Dateline NBC - Something Sweet

Episode Date: December 26, 2023

In this Dateline classic, a retired corrections officer mysteriously dies from antifreeze poisoning in rural Ohio. Detectives uncover multiple suspects during a five-year investigation that causes two families to collide. Josh Mankiewicz reports. Originally aired on NBC on December 11, 2015.

It was one lie after another lie after another lie after another lie. It doesn't make any sense, does it? No. You took my father. You killed my father. Somebody's going to pay for this. My dad was in the hospital. How did he look?

Horrible. Antifreeze poisoning was already suspected, so you were looking pretty specifically for that. No question. Wives kill their husbands. We see that quite often. This was not a good marriage. She failed her polygraph test.

When you discover that somebody else tried to kill your victim and is now out of prison, that changes everything. It does. Robert sent Raymond a letter bomb. Did you wonder whether he had anything to do with it? Absolutely. It just felt like we were getting swept under the rug. Some people would have given up in that instance. How could you?

It's your father. Your father was murdered. You're not going to give up. The course of true love takes some strange twists and turns, particularly when it flows out of an online dating site. Occasionally, a cyber fling blossoms into a marriage. This is the story of one of those marriages. What went right and what did not. Back in 2002, Ray Katomsky was a 60-year-old, happily retired former corrections officer living comfortably by himself

in a house in the Pennsylvania woods after his 36-year marriage had ended in divorce. Ray had three grown children. Monica is his middle child. Tell me about your dad. A man's man. He loved outdoor kind of stuff. He loved hunting, fishing, a hard worker. He had a heart of gold. After his divorce from Monica's mother, Ray

was lonely. The next step was as close as his keyboard. So he tried online dating. Yeah. Yeah. Did you make that face when he said he was doing it? Yes, absolutely I did. Yes. Yes, I did. You said you never know who you're going to wind up with. That's right. Yeah. And one day he tells you he met someone? Well, he just said that he liked her. He's going to go on a few dates with her. The woman Ray met was Teresa Bowers-Lovin. She lived one state over in Ohio. A 43-year-old nurse's assistant, Teresa had three kids herself,

a grown daughter and son, and a younger son at home. I've kind of known her my whole life. Beth Burcham is a friend of Teresa's who grew up with Teresa's daughter, Sarah. The three women all went to meet Ray on that first date. She was like, well, I'm going to go meet him. Do you guys want to go with me? So what did she think about him? She's like, oh, I really like this guy. I'm going to see him again. And see him again, she did. Soon, Teresa was driving two hours to be with Ray on weekends. Teresa's son, Josh, was a high schooler when his mom and Ray got together.

He made my mom happy. She definitely hasn't smiled like that in years, you know. What'd she like about him? My mom was a big country music fan. I think that was her Kenny Rogers in the making right there. She thought Ray looked like Kenny Rogers. That was kind of like what we joked with her about, but I mean, she definitely thought he was handsome. Things were clearly clicking for Josh's mom and Ray. In May 2004, they got married. Friends and family say Ray couldn't do enough for Teresa, starting with an elaborate wedding. Your dad kind of doted on Teresa. Yes. Spent a lot of money on her. Yes. Did whatever she wanted.

Absolutely. Took her out. Pamperedhmm. Pampered her. Absolutely. Sounds like he was sort of an old-fashioned gentleman type. Yes, he was. It seemed a match made in cyber heaven. The Newlyweds bought a house close to Teresa's family in Ashtabula County, Ohio. But happily ever after did not last. In October 2006 came a terrible blow. Teresa's daughter was killed in a car crash,

leaving her infant daughter and toddler son without a mom. Roy Lovin Jr. is Teresa's older son and Sarah's brother. She was 21 years old, on her way to work one morning, and I guess hydroplaning, swerving, hit a tree. Parents are not supposed to bury their children. No. And then the fact that she had two little babies, two little kids, and the fathers were not really in the picture. Somebody had to step up and take them kids.

And that was your mom? She was the first one with her hands out, ready and willing to take them. Teresa and Ray transitioned from the joy of hand them back when they're crying grandparents to the daily grind of surrogate parents to two-year-old Gavin and baby Helena. Then, not long after Teresa's daughter's death, another body blow. Teresa's granddaughter Helena was diagnosed with cancer. Ray Katomsky did the right thing. He and Teresa were soon spending alternating weeks at a Cleveland hospital where baby Helena was being treated. Ray even shaved his own head when the little girl lost her hair from the chemo.

It sounds like he really sort of bonded with Helena. Oh, absolutely, yeah. He had mentioned to a family member that he felt that God put him here exactly at that time for a reason, and it was to take care of her. Helena's cancer went into remission, but Ray and Teresa's relationship suffered collateral damage. According to Teresa's relationship suffered collateral damage. According to Teresa's family, the strain of becoming a father again had made Ray toxic. He was, they said, angry and drinking more beer than usual. Mom was scared.

So Mom couldn't tell him to cut back on his drinking. I mean, he was stressed out or something was going on there. Sounds like a pretty unhappy guy. Totally. Ray's family says he was fine and that his drinking was never a problem. But by August 2009, Teresa apparently had enough of Ray. She and the grandchildren moved to an apartment in a nearby town. On Tuesday, August 11th, a few days after she moved out, Teresa and Ray

reconciled enough to take the grandkids to lunch and feed the fish at a state park. The following day, Teresa left the children with her friend Beth and went back to the house to do laundry. What Teresa said she found when she got there mid-morning was a clearly sick, nearly naked, somewhat incoherent Ray. He refused to let her call a doctor. Teresa told Beth about it. She said he was acting so weird when she came back to get the kids, and he wasn't feeling good. The next morning, when she couldn't reach Ray on the phone, Teresa asked her mother, who lived near Ray, to check on him. When Teresa's mom got to the house, she found Ray unconscious.

She called Teresa, who alerted 911. Is everything okay? No, I need an ambulance. Okay, we're going down. Barely, not. It's my husband. All right, I'll send the ambulance. All right, thank you.

Teresa phoned Beth and raced to be with Ray. What did she say had happened? That her mom had found him on the floor naked, unresponsive. The ambulance arrived at the house around the same time as Teresa. EMTs scrambled to stabilize Ray. Teresa rode with her husband to the nearest hospital. There, an emergency room team struggled to revive him. But whatever ailed Ray, it was too serious a case for the local hospital. He was taken to a level two trauma center in Erie, Pennsylvania, and he was barely clinging to life. A medical crisis,

but also a mystery. What had happened to Ray? I didn't know what to think. Nothing was making any sense. But when investigators look more closely, they find something suspicious. He had those crystals. There was no question. No question. A worried family converged on Hammett Medical Center in the ICU, Ray Katomsky lay deathly ill. Doctors tried to determine what

was killing him. And blood work told the story. Ray had somehow ingested a toxic dose of ethylene glycol, antifreeze. But it looked as if they had figured it out too late. Even in small amounts, just a few ounces, antifreeze is almost always fatal. Ray's daughter Monica was with her dad. He was just laying in bed. How did he look? Horrible. What were you thinking? I didn't know what to think because nothing was making any sense. Ray Katomsky had missed the narrow window in which antifreeze poisoning can be reversed. End-of-life discussions with doctors began. As his wife, it was Teresa's call. Three days after he was admitted to the hospital, Teresa told the doctors to let him go. Her son Josh watched Teresa make that agonizing decision. She was devastated, absolutely devastated.

I could see it in her face. Hard to do. Ray's death was referred to Dr. Eric Vey, the medical examiner in the Erie County Coroner's Office. By the time Mr. Katomsky got to you, antifreeze poisoning was already suspected, so you were looking pretty specifically for that. My job at autopsy was just to confirm the presence of the oxalate crystals in the kidney, which clearly indicated that he had ethylene glycol on board. And he had those crystals, there was no question? No question, slam dunk. The medical examiner determined that the cause of death was ethylene glycol poisoning,

but the manner of death was listed as undetermined. Teresa said Ray told her he drank something sweet around the time he got sick, and antifreeze had a very sweet taste. She also told the ER doctor in the Ohio hospital that Ray had been threatening to kill himself. It was looking like suicide. Ray's children didn't buy it. What were you thinking? The only thing I was thinking was I didn't believe the whole,

he drank something sweet, it was antifreeze. My dad would never do that. All of us knew that. And so when Ray Katomsky died, the wheels of justice began to slowly spin. Taylor Cleveland was a detective with the Ashtabula County Sheriff's Office. We received a call from the Erie County Coroner's Office, and they wanted to give us the earliest heads up that they could that there was probably something in this case, Raymond Katomsky's death,

that was not natural, something that was quite possibly a homicide. If this was homicide, investigators had plenty of work to do. Raymond had been a corrections officer. Yes. And had unquestionably during his career dealt with some pretty bad guys who were locked up. Yes. Cops started looking into Ray's past to see if someone was settling an old score. Three days after his death, Tex processed Teresa

and Ray's house as a crime scene, but it had been cleaned by the time they got there. Ray's bedding was in an outside trash can. There were numerous crushed beer and Dr. Pepper cans. And in the garage, right where you'd expect to find them, were two containers of antifreeze. One sealed, one open. And that told investigators nothing, because there were no fingerprints or DNA on either container. How long after Raymond died did you speak with Teresa?

A couple days after. So she had to be a suspect pretty much right from the get-go. Unfortunately, wives kill their husbands, and we see that quite often. So you have to at least look at her. Teresa laid out for investigators her actions in the days leading up to Ray's death. She again said she'd tried to get Ray to seek medical assistance when he first got sick, but he refused. She said Ray had been miserable and unhappy, and she speculated that he killed himself. This was looking like intro to detective work 101. Teresa, the suspect's spouse,

had means, motive, and opportunity. But when detectives dug deeper into the strange life and times of Teresa and Ray Katomsky, their case took a head-snapping turn in the direction of a totally new suspect. A blast from the past. This man sent my dad a bomb. Turns out there was someone who tried to kill Ray once before. Ray Katomsky was dead, and his wife Teresa believed it was a suicide. But law enforcement thought this smelled like a murder, that someone had poisoned Ray with antifreeze.

Detectives looked for his killer among the thousands of the worst of the worst criminals that Ray had spent a career guarding in Pennsylvania's maximum security prisons. Raymond was not the corrections officer that all the inmates hated and, you know, vowed to get even with once they got outside. Quite the opposite. That's Raymond and the people that Raymond associated with during his time at the prison were generally respected and did not run into a lot of problems with inmates.

So to the cops, it didn't look like anyone from back in the day had it in for Ray. But there was someone from his and Teresa's recent past who had once wanted Ray out of the way, if not dead. Detectives learned that in the winter of 2003, when Ray and Teresa were first getting to know one another, she was also seeing another man she'd met online, a fellow by the name of Robert Reichert, and she left Ray for a few weeks to be with Robert. When Teresa went back to Ray, Robert did not take that well. Not at all. Robert was infatuated with her and wanted Teresa to leave Ray, to leave Ray for him. Reichert stalked the couple.

He vandalized Teresa's car, and then it really escalated. Robert sent Raymond a letter bomb. A real bomb? A real bomb. Functional, working bomb. Raymond went to his mailbox, found a package that looked odd, and brought it to the state police barracks. The bomb squad detonated it. If Raymond had opened that package, would he have been killed? He would have been severely injured if not killed. Robert said at the time that he had wanted to be with Teresa and that he thought that Raymond was in the way. Ray's daughter Monica remembers a phone call from her father about the bomb. His voice was shaky. It was something I've never heard before. What'd you say? What'd you think?

I didn't know what to think. I think at first I couldn't believe it. Robert Reichert pleaded guilty to manufacturing a firearm and was sentenced to five years in prison. He was paroled just months before Ray Katomsky became mysteriously ill. Did you wonder whether he had anything to do with it? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Teresa was the last one with him, but this man sent my dad a bomb. Monica wasn't the only one wondering about that.

When you discover that somebody else tried to kill your victim and he's now out of prison, that changes everything. It does. We had one of two options in this case. Either it was a wife killing her husband or some elaborate plot to finish what Mr. Reichardt had started and was unsuccessful with. Detectives tracked down their new suspect. He was living what appeared to be a normal life in western Pennsylvania. Could you track Mr. Reichert's movements? He was not on GPS monitoring at the time, no. So if he was going to see Teresa or if he was going to stalk Raymond, nobody would have known about it?

Fair assessment. He certainly would have known about it. Fair assessment. He certainly would have had access to antifreeze. Everybody has access to antifreeze. While detectives were trying to find out if Teresa's ex-boyfriend turned letter bomber had anything to do with Ray's death, they dug deeper into Teresa's past. But the investigation went slowly. Weeks became months, and Ray's family counted the days. It just felt like we were being swept under the rug. Some people would

have given up in that instance. How could you? It's your father. Your father was murdered. You're not going to give up. So what'd you do? I pressed on. I did what I had to do. I made sure that there was justice. That was easier said than done. Hard times were coming to Ashtabula County. In America, our do-it-yourself culture extends even to killing. There are nearly 50,000 suicides each year in the United States, far more than the number of homicides. And that was the issue. There wasn't any question what killed Ray Katomsky. That was antiphrees.

But by whose hand? Ray's widow Teresa and her family maintained a despondent Ray killed himself when Teresa left him. Ray's children and the cops thought it was murder. Two theories, and if murder, two possible suspects. Teresa, the grieving wife, and Teresa's fresh-from-the-slammer ex-boyfriend, who'd once tried to mail-bomb Ray out of the way. But his story was checking out. We just couldn't find anything other than his prior association with Raymond

that would suggest that he did this. What kind of vibe did you get off Mr. Reichert after Raymond Katomsky's death? The last thing that he said to me was, that could have been me. And he looked concerned. Looked like somebody dodged a bullet. I'm guessing now she and Robert Reichert changed places in the suspect pantheon. 100%. She's at the top of the list.

Yes. But the investigation into the death of Ray Katomsky was about to turn as cold as Ashtabula County in February. For a very odd reason. Shortly after this case was investigated by our department, there was a financial collapse and we laid off about 90% of our officers. County what, ran out of money? Yes. And the result was? Murders were not getting solved. Ray Katowski's case was one of them. His children were not happy. I wasn't trying to be a pain in the butt. I didn't want them to drop the case.

Then the county runs out of money. Yeah. I mean, all kinds of things go wrong in murder investigations, but the police department running out of money is usually not one of the things you think of. No. And, like, for almost two years, like, nothing happened. Yeah. Monica's two children were out of the house.

She was able to take time off from helping her husband with his construction business and devote hours to her mission. I sent letters to everybody and I was constantly calling the sheriff's department for new information and whatnot, but it was getting anywhere. And meanwhile, back in Ashtabula County, life went on. What was Teresa doing during those 18 months that you weren't able to investigate? Just filing for life insurance. Collecting life insurance from Raymond Katomsky.

Some of the $150,000 in insurance went to buy a house where Teresa was raising her grandchildren. And about a year after Ray's death, there was a new man in her life. Tim Shoemaker was an over-the-road trucker when he and Teresa found each other. How'd you and Teresa meet? On the internet. What'd you like about her? She was attentive, just a sweet lady. Before long, Tim and Teresa were living together. Tim gave up long-distance trucking for a job closer to home. She tell you she was a suspect in a murder investigation? She told me. And she said, I didn't do it. I had nothing to do with it. She didn't have to say that she didn't do it. I knew she didn't do it. Ashtabula County's investigation may have been frozen in red ink,

but Ray's daughter Monica was still in action, emailing, cajoling, pleading. I wrote letters to the Ohio Attorney General. Then I got a phone call, and they said they were looking into it. Then Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine had recently started a cold case unit. And in September 2012, three years after Ray Katomsky's death, the state reopened the case with Teresa, the prime suspect. I didn't want her to get away with murder. My prosecutors and detectives didn't want to see that happen

either. Those investigators were glad to be back in business. There were reasons they liked Teresa for Ray's murder. One had to do with a story they heard about her first marriage. Her previous husband, Roy Lovin, told us that Teresa had put rat poison in his mashed potatoes. And he knew that how? Roy said that he took two bites and fed some to their son. Teresa reached into her son's mouth, pulled out the mashed potatoes. Roy said that he got pretty ill after that. The son was okay?

The son was okay, yes. Roy said that the only other thought that he gave that was when his German shepherd was poisoned Roy said that he never connected the two until Raymond was poisoned Teresa's son

from that first marriage is Roy Jr and he says that never happened there's a story out there that your mom tried to poison your father. It's all lies. Why would your father lie about this? Maybe he is jealous. Maybe he feels that she ruined his life. I don't know. Maybe this is his way of getting back at her. And there was a polygraph exam she took early in the investigation. The examiner had asked Teresa two questions. Did you poison Ray with antifreeze? And do you know who poisoned Ray?

Teresa's answer to both, no. Which was also the answer to whether Teresa was telling the truth. She failed her polygraph test. That lie detector failure was inadmissible in court, but it helped convince cops they were on the right track. They turned the heat back up on Teresa. Teresa's family and friends like Beth Burcham rallied around her They felt Ray's family just wouldn't or couldn't face the fact that he killed himself I think they don't want to believe that Ray would do that I really do You think they're just looking for somebody to blame?

Yeah, other than Ray But on March 28th, 2014, five years after Ray's death, officers surrounded Teresa's house. We knocked on the door early in the morning, told Teresa that we had a warrant for arrest, and she was under arrest for the murder of Raymond Katopsky. She didn't look surprised. She kissed me, and she was going to, she almost started bawling, but something got come over her and she was okay. I was crazy happy. It was like, wow, we finally got somewhere. After a few days in jail, Teresa was released on bond. Law enforcement officials knew the case had problems. Ray's family received a depressingly realistic appraisal from the Attorney General's

office. We told them all along this is going to be a tough case. Be prepared. Be prepared for a loss. We might not win. We might not win this case. Proof Teresa is innocent? Or proof of the perfect crime? Did you find any DNA on the part of Mrs. Kutomsky? No, we found no DNA. And you found no fingerprints, correct? That's correct. It was July of 2015, almost six years after Ray Katomsky's death, when his wife Teresa went on trial. There were two charges, contaminating a substance for human consumption and murder. Both part of the accusation that Teresa poisoned Ray with antifreeze

by somehow slipping it into something he ate or drank, like beer or soda. Teresa's lawyer, veteran trial attorney Paul Henteman, was confident. There's no question, in my view, she was absolutely innocent of the crime. Prosecutors offered Teresa plea deals, which would have resulted in little jail time. She was absolutely categorically convinced that she did not commit the crime, and she felt that, you know, God was in her corner, and she was not going to be convicted of any crime. She did nothing wrong.

Another twist. Attorney Henteman asked for a bench trial. No jury. Judge Gary Yost would alone rule on Teresa's guilt or innocence. If she killed Ray or if he killed himself. In her opening statement, prosecutor Emily Pelfrey attacked that idea. He was planning for his future. He loved his grandchildren. The doctor who treated Ray in the hospital where he died testified Teresa herself said Ray was not suicidal. And she had indicated that he had not mentioned anything about feeling suicidal at that time. No, the state argued, this was murder. Medical examiner Dr. Eric Vey testified that antifreeze killed Ray.

He died as a result of complications of ethylene glycol toxicity. But exactly how antifreeze kills was critical to the state's case. When somebody ingests antifreeze either deliberately or because somebody else gave it to them, what's the progression of symptoms? Well, initially they'll appear to be drunk or stuporous, and then they'll become progressively lethargic and then become comatose. Then they'll start to have congestive heart failure and pulmonary edema, and then they'll start to go into renal failure and then eventually die.

You can sort of estimate when they ingested the antifreeze based on where their symptoms are at that point. That's exactly right. It's possible to get a rough estimate of when the ingestion occurred. The keystone of the state's case was the progression of symptoms that prosecutors contended would show when Ray ingested the antifreeze. You were able to establish a timeline. When the EMS arrived at his residence, he was already lethargic and almost comatose. So we already know from his clinical presentation at that point that he's probably 12 to 24 hours in. The ME's estimate dovetailed with the prosecutor's timeline, that Ray must have ingested the antifreeze the day he and Teresa took that outing with the grandchildren.

To support their timeline, prosecutors introduced this voicemail. Ray left it for a friend several hours after the state says Teresa poisoned him. On the tape, the prosecution argued, Ray sounds drunk. Prosecutors say he was really in the stuporous early stages of antifreeze poisoning. We contend that that's when the ethyl glycogenine or the antifreeze was ingested. And they argued it had to have been Teresa who gave it to him because no one else was with Ray then. And how did they know that? Well, from what she told this FBI agent. She stated that over that week, he did not have any visitors, and she was the only one there. In addition to their science-based timeline that put Teresa in the bullseye,

the state wanted Judge Yost to consider Teresa's behavior while Ray was dying. In the gallery, Monica wept as her younger sister Kimberly testified how Teresa ended life support for their father without consulting Ray's side of the family. And the terms she said Teresa dictated for releasing Ray's body to her. The conditions were that I had to have him cremated and that she wanted to make sure I wouldn't be the beneficiary. It was all part of a pattern, prosecutors argued, that added up to murder. In the state contents, there is absolutely no evidence that it is all reasonable to conclude that anyone other than the defendant, Mrs. Katomsky, is the one who

provided that antifreeze to her husband. When the defense had its turn, Attorney Henteman told the judge the state had no case, not a scrap of evidence. He got the FBI agent who took Teresa's initial statement to concede she may have been confused about whether she was even with Ray on the day the state says she poisoned him. She may have been wrong about that, correct? She could have been wrong about that, correct? She could have been wrong about that. This was suicide, he argued, not murder. And what practically proved it, according to the defense, was the fact that Ray did nothing to save himself. And one could conclude that if someone gave you poison and you became ill, what would be the first thing you would do?

You would call the police or you would call a hospital. That never occurred. Henteman then attacked the state's most glaring weakness, a total lack of physical evidence connecting his client to containers of antifreeze. Lead detector Taylor Cleveland was cross-examined about the absence of any forensics. Did you find any DNA on the part of Mrs. Kutomsky? No, we found no DNA, Mr. Kutomsky or otherwise. And you found no fingerprints of Mrs. Kutomsky on the can, correct? That's correct. Teresa's attorney went after the prosecution's timeline. He got one of

the state's medical witnesses to concede she couldn't tell exactly when Ray drank the antifreeze. But you don't know how long that he suffered from it, nor do you know how much he had ingested. Correct. Under cross-examination, the M.E. admitted he couldn't answer the question at the heart of the case. That means you don't know whether it was a homicide or you don't know whether it was a suicide. Is that a fair correct? That is correct, yes. Henteman produced his own expert witness to refute the state's toxicity timeline as suspect science. It's impossible to determine when the ethylene glycol may have been ingested because it may have been ingested as one dose or at one time or several smaller doses over an undetermined period of time.

In his close, Attorney Henteman suggested all of it amounted to, at the very least, reasonable doubt. I'm suggesting to you that it's a suicide, and if the facts don't add up, then you have to rule in favor of the defendant. Teresa never testified. Her family and Ray's waited as Judge Yost retired to his chambers to make his decision. Music Stuck in a bad marriage, most people swallow only their pride. It turns out they're the lucky ones. Thursday, July 30, 2015. Judgment Day in Ashtabula County. Judge Gary Yost had reached his decision.

The families of accused murderer Teresa Katomsky and her dead husband Ray made their way to the courthouse. By the time I got to the courthouse, my whole body was literally shaking. I was so afraid, like I worked up to that. Almost six years. And I was so afraid that she was going to get away with it. It looked as if Ray's daughter's fears were justified.

The court finds the defendant, Teresa Katomsky, not guilty of contaminating a substance for human consumption. The judge reads the first count. Tampering with food. Yeah. Not guilty. And you think, well, that's it. Yeah, we're done. She got away with it.

It's a moment Monica will look back on for the rest of her life. Were you looking at Teresa? Yeah. And thinking what? I had hate. I did. Judge reads the second count. The court finds that the state has

proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the defendant, Teresa Katomsky, is the person who administered the antifreeze to Raymond Katomsky. The court finds the defendant guilty of murder. Ms. Katomsky, do you wish to make a statement at this time? Your Honor, I want you to know I did not hurt my husband. I did not give him poison. I did not give him anything to harm him at all. I loved my husband. I swear before God, I never, ever would hurt anybody, especially my husband.

The sentence was mandatory. She is an indefinite term of imprisonment of 15 years to life. I love her and I want to be with her and I have faith in her. I don't think she's guilty. Tim Shoemaker, Teresa's boyfriend, is standing by his woman. Not long after Teresa began serving her sentence, Tim asked her to marry him. Teresa said yes. You meet this woman.

She's already a suspect in a murder investigation. And then she's arrested and tried and convicted. You can find somebody who wasn't locked up. But you don't want anybody else. You want her. Yeah, I want her. Why is that? Because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her.

I think she's an awesome woman. She's everything that a man looks for in a woman. While we were talking with Tim, he got a call. She went into detail. Oh, can I get in? Yeah, yeah. It was Teresa calling from behind bars. She and Tim caught up for a few minutes, and then he put her on speaker.

Hi, Teresa, it's Josh Mankiewicz from Dateline. Hi. Hi, how are you? Could be better, could be worse. I understand you and Tim are engaged. Yes, we are. Isn't that awesome? Congratulations.

Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Is there anything you want to say? Well, I just want everybody to know that, you know, I'm innocent. I didn't do what they're accusing me of doing. I loved my husband. Someday we'll know why he did what he did.

You think he killed himself deliberately? I think it was an accidental suicide. I think he took in that anabrasion enough to make himself sick and called me out there, thinking that I would feel sorry for him because that's the type of person I am. This call is originating from an Ohio correctional facility. I just want to be clear. You think Ray took the antifreeze deliberately to make himself sick and get you to come back

to him? Yes. Yes. I believe that his intentions was to get me to come back. You think you'll be out of there one day? I believe I'm going to be out of here. I believe that the truth is to get me to come back. You think you'll be out of there one day? I believe I'm going to be out of here. I believe that the truth is going to set me free. I'm hoping that somebody really goes over this and finds out that I had no part of that.

Because they have no evidence on me. They have none. Because there's no evidence there. I love you. We're going to get cut off, babe. Thank you for using me. Yeah, we got cut off. Okay, well, thank you. We're going to get cut off, babe. Thank you for using me. Yeah, we got cut off. Okay, well, thank you for letting us talk to her.

We wanted to interview Teresa in person, but our request was denied by the Department of Corrections. Teresa's hypothesis that Ray took antifreeze so she'd come back to him is one that her family and friends, to a person, are on board with. They see Teresa as a decent person who somehow attracts men who, through no fault of hers, become obsessed with her. Let me make sure I understand. One guy, Mr. Reichert, wants to kill to have Teresa. Another guy, Roy, makes up a story that she's a murderer because he doesn't want anybody else to have her. And Ray tries to kill himself to get her to come back. Have I got that about right? Yeah. Do you know anybody else around here who leads that kind of life and who drives men to do those kind of things? No. Not at all. What's her secret? I have no idea. I think she's

just a good woman. That's pretty much the opposite of what Ray's daughter Monica thinks. For her, this was all very personal. This was my dad. This was, this was justice. This is, this is the way it should be. You killed my father. Somebody's going to pay for this. And damn well right, she's gonna.