De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - A Tornado Tell-All

Episode Date: July 19, 2023

This week, Tornado mom pops into the studio to make an appearance! She laid it alllllll on the table. A secret divorce, raising Dani, expert advice, & more. Buckle up for some typical Tornado energy!

Welcome back to your favorite podcast, de-influenced. Oh, I messed that up. Can we do that again? Okay, welcome back to your favorite podcast, de-influenced. This is what it's like filming a TikTok or a reel with my mother. We're always like, okay, transition on three. One, two, jump on three and she'll jump like on five. Well, I know because my timing's off.

What can I say? It's funny how like our family is pretty, athletic, but so uncoordinated. Like, I don't know how to explain it. I think we have good hand-eye coordination, but not like body coordination. Well, like dancing, stretching. Wait, a minute. Speak for yourself.

I'm a good dancer. Mom. Yes. Mom. Yes. I'm Hispanic. I've got rhythm. Oh, I'm sorry, Bella.

No. I've got rhythm. Like, that's, I think that's one of the biggest myths, like, about our family is that we all think that we have rhythm when we don't. It's the funniest thing. in life, I just own it. You fake it till you make it. That's what it is.

That's so you. Like in every sense. That's my mantra in life. We were actually talking about that earlier. One of the, one of the J.D. on our team was like, I want to know how you're so confident or why you're so confident. And especially because we just did that Sports Illustrated. Oh, my God.

Swimsuit shoot. Yeah. And my mom was like, well, I don't know. I just don't really care anymore. She's like, it's not that I'm confident. It's just I don't really care what people think. That's so true. Hey girls, all I can tell you is when you get to be my age.

It's such a brilliant experience because pretty soon you just don't really care. You care of yourself. You want to look good. You want to do all those things. But you just don't really care what people think about you because you ain't got time for that. Yeah. I mean, I even get that. I feel like as I've gotten older, it's like gotten to the point where it's bad.

I mean, you've seen my airport outfits. Oh, my. my God, Danny, I think, I think, I think you've gone a little over the edge. No, I definitely have, like, it's got to the point where, like, Jordan is like, hey, like, I love you, but like, what is this? Okay, I agree. I'm just so, I just don't care. And I, like, and it's so weird because I used to, if you knew me growing up, like, even in

high school or college, like, I mean, I did not leave the house, like, unless I was decked out. That is so true. Danny, you always picked your outfits before. each school day, you would get decked out to go to school. No, the night before. I mean, that's what I meant, the night before. I would come in, my mom would be like watching TV and I'd come in and like model like four different outfits and I'd be like, which shoes, do this, does this stupid and I was always like kind of pushing boundaries with like the style. Yeah. And so sometimes my mom was like, no, that's too much or. I always thought you had cute style. You still do. No, I definitely.

Except for your airport outfits. We need to work on that. But it's different. Yeah, it's different now. But it's more for comfort than it is for. And I think too, like I feel like also being in this job, like you put yourself out there every single day. I'm like, I have nothing to hide. So like, why am I going to try? I don't know. It's weird. Yeah.

I mean, I know that you used to try on all these clothes and pretty soon you got to the point where you're like, okay, I'm over it. I just want to be comfortable. And I get it. I get it. Yeah. I think too, being a mom, you're like, the last thing I have to worry about is myself. I need to get my kids dressed. So true.

So true. But speaking of clothes, we did the N-Sale, the Northsham sale, which you do every year. That's probably one of my most fun things I do with you because I literally get to go in there and try on outfit after outfit. And you style me. I mean, I've gotten some of my best looks from you, Dan. From the N-Sail specifically. But you just in general putting outfits together for me.

It's funny, too, like going back to the clothes and fashion thing, dad and I were all. always very into fashion. And my mom and my brother were very into like not. Not. No. It's like to us, I always felt like it came. It was like another language for us. Like you just, you kind of get it or you don't. Like it's just one of those things. It's same with, um, I don't know, like there's things like for me like I'm not a good like food or movie critic. Some people are like really they just, they get it. They like, they like are able to appreciate it. I'm like, I don't know. Or art. But like when it came to clothes or fashion, so simple for me. It's, It's like not as simple for you.

So true. It did not come naturally at all. Actually, your dad told me the other day, he goes, wow, you've really gotten into fashion lately. I mean, he's noticing, and I'm noticing it because now I'm like more particular what I wear to go out to dinner or even when I travel on an airplane. So I think I've learned that from you at this stage of the game, which is kind of fun. It's fun.

It's like another hobby. Like I used to, do you remember how many hours we would spend like, looking for an affordable version of like a Ralph Lauren. Oh, that's my favorite thing. I still like to do that. But you remember we would go out like all weekend and I would, I would take a picture from like a Vogue magazine or something. And this is when I was like in high school and you were driving me or no,

middle school probably. I don't know. You were driving me around. And I would be like, okay, mom, I want the over in the knee boots with a white, you know, slouchy sweater. And we would go everywhere all over Dallas to put together this look. Marshalls, T.J. Max. We go to, um,

I mean, anywhere. And so it is kind of like a hobby, like whenever you get into it, it's like fun. Okay, girls, how many of y'all, it's like the thrill of the hunt sometimes? It's just so rewarding. Like, I still love to see high-end styles. And I always tell Danny, I go, I found something that looks just like this. And I just, I don't know, there's just something that's invigorating about that. You get a high.

Yeah. That's why people become addicted to shopping. Whoops. I asked my mom. I was like, do they have addicted to shopping? I'm like, I think you are. I think you are. Oh, really?

You're like, okay, first of all, when do I ever go shopping? Well, you shop online. No, I don't. You don't? Was that a joke when you said that? Because, like, it's like funny because I like so don't. Well, you have to remember, I just went to the end sale with you and you came home with a bunch of class.

Okay, but this is what also people don't understand about the end sale is like, yes, you get the best finds and stuff. But like five or six years ago when I started blogging, I mean, 90% of people's income when they were blogging was from the end sale. So now it's different because the industry has evolved so much. And so now you can work with so many brands. And like people actually appreciate like content and content creators. But back then you'll have to understand that like we were making most of the money that we made was like affiliates.

And so the end sale was kind of like I'm not kidding. When I moved back to Dallas, I mean probably 80 to 90% of my income was made in that first like two or three days from the end sale. Annie, you know what I remember. I have fond memories of when you first got started. First of all, driving around Dallas, trying to find a white wall for you to take your pictures. You're dressing in the car, half the time you're just like throwing on clothes and we're like going from location to the location. I'm taking all your pictures.

And then we'd go to the ensail and we'd be in the dressing room and trying on and we're over here talking. Like I had to sneak in the first year, remember? Because I wasn't status. Oh my gosh. I didn't know about that, but I just know that. She doesn't let me to reveal the secrets. The secrets.

Yeah, I didn't qualify. But it was fun. It was fun going into the dressing room and you trying on. One year the manager caught me and said, I'm going to pretend like I didn't see you. Aw, that was nice of him. It was a female. She was nice, but she, like, wasn't really, like, too keen on it. But I was like, girl, girls got a hustle out here.

Hey, you were a hustle. I'm going to tell you, if there was a will, there was a way with Danny. You always figured that out. We had fun. And I actually really liked the N-CHA. sale this year. There was a lot of like really cute, like different things. I feel like they kind of do the same thing every year and you know, you get a little bit of that. But no, I feel like at this point, you don't see as many bloggers sharing the Nordstrom sale. But for me, it's so nostalgic and it's

like, I'll always do it. Like it's just like, it's something that I'll always go like hard for. Because it's like, it's just like part of it. I think it's so nice that you can style things together because you're right. Sometimes you go there and you see stuff. hanging on the racks and you're like, I don't know, it's not that cute. And then you get it to, you put it together, Danny, and you put it on me and on you. And then all of a sudden I'm like, wow, I really like that. I need this. I need this sweater. I need these pants. I need the skirt. I am bummed. They didn't have a new barefoot dreams cardigan. Oh, I know. We searched high and low. Well, they did have some, but they weren't like the big, like the plush ones. And everyone in my life is

just begging me to retire my plush. Oh my gosh. I'm begging too. Trust me. That thing needs to go. It's so bad. It's become like a security animal now. It's like an adult security blanket. But it's like, you know, I travel a lot and I leave my family a lot and I leave my kids or I go somewhere for a couple of days. And it's like the one thing that remains consistent is my favorite dreams cardigan. It just means it's so much more than just a cardigan. I know.

So anyway, we did the end sale. We did Miami. I did you see on Instagram what Landon did? where he's on an ad for that game at the mall? No. Oh, no. What are you talking about? No, he's in an ad.

Apparently there's something in the mall where you can go in and play these games. And they use Landon on their advertising. So he's all over. You haven't seen that? No. He looks so cute. He posted something really cute. He was like, hey, Mom, look, I finally made it.

Did he get, is it like, did he know about it? Yeah, he knew it. Well, he knew that he was part of. the advertiser, but he didn't know they were going to post it there on site. So he takes his friends with him there. Did he get paid? I don't know. They took his likeness. Now he, I'm kidding. His likeness. He probably loves it. That's fun. So he's like, it's like big? Yeah, it's a big, big billboard. I have to show it to you. It's on Instagram. Don't you ever get on your Instagram and watch your brother's stories? I do. I do. It's just been a busy week, but I do.

Yeah. Especially, I mean, waking up this, this week, I've been trying to get back at like working out at 630. And so I get up at like 615 and I have to work out at 6. So I don't have a lot of time to scroll. Yeah. But so, but if I wake up later, I'm like, I'm scrolling. I'm checking everything out. But so yeah, when it's up to know. Did you see what else he posted on history?

No, no. He launched his girlfriend. What? He said, I don't know if he's shown. So I haven't talked about. He called her his girlfriend. Yes. So I haven't told you all about this because I wasn't sure.

It wasn't my. story to tell. So, but when I went to Nashville, one of the other reasons I went to Nashville was I got to meet his girlfriend. Okay. And I'll let him tell the details of the relationship, whatever. I don't know how much I'm supposed to say. And this is early on too. And you know, from my perspective, I've seen pictures of her. She looks precious. She's adorable. But like, you know, it's early on. It's hard. It's hard. I don't want to get too attached yet. As a matter of fact, we're going to meet her. I forgot to tell you, they're coming to Park City with us. Okay, that'll be so fun.

So I met her. And so I, that's the thing. You have to understand about Landon and his love life is like, there have been a couple in the past that I've gotten so attached to that like when it doesn't work out, it's like a breakup for the whole family. Like a couple in particular that were like sisters to me that like still make me sad. And I get it. Like it didn't work out.

It's best for both of them. I feel like since then we put up walls. And like now we try, like I feel like we try not to get too attached because it's, it's hard. And then it's like also you don't want Landon or her to feel like they have to. And I think that's one of the things about having a public relationship is you almost feel like you have to stay in it for everyone else. Yeah. So I think that's why Landon is also trying to be a little bit more private this time to like just

figure out what. I think that's a smart move. I think for him, especially with his history. Yeah. No, and like, I'm, I think it's smart and everything. But can I tell you something? Yeah. I, you know, I have this feeling.

And this is something that you girls need to know. For a guy, it's all about timing. So not to say that Landon has not met a girl that he could have married and been perfectly happy with. He just wasn't ready. But you know what I think? I think he's ready. Well, yeah, he just bought a house, a five-bedroom house. I don't think it's a feeling.

I think he bought a five-bedroom house. house. He's living in the huge house. It's bigger than my house. You think he's nesting? He's for a wife. I think he's so ready. Now it's just like he needs to find the right girl. I think the girls that we fell in love with in the past were awesome. It was just bad timing. He just wasn't ready. Which is really sad for some of these girls because like you said, we became so attached to them. And we thought, yeah, this could be the one, but he just wasn't ready. So let's just see. I don't want to get too excited. I'll let y'all know more after we meet her. But so basically, he posted on his stories he said yeah my girlfriend

da da da da like he he mentioned the fact that he had a girlfriend he's I don't think he's ever like taking a I think he's he's posted a couple of pictures with her but anyway I really like her we went to a winery one morning in Nashville together the other thing I really like about her is she was

very good with the kids like because like a lot of times the girls that Lannon has brought around are like you know maybe they're not as comfortable with kids and yeah that's Because they're 22 years old. Yeah. Trust me.

I know I wasn't going to go there, but I'm glad you did. But like I, because something that's unique about our family is like we didn't have a lot of cousins or like kids around. That's true. So Landon and I were not like we weren't good with babies. We never babysat. We never worked at like a children's camp. Like in fact, we were like not into babies. I think you babysat a couple of times and then you realized it wasn't for you.

I didn't like it. I was like kids are annoying. Like, you know. And then honestly, even when we were. we got married like jordan i would see babies out and about we're like yeah just not really for us and it's like so funny how just one day things kind of change and it like clicks for you because then i remember one day like looking at a baby and be like oh i want one of those like oh they're so sweet and now i can't look at any baby or any little kiddo and not think that is the most precious thing in the world

but um but anyway so my point being was she was very good with kids like she was very motherly and like kind of took like, you know, like something would go wrong and she would just get into the diaper back, took the initiative, was like, you know, let me fix it, let me do it. And I was like, oh, thank goodness we have somebody else that is like, is like that. Because not a lot of our family we're not very, we're just, we're just all our babies around. Like everybody kind of like does their own thing. We're very independent people, but I think we're very helpful and I think we're nurturing in a certain way, but we're not like overly motherly. As a matter of fact, when I was young.

It can be offensive to some people. And it's not. It's just, you know, everyone's different. And that's what makes us all unique. And that's why it works so well together. That's why you and Tammy get along so well. You know what? I have a gripe, though, because I feel like both of my kids,

I know you guys love me, but you guys are not the most huggy people in the world. It's like when I walk up to Danny and hug her, she becomes a wooden Indian. And so does Landon? And I'm like, okay, And I have to literally hold on the land and go, relax. It's okay.

Hug your mama back. Why is that? What did I do? Here's what I'm learning about children and people in general. It's like as much as you want to go back and like blame something for why someone is the way that they are. Sometimes that's just the way that they are. It's not because they were raised a certain way. It's not because like there are things that Stella does.

It's innate. It's innate. And like you can't blame it on something. It's just who they're like. Stella, there are things that Stella should be, in theory, the most outgoing, comfortable person around strangers. We've had people in and out of our house, like, she's like, I mean, in theory, that's how, but she's not like that.

She's more shy. She's more reserved. She's more skeptical. There is no reason she should feel like that, but she just is that way. I think that's a good thing, though. No, I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying that, like, as much as, I think that's just how Landon and I are. I had a friend.

So it's nothing I did. I just want to set the record straight because I think, why are they not affectionate? Because I feel like I'm affectionate to you guys. I know. But like, okay, so my best friend in college, Kelsey, we were roommates for two years, is probably like the most handsy, affectionate person. Like we would, you know, our beds, we're twin beds right next to each other. And we'd wake up in the morning, she'd get in my bed and cuddle me.

And I would just later like, what do with my hands? Like, I don't know what to do. And I don't mind it. It's not like I don't like affection. It's not, it's not like I'm anti-affection. I just, I can receive it. Yeah, but I don't know how to like give that back to people. Like, and I'll touch people's wrists or hands, but I'm just like, I have some friends

that are so handsy and that's just who they are. That's true. Okay, do you know what's interesting? But there's other nice things. There's other nice things about me, I just have to say. You know what Landon's love languages? Yes. Every guy is like that.

He loves physical touch. Yeah. So it's ironic that he doesn't like to give him. Maybe he just likes to give it to his girlfriends. Well, that's like a whole nother conversation. But, yeah, no, I could see that. And just because that's what you like to receive doesn't mean that's what you're best at giving. That's true.

That's so true. So it's like there's a lot to it. But why were we talking about this? I have no idea. Being affectionate. We were talking about being motherly. Motherly. Yeah, let's talk about being a mother.

I have a question for you. Okay. Okay. So do you ask? ever look at yourself when you're parenting Stella and Stratton, is there anything that you do that you stop and go, oh my gosh, that reminds me of my mom? You should ask Jordan this because he'll be like, you're acting like your mom. I'm like, what? Is that a good or bad thing? Well, the crazy things like. Oh, whenever you're crazy. Like at the airport. At the airport?

I get very like anal about. Oh, anxious if you're running late or if you're. Or just like about the smallest things like waiting in lines like you have to be first or like you know we'll be at the this is something that my mom would do like we'd be at the grocery store like all three of us me landin my mom because my dad was always traveling when we were younger not when we were older right so my mom you know we've had the grocery it's not like we had anywhere to be but like I think because of the way you were raised like everything is life or death well no you know my dad was in the military so he was a strict like get the job done be efficient while you're doing it work hard so we'd be at the grocery store and my mom would make and we'd be like little

and my mom would make each one of us wait in a separate line to see like who would get there first and so like I'll do I'll do stuff like that with Jordan where I'm like you go wait in that line that line's moving faster I only did that at Disney World I only did that like in places like that that I remember I was like okay we got to be efficient mom I know no she's kidding I've gotten better now Hey, no, don't take these things personally. Like, it is what it is. This is, like we said, it's who you are.

That's okay, you know? And so, I'm just trying to be efficient. No, I get it. And that's why I do the same thing. But sometimes friends like, Danny, relax, like, enjoy the moment. Like, we're waiting in line together. I've gotten much better in my old age, enjoying the moment and not being so, like, having to be so efficient and particular.

And, yeah, I really have. Yeah. I like that. I like that better. So you're saying there are characteristics that you see that you have that one. Did you want another example? Well, what about like parenting? Like when you parent, Stella?

Parenting like very. Do you ever instill the fear in them? Yeah, like don't look over the ledge of that because you'll fall down and die. Yeah. Everything's so extreme. Everything is so extreme. Like I remember I used to tell Danny and Lane and I was like, okay, never put the knives up in the dishwasher because you could slit your wrist and bleed to death. Now, I didn't, I could have

left out the bleed to death part. I could have just said you could cut yourself and hurt yourself, but no, I always went to the extreme to give them the worst case scenario. I always say, this is so horrible now that I think about it. Don't know. Because Stella's like always slamming, like, and I'm always like, you're going to cut your feet, brother's fingers off. It's like, why don't you just say you're going to hurt his fingers? And I'm like, you're going to cut his fingers off. I'm sorry. I ruin. you okay well that that was okay do you have any questions for me um oh lord i so by the way we wrote we have these like uh cards and we thought we would do a little like interview like towards each other

like questions that we always wanted to ask each other um and so i have 13 questions but i'm not going to ask them all 13 i only have five i know i know um okay i'm going to bring up something but i don't know if you're going to want to talk about it so we can cut it out if you don't Okay. Oh, Lord. Okay. Oh, you. Okay. Should we talk about the time that I found out that you were married before? But can I tell the story? Yeah. If you tell it right. No, but I'll tell the story about how I found out. Oh, how you found out. Yeah. And then you can talk about. Okay. Okay. Okay. So my mom's been married before. And I did not know. I was 23, by the way. Okay, so the irony of that is I think I found out, was I 23 when I found out? You were in your 20s. I was in my 20s when I found out that she'd been married before, which, you know, it was so long ago.

It doesn't really matter. But it is a funny, interesting fact to learn about your mother. Like, it is something that is very big that you didn't know. You guys need to understand that your kids are on a need to know basis. And if they don't need to know, they don't need to know. Okay. I mean, I respect that. But it is interesting.

as you get older, you realize that, because you always see your parents in a certain light, and then you get older and you're like, wait a minute. But can I say one thing? Like, they were young at one point, too. Yeah. And they were teenagers at one point, too. Like, they maybe did crazy things too. Oh, if you only knew.

But, okay, full disclosure on the marriage thing, I was only married a year. So it doesn't even really count. I know it. But anyway. Yeah, do you get an annulment if you're only married for a year? I didn't know to do that. I just filed for a year. divorce. It was, it was, it was, it was, it's a long story and it, we ended amicably. It was, yeah,

it was just one of those things. I was young and, um, yeah, no, but it's still interesting. Yeah, it is interesting. You can't like deny it. And we didn't have any kids. It was just, it was just, I don't know why I did it. Probably, well, I do. My parents were really strict and I left the home, so don't be too strict with your kids, because they might go off and get married. Yeah, I get that. Um, but I'll tell you guys this story because it's actually really funny. So, I was in my 20s. I was in college. And I had a one point, years prior, found an ID of my mom.

It said Anna Marie, you know, had a different last name. Yeah. So I, and I, if I'm not mistaken, I think you had a flat chest in it. It wasn't, it was before the boob job. No, because he's the one who gave me the boob job. Okay, so maybe not. Okay, but anyway. Trust me, I had big boobs.

Yeah. So I remember finding that, but that was years prior. That had like nothing really to do with this night that we were hanging out. And I invited my mom. I had gotten like free tickets to the Houston rodeo. So you came into Austin and then we drove to the Houston rodeo. Okay. You probably don't even remember this.

I'm getting there. Okay. So we were hanging out like having a bite to eat before the show started. And we just started talking. And I don't know. Like something came out about the, I was like, yeah, like, you know, I found that ID. Like, you know.

And I just thought I was trying to confront her about having a fake ID. Like I wasn't even. And I go, yeah, like you were married before. And she goes, who told you that? And I was like, oh my gosh. I wasn't quick enough on my feet to go. Oh, no, that's just a fake ID. Yeah.

And I was like, wait, like I was kidding. Like I was kidding about her being married before. And she goes, who told you that? Because you got really serious. And I was like, I go, oh my gosh, maybe I wanted to say. I go, I just lied. I go, you vet. And she goes.

You go, what? You vet told you that? And I just kept playing into it. And I was like, yeah, mom, I know. Like, I know that you were married before. So I literally totally found out by accident. Anyway, a lot of stories right, it's not that big of deal. You can tell the story of that, like how that came to be.

No, it's really nothing. Like I said, my parents were super strict. And it was just, I met this man that was super kind to me, sweet, adored me, he adored me. And, like, I fell for that. You know, I was just like, yeah, like, he's good to me. I should marry this man. How old is he? Um, he wasn't that much older than me, probably like four years older than me. And I was 23. So he was like, so you have a 26 year old doctor. That doesn't sound right. Oh, maybe.

27 year old. Okay, yeah. No, you can't be 27. No, he had just graduated from, he was a dentist. He wasn't, but he was a doctor of dentistry. Yeah. Anyway, long story, how old was he? I was 23 when I got married. So he was probably older. I mean, he was out of, he had just graduated. He had just graduated. He had just graduated from dental school and was starting to practice outside of Houston. Okay. And that's where I moved. But anyway, it was one of those things. And I felt really bad because he was a good man to me.

I just wasn't in love with him. And why did I marry him? I don't know. Probably to get away from home, honestly. Yeah, because so the background of that, my mom was the oldest of five. And your parents both worked like 24-7. So you basically raised. Well, my dad was in the military.

and then, you know, growing up, and then he retired from the military, and then we started a family business, and it became really hectic and crazy. So, yeah, I mean, I was kind of, my childhood was a lot. Didn't your parents, like, take you out of school to work? Oh, yeah. Like, like, middle school. See, I grew up in a different era. You had it really good.

I mean, it's not that my parents were bad to me or mean to me. It's just that in my family, everybody had to pull their own way. Yeah. So, and me being the oldest, I was the one that was usually taken out of school to go work, my family's businesses, and just, we used to travel, do all these shows. And yeah, so I really grew up not going to summer camps. I grew up not hanging out with my friends, probably kept me out of trouble. But then once I got older, like in high school, I was like, okay, I'm over this. Like, I want to go have fun. Yeah. And that's why I decide to get away. And I think that's why I got married. Yeah. And didn't you say that? he also was like atheist and that was the main reason why we didn't stay together was I mean I probably could have stuck it out but he basically came out and told me that he was an atheist and I went oh that's not going to work so I'm like I can't imagine marrying someone and like not knowing that they were like what their like their faith was well because I would say back in those days I was

raised in a Catholic family and we used to go to church like on Christmas and Easter Sunday. So we weren't really religious. Religious. Yeah. I found Jesus later. Yeah. So it was like, yeah, but I just knew in my spirit, I was like, I can't be married to this man who doesn't believe in God.

Like that's not acceptable. Yeah, it's like even if I don't have a faith, like I at least believe a God. And if I'm going to have like kids with this person. Absolutely. At least have some type of faith. Because then you're going to be. stuck with him forever if he had kids. Right. And that was the main thing I started thinking like, I can't have kids with this man. Like I can't be with him. But he was sweet. He was sweet. He was a good

man. He never, he was not a bad person. There was no reason why. Was he married now? Was he married now? No. Ironically, he's been married three times. Wow. And he's still single. But he's really hot. Mom. Oh my gosh. Did you stock him on Facebook? No, I don't stock him. Every now and then something pops up. I don't go there. I mean, that's so long ago. It's not even like. Yeah. No, I don't, that's not even anything I really even think about, honestly. Okay, so then you married him. Is he the one that bought you the boob job? Oh, yeah.

And how come every time that I say that I want a boob job, you're like, no, but you have one? Like, that seems like a little double standard. You have to understand, when I see you in your clothes, you look so adorable. And you can wear the sexiest clothes and not look trashy. Okay. And I'm telling you. Okay, next topic. I get it.

Okay. No, I just think you look amazing. If you want to get it. But wouldn't you say the same thing about you back then? The only reason I got boobs was because of him. He sort of like really encouraged me to do it. And so I, and honest, I'll be real honest, I was very happy with my chest. I was built just like you and my clothes used to fit so cute.

But he wanted to do it and I thought that's what I'm, his big thing was, you're my wife and you should make me happy. Maybe he was controlling. Ew, we don't like that. I think he was got a little controller. I think that's just like a different era too. Like when you were kind of, I don't want to say brainwashed, but like. No, I was. Yeah, like women, like especially if I was in your, if I put myself in your shoes, okay,

I wouldn't say that you like grew up like in poverty or anything like that. But I think it was like, middle class. Like I think it was like hard. You know, you worked. If your parents are pulling you out of school, that's pretty challenging. Like, you know. And so to work. And so I would assume that when you, like, leave and you become of age,

you want someone to take care of you probably. That's why I went with him because he was so good to me and adored me and took care of me. And, you know, he was a doctor. He had a good career. I mean, I married him for all the wrong reasons, to be honest. Yeah, no, I get that. It's a learning. You have to be careful.

But, like, I understand why sometimes women would maybe feel that way. I think it's cool how, like, times have evolved where I feel like there's a little bit more, like, female empowerment and being able to kind of, like, pursue your own, you know, goals and dreams and more equality in the workplace and all these things that, like, you know, women aren't just meant to be here to here and here. It's like, we can dream too type of thing. And so I would imagine back then, though, it's just a different time. And so you would have different challenges, like that.

I think back in those days, too, like the goal was to get married, to have somebody take care of you and then your job was to take care of them and everything else. And the babies and the home. The MRS degree. The husband. Yeah. See, and that's what's so funny about me. I would say growing up, that was my, the M.R.

S degree was my biggest fear in life. Like, and I think it's too, like culturally, like how the conversation was shifting. Yeah. I think like watching movies where women were like stuck in these marriages and didn't have careers or didn't have like equal opportunity. that freeth me out so much that I was like, I never want to depend on anyone except for myself. Yeah.

And it like, it almost, it's kind of funny how like just generationally things like shift. They shift. And I think for the better in most cases, but like for women, like even with me and your dad, like he is very much,

I go to work, I earn the living. You stay home. You take care of the kids. You take care of the home. You take care of me. It's. And so,

and what's crazy is I was so insecure then. Yeah. Why? I don't know. I just was not, I was not secure. Were you insecure in your upbringing or something?

Like your family or your, um, like were you nervous for people like imposter syndrome? Like, because okay, you come from not, probably not going to college. You're pulled out of high school to work.

You're this and this and this. And like, then you're dating, marrying a doctor. Yeah. So like, to be some type of like imposter syndrome you're like how did I end up here yeah I know totally felt that way like but I never felt like I was good enough you know yeah because you're like okay I didn't have

I didn't grow up with a lot of the things that other people grew up with but not that we were poor yeah no no but yeah it was just different like you know being taken out of school being not being confident I wasn't a particularly good student like C student but I was always I was good at what I did, like for the business, selling, talking to people. It was just kind of ironic that when it came to like a mate or a man, I just never felt like I was good enough or qualified enough, so to speak. I don't know. No, I get that.

Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, but I've come a long way since then, baby. Yeah, but I think that's also part of growing up because I think when you are younger, that's very natural to feel like inadequate or not good enough. And then it's like you get older and you're like, wait, why did I care? Like and it's like, why did I let that stop me from, you know, like feeling my best going on a date with this person or like I even sometimes felt like that in like sororities at UT,

which is like, you know, because there's all these different types of families and, especially in Dallas. Like you know Dallas is like. Oh, yeah. There's so much that like it's like keeping up with the Joneses. and I feel like everyone can kind of relate to being young and feeling insecure. You know what the irony of it all is? Every guy ever dated or like was a boyfriend or married.

They were all very successful. Well, it tells me something. They were all doctors. You were out for something. No, I don't know what happened. I wasn't actively looking for that. Isn't that funny? Or maybe.

Maybe subconsciously you were. You just wanted somebody to take care of you with a steady job. that's what I wanted. Somebody to take care of me. Yeah. Yeah. So funny. Yeah.

But then I ended up taking care of everybody. Yeah. Anyway, so let's move on about that. Okay. So who's your favorite child? Oh, I've already told you you're my favorite daughter and Landon's my favorite son. Okay, I have a question for you. So, you know, there's some things I always want.

Is there anything? Okay, I've always been curious about this because I just, I just watched this show called, It's Margaret, hey God, it's me, Margaret. Have you seen that? It's Judy Bloom. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it was so cute because it was in the 70s. It was exactly my era when I was growing up. She was like 12 years old. In the 70s, it was exactly the same things that I went through. And one of the biggest things, there was two things. There was this thing we used to do, because, of course, when I was young, I didn't have boobs. I was like you.

And we used to do this exercise called, we must. We must. We must increase our bus. And I swear, we really thought that that would help. And we did that. And we would take our arms and, you know, bring them in and out. And then the other thing was we stressed out so much worrying about how we were going to kiss a boy someday and how we were going to learn to do that. So my question to you is, who was your first kiss?

And did you know how to kiss? And how did you learn to kiss? Okay. So it's so sad. I like can't remember. like who my first makeout was. But I didn't have that many people. Wait, so you didn't make out, you didn't,

did you make out like in high school? High school, but I was like one of the last girls. Like I was always very late, late to everything. But like my first peck was Jacob Cowan, duh, my Jewish six-grade boyfriend. I loved little, okay, Jacob Cowan was this sweet little Jewish boy. He was adorable, cutest butt as a butt. Now, never forget. He bought Danny for her birthday.

the biggest crystal cross necklace. It was like the scarlet letter A. It was like huge. It was like a medall. His mother told me, she goes, I just want you to know, Jacob picked this out for Danny by himself.

Because he knew that my faith was really important to me, and I knew that his faith was really important to him. Is that the cutest thing ever? He was adorable. And I don't know whatever happened with Jacob. It was so sweet. So I'm thinking like, yeah. So I think it was,

Jacob Cowden was my first, like, peck, you know. Yeah. And then here's the thing. I don't remember who taught me how to kiss, but like I remember whoever it was was really good at it. Oh. So then I,

then because I learned from them, I was really good at it. But I can't remember who it was. Well, okay. Maybe it was Reed. Read plush. Yeah. Mr.

Mr. Best Dressed. So that was technically like my first real boyfriend, wouldn't you say? Besides sixth grade, you know? Yeah. Yeah. My first like real boyfriend. that could like drive.

That was another little boy I really liked. He was so polite. And he went to Jesuit and all boys school. And I just remember thinking, these boys are so polite. And now looking back, I wonder if they were all Eddie Haskell's. I don't know.

So I will tell you. Yeah, I do. Okay. But he, I will say one thing about Reed, he was a good, like, person. He was a good. All of the guys that I,

my boyfriends were all very good people. I think I had like four boyfriends my entire life. But, um, But yeah, so I think Reed maybe is the one who taught me. And, yeah, I don't know. I wasn't like a big, like, maker outer. I know. And I was good at it.

And then you broke his heart by breaking up. He invites you to prom. And that night at prom, I'll never forget, you came home. And he's sitting on the kitchen counter crying because you broke up with him right after. It's really sad. I broke up with him. And then I went straight to bed and he stayed in the kitchen crying. I know, and I had to console him.

So the thing about me too, like, I don't know why, but I was like, if I'm going to date someone, like, I want to be able to marry him. And, like, I just was like, I'm not going to marry you. So this is a waste of time. Yeah. Like, that's why I didn't have a lot of boyfriends because I was very, I was in it for the long run. Do you remember what Lainon did about with Reed for Christmas? Oh, I forgot about that.

Okay, Landon was the crazy. I mean, he picked on his sister like crazy. And one year, Danny had a new boyfriend by then. it was the high school quarterback, and that was your new boy. Oh, yeah, yeah. And so in order to mess with him, Landon, we invited him over for Christmas. Well, Landon cut out 12 pictures of Reed, and he put them all over the house. He hung up in her bedroom.

He hung up in her bedroom. He did the 12 reads of Christmas. The 12 reads of Christmas. And you know we still have those? We still have the pictures. He literally, okay, so he did 12 raids of Christmas all over the house. So when my new boyfriend came over, he had like this big picture of read like hung up in my bedroom like on a window and it was like and then you put in dry erase read

i love you so much please come back to me and that was like read number one and then there's read number two hung up on the on the christmas tree read number three it was like a diary like everywhere oh my gosh he used to pick on you so much yeah i thought that was fun okay do you have any more questions for me um okay so um let's see what makes you angry because I think everyone always sees you on stories and like I wish I had her energy I wish she was happy yeah I mean I wish I was that happy or you know joyful oh first of all I will tell you I'm not always happy but I will tell you I try to be and and usually happy um the one thing I've noticed that I think all of us can really embrace is like to me it's all about what you put out is kind of what you get back

And so when you're, and this has to do with confidence too. It's like whenever you are in a good mood or you walk into a room and you're smiling, I think that just sends out positive vibes. And I will tell you, I get more compliments from people. When I, I could be walking through a grocery store. And if I'm smiling, people. That is one thing that you do very well. You're like, you're like inadvertently nice to everyone.

Yes. And you know what? I always try. And I think you have this same thing. I always try to see the good in people. Yeah. Like I really do. I always try to see the good in them.

Even with sometimes when they're not being nice. I feel like sometimes I hold, you hold it together better than I do whenever people are not being nice. I mean, sometimes I do. Sometimes I'm like, why are you not being nice? The only time I'm ever not nice is if they're mean to my kids. Don't mess with my kids. Yeah.

I'm telling you, that don't, don't mess with Mama Barrier. That's one time. me you come at my kids but like you that is true that you'll you'll like walk into a grocery store or something and like hi hi let's smile everybody when like most people just walk in and they just like look down and they don't acknowledge anyone but you but it's like I don't know what it is but like I always try to like compliment people too because you just never know what they're going through because I know how I feel like I was walking through the grocery store and this this this young girl came up to him she goes oh my gosh you're just so pretty I love what you're where

she just like complimented me and I went, oh my gosh, thank you. You like, you understand. That means everything. I'm going to carry that all day long. But, but you know, just walking in with a smile or having a positive attitude just changes everything. Or even the way that you approach people like an employee or, you know, a server at a restaurant, like even the way that you began talking to them, like you put that out, then they're going

to give it back to you most of the time. Sometimes they don't. But like most of the time. but if you start out the conversation just like not caring or being dull, they're going to probably give that back to you. And so it takes a little bit more energy on the front end, but it's like it means everything to them. It really does.

And so people always say that too. Like they'll go, oh my gosh, you're always so. I wish I had your energy. And I will say I do have a lot of energy. I mean, I just, that's just something that's just in me. But you know, it's something else that I think you do that you probably don't realize is like you, our family is so not into, how do I say this?

You treat everyone like an equal. Like no one in the room is more important than the next person. So you're just as kind to the person cleaning the table than you are to the owner of the restaurant. Absolutely. Yeah. And so I feel like a lot of people, too, are more calculated or, and I think people can like see through that.

And I feel like you treat everyone like they are the owner of the restaurant. You know what? I appreciate you saying that because I, feel that way. It's not I don't purposely consciously do. I just feel that way because nobody is better than the other person. They're all, everybody in my eyes is equal. And maybe that's why I always attracted successful men because I never really treated them any differently. I treated them normally like I would any other guy I dated. Yeah. So just because they were a doctor or a business owner, I mean, I didn't like put them on a pedestal. And I do that with people today also. And,

hopefully, and I think you do too, Danny. And I'm hoping that if anything you could get from me would be. No, I feel as a way like, yeah. Yeah, it's just like natural. I can't even imagine any feeling like someone. Sometimes I'm more intimidated by some people. It's not that I just get more like nervous around them or something, but like I think everyone is equal.

But sometimes somebody makes me nervous or something. I feel like people don't make you nervous. Like if I meet a celebrity or something, like I have to really get in my head and be like you just remember this is just another person and I feel like for you but I think that also comes with age it comes with age it comes with age and I wish if I could say to my younger self-south that if I could have been more like I am now not intimidated not not feeling self-conscious because let's face it when I look back in my younger days I was like why was I so insecure you know it was a lot cuter then you know that type of thing but yeah I just I just think whatever you put out is what you get back

Did you answer what makes you angry? Oh, that's what I was going to tell you. So I think I'm not always happy. Of course not. I will say that when I do get angry, I get frustrated at people that are not kind. Or efficient. Not necessarily, unless it's a work-related, but I haven't worked in so long. Or my dad.

Oh, well, poor. Now, I was going to say, when I get angry, I probably take it out on. probably Mark the most. Yeah. Just because... Well, that's what happens in marriage. I think it's a good thing and it shouldn't be, but it just sometimes happens. You know, sometimes he's just, I think as I've gotten older, you know, he's, your dad is

exactly what I created him to be. I sort of enabled him. And so sometimes when he's not efficient or not capable, I get a little frustrated now. But that's just, that's marriage and that's me. But yeah, what else? I don't like when people are mean to other people. I don't like when they're rude and mean to me for no reason. I'm just saying like if you're going to confront people, do it kindly.

Well, and I agree. And sometimes whenever I get comment, okay, so I think we talked about this, but remember when Hazel got her second hip surgery and I didn't share it online? Because I was like, you know what, I just really don't want to deal with people's like feedback about it or because people only see one side of things. They only see one or two slides about it. I'm, you know, we're having,

like we're taking care of Hazel 24-7, you know? Sure. And so I was like, I'm just not going to go there. Well, of course, so I asked, we were out of town, so I asked you to help watch Hazel. Oh, absolutely. And then, of course, my mom goes on my story. He's like, hi, Hazel had surgery.

And I'm like, Mom, like, I was just trying not to go there online just to, like, protect my peace for a second, you know? But why would people even attack you for that? No, no, but listen, so I didn't finish. So then, so then, And, you know, after her surgery, when she was finally, like, you helped us while we were out of town. Sure.

And, you know, she was still, she had just gotten hip surgery. I was happy to do it. I wanted to. Right, right. And so after that, Hazel was kind of like limping around for a little bit because she had hip surgery. Like, you're going to naturally not be, you know. Sure. She's totally fine now.

But, you know, I was getting so many DMs and people popping off about, oh, Danny doesn't take care of that dog. She ponder after her parents to take care of her. And there were so many things like I wanted to say back. And I think honestly, I might have. I might have replied to a couple. But what always helped me is I would write it out. Yeah. Like just type it out and then I would delete it.

Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes that helps. So sometimes I'm therapy. You were talking about what makes me angry. That those type of things make me angry. And I get it. You put yourself out there and people are going to have their opinions.

But like something like that, clearly she's your dog. clearly I'm the grandmother so I can watch as a matter of fact I wanted to and Bella loved having her around and I love taking care of her and I just enjoyed it and so why anybody would care of or like try to make you feel bad about that is beyond me and then the other thing is like when you when they say mean things to you that are so unwarranted they don't really know you they know you but they yeah you know when they attack you for being a mother or whatever it is I'm just like really people. But you know what I always think? I always feel the people that do that are hurting. I always, and that's what you have to look at it. It's like they're hurting because hurt people, hurt others. Because it really makes no sense for somebody to come after you for something that they

really see like two seconds every life. Right. So anyway, that's another thing that does make me angry. I was going to ask you something else about that. Oh, do you want to ask you what makes me angry? Yes. Oh, gosh. I know it made you angry before.

It's like when I give you unsolicited advice. I mean, not so much or more because I don't do that anymore. Yeah, I mean, I think that's, it's, yeah. I try not to anyway. Yeah. Okay. What makes you angry? I think, I think something that makes me angrier as I get older.

I think how I just feel like everything becomes politicized and I just feel like it doesn't have to be. No, but like, I don't, we don't have to get into the nitty gritty. things. Yeah. But I think something that just frustrates me is like, I feel like everything is politicized now when it doesn't have to be like when and I get like upset about this. Like I truly get upset because I'm like two things can be right.

Like two conversations can be right. And this can be an and conversation, not a but conversation. Like, you know, it can, we can both agree. And I just feel like now it's just so hard for people to agree on anything. And I'm like. Or you can agree to disagree. Yeah, but, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know, just everything is like you either have to be here or here.

You have to have a label whenever I'm like, wait, I'm actually kind of like in the middle about this or I actually don't know just yet. And so I don't know. That just makes me angry because I feel like it happens more and more on social media. And it was funny. Everybody was like laughing about, have you heard about threads? Do you know what that is? No. It's like, so Instagram came out with a competitor called threads and to Twitter.

It's a competitor Twitter. So it's basically like Twitter, but for Instagram. Oh, I heard about this where it has a picture and like a Twitter thing. Yeah, it's basically like Twitter, but for Instagram. And it's so funny because it's like the first couple of days that it launched, everybody's getting along so well. Oh, no. Everybody's like, what's your favorite pizza?

Or it's like, what movie should I watch? And it's only like, it just give a little bit of time and everything starts to become. Negative, political? Yeah, political or so defensive or so angry or, And I get it because people want, I think at the end of the day, everyone's coming from a place where they just want justice. I think everybody wants justice and they want to feel like they're helping achieve justice. And so, but I just think sometimes through social media, it's just you're doing, you're going about it the wrong way. I don't think people want justice.

Honestly, I just think everybody wants to have a platform to say what they feel. And honestly, because they want justice in their eyes. They want to feel like they're, they want to feel like they're, they want to feel like they're right. Like their opinion is the right opinion. Yeah. And yeah, I guess so. I guess you can call it justice. But I don't know.

I think that's just the way the world's become. And it's really... And I think it's always been like that. It's just now so much in our face. Everybody can hear it. You know, before people were thinking it and now everybody can hear it. But, you know, the way I look at things like that, I always like to see both sides of the story or both sides of the issue and then make a good

opinion. Yeah, but how do you find both sides of the issue now? How do you even educate yourself enough to know what's truth and what's not true? So I remember like, you know, people like back in the day, like they were watching the news, like they'd watch Fox News or CNN and was like if you're just watching one of those news, not that you can't even trust them anymore, but then you're only getting that side of the story. So why don't you watch both and see what both sides are saying? But even then, these days, with all misinformation and AI, I'm freaking out with all that stuff. So we don't want to even go down that route. Yeah. Okay. That's like one thing that I've noticed. Like, I'm like, am I becoming that like,

like the old lady, the bitter old lady because I'm like now everything is just, I'm like more cynical. I don't know. That's what I hope that society is not becoming. Yeah. Don't become like me. Don't become cynical. Period. Um, okay, I have a question. What is, what was your first impression of Jordan? Oh my gosh. Okay. So you have to understand. Danny. when she dated, this is like in high school when I used, she had a certain type. I would say Reed was sort of out of your. Not physical though. All my boyfriends were very different looking.

I think you had this type of guy. Okay, you had me. You did. Reed was kind of the more GQ looking dude. No, but he was still like a big athlete type of. No, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how they all had this sort of, I don't want to like offend any of these guys but they kind of had big goofy guys

big goofy sort of big like overgrown boy guys yeah like just like big well okay I was young so they're they were but you know what you never really went for the GQ pretty boy types is what I'm saying and not that these guys were unattractive but they were never your pretty boy at all football player like man like like like like like like linebacker type of football player. They were just a very average looking guys. They were usually big looks just didn't really matter to me. No, they really didn't. But you had this type that you really liked.

And so oh my gosh, when I first met Jordan, first of all, you all have to understand. Wait, do you think he was my type? Not really. Absolutely. Oh, you did? Oh, physically he was your type. Really? When he showed up in that sports coat with those khaki pants and he was about he was about

180 pounds. He wasn't big. He was not overweight by any. But for his height, he was not, but I always liked him a little chunky. He was a beefy. Yes, she did. She liked beefy guys. That's the best way to describe it.

They weren't. They weren't, they were beefy. Because I like, I just liked a man. Yeah, I like something to hold it. I don't do. Like, if they would have grown a beard, they could have been mountain men. But anyway, so I remember meeting him and you have to understand. though, I've been praying for Danny's husband since she was a baby, for both my kids.

I always prayed that, you know, God would send her a man that would love her, respect her, admire her, and that she would feel the same towards him. And honestly, Jordan was answered to my prayers. He is the best man I think Danny could have ever married. and I just think he's adorable. He's gotten even more handsome, but not that he wasn't before, but he used to...

It was definitely an investment. Okay, he was one of those... Okay, we used to laugh because Dad and Landon made fun of Jordan because they used to call him sport coat. Do you remember that? Because every time we went out, Jordan would show up, no matter where we went,

he always had his little sport coat on with his khaki pants, and he was just... It's so true. adorable. I thought we'd be working from home and he would put on a sport. Oh yeah, he was always, like the guy's never without a pair of shoes. I don't think I've ever seen his feet. He's gotten way more casual now, but when we first started dating, he wore, we'd go to the park. He'd have a jacket on. Like, I think he just made him feel good. And I don't know. I think Jordan, I love, I love the kind of man that he is. I love the kind of father he is. I love that he really, he is to me,

like what a man should be. Like he wants to work on his marriage. He, you know, I wouldn't say he enjoys going to counseling, but he, you know, he feels like it's a part of what he needs to do to maintain a healthy relationship. And the other part I love is that he wants to keep our family together. And I'm talking like us as parents, we're now extended family, right? Yeah. Even though some parents don't see it that way.

They see it like, oh, no, they're coming. into our family. No, we're coming into your family because you guys are creating your own family. So I love that he includes that and wants to keep our families together and wants us to stay close and I love that about him. Yeah, he's very much like a patriarch. Yes, yes. Like he's very, like I think that he's one of those people that if you actually really get to know him, you'll respect him a lot. Oh, totally. Like in, you know, for the outside looking in, he's kind of harder to get to know because, I don't know, but like, when you really are around us and you see all the things that he does behind the scenes,

oh yeah. You can't not respect him. No. I have total respect for him. He's like a very good father figure. And you know, he's a very good father figure. He's a good husband. He's very patient.

He's loving. He reminds me a lot of Landon. Now, not in all characteristics just yet, because Landon is not a father or a husband. but Landon and him, they both love to learn. Yeah. And I love that about it. I think they have similar interests. They do.

I don't think they're similar in character. No, they're not. They're different. But interest, yes. In interest, like, they both know a lot about everything. Everything. They're constantly reading, learning. Self-helping, not so much self-help books, but in some way.

But, like, learning about the world, economy, marriage, raising children. He knows a little bit about everything. It doesn't matter what industry you're in. If you're a chef, if you're a police officer, if you're an attorney, if you're, he's going to be able to carry out like a full on conversation with you

because he reads so much. He's a great guy and I will tell you my first impression was he was adorable and the more I've gotten to know him, I just love him and he's like one of ours. Okay. Let's see. A couple more questions. Actually, you asked me something because I actually just asked you two or three.

Okay, well, let me see here. Okay, I have a question. You know, I mean, I always think about, like, what kind of mother I was. I felt like I was a really strict mother growing up. And I just wonder like... I don't think you were strict at all. Really? I mean, yes, you were strict, but not...

I wouldn't be like, my parents were so strict. I just wonder, like, how... you perceive me as a mother and and then fast forward like I would love to know how you could how you could advise me to be a better grandmother to Stella and Stratton like what do you expect from me as a grandmother when you're when it comes to your kids because I feel like like I look at my mom and my mom is totally like I look at Mark's mom and my mom Mark's mom is a serving mother okay yeah she has she fits that all school stereotype of the men goes off and does a job and I stay home and trust me that's a very

tough job what goy does or what goy did like having it she raised three kids basically on her own right you know so that's very respectable but she is more so like she did everything for them she's a subservient type person she loves to do for others now my mother also I I consider the fact that she raised five kids on her own because my dad was always gone he was in the military and my dad was just not helpful he wasn't helpful with the kids so i can only imagine you know five kids and i the reason i can imagine and no is because i was the oldest so i was like the second mother so my poor mom went through a lot so what was what you saying no so what i was saying with her her outlook in life now as a grandmother is she expects us to cater to her because she catered to us.

So it's really kind of a different. Glowie's different. And then my, and so. What was the first part of your question, though? No, we were asking about how I could be a better grandmother to Stella. No, no. There was. Oh, the first one was like, did you think I was a strict mom?

And like what, like, how did you perceive me as a mom growing up? Yeah. So, did I do a good job or not? So you really just want affirmation? Yes. Of course. I mean, I would love to know because I feel like, I mean, I can perceive it one way. I feel like I did a pretty good job because I think you guys are amazing. I mean, with God's help, it wasn't just me. Trust me. A lot of praying.

Yeah. Okay. So I don't think that y'all were super strict or anything. I think you had like high expectations of us. But like I said, I mean, I feel like, I feel like so much of what your kids do is innate in them. And then I think, think that there's like an extra 20% that's like encouraged by your parents you know and so did you feel like I encouraged you and everything you did yeah I feel like I did I feel like I always supported you and tried to I just remember oh my gosh you'd come to me I'm running for a class president now I'm running for this and I was like oh my gosh but like look at look at how different landed and I were but you parented us pretty much the same and so that's another thing like landed wasn't like

that. He is ambitious and everything, but like I was like next level. Like had to be class president every year. I had to like make, I had to make the honor roll. I had to make straight A's or even above like very competitive. And Landon was too. No, I think you both were the same and I'll tell you why. I think you both had the same ambition and drive. The difference was you had to be a part of everything. You always had to be in everything. And Landon wanted to be good at one thing. And that's where he put his music and that's where he put it. That's true. That's true. So I think you were both the same. You just had different personality types. Lannon was not the life of the party. He was not, and I'm not saying that you were either, but like you were very outgoing. He was not. He was a homebody.

So I think you're both are very much the same. You're both very driven. You're both. I think you have good moral values. Yeah. And then go back to the grandma question. Yeah. How can I be a better grandma? Because I found myself. Anyway, you tell me. What do you think? I don't know. I feel like I'm still trying to figure it out. I'm so worried about my parenting.

I'm not really thinking about your grandparenting, to be totally honest. I remember, okay, Danny early on would get upset because whenever I would come over, Stella would completely ignore her. Well, Stella was really mean to me when you were around. Yeah, she was really mean. And it wasn't, I don't feel like it was anything I was doing. As a matter of fact, whenever she wouldn't be nice to you, I wouldn't get upset with you. I would get upset in general. I know.

But I think now you realize it was very common and normal for her to do that. And I always try to be very conscientious whenever she's not being kind to you. But she's not really does. She doesn't do that so much anymore. She really doesn't. I feel like as she's gotten older and like I think. She's mean to me now sometimes. Oh my God.

The tables have turned. Stella is, she's a tough cookie. Like, I mean, she's so sweet and so smart and independent. But like I don't feel like she's your typical two-year-old. No. Like, she's really, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, challenging for me, because I'm trying to figure out the best way to parent her, because she is so independent and she can be kind of mean, like, but not mean.

She's not, like, maliciously mean, but she's so independent that she's, like, leave me alone. Yeah. Which I'm like, but she's too. And so, like, I do think that they grow out of these things and you have to remember, like she's, she looks and acts like a four-year-old, so I get confused. But, Danny, you were just like that. That's what you don't understand.

You were very much like Stella. you were very independent. You wanted to do it yourself. You didn't like people to tell you what to do. And when you weren't in the mood to do it, you weren't going to do it. So I think that comes with age and stuff. But I think Stella, I don't know. I think she's pretty amazing.

I think she's pretty amazing if it might say so myself. She is just like, I see those whenever, do you have you ever noticed when you talk to her? And she looks at you intently. Like she's just like thinking and figuring it out, processing it in her brain. and then you'll either see her react to it or she'll be like, I'm over it. Yeah.

Anyway. It's really sweet. But anyway, we kind of went over our time. We've been talking for an hour and 12 minutes. Oh, I could go on forever. This is good therapy. Yeah. So, yeah, I hope that y'all enjoyed this episode.

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