Dante Gebel Live - Cerca de la quinta sinfonía

Episode Date: February 11, 2021

Hoy en día muchas iglesias ofrecen más entretenimiento que adoración, más uniformidad que diversidad, más exclusivismo que programas de extensión y más ley que gracia. Sin embargo, a pesar de t...odos los errores que presentan, debemos ver con esperanza a la imperfecta humanidad de la iglesia y de sus líderes, ya que sabemos que Dios le ha concedido a la raza humana el mayor de los honores, al elegir vivir dentro de nosotros, frágiles vasos de barro. La iglesia debe ser el lugar donde celebrar nuestras diferencias y compartir nuestro amor por Él. Recuerda que tu iglesia imperfecta, incluyendo a tu pastor aún más imperfecto, es el noble intento del gran Maestro, de hacerte oír la melodía perfecta de Su Obra.

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Starting point is 00:00:21 When I was a a little, I heard of a missionary Brazilian, a parable that narrows about a
Starting point is 00:00:30 church a that he had been a bandada of gansos domesticated. So, all the
Starting point is 00:00:38 days, they'd comeinand and they'd to talk about the maravisia
Starting point is 00:00:43 that was to be able to be able not. No, we need we need on the
Starting point is 00:00:48 and we'd and we'd get us in this place, exortable the ganso predicator. We can
Starting point is 00:00:53 get us in the air, volar to see the regions distant, asia climate
Starting point is 00:00:58 more benign, we can't do you, and then then after the sermon every time, the gansos
Starting point is 00:01:05 graznavang amen! And then then they were to the door and came down to the
Starting point is 00:01:11 house to go to get to to be all. All what
Starting point is 00:01:15 what had needed was to agiters. And that idea is something that has pursued
Starting point is 00:01:21 during years and that during this pandemic, God us gave a good time to reflect
Starting point is 00:01:30 about this. I think we're going we're in the umbral to ask what is what is what
Starting point is 00:01:37 not we can make us in the church that God had in the
Starting point is 00:01:43 because I've this series of messages there for March of the year past, I've been
Starting point is 00:01:50 the heart of the same, I've been the most honest, sincere, possible, and you have talked about about the church in the that I was formed
Starting point is 00:01:59 from my minies and during a grand part of my adolescence. For that is that I'm a legalist
Starting point is 00:02:08 in recuperation. We're in that then we'd be we to us as we're just as a little group minority in a world full of dangers.
Starting point is 00:02:20 And any little traspie could be able to the security and the salvation and to get us to the yams of the infirm. And a semifance of
Starting point is 00:02:31 the paredes of a fortaleza, of a fort, the church not was to the protection against the world terrible
Starting point is 00:02:38 of the and also I remember that I've told here in various occasions the sentiment of satisfaction that we proportioned,
Starting point is 00:02:47 pertain to a minority persegied. It was gratificante to live in the world without pertaincer to live. We'd say, we'd
Starting point is 00:02:59 not the world be my home. You can't? No, the world be my home.
Starting point is 00:03:06 Then I'd say something in glory I've got my mansion. No can't the world
Starting point is 00:03:13 be my and we're my and we know with a with a with a with a
Starting point is 00:03:17 little with a lot of but not we're not we're like the gansos
Starting point is 00:03:21 of my story. Simply we we're we're going to we're going to
Starting point is 00:03:27 because the world definitely not our place. And the church representable the boat
Starting point is 00:03:41 salavidas, and the world. not we not not a television. Of
Starting point is 00:03:45 actually, I participated of acts prophetic to get to get a carol the
Starting point is 00:03:50 diablo, as the thing to the real, it was a peccado to do
Starting point is 00:03:55 or football, a mortal, go to the city, to learn
Starting point is 00:04:00 the period, the periodical because in the diary was
Starting point is 00:04:05 included the horoscope and and the temptation to
Starting point is 00:04:07 learn it was a the church had erigied this pared of regals external to protect us from the world pecaminos that was around us, that was out of
Starting point is 00:04:21 but as I always, a religion fundamentaled in the external easily, is it deseched, it's decartes, so when I'm to grow up, I'm going to recastor the ambient legalist of my infancy because it was a matter of a
Starting point is 00:04:40 environment controlled or of a sort of subculture. So, one and other I was to ask,
Starting point is 00:04:48 for what to be a church? Resulted necessary for a Christian to be in a church?
Starting point is 00:04:57 That I think is relevant because it's the question that many have done during
Starting point is 00:05:03 the year 2020, the year that's not went to be a through the networks,
Starting point is 00:05:08 at the through the press on the phone of the question is, I don't see
Starting point is 00:05:13 if I'm to go back to get to my postores, not you didn't when they
Starting point is 00:05:18 was that I know, we've we've got to make the question if it
Starting point is 00:05:24 is necessary, if it's vital to be a church. I know many
Starting point is 00:05:28 many people have many my as I'm when I know when a
Starting point is 00:05:33 or they are life in some church in the past. Others
Starting point is 00:05:42 simply considerate that the church not they're that they're not in
Starting point is 00:05:47 their own that they're going to get to a congregation or because they've
Starting point is 00:05:52 been discriminated if they're not not quite they're not much
Starting point is 00:05:56 people don't against the church is an autocrity that I
Starting point is 00:06:00 am a much people do you express at through the
Starting point is 00:06:06 the to Jesus is one thing. To continue to other Christians within a temple to the dominoes
Starting point is 00:06:14 is like is something different. I'm myself I'm acquiring from, from
Starting point is 00:06:19 that was a way, as a certain a certain reflexionated against
Starting point is 00:06:27 whatever that olier to that was to this question, brutally
Starting point is 00:06:35 honestly honestly. How How would it the church, or how are the churches, if all the
Starting point is 00:06:43 members were exactly like I? How would my church if all the members were like
Starting point is 00:06:50 to be to be able? And there I made that the church if had a member
Starting point is 00:06:55 like I would be a disaster. I did it I'd sometimes or had
Starting point is 00:07:02 a certain adversion to the pastors of the pastors, because in the fund
Starting point is 00:07:06 I felt that they were like them so I'm so I'm so much I'm to concentrate in my
Starting point is 00:07:13 proper spirituality and not in the other the other and also after all who has
Starting point is 00:07:19 a man or father perfect or or his or a child or suhress perfect
Starting point is 00:07:27 that that is still is more complex and if we don't we the family
Starting point is 00:07:31 a cause of those imperfections then why to decart to the church.
Starting point is 00:07:36 So, once that I learned to see a me to see a question of that questions
Starting point is 00:07:43 like what is a name of the church, they had a lot more importance than what I
Starting point is 00:07:48 thought. At the this, not I did know I did count now, but I
Starting point is 00:07:52 know, for providence divina and unfortunately, this of this to think that
Starting point is 00:07:58 had to be to be to me to before. But I had learned to go to
Starting point is 00:08:02 to the church, four things that are essential. Looker to see up, mirro to me around, look at my outside, and
Starting point is 00:08:13 look to the endro. And this new way to see me helped to tolerate to the church,
Starting point is 00:08:22 to help to tolerate to let me to learn to them to to get to the church.
Starting point is 00:08:29 I said, no, is that the church that the pastor no dispensed confidence,
Starting point is 00:08:34 is full of people imperfect. And one day I changed my vision. One way that one adquired this vision of the church, there is when we can do a part to that it's a part that it's a place of the that God had in mind.
Starting point is 00:08:49 So, in first place, I learned to look to up. I used to come to the church with a spirit of consumer that discriminator, of critic of cinema, like much. But I'm talking
Starting point is 00:09:02 to me. I go to the church and if I didn't want to look at the cult, I'd look at where it was that you devolvian the offrenda. It was like, give me in something that I'd want to be, so I'd say, Malabaza was good.
Starting point is 00:09:17 I like, I like, I'm just, I'm like, how you've seen the musicians. What I don't me liked is that gourdita that disaffined. The other flaskita it seems that he canted more. The church, I'd should be the opposite to the theater or a function. In the
Starting point is 00:09:31 church, God is the people are the spectator of our adoration. For that we
Starting point is 00:09:36 say service to God, not to the people. So, in the place, the
Starting point is 00:09:43 role of a minister, a predicator, we should work as something like a
Starting point is 00:09:50 point-a- that is that that is that adjudant discretto that
Starting point is 00:09:53 that's that sit with the scene to the letter,
Starting point is 00:09:56 shusr I said a here, I said a little, that if in a party of football it's
Starting point is 00:10:01 about the arbitrae, it's because it's a pensive, the arbitrages, the arbitroup should be
Starting point is 00:10:07 invisible to show, when it's being a little bit of the arbitro, it's because is because is being
Starting point is 00:10:13 the light that are puttas on the people, the same I think in a
Starting point is 00:10:19 theater with the point. One has to have to find that there's
Starting point is 00:10:23 helping to the actors for if so they're to be the ministers, because the things more important
Starting point is 00:10:30 are the things that are the people are the members of the congregation. And not between the actors that are
Starting point is 00:10:38 on the scenario. So, we're we're asking us of the temple, what he
Starting point is 00:10:46 aggrado to what was what was what was what was what I'm asking us what's
Starting point is 00:10:51 what I goted? Because you see we we've been been deced I'm so bendecid
Starting point is 00:10:56 no, we've to bless, to ador. We'd be able to the church about the God of Elia's
Starting point is 00:11:03 not of the Elia's of God. When one comes out of the church, about the Elia of God,
Starting point is 00:11:10 you know, that's the year of the siervo, you know, when the moment that was to go to the
Starting point is 00:11:15 people, oh, when me got to me, when me he took, when one when one's when one's
Starting point is 00:11:18 when one's when one's when we're when we're when we're when we're we're going to get
Starting point is 00:11:26 to say talking about the God of Eliaz. For so now when I go to unilenele of that, I'm trying to look at least of my life in the services of adoration, because I want to direct me more than the stage of the platform. I want to look at God's myself. So in first place, the church
Starting point is 00:11:46 exists not for bring us entertainment or to lent to the oprimedos or to the deprimed, that sounds better, or to sanar our esteem, or to make a monstead, to put us to nobios, but to adorahs, if you fall in that, in that, a priori, the
Starting point is 00:12:03 church has fracased. And if, if ever met, I'm in doubt, I'll to read the Antigua Testament, that he dedic to almost much space to the specifications concerning to the adoration in the tabernacle,
Starting point is 00:12:15 as the New Testament, he dedic to the life of Christ, the life in Christ, and the life of Christ. So if one the Bible in in its totally,
Starting point is 00:12:24 clearly the the book it's a emphasis in those things that they are in definitive the
Starting point is 00:12:31 adoration. What is ador? Is to record who is the duke of the
Starting point is 00:12:37 house? For that's a fallacy to say this this end of this the end of
Starting point is 00:12:44 the Spirit Santa. We've heard you know? How? How? No,
Starting point is 00:12:48 we visited the we're going for a visitation. It's a philacia. Because that's the church is our house, and the sir is the intruso that we visit at tant, in a lot of saying, at the reverse. He abit in his church, not the visit. The worst that we can say, the Lord, no, and when you visit, who does it? Who is
Starting point is 00:13:11 Who is it? Even when it's sounds like the song, to say, welcome to this the place, Spirito Santo. It's like to say, you give a good-in-vene to our house. No, in the house of God, where we're going to ador. We're not, we're the welcome-in-lawed to ador-a-the-seigneur. So in the church, I can't look to the platform, as
Starting point is 00:13:31 a spectator-mazz, or I can't look at up to God. And the same God, that's, that's made the job of specifying the details concerning to the sacrifices of animals, ante the Israelites, was the other than the other than you said, I don't need a boy of your stables or the cabras of your corral
Starting point is 00:13:50 because all animal of the bush is my and also the ganado of my colinas. So when they centred those Israelites in the aspects external of the adoration, had erred the blank. God was interested in a sacrifice that came from the heart. for that, I insist, I I learned that I don't have to go to the church as a critic of spectacles
Starting point is 00:14:16 to emit a juicist to what it's not much, not not was too, not was too, not in the back at the top of the pastor, no,
Starting point is 00:14:28 in the first place I go to the church to look to up, not to look to the next. Number two, that to me
Starting point is 00:14:35 me I'm do, in second In second place, I learned to look around. When I was more a kid, more young, that was a lot, I committed the error of busker intentionally
Starting point is 00:14:48 churches or congregations composed by people like me. So I procurable to find a congregation that had a level of education, a transfondo biblical, and
Starting point is 00:15:04 a preference music and liturgy a semehant to the my name or the that I liked. And, I was replying the
Starting point is 00:15:13 error of the church of my youths. The church of my youths
Starting point is 00:15:16 suffocable any intent of diversity. The church of my
Starting point is 00:15:22 adolescence not admitted to any person that was
Starting point is 00:15:24 different and was that was that people that
Starting point is 00:15:29 people in this church not in this church was remitia
Starting point is 00:15:35 against the bautists against the brothers, that for there had
Starting point is 00:15:39 a perspective different in in quite the don't know the spirit. So I have to learn, first,
Starting point is 00:15:45 first to disapprended all this bad, and then learn to look at me around, so I'm looking to
Starting point is 00:15:51 look back. I was in the church, I said, I had to the first place, and then I'm that I'm around.
Starting point is 00:15:59 Because God and he decidedly not to be to be able to me in nothing. With you
Starting point is 00:16:07 with what facility we'll forget about that the church was the first institution
Starting point is 00:16:12 in the history of the world that he was in a level of the people,
Starting point is 00:16:18 men, men, and the people, and the Christians primitiv rompier
Starting point is 00:16:24 the barriers. And at difference of what what in other or with other religions,
Starting point is 00:16:30 the Christianism he does the welcome to the people
Starting point is 00:16:33 and women for I told you I told that the griegos exclude to the major part of the
Starting point is 00:16:40 agrupations social in that the Christians those were they were in the temples
Starting point is 00:16:45 judoes was separated the adorators and for gender and the Christianism
Starting point is 00:16:50 was reune in tors in the world in contrast with the aristocracy
Starting point is 00:16:55 romana constituted majorly by the church Christian that the
Starting point is 00:17:00 women and the poor assume a place of leadership And the Apostle, Paul, that was considered a
Starting point is 00:17:07 Hebrew of Hebrews, was very eloquent when this is a mystery that from the time eternal, he kept occult in God. The intention of God, said, Paul, in Ephesios 3, 9, Ephesio, chapter 3, verse 9, he said, the sabiduria of God. In all its diversity, is to know now,
Starting point is 00:17:31 for me of the church, to the powers and authorities in the regions celestial. So, so the church is the only place
Starting point is 00:17:38 in which are not only different genres, different strato social, but different generations. In your church, like in the
Starting point is 00:17:47 church, like in the little, that are in the first inbraces for their moms,
Starting point is 00:17:53 children who are that are in moments in adequate, some adult,
Starting point is 00:17:58 who at the most know who are to be not quite, if the pastor is tending
Starting point is 00:18:03 too. So, I like when a congregation is a person that not the people,
Starting point is 00:18:09 I'm like I really. When in a church, when in a church, when they're
Starting point is 00:18:18 they're doing in the same way, that God, the Lorde, the Lorde, the God, and the the indisurvidity of the trinidad, glory of the
Starting point is 00:18:26 Lord, Lord, Lordeatio's the Lord. I me preoccupies. When we move us uniformes, because that's unidavit, that's uniformity when not so it's when we celebrate the diversity. So I learned
Starting point is 00:18:40 that when I look a church, not only I have to look to up, in the way to look to look at the costaos, and celebrate that there are people different, with different cortes of
Starting point is 00:18:53 with a lot of different style to vestibes, different emotions, different manners of ador, to allure, I love that. Different strato social, cultural. And in third,
Starting point is 00:19:08 I learned to look to look out because the church is the only society cooperative of the world that exists for the
Starting point is 00:19:16 benefit of those who are those who are those members. We don't don't know of that.
Starting point is 00:19:22 The church is the only institution that has benefit for those who are the members. If you're doing member or you affiliates to or you're affiliated, the benefit, and the benefits are for the who is affiliated. The church is the only institution that the benefits are for those that not be affiliated, for those of the outside.
Starting point is 00:19:42 When it serves actively to others, it's a much less in servicing to one And that's the And that's to change the mind. Here,
Starting point is 00:19:52 in River, for example, we've we've one of the major benefits of the
Starting point is 00:19:57 is the effect that we produce to the we're the major
Starting point is 00:20:02 benefit of us for we're the effect that produces
Starting point is 00:20:06 in the dollars. Our necessity to give to
Starting point is 00:20:13 the necessity that the people we receive ,
Starting point is 00:20:16 we we We need we need to give. When, since the pandemic, me you've heard of the churchast, that I said, for favor,
Starting point is 00:20:27 be afraid in the diom, look, that they're retacying the sofferns, not so long. Don't forgets the pastor of the church. When? No,
Starting point is 00:20:36 because our church never never, because the benefit is for those that they've done, we've discovered. One of the And a bit of this I've seen that someone described the
Starting point is 00:20:47 nature of the church with a metaphor a little vulgar, but that me me seems marvellousa, he said, The church is like the styrcol. If the styrcol, it's all apesta all the vicinity. You know, that there's nothing better than a carmion full of styrcol.
Starting point is 00:21:07 But if it's it sparram, enrikees and abona the earth. So when I'm going to look of a church, I'm trying to procure a that's
Starting point is 00:21:19 that's to be a way to be to be around because if we're in we're in the temple
Starting point is 00:21:26 we're upestam we're people. There's people that's with problems, and people that's up
Starting point is 00:21:32 problems. The way is to get diversification to, abonar the earth.
Starting point is 00:21:41 I'm completely convinced that as far out of out of the factor determinant in the
Starting point is 00:21:47 exit or the fracassos of a church? There's much people who what is that there is
Starting point is 00:21:54 there's a United? How do you are there in the United? Who are have taken to pay the
Starting point is 00:22:00 government or that have had been to their employees? What was the secret? Because not
Starting point is 00:22:06 for my large hours of oration, for my busked eternal in the mountains, that we're
Starting point is 00:22:12 on the people, The secret was that we that we're going to that we're going to do from the first day resulta in a first
Starting point is 00:22:23 intent, in a first intent of to say, perhaps one says, that's the impression that will be able to sender, send to be a
Starting point is 00:22:32 energy, gasts much resources, we've discovered in serious, in River, that is the contrary,
Starting point is 00:22:40 just the opposite, in what that it seems a parodos of the faith, that's the love regress a
Starting point is 00:22:49 enriqueceded and never more poor. If God will give two cests jenas, it's because
Starting point is 00:22:56 you have to start to reparting the granaries, the food, the love, the administration,
Starting point is 00:23:03 the money, the resources, all. For that for us, for us, the year
Starting point is 00:23:08 the year of the entire cosecha, story, of manner countable, of resources, of the
Starting point is 00:23:16 , of, uh, of ourros, to be aught, more we're doing, more we're
Starting point is 00:23:25 so we're to look at the church, to get to the way, in the
Starting point is 00:23:29 way, in the way to around, and to prove that we don't
Starting point is 00:23:34 and then to be to out of and not to not pester
Starting point is 00:23:37 to the amount and and in fourth to the place,
Starting point is 00:23:42 I learned to look to look at the world. No, there nothing that I can do to make more or me am less.
Starting point is 00:23:51 We've been a lot of times. I think that if our churches would be able to transmit
Starting point is 00:23:55 the grace to a a world competitive that that just that classific a world
Starting point is 00:24:05 a general to be a question, I think we're going to we're in places. For that,
Starting point is 00:24:12 when I see, I'm going into, and in first place, I I'm going to to give to the vener of the
Starting point is 00:24:19 vener of the rivalities, of the critics, and that me jenny to in the other than say, to
Starting point is 00:24:25 say the pastor, a bit of a little a false prophet, I, I'm,
Starting point is 00:24:28 I'm enfocco in miral for the right. For that I always I always try to
Starting point is 00:24:37 to elective churches that are to live in a state of grace. I remember
Starting point is 00:24:42 the first months in the Gavell, we we're giving us to Christ there for the year
Starting point is 00:24:47 1997 and you're that this has a lot of this that my father, as I'm
Starting point is 00:24:54 impacted by the sanity of my mom brinded his garage he his renog Gordini
Starting point is 00:25:01 to the vered and he did in the garage a place for the
Starting point is 00:25:04 service I was I'm I'm much when I did the times every so many
Starting point is 00:25:10 so many so many we're on the Monday Wednesdays Thursdays And as the cartel not
Starting point is 00:25:16 to put up to put on the morning, and Friday, Wednesday, Saturday, we put us Christ, Salva,
Starting point is 00:25:21 San and Liberty all the day, less the lunas. No, no, no, there'd be
Starting point is 00:25:27 there like a meme of internet. No, there'd be internet still. Well, and in those first
Starting point is 00:25:33 passes, we'd very in clear, that the message was for all. And that
Starting point is 00:25:38 had to try to the bestosos the pastor Brazilian he said to my papa, our first
Starting point is 00:25:43 pastor is named Darcy Antun and Dissuzza. He said, my father, you have to take your his bestine, that's the word of
Starting point is 00:25:49 deus, trae the word of that's got to God, God, do you batuka. And I remember in particular
Starting point is 00:25:57 to Vicente, a man that always was always not was bad of the head, I mean,
Starting point is 00:26:03 he had a little, I was a and he had a water to the tank, I was there,
Starting point is 00:26:10 I remember that, I don't know if it was a borrachier or other problem, but
Starting point is 00:26:14 not never never I think that all the churches have had been to have been to be a bit of
Starting point is 00:26:19 a bit of a few the caries on the then more a little was much a mannighable
Starting point is 00:26:27 the type if had been ingeried a carton the famous in the
Starting point is 00:26:32 Argentine is the tetra the tetrabrik that is a wine that's
Starting point is 00:26:37 kind of kind of ordinary but that he emborach for complete
Starting point is 00:26:41 only when he came So, so the church was in a place to be a lot more
Starting point is 00:26:46 emotional than a customing. Vicente could get to get to get to back on the
Starting point is 00:26:53 back to get to get around the people, could get back his hands in alt, during a
Starting point is 00:26:59 moment, and realize gestures obscenos or expect a silence to give
Starting point is 00:27:04 the Virgin and the new Jesus Carach or or grittable. Or
Starting point is 00:27:10 grittable. No, I don't say what I but he'd say, but he'd be a lot of things that were quite heavy for the moment. For there, he was up and he wasulted
Starting point is 00:27:19 the devil, for example. Or could get to be darned, to get us to beckers to be the bank, including the Germans that were satas with him. Yeah, Vicente, they'd have been etchated to two churches. The third was, the
Starting point is 00:27:34 one of our, but it was our burrachito. My papa, he was brasable to, he never said, Don Vicente, this is his house, is? Is it's a little bit. I mean, I'm going, God. God me, yeah, you'd say.
Starting point is 00:27:48 He was going to be to dream, the mona, and the other day would have gone. Well, we'd have the experience that some day, God, maybe, he'd be to talk. And some members of the congregation were to offer them to offer them a rope. Other were invited to
Starting point is 00:28:02 dinner. Much of times, he passed a Navidda with some family of the church. After a couple of years, Vicente, alardeing of his talent musical,
Starting point is 00:28:14 he said, I used to uners in a group of music. And I wanted to talk now in the group for God. Well, it was also that
Starting point is 00:28:23 no ability musical. But then he took a problem, how do you say, not? So the leader
Starting point is 00:28:28 of Alavansa got an accord with him. Vicente was able to get to get intolux
Starting point is 00:28:33 with the guitar electric desenchufed. So, so, after that, Vicente, was in
Starting point is 00:28:41 middle of He took the guitar, what, thanks a God, no produce any sound, and contraught, and the history of Vicente has a final happy. He was sosegating,
Starting point is 00:28:51 so civilized a bit of a lot of the church when I felt that the locura had and even he was a
Starting point is 00:29:00 biuda vitality of the church. The grace to get to people who not they're to people who are
Starting point is 00:29:07 to be Vicente he went to represent to the grace because I you're sure that in
Starting point is 00:29:15 his life nobody had invested all that energy and preoccupation in him no
Starting point is 00:29:22 had family no had a job no had stability the the church was
Starting point is 00:29:27 for him in the only place in the church our church had
Starting point is 00:29:34 accepted after all the thing was the thing had got a a rechazzo in all the
Starting point is 00:29:39 but our church not said for vencida with Vicente he gave a second opportunity and a third and a quarter
Starting point is 00:29:46 and a quinta and we've we've used culted during that year all the day and no I remember one
Starting point is 00:29:52 that has been sobri Vicente but we'll come back and papa he said no,
Starting point is 00:29:56 he'll be to be here and the Virgin and I said never never never
Starting point is 00:30:02 never the liturge in what the liturgy the those to trespass to Vincent. And that obstinated grace grabbed in me, a
Starting point is 00:30:14 quadro indelible that I conserve until today, of all what God has to support to, at elegy to love to people like I and as you. For so now, I procure to find churches that have that type of
Starting point is 00:30:30 grace. And that's what we've been in these years of being in River. Now, I'm dolorously conscient, that this class of the church
Starting point is 00:30:40 that I have described, the church ideal that a lot of we're a exception,
Starting point is 00:30:47 not the regla. Many churches are more entertainment than adoration. More
Starting point is 00:30:56 uniformity than diversity. More exclusivism than programs of extension. More law than
Starting point is 00:31:05 grace. but I I'm I'm I'm to remember to me my name
Starting point is 00:31:10 in the words of Jesus to the people, not me. I'm
Starting point is 00:31:15 those I'm chose to you to see the the church
Starting point is 00:31:20 was the was the risk that was the thing his
Starting point is 00:31:24 up your put to say but I've yet to
Starting point is 00:31:28 see in that imperfect humanity of a thing a
Starting point is 00:31:32 sign of the hope. God he conceded to the race
Starting point is 00:31:35 human a major of the honor to make in the water, we're in baso of
Starting point is 00:31:42 barro. So the body of Christ constitutes the new identity that rompe
Starting point is 00:31:48 the barriers of race of national ity, of gender, and it makes possible this
Starting point is 00:31:53 community that no exist in no other other other of
Starting point is 00:31:56 the planet. I just just with the first parraful, of any of the
Starting point is 00:32:02 cards of Pablo, diriged to the different congregations that were exparceded by all the empire romano, those are the
Starting point is 00:32:09 cards, they're saying, we're saying, we're saying, we're doing, and that's more than the race, the
Starting point is 00:32:16 status economic, than any other category that humanely can't be made, my identity in Christ,
Starting point is 00:32:23 is more important than my identity as an identity, or as a person, or as a man, or as a
Starting point is 00:32:29 man, or as a span, The church is the place that I celebrate this new identity and the work in the middle of people that present
Starting point is 00:32:37 many that presents much different things with respect to me. we're not sure. We're not used to live this society, the the church needs to convert into the granaries in the
Starting point is 00:33:03 world. More than the political constructsue new carceles, the church has to get to get to the
Starting point is 00:33:12 barrios marginales for from the race of the family to diminish the criminal
Starting point is 00:33:17 the while the socialologists debate a new form of stigmatized to the
Starting point is 00:33:25 mothers that engendran children out of the church should to help
Starting point is 00:33:29 to those women to to be to evitated the way
Starting point is 00:33:33 apparently more more more more more is the abort.
Starting point is 00:33:38 In that expert in those constructs constructs luxus condomions
Starting point is 00:33:42 barriots the church should honor to the people
Starting point is 00:33:46 that live in casas of laton of poverty
Starting point is 00:33:49 so so so at the great of God
Starting point is 00:33:53 for we we have to pass to others
Starting point is 00:33:56 gratuit without The church has to envied a new signal radically different to the world, the way that implices a possibility prometeader. For that reason, the church is, it's worth.
Starting point is 00:34:14 To your question, my question, is it, it worth the church? I have to congregate when they're in the temples? Yes. But convenamos that an church that a lot recchaes to the poor, to those Vicentes,
Starting point is 00:34:30 to God, to those impregeable, is to attract people that can perturbate the cults of adoration and all they like that, all they like. There is a wonderful book titled, How Can't You Can't, Help, of Paul Gorman, that relata what he feels, the author, when he's encounter with chiquitos,
Starting point is 00:34:56 with littles that have the head calva, and he says, there are I perceive that the children with cancer have much
Starting point is 00:35:07 fear and probably probably if are still everybody to their people, his papis,
Starting point is 00:35:14 his brothers, have the heart and said this author, I have an idea. The idea
Starting point is 00:35:20 to come for those hospitals and and also to go for those children
Starting point is 00:35:24 and my I'm always with palomitas of mais,
Starting point is 00:35:27 also pop-cour or pochococ in Argentina. And he says, when a chiquito yore,
Starting point is 00:35:35 because it's approximately a next chemotherapy, I took his lachrimas with a
Starting point is 00:35:41 palomita of maize and then I'm in my book or in the other, says the author.
Starting point is 00:35:47 For what? Well, to sitern us and us and comerns the last
Starting point is 00:35:52 the one's to the others. We come the we're we're the
Starting point is 00:35:57 the church is lisa and yannamently to see the suffering of other and this implicates the lambs of the other person.
Starting point is 00:36:12 Acasto exists in another other other little book that I'm reading this time a beautiful.
Starting point is 00:36:20 It's called The Sanador Erididate for where it's a bookt that are very very known
Starting point is 00:36:26 not some are beseeler you know you're to you're because they're are editions
Starting point is 00:36:30 are not But the sanator-er-ed-dictive the life of the persons abandoned and solitary that no have who has them. And this author also, too, tells about a young pastor
Starting point is 00:36:41 that no had nothing to offer to a oldecese, that had to confront a surgery, except his preoccupation amorous, the only one of the only that he offered to the pastor. And says the author,
Starting point is 00:36:52 "'Nungunner, "'any can't "'permane can't "'permane' "'a person who goes to "'a person who goes to "'a. regress, no
Starting point is 00:37:03 survive. Passing the life. Any other that regress to a long, he goes to
Starting point is 00:37:10 find a person and in the station or in the airport. Because everyone
Starting point is 00:37:15 want to talk their stories, to some moments of infortunio of
Starting point is 00:37:19 the and someone that's that's getting to the time.
Starting point is 00:37:24 So, a sometimes the only significado that those we are
Starting point is 00:37:28 in the church we can give to the people, is the
Starting point is 00:37:32 security of that your sentiments, those sufferings, that apparently don't have any of them, if they're for us, if they're
Starting point is 00:37:39 for us. Accompanial. I think the church was in accompany. We're going to do the thing to do.
Starting point is 00:37:49 Foye's in abraceal to and accompany us. But we said, because we did you
Starting point is 00:37:55 join, we don't know the man solter, but why? You said, we're doing the solter,
Starting point is 00:38:00 because we no, So, so we're going to So we're going to We're going to be used. No accompanies Even when, for a moment,
Starting point is 00:38:09 all comers, the lachrymas, us can't be unutil, even that has your recompense. I think in an man with
Starting point is 00:38:18 the infirm for example, or with a dementia senil. His wife has tried to suplier his necessities,
Starting point is 00:38:27 but every day, his papa he rompe the question, asking who are the
Starting point is 00:38:34 own to the she's a her own and she see the cascaron that's
Starting point is 00:38:39 that one that's the one I've lived with my mom I think on a
Starting point is 00:38:47 a young of a very discapacacit with a coacient
Starting point is 00:38:50 with a patient in a life will be in a long life and
Starting point is 00:38:57 but on a compaal without any no unabilited to
Starting point is 00:39:01 to talk to understand to know who are their fathers. So, we can't find some sense to the situation
Starting point is 00:39:09 of that adult, senil, or of that child discapacitado? There is when we're going to, and what purpose would have
Starting point is 00:39:16 to be your lachrimers, comer us your l'greens, you know, what is? The proposition is the change
Starting point is 00:39:23 that is the problem that because, neither the young, the child, or the child,
Starting point is 00:39:29 or the child discapacited is, capable that they're to change. but the majority of the people that
Starting point is 00:39:35 learned to that the church is to look at the other and they're more tolerant we're more
Starting point is 00:39:42 we're more we're going to this phrase that I'm a phrase that I know when I came to
Starting point is 00:39:49 this year years ago many people people are and I what I'm what I'm what they're
Starting point is 00:39:56 what they're what they're to do? Because the government me does the syndicato me do
Starting point is 00:40:00 the security me do and and here can't what I with this. When one is congregate or
Starting point is 00:40:06 go to the church and I'm not I'm not we've got to what you mean the when one
Starting point is 00:40:15 when one to look at the other the own the own those own those are not important
Starting point is 00:40:19 so tendem to focus the attention in those that are the objective of the ministry,
Starting point is 00:40:26 the the souls that we get us we're the poores we're we're
Starting point is 00:40:30 the people who can't come the people who don't we're
Starting point is 00:40:35 But when we're the New Testament, we'll notice that Jesus was very interested in the effect that the ministry had over the proper people that realized the ministry. When the 72 disciples
Starting point is 00:40:49 went with informers allentators of great results, Jesus celebrated for a moment and then he said, don't be able to that the spirits be sometam.
Starting point is 00:41:00 Alagreensh of that their names are written in the book of the life. So, evidently, what was the core of the disciples was for Jesus
Starting point is 00:41:09 as important as what they had realized externally. What I want to say that the comerce the lachrimas benefits that he voluntarily
Starting point is 00:41:20 does receive the same than the that has vertied first. I've experimented by me myself
Starting point is 00:41:28 the soundable effect that has the Lachrimas and when I saw I'm
Starting point is 00:41:36 on Rion Graneros or when I'm you know you know you know I'm you're
Starting point is 00:41:41 I'm a little I'm I'm first I'm first I don't see if
Starting point is 00:41:49 in a same orgulio because if is an not so but
Starting point is 00:41:55 it's all me infls the people when I'm the bans to get to the
Starting point is 00:41:59 river to get to nobody because that is our and congregation of Hispanics, there we're going to be, and then
Starting point is 00:42:06 then people who are the people who are not even who are, I don't know who are they, first time that we're trying to be a time, and know that I can't be bless me me has a good. To the people that in River, he does it.
Starting point is 00:42:22 For that's sierra here, no askase. For that we're every more siennbras and deems and offrendas of all the world. people who I seembrough in river because you look at
Starting point is 00:42:33 that people are so different so can't be able to so I'm that I'm in the church in the garage
Starting point is 00:42:43 of my house with Vincente doing his lios is very to make
Starting point is 00:42:49 to the church because Pablo he was he said much the church
Starting point is 00:42:53 because there too there too there too there were that there was that there were
Starting point is 00:42:57 there many of Corinto and they're with clarit for who were the
Starting point is 00:43:05 congregation. There were merceder Jews, there were chitans, griegos prostitutas
Starting point is 00:43:11 pagans, and other book of the New Testament muster oscillations so important
Starting point is 00:43:18 in the tone. So, Pablo battallow against the cismas into the
Starting point is 00:43:24 church against the against aarenged about a case of incest luched for
Starting point is 00:43:30 to avoid that the Sena of the sir to become in a place of a place of the church of
Starting point is 00:43:36 the church the church long as the church or that your church is that river or that's that's been a
Starting point is 00:43:55 little bit of the new testament. It's presumed that It should be the first book of the New Testament. And the first capitals are the Apostle, leading basically with this question, with the which we'll start
Starting point is 00:44:05 the message of today. Exactly what is that thing to call us the church? Pablo, he's the first card of Corinti, what is the church?
Starting point is 00:44:16 Or in other words, what was God in mind? When he thought in the church. So the card of Paul, to the Corinthiansians, let's
Starting point is 00:44:26 to translucing the way that he intends to find the words adequate. Like, how we're various metaphors
Starting point is 00:44:31 vized, you know, how we're the scorer or the when we're doing the example,
Starting point is 00:44:37 to be what the church. You're in a church, you're the camp of the campo of God.
Starting point is 00:44:43 It's the first, the first card of the corinthos. No, no, no, more than you are you guys are the building of God.
Starting point is 00:45:00 I chere the cements and other put a next hila of laddillos. And what is better, you're a
Starting point is 00:45:07 temple, a building a building to be a different. If you, think about this, says,
Starting point is 00:45:13 Paul. God, live in you, that constitute your edificio sacred.
Starting point is 00:45:19 So, when you read, Paul, a, you know, a, a camp,
Starting point is 00:45:21 a, a church, a temple, said, you're this, macho. is what I think
Starting point is 00:45:27 when I read the succession of metaphors that makes, and the type continues with with the same style, after the
Starting point is 00:45:35 final after the chapter 12, the chapter 12 of 1st, the chapter 12 of 1st, and uses a metaphor that
Starting point is 00:45:47 says, no, I know, the church, the church is like the church, the world change of tone and like elevs
Starting point is 00:45:56 the style you know, they're the characteristics of a, no, see, of a
Starting point is 00:46:00 correspondence personal, and it's a prosa magnifica that finally we're we're in
Starting point is 00:46:07 the chapter 13. I think what we have we have been in First of
Starting point is 00:46:13 Corintius is an informe of Paul while and he thinks in voice
Starting point is 00:46:17 and you try to find the form more precise to
Starting point is 00:46:21 discover this things that's the thing that's a church. So,
Starting point is 00:46:26 every new metaphor a row a lot different about the thing
Starting point is 00:46:29 and this other other referred to the question is
Starting point is 00:46:33 the description most exact of all that Paul
Starting point is 00:46:38 uses a particular to explore certain and and
Starting point is 00:46:43 then all his other other other other and
Starting point is 00:46:45 again a two of the whole of the
Starting point is 00:46:49 temple of the the world, this is the most of the world. And, and so,
Starting point is 00:46:55 and so the years that's the years that since I'm not all those metaphors, his images,
Starting point is 00:47:04 not transmit, much today. So, I'm going to put to so. A
Starting point is 00:47:08 past of that the fact that that's not change, our perspective is changed,
Starting point is 00:47:15 our paradigm is changed, we've changed, we did it Modific it and much. For example, we're going to consider
Starting point is 00:47:20 the illustrations of a granite. Of course, the Corinthiansians understand what was a granite. Because the grange in the vineyards
Starting point is 00:47:28 were in the city of Corinto. And, they'd they'd their products to the granjurers,
Starting point is 00:47:33 to the fairias local, not they went to to get to the mall, to shopping.
Starting point is 00:47:37 Today, in the city is modern, you have to have to find a granderer respectable and
Starting point is 00:47:42 the food and the food is you supermarket. As a little bit of a little that had created
Starting point is 00:47:49 a department, Che, I went to the camp and I'm going to a poeo live, I said. In serious, I saw,
Starting point is 00:47:54 I've seen a little bit more he's been being seen congelated and a bottle in a bottle.
Starting point is 00:48:01 So for the human, the metaphor of the the fink of the campo
Starting point is 00:48:06 like per die the immediateess. And the metaphor of the one could
Starting point is 00:48:16 to buy a car of laddillos to work a fundament process that no require more ability than could cover a
Starting point is 00:48:23 sanja and maintain a line right. Today, for construction, they need, permissos to build,
Starting point is 00:48:29 perforators pneumatic, pales mechanica, montaccarga, barillas of the iron,
Starting point is 00:48:34 contrats that prepare in the concrete, contractistas general that supervise the work,
Starting point is 00:48:38 and, and, and, that's through the syndicato. So,
Starting point is 00:48:41 in some point of this complexidad, also the force of this metaphor is dilute. So, so without that nobody
Starting point is 00:48:49 is offended, without the theologues me want to I'm going to use a metaphor more contemporary of the
Starting point is 00:48:55 church. Humilde, I don't want to add to say, what he said Paul. But a
Starting point is 00:49:00 metaphor more contemporary a in the Caterral of Crystal, the disappeared
Starting point is 00:49:06 Cathedral of Crystal, that I didn't, because never was my, was the
Starting point is 00:49:10 thing, it was the thing, it that was in the quarter central of a denomination and without commission
Starting point is 00:49:21 directive and without a church there was like a sub-iglesia there was a sub-iglesia there was a sub-iglesia was it was it was called for the
Starting point is 00:49:31 name of alcoholics anonymous I was the most that I've been that I've been years of pre-gliner Christian was it
Starting point is 00:49:42 was the most that I saw in comparison with the church primitive. You entervas and I'd sat down in circle to a political known to
Starting point is 00:49:53 various millionaries, people of much money, me consta, that were mixed around between marginales, disemployed, indocumentated, citizens, some of churin-as in his
Starting point is 00:50:06 brasos. The presentations were of the type, as we've been in the film, hello, my name is Juan, I'm an alcoholic and drug addict, and then all of voice
Starting point is 00:50:16 Salta, they have to say with calide's, hello, Juan. And the members of the group
Starting point is 00:50:22 did not the fact that they were more than the fact that. Because when you're alcoholics
Starting point is 00:50:30 an anonymous, no reason for not be not being because to pertaince that community
Starting point is 00:50:35 you have to understand that's in the same boat. Not is the rich the rich
Starting point is 00:50:40 are and the poor and the people we're going sitting by
Starting point is 00:50:42 this is more more we're to do more not not in circle.
Starting point is 00:50:51 Alcoholics Anemone no possess properties, no has a officeinian central, no has a center of
Starting point is 00:50:59 press, no has a group because the fundators original were included
Starting point is 00:51:04 clauses for impede any intent of that alchol Anonymous is unoborocratic.
Starting point is 00:51:12 They understand that this program only can function if it's a
Starting point is 00:51:15 level basic, intimim, that consists in a single thing. An alcoholic that is a other alcoholic.
Starting point is 00:51:27 That's the secret. For that it's a time for many years. An alcoholic that dedic to
Starting point is 00:51:34 his life to help to another alcoholic. And much of those who were to see a few of
Starting point is 00:51:40 times, the Marches for the night, they were to assist to the service
Starting point is 00:51:44 the domingos for the morning. Because they said that the most part of the people that the morning
Starting point is 00:51:51 were in a air of superiority. One of them said one of them said, no, I don't perceive that
Starting point is 00:51:59 they're not not much. I'm going to do you know, and their lives are so in order and an
Starting point is 00:52:05 alcoholic that goes to the church is a little and even even is discriminated for that
Starting point is 00:52:09 people. Me one of them one of you one of I, I went to do
Starting point is 00:52:14 of the way that I olia, because I still, I'd blow alcohol, a cigarillo, it was better that I'd sit in the front or that regrecy another day, a baneed, and vestido as for the owner. For that the funder of Alcoholics Anonymous basso's a program in a declaration
Starting point is 00:52:30 basic. He said, in my moments of debility, I don't need a drink. What I need is another alcoholic. And the church should be a place where one could say, without a good question, in my moment of debility,
Starting point is 00:52:46 I don't need to peccar. What I need is another but if when we enter into the church, all we start, all we're going to find out of a peccor. If we're going to think about the alcoholics anonymous, look at what I'd say,
Starting point is 00:53:05 maybe we'd be responsible one's for others and we would be in the way. If I'm, I'm tempted to, help me, I know what is that, we're going to say to the end of, in bed to be to criticar.
Starting point is 00:53:18 So, the church has to be, I'm permit a metaphor. Not agregard nothing to what genuinely, said Paul, eh? The church has been what in our countries
Starting point is 00:53:28 is called the cell of guardia, emergencies. You know, that in the other than a visit with the medical of
Starting point is 00:53:35 an hospital and to be a hall aborrotated of people during one hour, we can't a emergency, the cell of
Starting point is 00:53:40 guardia, the other to not to nurture a end, no, not get in a job, we can't
Starting point is 00:53:46 an electrocardio because we can't not be able to be a church as one of those centers of emergencies have been 24 hours,
Starting point is 00:53:55 facile to find. With the disposition to attend the necessities of the people that gets looking solution, emergencies inesperated. And frankly, the Evangelion has very
Starting point is 00:54:06 little to offer to the people that can to give to admit their necessity. This is for those who know that are necessities. Because for those
Starting point is 00:54:14 who are who are sure of some of a minority, in this world so, too, so full of a lot.
Starting point is 00:54:21 I'm to think only in the people of my village, of my vicinity, and I've been
Starting point is 00:54:25 a catalogue entire of needs of human. A family devasted for the lastimient
Starting point is 00:54:31 of a chiquito with a child, a tachito cerebral. A woman that passed
Starting point is 00:54:39 for an mario young, complicated, and a divorce. To the other house,
Starting point is 00:54:45 a homosexual luching for avoiding for the promiscuity and what is
Starting point is 00:54:48 The worst, the stigmatization. All right. There's a guy who's a diagnosis of cancer terminal and another that has been used their employment. So all those
Starting point is 00:54:57 these necessities are what? A place of emergency? They're in a level critical. To where we can't get our raspones,
Starting point is 00:55:06 the maugulas and our great fractures and heredars and expuited? We're going to the church. The church
Starting point is 00:55:15 has to be that. Not a cumul of doctrines. And at read the epistola, the corinthos I know that contains, another of the ferventions, some of the words more intimately
Starting point is 00:55:28 and cenas of compassion that Pablo never said, I've never said, I've been the sensation that Paul Oro, and he's preoccuped more for that church than other congregations more stable that had had left around the
Starting point is 00:55:41 coasts of the Mediterranean. Corinto, me imagine, that was an church of a type of Salah of Guardia, did? And Paul, He said that they were
Starting point is 00:55:49 but he had a group of people pendentia that tried to impedeal. So I imagine that the church of Corinto
Starting point is 00:55:56 would have had been to function like a house of a and the person
Starting point is 00:56:01 that he found out of the person who got to this, but listen this.
Starting point is 00:56:07 In the first card of the Apostol on the Corintios he expresses
Starting point is 00:56:11 the the commotion and the enojo that he produced the attitude of a
Starting point is 00:56:15 man that was an 1st, Corinti, 1 says it's a case of immorality sexual that neither the
Starting point is 00:56:24 pagans is not even many people use this to say, the church has to be in sanctity,
Starting point is 00:56:30 but in a certain moment Paulo was to be to be to give to this
Starting point is 00:56:34 man, but this same man, according many many people,
Starting point is 00:56:38 many many, there's second of Corintios Capitulo 2
Starting point is 00:56:41 verse 5. Dice the Apostol, he basta to that person the
Starting point is 00:56:47 repension made for all the contrary, you're to pardoning and consoler it's a
Starting point is 00:56:54 for that you're not consumed of such a tristesse. Like the the church now was to pardoning
Starting point is 00:56:59 and give the good the redol. The treatment of emergency had resulted effective.
Starting point is 00:57:05 So, according the Apostol Paul, he said, but God
Starting point is 00:57:08 chose the incensato of the world to to be the
Starting point is 00:57:12 aboos and the world to be the in Corintius 2, 1, 27. So, the church of God,
Starting point is 00:57:21 in the most great and the quite small, as well, to exaltar the humiliation, and humiliate to the suburbies.
Starting point is 00:57:29 The institutions are fundamentally and they're and they're in the state, and they're in the army. A man,
Starting point is 00:57:36 a soldier, knows what is his place, and also know the other. The galones of an uniform
Starting point is 00:57:41 you can the rank. And in the world of the business, the title, of the salary, implicate status,
Starting point is 00:57:49 the meters quadled of your office, sub you know a sensor, an elevator in a grand edificio, and you will noter piece to the simple observation of the mobile area,
Starting point is 00:57:59 of the offices, that the status of the executives crees, jumpament with the altitude. In the business, the status
Starting point is 00:58:08 is derived of the actuation, but what happens in the families? The status functions in a manner different. How is
Starting point is 00:58:15 log status in a family? A a kid, a
Starting point is 00:58:20 little, a baby, an child, and the family, or not?
Starting point is 00:58:30 A little, a little not. Acha not is
Starting point is 00:58:33 not not not. I'm more a little a
Starting point is 00:58:38 little that produces very little that not doesn't
Starting point is 00:58:41 in the house because live a other they receive
Starting point is 00:58:44 more attention than his are some that is
Starting point is 00:58:47 a family of a way semifante in the family of God is directly, now there's Jewish, now there are Greek, no is clob
Starting point is 00:58:56 no free, no man, nor woman. So all those distinctions artificial are derretied under the sun of the
Starting point is 00:59:03 grace of God and a matter that God is doting children, you don't do you dost,
Starting point is 00:59:08 they're as creditors of the same the same meregisid that that the primogent
Starting point is 00:59:14 or the sameisimis Jesus Christ He says 1st, Corintius, 12-21. The eye, no put to say to the man, no, you need to. No, can't in the head, say to the feet, say to the feet, no, no, no, I needn't.
Starting point is 00:59:29 All contrary, the members of the body, that are more debilies, are indispensable. And, to be if we understand, or we understand what Pablo he said with a altitude. And the members of the a body that
Starting point is 00:59:43 we're less onroso, that we don't we're doing, we're
Starting point is 00:59:46 we're a honor special. And it has with a special modesty
Starting point is 00:59:52 to the members that we are more presentable and the most presentable
Starting point is 00:59:59 not don't that that's special. So, God has
Starting point is 01:00:03 disposed the members of our people giving more honor
Starting point is 01:00:07 to the men than the to be a fine to be a body,
Starting point is 01:00:13 but those members are not because of one of the members suffer, it's a good,
Starting point is 01:00:22 it's a Bible. If one of those members suffer, what what happens? The other are you to
Starting point is 01:00:28 matalal on the social social profita? Feltz profita. No, they're
Starting point is 01:00:32 they're they're in the suffering. If one receive honor, he,
Starting point is 01:00:37 how you're in Yanquilandia yeah, that's you're that or the other
Starting point is 01:00:42 are the other and the other are the say this is like this is probably to be able to what he's
Starting point is 01:00:47 the people in the people who are when a leader is a people suffer
Starting point is 01:00:53 with him to be a man and all we're we're doing that you do you
Starting point is 01:01:01 go out that's I'm I'm not good to say then I'm
Starting point is 01:01:05 I'm never if this this happens. The best way to visualize
Starting point is 01:01:15 the form in that these are the real of people is remontar us to get to any way.
Starting point is 01:01:23 Think to a a mess familiar in the last night. Well, this Naviida
Starting point is 01:01:27 was very particular for the pandemic. Think on the navities anteriores. You know,
Starting point is 01:01:31 in every family we've found individuals exitosos and other that are not.
Starting point is 01:01:36 My And the oldiecese, in all the coquenas, it's of all in the vine, less uva, or no? A person that some people reunied around the table are intelligent, others are stupid, some are
Starting point is 01:01:50 fias, others are attractive, some are some good, others are not sure, it's a family. And in a family, these differences are going to give them insignificant, are families.
Starting point is 01:02:02 Well, you know, the wuella is too, the wettla is so that no, that's to the table. That's the Tio that all the
Starting point is 01:02:10 year is the major effort for maintaining away from there's a way to be a form practical to leave it.
Starting point is 01:02:15 We have to invite him. Because the Tio pertinces in the family, like all we were the
Starting point is 01:02:20 same antipasasas those same genes are installed in our cellules. Listen,
Starting point is 01:02:26 the fracos no cancel our membership in the family. I much a time
Starting point is 01:02:35 I took a job in and me sent to the mess. Much
Starting point is 01:02:39 times I had a deception and I sent to the table. I was when I had to be
Starting point is 01:02:44 congregate in my period of rebeldi. A family is in the place when you
Starting point is 01:02:51 get you have you have to admit you. The family functioned
Starting point is 01:02:59 better not occulting the differences that exist but celebrating you
Starting point is 01:03:04 this me got music now this is a quadado for the
Starting point is 01:03:07 music, what he is the architecture. This is an in-Utile or no. A family
Starting point is 01:03:13 a family a lot of the members more more and at the same time evita
Starting point is 01:03:17 to destroy to the most the more like any I'm a mother, I'm the child
Starting point is 01:03:24 after that's that's a little, until the that's that's that's that's
Starting point is 01:03:27 the little institution human within of the one of the
Starting point is 01:03:36 one is to your family? because if you had been able to perhaps that you'd know,
Starting point is 01:03:42 you'd know, I don't know the Gavely and the stokel and I
Starting point is 01:03:47 had been to be an city more cool who'd have you had a place
Starting point is 01:03:56 a place in Balingham you know where's where you know where where you know where
Starting point is 01:04:01 where you know nobody knows where you know only the only the because no
Starting point is 01:04:05 you can't because you never After the Billingwood, no more nothing. There's a toqueer where you can't. No,
Starting point is 01:04:10 there's no. I'm my barrio, but not they're not so do you're doing,
Starting point is 01:04:16 and we're so we're in the family for having has been and as consequence, we've
Starting point is 01:04:23 involuntarily arrojated to be a lot of a collection of people strange and different
Starting point is 01:04:29 to us the church us even to go more to go voluntarily
Starting point is 01:04:35 to electing to group with a group with a group of people, because we have a vincal
Starting point is 01:04:41 in Jesus Christ. So I've discovered that the church is more a family than any
Starting point is 01:04:47 other institution human. The church is, you know, if you're discepcionated with the
Starting point is 01:04:53 church. No, I'm more because there are people too chum. The church is the
Starting point is 01:04:56 place where the person with that never want to live.
Starting point is 01:05:01 For that the church is like the the the body of Christ. Because you've been that, although there's part of the body, because we're
Starting point is 01:05:07 there's a lot of, there's a lot, and it's part of your body. And all is part of your body. The body is one solo, says, Pablo. It's many members, and all the members. No, but it's a much, they form in a only one of the only world. First, Corinthians, 12, 12. So, the presence of God, you know, in the tabernacle of Sinai, in a
Starting point is 01:05:28 temple in Jerusalem. God God eligio Morar in in people common and even terca
Starting point is 01:05:35 people like you and like the church is a person of people
Starting point is 01:05:40 not of buildings in Buenos Aires or in California or in Houston
Starting point is 01:05:45 so when the when the those we we congregate we
Starting point is 01:05:50 we're many many we're and we're we people
Starting point is 01:05:56 the people the people's those as the there we we understand
Starting point is 01:05:59 the risk that God assume because for some reason God today is in the
Starting point is 01:06:06 world not at a through a column of a house, not even
Starting point is 01:06:10 to his his life in Galilea but not through that
Starting point is 01:06:14 that that is a conformed our church Paul. The Apostol Paul
Starting point is 01:06:23 seems not had been able to have been the questions They were presentable in Corinto, very seriously because I think that what was going to go to the church of Corinth, not only reflect to them,
Starting point is 01:06:34 but also reflect them to God. For the world that we look, we're, we're going to be a proof of that God is divo. We're notherstly to what is God. For that I tend to desalentar me with facility, because the most part of the time, we're, we're going to represent us very povertyment what is God. or no.
Starting point is 01:06:58 But when me I'm going to a book like a first of corinthos me down
Starting point is 01:07:02 a repentina raffa of this people I'm what I'm about these elevated
Starting point is 01:07:07 words to a group of corinthos that no you integrated by idol
Starting point is 01:07:13 at as adulterers adulterers propagators of chism and we're chismosos
Starting point is 01:07:17 we we cause to God grand dolor and however God passionately
Starting point is 01:07:24 is not has committed with us. No, we should have a same attitude
Starting point is 01:07:29 to the church that we're in I'm used to hear of the people saying, I'm doing, I'm a little bit of
Starting point is 01:07:41 your church. Realize the ministry but not pass for the pain and the complications that the
Starting point is 01:07:48 people rota and the church suffer. No madura, no crese. I don't want to
Starting point is 01:07:56 get to get to get upurry but Jesus in the last Sene, we
Starting point is 01:07:58 did a model for the work of the church. While the disciples
Starting point is 01:08:02 proponial we're to choose the functionaries, determine the hierarchies,
Starting point is 01:08:07 establishes certain patterns of professionalism. Jesus had a palangan a can't
Starting point is 01:08:14 a cub of a towel, and he started to allow the feet. And he
Starting point is 01:08:19 said, let's I'm this as example for that you do the
Starting point is 01:08:23 question. Juan 13-15. I think the Spirit of the service is the only grand sello that identifies the church that's the willpower of God.
Starting point is 01:08:31 We're people with problems, but what is it? No, exist another way. At a case it's another way. This is a church. A few the offices, the communities, a junta formed by the men abelies, loiteren
Starting point is 01:08:47 that marches ahead the church. But the question of the fund is, with what finality we make the church the church, fluidly? Because what God does in a
Starting point is 01:08:57 congregation is that fomented the development of the other, of the sensibility and the
Starting point is 01:09:05 lot. And in that many do they're in the car to not know those who
Starting point is 01:09:10 are the and continue on their lives there. There are others that are the people, no,
Starting point is 01:09:18 the people without the people in the same to do you have made to serve them
Starting point is 01:09:23 as I do you do this we're in what we're we're we
Starting point is 01:09:28 when the temples are serrars. Well, the governor can't impede that we'll get we'll get to help us. Pablo, said the attitude
Starting point is 01:09:35 you have to be the way of the Christ Jesus, who's rebaugh voluntarily took the naturalness of serbo.
Starting point is 01:09:42 Philippenses 2.5. The patron biblical in when the minister signaled that the scenda that's the
Starting point is 01:09:50 land that the statured in the person and said, I think he wrote the type, he said,
Starting point is 01:09:56 I think, in the effective that I can't do if you can't be your aghjohn. It's an impediment to serve you. Interfired with the work
Starting point is 01:10:04 that I have to do you. I would do a great things if you'd get you the aghom.
Starting point is 01:10:09 And the responses to the opos was a firm negative. Why God
Starting point is 01:10:16 could God that God would be the apostle not the reason to to be
Starting point is 01:10:21 a presumed a grandado. A grandado. My power is perfection in the debilities, said the
Starting point is 01:10:29 Lord. And Pablo learned to respond. Second of Corintius 27, for the
Starting point is 01:10:34 time, gustosomely, I'll alard of my debilities. And I to find
Starting point is 01:10:39 many pastors that make a alard of his debilities. What
Starting point is 01:10:43 leader does alard of his debilities? What leader he makes
Starting point is 01:10:47 his debilitary? He says, I'll alard of my debilities for me
Starting point is 01:10:52 the power of Christ. I regocii gocic in debilities and insult,
Starting point is 01:10:56 privations, persecutions, difficulties that suffer for Christ, because when I'm devil, I'm very strong. The declaration of Jesus, more repeated in the Evangelio, it's refere that when we're going to our life is when we're trying. And the best way of
Starting point is 01:11:13 to know what is, serving to others? That's Iglesia. For that I think that fundamentally the pandemic us ensued, to those that serve us, to that the pandemic, the quarantines the earth fertile to serve.
Starting point is 01:11:29 We have the tendency to think, and well, the life should be just because God is just, but God is not the life. If we're a relation with
Starting point is 01:11:39 God, separate of the circumstances of our life, then we'll take us to him when the reality physical is disintegrate,
Starting point is 01:11:47 when it comes a pandemic. We can learn to confound in God, to be the injustice and the pandemias.
Starting point is 01:11:55 Look at the heroes of the Bible, Abraham, Joseph, David, Elia, Gremia, Gremia, Daniel, Job. Passed proofs durissimas. But they found the form of sustainers to through the confidence in God, a pesar of the difficulties. Other, what pandemic. The people passed of all. But his faith passed to be a faith of contract.
Starting point is 01:12:18 It is, I mean, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, to God if God me troters, in a relation that transcends to any difficulty. For so I think that when the churches will come in the normality, the crevents of contract have been disappeared. A few of the people that are related to the ministry,
Starting point is 01:12:35 maybe more than other people, we've been in that contract of faith. You say, well, I'm trying time, I'm giving them energy in the order of God. No, I mean, I'm a contract special in recognition. I've heard, no,
Starting point is 01:12:49 I don't know how a serbo of God can't get a newer and mourn't COVID. And how the when the Lord
Starting point is 01:12:58 said, no, you're going to get to get to get to get
Starting point is 01:13:02 the little I'm going to I'm I'm I'm I know
Starting point is 01:13:06 someone because he put in a multi when stacionable
Starting point is 01:13:11 to give to people when visit someone to
Starting point is 01:13:14 visitable when the time the time he was he was
Starting point is 01:13:19 because he sentia the need to to be able to be able to go to another more in the hospital. And when I was going to find
Starting point is 01:13:26 the multa, in the parables, I said, no I'm trying to do. I'm doing. And it's still in person. Why not he's all auto-invisible? No confundas to God with the life. When I'm surging in doubt, I'll go to that grand
Starting point is 01:13:39 capitual of Paul, Romanos, Ocho. You know, that all we know the versecule 28? Now, well, we know, that God dispone all the things for those who they love.
Starting point is 01:13:49 But, But then our eyes have to give some saltos some of the articles to make sure
Starting point is 01:13:54 when he's going to apart of the love of Christ? The tribulation the angustia the persecution
Starting point is 01:14:01 the hunger, the indigency the danger, the violence there, Paul,
Starting point is 01:14:07 synthesizes his autobiography. The pass for the tribulations for the bien of the
Starting point is 01:14:13 evangel and in even manner, of any In any way, he had to faith
Starting point is 01:14:20 to believe that not he going to be going to be going to be used to be used as God for God.
Starting point is 01:14:27 Apprendio to look to the life. The church not is for that we go to be
Starting point is 01:14:32 a good a good. I'm sure. I'm sure that no the life, neither the
Starting point is 01:14:37 angels, nor the demons, nor the present, and the present, and the
Starting point is 01:14:42 provenire, nor the other thing, any other thing, and the creation could apart us
Starting point is 01:14:46 to partarn us that has manifesteded in Christ, our our senior. So, so he concludes
Starting point is 01:14:51 Pablo. All the father knows in a certain mode the risks that implic a
Starting point is 01:15:01 delegar, no? With all the all the and alligies that this
Starting point is 01:15:06 a carreya. A chick little that's doing his first and he gets,
Starting point is 01:15:12 he's and he can't, he will be to put in in
Starting point is 01:15:14 foot, but nobody discovered other way to learn
Starting point is 01:15:17 and my Dear, if the church fracaca in your mission and commit serious
Starting point is 01:15:26 errors, precisely, because in his son includes the senses human in that
Starting point is 01:15:31 he has more glory of God, it's because we're learning. That is
Starting point is 01:15:35 the risk that God was that the church is that's
Starting point is 01:15:39 the nature of the risk that God has assumed
Starting point is 01:15:45 or not the nature of the humanity. Every
Starting point is 01:15:48 Christian never to discover that the church is the commencing. The composer Igor Stravinsky a certain a book
Starting point is 01:16:01 that included a passage difficult for a violin solist. And, of course, after a
Starting point is 01:16:08 time of the violinist that executed that solo, he was to talk with Stravinsky and he
Starting point is 01:16:16 said, he said, he had made his major efforts, but he had that
Starting point is 01:16:22 was difficult That's a passage, impossible to to play in the violin. And Stravinsky he said, I'm going to be able. What I'm looking not is perfection, but the sound that
Starting point is 01:16:32 can produce someone who is trying to talk to. Capas that something is what God had in mind with respect
Starting point is 01:16:40 to the church. And to tell you, I want to tell you, why the message of
Starting point is 01:16:46 today, and this will give a sense to all what we did because the message is
Starting point is 01:16:54 about the 5th symphony and is what I want that you that you keep in the mind. I remember an illustration similar to a pastor, similar to this of Stravinsky,
Starting point is 01:17:05 of a pastor that defended the church against the critics of that people that desistimable for the hypocrisy, for all what we're most that we're all, for the fracassos, for the inability of those leaders. Because, of course, because one
Starting point is 01:17:20 no encounter the measure of the churches of the New Testament. And this was a pastor that lived in a community known by his fault of sophistication
Starting point is 01:17:32 cultural. Look, how fine that I'm going to put in to say that's not to say that
Starting point is 01:17:37 there's there's a little sophistication cultural. And the orchestra improvised of the
Starting point is 01:17:45 school to the school was a time, the fifth symphonia of Beethoven.
Starting point is 01:17:57 That's one of the most complex of the composer. Every year I was to talk the
Starting point is 01:18:03 5th symphony. And the pastor says, I think that execution every when the time that
Starting point is 01:18:09 were the secondaries, I'd retorcered to the old Beethoven in the tomb
Starting point is 01:18:12 at the sordera. So, so I'm aught to hear the torpes
Starting point is 01:18:20 intentos of the students of the studentaria to execute the infuner
Starting point is 01:18:24 the person and he said, look, what are what you do you
Starting point is 01:18:29 on these poeuvre the terrible carga to try to interpretate what the immortal
Starting point is 01:18:37 Beethoven had in his mind neither the grand orchestra symphonic of London can get
Starting point is 01:18:44 that perfection of the fifth symphonia and the response the professor
Starting point is 01:18:50 he was to tommy to he's, no, I don't do you
Starting point is 01:18:53 do the students the students not in the They're in a dream.
Starting point is 01:18:58 They're going to to the Kinta Symphony of Beethoven. And even that's
Starting point is 01:19:03 in 24 hours every the orchestra of our school secondary
Starting point is 01:19:10 will will proportion to some of the people of
Starting point is 01:19:14 the only encounter with the extraordinary Kinta Symphony
Starting point is 01:19:20 of Beethoven that never will in their in the
Starting point is 01:19:26 people those granger these people almost without culture, much of
Starting point is 01:19:31 of them just just a little of the school primary, they're
Starting point is 01:19:35 to hear to their children. It's very very very way
Starting point is 01:19:41 that's the only way to hear to the message that he's that
Starting point is 01:19:48 people in his life is going to get to a lot of
Starting point is 01:19:51 to a music to a music or to the
Starting point is 01:19:57 music or a symphonic of So I do the opportunity to to get a lot possible to Beethoven in the mind. I remember
Starting point is 01:20:07 to me myself this analogy every time I'm to retort me in the reunion of a church because I, as I was
Starting point is 01:20:12 a many of the people, I always had things that I would have some or the cults were in large or the
Starting point is 01:20:18 I'm the put to see at the foot, take the foot, say the last a little bit to be able,
Starting point is 01:20:22 I'm infermable or a sometimes the pastor well prepared or a sometimes the presentation and even
Starting point is 01:20:28 every I think I'm retorcea in a church I remember this analogy and I think even
Starting point is 01:20:37 never we're doing what the composer had in mind there no way
Starting point is 01:20:42 in that these sounds have been heard on the earth so it's
Starting point is 01:20:46 with the church there. There is the extravagant Benny the
Starting point is 01:20:57 controversial cash the disputed Guillermo the polemic Joel
Starting point is 01:21:04 the extravagant Rundi, the Equanim Luis, the Pallablas Ampulosas, Albert, the
Starting point is 01:21:14 empresarial Cesar, the rock star Stephen, the political Rick, the questionado Marcos, the palacio
Starting point is 01:21:25 and eccentric, Dant, or that you only know the name of a profile much more back.
Starting point is 01:21:32 We're the torpest musicians of secondary, all rotos, eh? but some are what some
Starting point is 01:21:36 are the more intentano us to get to the 5th symphonia some
Starting point is 01:21:44 some are on the front, other are on a violin other is a flaut
Starting point is 01:21:49 a stival a pandereta and even a guitar disenchufated like
Starting point is 01:21:54 our Vincente for so we're just we're a
Starting point is 01:21:58 desastry none of the predicators you you criticas
Starting point is 01:22:02 and me include we We're chosen for God, for our capacity, less for the sanctity or for the talent. But are those instruments, a few desafinated,
Starting point is 01:22:15 what is available. Others are you taking the tracero front of the computer about those what they do. And, together, we're doing, we do not do we're trying something like the melody of the
Starting point is 01:22:30 sky to the people. The church and his predicators we're going to be the torpest musicians that we're trying to interpretal what God had in mind when he wrote his partitura with the same.
Starting point is 01:22:45 And as I'm saying, I'm conscious that the majority of the churches offerce more entertainment than adoration. More uniformity than diversity. More exclusivism than programs of extension.
Starting point is 01:23:01 More law than grace. But, macho, Your church is imperfect, including your pastor, even more imperfect, is the noble intent of the grand professor to hear the melody perfect of his work. It's a treasure in vase of barrow. Pudu had delegated his partitura in angels? Pud.
Starting point is 01:23:32 But no, prefer to us. For so, before to give it to criticize, remember that the church perfected no exists. because the pastor as a pastor as a person
Starting point is 01:23:43 is composed of people like you not exige perfection if you can you
Starting point is 01:23:50 don't you and until that Christ come that that
Starting point is 01:23:55 you do or not is the most you will
Starting point is 01:23:58 be the Kinta symphonia I know for those that are
Starting point is 01:24:06 for those people people people people people Muslim, testigo of Jeodah, Adventists.
Starting point is 01:24:15 Oro for those who who don't believe in nothing. Oro for the Christians Pentecostal and the Baptists, the Renovas, the Renovated, the Reformed. Oro for everyone. For that we tend to
Starting point is 01:24:26 this altitude of the year, pronto, for that these quarantines, these sepas of virus, not so are stendienting, that we tenders that we need to
Starting point is 01:24:36 the church. Oro, for that we comemable the lachrymas of others. How you
Starting point is 01:24:42 He loves the Lord. For that you say. We're we're
Starting point is 01:24:47 pardon for having critiqued our churches, and have critiqued our pastors. Although there were
Starting point is 01:24:54 they were the criticism. We're we're we're people rotas,
Starting point is 01:25:01 we're people rotas, and the Lord and the people and the
Starting point is 01:25:06 wonderful over in these vassos of barro. I'm
Starting point is 01:25:09 to the other other side of those that they're receiving to Christ for first first the only
Starting point is 01:25:13 what you have to say, you know, I'm in my life. You receive
Starting point is 01:25:16 like my sufficient Salvador. Thanks for pardon me my pecas.
Starting point is 01:25:22 Pidle the Lord that write your name in the book of the
Starting point is 01:25:24 life. No, no, never more. To be that you are
Starting point is 01:25:28 looking to in the world, to you're send us the
Starting point is 01:25:32 Lord, to the endis, the most about the Kinta symphonia,
Starting point is 01:25:40 but we intend us full of errors. We're the instruments that God eligued to give to
Starting point is 01:25:46 your treasure, most important. You know, I'm the ministers, for leaders that have
Starting point is 01:25:53 gone back the arms. Much of got to have said their temples,
Starting point is 01:25:57 vending those local those temples, they have to have been there's
Starting point is 01:26:01 people. There are many who know what can't what, say,
Starting point is 01:26:05 you think that God can't of you. There's people who is going to God
Starting point is 01:26:09 said, God me. The Lord me says that you do you
Starting point is 01:26:12 do you do you do you do you do you not you do you not the
Starting point is 01:26:17 temple or your talent or your money and for your people
Starting point is 01:26:21 you're because you was roto you I'm because the glory
Starting point is 01:26:25 me I'm I'm every every that I'm every
Starting point is 01:26:29 you so you the Lord you bendice the Lord.
Starting point is 01:26:34 You love the Lord. I'm praying for people of all the people of these
Starting point is 01:26:40 this glory this uncied of God. Can you see it? There's glory of God when
Starting point is 01:26:46 exalted to Christ. There's glory of the Spirit when exalted a
Starting point is 01:26:51 man. When He's he's all the glory and more than
Starting point is 01:26:56 never he is he's still the glory over the
Starting point is 01:26:59 temple for over the predicators he he he
Starting point is 01:27:02 he he the glory. You love the Lord. No,
Starting point is 01:27:08 you know, don't take the back the back the God, because when more
Starting point is 01:27:14 the night and the morning, the Lord, he says, me says, me says,
Starting point is 01:27:19 that you say, that's this month, this month that he's
Starting point is 01:27:23 to come to be not to February without that you the purpose of
Starting point is 01:27:28 God for the what you did you have to you know, the
Starting point is 01:27:32 Lord, and to him. You bendigo. I know, I'll do new forces, you de health, and new doors, so on the new doors, so on the
Starting point is 01:27:44 name of the Father of the God, of the Holyo, and the Spirit Santo. Amen. And amen. That God beendigued. That God has to resplandecer his rostro over you.
Starting point is 01:27:54 You know, thank you for having been there. As I said, oh, yeah, at the beginning of the service, when you're put like to the videos, the videos are more virile
Starting point is 01:28:04 and I want that this gets to all parts of the world. I want that this message to get to
Starting point is 01:28:08 where perhaps that we can imagine we can't be the Lord, you know, the Lord. You go to
Starting point is 01:28:15 the placas that God to get to our rostro over you. We'll be here or what God disponged
Starting point is 01:28:23 to stay atent. Thank you thank you thank you for sembr thank you families.
Starting point is 01:28:28 Yes, we are family. We're we're going to give us. We'll be firm as a talon deoso. You know, with the placas final, I insist, and we'll see here very
Starting point is 01:28:37 soon. God, God, God, termine me on the dominole, and that have a grand, but grand semans. Chau. I don't know. You've been told me,
Starting point is 01:29:00 no, temas. I'm here. The father me bivow for you. And me cured the injuries, me sanast me, Jesus.
Starting point is 01:29:11 All my cargars last you last you in the cross. Something so grand and no I can comprehend Owego
Starting point is 01:29:18 your sweet voice Dio another and another again Oh Oh
Starting point is 01:29:23 Oh you're welcome You're Amado One and another Oh
Starting point is 01:29:30 Beven Arrived Erri and I'm I'm I'm He's
Starting point is 01:29:57 I'm Purted And you And you're You Cured
Starting point is 01:30:01 And my Jesus Allas My Allas You I'm

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