Dateline NBC - Alleged eye drop murder. A divorce attorney accused of murder. Plus, criminal investigations at sea.

Episode Date: September 17, 2026

In North Carolina, Joshua Hunsucker is accused of killing his wife, Stacy, by poisoning her with eye drops in 2019. He now faces new charges including witness intimidation. In Ohio, a flurry of defense motions in the case of divorce attorney Gregory Moore charged with the murder of his client Aliza Sherman in 2013. Prosecutors say Moore fatally stabbed her because he was not prepared to take her case to trial. In Dateline Round Up, controversy continues in the case of Lindsay Clancy, the Massachusetts mother who says she killed her three children while suffering from postpartum psychosis. Singer D4vd, whose legal name is David Anthony Burke, faces a civil lawsuit for allegedly killing 14-year-old Celeste Rivas Hernandez. Updates in the case of Nick Reiner, accused of murdering his parents, Hollywood director Rob Reiner and producer Michele Singer Reiner. Plus, a Coast Guard special agent breaks down how crime scene investigations work on a boat. Listen to Dateline’s newest original podcast series, "Before & After with Lester Holt": https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/before-after-with-lester-holt/id6806378137 Find out more about the cases covered each week here: www.datelinetruecrimeweekly.com.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Good morning. It's the start of another workday for the Dateline team. There's like zero shell casings. There's no footprints. There's no tire tracks. Our producers are catching up on breaking crime news. Was there any other suspect? They did find a one witness.

That's the latest on that. Welcome to Dateline True Crime Weekly. I'm Andrea Canning. It's September 17th and here's what's on our docket. In Cleveland, Ohio, courtroom battles upend the murder trial of a divorce attorney. accused of fatally stabbing his own client, nurse and mom of four, Elisa Sherman. So things have gotten a little bit heated. In Dateline Roundup, five months after the singer David was charged with the murder of 14-year-old

Celeste Revis Hernandez, her family is now accusing his mother and managers of failing to protect her. And we'll bring you the latest on the new controversy surrounding the Lindsay Clancy Holdout juror. According to NBC Boston's reporting, last year, the juror is not. nephew filed a restraining order against him. Plus, crimes don't just happen on land. What happens when there's a murder at sea? A Coast Guard special agent gives us the lowdown. It's not like a crime that happens at your local bank or grocery store or local house. The boat is the scene and it moves. But before all that, there is a case out of North Carolina we want to tell you about involving a former paramedic who's facing one of the most bizarre set of charges I think I've ever seen.

In September of 2018, the sudden death of 32-year-old North Carolina preschool teacher Stacey Hunsucker left her two daughters without a mother and her husband Joshua without a wife. On the first anniversary of her death, he posted a tribute to her on Facebook. NBC affiliate WCNC covered the story. He described Stacey as an awesome mother and how he and their two daughters choose to live happily because that's what she would want. Three months after that post, Joshua, a paramedic at the time, was arrested and charged with Stacy's murder. Prosecutors alleged he poisoned her with tetrahydrazolene, a chemical found in eyedrops. Joshua Hunsucker has pleaded not guilty to all the charges against him. Jury selection was set to begin in his trial last week, but a judge ruled the trial should be postponed. Here to bring us up to speed on the reason for the delay and on some other unique charges

Hunsucker is facing is Dateline producer Marissa Meyer. Marissa, thank you for being here. Thank you so much for having me. Marissa, start by giving us some background on the couple at the heart of this case. So Stacey was, as you said, a young mom. She had worked at a preschool in Charlotte, North Carolina. And according to her obituary, she was an active member of her church. And her husband, Joshua, or Josh, who's now 41, he was working as a flight paramedic. providing emergency medical care to patients transported by helicopter. The couple had been married for eight years and they had two young daughters together. Take us back to September 23rd, 2018, the day Stacey died.

Marissa, what happened? So what we know of that day really comes from the probable cause affidavit, and Hansucker found his wife not breathing in their home, and she ended up dying from cardiac arrest. There was no autopsy, her Joshua's request, and Stacey's remains were cremated. It's important to note Stacey had been having a number of health problems in the years before her death, including problems with her heart. And according to a GoFundMe campaign started by one of her friends, Stacey had been having issues since the birth of the couple's first daughter in 2013. Marisa, when did police start to suspect that Stacey's death was not from natural causes and that, that,

something more sinister might have happened. So interestingly, the investigation actually began within the North Carolina Department of Insurance. And a spokesperson for that office told NBC News that after Stacey's death, Stacey's mother contacted them. And she said she was suspicious of the circumstances surrounding Stacey's death and of the fact that Hunsucker received over $200,000 from two life insurance policies belonging to Stacey. So that's when the North Carolina Department of Insurance decided to start investigating. So what did they uncover the investigators? Well, remember, there was no autopsy. So investigators didn't have a body to examine or exume, but what they did have was some of Stacey's blood.

According to the probable cause affidavit, Stacey had been an organ donor. And prior to her cremation, a sample of her blood had been preserved, as is the normal process of possible organ donation. And the affidavit states that the blood sample was sent to a lab for testing and came back positive for a chemical called tetrahydrozzaline, which is found in eyedrops. And according to this document, Stacey had 30 to 40 times the therapeutic dose in her system. We've seen this chemical come up in Dateline stories before. What does it do to the body, Marissa, when it's ingested? It seems just it has a nasty host of symptoms. It can cause vomiting, nausea, diarrhea, seizing, and even cardiac arrest.

After that chemical was found in Stacey's blood, insurance investigators sat down with Joshua Hunsucker to get his side of the story. What did he say? That's right. And this wasn't the first time he'd talked to investigators, but according to the affidavit, the stories he'd given the police and insurance companies had not been consistent. And an attorney for the North Carolina Office of Insurance said at a preliminary, hearing that while Hunsucker didn't confess anything to insurance investigators during that interview, he allegedly gave them probable cause to arrest him. Hunsucker was arrested in late 2019. That was over a year after Stacey died. He was charged

with first-degree murder, insurance fraud, and obtaining property by false pretenses. He has pleaded not guilty to those charges, as we mentioned. Has Hunsucker's legal team given any hints about how they plan to defend him? So that's the thing. We know that from the very beginning of this case, Hunsucker's defense team has argued that they would strenuously oppose the allegations. They pointed out Huntsucker had no criminal record, and in fact, he was released on bond a few days after his arrest. At a hearing in 2023, according to the local newspaper, the Gaston Gazette, Hansucker's defense asked to do their own testing on that blood sample, but we don't know what happened with that or whether it was even. tested, and what makes it hard to know much more about the defense and a lot of aspects of this case is that a judge has imposed a gag order. And so the attorneys really can't divulge anything about the case. Huntsucker was released on Bond. But as we mentioned, when we started this segment, that was not the end of his legal troubles. There are a whole bunch of strange

twists that we're about to talk about. Let us know about the first one. So in 2021, he's out on bond and Hunsucker gets arrested again, this time on an arson charge. And prosecutors alleged that back in 2019, he started a fire on a medical helicopter during a flight. We should say the prosecutor is not connecting that with Stacey's murder in any way, alleged murder. This is a separate case, right? Yeah. Yes, yes. It happened after the alleged murder, about a month before his arrest.

And he has pleaded not guilty in that case. Hunsucker hit the headlines again in 2023 when prosecutors accused him of faking his own kidnapping. Yeah, that's right. Prosecutors say Hunsucker called 911 with a disturbing story that he'd stopped to change a flat tire and was assaulted. And he'd had his hands up tied and was then injected with an unknown substance. And the person who he suggested was behind it was none other than. Stacey's father. And according to prosecutors, this just wasn't true, and the whole kidnapping

was staged. Do prosecutors have a theory about why Joshua would want to frame Stacey's dad? Well, according to the state, Hansucker has engaged in a pattern of harassment against Stacey's parents for some time. They say staging the kidnapping was part of that. According to local reporters, prosecutors argued an emotion to revoke Hunsuckers. bond that he was attempting to intimidate his in-laws so that they wouldn't testify against him in connection to the murder case. And they've charged Hunsucker with four counts of witness intimidation and obstruction of justice. Hard to believe, Marissa, but there is more. Prosecutors say Hunsucker also attempted to poison his own daughter. That's right. So prosecutors are now

alleging that Hunsucker gave one of his daughters that same chemical that was found in and that the daughter got seriously ill. We should point out he hasn't been charged with an alleged poisoning, and he has pleaded not guilty to all the new charges. We haven't really heard much from the defense on these allegations. A lot has happened in the nearly eight years since Stacey's death. After many delays, Joshua Hunsucker's long-awaited trial in the murder part of this, all of this, was set to begin last week in Gaston County, North Carolina.

but Marissa did not go as planned. Yeah, that's right. It looks like now his trial will likely be rescheduled for January 2027. And we don't know exactly why the trial was continued. And we may not know the reason for the delay until the trial starts. Fascinating case. We will be sure to follow up on this one. Marissa, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you so much, Andrea. Coming up, last minute. Defense filings throw the trial of the man accused of fatally stabbing Cleveland nurse Elisa Sherman into chaos. More than 13 years ago, Cleveland nurse and mother of four, Elisa Sherman was stabbed to death outside her divorce attorney's office. For 12 years, no one was charged. Then, in May 2025, a bombshell arrest. NBC affiliate WKYC covered the story. 51-year-old attorney, Gregory Moore, has been indicted on murder charges for the 2013 death of Alisa Sherman.

Prosecutors indicted Elisa's own divorce attorney accusing him of murdering her. They allege he did it because he wasn't prepared to take Alisa's divorce case to trial. Moore has pleaded not guilty. His trial was finally supposed to begin this Monday. Instead, Moore's defense team has filed motion after motion. Dateline field producer Simon Doolittle has been at the courthouse all week, keeping an eye on things. He's here now to bring us the last. latest. Hey, Simon. Hey, Andrea. Simon, so you were calling us from the courthouse corridor,

if we hear some sounds in the background. You expect a jury selection to start Monday, but it didn't. So what has been going on? Yeah, there has been a lot of anticipation for this trial. As you mentioned, 13 years since the murder, certainly for Lisa's family and loved ones, a seemingly endless way. A lot of us really did think things were going to get started at long last on Monday. But instead, seen a flurry of motions by the defense trying to either delay the trial or dismiss the charges altogether. All right. So before we get into these motions, remind us who Elisa was and what her situation was before she died. Yeah. I mean, Elisa was a 53-year-old nurse. By all accounts, a really adored mother, colleague, and friend. She had been married to her husband, Sanford

Sherman, a physician for more than 30 years. But at the time, in 2013, they were getting a divorce and it was a doozy. Yeah, so the divorce really comes into this because on March 24, 2013, the day she was killed, she was at Moore's office. She was right outside the door. And her divorce trial was supposed to get underway that week. Exactly. Exactly. And mostly what we know about Elisa's last day comes from the grand jury indictment. She gets there. The doors are locked.

And according to the indictment, she sends a series of text messages. She writes, will you be here soon? Kind of colds. Doors lock. If you're here, why don't you let me in?

Right around those moments, prosecutors say, someone with a knife, comes up behind her, chases her down the street, and ends up stabbing her more than 10 times. Police later released a video of

a clitted figure in dark clothing from a nearby surveillance camera, they say this was the attacker, fleeing the seat. Were they able to make out a face of this figure in the dark clothes? It's hard to identify the person from the video that was publicly released, and it's not clear from the indictment whether they believe that Moore himself did the stabbing or whether he simply orchestrated it. But what is clear is that even though it took 12 years to arrest him and charge him with this murder that they were looking at more from the earliest days of this investigation.

Police take his story of just didn't add up. He told him he had been in his office waiting for her, but according to the indictment, building records show that he re-entered a back door of the building after the attack. So in 2017, a few years after the murder, he actually pleads guilty to making false statements that is aware of us to police in the investigation. And he served several months in jail. And there was something else about more that made investigators take a closer look at him. Something very strange, Simon.

Walk us through this other piece of all of this. Yeah. So in 2012, this is before Elisa is murdered. Someone called bomb threats into three different courthouses here in the Cleveland area. And before the murder, prosecutors had started to look at whether Gregory Moore had made these bond threats as a way of delaying cases that he had in these courts. Moore eventually pleads guilty to inciting panic for two of those bond threats. Fast forward to today, and prosecutors do believe that that behavior sheds light on what may have motivated more to murder Alisa.

They essentially are arguing that Moore was taking even more extreme measures to delay a try. In this case, Elisa's divorce trial. Instead of calling him bomb threats, they think we initially planned to kidnap Elisa, but that somehow things escalated and she was killed exactly how we go from a kidnapping plot to murder is unclear. It's one of the things we're hoping to get clarity on in the trial. So we're talking about 12 years between Elisa's murder and more being arrested. And his defense is saying that that long. time period has made it impossible for them to defend their client properly. Yeah, Moore's attorneys

filed a motion asking the judge to dismiss the case because of those 12 years. They said witnesses had died, evidence had been lost. At an evidentiary hearing in July, the defense laid out leads, they say they would have pursued, had so much time not passed. One key witness, Simon, they say they lost access to was Alisa's estranged husband Sanford? Absolutely. Sanford died in 24. Look, you can certainly understand why defense attorneys are very concerned about Sanford. They brought a friend of his to the stand, a retired police officer who testified that Sanford wants to ask him how someone could commit the perfect crime. And he said he told Sanford things like the importance of not using a gun or a car that can be traced back to you. Investigators must have looked into Sanford early on.

he and Alisa were mid-divorce? Absolutely. And honestly, this was not just any divorce. It was a really, really messy divorce. In fact, there was a civil suit after Elisa's death brought by Alisa and Sanford's own daughter. And she alleges that he mismanaged millions of dollars, hid them from his wife, blew all that money on strippers and affairs on the side. and investigators did interview Sanford. He denied having anything to do with her murder,

and police say cell phone records back him up. He was nowhere near downtown when the attack happened. There was another lead. The defense said that they wished they could have explored, and that came up during the testimony of one of Alisa's former coworkers. Yeah. This former coworker testified that a threatening voicemail had been left at their office shortly before Elisa had been killed.

Who was it? This threatening voicemail. This is something the Pence is raising as a sort of tantalizing alternate theory of the case that because so much time has passed, they're really not in a position to chase down. How did the prosecution handle this? So prosecutors push back, essentially saying that none of this proves more can't still get a fair trial. And in August, the judge agreed and denied the motion to dismiss. That brings us to this week, Simon, the trial. was supposed to get underway Monday, and it didn't. What happened? Yeah, the defense filed motions requesting delays and, again, dismissing of the charges altogether. One of the things defense has

raised is, they say only recently had they received a really large volume of evidence, including 40,000 pages of an expert report. They claimed they didn't have time to go over at all and give an adequate defense. And then there's this fight over the lead prosecutor. The defense says he had been communicating with an attorney who represented Moore's earlier. Why is that a concern? Yes, raising the possibility of whether confidential information about Moore's defense could have been shared with prosecutors. Now, prosecutors vigorously deny any wrongdoing, say, such flimsy accusations never before in their career had they seen these sorts of accusations has been passed around. So things have gotten a little bit heated on that regard.

What was the judge's response to these motions? Well, on Tuesday, she denied all of them, which one would think opens the door for the trial to finally start. But the defense filed yet another motion. This time asking the judge to throw up the case, and they're alleging double jeopardy. Basically, they're saying the plea deal that Moore had back in 2017 to making false statements about his word of eyes to police should mean that he can't be charged with any crimes related to this incident. Prosecutors have responded to that allegation of double jeopardy calling this motion a bad attempt to toward justice for Lisa Sherman. So after all that, Simon, the judge denied the defense motion. So what's next? Well, in fact,

as soon as this call on, I'm going to go to the latest hearing and we will find out whether in fact The trial is going to start, perhaps as soon as tomorrow, or whether they'll be yet another delay. Thank you, Simon. Thank you, Andrew. Up next, it's time for Dateline Roundup. We've got updates in the David and Lindsay Clancy cases. And news from the prosecutor about what's next for Nick Reiner, the man accused of murdering his film director, dad, Rob Reiner, and photographer mom, Michelle Singer-Riner.

Plus, if a crime happens at sea, who gets the call? A special agent with the Coast Guard explains. Welcome back, everyone. Joining me for this week's roundup is Dateline booking producer Caitlin Cut. Hey, Caitlin. Hi, Andrea. So, Caitlin, for our first story, we have an update in the Lindsay Clancy case. The mother and former nurse who recently stood trial in Massachusetts for killing her three children.

She says she was suffering from postpartum psychosis. Clancy's trial ended, of course, in a dramatic mistrial due to the 11-to-1-1-9. jury deadlock. But Clancy's defense attorney, Kevin Reddington, is not ready to accept that. He has filed something called a renewed motion asking the court to find her not guilty. Caitlin, what is this motion all about? Okay. So what's interesting is that word renewed. Reddington has filed this motion twice during the trial, asking the court to find Clancy, not guilty. Both times the judge denied this motion. Now, Reddington is asking the judge to consider this motion for a third time. So what is the court?

the crux of this argument. Is there anything different from the last time he tried this? There is. Yeah. So he's arguing that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Clancy was sane when she killed her kids. What's different this time is that he's using what happened during jury deliberations to bolster his case. He's referring to the four person's note, which stated that the holdout juror admitted to having reasonable doubt, meaning according to Reddington, that every single juror had reasonable doubt about the prosecution's case and therefore the judge should acquit Clancy. Caitlin, the jury continues to be in the news this week with the spotlight, of course, being on the lone juror holdout. And we've actually learned more about him. Right. NBC10 in Boston did an investigation

into him and flagged that he had been arrested and charged with domestic violence in 2021. The criminal charge was later dismissed. But according to NBC Boston's reporting, last year, the juror's nephew filed a straining order against him after he allegedly punched his nephew in the face. NBC Boston attempted to contact the juror but has not received any response. We should say that having an arrest history or restraining order doesn't disqualify someone from serving on a jury under Massachusetts law, but the report stirred up a lot of controversy. A controversy, Caitlin, that has now gotten the judge's attention. Tell us how he is weighing in on this. Totally. So usually, juror information becomes public record once the trial ends. But in Clancy's case, the judge issued two orders this week,

sealing juror information. He said that the case has created real concerns of juror safety. He noted that some of the jurors have been identified publicly without permission and that at least one juror has received threats. Okay. Any news on what's next in the actual case? On September 29th, there is another hearing scheduled. So maybe we'll find out then what the prosecution's planning. Okay, lots ahead. Next up, there has been a development in the case of singer David, legal name David Anthony Burke, who was charged with the murder of 14-year-old Celeste Revis Hernandez. Prosecutors in Los Angeles alleged the singer was having a sexual relationship with Celeste who was under age.

They believe he killed her when she threatened to expose that relationship. David has pleaded not guilty and remains behind bars. Celeste's family has now filed a lawsuit. against the singer and some other people in his world, some people that we hadn't heard much about before. Yeah, that's right, Andrea. Celeste's parents filed a wrongful death lawsuit, which names David, obviously, as a defendant, but also his mother, Colleen, members of his management team, his live-in security guard,

and three companies connected to him. It's essentially saying that these people should all be held liable for Celeste's death. Specifically, what is the lawsuit saying about David's mother, Colleen? The lawsuit says that Colleen served as David's personal finance director who had control over his funds. The lawsuit claims that she therefore facilitated the relationship. And the lawsuit also alleges that Colleen hosted Celeste for one or more nights in her own home. So the 14-year-old could spend time with David suggesting she knew about and enabled the relationship. Now, it's really important to note here that Colleen is not charged with any crime.

And this lawsuit isn't saying that she was involved in the murder. Instead, it's claiming that Colleen's negligence, led to Celeste's death. NBC News has reached out to Colleen Burke but did not receive a response. The lawsuit also accused David of something that is not a charge that he's facing in the criminal case. So in the civil suit, it lists human trafficking. Yeah. This is an interesting strategy and compelling because Celeste family is arguing that what David did to Celeste constitutes human trafficking. According to the lawsuit, David gave Celeste shelter, money, food, design. sign her gifts in exchange for sexual acts. And the lawsuit says that this is tantamount to human

trafficking under the law, especially since she was a minor and could not consent to sex. David's criminal trial does not have a date set yet, but we will keep you posted on that and on the civil case. Our final story is also out of Los Angeles. Nick Reiner was back in court this week for a pretrial hearing. Nick allegedly murdered his parents, Hollywood director Rob Reiner and producer Michelle Singer-Riner in their LA home in December 2025. He has pleaded not guilty. Caitlin, what came out of this hearing? Well, Andrea, there's a few major updates here.

Right before the hearing started, Los Angeles District Attorney Nathan Hawkins spoke to the press outside of the Los Angeles courthouse, and he announced that prosecutors will not be seeking the death penalty in this case. We did speak with Nick Reiner's siblings. They made their views very clear. we took their views into consideration and ultimately deciding not to seek the death penalty. So this means that the maximum sentence that Nick would receive,

if convicted, will be life without parole. Do we know, Caitlin, any of the details in the case against him yet? They've been pretty tight-lipped. Yeah, no. The court has not released any details in this case. All court transcripts, including evidence in the case, are sealed. According, again, to the district attorney, Nick's siblings, Jake and Romney-Roy-Riner,

have asked the judge to keep them sealed because it would cause additional trauma for the family if the details about their parents' killings were disclosed. Has a trial date been set in this case? Nathan Hockman said in the press conference that in his estimate, the trial will not start before 2027. Okay, thank you for these updates, Caitlin. Thank you, Andrea. Recently, it feels like we've seen a lot of investigations that involve boats.

Just last week, we told you about the case of 18-year-old Anna Kepner, who was murdered on a cruise ship. In July, we covered the case of Mississippi teenager Nolan Wells, who was found dead after traveling to a beach party on a boat. And of course, there's the case that took me to the Bahamas in April, the mysterious disappearance of Lynette Hooker, who was living with her husband on their boat called the soulmate when she vanished. Tonight, what police are calling a search and rescue for a 56-year-old woman who vanished at sea in the Bahamas is intensifying. These cases made us wonder what goes into investigating a case on the water, and what makes it different from solving one on land.

Today we're joined by Caleb King, a special agent with the Coast Guard Investigative Service to give us the lowdown. Welcome to the podcast, Caleb. Thanks for having me. Yeah, so Caleb, you work with the Coast Guard Investigative Service or CGIS. What is your organization responsible for what types of cases do you deal with? We, as CGIS, what we really try to be good at is climbs on boats. And where CJA really tries to fit in, unlike any other agency, is just knowing all about boats and weather and systems on a boat and what should be there, what shouldn't be there. And also navigating the very complex nature of maritime law and the application of U.S. extraterritorial law for crimes that are committed on boats on the high seas or in U.S. waters.

And I know you deal with human trafficking, drug cases, murders. How do these cases end up on your desk? Sometimes a law enforcement partner, the Department of Justice, the Coast Guard itself may ask us to join a case. But I would say an increasing number of our cases are ones that we find out about on our own and initiate in the age of social media. We see a lot of things on the Internet that pique our interest for us. sure. The true crime type of cases, missing persons, murders, things like that. A lot of them, in the maritime domain, they start out as a search and rescue case. But when something doesn't look right with a search and rescue, you know, we take a look at it. And we try to be really good

at knowing what looks suspicious to determine if it really was a missing person or if there was foul play involved. The boats today are so sophisticated, you know, with their with their GPS and their radar. You must have to be so on top of all the electronics. Yes. So think about your car. I mean, a modern-day car is recording information about speed, braking, air conditioning. And think about a vessel that someone lives on that's put power systems and water systems

and navigation systems. We've got every manner of experts on what happens when there's an accident with a vessel, the dimensions, all of the things. different systems on a boat. We have expertise with a Coast Guard of how to understand what those things are. This, you know, this brings us to Brian Hooker's boat.

Brian and Lynette Hooker, Soulmate. Your organization ended up seizing that boat in Florida. You know, the soulmate is a U.S. flag vessel. So the Coast Guard has jurisdiction for crimes committed on that vessel essentially worldwide.

We knew we wanted to get the boat because as a crime scene, at sea, it's not like a crime that happens at your local bank or grocery store or local house where police just can go to it, you can secure it, bringing your forensics people. The boat is the scene and it moves. It's subject to weather. Boats can sink. But in TGIS, we know that if a crime happens on a boat, we've either have to get the boat or we have to get agents to the boat. And the Coast Guard used all of its resources, our aviation assets, our service assets and small boats, and we basically followed that boat when it left the Bahamas,

and we boarded and seized the boat about 40 miles off the coast of Florida and brought it back to the Southern District of Florida, and then a lot went into getting that boat, but I think it'll prove to be very important. If only we could be a fly on the wall. We'll have to wait and see if anything comes out eventually evidentiary-wise. We should remind listeners that Lynette's husband, Brian, has not been charged with a crime and says his wife, fell off their dingy. Just speaking generally, I think there are people who think I can get away with a crime because I'm on the water. There are no cameras. There are no witnesses. What would you say to anyone who thinks that this is, you know, possibly the perfect crime? Any criminal investigator, any

federal agent, any detective will tell you, you know, we only need the bad guy to mess up once. You know, we are going to seek every manner of digital evidence, physical evidence, interviews, you know, cameras, communication systems. And it's very difficult in this day and age to not slip up. Well, Special Agent King, thank you for joining us. We appreciate all that you do to keep our waterways and our oceans safe. Thank you for having me and giving the opportunity to talk a little bit about the Coast Guard Investigators Service. That's it for this episode of Dateline True Crime Weekly.

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