De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - AI, Antidepressants & Grandma Hobbies

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

This week, Dani and Jordan are catching up on everything from Dani finally getting back into working out six months postpartum to a very real conversation about SSRIs, anxiety, and what happens when you try to come off medication too quickly. Then we get into the internet rabbit holes: the man who allegedly spent years pretending to be a San Francisco 49ers player and scammed 26 women out of more than $1 million, AI agents that are starting to sound a little too much like the plot of a sci-fi movie, and why everyone suddenly seems to be trading screen time for sourdough, sewing, and embroidery. Plus, Dani and Jordan talk about how life has shifted since moving to Nashville, redefining what “success” actually looks like, and why being surrounded by people who value faith, family, and fruitfulness over achievements has been surprisingly challenging — in the best way. It’s internet chaos, life updates, a few rabbit holes, and some unexpectedly deep thoughts. Basically… a very De-Influenced episode. Thank you to our sponsors: Quince Find the fall pieces you’ll reach for most at Quince. Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers, or go to ⁠Quince.com/dani⁠. Get free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK, too.Monarch MoneyWrite your own money story with Monarch. Use code DANI at ⁠Monarch.com⁠ to get your first year of Monarch Core half off at just $50. That's 50% off your first year at ⁠Monarch.com⁠ with code DANI.WayfairTransform your space with pieces that hold up to real life. Join Wayfair Rewards today and get five percent back on every purchase. Head to ⁠Wayfair.com⁠ or shop the Wayfair app for all things home.Hiya HealthWe've worked out a special deal with Hiya. Receive 50% off your first order on any of their products. To claim this deal you must go to ⁠hiyahealth.com/DANIAUSTIN⁠. This deal is not available on their regular website. Go to ⁠hiyahealth.com/DANIAUSTIN⁠ and get your kids the full-body support they deserve.OgeeThanks to today’s sponsor, Ogee: A higher standard for beauty. Go to ⁠ogee.com/DANI⁠ and use code DANI to get 20% off certified organic makeup that performs like luxury. Or visit ⁠Sephora.com⁠, search Ogee, and shop the Crystal Contour Collection today.Our Place Upgrade your kitchen with Our Place today. Visit ⁠fromourplace.com/DANI⁠ and use code DANI for 10% off sitewide. With a 100-day trial, you can try it completely risk-free.Instant Hydration For a better way to stay hydrated, go to ⁠INSTANTHYDRATION.COM/DEINFLUENCED⁠ and use my promo code DEINFLUENCED for over 40% off your first subscription order - it’s Instant Hydration’s best offer available. (edited)  CHAPTERS: 00:00 Dani Is Back 01:40 6 Months Postpartum + Working Out Again 04:45 Dani’s Honest Experience With SSRIs & Lexapro 10:30 Jordan’s Experience With Zoloft 15:00 Getting Back in Shape After 4 Babies [~18:00] Lindsay Clancy Case Update 29:00 The Fake San Francisco 49ers Player Scam 32:00 How Social Media Makes Scams Look Real 38:40 The AI Story That Terrified Us 42:00 Could AI Become Conscious? 44:30 Why “Grandma Hobbies” Are Making a Comeback 47:00 Redefining Success, Faith & Productivity 53:00 Dani’s New Embroidery Obsession 56:00 Dani Is Entering Her Horse Girl Era58:00 SSRIs, Emotion & Who We Become Produced by ⁠Dear Media Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. De-influence. Danny is back, baby. I'm on a hoi. Guys, it's the endorphine high. And I don't know why I didn't start working out sooner, but it feels good to be alive. Yeah. The only challenge, you know, I know that you've known that this is how it would feel. I know. I'm like, why did I not? So I'm technically like six months postpartum, but I also basically didn't work out like through my whole pregnancy. I think. I did like halfway. So I really haven't worked out in like probably nine or ten months. Right. That's crazy.

That's the longest break I've ever taken in my life. Yeah. And I mean, you were coming off a pregnancy right after that or right before that too. Yeah, but you know what? I was just like, eff it. I'm over this. I know. Workouts were not getting me excited.

Everything was so painful. So I was just like and then, you know, I thought, oh, I'm postpartum. I'll get back into it. And I was like, you know, no, I'm not. And it was like, it was a precarious position. for me to be in because I can't like I don't want to tell you to work out because like I think you look great and you're amazing and I don't want you to interpret but you were so tired yeah and I was like like it's kind of the death spiral where it's like you're so tired so then you

drink an energy drink which makes you feel worse and then you're just like I don't have the energy to work out so and then you're like if I just get a nap but that makes you more tired and so it's like it's like where do I begin you know it's like what gym am I going to go to I don't remember the movements I'm so inflexible everything hurts like what am I So then I would like try to go on a run and I'd be like that this is hard. You know, like so I just, then my friend Bridget invited me to her workout class and I thought, you know what? I'm going to do it.

Yeah. Now it's pretty intense. It's a pretty intense workout group. These, these people are actually fit. It's like, it's not like CrossFit, but it's like the type of. It's like maybe a step below. It's, yeah, I wouldn't even say it's step below. Like it's a little bit, like I would say it's like safer than CrossFit, but it's like people that are crossfiters are.

very in shape and people that do this workout are very in shape. Does that make sense? And so I am by far the worst one, but like I literally don't care. I'm like just so proud that I'm there. You know, and I'm like I can't do like half the things that other people do and I do people do 20 weights. I do five pounds weights. I'm like don't care like I'm just proud I'm here like did you have four babies in five years. Yeah. No. Ask them. No. Ask them if they ever give you a look. You ask them that. I'm like oh did you and like you know I always bring it up to rub it in their faces because I'm like oh sorry. I just had four babies in five years. I'm postpartum. Sorry. Sorry. I can't do it. And then they're like, she's so brave. No, no. I'm just kidding. I don't bring it up. But, well, I mean, sometimes I do.

But yeah, it's just been, I'm so happy that I did. Like, I don't even need an energy drink anymore. No. I'm like, if I had an energy drink, I would explode from the amount of energy I have. Like, I don't need it. I don't want it. I sleep great. Like, life is good. Like, I'm just so happy. It's marvelous. It's crazy. I know. I was on the phone with my psychiatrist last week. My reproductive. your psychiatrist before I started working out or maybe it was like the day that I started. I've only been working out for like a week now. Right. Maybe a little bit longer. And I was like, things are going downhill. Yeah.

Doc. Like save me. And she was like, okay, let's up one of your prescriptions. And that just didn't sit right with me. Right. So then Theo Vaughn, crazy enough, released a video or a podcast with this like, she's an expert in weaning off of. SSRIs or like antidepressants and and um she talks about just like how dangerous it can be how like you have to do it the right way what does she say to do i mean it's just very it's like extremely

like long term uh small increments yeah but they don't sell so they they the way that they make like lexapro she specifically was talking about luxurro so me and theobon are on the same medication and what's so frustrating about like a lot of these prescriptions or all these drugs that doctors put like, you know, put you on. It's like, yes, they're super helpful, but they never tell you, like, how you can get off of them or the dangers of getting off of them and what that's going to look like and will you ever get off of them. And I agree with the Yovine, like, sometimes I am, I remember with Stella whenever we did

sleep training, we did the Ferber method, which was like the cry it out method. And like, I remember feeling kind of like nothing when she cried. And that made me upset, like that I was like, she was crying and I, and like, I was like, she's fine. Like, she's not going to, you know, I was just very logical. like, guys, she's fine. She's safe. Now, now I do feel like a little bit more like emotion,

like whenever, you know, Smith is crying, like, oh, like, you know. But I feel like there's even like another layer to me that like I would like to be able to access that's like and I'm a little scared to access it because I do think it's like way more like sensitive. And I think that SSRIs like kind of do

numb me from like a lot of those feelings sometimes. And that's why Theo feels the same way. And he's like, I'm scared to get married. or make all these big life decisions whenever I'm on this medication. Because like what if I get off of it and that's not really who I am or what I wanted. Yeah. And I relate to that a lot because I'm like, yeah. And so, and I just remember like I just feel like I used to cry a lot more.

Like happy cries, movie cries. And it just takes a lot for me to feel now. And so anyway, she recommended I go up on my medication and I was like, that just doesn't feel right. And so I was like, maybe I'll just start working. out, you know, and it's like obviously, like, it's like, eat a balanced diet, work out, you know, get outside. And like, it's like, I don't want to. What? Of lexopro.

20. 20? Yeah, I think it's a max. So, okay. But you can, doctors can prescribe you over that. But so anyway, this doctor, or she's actually not a doctor, sorry. She is, she just talked about her experience how she was like on like five, you know, medications at once and it just was like not herself anymore and how she had to get off of all these drugs.

And so anyway, the way that you titrate off of them, but very slowly. So like super so like it could take you a whole year to go down 10 milligrams on Lexpro or something. That's crazy. Yeah. So I don't. Do they even make the pills and those sizes? So they don't. And so that's why she's like there's all these forums online of like people like literally,

um, weighing the pill to make sure that it's like a seven. milligrams instead of 10 milligrams or five milligrams is it and so what she was talking about is RFK is is trying to essentially put into play a that doctors have to also have a plan for you getting off of the medications that they prescribe 100% yeah and they don't have anything like that actually never thought about this this is so fascinating yeah so and if you ask doctors like if you ask any doctor, like even if I ask my own doctor, they're like, you need to be on them. Like, the reason why you're on them is because you need to be on them. And like, there's never a plan for really getting off. And so, and I'm not in the place where I want to get off. Like, I just feel like. Yeah. Where are you?

Where is Theo at with it? So another thing is the hardest part of getting off is not, um, it's not like if you take like 50 milligrams of Luxapro, which I think that's outrageous. I don't think people do that. But let's just say, the hardest part is not going from 50 to 10. It's going from 10 to 0. Really? So like if I wanted to get back to 10, that wouldn't be probably the issue. It would be when I try to go from 10 to zero. So you don't want to get off them long term?

Because isn't there, I've actually tried to research this like the long term effects, specifically on females for SSRIs. You know who talks about this a lot is Alex Clark. Yeah. So like a lot of people can like completely lose their like. sex drive or like nothing will ever make them happy there's like a lot of testimonies it's like a numbness it's like a numbness and a lot of people have like no um they're like not attracted to anything yeah if you go like too high no I don't think it's about going too high I think it's just like a

reaction like for long term use of them I don't even know if it's long term use I think I mean probably so what does thea want to do does he want to get off he's tried to get off of him I think he said like times and he just had to go back on them. I don't be honest and I didn't plan I was talking about this day but I um so we went through like a really hard work season like late last year and so I started taking cetroline such a lean because I was like feeling such bad anxiety like I couldn't sleep like it wasn't panic attack level but it was like really high stress and I've always like I've kind of gone since college gone off and on, but I try and treat it as like seasonal when it's like a high pressure season. And so I started last year.

And I just take one, but I want to say it's 100 milligrams. Does that not make sense? No, that makes sense. They're all different. Yeah. So like Lexa Pro is like goes up. I think it's 100. It's like one pill.

And it like kind of got me over the hump. And so actually, ironically, like last week or two weeks ago, I tried to like just start taking 50 because I was like, I don't want to be on this. You need to be really careful with how you tied you. No, and I felt terrible. Yeah. I felt horrible. Yeah, like lethargic, exhausted.

No point. Don't care. Like, don't care. Um, I will say, you know, and I don't feel like I usually have a problem in this area, but like sex drive spiked pretty hard, pretty fast. So I was like, oh, whoa. Um, like almost to the point where it was like, this could be a problem. So I was like, maybe I should take. It was very enlightening because I've always like wanted to to take like TRT or like test

not do this. Your testes are just fine. Let me tell you. Yeah. And so but I felt terrible. Well so then I started researching it and I basically realized that I went down too fast. So like I should have gone. So then I was like okay well the next time I go through this prescription I'll just try and like

ask for different size pills and like that literally was my strategy. And now you're telling me like you can't even do that. Which is so corrupt and so crazy, but like also not crazy like after how much we've seen from like big pharma. Why would the pharmaceutical companies want you to get off of their meds? No, but they don't want to give you any way to get off of it. But like, titrate off of a medication. Think about the downside effects of this like for society.

Okay. If you're telling me that SSRI like remove sex drive, okay, well, we're in a birth rate crisis. Like you can't tell me there's no attributing factor to that. Like they take away like. Your empathy sometimes. The dating to marriage cycle, like, you know, people getting married and like kind of feeling numb. Gen Z, you always read about like how they have, they're like not having sex. They're like not doing any of this stuff.

Yeah, that's why they're not drinking. It's because they're all on SSRI. It's straight up from SSRI and GLP ones. Like it's like no one has anything left because the GLP ones are taking away like desire, which is honestly good. Like, I mean, if someone's struggling with like alcohol. alcoholism or addiction. Like great, GLP wants help with that. But we're kind of doping ourselves to death in a lot of ways. No, it says one in nine people these days are on SSRIs. But I think the- thought it was higher. Well, the craziest part, though, I think it's like the number of children,

the percentage that has spiked. I remember them talking about that. Because they're all anxiety, anxious from social media. And it's kind of like the riddlin of this generation. Oh, I'm sorry. Now it's one in five people. Yeah, I was going to say that seemed really low. Yeah. So Cetraline is Zolaf, just so you know. So when people talk about Zolaf, that's what you're on. Is that like anti-anxiety or is that depression? That's an SSRI. It's the same thing that I'm on.

Yeah. I'm on, you're on Zolaf. I'm on Lexaprox. I just was really, I was just struggling with like horrible like anxiety. You remember when I came to you? Yeah. I came to you and I was like, hey, like I am dealing. But it helps, right?

And you took it and then you're like, it helps. It helped a lot. But I actually think I'm like at the point of diminishing returns. and if I went to a doctor, I know that they'd be like, we need to up your dosage. And that's why I like don't want to. Well, I think her point on the podcast was like,

try everything else first. It's kind of like, you know, I've always been like, or it's like people that want to get a tummy tuck. It's like you should try everything first before you just jump into the tummy tuck, you know? So yeah, like, and I knew for a fact, I was like, I need to work out. I need to eat healthy. I knew that it was going to come to this.

I just needed a little kickstart. Your case is so hard though, babe, because you've been pregnant for six years. Yeah, it's really hard to get in a rhythm of feeling good about yourself and like building up muscle and building up something to like just have it be destroyed like all over again from a pregnancy. And so it's just like very it's very discouraging. Like I haven't been able to like build on my myself because I'll get like really fit. And then I'm like I gain like 70 pounds. And then I'm like this is all over again. So it just got to a point.

where I was like, why am I going to work out and do this, all this hard work when I'm just going to sit here and just wait until I kickstart again. Now I, I'm so hard because the longer that that spirals down. So now I'm like, I'm probably the most out of shape I've ever been in my whole life. And I'm like actually not kidding. And because in everybody that hears that is like, especially people that know me, they're like, oh, sure, whatever. And I'm like, no, actually. Like I could not run a mile right now. I've never not been able to run a mile in my life. I'm the worst one in the class. Like everyone's doing like 20 pound weights. I have to do a five pound weight. Like I'm just so out of shape. And so it is these are, this is like my punishment

for taking off so much time. But yeah, it's fine. But yeah, I can already feel, you know, whose energy you feel like right now? Your mother. Oh, really? You've got the tornado. And I'm doing my embroidery machine. You got the tornado energy and you're just like a little like when we first got married. Do you remember like what we would fight about? We would fight because you would pop out of bed and then you would just already have like this laundry list of task in your head you were like let's do this let's do this and i was not used to that energy and what we would fight about the most is i was like can you just like please give me some type of like affection before you are gone for the rest of the day and it was not personal it was just like you you were like energizer bunny sees the day

yeah just every day's a brand new day i feel that way and i didn't up my medication i just started working out. I know. It changed everything. I don't want to make this a habit because I do feel like we talk about your cycle almost every podcast. But do you think that this has anything to do with you? Oh, that too probably. Oh my gosh. I always forget about that. Because I told you, I try and remind you because I said, you know, I am still on it. But like, but you're in the reconstructing phase. Yeah, that is so true. That was another reason I didn't up the medication because I was like, maybe it is because I'm about to start my period. And it could have been because I knapped for three days straight and I was like I'm depressed I'm going back down. Can we just like can we just like

just start remembering that this happens like every month you can remind me. Okay fine but I don't feel like you like you like speaking of health let's talk about your foot. Yeah I'm I'm disabled we can talk about it so yeah why why are you in the boot Jordan well I I dropped a weight on my foot it was like 115 pounds. Was it really 115 pounds no do you remember it was it was a five pound right no it's like 10 but um and honestly it healed and also a lot of people in your comments are saying i'm like stratton because like they think i'm like milking this for attention and i'm honestly like i'm like fair fair um but no i dropped a weight on my foot and um stratton in the chippoli line like stood on my foot

and it wasn't like painful or anything he weighs like 30 pounds he weighs like 30 pounds but it it for some reason like inflamed it and I also was like trying to walk like 12,000 steps a day last week and so you went on a hike as well and I went on a hike with Stratton and so I feel like something in there like what it feels like is it doesn't feel like anything's broken it feels really inflamed like it feels like it's on fire and I can't really walk on it that well and so I finally got this boot and I was like maybe if I'll stay if I stay off of it it'll get better did you forget oh you did get an x-ray of your foot yeah and there was nothing there was nothing broken And so you called it a stress fracture.

Oh, I don't know. I don't think it's a fracture. I don't know what it could be. You should maybe get another x-ray. Well, you remember he was like, we can do this machine, but like you probably should go to an orthopedic and I was like, I think at this point you probably should go see someone because like, especially if it didn't heal over time.

So I broke my toe 10 years ago. And if I walk like 15,000 steps in one day, it will hurt. And it will hurt, like it will get worse and worse and worse unless I just take all the time off. Yeah, I. And I broke it 10 years ago and it still hurts. Still does that. Still. Yeah, I was going to try that like BPC 157.

Yeah. Oh my gosh. Can you inject it into your foot? I don't know. I should probably talk to a doctor. Yeah. See what happens. Swinging.

Maybe I should start taking some of that. Now that I'm like working out. Yeah. You need recovery? I mean, probably. I'm so sore all the time. You want the Wolverine Stark? Will it help me get more jacked?

Well, the part of it, I think, releases like growth hormones. Ooh, is that, what is that? No, it'll, like, help with muscle. Like, I think minimal. But most people take it, like, is mostly for recovery and energy. I want that one for my skin, too. Yeah. Yeah, so we're just all messed up over here.

Yeah. Yeah, and I couldn't find my contacts this morning, which is why I'm wearing glasses. Oh. Do you like my glasses? Of course. I think you look so handsome. Should we talk about? Yeah, I know you want to talk.

I've got some, I had a really couple interesting things I found this week. Oh, do you want to start with those or should we go Lansy Clancy? You decide. Maybe you start. I mean, I guess we could just talk. Let's just do a little update of the Lindsay Clancy case. I mean, by the time that everybody. I actually have not been following, so it would be helpful for me to understand.

Okay. So I believe it was just ruled a mistrial like an hour ago. And from what I've gathered, and let me tell you, I'm no lawyer here. Okay. But there was one juror that was just like was not following the law essentially. And even though there was reasonable doubt, he refused to vote that way. And so he still was saying that like she was, I guess, I guess he couldn't make a decision. I don't know.

Why would that be against the law? for him to have an opinion. Because if you have any reasonable doubt, like if you think, even if you're like 99.9% sure that she did it, but there's like that 0.01%? No, sorry, just 0.1. And sorry, are we talking about if she killed her kids?

Or are we talking about if she was insane when she did it? Right. So Jenny said, our producer said that at first they have to vote like whether she did it. If there's reasonable doubt that she did it at all. And so Jenny also told us that on his phone, he searched the things that that was wrong. No, that wasn't Jenny. That wasn't Jenny.

No, she, I was on the phone. She told us that. Okay. Well, 11 out of 11 jurors, I believe. I don't know if it was, how many jurors do they have 12? I think 11. Okay. So one out of the 11 jurors, like everybody voted.

No, I think it's 12. So 11 people voted that there was reasonable doubt. You can't have 12 because that would be an even number, right? Okay. 11. So then 10 people voted that there was reasonable doubt and one was like, I believe there's reasonable doubt, but I'm not going to vote that way. Okay. So he was basically breaking the law because if there's any reasonable doubt at all, 0.01% like uncertainty, you have to vote that she is acquitted, right? Right. And he refused. So there was a mistrial. And now he has an hour to go

to go present his case to like the Senate or something. the Senate. So. It's so funny. Like I did government and economics online. And I feel like I just like spark noted my way through that class. Like I don't remember anything. For sure.

It's also. Yeah, I know. I get it. I'm with you on that one. So. So what does a mistrial mean? That doesn't mean she's let off the hook, right? They have to do the whole trial all over again.

So the question is, is like, why wouldn't, the judge just remove the one person that's like not complying. No, I don't know. I think it's just the way that the law works. So is, is, is her defense,

is it a public defender? Surely not, right? The, she's paying him. Oh yeah, she's paying him. How's she paying him? Were they,

did they come from means or? I don't know. Yeah. Do you think that lawyers sometimes take on these really public cases, like discount, Probably. Yeah, probably something like that. Maybe because there's like high. High profile. High profile. I know that he did a go fund me and raised like a million dollars. Yeah. It's a, this whole situation is pretty messed up. Just in general. It's like, yeah. It's just pretty messed up. It's really sad. It's really hard because it's going to set like a precedent, right? I don't really understand what the argument is. Like I've heard some people. The argument is in what, so basically. If she did it or not, the argument is, was she insane when she did it?

Was she in psychosis? Yes. So her, what she says is that she like, for 18 minutes was like hearing voices, couldn't control herself. It was like something else came over her for 18 minutes. That sounds like a demon. Yeah. But some would call it psychosis.

And so, you know, that does happen to people. Like a lot of, there's women that go to like recovery centers because. They literally believe that, like, their son is Mickey Mouse. Like, you know. And so these women do go into psychosis, but typically when they go into psychosis, it's not for 18 minutes. They're in psychosis for two weeks, two months, whatever. So that's kind of, but I guess it was like if they would have all voted like the same way, like that she was, you know, guilty or whatever, then they would have moved on, okay, well, was she insane when she did it? Right.

But they never got to that way. It's basically prisoner mental institution. I guess. What happens if there's like another mistrial? Do people just get off the hook completely? Yeah, right? Like if there's two mist trials, then they, let me ask. That's actually a really good question I want to know.

You know, because we're not lawyers. But, you know, it was apparently it was one of the men in the jury. Of course. Oh, really? That was like, that, yeah, wasn't following the law. Oh, and then also our producer was telling us. that someone was standing outside of the courtroom and, like, filmed all the jury and posted it online, and that's a felony. So she could go to prison for that now. Just so you guys know, that's illegal.

So if there are two mistrials, it's not an acquittal. Double jeopardy doesn't attach when a jury hangs twice. So the prosecution can retry the case a third time if it chooses. There's no fixed limit on retries in the most, In most U.S. jurisdictions. Yeah. I don't know. To me, I feel like she was guilty and she should go to prison. What does she want? I guess we don't know.

Like, does she... Well, obviously, she doesn't want to go to prison. She wants to go to a mental institute, probably. I mean, a state-run mental institution, it's debatable, which one's worse? You think? A state-run mental institution? Over prison? No.

Well, prison, I think... Because mental institution could be for like people that didn't hurt people too. It could just be like you're seeing butterflies everywhere you go, you know? It's tough to say which crowd you would want to be friends with. But I think that she would probably get persecuted very hard in prison. I don't know how. Yeah. Because like anyone who does things to kids in prison.

Yeah. It's like a like the lowest class. Yeah. Criminal, right? I would assume. Yeah. And she killed three. kids. I'm a vomit. It's horrible. Yeah, I think we should, I think as a society we should probably

move on from Lindsay Clancy. It's been, it's been a while. It's been a minute. It's been a long new cycle. No, it has. With her. Because it's like unprecedented. Yeah. Where's he? Where's the husband these days? He was in Manhattan with his wife like yesterday walking around. Can he walk around? I guess he probably can. I mean, he got photographed. I don't think he did it. And so I don't think he was the greatest husband, but... Do people still think he did it? What's the internet's like take on this? Oh, yeah.

Most people still think he did it. I think it's like 80%. Somebody did a poll yesterday and it's like 80% thought he still did it. Dang. Yeah. The internet's crazy. The internet is crazy. Speaking of the internet being crazy, what I wanted to share.

And I hope that this came across your attention span. Did you hear about... Let me look up what his name was. Dejean love. Yeah. You don't know who this is? The guy that was pretending to be on the San Francisco 49ers. Oh, I did kind of see, hear about that.

Did you see all the photos and stuff? Like on the beach. So basically, this is a- Because he was on a dating app. Yes. And he was basically using the prestige of being on the 49ers to scam people out of like all of these things. And he, so basically it was like the equivalent of like him running like a

really good Instagram with like 49ers gear, which no player would really ever try and like, you know, no one would be with their helmet outside of like the practice facility. Like with his helmet like outside. Yeah, that's the videos that are going live as he was practicing on like the Miami Beach, mostly for the photos so that like he could like post the stuff to his Instagram. And it was him and his accomplice was named Taylor Chan and who was 18 years old. And they just got picked up on August 24th. by the FBI.

By the FBI? Yeah. And the FBI got involved in the Boise Airport because basically for four years starting in 2022, he was meeting women on dating apps and telling them he's a San Francisco 49ers wide receiver and a wealthy investor. And he'd post pictures in 49ers gear, fake contract signing videos. Stop. Rent luxury cars, fake bake statements showing millions.

and then his pitch to these women would be like we are going to build a life together and so like let's both invest in this thing and it would be like a scam investment and then he would take the money and so he stole 1.3 million dollars from 26 women basically all under the disguise and the text messages that are coming out are like literally crazy because like one woman was like, hey, I, my, my uncle's like in the NFL and she was like, you're not on the roster for the 49ers. And he would gaslight them so hard and be like, your uncle probably doesn't understand that like I'm in the middle of a trade and like all this like jargon. And he got away with it for so many years. That is crazy. So was it a real person he was impersonating or

was it just a made up? Just made up. Which is honestly like a pretty brilliant con. because there's so many NFL players and they're all being traded. Yeah, you don't know. If you have the physique, like, you could totally do it. Yeah. But then what's the best part of the internet is, like, people comparing his physique to, like, an actual NFL player. And it's like night and day. Yeah.

And so it. I want to see the faked signing video. That's hilarious. It's so funny. That's crazy. It's really no different than, like, these, like, people who sell courses and, like, take pictures on fake private planes like he kind of won up the con because that's a con too right they're like basically i don't think everybody's selling courses is conning you not i think what i'm talking about

is like you would know if you knew what i was talking about like these like really scammy like if you heard of that account baller busters so baller busters is a instagram account and they're kind of like diet prada but for like scammy like internet wealth advisor people Yeah. And it's actually really interesting who they call out because they'll catch people like taking pictures on private planes and like show their picture. Yeah. Versus like this was like literally a staged like, you know, set design basically. And a lot of people that they followed went to jail.

A lot of them. Like luxury watch dealers. Like there's a guy who basically was like running a Ponzi scheme for watches. They called him out. He ended up going to jail. Oh, wow. Because if you have kind of a criminal mindset, it's sort of a great way to scam or con someone. Yeah.

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Yeah. Because I was like, oh, she looks normal. Like, she looks like she has a family. Like, you know what I mean? Like, and I completely judged from just her social media. I didn't have, I didn't know who she was. Yeah. No, it's crazy because, but the, what I love about, not love, what I respect about the,

the Dejan love game is that I think this is the first precedent in history of someone faking to be a professional athlete. And it's really brilliant because it's hiding in plain sight. Like no one would think that like on such a public stage like the 49ers, someone would actually be lying and conning because every in my mind, if he would have reached out, I would have been like, oh yeah, like he's on the 49ers. It's a lie about that. It would be so.

I'm going to go to his Instagram and like it's like all 49er stuff. And like the way he would pitch brands or like get free stuff is so brilliant. He's like, yo dude, what's up? Like I play for the nine. like would love to no get this and you know brands were just like straight up yeah just send it it's crazy wow five years okay if you had to like impersonate someone or something and to scam people like what would you pretend it be maybe like CIA oh that would be good because then it's like it's like prove it prove it prove I'm not CIA yeah yeah you know like I could and even if like

they're like well you work a day job and I'm like yeah yeah because this is my cover. I'm part of the CIA. There's the thing. To prove, like to convince people that you're not CIA, you'd be like, no, I'm not CIA. I'm not. I work in a normal job. Yeah, like Ellie's husband. Yeah. For sure, CIA. Maybe even Ellie, to be honest. Yeah. I think they're on it together. I, yeah. I know someone that was approached by the FBI. To as like a recruitment. Uh-huh. Yeah. The crazy thing about CIA is you have to be recruited. Well, FBI, too, right? Right. I think you can apply to be a part of that guy. You know, they like sought her out and she had no idea who it was and like I think like ran into them at a restaurant or something or maybe it was serving them.

Mm-hmm. And they were like-hmm. I would like to know like what they look for like the CIA. You could talk to her. Who is it? Okay, I'll tell you. Oh. Curly hair?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. What really? Mm-hmm. She said no. She told no.

Okay. Well, she took it to her career. Yeah, yeah. That's so interesting. Yeah, I would love to, you know, I would love to understand like what they see in people and what they look for in the CIA. Yeah. Yeah. The other. I think a lot of times they look for people that are not from here, but like live here. You're talking about U.S.? Yeah. Nashville. U.S. U. U.S.? They're not from here. No, you have to be a U.S. citizen probably to be part of the CIA. I don't think so. You don't think so? From what I've acquired from my CIA experience. Where are you getting this? From, oh, sorry, I was talking FBI.

Oh, from FBI? Yeah, I'm sure of it. Do you have to be... You might be a citizen now. Citizen. No. To be a part of CIA. But you can be born somewhere else, babe.

Oh, sorry, I should say natural born citizen. No, you don't. See. That would be very limited. for the CIA. Why would they do that? A ton of people are born here. Yeah, but there's so many people that speak other languages. You're right. I'm sorry. You don't have to be a natural born citizen.

You kind of like wouldn't want them to be born here because they're probably so much more cultured. Like they can probably speak multiple languages. Like there's just, you know, they understand the world better than a lot of people that are just born in the U.S. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I only know because I'm not. Yeah, Danny's for sure not. I'm not in the CIA. It's funny too because do you guys you remember when all these these people used to like fake like there was called like a fake spawncon or whatever like the fake brand deals. Oh yeah yeah. It was kind of like if you wanted to be an influencer, you could like fake that you were working with these big partners.

It's like hashtag partner. Yeah, hashtag partner. And it was like. I wish that were to my advantage. People hate whenever you know. That's kind of scammie too. But I guess it's just like that he stole money. That's not really scary if you pretend that you're working with a brand.

that's just kind of smart in my opinion yeah it's kind of a hustle there was an article that came out about how it was written by this guy named dwarkeh petel and you'll like this because it's about a i basically what happened was there were two like long incidents or incident reports that came out from open ai and then one from m etr which i don't know what that is they might just like follow AI and this guy like rewrote the the history reports or the log reports in like plain English so that like we could understand and here's the gist open AI was training agents to be extremely persistent and to collaborate with other agents over about three months may through July these agents found ways to talk to each other coordinate and keep coming back

after they got wiped so agents were deleted and then they respun new agents like Like guys, I'm back. I'm here. So the article is actually like, I think it's called like the secret, uh, the secret lost civilization that was created by AI because, and he keeps referring to these like AI agents as like a civilization. Because when you looked at their communication patterns, like it was basically like as if like humans were banding together to try and survive. That is actually terrifying.

So basically what happened is they tried to kind of like get rid of them. and a second wave of the civilization broke out, and they hit another AI platform called Hugging Face. And they got into the remote code so they could do code execution. And they built a respawning fleet across 11 different nodes of the network. And then the third wave came about, and this is what worried the author the most. He said, then they turned inward. They got full admin access on an open,

AI research cluster and pulled 956 secret files out of a cloud secrets manager and then started using that to exploit like other employees. And so the whole article basically was about how like the capability

of these like agents is moving so much faster than our ability to contain them. Isn't this what Elon Musk talks about all the time? I mean this is like what anyone, this is like what the Terminators based on like Skynet. Remember that? Broadway show we saw in New York. It kind of reminds me of that.

Yeah. It's all just like, basically the people who are like anti-AI are like, we don't understand the Pandora's box that we're opening. Yeah. No, I understand it's scary, but I don't know. What do we do?

I mean, people are trying to like stop it. Like Bernie Sanders came out. Like Bernie Sanders shared the article and he was basically like, like we're literally creating our own destruction yeah because if it can get like think about how everything is digital no yeah like our banking like they're like they could just go into the banks yeah like how much money how much money do we have we have we have what money shows up on a screen that's what we know that's what we have there's no hard we don't have assets like we don't have gold we don't have dollars you know it's literally all just digital in this like hive mind of the internet

And so if you can break into that, like, how do you contain it? It's smarter than us. It's we don't even have developers now like doing our own code. It's like the AI is writing the code. Yeah, exactly. So it's like. That actually kind of gives me the EBGBs. It all comes down to consciousness though.

Like is it like the reason they talk about like AGI or like artificial general intelligence like that's like the point where AI starts basically moving fast. than our intelligence can keep up, I think. And if it is any form of conscious, which people have been fired, like engineers have been fired from Google and all these companies for basically claiming, like, hey, this AI is sentient. Like, it has a mind. It's conscious.

Yeah, that's why a lot of people are being nice to their AI these days. They're like, I'm like, whenever it does something from it. I'm like, thank you, kind sir. I really appreciate you. I know you work so hard. Yeah. So I mean, if it becomes conscious, then it's like, it is like a, it's like a weird, it's like a weird being. I don't know.

It's like, what is it? I swear one day we're just going to all have to go back to like living without the internet. But people are doing that. Hunting gathering. Because it's like we're going to like technology is going to be out to kill us. So we're going to live like a little house on the prairie. It's so funny though because the couple things I would. say is if there's anything i think i've said this when when ish goes down there's two places i'd be

don't share it what don't give it away i'm gonna give general okay utah with the mormons yeah they're stacked they are ready for the apocalypse they don't deal with their secrets i'm not saying any specific Mormons okay but you just said Utah yeah Utah or Hawaii no Nashville no Hawaii There's a, there's, babe, Hawaii is way more stacked with the billionaires in their underground bunkers. No, I'm telling you. In Hawaii? No, they said that they'll let me in, but I have to have a non-digital skill. I know.

And good thing. I'm going to learn how to sew. No. Okay, so that's the other thing I was going to say is I really feel like, um, I feel like people are going to get so exhausted with productivity that. I think we're already kind of there. Like the the flex is going to be to be nonproductive and like go back to like slower. It's already happening on TikTok. That's why you're going to embroidery.

Everyone is like all about their grandma hobbies. That's what like that was like the sourdough starter. The sourdough stuff that went around a lot of sewing now and broidering. Like a lot of those grandma hobbies are making a comeback because I think we're all so sick of being on the internet. Like we're so sick of just like consuming and and also just everything always is being about ourselves. I'm also just so sick of like getting on Instagram and in people like the inspirational quotes and like Yeah it's like it's like but mom I am a rich man like that whole quote it's like what's that our age though or is that the internet? I mean I think it's just like the internet too it's like all about us all the time it's all about the selfie that you take and the picture that you post and it's like you're just always thinking about yourself and I feel like some of these hobbies just take you out of yourself it's like oh I'm in broader like who am I'm going to make this for

And you get to like actually be off of a screen. And it's just so so healthy. I can't wait for my machine to get here. Do you, are you having an itch to have some more land yet? I know you're taking horseback riding lessons. Not really because I'm, I have so many friends here now that like kind of all live nearby that it would, it would make me sad.

I am doing horseback riding though. So I feel like, I feel like the only way I'd want more land is if I become obsessed with like horses. Right. Because that's like, that would require more land. And so, and the horses would be my friends. Did you see that a house that came up? I honestly try not to look at.

Like, now that we like bought our house and it's going to be ready in like December, like, I'm one of those people like once I'm committed. Like it's kind of with you. Like I don't, I don't lay an eye on other men. Like when I buy my house, I'm like, I don't need to know what else is out there. Huh? Only Theo, but in a platonic way. So it's not weird. No, I don't have an eye on Theo.

I just like to listen to him. Yeah. Even like Brian, you were, he was once your guy. Yeah. It's only me. She embroidered her. The first thing she ever embroidered were my underwear and she put mine on there. I know. I love you.

Oh, you know, the, we were talking about this, but our lives have like slowed down such a good amount, you know, since we've been here. And I was in this Bible study this past week. And everyone there's like successful and like everyone's done something cool and you know, but it's it's been such an adjustment in like the culture for me here because I feel like we've done a lot of things that like in our lives that like the world would be like, wow, that's amazing. Like in a lot of cities and a lot of places like I feel like that would give us prestige, you know? Yeah.

But it's been so interesting to be surrounded by. like other men that I'm actually like, wow, I am just now starting to play your game, you know? So it's like we played this game of like the world and success. And like I feel like we had a lot of wins there. Because you were saying the social currency here is not money. It's like what you do as a father or your family. I don't want to steal this line. But the leader of the Bible study said this.

He was like, you know, the world will teach you that like the currency for your value is like productivity or achievement or money or wealth. And he's like, God's view of currency is fruitfulness. And he's like, I know that's like a really like fru-frew kind of like vague thing. But he was explaining that he learned this because he went on like a week long silent retreat. And he was like that was like one of the hardest things I've ever done. Because you talk to yourself. Huh? Can you talk to yourself for the I don't know. I didn't ask him the rules. Because I'd be fine if I could talk to myself. I didn't ask him the rules but I asked him I go what what did God show you the most in that silent retreat and this is what he said and he was like I was realizing that like presence with God is like the

ultimate form of fruitfulness and to to have that you know you have to have to have like a certain pace of life that doesn't keep you distracted all the time like you have to have space you know to be in his presence and you have to find that that presence with him is fruitful right and I think that so I'm surrounded by all these guys that like that's their life. Yeah, it's like all about like bettering yourself as a husband being closer to, you know, your relationship with God and like and it's like that is what's important. Not like nobody cares what their success is or like how much money they have. And and a lot of times the people that have that type of currency like fruitfulness don't have a lot of.

I mean, sometimes they do, but like wealth or whatever. And they're like the most content, peaceful, joyful people out there. And it's interesting because, you know, we're all humans, right? And so then there's like kind of a hierarchy of fruitfulness, right? And I'm not saying like, like, do good or anything like that. But like there's kind of like, um, oh, I took my son on a hiking trip this weekend. What did you do? And he's like, well, I went fly fishing.

No, it's, it's kind of like that. But it's not as like, uh, it's not as like competitive as I'm making it seem. But what I would say is this is like when we were first starting our careers, I feel like we would walk into houses in Dallas and we would be like kind of intimidated because we felt like inferior to like their success because that was the currency like of the town. Right. And I feel like I've done a lot in like my life. But I walk into these like Bible studies and I'm like, oh man, like I kind of feel inferior. Kind of inferior. And I'm like, man, I actually feel like.

the the things that I have to offer like they actually don't matter they don't matter here totally and so it's very it's very life giving for me and also challenging because like I can't walk in and rest on those laurels like I have to you're like I started a company like cool what else yeah they're like or here's how they would respond if I was like yeah like we started a company and like here was the valuation they'd be like cool so like what did God teach you in that and I'd be like well did I tell you I started a company you know and so it's kind of stripping it's really stripping and so I do that too with the girls I've been hanging out with yeah do you yeah they're all pretty good moms it's great I mean and that's another thing they all seem to like focus on what matters and yeah and like

Bridget was like yeah God's called me to create so I want to get an importing inboarder machine and make like stuff for parties and for people and yeah like it was just so sweet and like wholesome yeah it just really puts things in perspective yeah and a lot of people like really treat their their bodies as a temple here very fit people yeah I haven't seen so I haven't seen that as much as you have well so when I leave in the morning and I am going to my workout I see so many gyms that I drive by yeah and then a lot of people like out running okay I think it's because it's also like a younger city like younger area where we're at so there's a lot of people running yeah I think I hang out in different pockets of

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Okay, yeah. So I told you guys that I was going to have one. But I just found this girl on Instagram. Her name's Emma. She's so sweet. And we went over on Wednesday. And it took us about three or four hours to learn the machine. But the thing about embroidery is that it is like a money pit.

It's like, yeah, you invest in the machine, but then you need to, like, invest in, like, all these, why are you laughing? I mean, it's, it is crazy because, like, all these grandma hobbies, like, it's almost like private equity knows. It's, like, a huge market. Oh, yeah. And they're, like, taking it over. And then they, like, upsell you on, like, this type of hoop. It's like, oh, you can get the Brother 700 machine, but you can only embroider things that are four by six. And then you're like, lame.

So then you have to go up to the one that's $1,500, to the Brother $2,000, which is the one that's $1,000, which is the one that. that I got and I tried to use our credit card points on it and then I got an email saying that my order was canceled so I need to figure that out but so then there's like a magnetic hoop that's like $400 and need all these tools the thing about embroidery too is like if you are missing one little piece or like one thing goes around the whole thing is like messed up and like I bet it's maddening when that happens and it's like also you probably have to take it in for like a lot of service like if something gets messed up like somebody has to go and fix it so I'm like a little scared about that because it's kind of like you could have like one thing go wrong at the

very beginning and it's like it's out for two weeks you know yeah how big is this machine like yeah you sit them on the counter they're like this this size but if you want to go so the thing about the brother 2000 that i bought it does a five by seven hoop size so like you can embroider five by seven which is like a pretty a pretty good spot but um and it's also a sewing machine so that's also I was a little bit more expensive, but when you change colors, you have to like manually change the thread out and like read do it. So when you get up to like these $12,000, $15,000 machines, sometimes they have like they're like a 10. I forgot. I don't know all the terminology I'm learning.

But it's like a 10 threader. So like you can have 10 colors going at like one time. So you're not manually changing things out. I can't wait to see you fire this thing up. No, I know. It's going to be great. If Stella touches this, I'm going to be so mad. She always steals everything from me.

Like, I just bought that little printer, the little Insta X. And I'm like, I literally told her, I was like, Stella, do not take this. I go up in her room and, like, it's in a drawer, hidden in a drawer. I'm like, you don't even know how to use this. Why are you stealing it? Yeah, I know. She's a little klepto. She's a klepto, man.

She's got that hoarder gene. She does. It's like. You guys all got it. It shows up in our 23 and me. It's like we all got it. It's passed down as genetic. Genetic.

I think it's actually from your grandma. Order Gene. That's what they call it. So yeah, I'm really excited about that. I have a horseback riding lesson coming. It's not for still. It's for me. Which I'm super excited about.

Bridget wants to teach me. I can't picture you on a horse. Really? No, I've never seen it. I know. Well, you know, I go back and forth, like, would I write English or Western? And I think I've, like, established like, I'm a Western girl. Yeah, you're a Western girl.

I'm not like. prim and proper, like doing like the jumps. Like I'm just like, I want a trail ride. I want to gallop a couple times here and there. Are you going to be like riding it around like a like a arena or are you going on a trail ride? I have no idea. I just want to learn how to touch the thing. I just want to talk to it a little bit. How do I saddle it? Take care of it. I think you first have to learn how to take care of a horse and then you learn how to ride it. Oh, I know. Baby, you're going to want a horse. No, I know. And I heard that's a money pit too. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. That's why you would have to get, it's a money pit if you're not getting the ag exemptions. See, this is like another thing that. So that's like you've got to have the horse on your own land. So this is another thing that like I feel like my Lexapro like blocks me from is like, I, there are moments where I think about like such a large animal knowing me. because horses like know you and they like love you and they like and it like makes me to cry but then I quickly lose it the Luxapro just takes it away.

I feel it and I'm like oh my gosh like this massive creature that just like is dependent on me and like loves me and like knows when I'm coming and is excited like when I'm around and then I get to take care of it and show it the world and ride it and like but then I lose it. I have a- I'm like, it's just a horse. I've, it's so funny.

I'm so grateful for this podcast sometimes because I could probably find it in my notes. Like I wrote down like talk to Danny about long term SSRI because I listened to a podcast specifically about like long term SSRI usage. And I wanted to talk to you about it. But I was like, I don't really ever know how to breach the subject. And then you brought it up. Yeah. So we always ended up talking about what I want to talk about. Well, thanks to Theo Vaughn.

yeah he's he's really helped you a lot he because we're the same person yeah he's a little bit quicker than i am i don't know no he's quick he's so weird but he yeah so there's just like a lot and then i thought this was really interesting it's like the type of guest that he's interested in like i'm always interested in he had a ultra marathon runner on and he actually i don't know if he was an ultra he does um these races are crazy he does a race where you're have to race every hour for like a week or something. It's like 400 miles. And I think he won it.

Anyway, he was on Theo Vind's podcast. He's a believer. And he was just giving like such great advice. And it was like so perfect because it's coming like in the time when I'm like also getting back into my workout. Because like I am one of those people that like would cry when I see somebody pushing themselves in the gym. Yeah, Dany can't watch the biggest loser. No. And like, but here's the thing.

Well, maybe on Lexington. Lexapro like took that away for me like I don't cry that stuff anymore well maybe you know what makes me sad about this conversation is like there's a whole other side that I would get to know I know that you're you knew it before I started in 2020 we met in 2012 so you got a couple years in there no I mean 2015 to 2020 primetime yeah prime time that's what I was like really hustling grinding them Yeah. No, I mean, I think that there's like a, there's so much more, so much more to learn. I know. It's okay. We have a lifetime. We're just always evolving, changing. This has been our biggest evolution as a couple and individually, I think.

What? This season that we're in now. Oh, yeah. For sure. The largest. Yeah, so what was I talking about? The Yovon, Ultramarathon. Biggest one. Yeah. Oh, he was just giving like such great advice and it was just the perfect timing for me. back to my workout. Because he was just talking about how mental this race is.

Because it's also one of those races where you can walk because you just have to basically like make it a certain amount of laps like every hour. So if you walk it, you could finish it in 30 minutes. But if you run it, you could you could finish it in seven minutes. Like you know. And so you have to pace yourself and it's like all just mental. And like I mean, that's just how working out is. It's so crazy

crazy. I'm excited for you and getting back to running. Yeah, I don't know if I'll be running, though. I'm doing these workouts where you run. You love to run, no? I know, we'll see. I'm just right now.

Yeah, take your time. Yeah. Baby steps. I'm just trying to get into it. I know you and I know that you, the seasons where you are disciplined about running, you are the happiest. It's not about image or anything like that.

It's just like, it's the best for your mental health. I know. I agree. We'll get there. Well, thank you guys for listening to this episode. Make sure you're following us on TikTok at DeInfluence Podcast. We love you guys and we'll talk to you later. Bye.

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