Dante Gebel Live - Fuimos Iglesia

Episode Date: September 13, 2020

Una de las realidades fundamentales en la vida de cualquier organización, es que los sistemas se fosilizan con el tiempo y la iglesia no es una excepción a esto. Lo que empezó como testigo de lo mi...lagroso se volvió institucional y hoy la iglesia tiene menos de movimiento y más de establecimiento. Es tiempo de cuestionarnos si estamos marcando una diferencia en la sociedad o sólo nos  estamos dedicando a celebrar cultos y a poner trabas para que la gente rota se acerque al Señor. ¿Somos ekklesía, o nos hemos conformado con ser kirche? ¡Un mensaje confrontador!

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Starting point is 00:00:01 There's a old story that contains much a grander a gracer for his tractor and his
Starting point is 00:00:30 machinery agricola and as was disconform with the quality that they were
Starting point is 00:00:35 the locales he started to experiment with his own and finally
Starting point is 00:00:41 he went to a great quality and the the the people
Starting point is 00:00:46 they were to give to their because was the quality
Starting point is 00:00:49 superior for at least, of all what what had in that moment in the market. And the bidios, it obligated to augment the time of your project, and, little, after, invirted the money in the machinery
Starting point is 00:01:01 sufficient for a, for a small fabric. With the time, the ventas of the granjero crecerned so that decided to leave the agriculture to dedicate to produce grass a time complete, no?
Starting point is 00:01:17 Contracted employees, and, And, and, and, and, and then we would beurril to do the
Starting point is 00:01:23 world, and the grangerer derived his gran' derrived the finca, and constructed a grand plant
Starting point is 00:01:30 of, the, of the fabrication of the gas in their place.
Starting point is 00:01:35 His machines of grass were to some a few, a many of
Starting point is 00:01:39 pieces mobile to maintain all the day the orders that
Starting point is 00:01:42 were to the people, and then there had noticed. Much of
Starting point is 00:01:48 the grass that the grangerer produced, had to be used to lubricate the millions of pieces mobile of their own plant. So, at the time of the years, in a manner imperceptible,
Starting point is 00:02:02 his own fabric grew, and with it grew the costs and the demand of grass, more employees, more maintenance, and the point came to
Starting point is 00:02:13 the day in that the plant of grass no could satisfy the orders of the clients and kebrew. The reason, all the grass that produced was
Starting point is 00:02:21 to be used in their own machinaries. All what were used in their own own their own
Starting point is 00:02:27 people. And when I remember this story, me came to the time the times that this is
Starting point is 00:02:33 in our congregations, we use them all what we produce for auto-maintenern us. We know,
Starting point is 00:02:41 from the initial that we received of God the task to get your a heart
Starting point is 00:02:45 to the world, and in the culture Christian, that we're we're
Starting point is 00:02:52 to keep our own our own our own way of our own way and we're not the
Starting point is 00:03:07 time, and there's not a particular in that. But we're we've always about
Starting point is 00:03:12 who we are, and what we think one of the things more disconcertant to the people the leaders of
Starting point is 00:03:21 the church is that the majority of the people of the church no know what is the church. No, know because
Starting point is 00:03:27 there is the church. Preguntal to the person to the mind when when he hears the
Starting point is 00:03:34 word the church and you will receive all class of responses and all will
Starting point is 00:03:37 be all are in the order of an an an an temple,
Starting point is 00:03:43 the place where I reune one a year the place where the world where they're in the evangelicals
Starting point is 00:03:50 and the tragic is that that's that comes to the person promedio when
Starting point is 00:03:55 they're in the church is that is what was really in the
Starting point is 00:04:00 time in the the church because in the first the
Starting point is 00:04:06 church was a movement with a message very
Starting point is 00:04:10 centered in a mission World. And they were men's women who were not given to what they were not for what they had
Starting point is 00:04:20 seen. They were testigos oculare. So, so that's the church. And that simple effect, it puts a church in a category different with respect to all the other movements
Starting point is 00:04:34 religiouses that have produced in the history of the world. Because at the end of the And in the case, not were the ensignances of Jesus, the philosophy of Jesus, the that they're the followers to the streets and at the four corners of the world antigo. It was his resurrection. They were that they were told them what they had seen.
Starting point is 00:04:55 So, the men and women who formed the nucleus, not were simply a group of followers of a doctrine, of a philosophy. They're the testigos of an accountimient. They were the testigos of
Starting point is 00:05:13 a movement. And, without we were quiting the moving to move to make a word of the words.
Starting point is 00:05:22 We went to get into the movement. The problem of the church is that one that was legalized
Starting point is 00:05:29 was organized. One a way legalized was organized. insupportably organized. And what he started as as a testigocular of the miracle,
Starting point is 00:05:41 so it was institutional. And at the time, the church has less of movement and more of establishment. Menes of movement and more of establishment. If today, in any part of the world,
Starting point is 00:05:58 says the word, church, very few people are going to think in function of a
Starting point is 00:06:04 very rare that people say, it's a mobilization. They're to think in a
Starting point is 00:06:10 temple, in an building, and one of the realities in the life
Starting point is 00:06:14 of any organization is that the systems are fossilizing
Starting point is 00:06:20 with time. We're going are archaical and the church
Starting point is 00:06:24 is an exception to this. I think me that
Starting point is 00:06:28 to advance because still not yet I'm to get to the year to do you
Starting point is 00:06:32 the world in the ministry of Jesus in the there was a debate constant
Starting point is 00:06:40 about of the identity. A me I like that in these
Starting point is 00:06:44 messages one one can see a one of one of that means that
Starting point is 00:06:48 has been that's heard of you've used to you you've years,
Starting point is 00:06:52 you in a time you want to you permit the
Starting point is 00:06:55 benefit of the a little bit, like you're saying this for the first because the word is alive and God can't talk to a mode new with the same word. Ojos new.
Starting point is 00:07:06 So, they'd beattied who was Jesus, or what was their identity? It was a master, was a rabino, was a prophet, so if it was not if it was about of Nicodemo
Starting point is 00:07:17 as if it was the woman with that he conversed with the posse, the question was the same. Who is this man?
Starting point is 00:07:26 And finally, Jesus decided to confronters directly to that question. So, then, he said to the first question that all of those had been having been doing to them. Who does the people that are I? In other words, what do they say, of me for the case? When they're the messiah or of Jesus, what are they? What do you say the people, what are you?
Starting point is 00:07:52 And as well, the disciples, they responded, basing in what they had heard there were people who had people that Jesus
Starting point is 00:08:01 was Juan the Baptist that had regress out of the mortals others suggested
Starting point is 00:08:08 that Jesus was the prophet Elias of which many Jews think
Starting point is 00:08:12 that would would come to the tomb to present to Jesus.
Starting point is 00:08:18 Jesus he said the question directly to the two and you
Starting point is 00:08:22 who who says who I. So, if you know the history, you know, you know, Simon Pedro, was the the answer to the immediate. He says, you're the Christ. You are the Messiah. You are the Christ. Christ's
Starting point is 00:08:38 meaning messias, the ungid. The son, the child of the God vivient. And with the same rapidness, Jesus he says, Dichoso, Simon, his sonas. Because that's not to do you know, no, no te wasreveled, no, no reveled no, no reveled no but you know that it revealed my father, that are in the
Starting point is 00:08:54 heavens. I tell you that you are Peter, and over this pieter, I'll edificate my and the gates of the reign of the murder, no prevailederan against her. There is when some people say, well, then
Starting point is 00:09:10 Peter is the first Papa of the church, is the funder, no. Jesus did an intelligent game of words. He used the apodo that he had given to Peter to relate to his proclamation
Starting point is 00:09:23 of the church. He declared that the pillar angular of the church would be inspired in the proclamation that Peter had made
Starting point is 00:09:33 about his identity of the identity of Jesus. But there is something that is used to the Bible
Starting point is 00:09:41 to our language. And specifically I'm, I refer to the significator of the terminor
Starting point is 00:09:47 the term because the term, Greek, traducid as a long of the New Testament, and of which
Starting point is 00:09:57 is a word in Spanish is Ecclesia. I want to prests attention to this, because this is the base to
Starting point is 00:10:04 construct what God will say now. Ecclesia. What is possible that you know is that you
Starting point is 00:10:11 not a term of use religious. Ecclesia was used to talk of the citizens convocados
Starting point is 00:10:19 to a reunion with a proposito civic, for example. We're to do a
Starting point is 00:10:25 ecclesia in contra of Rome, a ecclesia a favor of the Cesar, what I see
Starting point is 00:10:30 you? It was used to refer to the soldiers also we're going to
Starting point is 00:10:34 a church with a a purpose military. So, a
Starting point is 00:10:39 a a was a reunion or assembly of people
Starting point is 00:10:43 that had been have been have been convocated with a proposite concrete.
Starting point is 00:10:49 And the word ecclesia never was referred to a an edificio, a
Starting point is 00:10:55 a place specific, it was a a movement, a a reunion, a
Starting point is 00:11:01 assembly, not a place. And the people were people are very
Starting point is 00:11:05 people, and the literature secular, as the literature sacred, the
Starting point is 00:11:12 word ecclesia, always a reunion of a person unied by a identity and a reason to
Starting point is 00:11:21 be that they were common. So when Jesus uses this term, the disciples, they were saying,
Starting point is 00:11:29 I'm going to edificing my proper assembly of people, my own movement of people,
Starting point is 00:11:36 and the ciment of that movement, I'm going to do you. If the the word is Greek,
Starting point is 00:11:42 Listen to this. That me always me called the attention this, me voled the top of the process.
Starting point is 00:11:48 If the word Greek means a reunion, why our Bible not is
Starting point is 00:11:55 limited to have been to be the idea to consider the word Greek ecclesia
Starting point is 00:12:02 under the word Spanish of the language that no has to do that
Starting point is 00:12:07 and that that's that explains in part why the movement or desperado
Starting point is 00:12:12 by the resurrection of Jesus is institutionalized. That's why the majority of the people think that the
Starting point is 00:12:21 church is an edificio until the day of the temple or a place, that makes that the
Starting point is 00:12:27 people get a attack of caspa when they said they're they're I'm including.
Starting point is 00:12:32 One at principle one at a lot of valga redundance sentiments encountered
Starting point is 00:12:39 when they're what we we're we we're the church. Now, at a
Starting point is 00:12:45 time, if one of the history, the ecclesia, he's a movement, logical. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:12:52 not it was a group of people in expansion, that partia an identity and a reason to
Starting point is 00:12:59 be a common. It was a good. And the Romanos had to each one
Starting point is 00:13:04 of these places of the Italy, especially. And also many countries of America Latin have adopted, basilica. The word
Starting point is 00:13:17 Latin, used to identify an edificial or a place of a reunion is basilica, or they're also cathedral.
Starting point is 00:13:27 The cultures gothic or Germanic used the word Chirica, Chirica, or Chirica.
Starting point is 00:13:37 No. I don't know if is quirica or Kyrika. But it's a a word rarer that was a word that's that's
Starting point is 00:13:42 a German modern in Kirche of that's because I'm because I'm a good of German Kirche
Starting point is 00:13:49 So Kirche was the word that was the word that the word significable Casa of
Starting point is 00:13:58 the Sir someone said Kirtche was a house of the church and it's
Starting point is 00:14:02 used to refererer to to all place to so I said that
Starting point is 00:14:07 the word church Church, is a not a traduction of the Greek, it's a
Starting point is 00:14:12 substitution of the Greek and it's a mal substitution. The term German
Starting point is 00:14:19 Kirche and the vocablo Greek Ecclesia are two things different
Starting point is 00:14:25 and I know that someone says where you go to this to
Starting point is 00:14:29 do you to do you say a a Kirtche is
Starting point is 00:14:34 a place if the German said the Germans said
Starting point is 00:14:37 Kirtche It was an edificio. A ecclesia, according the Lord Jesus Christ, is a reunion of persons with a purpose determined in a movement in expansion. When he said,
Starting point is 00:14:51 over this pieter, edificare, he said, my ecclesia, no, he said my kirche. The doors of a kirche can see,
Starting point is 00:15:00 a basilica. The doors of the ecclesia of Jesus not see in. And with the years, the church,
Starting point is 00:15:10 now not a movement edificated over the comprehension of who is Jesus and that he's a
Starting point is 00:15:16 tomb of a small. It had converted in synonym of a local, of a
Starting point is 00:15:21 temple, of a denomination and the the the worst is that that any
Starting point is 00:15:28 that was that was that was that the church, was
Starting point is 00:15:34 also the was also the was the the congregation. the duenio, if a pastor, the sacerdote, the rabino,
Starting point is 00:15:42 the obispo, who is the apostle, who wants to that were the edificio of the church, control the scriptures and control
Starting point is 00:15:51 their interpretation. And if to that is the mysticism, all what does that that control the edificio
Starting point is 00:16:01 is to put distance between the oldenets and the leader that control that the the church. Because the mysticism
Starting point is 00:16:08 communicism communicates that who controls the church is more than the other than their own to their little their
Starting point is 00:16:14 never will be able to be mystic create a mystery. And with the mystery comes the temor. And to the leaders we
Starting point is 00:16:23 love the mystery hallelujah, I'm ungid. You've been in Uber but I came in car
Starting point is 00:16:28 of a fire. And that he's the control the church to the timon of
Starting point is 00:16:34 the nave. And one once that the leader, log, that his audience, think he
Starting point is 00:16:39 is someone special, because he controls the church, the church, the way of the
Starting point is 00:16:44 way special. It's like the capataz. No? The key the the way. Different to
Starting point is 00:16:50 what the Lord thought and he deo a movement. When we we're always a new
Starting point is 00:16:55 of that building of that is the pastor, the apostro, or who can say. Mixla
Starting point is 00:17:00 all that with a postura with a postura of the a predicator of the sanai doctrine, and
Starting point is 00:17:08 nobody never will put in tela of the decision of the leader. Capas that his conjuge and
Starting point is 00:17:16 his children, that know in the intimacy, know that's an hypocrite. But as it's a
Starting point is 00:17:23 customre to the good life, the money, to the money, to know, the
Starting point is 00:17:27 his kids, a lot are a matter but it is a tapar.
Starting point is 00:17:32 Because to control a church a to maintainers alighed of the evangelists, of the
Starting point is 00:17:38 instructions of Jesus and of the example of Jesus. The evangelists could be a problem for those who want to control
Starting point is 00:17:46 the church. If you're going to control the church, as a business a new not you
Starting point is 00:17:52 don't you don't you never to get to the Old Testament. It's more easy fors
Starting point is 00:17:56 the interpretations from the genesis in the but not cruces more
Starting point is 00:18:01 than you malachia because no, you know, to you're going to what you do you're going to be the things that's
Starting point is 00:18:08 things are the for the people who are to be able to get to be a part of Matthew, no there's
Starting point is 00:18:14 nothing to control. All is a movement. A part of Matthew, no there's Jesus in the
Starting point is 00:18:20 cases. No, is almost practicing never in the synagogues. It's, with those
Starting point is 00:18:26 they're to be in the building, not they're not going to be
Starting point is 00:18:30 to the people outside. And Jesus, he loves to be with the people outside and not into the building. And for the general,
Starting point is 00:18:37 who says to have a call, no, they're in a movement, thinks in a church like a temple. Continently, I mean, me
Starting point is 00:18:44 scribes in the social and say, I have the call to predicate. And if you imagine, on predicating here, in
Starting point is 00:18:51 your congregation, where it's, after a pulpit. To me, me say continually, we're going to continue a platform,
Starting point is 00:18:57 me going to grab a disc, I'm going to write a book. Nobody, or almost nobody, is imagine
Starting point is 00:19:04 to have a thing to do you know, everyone, everyone wants to have done to work in the edifics.
Starting point is 00:19:12 And to the evangelical us can't to be a call, de unction, we say things such
Starting point is 00:19:18 as absurd as what the important, not your capacity, but your disposition, God,
Starting point is 00:19:22 God, be the person, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know,
Starting point is 00:19:25 you know, that criteria. Hefe, no, me quittery the appendice? No, but I don't know, but no, but no,
Starting point is 00:19:32 it's a good exposition. You take me them to, let me go, let me go, let's get me them, let's do.
Starting point is 00:19:37 God, to those who don't have to do you know, it's really. But that doesn't
Starting point is 00:19:42 convert to a ignorance in a virtue. In the moment, that needs the Bible,
Starting point is 00:19:49 says the Lord, the spirit of God you can to try to the word to
Starting point is 00:19:52 the word to the For that's not an argument against the preparation academic. So, to sustain the exceptions
Starting point is 00:20:01 as if were the regla not is only a neceda but that's contrary to the scriptures. But at the
Starting point is 00:20:08 point, to not go in the theme. We're not we're moving or only we're not really
Starting point is 00:20:13 we're doing. One question that we have to make more than never now, during the
Starting point is 00:20:18 pandemic, the leaders. We're making a difference Difference in the world, in the society? Or we've been for a year dedicated to celebrate cults?
Starting point is 00:20:36 We're organized around of a mission, of a mission, or we're organized around of an antiquated model of the ministerial of the generation past? We've seen that
Starting point is 00:20:50 we're going to do that we do something when we're talking and we say to the people that come in the place to go. we're in ecclesia or we're conformed with we're sure we're seeing I'm sitting to churches
Starting point is 00:21:05 for people of the church nobody was said but it was presented that the churches were for the people of the church and the message that was made to the world exterior was well, one of you commences to comportartes like us,
Starting point is 00:21:21 one way that you musters fruit then and only then you'll uniting our group and be welcome. And we had the tendency I said
Starting point is 00:21:30 in the dominoes past, we had the tendency to be in contact of all the church was that was
Starting point is 00:21:37 and that's never for something that something that was that we're so we're against
Starting point is 00:21:42 certain style of music that the rock was that was diabolical after the
Starting point is 00:21:46 after the hip hop we we were we're opon to the alchal to the
Starting point is 00:21:51 lotteria, to the cinema to the the moda to the homosexuals to
Starting point is 00:21:55 and I'd the impression where I'm that I'm that we're that we're that we're or someone
Starting point is 00:22:02 to becotear and for strange that this was that we're not that we was a that for us
Starting point is 00:22:09 that was that was the model the changes to the people to the people are so changes
Starting point is 00:22:20 with the form in that we're we're the model that we adopt us as a church. The model
Starting point is 00:22:27 always terminate defining the church. I had a pastor a German, always, not a perro, a pastor, a nationally in Germany, that said, so is how it's how the things here.
Starting point is 00:22:39 So, we've done always done, and so it's going to be to be. Punt. No, there was a place of discussion, no, there was debate possible. So, we're the
Starting point is 00:22:50 model. And with the time, the churches are the model, a way to do the way of but it is supposed
Starting point is 00:22:58 that the models are a middle to make a final or not
Starting point is 00:23:02 the models are created to the mission of
Starting point is 00:23:08 the church in the past all the people the
Starting point is 00:23:13 people the but it was that a generation
Starting point is 00:23:18 so the model to the men the and
Starting point is 00:23:21 the truth is that in the case of
Starting point is 00:23:25 the the churches, the susteniment of the model actual, it's being the mission of the church, we're doing
Starting point is 00:23:34 not going to help them, no matter, but they're to preserve the model. And the volunteers are
Starting point is 00:23:39 trained us with that model particularly in the MENT. C, D.12, the C-14, the cellula, the reunion in
Starting point is 00:23:46 the house, the model of Jesus the model of the Spirit Sancho, the name that they want to say they're
Starting point is 00:23:51 not saying that they're not. But who can see the church, are trained with those models. The presupposts are created around
Starting point is 00:23:59 of that model. I did a, we did a, we did a gira of almost three years, called Authentic. At the principle, I was called Intim, then he was called Authentico, and the year past, 2019 was demensial because we had six, seven, eight
Starting point is 00:24:17 cities, a few, times, for a week, and I I'd have that conference that would have three hours, and in that conference I'd
Starting point is 00:24:26 that I'd that the models or the ways to do the things that we're we're we're in a
Starting point is 00:24:33 transigente. It's a little like that sofa or that old sysion that our parents cargabing
Starting point is 00:24:42 in house every that every that were I'd say I'd I'd say about a shillon
Starting point is 00:24:47 I'd we had we had in house. At the first they were in the sillon
Starting point is 00:24:50 bird because they needed in a place in a place and the
Starting point is 00:24:55 whole and then after the time was more more than a
Starting point is 00:25:00 place. Entro to form part of the family and more
Starting point is 00:25:02 the important more and finally he was associated with
Starting point is 00:25:07 the records there had a one of the manchas
Starting point is 00:25:11 and they were and pegs emotionally to a newble. And when it was the
Starting point is 00:25:18 moment of muders, a pese, the fact that in reality not it was in the new house and
Starting point is 00:25:23 with the new decoration, they put it in the carmion, and they were inbalar, and they were going to
Starting point is 00:25:31 embalar or unpack and they're moving with the shillon of the wheel. And that the sillion
Starting point is 00:25:35 red doesn't pick it with nothing. It's discolorid is full of the
Starting point is 00:25:39 but not they can disprend of it. because what he commenced as a a solution
Starting point is 00:25:46 to a problem hey, where we we're going to be a mascot but it has a
Starting point is 00:25:53 same dynamic to the life of the church and it's devastating with a
Starting point is 00:25:59 signion one's but in the dynamic of an a church is terrible
Starting point is 00:26:02 we we're we're we're we're we we're we're
Starting point is 00:26:07 we're we that's that's that's that's there's there's
Starting point is 00:26:11 that you can't can't the hymn. If not can't the hymn, no can't or not for the children. We can't sing, the children are of Christ, if the child is blessed. So, we're having
Starting point is 00:26:24 any example. Like that's, like that, to go to things more serious. So with the time, I get a generation that says, I don't me going to sit in this cission,
Starting point is 00:26:34 verde, not me to sit down in their sofas old. And that generation is a marcher to go to sit and another place. has another
Starting point is 00:26:41 way to conceive the church there's a way, there's many people, there's a lot of people saying, I'm going to
Starting point is 00:26:51 my offrends and I'm very. And some leaders we've got a tacked to caspah, I'm trying to make a lot, and we don't understand because the second
Starting point is 00:27:09 generation no want to regress to the same that he goes to go back. The church will be to change. When this pandemic terminate,
Starting point is 00:27:16 the church not will be what it was going to be to be a this is for Satanas this is this comes to
Starting point is 00:27:22 us. We don't understand because the young don't want to siters to sitars
Starting point is 00:27:30 fios and antiqued. No, not cab in the case, because of why reason not want
Starting point is 00:27:34 the stories associated with our manchas. The models of the ministerio that not sustain the mission of the church,
Starting point is 00:27:43 they're impeding that mission, and what is the worst, convictings in the mission. One of the reasons for
Starting point is 00:27:52 that many churches are that are not I'm about now, I know of before that
Starting point is 00:28:00 the COVID-19, churches that don't can grow, a church that have been acientos that are
Starting point is 00:28:07 that the leaders of the church am more his form to do the things, his models, than the
Starting point is 00:28:14 people. For that we decided in River, with all our errors, but we decided we
Starting point is 00:28:21 to launch us to the market of the people and the people rota.
Starting point is 00:28:25 That's a market grandissimo and we can't we have been competition
Starting point is 00:28:29 and we're we're going to make all our correct
Starting point is 00:28:36 consists in to assure us to that we remain in the challenge of to predicate a evangelist
Starting point is 00:28:42 for a person and when a lot of they're going to say, the fact, the fact that this
Starting point is 00:28:47 people are we get casetazos between us and we say we're going to get a lot of the
Starting point is 00:28:53 person. And if not the cachetazes not the not do you. And to do that we're not
Starting point is 00:28:58 we're not to be to make sure to do the way to always we're doing, this to muebler
Starting point is 00:29:06 casas not can't be able to be to maintainers always this to envied
Starting point is 00:29:10 to give money to the countries, we have to be able to keep the strategy. I,
Starting point is 00:29:15 for the least I'm a terror to start to start to be to be to be
Starting point is 00:29:21 to make a new strategy. When I got to this country, I'm about here to be
Starting point is 00:29:28 here to the United, after the person to he's the poncho, but I know, but I
Starting point is 00:29:33 percat that the mission of many churches consist in to pay the accounts. If he's paid the account, that's all right.
Starting point is 00:29:40 If the pastor has a good salary and and he's the salary of others that are in the plantilla of employees and all can't sustain. That's all perfect. The majority of the churches locales
Starting point is 00:29:52 no see an urgency to anything. Until that the money begins to fallar. When the money begins to get to get back
Starting point is 00:30:05 there's a great preoccupation in all the world of can't gain almas. So, is that I'm talking about of here.
Starting point is 00:30:10 Not all. There's many people can't pass a year without to be out of any more than
Starting point is 00:30:17 some of the children, and nothing they will be to be a little a decade, two decades
Starting point is 00:30:25 without a only one decision of faith. And nobody convocke a reunion of
Starting point is 00:30:29 emergency to see what is going. But no doesn't get to cover the presupposts during three, four months
Starting point is 00:30:34 a year or gets a pandemic? All the world is worried. They're talking to change of paradigm, that we're going to to look at the manner, the form for that the people regreces. So, no, that you've had been a encounter with God.
Starting point is 00:30:51 What he was to fall of a roadies was an encounter with a call on a call upon a call upon. And one of the crisis financial, you know will be to do like start as well as like it's like like it's like I'm going to
Starting point is 00:31:02 gringas I'm going to we're going to help us oh no it's not trying to money
Starting point is 00:31:08 yeah but you know there's there's a there's always so you're trying to get into
Starting point is 00:31:15 money while there's no problem no me affect my cheque when
Starting point is 00:31:22 when you start the money all the people start we need we're
Starting point is 00:31:25 we're a tragic reality is that there's a great majority of the church that
Starting point is 00:31:29 not are disposed to change, while the finances not are not obliging
Starting point is 00:31:35 to make it. And Jesus had to have to have to this first to their
Starting point is 00:31:42 model. Sure, alleging that was the model of Moises, not they had invented
Starting point is 00:31:47 them. But when came to the year, they had added to,
Starting point is 00:31:52 they had adapted to that the system of those times was a
Starting point is 00:31:56 some a And the question, one of the questions for those Jesus, if Jesus, she all jacquist, that was the Sabbath, for example. No important that in the Sabbath could be able to get a cabra
Starting point is 00:32:10 that had caught in the pozo. But sanar to a creature made of God, no, it's a prohibitimus. And at final, of one of many of the many of the many of the conduct, correct,
Starting point is 00:32:26 on the Sabbath, Jesus, Jesus, the next observation. The Sabbath is for the people,
Starting point is 00:32:33 and not the people for the Saturday. The Saturday is made for the people. The people not so
Starting point is 00:32:38 did the other things the other things the way. They were the model was the that was the
Starting point is 00:32:46 priority. And Jesus he said that no, that is the people. It's the people the
Starting point is 00:32:53 that has the priority. The Sabbath, and with in the total of the law, had been promulgated for the benefit of
Starting point is 00:33:02 the nation of Israel. But God never took the intention of that the Jews were to give to the law. What he was
Starting point is 00:33:10 that they were that they were a man. The law was a way to get to a end.
Starting point is 00:33:15 God said that the Jews amaran to his progimo. The law was also a
Starting point is 00:33:20 way to get to not you did you did you did you did you were in
Starting point is 00:33:27 of being with the Voluntary of God H, men that were dedicated to protect the law and the same doctrine
Starting point is 00:33:35 in the man of them to Jesus. And the tragic is that they were they were they were
Starting point is 00:33:41 the reason the existence of that the law. So the the church vyingdon more
Starting point is 00:33:48 for here, is full of examples of what what we so when we when we
Starting point is 00:33:54 we're we can't we we're to be the reason for the which the
Starting point is 00:33:58 church was instituted has the same has been a reason why a question, it's a lot of
Starting point is 00:34:14 a purpose to say, and a moment in the whole all the ideas new and innovator that was a year ago, 20 years
Starting point is 00:34:23 after, 20 years after, 30 years after are now Roman, now, in tradition, as I say when we're when we're
Starting point is 00:34:31 how to do you and we're the why, is the serpent in the desert.
Starting point is 00:34:41 We're adorating a vaca a vaca a when we say, we say,
Starting point is 00:34:46 we're to come this of my body, I'm this other partied, do this
Starting point is 00:34:50 every memory to me, I'm when we're when when we when we
Starting point is 00:34:54 when we we're Why prefer to not to take it? The same is the baptism. If it's like to understand that I'm not getting to die and nacing to beckyce. When we learn that to accept
Starting point is 00:35:12 to Christ, you have to pass up in the front and the people repeat like a lot in the world, it's a catasot, tarot, in my heart, accepta. When the people repite like a lor, while mastic a chicle,
Starting point is 00:35:24 he learned how to do, but no, you know, but not you know what he's doing. So it's an ocean of convinced in the place of a group of converted. And not I'm talking to modernize the form
Starting point is 00:35:36 or that I'm a loquite that wants to modernize the world. I'm going to preckar with gin rotos, camperita of quero, chamarrita of quero,
Starting point is 00:35:45 put me a tattooage in all the body and that's not going to be different. I can be more modern, but if
Starting point is 00:35:52 defiant my model, for the mission, I'm being a Christian no legalist, but with botas chetas, botas cool, and prendas of sarah. But some people think that if I'm put the botita and the gin, oh, we're the church of the loquitos of now, if we defend them the model of
Starting point is 00:36:09 the botita and the gin roto, we're going to like the German that's saying, so do you do, the only thing that's the thing is the thing. So we're a little more cool, nothing more. So, we're not to us to decide. We're going to be the guardians of a model or we're going to be a a church that he encante to assist the
Starting point is 00:36:29 people that is a rote. We're going to be a church that the people who don't have to come?
Starting point is 00:36:35 I grew I'm going to people that the church was for a person that's that's
Starting point is 00:36:40 that's people. I'm I'm too familiarized with that class of church.
Starting point is 00:36:46 I always I'm a legalist in recuperation. I'm still still still still sitting in secret to
Starting point is 00:36:54 the reunions of legalists anonymous. So I went to the room and I go, hello, I'm going to, hello, Dante, I'm going to legalists
Starting point is 00:37:02 anonymous and I do therapy. The problem, in that then, was that we're going to we're going to, in the church that I was born, what significable to act as a person salve? So we had to decide
Starting point is 00:37:18 what were the pecados that could commit the person salve and what were the evidence of that the person still not was a
Starting point is 00:37:27 other of all the other things, as I'm that the lists were going going to
Starting point is 00:37:33 the years. Peor even. Those lists of people never coincid with
Starting point is 00:37:38 any list of the other that are in the new
Starting point is 00:37:40 Testament. During long time the divorce was in our
Starting point is 00:37:45 list. I had to get to get to I'm to say,
Starting point is 00:37:49 to to put to to years, well, there's to err that he's a murder, that he'll get a cancer, and if he gets a cancer, and if he gets a little bit of a disgraceado,
Starting point is 00:38:02 and he'd be there. And apart, the type was with a mark, divorced. So, something, something else. Ser madge solitaire, in my time, it was the poor, because the peccas no prescribia never. Because, while the pique
Starting point is 00:38:16 crecée, and corretiaeva for the temple, it was a recordatorio of the metida of pata. So, if at the The more the chick, then she was married, and the new, no, no, no, no, no, no, and the other one, but, and that nene, who is?
Starting point is 00:38:30 The other, the other man, Malia. And is, and is to her, Malia? And that's, the kid, he had 30 years, the pelon in the pat, so, and he was, and he'd stilling, recordant to the mom that was mad a solterer. So, never, never, so, never,
Starting point is 00:38:45 So, it's included in that list, the codice, to the celos, not the calumnia, nor the chism, no, or the murmuration. In those churches,
Starting point is 00:38:57 the languages were bifida. The people had been all the world. And the people rota, the people that had problems, no, was there were in the world to get to
Starting point is 00:39:08 those churches, and to talk to their luchas and his temores. It was like to enter an hospital, and the first that they said,
Starting point is 00:39:14 don't have to the disease Cae. So what they were tap it's a all the whole,
Starting point is 00:39:20 for the whole, for the situation. My my wife said, my mom
Starting point is 00:39:25 said, what's tap, not it's cura well. And tap the problems
Starting point is 00:39:30 maintain a person in a favor of the church. Because as the
Starting point is 00:39:34 people, all the people love, or it's but only
Starting point is 00:39:37 it's to keep to the that's the people
Starting point is 00:39:42 and the churches destined for persons salves or santa are replet of hypocritas. It's more it's
Starting point is 00:39:51 impresindible to be hypocritic to form part. That's the first requisite that you can't
Starting point is 00:39:58 in the course in the course of the time. A part of now, it's to be
Starting point is 00:40:03 a lot of my matrimoion is a disaster, shh, no, no
Starting point is 00:40:06 confices. Yes, but my marido, no, no, the woman subject to
Starting point is 00:40:10 the jeta's the that he does the marido, but no can't quecharse. Yes, but I have a problem economic, no, in the name of the Lord, 10 me,
Starting point is 00:40:20 offrende and he's going to go to pay the rent, no it, no-do- So, the transparency and the sincerity are dangerous as in an church created for people of churches
Starting point is 00:40:33 that fines. So who's is mal-parated in a church that people that finge? The grace. It's difficult. to extend
Starting point is 00:40:43 the grace to people that think that not it's that he
Starting point is 00:40:49 doesn't and it is difficult to admit that they need to when they are going to
Starting point is 00:40:55 receive. So, if all a all the people finge. I said
Starting point is 00:41:00 that not to keep to people. Nothing says the word hypocrite
Starting point is 00:41:04 with more velocity that the that the Christians expect that the
Starting point is 00:41:10 that the people that get in the comporting as the people, when the
Starting point is 00:41:14 middle of the people are the people not not the part of
Starting point is 00:41:19 the they're they're reclame to the rest. The Apostol
Starting point is 00:41:23 Paul says in Colosense chapter 4 verse 5 and
Starting point is 00:41:27 andad sabiam for those of the afura redimying the
Starting point is 00:41:34 time be your word always with grace sasoned with
Starting point is 00:41:43 salt for that you know, so I'm I've seen for years many times many times
Starting point is 00:41:51 that were replet of salt and sasonado with a little of grace in a bit of gregn't with salons
Starting point is 00:41:59 with salt as soon as the apostle all red saladissimo and something and something little chiquit
Starting point is 00:42:03 of grace not so not so not that not that not that is that is that is
Starting point is 00:42:10 the reason for the why many people without people are people are not being being being being standing
Starting point is 00:42:17 without the world of the spectrum of the spectrum I'll say for that nobody can't
Starting point is 00:42:24 get to those who affirmation that the church is for the world whatever any way
Starting point is 00:42:29 that's a time you when I was youngcito we called churches liberals the
Starting point is 00:42:34 the that the people the people are not the grace, is the
Starting point is 00:42:39 truth. Because the truth in the tone of something of absolute, not is a media
Starting point is 00:42:46 truth. We are not we're not people, we need to correction, we're we're
Starting point is 00:42:53 we need a salvator, that's clear. We need a second opportunity, we need a second
Starting point is 00:42:59 national. So, as I'm testigo, of all what Jesus did, the
Starting point is 00:43:05 Apostol Juan resumed the enfo in the enfoque of Jesus of the same the way. He says,
Starting point is 00:43:11 and the verb is a man, and habitou between us and we've contemplated his glory. You can
Starting point is 00:43:18 look at Juan 1.14. And we've contemplated the glory. The glory that corresponds to the
Starting point is 00:43:23 unigentito of the father, is a great, and of the factary that you
Starting point is 00:43:29 can't be you know never this, but it's good that not forget these two
Starting point is 00:43:33 words, gratitude and and the , I'll do another again.
Starting point is 00:43:38 Grace and and three verses. Juan, he's the same idea.
Starting point is 00:43:46 The law, the law that's made by Moses, while that the grace and
Starting point is 00:43:51 the truth, we're God, Moses did the law, but Christ
Starting point is 00:43:56 brought grace and truth. And I me me really that.
Starting point is 00:43:59 Grasia full of grace and the balance, not the equilibrium between personification of
Starting point is 00:44:08 those I want to you're going to press your attention to because you go to the head
Starting point is 00:44:12 as well to be the Jesus, not came to to get a between grace and and what
Starting point is 00:44:20 we're to make we do we do we to make a a church not a little legalistic,
Starting point is 00:44:25 and also a church came and he brought a measure a great-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-cli-cli-a-cli-lis. and the truth in all the people with the person with the
Starting point is 00:44:38 man was in when he was called when Jesus he said to the woman trapped in adulterio I'm not I'm sorry
Starting point is 00:44:46 and not go backer in other words you're a peccator what you did is a peccato is bad
Starting point is 00:44:52 well I don't I don't I'm going to do you know what you you're you're I'm trying
Starting point is 00:44:58 to bring exactly that you not you the grace so Jesus there not
Starting point is 00:45:05 He, he's not to get to look at an equilibrium between the grace and the very, well, too, you're talking, to say, that brutia, that's doing bad. No, you're doing well. No, re-bago the law. No, he put,
Starting point is 00:45:17 too, conditions to the grace. Well, adulterer, da three months of fruit. A-per-all-if-ed-all-en-sue for three months, and you do you grace. No, he did the word, and he gave the grace.
Starting point is 00:45:30 He gave a dose complete of both the things. So, our comprehension of the grace that Jesus has seen you
Starting point is 00:45:39 is the way that we're going to make the person to get the person, Dante, don't talk about the grace,
Starting point is 00:45:45 that the people will start to get to get a, to get, the people go to go to be there
Starting point is 00:45:55 and a lot. And to be our application erroneous of the people, What would have the church if I didn't feel more?
Starting point is 00:46:06 After demonio, me said from from the pulpit. Now, in Jesus we discover we that the things don't have to be so.
Starting point is 00:46:14 The grace to be a very badgeria the level of the level of the more digerable
Starting point is 00:46:20 no let's let me call them a error. It's a piqued. When when we're to Jesus
Starting point is 00:46:28 to the evangeles, we all about the what it implicates the the people at the same time that no condemn the people who are the people who are the only
Starting point is 00:46:38 group of persons to the people who are continually, were the religious uncapaces to offer grace the same people that were used
Starting point is 00:46:50 to the truth to control by the cause the term and the condemnation is what always wanted to control the
Starting point is 00:46:56 temple. So it's easy to create a model of an idea in that all is a the truth. And all is doctrine. No,
Starting point is 00:47:05 the hair hair. Cauts. How it's just it? Fricade, if you have very adjusted the fadda that she's all right? That no, they're depiland. Because he's put a tattooage. Averigua if this tattooage was trailed to the ante or he put it now. It's easy to do a church and it's a good. And it's just a lot of church. But Jesus no de facto in the mess of the two options. Let me say this. Lear the Evangelios.
Starting point is 00:47:34 And you will cost much work to find a only example I'm a question, in that Jesus has been
Starting point is 00:47:42 justice acquitative. So, he chose 12 apostles 12 apostolets in three centenaries
Starting point is 00:47:51 that there 12. They gave a preferential to three of those 12 that the
Starting point is 00:47:56 other not tookier. No sano to allos, no alimented
Starting point is 00:48:02 to all the multitudes asambrientas. Because Jesus not was a socialist. Not a- to be, a-beckon, how so-soborrow? Repartan to them, all the other, too, all the people
Starting point is 00:48:11 have to have the same. He was in the defile to invite for himself to the house of sake-eo. Why that's ake-o? No know, because no other. Because it's not people more
Starting point is 00:48:24 purer. She assured that one's extra-s stills with life, but it was made to be the lastero. And what do you say of the stank of Betesda. Jesus says that
Starting point is 00:48:35 he's called a only man between many people, because we're to do that. We're the miracle of Betesda.
Starting point is 00:48:42 There's a lot of the people who people who's people. I'm imagine to Jesus coming into
Starting point is 00:48:48 a point of feet of saying, permission, pardon, with permission, but don't, pardon,
Starting point is 00:48:54 with the until he he can't, he says, you want to say, and Jesus he's just
Starting point is 00:48:58 he, and he's and he And then, he's Abro Perviso, Permisso, excuse, chico, Permissot! Because he doesn't
Starting point is 00:49:06 a crusade of sanity. And so it's between the people, and he's been that's been sanado. You know,
Starting point is 00:49:15 that's not just. Now, to see what what you do you see? The young
Starting point is 00:49:20 rich, that to get to that's what you're to do? What do you do?
Starting point is 00:49:25 And uners to the group of the people of the And some months more later, he susurra, the criminal crucified
Starting point is 00:49:31 with the same day that today is going to encounter in the paradise. Why not he pere the same that he asked the young rich? In serious, de, really? One of them has to consangar
Starting point is 00:49:43 the rest of his life to Jesus and all his finances and the other is curtail when a minute in the reloge. And so I can't and continue. It's like an apparent
Starting point is 00:49:53 incoherency of Jesus that was like loco to the leaders religious those believers religiouses. It was always the New Testament. Sometimes we're going to be a lot. No, we can't explain. And Juan
Starting point is 00:50:07 it's attribution to the compromise of Jesus inquebrantable with the grace and the truth. I'm the impression that in some place
Starting point is 00:50:17 in the apparent fault of justice or incoherency or that lack of constance of Jesus or that fact of equality of equality, of socialism.
Starting point is 00:50:26 There's a piece on the form in that we're in the way we're going to this day to do you. I've worked
Starting point is 00:50:33 in churches that have tried to be just as we're going to operate justice and then the justice was a
Starting point is 00:50:41 excuse to not comprometer to not to be a question of a coerencia is a questioner to
Starting point is 00:50:48 do not a good the leaders of the church were in the excuse and if we do
Starting point is 00:50:54 we do we do we're we're a fila, have to do it and for all the and why don't
Starting point is 00:50:58 not get food? If we're to get to make a time, they're going to think
Starting point is 00:51:01 that we're a lot of a church not in a church, and it's a chomble, the liegeer,
Starting point is 00:51:08 of a cartoner, as a country, and as a page. And to that's
Starting point is 00:51:14 no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm so. I don't
Starting point is 00:51:20 say, if not you can't say, if no, we can't we're we're not
Starting point is 00:51:26 nothing for nobody, because no we can't do for everyone. And the best enfoque consists in to do for one what you'd do you want to do. Because for one,
Starting point is 00:51:38 that's the difference. I always I appreciate that a pastor of Brazil he predicated my mom. Mom, he was a infirm of cancer,
Starting point is 00:51:48 and peser to 35 kilos, not was known. The church was a chiquitita in the Barrio of Vizzo in
Starting point is 00:51:57 Buenos Aires, and that predicated, and he said, and what's going to say the difference, the old, and the dearie? The other one, because he predicated
Starting point is 00:52:05 my mom, today, his little, that in that was a time, he was he was getting to all the world, to
Starting point is 00:52:12 get to this platform. Imagineate what I said, no, what's going to do you do you do, let's say, we
Starting point is 00:52:19 do we go to not, we've been a girl, that has been in a farmer of cancer. I've I've seen the intent of the
Starting point is 00:52:26 churches for actuarer to a way coherent, but also I've seen how the dedication to that coherency is interpone in the way of the ministry. For that has a beauty special, the grace and the
Starting point is 00:52:41 truth, because they're complemented, because are necessary sambas, no are the extrems opus'posed of a poste, are ingredients essential, and with doses massivas of grace, and, of
Starting point is 00:52:53 really, no we'll have a church a good we're in this. Or record to
Starting point is 00:53:02 this. Because there's someone who can say, well, but it's not so it's a
Starting point is 00:53:07 great, maybe maybe it's maybe to be a calzone quittal. Or
Starting point is 00:53:14 you're in a moment of your life, no me you know, or you are you
Starting point is 00:53:19 or you are a decision a tonta to convert to be a disaster.
Starting point is 00:53:24 And when you were your version more desastroza, what you've got, legalism? No, we'd want the legalism. If we were a disaster, my papa, lived a borracho. You thought, you'd think, you'd be thinking?
Starting point is 00:53:43 What necessitated? What did you? No, you know, how it has to be the church? Now, what necessitated you? What did you? When we'd say, we'd say, we'd say, we'd like us
Starting point is 00:53:51 accepten as we're we're not we can't we're like so I'm saying that other I'm going to do you know we can't we're not the song that can't when millions corren
Starting point is 00:54:09 from the altar from the campaigns of Bill Graham that's like I'm that's what Jesus is what Jesus is for me, for you and that's what we need to import. Lucas
Starting point is 00:54:23 says that the church start in great, no? And then the gentiles start to
Starting point is 00:54:30 hear that Jesus resuscit and they're and they're and they're they're in to join to get to
Starting point is 00:54:37 the group of Jesus. That was a group that was formed especially by
Starting point is 00:54:41 Jews. And many of the Christians Jewish not were prepared to
Starting point is 00:54:46 that that come to the gentusa. Jesus was the messiah of them. And until the day of
Starting point is 00:54:53 we're playing for who has the exclusivity of Jesus even in the evangelical. No, no, look at the quadrangular, no, no,
Starting point is 00:55:02 those of the Assembly, no, no, those of the Union. But you're you're going to the Assembly of Suisa or you're the
Starting point is 00:55:08 Asamblea of those Tano? Because, lookate, that the Tano uses mantilla, and we're always playing
Starting point is 00:55:12 for the stupidity of who has the real Jesus. In that all then, it was going to
Starting point is 00:55:16 that's it was a while. And, on some, apostles, went to Regions Gentile to proclaim that Jesus
Starting point is 00:55:24 had resuscitated. So where I was? The Gentiles creed. And while the Jews Messianic,
Starting point is 00:55:31 this was the problem, not they were they as they were as they're as they had been
Starting point is 00:55:38 they've thought, but not they had been converted. In the people, the Gentiles
Starting point is 00:55:43 did, they had converted of the paganism. but not consider them the gentile that his conversion
Starting point is 00:55:50 was a conversion to be a good news. Listen, because this has much to be with what you now. Now we're
Starting point is 00:55:56 to relate to this to the ecclesia. The gentil was to convertia because he had resuscited to the
Starting point is 00:56:03 Lord, and that generated a problem for the Jews that amabed the model. How is
Starting point is 00:56:09 possible that someone that someone is a leader of a Jewio and not he wants
Starting point is 00:56:14 to be to be But how can you say? You said that Jesus was a Argentino
Starting point is 00:56:19 and you want to you're going to you're you're a regento and you know what
Starting point is 00:56:27 you're what you're a something like something that's a like when the legalists
Starting point is 00:56:33 say those who are one they're one of those chikers that
Starting point is 00:56:38 they're not even they're they're how you know how they know
Starting point is 00:56:42 the chases that's that can't like because they use pantalones I mean, no, no, no, no,
Starting point is 00:56:49 yeah, they're going to because they use pantalones, no, no, no, no, no, no, they know,
Starting point is 00:56:52 they're not, no, no, no, they're very much the practice of those gentiles were considered as sacrilegas,
Starting point is 00:57:00 sacrilegas, like, like, like, eregias, in special, the habits of alimentation,
Starting point is 00:57:08 apart of these types of these types of the sabbado, the, of the purification ceremonial, of the traditions.
Starting point is 00:57:18 So what was the solution? Exigil to the gentile that they were to do a list of things to do to do things to do. If convertors to Judaism, if it would be it
Starting point is 00:57:29 a single, like that's well, that's a theology of Brea, that's not that would have been a problem.
Starting point is 00:57:35 But for the men would have something more than that to be to be to be
Starting point is 00:57:40 a operation chirurgic. As as we said we're Domino, baptism, traigua, and I
Starting point is 00:57:48 I'd say, the Saturday, trygant tigera. And a tachito to try to things. Echon, one says,
Starting point is 00:57:57 a men's that you're circumcited conformed the tradition of Moises, no can be safe. Fifate,
Starting point is 00:58:05 bo, the type. They'd have been to Jesus, the degraciated in the
Starting point is 00:58:10 cross. Resuscit- and this He says, no, no, no, no, but not are circumcited. How do you? You'd say, you're going to
Starting point is 00:58:18 die for those who have been prepuci? And that's at the principle. Because we always
Starting point is 00:58:24 we're trying to sum to some to the grace. Well, we're well, it's well, Jesus,
Starting point is 00:58:29 more circumcision. Jesus, more cells in your house. You have to have a cellul than you have a cellv
Starting point is 00:58:34 so, you must the pre-enquent and the recontrancuit of the leadership, Jesus more
Starting point is 00:58:40 congregate in the Semana. Jesus, more deismos and offrendas, or primacy, if not so is a little. It's a custom of a customary to adder things to the grace. And in this case, other to smetters' in the circumcision, it was to be submitted to all the law of Moises.
Starting point is 00:58:58 Imagineate the poor Gentile. That no saw any who were, Moises. Yeah, guard the law, and it was difficult for the Judeo-promedio. You know what was for the Gentile, to pretenders the and let's give to years. They had to reorganize all the life and he was going to
Starting point is 00:59:13 to get all the life to learn, to learn the people who are to learn of the nacemient. It is necessary circumcindar
Starting point is 00:59:19 to the law of the way of Moses. Let me imagine the type. Then, after a debate, Peter,
Starting point is 00:59:28 he's direct to the group and he says, without doing a distinction, none, between us and us,
Starting point is 00:59:35 and us God, purified his the heartons for the faith, chaschos. And then he's made a debate, it's
Starting point is 00:59:45 called the concili of Jerusalem, it's made all the debate. Let's ask a question to
Starting point is 00:59:50 the olden, and he says, why they're they're to provoke to God,
Starting point is 00:59:57 putting in the cogote, in the coel of these disciples a yugo, a pus, a piece,
Starting point is 01:00:03 that neither his antepasasas nor his abelos, nor you can support. It will be in version
Starting point is 01:00:10 Dante about today Jews, chishos and colleagues colleagues to who are
Starting point is 01:00:18 to whom we're not even we can't we can't do that we're going to put that
Starting point is 01:00:26 car to the gentiles it was an argument powerful and agrega no we
Starting point is 01:00:32 we're we're we're we're we're we're that they of
Starting point is 01:00:35 the the Lord. And there is the seat to Peter, because he had talked to to talk to and all look to Jacob. Because Jacob
Starting point is 01:00:45 was the middle-ur-mano of Jesus. And he was the leader most influential in that church of Jerusalem. Not you forget that the fact that Jacobo accept
Starting point is 01:00:56 to his own his own as a messiah, that said much. And it he's not for all what he says in the scripture that Jacob had
Starting point is 01:01:03 arrived to the faith. All apparently, he came to convince us after the identity of
Starting point is 01:01:08 Jesus after the resurrection. After he resuscited he said, wow, I was the
Starting point is 01:01:13 middle of the messias. So, Jacob, after to cite a short
Starting point is 01:01:18 passage of Prophet, Mos, conclude with this that me is a magnificent,
Starting point is 01:01:24 scribal on the table of your carlo to the cuell, this,
Starting point is 01:01:27 this, this, this has to redefine our idea of our idea of the
Starting point is 01:01:34 are in Echon 15-19. 15-19. Jacobo says, "'Muchas, I consider that "'you have to "'to put in travas "'a the gentiles
Starting point is 01:01:48 "'that's the gentiles "'ke' to put "'palos to the "'rue. "'Me incant to that declaration. "'Dehend to "'Palus to put "'palos to the
Starting point is 01:02:01 "'Ruade. "'I'm imprimed "'that declaration of Jacob. They'll get to put carg to the gentiles. The time I have been in my office. I see all the days. I think the declaration of Jacob should be the point of reference
Starting point is 01:02:18 to the part of which they should have taken all the decisions of the church. The church doesn't do not, nothing that difficulte to a manner unnecessary that the people
Starting point is 01:02:30 are to come to God. That is ser pyrgyz. No, mirrocy. That is to see the stinson. That is to be a perjury-de-tropeso, interponers in the way of those who want to get to God. Ah, and not you take photos
Starting point is 01:02:48 on Instagram, with your family? No, you're not a piergues of trepioes. Piergah of tropeaso, is to put up the wheel to the people rota that's going to get to God.
Starting point is 01:03:00 And after that declaration of Jacob, the things not were so, never kept like that. Because if you studied, even a,
Starting point is 01:03:05 even a course-elemental of the history of the church, You know, is that always, always have been like a force of gravity that invisible that tries to make retroceding to the church
Starting point is 01:03:15 in a direction to the religion caerente of grace, to the legalism, or other way, will be at legalism. And that's present in every generation
Starting point is 01:03:25 with diverses etiquettes, diverses stilos, diverses, so it's like, here we've been the sanctity, preferive to be
Starting point is 01:03:34 many and santios and much and pecators. with that message that predicate any one of the church can't the titles, but it's the same. The church is
Starting point is 01:03:46 being made sure for a person of the church. The church is for those who accept the mark and they're to obtain to a
Starting point is 01:03:53 whole of doctrines made of the club elitista. And what does that a church that's a lotteria
Starting point is 01:04:01 of gregers without ataud of lus with puttackas comod buttoe of luxury. For that I
Starting point is 01:04:09 I'm going to the leaders and they're there. Our mission is critical in this moment.
Starting point is 01:04:14 We have the responsibility to guide to the church in the same direction that he's originally
Starting point is 01:04:23 actually, Ecclesia. And as leader, our task consists in protect the
Starting point is 01:04:32 integrity of the mission around of Jesus. We have the responsibility to ensure us
Starting point is 01:04:40 that the the church, that is a under our care of our carey leaders, pastors,
Starting point is 01:04:45 continue to functioning like a reunion of people that's in the process
Starting point is 01:04:50 a place, the church, the church is a place where came those
Starting point is 01:04:54 are those are those exepticos, those who solian to have
Starting point is 01:05:00 faith, the rotos, the those kebrantado, just also also with the consagrated, the
Starting point is 01:05:05 informed those are those are those The divorceados, the heterosexuals, the homosexuals, all those have to get.
Starting point is 01:05:13 And the Lord has the hour. All right. All has to be around the declaration of Peter, that Jesus is the son of the God vivient, and not so he reveled carren, and the same. It's doloroso that there are tantasies that have been casted with a culture designed by Christians,
Starting point is 01:05:33 only for Christians, fabricing grass, to sustain the fabric of grass. a succultura in the one we're talking about the grand commission we're going to
Starting point is 01:05:47 we're going to we're not going to reorganize the churches around the grand commission to us they're saying continually when
Starting point is 01:05:57 you're going to put an a church there no you're going to do you're going to do you you're going to
Starting point is 01:06:04 give them dooms no and for what's that question not those atheos evangelic and for what
Starting point is 01:06:11 how do you how do to do I go, for to give the people, and you think that's that you're
Starting point is 01:06:16 to think that's that you're going to to give to do you're to do you say,
Starting point is 01:06:21 look at the ministry of Jesus. No, I'd have to eat to eat these 5,000
Starting point is 01:06:28 if there are like 100,000 in Jerusalem that are in food.
Starting point is 01:06:33 And those are many churches, in the those members are
Starting point is 01:06:38 about the grace, can't ask a sombrose grace, amais grace.
Starting point is 01:06:47 But They create cultures where no exists the grace and where only those who play with their regla, they're sent in bienvenous. And even those get to say that if you os to be able to the covertura, you're going to bea coronavirus. Really?
Starting point is 01:07:04 The word? Like I said Jean-Carrie. Really? I grew see. I was with the image of a diomathetic that pesable my good the sovres and the malas in a balance and always me found out of life. And for
Starting point is 01:07:22 some reason, no had all jesus of the evangelists. The tradition tried to maintain me alighed to Jesus. In my English, it was a little in the New Testament, because, of course, insist, with the New Testament, no, you can't, if you amass the control, you have to maintain the people awayada of what he did
Starting point is 01:07:40 Jesus. Of tant, in a time, in time, you, you're going to the story of Jesus to say that Jesus, Jesus, montu a poly a burrow new, so the pastor mercese is a stupierces is so,
Starting point is 01:07:53 but very rare that beas that you know that's because the who wants to not the not be able to
Starting point is 01:08:00 to talk to talk. The new they want to be that the bestions of God, or a human, you know, they're not,
Starting point is 01:08:14 they don't know they're not, they're not, because the rest is renunciable, cross. Let's let's all.
Starting point is 01:08:23 Gracia. In the New Testament are in a crossifical that's going to do the
Starting point is 01:08:30 curcissions, without for the baptism, and you jockey. If you not you're
Starting point is 01:08:36 a dose of grace and the better, better, I'm going to say that
Starting point is 01:08:39 Salomomom of David. There's many people that not that we can't to see
Starting point is 01:08:45 to Jesus with a new I started to see to the Bible with with eyes new. And I did know that grace means that no
Starting point is 01:08:55 there's nothing that can do you know, you know, you know, you know, there's nothing that you can't do you make more. No amount of oration, no quantity of adjuno, any congresses of
Starting point is 01:09:08 empowerment, nor seminary, will be that God me more. Demostrammel-melo to the Bible. She hasune for other
Starting point is 01:09:15 thing. So, so he or a other other thing, and so that's it, and so that's the other thing. Not for that God God's time more. Gracia also means that there's nothing that we can't do for that God does ammens.
Starting point is 01:09:28 No, quantity of racism, of homosexualism, orgulio, pornography, adulterio, and assassination, even we're going to make less. The grace is
Starting point is 01:09:40 that God does not much as a God infinite is capable of to love. And there's a cure very simple for the
Starting point is 01:09:47 people that that's the love of God and put in the hell in the truth of
Starting point is 01:09:50 and the Bible. And examine the class of people that God love. But,
Starting point is 01:09:56 but, but, without acepcia, eh? One can say, and he said,
Starting point is 01:10:00 and he said, the apostle, San Peter. And it seems like that's right of
Starting point is 01:10:04 us. He's a man, a traitor, a negator, a negator of Jesus. We're
Starting point is 01:10:11 we're going to the Bible, Paul, Pablo. Pablo, was a terrorist
Starting point is 01:10:15 persegid , until that he took an encounter with the Lord, a miradita for this gallery, you're going to keep that instinct of to think that you have to do something. So, chakish, leaders of the church, let's do the churches,
Starting point is 01:10:34 let's do that's possible because of that Jesus was possible. I'm going to terminate with this story. The pastor Tony Campolo I used to tell an interesting testimony. A certain way, because he was to participate
Starting point is 01:11:00 as an orator in a conference. He was going to go to the hotel and because he had a defasage internal of orario, no could not be to dream. The night was obscure, the streets of Hawaii silenciosas, all the world was done.
Starting point is 01:11:16 And he was very much, the eyes like. And he would say, day, after my stomach rugia of the
Starting point is 01:11:24 and it was in-cern to be a exception of a old and a little cafeteria
Starting point is 01:11:30 at the final of a alleyjo he sent one of those banks of the
Starting point is 01:11:36 barra a man regortete attend there there and
Starting point is 01:11:40 there were two three of the madru were they
Starting point is 01:11:45 went and saying scandosom scandalously, eight or nine prostitutas very provocative, vestidas for work.
Starting point is 01:11:57 They were in their work that night. They sat down at the barra, and at the instant, the pastor Campolo was encountered incommoded roaded by this group of prostitutes
Starting point is 01:12:10 that fumabes, they'd say, malas, words, grosseries. So, So, the repent, the other, the other, and says, "'Sabia, is that tomorrow is my
Starting point is 01:12:23 "'Cuplea-year? Cumple-Ans? "'Cu't 39 years.' "'A-lok that the company, in form of burlough, "'and he says, what's the "'a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. "'The-cust-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-oh, "'Why, that's so-mal-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-i. Why, always me re-baughes?
Starting point is 01:12:43 I don't want to anything of you. I'm saying, only that tomorrow is my birthday. Because I was to be a birthday and never in my life me celebrated
Starting point is 01:12:51 one. And at hearing these words, the pastor took a decision. He was sat down to
Starting point is 01:12:58 the barra and he was going to all the women should have gone. Then
Starting point is 01:13:02 immediately he's he's to the barra, he says, these women come here
Starting point is 01:13:08 all the nights. Yes, and the question the the here? Ah, that's is called Agnes.
Starting point is 01:13:15 That's also all the nights after to work. And the pastor says, you think that we can
Starting point is 01:13:21 organize a little a little family here in the cafeteria tomorrow? And the
Starting point is 01:13:26 type of bar says, yes, it would be great, because Agnes is good
Starting point is 01:13:30 people. Poverceita, he's to live to this, but always is trying to
Starting point is 01:13:35 help to others. He's a kid, and never did nothing for her.
Starting point is 01:13:41 I know I've known ago, so with the Ombred, they made plans, the pastor and the man of the barra. The pastor he said that he was to regressal the next night, at the 2.5 of the morning, with some elements decorative of
Starting point is 01:13:55 Cumplea-Ans. And decorat all the bar, for that it was nice. The doggio of the bar had been told him in the carlo, about the fiesta of a couple-a-day, and for the 3-4th of the madrugat, they were, all the prostitutes of Onolulu.
Starting point is 01:14:09 All there. There was prostituta of paris to paris. And the pastor in me of them. At the 3.5 in point, the door was
Starting point is 01:14:18 Abriot. It was Agnes with his amigas. So, all grittado Feree a year.
Starting point is 01:14:25 That's Fela! Never they had surprised that way. Agnes perdi was the
Starting point is 01:14:32 compostura. He was to cry without and the duke not was used
Starting point is 01:14:38 to to have you to cry, a prostituta in his cafeteria with both to brag about him, he said, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, so plas. Then the pastor separated a chair and said, what is it, what is we're all together? And there, in that cafeteria big and sucia, the
Starting point is 01:14:58 middle of the prostitutes of Onolulu, it was to ask you to honor, at least and a half of the morning, for Agnes, for his life, for his son, for his health, for your salvation. The pastor he asked to God that came to
Starting point is 01:15:13 his life and that was good to be and when he came to do you the bar and he said to be the pastor, you
Starting point is 01:15:22 never me said that was a class of the church is that and Campolo responde I'm
Starting point is 01:15:29 I'm pertenes to the class of the party of the birthday to the day of the and the man's the
Starting point is 01:15:37 man's he's never That's not, that's not. No, exist in churches as if they were, I would assistir to one. I want to an church asy?
Starting point is 01:15:49 To what class of church you're going? What class of church you're doing? Let's give us of the advice of our brother Jacob,
Starting point is 01:15:59 of the middle of the Jesus. Libremus to our churches of all that is a difficult for those
Starting point is 01:16:07 who need to God. proclamemes the liberator Verdad of God we're communities that are characterized for the
Starting point is 01:16:17 grace and the truth let's be to bedece when the Lord said go, and we
Starting point is 01:16:23 let him to suppose that they said that they're that they're that can be
Starting point is 01:16:27 for favor we'll let's to be the church that
Starting point is 01:16:32 we've we're and I'm the we're the before the
Starting point is 01:16:37 pandemic but in the we're the much before we're in a simple temple. We're in
Starting point is 01:16:44 our church and we're a time to go back to do this. I'm going for all those who are the
Starting point is 01:16:51 first for the for those as Gnes are not indignous to enter to an
Starting point is 01:16:58 an edificio and I I'm I'm I'm to pray
Starting point is 01:17:03 to you pray to come Pampol or for those prostitutes. I want to
Starting point is 01:17:09 ask for the divorciated I want for those who are those who are who are in the life sexual
Starting point is 01:17:17 dissipated, for the burrachos, I want for the for the for the Lord.
Starting point is 01:17:28 For the mami solteras for the addicts for the people, I'm
Starting point is 01:17:38 want to for those that can't they can they can to consume
Starting point is 01:17:41 pornography pornography And if you're going to be in churches, but you're fingias. And you're trying. So, so I'm going to come back. And they were to liquidar. But I want to honor for you.
Starting point is 01:17:58 Because I am of the churches that are people rota. And they'reasan. And they're blessed. When they're asking, I'll say, I gopio the words Antoni Campolo. I'm going to River.
Starting point is 01:18:12 The church that works for prostitutes at 3 of the morning and he organizes a birthday the church that works for the
Starting point is 01:18:18 mothers solteras, the church that he or for the drug addicts the church to
Starting point is 01:18:24 the church to you can be your way to do you take the tattoos or you
Starting point is 01:18:28 do you the church that you love that you that is the church that
Starting point is 01:18:34 not subestim the task of the spirit santo that you to
Starting point is 01:18:37 change and to do You receive Like my sufficient Salvador Anota my
Starting point is 01:18:49 name and inscribes it in the book of the life. Thank you for favor Thank you
Starting point is 01:18:58 for Amarme as as I'm as I'm for amar me as well for
Starting point is 01:19:13 to go to me and to be to my I'm I'm sorry and a
Starting point is 01:19:19 disaster with my life. You God. Amen. Amin. Amin. No, knows what you know what you know. How
Starting point is 01:19:27 he loves the Lord? How do you love the Lord? I want for all those
Starting point is 01:19:36 who are there want to be there want to be your can't be the
Starting point is 01:19:43 unes of the spirit is here in a way incredible. You know, you know,
Starting point is 01:19:49 about you about the grace, about of the truth and the The respaldo of the spirit is
Starting point is 01:19:56 marvellouso. You can't see it. His presence, it will in your house where you're oh, the glory. Hallelujah! You know, the Lord. Father, I'm
Starting point is 01:20:11 I'm trying now for all those who are on the other side, that are the people, for the families. I'm on the squadron in combat, the squadron of buskeda, in combat against the
Starting point is 01:20:22 forces invasors for the people of the River Church. I'm for the families of and the river and those not are
Starting point is 01:20:27 that are that are you know that they're going to any that I'm that the
Starting point is 01:20:31 Spirit Sanchet these these words I've transmitted what I have
Starting point is 01:20:37 I've have been your intellect but I've heard for that the
Starting point is 01:20:41 spirit santo get where I'm that you can't you
Starting point is 01:20:47 love a time you that you know to that you don't that
Starting point is 01:20:51 that's that that's the to say, to those who have believed that the Lord those that the Lord has thought that the Lord
Starting point is 01:20:59 has been said to be for venceded with you, the Lord, me says that I'm saying, I'm here, nobody rebata of my
Starting point is 01:21:06 man, what is my, says the Lord. I'm trying for those who are those who are who are not for those who have
Starting point is 01:21:12 had been the forces, for the leaders. There are a lot of pastors that they're looking. There are
Starting point is 01:21:19 evangelists, apostol, prophets, that me are in all parts of the world, lexed
Starting point is 01:21:24 to sortart you, as sortartart, as a little of the disciples of these times you know,
Starting point is 01:21:30 my dearer, is time to redefine the church to say, we'll be to see,
Starting point is 01:21:35 we're a movement, we're a movement, we're doing of the spirit, yeah, because we're
Starting point is 01:21:48 saying, but the Lord, we do stento, my pastor, I I'm here I'm. I'm and I'm going to
Starting point is 01:21:55 sustenartre. And the same God, the same God that's justtube in the past. You're going to sustain now and in the new time,
Starting point is 01:22:04 in the new time that comes. I'm still thinking that something that's all right of the spirit and it's all. You can't
Starting point is 01:22:12 feel it? The unction of the spirit will all. Oh, the glory of the spirit is here today. I'm not
Starting point is 01:22:19 for those who are in the kids, the little titititos, The boys, pap, mommy, can't feel that a unison fresh, powerful,
Starting point is 01:22:28 gigantic, this that is here gets here, he gets, through the the panel, trespass, and it gets to
Starting point is 01:22:36 the most profound of your ser. We're and we're and recuperererable that church that
Starting point is 01:22:43 we've never to have been to bendigo to all the continent, bendigo to Europe,
Starting point is 01:22:49 Asia, America, Africa, Oceania, bendigo to the us mirrored
Starting point is 01:22:52 of the other the more all the all the all the all the
Starting point is 01:23:08 all right, and this to be much more to be to open or not an building, it's
Starting point is 01:23:16 a time a minute, it's a when God wants to that we're that we're We're a movement.
Starting point is 01:23:23 You've got in the images, the people who saw in the service of the time, in the images that get, a river that gets to the natives, to the aborigines, to places that, to the other people, not have been ever.
Starting point is 01:23:34 God has good methods to make us out. God has good methods for that when we're transformed in Kirche, he's transformed in Ecclesia another time. We love the oposcento
Starting point is 01:23:45 and we don't want to go out and we one day, God, God, God, permits, that Roma us for that we abandoning the posseantu alto and we'll even those gentiles that not want to be judicious.
Starting point is 01:23:59 You know, the Lord, and the salvation is abundant. The salvation is abundant. No, there's nothing that you can't do for that you am more. No, there's nothing to do you know less. Diger these words. Lever them to your heart. That God blesses. That God blesseser, that God blesseser,
Starting point is 01:24:14 to lighten your rostro over you, that you can't a dominolemae. And we're going to be here. firm as a talon of God, mediante the dominole of God.
Starting point is 01:24:22 God. Until the next. That's a good time. voice, saying,
Starting point is 01:25:03 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you're welcome you're a man,
Starting point is 01:25:11 and another another way, oh, oh, oh, well, welcome to
Starting point is 01:25:16 Riverd. Terdi, me cure the the of the hurted my
Starting point is 01:25:46 Jesus, all my my cargas you, you're all

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