De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - C-Sections and Conspiracy Theories

Episode Date: November 7, 2024

Happy THURSDAY! We're back with MAJOR content to make up for our short break. Today’s episode is all about catching up and diving into some wild conspiracy theories. Before we make you question your entire existence, we’re filling you in on what’s been happening in the Austin-Ramirez household. Think: a potential reality TV show, rage fits, a four-year-old who hates taking pictures, and some gallbladder attacks. Oh, and Jordan tries to call the guy who nearly scammed him out of thousands of dollars. Just your usual dose of chaos. Then, we’re getting into two of our most recent conspiracy theories: the idea that fluoride in our water is harmful and another one surrounding C-sections. Dani tries her best to pull Jordan into a full-blown conspiracy spiral, but we manage to stay somewhat level-headed—or at least, we think so... We had so much fun recording this, and we hope you love it! Be sure to leave a comment and let us know what you think! Don’t forget to subscribe to our official channel on YouTube, @deinfluencedpodcast, and follow us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your De-Influenced fix. Stay connected with us on Instagram and TikTok @deinfluencedpodcast. Thanks for being part of our journey! See you next Thursday, XOXO Shop now at www.GoodAmerican.com/dani and get $50 OFF your first pair with code DANI. Don't forget to select 'podcast' at checkout and choose our show to let them know we sent you. Get a free Thanksgiving ham with your first Good Ranchers order PLUS free express shipping with code DANI at www.goodranchers.com. Curious about GLP-1s? Go to www.Ro.co/Dani to see if you're covered for free. Go to dreamlandbabyco.com and use code DANI for the buy one get one free deal at checkout. Get 20% off your first order with code DREAM20 at www.nanit.com Take proactive care of your vaginal health and head to www.OPositiv.com/DANI or enter code DANI at checkout for 25% off your first purchase.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. Deinluence. Jordan just told me I've been on a rampage. Yeah, I'm kind of scared we're going to fight on this podcast. Not because we have anything to fight about. No, we do. Okay.

This is what I mean. This is what I mean. You're really... I'm going to tell you guys what we are not going to talk about. Okay. Okay. So there's this like reality show going on Dallas. and we're not going to talk about it

because we are in different pages about it. Yeah, we're... Okay, we'll move on. There you go. That's what we've been fighting around. I want to be famous and Danny doesn't. Really annoying. First of all, I do not think that you get famous from a reality show.

Yeah. Like, unless you're on like housewives, Beverly Hills, you know, like I don't think that you get famous. And I don't think it's the type of fame that you would actually help you progress in their career. Sometimes. It depends. Like if it's around 10 seasons, like the Kardashians, whatever.

But like, going on like a show of like one or two seasons doesn't really move the needle anymore these days. Is there? Like the Bachelor, these days like

will be the Bachelor and have like 400,000 followers. Back in the day, they would get like 4 million. Yeah. It's just a different time. Well, because more people are probably

watching their Instagram than the actual show. Exactly. That's why I, it's just different than it used to be. But, Anyway, I'm gonna

Danny's not supporting my dreams I really want to be a part of it Yeah, Jordan's just dying to be on reality TV It's his dream in life Now the reason I think you've been on a rampage Is it really started yesterday When you did your glucose And you were very upset

That they put red dye 40 In the drink Was I that upset? Yeah, you kind of went on a little bit of a rampage Like on like to your face? Well, in the car And then you were like, why are they giving red dye 40 to a pregnant person?

This makes no sense whatsoever. And then you got upset about something this morning. And I just feel like you're... What I got upset about it? Well, I'm not going to say it. But, you know, you were sitting in the chair. Like right here? No, in the chair downstairs.

After your workout. All right. See, this is what I mean. I don't remember. It's like, I feel like you're entering into this stage of hormones. Finger. Yes, we are in the anger stage of your hormones. But I'm a Scorpio.

What does that even mean? I don't know. I just feel like I, okay, so for example, when I used to drink, I was like an angry drunk. Like I was not like a sweet hugger. Like I feel like I have anger in me. Like I'm a feisty girl sometimes. When you drank and were angry, that was so few and far between. Okay, yeah.

Okay, but I was like, honestly, I don't remember. I'm a spicy Latina. That's what it is. Was it like only when you drank tequila? No, I'm not. I'm over that. The drinking part. I'm saying like in my core, even without drinking, I'm a little spicy. Danny, I don't think that you're spicy at all. What? I really don't. Oh my gosh. Our podcast producer is being like, yeah, she is. I think our podcast producer is convinced that you're a Scorpio and she's so bound to these astrology signs. I literally told you last week, I looked at you and I said, if I die, would you remarry? And you said, no.

And I said, well, I give you permission. Dana, you were crying. I know, because I had. You were crying. You weren't angry. You were crying. I know. I was because I can't imagine like life without you or the afterlife without you.

But no, but then, remember, I picked myself up and I said, my only requirement is she better be way sweeter than me. she better not have a personality at all or I'll come back and haunt her. Yeah, you did say that. So there's the spicy part. But there was a peacefulness to it. It was like, hey, you know. It was coming from a good place. Yeah, it was like, hey, listen, you can remarry.

I'm just going to haunt her for the rest of her life. But like, I want you to be happy. Yeah, it's more of like a facade where it like makes me feel tougher so I can protect myself against the world. Yeah. There's times where you do get in a state of fierceness. but I would say it's so rare. But I get upset about this morning.

Oh. Yeah. I do remember. And then you got upset about the reality TV show because you don't support me and then it's just awkward. Yeah. Okay. Well, there's things that dude kind of tick me off sometimes. What's like, what's giving you the ick or ticking you off right now in this moment, just in general in life?

when you walked in here and you said what you said about the show, it really takes me off. I was like, oh, we're choosing violence? I'll choose violence too. I have a problem. I think something that really always upsets me is like when friends choose like business over friendships. What? Oh, I was like, okay, that makes sense. I know what you're talking about. I was like, I was like, the only reason I stopped is because, Because I was like, sometimes, like, I feel like we're guilty of that. And so I was like, are you saying that about us? No. I got lost for a second. No, no, no. Like, um, like hurt, in a hurtful way. Yeah, yeah. I understand you have a business. Oh, that was another example. That happened. Someone did that to you, uh, was it two days ago. And that was also another rage fit. I just, I listen. I do not contribute to these rage fits. I am so wise now. I just take a step back.

And I say, that is so hard. And that is so. wrong. So you don't agree with me a lot of times? No, I do. I do. I think there's just like a, like, even if I wanted to pacify the situation and be like, well, maybe they were coming from this perspective. It's just not the time. No, this is so funny because like, I'm sure so many wives relate. That is so not true. I can so easily get you riled up to. Like, if somebody is harming me and there's drama in my life, like, you get 110% invested too. And then, like, have You ever seen that sound where it's like, well, who cares? She's ugly. Like, you've ever seen that, heard that sound like, that's so you and that's so my dad too.

Your dad gets so invested. He loves like the girl drama. He's always asking like, what's going on with your friends? And like, we don't really have a lot of drama. But like, you know, in college and high school, he always wanted to know, like, what's the T? What's the 4-1-1? Yeah. But no, I could get you riled up too.

And like, you get me riled up as well. You know it got me riled up because it's been like two weeks since we've really caught up on the pod. You know what got me rattled up two weeks ago? When you saw my booty in those new maternity leggings? No. I was going to say when I got scammed for my UT Georgia tickets. That was really hard. I think we already talked about that on the pod.

Oh, we didn't? No. Oh, it's been a long time. No. And I have a surprise for the pod. I still have this guy's number and we're going to try and call him. Are you serious? Yeah.

So let me tell the story first. Wait, confrontation is hard for me. Well, come on, Miss Scorpio. Yeah, like bring out your feisty. side. So, you know, I, okay, so back in September, I buy six, six tickets to the UT versus Georgia game. Big game. Why is this a big game? Texas was rated number one. Georgia had won like national championships the past, I think it was like 22, 23. Touchy pitty, baby. Yep. And the rank number four. They was at home. And plus we're fighting against Pookie and Jet here. It's a big game.

I know. I think they were there. No, they weren't. They weren't there? No, babe, do you follow them? Do you see where Jet watches his football games? They have like an underground layer of like 10 massive screens where he plays and he just watches it with him and Pookie. Funny. Because he's so into it.

And he watches like and he like, he stands like a foot away from the TV like yelling at it. Like he likes his to watch his games in his spot. Okay. Well, so anyway, I bought very, very expensive tickets. They were on the 50-year lines. And I bought them three months ago. I fly six. How much are these tickets?

I can't even tell you. I'm just curious. Like, I can't even tell you. It would just, it's, it's too bad. Like,

okay, can I ask you this? Okay, so Taylor Swift tickets in New Orleans slash Indianapolis are like, you cannot find them now for probably less than four grand. I mean, yeah,

like four to, they range from like four to 10,000, just for one ticket. Yes, that's about the range that happened. Okay, that's painful. So me and five other friends fly down to Austin that morning. I still, I'm using Stubhub, and I'm about to rant against Stubhub.

I don't think anyone should ever use them in their entire life. Okay. There goes our sponsorship of Stubhub. Bye. It's okay, bye. Sea Geek. So, you know, C Geek is great. So anyway, I buy these tickets a month ago.

We fly down. It's noon in Austin, and my tickets are not transferring over. So I step aside from lunch, and I spend an hour on hold of Stuff Hub. saying, hey, I don't have my tickets. Where is the seller going to transfer him? Oh, yeah, he's just having an issue at the box office. No big deal. So I'm like, okay, I'll just wait, right?

So the game is at 6.30. Okay, it is now 3 o'clock and I still don't have my tickets. So I'm like, hey, guys, like, I actually think we should go to the stadium and go to the box office and try and get my tickets because I'm getting concerned. Because it's going to look bad on me if I, if we all went down and then we don't even get into the stadium. That would be so bad. It was. Everybody left their, like, newborn. It was horrible. The wives are like all alone staying at home with their kids. Oh, no, it gets worse. So at

three o'clock, there's no box offices open. So I spend an hour. So they're all at the tailgates. So I leave the tailgate. I'm no longer with my friends. I'm no longer enjoying it. I'm like, I got to get us into the stadium. So it's 3.30. I finally get through to Stubhubb again. They're like, okay, he says that he's at the stadium, the cellar. And he wants to meet up with you and find you. And I'm like, okay, that's super weird because can he just transfer the tickets? And they're like, no. And so I'm like, okay, well, and they won't connect me with him because they're like the middleman. So I'm like, we'll swap over and then swap back.

So they finally end up giving me this guy's number. And from 4 o'clock to 5.30, I chase this guy around the stadium. Is he really there? No, he's there because he's identifying landmarks. He's like, oh, you know where all the fraternity guys are going in? I'm like, yeah, I'm right there. He's like, I'm on the other side. And so then I go to the other side. And then he's like, oh, I'm at Will Call on the other side. So I've probably looped the stadium by myself while my friends are at the tailgate for like two hours. You don't think he's messing with you? No. So what happened was after I had

called him, what he kept saying to me was, hey, I'm trying to get these transfer to you at Will Call. And I said, well, let me just come meet up with you. So he just kind of sent me on this wild goose chase. So finally on my fifth call to him, because I was starting to get angry. I was like, hey, man, like, I have to get this figured out. I have six friends here. He goes, okay, I'll tell you what really would happen. A player gave me these tickets and they're non-refund. Like, they're non-transferable. So I'm trying to get the box office to, like, believe me. And so I'm like, oh, no, like, these are fraudulent tickets. So I call, like, I call him then, I'm like, call me back in five minutes, he doesn't call me back. I called him 17 times because I'm like, what am I going to do? And he just

keeps screening my call. Keep screening my call. Because he has no answer. Yeah. So then what happens is like, you know how like when you go to a state fair ACL? Like there's too many phone signals so your phone doesn't work. So then I have to leave the stadium and walk probably half a mile outside of the stadium vicinity just to call stub hub. So stub hub answers and stub hub's like, okay, sounds like you're having an issue. And it's always like someone new and they're clearly offshore. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, yes, I'm having an issue. They're like, well, let us call the seller. And then they swap back on with me. And they're like, the seller just answered and said that he left them at will call. And I'm like, there is no will call. Like, there is no will call. And so I'm like, guys, like, I don't know what to do. And I'm like,

okay, I need you to call him and just give me my money back. So they're on the line. And it's now six o'clock. So my friends are like, where are you? Like, we need to get into the stadium. them. So I go on to Stubhubhub again and I'm like, I have to bite the bullet. I buy six more tickets. Oh my gosh. Wait. Last minute. Where's all our money? So listen. I buy six more tickets at that time. And then I had to break us up. All I wanted to do was sit with my friends and watch the game. I had to buy two orders of four and then two. So we already were going to have to split up. So the four, they transfer to me. Then the other two don't. So then I had to go on Seat Geek and buy two additional tickets. And so then finally I get all my tickets and I'm like, okay, I'm walking towards the stadium.

And the guy switches back on. And he's like, hello, are you there? And I get into the zone where the signal cuts out and the call drops. And so I walk in to the stadium. They're like, my friends are like, did you get it figured out? And I was like, no. I was like, but I think I'll figure it out tomorrow. Let's just go enjoy the game.

but at that time, I was 14 tickets deep to like one of the biggest college football games on in the country. Have you seen, have we been refunded for this? Yeah. So the good news is that we got refunded for all and they gave me a portion of the four tickets back. But that's not the real crime. A portion. So we actually made money? We spent less than we originally were going to spend.

See, that's just not good customer support. I feel like they should have just refunded. No. That's my, that's my mission in life is that no one ever uses Stubhub. Seatheek was great. They've always been great. I mean, I'm deleting Stubhub off my phone right now. But the last thing. Nobody messes with my boo-boo.

Well, so the last thing that I sent this guy is I said, well, I'm not going to tell you what I said. It wasn't nice. But what I want to do right now, did he read it? It's a totally normal guy. But at one point, he was like, he had enough of our mind. He had enough of our money that this guy should have actually, like, he could have gone to jail for how much he had, like, locked up. So what I really want to do right now is I want to call him and I want to have a conversation with him about this situation. I'm so scared.

And why he did this to me. And I'm not going to be mad. I'm just going to say, hey, why did you not answer? And then why did you lie to Stubhub? Because he is supposed to be a number one seller. Let's call him. Wait, let's look him up. No, we already looked him up.

He just screened me for sure. Wait, use my phone. Let's use your. But he's going to see that you already have tried. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we got this. He didn't call me back later. I can't even be sitting here in this, I can't. Danny, we're not in the wrong.

I know, but like. This guy's a scammer. Let's call from yours. Remember when we called Logan Paul? Yeah, that's right. Good times. I still have his number. No, he's not going to answer.

You should have called for my phone for hers. No, well, I had Devin do this and I said, Devin, here's what you're going to say. You're going to pose. I think Devin's called him like everyday sense. Like, he's got this weird, righteous sense of justice. And I'm like, Devin, this really isn't even your problem. He, like, he signs him all up.

Good friend. Well, he also, this is kind of petty. But, like, this is what Devin does is like. He signed him up for all these emails. No, all the political text. Oh, my God. He, like, tried to get. yes, his political affiliation, then it was like, signed him up for all the opposite.

Wait, somebody must have done that to me. Yeah, that's what happened. Because, like, I get so many texts. But anyway, I just want everyone to know that it worked out, but it was a crazy story. And Stubhub. And never used Stubhub. We see you. We see you.

Bivid seats and seekie. Call me. I'm so, I'm so sorry that happened to you. It's okay. I watched the game with your parents. And I was really, really, like, sad the whole time because I kept calling you and, like, trying to figure out if you got into the stadium or not. I know. You really were concerned. It was very sweet.

And then I was like so into the game because I knew that you struggled so much. I know. And I was like screaming at the TV like, okay, when Texas started throwing all that trash on the field. I mean like Danny, I have never, listen, I don't endorse this as a Texas fan. I stand by Matthew McConaughey's statement that that was very classless of us to do. But I have never been in a college stadium that was as electric as when. They threw the bottles on the field and then they reversed the call. That momentum for 10 minutes, I had never been in an atmosphere like that before. Same.

Like, me and your dad were, like, standing up, like, screaming at the TV. I'm not, I'm going to be honest with you. Okay. Because I look back and I'm like, what Texas did was not classy. But in the moment, I was like, throw the cans! Throw the cans! I was like, such a bad call. I was like, yeah, you throw the trash.

And then I had to, like, take a step back and be like, Jenny? Yeah, I know. But, like, I was like, happy in the moment. And then when we scored that touchdown, I was like, yeah, we throw the bottles. Which, it was horrible. It's funny because Miles went to Texas Tech and he was like, I don't see the problem. He's like, we should be throwing batteries. What do we do? It is really crazy that because of, I wouldn't say because of that, but like they did reverse the call.

That's crazy. Good times, you know, Texas football. I would say the other crazy thing that's happened in the past two weeks. is your gallbladder attack that put us in the hospital. Yeah, that was a rough one. So I've had a couple of these gallbladder attacks, which I guess they're triggered by spicy or fatty foods, which I eat both of. Yeah, they're like, she like gets to the emergency room. They're like, what did you eat today?

I'm like, hot chitos. She's like a salad and I was like, Danny, be honest. You're like, okay, hot chitos, some cookies, did you play. No, I did not. I really didn't. The first time I'd ever happened, I did have Chick-fil-A and then a spicy soup for dinner. But that was the first time, so I didn't really know what was going on.

And then the second time it happened, I thought, oh, I'll just have a couple of french fries. And then it happened again. The third time I was in the clear, I had pesto pasta for dinner. I don't know why it happened. And I had Chipotle for lunch. You're like, it's too good to pass up. I'll risk the heart attack feeling. I'll skip for the biscuit.

No, I really thought Chavolet was healthy. Yeah, no. These things are, maybe explain what it feels like to have a gallbladder attack. So when I have a gallbladder attack, it kind of goes in waves similar to contractions. So contractions, like when you were going into labor, like the pain comes on,

but then you have a second where you can rest. The pain comes on. So that's how the gallbladder attack felt. It started in my heart, I felt like I was having a heart attack. And then it would move like to the middle of my back. And then it would move, the pain would move to like right above my bump, like on the right side. And then like it would be like really, really intense pain, like heart attack pain,

contraction pain. And then it would go away for like five minutes. And then it would come back on. And but when you're having the like episode, it hurts so bad. And then as it goes on, because this probably happens like for two or three hours, like after about an hour of the pain off and on, then I start to get nauseous. And that's when I start throwing up. Yeah. And so, and it's like a lot of throw up. It's the sounds are really kind of what haunt me. It's not the visual of the throat. It's like it's a very, it's very like exorcists. It's like so. It comes from deep down within. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's an intense. It's not like I, you don't like throw up food. It is like you're throwing up like your soul. Yeah. That's what it felt like. So it's pretty intense. But the first two times I had it, I did, I labored at home. You know, I did it naturally. And then the third time, I was supposed to go on a plane at 7 a.m. to go do QVC, which I've known about this opportunity all year. I do QVC one time a year each year with Elmis. And I look forward to it every single year. We have a live audience. We sell tickets. I meet people.

I do it with my mom. It is like one of my favorite things to do. And of course, out of all the days to have the gallbladder attack, it was the morning I was supposed to fly to QVC. Yeah. And so there was another flight that left at 9 a.m. So like I start laboring at 2 a.m. Okay.

So that's when the pain, I lay down, I go to sleep. I wake up in the middle of night. It wakes me up the pain. I'm like, oh gosh. I was like, Jordan, I think it's happening again. And so we start going into laboring. And then by 5 a.m., you know, we call the emergency room. We call labor and delivery because my doctor had told me if this happens again, call labor and delivery.

Which I would say this, just for clarification, I think your pain tolerance is incredibly high. You have a very high pain tolerance. Thank you. And so when you finally go to an emergency room, like it's like a nine or ten scale on pain. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I tried to do it at home because I knew that it would go. way. But the reason, honestly, the main reason I went in is I was like, I got to make this flight.

You know, at the time at 7 a.m. I was still thinking I was going to like, and I was like, I got to get in there. And my doctor had told me they could give me something for the pain. And I thought, let's just get something for the pain. I'll get on the plane and have this pain like reduced. And then I'll go do my live show and fly home. Yeah. Let me paint this visual. Literally, it's Danny hooked up to IVs, all these tubes coming out of her body. And she's like, call Jenny. She's like, Jenny's at the airport. See when the next flight is. And so I'm like literally on the phone with Jenny.

And I'm like, hey, Jenny. And she's like, is she okay? And I'm like, you know, she still thinks she's going to make this flight. And she's like, okay, well, we'll wait. And so I'm like, okay. And then like you get like your pain medicine, which is actually fentanyl. They gave me fentanyl, which let me tell you, I've never felt anything like that before. It felt amazing.

Yeah, but it's crazy because. But it's, we're off after like 30 minutes. Well, when you're in the hospital, they give you such a small dose. But when they said that you were on fentanyl, I was like, Dave, anything in mass doses can kill you. I know, but I'm like, why would you give someone fentanyl? Like, it's just a- I guess it's a safe one for pregnancy.

I don't know. I've never taken a pain medication during pregnancy. I mean, you can't even freaking take Advil. I'm like, you guys are giving me fentanyl. So then, anyway, she's like loopy on the plane. So then I call Jenny back. No, not loopie on the plane. No, sorry, loopie in the bed.

And she's like... In the emergency room. In the emergency room. She's like, call Jenny. So I called Jenny again. there's like an hour. Like we can basically leave in the next 15 minutes and be fine. I said I feel amazing.

I said, give me on that plane. I know. That's what I said. I go, Jenny, she says she feels amazing, but she's on fentany. So I feel like we should call this and not let her get in that moment. When the fentanyl hit,

like because they gave it to you in the IV. And it took about like three minutes for it to hit. And so I'm like floating on a cloud. I'm like, I literally could conquer the world right now. I was like, screw this bed. I'm like, I got to get out of here. Like, I got some QVC.

I got some LMS to show. Like, I'm like, like, my mom, mom was waiting for me over in, you know, where was Pennsylvania? And so then on the other line, I'm calling her mom. And her mom's like, wait. So like, Danny's not going to be like, I'm going to have to do this QVC alone. And I go, hey. I'm like, mom, I'm coming for you. Like, this is what you're built for.

We've trained you for this. Get in there. Get in there. Get in their tornado. You can do this. No, honestly, I was most upset about, I mean, obviously, I love going on QVC. And I love, but the live audience, I was. I got to meet them last year and we did like a meet and greet afterwards.

Yeah. And we sell tickets. And I'm like, I feel like I'm letting down so many people. And like, I can't even imagine being a celebrity where you cancel a show with thousands of people. Yeah. Because we only had 50 in the audience.

Morgan Wallen. And like I was still, babe, he's going through a lot. He's canceled so many shows. I know. Yeah. Um,

but anyway, so that really bummed me out. I hate letting people down like that. So I was trying everything in my power to make it happen. But honestly, another reason is they did all these tests and everything was far with the baby. It's just the pain. You know, I'm like, if it's just the pain, like, Danny, like, no pain, no gain. Like, you got to, like, you got to keep moving.

Like, if baby's safe, then, like, you just keep going along. And that's kind of how I live my life. Sounds like a Forbes top creator to me. That's what it takes. If baby's safe and everything's going to be okay, everybody's like, you got to rest. You got to rest. And I'm like, why would I rest? Like, that's only going to hurt my mental health.

And then probably make baby suffer when baby gets here. Yeah. And mama's got to stay busy and got to stay healthy. Like that's my type of, you know. Yeah. I mean, I'm appreciative of the medical establishment, but it is kind of ironic that like you go in for a gallbladder attack.

They give you fentanyl and then they basically just tell you that you have either gas or nausea at the end. That happens. I feel like there's a better conclusion that Chachy BT told us versus what y'all are telling us. Well, they can't do. when you're pregnant, they can't do x-rays and that sort of thing. So they kind of have to look at everything. And even if I did need my gallbladder taken out eventually, which I might, it's probably more risky to do it while I'm pregnant than to just go back into the hospital for the next

two months until I deliver if I need to and handle the pain, like handle the pain and just manage the pain. You know what I mean? Like why go through a surgery right now when I could just get the baby out in two months and then go through the surgery. Yeah, I just, I'm just saying, it's a little risky. I felt a little gaslit for you that they were just trying to tell you was heartburn.

I was like, why are we here then? Yeah, yeah, no. I've had heartburn before. This was not, not heartburn. You know, this could be a good segue into our conciercy hour. Well, are you just going to blow past the fact that you had a gallbladder attack? And then we had Stella's birthday the next day as though nothing has. happen and then you hop on a plane to Forbes and then on Monday you're the Forbes top creator.

Like it, it's just weird. Just another day. It's just as another day. But it's like when we stop and we think and we reflect on this podcast, like it's a pretty weird life. It's a pretty weird time. Yeah. I just don't know any different. I've always been like that.

And like your friend, our friends are so used to it that they're like, you're in the hospital yesterday. Sorry about that. Happy birthday, Stella. When we birthday game, friends are like bringing me soup. And they're like, yeah, they're like, are you okay? And I'm like, yeah, it's just, it's fine. It's Friday.

It's another day. It's another day. But yeah, that was pretty crazy. Like, honestly, maybe God was trying to protect me because doing QVC and flying back that day and then doing Stella's birthday and then going to Forbes the whole day. Yeah, it would have been. I might have collapsed. Yeah, it was a lot. Stella's birthday was great.

I got absolutely zero pictures. But, you know, I'm just laughing it off. Yeah. It's, oh, well. Is that normal? For a kid not to like pictures? You know, I asked a mom at gymnastics. I said, you know, she was like, oh, you know, it's so funny.

Stella didn't want to be in any pictures. And I go, and she didn't want to blow out her candles. Y'all blew him out for her. And I was like, yeah, but this is like normal, right? And she was like, yeah. And her reaction kind of made me question my whole existence a little bit. It's, Stella was born like that. Yeah, I know.

That's what I'm saying. Literally, when she came out of the womb and I was like, hi. And like, every mom wants to get newborn pictures. Okay. I'm not even wanting these pictures for social media. Like, I want to be able to look back and be like, oh, this is your, I have pictures of me when I turned four at my birthday party. Like, I just want the memories. And I can't even get like the memory out of her, you know, just like one picture where she's even looking at the camera without it.

You know. So, but no, I, when I post about that in my DMs, like, it's literally like thousands of people are like, same, same, same. Like it's so normal. And Stella is just, she's so intelligent. And she's like very reserved and shy. And she's just like, she doesn't do things she doesn't want to do. I know. A lot of other kids are like just kind of ditt to do and they persuaded to do whatever.

And she's just headstrong and you got to love her for it. You know? I know. So, no, I'm not worried about that. I just was sad because I was like, I wanted a picture of her and I like in front of the Barbies stuff. I thought it would be cute to look back at one day. But now we'll look back at the pictures of her, like, hiding in the balloons, which will be great. And we'll laugh about it.

It was so funny because, like, we were, our friends were trying to get the picture. So she was, like, with us for a second. And then she runs away behind the balloons. And so we pretty much just got pictures of me and Danny kneeling at her birthday. With all of her friends. And I'm like, those are the funniest pictures because it's just us. Yeah, I literally had to blow out her candles, like, for her. But you said you didn't like blowing out candles as a kid.

I don't remember if I did or not. Yeah. I just don't like, I'm very similar to her where I didn't like being the center of attention. I was shy, but like I loved it. I was like, this is my day, fiatches. Everybody'd get in line. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. I was like, I'm like shy, but like do not mess.

Like those are my candles. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, I mean, it was a great day. Went to Forbes. Yeah. How do you feel? after. How do you feel being a Forbes top creator for the third year running? Does it feel

different? No, I mean, it's, I can't believe it, honestly. It feels good. I'm already thinking about next year. I'm aware it's already been a stress point in our pillow talk. I'm like, how am I going to have taught myself next year? It's like this pressure to keep on growing, which is is kind of hard. Are you more, were you more honored to be named on the Forbes list? or to be mentioned on the toast. Ooh. So the first time I was ever mentioned on the toast was the first year I made the list. Oh, okay.

Do they do like a review every year? They do a review of it every year. And I do need to fact check them a little bit. Yeah. So I guess there's this like rumor or and honestly, maybe it has changed like the policy has changed. But they had this philosophy or they had this, this idea, this theory, that anyone on the photo shoot.

or anyone on the Forbes top list that had a Polaroid picture, aka they flew to L.A. and did the photo shoot, I guess, didn't apply. No, they think that if you had a Polaroid, you did apply. Okay, so yeah, their theory was that if you got a Polaroid picture, a.k. you got the photo shoot that you applied to be a top creator. I could be wrong. I don't think you can apply. They have someone that curates the list, and we know because we've met them multiple times. And not only that, the numbers in the statistics or like the numbers that they, they put on the list are pretty accurate because you're actually required to send in financials and like receipts or tax.

You have to prove like they do audit the numbers to a certain degree. Yeah. So I mean, I agree with you. I think that she, it was Claudia, right? Yeah. She's just funny. She was just being funny. She was just like creating a theory about the Polaroids, right? Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, it's a good theory. But. But yeah, you can't, I don't think that you can apply to the list. I think you can apply for other Forbes lists. Like the 30 under 30 list is actually not super prestigious because it's like you really can kind of buy your way in, I think. No, no.

Yeah. So the 30 to 30 or 30 you can buy your way in. Yeah. I think everyone kind of knows that about the 30 under 30 list. But so I understand where they are coming from. But the top creator list in our, in our experience, we know. exactly who who curates it and who selects it, it is curated, not applied for. I am looking online. I don't see an application. I don't know how you would apply.

Is it weird to you that on the toast, she didn't bring up the like, y'all had potted together, they've done a podcast together? I know. I'm like, Claudia, we go away back. I know. That's what I was kind of thinking too. I was like, that's your only commentary is like, I thought we were friends. No, it's definitely one of the, of those situations where it's like also the sound like, oh, well, I'm definitely your best friend. Like, like I love her. She probably doesn't know a lot about me. It's okay. I respect that. It's kind of like Taylor Swift. Like, I don't need you to know a lot about me. Like, I just love you. And like, you just be you. Like, all I need you to do is be you. And you don't need to know about me.

Also, her personality and like her sense of humor is like pretty quick. And so you never know if she's just being like sarcastic. No, I know. I know. I know that girl like back of my hand. I know like she's, like, she's, like, I know when she's kidding or not. You probably don't because she's like, I don't know. No, like it was so fun. Yeah,

so that was an interesting experience. We also, the first year that we made the list, oh, I'm so happy that they changed my picture. Because that first time I made the list, I was postpartum with Stella. Do you remember?

I was like probably two or three months postpartum, so I definitely still have my Fupa, you know? And so, and that, not only that, but I had my double chin. And you know, like my one quam

with this Forbes photo shoot, and I look back and I'm like, man, wish I would have had more balls back then. Because they made me do that photo shoot. And do you remember, like, the photographer was like trying to get me like to be this like bad a girl boss and like walk and have a serious face. Yeah, I think I held the leaf blower. Yes. And like she was like, she was like, she was like, and like, tell yourself like you're, you know, the baddest be in the world, you know, all these things. And I, I just don't think like that naturally. Like that's not where my mind typically goes. And so I felt like she was trying to get me to be somebody that I wasn't. Right. And in those photos, it really shows. Like, I was not, I was not myself. And then they used those photos for every single Forbes event or Forbes mention or whatever. And I'm like, you know, please stop using that photo. Like, I hate it so much. And finally, they, I even like kind of like gaslit them last year. I was like, guys, listen, I was so past postpartum. Like, can you all please just not use that ugly photo of me? Like, that's not fair. Everybody else gets the most beautiful photo. And I was like two months postpartum. And they still were like, no. No, no. But then this year they used like a photo that I liked. That's sweet.

So thank you, Forbes. And I just wish, next time I'm going to, I'm in a photo shoot where someone's trying to make me be someone that I'm not. I'm going to say, no, that's not me. Good for you. Yeah, I'm going to say, that's not my personality. I'm not going to do a straight face. A little Scorpio, you?

Yeah, like, don't get with me. But like, please invite me to your party. Yeah. There she is. But still love me. I'll be nice to you. Yeah, so that was really exciting. Was there anybody on the list that you were really impressed by or shocked by? So I was reading Twitter and I would shock that they, this is so funny, but you know, I think is speed, high speed or speed.

He's a Twitch streamer. He's probably like the biggest in, I would say he's like top five and I was surprised he wasn't on the list. But they did include Kai Sinat, who I personally, love. Like, Kai Sinat is like my Claudia. Like, if I met him, I would just be like, you just, I just, I just love the guy. But I was shocked that he wasn't like top five because I thought that he was probably making as much as like a Mr. Beast. And his number was like 8.5 for his business, which is like, just generally like, if you understand how large his following is, I was surprised by that. He's a guy like, so this is what he's doing. He is. He is. streaming for 24-7 every day for the 30 days in November.

Like he is going to, I mean, he's not going to show anything, but shower on live. He's going to sleep on live. He's going to play games on live. Like, he is streaming for 24-7 days straight for 30 days. That's how committed he is to being successful. Well, and correct me if I'm wrong, but though with like Logan Paul who owns, or sorry, Mr. Beasts who has festivals, Logan Paul who owns prime. you're not allowed to include that income.

Yeah, that's another thing. This is just your influencer income. Addison Ray only did like $3 million and she's like one of the most followed people on TikTok. It's because she's probably just including what she made in her influencer business. She has like all these other brands and the cosmetic brands. Like that's another thing that people don't understand. Like Mr. Beast is probably worth way more than what. I mean, he's number one.

And it said that he did $82 million. I think that's just brand deals. That's just brand deals. Or that's just maybe his ticket sales to his show. Anything that has to do with influencer is that number. And that's why, because Alex Cooper, right, she got like, didn't she get like a $100 million deal with Spotify? Her number says $20 million.

Yeah. That's because that's just her influencer business. Yep. Well, and that deal happened after the cutoff too. Oh, true. So, like next year it'll probably say that she did $100 million or whatever. True, true. So, but I will say that was another thing the toast was wrong about is I think that they

thought that it did include both. Like, it has, that has nothing to do with like Divi. But I will say this that, um, uh, a lot of people I think probably think that Logan Paul is losing relevance because I think his number for this year is smaller than last year. But a lot of what the, I think the nuance that's interesting for people is like what that probably shows is that he's focusing way less on his influencer business and way more on things outside of his influencer business, which means that prime is probably starting to consume and be more, more, worth his time than his influencer business. See, that's what's so interesting.

I almost wish they would have a list for influencer brands. Yeah. You know, because like, that's like a whole other. It wouldn't be fair though because like, I mean, who's actually running. Prime are probably valued in like the $500 million plus. But like, how's that not fair? Because.

Also, why was dude perfect not on here? I bet they like didn't want. So the other thing that can happen is Forbes reaches out to you. Yeah. And you can decide whether or not. not you want to be a part of it. So you can say like, because I remember the first year, we were like, I don't know if we want to like, do this. Like, is this even real? Or like, are we getting scanned? And so you can deny. And so like, because then you don't send in your

financials. And I'm sure there's a lot of people that were maybe reached out to that were like, I just don't want to. I don't care to be on it. Yeah. You know, I wanted to be on it because I'm a three. On the enigram. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With the other enigram. And I thought it would be helpful to meet other people and to like the Forbes family is so like once you're in it like they really take care of you and like for example when I I work with Walmart a lot I love Walmart I probably have like two brand deals month with Walmart and when I went to speak at this past event that was sponsored by Walmart I was sitting I did an interview with the editor Steve and I was telling him about like yeah like I love what he was like oh let me introduce you like the CMO's here

like, he's like, I got you. Like, I'll make sure that my team. Like, he was just so helpful. And so I really, I love being a part of that family. And I feel like they always like consider me for events now. And they're, you know what I mean? And it's just, it's so nice to have other people to network with. Especially when you're just working at home.

So I also think you've been doing this for so long that, and I think that the cultural conversation around being a creator is now, oh, this is a business. So I think it's like good to a certain degree to be transparent about like, what is possible, you know, in terms of like what this business could be and then like training other creators on like how to get there. And so I think it's, I think it was the right decision to say yes to like letting this information out there. Yeah. I never question it. Oh, okay. I have, I have probably multiple times a year, but. I don't know. I just do that. It's the same thing with the reality show that we are not going to talk about that. Yeah, because you don't. Yeah,

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not favorite conspiracies, but just some relevant conspiracy theories in our life. Jordan's... I'm just so excited. He's so excited. I wasn't going to talk about fluoride, but I really think I should talk about fluoride. How about fluoride, babe? Can I tell you the story about fluoride? Well, can I do my first? Because it's kind of relevant. Can I go first? Okay. Okay. Because I want to tell you this as though this is the first time you've heard about it because I actually don't think you were listening to me when I had this epiphany and realization. It was like 10 o'clock at night, but I know about like the fluoride thing.

Okay. So let me start this story by saying me to or saying that. Wait, should we make a disclaimer and say nothing that we're about to say is factual? Don't come for us. Like for sure factual. Like I mean, sorry. Listen, actually I. Disclaimer, like we're not saying that this is for sure, for sure.

These are conspiracies that could be right or might not. You know, honestly, guys, I think in culture. Like, what even is a conspiracy anymore? Okay, yeah. So many of these things have come to light in terms of version that, like, are we even? Yeah, no disclaimer. Take that out. Edit that out.

Yeah. What I will say is I will present the facts that I learned from Chatsy BT, and I will let you draw the conclusion of whether you think this is a conspiracy or not. It's on you. It's on you. It's on us. Okay. So let me take you down a little story.

Yeah. So we launched our OG shampoo and conditioner. Mm-hmm. You remember that event we had for Divi? two years ago? Mm-hmm. A lady comes up to me at this event and she says, are your kids using fluoride toothpaste?

And I said, probably. And she said, you got to stop. And I was like, okay, here we go. Two years ago, Stratton was even born then, but yeah. But sell it. So, like, I was kind of like, okay, listen, you have me at like cloud seating. You've got me at some other things.

You know, you got me. The cloud seating. People get really upset about that. Why? It's happening. Okay. So you have me a lot of things. You don't have me at fluoride at this time.

I'm just like, guys, I'm not bought into this mass conspiracy. I don't believe it. Fluoride's been in our water for years. Right. So we have a water filtration system that I got installed in our house. Okay. Yes. It's really interesting.

It makes your water feel oily. Very soft at first. It takes a while to get used to. you have to like refill it with salt, but it basically filters out any of like the chemicals, chlorines, anything in your water. Fly fluoride.

You can, the reason I did this was I bought a, and you can get this from Amazon, you can buy a water testing kit that's five bucks and you run it under your water and it will tell you all the substances in your water. Okay. I'm going to link it on Amazon. Yep.

Go ahead and link it on Amazon. So what I learned and what got me on, Do you remember why I started talking about fluoride the other night? Well. What was the catalyst of it? I feel like, well, Ellie is very against fluoride. Oh, I remember why. I saw a link on Twitter and I'm going to read you the headline.

Okay. This is from the National Toxicology Program from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Can I just ask you something really fast? I'm curious your opinion on. Do you feel like if Elon Musk didn't own Twitter, this would even be on your feed right now? Babe, you are opening up so many, we don't have time for that conversation. Yes or no is all I want to know. No, I don't think so.

Okay. Okay. Okay. So this article, okay, was tweeted out by a well-known doctor who's not a conspiracy theory doctor. And the title says fluoride exposure, neurodevelopment and cognition issues related to fluoride. Okay. It's a new study that came out. And basically what this...

What year did the study come out? This year. This came out in, I think, August. Who did the study? I just read that. The National Toxicology Program underneath the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The Empire.

So you're saying... The Empire produced this report. Because Elon Musk owns Twitter, you're able to question and learn more about the ingredients in our water? Babe, you are trying to wrap a conspiracy and a conspiracy. Can we just focus on my conspiracy for a second? and not make this about your conspiracy.

Okay, so the gist of this study, and I'm just going to read the headline, the NTP monograph concluded that higher levels of fluoride exposure, such as drinking water containing more than 1.5 milligrams of fluoride per liter are associated with lower IQ in children. Okay? That's the headline of this. So I'm sitting here and I'm like, that's super interesting. I want to know, because I had heard, I was like, this lady one time two years ago, you know, came out to me, and I'm like, oh my gosh, my brush and my... And Ellie is very against this. So Ellie brings these things up all the time.

Yeah, but I love her. I love her. But she might be more evolved than we are. No, she definitely is. But like they always end up being right about those things. So what I have learned to do is not necessarily go down chat chippy rabbit holes immediately. What I always do is I always ask the question of what other countries are doing this versus

us? Because what I've learned about the U.S. system of food and of health is that we are typically less evolved than how other countries have evolved and made decisions for their health programs, right? So I read that most European countries do not fluorite, fluoridate their water. Instead, they often rely on fluoride in dental products like toothpaste or in some cases salt fluoration. Because, you know, fluoride is in our water. It was, the government said, we're going to put it in the water. Goey always told me growing up, she was like, always drink from the sink because it's good for your teeth. Okay.

She always told me that. I'd be like, okay, Goie. No, Danny, this is going to blow your mind. Goey. You can decide whether that was propaganda or not. I got to call Goey. So countries like Germany, French, and Sweden have discontinued water fluoridation due to various regions, including feasibility, preference for other public health measures and debates over safety and consent.

Okay. So other countries are basically saying, hey, we did this whole thing. We followed the U.S.'s lead. Now we're not. Well, because it's kind of nice to also put it back on the people and say, hey, if you really want your fluoride, you can get it in the ways that you want. Why do this to a whole country? Okay. So where do you think I'm going to start this story about how fluoride ended up in our water system? You'll never guess. Let me just tell you. Well, it's always money. It's always money. But here's where the story actually starts. It starts with a company called. It always starts with the company. It started by a conglomerate company called Alcoa.

They sound like trolls. Alcoa is the aluminum company of America. Aluminum. And Tarasante, why would an aluminum company be putting fluoride in our water? Because, Danny Austin, did you know that fluoride is a byproduct waste of the process of manufacturing? There we go. We got extra. We got trash. What are we going to do it? We're going to sell it and make money off of our trash and tell everybody that it's beneficial. So in the 20th century, fluoride became an industrial byproduct of producing aluminum. Alcoa is a historic company that is one of the

main manufacturers of aluminum. So what ended up happening was there became a lot of issues around the water supply and the areas where there was a lot of aluminum production from these factories happening. And so the public in the, let me see, early 20th century started saying, hey, wait a second, this stuff is damaging to us, right? We need you guys to basically dispose of this byproduct in a better way. Okay. And I'm summarizing the story a little bit. So at the time, there was a guy named Charles Martin Hall who had started Alcoa. From what I know about him, he was a believer,

great guy, chemist, you know, probably just good old boy who started the company. But towards the end, he died in 1914, towards the end of his reign, there was a CEO that started named Arthur Vining Davis.

Okay? So Arthur Vining Davis was kind of the pioneer of basically saying, we need to find a more economic way to deal with this byproduct. So it's really expensive for these companies to deal with the outcry of this is damaging to the environment. This is damaging to public health of anyone who's around this plant. I mean, not only that, like, aluminum's got its own problems. You know,

it's found in our deodorant. It's linked to breast cancer. Like it's... Fluoride waste pose significant industrial and environmental challenges for Alcoa and other companies that produce it as a byproduct, especially during the early to mid-20th century. fluoride emissions from aluminum plants were known to be harmful to surrounding ecosystems and communities causing crop damage, livestock illness, and potential health risk to nearby residents. So you said that was the fluoride? That's when they discovered that this byproduct of fluoride was bad and why it was bad. Okay.

So what do you think that they do? So this Arthur Vining Davis person hires this man who I've talked about on the podcast before. his name is going to blow your mind is Edward Bernays. Wait, wait. Is he the one that made the breakfast? Edward Bernays is the founder of public relations. And what he really is famous for is he would go to these conglomerate companies like the pork manufacturers or the bacon manufacturers.

And the companies would hire him and say, we need to sell more product. So the standard American breakfast of eggs and bacon was created. by Edward Bernays. Which is actually really unhealthy. Which is not as great for you, which as a tactic to basically get you to eat more bacon, right? Right. Edward Bernays was, so this is also going to blow your mind, he is Sigmund Freud's cousin. Also, I could be wrong, but I think he's the guy that was like when Betty Crocker had these,

when Betty Crocker came out with their powdered cakes, you know, where moms are, making cakes or baking in the kitchen, they didn't like the product because they felt like they weren't cooking. So Edward Bernays was like, just have them add an egg. And it makes the woman feel like they're actually baking at home. But I didn't even really need the egg. Like he's that genius. He like recreates like the way that consumers think about products. Like having bacon for breakfast. Like who that's a horrible idea. But he was like, this is genius. He pioneered it. Is that time of year again, the holidays are nearly upon us. And with the chaos that they can bring, plus our usual busy schedules, it can be hard to make sure we are eating good

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Thank you, O positive. So Edward Bernays was so effective at public relations that Nazi Germany, Joseph Gobbles, I think his name is. Gobbles or Goebles, we don't know. He was the propaganda chief for Hitler during Nazi Germany. Edward Bernays was so good that he tried to recruit Edward Bernays to come and lead the public relations charge behind Nazi Germany. Oh, that just takes my stomach. So Alcoa hires Edward Bernays to basically say, we are having to deal with this really expensive byproduct, which is called fluoride, okay,

and we are having to dispose of it. It's very expensive. What can we do? So Edward Bernays goes to Bining Davis, and he says, what we need to do is we need to change the conversation around fluoride. Okay. So the Mellon Institute, which was supported and funded by Alcoa as a company, host hired a Dr. Gerald J. Cox, who was a researcher who worked with the Mellon Institute to publish findings suggesting that low fluoride levels may reduce dental cavities based on animal studies making it one of the earliest suggestions to add fluoride to public water. Okay? So they come out with this study that says, wait a second, fluoride actually can reduce

cavities and they run this study and then they live. lobby this study across all the U.S. health and public services, right? So the next big milestone in fluoride ending up in our water is in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Grand Rapids, Michigan in 1945, becomes the first city in the world to fluoridate its public water supply as part of a controlled study led by the U.S. Department of Health Services. The results showed a significant decline in tooth decay among children, which supported the public health benefits of fluoride. So it's almost like everyone is so focused on the benefits of an ingredient. But what about the harmful things it does? So what they proved, I think, in this Grand Rapids, is they said,

oh, less cavities, right? But if you have lobbyists involved, you're cherry picking data. That's what I'm saying. So less cavities. What about more ADHD, more cancer? Like, But really where Edward Bernays succeeded is in 1950, he was able to effectively lobby the American Dental Association, the ADA, and the American Medical Association, the AMA, to endorse water fluoridiation bolstering its public health reputation. And then by the 1960s, we have so many communities adding fluoride to the water supply. So Alcoa, who was dealing with the cost of this byproduct now has found a use for it and is now integrating it in all these communities across the country. Right. In the 1970s and 80s, there was a little bit of an uproar that said, hey, there's probably more public health concerns that need to happen. But there was no Twitter. There was no. No one had the information. When I asked the question. So you're saying because Elon Musk owns Twitter now.

What I'm saying is that like when you look at information in this information age and you go back and you realize how some of the most major health decisions have been made in our country, you realize how when you don't have Twitter, when you don't have the power of the masses, how do you know that there weren't people like Edward Bernays and Dr. J. Gerald Cox saying, oh, this is good for you. This is good for you. We should do this. We should do this. You know? Can I give you another example? I remember of Edward Bernays. Yeah. He also was responsible for in the 1920s. It wasn't until, sorry, let me say this. It wasn't until 1986 that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, 1986, so that's a whole generation of water usage. It wasn't until 1986 that the EPA established a maximum contaminant level for fluoride and drinking water, balancing,

cavity protection prevention with potential risk of over exposure. What is potential risk of overexposure? I said it was 1.5 milligrams, I think. If you drink a single Stanley cup, 40 ounce quencher of tap water of tap water in some cities, you are already over the exposed level of fluoride that you should have for that day. They're poisoning us. They're poisoning. They're poisoning. the water. And if it's true, they're poisoning the food. That fluoride is connected to lower IQ and children. One of the best things you can do is get a Brita filter. And that is my PSA for the day.

And we will also link up to the Brita filter. Does that not blow your mind? Ever Brne has told us to say this. Does this not blow your mind? No, it's, it does blow my mind. I'm not, I presented no conspiracy. I presented facts of history. Here's the opposing argument.

People are going to say like the same thing that they said to me yesterday when I posted that there was red 40 die in my glucose test. What are they going to say? They're going to say, well, it's not in your water at a harmful amount. I think that I, listen. It's water. It's like what we drink the most of. But what I would say is that,

I'm not coming out with this study that the U.S. This is what started at all. The U.S. Department of Health and Science or whatever it was came out with that toxicology report about fluoride. They are the ones who said 1.5 milligrams is linked to lower IQ and short. I didn't want to go down this path. I'm using crest. I love crest. It tastes good.

My mouth is minty. No, baby, we use synodine. Yeah, it's in there too. Great. Oh, but lumeno, it doesn't. And we just started using that one. I'm just saying it's crazy. We just, we did just start working with them too.

Which, babe, when I tell you that I asked chatchee B.T. Perfect timing. When I tell you, I was going down this path and I was like, this is all a PR lobbying effort. And I asked if I just go, was Edward Bernays involved in this? And when Chatsy PT said yes, my mind was blown. Edward Bernays, we got to look out for him. We got to read some books on that guy. He also was, I know, but what he did in the past, because it's still probably a

No, I think he was probably one of the most shady. I mean, if Hitler reached out to him. Yeah, he was, he turned it down, but he was the one. I think that... Such good character. I think that what the public was able to be sold on in that low information age is probably absolutely insane. So let me tell you, 1920s, he also was responsible for at the time men were like the only, it was only men smoking cigarettes.

Women did not like smoking cigarettes because it made them smell bad. It made their teeth yellow. It made them stink. They just felt gross. Edward Bernays was responsible for this campaign targeting women because they really wanted women to get hooked on smoking cigarettes and basically put up like all these posters and photoshoots and campaigns of really skinny, really skinny, beautiful women smoking cigarettes. So basically there's narrative.

it became this narrative. If I smoke, I will lose weight. And so a lot of women were trying to lose weight. And because apparently smoking a cigarette, I've never, never tried one, but apparently it takes weight like your appetite. And so a lot of women were like, oh, if I smoke, I'll be beautiful and skinny like that girl. So he got all these really skinny beautiful models to be smoking. And then in the campaign like blew up. Like women started like smoking like none other because they all wanted to be skinny and beautiful. If you studied this guy, his whole business was literally working for big conglomerate companies and manipulating the masses to buy more products. That was his whole foundation of his business. And it talks a lot about

how he he would hobnob with government officials, the mayor of New York would invite him over to parties. He is the definition of the elite. It's still, that is obviously still happening to this day with lobbyists and misinformation. But thank goodness. It's harder. where you still, like at least we can try to challenge some of these narratives now. But like think about in the 20s, how would you have? But the very definition, so the reason I think it's funny that like why gave my, you know, my cliff note on conspiracy theory is like the very, I think the origination of that word was to discredit people who were trying to come up with ideas that were counter to what like

the PR, the lobbyist wanted them to believe. So it's like, oh, let me just. label you a conspiracy theories. And it's worked for a long time. But I think, oh, Jordan's crazy. Because you really-

But I think what's happening now is like there's too much information out there to where it's like you can't say I'm a conspiracy theory because I'm literally just presenting evidence. You're just challenging the norm. Right. And that doesn't mean that you're right and they're wrong. Like you're just trying to learn more. But you can go down this.

You can go. There's still our conspiracy theories. Because if you let your brain go too wild, like you are basically like there's lizard people. Yeah. Which there will be people in our DMs that are like, well, hey, stop. There could be. And I'm like, hey, maybe in two years, just like I wrote off the fluoride woman, maybe in two years, I'm like, he's a lizard.

I don't know. So let me share with you another conspiracy theory that actually came across my Instagram that, I don't know. I want to share it because I do feel like it affects a lot of other women out there. and I would say women, woman, did I say right? Woman? Women.

I feel like it affects a lot of other women out there. And let me just share the information and you can take it for what it's worth because honestly I think that's the biggest struggle with a lot of information. Like I have been researching Potocin lately and I have had Potocin for both of my labors, which Potocin is something that they give you to speed up your labor and delivery. And, but apparently, like, it has some negative side effects to it. And so, but for me, I'm just trying to figure out, like, okay, what do I do with that information? So do I not take it?

Do I, even getting the Rogam shot, I've had a lot of people in my DMs that are like, no, don't get the Rogam shot. There's a lot of, like, negative side effects. But I'm like, I'm, RH negative. If my baby has a positive blood type, my body could attack the baby. Like, I just don't know what to do with a lot of it. this one is particularly about C-sections. And the, what's crazy about C-sections is that they are a lot more expensive to be done. So if you have like a natural labor, it is 71% more expensive to have a C-section done.

Um, the average cost for a C-section is $51,000 compared to an uncomplicated natural birth, which is $32,000. One in the average cost for a C-section is $51,000. One in the average cost for a C-section is $51,000 is $51,000. One in the average cost. One and one and one, three births now are C-sections, which is crazy. The increase of C-section births jumped by 60% from 1996 to 2009. Wait, that's crazy. 60%. That's crazy. From 2009 to 2019, it decreased from 30 to 31% of all births. But then since 2019, C-sections have increased to 32% of all births. which is crazy. But that rise from 1996 to 2009,

it's almost like they figured something out. Yeah, they figured out is more profitable, probably. Not only that, but there's a lot of financial incentives and for people even working in hospitals because it's a lot faster. And a lot of times you can schedule them.

So like think about if a mom were to have, and this is why I struggle with the Potocin situation and everything. And the reason it affects me so much is because I have had the worst postpartum, like horrible. And the first time I was postpartum, I literally pushed so hard that I threw my back out and I couldn't walk for the first week that my baby was here because I was like completely numb. And the way I was pushing was just so I thought that I was supposed to be pushing like

from the movies like as hard as I possibly can. I didn't even know what I was doing to my body and I threw my back out. That's crazy. Not only that I was it, the postpartum depression was so intense for me for three months. I literally laid in bed and thought about how I like basically wanted to die. Like it was so extreme. Like it was, I've never experienced anything like this. And they say because of the epidural or the potocin, a lot of these things like, I mean,

of course your hormones are dropping, but they're saying a lot of these things could be linked to postpartum depression. Who knows? But I do remember when I went into labor, my doctor was going to be available at 7 a.m. So everything revolved around trying to get me ready to deliver at 7 a.m. I had already, when I got to the hospital, I was already like 90% effaced and I was 8 centimeters dilated. Y'all, I basically could have labored at home and given birth at home. Like I was so far along. and I still got, and don't get me wrong.

I was in so much freaking pain. I was like, give me that dang epidural. Like, I don't care if I'm laboring for another five minutes. I was like, give me that epidural. But the potosin was interesting because I was progressing, like so fast. And, but if they gave me the potosin, I would be on schedule. Therefore, I'd be in and out. Therefore, they could get another mom in there, be in and out.

These nurses could move on. They wouldn't have to. And I'm not, I don't know for sure if that's. No, I do know for sure. They told me, remember, they were trying to schedule it for 7 a.m. They were, like, trying to schedule around the doctor, not around my body. Yeah. I think the world runs on incentives.

And it's like, it's, it maybe even isn't this, like, moral debate in their minds. And it probably, like, you lose the morality in delivering babies after you, like, or taking care of patients in a hospital system after you do it for months or years, right? But if the incentive structure is to churn through patients and to, you know, like focus on the bottom line because the medical... Which is getting a healthy baby out. That's not the bottom line. But that's the bottom line that they communicate to me. Yeah, that's what that's what it's wrapped in.

But I think the bottom line for hospitals, like if you're a hospital administrator that's looking at the P&L of a hospital, you are saying how can we optimize and make things more efficient? It's a business. It's a business. It's hard for me to believe that Potocin isn't factored into, okay, well, if we use potosin, we can get people churned out faster. We can make things happen more.

We can get these many patients instead of this many patients. I think you lose the Hippocratic oath in that, right? When you decide to be a part of it? When you realize you're running a business and you have a board and stakeholders and you're a public company and you have to answer to shareholders. It's just like how do you tow that line between making moral decisions of what is best and write for the patient when you're running a business. Yeah.

And I get it to a certain extent. But like I'm also now starting to question like are the negative side effects from the epidural and the, which I probably will always get the epidural. Sorry. I'm like the negative side effects are worth it for me. But the potosin and some of these other things, I'm like, are the negative side effects worth it? Like is it better for me, my body to be in labor for 24 hours and to feel decent for the next

three months than to try to have a 7 a.m. delivery so my doctor can be there. I don't know. I'm not saying that I even like know the answer to this because honestly I like I might get Potocin again. Like I don't I don't really know what the, but if I had solid facts that Potocin did X, Y, and Z and I knew that it was linked to my postpartum depression, I would probably like I would opt out. I would opt out of it 100%. And to be honest, I think that's why you have so many. women these days that are so on board with having home births or all natural births with no epidural and no drugs. And I've heard this. I didn't watch Daryland's delivery, but Ellie told me that she talked about how like her postpartum recovery was like 10 times easier than her other two.

And she had a, she didn't have an epidural. And I don't know. Like maybe there's something to that because she could control her body and she knew exactly how much to push and how much strain and stress to carry when I was numb completely like from the waist down and I'm going way too hard in the pain, you know? It says potosin, a synthetic form of oxytocin often used to induce her augment labor has been suggested in some research to potentially influence postpartum mood disorders like postpartum depression. The exact connection is not fully established, but here are a few insights. Hormonal impact, the delivery experience, i.e., you know, more intense contractions and

higher rates of interventions, which may contribute to stress, trauma, or dissatisfaction, all risk factors for postpartum depression. And then individual factors, postpartner depression is multifactorial influenced by biologists, psychological factors, and social. While potosin may play a role for some, other factors like sleep deprivation, hormonal changes, support systems, and preexisting mental concerns are significant contributors as well. So basically it's not definitively linked, but it may be one piece in a complex puzzle of factors. Yeah, exactly. So that's kind of like what they said, like when Stella had like got the, the

vaccine. Yeah, the MMR and then got cold. I do care you. They were like, well, you know. I'm like, yeah. Like, it wasn't that. It was like it was dormant. It might have just woken it up.

And I'm like, okay. So the same thing. What do you think? Do you think that Potosin? Oh, I was about to say something. Oh, here's another interesting. I've actually never really shared this experience of giving birth to Stratton because honestly, it was so, it wasn't traumatic. But it kind of was for like the 30 minutes after he was born.

And I didn't want to go into it because it was so emotional. And I was like, I just don't want people asking about it. And like, but this was another weird thing with Stratton's delivery. So I got Potocin both times, epidural both times. When Stratton came out, like, he, Stratton did not cry for the first, like, two weeks of his life. He never cried. Like when they tell you, when a baby comes out, they, they start hitting them because they want them to cry because it shows that they're healthy. Stratton came out and was not breathing and was like limp and they had to rush in all this like emergency,

these nurses and doctors and put him on oxygen and they're like slapping the crap out of him. And he just was like acting like stunned, like so stressed and so shocked. And I'm like, is he breathing? And they're like, well, if he doesn't cry, like we should be worried. And I was like, okay. So like even all my afterbirth pictures, I'm like literally just like this, like looking like just like waiting for. for the, the cries. I could like cry just thinking about it, like how scared I was because I was like, why is he not breathing? Why is he not crying? Even when we took him home, he did not cry ever

for two weeks. It was the weirdest thing. Like babies cry. And I felt like in the moment, I was like something like really stressful happened to him when he came out. And like, I don't know if it was, who knows what it could be. It could be the potocin. It could have just been like, but they, they told me the whole delivery, everything was healthy. So like, why did he come out like that? I don't know. Are you going to do, so you're, are you going to try and avoid Potocin this time? Not I'm talking about this.

I feel like I should. Yeah. That's different than the epidural? Yeah. Soson is a different thing. And the epidural is also not good for you, but like, that's kind of like one of those things. It's just science.

Modern science. No, that's just one of those things where like, I don't know how I'm supposed to do about. No, that's what I'm saying. it's like blessing in modern science. Yeah, like, I mean, I could try. That's a very personal decision. You know what really gets me? I still think I should comment on this.

I feel like I could get through the contractions. It's the ring of fire that everybody talks about. That's not. Yeah, that's the part that that's when the body, like, the baby actually starts to transition out. And like your little like hips, like, your bones and hips like split apart so the baby can fit their head. And like, people have said it's just like it's so much pain. that you literally feel like you leave your body and you're like watching yourself die.

I think that we should have like renamed that. Like maybe like portal, portal from heaven. Portal to life. Or like, yeah. The ring of fire. Yeah, the ring of fire. So I don't know. Just that that's something that makes you go,

hmm. I'm going to get so many DMs about this. Like, Danny, don't get Patotin. Don't get the epidural. Like all the granola mams. I love you, Granola. I wish I was as strong as the granola moms. I'm getting there.

Maybe it's just our audience, but I feel like, I feel like everyone's becoming more granola. Yeah, because the information, and I wonder if it's because Elon Musk on Twitter now. I mean, microplastics, we're pretty screwed, guys. There's really no escaping them. Okay. So enough with the conspiracy theories. I want to end on something fun. Jordan and I are going to give you guys homework.

Homer. Who wants homework? This is actually kind of fun. Well, I mean, hopefully it's fun for you and chat Chb-T favors you. It's only fun if you use chat GBT because it has to get to know you. Oh, okay. So maybe start using chat GPT for like two weeks and then try this. Will you tell them about the prompt?

Because y'all, it was so accurate when it came to me and Dordons. Yeah. So I found this on Twitter. And the prompt, so if you use chat GPT a lot, it kind of starts storing memories about you, which I know people are going to be like, oh my gosh. But this is a fun one. If you prompt it and you say, from all of our interactions, what is one thing that you can tell me about myself that I may not already know about myself. It's really, really interesting.

Do you think it nailed mine? I think it nailed yours. Okay, you can read yours because like, you know it's like such a subtle flex. It said about you. Well, you read yours. No, you read your. Okay. I'll read mine. So it said and listen, I didn't, I didn't tell it to say this. Okay. It said you're. It's so accurate about Jordan though. It's like creepy. It said you are highly strategic and deeply intentional and nearly everything you do from your investments in your approach and raising kids and building a family-oriented community. You have a strong vision for things that matter to you, but there's a theme of balance running through it all, financial conservatism paired with bold ventures, urban proximity with family-friendly

serenity, and building security while embracing freedom. This level of balance suggests you are highly adaptable but also anchored by clear values, which might explain why you're drawn to sustainable, thoughtful approaches in every aspect of your life. It might be that you're driven by a desire not just to succeed, but to create lasting value and meaning in everything you undertake, something not everyone's, wait, something not everyone brings to such a wide range of goals. I thought it was so sweet. I only tell them it's so sweet.

So sweet of you. Thank you, baby. So sweet of you. I said, thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed the reflection. Can I tell you? Can I tell you this is so me what I did after this? I never told you this. Well, it's so funny because it's like I did it for you. I didn't tell you. And you found it.

No, but I have to tell you what I did after you did mine. Okay. This is probably so you. Well, first of all, let me find. I feel like your prompts are like, like, what's in a hot chito? You're like, who named a hot chito? True. I did. What's your favorite

Chipotle were? My last one was Top rated chick flicks. So, but I need to find where you asked it because the

question I had after is why do some people hate Danny Austin? It's like searching the web searching Reddit saying

and it just summarized it. It did. It told me. Oh, it did? Yeah. Dang. Okay. Read.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait. Read. That's hard. Yeah. That's so bold. Wealth display and relateability. Well, hey, hold on.

I want to hear this answer. Transparency and controversies. Criticism of the influencer industry. Don't worry. It gets paragraphs in examples. Oh, okay. Wait, like really? Like, really?

Like, Yeah. from content? Okay, I don't really think this is right. I think it's probably talking about more. Some critics feel that influencers, including DNA, can come across as overly polished. I don't really think that. I think it's being too broad. Or not entirely transparent, especially if they promote a high volume of sponsored content. If followers feel that the content becomes too focused on sales or partnerships, they may question the authenticity. I feel like it's very generic. I think it's probably just analyzing what do people not like about influencers.

Let's see, there's anything specific. Not really. It just has little paragraphs. You so would do that. Yes, I did that. I don't even know where the good part is. Well, the question before. What did the prompt say about you?

The other one I have is Burking Methan Cow Farts. Okay. So, mine was short. From all of our interactions, from all of our interactions, what is one thing that you can tell about me, about myself that I may not know about myself? Yeah. Was that the problem? Yeah, that's problem. From our chats, it seems like you're naturally skilled at understanding what resonates with people.

You're detail-oriented and insightful in a way that lets you create content that feels both authentic and engaging to your audience. It's not just about what you share, but how you tailor your message to make it feel personal and relatable, which is a unique strength in building connections online. Does that resonate with you? I said, yes. That's good. Yeah, so y'all should do that. It's really... Yeah, so you should do it.

You should do that one, but don't... And then you should ask it why people don't like you and learn about yourself and change. And change. Anyway. That was good. That was fun time. That was a good time. Tell us if you like these conspiracy hours or if you have any conspiracies yourself that we should dig into.

Because here's another thing. We could debunk some conspiracies. Like, I think we landed on the moon. Jordan doesn't. I don't not. I also think J.S.K. That's not true. Don't brand me as that. That's too much.

I mean, I'm like, it's like questionable maybe, but like, I don't know. I don't feel well prepared for that statement we just made. Well, just tell us about other ones that you guys would like for us to talk about at least. Because we can just give a layman's perspective, you know? Yeah. And even if you're like super like, you know, academically prideful and you're like, oh my gosh, conspiracies. I hate them.

Mainstream media. Like just have fun with it. Like come and have fun. Just entertain it. Like live in this alternate reality with us. Like, yeah, just be delusual. Just be a little delulu. Like just have some fun.

Yeah. Yeah. We're not hurting anybody. Yeah. We're not hurting anybody. Just don't drink water anymore. Man, we were like raised on host water though. Oh, dude.

Oh, my God. It always had that metal taste to it. Yeah. It was so good, though. It was so good when it's hot outside. Yeah, when you were in the ER, I went outside and some guy was like watering the plants. And I was like, can I have a sip of that? I was like, kind of a sip of that. I'm kind of thirsty. I'm dead.

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