, like, 4chan, all I end up with is, like, gaping buttholes. And it's just like, I can't find anything on there that doesn't discuss me. I don't do 4chan.

So where do you find memes and, like, that aren't just that? Honestly, I, either I make them myself or, like, I got a bunch of homies that, like, I just text back and forth, just dumb-ass shit. Do you know Savage Realm? Savage Realm.

No. Okay. He's funny. Hisy memes are fucking hilarious. I thought, I thought, because you guys are kind of like on the same meme level. You guys are like,

I might recognize. You guys are on that tier. Yeah, yeah. I might recognize this shit if I see it. But, uh, yeah,

now I do, like, I usually get my memes from the homies or like I make my own shit. Like in-house stuff. Yeah, now like, I just,

I have one, like, album in my, in my phone, like one camera roll just full of like, just the dumbest shit. ever dude like uh like dude like that uh not to go back to joe exotic but that that that slideshow

that slideshow video where like it has the lyrics on the top and the bottom yeah that's amazing i had uh um a homie of mine that works at a zoo in florida me and him were just sending pictures back and forth so like of like joe exotic memes and shit so like really it didn't take no effort to make that to make that slideshow thing. I just threw it because I already had all the pictures I did it. I just threw the legs on it like boom. But yeah, now I make all of my memes myself do like I use like a bunch of like video editing apps and you know what I'm saying. A little photo editing apps, whatever.

I mean it's honestly it's it's a, it's a trial and air though because like it's just like being a comedian like if you're doing standup. I watch a lot of stand up too. You know, comedians bomb all the time. Yeah. I'm saying I'll post some shit it's no love at all yeah you know what works so you know it doesn't work you know it's just pretty quick right right so it's just finding that balance dude so yeah man I'm still working at it because I'm not the best me do you do all the editing on your phone yeah everything from my phone really I just I just downloaded this program on my laptop

a couple days ago so I'm still trying to still touring around with it trying to see what works and what doesn't work uh But, yeah, for the most part, everything's off the phone. They make it easy to design off your phone now. You don't even need a computer for Photoshop. There's so many second-party apps that you can use to just do shit on. Dude, I got a Chromebook, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, everything is off my phone. Those things are pretty legit. Yeah, like, you, bro, like, people think you need, like, just fancy, like, Mac lab top. You know what I'm saying? No, I do. Like, that goes with recording, bro. with recording, you know, like, a lot of my first songs were, like, recorded with fucking iPhone

earphones, bro. And, like, the fucking, the microphone shit, I was like. Yeah. On the headphones. Yeah, I was fucking talking to the mic, dude. Yeah, when people start out, a lot of people just get super attached to the equipment and they think they need, like, before they can do anything, they just need to have the best stuff.

It's just like an excuse to, like, wait longer. You know what I mean? I got to get that microphone. I need to get that big. Cameras do you use. I need that video. camera. I don't have the latest Photoshop.

Yeah, yeah. Bro, you think like that, you're not going to get shit done ever, bro. That's so toxic, man. It's just procrastination, dude. Like, yeah, like, I got to get this in order to do that. And blah, blah, blah. It just hens the creative process. Yeah.

When it hens the creative process. And two, like, you know what I'm saying? When it comes to ideas and shit, you know, there's a lot of times, there's been a lot of times when, like, me and Paolo would be shooting. and like we would I would be like yo we got to shoot this like right now like you know what I'm saying like I feel like if we wait on this shit the idea is going to get stale yeah not going to feel like you know what I'm saying not feel as excited shooting this shit yeah yeah man because you can plan and you can plan and you can plan and like yeah you go shoot that plan but we're in the moment you have to recognize those opportunities for creativity that you can't see unless you're like in the middle of it yeah yeah and if you're waiting for you know all the equipment and everything to be perfect, then you're never going to get started and you're never going to do anything worthwhile. You got to start somewhere, man. Everybody got to start somewhere. You know what I'm saying? Like, shit. A lot of people, a lot of people that, you know, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that got their sound, their signature sound. It was from using bad studio equipment and it just became their sound.

You know what I'm saying? Like, a lot of this, this references back to, like, skateboarding videos. Like, there's a lot of people. there's a lot of skate photographers now and filmers that still use the same equipment that they was using in the early 2000s you know what I'm saying if it ain't broke don't fix it because that's that's just their style of shit like a lot of filmmakers are

VX 100 yeah like William Strobeck or Spike Joneses like running shit now but they started out with like the worst equipment ever but that's the style now yeah that's the style man like if it ain't broke don't fix it dude like it's just that nostalgic you know what I'm saying

shitty basement you know 3-6 mafia A lot of my shit A lot of my shit that I do now Crabbs here Keep it going Oh yeah Oh my God

Oh we got some crab boy It's gonna be good A lot of A lot of my shit that I do now I'll tell my engineer I'm like Yo this shit sounds too good Like it sounds too like

Too polished Too clear And he's like What the fuck does that be It doesn't sound shitty enough I'll be like Yo like it sounds too crispy man like distort it just a little bit.

Yeah, where he's got to get the speakers rattling a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like those are unknown to do. Yeah, man, I feel like I feel like it as characteristic too, you know. So, yeah, dude, I feel like at the same time, though, it's whatever works for you personally. Because, you know what I'm saying? There's a lot of people that have, you know, crispy clear vocals, you know what I'm saying? Crispy clear music videos and everything is just perfect, you know what I'm saying? but there's some artists where you love

like the nitty gritty like you know what I'm saying you know type shit so to each is I think the nitty gritty stuff is what you were saying earlier about like being accessible to your fans and when you keep it at that level you make it more approachable

and it feels more human whereas like stuff like anything that like Drake is doing or it's like that's so unobtainable and if you're waiting to look and sound like that then you're never going to do anything Nah, dude, because, like, those guys like Drake, they look at the underground, you know what I'm saying? They're like, oh, what can I steal?

Right, right. They take shit from the underground. So it's like, don't try and be like these big dudes because they're trying to be like us. Yeah, they're trying to steal what you're doing. So be yourself and then maybe one day Drake can rip you off. Yeah, right? Yeah, no. Ain't you, like making songs for, like, TikTok dances now?

Yeah, yeah. Actually, I want to make a TikTok dance, too. My girl been putting me onto TikTok lately because I'm not on TikTok. at all. So I was like, damn, like, I need to make it like a little TikTok. What would a big baby scumbag dance be? You just go left. I don't know.

Go fast and go left. If I have something to do with beer, like the shotgun, like, that's the dance. I don't know. I'm not that coordinator. I can't really dance like that. Yeah. Like, there's, bro, with TikTok, there's so many, like, choreography steps. And, like, there's so much shit to do it.

There's a new one every week. Yeah, not. Or, like, honestly, though, it's like the same five dance. But it's just like They're in different orders I love the way that they dance So there's so much emphasis on like every Yeah nah hey

Hey man but yeah nah like TikTok is lit TikTok is for show It's where it's at you gotta If you're like doing memes and Promoting yourself through social media You kind of have to be reacting to Everything that's coming out whether it was like vine which is dead now

Yeah but like luckily like Instagram Twitter Everything stuck around like that for you and now it's like you know, you take a risk every time you go on a new platform because, like, will it tank in a couple of years? But is that risk worth it for you to invest the time? You know, back in the day, bro, MySpace, like, I would have never thought we'd live in the world where MySpace don't exist. Right? What? MySpace was the shit.

Thank you, bro. This looks beautiful, dude. They lost it, though, once they had a top 16. Really? Top eight was, like, that was legitimate. But, like, once you got, like, top 32, it gets too much. You're trying to make it for everybody at that point. That's when you start to lose it.

Bro, you know what's funny. So on my top eight, right? So there was these accounts, right? So I would set my top eight to say D's nuts. So like there was one account that was like D. You add D as a friend. You add E as a friend. You add E as a friend.

Z. So you just make fake accounts? And you, no, like this was like real. Like I got this from a homie of mine that had D's nuts as a, that's top. I was like, I'm going to add these nuts too And like, I put this shit in order Oh my, bro.

Look at this. Dude, this is from Krispy Krab. Crispy Krab. Yo, this is crazy. We're going to turn this to a seafood eating contest. Hell yeah. There's a shitload of paper towels down here. I got one of the legs open.

I'm not as bad as I thought. How's the crab? Decent? What is that? An egg? Yeah, it's an egg? Wow, that was pretty... See, I can't open, like...

Like, towards the claw. Yeah. Yeah, it gets, like, kind of difficult with these, because those shell's so soft. Yeah. Dude. I was watching Castaway. Oh, shit.

And, like, the scene where, uh, he had finally got, like, a spear, right? Uh-huh. And he fucking stabs the crab and he picks it up and it just, like, oozes out, like... Oh, yeah. gut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like liquid crab meat.

And then, yo. Oh, a Survivor? No, castaway. Castaway, man. Let's call it Survivor. My boy was out there for four years eating crab legs, man. What was funny was like, what was funny was when he actually came back after those four years. And he was at like that welcome home party or whatever.

Yeah. There was a big-ass thing of crab legs and he looked at it. He was like, fuck this. Fuck this, dude. I want a pub sub Right Yo so where'd you get that crab in the James Winston video Yeah that seasoning looked weak on that crab

Publix. Publix? Oh that's where he got us. It looked weak. It looked weak. Really? Damn, I forgot what it looked like, honestly. It was just like you got it straight out of the cabinet. Yeah, no. Huh?

What was it public? Yeah, that's where James stole it from Publix. It was that public's downtown. Like, I think you know. talking about. But yeah, no. I was barely,

you know, it's funny, I was barely eating those crab legs. Low key. Yeah. I got a, I got a public's dinner.

And I was eating, I was eating the public's. The hot dinner? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I got like chicken tenders and like mac and cheese

and shit. Oh, yeah, yeah. So I was eating the dinner and then Pablo and my DJ Chuck, they was eating the crab legs, but I'd only took one bite

for the, for the video? For the video. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just for the look. Man, this shit is messy, son. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, this is.

I got one napkin over here that's going to serve as my plate. Luke, for your laptop, just use your nose for the mouse pads. No, it's cool. I'll just crab it. The crab works. It's touch sensitive. The boiled peanuts are pretty fire, too. The boiled peanuts are great.

Yeah, man, I love boiled peanuts, dude. I love boiled peanuts, dude. I love boiled. Like, you can't find boiled peanuts nowhere else. Like, they got them in, like, Texas, Alabama. Georgia Like Louisiana Anywhere else?

Nah You're not going to find boiled peanuts In fucking California New York No No Not at all They're gonna look at you

Definitely southern thing They're gonna look at you like you fucking crazy man They've They've got rid of all the crockpots though At the gas stations You can't get them anymore You know what? Not you know

Was it a virus? Yeah But you can't just have like a A crock pot sitting out Unattended at all hours of the day with a dirty ass spoon next to it for you to get peanuts out of that. You know what? I just now realize that you're right.

Yeah. Damn, that's crazy. I tried to get some the other day, but the guy looked at me like I was an idiot. They'll have that same crock pot. I won't be surprised if like. Never cleaned. Never cleaned. To perfection.

That's what makes it so good. It's been sitting there for like 10 years. It's probably that the same set of boiled peanuts are in there all fucking week. Yeah. If it's not empty down. Guaranteed. Yeah, nah. They've never changed the water and that's what makes it so good.

Right. You get like a real dark one, it's like real crusty on the outside. They've been marinating and shit. That's when you know it's going to be a good batch. Yeah, no, I used to, bro, I used to. So in my old neighborhood, there was the ice cream in. But, like, he didn't only have, like, ice cream. He had, like, fucking empanadas and, like, pickled sausage, like pickled eggs.

And, like, boiled peanuts and shit. So, like, yo, if you had, like, five bucks, you was, like, a million. there. You can get an empanata, some boiled peanuts, fucking ice cream, some chips, and a soda, like, all with $5, man.

And for Toy Story, me and Pablo shot a video, some scenes out there and we were in this sunflower field. It was like this big

ass, yo, the name of that sunflower field was like a... Here, thank you, dude. Yeah, man. That's just, It was beautiful. Like, usually they have, like, the Tampa Bay Lightning's logo.

Like, if you was the, like, if you was, like, in the helicopter or some shit, and you look down at it, it would be, like, go boats. Oh, sick. It would be a, like, let's go boat. Yeah, no, man. I love Brooksville, dude. You ever think about doing a country album? I feel like it's in you.

It's certain of works, man. Really? On the, on the Dale Earnhardt, Alv, you put out, you had that one country song on there. Toy Story. Yeah. Oh, that's the one, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. It's in the works, man. Like, at first, I was on some shit where, you know, I was making... You got a single paper towel. Neither. I didn't know you had plates. Thank you. Yo, this sausage is hella good.

The sausage is where it's at. Yeah, no, shit's fire. So, like, at first, with the country shit, with Toy Story, It was more so like me making fun of country music. Yeah. Like me mocking what a country song would sound like. That was Toy Story. But the new shit that I've been working on as of lately, it's actual like, okay, this is me taking it serious.

Not like on some like super country, but it's big baby scumbags take. Yeah, yeah. Like you're not going to be doing like Old Town Road kind of stuff. Yeah, no, no. Rumor that just came out with, like, a new song? He's, like, it's like trap country or whatever. Really? The guy with the ski mask?

Uh. RMR. I don't know how to say his name. Anyway, yeah, it seems like it's, like, starting to work its way more into hip-hop. Yeah, bro. Like it. And not just, like, that corny, like, honky-tongk-a-dunk kind of stuff. Hip-hop.

Hip-hip is becoming a lot more accepting, you know, cross-song. You know, cross-collaborating with, thank you, cross-collaborating with other genres, man. Because, dude, like, in the 90s, that shit wasn't flying at all. No, it was like mobbed deep or nothing. In the 90s, you had to be the super lyrical hip-pop bars, Biggie Tupac, Wu-Tang-type rapper, bro. If you didn't have bars like that, like, you know what I'm saying?

You ain't shit, bro. But now it's very accepting. It's very, like, you know. You can be a rapper and, like, talk about, you know, being influenced by Maryland Manson and, like, the, you know, shit like that, like, you know. There isn't just the uniform look and sound anymore. It's very accepting. Very accepting. One thing that's cool about, like, what you do, too, is, like, I see a lot of similarities to, like, just, like, the DIY punk scene.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. Because you're just, like, out there doing it on your own plan, wherever, wherever will have you. Yeah. So, bro, I get a lot of that influence. from me just growing up with kids that, you know,

were part of the hardcore scene, going to the skate park. You went to shows at Transitions? I wasn't going to shows, but I had homies that played in bands that would always go there. I was at the skate park, but I wasn't going to shows at transition.

I'm going to be honest with you. I appreciate that honesty. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because he was there. I was not in the pit at all. I will not lie. Your pit adjacent.

Yeah, no, I was not in the pit. But yeah, like, growing up in middle school, you know what I'm saying, middle school, high school, had a lot of homies that, you know, it was part of hardcore bands, performed the transitions, you know what I'm saying, all that shit. And just the whole skateboarder culture, mentality, all of that, it really, you know what I'm saying, it, you know, me growing up with this shit, it made me way ahead of the curve. I felt way ahead of the curve. been like a lot of these rappers now that you know a lot of these guys is just like yeah

I'm gonna watch like a million YouTube videos of hardcore bands and now I'm gonna fucking pretend like I've known about this shit like and now I got a Metallica shirt right you know what's like I feel like like like what's his name Russell Westbrook yeah dude every every Metallica eight yeah every single like rock band from the 90s NBA players It should be like, like, I feel like there should be like a, like a fine for the players for wear. Some of these outfits, bro, just looks so crazy. Except for LeBron and the Cavs when they won that last finals, when they were all wearing WWU shirts, they were all wearing, like, LeBron was wearing an Undertaker shirt.

Oh, really? That's far. Kevin Love was wearing a Stone Cold shirt. And, like, the whole, like, the top, like, four players that were all wearing, like, WW shirts. That's fine. LeBronby having some fits, though. No, he's more an Ultimate Warrior shirt

because they beat the Warriors. They wore the Ultimate Warrior shirt. LeBron be having some fits, though. What do you mean? Some fits? Yeah, some fits. Oh, outfits. Okay, yeah, yeah.

Some fits. We don't know sling. Yeah, I don't know. We're not up to date. I can't say slang that's been born in the past five years. I just sounding corny as fuck. It kind of made me thing like, damn, what do I mean? What do I mean?

This is deep. Really scraping the barrel here Let me get some sausage Help yourself Get the sausage Watch the juice Yeah those juice is flying around Do you like basketball or no

I like basketball I don't I don't I don't keep up with it a lot I'm more of a football guy Yeah But like all the-ball NASCAR Yeah all the homies watch basketball Yeah

So shit I fucking I like I'm I'm I'm I'm into it like not even at my own will like all the homies just there just by association all the homies play 2K and yeah all of that so I'm in it by association I know you're talking about it briefly before but what you were saying that you just got into playing skate three you said yeah on the original Xbox Xbox one so they

they came out with a version that's like backwards compatible so you can play it either on Xbox one to order 360. That's crazy. I wish they would start. I heard that they just came out. They just released the original Tony Hawk, too. Yeah, so that was Tony Hawk's birthday.

He announced the remaster. So, dude, I don't think I don't think I even played the original Tony Hawk's Pro Skidder. I remember playing one of them. I remember playing the one where you're in Tampa. Like, you can literally skate the fucking. The fucking spaceship. Yeah, skate park at Tampa. They had the fucking Odyssey in it.

Didn't they have brobo in there too? Yeah, they had brobo in there. Yeah, yeah. And the original? No, I think it was the second one. It was one of them, man. It was one of them. But yeah, dude, that shit's so cool because, like,

I feel like now, like, skating is coming so, like, full force back around, bro. Because, like, there was a, there was a span of time when I wasn't into skating. You know what I'm saying? Like, I felt like, you know what I'm saying? I felt like that wasn't part of me anymore just because I wasn't, like, physically skateboarding.

Right. So, like, I would have felt like a poser, like, you know what I'm saying? But, I mean, you can check the receipts, man. I was really skating, you know what I'm saying? So now it's just I'm getting influence from all of that shit. But that doesn't necessarily mean I got to, fucking be out here to skate in 20 quits on because I don't got time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't think because you're not like, you know, hitting handrails or skating at the park every day doesn't mean you can't appreciate the culture and take something from it. Yeah, yeah. Because even if you're just like on the outside of it, like contributing, you know, you need music to skate to. Yeah. People need photographers for a skateboard.

You need videographers. You need designers. Right. It isn't just about the active skateboarding. It's more of like a mindset and a culture that you can contribute to and take something away from. And to this day, man, like. Like, I don't know. I made it when, like, a pro skateboarder uses my song for their part.

Oh, yeah. Has it happened? It hasn't happened, bro. Like, I don't know. I think it's coming. It would be, like, a clip on Thrasher. Right. Dude, I saw the worst thing on Instagram yesterday.

This dude, Italio Ferreira, like, one of, like, top five pro surfers, had, like, a whole surf section to a Maryland Manson song, and it was the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, I know. Definitely did not go. If I'm thinking about a surf, it didn't mix well. No. I'm thinking about a surf part.

I'm trying to hear some like groovy. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know. I'm not trying to like listen to some like crazy like hardcore shit. You're not trying to hear the beautiful people. Me and him just got back into surfing recently. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you fall out for so long that, you know, it was a big part of who you were and who, what inspired you to be who you are today. And you get so caught up in like the day to day of just trying to like forge your path as a creative

and survive that you those things kind of fall off yeah but once you get comfortable and like through it a little bit you can look back and like oh yeah i did like doing that and that did help me get here to some point man it's part of you man like like like i said dude like i there was one point where i feel like man like this isn't like i don't skate no more like you know what i'm saying like i i feel like i i couldn't appreciate skateboarding as much as i wanted to at at some point but you know what i'm saying comes back around dude you realize you know the love that you have for it like damn like you know looking through a bunch of my old skate videos

like it's a bunch of like vimeo videos from like oh nine oh eight you know what I'm saying yeah yeah we got so many of those too yeah you just have to like allow your relationship to evolve yeah with it and it can't just be fixed on what it was at that certain point in your life yeah yeah yeah you're totally right man it's surfing hard yeah it's definitely hard

because I feel like some people do make it look really easy. I don't go. I'll be looking at it like, damn, I could do it. It's like one of those things where like you can bring a different mindset to it now. Like, like back in the day, like I never used to even think about it. I just was obsessed with doing it. Like we were just obsessed with going to travel to find amazing waves. Just what you did.

And just go and just love doing it. Like I never actually tried to be good or get better. But I feel like now like, like the part of my life that I'm in now, like I can actually focus on it and actually try to learn stuff and like improve techniques and like bring my evolution of my brain apply that to surfing like how I do everything else. Yeah. Like, have you ever surf like out in Cali? Yeah, a few times. Yeah, man.

Like, bro, anytime I've seen like a surfing video, it's out in Cali or like Hawaii. Yeah. Somewhere like that, man. All crazy remote places. Hell yeah, bro. Just right. South Africa, the West Coast of Africa. Yeah.

Yeah, dude. I want to try to learn how to surf, man. We can get you out there. We get you out there. This is the time of year where we get hurricane swells in Florida. Yeah, dude, I totally forgot about hurricane season. Mm-hmm. They're saying this is going to be like the gnarliest hurricane season in a long time.

Oh, Lord. I forgot it, bro. Just wait until phase three and four of 2020. I just got through all my corona liquor. So now I got to go get some hurricane liquor. We're going to get pummeled by hurricanes for the next three months. and then the UFOs are going to come around November or December. Yeah, nah, dude.

Like, at the very end of 2020, bro, it's just going to be like, we're going to see a fucking UFO drop down. The Earth is just going to be like, all right, I'm a head out. Later. For real, bro. We're on fucking airplane mode right now. Like the whole 2020, bro, this shit's crazy, dude. How was 2020 starting out for you before everything kind of hit the fan?

Really? All right. So 2020 for me, I'm killing this food right now. It's making me sweat. Are those eggs in there? Are those potatoes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, eggs, man. I've been dipping the eggs in the juice.

Yeah, juicy eggs. Oh, yeah. But yeah, dude, beginning of 2020 for me, I was just releasing Big Baby Earnhardt. Yeah. So, dude, my mindset was full throttle. Full throttle. I'm about to drop this album. The beer is coming out because the beer came out the same day, Thursday night.

So the album came out that night, I believe. So I was just geared up, ready to go for the year, man. And, like, I think January was pretty good. And then I think... Thank you, man. January was pretty good. And then I think the first thing that like really fucked with everybody is like fucked up everybody is Kobe, dude. Yeah, that was like late.

That was like late January, man. And I think after that, like 2020 is just, it was just like a domino effect, dude. And I feel like it was the energy. It might have been just, you know, I believe in the law of attraction and just, you know. We've been on a slippery slope ever since. Energy and, you know, shit like that, dude. And, you know, if. You think it just brought the collective.

human will down when Kobe died? I think so, dude. And like, you know, the corona shit came and then everything else. But I feel like, you know, we got to go through the bad to get to the good, you know what I'm saying, at the same time. So I got to look at it as a, you know, glass halfway full instead of halfway empty. You know what I'm saying? So a lot of people think, you know what I'm saying, like the year is just going to end like shit. but I mean, we still got six months left, man.

Six months can change your life, man. Like, who knows? I might be fucking out of here fucking famous as fuck. You know what I'm saying? End of the year, like, who knows, dude? What are you trying to do? What is you, do you have, like, a goal for one year, five years, 10 years? Like, what do you want to do with your life in the next one to five years?

I want to be entrepreneur, man. like entrepreneur definitely like music is always going to be like forefront passion like I'm like an artist first rapper first you know what I'm saying this got me my talent rapping got me into you know what I'm doing now so I'm always be rapping but I do want to eventually like you know kind of branch off and just create content along the lines of you know just like food shit and like just I don't know like funny shit man like like like same thing Andrew's doing you know not like not like interviewing or nothing like that but just having like a platform where I can just do a bunch of like silly shit you know what I'm saying and just leave

the music shit where that's at you know what I mean the music is always there and that was the launching pad for your true expressions right yeah man because like I don't want to be like my 30s. You know what I'm saying? He's checking the AC because it's a million degrees in here. Oh, wow. So this is big baby scumbag. That's Curtis.

Curtis, do you want some crab or a Bud Light? Yeah. We got Bud Light and crab legs. Yeah, man. You're welcome. We got sausage, boiled peanuts, white claw. Corn. Corn.

Can't help you there. Yeah, sorry. We go to timeout and check for you, though. Pinellas Park's like 20 minutes away from here. These muscles are delicious. Yeah. The muscles are fire. Shows how crispy crab.

Crispy Crabb always coming through. Crispy Crab with a K. They big-timed us on Instagram, didn't they? No, they commented on us. I mean, they kind of big-timed us. We, like, shouted them out, and they, like, liked the comment. If I did something. They didn't follow back, though.

They didn't follow back. She wants some muscles. Dude, I'll go to Mr. and Mrs. Crabb and get, like, a pound of crawfish and kill that shit. They just give it to you in, like, a, a, grocery bag, right? It's a big-ass bag, yeah. Really? It's a big-ass grocery bag, and, like, they give you, like, a bucket with, like, gloves

and shit, but I like, I like, I like, fuck the gloves, man. Yeah, nah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck the gloves, man. Fuck a plate. Fuck the gloves. I don't even, bro, like, I don't even use the bib because they give you, like, a bib. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Fuck that, too, bro. Like, I'm in there, bro. Fingernails dirty or all that. You don't do it while you play in video games, though, right? You do it while you play in video games? You eat the fucking crawfish while you're playing? playing like skate three i can't no bro like what was like the biggest pet pee for me when i was a kid playing video games with my brother my older brother and like he would be so messy like eating

hot pockets fucking grabbing the controller there's like hot pocket juice all on the fucking joy stick yeah like i can't do it how do you eat a hot pocket and play video game i mean that's not even that bad a hot pocket or like a pizza roll like the fucking you know what sense yeah your hands are still getting greasy as shit there's fucking pizza to roll grease all on the controller. Chances are there's a mountain. This kid that we know, he's a professional Fortnite player. He eats crab, just like this from Krispy Krab, while he's playing Fortnite.

Like, he plays on the computer, so he's got, like, the keyboard and the mouse. And he's got, like, the full-on, like, garbage bag over his body with the holes in it for his arms. That's badass. Pretty sick. Yo, I've seen this picture of this kid. He's playing Fortnite. and like he has his feet like his toes are like pointing up against the wall like his back is up against the wall like this and like he's like it's kind of like some airbender

shit bro the way he's playing what he's just levitating yeah like bro like my nephews are really good at that game too are they they eat sleep breathe fortnight bro like they they oh what you ever play shit is crazy I'm all right are you are you I'm all right, but it's like, I got to already, like, be playing for a little bit. Like, I got a warm up for sure. Yeah, yeah, I got a warm up to it. But my nephews, they'll be on that shit all day. Like, literally, like, when they come stay with me for a couple nights, bro, they'll be up until, like, 5 o'clock in the morning.

Just yelling on the microphone. I'm like, bro, like. It's so addicting that fucking game, man. Hey, man, that game, man. Like, I don't remember a game like that when we were younger. How about the Travis Scott concert, James Bond. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, HALO was for sure, yeah. I think Gears, Halo.

Yeah, Gears and Halo was like the game of my generation where, like, kids were just. Gears won? Crazy. What about Quake? Quake, that might have been early 2000s. Yeah, yeah, that was like, yeah, yeah, that was like, my era was like, 2006, 7, 8, And then Splinter Cell, I was really addicted to Splinter Cell. Yeah, yeah, Splinter Rainbow Six.

Yep, yep, Tom Clancy Games. Yeah, all that shit, bro. I got a PS1 and I have the original Rainbow Six. And, like, bro, like, I'm stuck on the first. Like, I'm like, what the fuck do you do, bro? So, yeah, no, I gave up on that shit. But not, it's a pretty, like, I love old school games, but a lot of old school games, they're very, like,

like boring stale i mean like back then i'm pretty sure it was like the coolest shit ever but i'll play like uh what game for instance uh oh my god i was playing um nbola like 97 nbola basketball 97 oh my god there's some shit and i was like yo there's nothing like two kids no we're far off ball's squeaks when it is like, for the dribble. We're far away from 2K. Yeah.

Some of those old games are super hard, though. I still love playing all the old Mega Man's. And I have the legacy collection. I've gotten it for every system I've ever gotten. So I've gotten it for, like, PS2, PS3. I got it for Nintendo Switch, and I'm probably going to get it for PS4. But there's just something really comforting

about visiting those old games that you grew up with that you could beat with your eyes closed. Yeah, bro. Really nice to play. My homie's really into Mega Man. He has one of those for the PS2, and, like, he can beat this shit. Like, he said, like, with his eyes closed. They just run through it.

That's wild. Yo, how are you doing this right now? The music is super underrated on that stuff, too. Yeah, man, like, a lot of, what's cool is when I got into, so, like, I was into Zelda. Like, I was into, like, I was, like, a little bit into Legend of Zelda. They're super into Zelda, too. Breath of the Wild. Did you play for Switch?

Oh, no. haven't, that's the only game I haven't played for the switch. Dude, surprisingly. I've probably put in like 200 hours on that game. It's so good. Have you beat it? Like, are you doing, like... Yeah, beat it.

Okay, okay. But there's like, you know, it's just like any game like that. There's so many different ways you can beat it. You can just, like, work through it. Or you can just fuck off and do all the side quests and, like, cook food for two hours. Dude, like, I was a fan of Legend of Zelda. Like, I was playing it a little bit. And then what's cool is, like, when I started getting into music,

and like hearing certain beats and I'm like oh shit that's from that that's from that video game where like like my homies will get me into anime like certain animas and then I'll hear beats or shit and be like yo that's where that came from

like a keyboard sound yeah like it'll be the most like minuscule thing and I'm like yo that sounds really like I'll be watching the anime with my girl and like like a certain like series of like sounds they're playing And I'm like, oh shit.

That happened to me last week. I mean, I'm so fucking out of, like, relevance as far as, like, hip hop right now. But it happened to me last week. I was listening to randomly in the background. I had this Apex Twin album playing. And one of straight up, it was a Kanye instrumental from his latest album. I think it was from the Pablo album, Life of Pablo. And it was the same instrumental.

Like, he literally just bought the, bought the, the track from AFX Twin. I forget what song it was. But I instantly knew. I'm like, this is the Kanye. This is the same fucking Kanye song. He didn't even sample it. No.

He just straight up copped it. He just said, let me cop that. He probably added like one little thing to it. Yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah, I'm done. But it's, I mean, it's like the perfect, it's the perfect combination. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like Aifex Twin beats or Affects twin like his instrumentals and, you know, if anything, it's like Clams Casino and Lil B. Yeah. Like the perfect combo. My gosh. What? When we talk about producer rapper duos, they're in like top five, man.

One of the greatest of all time. I'm God. Are you kidding me? Okay. Top five producer rapper duos. Lil Be and clams. Let me say Rizzen Woutang. Waka flak and Lex Luger.

Mm-hmm. Gucci Man and... Gucci Man and Zay. Yep. Gucci Man and Zay. And then last but not least, I'm going to say... Metro Boomin and whoever he's working with. I'm going to say Metro Boomin and Young Thug.

I remember, well, no, I can't even say that because Thug, like, Thug got just as many shit with TM88, Southside. That without warning album? All those guys. So it's like, it's a toss. but yeah man shouts out little b shots out clams bass god hell yeah man yeah that that stuff brings back man that was like a whole era of my life that little b clams casino era they were just listening to lizzie and clams but violate that bitch right before you got here oh yeah we were jamming that right for you guys that's probably my favorite little big song hey it just sounds like it's everything just sounds like

it's maxing out bro he had bass and everything all the same time he had that tight ass purple v-neck longs the v-neck belly button shirt Yo. Yo, what the fuck? Lobe. What's going on with LoB? Lobe is... Lobe is tight, man.

Lobe is like... Lobe might be an alien, dude. I don't know, bro. Like... Him and Elon Musk came from the same planet? Dude, Loeby is incredible. Like, he has time to do, like... He has time to, like, be on Twitter all day, Instagram, all day, reply to all of his

fans. Retweet everything, like everything. He replies to DMs. Replies that everybody's. DMs, do all this shit. On top of that, drop like a hundred song mixtapes. Like, every couple

months, like, bro, like Little Beas to this day, one of the hardest working. You know what I'm saying? Artists out there. Definitely. Like... He's definitely out there. Like, dude, I remember...

Okay, so when I was in, like, the fifth grade, that's when Vans came out with the pack. and I remember back then, dude, like, no black kids were wearing vans, man. So, like, they, they, they put that shit at the forefront, like, yo, like, this is what we do. Like, we skate, we wear vans. We're going to make this shit cool. This is what we do, you know what I'm saying?

And I looked at it as, like, damn, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can be yourself. Like, you can have your own taste. Like, you don't got to rock fucking. the Jordans and the Air Forces and, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, you get a lot of shit for it. You know, I got a lot of shit for skateboarding and then growing up.

But yeah, dude, like when Lil B started doing his solo thing, it was the same shit where it was like, you know, when he started the bass movement and being bass is basically being whoever you are, just being you. You know what I'm saying? Just, you know, just not really. trying to impress anybody or you know what I'm saying Did you see when he went on ESPN And he wore the dress with the ears?

Yeah exactly Yeah no He was bro he was on Sports Center ESPN I think he was on I think it was the NBA finals And I had Lil B as a guest speaker on sports center

Like in the middle of like the most watched Like the most Like the part of the year when like May, June during the NBA finals is like when ESPN gets probably its highest viewership of the year and they pick like celebrities to come on there

once a week to talk about sports and talk about their favorite fans. They had little B on there wearing a full purple blouse with long earrings and like a, it was like a sun dress and it was like a like a lot like a fucking round ass hat. Like a round ass sombrero. Like a sun hat.

Like a sun hat. Yeah, it was a sun hat. It was something, bro. Yeah, no. He's on another, another. Is that when he dropped the curse? Yeah, yeah, no. Was that? Yeah.

I think that was when he lifted the curse. Because he dropped the curse on Kevin Durant before that because Kevin Durant wouldn't play him in one-on-one. Yeah. And then Kevin Durant called him whack on Twitter. Yeah. And then. So he showed up in a dress.

When he finally showed up, that was when KD came back to, came to the Warriors. Yeah. So he was like, KD came to the bay. I'm lifting the curse on KD. Yeah. And he won. Andy won. Twice.

Little B made a mixtape called Hoop Life. And basically just the whole shit was based around. Like he wasn't dissing Kevin Durant on the whole shit. But like he dedicated like, fuck Kevin Durant. Yeah. Like that whole. I remember that song. I remember that.

I've been playing that. We used to play that in the office. We're playing ping pong every time. The video, he's in a basketball court, in the video, like hooping his shit. Yeah. Play me in a game in one-on-one. It's really fun. Yo, y'all seen a video of Lil B and he's like, he's crying in the pet store.

Yes. Yo, I love that video, bro. That is the best. That's my shit, dude. I'll be feeling like that in the pet store now. Now that I got a lizard. I be in there like, he's crying. You're like, damn, this shit is so beautiful.

Oh. Yeah, there's really something about, something to be said about Lil B and like that whole attitude of just not taking yourself seriously at all and just doing the most wacky out there shit and just putting it out there and seeing what happens like little b he did it in a way where it was like his whole everything he it seemed like he was talking about something that was just completely out there but then you could almost like Gucci before he went to prison he almost did the same thing where his lyrics were just so absurd like higher than giraffe pussy Gucci was saying shit like that

It's just like so Ridiculous I got Gucci's a Autobiography I don't know if Autobiography is when they write it right Yeah I think auto is when you write it Yeah

Okay so I got Gucci's Well no I don't think he But it's in it's basically in first person It's like it's like him You know I'm saying talking about shit So Anyway yeah like he talks about like All that shit like before he went to jail

Like he was A lot of drugs dude You know what I'm saying And like when he went to jail He lost all that weight He stopped drinking lean and shit You know what I'm saying So yeah dude

It's like It's it You know drugs Definitely cloud your mind You know what I'm saying Yeah you got his mind back Once he stopped doing all that But I mean you got it

You can't deny the fact That was some of his best work When he was fucked up I feel like It's the most influential I would say influential Like with the stuff knows But like the early on stuff

The most influential for sure Because he got some shit now and I'm like, damn, this shit is a hard. But yeah, I would say classic. It's not classic Gucci, that was, yeah, stuff, no, whatever. It's too much, too much ecstasy. Pregnant belly Gucci.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, pregnant belly, stuffy nose Gucci, me. Congested. Classic, man. That's what a lot of my shit was influenced by, you know, early on, like jelly was a beat by Puller Boy Shadi. and that was that was

if you if you looked up Gucci main type beat in the dictionary the jelly beats right there that's the very first that's the definition

right there dude so how would you describe a Gucci man beat uh man uh very it sounds like

you're in like a like a church like a hood church it's like the it's like the Zathoven Keys playing It's like the organ keys, you know. Gucci.

Yeah. Yeah. I think of it. I feel like. It's large. Yeah. Like, shot how Zaytole, man. He can play a piano.

Or that, that stupid beat. Yeah. Yeah. Boop boop. Sounds like a cartoon. See my chain, stupid. You know, my eyes stupid. Yellow rain stupid.

That's my favorite Gucci beat. Yo, my favorite Gucci beat. Either that or the original first day out Where he's in that The music video for the original first day out I'm starting off my day with a blunt up That shitty dark video Where he sit in the RV in the empty

Walgreens part Or the Walmart parking lot Yeah there's two of them Yeah Because there's one that he's in a tour van Like he's all Gucci down and shit Yeah In the tour van

I think Waka Flaka I had the same video in that tour van Because WakaFlock had a video in a tour van It's called still standing. It was like the intro to LeBron Flaka James. But yeah, man, I know that whole catalog front the back,

man. Like, all Gucci shit, all vodka shit. Play the big influence, dude. You can hear it. I mean, a lot of rappers that come out with, like, in the, like, the meme style, like, that you immerse yourself in. Like, they don't have the, like,

aggression and delivery that you have. And you can really hear that Southern rap in you, where you're just like, in the, like, in the mic and it sounds like you're going to like jump through the headphones. The cameras right there. Mm-hmm. Can you like zoom in on this crab leg? Yeah, yeah, we can zoom in on it.

It's zoomed in. Hold it closer to the mic. Wait, I'll tell you where you're at. There you go right there. That's going to catch up. I want to pull out a beautiful piece of meat right there. I'm going to pull out like a perfect one. It's clean.

I haven't done it yet. I've been pulling out just a little. Every crab leg, it's better. Yeah, no, for sure. I want to put this on like a trophy stand. That's like the long. Hold it up. Well, it'll use it as your thumb.

Do you like your crazy face? I'll do a picture real quick of it. Yeah, yeah. No, very proud of it. But yeah, man, I feel like, so Juvenile Hell was all produced by Lex Luger. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And I was just pretty, the most of real shit that could ever happen at that point in my career.

That opening song is aggressive. Like Juvenile Hill, actual song? That song is. Yeah, I, bro. So, I told Lil B, I was like, yo, I really want you to be on this tape. But I knew that, like, it might have not met the deadline for him to, like, get his verse in. So I was just like, yo, like, instead, just, like, record, like, a voice memo and send it to me. It was, like, an intro or whatever, like a skit.

So he was like, all right, I bet. So, yeah, nah, put that on top of the song at the beginning. And it was a rap, dude. but yeah man working with Lex was the most surreal shit just from like listening to him back in the day to like making music with him it was like bro like hard in the paint

yeah I feel like like the first like the first few times I had texted Lex I was like yo like is this really you yeah I was like yo I've been listening to you since the ninth grade bro like yo it's so crazy yeah I think a weird thing you got You got to, like, not mark out to them too hard.

And you got to kind of be cool at the same time. You kind of, you got to find the balance. So they don't, they don't be like, fucking nerdy. Yeah. Yeah, remember to be yourself and remember that they're people, too. There's a lot of dudes now, and I'm just like, I'll be texting them and I'm just like, yo, just be cool, bro. Yeah.

Just be cool. It's chill. It's fine. Well, like, I'll be, yo, like, I'll be texting a little B, like, his own lyrics. Like, I'll be like, young days guy, Kay straight for the bitch. I'll text him out of nowhere, bro. Like, that's some dumbass. What does he say to you when you text him that?

Left on red. He's always like, love, fam. Love, man. Love, man. I appreciate it. Yeah, man. It was down the earth dude ever. I talked to him on the phone once.

Yeah. And he was going to come do that. We're going to do the podcast. He was going to do an episode of the podcast. Work, work. But I was going to go up to him. This was like two years ago. You saw him speak out of college.

Oh, yeah. We did. Oh. He spoke at a... He gave a symposium. He did one of those lectures at UF in Gainesville. This was like five years ago, maybe six years ago. Yeah.

Yeah, he, yo, he was on the road with those college lectures. Yeah, he was... It was unreal how many people packed that little auditorium to listen to him talk. Yeah, man. It was crazy. Like, what's so sick is like... He's really, and he's a big influence on people. What did you talk about it, that thing?

I don't know. He just talked about... his like creative process, how he comes up with stuff, how like he motivates himself to create music from when he was younger to where he is now and like where he is in his life now. Like he talked about like his big life events, like his house burning down. That kind of stuff. I don't know.

It was a long time ago. But it was really cool. He spent like the whole lecture was maybe an hour. And he spent at least another hour just taking pictures and talking to people afterward. Yeah, hell yeah, bro. Yeah, it was awesome. The people's chant, man. He really is.

And the line at that thing, it started at like 8 o'clock at night. And the line at UF and to go to that little auditorium, like, went out of the whole camp. It was the first time I've been into a real college. Came out the whole campus outside and wrapped around half the building. Wow. That's fire, yo. Yeah, we stole two of our friends' IDs to get in there. Yo.

UF. Gainesville. Shout out to them. Yo, my homie had let me borrow Lil'Bee's book, his book that he wrote at 19. Right. I remember listening to Lil B back in the day. And Lil B would be like, yeah, like, I'm the first rapper to ever write a book at the age of 19. Blah, blah, blah.

You do a good impersonation of them. Yeah, you do. Yeah. It's really good. This is my voice for everybody. It actually sounds like Lil B. It's like real, like, genuine and like I care and a little soft. That's my voice for everybody.

no matter male, female, whatever. But yeah, like, he would be like, yeah, first rapper to write a book at 19. I was like, damn, like, how do I get this book? And, like, the book is so rare. It's called Taking Over. Super rare. It's called. Ultra rare.

Yeah, no, it's called Taking Over. And I remember a good friend of mine's NetArp from a, he produced a lot of stuff for Pete. He's part of GBC. I was in L.A. it was like two years ago and he was like yo I got I have that book because like he's a really big little B fan too

so I was like yo like could I please follow this and he was like yeah bro so yeah dude I'm reading the book and a lot of stuff in the book like it's so like it's so like authentic dude

like there's typos in the book there's hella typos and shit as if like he just wrote all of this shit in his iTunes notes. Yeah. It's just like a stream of conscience. Yeah, no, like there's so many like misspelled words and shit. Where did he get the book?

I'm not sure. Like, I don't know where they were selling this book when it came out. But it's super rare now. Like, yeah. You can't find that shit anywhere, dude. But, yeah, no, it's so, it's so authentic. And, like, it basically, he's telling people, like, how he started out. and like, you know, the base lifestyle and what that is.

And, like, he talks about meeting too short and getting signed to a label for the first time and all that shit. But, yeah, man, it's very inspiring. Very inspiring. Love love. Shalt, Lil'Bee. Shows out, bass, God. What was it like having somebody like that to look up to? Because, I mean, you even said something about, like, even wearing vans was enough to get made fun of.

Yeah. So, like, to have somebody who comes out, like, Lil B, say, like, no, it's okay for you to be who you want to be. Yeah in this industry What was that like? It's a It was a few people That was on that shit too

Like There was like It was like Pharrell And like N-E-R-D You know what I'm saying And you know That whole shit

And there was like Dude like Kanye Like Kanye Like Kanye was Yeah So Left the oddball You know what I'm saying

Like wearing polos And Louis Vuitton backpack So You know what I'm saying All that shit Nobody was Dap Dave Chappelle.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking up too. That was my first introduction to Kanye. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So it's a handful of people that was doing that. So it was, it fueled the fire. You know what I'm saying? It was like, all right. It's okay.

Yeah, like, you don't have to, you don't have to be some tough guy. All the time. No. You know what I'm saying? Or act like you have all this money. Yeah. Yeah, no, because a lot of these rappers are out here. act like you're already driving a Bentley.

A lot of these rappers are trying to sell a dream, man. And it's so, like, you know, it's corny, bro. It's all smoking mirrors, dude. Yeah, it really is. That's the one thing that I wish would change. I don't know. It's just the one thing that I never found, like, cool about the culture of, like, hip-hop videos. Or, I mean, it's not just the videos.

I mean, it's obviously everything about it. But it's, I think it's changing, but it's always been, like, show that you have so much more than what you really have. And it's always been about just like making the money or having the cars and having the chains, having the ice, all that. That's like the meat of the content for a lot of people. I feel like that started when, because in the 90s, it wasn't really like that. Like in the 90s, it was like, early 90s. Killen. Early 90s was, you know, I sold drugs.

Like, I'm selling all these drugs. You know what I'm saying? It was about that. It wasn't really about like how many holes you have, what car you was driving. Yeah. It was about how hardcore like. But there's also, I mean, on the other side of it,

there's also like the fake it till you make it thing. You know, if that's what you really want and you want to put that out there, then that could end up being what you want. For example, when I help Rod Wave, shoot one of his first videos, we let him borrow Marks Bentley. because he needed a car for it. So he had a rain,

Mark had a range over into Bentley, and we let him drive the Bentley down the street, walk into the store in downtown St. Pete, and he literally let him drive the Bentley with these girls in it or whatever. And Rodwayneb couldn't afford a Bentley. I don't even think he had a car when we shot that video.

And now, I guarantee you he could buy a fleet of Bentley's. No, no, for sure. For sure. Yeah, manifestation, for sure. That's how I always looked at. It's like, I think it's more, like, aspirational and like that whole secret thing where you're just like you will it into existence so you just keep repeating it yeah repeating it yeah for

repeating it yeah always having it in your head always have it in your head wake up thinking about it go to sleep thinking about it yeah it's definitely it's definitely it's a motivation thing yeah it's a goal motivation people they want to see that they associate that with moving ahead and getting to like getting out of where they are and moving to like the next level everyone's got a mantra whether it's like negative whether it's like negative whether You think, like, I can't do this. This isn't working. Or whether your mantra is, I got a Bentley, a million dollars, and 10 bitches. Whatever you think you're going to do and get, you're going to get eventually. Fuck that. If you think that's shallow and lame, then, you know, whatever.

Don't judge people. That's what you want. Go get it. Yeah, dude. There's, yeah, man. Just live your truth and be positive and don't mess with other people. Dude, like, there's this rapper named Viper. I don't know if y'all know who Viper is.

I don't think I know. Never heard of them. But there's, it's like, he's probably like this 40-some-year-old rapper. 47? 40-some. 40-something. I don't even know. But at one point, he had in his bio the first trillionaire rapper.

Hell yeah. See, that's, that is legit. Is it this guy with the shoe? Yes, that's Viper. Oh, my God, Viper. Where does he live? Whoa, look at this fly. Hey, my homie, Dean, shouts out the D.

And he showed me this dude. The first trillionaire rapper. I got that album. He had on his, he had on the buyer of Christ trillion. Yo, who is that group? I don't even want to think. I don't want to even try to go down

this rabbihole right now. No, let's do it. We're already here. I can't even think of the name of them. They're like, they're like, they're not the, they're, I want to say they do a lot of shows with the suicide boys.

They're called, it's like, it's like three dudes, and they go on stage and they scream and they make weird sounds. The lead dudes, He's got like this big afro and he's like, makes these like,

fucking belches into the microphone and screams. What the fuck is that band called? The, it's the something. That's narrowing it down. Google the. Maybe we'll find it. Bands that start with the. All right.

It's narrowing. See, that's why I didn't want to bring this up because I knew we never find it. They work through it. And they play with suicide boys? Mm-hmm. Man, I'm not, dang it. Nothing's coming to me

Yeah Shots out suicide boys I've seen them I've seen them perform for the first time Last Last August Me and Pablo was out in the L.A He was out there for like a week

And on the PR That we was working with They also do work for suicide boys So they was like Yeah like We can get you in a suicide boy show If you want Because they're here for the weekend

And actually there was performing at the same venue twice. So one, they performed Friday night and Saturday night at the same venue just because the first night, they fucking sold out. You know what I'm saying? They ran the same fucking show back the next day. So I was like, oh shit, hell yeah. Like, I'm down because, like, I'd already knew Scrim, Scrim and Ruby.

Yeah. They had hit me up a few months ago, you know what I'm saying? And so I was like, oh, shit, okay, we're able to meet them. Yo, this show was nuts, bro. Like, so we're, like, on the balcony looking down at the show. And when they, like, any time they said open up the pit, there wasn't just one mosh pit. It was literally, like, seven, eight different circles. Wow.

Within one big one, because there's one, just huge one. And then there's other, like, multiple pits, like, You ever seen anything like that? I've seen stuff like that, yeah. It's amazing to see it. It's hypnotizing. Yeah. We're at the top balcony just looking at everything like, yo, this is cool.

That's why. It's power. In L.A., where you're at the Wiltern? Yeah, what venue was that? I don't even know, dude. No one I can think of an L.A. that has a double story like that as a will turn. Never seen nothing like that in L.A. It was big as hell, too.

Ran in the Kenny Beach there for the first time. Shout to how Kenny beats. Oh, Kenny beat. Huh? Oh, shit. You said what? Oh, my God. Oh, fuck.

What was that? Sounds like a nightmare. Yeah, it does sound like a nightmare. Yo. Damn. Yo, so, like, even getting into that show was, like, so stressful because, like, when we had went there, Pablo had brought his camera, and he had asked me, he was like, yo, is it cool if I bring my camera?

And I was like, yeah, yeah, no, bro. It's fine. Bring your camera. So we fucking get there and we talked to the people at a at will call. We're like, yeah, like we're on the list, whatever. And they're like, okay, you're on the list, but you can't bring the camera in. So we're just stuck with this camera. And now we got to wait for the people at our PR to get there.

And they had to talk to a bunch of people. And it was a lot for a camera, but I get it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's bullshit. Because we did get in there for free, and we got the best seats in the house. And he filmed it. And you filmed it. Right.

Or it took pictures. Yeah. Yeah, no, that shit was lit. How often you guys shoot videos? Pretty often. For, like, how many songs that you do you make a video for? Yeah. Like, in a lot of shit that there's a lot of videos that are in the ball that, like, have never been released.

and a lot of videos that are unfinished. So there's a lot of concepts that we start working on. Probably don't finish. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And a lot of shit that like that we did a couple years ago and we look back on now and we're just like, we don't really want to drop that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We'll feel different about it now. Yeah, yeah. We'll just let it, you know, eventually. Yeah, yeah. We got a video. Was that the Pub sub song? Jeez. Yeah.

man. Yeah, nah, I was drunk as hell in Publix. I mean, haven't we all that? You're not a real Floridian unless you've been drunk as hell in public. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Were you grazing? What was that? I was, I was.

Grazing is when you get fucked up in Publix when you first you got to crack a four pack of some sort of beer. And then you go up and down the aisles while you're shopping, you eat the food. And then you just leave the cart. So you're drinking the four pack in the public. You're drinking the four pack. You keep that right in the front of the beer. the cart, drink your beer, and then you

go up and down the aisles, and while you're shopping, you just eat food while you're shopping. And then you leave and you just leave everything behind. You don't pay for anything. Nah, I was already fucked up before I got down. This was set in stone, and like, I think we went back there twice just

to reshoot it. Yeah, because they usually come down on you when he's tried to film in there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was funniest. I had so I got this little build-aw. And, like, Chan, I got a name tag for the Little Bill doll. So, yeah, man. That's a cover.

My little Bill is officially a public's employee. I don't even think I got the name tag anymore, dude. But, yeah, shout out Chan, man. What is it, show me? The Pub Sub. Is this? Oh, okay. Little Bill, yeah.

That's fucked up. Well, God damn, we just did two hours, big baby scum, bag? Really? It fucking flew by, man. Yeah. We just went through it. Exactly two hours? How many minutes? That was about two hours exactly, I think.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I got one last question. What is it actually like touring for you? Because I have my tour experience and I just want to know what your tour experience is like because I'm like coming at it from like,

I bought a van off the Craigslist and then we would play shows and usually sleep wherever we played like on the floor or in somebody's kitchen or like in a basement with no air conditioning all our money was spent on just like drugs and cheap beer and gas like I want to know like as like a rock star for sure crack rock maybe so like I want to know like what the experience is as like a DIY hip hop artist it's pretty chill man like okay like for me me personally It's like, I don't smoke, but all of my homies smoke, like, well, Paulo doesn't smoke you. Like, occasionally, well, at the time of, yeah, not, at the time that we was on tour,

Apollo wasn't smoking. So it was two people that didn't smoke on the bus. Everybody else fucking. You had a bus? Yeah, we had like a van, like a fucking sprinter. Mercedes Sprinter at that. Damn. Hey, you talk about Rockstar.

God, damn, Mercedes Sprinter. That shit was a Ford. It wasn't the mistake? It was a Honda Civic. Old Gatorade bottles in the back. It was something, bro. All right. So our DJ, right?

So this might have been right after a show, bro. I don't know why Chuck was even driving. So our DJ was driving, right? And we get to Seattle. And we're at our Airbnb. Our DJ is backing up. And he fucking Yeah, not

There's a backup camera on the There's clearly a backup camera That must have been a sprinter He wasn't using the shit Yeah, nah So, bro, he busted one of the windows So there's two back windows For each door

There's a window for this door And then a window for the other door And he buses one of the fucking windows In the back, dude And like, I remember The van being with a broken window For like The whole torque

Because Yeah Trash bag on it Seattle was like the third or fourth stop Bro That was like a 20 city tour Oh yeah Yeah

Yeah We yeah we had a fucking trash bag Fucking taped on And like all you were here When we was on the highway Yeah But no Tour was cool man

Like Really like that was my first My tour Oliver Francis 2018. That was my first nationwide tour because I had

always been on I'd always been on tours like throughout Florida like three, four or five dates at a time but nothing like 20 city tour Yeah,

like out. Three international dates. So for me it was just like I rode with the punches man like I didn't care about shit like Yeah.

Because really it wasn't even it wasn't that bad it was some days that we did sleep in the van, but it was just like that whole experience for me. It was just like whatever, dude. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, because you're not

just going through it alone, man. Like, a lot of the homies that were on the bus experiencing the same shit. So, you know what I'm saying? Not only that, but it was like we were all just excited to have the opportunity to be on tour.

You're there. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're here. Like, you know. It's something that you've thought about for so long. It's like, I just want to go on tour like what is that like what is that like and then you're there yeah and you're just you're living in it yeah man like shaking hands and shit with like all your fans and just just the interacting and it's like well like every show like I would look into the crowd and it would be that one moment like time would just like freeze and in my head I'll be like yo this shit is fucking crazy yeah I'd be like Yo, like, I would be, like, my body would be there, and I would be performing going along with the words and shit.

But my head was like, yo, like, what the fuck is going? Right. I'm a, what? I'm rapping. Like, I'm doing all of this. Like, you got to remind yourself sometimes. Yeah. Just like, stop thinking about it.

It's a lot of, it'll, a lot of shit happen. Like, it'll be a lot of shit. And, like, it'll, like, snap in my head, like, whoa, like, it's real. You know what I'm sure? I can't think of nothing at the top of the time. top of my head but yeah dude like being on tour was a great experience and uh actually what's so crazy is uh me and oliver were supposed to be back on the road um but this quarantine thing had happened uh so that's postponed but yeah man that's coming real soon yeah things will pick

back up for you yeah yeah yeah hell yeah well let's shoot let's fucking uh when the shit in the world starts getting back together let's let's make something Let's make a collab and make some sort of video Whether it'd be like a, We were talking about like a little mini documentary Or let's link up with me and Pablo and Luke We'll try to collab on some sort of cool shit together It'd be fun

If it's just some dumb graphics or memes Yeah dude like we can Oh man we can like Document the next project Because I just now, I just now Throughout quarantine I just finished up this new project So yeah man Let's document the next one

You know, everything, dude. I want to get some shots at the brewery. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I did want to ask you all of your stuff. Have you released? I mean, I don't think you have released, like, a full-length, like, single project album, have you? Yeah.

So, okay, so Juvenile, how old, that was more of like a mixtape. Just a collab with Lex Lugar. Right. Big Baby Earnhardt was a full-length album. That was nine tracks. that had Toy Story I had Nicole Ritchie with Little B

Yeah I had What was the Dale Earnhardt remix with a little Aaron So yeah It had a few But when you came up with that project though Did you have like

Was it preconceived to be like that Like did you have in mind Exactly what you wanted to do Like had you or was it just kind of like Spur the moment You just want you know You had a bunch of ideas And you just wanted to get them out

And then just package them up into one project. Honestly, okay, so juvenile hell, I feel like that only showcased just a little bit

of what I could do because, because obviously shit evolves, right? I mean, obviously you have an idea and then it evolves into something

or like, like one project could just be like a certain part of your life, like the way you're feeling, the way you're feeling in that year or whatever.

Yeah, yeah. Juvenile hell is very, it goes back to like the old walker shit. You know what I'm saying? It was very influential. influenced by all of that. You know what I'm saying?

Like that whole project was produced by Lex, you know, so it was cohesively all the same sounds. So I didn't really showcase any other attributes that I had as an artist. You know what I'm saying? And it didn't really show through juvenile health. So with Big Baby Earnhardt, it was like, all right, this is a fucking open play field.

Like, you know what I'm saying? This is, you know, all types of different producers. You know what I can work with whatever. Big Baby Earnhardt came from the Dale Earnhardt, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. The Dale Earnhardt single. So it was kind of like a prelude or a sequel to that single. That's why the remix is on there with a little Aaron.

Yeah, man. So I just felt like I had to, you know, just bring shit back to that. And, you know what I'm saying? Give fans a full-length project, you know. Do you like doing full-length projects versus just doing, like, spur of the moment singles? It depends. It depends because like,

uh, when I first started, it was just single, single, single, single, yeah, single single. And then like, which has got to be fun to do it that way.

Yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. And then like, growing as an artist, uh, it kind of, more thought,

more work to do a full link. Yeah. And like, because I was doing that for like, two and a half years straight, just single out of this. single out to single. And I

feel like I was doing that because I didn't know how to make a project. I didn't know how to make some like cohesive shit all the way through. I was just so used to the, okay, single, boom.

Let's get it done. You know what I'm saying? So that was just my anxiety as an artist. You know what I'm saying? And that's the way I was doing it. Now I'm juggling both of them and I'm getting better at making

full-length projects and have, it from the start to finish like Paulo was just over at my crib the other day and like I was like yo I'm gonna play every single song front the back in the order that I think it should sound

you know let me know what you think and yeah man just that's two bouncing ideas off of each other and should and yeah so yeah I feel like I feel like the right balance of singles and projects

should be done like I really like making projects now. Yeah. Just because, like, I got a lot of shit that's, I wouldn't say it's not single material, but it's like, let me, for an example, there's this song on Big Baby Earnhardt, and it's called Niggas in Sweden. And it's an interview. I love that. I love that shit.

So it's a, it's a whole, it's a loop. It's a whole loop of a sample. My homie Katie Cutthrow had sampled it. and I couldn't have released that as a single. You know what I'm saying? Like it had to have been in the project. It fits in the project. It flows with it.

Right. I got a lot of ideas and shit that are like that. And it's like, I want to put that type of shit out because that's just some extra. So do you think you could evolve Big Baby Scumbags character and brand as you create new albums? Like as you create new albums, you think Big Baby Earnhardt could completely turn into somebody else? Definitely. Because I work with so many different producers. I got a lot of homies that are at Mad Decent.

Low-key, I've been working with a lot of people from that. Pizza slime? Not pizza slime. I'm going to say Ricky Remedy. R. Yee. Lyon. Diplo, of course, Valentino Khan. Yeah, now those guys over there, they got some fire shit. And I haven't, you know, I haven't posted no snippets.

I'm very like me I'm very like you get it when you get it like yeah it's ready yeah so yeah man it can easily evolve into something else man I feel like I'm not always say this I feel like that one Pokemon the the purple one that like can fucking transform into dido he fucking like transforms into whatever dude like Toy Story bro like I said like that like when I made Toy Story it was like me mocking a country song. Yeah. Let me see what's up in this space. Yeah, like if I made a country song,

this is what it would sound like, you know what I'm saying? It was more like that. So now I'm taking the shit seriously like, okay, let me try to make different genres of songs. Like, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes you got to chase those thoughts when you have them as a creative. Otherwise, you just keep telling yourself no.

And if you keep telling yourself no over and over again, then you're never going to get anything new out. Yeah. Yeah, because the rapping, the rapping shit, like, you got to have to, like, you got to do other shit and then come back to the rapping stuff because, man, like, I've been stuck in Riders Block so many times, like, just from rapping. Yeah. And then, like, I try something else, and it's just, like, it clicks, man. It's like, damn, like, the fuck. So I think, I think with rapping, it is a lot about trying too hard.

Like, if you're trying too hard with the rapping shit, then it's not. not going to come up. You know what I'm saying? Because with... What do you mean? When you say trying too hard, what do you mean by that? Just what rhymes, like, what word rhymes with this? You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, shit like that. Because with pop music or with country music or whatever, it's not really about what word rhymes with what, you know what I'm saying? With those genres, it's more about just the vibe of that shit. Like, rap is the only genre where people are worried about the shit actually rhyming. You know what I'm saying? That's what I mean by just trying too hard with the rap, you know?

When I focused on doing other shit, it was like, oh, man, like, I don't got to worry about fucking be rhyming with... It just comes to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not more... more so about the shit rhyming, but the shit just making sense all together. And you can make any word rhyme with any word.

I mean, on the new Gunna album, the little baby rhymes like Buick with like, he says, Burek to make it rhyme with something. I've definitely, Gucci always does that too. Yeah, it was like you can bend words to fit what you want,

and you can bend them to fit whatever verse or rhyming scheme you want. And that makes it more memorable when you do that too. Yeah, like that's not a word. Yeah. But it's like what advertising does when it makes up words for a new like, like, Framley plan for like a phone thing. It's like you can make up anything.

Words didn't exist at one point. Somebody had to make it eventually. So why not keep making up words? Who's to say that you can't just invite your language as you go? Toyota Thorn. Exactly. What the fuck? But you remember it.

And it's so stupid. It sticks with you. Yeah. That's the most important thing. You do remember it. And whenever I see a Buick now, all I think of his little baby saying Burek. Hey, yo, T. Payne had the most memorable one, uh, Wisconsin, man. Wisconsin.

Wisconsin, bro. Language is fluid. Exactly, bro. Wisconsin, dude. And he, bro, like, he was making hats with Wisconsin on it. Like big T. Payne top hats with a Wisconsin on it? It was like dad hats. I was regular hat.

Oh, okay. Like dad hats and T-shirts with Wisconsin. Like fucking hoodies and shit. Yeah, man. We've been doing that, dude. There's a lot of words that I didn't tweak the fuck. out of just the like rhyme with it or like I'll say it some type of funny way or like yeah and you come to mind oh you know what no honestly but on black Joe dirt there's this

lyric specifically and I say flex so hard I ain't even got a rhyme and it was literally because I forgot uh man mr mr mr. I said doctor rock star lifestyle feeling like Freders I don't know what Lines comes before that, but I was like, dude, like, I get that. Fuck it. It's like so hard on you. I don't even got to rhyme. Yeah. But it was like a self-awareness of it not rhyming, which is what makes it good. Right. Yeah. That's one of the best lines in it. That shit hits hard. It worked.

Fuck yeah. Well, thanks for doing this, bro. Appreciate it. I really appreciate it. It was great meeting you, man. Oh, yeah, dude. Thank you, man. Thank you. Appreciate it. I love this setup, dude.