Dateline NBC - Good & Evil

Episode Date: September 20, 2021

When a woman's body is discovered at an Anaheim trash facility, a dedicated detective makes a promise to her mother to get justice. She doesn't know that search will bring her face to face with a seri...al killer. Keith Morrison reports.  

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Starting point is 00:00:00 She was on a conveyor belt. Only her feet were exposed. The workers thought it was a mannequin. Her last hours on earth were not pleasant. Young women, murdered or missing. Families in anguish. I would text her and she would text right back, but this time nothing. When they killed her, they killed me. A serial killer at work. And maybe he had a friend. That's crazy. They don't work together. Serial killers are loners.
Starting point is 00:00:32 Very rare. Two suspected killers on the hunt. Hunting them, a detective devoted to justice, and more. It's almost like you've adopted these young women. There was a lot of visits to my local church saying, please don't let me screw this up. Here's Keith Morrison with Good and Evil. How do you measure a mother's love or gauge the ferocity of her impulse to protect? Love her as much as I could was about the only thing.
Starting point is 00:01:07 How to measure love as visceral as the beating heart in her own body. She was my firstborn. She was my best friend. How to understand the four mothers you'll meet tonight and their connection. One that not one of them would ever have thought possible, not in a million years, any more than they would have expected to meet her, their guardian angel. If I don't bring her home, who will? It's a rare mystery that's truly a confrontation of good and evil. We have to go to the dark places in order to find answers. A rare mystery that needed an urgent answer before the evil struck again.
Starting point is 00:01:51 It was March 14, 2014, early morning. An army of garbage trucks made their growling, clanking way around the thousands of trash bins and dumpsters in Anaheim, California. Their destination, a landfill that is also a literal mountain of garbage, 500 feet high. And then, mid-morning, an attendant separating debris on the conveyor belt saw something. Was that a human foot protruding from the pile of trash? Surely not. She was on a conveyor belt. Only her feet were exposed.
Starting point is 00:02:31 And initially the workers there thought it was a mannequin. But it wasn't a mannequin, as the responding homicide detective, Julissa Trapp, could plainly see. It was, or had been, a woman. Her body wrapped in a blue plastic tarp. We had no idea who she was. We had no idea where she came from. How did she end up there?
Starting point is 00:02:56 Something about the dead girl got to Detective Trapp. Ending up this way. An anonymous child of God in a garbage dump. And so the detective did what she always does. She bought a rosary. It's a way for me to kind of connect to my victims. Unusual, maybe, that a detective should lean on her profound Catholic faith to help solve crimes. But Julissa Trapp does. Cases don't always get solved in 48 hours, you know. Surprise, surprise.
Starting point is 00:03:28 They take time and they take work. And that little rosary helps you. It does. If she could solve this case, she'd give that rosary to the dead woman's family. But first she had to figure out who she was. From just one identifying mark on her neck, a tattoo. Jodi. Was that her name?
Starting point is 00:03:51 Reaching now, Detective Trapp pulled up the Anaheim Police Department's database of tattoos. Yes, they have one. Descriptions of tattoos collected from anyone they encountered. And what do you know? There was a match. But her name was not Jodi. It was Jere. Jere Estep.
Starting point is 00:04:13 She was 21 years old. She had been contacted the year prior here in Anaheim on Beach Boulevard. Beach Boulevard? Suddenly Detective Trapp's case took on a whole new complexion. If you want to buy drugs, Beach Boulevard's Suddenly, Detective Trapp's case took on a whole new complexion. If you want to buy drugs, Beach Boulevard's where you come. If you are looking for a girl, Beach Boulevard's where you come.
Starting point is 00:04:33 A lot of them came from good, stable families that just happened to run in to the wrong guy who somehow got them into the job. I mean, these pimps are really good about breaking down the women and getting control over them. Making them a prime target for predators. A lot of predators will start with prostitutes because they think that people won't miss them. Somebody does. Yes, somebody does. Somebody does. Yes. Somebody does. Somebody did.
Starting point is 00:05:12 Like Jere's mother, who, records reveal, lived in a tiny town in Oklahoma. That tattoo on Jere's neck? This is Jodi. And even before the detective got the words out. I felt it, that she was gone. Her daughter had been so happy, so charming, outgoing. But then, said Jodi, a boyfriend convinced Jere that to please him, she'd have to turn tricks. This is Jere. He just honked, trying to get her attention.
Starting point is 00:05:39 John TV, a self-proclaimed video vigilante group in Oklahoma City, caught her on camera back in 2012. But Jere left the boyfriend, turned her life around, so Jodi thought. And then that awful phone call from Detective Trapp. I was screaming, like screaming. The detective made a promise to that mother. Didn't matter what choices Geray may have made. She, the detective, would work this case as hard as any she ever had. We literally went from each little motel to each little motel showing her picture and having the clerk run her name to
Starting point is 00:06:20 see if she had stayed there. And eventually she found the room where Geray had been staying, in which were $700 in cash and mascara, lipstick, contact lens solution, but nothing whatever to lead her to a suspect. Not here, anyway. From the disposal company, she got a list of the dumpsters those garbage trucks had serviced that morning. And then she and other officers went dumpster diving. Hundreds of dumpsters those garbage trucks had serviced that morning. And then she and other officers went dumpster diving. Hundreds of dumpsters. What would you be looking for? They were all given pictures of what the trash looked like that was around her. If it looked similar, take pictures of what's inside.
Starting point is 00:06:58 No luck. Waste of time. Then, back on the conveyor belt, an odd thing turned up in the trash collected near Geray's body. We got a print hit. Talking about a fingerprint. A fingerprint, yes. It was on a caulking tube. And it matched someone.
Starting point is 00:07:17 A window installer who worked for a company called Hardy Windows. He tells us we never throw trash out at customers' homes. We always bring it back to Hardy Windows. He tells us we never throw trash out at customers' homes. We always bring it back to Hardy Windows. Where they found one dumpster no one had checked. The trash company, inadvertent, had left it off the list they gave the police. Detective Trapp looked inside. It's that same blue plastic wrapping.
Starting point is 00:07:46 And it was almost like I was looking at the same trash I had seen on the conveyor belt. Bingo. And if not for that lucky fingerprint, they'd have missed it. What was that like? It was a combination of frustration, but okay, all right, we're moving somewhere. So DeRay was dumped here sometime before the morning of March 14th, miles and miles from the spot where, according to cell phone records, she placed her very last outgoing call at 7 p.m. the night before. How far away would it have been? 20 miles. But that's all the detective knew.
Starting point is 00:08:28 A week gone by. Everyone at Hardy Windows was cleared, so no suspects at all. Detective Trapp went to church, said her rosary, worried, prayed, and wondered. I had heard a story on the news that there was three missing prostitutes in the city of Santa Ana. Which is right next door, basically. Right next door, yes. What if this wasn't the killer's first time? Or last? Coming up, four young women in two neighboring towns now missing or dead.
Starting point is 00:09:03 Was there a link? We were like, well, you know, what are the odds that they're related? And mothers united by love and loss. We made thousands of flyers. Me and her were on our mission to find our daughters. Detective Julissa Trapp couldn't sleep, kept awake by the puzzle of the girl someone threw away in the trash. That's when something jogged her restless mind. Hadn't some young woman vanished in the town next door, Santa Ana? We were like, well, you know, what are the odds that they're related?
Starting point is 00:09:56 So she looked them up and learned about Kiana Jackson, just 20 years old when she disappeared five months before Geray's death. Her mom is Kathy Menzies. She was just a very fun-loving child, always made you laugh. Just look at her childhood photos, that silly grin. She loved her dog, her little brother, playing softball. And then it started happening, said Kathy, eighth grade or so. She was kind of getting, you know, typical teenage, you know, mouthy. And then, you know, high school came. Getting around the older kids, she kind of got a little, you know, worse. How'd you cope with that? It's just one day at a time. I love her as much as I could. It was about the
Starting point is 00:10:36 only thing. After high school, Keanu went to college about a three-hour drive from home. A year later, she moved to Las Vegas, but though far from home now, she got closer and closer to her mom. She would call me every day, talk to me every day, you know, text message. Just a loving daughter. Yeah, I didn't think anything bad was happening. No idea. Even in October 2013, when Kiana called to say... She was on the bus towards Santa Ana. Did she tell you why? Visiting friends is what she told me. But then, the girl who called her mother almost daily stopped calling.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Anything over a day or two, I would start going, wait a second, this isn't right, something's not right. I would text her, and she would text right back. But this time, nothing, nothing. Gone. Not a peep to her mom, to her friends, to her boyfriend. Kathy went to the police. When I called to file a missing persons report, they said she's an adult and there's nothing we can do for you. But you knew that there was a problem. Yeah. So Kathy started doing her own digging, tracked her daughter down to a motel in Orange County, where the trail ended. Her clothes were there, but she wasn't. Again, she called the
Starting point is 00:11:53 police. And they said, well, that happens. Sometimes prostitutes just work circuits. Prostitute? First, I was like, no, what? Okay, no, that can't be. But then the truth came crashing down, undeniable. Kiana had missed a scheduled court date in Santa Ana for a prostitution charge. But wait a minute, you talked to her every day. Texted with her all the time. Exactly. And you knew nothing of this secret life of yours? Nope, nothing.
Starting point is 00:12:21 What does it feel like as a mother to hear that? It's been going on all that time and you didn't know. Heartbreaking. When she heard Kathy's story, Detective Trapp began to think she was on to something. And then she discovered that just two and a half weeks after Kiana disappeared, there was another one. Josephine Monique Vargas. She had a beautiful personality.
Starting point is 00:12:43 They used to call her Giggles because she always made people laugh. Josephine's mother, Priscilla, had been on the local news searching for answers for months, ever since her daughter left a family barbecue telling them she was walking to buy groceries. That's the last time any of us heard of her or saw her. Priscilla went to the Santa Ana Police Department,
Starting point is 00:13:04 filled out a report. But they didn't really do anything to, saw her. Priscilla went to the Santa Ana Police Department, filled out a report. But they didn't really do anything to look for her. So she did. Nothing was going to stop me from looking for my daughter. Nothing or no one. And it was pure chance when Priscilla ran into another mother desperate to find her daughter, Martha, 28 years old and a mother herself, who just
Starting point is 00:13:27 vanished one day. There's no way she would have left. To just say, I'm going and I'm leaving everything behind. So Martha's mother, Helinda, and Priscilla went together up and down the boulevard. We made thousands of flyers. Me and her were on our mission to find our daughters. But no sign of their daughters anywhere.
Starting point is 00:13:52 Detective Trapp collected their portraits, hung them on her office wall, and she stayed awake and prayed in her Catholic way. Do you ever wonder why God would allow this to happen? I do. There's been plenty of times that I've been angry with our maker
Starting point is 00:14:09 because you have to wonder, why does this happen? I mean, I wish he would talk back to me and tell me. That would be very helpful. But I just have to figure out what happened. Just read the clues, collect the puzzle pieces, and the more you can kind of keep a neutral mind, the easier the puzzle pieces fit together. No getting around kind of keep a neutral mind, the easier the puzzle pieces fit together. No getting around it. The pieces pointed to a chilling conclusion. Those three
Starting point is 00:14:31 missing women, just like Geray, may have been murdered. And if that was true, it would mean there was a serial killer out there in the night. Had to be. More deaths would be coming. Unless... One idea. It was grasping at straws, yes. But... You know what? It might work now. Why not? It's a Hail Mary, but let's try it. Coming up... All sex offenders on parole, they will have an anklet, a GPS monitor. Tracking a killer, victim by victim, or is it two killers?
Starting point is 00:15:07 They were in the same car. They were in the same vehicle. When Dateline continues. The autopsy came in. The one for Jarey Estep, the girl on the conveyor belt. It's bad. It was bad. It was bad. Strangled, beaten, sexually assaulted, viciously,
Starting point is 00:15:40 according to Deputy D.A. Larry Yellen. Should have been a college girl. Should be worrying about grades and boyfriends and football games and those things. One wrong turn and you never know. Yeah. But almost three weeks in, Detective Julissa Trapp seemed stuck. I think she got a little frustrated and got a little desperate and came up with the idea of using the computer database. That is, the computer database of sex offenders.
Starting point is 00:16:11 If they had a serial killer on their hands, there was at least a chance he'd already run afoul of the law at some point. It was a bit like just poking a finger into the haystack, frankly, and hoping to encounter a needle. But worth a try. So Trapp called this woman, sexual assault detective Laura Lomelli. All sex offenders on parole, they will have an anklet, a GPS monitor. Trapp asked Lomelli, were any of those GPS monitors here where Jarae placed her last phone call,
Starting point is 00:16:42 or here, where she wound up in a dumpster. And if you find the same guy at both locations, you're getting somewhere. Lomeli ran the search. And what were the chances she got a hit in both locations? She called Detective Trapp. There's only one person. She said, I know him.
Starting point is 00:17:02 I said, who? And she said, his name's Frank Cano. He's a registered sex offender. In 2007, Frank Cano pleaded guilty to committing a lewd act on a minor. He was now on parole wearing a GPS monitor. But now, next question. Did Frank Cano's monitor put him near the places those other three women, according to phone records, made their last calls. Kiana, Josephine, and Martha. One by one, the detective edited the coordinates. And every intersection for that date and time that they gave me, Frank Kano came up.
Starting point is 00:17:40 Wow. For every single intersection, I was shocked. But something about that man, Frank Cano, he had a buddy, and Lomeli had run into them both. I mentioned, you know, I do know that he has a friend that's Stephen Gordon. Stephen Gordon. He'd done time for molesting a minor and later for kidnapping. He and Kata were inseparable, apparently.
Starting point is 00:18:10 Once again, Detective Lomeli pulled up the GPS coordinates. She checked the place Martha was last seen in Santa Ana and... No Gordon. Not there. But when she checked locations for Kiana and Josephine, sure enough, there he was. So why not at the first location? She checked the record and discovered at that particular moment, Gordon wasn't on a GPS monitor. But he was wearing one at the other three places.
Starting point is 00:18:41 And so was Kano. The electronics made it absolutely obvious. Here they were, Kano and Gordon driving together up and down Beach Boulevard and all around Santa Ana and Anaheim. I mean, even when they're on the freeway, they were in the same car. They were in the same vehicle.
Starting point is 00:18:59 Julissa Trapp had prayed for a Hail Mary, but she never expected anything like this. I soon realized I'm not just dealing with one. We're dealing with two. Two sex offenders wearing GPS bracelets. But for all the electronic cross-referencing,
Starting point is 00:19:20 the case against Cano and Gordon was purely circumstantial. Detective Trapp could not arrest them, not without more evidence. And that was terrifying. I mean, there were young women who were at real risk here. Yes. And if you waited too long, how would you feel if somebody else was attacked? Let me just say, there was a lot of rosaries that were being prayed for sure. She set up a surveillance team to watch Cano and Gordon around the clock and got authorizations for wiretaps and pulled cell phone records. Well, we started reading the text messages and started seeing how prolific they were at hunting.
Starting point is 00:19:57 Hunting? Hunting on almost a daily basis and how nonchalant they were about it. It was almost like ordering takeout. When you start reading, what do you feel like today, Asian or Mexican? Oh boy. What would they call these girls? That was the other thing. Cats. Cats? Cats. Be careful. When the cat knows it isn't getting away, it's going to fight.
Starting point is 00:20:30 The next victim couldn't be far away because Gordon texted Cano, kitty cat later, yes, to which Cano responded, okay. And then a sudden change. Had they spotted the surveillance? As Trap listened to the wiretap, she heard Gordon talk to Cano about skipping town. I could hear the desperation in Frank Cano's voice. That desperation just kind of sent a hair on the back of my neck, and I said, no, I'm not waiting anymore. They're going to run.
Starting point is 00:20:59 They're going to run. Time to move, fast. They caught up to Frank Cano as he was boarding a bus. And Steve and Gordon, they found him where he worked, an auto body shop next door to Hardy Windows. But... He made a run for it. Ran out the door. On a bicycle. Yes.
Starting point is 00:21:18 He had a little collision with one of our surveillance units and a little flying over the handlebars, and he was taken into custody. Both men were charged with four counts each of first-degree murder and forcible rape. Hi, Stephen. And Detective Trapp prepared to confront a suspected serial killer.
Starting point is 00:21:42 Coming up... I knew this was going to be a lot different than any other interview I had done. Takeout with a killer. It is spicy. I told you. I told you to be careful. For six months, Kathy Menzies waited for news about her daughter, Kiana. Still woke up every day, hoping she'd call or text and dreading a knock at the door. Which, in April 2014, is what happened. My heart sunk when they came because I knew right away that it wasn't going to be good news.
Starting point is 00:22:33 No, not good news at all. Anaheim police told her that two men, Frank Cano and Stephen Gordon, were now under arrest for the murder of her daughter and three other young women in Orange County. What were you like that night? I just wanted to sleep. I wanted to, like, go to sleep and wake up and pinch myself. And make it a different world. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Detective Julissa Trapp wanted to speak with both men, of course. But Cano lawyered up. So she tried Gordon, still in a wheelchair, after his bike accident. Hi, Stephen. Hi. How are you? And I knew this was going to be a lot different than any other interview I had done. He's cunning, manipulative.
Starting point is 00:23:22 He didn't have to talk to you. He did not have to talk to me. Are you cold? Do you want a blanket? No, you don't mind? No, no, no, no. But Detective Trapp has a way, as they say. You're actually compassionate. Thank you. You're welcome.
Starting point is 00:23:34 You were kind to him. You brought him a blanket. All righty. Food. Here is our chips. Yes, we actually shared two meals together. It is spicy. I told you. I told you to be careful. Even so, Gordon was reluctant at first.
Starting point is 00:23:52 I can't doubt you. Would you rather talk to somebody else? I don't want to talk to anybody. He watched me very carefully. If I swallowed too hard, if I looked at him differently, you know, he would say, what's wrong? You had a weird look on your face when I said where, why? When I said where?
Starting point is 00:24:10 So he was constantly trying to keep a poker face to continue to elicit information from him. Did he try to play you? Oh, I think he definitely thinks he did. For sure. Bit by bit, she pulled out answers. For herself and for those four mothers. Did she go by the name Kayla?
Starting point is 00:24:36 It starts with a K. Kiana. No, she told me her name was Kayla. Detective Trapp presented him with photographs. He identified all four women. So her, her, her, right? Each murder went the same way, he said. He and Cano picked them up in his SUV, drove them back to the auto body shop where Gordon worked.
Starting point is 00:24:59 They took turns having their way. And then, just as each woman prepared to leave... Strangled her with my hands. You strangled her? Some of the details in that 13-hour interview were almost more than even a seasoned detective could stand to hear.
Starting point is 00:25:19 As he was hurting Martha, she told him, I didn't believe in God what I do now. There's a part of me that's grateful that she found God at the end. It's disturbing to me that in response he said, you picked a hell of a time to start believing in God. I'll never forget that. But she had it, a full confession. She called Jere's mother, Jodi.
Starting point is 00:25:57 I dropped to my knees. Detective Trapp gave me her word that she would find who killed my daughter. Detective Trapp had kept her word. Now she bought three more rosaries and wondered, could she bring those women home? Gordon had told her all of them had been left in the same dumpster, the contents of which were brought here, Orange County's Brea Olinda Landfill.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Where, except for DeRay, they all still were in there somewhere. We did a lot of research, and we had every intention to try to dig for them. But the bodies had to be 40 feet deep by now. Digging for them would cost millions. They might never be found. And the county couldn't afford that. And they're just over there somewhere, you know? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:26:53 40 feet down. Mm-hmm. What's that like? What's that feel like? It's frustrating. It's frustrating knowing that they're here and we can't bring them home. That it's like the one thing that the mothers want, and I get it, and to not be able to do that, it feels, it's incomplete.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Does it drive you crazy? Yes, it does. Kathy Menzies knows, logically, her daughter Kiana must be dead. But how to truly accept it without her body? I would go there today and start digging if they would let me. Matters, doesn't it? It does matter. Getting her back.
Starting point is 00:27:37 Yeah. You give birth to them, you've got to see them right through to the end. Yep, exactly. Exactly. Streets don't bother me. In an attempt to make sense of it all, Kathy asked Detective Trapp and her partner Bruce Lynn to drive her to the place where the killers had picked up Kiana. She wanted to go to this last spot. Why? May I ask why? Kind of because it was like the last known spot that she was at, that I was told she was alive at that spot.
Starting point is 00:28:08 So kind of a closure, you know, just to see where she was at when before they took her, you know. About broke her heart to do it. Take this tour of her daughter's last hours. I think this is the dead end street that Gordon kind of entered and turned around. And somewhere in this little intersection right here is where she was at. Just an ordinary place, but so painful. It was hard. It's difficult to see.
Starting point is 00:28:50 I mean, it's not what I expected, the area. I mean, you know, of course, what she was doing is no mother's wish. But just to see this area, to know that it wasn't what I envisioned. It wasn't a dirty, dark, nasty, gross area. Kathy found some peace in that, the knowing, the seeing. But why Kiana's life was taken? So much harder to comprehend. I don't think I'll ever be able to accept it.
Starting point is 00:29:21 It's hard. It's hard. Criminal trials are one way that grieving find answers. And with a confession on tape, the trial of Stephen Gordon looked like a formality. Or so the prosecutor might have hoped. And then the judge made that ruling. Oh, boy. Coming up, a suspected serial killer acting as his own attorney turns the case against him upside down. It's the piece that brings everything together, and now it's gone. When Dateline continues. News. Orange County Deputy D.A. Larry Yellen liked his chances against accused serial killer
Starting point is 00:30:17 Stephen Gordon, especially when Gordon decided to act as his own defense attorney. He's very bright, very bright. Smart enough to know he shouldn't know how to be doing his own defense attorney. He's very bright. Very bright. Smart enough to know he shouldn't know how to be doing that sort of thing. Definitely. Smart enough to know that he shouldn't be representing himself. But expectation can be a dangerous thing. Before the trial even began, Gordon struck the prosecutor's case a major blow.
Starting point is 00:30:44 Remember that moment early in his interview when he seemed to reject Detective Trapp's questioning? I can't talk to you. Would you rather talk to somebody else? I don't want to talk to anybody. Gordon argued that continuing the interview at that point was a Miranda violation. Even though Detective Trapp had read him his rights at the outset, the judge agreed, ruled that the jury could not see a frame of Gordon's confession. When he makes the ruling that it's out, it's a punch in the stomach.
Starting point is 00:31:18 Oh, man, because what are you missing then? Everything. Well, a confession. It's the piece that brings everything together and focuses on the four girls. And now it's gone. All of these women have a special meaning for me. And when it got thrown out, I had a really hard time. But then Gordon asked for a meeting and sprang another surprise.
Starting point is 00:31:42 He wanted Yellen to drop the rape charges. And what would he give you in return? He said, I'll give you a statement that you can use against me in this case. Okay, Mr. Gordon, we're going to start by reading you your... And so on the eve of trial, Detective Trapp once again sat face to face with Stephen Gordon. And he, once again, took her through each crime. Fair to say that your intention was to pick up a prostitute and ultimately kill her? Yes.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Okay. That was played for the jury. And then, how bizarre was this? Gordon suddenly decided he wanted the jury to hear his first confession, too. Which meant that the mothers had to hear every graphic detail of their daughter's murders. And then I thought, maybe I prayed that rosary a little too hard because now we've got two statements in. The jury wasted no time convicting Gordon of four counts of murder.
Starting point is 00:32:34 Guilty of the crime of felony to... They recommended the death penalty. I'll order that the verdicts be recorded. For four mothers, a measure of justice. Thank you. Kathy Menzies had sat through the entire trial, as brutal as it was. What has it done to your understanding of human beings? They're evil.
Starting point is 00:32:56 There's lots of evil in this world. Lots of it. The mothers would not have to sit through another trial. Murder in the first degree. How do you plead to that, guilty or not guilty? Guilty. In 2022, Frank Cano pleaded guilty to four counts of rape and murder. He was sentenced to life without parole. For Detective Trapp, it was a measure of relief. And finally, she gave those rosaries to four grieving mothers.
Starting point is 00:33:26 It's interesting to discover in this line of work that Homicide detectives are actually softies. I think that the more you allow yourself to feel, the better you're going to be as a detective. And we have to go to the dark places in order to find answers. The quicker we can get in and out, you know, the better it is for all of us. Answers from dark places. We went to the jail where Gordon was kept before his transfer to death row.
Starting point is 00:33:53 Here he was, a man who claimed to know the nature of his evil acts. But did he, we wondered. I screwed up. Is screwed up the right expression to use? Probably not. I just didn't want to say it, what I really think. Well, why don't you?
Starting point is 00:34:15 It's beyond evil, what happened. What me and him did was beyond evil. But then came, sure enough, the excuse. He's worked it out in his head that the parole system is somehow to blame for his crimes. After all, as sex offenders, he and Frank Cano shouldn't have been permitted to be together. That was a parole violation. And the fact that their parole officers didn't prevent that violation, he said, means the state is responsible. We chose to be together because we were allowed. There's a difference.
Starting point is 00:34:51 But no, no, I mean, are you three? What do you mean? That's what little kids say to their parents. You let me do a bad thing. It's your fault. No, I didn't say they let us do a bad thing. I said they let us sleep and hang out at the same spot. And they did. Beside what anybody believes. You're going to parse that argument? Until the day I die, because I know for a fact it's true. What I want to know is, because that's on you, what was going on in your head to make you want to do it? To participate in whatever way you participated? To get whatever thrill you...
Starting point is 00:35:24 What was the thrill? What was it? I don't think there was a thrill. Well, if there's no thrill, why'd you do it? There's no thrill in watching women die like that. But I'm gonna go back to it again and again. It was my anger issues that I have from everything that happened while we were on parole and probation.
Starting point is 00:35:45 We may never know exactly why Geray was killed, or Martha, or Josephine, or Kiana, but there's one more mystery hiding somewhere in this mountain, the final mystery. Coming up... To me, she's an angel in disguise. An angel that carries a badge and a gun. An angel whose job isn't done.
Starting point is 00:36:12 He looks at me and he goes, you're missing one. Four mothers, four dead daughters. There is sorrow, of course. When they killed her, they killed me. And a measure of solidarity to have each other, especially Priscilla and her Linda. Now that we know what's happened to our daughters, I know we will still be friends until the end, because she's walking in the same shoes I am. We asked them about Julissa Trapp.
Starting point is 00:37:04 This case was solved because of her. To me, she's an angel in disguise. An angel that carries a badge and a gun. Their own guardian angel who brought all of them answers. But how, the moms wondered, did two men who were supposed to be under supervision by parole officers, who were being tracked in real time via GPS ankle bracelets, how could they have committed the terrible crimes they were charged with? How could this happen? How can this happen? Why were they not being monitored? But it was definitely a hard question to get from the mothers themselves as well.
Starting point is 00:37:46 Why wasn't it cut sooner? Can we actually look at the 14th? As for Detective Trapp, there was one last mystery to solve. Yes. Yeah. Because when she first talked to Stephen Gordon, he revealed something she wasn't expecting. He looks at me and he goes, you're missing one. Which caught me off guard, and I tried not to show too much emotion.
Starting point is 00:38:17 And I said, okay. And that was the first time I learned about Jane Doe was from him. Jane Doe was from him. Okay. Jane Doe. According to Gordon, there was a fifth victim. Did she say where she was from? She said she was from Compton, but... I feel a responsibility, because Jane Doe is not a missing person.
Starting point is 00:38:38 She's an unknown, and I feel like if I don't look for her, who will? I know there is a family out there wondering where she is. And so she looked. She combed through missing persons reports. She put up flyers, searched, prayed, and, yes, bought another rosary. Why is it so important to give Jane Doe a name?
Starting point is 00:39:05 To you, personally. I just think because she's so helpless. You're on the street, you're working as a prostitute, and you run into Steve Gordon and Frank Cano, and your last hours on this earth are horrific. And then they discard you like trash. Trash. Detective Trapp is still haunted by trash. A bat keeps bringing her mind back here. Even though it is a landfill, I mean,
Starting point is 00:39:49 it is quite peaceful when it's quiet. Somewhere under here, in addition to Kiana, Josephine, and Martha, there was victim number five. And so Detective Trapp worked her sources until she had a name. It would be reasonable to say, okay, that's her. She's here. Logically, yes, absolutely. And yet, when we first spoke with her, she couldn't quite bring herself to tell yet another mother her suspicions. I, not only do I have to go tell her she's dead, I have to tell her that she's one of these girls. So that's going to be hard, I think.
Starting point is 00:40:24 And then a couple of months later, she let us know She'd called on the fifth mother and delivered the news That Sable Pickett, just 19 years old Crossed paths with Gordon and Cano on the streets of Orange County And did not survive No charges are pending for her murder But another family can finally stop wondering. Homicide detectives often tell us they work for the dead. Up here on Landfill Mountain, we understood that a little better. As Detective Julissa Trapp gripped her rosary, the one for Sable, we walked away and gave her time,
Starting point is 00:41:02 and our microphone picked up something. Hail Mary, for the grace of God has been made. Blessed are the blessed is the fruit of Jesus. Mountains of trash, things we use and cast away. But for
Starting point is 00:41:21 Detective Julissa Trapp, this will always be hallowed ground. It's hard to look at that and know that's where you ended up, but I know you guys are all in a better place, and I know that you're together and you're helping each other. You can rest now, and I can take it from here. That's all for now.
Starting point is 00:41:50 I'm Lester Holt. Thanks for joining us.

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