Danny Jones Podcast - #77 - Ecstasy Kingpin Explains How to Scam the Stock Market | Shaun Attwood

Episode Date: February 16, 2021

Shaun Attwood is an author & activist who is banned from America for life. Shaun made millions in the stock market in his early 20’s, and by his 30’s he was running one of the biggest ecstasy rings in the US, smuggling more than $4 million worth of drugs into Arizona before he was raided and sentenced to 200 years in prison. Shaun’s biggest competitor in the ecstasy business was the mafia mass murderer “Sammy The Bull” Whom we talk about on this episode. We also talk about Shauns views on insider stock market trading as well as the recent events with Reddit, Robinhood & GameStop. Shaun has also done more research on the Epstein conspiracies than probably anyone, he’s done hundreds of interviews with his victims and acquaintances & he talks about the latest discoveries on the subject towards the end of this podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello world. Sean Atwood is the infamous author and activist who is banned from America for life. Sean made millions in the stock market in his early 20s, and by his 30s, he was running one of the biggest ecstasy empires in the U.S., smuggling more than $4 million worth of drugs into Arizona before he was raided and sentenced to 200 years in prison. Sean's biggest competitor in the ecstasy business was the mafia mass murderer Sammy the Bull Gravano. whom we talk about on this episode. We also talk about Sean's views on insider stock market trading, as well as the recent stuff going on with Reddit, Robin Hood, and GameStop. Sean has also done more research on the Epstein conspiracies than probably anyone.

He's done hundreds of interviews with his victims and acquaintances, and he talks about his latest discoveries in the subject towards the end of this podcast. This conversation is packed with gems, and I hope you guys enjoy. Please welcome Sean Atwood. Hey now! Yo, yo, what's up, man? Nice to see you. Yeah, you too, man.

Thank you. Great to see your channel going from strength to strength. How's it going, man? What have you been up to? Man, this year I just saw amazing growth in the channel. But last year, I was down in the dumps because I think I may have told you some stories about my friend from childhood Wildman.

And he died, and his funeral was just before Christmas. And he was co-interviewing people with me on my true crime podcast. He was doing really well. He was thriving on YouTube. And then he got ill. He tried to get in the hospital. They said, Corona, stay at home. And he had breathing difficulties.

And he went in, multiple organ failure. And he died within, like, you know, within a day of being admitted. Was it coronavirus? Is that what killed him? No, multiple organ failure. He didn't have Corona. They just, well, you could say Corona killed him because when he tried to get in hospital, they said stay at home, you know, it's coronavirus.

If you had gone in and they put him on a drip and took care of him, what they estimate in this country, I think, that thousands of people have died who have things wrong with them who can't get in hospital because of the corona. Yeah, that's insane. I've got his picture up there right behind me, the big guy. In the yellow shirt, that's him? That's him, yeah. He was the one who we went to America and he introduced me to all the math.

Fafia figures. That's how I got the criminal enterprise going because he's, you know, a big tough guy versus me, you know, just the skinny, nerdy business guy. So he opened that door into that world for me to set up the criminal enterprise. And when the SWAT team came, he was right there with me protecting me, you know, in the neo-Nazi jail. He's a very good person to get arrested with because he was running around that jail. When we got off the bus, there was like 13, code.

defendants. We're arriving at Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Madison Street Jail, Horseshoe section. This is like a horseshoe formation of cells where you go in and you first get processed. And it's like Dante's Inferno in there. You are sardined into these cells. Everyone just sat on the floor squatting down. You try and get in there. Maybe there's a little bit of room near the toilet. and the reason there's the room near the toilet is because there's piss all over there and it stinks a shit. So you sit down there and then some big dude just gets on the toilet and takes a crap and the whole cell, everyone's just like this, holding their noses.

And they're all yelling, drop one flush one, drop one, flush one. Because those toilets are really powerful, man. You press that button and it almost sucks your ass off. It's like a B-Day spraying all this water right into your butt crack. So when you take a shit, the prison rule is drop one, flush one. So as soon as that log hits that fucking water, you're like, but anyway, in a cell, you know, like that, as those logs are dropping, the whole cell just stinks. And because it's the newly arrested people, you've got people who've been in like fights with the cops, people have been tasered and injured. you've got gangbangers from different street locations who are KOS on site.

You've got homeless people. You've got people just fucked up on alcohol, fucked up on drugs. A lot of people going through the shock of the newly incarcerated. It's just mayhem. When those gangbangers come in who are like from rival neighborhoods, right away it just kicks off. And there's blood splatter. Then the guards come in.

They drag the assailants out. And if they're kicking off, They put them in this thing called a restraint chair, and it looks like a medieval torture device. It is a black chair tilted back, and they strap you into it, all of your limbs. And if you're like a mouthing off or spitting, they put a spit hood on your head.

And you see people in these chairs just rocking back and forth and like howling, like cats and shit like that, like mental patience. So anyway, this is the absolute bedlam. We arrived at shortly after we were all SWAT team raided May 16th, 2002. I said I had about 200 people working for me on one of the previous interviews I did with you. And they started to arrest those people in groups. So they had the continuous criminal enterprise, you know, the crime family.

They had like a pecking order. Now, I was at the top. Wild Woman was number two, Wildman's girlfriend, and Wildman was number three. So they had Wild Woman above Wildman. She was as tough as he was, man. Some people were more scared of her than him.

Seriously, their relationship, it's terrible that domestic violence exists in the world, but their relationship was based on domestic violence. You know, I saw a fighter sometimes. he'd hit her, she'd grab a knife, stab him in the belly. Sometimes they'd both be in hospital, but they were like cave people. I was saying, you guys are going to kill each other one of these days. And then the very next day, after having these fights, they'd be like,

love you, love you. And it was all about the makeup sex, completely off the scale. So, Wild Woman, I'm setting the scene for what happens still when we get out of this van. Wild Woman is from Liverpool. The accent is so thick in Liverpool. they said that if it had gone to trial in Arizona, they would have had to get her an interpreter. So I'll give you an example.

Yeah, la, kiss a siggy. Have you any idea what that means? No. Yeah, la, kiss a siggy? What does that mean? What are you saying? That means, here you are, my lad. Give me a cigarette.

La is like mate. so she's like yeah like so they're gonna anyway she was totally battle-harden man she was a big woman at one point in time but she'd been hammering the crystal meth

and she was only tiny but she was as tough as fuck I mean I'll tell you a story in a minute about what happened to the women when they actually got in there so we're all getting out of this van I told you previously about the SWAT team raid what happened next was

they took us all to Tempe police station. They built this outdoor processing center specifically for me and my co-defendants. So we're all getting processes, this outdoor processing center. Then they start filtering us over to Tempe Jail. In Tempe Jail, I'm realizing the gravity of the situation because more, I'm thinking, right, you know, they've raided my house. I quit trafficking a year ago. There's no drugs. What can they do? Maybe they can release me. But as more people started to show up at the jail, I'll give you another example. One of my co-defendants, Cody Bates, mentioned previously that he's no longer with us.

He was ended up in a Scientologist rehab where they put him on antidepressants, which had a side effect of killing himself, and he killed himself. It's documented. The lawsuit is online. If people want to look that up, Cody Bates. Scientologist rehab? Yeah, yeah. Where?

I don't know. It's probably Arizona or California, I imagine. So Cody Bates shows up. Cody Bates was my right-hand man in charge of sensible things because he never got high. But after we all got arrested, he got so depressed, he went straight to heroin. Hence, he ended up in the rehab where he hung himself. So Cody Bates shows up, and this other guy shows up, I'll just call him the DJ. And we're sharing our arrest stories.

So I tell them, you know, bam, bam, bam, bam, door flies off the hinges, SWAT team raid. Cody Bates is driving along the freeway. And he looks up in the morning and sees the helicopter. And he thinks, this is a bit strange. Everywhere I'm going, there seems to be a helicopter. It's like that scene in Goodfellers. In the afternoon, he's looking up. And lo and behold, he's been driving.

He's scared to go anywhere. He's just driving. He doesn't want to stop. He's driving to Phoenix, Tempe, Mesa. going up and down these freeways afternoon, lo and behold, helicopter. Next thing, he sees

like a motorcade of police cars and police motorbikes, and they all just he's got motorbikes all around him, cars, and they just take him off the road. That's how he got busted. Now, the DJ,

it was his first day at his brand new job of someone as a fundraiser as a fundraiser for the Republican Party so he shows up and they come in his workplace

and arrest him so I imagine that was the end of that all day long we are just like sharing stories at the Tempe jail and then there comes a point in time where the van comes to take us to Sheriff Joe Alpio's Horseshoe.

And I'd heard stories about the horseshoe from Wildman previously because he had been deported multiple times. He was a menace to society. It would always end up with him in the horseshoe. And it's a horseshoe formation. You go in, you go through the cells. You don't know whether it's night or day because it's underground, but the walls do heat up

so you can detect, you know, when it's midday. and you come out at the very end and they give you a classification, minimum, medium, max security, give you black and white stripes and you get on your way. So I knew some stories about the horseshoe. Wildman said last time he was in,

they wouldn't give them his name. He was in there for days and you can't sleep because you saw sardine into those cells. So we get in the Vem. And I finally see Wildman for the first time since my arrest. And he said that when he was in the 10 PJ

jail, they were trying to interview my girlfriend, Claudia, and he was walking past. And he heard him say, these are very serious charges you're facing. You need to tell us about Atwood. And somehow he broke free of the policeman that was taking him to wherever he was taken from, managed to stick his head in the room where Claudia was getting interrogated and goes, serious fucking charges, my fucking. ass. Don't listen to these deaf pig bastards Claudia. And then he just goes

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. And he had this big fuck off Vikings beard and he's been up for days on smoking crack and crystal meth and he just looks like an absolute maniac. So we're in the van sharing our arrest stories and speaking to the females now because the females are with

us. First group was about 13 co-defendants about hard female. So when we get to the Madison Street jail, there's like a ladder, steps coming out of the van and the transportation officers tell the women to get out first. Now there's a huge line of people waiting to go into the jail. These are all like the new arrestees. Like I described earlier, people, you know, have just been in altercations of the police. People who are drunk, people who are high, people have been tasered, people who've got injuries.

And as they see, these women coming off the van, this big line of men turns round and start heckling the women. And I can't remember specifically what they were saying, but it was of a sexual nature. So the women, you know, a wild woman who's very tough, was just, you know, just look at these guys, like assessing the situation. But the other women looked like they were really. feeling really insulted and disrespected. So then the men start to get out of the van.

And the guard just yelling at everybody to get down these steps very quickly. So wild man just stops on the top step. And the cops telling him to get down. He just doesn't move. And he raises his Vikings beard. And he opens his eyes really wide. And he looks at all of the men heckling. the women and he goes

Hey that there's my fucking woman I'll have fucking any of you guys when we get inside there in a couple of minutes because that's where we're all fucking going if you guys don't shut the fuck up right now

you're going to see what's going to happen to you and they all just shut the fuck up right away holy shit He was a good man to get arrested with. Yeah, he was 28 stone by the end of it. And one stone is 14 pounds, I believe. What did you say it was? 28 stone?

That was his weight. Let me just tell you 14 times 28. So he was 400 pounds in weight and 6 foot 2. Oh, my God. His fists were twice the size of mine. and it was just all human teeth marks all the way along them. Now, it might be an interested subject to going, might be Sammy DeVolp. Because he's on YouTube now and anything with him on it is going viral.

What was the story behind all that? Let's get into that. Let me just tell you one more thing. So we had a guy working for us called, let's say, Hanson Mark. And he started working for the Gravano. Enterprise. So he was playing both sides. And one of our customers gave Hanson Mark money for a thousand ecstasy. But Hanson Mark went and got it off the Gravano Enterprise instead of us. Not only that, he was pulled over by the feds and the pills were confiscated. So then the customer

comes to us. Well, she went to Wildman first. I hadn't authorized. what he'd done. He just went and did it himself. So she goes to Wildman and says, look, just gave one of your guys 10 plus thousand. He's saying that he got pulled over. There's no pills. There's nothing

he can do about it. So Wildman went and paid him a visit. And Wildman just like, he only needs to punch someone once. He would usually knock him out. So in this case, he punched the guy. And it ended up with the guy's tooth,

stuck in between two of his knuckles. So by the time I get there, he's explaining, I've just, this guy was fucking going through Sammy the ball. This is what happens. The people who go through Sammy the ball. He's showing me his fucking, his damaged,

his damaged fist. Was the tooth still like dangling out of his flesh? It wasn't still dangling, but his knuckles were all fucked up. Oh my God. Yeah, by the time I got up that it was later. So one of the people, Wildman, was going to retaliate against online, was Sammy the Bull because of what he said. And basically, you know, I got trolled a lot last year as my channel has grown, as I've done more about Epstein and sexual abuse and exposing the elites.

The trolls are getting more organized against me. Yeah, you're in this sort of like weird universe of. conspiratorial shit that most people don't know is exists. And then some people are aware of it. They think, oh, you're just, if you look that deep into something,

you're, you're a fucking cuckoo. Or it's just like you're in this like, this weird little world of like underground, criminal conspiracy stuff. So it's easy, I think, to put you in a certain category,

just like write you off. So the trolls contacted everybody from my past life to try and find holes in my story. They contacted my prosecutor. They contacted Sammy the Bull. They've contacted all of my ex-girlfriends. They've contacted everybody I've ever written about or put a photo up about or anybody they can find a photo of me with a social media. They've contacted all of my podcast guests.

They've contacted. I mean, this is just like insanity. These people have, these mentally ill people have so much time on their hands. And it's insane. So obviously they contacted Sammy the ball and said, you know, Sean Atwood, he's made his career, you know, by talking shit about you, are you going to do something about it? So Sammy the Bull got on a camera and said, this, Sean Atwood, he's, you know,

he's, you know, fuck, I'm hearing, he's a journalist, and he's a TV guy in England, he's saying he's built his career off my name. I don't, you know, I've never heard of the guy. He's full of shit. and if I had bumped heads with him in Arizona, I'd be picking his bones out of my teeth. That's what would happen to him. So anyway, I had to laugh,

and I'd like to set the record straight right now about this Sammy the Bull situation. And this is a clip that I think will do really good for you because this is so viral. And first thing I'd like to say is, I had so many aliases when I was running, in my Excessy Enterprise, the prosecutor said she couldn't even put them all on my grand jury indictment. So if someone says to Sammy the Bull, who's the Sean Atwood guy, how the hell is he

going to know who Sean Atwood is? Because I was just a shadowy figure running this thing without my real name ever been known to anybody. So that's the first thing I'd like to say. Second thing I'd like to say is I love Sammy the Bull's YouTube channel. I've sent so many people over there. He is a master storyteller. Reminds me of two Tonys who protected me in prison. There are so many people out there who can't tell a story. And he is, I'm riveted.

I've been watching it. And he's part of a generation. And there's not many of that generation still alive, these iconic Italian mafia figures. So, you know, hats off to him for that. next thing I'd like to say is that they handcuffed wild man to Gerard Gravano in Towers' jail in 2002, 2003, which is Sammy the Bull's son. Now, on the streets, you know, a lot of people have been saying they were working for the Bull for Sammy. And I think I previously gave you my story of the guys I met in Tucson, who my bisexual,

lesbian porn star wife was dating one of their girlfriends we met them i sat down with them and i said it's the fence we need to worry about not each other you guys are lighting the place up uh you know we need you need to chill and there's plenty of demand for actually we could coexist the piece didn't last long my top sales guy skinner one click from the grvano enterprise enticed him to a nightclub in scott's dale under the pretext of doing a deal with him. They took him into the men's room and knocked his teeth out and took all of his money

and all of his drugs. And after that, I moved onto that property, Sinvacus, Catalina Foothills, Tucson, Arizona in the gated, gated guarded community. So as an added layer of protection against Gravano's crew, at the same time,

I had a female who had penetrated into the Gravano household, was attending barbecues over there was giving me, you know, the layout. We did some drive-bys on the street and telling me about, you know, the associates, what they looked like and who was over there, you know, all these steroid head jock guys in the train and the tracksuits sports were at these barbecues with the Gravanos. So that's where it was at on the streets with the Gravanoes.

And people are saying, because Sammy the Bulls, is said I'm full of shit, he never knew me. I'm completely making all of this up. But if you go to the police reports, or if you go to the Phoenix New Times article, it says that I was Sammy the Bulls competitor in the XSy market. And I was established for so long

that because I had done it for years, Gravano just came in, lit the place up got arrested. I made him look like a flash in the pan. Now that's coming from the cops and the local media. can, you know, verify that independently. Sammy has recently said that he wasn't even running the XSys Enterprise. So the question is, were all these people working for the Gravano Enterprise just throwing

his name out there saying he was the boss? Or, you know, were they actually working for him? And for whatever legal reasons, he's unable to say that. Back to Towers' jail, 2000 and 2003. So Sammy the Bulls crew, they get arrested a couple of years before my crew. I'm like, thanks, cups. You just wiped out the competition. But all those resources that were on Gravano were then put onto me. May 16, 2002.

That was when the SWAT team came. So they are running through the court process a couple of years before we are. So when the guards knowingly chained Gerard Gravano to Wildman, they did that on purpose because they wanted to see what would happen they knew there was two crews that had beef on the streets. Now, Wildman looks at me like, what should I do?

And I said, because, you know, we don't want to get any more charges. These guys have probably got some good legal information for us. They're ahead of the curve on this. They've been going through this for a couple of years. We should just sit down with him, find out what the tricks are, the prosecutors are playing on them, you know, and how all this shit works. And that's what we did.

We sat there all night with Sammy the Bull's son before we went to our court hearing. We were fine with him. And I'm fine with him to this day. And the trolls have contacted him too. But he has acknowledged that he does know who I am. And he was sentenced for, as one of the dominant leaders of the XSRIC ring. So it's, you know, it's 100% that Gerard Gravano was near the top of whoever was running the XRey ring, whether the dad was or whether he wasn't.

And prior to us meeting Gerard in the jail, my homie G-Dog, who I told you last time introduced me to his brothers in La M.A., where they had the rocket pommel grenade launcher on the TV, G-Dog had, I don't know if he'd been a cellmate with Gerard Gravano or he'd gone to interview his cell previously and spoke to him when they first got arrested, this was,

and said, look, you know, don't fuck with English Sean and Peter because we've got his back. So that's how they knew who was protecting us, or at least Gerard did. And then, you know, down the road, I've kept in touch with him on email. It's been years now since we had any last communication. But those guys all went to Hollywood.

They're doing the straight and narrow thing. Mob wives became that hit TV show. So, you know, kudos to. Karen Gravano for pulling that off. And I've read her book and I love her book. And I think what they're doing right now is they're on the positive track. I offered to pay for Sammy the Bull Gravano to fly to London so we could sit down and have a podcast recorded professionally here in London. That would have been a huge thing.

And people say, well, you only said that because you know he can't travel because he's got this criminal record. But we did the same thing with John Elite, Mafia hitman for the Gambinos. You know, he admits to being involved in multiple murders. And he came to the UK. And me and Wildman sat down with him. And that's one of the most watch videos on the channel. So that offer is still open.

If Sammy the ball wants to come to London, we would love to sit down with him and get this filmed professionally. And if he's got any questions for me, I'd like to set that record straight. because I'm not full of shit. It's fully documented what we've done. And there's, you know, the police recently,

I had to re-get my story re-verified through a TV company and doing something with. It was already verified by National Geographic. They had to see my paperwork in the beginning for Locked Up Abroad. And I'm looking at the paperwork recently. It's, you know, it's right there about some of the witness statements, the 10 witness statements that led to me getting arrested

were people who were playing both sides and they were just working for Sammy but then they told the cops they were working for me and started to give them all this information up, hoping to reduce their own sentences. All 57 of Sammy the Bulls co-defendants agreed to cooperate. We had over 100 and only four agreed to cooperate because we were tight.

Wow. Yeah. That's fucking insane. That would be a great conversation, I feel like, between you and him. Two big competing ecstasy enterprises. back in the same era in Arizona. That would be an amazing.

Has he answered you at all? Have you reached out to him, obviously? Has he responded? Yeah, I reached out to him through a person who represents him rather than doing any silly online stuff. And that person said presently, he's not going to do it. Really? Yeah.

But he said he's focusing on his channel and his channel is doing great. And if you like those old school mafia stories, you know, dark tales of blood and guts, with Gallo's humor, I urge people to go over to Sammy DeBow's channel and check those stories out. Couldn't you guys just do one of these Zoom things? Yeah, but it's not, you know,

all my Zoom things have not been as effective in terms of reach versus having my camera cruder. Yeah, they're not the same. They're just not, like, it's, it's really weird. You can't really, like, connect and build, like, a rapport with somebody, and they don't, like, naturally, last as long. Like podcast people come in the studio,

they always go over two hours, two and a half hours, no problem. But when it's like this, like we always hit a wall for some reason, no matter who I'm talking to on the computer. Staring at a fucking screen, man.

It does your eyes in. It does. Yeah, it really does. So like, all right, let's go. I want to talk about before you went into the ecstasy business,

you were huge in the stock market. You're making millions of dollars, you know, buying and selling and, and, uh, executing stock options. Now this shit is so confusing.

Why is the stock market and obviously it's a huge, it's a topical subject right now with all the game stop stuff going on and the hedge funds like, you know, we're billions dollars in the hole because of game stop. But can you explain for dummies like myself? What is a stock option and how is a stock option? and how is a stock option relevant or how is a stock option? What is a stock option compared to these bets on companies like game stock failing?

When they bet on a company failing like this and how does it work? Okay. So let me just say that what I'm about to say, I need to do a disclaimer now because there's laws against giving investment advice. So this is just going to be educational information I'm going to give based on. on my experience in the stock market from age 14. So I have what, 10, 20, 30, 6, 37 years experience in the stock market. I was trading options in my late teens. And in my 20s, I was a licensed stockbroker.

I was a licensed, had the options license. And I had a branch manager license in the 1990s this was in Arizona, working as a stockbroker. So there my qualifications. So the stock market is an absolute minefield. And people who go in who don't have a clue what they're doing will just get their legs blown off very quickly. 90 something percent of new investors just get completely bled dry. So stay away from it if you do not know what you are doing. Stocks, you know, you buy, let's say Tesla.

and it goes up 10% and you sell Tesla and you make 10% profit. Let's say you buy Tesla, it goes down 10% and you sell Tesla and you lose 10% of your capital. Now with options, if Tesla goes up 10% and you own a call option, it might go up 100% or 200%. depending upon how geared that call option is. If Tesla goes down 10%, you may lose 100% of your investment, depending upon how geared that call option is.

Flip that over now to put options. Put options are when you're betting it's going to go down. Tesla goes down 10%. Your put option may go up 100%. Tesla goes down 10%, I'm sorry, Tesla goes up 10%. Your put option may be completely wiped out. You may lose 100%. So the easiest way to think of options is as geared investments.

When an underlying security moves a fraction of a percent, an option is going to swing wildly depending upon various factors, which include the exercise price, the exercise date, the volatility of the underlying security, and so on and so on. Now, if you want to capitalize on the demise of a company and the fall of its stock price, there are two ways to do it. You either buy, put options, or you sell it short. So the short sellers on GameStop, for example. Wait, what is the difference between selling it short or buying a put option? So put options are called derivative securities.

And with a put option, you can make a very small investment. And it's geared so tremendously that your capital can go up hundreds of percent very quickly or you can be wiped out very quickly. Now, selling short has got nothing to do with derivative security. securities. To sell short, you have to pony up the full capital to collateralise that trade. I'll give you an example. Say you're a short seller on GameStop at $5 and you want to sell short $10,000 shares. 10,000 times $5,000 is $50,000. Depending upon your relations of, you, you want to sell short 10,000 shares. with your broker is what determines how much you must put up to collateralise that trade. But back in the 90s, you had to put up at least 50%.

So I sell short $50,000 dollars worth of GameStop at $5. And I put up $25,000 as collateral. Now the people see that. GameStop has got a huge amount of short selling on it. And the people think, hey, this is a good opportunity for a short squeeze. Now, what a short squeeze means is they just buy shares because of the large short interest, knowing that if they drive the shares up, the short sellers are going to get a margin call and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy

when they buy their shows back to cover their margin call that it sends it even higher and even more short sellers are triggered to buy those shows back. Go back to the guy who put $25,000 down. GameStop goes from 5 to 6. So now he's down 10,000.

So his collateral is shrunk to 15,000. GameStop goes, to seven. Now his collateral has shrunk to 5,000 because he's down 20,000. At some point, he gets a call from his broker saying, you need to send us money if you want to maintain this position. And that's called a minimum margin requirement. It might be a third of the underlying value of the short sale. but whatever it is, it's getting triggered every single time that stock goes up. Now, let's say it goes to 10 and he's down 50 grand and he's got no money left. Do you know what he has to do now?

He has to buy the shares back and eat the loss. And when he buys those shares back, what does that do? Sends the shares higher. So a guy who got wiped out at 10, he might buy a. it back, sends it to 11 and then the guys who are wiped out 11, they have to buy it back and they send it to 12

and then those guys 13 and off it goes to outer space and that's exactly what you saw with GameStop. To the moon. To the moon Alice. Oh my God.

What was your reaction when you saw this happening? Okay, so I this is your world man this is you're used to live in this I've seen this these things happen so many times so it was no surprise to me but what it what it is symptomatic of is it is an overheating market so we saw the corona crash then we saw the feds just put in the monetary methadone and that has lower interest rates has just sent everything skyrocketing and then there's a saying in the stock market when you're barber starts recommending an investment,

it's time to get the hell out because that means there's no more suckers left to put their money in. And that's what we've got the froth. We're at the froth level right now. Psychology, however, can take things to extremes. That is why it's so hard to call the top.

When I went on True Geordie about three years ago, I said, look, Bitcoin, way overvalued. All it is is computer code. I think it's going to go down. And it did. It went down to from 20,000 to 3,000 to 4,000. Recently, it broke back above 20,000. Now that's called a technical breakout.

And when something does break above an old high, there's no limit as to how high psychology could take it. So we saw it, wham, right up to 40,000. It's got as high as 44,000 today. Could go to 100. I still think Bitcoin is worthless. This is psychology driving the market. It's a millennial bubble.

But how high does it go in the meantime? Because I think it's worthless, do I sell it short at $45,000 at $50,000? No, I certainly do not because like I said, you never know how high it's going to go when psychology takes over. Let's roll the clock back now to Holland Chulip Mania hundreds of years ago. people were remorgeting their houses to buy tulip bulbs. Chulet bulbs were more valuable than gold. And that's just the effects of crowd psychology.

If people are interested in this, there's two books I read as a kid. And one is Le Bonn, The Crowd, and the other is Extraordinary Popular Delusions in the Madness of Crowds by Charles McKay. Because when I got interested in the stock market at 14, I went down Witness Library and ordered dozens of books on the subject. And I quickly learned this is not a pure mathematical thing. It is a crowd psychology thing. And once you tune into that, you can learn how to ride those trends.

And the other thing I would recommend to people is a book called The Secrets for Profiting in Bull and Burr Markets by Stan Weinstein. I had that one read as a teenager. I must have read it about 10 times. And later in life, when I was a top producer stockbroker, Stan Weinstein, guru actually started mentoring me over the phone. I was one of his corporate clients. Every time, you know, he called the office because he was on Wall Street Week and that. He was this big figure in that world. All the brokers were looking at me like it, like, you know, Stan Weinstein's on the phone.

There's also a forum that discusses and puts out stock selections. based exclusively on Stan Weinstein's methodology. And that is called stageanalysis.net, of which I am a member. And I think the last thing I posted on that was that Zoom had done a technical breakout around the beginning of the corona. I didn't buy any myself. God, I wish I had. If you look at the subscriber growth in Zoom numbers and the share price jump, I mean, that is definitely a company that is going places in terms of revenue and earnings per share growth,

which is what drives companies, values. The short sellers on GameStop looked at the financials. They hadn't made money in years. They're still losing money now. So that valuation in the billions had no resemblance to reality. But these things are never a straight line. The people who buy them on the hype end up just getting. in wiped and these things have to return to the fair market value eventually.

That's called the efficient market hypothesis. And the firm market value is based on the discounted cash flow and earnings of everything that the company is going to make in the future. And people say, well, look, if the short sellers are buying all the, you know, the short squeezers are buying all the shows? How on earth are the shares ever going to come down? What happens is the company can issue more shows at any time, and they often do when share prices go up that high. The insiders start to sell all of their shares.

They can't believe their look. They've got shares at almost zero, millions of them. And next thing, it's gone from five to what, almost 50. And they're insider share. Believe me, they are filing reports to sell their shares as quick as possible. So these things are flashes in the pan. The stock market will always go back to a firm market value at some point. But in the meantime, psychology creates these huge swings, which if you can read the trends

and forecast the trends, you can capitalize on those swings. Why do you think Bitcoin is worthless? Don't you think the concept of Bitcoin and having a currency that's not able to, to be manipulated by the federal government or by billionaire hedge funds, billion dollar hedge funds. Don't you think that's a good idea? Absolutely. I completely agree.

So what is the value of a commodity, you know, exchange value, industrial value, portability, transferability now and supply? So look at the value of gold. You know, there's only so much supply of gold in the world. Look at the value of, you know, any other precious assets. Bitcoin has the flagship factor, but anyone can create a cryptocurrency. So the supply is potentially unlimited for people creating cryptocurrencies. Surely someone else can create a cryptocurrency with all the same, exact same attributes.

as Bitcoin. The supply is potentially infinite. It's not something you're mining out of the ground that industry is going to use that has this actual value. And, you know, eventually the governments will capitalize on that weakness in cryptocurrencies, I believe, to bring the values back down. Well, yeah, you know, I'm not a fan of the government. I'm all for everything that you just said. Well, I just think that it's a psychological bubble created by millennials and perpetuated by millennials. And it's going to have to come crashing down at some point. But right now it is on a red hot turn. It's going to the moon, Alice. Yeah, it's at like 42,000 last time I checked. I think it was insane. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I've even talked to, you know, a lot of

Lots of Bitcoin experts and they all say don't invest in it. Just use it as something to, you know, if you can do transactions with it casually, you know what I mean? Not if you think about a lot of people say, if you think about investing in Bitcoin, just just picture yourself throwing it away or lighting that money on fire. If you want, if you wanted like, if somebody owes you some money for a service and they, they happen to have Bitcoin, ask them to pay you in Bitcoin. But don't take a bunch of your money and put it into there because it's basically just like burning it.

I saw that a new story recently. I think it was the German authorities arrested a fraudster that had like tens of millions of Bitcoin. And he wouldn't give him the password. So they can't access it. But they've kind of like done something. So he can't access it either. Huh. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a cool thing about Bitcoin. The government can't take your money away no matter what you've done. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. You talked about there was like a wake up moment for you when you were in the stock market. They kind of brought you into this world of activism and being outspoken about America. America's darkest, dirtiest secrets.

And that was 9-11. Inside a options trading, yeah. Can you break that? I know you've talked about it before, but for people that are watching this one, can you kind of like break down like how you experienced that and how you discovered everything that went down? Yeah.

So I've already explained what a put option is. Right. Just to clarify in case you're going to make a clip, a put option is a derivative security whereby, if the underlying security moves a small percentage, the put option will move a massive percentage. And with put, you're betting that the underlying security is going to go down. It's the opposite of a call option. In the days before 9-11, the average daily volume of the put options on the airlines went

through the bloody roof when 9-11 happened. and the stock market was halted and the stock market was reopened days later and the underlying securities had collapsed those put options had gone up thousands of percents small investments were worth millions it was headline news it's on youtube you can find it about inside an option trade

and the guy said on the headline news in America, this has to be the terrorists. The only people could possibly know were the terrorists. This is insider terrorist trading. These trades will be traced and we will find out who these bastards are. Paraphrasing, of course. So it completely disappears out of the news. Now, you know, options is something I've been on for many years.

of my life, I'm thinking, what is going on with this? This is insane. I've never seen anything like this before in my life. Headline news, pish, gone. Years later, I'm in a maximum security, Madison Street, jail, Phoenix, Arizona, reading a book by David Ike, I think, perhaps Alice in Wonderland, 9-11. and his research had found that those trades had been traced to a brokerage that was run by X-C-I-A. So not only had they known about it, they had profited from it. Everybody who knew about those trades at the time was visited by the feds, was visited by the feds, and deputized, which meant, if you ever speak to these trades about anyone outside of this interview today, you are going to prison for years of your life. So that completely, I mean, if people Google it,

I'm not put out all the names involved, but if people Google it, you can see all the names involved. I don't want to get it too complicated for people, but it gets really deep. now is there actual proof that there's ex-CIA people that were in charge of the banks that were doing these trades oh yeah is this some like because i know david i i mean talk about being connected to some bat-shit craziness i know he's connected to some crazy shit yeah i agree 100% every time you see him in his name that people are talking about reptilians and stuff i agree 100% that david has some conspiracy theories that people would consider crazy but this has been verified by a number of other independent researchers as well Okay.

It's been discussed on RT quite a lot and I urge people to go on go online and check it out themselves. I'm just putting it in right now on my computer to try and get the name

of that brokerage. Max Kaiser, he's a guy who's done a lot on it on RT. Max Kaiser because he was involved with those brokers as well. Here we go.

Max Kaiser and guest talk about 9-11 inside of trading. Oh yeah, here it is. Here it is. Right. So it was very obvious that advanced knowledge of the attacks were circulating amongst traders. And this insider trading happened days leading up to the attacks. Busy Krongarde, K-R-O-N-G-A-R-D, deputy. chairman of the CIA

was the former head of Alex Brown and Alex Brown was the company that had I think the majority of the options transactions went for them. It says, I used to work for Buzzie, Alex Brown, I still keep in touch with my former colleagues.

Some of whom were buzzing about the action and the put options on the airlines. Additionally, a company I started in LA.com had been sold to Wall Street brokerages a few months before the attacks. and the company had relocated their acquisition to the top floor of the World Trade Center. I was in touch of employees who were also buzzing about the Put Option Forensia in airline stocks, and they cited Alex Brown as a major source.

I urge people to research it. There's a lot more names involved. There's a lot more companies involved. And there are some articles that really laid down, but just off the top of my head right now, I can't find them. It's fucking crazy, man. That shit is some terrifying stuff. And no one, it's something that no one really talks about. Because the people who did the trades would go to prison.

And it goes right against, you know, what was it, Pink Floyd said? Mother, should I trust the government? The government does not want you to hear it. Mainstream media is owned by, you know, the same corporations who own the government. There you go. You're not going to get it apart from independent researchers here and now. My whole like overview of this whole situation with the stock market is that the normalization of the internet and everyone having access to so much information and everyone just living on these on these devices 24 seven. It's made it harder for the government and corporations to keep secrets.

You know, and it's kind of it's made everything more transparent, which is made like previously like if you even go 10 years ago when or 20 years. ago when no one had iPhones or people weren't living on the computer online, I'm sure far less far less people understood the stock market than they do today. And now because of something like this, because now you have this crazy news story about a bunch of kids on Reddit that are manipulating and making these people lose billions, now everybody wants to learn how the stock market works. And it's going to it's going to shine a light on all this shady shit that happens all the time. That's normal for the stock market. Okay. So what you said about technology advancing is true. But with the stock market, there's nothing new under the sun. So when you see

this deluge of novices wanting to learn about the stock market, we saw exactly the same thing during the dot-com bubble. And we know when that deluge happens that the stock market is getting near a top because who's left to buy after those what the professionals would look, view as idiots. Once that last wave of money comes in from your barber, from your granny, from, you know, whoever little Reddit investors, once all that money's in, who else is left then to sell shows to? Because the insiders are constantly unloading stock on novice investors. It's a disinformation game. When you read something in online or in a financial publication

that says this company's doing great, you should buy shares in it, that information is being put out there because someone is trying to sell you their shows. Insiders are constantly just pumping news stories out, telling you how great they're doing, how strong our earnings growth is. How sales revenue is going to go through the roof in the coming years. We've got contracts with China. All these stories are coming out all the time to suck people into buying the shares. They are selling to them.

For every buyer, there's a seller. And when that last wave of suckers comes in, it's getting near a market top. And those people, you know, your barbers, your shoeshine person, when they get wiped, they'll go back to doing what they're doing. doing and I wish they never got involved in the stock market in the first place. I see it over and over again. Such a crazy game. It's just like going to the casino.

I've never been into it. I've never bought shares and like individual pick. I've never like individually picked stocks or day trade or whatever. You know, just like, you know, index funds or whatever, passive stuff. But man, it's addicting once you get into that. You started like watching it every day, watching your numbers go up and down. Short term trading, definitely. So again, this is just an educational video.

This is not investment advice. If you put some money away every month in a fund that's highly rated and is safe, over time, you'll see that go up and down, up and down. But over time, you will make a much higher rate of return than you would than having that money just parked in the bank at a very low interest rate. but you've got to be able to stomach those ups and downs. If you're putting the money in every month, you're doing what's dollar cost averaging.

So when it goes down, you buy more. Automatically, when it goes up, you buy less. But your growth is right there. That's the sensible way to do it for novice investors. Yeah, I think that's even what in an interview that I watched, which made me decide to start doing this, Warren Buffett, they asked him what he would do if he was not in his position or whatever he would do. He said, the biggest return with the least downside is put all my money in the

S&P 500 over whatever, however many years, 50, 60, 70 years. You're not going to lose them that because the S&P 500 is the biggest corporations who are run by the biggest psychopaths who are getting the biggest government contracts because of that thing called bribery. Oh, sorry, political contributions. That's what keeps all that in motion. That's another thing is politics is becoming so much more transparent. people are like media like we're doing now like politicians are able to go on here and talk to people for hours there's some that don't do it obviously but there's some that do do it and they're up front about everything and it's hard to smear somebody by taking them out of context nowadays because if they do something long form unedited like this you can always go back and find the source if you're not lazy so i feel like that's changing too and

I guess I'm optimistic about the future of politics and corrupt institutions of this country, now that everything is becoming more transparent, it seems like, in the last couple years. Yeah, but look at those of us who are exposing the corruption and what we're having to go through, ranging from trolls to black ops level stuff to take us down. Look at what Julian Assange is going through. He sacrifices life to shine a light on that corruption to get to the truth. Once you get so many followers, they take you out, don't they? Or they destroy your character.

They used to assassinate you, but now they destroy your character, or they put you in prison and give you a life sentence, or they just hold you indefinitely like Julian Assange. So they still, the old guard still have techniques. to combat what's going on with technology. And look at the Great Wall of China. Look at how, you know, those poor bastards over the suppression of information that's going on. So I don't want to be too negative here.

But yeah, that's my response to that. No, and another thing, it's also insane to realize looking at the state of America right now and look at everyone's view on China. Like everyone like I think by and large the general view of China over here is like China is this crazy communist place. There's no freedom. You know, all the protests that are going on all the terrible things that happen in China. But look how old China is. I had a guy on here that was recently telling me a story how he was over there doing a tour and someone was showing him a mill or something like an old mill that made that made some sort of fabric or whatever.

They're like, you see that thing? That thing is older than America. and he's like what America's going through right now China went through thousands of years ago so I don't know it's just it puts everything in such perspective to realize how you know it's an ancient civilization with so much history and they've arrived where they are now but look at some of the modern cities now they look like things from Flash Gordon don't they they're so advanced yeah so Maxwell yeah let's talk about Gilane Maxwell. Last time we talked about

Geelaine Maxwell, she had I think just been arrested and we were kind of, you were kind of telling your thoughts on what you think was going to happen to her. A lot of what we said has unfolded. When Maxwell got arrested, the more conspiratorial were saying that the fix was already in, you know, she would get a pass somehow

and she would be let off. So it's a not name all of these people, her co-conspirators, royalty, people at the head of business, etc. But we've seen in the courts, month after month, motion after motion, go against her. She offered a multi-million dollar bail bond package, and the judge shut that down. She revealed that she's married, and I think it was 25 million. And the prosecutor said, you know, she's got multiple citizenship, France, Israel, the UK. And that money, you know, if she's facing a life sentence, she could just easily walk away from it.

We don't know how deep her pockets are, but we believe the money that she said her husband was putting up was her money in the beginning. so, you know, it's probably chunk change to her with her assets she's got around the world. Then we saw, as well as the denial of the bail bond, which has been going back and forth, we saw the authorities put in increased pressure on Prince Andrew to cooperate in this, and he's still reneging. And towards the end of the year,

we saw two of a huge, players, one in the Epstein case, one in the case of his own, I'm talking about Jean-Loup-Bronel. Jean-Lup Renel got arrested in France. Epstein had boasted he had slept with over a thousand girls from Jean-Luc Brunel's pipeline from Europe to America, including 12-year-old triplets. And he was laughing at what good oral sex they had given him on his birthday as this present from Jean-Loup Brunel. So I've been doing a series of interviews of a guy called Fred on my channel.

He's out of France. He might be a good one if he used to get on. He was an absolute expert in Jean-Loup Bernal. So he's at the forefront of this group of activists in France who are exposing this bastard. Virginia has said that at the orgy on the island in which Prince Andrew was participating, this is Virginia's words, in which which Maxwell was participating and Epstein that they were joking that these girls that

John Luke Brunel had sent over were the easiest ones. They couldn't even speak any English. And they were from these poor families in Eastern Europe. John Luke Brunel was running a modelling agency and they tell these girls, we're going to launch a career, come with us. And next thing, they get in sex trafficked. So the French authorities, as well are leaning on Prince Andrew to give information. Now, is Prince Andrew, you know, and these other big names, the sleeve Maxwell's got up her, the car that Maxwell's got up her sleeve,

even if she does, it would be in the interest of national security to prevent that information from coming out. We're talking about Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, multi-billioners, Leon Black, it's come out since our last interview, gave Epstein 150 million. So Epstein, when he died, his net worth was around half a billion. Leon Black, who manages one of the biggest funds in the world, gave Epstein 150 million. A lot of that money must have gone to the sex trafficking.

So, you know, directly his money was going into the sex trafficking of these kids. But nothing's been done to him. So there are these huge names that seem to be untouchable. So the trial is scheduled for this summer. And what Maxwell has been doing is going to court every month and trying to increase her plea bargaining power. Because right before the trial, each side then will try and get together. And based on the plea bargaining power of the defendant,

a deal will be agreed to avoid trial. I think that is the most likely outcome. It might not necessarily happen right before this summer trial date because that summer trial date is like a musical chair. They could push that back three months, six months. They can keep going with that. But at some point, I believe that Maxwell will have to take a plea bargain. So what does that mean?

has to take a plea bargain. Let's say she'd won all of these motions and she had a really strong plea bargaining power just before the trial. They might offer her like five to ten. So she gets up in front of the judge, shows remorse and she's got all these mitigating circumstances. The judge has had a nice breakfast that day. He's not, you know, he's in a good mood. The judge might sentence her to the lower end of that range. So if she's got five to ten, the judge might give her six years. if she's going to court every month and all the motions are going against her and more witnesses are found and more charges are added to the indictment she is losing her plea bargaining power so by the time it gets to trial they may say look the position you in right now the best

we could do is offer you 15 to 20 now she's going to say right 15 to 20 if I get 15 is the feds I serve 85% that time. You know, the best years of my life are over. So I'm going to roll the dice and take it to trial. And I'm going to name these people. But at that point, the intelligence agencies would come in and say, look, national security, you can't go there. So these are the forces behind the scene at play.

I've interviewed various people. And they believe that Maxwell is sat on the biggest. the biggest treasure trove of political capital in the history of the world in terms of who Epstein filmed or recorded having sex with these trafficked girls. So if she's got stuff on the Clintons, royal family members, whatever it is, if she feels so trapped that she's going to lose the rest of her life, she might want to activate that treasure trove and use that as some kind of bargaining power. But Biden has come in.

So we've seen the changing of the guard in the White House. Biden and the Clinton crime family are like that. So we believe that Biden coming in will benefit Maxwell. because that information will not be allowed to come out under a Biden presidency with him at the top of the feds. And again, just like the title of Part 1, there's always the possibility that Maxwell will get Epsteined. What are they doing supposedly to prevent that? She has a whole floor of the jail to herself. Yep.

she's not in a general population of prisoners. She's asked to be moved to a general population of prisoners, so she can be around people and have those benefits. But because of the nature of her crimes, the inmate population is likely to, at the very least, attack and extort her or maybe even possibly kill her. She's been checked by guards continuously. She's saying that they're waking her up when she's asleep,

checking that she's still alive and the place is cameraed up like crazy. Just this week, she started to fight back and her lawyers filed something in the courts and they're saying that the only reason that she's been arrested was because of the failings in the Epstein case because of his death and that embarrassed the government. So to show that they're doing the job, they've gone after her and she should have been arrested a long time ago if they had a case against her, but I don't buy into that at all. When they arrest someone in a case of this magnitude and complexity, the bureaucracy is very slow,

but it keeps going and going and going and going. And they gather more and more information, get more informants, they get more conspirators on the indictments, and that's how they build these complex cases up. My case was classified as complex case. Over 100 people. It took about,

I didn't do my plea by, until the beginning of the third year. They were still arresting people then. So these things can go on and on and on. But even though it is a very small chance it will go to trial, I would love to see that. If Maxwell did name some big names at trial, certain government agencies would then have to take action upon those names.

But it won't get there. She will be silenced either legally or she will be Epstein. Do you think Jeffrey Epstein is still alive? You know what? Lynn Wood sent some stuff about that. It went quite viral on my channel in January. And I wouldn't rule out that he's, you know, it could be down on some island with Kenneth Lay,

who was George Bush Jr.'s biggest political contributor at some point. Really? Yeah, yeah. The guy behind the end run fiasco. Yeah. Was George Bush's single biggest contribution. contributor at some point. It's a crime family.

You've got to pay the back she's to the mafia boss if you're running your scams when they're in the White House, whereas the Clintons, whereas the bushes, it's the same old tricks, the same old games. And when Kenne Flae got arrested, I think I was in Department of Corrections. I said to my cellmate, Long Island, I said, this guy,

this is never ever going to get to trial. This guy was Bush's biggest contributor. Let's see what happens next. And he just died mysteriously, didn't he? Was his heart or something? Really? Oh, yeah. He was Epstein, yeah.

Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, well, the Epstein idea of him, the theory of him being still alive, it doesn't seem that far out of the realm of possibilities. Because if I'm Jeffrey Epstein and I know people are trying to kill me, I know people want me dead because of all this compromising information I have on top world officials, on world leaders. My response is going to be, if I disappear or end up dead, I have contingencies in place that will release all the information on all of you. You know what I mean?

Yeah. If Jeffrey Epstein, that would be, I would imagine that would be one of the top two things on his priority list. to have in place if he got locked up. So how would they get around that? You know what I mean? It seems like the most logical answer is they faked his death and he got out and he's living on some island. Or they seized that information because they have the technology that's so advanced that they would get that. And people I've interviewed believe that they do have that and Galane's Treasure Trove already.

And then they went in there. And if you look at the crime scene photo, There's electrical cord on the floor. They use that electrical cord to strangle him. And that's what caused the damage to the hyoid bone, which is more common in homicide than suicide. And then they strung him up to make it look like a suicide. So I'm about 90% believing the, he was Epstein and 10% that he's on some island with Kenneflay. Yeah, but even if they did get that information off whatever, off a hard drive, let's say.

how would they be able to, how do they know how many copies are out there or how to destroy, they would have to destroy the other evidence after they got their copy of it. All right. So let's say that Epstein was working for the intelligence community as a honey trap.

And his boss was Wexner, which is what Maria Farmer, the victim has said. Then if Epstein was just a mid-level manager in that operation. Wexner was the Victoria's Secret guy? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. he was the what's the other company as well I can't remember it off the top of my head was it Victoria Secrets anyway yeah I think it was Victoria Secrets yeah was one of them

so if Wexner is you know the boss of this honeytrap operation and he's clicked up with the intelligence community and Epstein was just a mid-level manager then I think that information could be contained by the intelligence community. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

I feel like it wouldn't be too hard for him to make copies of stuff and distribute it, you know, to have just something in place to save his own life. Yeah, but if you had the information, you just saw what happened to Epstein. What would you do with it? I would go leave it on the doorsteps of the New York Times or something like that. You know, somehow. Yeah, well, that streets cammered up, isn't it? They will, I would be shitting my fucking.

pants. That's what I would be doing. If Epstein, yeah, I guess, but if Epstein, I mean, you would think that Epstein would do something to pay those people to, to figure out a way to get that to the public you know, anonymously. I don't know.

I think it would have happened. If they had their balls to do that and they had information, I think someone would have released something. Yeah. I think it's been contained. Because they've got all the money and all the technology in the world against little players. So nothing's going to happen to her. Maxwell will do some prison time because she's going to have to.

Otherwise, everyone's going to just say there is no fucking justice in the world. How can this woman who trafficked hundreds or maybe thousands of victims and participated in sexual assaults get a pass because she's buddy with Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton? He's going to have to do something. And the lawyers are going to say, look, you know, that this is so serious these charges are so serious you've got to do some time it's just how much she does

so are you every day online just like keeping track of every document that's filed you are I can't even take a break the minute I try and take a break there's breaking Epstein news it's the case that never goes down because there's so many people involved and it's spreading

Jean-Lucanel Maxwell oh the other guy I forgot to make sure was Peter Nygaard who was doing these pamper parties. He was drugging girls up, taking their passports, and raping them anally after they've been, you know, promised these jobs as models and whatever. Again, another good old pal of Prince Andrew. He's been down there on the island.

And this guy's own sons are in the indict, charging him with sexual, they were sexually abused. The dad thought it was a good idea, a right of passage to have a sex worker, fuck his teenage sons, so that they were no longer virgins. Oh, my. So he bought a hooker for his kids? Yeah.

Wow. How old were they? They were in, like, I think, the middle or low teens. Oh, my God. Yeah. And how is this guy connected to Epstein? No, he's not. He's connected to Prince Andrew.

Prince Andrew, got you. He had an island down there near where Epstein's island was as well in a part of the world. So he was another Bahamian billionaire billionaire and in charge of a massive company. Let me just look it off again. You'll have heard of it out of Canada, I believe. I wonder what they're doing with Jeffrey Epstein's island. Okay, so they got this thing where they're trying to give up, give the compensation to the victims.

But they said they just run out of cash. So the island, the island is going to have to be, you know, liquidated if they want to keep paying these victims and the lawyer fees that are ongoing. Holy shit. How much money do they get for the island?

I can't remember how much it's worth last time I looked at. The value of Epstein's assets has actually gone up approximately 100 million since he died. Nygards Visitors over the years At his island included Michael Jackson,

George H.W. Bush, Robert De Niro, and Prince Andrew. What? It's called Nygard K. Nygard K. Yeah, yeah. In 1987,

he built a 14,000 square meter compound that Liford K in the Bahamas. Partly destroyed by fire on November 10, 2009. The K is inspired by the Mayan Civilizations Architecture. One of the major buildings is a 3,000 square meter grand hall with a 45 ton glass ceiling. And this guy still alive? Yeah, he's old now. He's 79 and he's in prison. He was rated the 70th richest Canadian in 2009 with a net worth of

817 million. And now he's in prison in the U.S. or where? Yeah, he's facing extradition to the US. Okay, okay. Yeah, six allegations of rape made against him all under 16. Well, I interviewed Ryan Dawson, who just got the platform from YouTube,

and he was talking about how they were just taking these girls' passports and drugging him up and sodomizing them. Jeez, who is this guy, Ryan Dawson, you said? Yeah, Ryan Dawson, he's out of Japan. He's a good guy. He's an activist. Why did he get the platform?

too many these kinds of videos you'll have to ask him that I'm not exactly sure what he got his strikes on what videos oh my god I'd love to see a podcast with David Ike and Alex Jones oh we need that don't we I mean I think they have done some

they did a Zoom I think or something like that did they? Yeah there's something on there was something online but I imagine that all got wiped out with the great D platform That would be absolutely bonkers. And you just did an interview with that guy, John Sweeney. And he has a whole podcast dedicated to Epstein and Maxwell

and that whole story, right? So with the BBC. His podcast became the number one podcast in the UK. It was... Really? It's called Hunting Galane. So my interview of him is called Hunting Galane Maxwell's John Sweeney, if people want to check that out.

I thought I knew a lot about Maxwell, but he spent many years dedicated to that. And I learned a lot from John Sweeney. There were things I was wondering about, and he filled in those blanks. What was the biggest revelation or the biggest thing that he uncovered in your mind? So he talked about

Maxwell, Galane Maxwell's upbringing, and he just went into a vivid description of how dysfunctional it was under Robert Maxwell, who was this charismatic media tycoon, but he was also an absolute monster and a psychopath in many ways. And because he was so charming, people who were close to him, you know, when they said, like, he's a monster or he's a psychopath, they said, well, at least he's our monster,

or at least he's our psychopath. But apparently Galane was subjected to corporal punishment, and there was a selection of belts. and looking at what happened later on, you know, books that were found in Epstein's properties like the Marquis de Sard, this BDSM stuff, a lot of what happens just when we're kids carries forward into our adult lives.

So this BDSM propensity it seems that a root cause is possibly the, the beltings and the corporal punishment that she got from her dad who she idolized and he was her favorite as well out of all of the kids who some of them became hugely successful some of them died

there was all it's like a a Greek tragedy what happened to the kids what happened how many brothers and sisters does she have a lot a lot quite a lot let me just have a look right now we could see how her behavior was shaped by the treatment that came from her father. Now, you know, Sweeney was quite sympathetic

in respect that he was saying that that was a mitigating circumstance, you know, for Maxwell because of this dysfunctional upbringing. Nine children. Nine. Nine children he had. So if you want to hear the, crazy stuff that happened to these kids. So Michael was the oldest brother. He fell into a coma aged 15 after a car crash in 1961 and died eight years later having never regained consciousness.

So imagine your Galane and your brother is just on life support and he can't even communicate with you. So that is really sad. Eight years? Eight years? Eight years. Philip, 71, poor Philip, he was described by as his friends, became a brilliant scientist and mathematician, won a scholarship to Bailey Old College, Oxford at just 16. But he so hated his father that as soon as he could, he fled to Argentina to get afar away from him as possible. They fell out when he married Nilda, an Argentinian in 1977 against his dad's wishes. the marriage didn't last. Nilda moved out taking their daughter Marcella with her and a second marriage also failed. He was last heard of living in a 65 pound a week flat. That is a hundred dollar a week apartment in North London trying to be a writer.

And what was he writing about? His bullying father. Anne 69 became an actress and she was called ugly by her father. God. When her fledgling acting career floundered, her dad said, What have you and Pope John Paul II got in common? You are both ugly and you are both failed actors. This is how crazy that guy was. Jesus Christ. She studied Italian and French at Oxford, trained as a Montezori teacher,

married an osteopath, and is now believed to be a hypnotist in Surrey, practicing under a different name. She kept out of the limelight since her father's death in 1968. So I'm sorry. I might try and get a hold of her. Oh, this is a good one. Christine, so you saw some of them didn't do very well, but these did. Christine and her sister Isabel made the Sunday Times rich list in 1999 after amassing

a hundred million pounds during the dot-com bubble. But then they lost it all. But now they back up again or something. crazy. Jeez, man. Yeah, yeah. Where are they all? Where was the, what was the dad's name again?

Robert Maxwell? Robert Maxwell. Where was he, where did he live? Where was he based out? Was he in the UK? So he was out of checklist of Aclia. Oh, okay. And his entire family were wiped out in the Holocaust.

But his mom said to him, get to England and copy the mannerisms of an English gentleman. And that's what he did. Interesting. Although there's a weird death, Isabel, the second twin, she got together with an illusionist, a third husband, illusionist Al Seccle, a significant player in the California literary academic and celebrity scene, was famous for holding parties for the great and good, and was a good friend of Epstein. In 2009, the two organized a science conference called Mind Shift on Epstein's private island. Isabel and Seckle married in Malibu in 2007.

But the union was never legal as he'd forgotten to file the papers to know the second of three previous marriages. But here's what happens to him. In 2015, Seckle was found dead below a cliff near their home in the village of St. La Popi in France's Loat Valley And Isabel still lives in the south of France Was he Epstein in 2015? Somebody needs HBO needs to do a documentary on the Maxwell family

That would be fucking bonkers Isn't even sad a one Corrine, the middle sister Age Free in 1957 Died of leukemia Oh And on it goes man, it's endless the sister.

Jeez. It's a tragic, tragic history from that family. Kevin became Britain's biggest ever bankruptcy. Oh, on and on it goes, yeah. Wow.

I wanted to ask you before we end this thing, I did a podcast with Wilford Wong. It's one of like my biggest podcast. It's got, like almost a half a million views on it. You emailed me right when he got arrested. You got arrested for apparently he claims he was trying to catch some one of these satanic cults who are praying on children.

What happened with him? All right. So Wilford Wong was arrested with a group of people, including the mum of the kid that they had taken from social services. And these are the kind of stories that are causing problems, legal problems for people. So I'm going to word things very carefully. I want to say that, you know, the mother obviously believed that her kid was getting abused in Kerr. And Wilfred, they had a car with false license plates and I think he had a knife in his possession. We absolutely do not advocate that people take matters into their own hands and snatch kids from the authorities because Wilfred is facing a massive prison sentence.

now for abjecting a child. One of his co-defendants was found dead already in the prison. Yeah. And I have had a letter from Wilford, which I read out on my channel. And I also recently published a four-hour, 15-minute podcast with John Wedger, who had referred Wilford to us in the first place, who is in telephone communication with Wilford. And he has communicated Wilfred's story and wishes through that medium. So there's a trial coming up and Wilford is protesting his innocence, asking people to write to the government in Wales and is going to be taking it to trial. So we are awaiting the outcome of that.

But again, I reiterate, people do not follow in Wilford's footsteps and snatch kids from the authorities. and you know you're going to end up with a massive prison time if you do anything like that yeah the one thing that was that questioned about wilfr i know a lot of people talk about the s r a and the satanic ritual abuse that that happens but the weirdest thing was there's no solid evidence of it ever happening there's no like footage or video or or anything and he's like a like a a very devoted christian right like he's he's he's very involved in like a bunch of Christian organizations and does a lot of work within that religion, which it just seems interesting that he's so devoted to catching these Satanists. There are some cases documented that people can find online of people who've been charged with crimes that were a part of satanic rituals.

but it's not you know everyday thing that we see correct yeah right I mean is there is there any actual like video or footage and there's like the whole bohemian grove thing where where uh they had like a fake child's body or fake body or whatever

that they were sacrificing but is there ever has there ever been any actual evidence found well there's all kinds of things are available online showing macabre crimes snuff movies red rooms there's all kinds of horror story stuff going on

and perhaps you know people who believe in good and evil would say that that you know those are satanic enterprises in themselves but I know what you're saying like there's people who love

the theatrics of it of worshipping the devil. You know what I mean? It's a fun thing for some people. Like there's metal bands who sacrifice fake people on stage and people think it's exciting and fun and whatever. It's rebellious, isn't it, for young people as well. You know, Gothic and, yeah.

Yeah. So, you know, how much of it is out there? I have no idea. I'm no expert on this subject. Yeah. But it's fun to investigate and talk about. It certainly is, yeah. I've interviewed quite a few.

people on it. Cool, man. Well, thank you for doing this. I wish we had longer, but this was super exciting and fun. It's always a pleasure. Any anything specific we want to talk, you want to have people go to, like any specific videos you got going on or any new books? If you put the link to my channel in the description box, that's the thing I appreciate the most. It's free to subscribe to my channel. We're almost that's coming up to 700,000 subs now. I really appreciate all the people who jumped on there. And I've got about 15 books available. They're available worldwide on Amazon. Just put my name in. S-H-A-U-N. A-T-T-Wodd. Whether it's, you know, my jail story or stuff we write about the CIA and Epstein. New book coming out about Epstein, Who Killed Epstein,

Prince Andrew or Bill Clinton. We're going to have Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton on the front cover of that. That's fucking great. Other than that, you know, if it's just going from strength to strength, just putting, we're doing a weekly live stream right now called Atwood Unleashed with some of this more sensitive content. we've got two true crime podcasts coming out every week, one on Monday night and one on Thursday night as well. All on your main channel, the Sean Atwood channel. All on the main channel. And, you know, Danny, just really appreciate you having me on.

And it's always a pleasure.