De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - All Things NYC Living, Personal Life, & CelebriTEA With Podcast Star Claudia Oshry

Episode Date: May 31, 2023

Dani sits down with podcast legend Claudia Oshry from "The Toast". If you haven't heard of her, what have you been doing? You're going to want to sit back and relax for this one, because there's a LOT to unpack. Enjoy. *sips tea*

Welcome back to your favorite podcast, D-Inluence. You guys were back for season two. And not only are we back, but we have my first guest ever on the podcast, Miss Claudia Oshrey. I'm so honored to be the first guest, taking your virginity. I'm excited to be here. No, seriously, like, I don't think you understand how much you influenced this podcast. I re-influenced you? No, you re-influenced me.

You were the first podcast that I listened to. And like whenever I heard you talk, it was the first time I was like, man, she's saying things that I wish I could say because I'm too scared to say. That's me. But I love it. Oh, thanks. I looked up your bio on Google. How scary. I'm going to read.

Have you ever Googled yourself? I try not to because I protect my mental health. But go on. Good for you. That's actually, that's very honorable. So your bio on Google says, Claudia Oshrey is one of the most popular social media influencers in the United States of America. Really? She is an Instagram star known for her username, Girl With No Job, with 3 million followers.

She is remarkably known for her lifestyle, which is quite sumptuous, they say. Sumptuous, okay, okay. I had to Google that word. It's like, you know, flashy. Yeah. The social media celebrity is also a writer and has penned down the book, Girl With No Job, The Crazy Beautiful Life of an Instagram Thirst Monster. I love that title. Published in January 2021, she along with her sister Jackie, host a chart-topping pop-cold

podcast called The Toast. Wow. Okay, maybe I will Google myself. That's a gorgeous flattering bio. Isn't it good? I'm deeply moved. Is it pretty accurate? It is accurate.

Yeah, I would like to think. I don't really know if I live a sumptuous lifestyle. That's the only thing I have like a little bit of an issue with. Okay. But other than that, yes, I am a writer. I'm a podcaster. I'm a social media girly. They pretty much hit the nail on the head.

When people ask you what you do, what do you say? Because you do a lot of things. Yeah. I was just having this conversation with someone because somebody asked me if I like the the label creator. Yeah. And I don't dislike it, but I'm not a creator. I think if anything, I refer to myself mostly as a podcast or a comedian.

Yeah. That's what I would say you are. Yeah. Are you still doing stand-up? Yeah. So I just wrapped at the end of last year my tour and I filmed a special. Okay. And so now my special should be coming out soon.

We're in like the editing phase that I'm really excited about. And once that comes out, I'll probably take off for a few more months and then start up again. Okay. A lot of comics like to go back to back, you know, every weekend for years. Like for me, how I can do it and still be able to do the podcast. every day because I do a show Monday through Friday. I can't be touring for weeks at a time. Yeah. It's really best for me to do a tour for a year, like year on, year off, which is kind of not typical for most people, but it works for me. That makes sense. It's like Taylor Swift.

Pretty much. That's what she does, right? Yeah, I pretty much model everything in my life after Taylor. Honestly, kind of same. Why not? It's working for her. You know, so I want to ask you, because before we get into all this, Joe and Taylor, like, what's your theory? Have you talked about this before? Have you really thought about it? Of course. It occupies all of my time. I am not upset. I can't explain. I feel kind of weird because for the last six years, it's just been sort of a fact. I guess Taylor has found happiness.

You know, she was this girl, hopeless romantic, very whimsical her whole life. And she made us all believe and love it. And she got her happy ending and it's a fairy tale. And that part I'm struggling with because for me, like that chapter of her life was closed. But I'm not not excited about like a single Taylor era. Like she needs to be dating, you know, businessmen and billionaires. other people with planes. Right.

I'm excited for that. I wasn't particularly attached to Joe in the sense that he wasn't, you know, a dream man of mine for me or for her. Same, yeah. But I'm sad that she's clearly sad because she's my girl and I want her to be happy. So do you think that something bad happened between them or do you think it just was like, okay, next stage of life? I've seen a lot of, you know, the theories that he was very, you know, jealous and competitive

of her fame and it's hard. And I don't know. I don't think you get jealous of someone after. after six years. True. That would always be the case, and I don't think Taylor would have been down for that. I just think it's one of those things where, you know, people are meant for you in your life for a certain period of time, and everyone is in your life for a reason or a season.

Like, it's not meant – not everything's going to last forever, and I think that's okay. No, that's okay. So, do you – have you heard about the F1 racer? I have. Fernando Alonso is that his name? I don't think that's true. He's being really thirsty. He's being kind of douchey about it.

No, and he's giving loser energy, and Taylor would never. And she would never, like, continue to date someone who's clearly trying to monopolize on her fame by, like, making TikToks about this rumor. Like, I don't think they're dating. Right. I hadn't even heard the rumor until he was, like, making TikToks to karma. Like, it's loser energy. No, I totally agree. So, okay, so we're on.

We're here for this. This next phase. I think she's probably still in her healing, you know, era. So I don't think we'll be seeing her out on dates. And she's so private. And if anything, she's gotten even more private. Yeah. So I don't know if we'll be privy to a lot of the information, which is so sad, but I totally respect her boundaries.

We respect that. Yeah. So you all talk about pop culture a lot. And you live in New York. I do. So like what else is going on? What's the scuttle butt? Like what's going on in pop club?

Yeah. I mean, right now it's mechala season, but at the time this air is that will be irrelevant. But right now the city is ablaze. I feel like if I were to go out to dinner tonight, which I'm not going to because I'm so tired. But if I did, like I think I would probably run into some celebs. And Aaron Rogers is now playing for the Jets. So I feel like I'm going to be able to see him out and about. When I saw that, I was like, oh, that's exciting for my social life.

He's not with Shailene anymore. No, even though I do think it's not the end for them. I could see that. I think they were really good for each other. So do you see people out a lot? Yeah. That's like one of my favorite activities. Are they toasters?

It depends. Some people are, which is really exciting. And it makes like the entry like for conversation. So much easier. So much easier. If they follow me on Instagram, I'm like, thank God. Yeah, it's easy. Or if we have like a mutual friend.

Like that's the best one. I'm like sitting at a table and I see someone I know. And then next to them is a celebrity. And I can be like, oh, hey John. Oh, who's your friend? Yeah, who's nice. Hi, Miley Cyrus. You do something like that.

That's great. Yeah. So have they ever brought or have you ever talked about a celebrity on your podcast, told a story or something and then they DM you or they follow? Really? Yes. Do you have any good stories for us? None that I will share because they're too humiliating. Or are they mean?

Well, what thing about me is like I'm just going to say how I feel and this really doesn't happen as often as it should, honestly. But like a recent example that was like harmless was, you know, Jackie and I were talking about, I don't know. if you remember like a while ago, the winner of American Idol, Philip Phillips. Oh, sorry. Well, he kind of went on like a whirlwind tour after that. He had this amazing album. He opened for John Mayer. And we were talking about how amazing that was.

And then he just kind of fell off the face of earth and like, what the fuck happened to Philip Phillips? And he's like on his Instagram, like posting about the clip from our podcast. Like it's just, I can't speak in peace. It's really annoying. Did people come over? Were they upset? No. I mean, I was being flattering.

Yeah. I'm not a mean person. So nothing I say is like that bad. But sometimes I just spill the truth. then the truth is, what that fuck happened to Philip Phillips, you know? Yeah, we just, we miss him. So it's like a dumb example, but I do, I do often hear that, like, things get back to people. And it's, it's humiliating. I try not to let it stifle me creatively because I think a great part of the podcast is like, you need to be free. Jackie and I are just free and we say whatever we want and, like, we're not beholden to anyone or anything. But every now and then I'll be talking about something and I'll know that I either, like, know this person or I have like a mutual friend this person. I just shut up. No, yeah. I've seen you do that before. Because, you know, sometimes it's like funny. Like we're watching, we're listening. I'm like,

There's something Claudia is holding back. And I respect that. Like, I respect that about her. She's not going all out. Sometimes it's just not worth it. Like, not every hill you have to die on. Yeah. No, I totally agree. But then there are parts of the job that are like so annoying because like what's so fabulous about my life is like, I'm such a big fan of pop culture. And it's like, I just obsess over celebrities and TV. And then because of my job, I've gotten access to like certain people and certain events that I get to go to and like I get to see those people. And I'm such a fan girl and it's so hard. I talk about this a lot in my book, how like, um, I went to, back when Pete Davidson and Ariana Grande were dating, so cute. I was at a party. I was at, where was that? I was at Robert Pattinson's birthday party. Don't ask.

I was like a plus one and I was like having the night of my life because I fucking love Robert Pattinson. That's amazing. And Pete Davidson and Ariana Grande showed up and this was like at the height of their dating and everyone was freaking and I saw she was wearing a huge engagement ring and it hadn't been announced that they were engaged. And I was talking to a group of people that like they were a part of and I was going to get a drink and Ari was like, will you get me like a red wine?

I was like, yes, Ariah will get you a red wine. and she like I handed her the cup and her big ass ring and I I didn't share that on the podcast even though that's like the biggest pop culture scoop because it hadn't been announced yet because that's where it gets just like a little dicey yeah where I would like to see still be invited to these things and you want to be invited back and I don't want to be the snitch who was like on the phone fucking like calling her podcast yeah hey Jackie like I just found this out so times like that make it tip but for the most part I'm at it's just fine no you really do and that's one thing like I said for those that haven't heard of the toast what I love about

y'all is you talk about things that you want to talk about. You're honest, but you're not mean girls. I can't explain it. I feel like there's a lot of pop culture podcasts out there that you listen to it. And then after you leave, you feel icky. Yeah. But what I like about listening to you all is like, you're funny, you're honest. But you also like have morals. Like y'all are very family-oriented. Right. Right. You have a faith that you're really passionate about. And I feel like at the end of the day, like people will respect the fact that sometimes you're a little more silent about things. That's so nice. Thank you. And I think what that is is like when you, when you're talking about like other podcast that feel mean girl energy when it comes to pop culture. I feel like a lot of times, like,

you know, making clips on social media, everyone really says the same thing. They're like, oh my God, I'm like gagged over this dress. Like it's really hard to have an original thought because for the most part, we're all just enjoying pop culture. So when people want to be different and they want to like say something that nobody else is saying like a hot take, sometimes it's just really easy to slip into being mean. So true. And mean isn't cute. Mean isn't funny. Like sometimes it's funny. Let's be real. But if you're like, if your M.O. is just to be mean, that's really not like a vibe. People want to listen to. every day, especially we do a daily show.

The whole point of the toast is like positivity. That has been like a core principle for us since the beginning. And I think during COVID, it was like especially important for us. Like the world is so dark and so terrible for so many people. And on a daily basis, you don't even know what the person next to you like on the subway is dealing with. So true. So we've always just really felt like that light, airy, positive vibe like has to be a core principle of our show. And it got hard during COVID because all I wanted to do was just fucking rant about how annoying

everyone was being. But I think people really appreciated the fact that we never went there. We never got dark. And it was so divided. And it was just like, it was just honestly like a terrible time in this country. And we'd like to pride ourselves on the fact that like you can listen to the toast and be who you are and you won't be judged and it's fun and it's happy and it's fresh. And you can giggle for an hour a day. What's wrong with that? I love it. And I do giggle for an hour a day. I absolutely love it. So y'all have been doing this podcast for you're saying six years. Yeah. I just, I didn't put that together until you just asked me. because I started, I think, the year I got married, which was 2017.

So has it evolved? Like, do you feel like you had to learn those lessons? Were there times that you set, you maybe, like, cross those boundaries? You were too honest. You said something that maybe you shouldn't have said. Yeah. And that's a thing, like, that's so hard about the internet sometimes is you want to grow, you want to evolve, but it's all being recorded.

And so you kind of have to like learn and evolve with people watching you. With a record. With a record. And it's like, okay, I'm not the same person that I was 10 years ago. Yeah. And, but it's hard for me. I've been doing this for 10 years too. I've been on YouTube.

I started on YouTube 10 years ago. And so people will hold me accountable to something that I said, even if it's like, I like apples. Yeah. Now, I don't like apples. Oh, girl. You're such a liar. You said that you liked apples.

No, that is me to a tee. Like, I will go on rants about things. And then a year later, Jackie always makes fun of me because Jackie for years has been obsessed with reading. Like she always getting on a podcast being like, I read this. I'm like that. I'm like, shut up. We don't care.

Yeah. Reading is for nerds. You're a loser. You're a nerd. And December, I think of 2020 or 2021, we were on vacation and Jackie gave me a book. She's like, please just read this. I just read it. You will love it.

I have read like over 100 books since then. I fucking love reading. And that's so me. Like I will die on a hill of being like, this sucks. Yeah. Downton Abbey. I'm like, Jackie, this show sucks. Never have seen it.

Obsessed. Can't watch movies enough times. That's so me. And I used to like reflect on that growth as like shameful. I was like, I was almost embarrassed. Like I used to say things that I now vehemently disagree with. Yeah. But now I think.

part of maturing is like learning to be proud of that. Right. Like I really am. And I always talk about this in like my marriage because I've been married. I've been with Ben for like eight years. And people when we were getting married, we're like, you're so crazy to get married so young. And I'm like, fuck off.

Especially in New York, right? I feel like that's super rare. People were just like baffled by it. Wait, why did y'all get married so young? Wasn't like a faith thing or was it? No. I mean, Ben was my first boyfriend, not by, like not. I would have dated more people, but it just how it happened.

Like I met Ben when I met. I was in college a freshman and we dated for four years and what do you do after you date for four years? You get engaged. Yeah. And it wasn't really that crazy, but people used to be like, guffod. Like, oh, I can't believe you're getting married so young. And now as an older-ish person, I understand why they said it because I'm so different.

Like it's entirely possible I could have grown into a person who Ben disliked and who Ben wasn't compatible with. So I do understand why people were almost like cautionary being like, oh, maybe you should wait. And in the sense of my marriage We both grew into people Ben is so different too We grew into people who we both really like admire and love And respect

And I'm proud of that growth Just to get back to what I was saying So I don't really feel that I used to carry around a lot of shame with me Like for like crazy things I used to say Just for attention almost And just try and be funny And it used to be so ashamed

Like knowing that that existed And people could like reference it to me Like this is what Claudia is like And now I'm not I'm really I've let go of a lot of that shame In the past couple of years And I feel really proud And as long as you know who you are, it's tough on the internet when so many people are telling you things.

People tell you something enough times you start to believe it. I totally relate to that. You're like, wait, am I a bad person? Yeah. Was I lying? Right. And now I feel so confident in like who I am and I feel so proud of the growth that I've had that I look back on that with honestly, with pride. Like I feel so proud of myself and I'm not ashamed of like the mistakes that I made. Do I wish they weren't recorded on the internet when I was literally the 11th grade? Yeah, I do. But it is what it is. No, I get that. And I respect that too. I think, do you think that 2020 had anything to do with that? Because I felt like it was the first time, too, that like everyone started getting negativity and feedback or hate. Even like brands I was working with or just like, it almost felt like no one could do anything right. And so I felt like for the first time, everyone's like, okay, we're over this. We need to give people grace. COVID was tough. Like, people were not okay. People were not okay. And they were still recovering. Looking for, you know, ways to channel their rage. And they took it out on everyone. And I changed. And I changed. not to look back on that time because it was extremely dark. But it definitely normalized.

It used to be like a small club of people on the internet who the hate was reserved for. And then it just kind of became a free for all. And I hate to like, you know, it's like shot in Freud to enjoy bad things happening to other people. But it did bring me peace in a sense just to know, like it wasn't about me ever. Yeah, it's not personal. No, it's not personal. So in that way, I think it was good.

But I just think when you look at certain corners of the internet, you really realize how really not okay a lot of people are. So true. Does Jackie, your sister, does she kind of deal with hate or feedback the same way? Jackie doesn't give a fuck. Oh my God. I would think that's so jealous. No,

oh my God. Because that's something I feel like there are times whenever I'm posting stories or I'm talking about something on the podcast because you have to understand like I'm really sensitive. Yeah. So there are things that I want. Even I remember this is so stupid, but I remember one time there was a some event that Taylor Swift wore that like Navy outfit with like the guy.

Yeah. And I was like, I hated her outfit. And the next day, Claudia, you're like, man, I didn't really like her outfit. I'm like, man, she had the guts to say something like that. Like, I feel this. And that's so silly. But I honestly felt like I couldn't even, like, say what I like or what I don't like. I know.

It's so crazy. But, like, I would think that you have the toughest skin in my day. I'm like, what would Claudia do? Would she say it? No, I'm being dead serious. That's the energy I definitely try and put forth. It's so much easier said than done. Yeah.

Is it like a facade? It's a, yeah, it's a facade. But it's like, it's not even a facade. because it's like it's my goal. Like when I see Jackie does not give a flying. Does she read it not? Is that, is that? She doesn't read it.

She doesn't look into it. Like, you know, because you're a mom. Like, Jackie's not giving a fuckness got even bigger when she became a mom. That's so true. Oh, she's like, bitch, I cannot waste my time with these mentally ill queens on the internet. I am a mom. I am a business woman. And Jackie is such a strong sense of self.

Good. She's so confident in who she is. And she just radiates this confidence that's, um, confidence that's, um, honestly enviable, and she doesn't give a fuck. And it has rubbed off on me a little bit in the last few years. I definitely went through like a dark time with like internet hate and people coming for me in like 2020. I think everyone did. But it was really hard on me. So hard. And I look back on that now. And I didn't even realize how much I had grown until now I look back and be like the things that used to keep me up at night no longer do. And I'm so grateful. And I think honestly,

Jackie had a lot to do with that. Wow. That's really cool. So you film with Jackie. Why did you choose Jackie? Or how did that like come about? No. Margo and Olivia, do they ever get jealous? Oh, that's a good question. No, I don't think that they do because they come on all the time. Yeah. And they both do their own things that they're like really fulfilled by. But what's that's that's so funny. When I, before we started the podcast, I had started my own podcast called Girl with a Podcast. Oh, I didn't know that. When everyone, well, actually, now it feels like everyone. But when podcasting like was first a thing, I'm like, let me get on there and just like talk about the real houselaws. Was it even this thing?

A little bit. Like podcasting was? Okay, because I was like, so early. I was uploading through SoundCloud, like, really old school. Yeah. And I was doing it by myself and I would, like, sit and talk for five minutes and then, like, take a breath. Can we still find those episodes? No, you cannot. Good luck.

Like, you'll never. But every now and then, I would have Jackie come on. And it was so much easier. And it was so much better. And everyone loved it. But why Jackie? Well, we just, that's a good question. I think at the time, Jackie and I had the most similar interests in terms of real house wives,

Vanner Pump rules. That's what we used to, really, the core of our show was like Bravo reality. TV. Margo really never got into Bravo. That's our younger sister. And Olivia was actually into Bravo, because she was the oldest, the earliest. And she would watch it and we would be like, this sucks. And then we got into it. And she had like kind of matured past it. So I guess in just terms of like interest, Jackie and I were on the same level. And I would ask her to do it with me. And those episodes always did better. And then we were like, okay, let's just do our own thing. And we scrapped Girl with a podcast, which was shameful. Honestly, I'm embarrassed of it.

So you started a podcast, the toast, or the morning toast at the time. The morning breath, actually. Morning breath. That was our first show. See, this was before my time. Yeah. So I'm kind of like a newer fan. I'd say I started listening about six months ago.

Oh, wow. But it's been like a very fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like once you're in, like you're kind of locked in and you have to listen every single day. But before that, there's still some stories and things that you guys referenced. And I'm like, like, I remember for the longest time, I couldn't figure out what the redheads were. Oh. And I was like, this is so exclusive that they have a community of redheads.

And I was like, I can't join. I'm not. And then what's so funny, too, is I didn't used to read. Like, I hated reading. And then you guys always talked about the redheads, figured out what that was. And then I started reading. And now I'm reading, like, a book a week. Isn't it so fun?

It's so, so fun. It's so great. Especially as you get older. Not only as you get older, but when you, like, get so much anxiety from your phone. Sure. To spend, like, a plane ride. Yeah. I was literally, I took a flight home from L.A. two days ago, literally six hours.

Yeah. I did not turn on the TV. I did not open my phone. I didn't even get Wi-Fi. I read for six hours, like such a cute little romance book. The weight that my screen time has on my mental health, like there is such a parallel between the two. And just spending hours and hours, like a couple nights a week just not scrolling TikTok and instead

reading is so good for me. Like I know it is. It's so healthy. But the background of the toast breath, which if you're unfamiliar, it's so weird. Jackie and I, when we were starting after Girl with a Podcast, we have always like, we loved this movie called Morning Glory. Have you seen it? Oh, wait.

Rachel McAdams. Yes. Is she a news anchor? She's like the producer of the Today Show equivalent, whatever. Yeah. And we were obsessed with it. We became obsessed with like morning show culture and like we just, we wanted to be a morning show. Okay.

So when we first started, we actually didn't start as a podcast. We started as like a Facebook Live, YouTube Live, Instagram Live. Oh, wow. And we like sat at desks and we were trying to be like morning show host and it was like really cute. But it was like morning show but pop culture, not like politics or not anything like sad. Yeah. And we got. We had like decent listenership because like Jackie had a following on Twitter and I had my Instagram.

And a bunch of the people were like, can you rip the audio from the live show and just upload it as a podcast? Because I love podcasts in my car. We're like, yeah, sure. It was an easy left. It's free to do. And we just started doing that. And like almost immediately we had more listeners as audio podcasts than we did as like Facebook Live and Instagram Live. So we very slowly started to shift the podcast just to be a little less focused on visual.

We still do video. We don't sit at, you know, news anchor desks anymore. The show slowly morphed. And so it went from the morning breath to then the morning toast to then just the toast. We've had two rebrands. Y'all just rebranded. Yes. We'd like to reran every couple of years.

I do think this is our last rebrand for good. But the thing was the morning toast could have lived on forever. But when Jackie was moving to Florida and our production started to take longer, our episodes weren't getting up in the morning anymore. We used to get them up by 10.30. And then we were starting to get them up by like 1 p.m. Eastern time. And people were like, well, it's not the morning anymore. And we're like, you know, we're putting so much. pressure ourselves to get them out so early. It was just like a logistical thing. And everyone was

calling it the toast. So we sat, we were going to rebrand just our logo. And we sat down with our creative agency. And they were asking us questions to get to know us, to get to know the brand. And they were like, do you guys realize you haven't referred to your podcast as the morning toast once during this meeting? You keep saying the toast. And it was in that moment we're like, oh my God, we should change our name to the toes. It happened so organically. And honestly, I don't think it was hard for people to switch from the morning toast to the toast, which is like the best kind of rebrand. Yeah. It was so easy. But we're done rebranding, I swear. Okay. If you say so. Yeah. So with Jackie being involved, I mean, y'all are sisters. I cannot imagine working with my brother. I have had Jordan on some episodes. I have to be honest. There were times, I think it was our first episode. Wait, your brother's name is Jordan? No, my brother's name is Landon. Oh, okay. I was like your brother and your husband. No. I actually have had my brother on the podcast. But Jordan and I, we filmed a couple episodes together. I'm not going to lie. There were episodes that we, like in the middle of it, I'm looking at him. I'm like, I

I can't. And I literally turn off the mic. I'm like, we have to revisit. I'm done. There's been times that we refilmed. We did everything. There have been times where we are fighting so hard. And then we walk in the room like, hi, babe.

How's it going? And it's like, it is the hardest thing ever. But like, you guys are committed to posting every single day. So let me say Jackie and I both podcast a little bit with our husbands, like for our Patreon or when Jackie's out or when I'm out, we'll have them fill in no more than a few times a year and we hate it. Yeah. It is impossible not to fight with your husband when you're podcasting with him. So I just want you to know that's completely normal. So that's, it's different whenever it's your sister. So different. Like there it's not even a question. Yeah.

Especially because like Ben and Zach, like they, my husband has a podcast now, but it's only about, you know, eight months old. You know a lot about what, what to say, how to time your words. Like there's an art to podcasting. And if you're not a professional podcaster, it's infuriating to be a podcast with you. If you're like sniffing and then microphone. We're saying totally every other sentence. I'm like, can you, can you stop? Yeah. So it's not the same at all. And I want you to know it. It's completely normal to have that experience podcasting with your husband because it happens to me and Ben all the time. It's so different with Jackie. But people do like, they can't believe I work with, you know, my sister. Like you don't fight. Like you don't fight before you start filming. You've never had like an episode where you're like, okay, we just, we're not, we're not posting today. Like, no, because we can't not post. We actually, people always ask me that you guys fight and honestly no. But like a. few months ago during the podcast, we like got into like a little snafoo. It was like so dumb.

We were talking about like a celebrity stylist. And I said something that was like incorrect. And Jackie was like, you're wrong. And she was just like, like barking at me about it. I was wrong. And I was like, you're wrong. And it was so stupid that we literally, we were like, we're like, we're going to cut this out. Just move on. And we kept podcasting. And we just forgot about the fight. And by the end of the episode, like the fight was over. We didn't even have to like dig into it. We just cut that part out. Nobody needed to hear that. So but that's like, that's like, one example I can think of after six years. We really have, knock wood, bite my tongue, a great working relationship.

I think we're very complimentary because we're very different personality-wise. I'm a little bit, I don't want to say reckless. I want to say spontaneous. And Jackie's much more methodical, much more thoughtful. Jackie's always thinking about the big picture. And I think both things are good when they balance each other out. You don't want someone who's too methodical and afraid to take risks and you don't want someone who's too spontaneous who just goes off the fucking wall.

Right. So the two of us together, like I would say Jackie's very much to the captain of the ship. Yeah. And I'm like entertaining everyone on the ship, like dancing for everyone. Funny. I would have thought like kind of the opposite. Oh, really? Yeah, that you kind of wear the pants and you tell everyone where to get in line. No, Jackie wears the pants. Like if I want to do something, I need Jackie's approval because I mean, I can do whatever I want. Yeah. But I want Jackie's approval because she's never wrong. Yeah. Like if I have a thing, I'm like, should we do this? She's able to see the future. She's literally Raven Simone. She's like, no. She's so smart. Like if you ever need advice, I always, I always, my friends are. My friends are. are always calling me, like people who work in this space. And they're like, call Jackie. What do you think I should do? I'm like, let me patch in Jackie. Because honestly, she's so, she's way smarter than me. Oh, that's so cool. So have y'all ever had a guest on the toast?

Because you don't have a lot of guests? No. But have you ever had one where it's just been like a disaster? Or you don't even share the episode or something goes south. And no one really knew the behind the scenes. We have never, I don't think, scrapped an entire interview. But we've had a few that we would, not have back on again. But that's what I like about our show. We don't have guests. I think a lot of

people rely on guests in order for their episode to perform well, which is good for a lot of people, but it just doesn't work. I like a consistent audience. I don't like, whenever you all have a guest, I'm like, I know. I just want them. No, I know. And that's like the nicest thing you could say. Isn't that cool? Thank you so much. So it feels good because then you're also not in this rat race. I feel like everyone's competing for the same couple of guests. You know, couple celebrities will go on podcasts a few times a year to like promote a certain project and everyone's like kind of competing. for that guest spot and we're just not even in the race. I'm just, I'm chilling. No, I love that. So the other interesting thing about your podcast is you feel, like, we feel like we really know

you guys, but I actually feel like you have some boundaries of what you share. I do. Because you talk so much about pop culture, but then you'll talk about your day, what you did over the weekend. We've gotten a lot more personal in the last like two years. Do you have like strict boundaries of like what you share and you don't share, like certain topics? Yeah. And I think it took me a really long time to understand that that's okay because I was, you know, I grew up in very much like the the Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears era where it's like these girls were just laying their life out on the line. Like nothing was sacred and nothing was private. And we learned that that's okay. Like in order to be a public figure, you're basically signing this like social contract that

that you're agreeing to have no privacy. And I don't subscribe to that. Like I actually really especially when it comes to like pop culture and talking on the toast about people's lives. Like I actually really respect people's boundaries and I love when they have them up, whether it's about their kids, whatever it is, I so endorse that notion. And I've gotten comfortable with that for myself too. Right. Like there are things in my life. Like, I will not share and I will not speak of. And no one is going to shame me into doing that. And it helps. I feel like whenever you have, you know, friends and community that you're not sharing online where you can go to them. And like, whenever you're getting hate or feedback, I go to them, I'm like, okay, wait, is this actually

legit? Is this real? What's going on? And like, do you feel like you have that in New York? Yeah. I've seen people like, you know, one of the things that people, that people like to say about me is like, you know, back a few years ago, she had so many friends from home and like, you know, college friends. And now she never posts about them. They hate her. She hates them. And it's like, actually, I have more of my, I've gotten even closer with my high school, my camp, my like, OG friends. I don't post them. I don't share them because I feel like those relationships are so sacred to me. And I'm not going to let other people even remotely think about speaking ill of them. Sometimes it's too, like I didn't post because I was having so much fun. Yeah, of course. I'm just hanging out with my friends. Like, I don't feel like I have to. And that's not. And that's not. not to say, like I have a few really, really important friends in my life who I've met through this space, like Taylor Strecker, Brian Kelly, Shannon Ford. Like those are people so, like, actual real friends to me. And that's not to say that you can't have that with people in the industry. You can. It's just more difficult. It's more difficult to find. And that's something I'm totally comfortable sharing because those people, you know, live public lives. But my

friendships with like people who I've known forever and who live private lives, like that's so important to me. And if people need to think that I'm such a, she's such an ego, she doesn't hang out with her old friends. Fine, whatever. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Like, eat my ass, bitch. Seriously. Would you ever move to Florida? Do you think you'll stay in New York? I do. Because I know that you, you have a big family. Yep. Do you want a big family? I do. Does Ben want a big family? Yes. I mean, I always said, like, I always wanted to be a mom and I'm like, I'm going to have me. This makes you like, I'm like beaming over here. This is so fun and exciting. I mean, I really, like, I want to be a mom. And I remember, like, my whole life, I'm like, I'm going to have my first kid when I'm 25. And I remember sitting on my friend Brian's couch realizing I was, he was like, oh, what are we doing for your birthday coming up? I'm like, how old am I turning? 25. I'm like, okay, we're not having kids out 25. Yeah. And it's just, it's so hard when you're like an ambitious person with like career. You're married to the game. I know. And I hate that like, I find myself pushing that back. And I don't feel ready, even though it's like, so.

important to me. And it's like that's, that is what keeps me up at night. Like actually the timeline against like my biological clock, my goals, what I want. And like seeing Jackie and Olivia have kids and like Michaela are oldest, like she's already turning three. Like it's so fucking unfair. So that's something I struggle with. But it's like so, like I do want to be a mom. And that's like God willing something I'll be able to do. But I don't know if living in Florida is going to be in the cards for me. Really? Yeah. You stay in New York. It's really, it's like one of the hardest things that I've ever. dealt with. I've never lived away for my family and like my two sisters moving away. Like I

fucking hate them. But I respect, you know, the decision. Yeah. It's not a life I can see myself living. Okay. But maybe, you know, so Dallas is out of the question. Yeah. I don't know. But you're coming to Dallas next week. I am. I'm going to the ACM awards. I'm going to. Oh, you are? I'll be going with Bridget, which I know that you love the bar. I do love the bar. Do you know what the bar means? No. So the bar, everyone thinks it's like the bar to go drink. No, like raising the bar. It's raising the bar. Okay. That's what I think. That's what I think. thought and that's really cool. I had to explain it to a lot of people. No, that's interesting. At first I thought it was like, Weber. I'm like, is that someone's last name? Yeah, so we'll be there.

Fun. Okay, good. We'll see you. I'm so excited. So I just, I do think I'll live in New York. Okay. Ben's family's here. Like, I don't know. Oh, so everyone's here. Yeah. That makes sense. And I'm really hoping Olivia and Jackie will, like move back. So how does that happen? If you have kids in the city, like, I mean, would you have kids in the city? Yeah. I mean, I grew up in Long Island until the seventh grade. And then I lived in the seventh grade. Like to me, I'm like, these are like Europeans. I'm like, I know. It's a different lifestyle. It is, but it's really not. Like, it's, it's so normal to me now. Yeah, what's it like? It's expensive. Okay. So I'll see where I'm at when it happens. Yeah. And I wouldn't be opposed to living like outside of the city, whether it's like Long Island. I love Long Island and New Jersey because there's like really big Jewish communities there. And that's just like important. Like honestly, I would move to Nashville. Like that's my dream. But there's not like a thriving Jewish community there. And like I want to send my kids like a Jewish day school. I know there is because that's where Jackie's husband's from.

Yeah, I know. But like, I don't know. If I'm going to move to Dallas, I should just move to Florida. That's true. It's like, it's weird to grow up in the city, but I will say, like, so much of who I am, like my personality. And I'm like, I'm extremely, like, you know those friends who like up until the time they were 18, like their moms were calling them to make doctors appointments?

Like, you grow up so fast in the city. You're so independent. Like, bitch, I was making my own at doctor's appointments in like the eighth grade. Yeah, you're independent. You're so, you're on another level. And I actually love that. Like, I'm so self-reliant. I don't rely on.

fucking anyone for anything. And I think a lot of that has to just do with growing up. Like, you're a full-blown adult. Like, you're going to school by yourself. Like, you're walking around with your friends. Like, it's really, it's, it is actually so different than growing up in the suburbs. Like, next level different. So whenever people in New York, whenever they're vacation or going family trips, where do you go? People in New York mostly go to Florida. Like Miami, Puerto Rico. Is that kind of far, though? No. No, it's like two and a half hours. Oh, that's not about. Okay. Yeah. Like the east coast of Mexico, people in, like, who live on the West Coast have it so much better when it comes to Mexico because there's like Cabo.

There's Calvo. The West Coast of Mexico is just so much better than like Cancun-Tillam. Yeah. So, but we make it work. That's so fun. Yeah. Let's see. I want to talk more about your book.

Okay. What was that process like? Was it hard? Especially doing the toast. You're probably doing like your... It's like a lot of talking. Your stand-ups at the same time? No, so this was during COVID.

I wrote my book during COVID. Did you know that you always want to write a book? Yes. Or did you have like a bunch of free time? No, I always knew I wanted to write a book. I actually, I recently found my first book treatment that I wrote like literally eight years ago when I was in college, like, bitch, I had nothing to say. And I read it and it was really funny.

But the book that I ended up writing was not at all what the book that I originally did the treatment for. I wanted to write a book. It just felt very weird to write a memoir as somebody at the time who was 26. But you had lived a lot of life. After I had been through like a few things, I was like, you know what? I do think I have something to say. And that's why people keep asking me if I'm going to write a second book. And I would love to.

But like, I don't have anything to say. Like, I need to live more. Like, I don't want to just write. I feel like in this space it's so easy to like get a book deal and like just do it because you got the deal. Especially with influencers. I know. They write about stuff all the time. I'm like, this is really okay.

Not because you have anything to say. Yeah. So I would love to write a second book. But I don't think I'm there yet. If anything, maybe I do like short stories, like funny short stories, but not like another memoir typey thing. I just think I don't want to, I don't want to like put stuff out that sucks. don't trust you, you know?

Yeah. Everything I put out, like, I feel so proud of. Like, my first comedy special, my first book, my next comedy special, I'm so proud of. Like, I don't like to just put crap out there for the sake of having crap, you know? What is your next comedy special? Can you tell us about that? Yes.

So I filmed it in December. It was the show that I wrote over the course of 2022. Okay. It's just like, it's my life, like a series of stories, my take on the, on the moronic state of the world. And it's like an hour in 10 minutes. If you saw it live, it's similar to that. And I'm really, I'm really proud of it.

Like, I just watched it the other day because we got the final cut. And I think it's literally the funniest thing like anybody's ever seen in their life. Is it hard to perform live? Yes. It's very hard. Do you, like, do things, jokes in real time? Yeah. I always feel like that's probably the most challenging.

Yeah, you have to, you can just go out on stage and want to improv, even though, like, my brand of comedy is improv. Like, we on the toast, I don't plan. anything that I say. Everything that comes out of my mouth just comes to my brain. That's so crazy. That's how I work. That's just how I work. But you can't sell tickets to a show and be like, I'm going to go on stage and wing it.

You need to have, like, core stories you're going to tell core jokes you want to get to. But the journey in which you get to those stories can be different every time. And depending on where I am, like, I can know I can lean in. If I'm in the South, like, I can be a little bit more, you know. If I'm in like a really Jewish neighborhood, like, when I do the Northeast, I'm, like, very leaning into, like, my camp at Bumitzvah Girl Roots. Yeah. So you can take on different, like, personalities, which is.

really fun but for the most part like you need to get through what I had like you know eight or 10 bullet points yeah that I would need to hit in order to complete the show and have the show make sense and be long enough you know you're selling tickets you can't sit there for 30 minutes doing nothing you need to entertain people for like my show was between like 75 and 90 minutes okay and then I whittled it down to like 80 minutes for the the special that really shocks me that you don't prepare anything for the podcast I know because you film for about an hour right yeah so all of the do you ever feel like do you ever get sick of pop culture because you feel like it's just for the pop you're like oh I have to read this book just so I finish it. I have to watch this TV show because I had something to

talk about. No, sometimes when it gets tough is there are certain like seasons of the year that are very interesting for pop culture. Right now we have like the Met Gallo. Like there are interesting things happening. And then just like celebrities are being boring and nobody's doing anything crazy. But like we're coming off the heels of Scandival. Like the banner pump rules reunion by the time this episode comes out, we'll be out. Like there's so much. Like we wake up every day. We have purpose. But then you know, in the summer things get really light because every celebrity's in the South of France. Like there's nothing. And it's like scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to talk about. And that's when it gets like a little, that's when I feel personally burnt out.

Right. So we actually usually take off like a good amount of time in August. Oh, I didn't know that. Because that's like our hiatus, August and December. How long? Well, this. Where do you go? What do you do? Well, it depends. Like usually I do nothing. Usually we'll take like a week or two in August and we'll do like a family trip. And the same like a week or two in December, we'll do like a family Christmas trip. This year's going to be different. And, the last couple of years have been different because of Jackie's maternity leave. So now we're like scheduling everything around Jackie's maternity leave and how we're going to do that. So we will take time off in August for her maternity leave. Okay. When does Jackie do? You know, everybody keeps asking that and I have a new fucking idea because everyone around me is pregnant. Will she have 202? Will she have 2002? Is such a good question. That's what we had. I do think she will.

I do. Mine are 17 months apart. Wow. But I will say, just to you know, I mean, you probably know this because of Jackie, but I feel like, you know, doing all this, starting on YouTube, the having the blog, then doing Instagram, the podcast. Yes, everything changes a lot. But I feel like whenever we had our kids, it like made, it's so weird. I feel like it made our time like more efficient. Really? Yeah. Like, it's almost like I knew, like I had to say no to the things that didn't make any sense. And I had to go after the things that I actually really wanted. Because sometimes I'm like, what am I doing? Like, I feel like I'm just like kind of being swayed along with what everybody else wants me to be doing. Like, why am I launching this podcast? Why am I making this

real? When you have kids, you're like, I don't have time for that. What do I actually want to do? what, you know, with this hour that I have while they're napping, like, what's going on? Oh, that's interesting. I don't know if everyone feels that way, but. Yeah, no, that's a good way to look at it. And it's very sweet, too. Time management, you almost feel like you're like, finally, it, like, makes sense when people are like, oh my gosh, they're super, you know, humans, these moms.

It's like, because I literally only have, like, one hour, what do I really want to focus on and just be super efficient at? But, like, maybe this is a personal question and you don't have to answer it. But, like, before you had kids and you guys were, like, trying and we were, like, making the decision, like, I'm not ready. Like, that's a thing. No, yeah, definitely. You got to be ready.

Okay. Like, I'm not. Like, how do you know when you're ready? No. Honestly, I feel like, so I always saw myself, I am not having a kid until I'm 30. Like, I just really wanted that time. I'm 30 now. Okay.

And I have two kids already. When did you have your first? 27. Shit. So I got married at 25. But no, like, I had to tell you, I was not the girl that, like, wanted to get married out of college. I wanted to have my independence.

I wanted to buy my own first house. I wanted to figure out on my own because I feel like in the South, people are always telling me, Danny, you got to go to school. It's the MRS degree. you got to marry a man to take care of you. And I was like, no, like, I want to be able to do this myself. I don't want to be dependent on someone, especially like, I want to like whoever I marry.

Like I don't want them to just like provide for me. Like, so honestly, when we first got married, when I first married Jordan, I was like the breadwinner. Yeah. Not anymore, really. Like, we do things together now. But at the time, like, that's how it was. I didn't mind that at all because I just like kind of wanted that independence.

And then, you know, we got married. We kind of like, we were made for three or four years. And it just like hit me one day. Really? I felt like we had kind of done everything that I wanted to do in terms of, you know, traveling. And maybe this is just maybe being in the South. And there wasn't like a lot going on. Now whenever I visit New York, I'm like, man, we got to move our family here here.

Are you here with you? No. No, yeah, that's too much. We've done that before in New York. And it's okay. We actually had to bring a nanny with us last time because it was so, so difficult, especially, like, there's no where for them to, like, run around. They go outside. I'm, like, so worried about them.

One thing about me, like, I will be having a nanny. Yeah, that's why, that's what I was just saying to Jackie. I'm like, I'll be ready when I win the lottery and I can have 4,500 people help me. Like, I'm so nervous because I see Jackie and Olivia and they do everything and they're just like, they're so inspiring, but exhausting. It's so exhausting. Like, sometimes I feel like people that have nannies get a bad rap. Like, I get hate for it all the time. Yeah, but I feel like I'm like, it's more people that love my child and are caring for my child.

Like, why is that a bad thing? No, and that's just like such a moronic thing to say. say like that that you get hate for having an annie because we just have these unbelievable expectations of women is like so you need to work full time and be a full time caretaker so you can't have any and be a good wife and it's like fuck off like I'm a human and I'm always tired like leave me alone no it's so true yeah we get hate about that all the time but I feel like whenever you know like my actually my daughter goes to school she goes to Spanish school so and she loves it she's so independent. Like I drop her off for school. She's like, bye, Mama. Don't miss you at all. I'm like,

all the other kids are crying. And she's like, bye. Independent Queen. So good. It's so good. But like, she loves it. And so, you know, our nannies with them from nine to five, like four days a week. I think the craziest thing for me that I didn't expect was there's times that I'm like, I really don't want the nanny there. Like I want to be doing all the dirty work. Like, because a lot of times I'm like, okay, because I've always loved to work. I mean, I've just kind of always been, I don't want to say a workaholic because I have such such a negative. invitation, but I've always just, like, really enjoyed working. And so I always thought, okay, those boundaries will be really healthy. But I do find myself, like, I'm like, what's the point

of all this? Like, I just want to hang out my kids. Yeah, of course. And so I, you know, that's why the first time we came to New York for business, I brought my kids. Right. And then I just learned a guilt thing too. Is that real? Yeah. I feel guilty like today. You know, my mom's at the park with him. My son, I threw him my first birthday, but he had a second birthday party at the park with all of like his friends, his park friends. And my mom sent me a video and I'm like, I have the worst mom go right now. Like I should have been at the second birthday party, you know? Right. Right. It's hard. So, you know, it's just kind of like always finding that balance. But I feel like it's so funny from like working as a mom, it's more about guilt than anything. And I think the hate that actually gets to me,

that actually like gets to my core is the mom hate not not like you're a bad mom it's like the it's like you should be there for your kids why are you working and it's like I know I feel the same way too no and it's like the person commenting that you should be there for your kids not fucking trolling on the internet you miserable wench fucking bitch I I want that attitude so that yeah no it's it's all talk I'm gonna work on it I really am okay so I want you something kind of fun okay I'm gonna do a word But you have to go really fast. Okay, yeah, no. Because sometimes people just like think it out.

No, you can't. You got to just go. First thing that comes to mind. Okay, you ready? Yeah. Snarky. Claudia. Brendan Fraser.

Love. mayonnaise. Ew. Influencer. That was my answer. Oh. Yeah. I have a very complicated relationship with the word influencer.

Okay. TikToker. Obsessed. Sexy. Me. Loggia Airport. Treasress. Selina Gomez.

Queen. Rich. Me. Hopefully one day. Sorry, three words. Noddy. Nice. Kindle Jenner.

Skinny. Marketing idea. Marketing idea. I have literally no idea. I'm sorry. Spritz. Spritz. Spritz.

Okay. Goal in life. One more time. Goal in life. To be happy. And rich and skinny. Failure. Necessary.

Love that. So true. It is what it is. So Spritz. So Spritz. Tell us more about Sprits. Yes. Sprits is Ben and I's similar to you, you guys did Divy.

We were like a few years. two years ago, we really were kind of not tired, but it's an interesting place where you are an influencer and you work with brands and you make so much money for other brands. And you're getting paid, of course, but you're bringing in like so much money to a company that you don't own and you really just want to like own your own thing. And we wanted to start a company. We knew we did. And we're like, what do we want to make that we can enjoy, but that we know our people will enjoy? And alcohol was the first thing that came to mind. Even though that was like the hardest thing we probably could have chosen because alcohol is so regulated and there's so many legal things to jump through.

And Ben really is the captain of that ship. Like when it comes to, you know, selling product and making content and doing marketing stuff and like being the face, that's very much me and Jackie. But when it comes to like merchandising, warehouse, bitch, I don't fucking know. Like talk to Ben about it. And he is full time on the business and he's so passionate about it. And he's so smart. And he really, we call it on the podcast.

He has this thing called The Ben Effect. And I'm sure you've been dazzled by Ben. Yeah, yeah, of course. He has a way of what most people would call networking, but it's not networking because he just builds like genuine relationships with people and he never, something I'm really bad at is like meeting people and not following up and then like years go by. Ben has coffee a couple times a week with people he's known for 10 years. Like he's always networking.

He's always putting himself out there and it's been so good for the business. Like so many of the relationships and retailers and things that have just happened to the business so because Ben knows someone. Ben knows everyone. Relationships still matter. Relationships still matter. And what's been, I was just telling someone the story and they couldn't believe it. Like, what's so great about Sprits is that it really feels like the community of people who listen to our toast were like a part of the journey.

A lot of them participated in like focus groups before we even launched the brand. So so many of them knew about it before we launched. And it just felt like this communal thing that we all got off the ground. And when we announced on launch day, we had so many inbound requests from toasters who work, you know, high level at huge chains being like, oh, I work in the alcohol buying department. Let's get Sprits into X. And we're in these huge chains that like a two-year-old brand should never be in. And it's just because people who love the podcast and like want to support and are a part of the community because they work there. And they're like, oh, let me run this by my boss.

This is perfect for us. I'm like, oh, my God, amazing. That's so encouraging that your community is like, they're the ones making it happen. Oh, they're fully a part of it. So that happened with Divi. I was walking through Ulta. And I was like, guys, I'm going to manifest this one day. And this was, you know, after we had probably launched for like four months.

And I'm like, guys, one day, let's get divvy into Ulta. Literally the next week, I get an email from someone at Ulta that followed on Instagram. Yep. And it was so sweet. Like, none of this would have happened without her. It's so cool. And then it just feels like we're all doing something together. And we get to, of course, like, enjoy the sprits.

Everybody loves string a spritz on a rooftop. But to be a part of it, like, from the ground up, is very exciting for us. And I think for the listeners, too. It's really, alcohol is a really tough business. So my mom, we call her tornado. She's wild. Yeah. You would love her.

you all would have so much fun. Oh, my gosh. But we tried. We looked into doing like a tornado tequila. Yeah. Oh, hard. Really hard. Yep. I mean, it's not like any other, you know, industry. It's really tough. And wine, which is what our sparkling cocktails are made with, is a little bit easier because you can ship it to like 48 out of 50 states. I think the only ones you can't do are like Utah and Arkansas. But it's expensive to ship. It's expensive to ship. That's why we want to get into retailers, but also have it available online. Like if you really want it, you can buy it. It's really hard. Wine is a little less hard, but just alcohol in general is so tough. And don't even get me started on getting into Canada. Like, you can never. Is it, so how long did it take from, like, the idea to actually getting, like, your first box done?

We, from the time we actually, like, started to legit, not just, like, have an idea, but, like, to actually work on it. To launch was a year. Okay. And we probably got our first samples, like, six months into that. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. It's so cool to see something, like, on the page, then show up at your door. Yeah.

It's really exciting. Are you still pretty involved, though? Yeah. Or is it more on the marketing? Yeah. So I'm not like 100% full time on this. Ben runs a company. Ben is the CEO of the company.

And they have a team of, I don't forget how many people, maybe like 12, that do all, you know, like sales, all that stuff. And for Jackie and I, like, where we know our value is what influencers should we partner with? Okay. What, you know, let's have a photo shoot. We need to make assets. We need to run a sale on this day.

Let's do a coupon code. Let's have Ben on the podcast. Like trying to figure out ways to. to fully integrate sprits into our audience, but then also expand beyond. Like, we want it to be a brand that obviously we started that when you think of you can associate with us, but you don't need to know us to enjoy it. Yeah. Because it's delicious.

And if you like wine and you like to drink and you like delicious things. And that's the point too. It's like you probably want to have something that can function without you being involved every single day. That can live outside. And that was what was so interesting when remember like a few weeks ago, all that R.L. Charnas drama. They're like, what's happening with something Navy?

She doesn't show up for work. She does not deserve that. I agree. I am freaking obsessed with that girl. Me too. The media is out to get her for absolutely no. reason. And that's what people weren't understanding. They're like, she's not even in the photos posting anymore. And so, well, the point was that they were going to build this brand off

of her back. They invest to somebody invested $10 million. She probably doesn't even own that much of the company anymore. It was supposed to exist outside of her, kind of how like Fabletics, we don't think about Kate Hudson anymore. Right. She's just the face. She was the face that launched it. And then it went on without her. Like, that's what people weren't understanding. But that's the goal when you're, you know, starting a business based off of like a community like ours. Like we want our community to love it and live for it. But we would love for it to exist, be our community. Right. So do you have any advice for people that are starting, you know, podcasting is so huge, but I do feel like you got into it like really early, yeah, a very early time.

But like you were saying earlier, it didn't take off immediately. No. Like it took some time. Yeah. And so what what advice would you give to someone, I guess someone like me starting out a podcast? I feel like you're doing everything right. Honestly, at this current juncture, my number one piece of advice is like if you ain't making vertical clips for your podcast, like you might as well not be having a podcast. So true. Just for TikTok and Reels? TikTok and Reels.

What about YouTube? YouTube shorts is great. Okay. YouTube long form though? We do YouTube long form. I don't think it's fully necessary in the beginning. People love it. Oh my gosh.

I mean, I love it because if I'm going to watch, if my someone I love is on a podcast, I'm going to watch it if there's an option. Yeah. That's just how I am, but not everyone's like that. If you have the capability and it's not going to put you out so much time and money, throw it up on YouTube. The more places people can find you the better. I don't think it's good to be exclusive to one platform or anything.

No, I totally agree. Okay. another game for you. Okay. Another pop culture game. So I'm just going to ask you some questions. Give you a situation with two celebrities and you pick one or the other. So number one, who would you rather be stuck on an elevator with M. Rada or Prince Harry?

I know your two favorite people. I really. That's such a good question. Prince Harry. Prince Harry, why? Honestly, I just think Emily Radikowski would hate me. And honestly, I don't think I would like her either. Like, we're so different.

She's very like girl boss feminist, like Harry Armpic Queen. and that's not me at all and I just feel like we wouldn't get along Harry I feel like he likes to throw down I'd ask him about the Nazi costume I have questions You have some questions for you yeah Whose phone number would you rather have

Kim Kardashian or Taylor Swift? Taylor Really? Yeah I was actually thinking about this and I was like I think she would say Kim Kay because I feel like Kim Kay would Okay Taylor you'd probably be friends with

Yeah Kim Kay would probably have like some business advice Oh yeah that's true She'd send you some contacts That girl's like a workaholic. This is something I, like my whole life struggle with these two, like my two queens. And I do think if I really boil down to it and I really had to like gun to my head answer. Like Taylor.

I think it'd be Taylor. And I know it would be Taylor. Did I tell you, oh, I didn't tell you this. So I made a reel, impersonating Taylor from her tour after the first time I saw it. And it kind of popped off because it was like one of the first ones. Yeah. Because we saw it, she started like in Dallas. Yeah.

So her backup dancer shared it a lot tonight. I'm vomiting. That means she saw it. That's what I was thinking. You think? She didn't like it, though. But I will say out of all the back of dancers. She doesn't like stuff like on, what was it?

TikTok or Reels? She only does TikTok. I know. I'm so busy. I'm not really big on TikTok. I'm like, I kind of stay off of it. Oh, I like Jackie. I know.

It's just, it's a lot. Honestly, I feel like, do you ever feel when you're consuming social media or content? It's not even fun anymore because I'm like, I should be creating these videos. No, it's like so toxic. Like, I'm like, why am I watching this? I need to go actually make them. Yeah. And then sometimes I don't want to feel that pressure, so I just don't pick it up at all.

That's honestly so fair. Yeah. It is. But yeah, so maybe she did see it. It's possible she definitely saw it. I too had a Taylor video blow up on reels. Did she like it? No.

But like it went so viral. Like a bunch of people that she follows liked it. Like somebody definitely sent it to her, right? I would think so. Because she says, like, even on her tour, she was like, I don't. She said, I don't sleep a lot. After the tour, I just like stay up for hours on social media. scrolling. I'm like, okay, if you're scrolling, like, you probably saw this, right? Yeah.

Okay. Next question. Who would you rather have to share a toothbrush with Selena Gomez or Haley Bieber? Don't put me in this position. Haley Bieber. You do love Haley. I do. I love them both, and that's why I don't like the question. I would share a toothbrush with either of them. Yeah, no, but just like with Haley. Yeah. It doesn't mean that we don't like that. Because if we're sharing a toothbrush, that means like maybe I'm in her and Justin's house. Oh, I don't know, maybe I'm at Selena's house and Taylor's there. I don't know. That's a really tough question. That is tough.

Who would you rather be stuck on a deserted island with? Jackie or Margo? This is personal. It is personal, but I'm going to think logistically here, and I'm going to go with Margo. Really? Margo's very strong. You know, if we need to climb a tree and break a coconut, it's going to be Margo. I'm going to be fucking useless.

And Jackie's now pregnant. Like, I'm totally... But honestly, my older sister, Olivia, is stronger than all of us. And she's resourceful as fuck. I think I would do Olivia. So who has, like, the strong. Street smarts in the family, though. Jackie.

Really? Yeah, but do you need street smarts on an island? No, probably not. I think you need like hardcore books smarts. Yeah, like how do you start a fire? Right. Number five, who would your date to the Met Gallaby? Leonardo DiCaprio or Mark Wahlberg?

Oh, that's so funny. I'm going to say John Mayer. John Mayer, good answer. My celebrity crush, which makes me such a toxic Swifty. I love John, too. Me too. And doesn't he look like Ben? Oh.

That's my rationale for being like in love with John Mayer. I thought it was so interesting in Jessica Simpson's memoir when she talked about John. Honestly, all the men. I know. But John was especially interesting. Yeah, because she was like, he kind of used his intellect to dominate her. Yeah. But I could totally see that.

Me too. That was also like in his really toxic days. I think he's a better guy now. Now he's like, you know, rejuvenated like female empowerment, yada yada. Yeah, he's more mature. Yeah, but back then he was so fucking toxic. He really was, like, not the greatest guy, but his music's so good. Your body is the wonderland.

It's so good. So, such a fan. Well, this is fun. I know. I'm so happy that you agreed to come on. I know that you had a super busy week. You came back from stage coach. You're so exhausted.

I'm totally fine. I'm so glad to have taken your virginity. My podcast Virginia. This is not only my first podcast interview, but my first interview ever. Yeah, I know. I'm honored. It's been so fun. Thanks for having me.

first experience. Okay, so people can find you. Actually, yeah, just list all your things. Girl with no job on Instagram and TikTok and all the places. And then my podcast is called The Toast, Monday through Friday. We also are on YouTube. If you want to watch on YouTube or you can listen anywhere you find your podcast, you know, Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, Public Radio, I have all the places. Wow, this girl talks so fast. I love it. All right, guys, thanks for listening. And we'll talk to you later. Bye. Bye.