Daybreak - Daybreak 2024 — Episodes that soared and stumbled

Episode Date: December 26, 2024

As 2024 draws to a close, Daybreak hosts Snigdha and Rahel look back at some of their biggest hits and misses this year. Check out the episodes that made it to their round up. Hits —Rahel's choice: Successful Women are Freezing Their Eggs and That's on menSnigdha's choice: Why India's Biggest Employer of Female Gig Workers Refuses to listen to its own workforce Audience choice: What do women really want? A F*** off fund Misses —Rahel's choice: Are run clubs like rehab for the chronically online?Snigdha's choice: Why aren't we scared of chemicals in our skincare anymore?Audience choice: How India's 40-somethings are redefining career longevity?And that's a wrap! We will be back with new episodes next year. Stay tuned! Daybreak is produced from the newsroom of The Ken, India’s first subscriber-only business news platform. Subscribe for more exclusive, deeply-reported, and analytical business stories.

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For 2024. I'm sorry. I've been waiting all here to make that very juvenile joke. Anyway, I'm Rahe. Okay. You're forgiven. It's the end of the year. All right, that was Rahil and I am Snigda and I'm very happy to report that together the two of us have managed to do more than 200 episodes of daybreak this past year and that's actually a new record for this podcast.

So, you know, we thought why not use our final episode of 2024 to, you know, go back, reflect on the good stuff that we did and then also some of the not so good stuff. Yeah, we thought why not make this interesting and not just talk about our favourite episodes of the year. So what we're going to do today? Snikda and I are going to set our egos aside and let you in on our biggest hits and some of our less favourable episodes of 2024. Okay, so without further ado, let's get into it, Rahil.

Do we have any rules for this? No, not really. Like, how are we selecting? It's completely subjective. It's at our discretion as hosts, right? Our favorite episodes and these favorite episodes? Well, yes, to a certain extent. I feel like to start with, since this is a Friday episode,

I think we should limit our list to best and, well... Not so best. Not so good. Not so best Friday episodes. Okay, cool. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. Right. For those of you who are new to daybreak,

from Monday to Thursdays, Nickda and I take turns to present a story that largely draws from the Ken's very extensive reportage. So it's usually this 10 to 12 minute monologue. It was a really great format and it really worked for us. But at some point this year, we decided to break the rules a little bit. So once a week, we wanted to come together

and produce one super special original episode. It wouldn't be based on any of the existing Ken's stories. There would be no constraints on time or on format. And we could bring anyone we wanted on the show. So in the Ken newsroom, we call these episodes TFEs or

the Friday episode. Not the most imaginative I know but it really does the job. Right. So, okay, so how are we deciding what's good and what isn't, even for us? I mean, are we going by download numbers or, you know, the episode of a bunch of things. Okay, like.

Okay. So for starters, we'll be ranking our best and our not so favorite TFEs. How do we decide what's good and what's not? Well, of course, there's download numbers like mentioned, that gives us a sense of how many of you actually listened to the episode. Then there are the episodes that we felt good about, right? When we got the right guests, we managed to nail the topic.

Everything kind of magically just fell into place. Those automatically become some of our favourite episodes. There's also a third category, Snickda, and that's the kind that we really strive for here. It's when the episodes we love end up also getting great download numbers. Yeah. It happens rarely, but yeah. But when it does. Oh my God.

Magic. It's the best feeling. So the top three episodes we're picking today, take at least one of those boxes, right? Snigda, you will pick one. I will pick one. And the final one will be audience choice. So it'll be the episode we got the most downloads and positive feedback from all of you are listeners on. Okay.

So now that all of that is clear, let us start with our first selection. Rahil, you want to go first? Okay, cool. This is something I'm quite excited about and I know you're going to be excited about as well. My pick is the episode we did on egg freezing. Oh, yes. It's up there for sure. Yeah, and it's one of those episodes that falls into that magic category, third category, where everything just fell into place perfectly. I'll give you some context. If you're a listener, if you've heard that episode, Snigda actually came into office one day and said,

hey, you know what? I think we need to talk about egg freezing on the podcast. And I'll tell listeners why, because I'm 30 plus. And, you know, there's been a lot of conversation in my friend group, you know, about children and family and all of that. And, you know, egg freezing kept coming up, you know. So it was something that was personally also something that I was thinking about. Yeah. And it was just something that we were like toying around with for a long time.

We were like, okay, how do we do this? We need to find the right line. We need to find the right people to speak to. And then somewhere... He came across this great book, actually. It was a fantastic book by this scholar named Masha Inhorn. It was called Motherhood on Ice, the Mating Gap and Why Women Fries Their Eggs. And immediately we were like, wait, what is the mating gap?

I need to know what that is. And we were like, okay, you know what? Let's just send an email out to Masha. Not really expecting her to respond, but she did. and she very kindly agreed to be on the podcast. So it's a new reproductive order out there. There's a new world order of reproduction that's going on around the world. And I think egg freezing is also, in some senses, paving the way to that decision among women.

Forget the mate, forget the partner. I didn't find the right person, but I'm going to do this motherhood project on my own. So we had this incredibly insightful conversation with Masha. and we also spoke to someone who actually went through the egg freezing process, not once but twice. Her name is Rachna Ramchand, and she gave us this very vulnerable, honest, very raw account of her whole experience. So, this is a question that I've reflected on for many years now and I think my narrative also does change. But I think at the time, I realized that I wasn't sure if I wanted to. kids or not. But I think

through my late 20s, that image of what a perfect life looked like also started to change. And for me, I suddenly reached a point where I was like, I don't know if I want kids or not. But at the same time, I know that I'm not fully averse to it.

With this episode, we actually wanted to understand how women at large think about their fertility, whether they were actually open to freezing their eggs, if it was something that they had actively started to think about, because of, you know, what Masha calls the mating gap. And Snigda and I had had so many conversations about it.

We were like, you know what? Let's open up this conversation further. And so we decided to carry out a survey. So we actually went out and we asked people what their attitudes towards X-freezing were, whether they wanted to do it. And like, what would potentially prompt them to take that step if they hadn't already? So, yeah, between Masha, Rachna and all the wonderful women who took our survey, this episode really came together very well.

and I'm extremely proud of it, which is why it is my top pick for top episode. Snigda, your turn. Okay, this feels a little weird because, you know, I did this episode, Rahil, while you were away, the episode on gig workers, women gig workers, specifically who worked at Urban Company, you know, which is a home service platform,

specifically offering salon services. and yeah I think... Sikian, I'm sorry to cut you off here but like I distinctly remember it being so challenging again, this was one of those episodes that you've been wanting to do for a really long time in fact, ever since we started TFE,

this was one of your first ideas. But I think the biggest challenge you faced was getting people to actually speak to you for the episode, right? Correct. And the original idea was actually, you know, to do something like a day in the life You know, so basically I thought, you know, I'll follow these women around. You know, they usually use two-wheeler's to, you know, travel to wherever, you know, the homes that they go to.

So I thought, you know, I'll just like hop on to their, like, behind them on the bike and I'll just use a mic and talk to them. But that didn't really work out. And that was something that we covered in the episode as well. I lost my two-wheeler also in COVID. Financially, I lost. So I used to travel by bus, carrying so many things. That time we were not in our auto scene. I used to travel by bus, get on by bus,

and I need to walk like one and a half kilometer to kilometer inside the customer's house because the bus will stop only in Main Road. Special shout out to Selvi, who's actually the union leader for gig workers in Bangalore. She's the one who actually helped me get in touch with the others, as well. And she came down to the studio. So since the bike thing did not work out, she came down to the studio to, you know, record with me. And then she got me in contact with this other gig worker, Nisha, who was so sweet, she invited to me to her house, this small little cute house in HSR layout. And I went there and I interviewed her.

Nisha is originally from Nepal, but she moved to Bangal about seven to eight years ago. She's been working with urban company for over a year now. Sure, it was good. It wasn't that kind of product or, the dam were that's big. It's not. I'd like at the surumai. I'd at first, 1,000,000, like 20,000, 25,000.

Honestly, such an incredible episode. So, this question seems redundant in many ways, but I'd love to hear from you, Snikta, why it is your favorite episode of 2024. Yeah, I think one, number one is, it actually got me out of the studio. You know, Rahil, usually we're sitting in the studio and recording, right? Like, even though Selvi did come down to the studio to meet Nisha had to go down to her house.

And so that was one thing. And the other thing is, like, I think so many things came together. You know, their original voices, that is the most important thing for me. Yeah, it was so powerful. Yes, you heard Selvi speaking for herself. You heard Nisha speaking for herself, you know, in her own voice. And also the language thing, you know, like, I don't think this happens in a lot of other countries because most of them are English speaking. Even our podcast is an English podcast. But, you know, like, for example, Nisha, right?

She was comfortable talking in Nepali and it just so happened that I was comfortable. I know Nepali, right, because I'm from Dajling. And, you know, the way somebody can express in their own language is, you know, you can. cannot match that. So that really came out in the episode, you know. So even audio-wise and also story-wise, I think it just added so much richness. So I think this is one of the biggest reasons why it's my favourite episodes because you heard these people, you know, speaking for themselves. No, I 100% agree with that. And congratulations are a fantastic episode, honestly. Like, truly, I fully agree one of our best of the year for sure. Thank you, Roy. And next up is the audience choice,

Nikda, any guesses for what it could possibly be? I have... Actually, it's quite obvious. This episode in so many ways was a huge turning point for us here at daybreak. Like, we've not seen numbers like that before. Yeah. Right? It just blew up one day in a way that we had never seen before.

And yeah, it just, it was amazing. or we're speaking, of course, about the F-O-F-Fund episode. Rayl, you almost... Accident almost slipped up, but I didn't. I held back. Raji would bleep it out anyway. Yeah, but it was also very, again, another really important episode, right? So you see there's like a kind of a pattern, right?

Like, with regular daybreak episodes, yes, we're telling a lot of stories that the Ken, you know, from the Ken archives. very important stories of course but again there is a kind of a pattern with these stories like look at egg freezing right then there is the women gig workers episode and now we have the FFON for women

this is specifically again like an episode that was meant for women of course like everybody can have an FO fund but it was targeted we had women in mind when we thought of it right and I mean for context like you know the FFFund was based

basically, you know, this episode where we were joined by Chetra Chidan and she's the co-found of Salt, which is again a financial services platform, specifically for women. Do you have a fund and also what triggered you to start it? Motherhood. Ah, okay. Yes. I think a few, two years, about an year and a half after my son was born.

when I decided to move back to India and be a startup founder is when whatever little bit of savings I had left in the US I invested it in the actually bad idea but I put it all in Tesla and in the episode Chaitra answered questions that a lot of our listeners sent in she also taught us these really doable very realistic ways to set aside money for a difficult situation It was very takeaway oriented, right, Rahel? Yeah, it was. It was practical, you know?

That's what really worked for the episode, I think. A second 10% put it into your FI-Fund. A FI fund is most likely something that you're not going to need in one year, six months, two years. You will at least usually have a two to three-year horizon before you want to tap into it. So invest that 10% in equities. Invest it in, you know, large-cap funds. because a two to three-year horizon is great for a large gap fund. Yeah, so this was a really useful episode.

And there were so many little tips and tricks that Chaitra told us through the episode. We thought, why not put it all together and make a little blog post that people can go to basically summarizing everything that she told us. We'll leave a link to that and the episode in the show notes. So please check it out in case it's of interest to you. Okay, so we're done with our top three episodes. of 2024. And yeah, obviously we had a lot of fun doing these episodes.

But if you think there are any other episodes, special Friday episodes, that you loved, do write to us on our WhatsApp number. Yes, great stuff. Snigda, I have a little surprise for you. But first, let's take a little bit of a break. Okay, Sikda, before we get into our bottom three, I want us to play a little bit of a game. Okay.

You know, Rahil, I love how much. much I love games. Snica hates games for all of our listeners out there. She detests games with a passion. But this is a daybreak game. Okay, sorry. Yeah, so I mean, just by virtue of it being a daybreak game, I think you're going to like it. Okay, let's go, let's go.

Very quickly, I'm going to read out a few quotes from our special episodes this year. And I want you to tell me which episodes they're from and which guests set them and what they're talking about. I'll be reading them out to you but I will have Rajiv, our wonderful sound engineer, play them for our lovely listeners here so our listeners can play along too and before we give you the answers

if you guess, let us know in the comments set us a WhatsApp message, anything you like. Oh my God, okay, this is going to be challenging because we've done so many Friday episodes by now. Rahil, when did we start the special Friday episodes? April. April.

Yeah. So that's April. a lot of episodes. I have gone way back in time. I don't want to do the maths. Okay, fine. Just to give our listeners a little bit of context. So, you know, earlier, daybreak used to be three days a week.

Then from three days, we went to four days a week. And finally, we decided, okay, on Fridays, we're going to do something special, right? And the only brief that we got was, you know, just have a good time. Have fun. There are no rules. And we had all the liberty to be creative with the topics, with the kind of format that we were choosing. And the only rule was, you know, to keep surprising listeners. So, you know, they don't know what's coming.

So, you know, in our effort to do that, we actually managed to cover a lot of, you know, variety of topics, right? Rahel, apart from just tech and personal finance and startups and business, you know, the usual stuff that you associate daybreak with, we've spoken about dating apps for marriage and gen Z's. and their affinity for astrology. It's actually wild when you think about it. The sort of things that we have spoken about on daybreak in the last couple of months.

Exactly. Egg freezing, contraception. So yeah, okay, Rahil. Yeah, so a bunch of great episodes, a bunch of fantastic guests. But Snickta, now I want to test and see whether you remember the episode that we have done over the last couple of months. So there are three quotes, okay, that I've picked out. Okay, fine.

I would say two are pretty easy and one is a bit of a wild card. Okay, let's go. I want to start with a wild card. And I want to see if you can guess what it is. Are you ready? Yes. I hope I can embarrass myself in front of listeners. Okay, let's go.

There was this Mumbai-based Zepto customer. Okay? He's a doctor and one day he wanted ice cream. Okay, normal enough. Yeah. So he orders a cone from a Pune-based ice cream company called Yamo ice cream. Yeah. Okay?

On zepto, right? On zepto. And as he was eating it, yes. This is quite disturbing. Fair warning. He bit into something weird. Something fleshy?

Something fleshy. Yes. Disgusting. Is this... Is this from one of our experimental rap episodes? Oh, yes, it is. But which experimental rap episode? Oh my God, Rahil.

Not the Elon Musk one. this is not the Elon Musk one Oh my God, no, I don't know I don't know This is the first experimental rap episode that we did with Rohin Rohan Dharmakumal our CEO

Oh my god The Apple Story This is the Apple story We thought it would be a great idea To start the Apple story With a very disturbing News update that we read that morning About someone finding a finger

In their ice cream For some reason We thought it would be such a great idea Absolutely no relation to Apple whatsoever. But it made for a hilarious thing. At least we found it quite funny. Yeah, yeah. We had a good time, I remember.

Now. Okay, are you ready for the second one? Yeah. This one is easy. You're going to guess this one for sure. Okay. Okay. He was the Zamatoa C-O.

We have a day delivery. Yeah, my, papa, one day, delivery, a month, car. Delivery. One day delivery, in a day delivery, there's nothing to tell you. You're behind your algorithm. My boss is going,

I'm a lot. I know this one. This is the hero of gig workers all over India. Sheikh's a loud thing. Correct. Ding, ding, ding. Thank God. Yeah.

This is another great episode. Phenomenal guests. Like, one of the memorable ones. Like, I really enjoyed working on this. I really, I really, I distinct people. remember that conversation we had with Sheikh Salahad. And he was so matter of fact and to the point, he obviously is a very busy man. So he spoke to us early one Wednesday morning and just like such an inspiring, passionate guy.

Yeah. You know, Rahil, I actually forgot to tell you when I met Selvi, when she came down to the studio, she calls him Sheikh Bhai as well. And she was telling me about how he's constantly in touch with her, helping her. because she's recently become a part of the union, right, for gig workers, women gig workers. So he's constantly been guiding her through the phone. There was this other union leader also a gig worker. Sima from Delhi.

She also mentioned him. So this guy lives in Hyderabad. Yeah. So yeah, he is very inspiring. Okay. Okay. Are you ready for the last one? Yes.

Okay, let's go. Okay. This is another one of our favorite. favorite guests in-house. I don't know if we're allowed to say this, but he is truly one of our favorite guests. Okay, who is this? We have, like, profound respect for the founders.

For, like, sticking to their guns, they were like, we're not going to resort to these techniques because the attack space is, like, marred by this reputation of hearts. Yeah, it's ugly. Oh, my God. This is Nathan Nade. Yes. Our brilliant reporter from the Ken News.

room who was talking to us about Stoa. The shutting down a store, right? Correct. Correct. Three on three, great job, Sikta. Hey, not three on three, two on three. Oh, two and a one. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. But you were right. It was from a rap. So two and a half on three. Okay, fine. Really, really well. Thank you, Rah. Okay, and that brings us to the final segment of this episode,

where Snikta and I will eat some humble pie this Christmas. Okay. So now we're going to discuss. us are least favorite episodes. We'll pick three. And obviously this is a little difficult, right? Because we put in a lot of work in each and every episode. But sometimes, you know, things just don't come together.

You know, either it's the topic that we chose or not just a topic. Sometimes, you know, the right angle. Sometimes we can't find the right angle for a particular subject, right? And when we don't have that, no matter how. how'd we try, it just doesn't work out. And also, I think TFE's, like Snickta said a little while ago, our brief was to keep it random, like, to just keep evolving. Each episode has to sound completely different from the last.

So, very often, when you're experimenting, experiments can fail. And we saw that happen with the TFE as well, especially early on when we were figuring out what we wanted to sound like, what we wanted to sound like, what we wanted to. the TFE to be ultimately. Should I go first? Let's do it. Okay. So, I think the first episode, no, Rah?

The first TFE episode, the skincare episode. Even though when we put in so much work, listeners won't believe we, you know, the early days of TFE, you know, we were still getting the hang of it. We had not cracked the format. So it used to take us much longer to put it all together. And for this first one, I think we put in so much time. I remember us recording in the studio, like really late night. Yeah.

The first couple of months of doing TFEes were like that. We would be in the studio till very, very early in the morning, just getting everything together. Yeah, I remember. But those are great days, great memories. But yeah, the skincare episode, of course our heart was in the right place with this one. but somehow I think it was just very

jarring I would say the narrative yeah the way we put it together yeah the storytelling wasn't that great yeah we did have great guests actually yeah Shamika Haldeepurkar the founder of a very popular

skincare brand called Dew and we had Vasuda Rai who was a very very popular former beauty editor and a very popular influencer a skincare influencer, beauty influencer. But yeah, I just, and it was on us.

It didn't end up working altogether. It was kind of meandering and going all over the place. We put a lot of ourselves also in this episode, you remember? Yeah. Yeah, really. Like, it was very personal for both of us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. What's the next one, Rahil? The next one is an episode that I did quite recently. the Run Club episode. It was actually an episode I was extremely excited about. And I'm still, actually, I mean,

I've thought about it a lot about like what work, what didn't end up working. I think I went in from a place of just being passionate about running and like absolutely loving the idea of run clubs because I joined them and I thought

it was incredible how so many first time runners were somehow waking up every Sunday morning at 6 a.m. and showing up at like Cabin Park or Loddy Garden in Delhi and just running, right? Like I wanted to understand what was pushing young people to join communities like these. And again, like I got to speak to some really bright, smart young professionals, many of whom were new to Bangalore, new to Delhi, new to, new to the city.

And they saw run clubs as a way to kind of connect and form meaningful connections. And yeah, shout out to. to the 57 run club, a great run club here in Bangal, run by a bunch of really, really smart young professionals. I also spoke to... You know, Rahil, I wouldn't...

I mean, I don't know. I understand that you did this episode and, you know, personally, you don't like it for whatever reason, but I still thought that, you know, it kind of fit the bill when it comes to, like, just have, do a fun Friday episode. Yes.

You went out. there, you were out of the studio, you actually joined this run club, you took your mic, Rajiv joined you, you spoke to for many people. Yeah, so as a listener, you know, I thought it was fun. Yes, I would see that, you know, there was no

solid takeaway from the episode, there was not a, there was, didn't have a very strong angle. Yeah. But it was a very fun listening experience, I would say. I think that's what was kind of jarring to me as a producer. because it was so unlike anything that we had done before

and it was so unlike anything we had done on daybreak specifically that it felt kind of off. Yeah, I wish I'd done more with it. So that's my pick. We have the whole of next year. Yes, I'm 100% going to attempt something in the fitness space again next year. Hopefully soon, maybe in the next couple of months, I'm hoping, because it's definitely something that I'm passionate about

and there are some really, really incredible businesses, people doing some really amazing things in that space. So I think our listeners can expect a lot more in the health and fitness space in 2025. Okay, Snick-Tah, and number three, what do you think would be our third episode in the... I think you'll agree with me on this, Rahil. I mean, there are others.

I know there are multiple others that we don't like. But if I had to pick one, I think it would be the story on unwilling retirees. You remember that one? Yes, again, one of our earlier episodes where we were kind of figuring out TFEs and what they should sound like. Yeah. And why did it not come together? I think we should have spoken to, we should have interviewed more people for this one. Yeah, I think the mistake that we made with the unwilling retiree story was it was our colleague Vanita Bhaer.

Nagar's story. She's a fantastic reporter and she did this incredible story. It was based on a survey. She spoke to some fantastic people who had to kind of pivot their careers because they were certainly out of jobs in their 40s. So you know, you also saw a growing number of people becoming CXOs. Very interesting topic for sure. Yeah. In my opinion, the mistake we made was we told it the way she wrote it. So we literally had a conversation with Vanita where we tried to go in a very linear way through her story. We were like, it was like question answer, question answer. And she was telling us about conversations she had with a third person and just ended up being like one a mess. I agree. You live and you learn. Yes. You know, lessons for 2025.

Rahil, what are you excited about for next year, for daybreak? There have been a few times in the last few months where there's been a topic that's really sparked my interest and I've been like, oh my God, I need to turn this into an episode. So I'm hoping to have a lot more of that in 2025 and the fitness and health space is definitely something that I want to explore. I'm actually looking forward to that, Rahil, because I, I mean, we work together and we meet each other every day and so much of our conversation is about health and fitness because of your passion.

Yeah. What about you, Stink, what are you looking forward to in 2025? for daybreak. For daybreak, I think getting out of the studio more often, you know, Rahel, for these special Friday episodes. Like how you, we actually started it already. You got out for the Run Club episode. I went out for the gig workers episode.

I want to do that more often. And I also want us to kind of find our own stories. Like, for example, you said you want to do a lot more of health and fitness stories, right? I want to speak more about the gig economy because there's just, so much going on and there's so much so many stories that need to be told so I'm looking forward to that there's another thing that I'm quite excited for in 2025 um it was a project that we started this year we were really excited by and then somewhere down the line it kind of wilted away and didn't work out the way we had hoped uh daybreak unwinded oh yeah oh yeah we are we going to

see david unwind revival in 2025 of course of course Of course. I've been thinking about it every week. Every Thursday, I feel guilty. Yeah. So when it does come back, be assured that it's going to be coming back with a bang. We want to hear from more of you. We realized when we ended daybreak and mind just how much our listeners actually enjoyed it. And that was obviously extremely reassuring for the both of us. It was a segment that we really, really enjoyed. so we will be bringing it back in 2025. Yeah. And if you have any suggestions,

how to make Unwine better, please write to us on WhatsApp. We would love to hear from you. Yes. Yeah. And for the next episode, I have a little, you know, I want to put out a little teaser.

I'll just say it's a very exciting episode for the 3rd of Jan Friday, the first Friday episode of next year. And the only hint I'm going to give you is Sharukh Khan. That's a good one. All right. That's a wrap. That's a wrap.

Happy New Year. Yes, happy New Year to all our listeners. And belated Merry Christmas. I hope all of you have a great time. Take care. And keep listening to Daybreak. Yes, don't forget.