Daybreak - The Government wants to be on your phone. It's not asking nicely

Episode Date: December 3, 2025

The Indian government quietly mandated that all smartphones sold in the country must come pre-installed with Sanchar Saathi, a state-owned cybersecurity app that users cannot delete or disabl...e.The app tracks lost phones and blocks stolen devices. But it requires deep permissions. It can read messages, access phone data, make calls, and view photos. Privacy advocates warn these permissions could be expanded overnight to scan for banned apps, flag VPN use, or monitor SMS patterns.The directive was sent secretly to manufacturers like Apple and Samsung, giving them 90 days to comply. Apple has already indicated it won't follow the mandate, citing privacy concerns.Only a handful of countries have tried similar measures—Russia, China, and North Korea, which puts India in uncomfortable company. Host Rachel Varghese digs into what's going on.Tune in.Take this survey to share your best AI prompt.Daybreak is produced from the newsroom of The Ken, India’s first subscriber-only business news platform. Subscribe for more exclusive, deeply-reported, and analytical business stories.

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Starting point is 00:02:01 The apps that most of us are usually subscribed to. So you decide to take a legal but slightly questionable route. You know, use a VPN to access another country's catalogue. But then, as you boot up your VPN, you realize that the service you pay for is blocked or flagged. And not by just anyone. By the Indian government. Okay, so don't worry.
Starting point is 00:02:26 This isn't a reality. At least not yet. But this is the future several users and internet privacy advocates are fearing right now. These fears have been sparked by a recent secret mandate that the Department of Telecommunications sent out to smartphone manufacturers in the country. It wanted smartphone makers to start selling phones with a pre-installed state-owned cyber security app. The app is called Sanchar Sati,
Starting point is 00:02:54 which loosely translates in English to communication companion. The app's crowning feature that the government is touting is its ability to track lost or stolen phones. It also lets users block stolen devices or numbers across networks so that they can't be misused anywhere in India. And if someone does try, the police would be immediately alerted. So the new mandate was communicated to manufacturers privately last Friday. This week, in fact, just this Monday, Reuters broke the news. In the government directive to smartphone manufacturers, Sanchar Sati was to be pre-installed and users would not be able to restrict, disable or deleted.
Starting point is 00:03:38 For phones already in circulation, the app would be pushed via software updates. The government has given manufacturers like Apple, Samsung, Vivo and Xiaomi a 90-day timeline to comply. Or else, they will have to pay the price. The app permissions go deep. It can read your messages and access your phone data. The Internet Freedom Foundation, a Delhi-based digital rights group, noted in its statement regarding this mandate that it all seemed a little unregulated. Today, the app could exist as a simple application that authenticates the phone and its user.
Starting point is 00:04:12 But nothing in the order clearly prevents it from changing overnight. Tomorrow, with an update on the server end, the app could be used to scan your phone for banned apps, flag VP, in news, track SIM activity or even read SMS patterns in the name of fraud control. Yes, that's a hypothetical. And of course, the government's reasons seem sound, even noble enough. Digital fraud and spam is increasingly becoming a problem and disproportionately affecting underserved communities. So what exactly is making everyone else oppose this cybersecurity measure?
Starting point is 00:04:49 Welcome to Daybreak, a business podcast from the Ken. I'm your host, Richard Wilkes, and every day of the week, my co-host, Nynitha Sharma and I, will bring you one new story that is worth understanding and worth your time. Today is Wednesday, the 3rd of December. First, let's get into what Sanchar Sati actually does. It was launched in 2023 as a web portal for consumers to report the rising cases of phone theft and telecom fraud. The mobile app was launched in January this year. It essentially functions as a lost phone tracker.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Not too different from Apple's Find My Phone. or Samsung's smart things find. But its standout feature is that you can block your stolen phone's IEMI number through the app itself. An IEMI or International Mobile Equipment Identity is essentially a unique 15-digit ID assigned to every mobile phone. It kind of works like a fingerprint for your device. Networks use it to identify your phone. So once you block it through Sanchar Sathi, no one can use it, even with a different SIM.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Users can also report malicious web links, spam numbers and check if cloned versions of their IEMI numbers are out there. Or if people have bought SIM cards in your name. It's actually an impressive application and popular too. Since its launch as an app, it's helped recover 7 lakh lost phones, blocked nearly 4 million stolen devices and stopped 30 million fraudulent mobile connections. But for Sancha Sati to do what it does and do it well, it needs some really deep permissions for your device. It's inherently a tracking app. And of course, we regularly consent to apps tracking are every move all the time.
Starting point is 00:06:52 But the keyword here is consent. So imagine if that consent is entirely ignored and your latest phone is now converted into what the Internet Freedom Foundation, or IFF calls, a vessel for state-mandated software that the user cannot meaningfully refuse control or remove. A screenshot of the app permissions are also doing the rounds. It shows that the app can make and manage phone calls, send SMSes, read SMS and call logs, scanned photos and files, and use the camera. On top of all these permissions, if the app is supposed to be easily visible and accessible, which was one of the requirements in the directive, it would need root-level permissions into your phone.
Starting point is 00:07:33 Basically, similar to all your system apps that cannot be disabled. But what's concerning is the lack of clarity from the government on what exactly happens to the data. More on this in the next segment. The whole reason behind pre-installing the app is that it's supposed to drive widespread adoption. The government doesn't want to rely on voluntary installs anymore. It feels like there just isn't enough awareness for that to happen. And so, this directive. But what has everyone on edge is a question.
Starting point is 00:08:08 combination of factors. First, this was a secret order that went out directly to smartphone manufacturers. Executives have reportedly said that the industry was not consulted at all before the mandate was released. Second, it's a lack of privacy guardrails that the app comes with. The IFF pointed out that Sanchar Sati status as a system app allows it to exist without the protections that stop apps from seeing what's up in the other applications on the phone. Now that it's supposed to be a mandatory application on all cell phones, it's all the more reason to show up its privacy policies, or at least promise that the showing up will happen before this pass release.
Starting point is 00:08:49 But there's no acknowledgement of the holes in these policies either. For example, tests have revealed that all the permissions we listed earlier are considered dangerous. The privacy policy claims that the app won't take personal data without telling you, and that any information it does ask for will be protected. It will only be shared with law enforcement when and if required. But it's still a thin policy. It doesn't spell out user rights, offer a way to correct or delete your data, or even say how long or where any information is stored.
Starting point is 00:09:22 Not just that. While the app store listing claims that Sancha Sati does not collect user data, that's actually just not true. The app clearly obviously gathers personal details, from your phone number to your photos, call logs and even SMS information. So, of course, the backlash has been widespread. And it's coming from everywhere. Stay tuned.
Starting point is 00:09:49 Congress leaders like Priyanga Gandhi and Casey Venu Koppal called it a snooping app and a dystopian tool for surveillance respectively. The Internet Freedom Foundation claimed, and I'm quoting here, Sanchar Sati app is disproportionate for attending to cybercrime, legally fragile and structurally hostile to user privacy and autonomy. What that basically means is that it seems kind of unnecessary to have a permanent app for the eventuality of fraud or theft. And considering the weak privacy policies,
Starting point is 00:10:20 it's actually kind of counterintuitive for a cybersecurity app to have unrestricted access to your data, especially without your express content. Now, in response to the backlash, some parts of the statements have already been rolled back. Yesterday, on the 2nd of December, Telecom Minister Jotra Dityas Kindya clarified some aspects of the update. He said that users could in fact delete it. This directly contradicts the mandate that the Department of Telecommunications had issued to companies. But he continued to insist that if users don't register on the app, it would just remain dormant.
Starting point is 00:10:55 He repeated that the main aim of having the app rolled out like this was to increase the awareness of its existence, not to spy on users. Still, the pushback is only gathering steam. Apple has already indicated it won't comply with this. the mandate. It stated that pre-installed state-owned apps go against the privacy and security standards it follows throughout the world. Meanwhile, Sancha Sathie's real world performance, though impressive, isn't exactly spot-free. Users have reported registration failures, verification glitches, and issues with the Know Your Connections feature, which has often failed to fetch all the numbers related to a person's identity. Basically, in case SIM cards
Starting point is 00:11:38 have been bought using your identity without your knowledge. On a global scale, only a handful of countries have tried anything similar. Russia mandated a state-backed messaging app. China has made compulsory the install of an app that tracks keyboard usage. North Korea had an app that limited users to the country's intranet, and South Korea had a short-lived experiment with mandatory content filters for minors. So, except for South Korea's content filter experiment, all of these examples are, well, in the surveillance heavy territory,
Starting point is 00:12:12 which is exactly what makes India's decision an unusually uncomfortable comparison. Daybreak is produced from the newsroom of the Ken India's first subscriber-focused business news platform. What you're listening to is just a small sample of our subscriber-only offerings. A full subscription offers daily long-form feature stories, newsletters and a whole bunch of premium podcasts. To subscribe, head to the Ken.com
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