Danny Jones Podcast - #47 - Exiled UK Millionaire Exposes America's Darkest Secrets | Part 2 | Shaun Attwood

Episode Date: July 6, 2020

Shaun Attwood is back to tell PART 2 of his life story!  Shaun is an author and activist based in London who is banned from America for life. In his early 20's Shaun was a stock market millionaire who had a side hustle selling ecstasy.  Before he knew it, he was importing and distributing so much that he was in direct competition with the Gambino crime family.  Finally on May 16th 2002 a SWAT team raided his house in Arizona which left him facing a 200 year prison sentence.  Attwood has since written over a dozen books, been featured on an episode of "Locked up Abroad" on Discovery channel, and runs a successful True Crime youtube channel.  Shaun's Channel - http://bit.ly/2SpVCN7 Shaun's books - https://shaunattwood.com/books Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mr. Sean Atwood, you're finally back. We're going to do part two of your life story. The first part was absolutely incredible jaw dropping everything. Your video's already got a million views for part one. I think we left off where you told the story of how you're stacking millions of dollars in the stock market. And you had an ecstasy empire in Arizona, Tempe, Arizona. All kinds of crazy shit was going. going on. You finally got busted, went to jail or prison, and I think we left off with the story of

the roaches, and you met a guy named two Tonys. So we left off when you were in prison. I know we missed a lot of really interesting stories. And from inside prison, the people you met, and then from when you actually got out and what happened after you got out. So where can we start? Well, if we didn't do the Xena transgender story, that would be the best one to start with. Okay. So, Zena was a six and a half foot charismatic transgender prisoner. Looked long her, you know, kind of like skinny but like bum coming out. You know, going around like a woman on the yard.

and I made friends with Zena and what I didn't know when I made friends of Zena was that Zina had something suffered something completely horrific when she first came in I'll say she because that's the trends they find it disrespectful to say he

so Zena came in decades before me and she clicked up with the A-B to Erie in Brotherhood she was working out she was big and they had her collecting debts. Now, with these gangs, it's blood in blood out.

They use people up and they brutalized them. And in Zina's case, I asked her what happened. She said, the first time was a gang rape. They came. They beat me until I was unconscious. Rape me while I wasn't conscious and shove things inside my body. I said,

how do you know that they were raping you if you were unconscious? She said, when I went the toilet after I could tell by what came out. Oh. I said, what did they stick

inside your body? A broomstick. I said, well, what did you do after being raped? She said, she got moved to another yard, but the same thing happened. They beat her up.

used her as a prostitute, a punk, more gang rapings, and... And she sounds like a big person, right? Yeah, she was six and a half foot. I've seen them. Big guys come in prison,

full of bravado, and the gangs get on them like a pack of wolves. There's nothing they could do. When someone's outnumbered, it's not like in the movies where Rambo just kicks ass and everyone goes down. Yeah. The gangs, they run the place.

They decide who lives and dies. So, Zina said, she sat in the cell waiting for the scars to go away. She got moved, but the same thing happened. And we were writing a blog to Ways Awareness of Prison Rape. So I said, you know, does this happen to young people who come in? And she said, yeah, most of the young people, but it couldn't happen to anyone. Big, bad dude, skinny, even the ugliest people. in the world. People who come to prison who aren't street smart and don't understand the mentality of

ghetto life, they get preyed on the most. I say, well, how did you stop it? She said that she started fighting back. She won the fight and she told them she didn't care if she lived or died and that's how she stopped it. But that's understatement. Zina was studying anatomy at the time and she came with an idea. and the next two times the gang came to rape Zena. The first member of the gang to put his hand on Zena, Zina plucked his eyeball out so it was dangling from the optic nerve. So Zena did that on two separate occasions and was classified as extremely dangerous because

when I heard this, I thought, that's not even possible. But when I got out, I joined a dojo and they teach us in karate. It's called Birdbeak Strike. We just pull someone's eyeball out like that. So when the eyeball comes out, it's dangling from the optic nerve. It doesn't just go back in the eye and behave normally. The fluid cushioning the brain can leak through it and you can die. Your eye might end up looking the wrong way.

You can be blinded. So after doing that twice, the gang left Zina alone, but they moved on to some of the other more vulnerable prisoners. Some of Zena's friends, actually. One was gang raped and they held him down. And they took a light bulb and shoved it in his backside and made bets on who could smash it first. And that prisoner committed suicide afterwards.

Another one was gang raped. They held him down, cut his head off with a shovel. And when the shovel was finally off, they picked the head up. and they positioned it in an area of the prison where the rival gangs would see it to make the point that they were the most violent and ruthless out of all the gangs. And that was the early in Brotherhood prison gang. Now, another thing Zina told me was, you know, people think, you know,

how can this happen? All this man-on-man rape. You know, the guards would protect the prisoners. The culprits would be brought to justice. Well, people who think that are in a dream world? This is an extremely violent predatory. society, like a warrior society where you got two guards

watching hundreds of prisoners. So Zina said, you know, you can't get anyone prosecuted. The victim is labeled a rat, a punk and considered less than human. You can't go to the guards because then you're a snitch. For snitches, it's KOS, kill on site by everybody. Or the guards will put you in a dungeon

for months or years and say it's for your own protection. you can do absolutely nothing other than kill the perpetrators. And I asked all, did you think about killing them? And she said, yeah, I thought about killing them. I thought about killing myself. And I still do. And then she started crying and she couldn't answer any more questions. Now, Zena also did something to herself.

And I met a trans prisoner who'd fully done this thing to herself. and Xena copied this. She had a Mosby's medical dictionary. She had no painkillers whatsoever. She wakes up one morning, just drinks a cup of coffee, gets a felt tip pan and draws some lines on her scrotum, picks up a razor blade, slashes her scrotum open.

The testicles are on branches called the Vazdeverins. So she falls the scrotum open. She's got the blade on the spomatic cord and grizzle that's holding this testicle to the Vazdevins and she chops through it. And manages to get one testicle off. Now, the other testicle must have known what was coming because it retracted inside her. So she's now got her hands in her gut looking for this other testicle. She says she could feel squishy things like organs and stuff. she's rummaging around

and her and as as she's rummaging around she's starting now to feel the red hot pain of cutting one ball off but she's thinking this is a one shot deal

I gotta do it so she's scrambling around in her gut looking for it and where she's got it tied off to stop the blood squirting out comes undone so now

the blood starts squirting across the cell the cell and she's got the red hot pain kicking in and she's going faint and she's scrambling around in the guts looking for the other nut and it's it's hiding further and further in there and um in the end she's she's bleeding to death she's losing consciousness and somebody sees her and they managed to get a helicopter to the prison just in time to get to hospital to save her life now she was put on suicide watch for over a year And when she got off suicide watch, she cut the other one off.

So what the trans prisoners do is they cut the testicles off to stop the testosterone and they get estrogen smuggled in. They believe they are women trapped in men's bodies. And they feel more at peace by doing that, by reversing the flow of the chemicals. Now, what prison specifically was this in? All right. So I spent my first 26 months in the Maricopa County jail system run by Sheriff Joe Arpaio. And then when I was sentenced, I got moved over to the Arizona Department of Corrections where I served three, four, three something years. My total sentence was five and three, four years, almost six.

So the characters I met, T-Bone. I can't remember when we talked about T-Bone. We haven't talked about T-Bone yet. No. Okay, good. Two Tonys. Zena. Frankie. All the main characters I started writing about on my blog, John's Joe Journal. Frankie, I did meet in the jail, but most of them were met in the Arizona Department of Corrections. Now, the jail housed about 10,000 prisoners, and I was in about three different security levels there. And the Arizona Department of Corrections housed about 60,000 prisoners back then. They got prisons all over the state. So I was in various prison

Started out in Supermax Because of games the prosecutor was paying And then ended up in a federal Deportation Prison Which you have to go to If you're going to get sent back to England Okay Yeah I mean that is some of the most brutal shit

I've ever heard Like brutal prison stories Violent prison stories I've ever heard I've never heard of anyone being decapitated In the prison Or let alone Castrating themselves in a prison cell Like that seems like

The most grotesque violent shit I've ever heard Happen in a prison Yeah, I wasn't there When the eyeball extractions occurred That was way before I've been arrested But it was a period of time in Arizona prison history Where 60 Minutes did a documentary And said that Florence Prison

Was the most dangerous square mile of real estate In the entire United States And I, that's just one of many stories Yeah That I heard about it back then whereby you know it's just the big bad redneck cops and all the rapings going on and another dead prison nobody cuss and where where were you when zina performed this self castration were you in that prison at the time or was this just a story she told you no no i was out

and she didn't tell me all the prisoners started to write to me oh this was after you had already got now yeah yeah all the prisoners were writing to me my friends and they were like you know wow she's got balls she's fucking hard according than any of us no one would do that you know this to do that take such a strong mind it's truly amazing that she even survived that

I mean I'm sure she was pretty close to death when all right there was one in the one in that I met I won't see any names and the one that Zena did it after this one did it I wasn't around when the one did it but I know what happened because all the prisoners told me

me and what happened was this one successfully cut off both balls and then she courterized the wound with a cigarette lighter. Okay. And it got infected. So she was carried out on a stretcher. It got infected. She was busted. It's, you know, it's a disciplinary matter.

Then you violated the prison laws. So she got in all kinds of trouble for doing what she did. yeah but she looked like a woman honestly guys were competing to try and get her you know in bed and she was totally about it right um or was she not about it she had a tough um guy who was protecting there

but then she got moved off the yard so i think things got too chaotic for her okay yeah yeah that's gotta be a weird dynamic especially for the people running the prison when one of the prisoners and starts to it like when they're on that line of being trans and like oh they love they enjoy sex with the other men that's got to be a

a weird line to dance when you're in charge of that prison right I mean they just let it go is that is that a common thing all right rape is so common in prison you have to go to a rape class to get taught how not to get raped

which is a complete waste of time the attitude of the authorities is we've shown them the class that ticks our box so what if they're raping each other yeah now in this rape class you watch a video and there are some predators in the day room and it shows the young prisoners coming in now if the predators are able to coax the young people who are hungry into taking food candy snickers bars whatever yeah then they're indebted So then they say, look, you've got to pay this debt off or else we're going to stab you. Well, I've got no money. All right. Well, go in that cell over there, do whatever he says, and your debt will be cleared, or else we're going to stab you and kill you. So if you're a scared young person going in, you just got tricked into taking food and getting into debt, what are you going to do to get out of that situation? You even have to fight your way out of it.

Or, you know, some of them, the more vulnerable ones, just break down and do it. And then that's it. Once they've been converted into a prison punk, it's called getting turned out, becoming a prison punk. They are then prostituted out for the rest of those stay. And the attitude of the prisoners is if you don't man up, you deserve it. Because there's a hierarchy. And the bottom are the snitches, the punk. trans

you know that's why Zina had a very tough boyfriend Yeah These people get brutalized Chomot sex offenders Snitches Punks These are all at the bottom

Of the spectrum So now the conclusion of the rape class was To stop rape you have to report it If you report anything you're a snitch So after we went to this rape class A young mentally ill prisoner Was gang raped on the yard I was at and nobody reported a

single thing. Right. Yeah. They reckon more men are getting raped in prison than the rapes for females in the free world. In the free world. Yeah. Now, how long did it take you from the time you first went in? Because, you know, obviously there was kind of like a self-discovery you had to go through for a while, right? Like you talked about it. I've heard you talk about it before. It's like self-reflection, like looking at yourself in a mirror, um, for a long period of time until you can finally figure out how to channel this situation that you're in into something that's going to put you on some sort of trajectory

forward, right? Like you have to, your mindset had to go through a change at one point. Was there a point that you can remember that you kind of like redefined your outlook on where you were? Yeah. Yeah. I was wild when I got arrested, you know.

I'd quit running the criminal enterprise, but I was still going out on the weekends of all my party friends. You know, I had gangsteritis. I'm a business graduate that had gangsteritis. And you still had a lot of money, right? Well, it was all collapsing. It collapsed with the dot-com bubble. I was down to six figures from seven net worth. So I was going out with Wildman and my gangster friends on the weekends and still clicked up there.

So I was wild when I got arrested. And if I had got released in that first year, I would have gone back to the lifestyle. But in the second year, when the prosecutor said I was facing a maximum 200-year sentence, and that pushed me to the point of suicidal insanity, I thought to myself, all right, the filed serious drug offender status on me, which carries 25 to life. I've got 20 plus charges, each which carry 10 plus year sentences stacked up. makes 200, which the prosecutor made it clear. If I went to trial and lost, I would get 200 for that alone as well.

So I'm thinking, do I want to spend the rest of my life in this kind of an environment? Dead rats in the food, cockroaches crawling all over us at night, guards murdering men to the ill prisoners, just drug and gang infested mayhem, people's heads getting smashed in every day. Is this, you know, can I just live like this for the rest of my life? No. So I decided to kill myself after a guard that has secured. walk and before I was going to slash my wrist I wanted to say goodbye to my family and friends so I get the pictures out my mom dad girlfriend sister and I started to get really sad

thinking my mom's going to get a call saying you know your son's just killed himself in the foreign jail and to be honest I don't want anyone's pity here I deserve to be in there but I started to cry at that point and um the thought put my mom through that just stopped me from killing myself So that pressure on my brain was working on crushing that materialistic, hedonistic, narcissistic person out of me. And the turning point around that time came, a prisoner had come into my cell. He's got a steel rod in his leg. The screws are loose. He's in agony.

He's got hepatitis C. He's got syphilis. He's got stomach cancer. And whenever he goes on the toilet, he's in absolute agony. His stomach cancer is so advanced. He's going to die in that jail within a couple of years. And I was thinking, holy shit, I was feeling so sorry for myself. I was going to slash my wrists and bleed out.

Listen to this guy's story. There's always somebody worse off. And my heart opened to the pain and suffering of other people. I thought prisoners lock him up throw away the key. The serial killers, paedophiles, rapists, murderers, because that's all you see in. the news how extreme the crimes are on one side and how easy it is on the other they've all got playstations gourmet food luxuries and that keeps the public hating on the prison population but when

i went to court and the the audience of all the other prisoners in when i were first arrested heard my charges and heard my bail was seven and fifty thousand dollars bond they were all gasping and they were gasping because they were all low-level drug users and people who were doing petty crimes of finance drug addiction and the system they are the fodder for the system. $50,000 a year of taxpayers' money per prisoner per arrest. I saw black kids and Mexican kids with like a roach of weed getting like a two-year sentence because they had prior convictions. So a roach of weed, two years, taxpayer, 100,000 to house.

that person. It's just a money-making industry. So, yeah, I don't support paedophiles, rapist, serial killers. No way. They're a fraction of prison population. I saw people in prison were society's most vulnerable people, people of addiction issues. Soldiers, more than half of my friends were soldiers. Come back from war. Yeah, PTSD. Come back from wars. No help from the government, just used and abused. Get on street drugs to self-medicate. And then, up in prison and you know they don't give a shit about them they come they get them to do their dirty work send them off to the Middle East they come back messed up in the head and then they end up in prison you got 20 plus soldiers a day right now committing suicide in your country right so it's absolutely

ridiculous and still fighting and still fighting the government just to get the um just to get the VA to pay for some of them there's guys that have agent orange from Vietnam that still are fighting the government to get them to pay for their treatment and they're losing. Yeah, they're just used. They're just used. It's horrific. And the craziest part about that is there's still, it's amazing that there's any sense of patriotism, even within these veterans that are fighting the country to pay for the shit they've gone through.

Because they know, you know, there's always a new generation that they can brainwash. That's what they rely on. they just rely on, young idealistic people, pump them up with patriotic notions and send them off as cannon fodder? Yeah. So prison is the biggest hauser of the mentally ill. When they shut down the mental hospitals

after Koku's Nest came out, prisons by default became the biggest hauser of the mentally ill. Like I said earlier, a third of them couldn't even read or write. I started to listen to the stories. 90% were injecting heroin. Now people think, all right, filthy heroin addicts, they don't deserve anything, scummed the earth, stealing stuff.

Well, I had to break through that and listen to the stories and they were sexually molested as kids. They'd seen their parents die. They didn't even have parents. Just thrown away onto the street, kicked out of their houses, where they've been abused previously. And then what are they going to do

to fend them for themselves, getting no help from anyone? They're getting them. the gangs, they get on the drugs, and they're taking the heroin, because heroin is so strong, it puts them so far out of their minds. They don't have to think about all the abuse and the horrors that they've suffered, because no one's given the tools to deal with that. So you've got human beings being warehoused for-profits in America for the private prisons, and the contracts are in the tens of billions of year. And then they kickdown to the politicians and the legislators

are in the tens of millions a year in political contributions. They're paying these guys off to Tighten laws to put more people in prison so they can make more profits. That's why America's got one in a hundred adults in prison right now. It's ridiculous. That's why you've got social unrest. You know, the police have got arrest quotas. I heard a policeman say, I go in a black neighborhood and make my arrest. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Right. They're going to make some of the arrest. They just go or they can arrest low-level drug users are the easiest ones. But they're on the news, you know, the arrest. in Pablo Escobar, which is bullshit. So hard to arrest a drug trafficker. The low-hanging fruit are the low-level drug users, the street-level people.

So all this social unrest you've got going on around the world right now is a reaction to the extreme. The prison system has gone in America and the drug laws and the war on drugs. If you're a black guy walking around your neighborhood, got some weed on you, cop might pull you over,

not just bus your weed, but it might shoot you dead. Right. This is all functions of war on drugs. So all drugs should be legalized. Taking, you know, kids should be educated and not incarcerated. That's my philosophy. What is the perspective from your area of the world on what's going on? I mean, I know what's going on globally right now, but we've gone out in the street and we've seen, you know, you've got people, you've got two sides of the street.

One of them are all Trump supporters, or they call themselves back the blue where they're supporting the police. And you have the other side of the street that's Black Lives Matter. It's 50-50 white people and black people on the Black Lives Matter. And the people that are on the other side saying, we back the police, we support the blue Trump 2020. It seems like it's way older of a generation. And it doesn't matter what the truth is about anything. It's just they're stuck in their ideologies.

And it's just this primal instinct they want to, They just want to fight. It's so wild, seeing it in real life. So anyways, I was just interested to hear the point of view from someone like you living in your part of the world. Well, my point of view is this. You know, I read over a thousand books in just under six years. I've become obsessed of history, philosophy, psychology. Yeah.

And technology advances, but human nature remains the same. So throughout history, people have always formed groups. and these groups will brutalize or go to war with other groups of people. Call it religion, politics, race, anything you want. You could fix the race problem and people would find another way

to form groups to attack other people. In the jail, it was the white gang, the black gang, the Mexican gang, the Mexican-American gang. And whichever group was strongest and had the most numbers would brutalize the groups with the least numbers. And that's a microcosm of society. Yeah, it really relates back to prison, right?

I mean, that seems like a very boiled down version of what the broad spectrum is in the world. Well, the racism and racial division that, you know, America became politically correct, but it passed, it bypassed the prison system. It's been in there for the last decade and it's not changed. And if you can keep the prisoners divided like that, you can conquer and control. them and if the elites can keep the population divided, they can conquer and control them. So that's what I believe it is. It's all divide and conquer. Yeah, I mean, you can clearly see that the right, the right-wing conservatives, they signal, they call,

they signal to the white working class and the big businesses like oil and the left signals to the color, the brown and black working class. And, you know, the black working class and elite, level like Silicon Valley. But it seems like if the two working classes work together, the majority of power would be there. Yeah, there you go. And you've got the police who are from the working class policing the working class. So the working class is policing itself? How clever is that if you're running a country? Right, right. The prisons are run on prison labor. If all the prisoners refuse to work, the prisons would collapse because they can use prison labor as slaves.

Slavery was not abolished in America. There was a loophole in the Constitution. Slavery is abolished except for people convicted of crimes. So not only are they using the prisoners as slave labor force to run the prison system, all the major companies in America are using that slave labor force as well. Everything from military equipment to road signs and all these consequences. contracts that they do. It's just one big financial state down. God. Yeah. And another thing, like I told you, we were out in the streets documenting some stuff and doing some street interviews.

A lot of people on the back, the blue side of things, or on the Trump, like, conservative side that were against the Black Lives Matter people, they're all talking about the George Soros guy. Yeah. Who is George Soros? He seems like some big, like, mystical figure. I was a worshiper of George Soros when I was a kid. Really? Yeah, because I started following the stock market at night at 14, started trading when I was 16. I went down the library and I ordered all of the books written by the stock market greats. Going back, you know, a century.

and George Soros was big time and he'd had his books published about trading the stock market he almost bankrupted the Bank of England when he sold short the pound and he made billions off it so my motto then, after watching that movie Wall Street

was greed is good all I heard about was being a millionaire by the time I'm 30 it's dog eat dog fuck I'll be fucked in the business world right I had no moral compass I just wanted to make money

money. So when you have no moral compass and you just want to make money, you look up to people like George Soros, which is completely reversed. As you know, my activism and I fit now helping school kids. But in my 20s, I was just this testosterone-fueled financial maniac drug-fueled. And I thought it was cool that George Soros was making billions and filed the highest income ever in the history of the world for tax purposes. I thought that was cool. I aspire to that. back then yeah yeah so who is he now why is everyone saying that he is why why does everyone say that he's funding these people like black like black lives matter and all okay okay so you've got um divide and conquer is the strategy used by the elites

and the theory is that certain families uh there was wealthy and powerful people in the world, including the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, those kind of families who control the politicians and that Soros is a frontman for those families and he does their bidding and the theories are that he promotes things that will increase the divide and conquer factor in the country. Okay. So they think that he's personally financing these. these people on the streets who are causing chaos. Yeah, but then it gets to the point where it's thrown around so much

that anyone who tries to do anything, their enemies just say, well, George Soros is fining this, is financing this guy to try and undermine what they're doing. So what is, the waters are so muddied with all of this stuff, it's hard to discern what the truth is. Yeah, it's really weird. But on the subject of Black Lives Matter, there was a guy I met in prison called T-Bone.

Now, I was on the yard, and this T-bone black guy, almost six and a half foot, just strides across the yard, the Sonoran Desert, looking like something out of a Conan movie. Yeah, just his biceps were bigger than my head. Because of the rules of racial division,

I never would have approached him. He was intimidated. but the prisoners were finding out that I was writing a blog getting pen pals hucking people up with pen pals and books so T-bone lingered in my doorway

one night I was just writing at my little stool, table screwed to the wall combination and the whole room went dark as he completely blocked the sunlight out holy shit

or just turn around and he just started with his trousers on. Good thing they were on. And I'm thinking, oh my God, what does this guy want? But I got talking to him, and he was interested in English history and military history in particular. And we hit it off. Now, T-Bone, I learned, was using his skills as a U.S. Marine to stop prison rape.

His entire body was covered in scars, not tiny little scratches, horseshoe-sized scars from all the life and death prison stories he had. And also from the action he saw as a US Marine. So he said it was the foulest thing anyone could do. You know, he was very religious and he believed that God had his back. now if you're intervening in someone getting raped that's considered policing the yard so that doesn't go down well with a lot of the prisons even even though some people think rape's horrible and it's a good thing he's doing so you've got a kind of division uh going against the prison rules helping people being a hero right so he had to fight a lot of people and oh boy

could he fight so i showed up in the library one time and the library was being used used as an outpost for blow jobs. So I showed up in the library one time. And there's this big biker guy was getting the blowjob off this other skinny kid, young person. And I walked in there, said his everything all good. And the kid told me just to leave, get out. No, you know, it wasn't my business. So I just left.

Now, T-Bone caught wind of this. and also the guy was spreading rumors that T-bone was a snitch now my cellmate was present when what followed went down I had a cellmate called Long Island

he's the guy who hooked me up with two Tonys okay so Long Island was in the cell belonging to the serial home invader torturer guy right did I tell you that one in part one the guy who threatened me with the bad lucking this up yeah yep so he would smash your head in yeah so long

island is in his cell and then there's that guy we'll call that guy bud the serial home invader torture okay there's another huge biker in there called ken and he's massive and he's got his cellmate in the cannonball who's the guy who was forcing the young guy to give him head in the library so you got one two three white dudes in the cell none of them as big as t-bone or as good at fighting as t-bone but but in particular was quite psychopathic and had these padlock in the sock yeah so t-bone walks in says to cannonball who you call in the snitch cannonball said something back offensive and t-bone was just like bam bam bam bam bam on his face knocked him out within seconds and his head fell so hard against the toilet water bounced out of the toilet

and then Teabon looks around the room at the other guys and they all just froze because he was about to take them out as well I mean this guy is a fucking killing machine and yeah my cellmate was in there Long Island he came back and he told me the story now the guy he hit tried to hide it Because that's snitching, you know, if the guard see, it's dry snitching.

Because if the guard see... If they see you all beat up. Yeah, that's dry snitching. So you've got to hide it. Because if the yard's going to get locked down, they're going to do a knuckle check. So the guy couldn't hide it, man. He looked like he'd been hit by a train. I saw him when they took him off the yard.

His face was like a blue balloon, just all swollen up. And... They took Tebowin off the Yard for a bit, but they brought him back on. And he was lucky because they said they were going to street charging, but they dropped it. So I think they supported what Teabone did on that occasion. Yeah. Wow. But Teabone told me stories about from the Xena pulling eyeballs out era.

Okay. And Teabone said back then to raping, there was a smell on the run from so many dudes getting raped. white dudes and big guys just kissing them like they were women he said that they weren't just raping with their dicks

in their arces they'd stick like shampoo bottles shanks they'd do all kinds of crazy things that they'd stick in their arces as well and yeah

God I wrote a blog on it called T-Bone on Prison Rape, but I can't find it right now, and it gives all the details. T-Man on Prison Rape. Let's see if it's on Google. Because there was a lot of details that I just can't remember off the top of my head. Yeah.

Yeah. Where's T-Bone now? Oh, man, this is so sad. All right, here's an example, then, of the injustice against black people. now T-Bomb was released from prison he'd already served like almost 30 years in and now in and now 30 okay yeah he must be in his 60s now ever since go out the Marines all right so when you go out the Marines

set himself up as a bodyguard and he was making up to a thousand dollars a day now in that lifestyle you know he's getting on the cocaine he's getting deep and his crimes were never major they all revolve around drug addiction you know like I said he's got PTSD stealing for drugs and things like that so he's a repeat offender he got out about five or six years ago

and I was on the phone every day with him trying to get his life story down as a book because I knew that we'd give him credibility to do talks in schools and churches which is what he wants to do but I also knew I was in a race against time when someone like T-Bone gets out of prison there's special teams of cops watching

them that get rewarded somehow, I don't know what, were they getting money or they get the career promotions, they've got the rest quotas and that kind of thing. They're watching these guys to put them back in as soon as possible just to get them off the streets. Really? Yeah, that's what it's like. That's what it's like for these guys.

And it all went down. It went down. There was a SWAT team raid. They put a shotgun to his neighbor's head, some woman asking, how do you know, team? How do you know him? How do you know him? She's done nothing wrong.

So they took T-bone in and they said, look, you've done a robbery. You're facing a 200-year sentence if you lose at trial. Just sign guilty. Admit you did the robbery and, you know, we'll just bang you up for 10 or 15 years. And he said, no, I've not done the robbery. Now, this is how they break people down if they've not done a crime. They say you're going to get a life sentence sign here. And innocent people will rather risk get,

in hundreds of years or dozens of years, they'd rather risk that, not risk that, and just sign and get like five years or ten years, rather than, because they know what happens. They're not going to win at court, black guy. So T-bone prays, and he believes God has his back, and he's not done it. And he says, no, I'm going to trial.

And for a black man to go to trial in Arizona, heaven help you, man. It's not going to happen. Trial is just theater. Whoever's got the most money puts on the best show. That's always the state. And they give you a public defender for, you know, $5,000 budget for a public defender.

You can't put on any kind of theater show at all. So Timon goes to trial. And his lawyer says to the cop on the stand, was there a camera at the location? You said he's done this robbery. Right. Yes, there was the camera. Show us the video of him doing the robbery.

I didn't have time to get the video. That's what the cop said. they tried it on because they know he's more likely to sign a plea bargain and admit guilt for innocence than go to trial and risk 200 years. So he called him out and he won it. He was so happy. He thought he was getting out. The jury found him innocent. So what did they do?

They slapped another charge on him. They said he took $20 off a countertop in a shop, found him guilty and gave him 13 years. Black lives. not matter one bit in the US justice system. From what I saw, my own experience, and that is one story of many. I was there when a war hero got sentenced. The Vietnam vet had been shot in the head by a sniper, he'd won purple heart medal for bravery. I was there in the court.

Prosecutor said he's unemployed, he's got a nice new car, there was some crumbs of cocaine in it, he must be a dealer. And the judge was like, bam, sent him away for almost 10 years just like that. these are the people that feed the system the prison population has to constantly expand to keep the profits rolling in Arizona's education budget is down to what now 20 on the list something like that

prisons is into like the top five I think all about making money of human suffering and they go for the most vulnerable people because if you arrest a rich white kid that kid's family is going to get them a high-priced lawyer Right. That kid's family might know a prosecutor or a judge. Right.

They play the odds. They go for the poorest people in society. People like Stephen Avery and Brendan Dassey and making a murder. They're just typical kind of people that they go after. Let's take a quick lateral step back to when you were in prison. And you told a story about you were working in the cafeteria or something. and you were cleaning out trays. I don't know what you had a hole

or people would just shove their tray, their dirty trays in and you would like hose them down. And you took like a cigarette break or something and you sat on a crate and someone said, get the fuck off my crate. Oh, man. So who is that guy? I'm in minimum security.

And, you know, I'm about, it's all short timers and I think I'm going to get out soon. No more problems. Effort's going to go, effort's going to go fine. And I'm assigned to the kitchen duty. So my job is in what's called the clipper room. Okay. Now, in the clipper room, it's where you start.

Remember the first day this Chicano comes up to me. It goes, welcome to Hell's Kitchen. You're going to be in the clipper room. It's the hardest job on the yard. That's where everybody starts out. out. So I go in the clipper room and in the clipper room there's

like a hole in the wall were the chow trays come in. So in the chow hall you've got 200 prisoners and marched in out of another hole in the wall comes a tray to them. You can't see the person behind the wall

handing the tray. It's supposed to stop homie hookups. You know people Yeah. So there's all the wall the trays come out all the wall and the trays come in

200 people come in they got 15 minutes to eat if you ain't finished eating tough shit you gotta get out so everyone's like eating really fast not chewing properly at the end of that 15 minutes bam

bam back all the trays will start coming in one after the other one after the other one after the other and to these giant sinks now you gotta like you gotta get on these trays

and hose them down and moves the next thing and then they all go into this dishwasher When I say dishwasher, this thing is like the size of a drive-in car wash. And it was so broken, it had a gas leak. And every now and then it was shoot out flames and people's hurt. People's almost setting people on fire. Oh my God.

There were days when we revolted because it was like making these noises like it was going to explode. It would go boom, boom, boom, louder and louder. We have to turn it off. Yeah, it was mental. The guy running the kitchen was a white shirt. And when I say running the kitchen, that's an outside employee, not a prisoner, was a white shirt,

was this African guy we call blood diamonds. And when we say like, you know, it's going to blow up, it's going to blow up, we're stopping working. He's like, there's nothing you can do. Keep working, keep working. Always, you know, just pushing us, pushing us, pushing us. So I'm in the kitchen, doing my kitchen work.

and during a break I sit on a crate now a guy who has murdered two people in the prison system Magpie will call him comes up to me and says

that's my seat, get off it right everyone looks remember when I told you the gang rules in part one if someone calls you a punk or hits you or anything, you must strike back or else everyone's going to pray on you.

So if I get off that seat, now I'm a punk. So this was your first time in that area, so you didn't know that that's where he typically sat or something? Or what was that about? Exactly. Okay. I didn't even know whether he was telling the truth. Right. You just knew you couldn't follow his command.

He was just trying to punk me out and I could not follow his command. And my decision criteria is this. Do I want to have a problem with everybody on the yard by being a punk? Or do I have a problem with one person? Even though that person has murdered two people in prison, I think I would rather have a problem with one person. So stay on the seat. So he starts kicking off.

He's saying that he's going to come to my cell and shank me. I'm going to be his third victim. And I've got a workout partner at that time called Ironman who was trained highly trained in martial arts and you can't do martial arts in prison it's illegal so there was like a room on the end of a run on the upper tier where we could go and do yoga and we're in there one night he's teaching me martial arts and there's a guard called a bloodhound he's called the bloodhound because it was said he could smell hooch from a hundred yards away Yeah. So me and Iron Man are doing martial arts.

And Iron Man says that Magpie's got a steel rod in his leg because he's been shot in prison by the guards. So Iron Man wants me to do a snap kick on the iron rod in this guy's leg. And then as he falls forward to put him out of action by going for his eyeballs, he's teaching me all this stuff. But don't we start... The thing? either that or just gouge him or whatever so he's teaching me these things and we had a sense

that something was coming at us someone was approaching and we didn't know what it was the bloodhound he was coming to bust us if he catches just doing martial arts we'll get a disciplinary ticket a write-up we'll lose our visit we might get sent to lockdown

a prison within a prison all these bad things will happen so all the a sudden we both jumped into tree pose in yoga and we're both just in tree pose as the bloodhound jumps

into the cell and there's nothing he could do about that because yoga's perfectly illegal. Oh my God. Now every night after my training with Iron Man I'm getting more and more perplexed because this thing's hanging over me and I just want the beef to be squashed.

Right. So I said to Iron Man why don't I just steam into his his room have to fight and get it over with. And Ironman said, look, the cameras will show you've gone to his room. You'll be the aggressor. You're about to get released. But if they file street charges on you for going into his room, you could get a number five years onto your sentence.

Right. So every night, I'm in my cell with my sneakers on, just waiting for him to come in. I'm just going to bounce up. and about he's mouthing off he's going to do this he's going to do that and eventually the people on the yard said to him if you don't go in and do something

after all this mouth and off you're going to have to leave the yard which means they're going to beat him up and kick him off the yard so one night he comes into my cell and I jump up you know assume the position kind of turn a bit of an angle from him ready to throw a punch and stuff

but he's got like a look on his face and I'm trying to figure it out. He doesn't look like he wants to fight, but maybe he's trying to sucker punch me. He got into, how did he get in? Oh, this was like a yard

where you could just walk into people's cells. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah. He just came up the stairs, walked along the tier, and came into myself. So I jump up,

I'm ready, look at him. He looks like he's not going to get down, but I'm thinking maybe he's trying to trick me into a false sense of security and then he's going to just go, bam, bam. So I'm looking at him.

I'm saying, what's up? And he's like, he said that he's come to apologize. I said what? And he goes, he said he was just clowning. When he said he was going to kill me, he was just clowning. Now, what I said to him, I said, when someone who's killed two people in the prison system tells someone and their friends that they're going to kill him,

you know, because of your history, we're not going to see that as clowning. And he's like, yeah, yeah, I understand that. But, but, you know, I'm about to get released. And if I kill you, I could get the death penalty or I'll never get out. I've already served 30-something years, wherever it was. He said that the guys he killed, he killed him when he first came in. It was even them or him. It was something he had to do.

And he extended his sentence. sentence and he was looking forward to getting out. And then he got a really sad look on his face. And he said, he goes, England, all I know is heroin. He goes, I've got money. My dad had a business, but are my going to survive? All I know is heroin.

Like I said, all the day revolved was getting a heroin and getting high and heroin to forget about the troubles. And he looked at me and he knew how to have a female visiting me. and he asked me for help. And I promised him some help, but he never followed through. And in the end, this guy I thought I was going to have to fight, he was maybe going to try and stab me to death. I saw, I felt his pain.

Right. I felt his heart opened when he was looking at me, talking about the heroin. And I just felt the pain of everything he'd been through for 30 years and wondered what kind of horrible life he'd had. And I completely reversed in that second of my heart opening. from this guy being my number one enemy coming to kill me to feeling sorry for the dude

and that's what it's like they've all got even the most heinous criminals who do murders and stuff they've all got behind every big crime there's a horrific story of child abuse that's what I've learned not just from my prison experience but from I've done over 100 podcasts now on my channel

more than half of them gangsters and criminals and a lot of them were abused as well one guy he went to his best friend's house best friend wasn't home the dad said come in got him drunk and raped him and he went to prison

for trying to kill that guy and then when he went back to when he got out of prison he went straight to that guy's house and tried to kill him again and then again he kept doing it and doing it until he exploded and stabbed his friend and ended up a prison for that as well

so this is something that this abuse trajectory is something that if society wants to improve we really need to start helping these young people who are suffering yeah i know i know that's a vast majority of of the people that are in there um but it's so interesting how there is just this fascination with these types of people in pop culture and in the media you know what i mean especially when they're when they're murderers like there's so many documentaries for example and i think one of like the key things.

I don't know if you've noticed this or if you've done a lot of studying on this, but the people who go through not necessarily child trauma or child abuse, but they don't get that connection when they're in that infant stage. Like for, like just for an example, Ted Kaczynski, how I just watched this documentary and they talk about how when he was an infant, he basically broke out in hives and had to go to the hospital for like months and months and months and months and when he came back after without, they wouldn't allow his parents

to visit him more than an hour a week. And when he came back, he just was like gone. Like he was just like, he was stare off into space. He had gone from like this bubbly happy little kid to just like nobody's home. He lost all his empathy. He lost his moral compass. And

that guy was pretty fucking smart considering he was in Harvard by the age of 16 and doing all this stuff. And And, you know, the people like that, like that guy had a cult following from prison, you know, the stuff that he talked about or whatever, he had sort of like developed this massive group of people that worshipped him. How many people did you run into, if any, in prison or after prison that were, you would consider true psychopaths? Oh, my goodness. I've known psychopaths before, prison, in prison and after prison. and I think the psychopathy is highest when they are youngest

and then it mellows out and they find ways to make alliances with people and they just become more strategic rather than brute force in-your-face violence. So two Tonys was an example, you know, as a younger person, under cocaine, just whacking people and not thinking twice of, you know, just looked at it as a business transaction kind of thing some of these mafia guys see it as the same as being in the military you're signing up to something where you're going to kill or be killed but then you've got you know I've never associated with the complete

psychopathic monsters who would just torture and kill kids and women and stuff like that I've never associated or met anybody like that. Who like pre like planned out their murders. You know what I mean? Like thought like I'm going to plan them out perfectly. Like this is going to be the perfect person I'm going to kill.

And I'm going to write a journal about every single kill. Like it's like this. Well, two tonies detailed all of his methods of killing and body disposal to me. And they're in his book, The Mafia philosopher, two Tony, which is on Amazon. And he, you know, he would burn all of his clothes afterwards. They'd have plastic sheets.

They'd get rid of the gun. It was all done rather meticulously. But he had problems getting rid of bodies because he whacked people from Arizona to Alaska. And in certain parts of the world, depending upon the temperature, the body will decompose. and rot away, but the bodies in Alaska, they didn't. The birds didn't eat them. They were hoping the birds would eat one and it didn't eat it. And it just remained in the cold temperature and the cops found it.

And to Tony said that the various methods of body disposal, one was you dig a deep hole, buried the body, and then you put a dead animal over the body, so many feet higher because when the cadaver dog comes out it'll hit on the animal and then they'll stop digging to find a human corpse but even better invest in funeral homes which is what the banana crime family did who two tony's work for so two tony's came up under charlie bats batteglia who was a lieutenant for the banana crime family and charlie bats battegla had whacked people from coast to coast and got rid of bodies and was an expert and never never been caught for any of that

so he passed that information down to two tonies and that's how he learned to get away with these things because he killed a lot of people over the years and got away with all of it until finally at the end it all caught up with him there's obviously a difference though right i mean he he was doing it it was very intertwined in his business and it wasn't just had a pure enjoyment he was killing people you know he didn't he didn't get some sort of dopamine rush from murdering people he was doing it because he he had to well there was one where he whacked a guy in a hotel room who was late on a cocaine shipment was late and the guy give the money to um two tonnies even up all night on coke and he's getting more and more pissed off on him

and he goes into the guy's room oh the guy came into his room i can't remember what it was and the guy said something disrespectful and two tonies just blew his brains out so i wouldn't say it was the smartest thing to do from a business perspective yeah risk yourself you know for in a deaf penalty state over such a small but when you're on coke and you're feeling disrespected and your ego's pumped up like that then you know you're just whacking people for trivial reasons right if you're psychopath and he said he was a psychopath he said that he was yeah now where he passed away right even as he was an old man before he passed away he spent the day fantasizing about smashing sex offenders teeth in with crow bars and things like that now what was it like like

leading up to your release finally in prison oh the release it was uh it was uh happy because, you know, the first year of incarceration seems to last forever. And then it kind of like goes, starts going faster and faster and faster. And by the end of it, it's going really fast. And they say that going into prison really messes your head, but so does coming out. And in this country, they call it gate fever. Right. So you're thinking, you know, am I going to get a girlfriend?

You're scared, right? You have lots of fear. Will I, will people cross the road to avoid me? I've been in prison now. How can I get a job? So all these fears are in your head. But I was blessed to have such good family, my mom, my dad, my sister. And so my release story is, I've got this release that this lawyer that the New Mexican

Mafia, the lawyers. got me this release date. And the release date comes, but they don't release me. So I'm thinking, oh, they've made some kind of mistake. It was a few days later, they did finally release me. I had this thing called a half-time release for a non-US citizen that this kind of loophole lawyer got me. And I was thinking, has it been processed?

It's processed. So I'm all worried, you know, I'm not going to get out. I'm going to do more and more years. But in the end, I got this. It came down. The feds came to get me to take me to the Fed. Deportation Prison. I can't remember where was it Florence, Marana, somewhere in Arizona. It's been so long now. So I'm in this federal deportation prison, which of course is all Mexicans and one guy from England. And I picked up a bit of Spanish by then. So I'm talking to them. You know, some of them can't speak English. So they're asking me to ask the guards certain things. So I'm making myself useful with the Mexican community. And they can't give you the date of your exact release for security reasons so eventually they come and say roll up outward you know your release is come and um they put us all on a con air flight con air yeah have you seen con er yeah it's only my favorite movie in the world so me and all the mexicans are shackled in this on this prison bus that's good to hear there's no ercon on is the snow is it is it is the

plane just like the plane in Conair? What happens is it's all federal marshals they're looking at you. There's like rows of federal marshals and rows of prisoners and you're all shackled. You can't go up and have a pee or anything. If you try and think funny they look like they're going to shoot you. So we all get on. No, first off they leave us on the bus

for ages and we're all up near suffocating in the desert. Then they put us on the plane. Then they say the plane has broke down. and we've got to go back to the jail and come back the next day. So it's all this, this, this, this, this, palava. Eventually, the plane takes off. And for a couple of days then, I'm on Connor. Going across Arizona and California, dropping off and picking up Mexicans.

It's like they make work for themselves, just flying these planes around. Wow. They arrest Mexicans and they drop them off at a different part of the border where they arrested them in the hope that, you know, that's going to cause them not to come back in. It's all crap. It's all, again, government financed and bullshit at the taxpayers' expense.

So I get to L.A. And I'm in a holding cell then in L.A. And it's going all through the night. And I'm so excited on getting out. I can't sleep. I'm so tired as well. And my head's like nodding and stuff. I sat there.

There's no seats or anything. Just crouched against the wall. And, you know, and there was a guy in there who'd been in there. news he'd crashed a some kind of car there was a Ferrari or what it was a worth a couple hundred grand I think this car he crashed this car at a hundred and sixty miles an hour that's Jesus so ridiculous I don't know what you've been doing but this

this like European gangster I can't remember his name I've written it all in my book prison time if you want to check that out my trilogy is on Amazon as well it's um party time, hard time, prison time. Prison time details my release. And so I'm talking to him. He's quite cool. He's like, yeah, I got a place in London, come and come and see me in London, all this stuff. And I have looked since.

He is a proper full on gangs. He's got like a Wiki page, and I think he's back in prison now. So I'm talking to him. He's been on the news, so he's kind of like a bit of a celebrity in the, where his record, the crash. And everyone just gets really quiet as the night progresses.

He's like two, three in the morning. except for some guy from, was he from Brazil? No, Argentina, Argentina. And this guy is like, hyper. I don't know if he's on Coke or Crystal Meth. So everyone's falling asleep and trying to fall asleep, but they can't because this guy's just telling all these stories

and he's like, yeah, my woman is a supermodel and she's flown all the way to Argentina. She's waiting for me. We're going to get married. And she's so kind. She stops for homeless people. And she wakes me up every day, every single day with a blowjob.

And this guy's just going on and on and having, you know, even this guy's bragging or he's insane. What the fuck? But he's going on and on and on. And nobody could sleep. And one moment. minute I'm just sitting the corner trying to sleep.

Next minute I'm like, I just walk over and start listening to him. I'm losing my mind as well. You know, you're trying to occupy my time. I don't know what I'm doing. So after days of this, this is what it's like, nothing happens in the hurry. Yeah. Days of this. The

guard comes and says, lot, I'm taking some of you to the airport. And he calls out me and the Argentinian. So we're leaving. the jail in this prison bus, prison van. We're all shackled up.

We've got one guy. I think there's just one guard in there, federal driver. And you know what the traffic's like in L.A. It is bumper. It's a bumper. So we are just stuck all the way. And the driver goes, if we don't get there,

this is all going to have to be rescheduled. Now I'm thinking Rescheduled means we just get on the next flight You know we can't go on this flight We just get on the next flight And the Argentinian He's just He's been hyper still

Still tweaking Still tweaking All of a sudden his face Just goes to sheer panic It's like rescheduled Rescheduled I'm like yeah no problem We're just going to get rescheduled

No don't you know what rescheduled means it goes that means we have to go back to our original you know to some federal deportation prison and the whole thing and it takes weeks or months to reschedule to get on another flight so he explains this and I'm like oh my fucking god you know my parents are on the way to London to meet with the airport so we get to

no it brings us back to the jail and um because we're getting rescheduled and the Argentinian by now, the Argentinian by now has just lost his mind he's walking, we're both walking to the jail and the Argentinian starts going can I have a cigarette? Can I smoke?

Can someone give me a cigarette? And of course no one's going to give him a fucking cigarette. He's a convict in chains. Right. He starts going crazy, I need a cigarette. At the end up just putting him in a room and he's just like rocking like this and he's just that's it. He's completely done.

what kind of shit did he have to smoke to last that long? I have no idea. But I'm feeling for him. You know, he's saying his supermodel girlfriends waiting for him to marry all the shit. Wow. So, um,

whatever he was full of shit or not, you know, it would have been nice for him to have got out and have a life. So, the guard says to me, look, I've looked into this and he's missed his

flight, you've got to be rescheduled, but there's still time to get your flights. They take me out again. And I'm like, woo. So I get to the airport. I'm sat in the van. The guard says, I know, I say I want to use the toilet. I need to pee. You know, been hours of this. I've not had the chance to pee. He's like, you're not going to try anything funny, are you? I'm like, no, you know, we just want to go home. So he takes. He takes, you know, I'm not going to try anything funny, are you? I'm like, no, you know, we just want to go home. so he takes me into a toilet and he chained me to a like a railing thing next to the toilet he changed me to it while he goes to pee and um i pee and then he brings me out and he's still like going you're not going to try to be funny you're not no i just want to go home so i had a guy i brought a guy on the other you know

a few weeks ago and he he just looked really funny and shifty and the captain wouldn't let him on the plane and he had to be rescheduled you know you're not going to try anything to find no no you know I'm a business graduate I'm a stock market car I'm not trying so he takes me on the plane

he goes I'm going to put you on first so you don't scare the passengers and there's a cabin crew from London and they talked to me like I was a human being and it was the first time in almost six years anyone has taught to me like I was a human being and I couldn't believe it. I was like melt.

I was just melting that a civilian had talked to me like I was a human being. And they showed me where to sit and I got over there and then all the passengers get on and after being around hurry, sweaty men for six years, you know, I could smell the women's perfume and all this stuff.

But I was a bit institutionalized. One of the mistakes I made was I put my hand up and I asked a female member of the cabin crew if I could go to the toilet like the toilet's right there you don't need to ask and I'm going red

I was paranoid that I stung because I've been in transportation for days so I want to have a bird bath in prison if you can't go out yourself because of all the lockdowns you have a bird bath which means you basically just scrub your armpits and scrub your ass and your cocky

Yeah so I go in there have my bird bath come back out and they got some stupid movies on and the flights go in and we land at Gatwick there's actually some footage of my YouTube channel of me

in the car in the car and meeting my parents at the airport my mom's crying we're having a hug I'm all stabbled out my face is just completely pale and shell-shocked you can see I've been through some intense stuff and my mom's crying

and it's just so nice to give my mom a hug right away they took me to the Indian restaurant I ordered chicken teka masala my former favorite but I got the gag reflex because of the dead rats in the mystery meat slot that I think I told you about in part one

I got the gag reflex I couldn't eat it and to this day I've stayed vegetarian because of that I did some BBC interviews and a a council of a big reputation in London. He had an office out of Harley Street, which is very prestigious,

contacted the BBC and said, look, he heard me tell the BBC, the cockroach story and other stories I've told you. He said, look, I want to contact this guy and offer him a job speaking in the schools. And I was blessed that such good people

came into my life to help me get my public speaking career going and get my books going. 13 books now. Just published Pablo Esco Story Part 3 this week. That's my 13th book. So he offers me this job speaking in the schools. I said, look, I'm a bit institutionalized. I've got to get my head straight.

I really appreciate this, but it'll give me a bit of time to settle down before I speak in a school. I think it was about a year and a half later before I took him up on that job situation. My mom said I was like a puppy dog dog falling around the house waiting for orders. and in the end

I moved down south into the house of one of my former ecstasy suppliers Mike Hot Wheels is one of the main characters in party time he was supplying ecstasy out of L.A. to me before I started to go through Holland he was a rave DJ as well out of Manchester which is you know near where I was

I grew up he's 10 years older than me so he's a bit of a mentor for me as I was coming up in the drug scene. And Mike got arrested in prison, in the feds in America. He was, he ended up. And his case was running a few years before mine. So he got released before me, got this house in Guildford.

And he's like just moving with me. And because that's near London, that's how I was able to make the necessary connections to get my career back on track. Now, what did you do to get your career back out track? So what did you do to make money? I mean, obviously there's a big mental shift for you. You were, like you said, you were full of testosterone. You were all about making millions of dollars.

You were doing whatever you were doing, Coke, ecstasy, all that stuff. And like fast-paced lifestyle, just like the Wolf of Wall Street. And there was obviously a huge transformation that happened to you inside prison. So now, what is your outlook when it's, you? comes to making money or rebuilding your wealth? So I went from that greed is good motto to just taking it as it came and trying to rebuild my life from scratch. And I do enjoy, my therapist said I enjoy building things up, but then I knocked them back

down again when I got to get to the top. So I knew I was not going to knock it down again. I was just going to make slow and steady progress in life. Now, it was in the maximum security jail. my writing got smuggled out back in 2003, 2004, that caused the blog, John's Jill Journal, that attracted international media attention to Sheriff Joe Pyer's Hellhole. And a literary agent did approach me about a book. And when I got out, that literary agent died.

So then I'm like contacting literary agents and publishers saying I've got the best story in the world and the best right in the world didn't have a clue what i was doing i was just burning bridges completely so i won a short story contest that my mom had entered me into through a charity called prisoners abroad and i've forgotten it it was about shitslinger in supermax oh yeah i remember that story yeah yeah well this was a whole different shitslinger story oh really yeah yeah um that was made into a short story. It was about a white guy who was in the Supermax and this big shit slinger. It was about a battle between them, two, that they had going on for a long time and what

happened. So I win a short story contest. I'm asked to read it at the Royal Festival Hall. And the people who I've won this award through, I call the Cursela Trust. So Prisoners Abroad entered it. Curseller Trust gave me the award. And these wonderful people, some of the money from my books go. them now to this day because they just do such great work helping prisoners rehabilitate through art

that's what curse the trust do they're based out of london they put me on their mentor scheme so i published author came and um met me every month in the london museum and stuff and within um within a year of this lady working her magic i had a literary agent and that guy um he helped me fine-tune as well. And then he got me a deal with Random House who originally published my life story as a trilogy before I got the rights back. Now, I'm thinking, right,

you know, the author, the term author, as associated with it, the biggest misconception by the public of income. Authors are actually some of the lowest paid people in the world if you look at the average income for an author. People think of J.K. Rowling, Stephen King. They think everybody who's in office making that much money, but they're not.

Most offers are broke. And that's a loan. That the hard way. Then I'm thinking, well, no, for now. I'm going to make all this money. Yeah. So I'm selling a hundred thousand pounds worth of books a year for random house. We're doing that a lot.

I'm doing book signings. And by book signing, I mean me and my mom are in the store all day long from nine o'clock till five o'clock handing out leaflets and putting people in headlock. making them buy the bloody book they're not all lined up at a table because I'm so famous and I can just sit there and sign books and leave after an hour me and my mom we just oh man we're going to up and down the country doing that wow selling 100,000 pounds of a book a year that's like $120,000 I got a check every six months in random house how much do you think that check was uh $10,000 two two $2,000. Jesus Christ. Yeah. So it taught me a long time, man, to rebuild and to make an income decent enough to start

investing in my own podcast and stuff like that. That's kind of how a lot of people have to start, though. I mean, when you start fresh and something like that, you kind of have to, you got to start without, you have no recollect, you don't know how anything works. You have no connections. You have no leverage. You just, you're fresh out of prison and that's how you learn. It's something 10 years to become.

a million in the stock market. It took me 10 years for my initial drug purchases for me to be doing the millions in the excessy trafficking business. It took equally that long to become a bestseller on Amazon. Wow. Is that how long it's been since you got out?

Or did you publish? I got released in December 2007. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So what I've done then is I've expanded because of my platform now as such, rather than just be writing about myself and talking about myself, I now interview other people who've got out of prison,

help them get their stories out, help them get book deals. My own publishing company now Gathly Press is working with about 10 of my podcast guests. It's all true crime, getting their books out as well. Right. All those good people who helped me, I remember. And I'm trying to be one of those people now giving other people a leg up, especially guys have just got out of prison. Hmm What How would you describe how Not necessarily reading

But writing Has changed your life So Writing Has become my life You know I read over Someone said reading

Would improve my writing I read over a thousand books That became the lifeblood of my rehabilitation And blogging In prison Save my sanity writing about the conditions

helped me deal with the conditions and then when the responses came in from the public it was like the spirit of those people was right there with me in the cell when you say blogging what do you mean by that okay so when I was in Mac security I started to write everything down in the beginning it was about the cockroaches

okay that's how my writing got discovered now I couldn't just post what I couldn't just post what I wrote because the guards can opened your mail. You know, we wanted to expose what was going on. But my aunt would visit me in Mac's security. So I figured out a way for her to get those written notes out of the jail.

And when I look back at those written notes now, they're all crinkled with sweat because I was sat in that cell sweating all over the paper with my little pencil sharpened on the door. So what she did was, she came and visited me. I couldn't hand what I'd written to her because in Mac security she's behind the plexiglass screen I'm in a cubicle I've got one hand handcuffed to

the table and another hand holding a telephone do you remember in the Silence of the Lambs when Hannibal Lecter first met Clarice Starling I think so and Hannibal comes down to that dungeon I'm sorry Clarice Starling the FBI agent comes down Is it he in that like, he's in like a fish tank type thing, right?

She comes down to the dungeon and he's behind the plexiglass screen and she's speaking to him. Yeah, it's a bit like that. So what I could do was a property release. And what that means is in my cell, I'm only allowed seven books. If I go over that, I've got to release it, my old mail, my old legal paperwork, I can release that to my aunt. Now, to do a property release, you've got to get a form called a tank or, order, you got a beggar guard for that, you got to fill it out, and then his superior has got a sign off on it. Then you go up to the property with your tank order doing the penguin shuffle, because I'm in my

security, so my hands are cuffed, my legs are cuffed, doing the penguin shuffle, holding onto my property with my property release. I gave that to the visitation officer with what I'd written hidden in it. Now, the guards are trained to search for contract. band drugs cash syringes so they don't notice stuff that i've got hidden in property that's you know just written down right that stuff is on the guard's desk while i've got the visit with my aunt so i'm looking over if you've seen my locked up a broad episode on national geographic yeah it shows me and my aunt you know with my aunt and i'm looking over the guard's desk i'm sweating thinking he's going to find it.

And at the end of the visit, my aunt claims the property from the guard. She walks out of the maximum security Madison Street jail with it, goes home, types them up, emails them to my parents in my hometown witness near Liverpool and Manchester. My parents put them online as a blog, John's Jail Journal, not shown, because I think we discussed in part one that the guards were merging mentally ill prisoners. But did I tell you about that? They were doing what to mentally ill prisoners? Mergering them.

No, you didn't. I don't think you did say that. Okay, then. I've got videos on my channel of guards murdering mentally ill prisoners, including war veterans. Now, the cases that came about back then, Brian Crenshaw was classified

as a partially blind shoplifter, failed to produce his ID for the evening meal. The guards pulverized him, broke his neck, severe internal injuries. He went into a coma and died a month later. People can Google these names. Scott Norberg, mentally ill man, they bring him in. Guards start beating him and electrocuting him with tasers.

A female guard tries to stop it. Stop beating him. His faces turn blue. They ignore her and they keep beat him. him the prisoners start to yell why are you still beating him he is already dead and they were like a pack of animals they couldn't even though he was by now a corpse right they could not stop beating the corpse just like a pack of animals once that's once that triggered they can't stop so those cases were caught on camera and family members of the victims of the guards soon

the jail and rewarded compensation. My question for you, Danny, is what do you think the boss, Sheriff Joe Arpaio did to some of those guards that were found responsible

in federal court for murdering those prisoners? I mean, I can't imagine they probably got paid leave or something like that or they got to retire early. Pay rises and promotions. Really?

So they just got rewarded and they kept their jobs. Rewarded. for murder, which is an incentive to kill. Apio always backs his guys up. Prides himself. America's toughest sheriff. Who gives a shit about prisoners?

That's his attitude. Yeah. So my mom was aware of these lawsuits and these cases and these people that the guards had murdered. Yeah. Now, the blog idea came from my dad. This was when blogs were just starting. Right. And we became the first prison blog.

And I think we were the first prison YouTube channel because it started. in 2007 my channel and I think we've put videos up in 2008 and my dad had read a book called the Baghdad blogger

by Salem Pax and that's how my dad learned about blogging and it was in the news this guy when the bombs were dropping on Iraq he lived there so he was describing

what the day-to-day life was like and this was making news in the UK so my dad read this and he He sent me even an article and he eventually sent me the guy's book. And I was very frustrated at the injustices that were being perpetrated, the human rights violations, not just on me, but on the prison population. I was outraged and I saw all the people profiteering from it.

So as an educated person, I wanted to expose it by any of the tools. So when my dad proposed this blogging thing, I was all over it, but my mom was like putting the brakes on. Because of the murders by the guard, she didn't not want us to do it. So then we came up with John, which is Irish for Sean anyway. They figured they just changed your name that would protect you. And that's what it did. Yeah, that's how we proceeded. It took a while for the authorities to catch up with it.

My blog now is, and all my books are classified as a threat to the security of the institution in Arizona. And prisoners are prohibited from accessing them. so my aunts got smuggled the stuff out I thought just my friends and you know some some few little people would read it yeah when I got moved over to supermax because of more tricks by the prosecutor

the BBC the Guardian ran it a major newspaper here they had an American cockroach on the front of the section and all the anecdotes I told you about the cockroaches yeah that's what got my writing discovered oh my goodness and then the b that's fucking amazing the BBC ran it and it's just not stopped the media has not stopped since um since then the interest has not stopped

since then how over 10 years ago so you were writing you were sitting sitting down in yourself writing daily yeah and i was writing letters to people get pen pales yeah people would read my blog contact the blog administration which was my parents and then my parents once they'd vetted them and found out you know they were good people would give them my prison address and they would write letters to me and send books to me and it

it got to the point where there's good and bad in every profession I'm going to give you a good guard story now I was at a prison later on in the Arizona Department of Corrections those last seven books in myself and a redneck prison guard with the aviator glasses on

chewing tobacco comes across the desert with a wheelbarrow full of books a cart full of books and there's like 100, 200 guys on the yard and all heads are turning because, you know, mail and books are gold. He gets to the bottom of my tier.

I'm on the upper tier and he yells up. He's like, Atwood, get your ass down here. So I go down and he goes, how many books are you allowed in yourself? I says seven. He goes, well, there's 50 something books in here. Everything over seven is now contraband and I can destroy them.

But I know you're sharing them with the fellas. You're filling the library up. I'm going to turn my head and look the other way. And I yelled all my mates over and they came down. And we were like a trail of ants across the desert all holding these little stacks of books. And when we got in my cell, it was like Christmas. We were sniffing the books. And two-tones, he introduced me to some of the more literary authors.

I was reading Stephen King when he came with myself one day. He's like, that motherfucker's churning out books like McDonald's is churning out hamburgers. You need to read some Tom Wolfe, some Norman Mailer, some John Updike. And they did become my favorite contemporary American authors, thanks to Two Tonys' influence. So Two Tony's in the Cell on that day that was like Christmas, sniffing, you know, Tom Wolfe's latest book and people are running off back to the cells of the books. yeah yeah so there are some good guards it's good and bad in every profession like I said and it just expanded from there

but I've got all this written content you know years and years of written content and there became a point two or three years ago where that's all I was focused on but I started to realize young people just want videos and I went on true Jodie podcast I think I had like I don't know

2,000 to 10,000 subscribers on my YouTube channel. I went on True Jordi podcast. Like three years ago, right? Yeah, I told my stories like I've been telling you. And that just caused my YouTube channel to blow up. So you asked about what I focused on in my life now, my profession. What I've done is transferred all of my written content

over to video. Right. Plus, interviewed loads of new people and got those stories and put that out as video as well. But now I'm reverse engineering that back into books. Okay. Man, what you're doing is absolutely, it's so, it's so impressive what you, what you've been able to do in the work ethic that you put into it. Like you just said today, you've probably done, you've already, you made a live stream video. You did another interview. Now you're doing this. You're like, well, my, my former crime part in a wild man calls me the robot.

He said, he calls you the robot. Yeah. But yeah, man, your work ethic is, is super admirable. And the content that you're creating and the amount of books. you're cranking out is is just it's amazing it's it really is a lot of it's thanks to the youtube viewers people watching this right now even because they have suggested video ideas and guest ideas and they've really it really stirred my channel to the point where it's got this momentum yeah man it's it's it's it's it's admirable i i truly i truly love it and those books those two books on each side of your head american made yeah and what's the other one called clinton and the CIA conspiracies.

Clinton Bush and CIA conspiracies from the boys on the tracks of Jeffrey Epstein. Now, right today, is this morning who was arrested by the FBI? Oh my goodness. We never thought it would happen. Never. Prince Andrew's partner in crime?

Galane Maxwell. Also, the madame. You call her a madame to Jeffrey Epstein. Not just a chief. procurer and co-conspirator but also someone who participated in assaulting the kids. Now what does this mean for her to be arrested by the FBI today? It's huge because if it's not getting swept under the carpet and it's a conspiracy case like this, I looked at the indictment today. I did a one-hour video whereby I read the indictment out on YouTube on a live stream and she has got six charges.

the last two are perjury, which aren't that significant, but the first four are hugely significant trafficking kids for sexual abuse and participating in the abuse. She's facing multiple life sentences. So the only way she's going to get out of this situation now is if she turns snitch and coughs up some big names. So how long before she gets suicided? That's it.

She presents the exact same risk now to the elite. who suicides Epstein that Epstein presented. But if she gets whacked, that is just too obvious. Well, they don't go because it ends there, doesn't it? It ends there. If she goes and names Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew in a court trial, government agencies have to take action if she says they are having sex with kids. They can't get to that.

It's got to be stopped. Jesus Christ, the shit gives me. me chills, man. It is so fucking scary. It's great because the Epstein case, all of a sudden there was no news for days. And then, bam, they grabbed her, the chief procurer.

Now, she's close with the CIA, right? She knows people in the CIA, right? She's got connections. So do you think she knew this was coming? If you go back to the history of Robert Maxwell, he had connections of all the intelligence agencies. He was far bigger player than Epstein

or Galane. But once you become a liability, they take you out. He was off the Canary Islands on his yacht, the Lady Galane, thinking that some money was forthcoming from a certain country and an intelligence agency. And they had a hit squad in dinghies below the radar. He's up on deck. They come up.

They were planning it. Bam, get him in the neck of a syringe with a poison that's untraceable. That's how they took him out. And it's still debated to this day how he died. But in the assassination of Robert Maxwell, and I have interviewed Erie Ben Manashy who's prominent in that, it looks like that's what went down. So when these people, even though they've got all these connections to the world,

and Maxwell, he could sit down with the president of Russia, president of Israel, president of America, with MI5, the CIA, MI6, the Mossad, you name it. Right. When these people become a liability. They've got to go. So she can have all the connections in the world, but once you become that liability, you've got to go.

I know you watched the Epstein documentary on Netflix, Filthy Rich. Yeah. What were your thoughts on that overall? Man, I was in tears watching the victims. Yeah. Because you know, you interviewed a lot of those women. I've interviewed Maria Farmer,

and I've had interactions with others online. And just to hear the judge say that, you know, they were human beings and they were victims. weren't child prostitutes and criminalised, which is what Dershowitz and his crew tried to do to them. And Acosta, absolutely disgusting people. Just to see the happiness in them to be acknowledged as human beings. And today, this must be a huge day for them.

I've been watching all day on Twitter to see if Maria or Virginia have tweeted yet, because they must be inundated right now. This is a result of their bravery, what has happened, that they've not dropped this case, and they've kept going no matter what. You know, Maria Farmer had private detectives outside of her house, shining lights and in the middle of the night, threatening her life. One of the bodyguards that Wexner property was, you know,

psyching himself up to kill her, and she managed to get out of that situation. The things that these women went through is proper horror movie stuff. So, you know, I urge people all over the world to go on Twitter and support Virginia and Maria Farmer and send them a tweet and follow them. I wanted to touch a little bit on your book about Pablo Escobar and George Bush. George Sr., right? Yeah, of course, yeah. So who was Barry Seal?

Okay, so my book American Made is about the CIA Cocaine Flying Pilot Barry Seal. There was also a movie starring Tom Cruise, which was a complete whitewash. It did show some things as they allow more to be shown, but a whitewash about the more hardcore stuff. So the subtitle is Who Kill Barry Seal? The George H.W. Bush or Pablo Escobar. Okay, so who killed him? Was it Pablo

or was it George Bush? All right. So you've got Barry Seal flying in cocaine to Arkansas. You've got this operation is run by George H.W. Bush and Oliver North with full national security CIA protection.

The state of Arkansas is run by then Governor Bill Clinton. So he's providing the police, state police, to protect it. And it all went wrong when two kids were found dead on railroad tracks. And the first chapter, the stories of four people interweave throughout this book. Okay. And Linda Ives is the mom of Kevin Ives, who was one of the boys on the tracks. Okay. Now, evil Bill Clinton had a corrupt medical examiner who basically would give him whatever verdict method of death he required. So the method of death on these two boys, it was ruled that they'd got so high on

weed, they'd gone into a psychedelic trance and lay down side by side on the railroad tracks and the train had run over them. Well, actually, they'd seen the drug drop and the bodyguards had seen the kids and the kids were snuffed out. That's what really happened. And Linda Eyes has been trying to get justice from Bill Clinton to this day. And he won't even acknowledge her. And how do you know this? Like, how can you confidently say this?

Because Charlene Wilson was there at the scene. And Dan Lasseter, she was a drug-addicted lady who was being used by these players. Dan Lasseter was a guy who was pretending to be Dr. Lasseter picking up medical organs. Terry Reid wrote a book called Compromised. He was working with Barry Seal. He didn't know about the Coke until later when he got moved to Mexico after Barry Seale died. But Terry Reed and other pilots have all come out and said they were bringing the Coke

in and Terry Lee Reid he's got a book called Compromise it's huge and this is a CIA guy and he details he details the whole thing so it's not from conspiracy theories

all my information is from people who were arrested people who were cops protecting the Clintons and people who were working for the CIA and all these people's stories correlate with each other absolutely because it's the truth I believe it 100%

and even Even the public. You know, 10, 20 years ago, if you told the public that the U.S. federal government was waging a war on drugs while bringing the cocaine in that spawned the crack epidemic, you were called a conspiracy theorist. Oh, 100%. But now everybody accepts that the war in Nicaragua had to be financed, was being financed by cocaine. And George H.W. Bush and all of an awful running that. People fully accept that now. Okay.

So Barry Seal was flying in cocaine. Yeah. To where? To Arkansas and weapons back down to Nicaragua. While all this while Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas. Yeah. And Bill Clinton was hooked on cocaine himself. His brother Roger was hooked on coke and got arrested in a cocaine deal.

And the undercover cop recorded him saying some of this is for Bill. He's got a nose like a vacuum cleaner. There's a video recording of Roger Clinton. after he's been arrested, saying a bunch of crazy expletives and talking about... All racial words and expletives. Yeah, that's what those guys were like. They get on TV and say they're fighting a war on drugs. And behind the scenes, they are running the drugs and they're locking up all the lowest-level users to make profits off it.

This is how psychopathic and evil these people are. Clinton ended up hospitalized because of nasal damage from all the coke he was doing. Hillary went down the hospital. little, threatened all the staff. Deviated septum, right? Yeah, and said to all the staff, any of this comes out, you are ruined. Your careers are over. I will wipe the flow of you.

All the women that Clinton was having sex with, some consensual, some not, lawsuits were settled. Hillary found out where all those women were, and they were stalked, pets were murdered, and they were threatened never ever to say a single thing. Not because she was jealous. she was just supporting his rise to power because their rise to power was together. It really was like the fucking House of Cards. Yep, there's a book called Partners in Power, which details it all.

And that, again, is testimonies from Arkansas State Police protecting the Clintons. Prosecutors who were trying to prosecute drug deals who ended up death-threated. All kinds of crazy stuff went on. Dan, the prosecutor, that pretended to help Linda Ives that was coming in as the saviour to get her justice

was later sent to prison for running a drug ring Wow I think his name was Dan Harmon I'm getting confused there's two Dan's in my book There's Dan Harmon and there's Dan Lasseter One was the finance guy who was laundering the cocaine money for Clinton Okay

And contributing to him And if you wanted to launder your money If you want to be part of that they were doing loans through Arkansas Development Finance Authority. This is the scam they set up. According to Larry Nichols, who worked for them, another insider. A hundred million a month was getting laundered through ADFA. And to get a loan from ADFA that you never had to be paid back,

you had to submit your application with a check for five or ten grand or whatever. It's a Rose Law firm where Hillary Clinton was at. wow man don't forget Hillary Clinton was a person who got a pedophile off it done so much damage to his victim and she was cackling about it afterwards when she was a lawyer weren't there people who had

there was autopsy reports of people with like multiple shotgun wounds to their chest that was labeled a suicide yeah the medical examiner who said the boys had laid side by side on the tracks those people being decaptu. and they said it was stomach ulcers.

People were hundreds of stab words. And they say, you know, whatever. And there was a term, there was a term developed for this kind of of, this type of suit. Arkansas. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely, man. An Arkansas suicide, a.k.a. Clinton murder.

All the way from the boys on the tracks to Jeffrey Epstein. Okay, now let's go back to this guy Barry Seal. Yeah. So he was literally flying this cocaine back to the US. I never answered your question.

Who killed him? That's right. Yeah. Okay. So Barry Seal is flying the cocaine in and the weapons out to Nicaragua. He's doing all kinds of shady transactions on the side. And he gets in trouble with the DEA. So what you're seeing here is a pattern, whether it's Epstein, whether it's Galane Maxwell, whether it's Robert Maxwell, of people working with the intelligence agency,

but getting in so much trouble, they cross a line whereby they become a liability. That's exactly what happens with Barry Seale. He gets in trouble with the DA. He knows all this stuff about the cocaine shipments. Too much information. He's a liability. As he gets in more trouble with the DEA, he starts sweating George H.W. Bush to help him to get out of the situation. George H. Sullivan Bush does not help him.

What happens is a federal judge on his case with the DEA orders Barry Seal that he's no longer able to carry a gun. Orders Barry Seal that he's no longer able to have armed bodyguards. Orders Barry Seal to live in a halfway house with a fixed address. Now, Barry Seal, George's... during his work for the DEA to try and get himself out of trouble, had snitched on Escobar, and Escobar had a contract out on him.

But they couldn't catch him. Barry Seale said, I could see a Colombian mile away in Louisiana. So the federal government knew, Bush knew, take away his guns, take away his armed bodyguards, put him at a fixed address, the Medellin cartel are going to wipe him out like that.

And that's exactly what happened. So who killed him? Who killed him? Both. Both. Wow. Bush took away his protection and made him vulnerable. And the hitman came in.

And oddly enough, I just interviewed a couple of days ago. I think you got, you interviewed him as well, I think. Yeah, Jorge Valdez. Yeah. Yeah. And he talks about this because he met one of the shooters, didn't he, of Barry Seal? He met the hitman. Did he really?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what I believe went down. That's what Barry Seale's son

believes went down. He gave me a quote for the book. He said, you know, it's the only one who's put the truth out there. And the other question, oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Or I forgot. Bobby Seale was found dead.

And there was a phone number on him. And that was the line, the phone number for George H. W. Bush was found on him when he was... What? And of course, the feds come in and just take all the evidence right away. And how are you able to uncover this? Because it's just been thoroughly documented by everybody involved in the case. Terry Reid, credit to him, his book compromised.

Now, Terry Reid, Terry Reid was a straight shooter. And Barry knew he was a straight shooter, and he did not tell him that there was cocaine coming back. He just told him, you know, patriotism, communism, fighting this war. Nicaragua, the guard of the weapons. Terry Reid had no idea. Now, Barry Seale's dream was to have a CIA-sponsored airline like Southerner transport, but do it over Mexico. And the CIA proceeded to set that up with Terry Reid.

But when Terry Reid learned about the drug shipments, he blew the whistle. And then he had to go on the run. They criminalized him. They tried to kill him. And it's all detailed in his book compromised. I urge people to go and read it. And these are insiders. These are insiders.

They're not conspiracy theorists. Just putting this out there. Right. So, all right. So Escobar then. Columbia has a cartel boss in each area. So you've got, you know, Rodriguez Gatcha is the boss of the Bogota region. You've got the Oruela brothers,

Gilberto and Miguel, the Cali cartel, bosses of Cali. You got Pablo, the boss of Medellin. You got the Castagno brothers, who were instrumental, some of Pablo's guys

who were instrumental in his death. You got all these big traffickers across the country. That's the point that I'm saying. The king pins. The king pins, yeah. The US come along. And,

you know, because of drug, laws, cocaine's going for what, 60 grand a kilo in the 1970s, coming down and coming down slowly into the 80s. Pablo can source coca paste for $60 a kilo out of Peru and Bolivia in the beginning. So because of drug laws, the profit margin is astronomical. It doesn't matter who gets arrested, the cocaine will always flow. Now, when there's something so profitable in the world as drugs, if you're the most powerful country in the world, you're going to want to lock that down.

And that's what the CIA did. They said, look, here's our justification. If the communists are running this and they arm themselves if it's broke money, they're going to be knocking on America's door. It's domino theory. You know, all these countries in Central and South America fall. Mexico falls.

Next thing, they're going to be knocking on our door. So we've got to control this situation. But at the same time, while they're profiting from, it, they're fighting a war, the US federal government is fighting a war on drugs. So the CIA has got

the highest level of security power and clearance. They're in charge of running the drugs. The DEA, another arm of the US federal government, is fighting the war on drugs. But by fighting the war on drugs, you choose who you can arrest

and you choose who you can allow to deal. It's the ultimate way to control the drugs, market and George H. W. Bush at a dinner was bragging when asked about this was bragging. It's beyond the public conception that people running the drugs. People fighting the war on drugs could be running the drugs. It's so beyond the public's. That's how he got away with it. He said it's because it's so beyond what the public's minds will accept the arrogance of these fucking psychopaths. Wow. Yeah, yeah. So if you're fighting the war on

drugs what do you need a boogie man Pablo Escobar was the boogie man and all of the figures yeah the Medell and cartel were doing a lot but all the figures that the US prosecutors say are embellished and exaggerated and you know was it baron said he was the richest guy in the world all those years in a row well Juan Pablo Escobar said barons never came out and audited our finances you know how do they make these things. They make them up at the clear blue sky.

The term the Median cartel was made up by US federal prosecutors. Right. The more power make these prosecutions more easily and give them longer sentences. It's all a construct of the war on drugs. So you arrest Pablo. Such a victory. We're going to pose now with kilos of cocaine. That's George H. O'O.Posing with kilos of cocaine.

Going to get more votes. All about the votes. Cali cartel takeover. It almost seems kind of counterintuitive for them to kill Pablo, though, right? Because Pablo was fueling this whole thing. Why would they kill him? Well, they didn't kill him. He killed himself. But they set things in motion that killed him with his enemies.

It was his own men that hunted him down in the end. The Castagnos brothers were in charge of the operation. They were the head of the deaf squad, Las Pepe's. And Don Burner was their lieutenant, who was their lieutenant, was on the ground who went into the house with his brother's seed. There was some cops there, but they always sent Los Pepe's in the death squad first, and then they would have to disappear because they were in illegal death squad, and the police would take the credit.

The police were shitting themselves about Pablo, but they were using technology to track him down with the authorities and working with the authorities. Right, right. So they go in. The Castagnar brothers have announced that they're going to capture Pablo alive. They're going to have his arms and legs surgically removed. and they're going to keep him alive and they're going to throw the stumps on Medellin. The king of Medellin is now, you know, this stump.

And that would guarantee their legend. They were going to chop his kids up and send them to him in a sack. Now, Pablo died because of the love of his family. He stayed on the phone for too long. He caused the end to happen. And he always said to his men, he's got his famous six-hour pistol. He's going to shoot off so many bullets. And then he's going to put one in his head.

Look at how, you know, the line that bullet went through, almost one ear, almost perfect line through one ear and to the other ear, slightly out of place. But he'd been shot three times. I think it was three times. He'd been shot in the knee. It'd been shot in the shoulder. And one of the bullets that ended up lodged between his teeth. It was over for him.

And he knew that he had to get out the way to save his family. He sacrificed himself for the love of his family. And that's what's interesting about him is these contradictions. This guy who authorized the genital. electrocution and torture. One of the tortures they had was they would put rags with petrol into your mouth with, you know, gas that runs cars

into your mouth until your eyeballs popped down. They would, they wouldn't just kill you. They would kill whole generations of your family. Yeah, his lover for his family was so strong. You know, he died for his family. Now, he was made the boogeyman because he went to war with the government instead of just kicking back. According to Jorge Valdez,

there was people bigger than him who kicked back and stayed out the headlines. And in the 1980s, when Pablo was making all this news, war with the government, you know, Felix Gallardo was rising up as the Mexican cartel boss without making any news headlines whatsoever. That was a far shrewder strategy. When they took the Colombians down, the Mexicans took over because it doesn't matter which country you take down, another country's is going to pick you up because the profit margin is so high because of drug laws. But the feds need a a boogeyman. So, you know, we're just at El Chapo.

Yeah. Who is it going to be next? Have you read, have you read the book of Pablo's brother? I've read all the books on Pablo. Plus, I've got all of the books that have been written about Pablo in Spanish translated into English. Because I've just written the longest book ever about Pablo, four book series, over a thousand pages called Pablo Escobar's story, which completely transformed, getting all these translations, completely transformed my understanding of what happened.

And you're releasing this when? It's already released. I just released part three this week. This week? Yeah. Oh, it's a series. Okay. So you just release part three.

Yeah, just released part three. So part four is the only one remaining now. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. The first, my first introduction to that whole world was when I read the accountant's story from his brother.

What did you see, did you, when you read that, I mean, I felt like the perspective of that book was kind of unique to everything else because he was the only one living, right? That was that close to him. Yeah. And that's what took me on the sense to get closer to the truth because all the people living close to him or working for him, his wife, his mistress, Virginia Vallejo, his main hitman, Popeye. All those people had written books that were only in Spanish back then. and the guys that were there when he died in charge of the operation,

Carlos Costagna wrote my confession, Don Burner wrote Killing the boss, all in Spanish still not in English, all the truth is in the Spanish-speaking world. Now, I learned this because I wrote a book called Pablo Beyond Narcos. I did a talk in London, and a Colombian woman can watch through at the end and said there's far more that you don't know in the Spanish-speaking world.

Everything written in the English-speaking world was incentivized, and through the lens of certain agendas, such as the DEA, you know, the American heroes go in and kick the bad guys's ass. That's what Narcos has portrayed. It's the DEA perspective. Right.

There was an opportunity for Juan Pablo to give his input to Narcos and the DEA threatened to pull out. So there's an agenda here. It's the war on drugs. The DEA are the good guys. The US federal government is, you know, holier than thou protecting kids from evil drug dealers while the CIA is bringing the drugs in

wow man that agenda must be protected at all costs to keep the war on drugs going but it's falling down all this violence we're seeing now the social under arrest i think the war on drugs is tearing the fabric of society apart because the profit margin the amount of drugs sold every year legally gets bigger they estimate half a trillion to a trillion dollars and it's the biggest opportunity in the history of the world for criminal organizations including intelligence agencies to make the most profits

ever out of anything so they're all competing and that's what's causing all this violence in Mexico and all the knife crime in London or the media isn't telling you the majority of it is drug gangs competing and criminals competing for the black market profits

created by drug laws wow which is all fueled by prisons. Yeah, yeah. But look, Danny, it's time. Yeah, it's just two hours. I'm sorry. I know. It's time for me to go and do my jog while it's still light. Yeah, you got three more, you got three more interviews before you're allowed to go to bed. Cool, man. Thank you so much. And tell everyone all about where to get your new books and about your new content. Yeah, okay. So if you would be kind enough to put the links in the description for explore the video. Yep. My books are available worldwide on Amazon.

I'll send you a book, a link over to my library on my website. You know, I'm really appreciate your followers. My story resonating with them so powerfully. And it being one of the most watched videos on your channel, getting over a million views. Huge thank you to all the people who've put positive comments. I have been reading them down there. And if you do put the link into my channel as well. Absolutely.

Really appreciate you guys clicking over and subscribing and watching some of my content. And like I said, every week, you know, I'm interviewing someone with a heart. hitting prison story or an ex-cop story, ex-gangsters, mafia people. And I think some of the content will really resonate with your people. And please don't forget to go over and support Virginia and Maria Farmer and send them a message of love and respect and support on a day as important as this when Galane Maxwell gets taken down. Well, thank you so much, Sean. You know, I really appreciate you taking the time to do this and share your stories with, you know, with the subscribers on my channel as well.

And you're very kind and you're very interesting. And I appreciate you. All right. I appreciate your interest, Danny. Let's keep this going. Absolutely, man.