Danny Jones Podcast - #69 - Matthew Cox Teaches Bank Fraud | MasterClass

Episode Date: January 5, 2021

Matthew Cox fans are begging him to teach mortgage fraud. He explains. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This is, this is no good. We're live on Christmas Eve with Matthew B. Cox. This is a baby beard. This is not a good beard. How's it going, Matt? Thanks for joining the show on Christmas Eve. That's like a bad Santa beer. It is.

That was a great one. The movie's hilarious. Awesome. Well, I'm not wearing this the whole time. Are you better now? Did you officially recover from Corona? Yes. Coronavirus.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. How you feeling? How was it? Are you wearing your? your headphones this time? Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, we gotta wear our headphones?

Okay. Headphones are good. Wear your head. Oh, you've got them on. Never mind. All right. Forget it. Don't listen to me.

Jeez. All right. How is your Corona experience? Oh, wow. That's so weird. Yeah. Krista. How, um, Corona?

Yeah, how did you get Corona? How long did it last? Tom and give me the skinny on it? I had it bad too. Like I listened. Like up until I got it, I was like, I've had a cold before. I'll be fine. So what?

It's the flu. What's a big deal? bro, I was down two weeks. Two weeks. I was sick for, like, what happened was, what happened was, I got, one day I started having a little bit of a cough. No big deal. And my, my girlfriend came over at that, like, she came over that night. Okay, no big deal.

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oh no and my whole body was achy and I thought how could I be achy like feel like this like I didn't work out hard or anything how am I so fucked up listen I couldn't get out of bed I mean I like crawled out of bed and I was like I'm so I'm in so much pain I was sweating and then I laid back down with like baby I was like I because we're supposed to go to church and I go baby I don't I don't think church Matt Cox goes to The church?

I knew he's going to Oh, fuck. Repent. That sounds like a movie. Repent. That sounds like a movie. Ernest goes to church. Listen, my girlfriend.

But that's the church. And I want to go to church because I want to, you know, we can do that together. And she likes that. And if it's important to her, then it's important to me. God bless you.

Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. My Lord is a savior. Hey, pour me some of that Bailey's in here. Ooh, we got fucking Bayleys on the pot. So anyway. So what?

You're all fucked up. What do you wake up and go to the doctor? No, I just, no. I laid in bed for like an hour or so, and she was like, what's wrong with you? How do you feel? Like, what are your, and so as we slowly started talking, she was like, you've got all the symptoms of COVID. Of COVID. She was everything.

Who, your girl said that? Yeah. And we looked it up and we read them off and I had a bunch of them. And then, look, I laid in bed, we laid in bed all day, slept all day. And then she left the next, either that night or the next morning. and then yeah man then the next day

I couldn't get out of bed the next day and then I'd say on oh no no you know what happened that Monday right then that next day that was Sunday

so then on Monday morning I went straight got tested bam it said COVID so I was like fuck how long did you have to wait in line for like 45 minutes

maybe an hour goddamn well they just tested you right through your car like a drive through no everybody says that this wasn't this was a Bradenton I had to get out

I just stand in line I'm hacking and coughing. Everybody else is there to do it for work. Like they're all like, oh, I got to get tested for work. And I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there hot and sweating one minute. And then the next minute I'm like, fuck, it's cold. I should have brought a jacket.

And it was perfect. It was a great day. It was like 70 degrees. And guys, people are looking at me. And then this one woman's looking at me. She's like, how do you feel? I was like, I feel horrible. And she had already had it.

And she came back because she had blistered. or something on the bottoms of her feet. Fuck. Oh, she was telling me, she said, oh, yeah, some people are getting, like, their toes are turning red. And there's all kinds of weird, new symptoms. Anyway, but she was like, yeah, you're probably,

you might have a hard time. And I was like, I run, like, four miles a day. I'm going to be good. I'll be over this in a couple days. So when they, when they tested you positive? Wrong. Way wrong about that. What did the nurses there say to you once you were positive?

Have you been tested? Yes, I have been. I'm negative. My wife actually just recently got tested too She's negative But they had like a van set Did you go stand in line Or you did you go wait in line?

Did you see the thing with the guys The gloves were like Hazmad No Okay listen So this thing I wait in line After I get in line The first thing you have to do is you go to

Like these military Like these police guys right But there's like the military And they You show me your ID You get a kit Then you go Then this guy authenticates the kit

Then you walk up the stairs Like it was a fucking tow forever So I go up there They had two plexic, like, whatever, glass or plexiglass windows with these people that have like like, you know, like gloves.

Like they're standing behind it and they have gloves. And they're like, okay, take the kit. Okay, they take the kit. They do the whole thing. They, okay, they do the whole thing. And then they drop it in the box and they say, okay, you'll be, someone will test, somebody will, well, you'll be contacted or emailed or in the next, you know, within 20 minutes.

And by the time I got back to my car, I'd already gotten like 10 minutes later. or five minutes later. I was so messed up. I walked right by my car and walked all the way to the wrong parking lot. God, damn. Got there and was like, where did I park? Where did I park?

And I was like, you idiot, you parked right next to the line. I'm like, oh, my God. Turned around, came all the way back. And my phone went off. I checked out. And boom, it said, you know, positive. When you were positive, did the nurses tell you anything, like what you should do? I got a phone call from somebody with the Hillsborough County CDC, like, or whatever you want to call.

whatever the local the county cdc type thing that's mansy county down there well okay well it was manate well it wasn't the cdc but whatever was it was like the county cdc situation and she called and she's like okay how do you feel how this i was like oh this and this and this and she just told me look you know all she was like you know take zinc take you know vitamin d vitamin c sleep as much as you can lay in bed drink lots of water you know all the stuff you're supposed to say yeah mom would say Yeah. Eat some chicken noodle soup. Yeah.

You'll be all right. So what did you do? You're healthy. You shook it off in like, what, 48 hours? No, it's like two weeks later. Two weeks? God, damn. Here's the thing.

You know how everybody talks about like, oh, I keep, you can't. First of all, I couldn't taste anything. And that had already, that had already happened. I didn't realize it until I started looking, looking back, like, and thinking, I told you guys about getting like a flat tire, right? No. Anyway, anyway, I had gotten a flat tire. And I actually, my car is so cheap, they don't even have a,

You don't even have a spare tire. So, and this was during the tropical storm thing. So anyway, when I got out of the car and I had to take the big platform thing in the back to try and remove the tire that isn't actually there, it's actually like a big can of fix-a-flat. I got it, it got all wet. So then my car smelled like mildew. Jess had said, your car smells like mildew, do you smell that? And I went, no.

And she goes, you don't smell that? And I was like, no. And that was during the day, remember? It wasn't until the next day that I realized it was sick. So it was already happening. I couldn't smell anything. I realized that. next day because I went when I went home like I went to I took a shower after the thing and I

sprayed cologne on I was like I can't smell this at all like what usually you it's overwhelming right right nothing so I started realizing whoa I got some problems so then I was sick for a while like I was in bed for two or three days then I was so bored look by the way by this point jess got sick I was gonna ask that she gets sick too yeah she got sick because we couldn't have been more close that night, you know? Fuck. So does she actually get tested or she just like trunk it up to the game? I got COVID too because I'm next to Oh no, she went and got checked. She went and got checked. And she

works at a like a dairy plant So she can't she got she got tested and then Dairy plant. Fuck. Yeah so she Sounds gnarly. So she got tested and they won't let you. She obviously She can't work there. Yeah. So couldn't go to school. Came and stayed with me for a couple days And then by like day day day two or something like that like the

second or third day she goes, I can't lay in bed anymore. She goes, I'm going to, I'm going to go fishing. And I went, I, I'm, I'll go. And she was like, yeah, sick, sweating, tired, achy. She goes fishing. What kind of fishing does she do? Fishing.

I don't know anything about fishing. She doesn't tell you where she goes fishing? She sends me pictures of fish. That's all you know. Bold fish. What kind of fish? I don't know. Do you got a picture on your phone?

I got a bunch of picture. I want to see what kind of fish he's catching. I don't know what kind of fish they are. I mean, if you sure. me the picture i could probably figure it out jones knows it's a goddamn angler i'm a goddamn fish man

you see those tridents over there in the corner you ever watch your deck hands nobody watches decking what you're talking um i got wait i got bad pictures in here is she fishing for grouper is she getting tilapia in the lakes

oh i got a she's fishing for trouser snake yeah she is what the hell is that jones that's not a i don't know what the fuck that's not a fish that looks like a he almost he almost said that's not a fish. That looks like a bass.

It does look like a bass. That's a fucking bass, bro. She's fishing in... Bass fishing? She's fishing? She's fishing in the lakes. Yeah. Wow. I don't know. I guess. Landau, you live in Landau Lakes. That makes sense. No, I don't. We don't. This is down by

Bradenton. There's tons of little place, you know, out there. She's fishing for trouser trout. So she goes off, she goes fishing, right? You know what she did the next day? Well, actually, it was the same day. She went that. She didn't fish the first day. The first day she got home and her dad said, hey, if she was going to go fishing,

he's like, well, if you got the day off, he said, I got all the stuff to fix the brakes on my car if you want to fix them. And she was like, yeah, I'll fix them. So she spent all day replacing her dad's brakes. Damn, she can replace brakes? I told you when my alternator went bad. And I was like, look, let's just. This bitch is rugged, bro. Best case scenario for Matt.

You know Matt ain't changing those bucks and shit. Matt ain't getting those hands dirty. Look at those perfect. manicured fingernail. It was horrible. When my, when my, my car stopped, she gets out with the jumper cables and puts them on hers and gives them to me. And I looked at them and I went, um, what do I do? So I was like, which one's positive? And she looked at me. She goes, oh, Jesus, God, I'm on. She was just, give me the, boom. She puts them on. She goes, let it run. Let's charge the battery. I'm like, well, should we drive started? Let's go. And she's like, let it charge. We don't know what's wrong.

She goes, you got to get home. I said, no, let's go to the garage across the street. I'm just going to park it there so they can fix it. And she goes, it's, it's your her alternator. She goes, it's three bolts. I'll fix it this weekend. And I went, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't tell anybody this story. But it's the first thing you can't do. But anyway, I dropped it off and she's like, you know, I'll just go, I can, it's not a big deal. I was like, I cannot let you. There's no way. So yeah, she's a gangster. So she fixed her dad's breaks to one day. The next day she went fishing. Next day she came back. She was over it in three days. I was down for two weeks. Oh my. I couldn't.

It was so bad. Remember I told you I built that thing, the wall? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In your studio. In my studio. So I built this two walls, but I built, I bought all the wood for one.

Wow. When I went to Home Depot, got the wood, came back, unloaded the wood. I had to lay down and go to sleep for like an hour. Then the next day, I cut the wood. Like I could get up, cut the wood. And it wasn't that I couldn't breathe. It was that I was immediately felt like I had just gotten off of, like, I just run like five miles. Like I was just like at one point

You finally stand up and you're just like Hmm I haven't done anything I've been active for barely active For five minutes Yeah And I'm like But I didn't feel like I couldn't breathe

Do you need nausea? Do you throw up at all? I haven't thrown up since 1992 Really? Yeah And that was only because I was poisoned You were poisoned I was poisoned I smoked a cigar

And I didn't spit out the saliva No thank you Which apparently you have to do Like I was talking to my cousin Nate and I said, bro, I don't have any vices. And I was like, I need a vice. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do anything.

I need a vice. And he goes, what about cigars? How about mortgage fraud? That was later. So I smoke a cigar throughout the night as we were playing put puck golf. And by the 18th hole, I was puking my fucking guts out. Puked for like. You're probably inhaling it.

Not just that. I'm swallowing all the saliva. He kept. Yeah, he can't do all that. No, he kept spitting. And he would put it out. Yeah. And he knew what he was doing.

He knew he was getting me sick. Yeah. To beat you in golf? No, just in general, just to let me know, you don't need to be doing this. It's a bad idea. You don't need a vice. No.

He just bite the end off, bro. There's a little pin. What are these swisher sweets? Just bite the end off, yeah. Like a blunt rap. So that was it. I was down for... So two fucking weeks.

Two weeks. And then for the next week, I couldn't work out. I just started working out a couple days ago. That shit fucked you up First day, I did five minutes. Next day I did nine. Yesterday I did 15 minutes.

I'm trying to build up. On the elliptical? Yeah, I'm trying to build up to 30 minutes, but I'm still tired. I'm exhausted. Well, I'm glad you survived. I gained. Yeah, thank God. Did you think you were going to die?

I gained like eight pounds. I gained like eight pounds. I wait 175 right now. Did it ever cross your mind? You're like, I'm going to die. No, there was only, there was only, there was only one day when I was laying there in bed like after a week or so and I remember thinking bro if you don't start feeling better you may end up in the hospital like this this isn't normal you're going on like day 10 day 11 you're still sweating you still I'm still having you know I'm still have a fever going up and down I thought nah bro you you you can't go this long it's you're gonna end up you could fucking die next thing you know I'm sitting there I'm not a gangster and where I'm like, you're an old man.

Your girlfriend's already okay. You know, what the hell? It was horrible. That guy, Ben, I used to do the videos with, he got, fuck. He was in the hospital with, like, pneumonia and shit. He survived. If he survived, anybody can fucking survive. So all those people that died.

Oh, wow. We got some scratch-offs. Merry Christmas. Woo-hoo. These are $10 holiday cash blowouts. Nice. These are the shit. My wife won, like, $200.

on one of these the other day. You get rich off that. Don't forget about me. No, I'm not going to dany you. Yeah. He'll be like, uh, no, I didn't hit nothing. Matt Cox, don't lie to the people out there. I'm giving you more money than anybody else has ever.

Yeah. No, more than Bank of America. All right. What are we doing with, what are we doing about? Are we going to do these? No. What do you want to do with those? What are those?

What do you want to do with those? What are those? What are those? Do you bring some Christmas presents? Christmas? Cremis? You know what we could do? Presence?

Okay, so the first people that, the first emails that I get that say in the subject that say, you know, watch, right? Whatever, the first four that send me an email to my email address and subscribe to my channel, Matt Cox, and Inside True Crime. And like and comment on all the videos. Like and comment on all the videos. So the first four people that email me, we can put the email in your description, right? It's like Inside True Crime

Just tell them the email It's Inside True Crime At gmail.com Is that a guess? It's at gmail.com Yeah, at gmail.com Yeah, inside true crime. Right

At Bank of America.com. So, anyway, these are watches But you got to open one of the watches. Let's see one of those fucking, bro. The watches are cool, bro. They're like heavy. Come on, let's see them. That's what I liked about.

Is this for us? Is this a gift for us? No, it's not. It's a Rolex? Absolutely not. No, it's a... They're called... No, they're called Stanage.

And it's from the guys in the UK, but what I like is that they're like heavy, like they're nice watches. I've been wearing this thing for three months now. Looks like an ABA. Let's get a watch a pilot would wear. They're pretty cool, bro. And they're heavy. They're made of like stainless steel. They're good watches.

Pretty fancy. It's not my style, but it's fancy. It's nice. That's nice. Yeah, they come with like ownership papers. Oh, you got the... You got the papers? What do these things cost retail? I don't know. They're like three, 400 bucks.

Oh, wait, no, no, no. They're like 500 bucks because that's, it's like, they're like 350 euros. That's like almost 500 bucks. Oh, my goodness. Damn. Well, it's like 450, 450. Beautiful, Matt Cox. Nice, right? And you're just going to give these away to the first people that's...

Well, because he sent them to me and he told me to give them away. Because he was just like, say, I like your channel and their support. They got to do something. It can't be just the first person that you. emails you. They got to... What do you want to? What do you... I mean, you're...

They got to subscribe to all your shit and... Yeah, of course you have to... Prove. Send a screenshot to Matt Cox that you subscribe. The first four people that order a book are getting a watch with the book. So, that's simple. Now it's just confusing.

I don't... Yeah, what... I mean, you're killing me, but I don't know. Yeah. Now we don't know what the fuck's going on. I don't know what's going on. Somebody's... I'm just trying to get you some more money somehow. I mean, I appreciate it. It's Christmas. All right.

Fuck it. Send it. The first four Jemokes that fucking send an email. What is the... Subject watch. And Matt'll pick some random emails, four of them. I'll pick the first four. The first four? The first four?

That's good. I mean, the first four that say watch in them. That's good enough. It's called Stanedge, and you can go online. He's got a website. It's super cool, man. I think they're cool. Yeah.

We got new concrete shirts, too, you can buy. And you win nothing. You just buy it, and you can rep concrete or not. Limited. There's only a couple. There's no backhanded scam there. It's just you can buy it or not buy it. No giveaways, no games.

No games, no gimmicks, no giveaways. First person that sends me their social security number later. I'm surprised you didn't jump on that. The first four socias to come through. Oh, shit. Oh, I want to label this video, this episode, Storytime with Matthew B. Cox. Have you been getting lots of people hitting you up about,

about scams and you told me over dinner the other night. Yes, I have. Told me a couple of funny stories. They tried to get you to teach them how to do it. I was pretty fucking stunned. I'm not going to lie. You know, it's funny because, like,

I, when it first happened, like, I didn't say anything. I just didn't think it was a big deal. It wasn't until recently I started mentioning it to people. Like, after Boziac, the thing with John Boziac had told me about the guy, I wish I'll tell in a minute. When he told me that, I was like, oh, yeah, that's happened to.

me a bunch of times and he was like really i was like yeah this and this so then i ended up telling you and i've told other people and that people are like that are you serious and i'm like yeah you know i to me it's like what yeah that's just normal i'm like to me all all this is so bizarre nothing stands out anymore you're like a legitimate internet celebrity now is it slightly flattering that they're looking for to you for the advice well a little bit how many people Email you. It's got to feel a little good. It's kind of a little sickness.

How many people reach out to you on a daily basis? I probably get from this podcast. Probably. I mean, there was a time it was. No, you know, it's pretty, this part's pretty consistent. It's probably, probably maybe three to ten or five, ten, ten people a day. Wow. Three to ten.

That could be five. Could be. That are trying to get you to. No, no, no, no, not that. No, no, no. No, what, what, no. No. I want to say shame, but I'm going to say.

Hatrack. What Hatrack is trying to say is that basically... Supreme Hatrack. So like a year ago when I did that, the video, the first video, was it episode? The first podcast? Yeah, the first pot. What did I say? What did I did? Video. Sorry, podcast. The first podcast. You're talking about the first podcast that you ever did on concrete? Yes. Episode 40. The one about your personal story where you talk about your mortgage fraud adventures. Right. Where it all started. Right. So that one did like, super good and then within weeks of that I started getting these emails right you know constantly

getting emails and after probably a month or so maybe a month or two now maybe a month or so whatever it doesn't matter the point is eventually guys started reaching out to me saying you know bro if I could just talk to you know I just like to talk to you and maybe I'll buy you dinner you know um and I was like just I don't understand now by that point people were starting like I think I released my book and guys were saying, hey, can you, can I meet you and have you sign the book? And I was like,

I thought that was a little bit weird. Like the first three or four guys that did that, I thought, or wanted to just meet me and buy me lunch, I thought, that's really strange. And I remember going to, going to my friend Stacy and saying,

look, this is weird. You know what I mean? This is weird. Like, why would this guy, these two guys called me up. They want to meet me.

They, Tampa, they're going to drive over here, we're going to meet. They want to buy me lunch and just talk to me. That's weird, right? And she's like, I don't know. You know, people like you. You're likable. I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm kind of a dickhead. People really don't like me. She's like, no, you're, you have a nice. People do like you. So we went back and forth. And then literally a couple days later, another guy came in. And then like a week later, another one. I was like, this is insane. These guys all want to meet me. They want to mail me a book. They want to do this. And, and she goes, listen. She said, think of it like this. She's, I know you think it's strange. I know you think it's strange. She goes, but think of it like this. She said, remember that guy you sent me all those videos and said I should watch some of these? And I was like, and I go, yeah, yeah, Gary V.

She goes, right, Gary V. I said, right. She goes, if you could call up Gary Vee and take him to lunch, she goes, or you could go to lunch with him, she goes, would you? And I went, of course, man. Gary Vee is like, awesome. I love Gary Vee. And she was like, she's like, why? He's weird, bro.

I knew you were going to say that. Anybody who, you say that about everybody. But here's the great thing about Gary Vee Is that and she's like Why do you feel like that? I said because it's like And this is I already told her that I said It's like the stuff that he's saying Is things that I internally think in my head all the time

But I've never said never told anybody Like the way I feel he's verbalized things that I felt And so I'd feel there's like a connection there Not in a creepy way just like it's like wow bro I can't believe you said that because that's how I feel So and she goes that's how these guys feel And so then I stopped thinking it was weird and I just started thinking, you know what?

She goes, and you'd be, she was in a year ago when you were laying in your bunk bed, she was, you'd have been thrilled to have someone buy you lunch. And I was like, she's absolutely right. It was like, you know, you know what, drop the weird. Oh, this is weird. No, you should be thankful. You should be, it's, you should be gracious. And, you know, it's, it's a good thing.

I should be thrilled by it. I should be, you know, it's, it's great. So I started going. I went in the first two couple guys I met, they happened to both be in real estate. And we just sat there and talked about real estate. It was great. Next guy, signed a book, took a picture with him,

talked to him. He texted me every once in a while. That happened over and over again. And then I started getting the guys that were, can I just talk to you on the phone? Can I meet you? And I was like, sure, what's up? The guy wanted to drive in from Orlando.

I was like, yeah, what's up? So he texted me, and he was like, yeah, bro, can I call you? And I was like, yeah, called up. And I was like, yeah, what's up? And I said, and he's like, yeah, bro, man, you know, you're a legend, you're this, you're that. I was just like, I was a little over the top. I was like, okay, I'm not a legend. I'm a douchebag that just got out of federal prison.

I could barely pay my bills, but that's fine. And I was like, okay, okay, yeah, all right, bro, that's, you said that enough. You know, he's like, said it over and over again. And he's like, bro, you know, like, if you could just put me on the game, I was like, ooh. That went south real fence. Yeah. What game is that?

And he's like, you know, the whole real estate gang, like, you know, and I was like, oh, okay. I was like, yeah, you know, I don't really, not really supposed to be. I really can't do real estate. I can kind of talk to you about it, but he's like, no, you know, that fraud shit you done. Like that's some bad shit. Like right now I just do, I do some credit cards and stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like little stuff, little credit card here, little credit card here.

You know, I get credit cards and I do this and I do that. And my buddies and I was like, and then he's like, but you know, you're on that next level shit. I know you can bring my game. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, bro, you got the wrong guy. Now I'm like, okay. Oh, no, no, no, no. He's like talking about how he's making a couple grand here, a couple grand there.

But I can get him in that million dollar. I was like, yeah, I'm sorry. I appreciate you calling. Yeah. I'm backpedaling. He's like, no, I'm going to come down. I'll break you off too. I'm like, absolutely not.

Now we're definitely not meeting. Yeah. And I was like, no, no, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. Absolutely not. No, no, no. And I hunt the phone. And, you know, because these guys don't understand. Like, this guy might have done some state time for drugs.

I think he had said he did state time for drugs or something like that. It was like, you know, so first of all, I can't, I'm not even supposed to talk to you. And I'm saying, I like learning that during the conversation. So we start back, I start backpedaling. And I finally get off the phone with him. And I thought, wow, that's weird. But I didn't think anything of it. next thing I know, maybe a week later, I get another guy.

He's same thing. On the phone, can I just talk to you for a lot of you? I just want to talk to you. I'll pay you for your time. You don't have to pay me for my time. Just, what is it? What's up? He's doing the tax scam, you know, that they call it the drop.

No, what's that? It's where you get someone's tax, where you get their social security, you get their personal information and you file taxes for them before they can file. So then they go to file on their job at Walmart. You've already filed. You've already got the card. You've already got the dump has been or the direct deposit it onto a card. And you've already removed $5,000 or $6,000 of their tax return.

And then when they go to file, they go, you've already filed taxes. And that's it. And then of course you say, hey, this is fraud, blah, blah, blah. And eventually you get your money back. But it's a hell of a, it's a, it's, these people have to go through hell to try and get their stuff back. And so, yeah, that's a huge fraud. huge, there's tons of guys in prison for that. The problem is it's drying up.

So it's almost impossible, it's not almost impossible, but it's much, much more difficult. So you're getting rid of, so the average douchebag that was doing it can't really do it. Now it's gotten way more sophisticated. There's way more security procedures involved in the IRS is catching them left and right,

where before you'd file 10 of them, nine of them went through. Now you're filing 20 of them and one of them's going through, you know? So this guy's like, yeah, man, I was doing the drop. You know what that is? That's like,

I know what the drop is. You know, it's like, why are you calling me here? Why are you telling me this? Like, you know, because I,

like, I can get the IDs. I'm like, listen, I can already tell. There's no good place at this point that this conversation's going. Yeah. So I'm going to get off the phone.

No, no, no, no. I love it when they think they can talk me into it. Yeah. No, no, no, you don't understand. You understand.

I wouldn't say nothing. Like, I wouldn't say you were involved. Stop, stop, stop. It's like, say all the things that I said to these guys because it's really the same thing I said to the best one, which I'll tell you about. Yeah.

So I keep getting these guys. I actually had one guy come, went to lunch with him halfway through lunch he actually mentions. You know, this and that, this and that. And I was like, no. Yeah, I said, I know. You know, this is an issue. He never really pushed the issue. I was like, yeah, I know.

I get a lot of these guys that say this is kind of like, he was kind of just trying to feel me out. He never really said this is why I'm talking to you. A lot of people just are desperate for money. It's crazy. Yeah, this is a thing. So I'm going to tell you the one about New York. Because he's not desperate for money. Right, right.

Well, I guess what I'm saying is that like, I think you get like, people want fast money. You get so much shit on the internet because so many people are just like, that's why it's so easy for people on YouTube to get so big real quick. They just got to like either have a lot of money or pretend like they have a lot of money and they'll just blow up. All you got to do is have like a fucking pretend like you own a bunch of shit or drive a really nice money. nice car or talk about how to make money and you automatically get a bunch of desperate poor people or people who are struggling that are going to follow you because there's nothing anybody wants more than money i've i've actually it's funny because i've actually had a couple of people contact me who were basically saying like they wanted to try and set up a channel with me where i basically

i'd be like a guru and it was like they want to turn you into dairy me i'm like i'm I'm not going to do that. Oh, you're going to be a fucking fake guru. Yeah, exactly. I did a whole podcast about that with this dude, Coffeezilla. It's hilarious. Yeah, I'm not, I, I saw part, I saw like half of that that. Oh, that's great.

It was, it was on Skype, right? Yeah, it was on Zoom, yeah. Right. So, yeah, I'm not, I'm not doing that. You know what I'm saying? It's like, no, it's like, you know, yeah, we can get you in front of a Lamborghini. We can get you, what are you talking about? I'm a federal probation.

What do you think my probation? officer you're going to say, what's the fuck? You want me climbing out of a Lamborghini? I can already see the thumbnails. Oh, yeah. The Ty Lopez, Matt Cox.

Imagine him, like, standing in front of, like reading a book and sitting on a Lamborghini. With the face, just, why don't you do it?

What? I'm like, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing it because, I'm not, I'm not going to. You could have your own course. This is horse.

Imagine that that was the big thing. It was the course. The big thing was the course. Like, you don't understand the course. And you can do this. It's like, I don't,

I mean, you know, and it's all like the money, the money and the money. Yeah, but you understand what I want to do is I want to do the true crime. I want to get these stories made. And the whole thing is, it's like, look, if it was about money, then I could go do something for money. I'd have done that a year ago. Yeah. I'm on a course of action. I'm sticking with that course of action.

I can always go work in real estate or sell cars or work for FedEx or do something. If I wanted to just have a decent job and, you know, make a little bit of money. Or if I wanted to be a fake guru, I can always do that. Yeah. I'm doing this now. No, we'll take care of this. Stop, bro, stop, stop, stop. Not only, I mean, it's bad enough to be a fake guru,

but then just to be, like, partners with a bunch of people who are creating your fake guru persona and be business partners with those kind of people. That's a recipe for fucking disaster. A lot of people do it. They're making crazy money. Yeah, I know. But that's what I'm saying. I could always do that if I,

They take advantage of desperate people, though. I would feel this is coming from me, this is really going to be fucked up. I would feel so fake. And so, you know what I mean? Wouldn't it feel like... Taking advantage of people? No, look, I have no problems about that. I got no problem with that.

Yeah, but you didn't take advantage of people. You took advantage of banks. I'm saying, I'm saying I don't have a moral problem. I have a feeling that I would feel like it was bullshit. Yeah. Like, look, it like... Because it is. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Like I'm doing something that I don't feel like is bullshit Like it's legitimate And it feels good as opposed to So look So I got these guys that are constantly contacting me Which is what we're doing. Who are they? Sell them out right here.

I don't know their name. Come on Matt. Sell them out. There's only only one guy's name I know And I'm not going to use it because I feel bad. I didn't even tell this like On my channel I did it

I did a story or I did a I did a vlog the other day called scams. And I talk about how people are reaching out to me saying this, but I very briefly kind of go over and I almost told the story about this guy. And then I stopped and I thought, no, if he watches it and, you know, I thought, I don't want to. So, but then I thought, but then I went back and I looked on my cell phone and I realized, it's been three weeks.

This guy was texting you once or twice a week for six months. It's been three weeks. and you haven't heard from him. It was absolutely, he had been talking to me the whole time thinking at some point, I'm coaxing this guy along and I'm going to get him into a point where we're building up a friendship and he's going to help me. You're wrong about that. Right, right.

And so here's what happened. Six months or so ago, maybe even more than that, six or eight months ago, this guy contacts me. Oh, you know what? It was before COVID. How long was that? Wow. That was a year ago.

March? Right. So it was just before then. So we talked on the phone once. Then COVID hit. How come no one hits me up asking me to be a fake guru? Well, this wasn't a fake guru. This has helped me do a scam.

Oh, okay. Never mind. So here's what happened. I want to be the next High Lopez. Okay, well, I'll let you finish. Let me know. So here's what we said. So let's say now it's up to 10 months.

I said six months. It went six, eight. Now I realize it was just before COVID. because COVID happened and he and I had talked on the phone a lot, or a few times. And it was weird, right? So he wanted to talk to me, no big deal, but like I said, I'll talk to you because, you just, you just wants to talk to you like about what, though? He just, he's like your story and stuff. Like, what do you think I should do?

Like, I own a piece of property and he's got like half a million. I'm going to go with not the exact number, but it's roughly, it's about half a million dollars in equity. I own, it's half a million in equity. I have this business. It's a service-oriented business in Manhattan. This guy's emailing you? Well, it started as an email, and then it was a, then we, then I gave my phone number because, you know, he's sending an email. I'm sending, you get three or four emails and then I get frustrated or you stop getting emails because it's like, this isn't going anywhere.

Or, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, here's my fucking phone number. Like, you're not, you're not nuts. So just call me because I'm painting and I can put it on speaker and I can talk to you while I'm painting. So that's what happened. We started talking and he was like, you know, I just have some business ideas. And I was wondering about real estate. What kind of real estate things do you? And I'll pay you. I'll pay you for your time. I'll pay him like, no, well, just tell me.

What do you have to work with? Like, I'm just like, whatever, let's get this over with. Let me see if I can help you real quick. And if I can't and I actually, you actually want like an idea. You know, look, and this is the thing. Like right now guys are like, bro, you know, what should I do with this much money? It's like nothing. Because you might have six months to a year before the market will most likely crash. And don't go buy a bunch of property right now that's going to be worth, it's going to drop by 15 or 20 or 30 percent. Don't do anything right now. You know, that's like to my, I don't really have a plan for your money right now. But he came to me and it wasn't that.

It was just before. So I was like, well, how much do you have? Because I got, you could do this, you could do this. So we start talking. And then a week went by, I talked to him again. Then COVID happened. Then we texted every once in a while. And then I would send him, like I have a list of people that I send when my videos come out.

I just shoot off like 30 or 40 people, right? Like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, the videos. like I'll post a video. Yeah, I'm one of them. Right. And sometimes. So then it would come down, then he would come back like, hey, I just watch that, bro. That's a crazy story or hey, whatever.

He's just being supportive. And he'd text every once in a while. We talk and how are you doing? Hey, this, hey, this, whatever. That's cool. This went on for 10 months, about three weeks ago. It's almost four weeks. Three, four weeks ago.

No, five weeks ago, he actually called me. And he said, hey, I'm going to be down there. My girlfriend lives in Tampa. heard about a girlfriend that lives in Tampa. Guys from New York. The hell the head. When did you get a fucking girlfriend that lives in? That's crazy.

I never heard this. You've been texting me forever. I know about your mom. I know about your dad. I know about your all kinds of stuff, you know? And it's like, okay. He's like, well, when would be good for you? I'd like to come down and actually talk to you.

And, you know, I know you like coffee. I'll get you some Starbucks or we can go to lunch or whatever. I was like, well, I mean, when are you going to be here? Yeah. Well, I can come down Sunday. I would think that would be I would be secondary to when you and your girlfriend have planned but whatever I'm like yeah okay so Sunday we'll have

you can come in and you know we'll meet for dinner or lunch no no I'm gonna fly in I will have lunch or whatever there's no girlfriend Matt he's coming here to see your ass yeah well when he showed up he didn't I never saw a girlfriend he said there was a girlfriend I never saw one so I meet the guy we meet at a Starbucks he gets me Starbucks we sit down I say hey what's you know what's up he's like yeah what's going on but you know he's from New York York.

You know, the Yankee. So, you know, we this, and so we talked for a couple of minutes, and not five minutes in the conversation, it becomes, I wanted to meet you, because I wanted to look you in the face, wanted you to know I was for real.

Okay, that you, you know, I'm a, I'm a stand-up guy, I'm that guy. I'm like, okay, okay.

And he goes, and he said, this isn't the amount, exact amount, He goes, he goes, I need you to help me get $500,000. It was actually $600,000. I helped me get $600,000. And I went, what?

I mean, this is like, we've never had that conversation. He's never even alluded to it. And I went, what, what do you mean? What you want me, $600,000? And he goes, yeah, he's like, like, you can, if I'll pay you up front for you to train me. Like, if it, you know, whatever, we'll spend a couple days and you can train me on what, to do to do that whole mortgage thing that you did and I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll break you off like up front I or whatever and I went well why would break me off like give me like 20 grand or 50 grand or something yeah

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and I went well why wouldn't I just split split the money with you I mean we're going in partners and he goes 50 50 yeah and he said yeah okay I did but I need the 600 thousand so yeah how long would that take to get that kind of money and I went so 1.2 million I get half and I went so if if I was willing so if I set up a scam to get 1.2 million dollars I said that that depending on how much money you have up front will take about a month I could do that a month we could have the money and he's like you said this to him yeah and he goes he goes he is right oh okay he's getting excited I said right I said so if I if I do that and he goes right right I go why would I fucking need you and he goes what and I went why would

I need you. If I was willing to get myself involved in a, in a conspiracy, why would I need you? He goes, well, you don't ever have to go in the bank. I go, I don't have to go in the bank now. No, but you can do a transaction right now over the internet. You don't actually have to go into the closing anymore. And I could pay someone to go in the closing. Right. So why would I, why do I need you? Why would I give you half a million dollars to set up a scam that I can set up myself and take the $1.2 million? And he goes, yeah, but I'm saying, I can do all the. work but I don't need you to do the work. No, but I mean, if somebody does need to go in the, I could go in.

And I looked at him and I went, well, I said, you do understand you're just adding my name to the conspiracy once you get caught. No, I'm not going to get caught. And he goes, and I wouldn't, it doesn't matter, even if I got caught, I would never say nothing. And I looked at him and I went, you've already got me fucked up. You don't even know it. I said, you've all, this is, I said, I'm already caught.

And he goes, how? the moment they catch you, they're going to run all your phone numbers and your phone. My phone, my number's going to come up. They're going to run them. Oh, Matt Cox popped up on the list. I go, and, oh, look, Matt Cox popped up. You've been talking to him for 10 months, and you've emailed them several times, and it's been a bunch of text messages.

Oh, you just flew down to see him. And then a month and a half later, you've got $1.2 million, and you get caught, and it's almost an identical fraud-related scam that Matt Cox has run in the past. Huh, that's crazy. So we're not even going to talk to Mr. Cox. We're just going to add his name to the indictment because guess what? Matt Cox is currently on federal probation and you're not going to believe this. He can't even mount a defense.

We know he's done. As long as his name's next to yours, you can sit there and go, you could sit the thing and say, I ain't going to say nothing about Cox. It doesn't matter. They'll get five guys that will get on the stand and say that he told. them in prison. When he was locked up, he told them that Cox was involved. They don't, look, there's double hearsay. You can, you can have double hearsay in federal prison. Danny told you about me and you get to testify about what Danny said. He doesn't even

have to say anything. People can just say this is what he said. Five guys got up there. Can Mr. Cox, can I get on the stand and say, that didn't happen? Of course not. You can't. You're not allowed. I could, but how bad is that going to be? So have you never committed fraud before? Well, I understand how there is a connection between me. What am I going to say? It's like saying this. He goes, no, you don't understand. You'd just be planning it.

So you're telling me. You just be a dog at a pony show. You do understand. Let's say I plan right now a murder. You guys are going to go murder this guy. You guys go murder it. I'm good, right? Yeah, you're good.

I'm good. I think so. I don't think so. Matter of fact, you two guys will get, less time than me. The person they want the most, they don't even care about the shooter. They care about me. I'm getting the most time. Like one. They don't want one though. Yeah, I don't know why. That's different. Yeah, but basically that's the guy that typically gets the most time is the guy that arranged the whole thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So you tell me, when John Gotti, do they want John Gotti more than they want the guys that are actually killing people?

Yeah, killing people? Right. They'll always look at, look at my buddy, Pete Rossini's, case. The two actual, the guys that actually admitted to committing the murders got 25 years apiece. Pete got 40. I didn't do anything. So what was this guy's reaction sitting across me at Starbucks? Yeah, when you told him you didn't need him. He was like, he continued, this went on for five or 10 minutes where he's trying to convince me. And I'm like, bro, you don't even know you've already got me caught. What other things are you going to do throughout the course of this entire thing that are going to get me fucked up? You just got me fucked up. It hasn't started yet. You've already got me jammed up. What's going to happen?

happen as we go. What about the people that you do? I would never tell nobody. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I'm already screwed. The moment you picked up the phone and said, or whatever, the moment you emailed me,

I don't know how he did it, but you know, the moment he sent me a little email, it was over, I was over. It was done. I was done. So let me ask you this.

If this guy goes out tomorrow and commits a bunch of scams, I got a problem. And he gets fucked up. I got a problem. I would probably have a problem. You have to understand. Oh, yeah.

You have to understand that the prosecutor knows this guy's done. Like Cox has to sit there. And in certain situations, they could actually mention, well, you know, Mr. Cox is currently on, he's currently on trial. Well, on trial for this, of course. He's been arrested and placed in prison before for the exact same scam. Now, if I get on the state, now, here's the interesting thing. if I had gone to prison for a murder and now I'm being charged with a scant running some kind of bank fraud, they can't really bring up the murder because it's a different type of charge.

Does that make sense? Yeah. Like there's no, you can't relate these two charges. But you can indict me and then say, okay, well, well, by the way, Mr. Cox does have a history of this and this and this. But I can't take the stand because as soon as I take the scan stand, they're a skillful U.S. attorney will just destroy me. Oh, so you've never done this? Well, I mean, yes, I did this. And that was in your last scam, right?

Or was that the scam before that one? Which of those five, which are the 10 scams you've done that you've been caught for? Because we don't know about all of them. The jury's laughing. I can see, I'm done. The theatrics are just fucking. I'm screwed. Yeah, you're fucked.

And there's just nothing I can do. No matter what I say, I'm done, I'm done, I'm done. I'm just over. So I'm sitting there thinking, you got me caught with your very first act. God knows what will happen throughout the whole thing. You know what it's like, it's like the guy that shows up to the FBI and says, listen, man, I got to tell you something. I know about these guys that have been robbing banks.

Really? How do you know? I've been driving the getaway car. You've been robbing banks. Yeah, yeah. What are you talking about? These guys? You're just as guilty. So what else did you tell us fuck? I mean, I, look, he was actually a very, he's actually a nice guy. He's just not thinking.

I mean, it. That was it. I mean, I'm not, I'm just saying. What would you do if they actually did that? If you actually, if this guy went out and committed a scam right now and you were on, and they fucking dragged you into the whole thing. And the FBI said, Matt Cox. Oh, he better hope they talked to him before they talk to me. They talk to me for you're done.

So do you know this guy? Listen, that motherfucker, let me tell you what he did. Here's what happened. Boom, boom, boom. Ask Danny. Watch the episode. Don't forget to subscribe. Please.

Hit the bell. I mean, you know, oh, fuck. Turn on notifications. You can go to fucking prison again because you decided to get jump on a plane. Right. Yeah, I, no, no. You're taking the plea. How much fucking time do I got to do this time?

Yeah. I mean, like, you can't keep doing time for stuff I didn't do. I can't do the time for what I did. I'm not willing to do that time. I'm not willing to do this. But yeah, that's how bad it is. So, yeah, that's, that's, and then John Boziak, the, what did you call them in the podcast? It was, um, come on, you had a great one.

It was the credit card or no. some credit card king or dark what was the name of the podcast oh the dark the dark lord Miami's dark lord of credit card scams pretty good good um that was good too with the with the pitcher that with him with the chains and it um yeah some guy contacted him he called me up he's like yeah bro listen to this fucking guy contact me told me he wants to give me like five grand or something he was he was to basically teach him how to commit credit card fraud he's that's fucking nuts right I go don't do it and he goes he goes he goes what? I go, don't do it. He goes,

no, I'm not going to do it. He said, something's wrong. Something's not right. I said, no, it may be legit. He may legitimately say, hey, I'll pay you. But when he gets caught in six months or two months, it's going to leave. And I told him this is what, this is what will happen. Look, I know a guy that got an extra 10 years because

he was locked up for like, or did he get an extra 5? He was locked up for 10 and got an extra 5. Or he was doing 5 and he got 10. The point is you and I are sellies. So you tell me, hey, so he's about to get, I'm about to get out maybe two years. You're going to get out in a couple months. And you tell me, man, listen, my weed connect. But he got popped when I got popped.

I used to buy weed from him. You know, not a lot like this and that, you know. Oh, you can talk to my, you can talk to my, you can talk to my cousin, whatever, you know, Juan. You can talk to my cousin Juan. I'll give you his phone number. So I write his phone number. Yeah, yeah, he can get your weed. No problem.

Oh, okay, cool. You go, you leave. You start buying weed from Juan. I don't hear from you no more. Six months, a year go by. The weed that you're buying from Juan turns into, it goes from being marijuana to cocaine. Oh, yeah.

And now you guys are running a cocaine conspiracy where you're importing cocaine from Mexico, and it's getting more and more. It's five kilos, 10, 20, 30. Now it's fucking 300 kilos. So almost two years goes by. You get pinched. And when they grab you and they grab one, they say, hey, how did you even get connected with this guy?

You're like some white guy. You got connected with this Mexican guy. How'd that even happen? I mean, that you're doing cocaine, you got pinched for, like, you know, weed or something. And you say, oh, my old sely, you know, Pablo, he hooked me up with him. Well, guess who, guess whose name just got... Giovanni.

Guess whose name just got added to the conspiracy. So they come back and they say, hey, so do you want to fight this? And you're looking at maybe, you're now on, by the way, you're now on like a thousand pound or a thousand kilo conspiracy. You want to go ahead and go to trial with that? You're already in jail for cocaine. This is like your fourth time. And this is federal. And you know we've already indicted you.

And this guy's already cooperating. What do you think he's going to say? Do you think he's going to say it was just started with weed or do you think he's going to be willing to say, oh, no, no, no. He knew we were going to sell cocaine. We were holding his money. No, he completely knew. We've been trading emails or we've been trading letters through the mail.

You think that's what he's going to say? Or do you think he's going to cut you loose and say, no, bro? He thought he was just going to give me a little weed connect. What do you think he's going to say to get time off? Fuck. So how much. He's saying. He's singing.

How much time? How much time? So what kind of a deal can we get? Can I get? Can I? You know that this guy's going to... Pablo's saying, listen, five years. That's good. I understand. No problem. Takes a deal immediately. Yeah. I mean, that happens. I met that guy. I met that guy. God damn. That's an exact scenario. I don't know if he got five, an extra five years or he got ten. I think he got five.

I think he was doing ten and got an extra five. That was it. Because he gave him a phone number. number. So, you know, what's going to happen to you? You're out. You're trading emails with a guy. You got on the phone and talked to him. What are you going to tell him? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I did tell him how to do some credit, like credit card for all. It wasn't a big deal. You're done. You're done. You're now the leader organizer. No, no. Ask him. Ask him, his lawyer saying to tell them that you're the leader organizer. You've already been to prison multiple times. We got a pop. podcast. It's over. You're done. People are crazy, man. Right. People that they don't think it through. That's the problem.

They just reach out straight on the internet with the paper trail everywhere. And they all think they're going to be gangsters when they get caught because they watch Godfather. You're nuts. You're not getting a slap on the wrist. And look, the cops are so, are so busy right now. You could run a fraud right now and go for a year or two until you eventually get caught. And you think, wow, I had a good run. No, you didn't. No, you just got higher and higher on the guidelines. That's all. You wish they, I wish they'd caught me in the first six months. I could have gotten probation. Maybe I could have done a year. But I went so long and so hard by the time they caught me. Now you just better hope to God that nobody gets caught doing fraud that even has your phone number in their own. Better burn that thing. It's bad. It's bad. It's time to change the number. They keep changing the number. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, uh, yeah, that's rough. Bro, so today I listen to six episodes of that fucking Theranos. Nice.

Elizabeth Holmes shit. Did you watch the, what did you, did you watch the HBO documentary? I didn't watch the HBO one. I mean, I've, I've read a couple articles and, um, I read like three articles and I saw a, I've seen two documentaries on her. Really? Yeah. Which ones did you see?

I didn't know there was more than one. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's one that's like an hour. maybe it's like 50 minutes or it's right around an hour it's um yeah i listen to like i listen to like six hours of fucking podcast it was uh it was one of those like serial type podcasts she's crazy right bro that bitch is fucked up what about the way she lowers her voice so that's the creepiest thing and the the um the the the the the the turtleneck oh yeah like steve jobs yeah she's trying to be like steve jobs she raised almost a billion dollars yeah she's like 24 years old she was worth

billion dollars on paper on paper yeah that's when you get out with all the money she got rupert murdock to give her like 150 million doing what she came out she went to what she went to stanford she went to stanford she dropped out for three semesters yeah went to stanford decided that she was going to do a uh come up with a technology company medical technology company that would allow you to give a pinprick of blood and would allow it to be run through 300 different tests to tell you exactly what's going on with you and everything about you. The basic, the base 300 tests that are out there, this machine will run all of them. And so she's going around talking about technology and doing this.

She forms a company. She actually gets a neighbor to give her a million dollars, right? A neighbor who made a bunch of money. And she sat down and explained. And she's always been super smart. And her parents, her dad was in, like, politics in D.C. And her mom was like, her family was in politics. And her, she had some, like, lineage where her grandparents, like, used to be rich, but not anymore.

But they still have the prestige. They had the prestige, but they didn't have the money. Right. And they interviewed one of her friends from, like, middle school and high school and said she was kind of like the loner. She didn't really have any friends. She was always by herself. She was all, like, the last one in gym class. Did she kind of get caught lying a few times?

like telling some, some fabrications. And she just, she was just off. Like off. Pretty girl. Yeah. Pretty girl. Pretty smart. I don't know.

Yeah, she was weird looking though. She was like a female Mark Zuckerberg. She had that look. She had those like dead eyes like Mark Zuckerberg. She's got those wide eyes with like the whole time like this. Yeah. And there's multiple cases like, whoa, let me explain what I did. All of a sudden she just started changing her voice.

She started trying to make her voice deeper. To be, they think she did it. Yeah. Veritas, whatever my company is named. We are, you know, amazing. We're pushing the boundaries. We want to be the best women. Women need to be the best.

We want to push women's. Is that your baritone? What? I like to do it more like this. Yeah. She was faking it. I know. But no, but she would fake it.

And then every once in a while somebody would say something. And she'd go, well, like, no, that's not what happened. I didn't. She would switch. Yeah. Periodically, they'd catch her accidentally switching. And employees said by the end of the day, she would do it when she's tired. She'd forget to throw the, it's fucking nuts.

She was dating a guy that was like 40-something years old. She was in her early 20s, dating like a 45-year-old. The Indian guy who gave her 14 million bucks, drove a Lambo everywhere. They were fucking. I mean, 14 million. They lived together. 14 million. Damn right.

Yeah. You kidding me? I just gave you $14 million. Yeah. So the point is, yeah. he was filthy rich sunny Sunny yeah Indian dude named Sunny who made a bunch of money in like the dot com

dot com bubble and she was Elizabeth what I always want to say Elizabeth Holmes Holmes I was want to say smart So she raised like almost a billion dollars She hired all these people all these like Computer scientists research scientists These laboratory fucking people And she had all these scientists working on

Developing this thing that was in a box where it would basically take your blood with a finger prick and it would tell you everything about you. Basically everything from your cholesterol to your like the different cancers you could potentially have

and everything about your health your metabolic health, everything. 300 different tests within one drop of blood but they never actually worked. No, because it's not possible. It wasn't possible. She hired Apple designers. She hired motherfuckers who designed iPhones

for Apple, motherfuckers that worked for Steve Jobs. Like that... All these people don't know that it doesn't, doesn't work? They all figured it out eventually and they were all like what the fuck's going on. Like they do all these tests and like they're all failing or a very few of them are actually

working. But the ones that do work, the blood tests are way off. Yeah. They were like across the spectrum. Sometimes, you know, they were erratic. Like they weren't, they weren't accurate. They were not accurate. Yeah.

So there's all these red flags happening and like all the tests were off half more than like 90% of them weren't working at all. Right. But she's like, oh, make them look nice. Make them look like an eye. phone, we're going to market it, we're going to hire, we're going to get all this VC money. We're going to, we're going to get, V.C. It's like Silicon Valley shit, like scams.

Who was it? Was it? Well, venture capitalists aren't, aren't scams. Well, it kind of is, though. All of them kind of are scams, though. Because all of them, if I lend you. You think she started it as a scam from the get-go? No, I think she had it. I think she had it. I think she, I think she got too far. I think she was running with fake it till you make it. Like, hey, exactly. Like, what we can do is if I raise enough money, we'll put the, it'll not. actually work. Yeah, we'll hire the best.

She's hiring the best. She's paying tons of money. We'll dump all this money into research and development. We'll get this to work. But the fact of the matter is, is, yeah, we will in a hundred years. They even hire now. She even hired the ad agency who made that original Apple 1984 commercial. I love that commercial.

Where they throw, she throws the hammer at the screen or whatever. They hired them. They paid them like a $14 million retainer to run a whole ad, to run a whole ad campaign on how the thing. worked with only a drop of blood. But yet, it didn't work yet. They were just trying to get everything rolling. Was it Walgreens?

Was it Walgreens? Walgreens. They started with $100 million, and then I think it went up to $300 million. It was Walgreens and somebody else. Just Walgreens. I thought it was Walgreens in CVS or something. Nope, just Walgreens. 300 million.

They only got to 41 Walgreens as though, and they basically cut the deal with Walgreens, but it didn't fucking work. So what they were doing was people were going into Walgreens and they marketed this prick. They marketed this prick. It's been on for 10 years. This wasn't a year. This was 10 years.

She's living large for 10 years. Yeah. Is she living the good life out there too the whole time? I mean. Sure. Yeah, I think so. Well, all her interviews are like, I don't sleep. All I do is work.

I don't even own a TV. All I do is work, work, work, 24-7 work. That's why I'm so successful. And then she started getting on like, plus Sunny is trying to bang that $14 million out. He knows by now. He knows it's over. Yeah.

Sonny knows it's over. Listen, within six months a year, maybe two. Maybe you could go two years, but after two, three years, he's got to be knowing. He's in the meetings. He has to start knowing. He drove a labor. He doesn't go to work. A weird thing I thought I was, they were on the, and she's going to trial.

On the podcast, yeah, she's about to go to trial. What are you doing? What are you doing? You can't go to trial. You know, she's trying to say, now she's trying to say mental illness. Yeah. Is she going to be her own lawyer? Hell no.

I can't imagine she could do any. The thing is such a cluster fun. She doesn't have, it's like, it's funny. It's like, when I got my lawyer and all these guys were like, we're like, man, bro, your lawyer had you plead to 26 and a half years? I'm like, I mean, why didn't give her anything to work with? Yeah. Well, she's a good lawyer.

If you're, look, if you're caught with the dead body and the smoking gun and you're on video, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who the lawyer is. I love it when people think that. Well, with a good lawyer, What are you talking about with a good lawyer? They're not magicians. OJ got it off.

That's true. They're saying a bunch of federal prosecutors said that they haven't seen anybody like this bitch since Bernie Madoff. Yeah, she's in. Oh, what about the scare tactics and the firings and the threatening? Oh, she's like, anybody said anything. Like, bullied people, like threatened people. Like, if anyone ever tried to, like, question her, like, hey, this shit's not working. I'm kind of concerned, like, get your shit.

people are getting blood tests and it's saying they could have like extreme levels of of certain things in their blood and they're freaking out thinking they got cancer and people are like going to the doctor and freaking out about their health

because these blood tests are so inaccurate like how dare you question our integrity you're fired how do you think you gotta lower your do the baritone you have to watch it and it was all lies

what they called the one I listened to It was called on Spotify. What was it called? What the fuck was it? It was like an ABC podcast. I'll get you the short version. That's crazy.

Yeah. I was listening to the fucking long long long. She's got a bunch of. It's probably one of the largest frauds out there. Yeah. Not the largest, but one of them. That's the crazy thing. It's current.

Well, it's, yeah, it's because it's about to be, she's about, like three, four years ago she got caught. I mean, they've been out on pretrial release. I think they started the company in 2010. No, she's free. She's free right now, yeah. She's living in San Francisco. I don't. I think it can it be 10, 2010?

I thought she'd gone like, I want to say she went like 10 years. Like this was dragging on for 10 years. Maybe. It was like maybe right before that, 2009, 2008. What am I? But bro, so one of the biggest

investors in the company, he was a Elizabeth Holmes that came right up. A lot of people looking her up. What was the fucking guy's name? Hold on. I got to look this guy's name. Oh my God. Look at the eyes. She's crazy.

Show me a picture. Oh, wait, no, that's not it. Well, this one's 30 minutes. I got one that's 30 minutes. Play a clip. Send it to me. Oh, here's the HBO special.

Her real voice. They have one about her real voice. Okay, there was this kid. There was this kid named Tyler Schultz that worked for her. And his granddad, his grandpa, was the secretary of state, George Schultz, who was one of the biggest investors in the company, like a 90-year-old dude.

and this lady Elizabeth She was like Being like really buddy buddy to this guy Because he was one of the biggest investors And they were like At family dinners and Christmas parties It's only 30 minutes Oh yeah she is real Zuckerberg looking too

With those eyes Like 30 minutes though Oh yeah That one's only 30 minutes You have to watch six hours She's trying to pull off the like Full on Mark Zuckerberg Steve Jobs

Weird thing Weird looking And this young kid Jacked up on Adderall and shit This kid Tyler fucking went to, I forget what it was. I think it was the Wall Street Journal and went

to one of the investigative reporters and basically fucking snitched her out on everything. Basically said this, because they already were like, they spelled blood in the water like something's fishy about this company. And he basically told them everything. Spilled the beans. Spilled the beans. And here's one. This is a 45 minute

documentary. I think he got a plea? No, him, he didn't do anything. He actually went to his grandfather and said this is what's going on. And he didn't believe him. His grandfather was like, you know, you don't know everything. You don't this, you don't that. He's like, Grandpa, you're dumping millions of dollars. You got your buddies all investing.

I'm telling you this shit doesn't work. I'm on the inside and the labs. Everybody knows it doesn't work. Now, now, you're just a young man. She's a genius. God damn. She's like 25 years old. And the craziest shit is, this bitch had Harvey Weinstein's lawyer.

Nice. Representing their company. This guy also represented Enron, I think. Oh, yeah. You understand. And everybody, you sign a non-disclosure coming in. and non-disclosure leaving. Damn.

Did one guy commit suicide? Yes. One guy committed suicide. One of the scientists committed suicide. Like some Scientology stuff. Yeah, it really was a lot like science. It reminded me of Scientology. Really?

Yeah, the whole thing did. Because it was just a fucking scam. It's like they just want to prop up this big picture. Because nothing's really happening behind the doors. That's all. That's all. Of course. Elron.

Hubbard. Yeah, they're all Ponzi schemes. That's the guy that started Scientology. Are you taking those guys? gummies? What are you doing? Yeah. He's on the gummies. He's on it, bro. He's connecting the dots.

There's no dots. We're on a different level than you right now, Matt Cox. Yeah, that's the... We're on a whole other dimension. We're in another dimension right now. Yeah. Bro. They keep saying she's looking at 20 years.

I'm telling you right now, I can't believe they're saying 20. Yeah, I can't believe it's not way more than that. I know, right? How much did you steal? Look how much this bitch tall. And honestly, this went on and on and on. You got 26 and you only stole like 6 million. Yeah, but she's got Weinstein's lawyer. No, she doesn't. Oh, yeah, she does have winestein.

She probably doesn't now. How much time did Bernie get? Bernie got 150 years. 150. Oh, yeah, he's done. How much money did he still? You know, he works at commissary, right? Really?

Yeah, all day long, you can hear him calling out, inmate's names like, really? Yeah, he's like, Johnson, 40. 1-117 Thomas The only difference between 4-005 You call your name

And then they tell you what window to go to? Matt, the only difference between her and Madoff Was that Madoff was very conscious That he was running a Ponzi scheme And he was very aware He was never going to pay anybody back I think this lady thought This lady thought that she eventually

Eventually this shit could actually happen Madoff didn't start his company like that You know he didn't start off immediately saying this is a Ponzi scheme I'm going to go as long as I can. He was like chairman of the stock exchange or stuff. He was a legitimate guy. He had a legitimate company. It morphed.

Most of these morph into that. Do you see what I'm saying? Look, you want to know one of the ways to know that he knew from the beginning it wasn't going to be a huge scam because he started the money or he started it with his own money and he did in his own name. If you're running a Ponzi scheme and I'm going to project false earnings, One, even if I started with my own name, I wouldn't start, I wouldn't start it in my name. You know, you would put somebody else as a front man.

You would, or you would use a false identity or you would, there's a thousand ways to do it. It's something that started off as a legitimate, and then he started providing false, you know, false earnings or false returns. And then it got to the point where it was like, okay, I can never make up for. this, I'm not even going to invest anymore. You're just going to ride until the wheel fall off. Yeah, I just ride this fucker out. Maybe I can go, keep in mind, the longer you go, the more emboldened you are. Then he gets investigated several times.

He actually passes the audits. You pass the audit with no trades. No, because they're, oh no, well, what did you do? Oh, I did this and this and this. Looks good, Bernie. Thanks a lot. Damn. So every time he he did that, he just got more emboldened, probably thought

look, I'll ride this fucker. I'll never, I'm never going to, I can never retire. But maybe I'll just die of cancer and something and then they'll figure it out when I'm gone or, you know, who knows what he's thinking but the one thing you can't do is stop. You know, that's the same. And with her, I think it's the same thing. I think she started thinking

I'm going to fake it until I make it. And then we're going to come up with these revolutionary things because all she was saying is like the tests already exist, but you need a machine this big. We just have to really shrink the technology. And how often is that look at the first cell phone. The first

cell phone was a brick. It was this big. We shrunk it down to where, honestly, it's not even this. You can have everything in this. You can have in your ear in just a little thing. People just don't do it. It's too expensive. But the point is she was thinking just shrink the technology. Seems simple.

But the problem is she did. It's the same thing that I think most of these psychopaths do. Is that one, she's not thinking it through. She doesn't care about the ramifications. She's planning at all. But the big thing is she's promising too big. you're saying this machine can do the 300 known tests on blood, what are you doing?

No, not you. I'm just saying, in general, why would you say 300? Right. Why wouldn't you have just taken, like, the core ones that you could. You knew you would get. Right. You don't need to test for. 100.

Right. Do you really need to test to make sure you don't have some disease that's already been eradicated like, oh, we're testing for smallpox. There's no smallpox. This doesn't even exist for it. Yeah, but you need a machine this big to test for. What are you doing? Why are you throwing that one in there?

You need a room this size to run all the tests that you're saying you're going to fit into what's basically the size of a CPU. What do you do? You can't do it. You know, so it's like, why would you do? It's like these Ponzi scheme guys. You know how they get caught right away? Most of them get caught right away. Why Bernie Madoff went so long is Bernie Madoff was giving you 8 to 10% returns.

Well, I think it was between like 6 to 8%. It wasn't outrageous. It was consistent. Your money was secure. It's these guys that say, you're going to get 100%. 40% return. Okay, well, great. You can maybe go two years if you can keep borrowing

and then it all collapses. You're just an idiot. Yeah, you got swamped right away. Yeah, we got the money in. Yeah, but you lasted two years and then you had to go to prison for 10. You know, so it's like, do you want to have a real run? You want to really raise someone?

Be reasonable. Don't say 300. Because not just that. If you raise enough money and you put it into the, you put it into R&D, you might pull it off. Right, right. There's no way to keep pulling this off.

Keep developing it, make it better, you know. Right. Let's add some more. I'm sure you'd have to start with 300. She was thinking, we're going to fucking pull this off before the feds come in. We got to pull it off before the feds come in. But the craziest thing is she kept raising money by getting all these badasses to join her company. Yeah, yeah.

She knew what she was doing. She got the best scientists, the best known, well- political contacts. Well-respected scientists in the country. She hired them to work for them, put them on the front page of her website. So when she went to go get investment money, they're like, Oh shit. She's got these people. But these scientists, once they start working, they're like, nothing works.

Like, I don't care. Go go work in HR or something. Let's try it. We're going to transfer you. You're still going to work here, but you're not going to do science because you know the science is all fucked up. Oh, you know what? I love when she would have the people come in. Like, you're going to possibly invest it or you're one of the investors or maybe you're thinking about investing.

She'd have them come in. And check everything out. Yeah, well, this is the machine. Go ahead. Let's take the sample of blood. Okay. Now you place it in here. Okay, all right.

And they start, okay, it's going to take a while. Let's go in the other room and have some, we have hors d'oeuvres and we want you to meet Bob, the top scientist. Walks in the other room, another lab tech comes, sneaks in, pulls out the fucking blood, goes into the other room, runs a bunch of tests with it, comes back an hour later, sticks it back in the machine, sticks to shit,

and then when they, you're, you're, it should be done by now. Let's go back in there. She walks back in, pulls it out and goes, oh, so, oh. So you're diabetic? I am diabetic. Sold. I also see that you have this and this. You know, you might want to get a CAT scan.

You know, this is what's going on. They totally, and they said she didn't do it once. She did it. They did it over and over and over. So how is she now going to get on the stand and be like, I had no idea the technology wasn't going to work. You've been running a scam for 10 years. Right.

That was just creative financing. Yeah. Yeah. But the whole thing The whole, like the biggest kicker The biggest selling point of the whole thing Was it's only a drop of blood But people are going into Walgreens

And they're doing regular blood draws Yeah, it never worked Like what the fuck is this? I'm supposed to get it You're prick my finger You're pulling out Fucking whole vial of blood It's just the pit

Oh, the blood dart drop. That's just marketing That's just good marketing Now let's get that vein out That's just good for the first 20 tests You think the quarter pounder really weighs A quarter pound? She's something else, boy.

They're going to love her in prison. She's fucked. Would you be pissed off if she only got 20 years? She'll probably go to a nice prison though, right? I wouldn't be pissed off. It's a money crime, which is horrific. I'm not saying it's not horrific. But, here's a long time.

But honestly, what were you thinking? I mean, that's bad. You almost typically, I am typically always like, you know what, it's too much time. Because it's almost always too much time. But my God, I mean, we're talking about almost a billion dollars of the course of 10 years. I mean, you could have at many, she has some mental illness. You understand.

First of all, first of all, if you knew it was a scam, money's going to be, you know, if you knew, you're going to put some money away. Do something. You know this is coming down. Nothing. I'll bet you she didn't put nothing away. Secondly, the other thing is There's got to be a mental illness there Because definitely

She's she was unwilling to Accept that That it wasn't going to work And she's threatening and she's doing it Like why didn't you claim bankruptcy Once it wasn't coming together You knew she just kept raising money And raising money and raising money and raising money

Yeah, that's where she went wrong What are you doing? I mean there's got to be Plus the baritone the wearing the sweaters the I mean she's crazy eyes it's got to be like a mental illness I mean what do you think she has diagnose her oh I mean she's absolutely narcissistic she's got anti sociopath anti uh anti social disorder for sure she's either a sociopath or a psycho but probably a psychopath because she's she's got good organizational skills you know she's able to at the very least she's able to fake relationships with people you know which is basically

what I have. Charming. Yeah, she's super charming, super charming. Um, but definitely narcissistic. She's very concerned about her image. And she also knew that the image was part of the whole kind of scam. Like I, I, I don't know. It's tough, bro. That's a, that's tough. Yeah. But definitely, listen. What is she? Why would you go to trial? Unless they just came out of the gate and said, take 20. And she's like, fuck it. The problem with this, by the way, is you understand a lot of of times people would be like well the most they can give is you 20 and you go okay and then you get sentenced and the judge says yeah you got 15 charges I'm gonna ring pin yeah but not king pin I'm gonna run them you know I'm gonna what do they call it they the guys just always call

it this um uh where they what is it when you have a train they're gonna they're gonna stack it whatever they'd say and they're gonna stack them instead of running them you know at the same time like concurrently they're gonna run them consecutively and then they're just going to stack the charges. So you're 20 years. Yeah, but you got 10 charges, so it's 200 years. My lawyer said, no matter what your lawyer said. Well, if she doesn't get any jail time.

She won't. There's no way she's not getting any jail time. Really? There's no way. She's getting jail time. She got a really good lawyer, Matt Cox. I fucking care who she has. She's going to prison.

If they hit her, bro. She's going to Coleman? No, Coleman, they just turn, they're turning it into a men's camp. Oh, no more women's game? No, the whole complex is now male. Really? Yeah, they're going to move all the women out and transfer it to men. Why are they doing that?

You know, I didn't get a memo. I don't know. I thought you were still on the mailing list. No, I just, I heard it. So, yeah, but yeah. They didn't send you a Christmas card? No, no. I, I, I'm fine.

Yeah, okay, so what, what, what, what are we doing? That's it. Poor Elizabeth. Let's wrap it up. Poor Elizabeth. Let's wrap it up. Adios, Elizabeth. Can you imagine if you invested, if you were some, you know, widow with $2 million

and you dumped your life savings into it, and she pissed it away on just tech that every fucking scientist she had hired said, it ain't going to happen. It's not really scientists, isn't it? Who was she hiring? It was really technology. She's just trying to shrink the technology. It was technology, but it was also filled tech. I don't know what that is.

No, they were also. They were like, they were researchers. They were scientific researchers and they were, whatever, people who studied blood and shit. I don't know. What are those biologists? Yeah, I guess biologists. This is where the Florida education system broke down. I don't know.

I went to public school. I mean, I can barely read. That's good. I got to go to bed. Santa Claus is coming tonight. And that was a good, that was a good hour podcast, Matt. Thanks for coming. This is what it is.

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that's it right what are we doing we're all done yeah I'm far up yeah yeah see if you're rich goodbye world