De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - From Hustling to Farm Life: Let's De-Influence the Beverlins

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

Y'all we are so excited for today's episode. This has seriously been two years in the making! We are so excited to be De-Influencing one of our OG Influencer friends, Laura and Marky Beverlin.  Today we're reminiscing on both of our starts in the influencer world and the Beverlins are sharing more about their journey from hustling to farm life. Plus, the pair shares more on their struggle with infertility and where they are on their journey now.  We're so grateful for their openness on this episode and for spending time with the De-influencers today! Let us know what you thought of this episode! We scored some great deals with a few of our favorite brands for our listeners: Huggies Little Snugglers, now with blowout protection in every direction* *Sizes 1-2. Huggies. Huggies.com. Shop the best selection of home improvement online. Get renovating with Wayfair. Head to Wayfair.com right now. Don’t settle for less than evidence-based support. Get 25% off your first month at ritual.com/DEINFLUENCED. Receive 50% off your first order. To claim this deal you must go to hiyahealth.com/DANIAUSTIN. This deal is not available on their regular website. Come hang with us at Dear Media IRL on Thursday, October 11th in Dallas! Head to dearmedia.com/events for all the details and to grab your tickets! Give yourself the luxury you deserve with Quince! Go to Quince.com/dani for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Make your life easier—shop Amazon.com for college. With Amazon’s low Off-to-College Prices, just save on college, save the everyday. Make sure you’re subscribed to our official channel on YouTube, @deinfluencedpodcast, and follow us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your De-Influenced fix! Stay connected with us on Instagram and TikTok @deinfluencedpodcast, and as always thank you for being a part of this journey.  we love y'all!! D + J

The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. Dee In Influents. Y'all are not going to believe who we have on today's podcast. The funny thing is, so our podcast producer, Carissa, this is her last day because she's moving on to greener pastures. And we're going to miss you, RIP. But it's so funny, this is like a full circle moment because the day that she started working

here, we tried to get these guests, and we got them on your last day. So today on the podcast, we have Laura and Markey Beaverlin. They have over 1.6 million followers. She's an OG and lifestyle influencer. And they're doing some really cool other things that we're super excited to talk about. But not only that, they are two of our really good friends. We were talking about this. We've been friends for almost 10 years. It might even be 10 years. It might even be 10 years. right now, but like, it's crazy. I think I knew Laura before I even, like, married Jordan, which is wild.

But anyway, thanks for coming to the podcast. Why did you guys say no for so many years? Put us on the spot. No, honestly, I think it was like kind of like us being like so back and forth. It just like, me taking time off and whatever. It happened. I knew. I didn't try to rush it because I just knew.

I was like, one day it's going to happen. You've got to tell Laura about your time off. She would love. Honestly, no, I had so much respect for that. And I, like, I needed to do that too. I feel like I was forced into it, but respect it. Two months. I kind of feel like I have kind of forced myself into it.

It was like a, it wasn't like, I'm going to take two months off because this is healthy. It was like, crash it to the wall. Time to blow my life. No, that was me. I got sick at the end of the year. And I was like, I need to take time off. Like, I knew I needed to do it. And I got the flu.

And I was literally so dead. dead sick and couldn't move. And I was like, this was like God telling me I needed a break and like just. So how long were you off? I, and honestly don't remember how much I didn't post on Instagram, but I was so sick like all during Christmas and New Year's last year. And I was just like, I knew I just like needed a break and that was what God forced for me. Yeah. Ask Danny how many times she's had the flu last year last year. Last year. Ten times. I believe it. But I feel like it's like the stress and everything and God's like, okay, you're done. Like time to take a break. He was telling me something.

Yeah. He was definitely telling me something and I wasn't listening. But then I did and I had to. One more post. The biggest bummer is it happened during like Q4, which was like kind of the biggest time of the year. And literally I just like November, December was just, it was. I watched these, uh, these TikTokers, you know, who are like kind of like up and coming

and they're like creating a bunch of content. And I have two different feelings about it. I'm curious what you all think. Number one is I'm like, man, they will never. understand the grind of daily stories. Oh, yeah. Or outfit pictures three times a day. Like, are you kidding me?

Posting three times a day. That's what I started with. That's what we all did. Literally, like, it was like morning, noon, and night. Three times a day. Three different outfits. Y'all don't understand the trips that Laura and I've been on. Like the amount of outfit changes, hair changes, makeup changes.

The whole day was just going out and getting pictures in the exact perfect lighting and then coming home and editing. Editing. Oh, for hours. And that we were talking about this because the first, so, okay, let's, let's take it back. So this is like probably 2016, 2017 era. Laura Beverlin was known for that. Okay.

Like, if you know, then you know and if you don't know, oh my goodness, like her photos, they're like art. They were like art. And, but like nobody could figure out how she did it. Like, you know, and so I go to, I think we met at LTK conference. Yes. Yes. And I think that was the one maybe I snuck into.

I can't remember because I don't think I was actually invited to that one. I do think it was the one. I think I just showed up. I think I just kind of showed up. But I was like, I have hair extensions. I can fit every girl. No one's going to know. You know, I got a straight.

I'm like, it'll work. So I meet Laura. And like she is like, I'm like so nervous to meet her because I'm like, you guys don't know. She was like royalty of the LTC world. This is true. Okay. It is true.

It is true. It is true. But I don't remember how he started. talking but she agreed to teach me how to edit and I remember this now we were in the hallway you showed me on light room how you turn up this and turn this down and I was just like mind blown and I come home and I tell jor I'm like you're not gonna believe who taught me how to edit laura freaking beverlin like I was so excited but it really did help my game like my editing it was all about the edit back then and now looking back I'm like I spent so much time too much

time on all of those photos but that was the expectation that's what we all But I mean, I feel like now it's like the natural approach. It's like just real life. You snap it. You post it and that's it. Who did you back in the day? Like who did you learn that from? Because I feel like what I remember from that time was you were very analytical.

Like I feel like you really understood the algorithm and what it wanted. And we always talk about this. But do you remember all of the husbands having to take photos with a Starbucks cup with you guys sitting in cars? The props. Her car pictures with the popcorn. I remember too, people were like, Laura Beverlin lives in her car because every single photo, every day was like we went to Starbucks. And I even like some of those photos, a lot of those photos were empty Starbucks cups.

I would say. Yeah. They were all empty. But. So did you discover that or did you have like someone that you were looking at the time? I honestly don't remember where it came from. I don't remember. I feel like it was just like great lighting in the car.

Like if you took a selfie, it was just like the best lighting was in the car. So that's what that and the curb pictures with the Starbucks. And I think it was like I posted it one time and the algorithm liked it. The picture went like 10,000 or 15,000 likes, which was insane back then. And it was like, okay, I'm going to recreate it. And that was a thing back then. And even reposting the exact same photo. Like if you took a photo and it did like really well, reposted exact same photo,

changed the caption. And it would do it again. So I think that was just like replicating that. But again, just diving into the analytics. I remember the first time we all. hung out. I was like, oh, they are kind of working so much smarter, not harder than everyone else because you, that's really all you did. Like, you lived in your car and just took a picture every morning. The props would change with the season. So if it was like summer, we'd have

sunflowers. If it was fall, you'd have pumpkins. Like, and we're all out here, like, traveling to London trying to get cool pictures. And Laura's like, I'm in my car and on the curb doing, doing the same thing killing it. I think it just felt real life. Even though it was obviously so staged with all the props and everything, but it was just like it looked so in the moment. But then- inspirational. Yeah. You just did what worked. But I honestly don't know where that originated from, like where the inspo came from.

Can we go back to like the early days? Because so on the podcast, we kind of like to de-influence ourselves, de-influencer, you know, our past. Where did you, like, how did you even get into creating content at all? It just kind of happened. So just backstory. I worked in a corporate accounting office. I was an accounts receivable clerk for one of the largest egg distributing companies in the United States. So I was like counting eggs essentially, but I was doing invoicing and sending them to

Walmart and Target and everything. So I was like the billing person for that. The worst job for my personality, because I am a creative type and I sat in an office at a desk with no windows. It was like catty, older women. But I was like, I am an office girly. Like I put on cute outfits. I wore high heels to work every day. I got excited to get dressed for work. And I started just taking pictures of what I wore to work. I would walk into the office bathroom, take like that downward selfie of my outfit, and that's what my Instagram started. If you scroll back like 5,000 photos, like that's what you'll see. It was that and like nail pictures in my car, like of my hand, like lots of hand pictures, selfies and those bathroom outfit pictures. And it was just a creative outlet. It was something

where I was kind of bored out of my mind at my job and I needed something fun and creative. So I started doing that, discovered Pinterest, discovered like the OG blogger, girls like Rich Parcell, Amber Filler up, like, and they weren't on Instagram. This was blogs. This was blogs. And they were posting their blog posts through Pinterest and that whole world. And I was like, wait, this is amazing. Like, this is so cool. So I just kind of like fell down that rabbit hole. And I was like, wait, I can do this. So I just started sharing outfits. And then it kind of evolved. I think Express reposted one of my outfits. So I wasn't on LTK. This was like before LTK was really a thing because It was blogs.

So I had discovered LTK, applied for it, got denied because I didn't have a blog. I was like only on Instagram at this point. And so I was like tagging brands in my office. So it was like if I wore express jeans, I put like express like on my jeans like in the photo so people could tap it and see. I see people. There was no one looking at my stuff at this point. Marky was.

Yeah. Marky, he was my biggest fan, biggest supporter from day one. But Express saw my post and they reposted. did my photo, like, in front of, like, our brown garage doors. Like, I vividly remember this photo. And I think I gained, like, 6,000 followers or something from that. And it was, like, a huge bump. And I was like, wait, we have something here. So then I, like, actually started taking us. 6,000 followers. She's like, we're moving down here. Hollywood. That was really, like, the thing where I'm like, okay, we have something here. And it was, like, super

exciting. And I was like, okay, I'm going to take this seriously. Started posting better pictures. We got, like, a point and shoot cannon camera. We upgraded from our iPhone at the time. and then it just kind of grew from there and we just literally learned as we went. We had no idea how to take photos. I wasn't literally Googling how to get the blurry background in a photo. I was like, is there an app?

I was like, it's an app. Is it editing? I'm like, we didn't even know what any of that was. I was blurring it out like in an app like smoothing on the background. Marky Googles it. He's like, babe, this is a lens. Like it's photography.

Yeah. We're like, oh. So we're like, okay. But all of it was just completely self-taught. There was no guide to being a blogger or an influencer at that time. So we just figured everything out ourselves. I learned how to code a website. I built my own website by myself, coded everything.

And yeah, it really. It's so nostalgic like hearing all this because I was like all of us as couple friends were in the same boat. All the Instagram husbands would be like, guys, our life is so weird. Like all we do is take pictures of our wives all day. And we're like, wait, but I think this is turning into something at the same time. Well, so I want to know, Markey, like, so y'all were married at that point? Like, where were you all at in life? And Markey, what did you think about all of this?

Were you working to and being like, oh, I just want to support her hobby? Like, yeah, what were you thinking? I think I saw the potential from the beginning because, like, I saw her growing and then I saw, like, you know, she was getting small deals with brands where they'd be giving her free stuff. So I really knew there was like a potential there. So as it started to grow, like I was really supportive of it. I think I was one of the probably original like, um, yeah, say it. Influencer husbands that like that, that just like dove into it and was like, like behind.

And a lot of, a lot of the husbands were like, I don't want to take your picture. I don't know. This is dumb. Like this is silly. Like, why are we, why are we late for dinner every night? Like, and I was just kind of like, I'm just in on it. And, um, I remember that. Yeah, there was like the class of Instagram husbands that were like all in.

And then there was the class that was like, No, you know, like I'm just here on the trip because I was invited. I remember Marky, like we were on a trip to, I think we were in Nashville or Indianapolis. I can't remember, but Emily Heron was shooting her Steve Madden collab and her shoes got messed up or something. Do you remember this? Yes. And we're like all panicking because we're like, oh my gosh, she's launching these shoes tomorrow. And Marky gets on the phone.

He's like, yeah, like I'll ship them overnight. Like he was like so just like he was there. handled it. He was like Champagne Chanel's Instagram husband at the time. She wasn't married yet. And he was like, hey, I got you. Like he was like always our go-to guy for taking photos for helping. And not that Jordan wasn't great at, you honestly were not very good at taking photos at the time.

We all had our different talents. But Marky was like really like the photographer of the crew. And Jordan tried and he tries still. But it is a blessing now that we've shifted more to like the real life and it doesn't have to all look so pretty. Because then now I feel like we thrive with that. with like the messy, you know. Yeah, no, it's so funny. Like that point you're touching on is like Marky being really good at like photography

and like, let's say, me being really good at stories or something. It was funny because when the husbands would get together, you guys would all compare us to each other. So like, like Markey does something really great and like Marky takes photos. And then it would be like, why can't you take photos? And then it's like whenever I would do like stories or something, like people would be like, why can't you film me like Jordan Phillips dating? And it's like, I've literally said that to Marky so many times.

No, like I just pull your phone out. Yeah. She's like, why are you not following me around all day long with your phone out? 100%. My bad. And there are cost to that. Let me tell you. And it's, it's just so funny because there, there, it was such a small tight-knit group

that was doing it in this kind of like mommy blogger sphere. And, uh, God, we hustled so hard. So hard. It was like, so much. almost killed ourselves. No, y'all, I wish people understood, like, how much work it was. It was just, I'm so happy it's how it is now. But I feel like, yeah, everyone kind of has to go through a little bit of that grind.

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I'm like, aren't you all 16 years? I know. Like, I don't understand. It also doesn't feel that long, which is crazy. Like, I remember our wedding day like it was yesterday. It feels like it's gone by so fast, but then we've also, it also feels like we've lived three separate lives because so much has changed and we've done so much together. But we did.

We met through church Bible study. And we lived in two separate towns, went to two separate churches. And it's actually funny how, how it all happened. So our youth pastor, her daughter was becoming a youth pastor as well. And she got a job at Markey's church. So her mom was at my church. Her Rachel was her name was at Markey's church. And his mom was like, hey, Markey, there's this really cute youth pastor here.

And she is... She's trying to bring me back to church more. I was away at college. So she's like, oh, you should come back and be at church more. And there's this really cute girl there. She's the youth pastor. And you should, you know... try and pursue her kind of thing.

And I was like, I guess. So Markey started going back to church and going to all of like the youth group things and everything. So we went to combined Bible studies because we were going to take a summer trip together. And we ended up meeting just just through friends and hanging out. We went to like movies and different stuff together. And I was like, this guy is for me. Like I had a boyfriend at the time. And there was like there's something so special about Markey.

And I just felt drawn to him. And I messaged him on my space. told him that he gave good hugs. My space. I technically made the first move and then we started dating after that. And I proposed six months later. Got engaged. Wow.

That is so crazy. Okay. So, and so then Laura starts blogging, doing her thing. At what point did you guys make the move to start working together like full time? It was always kind of our dream and our goal to work. together. So Markey worked in commercial finance and he was analyzing businesses all day long. So he'd come home and kind of tell me like, oh, I got to look at this really cool company. And one of them was like a tanning company. He'd always tell me the ones that were like kind of fun and like

interesting for me. We just always had the stream of like one day we could work together and like start our own company. And we had no idea how that was going to happen. Like we didn't come. My parent, my dad worked for the same company for 30 years. He didn't start his own company. We had no real ideas or experience in any of that stuff. It was just always this dream we had. And then we started renovating houses was like our first thing that we started doing together. We both like worked our nine to five jobs and then would renovate our house in our spare time just because that's what we had to do to be able to afford to update things. The house renovation.

I can't wait to get into that. But this, it started from the very beginning. We bought our first house for like $70,000. And it was very dated. it needed a ton of work and we would just do it ourselves. Like we got home from work and we just like would rip up the carpet and put down new flooring, change tile. But how did you all know how to do that?

Are you just really handy or no? Yeah, we're just, well, she grew up doing it a little bit with her dad, like helping him out. He had a lot of, he'd buy rental properties and fix him up. But like me, I was just always really handy. I love working with my hands. So I'd look at a YouTube video and figure it out. Jordan, why can't you be more handy like marketing?

Have you heard that one before? I'm sorry. 100%. No. I never said that. Look at him. He's ripping up the carpet. I'm sorry, Danny. I don't know how. Well, it is like very rare to have. Sometimes I feel like content creators are only good at one thing, which is creating content. So it's rare when they actually have like a talent outside of creating content. Like building houses or, you know, being handy. So yeah. So that makes it like more interesting to follow. Yeah. The renovation started from like day one of our marriage basically. When we bought our first house. And then we kind of use it as a stepping stone.

No, actually, let's go back to the mobile home that we lived in. Yes. Yeah, so our first house. We lived in a single wide mobile home that I was renting for 350 bucks a month. Yes. What a deal. Okay, so listen, there was a, there was a Band-Aid on the window when we moved into this place, just to paint the picture.

There was a Band-Aid on the window, and we were, like, cleaning everything, getting it ready to move in. I pulled off the Band-Aid, and it was a bullet hole. Oh. In the window. So that was where we started, and we rented it for $350 a month. and we got married when we lived there. I think we lived there for like another six months or so,

and then we bought our first house. Wow. So that had to be crazy when you start becoming like successful on Instagram and you're like, what is happening in my world? It's almost like you don't believe that it's real life. You kind of feel like you kind of have to like suck it dry, right? Because you're like, is this going to go away? Yeah, is it going to last?

Did you feel that way? Oh, for sure. Yeah. We all did. Yeah. We were like this. We got solid two years out of this thing. Yeah.

It feels unbelievable that it. is the reality you live in knowing where we came from and like what we started with. Do you still feel that way sometimes? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. It's like it's almost like imposter syndrome or something. It's like you're living a life that it just doesn't feel like reality.

I want to ask you guys this. So like how is your relationship with the internet changed over the past, say, like two or three years? Because I feel like your story has kind of mirrored ours where we both went through that crazy grind period. And then you guys moved on to a farm, which I was always supportive of. And I feel like the pace that you run now is you're still consistent. You still post. You're still creating content. But I think that it feels like where we're at where it's not, it's not everything anymore. So how is the relationship with the internet shifted? It's definitely changed a lot. And I feel like the last year was a big shift for me. And it's just finding peace in what I'm doing and that balance of the grind

and the work life balance. So I feel like I've kind of taken a step back. I'm still on Instagram. I'm still on stories every day. But I know my audience has felt it and noticed it because they're like, I feel like you're not on here every day. You're not sharing as much. And like I feel like I needed that mentally and just to have that peace and just enjoy the life that we have. now. We've worked so hard to get here where it almost felt like we weren't enjoying everything. It's like you kind of like have blinders on. Like anyone from the outside, they like look at our life and like, wow, it's so amazing. But it doesn't always feel the way that it looks. So I'm like, I want my life to feel as good as it looks. And that means like taking a step back and enjoying real life,

enjoying our farm and kind of like putting my phone down more. Can I ask you this? I feel that the internet sort of towards the end of our grind, started picking up. They could almost like see it in our eyes that we were, that we were like trying to be happy. And but like deep down, we were all like drained and burned out. So do you think that the decision to shift into more of a like real, hey, I'm really happy and I'm showing that I'm happy and that authenticity has actually been something that the internet culture has caught up to as well.

Like it feels like the people who are still grinding. and trying so hard, the internet sees that now, right, in a way that they didn't before. Do you feel that? I think they appreciate the realness and they can tell. And people are like, you look happier. And I'm like, I feel happier. So I do feel like it comes across and people can see that and feel that. And I do feel like it's like, I don't know to say it's like become like an expectation,

but like it is more noticeable when you see someone that's not in that same space. So my next question, because I've walked through this with Danny and y'all are both three. Yes. Three and eight grams. Okay, so y'all are both achievers and you're cut from the same cloth. Has it been hard for you to accept that you don't have to grind all day, every day, and still be complete? Yes, it's so hard. I feel like being a three is a blessing and a curse because that's what God is here.

It is that driving factor. And Markey and I are very opposite. Markey is a nine. I'm a nine. I've heard. He's not a three. He's not into the any of course. but I have told him and explained to him how that works, but he truly balances me out.

And I think it's like such a good thing to have him as like very chill, very content, peacemaker. Yeah, I definitely need. So is it still a daily struggle? Yeah, yeah. To let go and to say, okay, I don't have to show up today. I just need, I can take care of myself and that's going to be okay just for today. It is hard for me to shut off and like rest truly, but I know that it's a good thing.

consciously make an effort to do that every day. So yeah, it's kind of hard to shut it off. It's cool because I know exactly how you feel, but it's like, it's almost like we're being better role models online by like not showing up because it's like taking care of yourself and prioritizing yourself and showing like I have this whole life outside of the internet and outside of like what I'm posting and sharing is healthy. And people can see like they don't know everything I did today when like, oh my gosh, in the past, it was like, I'm going to lunch. Here's my, here's what I eat. Here's what I did. Here's the shoes I'm

wearing. Here's the socks. I'm wearing these underwear right now. Like you have to share. They won't know I'm at lunch. I didn't know that I ate. People, I remember people used to comment and be like, girl, like, man, you only eat this or you never eat. I'm like, the fact that y'all feel like you know what I eat throughout the day is a problem. And that was my lack of boundaries that I had with my audience. And, um, but still then I feel like the times that we show up, it's so much more real and healthy and not forced because there were so many times towards the end where like I felt like oh my gosh I have so much to be thankful for and so much to appreciate but I hate that I have to post right now and that's so sad because we have such like it's such a blessing to be in the space that we're in

you know one time Danny got the flu for probably like the eighth time and she had to go she had to go to QBC and no this is the best story this is like this is like OG Danny Austin so wait wait this was like literally like six months ago Oh, was it? Yeah. Oh, my bad. She's reformed now. So she literally...

Wait, what was I sick with? You were sick with... I think I was... The flu. No, because I had to go to the hospital. Huh? Oh, yes. Galstones.

That's right, right. She had gallstones. Well, technically, it was Summit our baby's hair that was creating Gerd. Oh, my God. That's such a... That's like an old wife's sale. But anyway, so she was like in the ER at four in the morning. They put me on fentanyl.

Yeah. So they're like, okay, like drip her with fentanyl. And then she's like feeling good. And she's like, hey, listen, can you, can you get me out of here by 6 a.m? I got to catch a flight. No, I had, I wanted to. I told me we're going to get me a private plane. I said, get me a plane.

We're going to QVC. I feel like I remember seeing this on stories. Yeah, I remember this. Right before I had my two months break. Breakdown. And so, but it's so funny because that story is like so indicative of how both of you were during that grind season. Like,

get me the morphine and get me to give me the scene. Yeah. It's like, it was like, give me a shot. I'll do another outfit pick. Like, Marky. It's so true. But you guys, like, I watch y'all's content and it makes me so happy these days. You guys have a farm.

I'm still trying to get Danny there. We're going to Nashville. We're going to check some stuff out. But it just feels like your life is decompressed and deconstructed in a way that like God has almost like rebuilt it into something. something like better and more beautiful. And maybe I'm just romanticizing because like I know you guys and I know what we've gone through, but it feels like that at least from watching. Yeah, definitely. It feels like where we're meant to be in the life we're meant to live. Like everything about

the shift that led us to our property and everything about it, even though it's been a little crazy and a long journey. A long journey. It really does feel like what's meant for us. And I feel like that's where I've had to find that piece with that work-life balance to fully enjoy what God has given us and what he's provided for us. So I do want to talk more about the farm. The zoo. The zoo. Our petting zoo.

Will you tell them my idea for you guys? Jordan wanted it to be a zoo. It was the Beaverland Zoo. I mean, we were looking at giraffes. We were looking at. Have you guys ever seen the movie we bought a zoo? Yeah. I was like, guys, there is a huge opportunity on the internet for the,

beverlands to open up a zoo to allow their followers to come. Why did you guys not do it? Liability. That's a huge liability. Also having people like at your house. Yeah. We need that piece.

We need that separation. I know. Our fences aren't tall enough for giraffes either. Yeah. Also, the animal activists would have been all over you guys. Oh yeah. That would be tough. Yeah.

But maybe you rescue the animals. Yeah, rescue a zebra. rescue a pet giraffe. They're not villains. They're heroes. Yeah, so tell me about living on a farm. What's that like? It's a lot of fun.

It's honestly a dream. It's so peaceful. I feel like people want me to share so much of the farm and they want to see more of it. But that's when I'm more at peace is when I'm out with the animals and stuff. So I'm not on my phone. I'm not filming every second of it. And we do, Marky and I are the ones to go out there and feed the animals every day. It really is just part of like our daily routine.

something we fully enjoy. Like, there are pets, there are babies. And it really is like a petting zoo walking out there. They love affection. They want you to like hug them and brush them and hang out with them. So it's been a lot of fun. And everyone thinks it's so much work and so hard having. I mean, our property in general, we live on 60 acres.

So we, it's a lot to maintain in that sense. But the animals themselves are so easy. They eat grass and they drink water. So it's like, that's. You can't leave them, right? Like, when you travel, you have to have somebody come in. We do have, we have friends that stay in our house because we have the dogs in the house and everything also. And they, we have like a list of people that want to come and take care of the animals and hang out on the farm.

So it's really cool. But it really is. It's just like our daily routine to go out there and like hang out the animals. I just sit in the field and brush them. And it's like how I decompress out there. Wait, can I ask like, what does it like to take care of 60 acres? Like, do you just have 60 acres and then you just like don't go out? out to the 60 acres or do you have to drive around and like check on your 60 acres?

Guys, be chill about it. No, I mean, don't scare her away. We're so close to moving on to a farm. It's so easy to maintain. There's literally nothing to do.

There's nothing to think about. Nothing to worry about. We don't have to mow like eight hours a day. I, I genuinely, please tell me because first of all, we'll never buy 60 acres. That's too, like maybe two.

We're looking at them next week. Maybe 40. Maybe 40. No, I want an acre is too much for me. I live on 0.25 right now. I can't take care of my bedroom. It was a mess. So, I mean, really, I want to know, like, that's a lot of work, right? Like, what kind of things do you do? Do you ever have hogs?

We do not have hogs currently. The property used to have hogs way before back in the day. Do you go out and get rid of them? And I would probably try to keep them as pets. I would just gather up all the babies. Oh, they're so nasty though. No, I mean, the babies are cute. Yeah, no, we don't have any hogs. So 60 acres, it depends on, you know, if it's all wooded, It's really easy to maintain. You don't have to do much. But we have a lot of pasture. So we have, you know, horse pasture, which is like 10 acres.

And then we have a smaller pasture for the smaller animals. But it thinks like about three or four acres. So those kind of self-maintain, they eat the grass and everything. We have mowed every couple weeks just because it grows in the summer faster than they can eat. And then we do have a lot of common grounds that just has to be mowed in general. So there's like there's quite a bit of mowing that has to be done. You mow at all? Actually, my dad mows it.

I was going to say, that's why you're so tan. He's so tan he's out there probably mowing with his shirt off. Yeah, Marky goes outside and gets the best tan ever out there. No, it's been pretty cool. But just a little aside, we hired my dad after my mom passed back in 2019. Obviously, you never know how long you're going to have with any of your parents. And that was a real, I mean, we spent a lot of time with my family. But it was a real awakening to realize how, you know, early you can lose somebody.

So we hired my dad. It's really cool. He's there. He helps maintain the property. He runs the mower, blows the driveway off. We go to lunch with him every day. Yeah, for lunch. Oh my gosh.

Does he live nearby? He does now, actually. He lived about 45 minutes away, and he was driving every day to our house. But yeah, he moved. He moved close by. That's amazing. He's 10 minutes from us now. Yeah.

Do you have horses? We do. Yeah. Do you write them? Okay, so funny story, when we bought our house, it came with horses. So our farm was originally an Arabian horse farm. They would like breed and show Arabian horses. When we bought it, they're like, hey, guys, like, there's two horses that come with the house.

if you want them. If you don't, we can try to rehome them, but they've always lived on this property. And we are the fourth owners of the house, and anybody that's bought it keeps the horses. We're like, of course we're going to keep them. We have Gloria and Khabi. They're the two original ones.

And Gloria is like 30. She's a national champion mayor, Arabian mayor. Wow. Yeah. I don't know what that means. How long do they live? Horses. They can live a long time.

I mean, 30's pretty old for a horse. But if they're well taken care of, they can live really long lives. But she's the old lady. So they're just law and, They just eat the grass and live their happy little lives out there. But we inherited horses. And then we did buy two younger horses, Earl, Gray, and Chai.

And they were riding horses for us. So you ride them? Yes. We were taking riding lessons at our house and learning how to ride. Yeah. So like you can like ride a, like you have a horse. We can just go out. We have saddles on our porch on the side of our porch.

Do you? You can bear back. I mean, our friend did. He just like went out and hop on. I've never ridden. back before. I actually know I have. I actually rode in a parade when I was a kid, but. It's nice to have the more controls though. Yeah, I like a saddle. Is it a lot of work to like saddle them up and take them for a ride? You would be surprised at how heavy. So we have Western

saddles and they, I think we weighed them. They're 42 pounds. They're also pretty nice decorative ones too. Yeah, we have really, they're like, those are Christmas present to each other. We got saddles. But for me to lift a saddle onto a horse, like my horse is back as like as tall as my head. So for me to throw 42 pounds up over, I did get a little stepping block so I could do that and step up onto it to jump onto my horse. So like how often, since it's a lot of, I'm just honestly trying to picture it if I ever had horses. You know, how often would I actually ride these horses? Because if it's a lot of work to saddle them up, get it all ready, it's like, it's like a whole gig. Yeah.

It is a process. And it's not something, we want to do it more than we do. It's something that I don't think we realize the amount of time it would take. to do all of that. I want to make it an every Sunday thing where I would just go right once a week, go out and ride just because it does take a lot of time and we're pretty busy right now.

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we had meetings. It's like our Friday morning. We had 9 a.m. meeting, 10 a.m. meeting. So it's, you just like hit the ground running from there. But slow mornings are like necessary for me to be able to like function throughout the day. So you guys recently launched, um, Beverly and coffee. Yes, it's been almost a year. I know this is, I'm not drinking it right now.

I'm drinking this trash. What a, what it's been. Yeah. Can you tell us more about that? Yeah. So Beverly Hills is our coffee company. And it's been a lot of fun. this was kind of a dream project.

We always thought we would start a coffee shop. It was kind of just like a dream thing, almost like a retirement kind of plan. Just like later on in life, we just love the idea of having a coffee shop and that just being like a little business that we started. And we kind of just were like, what are we waiting for? Like why not do this now? And backstory, Markey was never a coffee drinker. I feel like growing up, in my parents, too, you drank like folders and stuff.

and it always just kind of tasted like burnt, bitter coffee. We literally just stopped drinking the folder. Oh, I'm sorry. We were like, no, but we were like, and then we tried a better coffee. I'm like, why are we drinking this crap? Oh my gosh. I'm like, look at the size of this container it comes in. Yeah.

There is a big difference between the quality of coffee and stuff. And when you don't know, when you just think coffee tastes like burnt and bitter, like you think that's what all coffee tastes like. It's so bitter. It can be so bad. So that was Markey's experience with coffee. And he's like, I don't like coffee. And I'm like, you can't say you don't like coffee because it's not.

not all the same. So I kind of made it my mission because I love coffee. Ever since I was like a kid, I drank coffee like after church. They'd do like coffee and donuts. So I drank it since like second grade. Just probably, I don't know if coffee can stunt your growth. I don't know if that's like just like a myth. But if it could, that's what happened to. What's my excuse then? I know. We were all to eat Coca-Cola. Because I didn't like coffee. What's my excuse? That's my excuse. That's my excuse. Yeah. So that's funny. Yeah, so I've just always loved coffee. I kind of made it my personal mission to make Markey like coffee. So anytime we went somewhere, we'd like order lattes and it was like a challenge. We're like, okay, well, we thought about

starting a coffee shop. Like, why don't we just like make our own coffee? So we started doing research and figuring it out and started doing coffee tastings and really learning what we liked in the coffee world did find coffee that Markey approved of and that he liked. We work with a local roaster. So this isn't like a white label thing where our name is just slapped on this. We are a part of the entire process, like picking out the beans, putting together the blends, the roasting process, all of that we have our hands in. And we're really proud of what we've created because it truly is delicious coffee, especially our decaf.

I am a big decaf drinker. And actually, fun fact, I start my day. My first cup of coffee is decaf. Really? Yes. It still has a little bit of caffeine. There's a little bit of caffeine. But for me, it's like that slow morning.

I don't want like a jolt of caffeine. I like to have. You get like jittery and anxious if you have caffeine too early sometimes. Yeah. For me, it's coffee is also the experience. I should try that. Try our decaf. The me.

It's so good. But for me it's like coffee isn't just about like a caffeine boost. It's like a morning ritual type of thing where it's like that cozy cup. It's like happiness. It's like warm fuzzy feeling. So I drink decaf first to start my day. And a lot of people don't know this, but the decaffeination process is a chemical process to,

remove the caffeine from the beans. And so a lot of them are bad. And if you research it, it's kind of crazy. And I think that also affects the flavor and the bitterness and everything you taste in coffee. So people are like, decaf tastes like dirt. Yeah. But it doesn't have to. So we use a mountain water process in ours, which is a 100% chemical free process. It just uses water to wash the beans and remove the caffeine from it. So you still get the flavor and like the taste of a real cup of coffee without the caffeine. That's so interesting. I had no idea. Yeah, a lot of people don't know that, but it truly makes it the most delicious cup of coffee. Yeah, we have a lot of people say that they like our cath our decaf the best. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Which is surprising because

that's nice because then you can have multiple cuts. Yeah. And having it at night when you just want like that like yummy flavor and like experience without the caffeine. Because there are so many times I'm like I want a cup of coffee but I don't want to be up all night or I don't want to like have the jitters. Okay, I'm going to try that. Did you send us some of the decaf? Yeah, we have it all. I think so. Yeah. Yeah, we have it all. It's all at the lake. Let me know what you think. Yeah, I'm going to try it.

To your folders. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I was like, oh. I mean, it was cheap, but like, wow. It takes so different. What is funny because it's like, we'll be traveling and she's like, all right,

let's go get a latte somewhere and like, I'll order a latte and it's like a hundred percent certainty. I'm going to throw it. He takes one step and he's like, this is terrible and chucks it. No flavor. I'm such a snob now. I don't know. It's, yeah, it's always bitter. It's always like, just not that good.

It's not the same. He's like, nothing compares to our coffee. We make him right in the office and I'm just like, we have an espresso maker there and they're just so good. And so I just won't subject myself to anything else. Where can people get it on your website? Yeah, we just sell it on beverlynhills.com. And then we do have our little coffee trucks. We do local pop-ups and stuff and sell it in person, which is a lot of fun.

That is so cool. You're kind of like hipster now. I know. Because like, I don't know. I mean, if you all followed Laura for a while, like her brand was not hipster. Let me just say it was Gucci belts, sparkles, long, long, designer designer but we all were you know and so now it is kind of fun to just like grow into ourselves you know and not feel like the pressure to be something else yeah I feel like I'm kind of back to my roots

like literally color wise everything and just kind of as how I grew up and everything it's like you almost want the opposite of what you have so growing up I did grow up on a farm my parents like grew all of our vegetables and all of that type of stuff and I hated it as a kid because it was like a work it was work and chores and if you got if i got in trouble i had to go like scoop cow poop and like help my dad like put the manure in the stuff and it's like i wanted the opposite life of that i told my parents i wanted to move to new york city and like that was a life i wanted for myself but i always loved fashion and all of that so i think i just went so hard like the opposite direction when i could that now i'm like that's actually not me or like not what i want for my life so that's what

our 30s are for it's like finding yourself discovering ourselves and not being like in our 20s trying to be something that we're not. Oh, I love it. I think it's beautiful. Okay, so you have really had, it is. No, I agree. I agree. I agree.

It was just funny the way you said it. You were like, I love it. It's so beautiful. It's not beautiful. It is. So you've had, can you talk more about your health journey? Yes. Because that's been a whole shift in you.

I mean, you got rid of the boobies. You're doing a lot of things. Yeah. There has been a huge shift. We're holding on to those. I know. We're trying. I saw you got it.

For us, they were newer to the family. Yeah. Yeah. So there has been a huge shift. And this all stemmed from our infertility journey. So we have been trying to start our family for years and years now. So we have done, I think it started back in 2019 is when we actually went to our first IVF doctor and started pursuing that, which was also during COVID, which was very,

very difficult to get appointments and to do all of that. But we, we both come from huge families. Like, I'm one of six, Markey's one of five. We have 23 nieces and nephews. When everyone around you is having a baby, you just think it's going to happen one day. And that was just kind of like our thought process. We just thought like we would just get pregnant one day. And then it wasn't happening. And then we're like, well, okay, let's actually start like timing things and paying attention to it and actively trying. Still wasn't happening. And then I went to my OB And I was like, hey, we're trying to get pregnant. Like, I don't know what's going on.

We're kind of tracking things and trying to figure stuff out. So we did blood worked, lots of testing. And she said that I needed to go right to a IVF clinic. And she thought that IVF would be the best way for us to get pregnant. So at that time, we knew nothing about IVF or infertility. We were completely clueless. We only knew what that doctor had told us at that point. So we're like, okay, cool.

Like, we'll do this and we'll get pregnant. We have now been to five different doctors. It's been five years. We've done everything that. everyone has told us. I have really advocated for myself with a lot of this because there's so much that doctors don't tell you. It's kind of just like, oh, you're only 36. Like, you know, we're going to do this protocol and this is going to work for you. And then it doesn't. And they're like, okay, we're going to up your medications. I was just pumped full of hormones and doing just tons of

shots like multiple times a day. It was a really hard process for us. And then to go through multiple egg retrievals and transfers and truly and we truly believed it was going to work every single time and when you hold on to hope like so hard and I was also sharing all of this like we share our lives this is a part of our life so we were sharing everything as it was happening and then when it doesn't work like time and time and time again we're like okay like what is this going to look like so I really just started researching stuff myself and just finding out like how many things can affect our fertility um so it just created this whole lifestyle change because of this. I'm like trying to figure out like,

okay, what's wrong with my body? How can I fix it? And just really started making all of these little changes over time and just questioning like, okay, if this could be affecting my fertility, like my implants, I got implants like, I think it was like 2016. So they weren't very old. I didn't have them for very long. And I was like in the back of my mind, I'm like, if this could be a factor, like, do I want this in my body? Like am I going to regret? but not trying or not like, you know, seeing if that is an option. So I had them taken out and I don't regret that decision at all. Honestly, I'm like, why did I even get these?

I don't miss them. And people didn't even know I had implants until I would. It looked really good. Thank you. You look so cute now. They did. They did. They looked real good.

They still do. Yeah, no, they look. They're like, it's so cute. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I don't miss them. And honestly, there's so much. much behind the implants and like get them taken out, not get them taken out. And I did share the entire process. And I know so many people question like, is it breast implant illness? And I don't

think I had that. I wouldn't ever say like, oh, Danny, get your implants taken out. I think it's such a personal decision for me. It was like based on our fertility journey. But I don't regret the decision. I don't miss them at all. But that was kind of like the first big step I took towards this health journey. And then it was just the realization of what I was putting on my body, what I was eating. So I made a lot of like dietary shifts. I am gluten free, mostly dairy free now just because like the inflammation it caused in my body and the way I feel. So I've just made all these little changes. And I feel like if you look at, I actually just posted a little like my skin journey. And you can see the what my skin looks like, the inflammation in my face and in my body, the change that has happened over the last

three years. And I won't say it's like one little thing, like one change. No for sure. Like made that difference. But all of those little things added up. But it's kind of, I don't want to ever scare people into like what products and stuff can do to you. But I think understanding and educating yourself on like what you are putting on your body. So I stopped using a lot of products. And that kind of stemmed back from like the beginning of our infertility journey of like they say treat your body like you're pregnant when you're going through IVF. So that meant eliminating a lot of products like skincare products and stuff, like tanning products that weren't safe, pregnancy safe.

And then we kind of dove into ingredients and I'm like, okay, well, if this isn't a pregnancy safe, like, is it actually safe for me? Like, do I need to stop using these altogether? So it's just kind of like a huge lifestyle change and just like simplified everything. But all of those little changes I feel like have added. up and made such a difference in how I feel, how I look, just like the health of my skin, my hair, just my quality of life. And while it all started from like our infatility journey, I feel like it's just improved my quality of life. So I'm kind of grateful for everything that we've learned along the way and like what led me here. And I don't know if it'll ever make a difference in like

if we will get pregnant naturally or if any of these little things like are going to affect that. but I'm just grateful that I discovered it because I feel so good right now. Yeah, I was going to say you walked in and like you were, you're not the same Laura that I knew. And you've always been so beautiful, but like you're like so glowy, radiant, healthy. Even your hair, everything. Like you can just tell like in the best in the best way. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's just be honest about that. Oh my gosh. Stop it. Stop it. 100%. Nothing else she did made any difference.

Oh my God. No. I actually really did start. I really did start using Divi. Like when I was going through all of my fertility treatments, that's when I was like, my hair needed help. I was like losing my hair from all of the hormones and all of the treatments,

which is a big thing. Like postpartum, all of that, your hormone and hair health are so connected. So I was using Divi religiously while going through all of that. You have no extensions in now. Yeah, this is all like natural hair.

You've worked sent in the last like what, five years? Yeah. I mean, we all did. 10 years. We all did. A very long time. Marky and I just, we love our new wives. Oh my gosh.

We're just so real. Y'all. I still don't know. I just not real. Okay. So when it came to, because I remember, I mean, you've been sharing that whole journey. And it's, it's, you have so many people that are cheering for you guys. They just love you guys so much.

Are you going to change what you share moving forward? I think people will respect no matter what you decide. Yeah. I've really gone back and forth on that. And that's a question I get in my. DMs every single day is like why am I not sharing more about our fertility journey and what we're doing we aren't actively doing a fertility treatment or anything so the last year I just I realized that I had endometriosis I kind of self-diagnosed myself we had had an ectopic pregnancy earlier in the year

and that was our first like real pregnancy we had told our family we had told our friends I think I was like right at like seven weeks, yeah, like seven weeks when we realized it was an apotopic pregnancy. So after that I was like, why did this happen? Like what could have caused this? I was really just kind of digging deeper. I'm like, is this going to happen again? Just deep diving into this.

And so many things kept pointing to endometriosis. And I mean, mind you, I had seen five IVF doctors. We had done multiple treatments. And I kind of kept questioning. I'm like, are you sure there's not something else wrong? because they told me, like, my AMH was low, which meant, like, I was technically low ovarian reserve, but there was no root cause. There was no reason for it.

And then one of the doctors- Low ovarian reserve means, like, low amount of eggs? Yes. Okay, okay. And the last doctor that I'd seen in New York was, like, this isn't true. Like, you can take supplements, and he was able to get my numbers higher to increase all of my levels, which technically put me out of that category of, like, diminished ovarian reserve. I was like, okay, well, that's super interesting. If it was just like supplements and stuff that my body was lacking that could increase

those numbers and those chances. But still, we did treatments through them and it didn't work. But a lot of things kept telling me that there was like a root cause, that there was something else that could have been there. So I went to a doctor and I was like, I want to get checked for endometriosis, which is a laparoscopy surgery. So they go into your stomach, like robotically to check. for it. And I did have endometriosis after all of those treatments and everything I'd been through.

The doctor came out and said that what he found could have been preventing our transfers from sticking. Could have been causing our low egg count and all of that. So it was like years worth of stuff where he was like all of that. Had that. Yeah. It could have been preventing all of that from working. So it almost felt like five years of IVF treatments. I'm going to say we're over. waste, but there was a root cause and something that could have been preventing all of it the entire time. Why did none of the other doctors, because I'm sure you guys went to great doctors. Yeah, some of the best doctors. Why did they not try and get to the root? That's something I still don't understand because some doctors, and when I shared that with Instagram, like, people were

outraged for us. And like, it took me a long time to process that. I was so, I was like, we just wasted five years of our lives pursuing something that like we could have had this surgery and like been 10 steps ahead. A lot of doctors will check for that first. I think there's maybe symptoms and stuff that could have been more prevalent in other people where they're like, oh, let's look for this. I didn't have any, but there is like silent endometriosis where you can have it and it doesn't have very obvious symptoms. They probably just thought that the percent change was so low. Like maybe that's why they just didn't. Yeah. Because there isn't an obvious thing. Yeah. You can't just be like. It's an invasive surgery.

So I think that they probably just thought the percentage change was so low that that's why they didn't want to pursue it. And that's crazy that the only reason happened is because Laura advocated for herself. Like you probably to this day wouldn't have known if you didn't. No. Well, they asked you questions like, do you have irregular periods? Do you have painful? Painful intercourse?

Which I'm like pretty healthy. Like there's nothing obviously wrong. So I guess maybe because I checked all of those boxes like everything was normal that maybe they just didn't ever think of that. But yeah, so I had that surgery. It was the last September. And since then, we're like, okay, we're like, give my body a chance to heal and just see what happens and just kind of try naturally. And then in six months, nothing had happened.

So then I was like, how can I move forward and keep pursuing, like getting pregnant, but keep it more natural without going through like another IVF treatment. So we started seeing, like, he's a little bit more of like a holistic doctor. He's not an endocrinologist, but he focuses more on like your hormone. your stress levels, your diet and how like your gut and all of that can impact your fertility and your hormone health. So that's kind of what I've been doing over like the last few months or last almost six months now. Yeah, it's been like over six months. And I've noticed a big difference in how I feel. So I definitely feel like it's like improved my quality of life just going down that road. But I mean, we're still not pregnant. So yeah. And you think that you might maybe in the future just keep

that a little more like to to yourselves with you and marque like just you know and not feeling like you have to share everything or just maybe just see what happens yeah I don't feel the pressure to share everything I think before it was like almost like an expectation to share everything as it was happening and now I definitely don't feel that pressure like I feel like I'm very like at peace with like let us we're just going to like deal with stuff in real life and then share when it feels right for us right um so I kind of see how we feel like when the when the time comes but definitely not as like in the moment, step by step, every second documented. I don't think I would do that again.

What would you say to someone that is going through? I'm sure you have a lot of women that follow you that are going through something similar. Like what has been the best encouragement for you? And like what would you tell those women maybe that are just now starting out on their journey? My gosh, it's so hard because it is such a like emotional thing to go through and so mentally draining. And then it's like a physical thing. Like you are getting your body pumped full of hormones and all of that.

Like you just feel it all over. Like I think my biggest advice is just find that sense of peace, whatever that looks like for you. And I think that's really where like my like morning routine kind of just, I was like, I need this like sense of peace and quiet time with God before I start my day. Before things get busy, I need that like little bit of peace. So I think that would be like my biggest advice is just like find quiet time, spend time with God, like spend time with yourself before like before the day, before your, before you're, you know, the stress kicks in and before you're doing your IVF shots or whatever

that looks like. I think just like prioritizing that for yourself is like the biggest thing. And I think I wish I would have done that and I wish I would have had that in the beginning. Um, because you do, you wake up and you're doing shots and I feel like that just kind of like sets your day. And it can be like just heavy and hard and stressful. So I think just having that little bit of like a reset can just like give you so much peace and more hope going forward. What advice would you give husbands that are supporting their wives in this? Because I'm sure like that's a whole other part. Maybe Marky can speak to this too.

Like because there has to be a whole other, you know, part of your relationship that you're exploring that you didn't, you probably don't. There's not like a book of like, that's how you handle it. And I'm sure sometimes it can be challenging on relationships. Yeah, Markey has been the most supportive. In the beginning, I couldn't do the shot. myself, it just all kind of freaked me out and was just like another layer of stress. So he was doing the shots for me and just really involved in the process. And he went to every appointment and

really was understanding what we're doing and learning about it so that he could be the most supportive. Yeah, I think it's, I think it's just understanding like that you, that I need to be emotionally supportive for her. And one of the things that I, you know, that I've told her throughout this process, I told her many times, you know, I said, you know, I married you because of who you are, because I love you. Like, I didn't marry you for your ability to make children. Like, it never was a thought in my mind. I was like, so, you know, ultimately, like, if we never have kids, like, I'm content

with that. Like, obviously, I want to have a child. Like, I want to have a baby. But, like, I would never, ever hold that against her. And I know it's probably hard for some husbands because maybe that's a huge primal urge. And men, a lot of times is to have a family. And, like, look, I'd love to. But, like, it would never be, like, at the expense of my wife.

Like it's nothing, there's nothing in between us about that. It's just, you know, I'm 100% supportive and, and I love where we are. Gosh, dang it, Marky. I'm a crowd in my own podcast. No, it really is, like, amazing. And y'all have always been, like, such a strong power couple. You guys have always just, like, loved each other so much. Like, I remember going on trips with Laura, and she would just go on and on and on about Marky.

Like, on and on. I'm like, who is this guy? And like, no offense, but like some other wives were like, oh, my God, my husband's that one. And you were just like always just, just obsessed with Marky. And I just, I am. I love that. I love that about it. We're pretty obsessed with each other.

It's, it's, it's cool. It's cool. No, it's cool. No, but you say, like, there's a lot of husbands and wives. Like, we love spending all day together. We can be here every day, all day. We work together all day. Yeah.

And it's amazing. We don't get sick of each other. Yeah. And, like, our good friends that we're hanging, are staying with here in Dallas, like, same way. They just absolutely love being with each other. and it's just so cool to see that like type of relationship because a lot of times, you know, husbands and wives are like, oh, good, go golf, like get away, like, so I can have some time to myself or I'm going to go hang out with the girls because I don't want to, you know, deal with your stuff.

I will say, though, going through all of our infertility stuff and going through IVF, as hard as it's been, it's really brought us closer together. And I'm like, I'm really grateful for that. Like, it's brought us closer together. It's brought us closer to God. And I just feel like it's, like, strengthened our relationship and brought it to a level. we didn't know that we would have these type of struggles. And this is truly the hardest thing we've ever had to deal with.

And like it really could have affected our marriage and it could have affected our relationship in a negative way. And it's just allowed us to grow so close together. So I'm grateful for like where it's brought us. And I will say one other piece of advice for husbands is if your wife is going through infertility treatments, it's just a lot of hormones going through her body. Yeah. So it's not her fault. No, it's similar to pregnancy.

It's like there's going to be emotional roller coasters. And it's even maybe more amplified because of, you know, in our case, in many cases, the lack of success. Like, you know, you're so invested in this. Your wife is, you know, crying. She's happy. She's sad. She's happy. She's, you know, all this stuff's going on.

And then you get to, you know, you go through the whole process, do the implantation. And then, you know, you're not pregnant. And so it's like very, very heavy. It's very sad time. And you've got to be there for her. obviously you're sad, but you want to be supportive of her because like she's physically going through this and feeling all these emotions, feeling like she's letting herself down, feeling like she's letting me down. So like you've got to really be supportive of your spouse because there's a lot of stuff that they're going through that you're just not going to be able to feel the same way about, but you have to be understanding of what they're doing. How did you keep your cup filled during that time?

That's a good question. Because you had to be strong for her. Did you have good community around you? I don't think you golf. He's like, I talk to the horses. I don't know. He's like gray. I'm a unique character, I will say.

Markey is always happy. He wakes up happy. He is the most level. Or he's a powder keg. Just waiting to explode. Just bottoming it all up. It's odd. I don't understand it myself.

Like, you know, Laura doesn't understand either. Because like I said, I wake up. I'm like singing in the morning and I'm like happy. It's like that all the time. All day, every day. Just happiest, like, most level. person ever. Like, no matter what's going on. I'm like, what do you do? I'm never angry. Like, meditate, you pray, you

like journal? No, no. I mean, I do, I do pray, but like I don't, it's not like. A ritual. Yeah, it's not like I pray to, because I'm, I'm getting upset about something. So I use it to, like, you know, diffuse myself. I just, for some reason, I used to have a bad temper when I was a kid and it like went away when I was probably like in my late teens. Like, I mean, like, kick stuff, punch the door, like, throw. stuff through a window. I could just not picture that marquee. No, it's like that volatile stuff.

And just one day, like, I don't know, just disappeared and never came back. Yeah, I don't know. I would imagine part of your secret, and you can confirm this, Laura, is that you just think about yourself less. Like, so I think a lot of the times when we get angry or frustrated, we're saying to ourselves like, oh, this is affecting me or, oh, I deserve this. And I think that you seem like such a selfless person, that that allows for you to stay steady state.

Yeah, I think that's actually like the perfect definition of Markey. He cares more about everyone else than himself. He was more worried about Champaign-Chernell's shoes. He was not a club than she was. Yeah, he would do anything for anyone. He would drop his entire day just to go help someone and that's Marky.

Yeah, you just don't think about yourself. And that probably makes people, like that makes people happy over time is to make other people happy because like when you're just trying to fulfill yourself, it gets old. Yeah, because when we're unhappy, all we're doing is ruminating on what we deserve or what we want or whatever. That's very interesting. Yeah, because she's always asking me, she's like, you know, what's your goals? Like, what makes you, like, what do you want to do?

What's your, and I'm like, honestly, like, making you happy, like, helping other people is like, literally, it's what fulfills me is when other people are happy because it makes me feel. Good. It gives me worth. Yeah. Self worth. Yeah. Yeah, because it's like, I don't get self-worth from doing things. I mean, like, I love, you know, playing sports and having fun and being good at things.

Yeah. That gives me, you know, enjoyment. but like true fulfillment comes from helping other people. God, I wish we could have all figured that out sooner. Like, you know? How old are you,

Marky? 39. Oh, that's not fair. He's got wisdom. No, but it sounds like he's always been like that. Oh my gosh.

Well, thank you guys for sharing. I know that's a heavier topic, but I know our audience will really appreciate it. And you guys are such a, one question, and then we get into rapid fire. Where do you guys see your,

ourselves in like 10 years individually, professionally, personally, as a couple. Oh my gosh. It's such a loaded question. I know you guys talk about it. We have talked about it, but we actually don't have, I feel like we don't have a definitive plan. I feel like I've asked him. I'm like, what do we want in five years? I mean, obviously we want a family. I think that's a big thing. I think taking kind of a step back from social media was like one of my goals for myself, but I've kind of already done that. I feel like I'm in a really good place with that, just that work life balance. I think just enjoying our farm, I want to have a really big garden.

I think we all, we all beat the more monster because we all like that was the grind. The grind was more, more, more, more. The fact that you're like, I just want a garden. And like, what do you want on the next? I'm like, I just want to play tennis. That's really it. Like, I really don't really want anything else because anything else just sounds like more responsibility.

More work. I just want simplicity. Just like peace simplicity. Just like just to enjoy life. Just enjoy life. Do you guys think that that's a product of us moving into our 30s? Or is that a product of, we survived the grind? I think we were all extremely unhealthy for like five, 10 years.

Yeah. I think we grinded like in an unhealthy way where, yes, there's a lot of jobs where I think that you grind like with your time. But I feel like we like lost ourselves. Yeah. Oh, for sure. I definitely feel like that. Yeah.

Like now it's like I've finally like come back to myself. But it's taken years. And there was no self-awareness. that I was getting lost or that I was doing too much in the moment. It was just like you were doing what was there and what was necessary and what it took to keep up with social media and all of it. And I really do feel like I lost myself along the way in all of that. Well, the reality of the situation, just outside perspective, but sort of inside,

is that if you looked at the daily grind, it was create content, have thousands of people comment in DMs about what you're creating. But create a perfect life that actually isn't the way that it seems. But even the side of it that was relatable because relatability became a strategy too, right? So like it's that feedback loop of like, here's who we want you to be that I think it's so easy to understand how you all lost yourselves in other people's opinions of who you should be. Yeah, you kind of become like a chameleon. And I feel like threes are so bad about that. It's like, tell me what you want me to be.

tell me what you want and I can do it. You want me to move out to the farm and I'll be like, I'm a horse girl. I'll do it. I'll do it. Yeah. And it's like you can just like, you just like keep like shape shifting into what the world wants and what like the expectations are. And I feel like it was just like these blinders on for so long and just feeling so like you're just

so sucked into it that like I feel like it just kind of takes like a big like a big shake moment where you're like we need a big explosion. Yeah. Oh. So here's my last. question for both of you guys. So I like to study this like new class of creators, the TikTokers, because I see them really in the same era that you guys were in in like 2018. Like they're getting, they're traveling all the time. Do you see that? I'm not the biggest TikTok. That's

okay. It's okay. But you can you can imagine what I'm saying like they're just like the newer up and coming gen of like influencers. Do you ever watch them? Not really. I'm I don't consume as much content like nearly as much content as I used to. Yeah, and that's good. So, so there's a new class coming. And what's happening is they are in vogue, right? And so all the brands are shipping them to all these travel trips. They're on all the influencer trips. They're, you know, they're traveling. I can see the wrestle of like them being like, oh, like I have to go travel for work, but I don't want to leave my kids. So all the things that y'all went through. So what would be your biggest piece of advice, both of you, to these new TikTokers based on being there done it before.

I don't know. I feel like for me, the biggest thing was just like have a whole life offline that nobody knows about. And whatever that means for you, whether it's like your hobby or your relationship or your kids that you don't share, whatever, some people, it could be different for anyone and everyone. But like I felt like I didn't have a life outside of Instagram. Like everything, every relationship, every friendship, everything I ever accomplished, anything I ever made. It was all had to be there. And now I have this whole other life that I don't feel like people know as much. And it's like it's mine and it's special to me. And it makes me feel good because like it's not something that I feel like I have to show the world. Like I'm doing things

for just for me. And we're doing things for us, just for us too. You know, it's like it's, I think it's improved everything across the board. What's your advice? Gosh, that's so hard. I think my biggest piece of advice, which is to be happy with what you're doing. Like if you actually truly enjoy it and can find that balance, which again, I think is having that balance of being able to shut it off and not feeling like you have to document every single moment of your life. I guess it would just be finding balance. Like make time to put your phone down and live in reality because TikTok isn't real life.

So as much as you want to be. It's not. It's not. is not, and it's not everything. It feels, all of it feels like it's everything and that's like what the entire world revolves around, but it's not. It's like you just have to find that like real life, work, life balance. And for me, it's like, I put my phone down. I'm not consuming other people's content because I think that's another thing where you see what everyone else is doing. Like, oh, she's posting three times a day. I need to post three times a day. So you feel like you have to keep up with

everything. Because Laura and I, we were very similar in the way we consumed content. We weren't consuming content like comparing our lifestyles. to other people. We were consuming content with the lens of saying she posted four times today. I need to post four times today. Like not not worried about the lifestyle. It was the cadence of the post or how much they were posted. You know, it was very like like a strategic. Yeah, very analytical. Yeah. Yes. That's good. That's really good. Well, um, okay, I want to switch to, um, a quick segment

that we do called things that make you go, hmm. And then we'll go into rapid fire question. No, no, just go into rapid fire and let's ask them the question as part of the rapid fire. But save it for me. Okay, we will go just straight into rapid fire questions. I haven't read these because our producer wrote them. So sorry, I don't know. What is one habit that you have? Okay, y'all are both going to answer and you have to go really fast.

Okay. Ready? What is one habit that you have a hard time breaking? Laura. Oh, gosh. I've like really like honed in on my like bad habits. I don't have. Marky, go.

She's perfect. She's perfect. A bad habit. Oh my God. You don't have any bad habits. I'm like trying to think of something. I've really worked on myself. I mean, just leading my stuff everywhere.

Yeah. Okay. He's messy. You're messy. Yeah. Oh my gosh. A bad habit. I just set stuff down anywhere.

What's my bad habit? Yeah, maybe you should share each other. I know. I'm like, okay, Markey's is definitely a mess. I'm like constantly picking up after him. Okay. What's hers? Throw over the bus.

Gosh, she's too good. He's too nice. She does nothing wrong. Oh. No. No. Man, No.

Does she ever get angry at you? Candy. I do find, um, chewing gum, chewing, chewing loud. Um,

Marky has a loud chew or two. Do you ever fall asleep with your mascara on? Oh, she's got all kinds of that happens. I've got. Pull up Reddit. I'm sure they've got, I forget to floss her tea some night.

Oh, I forget to flush the toilet. Oh, that's why we're getting, oh, Marky's putting the automatic flusher toilet in our house. He doesn't complain, he just fixes it.

Yeah. Yeah, he just does it. It's just automatic. I, I've been doing that too lately. It's because I have to pee so much. I'm like, I'm going to have to flush it in like 20 minutes.

I might as well just leave this one here. Okay, next one. Oh, this is interesting. What is one wellness trend you think is completely bogus? A wellness trend. Like, is there something that you've tried that you're like, okay, that was just kind of that silly? I don't know.

I'm not like the biggest fan of juicing. Like for no reason. I don't know why. It hurts my tummy. I don't know. Like the whole like celery juicer thing, I really felt like I needed to do that. And I'm like, I don't want to do. I'm not going to do that.

Okay. That's a lot of work. Yeah. I don't know if this is actually worth it. Like can't I just like eat the celery? Yeah. With peanut butter. Why don't have to juice it?

Yeah. Okay. We got raw milk. Oh, okay. We went on a raw milk. Yeah. Our team is very into raw milk. We have a local place that we get it from.

I tried it for a while and then I realized it was like just causing a lot of inflammation in my body. It tastes delicious. It tastes better than regular milk. I've heard. Yeah, our team is very into it. We have a lot of, like, a lot of, like, health girlies. I'm not, yeah, I'm not anti- Raw Milk and I'm not, like,

I never, like, dug into the science. He was weirded out by it. I'm just a little weirded out by it because, like, when you get raw milk, like, a lot of times come from, like, local farms and stuff. And I'm, I'm kind of, like, a weird person about, like, you know, germs and, like, you know, germs and stuff like that. So I'm, like, did they wash their hands while they're, like, milking this cow into a bucket and now I'm, like, drinking the milk.

But his sister does it. His sister has a milk cow, and, like, they are raw milk, Which is fine. If you milk your own cows and you consume it, like I completely, you see the whole process all way through. Get your own. It's so much work. No.

Yeah. I don't have time for that. Yeah. You have to milk a cow like twice a day. I don't drink dairy. So no. Yeah. I drink like no milk.

Everyone's like, it's better for you. I'm like, but I don't even really drink that much milk. Well, like I like milk in my cereal or like in my coffee. I guess cream. Cream in your coffee. Are you like that? Non-dairy. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. What is the hardest part about living on a farm? Honestly, the smell. Yeah, who cleans out the food? The smell. No, we've actually had trouble with our chicken coop. We built our own chicken coop.

That was my birthday present last year. And while I love it, I love our chickens. I love collecting the eggs. I'm like, can you imagine your birthday gift being a chicken coop? No, chicken coop. And I got pet chickens. No, we didn't, we didn't think about that part or realize. Oh, sink.

The smell. Well, because like, the rain, like, gets in their coop. And then it's, it's like, a poopy smell. So, like, we open our, backdoor and like if it just rain, it smells like chicken poop. Yeah. It's just something you didn't really. It's a little too close.

You guys got 60 acres just smooth. I know. They should have been further away. Yeah, don't put the chickens in the backyard so they'd be safer and everything. Yeah. Yeah, we love eggs. Are your eggs like orange because they're like real eggs? Yeah, you can see.

You can see it. A little different yoke color, yeah. The difference. Wow. They taste better too. That's crazy. Okay, let's see. Wait, actually, who does clean up the poop?

both of us like so I'll go in the chicken coop and like literally be cleaning it out like that is I will get like horse poop like all the horses and cows they really don't need to clean up too much we have a we have a drag so we can drag the field so it actually like kind of just mashes the dried paddy down the smaller areas like we'll just go out and scoop poop and yeah yeah yeah the date night right just put on your muck boots to just get out there yes you can do it danny we're gonna hire your dad he's gonna move on to the property oh my he's very handy stop I would love to see it. Come on down to the farm, test it out a little bit.

See how you like it. We'll do a trial run. We'll do a weekend. Ooh, this is good one. What's a conspiracy theory you low-key believe? Are you all into conspiracy theories? I'm not very. I'm not. Marky is aware of all of them.

I don't know that he like believes conspiracy theories. My thing with conspiracy theories is like I'm really evidenced back. So like I just, and that's the hard thing about conspiracy theories is you don't find a lot of actual evidence for them. So. Do you think we landed on the moon? It's a fair question. I would say. I think you say,

you usually say no. I lean towards yes. Yeah. That's fair. I do think there's aliens though. Okay. Cool. Yeah.

I think so too. Moving on. I feel like landing on a good answer for that one. Well, no, but I feel like landing on the moon would be, not that it would be extremely hard to fake like the, the moon landing,

like video and stuff like that, but I just feel like the cover up would be really hard to fake. I think, you know, for, what is it, 50 years and now since they landed on the moon the first, time, what it's 69 or something like that? Yeah.

Yeah, I feel like it's like to have that covered up from all the NASA scientists who were I know guys. We like move into this house. They know we're here the next day. They have like our whole address. So it's like how are they going to fake that? That's true. That's true.

Okay, let's see. Do you have a dream collab? A dream collab? I remember back in the day though. So this one, I remember you would love to work with Gucci. I was such a like, I was. She was such a Gucci girl. No, I was such like, when I first was like doing the management and everything like that, I'm like emailing Gucci.

Like I'm going to try and get her some kind of like a collab or something. Like she's got like 10,000 followers and like, yeah, hey Gucci. Yeah, my wife wears your belt. Yeah, Laura was your belt every single day. We need a collab. She did wear the heck out of that. They didn't reply to that email. I don't know why.

Yeah. What did go, Gucci? They didn't get it. I love that. Okay, let's see. Piece of advice you would give your younger selves. Don't try so hard. Don't trust me right.

Be yourself. I actually have it. It says believe in yourself. Believe in yourself. When did you get that? Probably 15 years ago. Yeah, before. It was prophetic.

Yeah, be yourself, believe in yourself. This whole time is written on your foot. Yeah. It's all you need to. Just look down. Just look down. I'm too busy looking at my phone. Okay.

What about you? My idea. My biggest piece of advice would be to spend as much time as you can with your family. Family is so important. build relationship with really solid friends because you'll meet a lot of people in the world that will be kind of like friends, but you're only going to have like a solid group of like real core friends. So I'd say to make sure you culture and foster those relationships. That's good.

Okay. My last question is thoughts on the new Cracker Barrel logo. Oh, I got. We've had many conversations about this. You had to have, right? We were avid a Cracker Barrel every Sunday. Yeah, I know. That's why I'm so curious.

What was your go-to meal? Oh, I love the hash brown bowl. Oh my gosh, it's so good. Wait, did you stop brown? We haven't been in a long time. We actually haven't been. She's all healthy now. Nothing to do with that.

No, nothing to do with that. Oh, okay. No. We still like Cracker Barrow. We just don't get there as much. It's more geographical now. We like moved to an area where there's not one right nearby. We lived in an area where there was one like pretty close.

It was like a regular staple. We went there too often. Now we have to drive like 30 minutes to get to a Cracker Barrel. People were irate. Yeah. This new logo. Oh, we were following the whole thing. They reversed it.

No, I agree. It was a terrible decision. Yeah. Yeah, I vote original. The inside rebranding with like painting them stark white and like removing the antiques. Well, I think what happened is they have these like northeastern executives who have no idea like who the actual customer is like running it and then they reversed everything. Isn't it kind of the same thing that like McDonald's and Burger King? They're all just plopping their logo on a modern building.

So if they run out of business, it's either to sell the building. I've heard that theory. too. Because then nobody's going to buy like a pizza hut building that looks, it's all right. Are you setting yourself up for failure though? I think that so, so. Because then you can like, the Burger King fails because it's a franchisee comes in and just like rent like rents the building. Genuinely. So, okay, I'm going to tell the story. And I don't, this is not me speaking poorly of this person. I actually love him. But I interviewed this candidate for CEO of Divi and he lived in the Northeast. He's lived in the Northeast his whole life. And when he came down to Texas, he genuinely,

I think, thought he was stepping into like the 1800s. Like, he was like, oh my gosh, like, am I going to be safe here? You know, am I going to, are people going to hate me? Yeah. And I was like, I was like, hey, like, I'm not, it's not like I'm wearing a Trump shirt underneath my suit jacket here. And it was just so funny because he, a couple days later, he texted me and he was like, hey, like, I am so pro New Yorkers need to meet Texans and Texans need to meet New Yorkers because I think it's just such a disconnect in the cultures that I genuinely think that these Northeast... What does that have to do with Cracker Barrel?

Because I think that what was happening was I think she genuinely thought it was a good idea. And she was like, she was the CEO that was leading it. I was like, who was talking? I don't know if she's fired yet. The stock plummeted really fast. but I think she genuinely believed like, oh, making it more modern and more like, you know, a northeastern feeling was a good idea because the, the, the, her disconnect with the actual,

like, because it's a Tennessee company, right? I think so. I believe there. I think it was like in Tennessee. Like her, her ignorance on like the actual customer of Cracker Bail was so wide. Well, and I don't want to like defend her, but like, you know, play devil advocate. It was probably because of like. a slowdown in sales or a loss of market shares.

They see this indicator. They're like, okay, we've got to do something. Sure. Now, what do we do? Not what they did. They've got to figure out, you know, is it a pricing thing? Is it a food quality thing? Like, why are they losing share?

And if it's, they need to rebrand the entire restaurant to like stark white and then like, change the whole like southern branding of it. Why did you guys stop going? Because people were saying quality did go down a little bit. Quality goes down everywhere. Our local cracker burl has always been pretty solid. We have two nearby. One has like never been that great.

So we try not to go to it. But that's like an individual like location thing where it's like they don't, they don't cook the food that well. But like when you go to a good quality one and the food's always good, then. Well, listen. They're going to listen to this podcast. They're going to be calling you guys. CEO is going to call you.

She's going to need a lot of advice. Can I just say something though? Yes. Sometimes I feel like if people were really, it's really smart. They would do these things on purpose because all I want to. to do now is go to a cracker barrel. It gets everyone talking about it. And I want to buy a t-shirt with the, like, and I want to be a patriot and I want to stick

up for the old cracker barrel, you know? And I want the t-shirt and the boxers, and I want all of the merch. And I want to go and order some chicken and dumpling. So this is all part of their marketing strategy. Now that I know how boards work and like these private equity companies work, I am telling you right now, there is no way that that is what happened because they would never, in a million years take a risk this big. But it's the smartest thing probably ever.

No, for sure. For sure. Like, I want some memorability. So you're saying, buy the dip. Yeah. Yeah. Buy the dip. By the dip. Yeah.

There's no way they were strategic enough to be like, we're going to, we're going to tank the stock price 20 bucks, and then it's going to reignite our base. And then we're going to ride into the future. I think we have to put a like a hashtag or like a little thing on there. Like this is not investing advice. Yeah. We don't really mean by the dip. Disclamer at that.

This is not a financial. podcast. Don't listen anything I say. Don't do anything I say. That was fun, guys. I had a great time. Yeah, this was so good. Do you all have any like announcements you want to share with people or? We have been working on something for a while and when when can we like expect a I don't know just like I don't know. Very soon. Very soon. We'll be sharing more about that and it's giving it's giving 2025 vibes but I don't know. Yeah. It's very personal. It's very very new Laura I will say. and yeah, it's a big deal. She's like, it's a Gucci belt.

She's like, and I'm collaborating with Gucci. But it's rustic. Yeah, it's a belt buckle Gucci with a cow's head. Perfect. Oh, my gosh. I love it. Well, thank you guys so much for coming on our podcast. We finally did.

Thank you for having us. So fun. Of course. All right, bye guys. Bye. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services.

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