Dateline NBC - A Shot in the Dark

Episode Date: July 2, 2020

In this Dateline classic, after Cara Ryan shoots her ex-husband and accuses him of threatening to kill her, police question her motive. Ryan speaks out to Keith Morrison about the outcome of the stunn...ing trial. Originally aired on NBC on May 12, 2017.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 A 3 a.m. knock at my door. They said, your dad's been shot and he's been killed. I screamed. The scariest thing that you'll ever go through. My whole world crumbled. Kara was the kind of teacher that students just love. She was a rock star at her school. With the same man for 20 years, enjoying life together by
Starting point is 00:00:26 the beach. The balcony was like our second living room. You can hear the waves on the shore. But she was all alone that night when she says an intruder burst into her bedroom. I was scared to death. I didn't have any other choice. You shot him? I shot him. She said the man attacked her. He told me he was going to kill me. She'd been assaulted. She defended herself. So why did others call it murder? My very first words were, she set him up. Kara's account kept changing. It hit me just how different all of these stories were and how unbelievable they were. Lies. It's all lies. What really made Kara pull that trigger? The rug was pulled out from underneath her.
Starting point is 00:01:11 She was shocked. And she was angry. Yes. A jury would have to decide. I did what I did because I had to, not because I wanted to. In this story, the killer was never in doubt. It was motive that was the mystery. I'm Lester Holt, and this is Dateline.
Starting point is 00:01:29 Here's Keith Morrison with A Shot in the Dark. It was night when it happened. Indian Rocks Beach, Gulf Coast of Florida, two blocks from the water. 10.05 p.m. Quiet at that hour, save for the odd passing car and snatches of neighborhood chatter carried on a cooling ocean breeze. There was a moon, almost full.
Starting point is 00:01:58 Carl Ryan was in bed, all alone, in a small darkened room. And then, fear, searing as a heart attack. The dogs. They were growling. That's one of the things that made me feel so scared. Someone was coming into her house. The door crashed open.
Starting point is 00:02:20 You said the lights were off. They were. Was it so dark you couldn't actually make out who this person was? It happened so fast and I was so afraid. She reached to the bedside table, opened the drawer, took out the gun. The one her ex-husband had given her, trained her to use. Aim for the mass, he'd always told her. Aim for the chest. She heard the approaching footsteps from the front door to the bedroom.
Starting point is 00:02:44 How many steps? Like 20. And then the front door to the bedroom. How many steps? Like 20. And then the shape in the bedroom doorway. The hand reaching toward the bed, reaching for her so close. She closed her eyes. She pulled the trigger. Was the shot fired a warning just to stay out of my bedroom? I was aiming for whoever it was.
Starting point is 00:03:03 That's what I was taught. You don't fire a warning shot. Kara called 911. You shot him? I shot him. With a gun? Like a gun. Okay. Kara gripped a gun for dear life, terrified the man would come back. Do you still have the gun? Yes, I do. Okay, ma'am. I'm getting help on the way. Okay, when did this happen? Just now. I was afraid. I was scared.
Starting point is 00:03:33 I didn't have any other choice. You fire the gun. When you pick up a gun... If he's coming at you, yeah. And he came into that room. So as he's coming in the room, did he say anything? No. Just was sort of coming in the room. Right. Is he still there? I don't know. I think he went coming in the room, did he say anything? No. Just was sort of coming in the room.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Right. Is he still there? I don't know. I think he went over to the neighbor's. Okay, is your door locked? No. Okay. He's scared to get up.
Starting point is 00:03:59 In fact, the man had run from her house and collapsed on the next door neighbor's doorstep, was lying there, bleeding. The neighbor dialed 911, too. He doesn't look very good. He's bleeding pretty bad. I understand. The neighbor was petrified, afraid of more gunfire, refused to open his door.
Starting point is 00:04:13 I'm afraid he's outside. He's outside on my deck. And you don't feel comfortable going outside and grabbing him? No, no. I completely understand. Peering out his window, the neighbor described the man's injuries. Where is he bleeding from? All I can see is the way he's lying is his arms. Hearing out his window, the neighbor described the man's injuries. But yes, it didn't look good. The first police cars arrived quickly, within a couple of minutes. I know you're scared, Kara, but the police are there, and they're going to protect you, but I need you to go to them.
Starting point is 00:04:55 The 911 operator told Kara, go outside to meet them, but leave the gun in the house. So she did. She put the gun down. But then, what was this? Video from a deputy's dash cam shows it. They told her, put your hands up. And then out on the street, they ordered her down on the ground, handcuffed her, put her in the back of a patrol car. What was it like out in the police car when they took you out there? Did you believe that they thought you were a victim or a perpetrator?
Starting point is 00:05:26 I think when I was greeted by a woman with a rifle and three other deputies with their guns drawn, I was ordered to my knees and handcuffed and put in the back. I felt like I didn't really know what was going on. A night of terror and a victim who suddenly felt accused. But is that really what happened? No simple tale, this. No, the question that greeted officers of the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office was not simple at all. Maybe Kara Ryan was a victim who defended herself.
Starting point is 00:05:56 And maybe she was something else altogether. What I'm asking for is consent for us to go in there, okay? Obviously it's a crime scene right now. What really happened in this little house by the beach in Paradise? Kara was about to tell her story in greater detail, but it would only raise more questions when we come back. I thought maybe I had grazed him. I said, why isn't the ambulance leaving? And Deputy Vaughn said, he doesn't need an ambulance. And I thought, oh, now he's really going to be mad. Wait, did Kara know the man she'd shot? Who was she talking about? car ryan squirmed in the back seat of the police car not arrested but confined strangely perhaps the police hadn't taken her cell phone she struggled to get to it was able to make a call
Starting point is 00:07:03 or two as she wrestled with the handcuffs behind her and wondered why she of all people was in this predicament. It was bizarre, surreal. It's still as if it didn't happen. It seemed so safe here, so perfect. Two blocks from powdery white beaches, truly a paradise. I love the beach and when when I found the house, it just took one second to look down the road and see the gulf and the other way to see the intercoastal, and I knew I had found my home. She shared this lovely place with John Joseph Rush, JJ. Evenings on the balcony, sipping drinks, inhaling the salty ocean air. The balcony was like our second living room, and we often lit a fire and enjoyed the nights out there where you can hear the waves on the shore.
Starting point is 00:07:54 J.J. was the sort of guy any woman could love. Twenty years they were together. And he wanted to please you. And he wanted to please me, yes. And he was a great friend. He loved his friends. He loved his daughter. He was very loving. He was very generous, very kind. But now Kara was in a police car. No JJ to protect her. What a strange place for a law-abiding middle-class person to
Starting point is 00:08:17 find herself. A high school journalism teacher, for heaven's sake. I loved it. What did you love about it? The kids. They can be very brilliant, and that's one of the best things about teaching. Close your classroom, and there's no adults. Here's a fellow teacher, Debbie Ryan. She was a rock star at her school. Then one day, more than two decades ago, a St. Petersburg police officer helped with a class project. And they both realized they had known each other since they were kids. That was J.J. Rush. And we spent that whole night just getting to know each other again. And a couple of years later, they married.
Starting point is 00:09:04 J.J.'s daughter from his first marriage, Megan, was their flower girl. She was icing on the cake. I was so happy to have a man who had a little girl. It can be complicated. It wasn't always easy, but I loved her like my own. But into every life, a little rain. Eight years into marriage, there was a bump. A big one. I had an affair.
Starting point is 00:09:29 With the principal at her school. That's when Kara and JJ separated and later divorced. He blamed himself for my affair and for our breakup. And for the year that we were separated and the year that we were divorced, he pursued me relentlessly. Blamed himself why? For not being there, for being out in a bar drinking or wherever he was, and leaving me to keep the home fires burning.
Starting point is 00:09:57 But they weren't apart for long. About a year after the divorce, they had a chance encounter on the beach. And I had just broken up with somebody. And I said, you know, God, if I'm going to find a nice man, he's going to be on the beach with a dog. And I look over and there's his dog and his daughter. And I thought, God, you know, that's not really funny. JJ must have been happy to see her. Two days later, she was surprised to find
Starting point is 00:10:26 him in her driveway. And I said, what are you doing here? And he said, I think we should get back together. And that was it. We got back together. They never remarried, but once back together, they called each other husband and wife. They wore wedding rings. They shared bank accounts. Wasn't perfect, of course. What life is. After 17 years on the force, a serious car accident left J.J. in too much pain to work on patrol. So he retired and became an investigator for the medical examiner's office. But things change. Their relationship was not like the old days anymore.
Starting point is 00:11:07 And then finally, J.J. told Cara he was moving out for good. It was the day after Valentine's Day, 2015. That was a surprise. He had just turned 45, and he woke up one day and he said, I need some space. I need to find myself. And I thought, what the heck? This came out of the blue? Out of the blue. I thought, what the heck is going on? Do you think he was having an affair or something?
Starting point is 00:11:28 I suspected. In fact, J.J. had met someone. A police sergeant named Lonnie Langtoe. They'd been friends for years, but became closer when J.J.'s relationship with Kara seemed, to him anyway, to hit a dead end. How was he feeling about all this? He was nervous about how she was going to react.
Starting point is 00:11:49 He knew that she'd be upset and angry, but at the same time, he was so excited. Anyway, Kara seemed to be moving on, too, with another police officer, a steamy relationship. March 2015, three weeks after J.J. moved out, is when it happened. The night of panic and terror. And now Kara was sitting in a police car. What was she thinking? Here's what she told us.
Starting point is 00:12:17 She was wondering, she said, why it was taking so long for paramedics to treat the intruder she shot. I thought maybe I had grazed him. And when I got into the cruiser, I said, what's going on? Why isn't the ambulance leaving? And Deputy Vaughn said, he doesn't need an ambulance. And I thought, oh, now he's really going to be mad. Now I'm really in trouble. What do you mean, now he's really going to be mad?
Starting point is 00:12:43 Well, I had fired a gun and called 911. He could have lost his job. Lose his job? He's going to be mad? Oh, yes. Kara Ryan knew who her intruder was. Knew him very well indeed. Coming up, Kara shares an eyebrow-raising new detail about what happened in her bedroom.
Starting point is 00:13:07 It was mortifying. What she claims set the intruder off. That's when he became violent. When Dateline continues. It was a full-blown crime scene now on this tiny street in Indian Rocks Beach. The street lit up with flashing lights, police lines drawn, crime scene investigators and detectives arriving. My name is John Sires, okay? I'm with the Sheriff's Office. Lead detective John Sires and his partner A A.J. Scarpatti, introduced themselves.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Asked Kara, who did she shoot? Did she know him? Without hesitation, she said... Hi. My ex-husband. I'm sorry, what do you call him? J. J. J. J. J. Rush. I call him J. That's right. Her ex-husband, J.J. Rush.
Starting point is 00:14:06 Small world. Detective Sires knew J.J. Had run into him at crime scenes. J.J. was a medical examiner's investigator. But why would Kara shoot him? Her answer was right there in the 911 call. My ex-husband came in and raped me. He raped you?
Starting point is 00:14:24 Uh-huh. I shot him. Rape? But that's all she said on the topic until about two hours later when she told the deputy she needed medical attention. I need to see a doctor. I've been hurt. It was Detective Sire's job to sort through it all and he began by showing Kara a bit of kindness. I went over and took the handcuffs off of her. She must have seemed pretty upset. She just shot her ex-husband. Not unduly. Really?
Starting point is 00:14:53 No. Mind you, according to Kara, as she sat there in the car, she didn't know how badly hurt J.J. was. So you thought he was alive still? Absolutely. In fact, J.J. died rather quickly, a fate that had a certain irony. It was he who gave Kara the gun, taught her how to shoot to kill in case the occasion ever arose. Was this an appropriate occasion? Detective Sires, charged
Starting point is 00:15:19 with finding out, understood he had a problem. Learned that from the deputy who put Kara in his car. We were told that she had used her telephone. That is, her cell phone, the one they failed to take away. Big mistake. Who did she call? What did she say? Sires knew the patrol car was equipped with a camera and microphone to record any conversations. So... I naturally asked, was this recorded? And I was told, no, it wasn't. There was video, just no audio for the first hour and a half Kara was in that patrol car.
Starting point is 00:15:58 Deputy forgot to turn it on. Mistake number two. A rather important one, as it would turn out. Anyway, they kept her in the car for almost three hours as they gathered evidence. A deputy finally took her to police headquarters, where the detectives made arrangements for an examination at a rape crisis center. Later, they looked at the tapes of Kara, recorded during that drive to the station. Did she appear to be emotionally battered or anything? I mean, if you watch the in-car camera, she's just kind of casually talking with him
Starting point is 00:16:29 about being in the law enforcement community and knowing different people. Yes, it was on my husband's cell phone. It was just kind of, you know, general conversation. She didn't seem so upset in that video. It was around 2 a.m. at police headquarters when Kara revealed why J.J. was at her place that night, even though he'd left her, moved out, three weeks earlier.
Starting point is 00:16:54 It was quite a story. Remember, Kara met a new man after the breakup with J.J., also a sheriff's deputy. His name was Scott, Scott Holderbaum. For a week or so, you were seeing this guy. You were having some, you know, it was fun. It was fun. I was giddy.
Starting point is 00:17:12 I was like a school kid, and my teacher in the room next to me, I'd run over there and say, he just texted me, what do I say? And I haven't really been on a date in 20 years. The day of the shooting, Kara texted Scott a very explicit text complete with intimate selfie, inviting him to come over for a tryst. So embarrassing. I had never sent suggestive text messages, let alone body parts. It was mortifying. I'd be sad if it wasn't so tragic. But it is tragic. So, but he couldn't come? Is that what happened to him? Oh, Scott was at work. He worked from 7 at night till 7 in the morning.
Starting point is 00:17:51 So, she said, she sent the very same X-rated selfie and a similar invitation to J.J. And J.J., though he was seeing someone else, came right over. Would he have thought of it as breakup sex? Sure. Maybe one last go around with my girl. A little nostalgic. There's a country song, we don't have to be lonely tonight, you know, and then tomorrow we'll go our separate ways. Kara told detectives that as she and JJ were in bed together, her phone kept beeping incoming text messages. Chirp, chirp. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:18:28 so I ignored it. It was Scott. It went off again and I told him just ignore it, just ignore it. And he leaned over and he grabbed the phone and he opened it. And he said, who the hell is Scott Holderbaum? That, Cara told police, is when JJ saw she'd sent the same picture, the same invitation, to both of them. So he saw kind of like the text message conversation or whatever you call it. I think he saw a photograph, I don't know. And that's when he became violent. He was angry, He assaulted me. Told me he was going to kill me. Told me he was going to kill Scott.
Starting point is 00:19:09 Said that at the time he saw this stuff. You'll both be dead by the morning light. You're an effing whore. And he was just furious. You say he assaulted you. What, he raped you? He did things against my will, yes. Then Cara told the detectives J.J. dressed and drove off,
Starting point is 00:19:28 and she called him six times to try to get him to calm down. I called him right away, and I told him how sorry I was and how it's not serious with Scott, and that I was going to call it off. And a few minutes later, when he came storming back into the house, Kara said she knew exactly who it was. He turned the door and he told me he was going to kill me. Or he was going to make it to where nobody would ever want me again. And he came in the room and that's when I grabbed the gun.
Starting point is 00:19:59 A story which, as you'll see, would be rather important later. After they heard it, the detectives sent Kara to the Rape Crisis Center. But the results there only raised more questions. And something she said while there would have them wondering, was Kara a rape victim or a woman scorned whose fury ended in murder? Coming up, Kara changes her story, claiming she didn't know it was JJ coming into her house. Just a moment. You were with this guy night and day for 20 years. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:40 And you didn't recognize who it was coming through the door. It was the middle of the night when J.J. Rush's daughter, Megan, was awakened from a deep sleep. A 3 a.m. knock at my door from the detectives. What's that like? The scariest thing that you'll ever go through. And they said, your dad's been shot and he's been killed. I said, I screamed, obviously. And it was terror and loss. That's not something any 21-year-old wants to hear at 3 in the morning.
Starting point is 00:21:37 Megan was not the only one assaulted with the news that night. I was called that night. And in Lonnie Langtoe's case, a particular remorse, a regret for a lifetime. Lonnie was recovering from surgery just then. And earlier that day, J.J. called, offered his company, his help. And she said thanks, but no, she was going to sleep. You must have gone over that in your mind a million times. I live with it every day. I take comfort in the fact that the last words we had to each other were,
Starting point is 00:22:10 I love you, and I love you more. Those weren't the last words that they had with each other. I guarantee you that. She means JJ and Kara, of course. So why did he go to her? And what happened? Around 6 a.m., Kara returned to the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office from the Rape Crisis Center. She was put in an interview room while detectives reviewed the rape report.
Starting point is 00:22:36 It was not conclusive. Did they find any, you know, any of the classic symptoms of a violent sexual assault? No, we're notated, no. However, the report did note bruising on Kara's hip. Was it possible to determine how that bruising got to be there? That original nurse thought that that bruising might have been from the incident of the night. When it was examined later by another doctor, they determined that the bruising was days older. She said that he held her wrists while he sexually assaulted her and therefore left marks. The examination didn't notate anything with her wrists.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Mind you, photos, as you can see, did show a red mark. But the detective said that was most likely from the handcuffs, which she twisted around as she tried to make cell phone calls. Or maybe she got those marks having sex with her new boyfriend. Kara told them it was pretty wild. The detectives looked at text messages between Kara and her new boyfriend sent a few days earlier. Well, they had text messages back and forth. Tie me up, tie me down.
Starting point is 00:23:43 They talked about putting certain type of lotion on bite marks or bruises, and they talked about handcuffs. The injuries on your wrists, the text from him, he said he would bring over handcuffs again and again, leave some marks. I said, are you bringing your handcuffs? Well, and he said, get prepared to have some more bruises. Marks of passion, I think he said, yeah. Well, you like marks of passion. I like passionate sex. So what did Kara think about the Rape Crisis Center's inconclusive report?
Starting point is 00:24:18 They did a rape kit and they didn't find any evidence of rape. Yes, they did. They did. Well, it showed sexual contact. Mm-hmm. Didn't show there wasn't a rape. Well, Kara was at the Rape Crisis Center. The detectives received new information from the crime scene, such as first responders believed the house lights
Starting point is 00:24:40 had pretty much all been on when whatever happened, happened. Remember, Kara said it was dark in the house. But... Once we gathered a little bit more evidence from the detectives working the crime scene, then we did get definitely more pointed in our question and more direct. And then something odd happened. Kara changed her story. Remember, she told 911, And then something odd happened. Kara changed her story.
Starting point is 00:25:08 Remember, she told 911, my ex-husband raped me. I shot him. But now she said she didn't know who was coming into the house. Somebody was in my home. Whether it was Jay or Jack the Ripper, I was scared. Somebody came in the house, unannounced. Could have been JJ or it could have been Jack the Ripper. Really? I mean, what did you think of that? She thought her story needed to be embellished. I'm going to ask you very
Starting point is 00:25:35 bluntly and very honestly. Did the rape occur? Let me ask you this point blank. Did you know that was John coming through the door? And did you shoot him purposely? No, I did not. I did not shoot John purposely. But you shot that person purposely, correct? In that moment, I was scared.
Starting point is 00:26:06 And you were scared of why? In an emotional light. I didn't know what was happening. And you know what? I just, I wish I'd never gotten that gun. Talking with us, she defended this second story, that she didn't know who the intruder was, and assumed it could be a stranger.
Starting point is 00:26:25 You're in the middle of a big fight. He wouldn't have come. A breakup fight. He wouldn't have come. He's coming back around to talk to you. He wants to clear some things up. He would have said that on the phone. So as he's coming in the room, did he say anything?
Starting point is 00:26:38 No. Just was sort of coming in the room. Right. And you shot him. But you saw who it was. Didn't see who it was. And I was so scared and nervous. Hang on a second. Just a moment. You were with this guy night and day in bed, intimate, hearing all his grunts, listening to the way he walks.
Starting point is 00:27:00 Right. For 20 years. Right. And you say you didn't recognize who it was coming through the door. No, I was scared out of my mind. Kara said it was only when she heard JJ's voice that she knew who it was. What happened right after you shot him? Well, that's when I heard him say, oh, so that's when I figured it was him. So which was it? My ex-husband raped me, I shot him? Or I shot a stranger? Or was it a third version of events? This one's filled with stories about JJ.
Starting point is 00:27:37 They had a dark side. Yes. Kara had a lot to say about her recently departed ex. But was it true? Coming up, Kara calls one behavior of JJ's disturbing and downright compulsive. There were days where he could go from sundown to sunup. Why some said JJ was spinning out of control. There is no way to predict where the spiral would end, either a danger to himself or somebody else. When Dateline continues. J.J. Rush was dead.
Starting point is 00:28:27 His ex-wife, Cara Ryan, killed him. In self-defense, she said. And now she's set about telling the detectives about the real J.J. Same thing she told us. Not a pretty picture, she said. Right after we got married, the compulsive gambling became the big issue. And there were days where he could go from sundown to sunup. Kara was a schoolteacher, remember, and one day she said she got a nasty letter
Starting point is 00:28:53 from the Florida Department of Education. The state was going to pull my teaching certificate because he hadn't paid my student loan. He paid the bills in the early days of their marriage, she said. So I started looking at the accounts, thinking, what's going on here? I don't understand. What was going on, said Kara, was they were broke. I felt really betrayed and lied to and hurt. So she said she laid down the law, took over the financial stuff,
Starting point is 00:29:21 and told J.J. he had to get help for his gambling addiction. But, you know, a gambling addiction, it's probably as hard or harder to kick than smoking or drinking or... It's very hard. But I loved him. I made vows. I made a commitment. So as long as he was willing to go to Gambler Anonymous, then I was willing to support him. And we went to marriage counseling. That helped. Kara told detectives that for five years, J.J. didn't gamble at all, and they were happy.
Starting point is 00:29:52 But... You know, I always worried that the gambling would come back up and the financial situations would happen again. And then in 2004, J.J. had that bad crash in his police car. When we got there very shortly thereafter, he had an actual, like, a hole in the top of his head.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Bob Jones is a former St. Petersburg police officer and J.J.'s good friend. His knees and feet and everything else got hung up around the steering wheel. Then from that point on, multiple back problems, multiple back surgeries. And that, said Kara, is when... He started drinking heavily, all day, every day. At home recovering? Yes. Depressed?
Starting point is 00:30:36 Depressed, yeah. He recovered eventually, she said, and took that job as an investigator at the medical examiner's office. But he was in pain most of the time. He kept drinking, and that's when he started using the oxycodone for the knee pain. Sure. That was prescribed, right? Yes, but it became chronic, and he was unpredictable when he was on it and off it. Kara told detectives J.J. liked his work with the medical examiner's office,
Starting point is 00:31:05 but the horrific crime scenes he witnessed took their toll. So much so, he developed PTSD. One example, the last one, a man threw his seven-year-old girl off a bridge, and that was his case. I know it was emotionally tearing him apart. The day before Kara shot him, J.J. went to a therapist, a man named Bob Green. He had also been their marriage counselor.
Starting point is 00:31:31 And so, of course, the police talked to Mr. Green and he told them that day J.J. was in tears. He was spiraling out of control. There is no way to predict in that situation where the spiral would end, either a danger to himself or somebody else. Where the sort of burdens of what he did for a living and of his situation in life had become too big for him. Yes. I think a part of him didn't want to be in this world anymore. But he was supposedly kind of happy.
Starting point is 00:32:07 That was the face he put on. You don't believe that? I know he wasn't happy. Antidepressants and the drinking and the oxy and the physical pain and the mental pain, the post-traumatic stress disorder. He was struggling. The therapist, Green, went even further when he offered police a remarkable theory
Starting point is 00:32:24 that J.J. knew if he barged in on Kara unannounced, she would shoot and shoot to kill. My opinion has always been that it was a suicide. How could it possibly be a suicide? Because he had trained Kara that if someone comes through the front door unannounced, you pick up a gun, you close your eyes, and you shoot. To a lot of people, it seemed a stretch. He had not announced he was coming over. Someone came through the front door, and she did as she was trained to do. Detectives weren't buying Green's idea. It's a kind of a ridiculous theory. So,
Starting point is 00:33:03 Kara's version? That without her to help him, J.J. was depressed, suffering from PTSD, a suicidal, gambling, alcohol, and oxycodone-addicted man, who, in the days after he left her, fell off all his wagons and fell into a rage when he saw she had a new love. The detectives were skeptical. When it comes to being derogatory towards JJ, then she has all the specifics we need. But when it comes to explaining the rape or the attack, then things become very fuzzy. She folds up into the corner, starts hiding her face,
Starting point is 00:33:41 you know, just a different persona altogether. So, what was the truth about JJ? He was happier than he's been ever that I can remember. And all of his friends will tell you the same thing. Who was right? And what did it say about the events in this little seaside bedroom? Coming up, a very different picture emerges of JJ as a man very much under Kara's thumb.
Starting point is 00:34:12 He was very controlled. He couldn't go out to lunch without bringing home a receipt. A man ready to make a change. He was dead set on not being with her anymore. He was done. Detectives listened closely to Kara Ryan and her stories about JJ's problems. Depression, gambling, drinking, painkillers. A man so out of control, he
Starting point is 00:34:49 raped her in a rage before she shot him. And then he came back through the door and thought he was going to kill me. Was it true? Never in his life. Never in his life. Lonnie Langtoe had known Kara and JJ for years before she and JJ fell in love.
Starting point is 00:35:07 Did she have a reasonable argument that maybe she thought she was defending her life? Not at all. He wasn't a violent person and she has no other defense but to tell you that. Private lives, as we all know, can hide cesspools of stories best left untold. But no secrets in a murder investigation, the detectives had to know what was the nature of Kara and JJ's 20-year relationship. For example, that chance meeting on the beach years earlier when they were divorced?
Starting point is 00:35:36 Kara said it just happened. The detectives said she made it happen, tracking him down to an out-of-the-way beach. She actually told us, you know, I'm walking on this beach that's nowhere near my house, and I say the next man I walk into, he's going to be it. He's the one, yeah. And it ends up being J.J. It wasn't reasonable.
Starting point is 00:35:59 Maybe in the movies, I guess, that might happen. Calculating, said the detectives, and in keeping. A lot of the description to us of their relationship was she was more controlling. And especially, without exception, she controlled the money. When J.J. retired from the police department, he collected a pension as well as his salary at the medical examiner's office. But he never saw any of the money. Both checks went directly into a bank account controlled only by Cara. All he did was deposit his checks. He couldn't tell you how much they even were.
Starting point is 00:36:36 He was very controlled. He couldn't go out to lunch without bringing home a receipt. If he wanted to help his daughter, Megan, he had to ask Kara. Like I once needed help with a deposit for my phone and he had to call and have a conversation over a hundred dollars just to help me out. And so he was like, yeah, Kara said okay. And it's like, okay, thanks. Megan's mom and JJ's first wife, Sherry Tribby, said it was always like that with Kara. Once when Megan was in elementary school, I didn't have money to buy her shoes. So I asked John to help me.
Starting point is 00:37:18 And he was reluctant at first, and then he finally helped me. But when he did, he said, don't tell Cara. But Cara said she had her reasons. He couldn't have his own bank account. He couldn't have credit cards. He couldn't have an account with me off of it. That, she said, was because of his gambling addiction. But addiction?
Starting point is 00:37:40 JJ's family said he liked to go to the track and play cards, but he was far from being addicted. If he went out somewhere with somebody and bought something, I mean, would you need to see a receipt? He wanted to give me the receipts. He wanted it to be where I didn't have to worry. Okay. He didn't want me to look over his shoulder, so he put his receipts on the counter for me. Secrets. To the world outside the family, Kara was, as she herself said, a loving stepmother to JJ's daughter, Megan. She felt like you were very close. She regarded
Starting point is 00:38:18 you as her own. I'm sure she did. Why would you put it that way? She wanted to put that scene out for everybody that we had a perfect relationship. I never really felt like she liked me or wanted me there. So being with somebody who makes you feel so unwanted and unloved, it was tough. It got easier to meet her father in secret, said Megan. Avoid the tension with Kara. But issues will barge in, like it or not. Like the time Megan wanted to apply for a job as a police dispatcher and felt she needed a new dress for the interview.
Starting point is 00:38:59 Kara got wind of it. She said, oh, we'll never make it through that anyway. She wanted a dress for her interview. And she could never ask him for that before because Carl wouldn't allow the money to be spent. That's about the time J.J. started planning his exit, as he whispered to Megan. He was secretly opening up his new bank account,
Starting point is 00:39:22 and he changed everything so that nothing was going into her account anymore. And then the time that she started to notice was when he was like, okay, well, it's time to get out now. That sounds like somebody who has made a firm and final decision. He was dead set on not being with her anymore. He was done, and I was proud of him. So he'd left her, taken up with another woman, cut off a substantial income, ended her ability to control him.
Starting point is 00:39:54 Sounded like a motive, said the detectives. The rug was pulled out from underneath her. She was shocked, dismay. And she was angry. The shock turns to anger at some point. And there was JJ, apparently happy, getting his own place, his own car, had a girlfriend who loved him, bought his daughter that dress. I think it was the first moment of being like freedom, I guess, where he felt like, I can actually do this, and when you give me the receipt, I can throw it away. Did he succumb to gambling, alcohol, painkillers after he left Kara?
Starting point is 00:40:32 No, said Lonnie Langtoe. Not even close. With John, none of those things existed. And he certainly had ample opportunity to drink to excess, to gamble to excess, to be angry, to be upset. He was free to do whatever he wanted now. Yes, absolutely he was. We reminded Lonnie of what Kara and the therapist had told us. He was in a downward spiral, getting worse and worse by the day, that he was actually suicidal. Did you see any evidence of that?
Starting point is 00:41:05 Absolutely not. He was not suicidal. He was happier than he's been ever that I can remember. I was excited, and it was just like, cool, you know? Like, this is the dad that I want all the time. It's like I got to see, like, my real dad, and it was great. Sorry. That's okay.
Starting point is 00:41:36 I've just never seen him so happy as he was. Happy for the three weeks after he moved out. And then he was dead. What was a homicide detective to make of all that? Coming up, a startling theory of what really happened the night of the shooting. My very first words were it was a setup. She set him up. When Dateline continues. Continuing our story, Kara Ryan has killed her ex-husband, J.J. Rush, saying he burst into her bedroom and attacked her.
Starting point is 00:42:14 He assaulted me, told me he was going to kill me. But J.J.'s family calls it murder, arguing Kara was bitter over losing J.J. and his money. He was secretly opening up his new bank account. Nothing was going into her account anymore. Now someone else is about to speak out about Cara and JJ's relationship. Well, the next-door neighbor did tell us that JJ said that he was scared she would shoot him. And then the hunt for the truth takes a tantalizing turn.
Starting point is 00:42:44 We got a lip reader. We got a lip reader. You got a lip reader? Once again, Keith Morrison. Carl Ryan talked to those detectives all night long. Admitted she shot J.J. Rush, her man of 20 years. But it wasn't until 10 the next morning, as she was finishing up her last tape statement, that Detective Sires gave her the news it held back all night. J.J. was dead.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Why wait so long? I believe she knew right away that he was dead. Yeah. But yet, for the entire nine hours and 55 minutes that she was with us. She never once let on that, you know, that she thought he was deceased, never asked how he was or anything. Well, how did she react when you told her he was dead? No reaction.
Starting point is 00:43:38 It was just a very flat, emotionless affect. In fact, remember those phone calls Kara made from the police car when the camera didn't record audio? Later, police retrieved a voicemail she left for a friend then. In it, Kara appears to know JJ may be seriously hurt
Starting point is 00:43:57 and feared she was in deep trouble. Yes, Kara, I need your help. Please call me. I think I heard Josh. He was breaking in. I shot him. I don't know what caused that. Well, I'm scared. The day after police sent Cara home, she consulted an attorney named Roger Feuderman, a British-born, American-educated lawyer
Starting point is 00:44:17 who flies the Union Jack outside his Clearwater, Florida office. When I first heard the facts from Ms. Ryan, I didn't think they were going to charge her. You know, from the defendant When I first heard the facts from Ms. Ryan, I didn't think they were going to charge her. You know, from the defendant, the facts are always a little different. I believed her. She seemed very believable.
Starting point is 00:44:36 Kara and her attorney waited to see what would come next. And meanwhile, detectives continued their investigation. One thing that struck them was the reaction of JJ's family and friends. Daughter, Megan. They said, was it her? And they said, was it who? And I said, was it reaction of JJ's family and friends. Daughter, Megan. They said, was it her? And they said, was it who? And I said, was it Kara? And they said, yes. And my whole world crumbled. Girlfriend, Lonnie Lanko.
Starting point is 00:44:55 My very first words were it was a setup. She set him up. JJ's older brothers, Rick and Bill Rush. I told him to take the guns out of the house, because that's how much I did not trust her. My first words were, that bitch. Right out of my mouth, without even hesitation. Because I knew in my heart that this was not going to be an accident. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:18 Strong words. And then the detectives talked to the next door neighbor. Well, the next door neighbor did tell us that J.J. said that he was scared she would shoot him. Huh. I'm going to break up with her. I'm afraid she might shoot me, either as a reaction to the breakup or something of that sort. That was the day before J.J. moved out. The gun went off. I shot him. But there was one person's words the detectives kept going over and analyzing. Kara Ryan's own words.
Starting point is 00:45:49 They listened carefully to the stories she told and compared them. What they were, how they changed over time, and that was really when it kind of hit me just how different all of these stories were and how unbelievable they were. There were, said the detectives, four main stories. The first, what she told 911 and the first responding officers. My ex-husband came in and he raped me. Okay, when did this happen?
Starting point is 00:46:18 Just about. He came in, he raped me, and I took my gun and I shot him. Shot him while or after he raped her. They asked her that as she sat in the patrol car. At this point, the audio was turned on. He raped me. Not on top of me. And he held me down. At this point, I had the gun.
Starting point is 00:46:41 Okay. And then what happened? And then I fired the gun. Where was he? Standing over me on the bed. The second version emerged in the interview room. Kara said JJ raped her and left. But when he came back, she heard and recognized his voice threatening her before she shot him.
Starting point is 00:47:05 And he told me he was going to kill me. And he was going to wait for Scott to get off work, and he was going to kill Scott. Or he was going to make it to where nobody would ever want me again. And he came in the room, and that's when I cracked the gun. What exactly did you do? As he came in the room and that's when I grabbed the gun. What exactly did you do? As he came in the door, I don't remember. The gun went off. I shot him. Then at the rape crisis center, another version, implying an accidental shooting.
Starting point is 00:47:41 Kara quoted as saying, he grabbed her and the gun went off. Now she is telling the rape counselor that they were struggling over the gun? What, during this alleged sexual attack? She's told me, you know, he raped her, she shot him. Okay. But never said anything about
Starting point is 00:47:57 him grabbing the gun or anything until she speaks with the rape counselor. Finally, version number four. Kara didn't really know who came barging into her house. She was simply scared and fired. If somebody was in my house, then I'm psyched, yeah. But see how you're explaining stuff, baby? Kara, you're telling me the condition he was in,
Starting point is 00:48:22 what Jay had done, would Jay had threatened to do but then it goes to someone within my house I mean it can't it can't be both did you think this was Jay or did you think this was a masked marauder breaking into your home what I was going to die. What made you think that? Somebody was in my home, whether it was Jay or Jack the Ripper. I was scared. There were more variations.
Starting point is 00:48:58 The door was locked or it wasn't locked. JJ would always call her before he came over, but this time didn't. The detectives counted them all up. Kara's versions of what happened in this tiny bedroom. They got to ten. Ten different stories. As you looked at those different stories, what did you think you were dealing with here? If you are in a situation that calls for self-defense. And if you lie about these circumstances, then that tells me that you weren't justified in what you were doing.
Starting point is 00:49:31 Otherwise, why do you need to keep changing the story? No question in their minds, said the detectives, Kara murdered JJ. They arrested her. The sheriff made the announcement. So we believe this is a domestic-related homicide, and that Kara Ryan was acting out because she was losing control over him. When I watched the press conference, I was actually crying my eyes out. Fellow teacher Debbie Ryan didn't believe what they were saying about Kara. I believe in her. And a couple people said to me, really, you believe her?
Starting point is 00:50:04 Yeah, why wouldn't I? Sad when, you know, people don't know the facts. Kara was now in the hands of deputies of the county jail, charged with second-degree murder. She was facing a possible life sentence for killing J.J. Rush. Coming up, Kara's defense embarks on a surprising strategy. We got a lip reader. You got a lip reader? And then a mock trial reveals what jurors might think of Kara. I don't believe for one second she was raped. Miss Ryan, you're charged with murder in the second degree. Second degree murder.
Starting point is 00:50:53 Kara Ryan was facing up to life in prison for shooting her ex-husband, J.J. Rush. But even after hearing the charge, Kara was convinced it would all go away. I thought it was ridiculous. And I was waiting any day for them to realize they had no case. Her attorney, Roger Feuderman, said he too was surprised that Carl was charged. I knew from minute one there was no motive. What do you mean there's no motive? I saw no motive in this case.
Starting point is 00:51:19 Come on, it's a break up of marriage. That's when murders occur. I know. You know, the guy's taken his income away. He's walked out on her. You know, he's seeing another woman. But when I looked at everything, I said, they don't have a motive here. She loved this man. It's clear she loved this man. She didn't need the money. But now that she was charged, Fuderman first got Kara out on bail and then confronted what he knew was a very big problem. We knew the statements, the sequence of some of the statements were an issue. So Fuderman did exactly what detectives had done.
Starting point is 00:51:53 He scrutinized all those statements. But he tried to figure out a defense. I hand wrote her and all her statements on huge boards. And every inconsistent statement was in red, and the consistence were in blue, and then the helpful were in green. Fuderman asked Kara how to make sense of these color-coded differences.
Starting point is 00:52:17 I asked her, how on earth do we get this? How do we get around this? And she just said the truthful without thinking, without planning. She said, they're all true. I just got some of the sequences wrong. I said, okay. That, said Fuderman, is because Kara was in shock. It had been questioned on and off for nearly 10 hours. It's certainly a very logical explanation for some inconsistencies in the sequence of events. Still, so many stories. Maybe he thought Feuderman he could find a way to reduce the number of Kara's stories a future jury would hear.
Starting point is 00:52:51 Remember that deputy who failed to record audio when Kara was in the police car? The deputy said that's when he read Kara her Miranda warning, her right to remain silent and have an attorney. But did he? There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that Miranda was never read. And if Carl wasn't read her rights, then that statement would be thrown out. A jury would never hear it. So there was a hearing. The prosecutor questioned the deputy. Did you read her her Miranda warning? I did. How long had she been in the patrol car when you did that? About 15 minutes.
Starting point is 00:53:33 And here's how the deputy said Cara responded. Her comment was, yes, I understand. But Cara swore that never happened. Absolutely not. Who was right? That's when Feuderman got a big idea. We got a lip reader. You got a lip reader?
Starting point is 00:53:49 We got a lip reader. I was looking at this video and I started thinking, I said, if he so-called read Miranda, even though the sound's not on, if we get a lip reader, we're going to be able to tell if she answered like he explained that she answered. And if she didn't, maybe Feuderman could prevent a jury from hearing that first conflicting story. Does it surprise people when they find out how well you can read lips?
Starting point is 00:54:14 Yes. And here she is. Lucinda Hebler, who is deaf, is the lip reader hired by attorney Feuderman. Had you ever heard such a request before? It was the first time in my whole life. The video was very grainy, hard to decipher. But Lucinda told Fuderman she would try.
Starting point is 00:54:34 What were you looking for her to say? I was specifically looking for, yes, I understand my right. I see no evidence of her saying those words. Right. But then, a judge's ruling meant it suddenly didn't matter what Lucinda saw or didn't see. A Miranda warning said the judge wasn't necessary at that point. And in fact, Kara had been read her rights later at the police station.
Starting point is 00:55:08 So the jury would get to hear Kara's first conflicting statement. Fuderman was deflated. Somehow, he was sure Lucinda had to be good for his case. But he also knew the judge's ruling was a problem. So Fuderman switched gears and planned his strategy to pick a jury. We anticipated that women would be favorable to someone that had been raped. He decided to do a dry run, enlisted mock juries composed of men and women to test their reactions,
Starting point is 00:55:41 not just to the evidence, but to Kara herself. It's rare to witness the workings of a mock trial. They're usually confidential. And I saw the figure come through the doorway. But this is the actual audio as Kara testified for the mock jurors. And that's when I reached for the gun. When you shot, did you know who you shot? No, not until I heard his voice.
Starting point is 00:56:04 Fuderman acted as prosecutor. The questioning was withering. So now we have three different stories within a couple of hours, period. And your explanation for that is what? I was stunned. I was shocked. I was an emotional wreck. That should go down well with female jurors, thought Fuderman. And? I was dead wrong. Here's what the mockors, thought Feuderman. And? I was dead wrong. Here's what the mock jurors told Feuderman.
Starting point is 00:56:29 Well, some women gave the answer he expected. I found her not guilty. She was already in fear for her life. Most found her guilty as sin. I don't believe for one second that she was raped. I felt like she had no emotion or remorse in what she did for someone she cared about for 20 years. As for the men, the result was practically reversed. The facts of the case are that someone broke into the home and they were afraid and they shot him.
Starting point is 00:57:02 Were Feuderman and his co-counsel surprised? You bet they were. Time to rethink strategy for the real trial. Every case is winnable. And every case has pros and cons. Kara's case? Winnable? Well, that remained to be seen.
Starting point is 00:57:21 Coming up. At trial, testimony that J.J. had recently cut his financial ties to Cara, and there was going to be hell to pay. The week he died, I helped him get bank accounts away from her. That was the first week the money didn't hit the account, and she had a fit. When Dateline continues. Not quite two years after Kara Ryan shot her ex-husband, prosecutor Liz Jack stood before a freshly empaneled jury and painted a picture of a cold, manipulative woman who could no longer control or even have her once-compliant ex-husband. And so... On March 7, 2015, she invited him over for sex.
Starting point is 00:58:15 He accepted her invitation, and by the end of the night, he was dead. Dead, the state charged because he had the temerity to leave her and take up with another woman. She was not happy about it. I think she was definitely shocked. To her, it came out of nowhere. And he didn't just leave her. He cut off the money. She was financially dependent on him, and he left her. She was used to having X number more dollars in her bank account. Yeah, and now it was gone. Now it was gone. Listen to the 911 call.
Starting point is 00:58:52 So devoid of emotion, said the prosecutor. Evidence that this popular teacher was capable of murder. My ex-husband came in and raped me. He raped you? Mm-hmm. More evidence. Soon after the murder, police asked JJ's daughter Megan to call Cara. They recorded the call.
Starting point is 00:59:12 It, too, was played for the jury. Why did you shoot him, though? I didn't know if it was him coming back to kill me like he said he would or if it was a stranger coming in. And that's what he always said. If somebody came in the house unannounced, just shoot to kill me like he said he would, or if it was a stranger coming in. And that's what he always said, if somebody came in the house unannounced, to shoot to kill. The monotone, the lack of sympathy.
Starting point is 00:59:34 How are you doing? Horrible. I'm sorry. I don't know what to say. She's talking to the daughter of the man she just shot and killed. The jury also saw these selfies from Kara's phone. They were taken three days after the shooting. She just killed her lover of so many years, and here she's out drinking.
Starting point is 01:00:00 It seemed very odd. And remember all those stories about Kara's control over JJ? Megan told the jury how he had to sneak around with his own daughter. He would give me money and gas gift cards or grocery gift cards to make it look like he had bought gas or had bought groceries because if he took cash out or money out to give me, it would cause some type of ordeal. But his new love, Lonnie Langtoe,
Starting point is 01:00:29 told the jury about that change in JJ as soon as he left Cara. His relationship with his daughter was so much better because he didn't have to answer to why he was talking to her. What was it about? What did she want? Wait a minute. He had to answer for how he talked to his daughter? Oh, absolutely. That was a big deal. JJ, she said, loved his newly found freedom.
Starting point is 01:00:54 He was so excited. He was so happy to not have to answer to someone for every single thing he did or said. And Lonnie also told the jury that all hell broke loose after J.J. cut off his financial ties to Kara. The week he died, I helped him get bank accounts away from her. That was the first week the money didn't hit the account. And she had a fit. It was about money with her. Then the night J.J. died, the prosecutor said, Kara lured him with that invitation for sex via X-rated text messages, which were displayed for the jury. We also found that she downloaded a book, How to Get Your Man Back, or something to that effect.
Starting point is 01:01:36 Just how badly did she want him back? These are from notes Kara wrote to herself on her phone. I would do anything to make it work. I love you. I want to start over. How can you just abandon a 20-year relationship? Stuff that we found in her cell phone that showed this shock and this dismay that, you know, how could he do this? But remember, Kara accused JJ of raping her. So the prosecutor told the jury that DNA tests didn't even show clear evidence they'd had sex. And those bruises on Kara's hip were, judging from texts with the new boyfriend, not from JJ. The rough sex a couple of days prior to the shooting is what led to whatever injury she may have had.
Starting point is 01:02:23 The red marks on her wrists could have been from sex play, said the state. Could have been from struggling with her handcuffs here in the police car. Nothing led me to believe that there was anything from this alleged altercation with JJ that was on her body at all. And remember how Kara told detectives that J.J. went back to drinking and abusing oxycodone after they broke up? But the medical examiner testified that the level of alcohol in his system was very low that night,
Starting point is 01:02:55 and there was no trace of opiates in his blood at the time of his death. He had one pill in his pocket at the time of his death, and he obviously had the prescription because he injured his back. So if the detectives were right that Kara wasn't defending herself, why that night, at that moment, did she take out the gun and pull the trigger? Because, said the prosecutor, her ploy, her attempt to lure him back, failed, and she was losing control of him. The state's theory? That Kara did send graphic selfies to her new boyfriend, and JJ did see them.
Starting point is 01:03:32 She wanted to make him jealous, but he didn't attack her. He just walked out on her. I think it's reasonable to believe that he said, this is it, this is over, you know. So maybe that plays a part into her saying, you know, I'm not going to get him back. And so things went south. Yeah. She wasn't happy. The police and the prosecutor said it just couldn't have happened the way Kara said it did. For one thing, when first responders arrived just moments after the shooting, really,
Starting point is 01:04:00 all the lights in the house were on. It wasn't in darkness the way she had described it. And this room is so tiny that somebody standing in the doorway could reach out and touch the finger of the person on the bed. So wouldn't she have recognized the man she lived with for 20 years when he was that close? Wouldn't she have recognized the sound of his footsteps coming across the floor? And the bullet that killed him went in through his upper arm, at the back, and down into his heart, as if he wasn't coming in to attack her, but as if he was turning away, perhaps to run. You saw the trajectory of the bullet. What story did it tell you about what must have happened in that bedroom doorway?
Starting point is 01:04:45 J.J. was walking out or turned to leave the bedroom and saw it coming. It may have ducked down. But her story of I saw this hand reaching towards me and I pulled the trigger, it doesn't line up with the angle, the trajectory of the shooting. Like I told her, I said, would the bullet hang the U-turn? It doesn't work like that. But perhaps the state's strongest evidence was in Kara's own words. Jurors listened to those hours and hours of ever-evolving stories. I was scared. I didn't know who was coming in. I think any normal person, you know, would be able to look at those interviews and say,
Starting point is 01:05:24 she's lying. You know, she's not telling the truth. There's nothing in there that tells me, you know, that there's a reasonable explanation for her action. Yes, there was a reasonable explanation, said the defense. And the jury was about to hear it. Coming up, Cara's lawyer argues that cops mishandled the case because JJ was one of their own. He lied. When your witnesses get on that stand, especially police officers that lie, the jury's not going to forgive you. And then, Cara takes a gamble that could decide her fate.
Starting point is 01:06:00 I texted. I said, I'll do it. Kara Ryan's defense was well underway even before the opening statements began. The strategy, at least. Attorney Roger Fuderman, remember, had put Kara through a couple of mock trials and discovered... The majority of women convicted her, and the majority of men didn't. And the women's rationale was all emotionally based. They wanted to hear much more emotion in her. They wanted to hear crying. And this client is not like that. That's not her. It's just not how she is. So, Fuderman worked hard to ensure there were mostly males in the jury.
Starting point is 01:06:55 In Florida, second-degree murder cases have six-person juries, and he succeeded. Five of the six were men. We believe the men wouldn't be focused on the emotion, but more on the facts. What else did you look for in the jury? Gun owners. People that were not afraid to shoot someone if they came into their house unannounced. And almost every one of our jurors had a gun and was not afraid to use it. Once the trial began, Fuderman told those jurors that Kara had no choice but to use her gun to defend herself,
Starting point is 01:07:22 plain and simple. He attacks her. She says, stop. Never acted like this. Stop. You're raping me. Stop. Something else the defense tried to do, persuade the jury that JJ was out of control after seeing that text from Kara's new boyfriend, and came back to the house in a rage. He snapped. She defended herself. He snapped. So those are the elements. You need to get a jury to believe he was a person capable of snapping. Correct. And that she legitimately was in fear for her life. Correct. That she wasn't angry and wanted revenge, but was terrified. Correct. So part of the strategy was put the victim on trial. You went after him pretty hard. You went after him for, you call him essentially a drunk.
Starting point is 01:08:14 You talked about the oxycodone use. And you made it sound like he was, you know, a volcano about to explode. Well, there was no doubt, as our expert said, he was a chronic Xanax and Oxycodone user. Right. For good reason. For good reason, but I think... They were prescribed. They were prescribed, but as needed.
Starting point is 01:08:36 Three to four a day, that's a lot. We don't know when he was taking them. Even though the medical examiner testified that J.J.'s blood showed low levels of alcohol and no trace of painkillers that night, Fuderman claimed withdrawal set JJ off. He was drinking. He was coming off Oxy. He was coming off Xanax. He was taking antidepressants. He was filled with rage. He was confused.
Starting point is 01:09:10 And all of these things could lead him to snap that night. Because that's what happened. He snapped. He had bad addictions. He had bad sides to him. He wasn't a bad guy. But his friends, his family felt as if the dead guy is being dragged through the mud. Sure. Did you feel bad about it?
Starting point is 01:09:26 I didn't want it to happen. I never wanted to go to court and air all of our dirty laundry. But now that she was here, accused of murder, J.J.'s reputation was fair game, said attorney Feuderman. I think there was a lot of sides to J.J. that his best friends didn't know. Including his cop buddies, said Feuderman? I think there was a lot of sides to JJ that his best friends didn't know. Including his cop buddies, said Fuderman. Cops who he charged were blind to anything but Kara's
Starting point is 01:09:52 alleged guilt and would do anything to prove it. It wasn't an investigation. It was a witch hunt. They sprang up out of their beds like a church choir, and they met at that gate with pitchforks. Why would they do that? They were his friends. They were his buddies, his brothers. I told the jury, the police are going to lie to you. Lie? As when the deputy said he read Kara her rights in the patrol car, said Fuderman. 15, 20 minutes, yeah, roughly. The deputy originally said it was during
Starting point is 01:10:25 the first 15 minutes. Then he changed his story. And he said, I no longer read Miranda within 15 minutes. I read it an hour and 10 minutes later. And she wasn't facing a camera at that point. Correct. Feuderman charged that the deputy
Starting point is 01:10:41 changed his story after he found out that Lucinda the lip reader had been analyzing Kara's words. The deputy said no, he just refreshed his memory by looking at the tape. But Feuderman wasn't buying it. He lied. And that's when Feuderman put Lucinda on the stand. And she confirmed she never saw Kara respond to a Miranda warning. And though she said she couldn't always tell what was said on that video,
Starting point is 01:11:10 Feuderman had made his point. And when you lie to a jury, when your witnesses lie, get on that stand, especially police officers that lie, the jury's not going to forgive you. And he lied. Well, maybe. But the defense still had to account for the prosecution's strongest evidence against Kara, her shifting versions, her many different stories about what
Starting point is 01:11:33 happened. My story didn't change. I just got it out of sequence. He came in the door. He raped me. He was enraged. He came in the door and yelled at me. He left. He came back. It was just the same thing, just a little muddled. It was a little more than muddled. Things happen at different times and different tellings, basically, right? I just got things out of sequence. I was in shock. I was scared out of my mind. I'd never seen him like that. At the trial, attorney Feuderman had an expert offer this opinion. Trauma can affect how you remember things. Sometimes a moment of self-preservation can affect how you say things. But Carl was consistent about one thing. Her claim that J.J. raped her. Evidence to back that up? The marks on her wrists, said Feuderman.
Starting point is 01:12:34 And he called another expert to say they were fresh, just hours old, so couldn't have been caused by the new boyfriend. It was a quantum leap from the state to say the sex that she had 36 hours prior to the incident would leave fresh scratches on her or a bruise. So we think that that was caused by the incident. Mind you, the state said the marks could have been left by the handcuffs too. But again, Fuderman had made his point. But now Kara had to make a decision. Should she testify or not?
Starting point is 01:13:04 I thought, I really don't want to testify. I'm scared and it's painful. And then Roger said, it's totally up to you, but my gut says testify. And I said, no. But in the middle of the night, she told us she changed her mind. So I texted Roger at 3 o'clock. I said, I'll do it. And she did. Kara told the jury her story. And in the middle, she dropped a bombshell about JJ.
Starting point is 01:13:36 Coming up, a stunning revelation. He left a suicide note. What would it mean for Kara's case when Dateline continues? Kara Ryan had made the decision to testify. A risky decision, yet Feuderman had confidence in his client. I told her, just tell the truth and be yourself. Don't be fake. Don't put fake tears. And if you are yourself
Starting point is 01:14:09 and you do tell the truth, you can't go wrong. So, Kara took the stand and tried to explain why there were differences in the way she told her story. She also explained to the jury that she was smiling in those photos taken two days after she shot JJ because her friend
Starting point is 01:14:26 asked her to smile. Then came the bombshell. He left a suicide note. When did he write that note? I don't know when he wrote it. Attorney Fuderman said he made the discovery after going through more than 300 pieces of evidence. And I bursted out crying because I thought his last words to me were I'm going to kill you and you're a whore and his last words were sad. The letter read I love you more than I've loved anything or anyone in my entire life. I wish with all my soul that you felt the same way. Please take care of Megan. I'm sorry I failed you because I really did love you. Was that a suicide note? Oh, I think so. That's a matter of opinion. I think when you say take
Starting point is 01:15:16 care of my daughter, I did love you. Take care of Megan. All the other insecurities in that note. The point of that note to me was there's another side of JJ that a lot of people didn't know, and there were some real issues there. But the idea that was a suicide note? Ludicrous, said the prosecution. Could have been written years earlier, probably was. After all, why would he ask Kara to take care of Megan? She was an adult living on her own when J.J. was killed.
Starting point is 01:15:46 And J.J. was over the moon with his new life, with a new woman. So those expressions of love, highly unlikely at the time of his death. Anyway, with that it was over. Kara had done all she could to make her case. What was it like when that jury went out? I knew it was in God's hands.
Starting point is 01:16:08 There was nothing I could do. Now, my attorney looked like somebody punched him in the gut, but I was just in eerie calm. Megan was anything but calm as the jury deliberated. It was nerve-wracking. I was, like, wondering what they were talking about. Ron Fowler was foreman of the jury. Amy Petrilla was the one and only woman.
Starting point is 01:16:28 How did the prosecution want you to see her and her character? Manipulated and a cold-blooded killer. Would you agree with that? Well, yeah, I guess maybe not quite to that degree. But was she? You know, she's a teacher. She's never been in trouble before. But as he listened to testimony, Ron found Kara's actions odd. She never cried when she was on the phone with a stepdaughter.
Starting point is 01:16:56 I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to shoot him. So that really bothered me through the case. They were less bothered, mind you, by the way Kara's story of what happened kept changing. The testimonies from some of the experts says that's not unusual. Victims of assaults, physical assaults or sexual assaults, act different than people who are contemplating murder. Score one for the defense in a series, otherwise, of strikeouts. It's portrayal of J.J. as an opiate-addicted drunk, for one. When they tried to paint him as being this, you know, drunk, on drugs and irrational,
Starting point is 01:17:40 I didn't put a lot of basis to that. I always figure if someone is able to keep a job for 10 years, they're doing something right. Then Lucinda the lip reader, who said she didn't see evidence that Deputy Red Cara, her Miranda rights in the cruiser. The defense called the deputy a liar. Remember that? I think the defense was trying to do whatever they could to create doubt. That's their job. I didn't think it added much to, you know, the evidence that we were looking at. I didn't believe that the policeman did read the rights based upon his testimony, but later they did when they really continued to ask questions,
Starting point is 01:18:19 then they read the Marin rights. Another defense strikeout. The suicide note, if that's what it was, didn't add much for them either. I think just for me, it spoke to his state of mind. Did it seem like a suicide note to you or was it more? I read it several times. There's different meanings that you could put to it. I just didn't think that it had a basis for what happened that night. Finally, Kara's risky decision to testify. Did it pay off?
Starting point is 01:18:52 I was surprised that she testified, but it didn't really alter my thought process before or after. So, they gathered in the jury room. Five men, one woman. Two weeks' worth of evidence and testimony to review and debate. And then they had to decide who to believe and what mattered and what the evidence proved. It's a horrendous waiting moment. And it wasn't very many moments.
Starting point is 01:19:22 The jury decided in just 90 minutes. That usually means guilty in that short period of time. So your spirits rose. Absolutely. I asked my attorney what that meant and he said, you can't tell what a jury's going to do. When they came back very quickly, I was petrified. Coming up, the jury speaks. There was stone silence and all you heard was from everyone. And then a flood of emotion. What are you feeling right this second? I wish things were different. We cannot tolerate any outbursts. There is no overstating it, a palpable tension, a flutter of the heart,
Starting point is 01:20:10 when a jury files in to pronounce the fate of another human being. Kara Ryan shot her ex. She could spend decades in prison, or she could walk free. This was the moment she'd find out. You're charged with second-degree murder. The jury walks back into the room. What did it feel like to be you? All I could do was breathe.
Starting point is 01:20:33 All I could do was just keep a stiff upper lip, hold my head high, be confident. Some spectators watched on a closed-circuit feed. A cell phone camera recorded it. The words that changed Kara's life. The investigators watched on a closed circuit feed. A cell phone camera recorded it. The words that changed Kara's life. Ask to the defendant in this case, see the defendant is not guilty. Not guilty.
Starting point is 01:21:03 My first moment was, thank you to my attorney, Roger, and his co-counsel. And then my next thought was to turn around and look at my mother and say, Mom, it's okay. That, we need hardly tell you, is certainly not what J.J.'s brother was doing or feeling. I said to myself, you're f***ing kidding me. Or his sister. There was stone silence, and all you heard was, from everyone.
Starting point is 01:21:25 We were in shock, exactly. We were in shock. Or his daughter, Megan. I didn't really believe that that's what I heard and I didn't want to cause a scene. So I walked out and the moment I hit those doors, I just fell to the floor. I couldn't physically move anymore. It was just like it was when she heard he was dead, she said. My heart shattered again.
Starting point is 01:21:50 Somebody who had hurt you for so long and then hurt you in the biggest way anybody ever could just won again like she always did. So why did the jury acquit? In the end, they said, it boiled down to a single question. Did Kara shoot JJ in self-defense or rage? I don't think it was out of rage. I think it was out of fear.
Starting point is 01:22:18 It was the sense of fear, sense of self-defense, that he was angry, that he left and came back, that still resonated with me of the self-defense issue being pretty strong. Amy had no doubt, she said, Kara must have been assaulted. What Evans persuaded you of that? The marks on her arms and her entire demeanor at the time of the interviews after the murder, she presented as a very scared victim of an assault. Amy didn't believe those marks could have come from the kinky sex Kara had with her new boyfriend. The evidence was presented that the marks were less than 24 hours old. Nor did Amy buy the prosecution theory
Starting point is 01:23:09 that Kara got those marks from handcuffs in the police car. I believe the testimony that she was in fear of her life and she was defending herself as she had been instructed by her husband, ex-husband. So the jury was unanimous.
Starting point is 01:23:25 Kara shot JJ in self-defense. Was there evidence enough to say that she did not act in self-defense? And that's where none of us could come to that conclusion. Kara's life is no longer on hold. She has gone back to teaching, her attorney told us. Now that the ordeal is behind her. no longer on hold. She has gone back to teaching, her attorney told us, now that the ordeal is behind her. At the end of our interview,
Starting point is 01:23:51 the woman who revealed little emotion to juries, mock or real, finally did. What are you feeling right this second? I feel like, um... I feel like Jay's still with me. I think about him every day. And I wish things were different. I wish I could have saved him. I wish I could have done something differently. And I know this has caused a lot of pain for not just his family, but my family. JJ's daughter Megan filed a wrongful death lawsuit
Starting point is 01:24:20 against Kara for his insurance and pension money. Kara denied Megan's allegations, and the case was settled out of court. As for Lonnie Langtoe, she lives with the loss of JJ every day. It never goes away, but we keep John alive with each other. The family and I are very close. I get to talk to Megan every day. I get to see the things that he missed or misses and hope that he's seeing them and he's proud of her. And Megan, who for a while worked as a police dispatcher, is now working at a local hospital, all the while trying to navigate a future without her dad. But there will be someone new in her life soon. She's going to have a baby.
Starting point is 01:25:17 She wished that it could be different, but I just have to go forward with my life and live to make my dad very proud of what I've become. Oh, I think he probably is. I really hope so. I really hope so. That's all for this edition of Dateline. We'll see you again next Friday at 9, 8 Central. And of course, I'll see you each weeknight for NBC Nightly News.
Starting point is 01:25:52 I'm Lester Holt. For all of us at NBC News, good night.

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