De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - Are We in the Illuminati?

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

Dear De-Influencers, We’re back and we brought the Disney Hacks home with us. We’re also bringing in some new segments this episode and boy oh boy is this a packed one. We’re addressing rumors, debunking some questionable Disney activities and giving you all of our hot takes on things that are going viral and making people spiral (Super Bowl edition). With that being said we, we want your feedback on the new segment. Let us know in the comments of this podcast if you liked us switching it up this episode, or if it wasn’t your fav. We read and value your comments so keep them coming De-Influencers! As always, we love our De-Influenced community and hope you’ll checkout our socials @deinfluencedpodcast on Instagram and TikTok where we aim to provide you with comedic relief that you can share with family or friends who may not know about us. We LIVE for your guys witty comments and fun interactions so keep that energy going and who knows, maybe your comment will get pinned or shared on the pod! AND don't forget, we worked out special offers for my audience: Use code DANI to get 15% off your annual subscription + a free thermometer a naturalcycles.com  Go to tryarmra.com/DANI or enter DANI to get 15% off your first order!  Happy Wednesday, enjoy this week’s episode and WE LOVE YOU!!

Oh, and welcome back to your favorite podcast. D-influenced. You guys, my tozies are still recovering. My dogs are barking. My dogs are still barking. We've been home for, what, three days, and I'm still in so much pain from Disney World. I know I feel like I'm still recovering.

Did you know? In mind, body, and spirit. Same. Did you know that we walked 28,000 steps a day? 28? Yeah. Really? I swear.

My mom had an Apple Watch. I think you walk 28,000 steps because you like, you walk like, you're like these little I'm like a slower pace. So I think you walk 28,000 and I probably walk 20. I have to ask you something. What was I like at Disney World? Because it's all a blur. And like, you know, I kind of, I kind of led the pack this time around, which usually

it's you. But because I had been to Disney World before, I think that a lot of people didn't realize how complicated it is these days to do Disney World. It is so high tech. You have to schedule out all of your rides. You have to schedule out, you know, the meet and greets. You have to make reservations for restaurants 90 days in advance now. Going to Disney World, you know, they have classes now that you can take about how to go to Disney World.

Yeah, that's wild. They literally teach you how to work the app, how to reserve everything, where to stay. It is such a complicated, you know, situation that it is a nightmare for the unorganized, which, you know, I'm not the most organized person. in the world, but what was I like? Because I felt like I became a different person. Yeah. You know when we fly like American or Delta or any airline that has like an assigned seat? No one's going to take that seat. Like you are going to get on the airplane and you are going to end up in that seat. 100%. Determination. But the way that you get and how you need to be first on the plane. Yes.

In your boarding group for no real reason. No, no. It's purely, I'm sick in the mind, really. Yeah. You know, I stay out of your way and I'm just like, okay, you know, it is what it is. Yep. You know, I can't go get a straw or a sandwich because we could be second in line on group. And you know how I feel about that. And so you were kind of in that mode, the entirety of Disney.

And I think that what really kind of just fed the fire is you, you are like that because of your mother. A hundred percent. It's all that you know. And then you had my mom with us. Yeah. So it was like the rest of us were just like, go with the flow. Jesus take the wheel. Yeah.

And it was kind of like you were made for Disney because whatever, I don't even know what to call it. We need to term it something, line aggression maybe. Okay. Whatever line aggression that you were born and bred with, Disney was perfect for you guys. Exactly. It was like a 24-hour, 72-hour competition. Yes. of being first in line.

Yeah, I mean, and I just like to get where I'm going. And so I'm a fast walker. Yeah. I was thinking ahead. I do feel like I led us into one heck of a trip. I mean, you led us well. That's the thing is that I did. I feel that too.

I have no regrets because you, you really packed the day in incredibly well. Like, I mean, we saw the entirety of Disney because of your planning. Thank you, ma'am. Really? Yeah. I mean, was it, was it a pace that was necessary? Debatable, right? It definitely 100% was.

Debatable. But, you know, I think at the end of the day, I'm leaving with no regrets. And I am just so glad that I have a fearless leader. Thank you, babe. Plural. Next time we go, I will take a backseat because I'm going to be like, oh, he's, because, you know, it is complicated. Nobody else knew how to, like, work the act.

Nobody else had it downloaded. Nobody else had their magic bands, you know, connected to Bluetooth. And so I did feel this sense of ownership over the group. And so, and so it was. stressful, but let me just tell you all. Do you feel appreciated for your leadership? Yes, I do. Are you sure? Yes, you told me, we are walking back. I called you out in front of the moms, and I said, can we just acknowledge? I like to be publicly acknowledged. I know. And I said, we were walking back. You know, it's 11 o'clock at night. Our dogs are barking.

We're walking alongside where there's gators and snakes back to our hotel. And I said, guys, can we just take a moment to acknowledge Danny Austin here, who, without, we wouldn't be here and who led us fearlessly well to see every single park with no square footage of this park not seen. Not seen. Through her navigation, the path that she created for us. Thank you, babe. I appreciate that.

You know something else I was shocked about Disney was how much fun I had. I have to be totally honest. This was probably a hot take in the past, but I didn't say it. I was like kind of a Disney hater. Yeah. I was like, Disney World's so lame. It's so crowded. The rides are probably not.

I stand corrected. And I want to apologize to everyone. I was wrong. Disney World is amazing. And if you haven't taken that trip with your kids, it is probably the best trip I've ever taken with my kids. I've never seen my kids so happy. And it was just, it was magical.

It truly has a magical place. And a lot of people are probably worried about the exhaustion that your kids face. But like, let me tell you. Just let it happen. It's so worth it. Give them an ice cream cone. Or seven. Or seven.

Let them eat three. Three backs of Cheetos. That's what we did. They're running on junk food adrenaline and the Holy Spirit. Did you think it was crazy how we would have like the most wild day? They'd be screaming like so tired at the, you know, when we were leaving like around seven or eight. But then we'd get back to the hotel and it's like they had the second win. Yeah, he's like flipping off couches.

Yeah. Yeah, I will say this. I'm going to say, I'm going to focus on the positive of Disney first and then I'm going to go into one kind of suss thing about Disney. Oh, okay. But the positives is, you know, we were talking about this before the podcast. And we'll get into Beyonce in a second, but there are two kind of moments in my life that I feel like truly just changed the entire paradigm of who I am. Yeah. Number one, Beyonce's formation.

It was just, we did love that. I don't like her new song. We'll talk about a second. But like formation was just pivotal culture for me. Number two is I really feel that there is a period of my life before I rode Guardians of the Galaxy. and after I wrote Guardians of the Galaxy. And let me just like say, we wrote it six times. Yeah, we did.

And, you know, we got on the first two times that we wrote it, we got the song, everybody wants to take over the world. Yes, so you get a lot. So if you're not familiar with the ride, you have to ride it. You go to Disney World just to ride this ride. It is the best roller coaster in the country. Yeah. But they basically swap between six different songs and everyone's like, oh, I got Congo or I got September.

allegedly the two best songs that you can get are September by Earth, Wind and Fire, and then everybody wants to take over the world by tears of fear. I'm telling you, I listened to September and I closed my eyes when we were home. And I imagined every turn of the ride and every like, you know, bit of G-Force. And I'm telling you, we got the best song twice. Twice. On our first runs. Our first run, we got the best song, too.

And so the coolest thing about that song, because you're going really fast. But the temple of that song is really slow. So it's almost eerie. It's a life-changing experience. I, you know, we wrote it six times. And towards like the fourth, fifth, sixth time we never got that song again. And you and I talked in line and we were like, man, isn't it sad that we're just trying to chase that first high? Yeah.

Of being so shock and awe of this experience. It was amazing. And the reason, so here's another thing about our first experience. So we stayed at the Grand Floridian. And this is why you should stay. at the Grand Floridian. On certain nights of the week, they open up the park after hours

to just the guest staying at the Grand Floridian. And so you basically have the park to yourself. So we closed down Guardians of the Galaxy where me land and live in Jordan. We're the only ones on the roller coaster. We got it all to ourselves. And so Jordan and I sat front row too. Yeah.

And it was just like euphoric. Front row nine. And row nine. Tell them about that debate. So on Guardians of the Galaxy, which is just the most insane, it costs $500 million to build this roller coaster. It's all in pitch black, but you guys, you feel like you're in space. That's the coolest thing about the roller coasters at Disney is they're all like in buildings, essentially. When we announced that we were going on Guardians of the Galaxy, a lot of you guys DM'd me and said,

row nine is the best. You have to get on row nine, which row nine is the second to last row. And so I think the reason why people like it is in the little cart, you're in the front row of the last cart, if that makes sense. And I think when you sit in the back of a roller coaster, you feel like you're going a lot faster. You feel the wind. You feel all the things. So Doran and I were like, okay, we're going to do some AB testing. And we sat front row.

We sat row nine. Y'all, front row. Front row all day, every day. I'll go to my grave saying it. I don't care what Reddit says. Yeah. Front row is the most magical experience of Guardians of the Gallo. I'll never forget it.

I know. All I really want to do is like we're going to Ulta FLC in Orlando. And I want to take the whole Divi company. You just take them on Guardians of the Galaxy. And just take them on Guardians of the Galaxy. Because it's like, you know, when you experience something so great and you just want someone else to experience it too? That's all I want.

I have to be honest with you. That was like my, I have two favorite rides. It was tied with Pandora. Oh my gosh. I got so sick. That ride was insane. So Pandora is at Animal Kingdom. And guys, I don't even know how to explain to you the setup of this ride.

Because it's one of those like 4D experiences, but you're basically on this, like it looks like a bicycle. And you're in these little, I don't know, cubbies. Yeah. And then the cubby opens up and it opens up to this huge IMAX screen. When I say huge, I mean. Like it's the whole room. It's the whole room and the room is massive. And you're kind of leaning over the edge. So you're like really high up.

And it's a 4D experience. So you feel like you were actually flying. So as you're looking at this screen, your bike is moving up and down, water is splashing at you. You feel the breeze. You feel the air. You smell things. It is the most also euphoric experience.

But a lot of people get really sick on it because you, like there's a lot of motion. You get like motion sickness. I have to say like I think. Like, I think that might have beat Guardians for me. That's crazy to me. Yeah. That seems like heresy. It was, I did it.

You know what's weird about this? This is what's different about Guardians of the Galaxy. I liked it better my second time. Yeah. Pandora. Pandora. Yeah. Anyway.

Well, I mean, you know, yeah, I would say there's the other kind of like, you know, surprising moment that just was like a very magical Disney experience for me is it's very weird. Yeah. But, you know, we've seen all the princess movies. All of them. I know all the soundtracks. I know everything. And, you know, as a dad, when you start watching these princess movies or they're on in the background, they replay a hundred times over, you start to, like, realize what your favorite song is.

And my favorite song is Touch the Sky from Brave, but it's slept on. It's a slept on Disney song. When did we even hear that song? Oh, at the fireworks? At the fireworks show. So, like, you know, it's like kind of playing Lion King. And I'm like, okay, cool fireworks show, et cetera. And the moment that touched the sky from Brave came on,

I mean, my eyes might have welled up a little bit because I'm holding Stella. It's my favorite song. I'm like, it just captured the magic of Disney so well for me. That fireworks show was beautiful. Yeah. It's just like I love that they gave an ode to, what is it, Scotland. Yeah. Yeah.

Really passionate. Yeah. No, I mean, we had the best experience. And some people DM'd me actually or commented on my last Instagram. I asked people for like good Disney hacks. And people had some pretty good Disney hacks. You know what most people said that we should have done that we didn't do? Is a lot of people take like a rest day.

So you go like. Smart. Yeah, you go to the park. You take a day off because apparently there's like a lot of fun stuff to do around Orlando. Like kayaking. There's good restaurants. There's other fun things that go like lay by the pool. And then like everyone was like you have to take a rest day.

I was like, oh, we just kind of like powered through it. Yeah, I just powered through it. Yeah, my trainer today was like, did you go to Universal theme park? And I was like, are you insane? Way is Universal there too? Yeah, in Orlando. I was like, are you absolutely insane? I was like, I wouldn't have survived. There's no way. I wouldn't have come home. You know what I think my best hack was, is buying those shoe inserts for everyone. That was a great hack. These shoe inserts saved my life. And the craziest thing is I took my hocus. And like, I was just like, I'm going to walk. Guys, my feet couldn't stand it even in the hocus. I needed a. I needed a. extra support. But you know, I have like kind of a flat foot. So I'm like nearly flat footed. Anyway, the inserts are like 10 bucks. You get them from Target. I highly recommend. Actually, I feel like I should just put them in my shoes in general, especially like the Nike dunks because they're so flat. But they're so, you know, if you want to have like cute shoes, buy the inserts. A lot of people also said this was like another really good hack was to plan out like eight things that you want to do at each park because anything more than that is probably not

possible. You just are going to walk out feeling like a failure. Like a failure. Yeah. So a lot of people said, okay, just do eight things, which I feel like that's even a lot, to be honest. Did they say anything about bringing your own food in? Somebody said to freeze a water bottle and that way, like, but I mean, there's so many water bottles you can buy there. I was like, that seems like a lot of extra work. Yeah.

Freeze a water bottle so that like when you do pick it up, you know, it's cold. But there's, I mean, Disney, the one thing about Disney is like, it is so clean. They're very thoughtful. They also had, I have two hacks of my own. At each park they have a baby care station. So one of our babies had an accident and went potty in their panties. And we did not have any extra like undies or diapers or anything. But they actually have baby care stations where you can go and like breastfeed, take care of your baby, change your diaper.

So we did that. We got to buy Stella some pull-ups. My other good hack was the, this one was amazing, was the switchback. The stroller switchback. Yeah. So when you, like we did this on, when we were at Hollywood Studios and we did the Tower of Terror, my mom really wanted to go, Tammy really wanted to go, everyone wanted to go, but we had the kids. Well, you can sign up for a switchback where my mom stayed out and then one other person could ride the ride twice.

And on the second turn, like, you know what I mean? So you get, and so some of us got to ride, like, each ride twice. Yeah, that's how we rode Guardian so many times. Yeah. It was like, we were fighting over the switchback. The switchback. And honestly, they were so cool. Like, I don't think this is an official policy, but sometimes they were so cool that they were like, okay, like, you guys both can go.

Yeah, they even let, like, there was one time where they let the whole group go twice. Right. So, yeah, it was just a magical trip. I just need a foot massage now. Yeah, the only, so the only downsides to Disney. One is easy. The other is a little bit more deep conspiracy complex. The one downside is like, I never knew that it was like going to be like theme park food.

So like I was trying to eat healthy. Like that was my goal. I was like, I'm going to walk 20,000 steps a day because like I'm trying to like do this whole thing where I'm like trying to hit sort of. Your macros. My macros. And I would say that when I was stuck eating a Caesar salad at Disney, like it was tough on me. Yeah. It was tough. See, I like the salads. I know you didn't. Really? Yeah. No. I mean, it's just like, they have a lot of food, but not a lot of like healthy food. Yeah. I ate like a vegan hot dog and I ate a

Caesar salad. Which was the vegan hot dog was pretty good. Yeah, it wasn't bad. Plant-based hot dog. It wasn't bad. You couldn't tell which one was which. Yeah. The other thing that I was blown away by was when you first walk into the park and you're scanning your ticket. Yeah. They make you put your fingerprint down. You did not like that at all. I did not like that. Landon was with me on this one. Landon only uses his pinky finger. Yeah, he'll use his pinky finger. And I was like, okay, so if you're going to murder someone, you're going to like, you know, use your pinky or something or avoid your pinky. But I just thought that was so bizarre and weird. It kind of felt like how at airports out of nowhere, no one told us, they started making you stand in front of that camera.

Yeah. And they take your picture. And they're like, don't worry. Like it has a disclaimer. Like, don't worry, we delete it after. And I'm like, bull crap. Yeah. You're totally not deleting it. But I was trying to like figure out why. they were needing our fingerprints. Do you have any idea? To be honest, whatever they say the reason is, I'm not going to believe. Well, listen. I'm like, I'm sure it's like, oh, so you can't, like, sell your tickets or something. Like, I just don't believe that. There's probably other ways to avoid. Yeah. Like, it seems very sketch that they need. Can I ask you something? Well, before you say that, that's what the Washington Post, CNN, Fox News. That's what they're all reporting. But let me tell you,

Let me tell you who has the truth. Okay. The mouse trap news. See, this sounds reliable. Undercover inside sources say that while they say it's so that you can't sell your tickets, there's no proof of this, but they say that they're selling it to the FBI. They're selling our fingerprints. Can I ask you something?

Documenting our children in an FBI database. Can I ask you something? So what's like the end game of this? Like why would the FBI? want all up so that they can like, I don't know, set us up for murders that we didn't do. Like what's... Ooh, that's good, babe. Like, are they going to blackmail us and be like, Danny?

Danny, like, we saw that you were here at this certain time. Like, we found your fingerprint on the car. Well, I think that like, okay, so I think that when murders happen, they always dust for fingerprints. Yeah. But some fingerprints are like, I guess not in a database maybe. But do they take fingerprints like when you're born? I remember they took our fingerprints in.

kindergarten. Dang. And they took them all. This has been going on for years. Yeah. But like, so, but that's my question. It's like, okay, so why do they want our fingerprints? Like, what is it for?

I don't know. I don't know. Will we ever know the truth? Well, when we're in trouble for something that we didn't do. But like, here's the thing is that, you know, a lot of people may be outraged about this, but I just, I left my iPad in Florida. I didn't tell you. Yeah.

Because I would not have been happy about that one. So I didn't. Jordan has this thing where he forgets something everywhere we go. You also forgot your phone charger. I grabbed it next to the bed. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, I had to get a new iPad.

So I got a new iPad the other day. And when I was doing, setting it up, it makes you put your thumbprint now, your fingerprints, just to get into the iPad. Yeah, it's been doing that for a while.

Right. So my whole point was like, I'm not going to not ride Guardians of the Galaxy because you need my fingerprint. I'm like, at this point, I'm like, just take me.

Take everything from me. Yeah. If you're screwed, like we're all screwed. We're all screwed. We'll all find our way together. Yeah, but I did think that that's, that was weird. And I do think that the journalist at the Mousetrap news are probably on to something and they should keep digging. Yeah.

Let us know what you find. Speaking of something like really weird that happened this past week while we were gone is, did you know that there's a rumor that you're in the Illuminati? We, sorry, we are in the Illuminati. You're telling you found out. They know now. Yeah, it was kind of interesting because I was a little bit honored. Yeah, like, I'm like, wait, cool. I was like, wait, cool.

Like, you think that I'm, I'm that. I'm cool enough. Like, I'm in the club. Well, what if we were and we were just like lying right now? People probably would think that. Yeah, well, the, so our friend who's in the industry, like one of the husbands texted and was like, hey, just so you know we got this comment that like you and three other bloggers are suspected to be in the Illimani.

He was kidding. He was a good joke. Yeah, I mean, he sent it and I, and I texted back and I go, this is really offensive because I actually turned down their invitation. But a lot of the other, like, bloggers didn't really know what it was. Yeah. And so I was like explaining it to them. And, you know, when you think about it as a whole, I think like 15% of America believes

in the Illuminati. Yeah. And I'm like kind of on the fence. I don't think it's called the Illuminati, but I do. think that there's like elite groups in Hollywood that coordinate together. But I think it's probably a little bit more informal. Yeah. Then is believed. Like I don't know if I'm into like believing that they do the rituals and drink blood and all that kind of stuff. So to be in the Illuminati is it super secret? Like you can't tell anyone. Yeah. That's the other thing is like if guys if I just need to

publicly acknowledge to the camera that I'm not in the Illuminati. I've, I love secret societies. But like honestly, if I was in it, I would get kicked out because I would tell everyone the next day that I was in it. Like I can't, that's probably why I was not good at being in a fraternity is like, I'd be like, can you believe what they did to me at Rush? Like, here's what happened. Like, I can't keep secrets because I just, yeah, I would think it was so cool. But if I do get in, I promise I would only go in. I promise I would tell you.

As a mole to take it down from the inside. Like, I'm anti-establishment. I'm like, I'm honored that you think I'm cool enough, but like, I'm also so hurt because I've been so publicly against the establishment on this podcast. But anyway, you know what? What got you in trouble is they said that you covered your eye. Oh, when? I think you did it on like a dibby shoot. And so basically the person who pieced all this together went back to a bunch of bloggers photo shoots.

And like, you know, I think one was like dibs and like some girl was like covering her eye with like dibs. And then with the hair vitamin, you remember you put it up to your eye. And so, and I'm like, oh, man, this is like what happens to celebrities. And so, like, I think that, and oh, when Stella was at Bipity Boppy Boop, she had her wand. And this is like what hate does to you is like she had her wand and she covered her eye with her wand. So Stella's in the Illuminati too. How come she didn't tell me? I know.

That's what I'm saying is it's crazy. But that was a funny thing that happened. I'm just going to be honest with you. When you're posing for a hair vitamin, there's not a lot of. poses you can do around your face. She did a lot of them and we were like, Danny, it looks like you're taking Molly at a race. Yeah, yeah.

There were somewhere they were like sticking off of my tongue. It was like, no, we can't do that. And then like their other one, I looked like Elizabeth Holmes, you know, with her photo shoot. Like there was just, so just to be honest, that's really what happened, but I'm honored as well. It's been a big week for your girl, Taylor. Yeah.

Should we touch on Grammys? Like, how did you feel she gave Jack Antonoff a hug? I have so many thoughts. A lot of people, first of all, should we cover now in the podcast? Because I was driving to the mall the other day. And Jordan called me. And he just like slyly mentioned. He's like, yeah, like, I think on the podcast I talked about that one time I met Jack Antonoff.

And I was like, what? You've met Jack Antonoff? Like I was shook. My jaw hit the floor. So I was like, wait, say it for the podcast. So should I tell my thoughts about the Grammys first? Or do you want to go into like the time that you met Jack Antonoff? I've been talking a lot and I'm scared of what people think about that.

So why don't you tell and then I'll tell my story. Because you've never heard the story of how I know Jack Antonoff. No, I have no idea. I didn't know. Do you know him? I know. Shut up. Do you have his number?

No, no, no. Nothing like that. I don't know him. Sorry. I don't want to set myself up for a bad joke. No, I do not know him, but I have met him. And it was a very strange occurrence. Okay. Okay. So I'll just go over the Grammays really fast. Two main things that stick out to me, maybe three. Okay, so Taylor won best album of the year. Again, I think it was her fourth time, which is like no other artist has ever done that. So she's breaking records, mad respect. Jay-Z was such a good. a loser. Oh, this is a hot take. When he went up on stage and basically called out the Grammys and all the

people, the Academy or whatever you call it, you know, calling out his wife who's won the most Grammys. I think she's won like 32 Grammys in her lifetime. Taylor Swift has won, I think, 13, 14, maybe 15 now. And calling out how, you know, Beyonce has won so many Grammys, but she's never won album of the year. I'm like, dude, she's won 32 Grammys. It's not like they haven't acknowledged her. And why are you taking this opportunity on stage to talk about something that really doesn't mean anything? Like, if you really just take like a step back and you look at the big picture, it's like, who cares? But that's what you're going to talk about in front of when you have, you know, five minutes on stage talking to the world, that's what you're going to talk about.

If I, it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing for her mostly. And he said, he was like, I don't want to embarrassed my wife over here, but. But then he did it. But he did it. And it's like, dude, like she, we all know she's successful. And like, we all know that she, she's one the most great reason of anyone. Like, yeah. And so, I don't know. I just really did, I did not think it was very classy. I didn't like it. It just came out as very, like, whiny and unappreciative. And here's the thing. At the end of the day, like, they're awards. They don't really mean anything. You're not going to be able to take any of these things to, like, heaven with you. It's just an award. Like, just get over it. I'm taking formation with Let me tell you that much.

That's the soundtrack in heaven, I think, which is probably pretty sacrilegious. You hate it's corny with the Illuminati. Stop it. It takes me to it too good of a place. Jordan starts twerking. It was kind of a classless move. On Taylor's part? On Taylor's part, in my opinion, to launch that album.

It just was like, hey, you know that all eyes are on you. You know that you have an issue here. Like, ew, I do not agree with what you're saying. Really? I don't think it was classless. I think it was smart. And it's like, dude, she earned it. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Like, people that complained about Taylor launching her album on, like, the night that everybody else is supposed to be celebrated is, once again, it's just giving, like, losery vibes. Like, just like, if you want to do it, then you go do it. Like, put in the work like she did, you know, and then go do, you have control over your narrative. It's not like Taylor is, is.

pushing other people down. In fact, all she's doing is bringing other artists around her, constantly supporting Lana Del Rey, Ice Spice. She was standing up, like, the entire time Olivia Rodriguez is performing when everybody else is sitting down. Like, all she's doing is supporting other artists. Lana Dorei was also nominated for Best Album of the Year. And she brought Lana Del Rey up on the stage with her when Taylor Swift won.

It's just giving such, like, loser vibes. Like, like, let, if you can't, like, If you can't embrace the start-um, then, like, you probably aren't, like, meant for the industry. And maybe you should just quit. Wow. That's extreme. Like, it's just, like, so, she's not doing anything harmful or hurting anyone else. I truly feel like she's helping other people.

You have Post Malone on her new album, who is a little bit smaller of an art. I mean, he's huge, you know. Yeah. She has all these collaborations that she's always doing to support all these other people. Like, I just, she's doing great by other artists, in my opinion. Yeah, she is. I think that, okay, so you met someone, don't say her name, but you met someone who had met her before. And do you remember what she said about Taylor Swift?

Oh, yeah. So she said that she was really good. I'm going to paraphrase. Yes, yes. Okay, I remember. What did she say about Taylor Swift? She said that Taylor Swift is very diligent. She has a person essentially like an assistant that when Taylor meets new people, she will like write notes about you.

Like if I were to meet her at an industry event or something, she'd be like Danny Austin, mom of two, blogger. Like we'll follow up with like a handwritten note after she meets these people, send them gifts. When she's on set, like she bakes cookies for everyone on set. Like she's just people that have met her that we know. And like these, they're very connected in those circles. Say that she is just genuinely a good person. Now I think she's quirky. She made a slight comment though.

Yeah. She goes, you go, isn't she so nice or something? And she said something along the lines of like she is very good at strategizing her image. of being nice. Yeah, I mean, but like, dude, come on. I know, that's what, that's what I'm torn about. It's like when she's going to these events and stuff, like she's not hanging out with her good buddies.

Like, she's going to into a room where everyone is analyzing her every move. It's not like, you know what I mean? That has to be really challenging. And so at least she's doing the right thing, like in the best way that she can. So I think the haters on Taylor Swift will want to say like, you're not authentic. This is all about like your image. you know, this is all strategic for you.

And I would agree with that to a large, I think 80 to 90% of her actions are strategic. Yeah. Even like her inviting Ice Spice and like her Lana Del Reystah. That was weird to invite her to Super Bowl. So like I think all of that is strategic, but you still have to credit her for playing the game the best out of anyone. She's playing the game.

She's playing the game. She's playing the game. When everybody else is just being a bum on a log. Like you see Justin Bieber and Haley Bieber at the Super Bowl. they looked so unhappy. They look miserable. Everybody's on their phone the entire time. When Taylor Swift is out there with her friends,

enjoying the moment, at the end of the day, like, she's winning because she's having fun. Like, and everybody else is just pissed at her or, like, just judging her.

And it's like, you're probably more miserable just talking about her and how much you hate her than she is. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah,

I get it. So, so I met Jack Antonon. This is like the story that I'm like on the edge of my seat about. It's honestly like, it's not a, as cool as probably I make it seem.

And just to those y'all that don't know, Jack Antonoff, like, is her partner in crime. They write all of their songs together. Yeah. Did he produce her album? I think so. I think he's her producer. But so back in middle school,

there was a small, like, emo label called Drive-Thru Records. Did you ever know Drive-Thru Records? No. Is it based out of Austin? I was kind of, like, no. But I was, like, kind of like a hip-shirt kid. Well, because you all know, Jordan used to be a musician. He played a song for me that he wrote on our like third date.

Do you remember that the guitar? Yeah, no, it was a good song. That song slapped. It was very, um. Do you remember I used to have the harmonica holder and I would play the harmonical while playing the acoustic guitar? I thought it was so cute. It wasn't bad at it.

No, you were very fulky. Yeah, very fulky. You were so confident. The fact that you're just like sitting there on the sofa is singing me a song like on our third date. Like, I remember listening to it thinking, this is kind of odd, but I think I'm into it. Like, but like I knew of like any of my friends were like watching me in that room. It would have been like, you know, I say this is a good thing. I think a lot of that, I think my brother and I are the same way. And it's because no matter what we did, our parents thought we were amazing. Yeah. And so it really

propelled us into the world to, like, you're so confident. To be confident. But then sometimes it created moments where we had to very much be humbled because we were like, oh, wait. Well, and that's what I love about you and probably the story that you're about to say about Jack Antonoff is like, even since the day I met Jordan, he was so confident even like this, like, the way he used to dress is so funny. But Jordan would walk up to the most famous, most successful person in the room and just start talking to them and just like own the room. Like no shame. I would be too embarrassed. I'd be like, babe, do you know who that is? And you're like, I don't care.

like Jordan just like doesn't care and he was just very confident it's really I still have that switch but I have to turn it on it's harder to turn on these days yeah I think as we get older we just anyway so so drive-through records is a small like indie label it had like newfound glory if you remember them and so for whatever reason like all the older brothers like in my friend group were like into drive-thru records like we're all like hipster kids in rockwall Texas and we were like oh drive-thru it's the best label ever so we'd always go to the other brothers like in my friend group were like into drive-thru these shows, well, there was a band on Drive-Thru Records called Steel Train. Have you ever heard of Steel Train? I have not. Steel Train was Jack Antonop's first band with his high school friends. That's so sweet. Okay. So we went to a small venue. Do you remember the door in Dallas? Oh, of course. The door was like where all of the screamo bands that had like 20. I did see Jesse McCartney there one time. Okay, that's big. But like I think this was like pre-expansans. of the door. So like every concert that I would go to at the door maybe had like 50 people. Yeah.

That were there. And so it was definitely like, it was like an indie rotation. And so we went and saw this band called Steel Train that we absolutely loved. And Jack Antonoff was the lead singer. Well, we loved him so much that we knew like all of the lyrics and the songs. And I don't know if you knew this, but did you know that Jack Ansonoff used to date Scarlett Johansson? That's hard for me to envision. So none of them are famous. This is pre-Taylor-Soo for him, and this is pre-fame for Scarlett Johansson.

Oh, wow. So this is like high school. You can go and Google Jack Antonoff, Scarlett-Johansen prom pictures, and you can find prom pictures with Jack Antonoff and Scarlett Johansson. I cannot envision this. It's a small world, right?

So we had known that one of their better songs is a song called Better Love. Okay. And in the song, he writes about how Scarlett Johansson became famous and changed and shunned all of their high school friends. Oh, wow. So the lyrics in the song are Scars are in her name and she scars me with pain. So good. Hey, Scar, no, it's, hey, Scar, you're not the same. Yeah, that's him. Oh, my gosh. So, so Scarlet Johansson becomes this mega movie star and Jack Antonoff, just imagine this. Jack Antonov's in this

like, you know, small indie band that like no one's ever heard of, right? So he's, that's hard on him. Like, that's his high school sweetheart. Yeah. And so we go up to him at the House of Blues. And every time we would meet bands, the difference between my friend Hunter Beecham and I is we would go and we'd be like, hey, when you wrote this lyric, did you mean this or like this? Yeah, like you want to know. And so we asked him about like, scars are in her name. We're like, hey, is this about Scarlet? And he was like, yeah, man, like it is. He was like, we're not really, we don't talk as much. It was a very political answer. But we like hung out with him for like five minutes and then, you know, he blows up. He goes on to fun, which is the band and then bleachers. And then now he's like the biggest producer

in music. And I always wonder if him and Scarlett Johansson have like ever talked again. Shook hands and been like, good game, good game. Like we both ended up somewhere. I think my, my gut is telling me no. He did get recently married. Yeah. Jack Antonoff. Yeah, I'm looking at these pictures. you all have to go Google pictures of Scarlett Johansson and Jack Antonoff. They look like totally different people. It's hilarious. Isn't that a crazy story though? That's a crazy story.

I can't believe as much as you love Taylor Swift, I can't believe I've never told you that story. I guess my biggest, do you know how Jack and Taylor got connected? No, I imagine, I think that she really genuinely appreciates like indie artists because she brought the panic at the disco guy

onto one of her tracks. I think that when fun and blueping, bleachers came out. Like, I think that Jack is, like, truly a very talented producer. Like,

yeah. You can't do steel train, which I don't really know about. And then fun. And then bleachers. Those were all, like, three really successful,

but very, like, unique, like genre bending, yeah, or genre different brands. And I feel like he had a really good ear for production.

I think that Taylor probably knew, hey, if I'm going to be a megastar for the long run, I have to bend genres. I have to go from country to this, to this, to this.

I think that post, the only other artists who I feel like is doing that, who now, Beyonce's late to the game. Like, I think she knows, like, I've got to bend my genre

if I'm going to appeal to a different audience. But I think she's too late. I think Post Malone is really good at this. Yeah. There's a lot of country artists that are kind of doing this too now. Like they're, they're country, but also kind of folky.

Yeah. Like that Zach Brian guy. Yeah. Or even like Noah Cahan kind of. Yeah. Noah Cahon is really good at it. Yeah. But you have to like almost beachhead

from like you can go country and then into pop Yeah. Or you can go pop into country. I think you get a little bit more like indie clout if you go pop into country. Yeah. Well, kind of like John Mayer as well. He went pop into more like almost like blues.

Yeah, but honestly blue in my opinion from like a hipster kid's point of view, blues does nothing for you. Well, but I agree. But I feel like he he like is doing what he wants to do now. Yeah, he's doing what he wants to do, but I think that, like, Post Malone is doing what he wants to do, but he like, because you can't be both, like, indie clout and mainstream clout. Like, there's me that listens to folk music,

and there's you that listens to the top 100 hits. We're two very different people. Like, you walk into my rooms of, like, folk people. Your songs are sad. They'll shun you out. They'll be like, this girl is not, like, she doesn't have good taste. No, let me tell you something. I don't have very good taste in music. I am, like, just such a class. top 100s. I like anything popular and like but it hits me hard. I do. Have you heard of this new kid that I've been obsessed with lately? His name is Benson. I think it's let me pull it up. I've seen this kid. Have you seen all of his Benson Boone? Have he seen his like TikToks and how he's using TikTok to like promote his song or he jumps over something and then there's two artists that are

killing the game at this like TikTok. Yeah. Sort of like low key thirst trap type of moves. It's like Benson Boone and then Forrest Frank. Yeah. But he's like doing it in like the Christian world. So like he. Smart because that's.

Dude, he's got these Christian girls who want to get married like probably all over. Which I think he's married with a kid. Yeah. Well, it's really funny. Like my brother who's also in the music industry. Sorry, Landon Austin's killing the game with this too. Yeah, Leon Austin. Lannon always said, you know, like a lot of artists start out in the Christian space because it's easier to get into.

But he said, because my brother's worked with like some Christian artists and Christian producers and everything. He says sometimes they're like the worst people. Oh, yeah. And they're just like it's very like maniacal. Like they're just there to like write these lyrics so that they can pop off in the Christian space. So then go into like, you know, a different realm genre of music. Yeah. But a lot of people like use Christian.

to get into the, to get into the rooms. It's hard. I mean, we could go down this ride home for. We won't go there. But Ben Zinbun, you like his new song, beautiful things? I've only seen the TikTok version of that. You all go listen to it. Walking through a field and screaming his lyrics.

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This one will be more focused on the Super Bowl. Well, the Super Bowl just happened. And there's so much to unpack there. My biggest thing is I actually wasn't, I didn't really watch the game so much. I would pop back in for the, and so this is just very on brand for me. I would pop back in just for the commercials

and just for like the Usher halftime performance. But anything regarding the actual Super Bowl game, you're going to have to speak to. Yeah, no. The only thing I know is that Travis Kelsey wasn't in and he yelled at his coach. Yeah, I'm not a big, like, NFL guy. And I would say that my, this was probably the most disinterested Super Bowl I've ever been. Well, I have to say, too, so we were invited to, like, a really fun Super Bowl party.

And the husband of the host got the flu. It was really selfish of him. And so we basically, like, we're left with no Super Bowl plans, like, kind of last minute. And then honestly, like, I was feeling like a little under the weather. So we didn't really do anything. And I feel like when you don't have that energy around you, you're just like, yeah, it's just a game. I think on the viral spiral, let's talk about the most obvious one since we both didn't

really watch the game, the halftime show. Yeah, I want to know what your thoughts are because from what I have seen online, people were not, I thought it was amazing. I almost shut a tear. Seriously? Yes. I just want to, first of all, before I get started with something, I want to put something into perspective. I'm going to Google. How old is Usher? Okay, he's 45. Yeah, I mean, he looks good for

45. He looks amazing. And here's one thing that will always talk on my heart and I will always root for someone when they are just so thankful to be there and so appreciative. And you know, he gave it his all. He gave it his all. Yeah. And he has some, like, major hits. He really does. Like the amount of like memories that popped up of me like on a dance floor grinding in like seventh grade like listening to those songs. It was so nostalgic. It was so it was so fun to watch. I thought he looked amazing. He took his shirt off.

I was like, you take your shirt off, Usher. You look good. And when he stopped in the middle and was like I, you know, they said I would never make it here. But mama, we made it. The song is for you. I almost cried. It was so sweet. See, but like you're doing that.

Like you've been around. for years. Like, do we still, are we still in the era where you need to thank your mama? Yeah, because he's performing at the Super Bowl, the most watched event. I thought that that was the most performative thing that he did. See, right now you're being just a hater. No, I know. I'm being cynical.

You're being cynical. I'm like, I'm being cynical. And I'm like, you thanked your mom to, like, convince us all that you're still relatable, but like. Jordan, that is such a hater comment. I know. I know. I need help.

And I loved the roller skating. It was so impressive. Yeah. I thought he, like, I think he did it such a great job. It was entertaining. It was heartfelt. Then he brought out Alicia Keys. Now, there was some chemistry there with Alicia Keys.

I was a little confused. Isn't she married? I feel like they both are married. But like, you know, I was like, oh, they're just performing. They kind of do. But like, if I would have been like, you know, Usher's girlfriend or fiancee, whatever she is right now, like I'd be a little jealous. You pissed.

But Alicia did great. I loved her outfit. She had, she was a little pitchy, but, you know, she's human. Aren't we all? Yeah. If I was performing, I would be pitchy too. Yeah. See, I can agree with you on some points.

I was last year, Rihanna? Yeah. Yeah, that was like iconic. I mean, I was never even a Rihanna fan. We've already talked about this multiple times before, but like, I was never a Rihanna fan, and she was just like, I was like, who is this person? I didn't even know that she had all those hits.

Yeah. And so if that's the bar, I feel like Usher came below the bar for me. Yeah. I think that there were a couple things that the internet wanted that if they would have just done those things. Justin Bieber coming out. Yeah, Justin Bieber coming out. I mean, you have like, you have Taylor Swift at the show.

I was a big believer in like, okay, Travis Kelsey's going to win the Super Bowl. His future wife makes a cameo appearance in the Super Bowl. Like, just a cameo. But she would never be able to do that. She was just performing for four days in Tokyo. When would she have time to her? Babe, she was like chugging beers in the suite. She was fine.

Get out there in the field and do a cameo. Because she would have had, there's no time she would have had to prepare for it. She was just having to get time. Also, I don't think she would have, like, stolen the spot. I think Travis would have loved it. I think he would have been like, you get up on stage girlfriend. Yeah, totally. So yeah, I just felt like who they have come out, like Lil Jon.

Lil' John, Ludacris, her. Her? Who's that? Her. Her? Her? She's a singer. Okay, you know that new?

You know that special on Disney? for like the 30th anniversary, maybe it was the 50th anniversary of Beauty and the Beast. Stella watches it. The bell is her. Whoa. Yeah. So she's a singer.

Uh-huh. Oh, interesting. In actress, yes. That's a fun fact. Yeah, no,

I thought that her was Northwest. I thought it was like Connie West daughter, North. Is she little? Like, she's like young though. But her is really like, young.

No, like Petit too. Oh, so funny. Yeah, no. So I just thought it was the, it wasn't my favorite. It didn't leave me with anything. I won't think about it tomorrow. I think I will never forget the roller skating.

That was pretty sweet. Like in his costume change into that outfit. I do appreciate that he's 45 and he's still able to like. That's amazing. Be cool like that. Do you think that Jen Ziers like thought the, the, okay, here's one thing I will say. I remember watching the Super Bowl halftime show when I was younger and being like, who the heck are these people.

Like, this is so lame. And my parents like fawning over who else. It's kind of a thing. It's like I remember being young and being like these are, I feel like the Super Bowl always chooses like kind of like older people. Yeah, they know their market. Like their demo is not Gen Z, right? And so I think that they like absolutely knew what they were doing.

I think they know every single year. I wish that they would appeal more. Like the internet is so youth, Gen Z. early millennial and then they're like appealing to like a late millennial yeah maybe boomer audience but i i think speaking of like another viral like my dad i just have to say if my dad was watching like last night my dad would be like that was amazing my dad would be like best show of my life he would call me but damn did you see usher out there you know he doesn't know who ludicrous little john her is none of those people but like you know my dad was like sitting there like shaking his

toe tapping his toes thinking this is amazing it just it makes us all feel young again yeah i think that um some appeal to gen z is did you see the joe biden post yeah so what's interesting is there were two videos that the president of the united states the president of the united states put out okay so number one was did you see his shrinkflation video that one no okay so he he puts out a video So like, and I think that this crosses like all political spectrum. So I think even like liberals and conservatives alike both agree on this. Like inflation is high. Like our employees feel it.

Like everyone feels it. So he puts out a video called shrinkflation. And it's basically about how there's less chips in your potato or your chip bags. Yeah. How they shrink the containers of ice cream. And so basically like they companies are charging the same for. or less, which is an inflation issue. Yeah.

Which I think like at least 80% of people believe that he costs. Yeah, but so he's just sitting there being like Jay-Z just complaining about it. It's the most out of touch thing. Yeah. And like, it's just like, who is this guy? Who is his social media team? No, it's probably him and he's off his rocker. You think he runs a social media account?

Well, I mean, it doesn't make sense that he'd post that video. I know. So, okay, so that's totally out of touch. that was his Super Bowl video. Well, then he turns around, he puts an absolute banger of a meme out. He posts the red-eye Joe Biden thing on, I think it was like Instagram, Twitter, whatever.

And so the conspiracy around this was that Taylor Swift, the chiefs winning, all of this was like a conspiracy, like a pre-programmed plan to promote Pfizer. So that's the conspiracy. Well, to combat us conspiracy. That is still not true. Yeah, it's a stretch.

Like there's, it's a stretch of a conspiracy. But to combat it and make fun of it, he puts out the red-eyed Joe Biden. Okay. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. But it's scary. It's the president of the United States. Like, like anyone else, like Dave Portnoy, Danny Austin, Jay Z, Taylor Swift, y'all can all put out like joke memes.

That's fine. But like, like, can the president? The president on the official account, I don't think so. but I will say that I'm just very confused. I don't know, it seems like he has two different teams running his socials. Yeah. But I think there's two. Like he has like some Gen Z assistant who's like this will be funny.

They're like, he's like, he's like, yeah, let's do it. Sam. He's like, I sure really got me in the mood. Let's do it. Yeah, yeah. Sam, the intern is like, just trust me. Yeah. Like this is going to slap.

And like somehow that got posted. But there's two like social media managers that I feel like are the most valuable social media managers in the country right now. Number one is whoever got that pushed up the levels of authority to get that Joe Biden red eye picture out. And then number two is whoever is at UT Austin, who immediately after Taylor so dropped her album cover. What did he go? They say it was like a picture of Bivo, the mascot for UT that said the, the tortured. Like Bivo department. Yeah, the tortured Bivo society. But it was so quick. Like whoever is on that is like they're the most valuable social media managers in the country. That's what I have a really hard time doing with my own

solutions is being so relevant, so quick. And that's a, that's a pure art. It's an art. It's like an always on art form and your brain has to kind of like operate. The people who can do that, their brains operate at a different level than the normies. Yeah, they truly do. Like they understand the pulse of society very quickly. They understand how the internet's tones shift very quickly. And then they can like perfectly like thread the needle yeah right in there to differentiate all the commentary from themselves and like they're like oh I know that this will either cause enough controversy to go viral or this will like be the perfect joke in this climate to go viral it's it's pretty balzy about Biden's post like do they think it's funny I think at this point he has to do like purely

objective like not taking a political stance I think that he has to do anything and everything in his power to try and like win people back. I think that like I've never seen I've never felt a democratic politician be who has essentially the entire media on their side. Yeah. Be this hated. Hated. And like this like your old like both sides. Yeah like both sides like liberals and conservatives are both like what is this? Yeah. So I think he's like throwing some Hail Marys. But I think that whoever that Gen Z kid is is a genius. It made him a little more relatable slash likable. Yeah. For a lot of people.

Yeah. I mean, it got me some points back. And I'm like, I'm like, okay, this maybe he's good. But everyone knows that it's not him running in. What was your favorite commercial? Did you see the Setafel commercial? You know, I actually didn't. It is so sweet.

Was it with Michael Sarah? No, no. So there was that one. That was Sarah V. There was Sarah V. but no the set of fill commercial i think it was set of film not serrivi um was about basically a taylor swift and how she's brought dads and daughters back together and like gives them something to connect on what it was so wholesome and they they basically the whole commercial like was about how like this

dad and daughter are like disconnected and the dad keeps trying to get his daughter i have the chills just about this dad keeps trying to encourage his daughter to watch football, buys her jersey, you know, keeps checking, but she's just like, comes into her room, she's doing her makeup in front of a mirror, she's putting on her skin care, and she's like, you know, listening to Taylor Swift. And then, you know, as she's in a room doing her, her skincare, she hears, like, on the TV. Well, there she is, ladies. She just arrived to the stadium, which they're referring to Taylor Swift, and you see the daughter peep out and go sit next to her dad and spend time with her dad and watch the game together.

And it was so wholesome and so sweet. And it's so true. I feel like this whole thing has just, and we're not going to go down on Taders of Ramp, but it just brought so many people together. Let me tell you something. So creative. If this is the work, what's her publicist name?

Tree Paine. If this is the work of Tree Paine, she is the most maniacal genius, genius publicist in the entire world. If she had even a slight fingerprint on this ad, I bow to her. I'm like she's so genius. I think the one thing that like,

okay, so I think Taylor Swift is smart and I think that Tree Pain is, you know, maybe a little maniacal. But I think anyone that's a true 50 knows that she writes from her heart and like we've seen that in the past. That's true. We know that she does.

And I think that's why anyone that's like a true 50 was always new. This wasn't a conspiracy. This isn't like, some, you know, initiative where they're working with Biden to try to promote Biden. Like, there's no, like, there, yes, they probably have things that they agree on that they're going to promote, but there wasn't, like, an alternative reason why they're, there's genuinely in love.

Yeah. And I, like, at the end of the day, like, I think just like whenever there's, like, authenticity or she's genuine, like, really great stories come from it, like this moment from, from Setafield. Yeah. So you're, you're the proponent of, like, given. Yeah, just given to the wholesomeness. Like, it is wholesome. Like, then let it happen.

Like, I think she really is in love with the star player for the chiefs. Like, it just is what it is. You've got a star dating a star. Like, just let it happen. Yeah, but being skeptical. He's a little hot head. You see him yell at his coach? I did see that.

Is that a red flag to you? Are you worried about Taylor? I have so many thoughts about this. Oh, wow. I mean, it digs deep into my childhood. I'm shocked by your reaction to this. Okay. I want to hear it all.

Okay. So I was an athlete growing up. I played every single sport known to mankind. My parents were very involved in my sporting events. The biggest criticism I would receive from my parents was I typically was not like aggressive enough. Like I didn't seem, like I seemed scared or timid. And I'm going to be straight up honest with you.

Like I played sports because I felt like I had to, but I was scared a lot of times. Like I would be like pretty good. Like I was starting maybe, I was going to say starting quarterback, point guard for the basketball team. But I didn't really want to be starting point guard. Like I don't want that pressure. I wanted to do well just so I could say I did well, but I didn't actually like enjoy the game, you know,

because I couldn't take the pressure. It was too much. So I would be like out there like scared and timid. And then I would start playing and I'd be pretty good just because genetically I think I was like decent. But like the biggest criticism I received from my parents was like, you seem scared and you seem like you don't want to be out there, like, go, like, be excited and get out there and, you know. And so it's so funny because I remember, like, my parents sometimes

bringing up, like, other girls on the soccer team or other girls on the volleyball team, when we would lose a point, they would hit the ground and be so angry and we would lose a point. I'd be like, okay, like, I didn't really care because I just didn't really care. And so when I see Travis Kelsey reacting that way to Andy Reed, no, it is not right. But it's like, that's what my parents always wanted me to be. You're like, that was like Susie Q. That was. Susie Q was always mad.

That was like, no, there was a girl named Caroline Weir. She was really good. She ended up playing volleyball at OU. And she's just amazing. And her and I were kind of the same height. We always played the same sports. And Caroline just cared so much. I mean, she was an amazing athlete.

And like I could have probably been just as good as her, but I just, I was scared and I didn't really care as much. And so when I saw Travis Kelsey acting light, I was like, there's Caroline Weir. So I'm confused. That's who my mom and dad always wanted me to be. I understand the trigger. So.

And so when I look at him, like, that guy wants to win the Super Bowl. You got to have respect for it because he cares. He wants to be out on the field. He's not just sitting back. like eating bonbons. Like, no, it's never right to yell at your coach. But I think that what people don't understand about these sports is it's really easy to sit back and watch them and judge and be like, oh, you shouldn't have do that.

But these guys are out on the field smashing into each other. There is a lot of emotion that goes into the sport. And there's a lot of, like, you're like your heart rate and everything like you're going up and down, up and down. And then you expect someone to sit on the sidelines and not still carry that. same aggression over to the sidelines. Like it just, yes, he should have controlled himself, but I feel like you have to give these guys a little bit of grace

because it's a lot. Like it's a lot of testosterone and all these like emotions also on the, and I think he just exploded the same way you want him to explode on the field. He exploded on the sidelines. I think that's a very like fair take. I know. For you personally though, it triggered you in a good way. Did you look at Travis Kelsey and you're like,

that's who I never was in sixth grade on the bus. I don't think it's ever right to yell at your coach, so I don't think it, like, triggered me in a good way. But I was like, I don't know, part of me was like, that guy just wants to win and you got to respect it. I think to be fair, the coach, Andy Reid brushed it off. And he was like, these guys kiss, keep me young. They're like family.

He was like, I would have pushed him back, but I lost my footing. Love that. Because they know, you have to understand, like, these football players, the way they, sometimes they're like big kids. They're like big kids. And even the way that they celebrate after a touchdown. Like I saw Travis Kelsey go up. hug another player after I'm like are they fighting like they look like they're like bro you know

they're punching each other in the chest like these guys the way that they like they like use their emotion and and use their body is just so different than like the average person and so you have to have you seen that meme where it's like Taylor Swift after she started dating uh like a big football and she's like doing their her handshake with jack and off like so aggressively like yeah it's just a different body language that athletes have. This is like a whole tangent that I don't even know if we should go down, but it's got to be hard after like Jason Kelsey just retired. Yeah.

Like when you're so used to having an outlet to pour all of that energy out into. Yeah. And then you retire. And then you retire. Like you can't like you can't just like go fight people. Like you can't. Yeah. Like where do you funnel that energy?

I remember someone in our industry whose husband was like in the NFL like she was talking about how went through such a depression. A lot of them, a lot of guys do. When, when you get out of that because you are used to, like, training at this time, like your whole job is to... Structured. Keep your body in shape, be structured, et cetera, that... Performing.

When? If they get married, here's my only thing is, like, if they get married, Travis Kelsey and Taylor, and Taylor, Taylor's got, like, 10 more years in her. Like, she's not going to stop. And she doesn't really have to retire. Like, when you're a football player, you do hit a physical limit, and artists don't. Yeah. And so, like, is that...

going to be like really hard on their marriage i thought about that a lot it it makes me wonder if because i think that taylor i think she's a three on the enneagram i think that she wants to be married to someone else that like is successful in their own way yeah is the podcast is his personal brand is that going to be enough for him even as because we go through this like in our industry a lot like a lot of the i feel like i'm mentoring a lot of them right now like a lot of the instagram husbands who switch over from having full-time jobs to then being in this space a lot of time. There's a lot of ego healing and pride that has to be let go of to give your wife in so many ways like the kind of spotlight and to be okay with that and to understand that provision can

look like a lot of different things. Yeah. And so will that be enough when she's literally the most famous person in the world for him to truly feel secure enough to sustain their marriage? Because what happens is behind the scenes, you know, and this is like sometimes unintentional is like, I think that it, the natural tendency for a man who's insecure in that position is to stomp out the fire of the female because it's like, oh, like, I don't want you to shine because like I'm insecure. Like the more that you shine, the more I feel insecure. Yeah. But I feel like Taylor's not going to be into that. Yeah.

I mean, I think the smartest thing that both the Kelsey brothers have done is create a brand outside of football for themselves. Yeah. Like there's so many different ways they can take it now. I don't know what, like, his passion would be outside. He'll probably go into, like, being a commentator. He'll probably keep up his podcast. He'll probably become, like, an influencer in a sense. Yeah.

You know, it's just like an icon for being married to Taylor Swift. Yeah. But you're so good at this exercise. What do you think Travis Kelsey after he retires? Let's say he's married to Taylor Swift. What do you think Travis Kelsey should do with his brand? He should go into fashion. That's so smart.

See? Like if he becomes like a fashion house or a fashion icon. Like yes. And then him and Taylor, because that's one space that Taylor has not tackled. I'm gonna be honest. That's genius. You heard it here first.

Like if Travis Kelsey becomes like a fashion designer. He should become a designer like a rude or something like like come. Totally. Come out with his own like cool apparel. Gosh, that's genius. You know who's trying to do that is Cam Newton. Really? Yeah, he's like I think he launched a fashion brand or maybe he's just

I'm not going to lie, like, I would buy whatever Travis. Like, if he came out some, like, really, like, sick t-shirts, some cool, like, like, I would buy it. I think he could get, like, everyone wearing it. And we're all going to be supporting, like, Taylor Swift's boyfriend's clothing line. Dude, that's so genius. Yeah, he's got to find something to really sink his teeth into after. He's very good with his style.

You and I, like, we've talked about that. Yeah, I'm sorry. I was supposed to, like, someone told me this. I was supposed to apologize for saying that he had a stylist. Like, I'm sorry. I didn't follow. his whole Killetrab.

I apologize for not knowing that Travis Kelsey styles himself. His outfits are sick. Like so good. And so, and I feel like they would be, and still the reason I like that is I feel like that is a space that Taylor Swift is not

really good at. And so still like he could own his lane in style still. Like football, style, sports, like, you know, manlyhood. That's his.

his thing. You know, Taylor Swift is artsy, poems, like music. It's just they both could own their own lane. Yeah. And Taylor could respect what he does and he could respect what she does, you know? Dang, that would be pretty, like, iconic for him because I don't think a lot of, I mean, it's kind of an untold story. Like, no fashion, no football player has, like, spanned from, like, this, like.

Not that you can think of off the top of your head, besides, like, you have, like, you know, like the one thing I always think about is, like, Michael Jordan and his dunks. Like everybody. Yeah, but it's so different because like I feel like he was never known as like the designer of them. Yeah. Like he was like known as the business and the brand behind it. Yeah. Whereas like this would be such a unique story where it's like Travis Kelsey goes from like

Tidin to fashionizer. Like it would be sick. It's so sick. Gosh, man. I hope it happens. I hope he hears this podcast. Everybody goes send this to Travis Kelsey. Tell him to get into fashion.

Gosh, I would, man, I would so invest. I feel like you would like the stuff that he comes out with too. You think? Yeah. I don't know. He seems kind of out there for me. I think he could tone it down a little bit. Yeah.

He would have to hit the mass market. So did you have a favorite Super Bowl commercial? No. Honestly, like Stella and Stratton were kind of like fighting over every toy. And I feel like I missed a lot of the commercials. But the one that I did see, I actually saw it on Twitter after the Super Bowl was the He Gets Us. Because like last year, it was a, there was the first of the He Gets Us campaign.

So I might like mess up some of these facts, but my understanding is a lot of like the billionaire evangelical Christian families like have funded this organization called He Gets Us, which is basically trying to broadcast the name and character and likeness of Jesus across the mass media. So like change the representation. So the He Gets Us. Did you watch it? Uh-huh. Gosh, should I ask you your thoughts first? Um, yeah, I, I don't know what like other pastors and other people are saying. I, I didn't like dissect it enough to, I'm just going to like hit you with my initial thoughts. Yeah, same. I'll do the same because I,

I, this is one of those ones where I bet you and I have not seen this. I bet you all these pastors are dissecting it and talking about the theology and all this stuff. And I'm, I'm more looking at it like as a marketer, I feel like and being like, okay, if this is like a top of funnel to get people talking, about Jesus, do I feel like it did a good job or bad job? I mean, look at us right now. I know, right? Like, I feel like mission accomplished in so many ways. And like my whole, my first initial thoughts and I really want to hear yours is that I feel

like it's like about time that the evangelical community caught up to the Latter-day Saints. And listen, I'm not knocking any Latter-day Saints in the audience. What I'm commending you guys on is you guys. have some really good centralized marketing campaigns. I mean like did they have a super bowl ad? They probably didn't. No, I don't think that they did this year, but I see their ads everywhere. They like took over just recently what the Latter-day Saints did is they bought up every ad placement in Times Square. And they created this like experiential, I think it was like a nativity scene maybe for the Christmas. But they like, they are very like. It's the fastest growing religion in the United States.

Yeah, I mean, sure. But yeah, I guess it is. But like, you know, they have some really good centralized marketing. And so I just commend them for that from a marketing standpoint. And a lot of the times, like, I think you have to go deep into the theology of Joseph Smith and all that to where you really start to like, you know, have to understand how it's different than like evangelical Christianity. It's very different than Christianity. But, you know, what I like about their marketing campaign. And again, just not being tribalist about this is that a lot of the times they're not getting into, and here's Joseph Smith and here's what he did, they're like talking about Jesus.

They're like talking about the Bible and talking about that. So I'm like, when, you know? So I'm excited that the evangelical Protestant church is now like at least some people are gathering together with their funds and their resources and trying to use mediums to like get the conversation about Jesus out there. I guess the question with this, was it the right conversation? And like, did it portray Christianity in the right way? I guess is the conversation. Oh, man, that is the conversation, isn't it? I mean, I think that that's a conversation maybe like we shouldn't.

Well, I mean, okay, so here was like my thoughts on the ad is like when I first watched it, what they were trying to do is they were trying to take very polarized groups of people, right? So police officers and this person and people at a march or people at a march in this and like, you know, like this audience and this audience and every picture that they showed in this ad was bridging the gap between two tribalist cultures, right? So I understand that and I the way that I perceive the ad is that most of the time the person that was washing the feet, of the other person was what is perceived in culture to be an oppressor, washing the feet of the oppressed. So not saying, hey, you're wrong for X, Y, Z reason. It's like humbling and saying, like, I'm not acknowledging that.

I'm here to serve and love you on that. Now, that is very, like, Jesus to me. Because Jesus did wash the feet of sinners and people that also. Even sinners that didn't repent. That didn't repent and didn't, like, Yeah, exactly. It didn't repent. Right. So I think that that showed the character and the nature of Jesus very well.

I think that there could have been a broader message taken from that. At the end, maybe. What did the end say again? I think it's just like he loves us or he gets us. It wasn't like Jesus doesn't hate or Jesus doesn't teach hate. Yeah, something like that, which is true. Yeah, it's true too. I don't know.

There's something off about it where it's like I agree with the oppressed who is perceived to be an oppressor, humbling yourself to serve and love the oppressed. What I would like to know is, did I interrupt you, sorry. No, go. I, like, don't know how to, like, I don't know how to say what I'm trying to say. Yeah. I guess what I would like to know is, like, did anyone that wasn't a Christian, like, watch this video and feel touched by it, you know?

That's a really good question. Like, did anyone that feels like they have been the oppressed or maybe feel like they have been, they haven't received love from the church? Because you know that there's so many people that have been hurt by the church. And it wasn't necessarily like the religion. It was like the church, like man-made people in the church or maybe like structure the church had. So did anybody watch this and think, oh, yeah, Jesus does love all of us. Like he doesn't, and see, my gut is no.

Yeah, I love that. marketer Danny Austin. I love that strategy question is like who was the target audience of this ad? Like was it just to spark conversation within the Christian community to talk about whether or not this commercial was like because in my opinion the guy's sitting behind like this video were like probably a bunch of I don't know but it feels like they're like a bunch of like boomers who are like man this is going to touch the heart of them of millions and people are going to repent and come to their knees and da-da. And I'm like, dude, it takes so much more for someone to typically, like, come to know Jesus.

But I, but I'm like 50-50 because I do feel like this commercial, like, maybe someone had never heard the name Jesus before. Maybe no one had. And at least, okay, so maybe they'd never heard about it. But now we're talking about on this podcast. And now they're like, oh, maybe I should go to church on Sunday. And maybe they go church on Sunday and they get saved. Like, you know, so you never know, like where it's being played into.

But like, it just, to me, I don't know if anybody was like actually. touched by it. I think it was a grid top of funnel, but I don't know if somebody actually like, and that's okay. But I think you, like, that's a really interesting way to take the conversation because if you think about like who's watching this, like I as a Christian, you know, am watching this and it spoke to me in the way I just told you where it's like, it challenged me to be like, okay, even if it's not true, if I am perceived as an oppressor, like I feel like Jesus would serve and wash the feet of the oppressed. And pure love, not debate, not acknowledgement of whether you're,

whatever happened is right and wrong, just like a pure like servitude type of attitude. And so the ad challenged me to question as a believer, you know, am I playing that role? And can I play the role of loving and serving even the people I disagree with better? Yeah. But like, why are you giving me an ad? If that, maybe that was their objective is to speak to the church. Yeah. And if that was true, then I think it was a good ad.

If the objective was to speak to someone who's trans, who has a really bad taste in their mouth towards Christianity, who has been hurt by Christians, it's not going to work there. It's going to be like, yeah, like all that person is going to feel in the moment is like, see, like, I'm glad they're getting it. Like, yeah, like you're still the, it's going to invigorate the fact that they're the problem. It's like, don't touch my feet.

Yeah, yeah. Like, who are you? Don't touch my feet. Like, I don't, I don't trust you. I don't know you. And so I don't know what the strategy was. I think it did create conversation. The key takeaways that I'm happy about.

I'm glad that someone's centralizing, pulling resources together, and at least experimenting or trying to use, like, advertising mediums, which is, like, what gains most of our attention to talk about Jesus. I'm happy about that. Number two is I'm happy that it spoke to the church and, like, challenge the church in some way, but I think that they need to really try and hone in on their strategy of like what, what are we trying to accomplish? Because if it's for non-believers, I feel like the latter state of saints are doing it better. I think the last thing I'll touch on

is what I feel like we really need messaging from the church for like into society or people watching the Super Bowl. It's like, I want to know that even, even like, even though, I messed up or like I'm a sinner or maybe I am not living like the way that God intends for me to live my life that I can still go to church like with everybody else like I wish that churches did a better job at communicating that that they're inviting and that like you don't have to be perfect to show up and I feel like that slot for the cerebral could have been a perfect place to do that where you show somebody maybe like like an alcoholic showing up to church and like crying or you so you see somebody that's going through divorce showing up to church and like seeking community or whatever.

And I feel like a lot of times like that's like the biggest thing that is like turn people off from the faith is like because people feel righteous and they feel like you have to be perfect to show up. Yeah. And I just feel like if I would have had that slot in the Super Bowl, like that's probably what I would have been sharing. Focus on. I think that the only challenge I would have to that statement is like I do think that there's a lot of churches that are doing that well.

But again, because like evangelical non-denominational, non-denominational. Protestants are so, like, fractured. Like, you're going to have a church with one type of culture that's probably more, like, hard-nosed on this issue. You're going to have a church that's maybe too liberal on this issue. And so it's, like, so segmented. And so, like, the real issue isn't, like, a church or the church. It's, like, the culture.

The culture. Around, like, evangelical Christianity right now and, like, not being united on that culture. So, like, someone who is, um, someone who's gay, for example, could have one amazing welcoming experience, like true Jesus-centric experience with one Christian, and could go into a coffee shop and meet a Southern whatever, you know, who is like, you know, something about another issue. And truly, like, their approach might be so like, you're a sinner, you're this.

And if you get into the minds of both, like, they both, I don't know. Like it's, it's, it's just hard. It's like, I think that that's what I told, I tell all of my Mormon friends this. It's like that y'all are so centralized that you almost can stay united with your resources. And like, you know, and I don't, but the problem is like, I don't know if I believe in like a centralized, like that's like the Catholic Church. Like, yeah. And there's been a lot of corruption. There's been a lot of bad things.

So I don't know the answer. But we talked about the ad. Yeah, we did. And that's good. We did it. So, you know. Top of funnel conversational awareness. So we tried out some new things for this episode.

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