De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - A Little Bit of Everything… and Then We Talk MomTok

Episode Date: April 9, 2026

This episode is a little bit of everything. We bounce around from Easter weekend and strep throat, to parenting dynamics, postpartum anxiety, and just life with four kids right now. Toward the end, we also talk about everything going on with MomTok and Taylor Frankie Paul, and the bigger conversation around fame, marriage, and trying to balance it all. It’s a mix of random, real, and everything in between… which honestly feels pretty accurate to life lately. Thanks for hanging out with us :) We rounded up some great deals from a few of our favorite brands for you: If you want makeup that brings out your natural glow instead of hiding it, Jones Road is the way to go. For a limited time our listeners are getting a free Shimmer Face Oil on their first purchase when they use code DANI at checkout. Just head to Jonesroadbeauty.com and use code DANI at checkout. Try Salt and Stone's discovery set to find your perfect scent — Go to SaltandStone.com/DANI and use code DANI at checkout for 15% off your first order. Don't let financial opportunity slip through the cracks. Use code DANI at monarchmoney.com in your browser for half off your first year. Give yourself the luxury you deserve with Quince! Go to Quince.com/dani for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. If you're ready to take the next step in your life, whether that is merch, your own hair care line, or something in between, go to shopify.com/dani and make it happen. It doesn't matter where you're at in your entrepreneur journey, Shopify is there to make your life and selling journey easier. As a special offer for our listeners: Visit Unrealsnacks.com/DANI to get $2 off a bag of Unreal. Terms and conditions apply. Subscribe to our official YouTube channel, @deinfluencedpodcast, and follow along on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your De-Influenced fix. You can also find us on Instagram and TikTok at @deinfluencedpodcast. Thanks so much for listening and supporting the show! Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. De-influenced. Happy belated Easter. He is risen. It's very true. So, so true. The reason for the season.

The reason for the season. How was your Easter? Our Easter was actually, it was great. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, it rained. Second year in a row, it's rained over Easter. And I had strep throat.

And you had strep throat. It's pretty bad. I still have it, but I'm not contagious because I've been on a moxacinilin for 24 hours. Actually, do you want to know something that's really interesting about this whole strep throat thing? Yeah. I, um, what do you, what do they call it? Like, I blinked the system. What do you call it? Like you, you beat the system. Yeah, I beat the system. I was going to say I went around the system. Yeah. I beat the system because two years ago, I had mastitis. And, my OB prescribed me a moxacillin.

And because I guess that's like one of the, I think, I think it was a moxacillin or penicillin? I can't remember. Anyway, I took it and I got, it kind of helped, but then I got mastitis again. So then I took another round of antibiotics and I broke out in a rash all over. Do you remember we were taking newborn photos and I was so itchy down there? Yeah, it was horrible. I had a rash all over my body. And so my OB wrote on my charts allergic to penicillin, amoxicillin, and some other things.

Well, do you know how many illnesses amoxysylin helps? I've learned over the past two years. There's a lot of times I need amoxicillin or penicillin. And I can't take it because I'm, quote, unquote, allergic. But I always told my doctor, I was like, I've never been allergic to amoxysiline. And like I would like to take that antibiotic whenever I get, you know, some type of whatever. And she was always like, no, we can because you're pregnant. It's too risky.

So I haven't taken a moxillin forever. Well, I get this strep throat. And I beat the system because I went to a different doctor that wasn't associated with, you know, Baylor Scott and White. And I was like, listen, can you write me some amoxicillin? I got some strep there over here. She was like, absolutely. And so. Are there any dangerous side effects?

to you taking a moxicillin if you are actually allergic? I had die. I literally, my throat would close up and I probably would have died. But I was like, it's fine. So on Friday, you just, you rolled the dice. Full sin. I actually didn't know that. Yeah, I know.

I wasn't going to tell anybody. You understand that if you would have died, I would have been complicit. They would have accused me of murdering you because I picked it up. No, because I knew I wasn't allergic to it. I would have been an accessory. thing this in my soul told me, I was like, I just know I'm not. I knew that it was a bunch of baloney. I had no idea that the, the wages of this sin were death. Right. And anytime I go to any doctor associated with Baylor's cotton white, they will not write me a freaking amoxicillin. And I'm like,

guys, I'm not allergic to it. Like, I'm not. I know I'm not. I got a rash after taking, you know, taking it for 14 days. I think you would get a rash for taking anything 14 days straight, you know? Yeah. And you also had to take it a lot. because you were sick more frequently those years too. Moxicillin? Yeah, you took a lot of moxacillin. No. You didn't?

Not usually, no. Oh. But I've taken it before by entire life. I've never been allergic to it. Yeah. So is it on like the same spectrum as like a ivermectin? It kind of like just clears up anything. Penicillin?

Whoa. No, I don't think, no, no. I think we're okay with ivermectin now. So ivermectin just fixes everything? Yeah. Like, it's like, okay. Isn't that what we were debating back then?

It's like a very universally known. Okay, yeah. No, amoxicillin is. I mean, that guy at the lake was telling us to put ivermectin on our baby's skin for exima. Yeah. The horse paste. Yeah.

I mean, let's not call it. Yes, I know it was deemed horse pace. But like, no, he literally said go to a tractor supply and pick up horse paste. No,

I understand. He did say that. But we need to, we'll do a whole episode on Ivermectin, but I think that, I think it's safe, non-controversial. We're going to do a whole episode on Ivermectin. Yes. But I would say the, if, since you didn't die from taking. By the way, I figured there would be some type of reaction or something where you could get me to the hospital in time. I didn't think I was going to like instantly die.

Let me tell you something. the town around this late community, there might be a hospital, but I, I don't think so. I mean, I had to drive 40 minutes just to get to the, the Walgreens. I, yeah, I understand, but I honestly felt like I was on my deathbed. Y'all, this strep throat, I had 100 fever for like 48 hours straight, like could not knock the fever, even though I would take like four Advil. And, like, because the aches, the aches were so bad that they were, like my toes were aching. Like that's how bad it was. The chills at night, I was like, wake up like, and then I had night sweatsets from the hormones.

I was like, I was like, I got to take this inoxicillin or I don't know what's going to happen. Yeah. A plus side. I don't know if this is the moxacosilin. You seem less anxious, which is what we were really addressing the week prior to the strap. Yeah. I mean, right? you're less anxious?

I have a little layer of anxiety right now, but I think it's mainly because my mom just made me do a try-on-haul with her in these clothes. And the clothes were fine. Don't get me wrong. Are those the clothes? Yeah, this is cute. She let me keep this.

This is my payment. These pajamas. I got these free pajamas for my mom. No, and the clothes were cute and everything. But you know how I am about, like, clothing try-on halls? I don't know. It's just like a little triggering, like a little PTSD. you know and so because i don't really do a lot of like if you look at my instagram i don't do clothes

there's a reason for that yeah i'll do clothes like sometimes if it's like a brand that i really love or if i'm doing like a fun try and haul for like an event or you know but i'm just i'm not like a you come to my instagram to like be styled now maybe on my stories i'll do you know but that stuff disappears and i keep it like super real over there but for some reason i when it comes to creating content like outfit content. It takes me back to like 2019, 2018 era with like the hair extensions and like the really intense edits and just being perfect all the time. And it just, it's like a little triggering. That ain't that. That ain't us. Yeah. And I just like, yeah. And I like, it's hard for me to get past that. Like so when I think Tranha like I go, I go back seven years and I'm like like big like red flashing lights.

Yeah. Nervous system. Yeah. Like just. triggered. And so, like, I knew this Sharnhill was coming up on Monday. And it's not even for my Instagram. Mind you. Like, this isn't even for me. It's for her Instagram. But, like, I have kind of, not been dreading it, but, like, been kind of anxious about it. And then I start doing it. It's fine. Yeah. It's fun. It's a great time. So your, your anxiety is good. Well, yeah, I just came from filming that to this. But I'm okay. Yeah. I was just going to say it, um, it was a hard week last week with the postpartum anxiety but I don't I don't really feel that right now yeah I've been listening to a lot of the Yvonne that always helps me Jake Paul was on interesting um interesting

he wants to run for president but I just don't think he's smart enough man yeah what is he uh he's savvy that would be like me trying to run for president yeah it's like yeah he's savvy he's a hard worker I'll give him that but I think it's sweet I feel like over the years he has evolved

and we have seen like a different side of him right because honestly I just used to think and I don't sorry Jake like no offense if you're listening to this

you're a huge fan I just used to think he's a bad person I don't think he's a bad person no I don't think that but like you know when he started team 10 and all that like I just thought he was a really yucky person. But, you know, most people are not bad people.

I've noticed that about the bad people that we're supposed to think are bad people. Yeah, they're not bad people. They just... It's like, maybe they have like one sort of like false belief, you know, that's like... It's not even that. It's like they just get caught up and insecure and get caught up into like a system. Or they get caught up into like a dream. And then they sacrifice so much for that.

But that's not really who they are. you know like he did the whole he talks about he's like I went to L.A. and it like destroyed me. Yeah. And he was like don't move out. And he was like if I could give anybody like any advice like don't move out to Hollywood and like don't surround yourself with people like that. Really?

That's why he moved to Puerto Rico and just like kind of keeps himself now. What what specifically about Hollywood does he say destroyed him? Just the culture of it? The culture of it and everybody, everyone trying to like use each other to like just succeed and grow off of each other. And it's just, it's a lot. But he wouldn't be where you was without it. And trust me, like, I get it. I did the LA grind too. And maybe not to that extent. But honestly, it was kind of the same thing. I did it actually before he did it. We had our own team 10 houses on YouTube before TikTok even came around. And we were all collaborating and, you know,

quote unquote using each other. And it was freaking exhausting. It was a lot. You know, in the, the same spirit of most people are not bad people. I know that this podcast is kind of, well, it started de-influence to de-influence you or us or our family at the time because we didn't feel like we had a long-form, you know, platform. I've always loved the vision of the podcast of we should go and be like, who are the most top hundred hated people on the internet? And we bring them onto the podcast to de-influence them. That's what I've always loved about the idea the podcast. We've never really gotten there. Why don't you do that?

I have, but you never come to those episodes. And then what happens is when you're not on the episodes, they don't get the same amount of listens. And so it's just like a whole different concept. But I thought it was like, you know, similar to, you know, call her daddy taking that sort of Oprah turn that she took. She went from like talking about her sexy time to Oprah. I thought that would be a fun idea for us in the podcast.

Yeah. So I don't bring on like Trump, Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes. Yeah. And then like, yeah, we just like talk. Well, those are I think. You said the top hated people. Yeah, those are like like a list hate hated people. I was thinking like the B list hated people. So Candice Owen. No, no, no. That's still that that's okay. So maybe the C list hated people. But so. But then like isn't it kind of offensive if we're like, hey, we interview people. that people hate. You want to come on our podcast? No, no, no. When what, who was it that never ended up coming on that I wish she would have at the time? It's Cessley Bachman, remember? Oh, so just like scandals? Yeah, like the other side of what the, because the internet is so good at like jumping to conclusions and labeling something, this is what it is without any nuance. And so I really liked the idea of being like open up. I liked that too. I was just like pregnant or having babies.

No, for sure. Well, if we want to, you know, if we want to go in that direction, we can. We totally can. Because the other reason I'm bringing that up is we might be running out of things to talk about. You and I. Not really. No? Okay. Yeah, I didn't think so either. I was just making sure you didn't think that. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I've been doing a little spring reset lately, not just around the house, but also

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I've tried. Tell me what you've been reading about on Twitter. You always have something new to say about Twitter. You're always like on Twitter, they said this. What I want to know is like who in my audience reads Twitter? That would be a good question. I would have to predict it's mainly male. I think it's mostly men.

And why is that? So I tried, so on Joe Rogan the other day he was interviewing. Bob Lazar or was it Theobon probably Theobon I think I was listening to Joe Morgan because he was entering Theobon But they were he was talking about like basically if you're not on Twitter you're not getting any like real news that's what he was saying oh he said that yeah that is 100% accurate and he was like and then or if you're not listening to specific podcast I would say right and so then I was like okay I'm going to challenge myself to get on X because I do get on thread sometimes but my threads are just funny jokes you know like funny

me that's why I think females are not on Twitter is because I don't really think it's a platform for it doesn't curate well what I think you guys are like really interested in and this is not a stereotype but like I feel like you your audience is interested in like secret lives of Mormon wives and like the new TV shows that are coming up more like pop culture stuff and I don't think that Twitter's that great for pop culture unless it's pop culture relating to like politics or technology or startup. I find that other stuff interesting. You do. I know you do. Yeah, I know my audiences too because I talk about it with them. Yeah. I know. I think you do for sure. Yeah. I think I think so how did your Twitter test run go? Um, it's just hard to like curate your algorithm.

them. It'll happen really fast. Yeah, but I just got to give it a couple days. Yeah, it, it did know that I was like struggling with baby reflux. So I did have like a lot of baby stuff on my on my on my outgrow though, right? Yeah, it was helpful. Just the for you? Yeah. Yeah, it's so good. Yeah, no, I, I did learn a lot. I learned, I learned like so much within like six tweets that I was like, it's a little too much. It's overwhelming sometimes. Yeah, I was like, I feel like what I just learned would have taken me like an hour or two to learn in the real world and like I don't really want to learn anything else like yeah it was a lot it's a lot but then I also typically you have to like sometimes it's like such outrageous news that I'm like I have to go fact check it and like Google it and then I'm like oh that really did happen well no then you can

just click the X button for for grok or whatever and then it will like confirm also you know how like wait can I ask you like what is groc like sorry grog so like you know it's like chat chabit and claude Claude is just another AI. Yeah, but it's like way better. And then chat chabit. Yeah, I don't use chat chitin anymore. But how do you get clod? I hate when you learn new things and you don't tell me.

Like, do you just want me to be dumb? No, I don't want you to be dumb. But why don't you ever teach me anything? Well, I think you do it so that you're smarter than me. No. And you can feel bigger. No. No, let me tell you something.

Chad GBT is really good for you because I've looked at your search history. You little. Not extensively. Just like, you know, we've shared it with each other on the podcast. You stuck into my phone and looked at it? No. No, I was looking at something myself and I saw it. Just read the top five.

What were my searches? It's usually like, how big is my baby right now? Like, you know. I'll read them to you. You know, can I take two Tylenol with amoxicillin? Davy Crockett origins. percentage calculation requests

Dayquel breastfeeding safety lemon water benefits I'm saying it's a lot of ADHD why toddlers hit you I'm telling you it's like Spencer Pratt running for office

Yeah it's so good for you Protestant exorcism practices Why are Halepotitis B spreads It's so good for you Kids bath for a shower, Botox while breastfeeding. If there was ever. Healing nipple blisters.

Yes. So I think Chad GBT is so good for you for that reason. Do you want to know the difference between them all? I can tell you if you find it interesting. So Chad GBT is really good for like consumer like moms. And consumers who like just want to ask questions that search the internet. a lot or just want to like know it quicker. Okay.

It also has the best, in my opinion, it has the best like chat feature where you like click the black button with the bars and you can like actually talk to it. So like when I'm trying to learn something or if I'm like reading a newspaper, which I don't read, but like let's say I'm reading a magazine. What I'll usually do is I'll put my my headphones in and then I will trigger the chat feature and it will sit there silently. But then I'll be like, hey, this article just brought. up this war that happened in 1960, can you tell me about it? And it's the best for that. But Claude is

more like Enterprise, which is why I haven't told you about it. It's really good for like, like, Divi's whole companies on Claude. And so the reason it's good is because they have all these extensions that allow for you to like use the AI in Excel or in PowerPoint. Like we don't make PowerPoints anymore at Divi. We just have Claude make the PowerPoints. Yeah. And so it does. It doesn't it doesn't really do you any good from like a consumer personal standpoint. Yeah, but it's not about that. It's about just keeping me up to date with like what's going on the world. So then GROC is really good at like anytime I need real time information on anything. So like, hey, um, did this really happy happen with Taylor Frankie Paul? I will ask

GROC because it's the only AI that has the real-time data feed from Twitter. So if Twitter is like crowdsourced, you know, from all these people, it's the best at querying that because Open AI and Claude can't get access to the real-time data feed. So like if there was like a, like, remember when the government of Iran or something like shut down and did a blackout and like no one could know what was going on. Yeah. There were a couple people with VPNs that were able to like still sneak around it. And so I would have queried Grock to be like, hey, what's really going on right now beyond the

propaganda? So that's why, you know how like Instagram rolled out those community notes? Yeah. And it's a disaster. Yeah, they need to go by by. It's a disaster because the community notes they rolled out now what people are doing is like all these redditors are just hijacking these bloggers community notes and being like, this person has an eating disorder, whatever. So it's not actually factual. It's it's hijacked. But

the community notes feature on Twitter is super, super reliable. And I don't know how the algorithm works or like how they do it. But anytime you go to like a tweet and you don't know it's true, you can most most the time now like open the tweet and then scroll down. And the first comment is typically like, hey, Grock, is this true? And then it will curate like what is factually accurate and what is not based on like propaganda but like based on actual data. So it that's grok's really good for that. So this this whole conversation has kind of sparked like, okay, I was learning that if we were to stay in like the school district that we live in now, kindergarteners get laptops to

work off of. Okay. A lot of private schools that we have visited. are toward. A lot of them have gotten rid of technology, like up until like sixth grade or fourth grade or something. So they're actually just learning on like with pencils, pen and paper. But like I, when I go back and forth, first of all, like my first inclination is to be like, I don't want my kids on the computer. But now like learning all of this that like we don't make PowerPoints anymore. AI does it for us. We don't do this. We don't do this. We don't make

spreadsheets. It's just like there's a part of me that's like, I need to get my kid on a computer so they learn how to like do all of this. You know, so that, you know, and so then there's like another side of it where I'm like, no, I don't want them on the computer. I just want them to like learn, like just have that traditional education. And I don't know, it kind of freaks you on a little bit. You want me to tell you where I think it's going? Yeah, or what would you want for you?

Or what do you want for your computer? Well, so like, you know how we had to learn math because it was like you're not going to always have a calculator in your pocket? Yeah, that's what the teacher. just would always say you're not always going to have a calculator. So now the challenge for me is it's hard and I know you're not here with me yet. So like we can take our time with it. But it's hard for me not to see school as like a glorified daycare at this point because

sorry, let me say this. Zero through six education I think is really important because it teaches. teaches you the fundamentals of like how to learn and like the basic foundation of like reading, writing, spelling, math, etc. So I think that like zero through six is really important. I think once you get seventh beyond, you're learning things that are pretty like memorization based, you know, so like you're taking tests that are about like this war. I don't understand what the point of that is. Like I think it's so much more important for people to know how to like query the tools that are going to give us the information versus like memorizing the

information and then trying to you know just take a test to get good grades like I just don't see how the model is going to play out in the next like three or four years whereas like alpha school is saying okay here's these like AI interfaces like we are going to teach you to interface with it and get and and and be curious and like create businesses and generate new ideas here's my thing though and I'm postpart and so it's really hard for me to like put together my thoughts but here's the thing like learning about those wars to me it's not just about memorizing information and getting it right on the test it's also like understanding like why did this war happen and what went wrong and then understanding like what should have been different and if you don't understand

history. If you don't understand that war, then how do you know what to ask AI? No, for sure. But there's only of all, so we, we probably toured, call it five to ten private schools, okay? I can think of one private school, maybe two, that had that type of environment for education. They had like literal round tables where they would discuss topics like, you know, here's, let's talk about this time within the Roman Empire. It was, I'm not going to say the names of the schools, but only two of them had that type of discussion. Public school, there's no way. Like, there's no way that public school is going to do that because you would have to

completely uproot and change the dynamic of the system, right? So private schools might catch up and be like, okay, in an AI first world, you know, we need to teach our students to be more critical thinking. we need to help them like understand information have really good media literacy so that they can determine what is truth and what is not. And I think Alpha School probably does it really well. Yeah. But it's hard for me because.

But I do feel like in high school you still are learning like fundamentals, like the foundations of chemistry so that when you go to med school, you understand what anatomy. is or what a chemical is. Yeah, but like that could be taught genuinely like Chad GPD doesn't do this, but like Claude does this where they they launched this feature called diagrams. And it's like, hey, I don't understand what an atom is. Can you visualize this for me? And it's the craziest.

Like it's so it just will teach it to you. And like there's one, Google has this thing called notebook LM. And they just launched this feature where you can say like, Like I could go and Stella could be like, why do, uh, why is the sky blue? Why is the sky blue? And I could type that in and it would generate a PowerPoint at her education level. Yeah. And if I wanted if, you know, now we're talking about two different things. Now you're talking about learning off of AI. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying is like so, so if you don't have like learn the basics of like what is, just an example, what it like that there

is a sky. You don't know how to ask that question. That's like a little stupid example. do you know what I mean? It would get more complicated over time. Yes. I think that like the most important thing in an AI future is curiosity and agency. So like for me, the number one thing of like how do we foster two things in our kids, curiosity and agency and locking them up in a fluorescent light building for, you know, eight hours a day. where our boys, our three boys, are going to be super bored. It's just hard for me. It's hard for me in like the way that things are progressing so fast. Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with that.

And there's, there's kind of a like, when we talk about Nashville, there's like a pipeline of like Nashville families that I think is really funny. It's like people move to Nashville. I'm not saying we're moving Nashville, but like people moved to Nashville. They get into the private school scene there. And then they ultimately end up going to this like hybrid homeschool. like, what do they call them co-op? Co-op things because they start to realize like, man, it's more important for my child

to have a, to develop curiosity in their childhood, to ask questions and find what they're interested in because the superintelligence is going to help them get to where they want to go. But you have to like both teach them curiosity to ask the right questions or to be curious about what they can do differently in the world and then agency to believe. that they can query the tools to figure out how to get to anywhere they want to go. So do you want your kindergartner working off of a computer? Yes or no? No. Okay. Fair not. No. I think that zero.

Their brains are not developed. Zero through six. Like it's like you, no, no, it's not. You got to delay it. Because it's like you with Twitter. It's like you, you read six tweets and you're like overwhelmed. I'm like, my brain's going to. You can't give that type of like super intelligence, like you've got to get the foundation right first. Yeah. But I think that ultimately we're doing the right thing with the school that we chose. Yeah. Oh, we chose the school. Did we not? Did we not? Are you saying that because we haven't announced it? Are you saying because you're second guessing? I don't know. I'm just, I'm just, um, this is how some I talk. He's like, well, yeah. So you're not mad at me now for not telling you.

about Claude. It just didn't seem like you. No, but I just feel like you gatekeep like a lot of information from me, you know, that things that would make me cooler. No, when I, we went to burgers. Does it make you feel big? Is that what it is? No. No, when we, it makes you feel like big, strong, tough guy. No, when we went to burgers, I was telling you all about Romulus and Remus. Remember? Two weeks ago? Yeah. I need like four bits of information a day. Okay. I want to know everything. Okay.

I'll tell you everything. Except about the Roman Empire. I don't want to know about Romulus and Romus. Remus. Remus. This is what I'm talking about, though. No, I want to know about like up-to-date things. What else do you learn on your Twitter feed?

That's what we all want to know. That's why we tune in. Teach us. Okay. I'll teach you. Okay. I have to tell you guys about something that has genuinely surprised me lately. I started using salt and stone and I did not expect to get as many compliments

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Oh gosh. What's on your mind lately? I'm just like how to like get my nipples to feel normal again, honestly. Like they hurt so bad. It's horrible. That's really what's on my mind. I know. I believe you.

They're like Bruce. He has such a shallow latch. So I'm just really, I've been really concerned about that. Yeah. That's about it. Really? Yeah. And then this just stubborn belly weight.

That too. So that's been on my mind a lot. I got this game for our kids, not sponsored. It's called We're Not Really Strangers. Okay, just like side note. Like, it kind of sounds like a creepy game. It's like we're not really strangers. I mean, it's, it's for little and big kids.

And it's like questions that you can ask them that are like simple, you know? This is like the kind of stuff that Jordan buys on Amazon. We use it once and we'll never see it again. This one got me on TikTok shop. No, like he, this is like his favorite thing. This one really got me on TikTok shop. He could have just chatGBed questions to ask my three-year-old, but instead we bought a game. Oh, and it breaks it up by age, which I thought was really fun.

Wait, can I just say something? Yeah. I'm kind of annoyed at this. Because, like, you know, like, my thing that I made up with the kids when we travel and we go to dinner is we always play questions. I know, I got it for you. And I mean, I game up. Yeah, I know. This is just, this was helpful.

Okay, well, I feel like I'm being replaced. And these are the questions that you were asking like he opened up this game. He was like, oh, baby, these questions are so good. And I was like, these are literally the questions that I ask the kids that I just come up within my head. And he's like, oh my God, it's so cute. I'm asking this question. And I'm like, I ask him that all the time. I feel like no matter what I do, you feel like I'm attacking you.

She, we got into a, well, it was more hormonal, I feel like, but the star system. Oh, yeah, tell them. Tell them what you did. Well, so I... No, tell them. Yeah, I know I'm going to. No, tell them right now. I'm going to.

So we got the skylight calendar. Didn't I talk about this on the pocket? Yeah, so we got the skylight calendar. But you didn't talk about what you did behind my back. So I wanted... So we have four kids now. And so I was like, hey, I really need the big kids to step up. And so I created routines, like a morning afternoon and nighttime routine.

One was like in the morning, you make your bed. you get dressed by yourself for stratt and that just means he puts his shoes on by himself and then you brush your teeth and then you help clean up before you go to school and then you get stars and then you get stars and then if you get enough stars and then if you get enough stars you get to save up for something so to save up for something and then you get to buy it you get to buy it you get to convert your stars you lose your stars when you buy it and then you get to buy it two birds with one stone one is it creates high agency children two agency, two, is it gets them to stop asking us every time we go somewhere to buy something.

So now they're like, oh, man, I would have to save up for that. I think decent system. And Danny. No. And so then he implements it without telling me. Okay. So when you create a star system, just, you know, everything becomes about stars. everything. The reason my kids get out of bed now is to get stars so that they can buy something. Because

at the end of the day, it's just another way to bribe your kids. It's just another system to bribery, right? Yeah. So every week, they put, they set their goals and they basically want a new toy. They're getting new toys now than they were before. Well, I'm actually, because every week they get a new toy now. I know. I need to play with the stars. I don't know how stars convert to dollars. I'm, I'm still perfecting that. Yeah, no, it's fine. I need to make things much more expensive. Right, right. So, but basically every week, they look at Amazon and they just tell Jordan, like, I want a K-pop demon on her purse, whatever.

So then he looks on Amazon. So they're obsessed with getting stars so they can get this purse. So the entire day is sitting around, Daddy, I get this star. And then Jordan will, like, use the star system to also discipline them or to reward them. And where am I? I'm just over here, like, what's going on? I'm just chopped liver. Like, and I'm like, I can't discipline them now because then I'm like, hey, guys, getting better.

Or I'm going to take away a star and they're like, that's not your job. Daddy does the stars. And I'm like, okay, so I have no say anymore. I have no power, no control. I can't discipline. I can't reward. I'm just completely left out of the system. I had nothing to do with anything.

And then, like, I try to butt in. They're like, no, Daddy's the one that can give us stars. Danny's the one that set up their routine. Daddy's the one that we and like they just want to impress daddy all the time. I get it. It's like we're supposed to be parenting together. No, I get it. I get it.

And so we talked about it and I said, what do you want? I said you want stars to be gone? Here's another thing. I personally just saying if I would have set up the star system. You said I would have done it totally different. I wouldn't reward my kids for things that I expect them to do like brush your teeth. You're rewarded by brushing your teeth by not getting cavities. what I would done is if you say thank you to your your friend's mom whenever you leave their house

then you get a star yeah but I don't reward my I would never reward my kids for putting on their shoes like dude put on your shoes or you're going to get like glass in your foot like I'm not going to reward you for doing something that you need to do that's just me I'm just saying we tried never would have happened stradden he does not want to put on his shoes now he's putting them on every day. It still takes them some time, but he does it. Well, maybe for Stratton, I would have done that, but for Stella, I would never give her a star for putting on her clothes. Like, she's five. That's fair. I mean, this is, but this is what I told you in the midst of your career. This is why we're partners in things. No, I know. If you would have come to me,

then we would have been like, we could have done it together and made it the perfect system. What did I say to you? I said, hey, listen. You said, I'm sorry for going on your back and creating a system. Well, I said it's open to, it's not set in stone. No, but you know how it, you know how hard it is to like take that away from the kids. It's like, no, it's easy. It's like when I took away TV from the kids. It's, it wasn't easy because they were already used to getting it. And then when you take it away, it's hard. Well, I know. All we need to do is we need to sit down and we need to say, hey, listen, guys, we're creating a new star system. And you don't get stars for putting on your shoes or getting dressed. Now, if you're, you want stars, you have to do X, Y, Z, but you also need to do the things that you were doing before. That'd be so good. Like, if you told them that, they'd be like, oh my gosh. No, they'd be like, well, you don't do the star. They don't say that anymore because I've heard you now, you've adopted it, the star system, haven't you? I just pull it out sometimes when I really need it. I know. And does it work? Sometimes. It works. I mean, but now you have to deal with the, like,

I mean, when you take away a star from these kids, it's like, it's war war three. I mean, they really cherish these stars. Yeah. Honestly, I think they'd rather get a spanking. I think so, to be honest. But the thing about the star system that I think we're still perfecting, that we never followed up on this, but what I did apologize for is I said, you know what, in rolling out the star system, I don't know. I think I should have given stars for rewards, but I don't know if I agree that I should be using the stars to reprimand. Does that make sense? To discipline?

To discipline. So then what would you use to discipline? Well, I don't know. That's what we need to talk about because, you know, we haven't really realigned. Like the discipline's hard right now because sometimes I'm like, okay, let me pull the simmer down time card out, which is like time out, basically. And then we don't really spank. And so, and then there's the star. So I feel like our discipline is not united because we haven't really talked about what we want it to be.

Yeah. You know, and so I just started using stars and I did apologize for that because discipline, we talk about this in our Bible study. Like discipline and being united on discipline between the two parents is so important. And so I, I'm glad you're learning your plus. Sorry. I'm just trying to be as a good. annoying as I can about the star thing

so that you never do it again. Well, and then I get these cards and you know, you're triggered by this too. Get like a sweet. It's because I think I because I still have lived in resentment about the star system.

Yeah, I know. I'm like, so now you're asking questions without me. It's like, that's what I'm saying, though, is like in your postpartum haze, everything is an attack. No, no.

A lot of things are in attack. Oh my gosh. So sensitive. It's so funny. It's so funny. It's so funny. People can hear your eyes moving around. No, people hate that stuff.

Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. I can already feel the people unsubscribing. they're like blocking us now. People, what's funny is like, I had a friend in college that like her biggest ick was chewing ice in front of her. I kind of like the sound of it, but some people are like very opposed.

It like really grosses them out. It's okay. It doesn't bother me. You're so forgiving. I'm really easy to be married to. I don't. don't think you're that hard. Thank you, babe. What else is on your mind? Stratton's birthday party, honestly. I feel really bad. I scheduled his birthday party on a day that there's like two other

birthday parties in his class and his kind of overlaps with someone else's. So I sent the invite to like 12 of his classmates and I've only gotten three RSVPs. And I'm like, oh my gosh, do I move the party? Do I move it to another day? Do I just let that? three people come. I'm like, what, what do you think I should do? No, I think we just got to send it. Really? And then only three people come? You know, I don't remember anything from when I was three. But maybe you would remember it if it was traumatic because nobody came to your party. Yeah, that's a classic mom guilt tactic that your psyche plays the, I think it's going to be okay. Really? Yeah, I really do. Just three people.

Are we, there's only three? Well, three, four. Well, three, from his class. But yeah, I'm inviting like our other, our friends and their kids. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. Okay. Yeah, don't stress about it. His best friend from class, his, her mom texted me and said she couldn't come.

And I was like, I was like, please, I'll pay you. How much you want? I'm like, lifetime of divvy. I'm like, you know, she's like, I'm sorry. She has a dancer title. I'm like, okay, I'll double it. It's hard. It's hard.

Chad's just such a sweet little boy. I just don't want him to get his feelings hurt. No, he's good. He just, if we're there, all he wants is just Barrett. He really does. And Stella. In Captain America.

It's Captain America. I did hear you say, you did walk up to him and you were like, hey, listen, Iron Man's busy. I did tell him. I didn't want to be disappointed. Iron Man's busy that day. And he was like, aw. He were like, but I got Captain America.

He's available. He goes, okay. It's so funny. Was Iron Man booked? Yeah. He was booked. No, Captain America was available. And he was half the price.

I mean, I mean, it's, that's tough because when Spider-Man came to his birthday last year, it was like he was meeting the Spider-Man. No, I know. That's what I'm saying. But, like, Captain America is going to be pretty great. It's such a bummer that Iron Man was booked. No, it wasn't booked. I just said, he's not available.

Oh, so you couldn't find an Iron Man. No. Okay. Let me tell you, there's not a lot of Iron Man's out there, okay? It's an expensive suit. Yeah. It's way more expensive than Spider-Man. Yeah.

No, Captain America. Captain America. Yeah, no, I could not find an Iron Man. I'm just going to be honest. Okay. If any, if Iron Man is listening to this, please email me. Okay. No, it's like, it's too hard because.

Yeah, what do you like? It's like a whole suit. It's like a robot suit. Yeah. So true. I do have, yeah, the helmet. Yeah. So maybe you should come.

Be our Iron Man. I don't know. Why is Stratton so obsessed with Iron Man? That's so random. I know, because he wasn't even really... Like, we never watched Iron Man. No, it's the weirdest thing. We watch Spider-Man all the time.

Superman. Yeah. I don't know where he even got exposed to. Spider-Man and Friends, which is the show that he did watch before you cut out of shows. Before I took away the TV. Did have an Iron Man character in there. Yeah. You know what's interesting about once you take away the TV is that

when they do see a TV on, it could be like golf and they'll watch it. Like they are just mesmerized by the screen because they haven't seen one in so long. So then they see Scotty Shuffler out there and they're like,

this is the most entertainment I've had in months. No, it rained all day on Saturday and Stella blew through the entire season of love on the spectrum. I know. That's such a sweet show, man. I mean, she blew through the whole thing.

And she was so interesting because I just let it play on repeat. And like that girl couldn't take her eyes off of it. Yeah. No, I, it is kind of crazy, though, because this is a really hard thing for most parents. Like it's crazy once you get past like the first couple days, if not week of no screens. It's just gone. Like we don't even think about it. We don't even think about it.

It's not brought up. It's not talked about. Isn't it the best? Oh my gosh. The amount that we had to discipline our time. talk about TV with our kids. Yeah. Before you took it away was insane.

It was crazy. And their behavior was just so bad. So bad because of the TV. Because it was so addicting that when you took it away from them, the tantrums were like horrific. Yeah. I mean, they still, they're not perfect or anything, but like our night times are like so much more calm.

Yeah. And like it's, but it is funny because we don't, I mean, now we can use it as a, the card and it really works. Like if we're having like a really like we're, it's just chaos like on a weekend or something. Like we know that we can put on Aladdin and like they will. We're like, Hey guys.

Listen. They'll be glued and then like tonight we'll watch Aladdin if you guys are really good at the birthday parties or whatever. And like you always know they they it's it always works. Yeah. For sure. So basically we're the best. We get the award.

We get the word. Have you seen what Taylor Branky Paul posted on Instagram yesterday? Yeah, about her faith. Yeah, that girl's been going through it. But you know, it's funny because... There's nothing like a good public lashing, though, to bring you back to Jesus. Let me tell you. Yeah, but you know, like...

It'll humble you. But here's the thing. That girl's been through a lot, and this is the one that broke her. Yeah, this one was big, though. Like, you're literally... When you watch this... the last season of Secret Life, Mormon Wise. Like, she wanted to blow up her life.

She wanted to. Yeah. She was miserable. Like, she didn't want to go to The Bachelorette. Like, all of these girls, I think, are pushing themselves to the absolute brink. And I've seen it firsthand. I've seen the train roll down the tracks before. And I think that she blew up her life.

And I think she, even her mom kind of frustrated me. because her mom was like, Taylor, you're going to lose this amazing opportunity. And like what happens when you're in that position is like everyone wants the train to keep going. And they justify it by like it's so good for you. Or this is such a great opportunity. I don't want you to pass it up. But like she's unwell. It's not fair.

Yeah. So she kind of blew up her life. And then she spent 40 days in the desert just like Jesus. And then Easter happens. She's alive. She's alive. She has risen. She has risen.

And, you know, Jesus died for her sins, just like you died for ours. And I really want to see that season of The Bachelor. I'm going to be honest with you. It was probably bonkers. Yeah. It was probably just the, I think they're going to release it. They've got. They have to.

They've got to release it. Put it on Hulu. Put it behind a paywall. You will make. all of your money back times five by just making us pay for that. I would I would do Hulu premium to watch that that season. It would be all win. Yeah, I agree with you.

She blew up her life. And I think she wanted it. I think she wanted. She wanted a reason to like not be not be involved in all of that. She wanted it. And like now are they doing the secret lives and Mormon wives anymore? I don't know. I think that they talked about Jesse having a spin-off of her own show, and I don't think that that ended up happening. And from the rumors I've been hearing, they're kind of just like slowing down the filming and like there might not be like another season. It's hard because this is like Team 10.

Like without Jake Paul. Without Jake Paul. None of them like, some of them are like firefighters now. Yeah, but look at Alex Warren. Wasn't he on Team 10? No, he was a different house. Really? Mm-hmm. Wow. No, Alex Warren was like a different house. But I'm just saying like it's hard because this is the funniest thing.

Trey Kennedy has that skid about this. Like, will Mom Talk survive this? But I don't know if these girls survive without Mom Talk. Or without Taylor. Without Taylor. I think Whitney will have a pretty long career, her and Connor. I think Macy will fizzle. Jen Affleck will do okay.

No, they need, I'm telling you, like, without Taylor, like, I'm just thinking about the show without her. Yeah, like, that's what I'm saying. Like, even them, the show, she kind of made it. Yeah, she did. Because she was so, like, she's so good for reality TV. But so bad at the same time. But that's what reality TV is. It's a way for us to feel better about ourselves.

Yeah. It's a way for us to look at someone else and then, be like, oh, I am better than you. Whether we admitted or not. But see, all those other people that you're naming, they're just too normal. They're too normal. That's what I'm saying. It's like they're too normal.

And like even like I don't know if this like Jesse Jordan, is this divorce real or is this all scripted? No, it's real. It's real. Man, like I don't know what he did and I don't know what she did. But it's like. Yes, you do. It was on, we watched the little season.

But they don't get divorced on the season. But yeah, but it's all steps from that. And then. what happened was she went on call her daddy and said that whenever they were together and the news hadn't broke that she was having an emotional affair he had all of this proof on his phone and these text messages yeah and was like every night like basically holding it holding her what is it holding it ransom and basically like threatening her saying like if you don't do this like i'm going to post you know the text messages and out the fact that you were cheating on me so she

like and so it was just like very toxic yeah it's so bad i mean but i feel bad for that whole situation makes me really sad um yeah it's just it's just hard for me because we watched the show together and i feel like we watched it under the lens of like knowing when you're on the hot streak like what it takes from you emotionally spiritually physically mentally well and and it's like the opportunities are coming in. Like Taylor got the bachelor. Whitney got to go on Chicago. Jen Affleks on Dancing with the Stars.

And it's like... And they're all kind of like jealous of each other. But these opportunities like you know deep down that if you don't take it, another one might not come. And that's true. Like people are like, oh, another opportunity. No. When you're on the up and up, you have to take the opportunities.

You got to. You have to. And like you have to make sacrifices. And that's how you get to the next thing and the next thing and the next thing. Like, for example, if you don't get on the reality show, you're not going to get the opportunity for dancing with the stars. You're not going to get, you know, so it all kind of builds off of each other. But I think a lot of them, like, you say yes to it thinking, oh, that might happen, but they don't realize it's going to happen. And then when it happens, they're not prepared for it.

Not only that, they have like three or four small children. No, that's what makes me sad about it. I rode that wave whenever I was, like, living in L.A. and I was like 21 years old. and it was so bad for my mental health. But like, I cannot imagine how hard that is on their marriages. Like, especially because they're very new to fame.

Like you and I have been doing it since day one, like creating content, putting our lives out there, riding the wave of opportunities since we started dating. But a lot of them just like, he was going to med school and she was a stay-at-home mom.

Like, they are still developing the skills and of like how to have a healthy marriage, like just creating content and working together. Like, they've only been doing it for two or three. years. You and I have been doing it for like eight or nine years. So even if we would have done the reality show, it would have been really hard, but we still have like skills and like we've learned how to do it better. I feel like I cannot imagine. That's why all these divorces are happening.

It's too much for them to handle. Like, because when their hot streak, like, I would say your, your second hot streak was when we first got married, you know, but we didn't have any kids. So like, oh, we did was work. We could hop on planes. We could go wherever we wanted. Work till 9 p.m. sleeping if you had to. You know, like we were able, and we were able, I think we worked well together too. And so we just took care of ourselves. We didn't have to take care of anybody else. But like what is hard on me about the show is like I know what they're going through,

but they're doing it with like three or four kids, which would be the equivalent of us going through what we went through like 2018 through 2021 with all of our children. And I'm going to be totally honest. Like something would have had to get. Like, it's, it would have been so hard on our marriage and, like, our children. I just don't. That's what happened with Bobby all talked to.

She had kids. And then what happened to her? And they got divorced. Yeah. And then she, like, moved out to L.A. and, like, was, like, never with her kids. And it's hard because I, I genuinely think that, like, fast forward five or ten years, the people that make those decisions to, like, give up the fact. foundation, whether it's like their marriage or their kids for the fame, the problem is that like

what Jake Paul said, Hollywood will chew you up and spit you out and not care, right? And so it'll leave you technically with nothing. You'll have fame and you'll have money and you'll have all these things. But like inside you will feel like you have nothing. Right. But I will say, I do think there is a way to do it. Like there is a way to do it. And I think that a lot of people feel like Connor and Whitney are are doing it well because he has completely sacrificed his ego. Like he has like no ego and he is like, I am strictly here to support Whitney on her journey. I think Zach's trying to. I don't know how the internet feels about Zach right now, but I feel like he is genuinely,

I think it's super weird that he showed up to that meeting for Jen. But I also totally don't because I know that her mental health is probably total crap right now. And he's trying his best to like. And I can, I, I, I, I feel like I can imagine the behind the closed doors, like, Danny's mental health is suffering, but she's like, like, Jordan, please just go talk to her. Like, I can't show up for the filming. I'm like so, I'm, I want to be with my kids. I feel so guilty.

Like, I, I can't go to the filming? Please, can you just go do it for me? The thing about what no one will understand that these husbands are going through is like, what is the line between enablement and empowerment? Like, that is the biggest thing for like Instagram husbands is like, where are you enabling the train going off the tracks versus where you supporting and empowering those things. And I agree. I think Connor right now is being seen as very empowering, right? And I think that he probably is, but there is going to come a time. She's doing eight shows a week on top of having

three kids, on top of filming small kids, two reality TV shows. Like, I'm so sorry, like that is inhumane. It's inhumane. we've been there so like he is empowering and they are on the up and up and as long as that's a season i think it actually is empowering but most likely it's going to come to this point where whitney is unwell and he's going to have to ask the question am i still empowering or am i enabling by supporting this train a roll in but how do we learn how do we learn otherwise right like you know and so and zach i think is trying to do the same thing he's like hey, I supported you doing dancing with the stars, but like, I'm also your husband here,

you know, and like, when can I speak out about? So it's just, it's so hard. Yeah. But they are, all are trying to figure it out. I just feel really sad sometimes because I'm like, man, to figure that out with like almost all of them have like three or four kids, right? Yeah. Like even in the show, there's like babies crying while they're like literally performing drama for this show. Yeah.

It's sad. It's sad. I know, but it's like, it's also a job. Yeah, but it's like the kids. But your kids would be crying. I didn't need a job. Are you talking about the babies? I don't know.

Like, I'm talking about the toddlers, like the ones that are like in the mix of the drama, like, when they like know what's going on. I don't know. Are you talking about what Taylor through the stool? No, well, yeah, that that's a side effect of like the pressure that probably came from reality TV or whatever. Yeah. But like there was like one episode where they were playing pickleball. And like all the kids were there. Okay.

And so I feel like something dramatic happened at this party. I can't remember. I can't remember either. But I was like, man, that's so crazy to like have the kids all in the mix. And the reason I feel bad is because I know it's like the same reason that we're super curated or selective about what we film because we know that sometimes when you film something, you're missing the actual moment. Yeah. And like, I think what we learned is like our kids actually know when we're producing something versus living something. Yeah. And they're old, they were old enough to start figuring that out.

And I feel like we're blessed that we like discovered that. And some of those kids in the mix are like old enough to know that like my parents are performing for this show. So let's say cameras go off. off. Yeah. You know, and they're, they have to go return to that normal state of like, hey, I'm just Jordan your dad. Right. Or I'm just Jesse, your mom. It's just so hard to context switch, you know. And then Jesse, your mom now is like back with Marciano posting on social media pouring lemonade on them because that's the character. So you got to live in this character, you know, even if that's not the mom that you are, maybe that is the mom that you are. You have to live in this character that you've created for yourself because it's part of the job and your kids are old enough to know

what's going on. It's just like, how do you reconcile it all? Does that make sense? Yeah. It's so, it just feels so, but that's why we love it. And that's why we watch. And so it's a double-edged sword. Yeah, a part of me kind of wishes that they would, now I'm like, I kind of want another season to see what happens to these families as they continue to push the line. And it's like, line the limits. Not because I want them to be harmed. I'm just kind of curious and I wonder if it actually would be helpful to some moms because I still do believe that we're being fed this message as moms. It's like you can still pursue your dreams as a mom of three and you can still go after this and then like woman empowerment and let's all, you know, and I believe in all of that too, but

but you can't have it all. You can't. Well, yeah, but I would say that. they are, I agree. And so if you can't have it all, like, and you do pursue it, like, what, what does end up happening or what does a healthy, or what does a healthy version of that look like? Like, if Whitney and Connor are able to go out to New York, do Chicago and then come back home and say, that was like a really great season, we're going to take a little break and then maybe do something else really fun. And then I'd be like, wow, that was a really cool example of what it looks like to pursue your dreams. Yeah. But, If she goes out there and then she's getting on another reality show and then they end up getting a divorce in two years.

That's interesting to me because then it does show people like, hey, you actually can't have it all. Like you can't do this, this, this, and this is despite what mom talk even messaged to us at the beginning, which was let's all support each other and pursue our dreams and like boost each other up. But you're not, you're thinking about the moms. You're not thinking about the kids. this isn't kid talk, this isn't dad talk, this isn't family talk, this is mom talk. And so what happens to the overall family unit as you can, like, what's bad and what's good? That's a good thing about reality TV sometimes is like you get to see like what not to do. Yeah. Well, it's 100%. And reality TV, like, I think it depends for Connor and Whitney. I think it

depends on the medium that she still decides to jump into. I think if you're, if she signs up for another reality TV show. Reality TV is it's so rarely built on wholesomeness. It's just not interesting enough. Even the Busbys, you know, who had quintuplets or whatever they had, he would talk to me all the time. Like he was like, man, like they keep our, we, we, we, they stood up against their producers on a TLC reality TV show because they were like, they kept trying to spin drama that we did not feel was going to be good for our children. So these producers know what they're selling. They're selling, making people who watch it feel better about themselves.

So how do you do that with like a successful marriage unless you have a villain? That's why Taylor, Frankie Paul was so important to the show because she could have been the villain and they could have all honestly had pretty wholesome storylines. Storylines and good families. But like if you lose Taylor and she actually becomes the redeemed figure, you guys are either going to, the producers are going to push you guys to become the villains. you know, or the show's going to collapse. Yeah. But so I think Connor and Whitney can have it all and can't have kids and him be a good dad and her be a good mom. I'm just not sure if it's possible if it's reality TV that they keep, you know, pursuing.

What do you think? I think reality TV is possible because once again, it is a season and you know what days and months you're going to be filming. Like the Kardashians have done like 20 seasons of reality TV, but maybe they only film like one month a year. Yeah. So it's like it's kind of like being like on and off season. Yeah, but none of them have been long term married them. But they're also in Hollywood. So maybe that's it. Yeah. Do Chip and Joe still do their reality TV show? I think they, they shut it down, right? They still do a lot of projects together. And I think they maybe do like some one-offs. but yeah, I don't think that they do their show together anymore.

That's a good example. I know that that was really hard on their marriage. Hard on their marriage, yeah, because. So who does have a good marriage that has a show together? Anybody? It ruined Jessica Simpson and what's his name? Nick Lechay. Let me ask Chad Ched-GPD.

Yeah, ask it. Or do you want to ask GROC? No, you can ask Chatt GPD. That's good. Who? I mean, honestly. Oh, Nick Lachey and Vanessa. Yeah, or they only do like one episode and they're their hosts. They're more they're more

Wisdom type of mentors on the show. Yeah, yeah. They're not characters right. So they're almost kind of like sharing lived experience. I would say the busbies they're the only like they're TLC that's like totally different platform true. Man even those home renno people oh Kristen Cavaleri too they got divorced yeah those like the home rent was the name Tarek or whatever. Oh yeah. I mean So do you think it's the show that's breaking them up or the fame or both? I think it's really tricky. And I think it's personally really tricky when your brand, you as a couple in your marriage that becomes your brand. Oh, same with Amanda and.

Yeah. What's his name? Not West, but Kyle Cook. Yeah. I don't know if it's the fame. I think it's like when... Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt, they're still together. But she dropped off.

Out of all of them, they're the ones that... But she dropped off. Yeah, but they were on reality TV a long time. Well, I mean, nobody does reality TV their entire marriage. The only ones that continue to do are the Kardashians. Right. But there's so many of them that they can like... Man, I watched that Lamar Odom documentary.

You've seen it? It's crazy. He was... Um, you know, he was a drug addict, maybe a sex addict. I don't know, they weren't like totally clear on that. He was found in a brothel, so maybe. Um, but Chloe is like such a gem. Like she was really trying to like rehab him and support him. And when he had his like, uh, when he overdosed, he was found in a brothel. And Chris Jenner, the Jenner's went out there to pick him up and bring him back home. And so he, um, he, um, he overdosed. He was found in a brothel. And so he, um, like couldn't walk anymore. Like one side of his brain like wasn't working. He was like in a wheelchair. And she was like at the time still married to him because the divorce paper

hadn't gone through yet. And she was like, I'm not going to leave him. Like even though he had like multiple times cheated on her, they were already going through a divorce. He was already like a really like horrible drug addict. She was like, I'm still not going to leave him. And she decided to let him come back home and she was going to rehab him. And so they had like all of these like specialists coming in and out, taking care of him.

And one day she came home and he was smoking crack. And he had pretended to be worse off than he was so that she would take care of him. And yet he was still having his drug dealers come to the house. Dang. That's crazy. Yeah. So wait. Is he clean now? it seemed like it I don't know

it's just like is he alive? Yeah he was in the documentary him and Chloe were in the documentary Wow yeah but yeah and it was like

he had two kids through it all and he's probably not super involved in their lives right I think he is more now but he definitely wasn't back then Dang.

Yeah, it's crazy. Chloe's like, you really love her after that documentary. Really? Yeah, she, like, really stood by him and, like, did everything she could. Well, didn't a, I feel like... The whole family, actually. Yeah, did Kim do the same for Kanye, like, like, tried to help him? I'm sure.

They were married. That, I don't know, that family, man, they will fight for their people. They will fight for their people. Their selection process could use a little tweaking. Why? Just. Oh, the men? Yeah.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about because they'll fight for their people because we almost hired one of their people. Oh, no, no. And then they like literally fought for her back. Yeah, no, no, no, for sure. But like, no, I was saying that their selection criteria. Oh, like, yeah, for sure. You know, it's tough. I think that's what happens when you just are okay with divorce.

you don't take it as serious. Yeah. You're like, I can always get out of this thing just in case. Yeah, it's hard. When I married you, I was like, this is it forever. You know? I was like, I can't go anywhere. I was like,

Pudgy and me like, hey. No, I loved it. Yeah, I feel like we take it very seriously. And if you don't take it that serious, then I mean, the only thing is, like, Chloe dated him for 30 days and then got married. So sometimes I'm like, sometimes you're asking for this stuff. It's like this is honestly more your fault than anything.

It's like what did you expect like to marry someone and you don't you don't really know them? It's like a little yeah. Yeah, I didn't know that. That's crazy. Yeah, they got married after 30 days of knowing each other. Well, I mean. And he's so used her. Like he talks about she talked about how he's like obsessed with the camera.

He was the one that wanted to do the reality show. He's, because they had a Lamar and Chloe TV show together. Yeah. And he even basically said it like in the documentary that he just like, he was like, now we have Lamar Odom and the Kardashians. Like I'm going to basically partner with like the most, you know, powerful family. And then me like we're going to be a power couple. Like he just, he wanted to be famous.

Yeah. And. Yeah. Was he like a, was he a good basketball player? Oh, he's pretty good. Okay. Him and Kobe were pretty good buds. he was traded to Dallas for a little bit you remember that when everybody was talking about it

and like Chloe coming to Dallas they were here for like I mean I don't even feel like it was like a month I don't remember maybe a couple months and and then he got kicked off the team because of his drugs yeah the craziest thing to me is like when athletes are drug addicts I'm like how are you yeah what don't on the field or on their protocols for this no I mean there's protocols and they do drug test, but he was doing drugs that they weren't testing for. And he knows which crack. They're like, we didn't think we needed to test for crack. No, literally. And so he knew which ones he could do. And, but I'm like, oh, then how do you wake up in two days and then just go play a basketball game and run up and down the court nonstop? I can't, I can't fathom it.

I don't know any crack addicts, but that's a tough one. What is crack again? I always forget what It's crack cocaine, so I think it's crystallized cocaine, right? Wait, so there's a different. So cocaine is one thing and then there's... Well, cocaine is the powder and then crack, I think, is when they, like, crystallize it, right? What's the... Or maybe that's crystal meth. No, that's different.

I don't know, but I don't... I don't... I pass on grass. I don't do drugs. Dare. Dare program. That one really, actually. It's cocaine, right?

Yeah, correct. So just cocaine? Not that, sorry, not just cocaine. I just... which the CIA introduced to South Central L.A. And then we'll end the episode on that. Goodbye. Oh, my gosh.

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