De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - Industry Secrets And "Manscaping"

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

De-Influencers it’s Wednesday and you know what that means… we are BACK! This week’s episode is a doozy. We share our concerns and thoughts over TikTok, and may or may not have come to terms with the fact that we just might be “old”, or so that’s what our Gen Z producer says. PLUS, we’re giving you some industry secrets and full honesty about the influencer world. Oh and we may or may not be talking about Jordan and Dani’s preference on ummm shall we call it.. body hair upkeep??? Yeah, we’ll be honest, we spiraled this episode but that makes for a great episode for you guys!  So please enjoy our spirals, laughs and fun segments. As always, checkout our socials @deinfluencedpodcast on Instagram and TikTok, maybe you share our clips and content with family or friends who may not know about us… That’d be pretty cool.  We LIVE for your witty comments and fun interactions so keep that energy coming and who knows, maybe your comment will get pinned or shared on the pod! As a special, limited-time offer for our listeners, get 15% off your purchase of a Skylight Frame when you go to SkylightFrame.com/DANI. That’s S-K-Y-L-I-G-H-T-F-R-A-M-E dot com slash DANI. Mother’s Day is coming right up, so order today to get 15% off your purchase at SkylightFrame.com/DANI. I got a code for y’all - 15% off your first order using code DANI. Go to tryarmra.com/DANI to activate the 15% off. We hope you enjoyed this week’s episode!  WE LOVE YOU!!

Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. D-influence. I have really good news. Your makeup. No. What? That I'll tell you about my makeup. We didn't get canceled.

Oh, no. In fact, quite the opposite. Quite the opposite. If y'all didn't listen to our last episode, I've never had so many people DM me screenshots and be like, she left no crumbs.

Yeah. I've never, nobody's ever said that I left no crumbs. But like, I feel like that's a really big compliment. I left no crumbs. What do we talk about? Oh, we talked about how social media is fake, trad wise, traditional wise.

I remember that conversation. Jordan blacks out after each episode. So he has to ask me what we talked about. Several times I have friends come up to me and say, man, just love the pod this week. And I was like, oh, really? What are we talking about? Yeah, I forget everything. That happens often because we kind of just go off the rails.

But I'm just so happy to be sitting here to live another day on deep influence. Yeah, you did good. It was definitely, I do remember you being more honest and open than you probably ever been on this pod. It felt good. It felt good. Therapeutic? Yes, some would say. Yes.

How are you feeling? I'm good. Be honest. We felt the hesitation in your voice. Oh, no, I'm good. It's funny. It's ironic because last week we talked about TikTok a lot, right? Yeah.

And now I feel like we're feeling like the pressure of TikTok. You can be honest about what happened this morning. Okay, so Danny and I got into a fight this morning. But we didn't really get in a fight. I would say we got in a misalignment because we're on the same team. We're going in the same direction. Yeah, I just, okay. Here's what happened.

Can I tell you what happened? Okay. You said it best this morning. You said we didn't change, our platform changed. So maybe unpack that a little bit. No, because here's a thing that I feel like you're still not understanding. Oh, gosh. I feel like the issue this morning has nothing to do with our jobs.

I just am not feeling heard. And I've listened to a podcast this week. This is funny that you bring up. There's this girl named Danielle Jackson. And she talks about, she's like a friendship expert. Yeah. And she talks about what makes a relationship successful is when you feel safe, seen, and supported. I feel safe.

I feel supported, but I don't feel safe. scene. And so what's happening here is you're getting caught up in the logistics. Yes. When really, I just feel like you're not hearing me. And I feel like whenever I'm trying to express like what I want to do moving forward with some of my content, you're just combative. And so it's like I feel like I'm just trying to like talk things out.

But I feel like I can't even, I'm not being heard because it's just like always combated. And then I feel like I'm having to climb Mount Everest just to get one point across. Yeah. I apologize for making you climb Mount Everest very specifically this morning. Is there a specific word or phrase that I use that makes you feel like I'm not listening? Honestly, it's just the fact that you say anything in response to what I'm talking about. Sometimes I'm just like, like you just say, okay, yeah, I see what you're saying and then move on instead of like always combating me. Yeah, you know, like arguing like what I mean.

It's so funny because a lot of my newly married friends. or our newly married friends, they ask me for advice all the time. They're like, oh, man, has this ever happened? And it's like, I feel like sometimes I'm the sensei because I'm a little bit older than our friends. And usually always I say, hey, listen, they're not looking for you to fix the problem.

They're looking to feel understood in the problem. Well, here's the thing with Jordan. Oh, sorry, did I interrupt you? Go ahead. No, it's okay. And so what's so funny about this morning's TIF is that I really genuinely went into it with the mindset of like,

I'm not here to fix this. I'm here to listen. I know, but you're still missing the mark. And that was like the most frustrating part about it. What was the mark? That I like, okay, here's another thing that is, is really complicated with Jordan. It's like, hey Jordan, I want to start making smoothies. Jordan's like, okay, well, let's sit down and build out a whole process for how we're

going to make these smoothies. Okay, so on Tuesday, we're going to go to the grocery store. And then on Wednesday, we'll sit down and we'll brainstorm all the different flavors that we can make with our smoothies. and then on Thursday, and I'm like, can we just go to store and make the dang smoothie, you know? And like, because nobody knows how to make the smoothie until we just go do it. And sometimes I just feel like talking about it and setting up all these processes and

like when I'm like, but we don't even really know, neither of us know it are doing. Let's just do it. You know, I think for me too, like, it's hard because words don't mean a lot to me and words mean everything for you. Like I'm more action oriented and you're more words like, well, I'm more like, hey, like let's, okay, you're getting. giving me a problem. I would love to help you solve the problem. Here's the plan of how we should solve the problem. Can we agree? And then let's move forward. And you're like, no, let's just like

start solving the problem now. Let's do it. The other thing is I would just question this. You're an eneagram three wing four. Yeah. Okay. So four is a individualist. Yeah. Inherently, I feel like fours feel misunderstood quite often. Every day. Okay. So do you feel like, do you feel like I may be climbing Mount Everest trying to make you feel understood when inherently your personality type the way that God made you is like constantly feeling misunderstood? But you lost me there. I mean, my brain is not big enough to compute what you're even saying. In this moment when you were feeling not heard and misunderstood, my first question is, do you feel like the less words I said probably the better? Yes. Okay.

I do too. To be honest, I felt like you were sucking the joy out of it. Like, because to me, it's like going and making strawberry smoothie should be like a fun thing. Okay, but I just want you to know. They're like, let's go make a strawberry smoothie. Let's just go to the store. Let's figure it out. It's like fun to be adventurous and not plan every single moment of the strawberry smoothie making, you know, process.

Yeah. But as soon as we start like talking so much about it and like trying to figure it out. I feel like you get overwhelmed. It's overwhelming. It's like this isn't even fun anymore. It's like this is now just a formula. Yeah. When it's like, just have fun with it.

I am also very driven by fun. And I feel like when the joy or fun is taken out of something, I don't want to do it anymore. So here's the second landmine I feel like I stepped on. So one, I said a word or too many words. I said a lot of words. I said too many words. That was unfair. My other issue is like sometimes, oh, this is what really gets me.

Okay. I think what really gets me is then you start to act like you're an expert, in strawberry making smoothies, you know, when I'm like, you've never done it either. So I'm like, and then I'm like, but you and you're like, oh, I know exactly what we need. I'm like, how would you know we've never done it? Yeah. And so then I get frustrated too because I'm like, no, you're wrong. I remember my second big point.

So here was my second big point is I think with you, and this is real, when you came into the conversation, you said, you know, it kind of sucked the fun. out of the room or out of the solution, right? But what I've learned so much in our marriage is that you really do feed off of my energy. So, and I feed off your energy. So when you came in, it's not like you were like, bit bitty booby boop. Let's make some strawberry smoothies. You were like, I've got to figure out how to make strawberry smoothies.

You were down, right? And so then I was like, oh my gosh, like she's down. Like, well, now I'm kind of down. Like, let's just talk about this. Let's figure it out. when is in reality what I should have done is been like babe like let's just go make strawberry smoothies it's not a big deal yes yes I should have countered driven person and so like words don't mean a lot to me it's like how can you my mom always said it's not what you say to someone it's how you make them feel yes and so

sometimes just the words are just like gibberish it's like when you're down it's like I need to very much like remember that I'm your counterweight like and it I said it this to you in the argument I was like, this will be as big of a deal as I make it. Not as you make it because like you're obviously upset about it. So like if I make it a big deal and I get upset about it too, then it's going to be a big deal. But if I'm just like, hey, let's move on. Let's move on. So lesson learned.

Lesson learned. I'm glad we talked it out. It's all good now. Yeah. F TikTok though. For real. I hope that sucker gets banned. I don't think it will.

You think it will? No, I can only hope and pray. Well, you know, we've been talking about our personal relationship. I listen to that podcast about friendships. And I feel like, so I started running with Ellie again, right? Yeah. It was so hard. Ellie and I used to run like two or three times a week together.

And the best part about running with Ellie was not the fact that like, you know, we were getting like more fit. It's just like having someone with you that is so interested. Like we're so similar. And having that like camaraderie weekly is so good for me because what I learned through this podcast, my thought was so interesting was like high achieving females have a hard. And I think high achieving people in general have a really hard time maintaining like the quality of their friendships. Oh, 100%. Because it's like always going to be put on the back burner. Yeah.

And what happens with a lot of friendships and I've noticed that a lot of my friendships that have gone to die is when I've also connected with other high achieving females. and we basically are like we are friends because we're both high achieving females. Therefore we're more interested in each other's work than we are like friends. And it's just because like that's, we already struggle with like, you know, achievement in general. And then I think where my friendships that have like failed have gone is like typically I can start to feel that from them. Like I feel like, oh, they're only hanging out with me because, you know, I got this brand deal or because I'm posting on social media or because they care that like this very

video popped off. And you can like feel that energy from them. And so then I start to like freak out. And I like start to build walls. Build walls. Set boundary. And so it's just kind of like, I don't know. It was like very eye opening. There was a study that was done at Harvard and they followed people for like 80 years. And they measured like basically out of everything that they received, whether it was finance, marriage, materialism, whatever it was, what actually brought them the most amount of joy and it was always not the quantity in their friendships but the quality of the relationships right and so um yeah it was just like very it was so good because it was specifically talking about people like me like i feel like ellie is so good at like it's so natural for her like

she always prioritizes time with people before she prioritizes time like even by yourself one of the best tips that they gave was look at the things that you do by yourself throughout your day because back and they did like a study in 2013 we were doing like spending like on average each week six hours a week with our friends and nowadays we're only spending two hours a week with our friends a lot of that is probably like because we're on our phones but they were like look at the things that you do by yourself whether it's like going to do groceries or going on a run or things that you just typically are alone for and start like picking one of those things and start doing it with a friend that's so hard for me I know I know for me specifically I'm like

I would kind of rather do it by myself like I went and saw Dune 2. You went by yourself. And I went by myself. And I will say Dune 2 was so magnificent and epic that like I was like, oh my gosh, I wish I had someone to talk to about this because like no one else would get it unless you were in there. You know, but yeah, I struggle with this a lot.

And I think that for me it's because I also think I'm high achieving. Would you say so? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So I think I'm a high achieving person. And so I go through really like big waves of seasons where if I'm in like an unhealthy state, I'm like all work, friendships go on the back burner, you know, and I actually think I'm in one of those right now. I need to publicly apologize to Adam, Tiffany Houghton's husband.

Why? What'd you do? Well, I need to apologize to him on this podcast because I remember, well, we called him once, remember? And you're like, and put him on the spot. He's like, yeah, Danny's a great friend. Yeah. And now I feel like it's like, so, so in that season, I really feel like I was focused. I was like, I don't want to work as much. You know, like I really want to focus on relationships. Like I want to chill. I want to be a good dad.

And so I sort of teased him with that season. And then I... Like you let him on? Yeah. Because so here's why. Because then he invited me and a bunch of us to a soccer league, an adult soccer league. You agreed. Has it started yet?

Oh yeah. There's been three games. And I haven't gone. I also said I was going to make the jerseys and I never did. Jordan, that is so not cool. I know, it's not cool. But also I asked Divi if they could help me make the jerseys. And then I just never heard from them.

And so that was a whole thing. Because we were going to have Iris, his AI company's logo and Divi's logo. You're sponsored by Iris. Yeah, so it just never happened. But so yeah, I feel bad about that. To be fair, maybe this isn't fair, the games are Thursdays at 9 p.m. Babe, you're available. I'm no, Thursdays at 9 p.m.

You're available. At night. You're watching Breaking Bad in bed last night. Oh my gosh. But why was I saying this? Oh, because I do feel like it's really hard to go in and out. For me, it's like I don't commit to friendships usually because I'm like, I don't want to let you down in the future because it's never been a steady enough state

where I'm like, I feel like I can be reliable. And so it's like before I fail you, I don't want to like give you the idea that I can be a good friend. Can I ask you something? Yeah. Where are your friendships? at with the OG Instagram husbands? Like Rick and... Yeah, like, I mean, the guys that we used to hang out with.

Um, hmm. I would... Nothing happened, nothing dramatic. I feel like we all probably... I feel like every, all the guys kind of went through the same thing. Like, I don't know if this is like a particular problem to me and friendships. Like, I think that a lot of times guys or men, you know, especially if they're married and have kids, like your kids and your wife and your business and all these other things that

you feel like you're constantly problem solving for all day, you know, those become the priorities so that when you do get a free space, like for me, I'm like, okay, I just like, I just want to be alone. Like, I just want to be by myself. And I know that Rick, Rick Newton is like that as well. Well, so it actually was like quite validating from this podcast. It said that typically we cycle through new friends every seven years. Yes. And we had been friends with those people for about seven years and I think we still are and it's nothing like there was never like a breakup or anything it's just like life's kind of like shifts and really changes every seven years so like your circle and your community change and so it it actually made a lot of sense I'm okay with that like I don't I think that

sometimes the standard or not the norm but the expectation maybe is that you have you have these friends for life and I kind of gave that up after high school like I had a really good group of friends uh through middle school high school and then we kind of stayed in touch through college but then as we got married and started having kids it just we all went in different directions but there's no hard feelings about it. She's like honestly most people that are still friends with like their friends from childhood not always but a lot of times it's really forced and it becomes very toxic because the only reason your friends is because you've been friends for a long time but you're not actually serving each other in like the stage of life that you're in so she actually was like it's actually healthier to have like newer fresher friends that are

coming in and like meeting you where you're at. Yeah. But of course, trying to maintain the old ones, but it's not like everything, you know. So what was your biggest takeaway in terms of like your friendships now? Like it sounds like this is a really impactful podcast.

I'm just a horrible friend. It's exhausting. No, I'm actually not, but just like I, I'm going to start running with Ellie again. For high age shaping people, it's really important to like try to get like things on the calendar

and like stick to them. Yeah. Because we're not like, the people that are good, like, if we have an extra hour, you're probably going to go work. You're not going to be like, who wants to go play pickleball? But if it's like, you know, Tuesdays, we play pickleball, like, I'll show up because I'll, like, coordinate it. Yeah.

And, like, and that's okay. She said that was a really, that was healthy. Hmm. I don't know. This is interesting. That's so interesting. It's interesting that, like, you can make a job out of anything, you know? She's a friendship expert.

It's pretty cool. That is really cool. Um, are you still reading Akatar? No. Well, I actually am not. Was that, did it just fall off? I don't want to say that like I won't pick it up again.

I read Akita the first book and then I read a court of Mist and Fury and I'm probably like halfway through that book. To be honest, like I've never read a book like this and I think I touched on a little bit. But like, okay, the biggest reason was actually it actually kind of gets like pretty complicated. Like there's a lot of new characters introduced and like a not a lot of new characters introduced and like a not a lot of new settings and like it's all fantasy so it's like kind of a little overwhelming the first book was like more like okay there's like the setting is not so crazy there's like one or two places that they go right now I'm a little confused as to what's going on so I think that honestly kind of got me out of it um two there were like some questionable feel like I kind of started to have like

nightmares or like I would like okay this is so silly no this is good but I was driving to Target and I think I mentioned this I don't I don't I might have talked to this on the podcast. But like, have you ever seen those trucks where they have like the decals all over them? And it's like fire and like skeletons. And I don't know. There was this like big red truck that was in front of me. And it had like these blue flames and the flames turned into skeletons.

And like I felt like I was like in Akitar. And like I was like this is like it's like I noticed evil for the first time when typically. I would look past that. But I saw it and I like looked at it and I like related it to Akita. I related it to what I was reading to. And like I saw myself thinking about evil when like I typically would be like, like, oh, skeleton. But then I was like, where would the skeleton be?

Like I don't know. It was just weird. It was like a weird thought process. And so then I was like, ew, I don't really like that my mind went there. So then I just like kind of quit. But I'm not saying I won't finish the book because I am very curious about what happens honestly just to the characters if i i don't know if this is just like circumstantial with like upmassing or something but like i really feel like you became more emotionally distant when you're

reading acotar is that like is that like is that a thing no no no that's not what i'm talking about like i'm not talking about like like mentally like it was like almost like uh i also had the flu when i was reading see that it might have been circumstantial but for me in my crazy mind when i was like trying to figure out i was like what's going on i was like it's akatar i was like she's in fantasy world. No, I don't feel like it, I think it was just like when you get really invested in something and so like your free time goes to it. But I don't think I was like emotionally. I want that for you though. Yeah, it wasn't, it didn't make me like feel any way about like our marriage or anything. It was just more, it's like the fantasy side of it. I don't know. I don't know. That makes sense.

So yeah, I'll probably finish it. I have some other books. There's another book. There's a new book by Kristen Hannah called I think the women or something that I'm like, I cannot wait to read. Is she the history, historical fiction girl? Yeah. Yeah. She's so good. Those posts are phenomenal. So, yeah, we tried the VR glasses at the Apple store.

Yeah, kind of lame. What are they called? The Apple. Yeah, the Vision Pros. I thought it was a really great experience. Like, you should definitely go in for a demo. Just so you know, the demos take like 25 minutes. You do have to have an appointment.

It's like a whole thing. It's a whole thing. And then you can't split the demo. So it's like if you're going to go through, husband you need to do a 25 minute appointment for you and then a 25 minute appointment for your husband yeah um i would say it was interesting um definitely very immersive it gave me a hint of like what the future could look like and it does blow my mind when i think about it but i walked out of there and i was like i don't need this like i don't know what i would do with it how much are the VR glasses

like $3,600 so it's like a lot of people say that what's what's what they're struggling with with them is like what do i do with this after i buy it even the guy who was supposed to be selling it to us like yeah I'm going to use it after my first week. He just sits on my well he said his mom watches is like all of her Netflix. Yeah so I'm sure it's great for like watching movies like I think if you're like on a plane it's great you know. I'm gonna be honest it's really not great for watching movies because it is so heavy it's gonna give you wrinkles for sure. It hurts like on your face whenever you're way it for like 10 minutes and not the other thing that I feel like it messes up your makeup. Yeah and so I don't know if it will ever.

be adopted unless they make it into like actual sunglasses. It's not worth it. I'm like, dude, I'm going to watch this, my laptop that I have in my lap and not mess up my makeup and not get a migraine from the weight. Plus it messes up your hair. Like it's just, yeah. It's not actually functional.

Just to kind of play into this like whole era that I feel like Danny and I are flirting with here, which is like smartphones not so great, social media, maybe okay, maybe not good. When you like see what they have is called like spatial videos and spatial pictures. Yeah. They showed us like a spatial photo, which is basically like them shooting it either natively on the vision pro or like with like a 360 spatial camera. And I don't know how to explain it like over a podcast, but it was a spatial photo of someone blowing out birthday candles. And to say that I felt like I was there is an understatement. Like it was so immersive.

And I could look to my left and look to my right and see everyone at the birthday party in the scene. It was like it kind of blew my mind when I thought about like all the. pictures and the videos that we take of Stella and it's like oh my gosh like I could be 80 years old well yeah sell in Tratton I could be like 80 years old and like I could look back and still see these memories so much vivid so much more vivid than I see them now yeah it's it's pretty crazy I agree um did you hear that Taylor Swift became a billionaire by only music is that is she like the first to do that yes huh you know We have to have our little Taylor Swift conversation on D-Impliance.

Here's another thing. Have you noticed that all of her good friends are doing skim's ads? Huh. Brittany Mahomes, Sabrina Carpenter, Lana Delray. Those are like all, I mean, I don't know Britney Mahomes is like one of her. But Sabrina Carpenter and Lana Delray are like good friends of Taylor. Isn't that interesting? Well, I'm, is there still beef there?

Yes. Kim and Taylor? Oh, yeah. If I was Kim, I would totally. just go after all of our friends. Do you feel like it's that calculated? Yeah, for sure. You do?

For sure. Because look how many people are talking about skims just by the controversial quotes, like people in the campaigns. It's so genius. It was odd that they chose Lana Del Rey. Sabrina Carpenter, I'm like, she's super relevant. Lana Del Rey, for Kim to choose Lana Del Rey, that seems like a little calculated to me. Yeah.

Do you feel like... I think that Kim Kardashian is. Kardashian a billionaire? Does anyone know? Is she a billionaire? Probably. Probably. Well, Kylie is. Yeah, but I don't think Kim is. Anyway, I could see it being very pointed at Taylor becoming a billion. Because you know, these girls are so competitive at this level. Like, most people are like, okay, well, you're a billionaire. What does it matter if your other competitor is a billionaire too? It doesn't work like that. Like, these girls are just competitive at the most elite level. Like, I could see it still being a petty, competitive.

competitive move that Kim is like, I'm going to go and take all of your friends and put them in skim's ads. 1.7? Oh, she's a two billionaire almost. That's pretty amazing. Kim? Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty great.

Is Taylor Swift getting a lot of hate for being a billionaire now? Like, do you think that this is going to hurt her relatability? No. Oh my gosh. We're all so proud. Are we still in the era of like supporting female billionaires or are we over that? I think it depends on who it is. I feel like Kim would get a lot of.

a hate for it. But like Taylor, I feel like we're all like, I mean, she, she made a billion dollars by doing what she loves, which is creating art and writing songs about Kim Kardashian. So like. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like it's going to make her lose relatability for some reason. What? It's kind of like she's getting a lot of hate for her private plane now. Like she's a billionaire. Like, is she going to be able to maintain this whole like, I'm just like you guys connection, you know, and still sell out stadiums? Yeah, 100%. Like we already, like, we already knew she was a millionaire.

Like, we all, like, she's already super wealthy. She's been super wealthy for, like, so. And that's why I think that's why we went back to the conversation about her dressing so homely sometimes. Yeah, it's probably strategic. It might be strategic. Or maybe she's just like actually has bad fashion sense. I think it's strategic. I think her, I think her publicist is so smart.

Yeah. Tree pain. Shout out. Now we're getting into our favorite segment. Things that make you go, hmm. It's been a second, right? Yeah, it is. It does.

We haven't done this in like two weeks, yeah? Because we've done interviews. Ah, that's why. Three weeks. So topic number one, uh-oh, the government is trying to ban TikTok. No, but I'm like, yay. No, but I'm also like, I don't know what I should think. I know.

Free speech. It's confusing. Free speech. So more specifically, Congress is trying to ban TikTok. They're trying to ban TikTok. passed legislation that would force the parent company of TikTok, Bight Dance, who is owned by China, to sell the app or would be banned in the U.S. According to a report by NPR, state representatives say the reasoning for the need for

separation of TikTok from Bight Dance is because classified and unclassified national security assessments show that the app is a threat to user privacy and that it's been used to target journalists and interfere in elections. Do you believe that? Yeah, 100%. Go off queen. The reason I believe that it's been hijacked or used for ill will is, do you know how easy it is to start an account on TikTok? There's no verification whatsoever.

You literally, I can make up an email address and just say, yada, yada, yada. And then so do you know how many like bot and troll accounts are like open for people to create on TikTok? So is that what you think the problem is? Is the bot account? I think the anonymity of the internet is a big problem because I think it allows for people to sort of like do things anonymously that they would never do if their identity was tied to it, if that makes sense. So it creates a culture of negativity, hatred, racism, bad things, you know,

because people can do it completely anonymously. So I think that that's like an issue that like the platforms themselves should try and solve. But yeah, I mean, it's like, I think it's pretty much proven at this point that like other countries will use these tools like as warfare to manipulate. I don't want to say elections because I don't know, but like probably, but definitely manipulate like our people, right? So it's like there was that huge bot farm in like Saudi Arabia where it's like literally just like a warehouse of people.

Oh people. People who were working for that government that just made accounts and would their job was to remove dissent or if there was dissent against like the crown. Do you think any influencers have ever done that where they create a bot farm? And then they just, oh my God, this is so genius. They just go in and like praise this one influencer and get a bunch of views and just like play their content over and over and over again. I think that that's probably a conspiracy that people outside of the space think.

I've never heard of that and I feel like I would have heard of it. There was a service. Oh, it's 100% possible. There was a service that when I first started on Instagram, all the Instagramers used. And TikTok was not even around. And you could hire this company to go in and comment and like DM and like other people's photos on your account. Yeah. And so it would help like increase your engagement.

And then other people would see like, oh my gosh, you comment on my picture. And then like they would follow you back. So I'm sure there's stuff like that these days. Yeah, probably so. But I definitely think that like TikTok, I think even Twitter's probably harder to create bots at this point because I feel like Elon Musk was like, hey, no more bots. You know, like that was like a big initiative. I don't think he completely solved it. But TikTok is the most susceptible to bots right now. Yeah. Like I literally could create five accounts in five minutes,

you know, and just do whatever I wanted with them. I could say whatever I want. So do you feel like is the bots or the algorithm that's the issue? Because I feel like what they're saying though is that the algorithm, I feel like what most people believe is the algorithm, like what they're actually feeding us is like making our brains Here's what I will say about my experience with TikTok because like it's been a conversation in our household for like three weeks. So I've like started to try and get on it. It is the most anxiety inducing like toxic place I've ever been on the internet. And I'm and I'm big on Reddit. Like I mean it is so like what the reason I have a hard time with TikTok is even when I created a bot account.

Okay. So fresh algorithm. It is so good at predict. pattern. So what I would do on my bot account was, honestly, I couldn't get your login. So I was like, okay, I'm just going to, like, create my own account. And so all I'll do is my patterns are, I'll search Danny Austin. I'll go, like, check on your stuff. And so, so when I do that, it's now feeding me like all of these different things. Well, don't do it. No, not about you. It's like Jordan Mears. No, but I'm definitely, it's so good that it knows like all the people that would be in your. your niche. Okay. So do you understand? Like, I'm not following these people. I only search your name and it already has built me an algorithm that is yours. Okay. But the problem with TikTok that I found is that the highest engagement is going to come from very controversial drama. Okay. So it's a bunch of like,

I'll just say this. I don't know if it's true or not, but like the, can I talk about the Aspen Ovard stuff? Yeah. I mean, sure. Okay. So like, I don't even know if this is true, but like Aspen Ovard is like now filling my fake accounts feed because she, in kind of a past world, YouTube was like connected to you. And so what happened with this situation from my understanding is that she just had a baby. Her baby's in the NICU, but someone on some site found a divorce filing. The debate is like, is this fake or is this real? Like why would, you know, this come out? Or maybe she waited until she had the baby so that that story would cover up another.

But anyway, like, I got on there. Okay. And I was like, it doesn't matter whether it's true or not. I feel so hard for this family right now. Like even if they genuinely are going to divorce and and have a baby in the NICU, the way that they are, the way that this conversation has expanded on TikTok is absolutely insane. Yeah. And it's, yeah. Because because all these people like, it would be like, um, just a normal user. Like what they do is they'll show the divorce filing and then they'll green screen themselves talking and they're like, I just found this video here and here's what I'm going to tell you. And they act like they're all breaking news sources. And they all are like basically like the Perez Hilton's of TikTok now. And so those videos are going to get high amount of engagement and high amount of likes. And then what also happens is when you click on the comments because that's the pattern. I'm like, okay, well, like let me see what the comments say.

TikTok does this thing where it's like it will recommend you at the top like other searches in a alignment with that video. So it's like. So you're learning all these things that you didn't even know that you wanted to learn or search. You're three minutes into TikTok and you are down a drama spiral that like you should have never ever cared about in the first place. It's like I'm like, oh, what?

Aspen Parker getting a divorce. Click on the comments and it's like Parker hit Aspen. You know, and that's like the recommended text or something like that. And I'm like, there's no way. And now there's already a story and narrative being fed to you that we don't know if it's true or not, but it's, you're three minutes in and you already know of this like huge controversial thing that if it's not true could ruin their lives. The doom spiral of TikTok is absolutely overwhelming. Like I find myself and like I'm in the business and in the industry, but I see how, you know,

how something could be so blown out of proportion so quickly. Like, do you remember the baseball game that one time? We were at a baseball game, okay? And we were taking a photo and someone was taking a video. Yes. Yes. And I put my hands. arm around you and you took my hand and you wanted me to put it on the small of your back. Because you're ruining the outfit shot. I wanted my dress to show and you were like, and you like the way you were putting your arm around me made it seem like, this is my sister. And I was like, no, like hold my head. So, so that three second clip, and this is on Instagram.

So this is like a kind of a nicer internet was like. Yeah, so much nicer. Was like, oh my gosh, they're about to get a divorce because did you see how her reaction? And then it would be like a psychologist being like, I'm a body language, psychologist and let me tell you about this video here and this is what this looks like. They are getting a divorce because you can clearly see that her arms are rotated at a 90 degree angle when love actually symbolizes a 180 degree angle. And it's like people just do that over and over and over again on TikTok. And so if that clip would have gone viral on TikTok,

it would have created a narrative that we would have never been able to fight. Like on Instagram, you can fight narratives. You can be like, guys, this is really stupid. Anything that Aspen does from here on out, in my opinion, other than saying nothing, she's going to lose. Yeah, because it'll always see them. Because the narrative is so big. And now you have a bunch of people who are believing it to be true, whether it is or not, with no public statement from Aspen and saying, oh my gosh. And now they're making it about them. They're like, I followed them since day one. I don't know what to believe about love anymore. And like, and it's all a fraud and you can't believe anything. And like, this is why I'm disillusioned

with love and dating apps. And it's like, so now it's not even about Aspen. It's about this larger issue. So that's a big rant to say that like I feel like the psychology of TikTok is so you just can't control it. It's a it's an absolute beast of a machine. So needless to say, you would be happy about the band. No, this is what's confusing. Let me rant one more time is because what is confusing about this is that like I,

I, on one hand, acknowledged that this is the most toxic platform in existence. But at the same time, I don't know how. I would feel about my beliefs in terms of what the government shouldn't should not be responsible for. If I were to say, I want the government to ban this type of speech. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's like I'm very against anyone on Twitter or X now that is like, you know, hate speech should be banned or this should be banned. And there's probably some forms of it that like actually is a threat to someone else that, yeah, should be banned. But that's not really what's happening. It's one political side of the aisle that's saying,

oh, you shouldn't be able to say this or you shouldn't be able to say that. And so if I take that same psychology, which I'm against on Twitter and I say, yeah, you know what? Go ahead and ban TikTok because I don't want to be a part of it. It's like not fair. Yeah. So I don't know what the solution is. Like I see the macro, the macro level problems that's causing like with our society.

And I don't think it's the same in other countries. Like I think it's like a fact now that China is feeding their children broccoli on TikTok and feeding our children. and heroin. So it's like, ah, you know? I don't know. I feel you. It is very confusing. And one of the things that I think that we feel the most with Instagram, and you know, we've been creating Instagram stories, and that's been like our main platform for the past five years. And, you know, they say like every five, six years, you kind of have to reinvent yourself. Like, you have to, the internet changes. The way, what was working in the past doesn't work anymore.

Like, that's pretty much like innovation. That's, that, that's relatable for any company. Right. Well, what we've started to see or feel on Instagram, and I think it was like confirmed this morning that Instagram is deprioritizing Instagram stories. So the more Instagram stories that you're pushing, the like more that they're shoving your content down. And so, and that's the reason. The reason why is because they don't want people leaving like Instagram stories.

A lot of times leads to people leaving the app, whether you're linking to Amazon or you're linking to another YouTube video. They want you staying on the app. And that makes a lot of sense if you think about it. You see a lot of people that are linking to their TikToks, which is what we're probably going to end up doing. But now they're being led to another platform. So they're saying, don't look at Instagram stories.

Come look at your feed. Like come look at the reels. Come look at threads. Come look at DMs. And so they're saying that now, like, you shouldn't post more than like six Instagram stories, which there we go. We're basically out of business now because that's all we create.

So now it's not that we've changed. And it's not that like I want to create a different like type of content. It's like we kind of have to because like, our platform is kind of dying. Like, where we've put, and this happens every time. And it's like, we have to learn and we have to evolve. There will come a time where I am too tired to fight back. Like, it's so exhausting because I just feel like, okay, like we're finally getting

in the rhythm of Instagram stories. It is second nature. Like, we don't even think about it, right? Like, we have, the way we've like, like, it's built into our lifestyle. It causes no conflict, no drama. Do we and I read each other. We know, like, the moments that we want to film. we don't film after five for the most part.

Like, it's like we film from nine to five, we're good. You know, and now it's like we're learning a whole other language and we're learning it together and it's so exhausting and there will come a point where I'm like, I don't, I can't do it anymore. I don't think right now is the time though. See, that's so funny. It's so funny because it's like for me, that's what I'm like struggling with is I'm like, man, is this my time?

Like, is this my time to go? Yeah, it's been 12 years for me. I'm like, and you're still, so I have read the room and I've kind of tried to press you on these conversations. I'm like, hey, like, you know, we probably still, realistically, like, from a just truly business standpoint, I want people to understand this is like an innovate or die type of moment for most creators. It's like if you, that's like kind of dramatic. Well, we're dramatic people though. But like, like, you know, if you want to kind of like strive for excellence, like you, over the next two to three years, if you are not like trying to figure out

where TikTok fits into your content creator ecosystem. Or another platform. It doesn't even have to be TikTok because maybe you have a podcast. Maybe you wrote a book. book, maybe you're doing public speaking. Yeah. So it's not necessarily that. Like, it's just having something outside of just, like, I think I'm talking specifically about the people that have made a lifestyle and a living off of Instagram stories. Yes.

No, 100%. There's, like, quite a few of us. Let me ask you this. I do have a question, and you can keep this in the podcast. So we have a Gen Z podcast producer, okay? I just want to know from you, do we sound like old farts? Yeah. A little bit.

Really? She said yes, if you want to know. Okay. But wait, we are old farts. Like, I, how old were you 12 years ago? Okay, you were 14 when I started my career. You know, like, we are old farts. Like, let's identify as the farts in the room and be like, okay, that's why it makes it

harder for us to change because I promise you, all those people, like, in 12 years from now, you're going to be feeling the same way that we're feeling about Alpha, what's the next generation? I think alpha. I think they called them alpha. You know, it's just part of like life. So do we sound cynical and jaded? It's okay.

Be honest. You just sound like, like, all of my generation are like. We'll figure it out. So y'all's, y'all, okay, I remember, I remember in my early 20s, truly, saying the exact statements of like, it's not that deep. Like, we'll figure it out. I feel that sometimes. And so that's, I would say that's the more internal war.

with me is like, am I becoming a cynical jaded old fart? We're becoming old farts. No, but like, but we can fight it. That's what I'm saying is like, I'm trying to figure out do I need to fight my own cynicism or am I like fighting the good fight and I'm right about something? Does that make sense? Like it's kind of like AOL. It's like when AOL was like, oh, Google's not going to come after us.

Like we're AOL or we're Yahoo. And it's like they refuse to innovate and they were just like, this is so stupid. What is a search engine? or whatever it was, the context of the time. And then it's like, I just feel like truly from a business stance, if you don't innovate, you do die over time. Yeah. And so I think that we're just like, is this a moral issue or is this just us being

stuck in our ways? Here's the, oh, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Okay. So you're saying, you're saying that we're not just cynical, jaded old farts,

but we're also the good side of how we're acting is we are trying to be good parents. No, a thousand percent. Yeah. I think for me, like, bottom line is I, I don't have a problem, like, switching platforms. I just want, I don't want to do anything if I'm not having fun with it. That's why I don't do YouTube anymore. Like, I hated, by the end of it, I hated being on YouTube so much. That's why I moved to Dallas.

I was like, I'm done. Like, I don't care about this career. Like, I was going to go apply to work at reward style and just, like, move on and not do, like, create content anymore. Yeah. But then I was introduced. to Instagram and I was like oh my gosh I love this so much and I I've loved it ever since and so I just need to figure out what I love to do on TikTok and like once I figure out what I love like it it won't matter to me I'm just going to create what we loved it I just haven't figured that

out yet and so I'm experimenting I'm trying new things we tried our blog last or this week where we went to our if I haven't seen on our TikTok we did a vlog where we went to our prepper stash at our storage unit and I was like I'm going to try to vlogging it and that was fun. I thought that was fun. It didn't do like really well or anything, but it was like a fun new piece. I filmed it a little bit differently than I would film Instagram stories. And so once I figure out my rhythm, I just need to be open to it, open minded. I know. That's what I'm being. Same. Same. And I need to be willing to try new things and kind of put my, you know, test it out and don't be an old fart that's like stuck in her ways. Yeah, no, I agree. I think that

there's a way, as long as we can find a rhythm that is healthy and healthy looks so different than when Instagram stories came out. When Instagram stories came out, we were like, heck yeah, like, let's figure this thing out, because it was just you and I. I think that it's a really good point she made that like, because we have kids, the health of our family is so much harder to navigate. There's so many more nuances to it that like, it's like, you're right. We found a way to do our jobs on Instagram where we could still be good parents and we could still be married and maintain our private marriage and the health of that as well as like our public kind of like what we put up. We figure out our rhythm. We fit our rhythm. Like we don't really like show anything at night like cooking or

anything because that's like time that we're with our kids like we're doing like but you'll see us a lot in the morning with our kids because we're like nine to five we're working so like we've figured all those things out now with tech talk we don't have figured out and when you have kids there's more on the line so it's just more taxing it's more emotionally draining and but don't worry and that's why we're also like trying to figure out the mindset of these ticotkers like we you ranted about this a lot you're like ah like you're doing these vlog things like how are you doing it publicly like this and maintaining a healthy private life and I'm not saying that that's they're not. I'm saying that they just have a totally different kind of like workflow and

rhythm of their family than we do. I would love to get to know some like more TikTokers because that really helped me in like Instagram community was having other mommy blogger Instagram friends that like I relate to them so much. We're all creating. Maybe we should have them on and ask them these questions. Like hey, how are you? We should have asked like Matt and Abby about this more. I know, but we didn't care about TikTok three weeks ago. I know. Let me let we can wrap up this article. We can wrap up this article, but let me just add one layer of potential conspiracy here, okay, is that I, and I believe this, okay, I believe that Mark Zuckerberg is one of the most powerful people in the United States right now. He's one of the richest. He has strong government ties, like we saw how complicit he was in

working with government agencies and like censoring speech over COVID. It would not surprise me whatsoever that he knows that he is being beat right now. Like, TikTok is beating Instagram and meta as a whole. Like there's just no if, ands or butts about it. Last time he was beat or being beat, it was to Instagram and he bought it for a billion dollars. And then he turned it into what,

a $50 billion company, whatever it is. And then the other time he was being beat was messaging on WhatsApp and he bought it, right? TikTok cannot be bought. It is like owned by China. And so it would- Now somebody has to buy it, right?

Maybe. And he also can't buy, he's also not going to buy Twitter. So it's like you look at the patterns of Mark Zuckerberg just as a businessman. And what he does is he's constantly saying, okay, this is working. If I cannot buy you, I'm going to copy you. So it's like he couldn't buy Twitter. So what happened? Threads. Right. And just so you know, I was like there, there was a reel that I was listening to this morning. And it was saying the fastest way to

grow right now is through threads. Exactly. Like meta is prioritizing. He shifts his whole algorithm around it. And we saw this again when everyone was loving stories. And it was like, can TikTok just be TikTok and Instagram just be Instagram? And he was like, no. He was like, TikTok is getting so much more use time. And so now I'm going to prioritize reels. This happened like a year ago. Then we had to start creating reels. Now he's like seeing, okay, people are over Instagram stories because even that is too long form, which is crazy. 15 to 30 second clips or a minute clips are too long form because of the way that TikTok has now wired our brain. And so he's not going to beat TikTok. Like we're never going to say Reels is the same thing as TikTok.

He's losing that fight and I think all the content creators know it. So if I were him and I was backed into this corner, what would I do? I would create a ton of propaganda. No, no, no, truly. I would hire the best lobbying firms in the country and I would create a narrative that this is a Chinese app that is being used to spy on our kids. I would highlight all of the negativity about it and I would do my absolute best to get it banned. So like I have a hard time believing that that is also not.

a part of this story. Yeah, like, it's like maybe there was, maybe he's like pooling on that thread. Oh, for sure. Somebody already kind of started that narrative and he's like, okay, let me pour some more money into it and like make this a huge thing. That was heavy. That was heavy. What else can we ran about?

If you want to come follow us on TikTok, it's at the Danny Austin doc, or the ad day Danny Austin. Please come follow us. But like give us like three weeks to figure it out. Like don't hate on art. It's like we're early. We're like figuring it out. We're late. Well, we're late, but like we're early in our content.

Yeah. Hmm. Okay. Enough of a tech talk. I have something that will definitely make you go, hmm. I actually found this article myself. Okay. I found a BuzzFeed article that is making me question everything in life.

This article is based on a Reddit thread. Before I actually go into this, can you explain to people why you use Reddit? Thread it. Why use Reddit? Because I think a lot of people know Reddit to be a very dangerous, disgusting place, which it is. But I was listening to The Toast and Claudia Oshrey, like, she, like, hates Reddit. And, like, I have more often now been using Reddit for actually really, like, good things,

like, for advice and stuff. So it's like, I don't know, I can't show the ones I was, like, reading because it's something personal. But, you know, like, so what do you use Reddit for that is healthy? So I think that Reddit is very similar to, like, Twitter for me, where it's, like, if it's used properly, it's generally it's a bad place, but you can use it in like almost refine your search in ways where it's a good place. So like, I think the power of Reddit in particular is like all of the, the communities, so like the subreddits. Yeah. So there's so many niches out there.

I'm on a Taylor Swift subreddit. Yeah. So that one's probably. They are not mean. They are just like, they just give you updates. Well, it's so, it's so depends on the moderators. That's the thing is it's a very community run community like police type of entity. And so like I think, I think, think that the toxic ones, it's like they know that they're there to be toxic. And the moderators are like, hey, we're toxic too. So this is what this is for. It's like, don't come if this is not what you want, because we're toxic. Like, if you want to be nice, like, this is not the space for that. But Reddit is like one of the most like informational, educational, educational places that I've ever found. You know, it's like there's, I'll just give a couple examples like right now, one of the

ones I'm on is called, it's so stupid. It's like R slash lean gains, which is basically like, building lean muscle while losing body fat. And it's like just every day someone has a question that I'm thinking about. Like and I'm, you know, and so I make it a habit to read that like almost every day. And I've learned so much from doing it. Another big one that I've, I stopped following it. But I just wanted to like learn about it is called, uh, R slash no surf. And it's basically people who are hyper addicted to their phones. Like, and I'm talking like not like we've been talking like very addicted. Like I cannot study. I cannot do anything.

Like I cannot stop reading Reddit or Twitter or whatever. And it's been interesting to kind of just like hear their stories and their testimonies. And like the community will share tips with one another of like, oh man, I know the stage that you're in. You know, with the addiction. Like here's some of the things that like I've done or testimonies of I've been, I haven't scrolled or searched or surfed in, you know, 15 days. Here's how I'm feeling. And so it's like a really powerful community for a specific type of addiction.

When I started Stratton on formula, what I liked about it as a mom is I could type in exactly how old my child was. I'd be like, my child is three months old, is colicky, is a male, is da-da-da-da. And you'll find a Reddit thread from someone that has the exact, like, age of baby doing the exact same formula. If the baby is constipated, here's what we did. We went to the doctor. So it's like, sometimes it can be very helpful to find the specific like demographics. that you relate to so much. For product reviews, I only trust Reddit now.

Like, because I believe that most of like the trust pilot or like there's a couple for like software products, like any software product, I go to Reddit and I'm like best software product for this. And there's a general consensus that happens in like all these communities of like, oh, this one's the best for this reason. And it's super honest, right? So how does Reddit make money? Because they're not.

I think they just IPO. Yeah. I want to move on to this article. But that's why I think people trust Reddit so much is because you don't gain anything from posting. Like you're not like, it's all anonymous, right? Yeah, I actually didn't know that for a while, so I made my thing just like Jordan.

But it's okay, I don't, yeah, you can go look at my history. Hopefully, I'm not dating out. Because all I am is in this tele-shel-show. No, it defaults to like an anonymous name. Yeah. Right. So you don't really get any gain. So it's like you might as well just be honest

because you're there for the honesty. I know. And here's the problem is like there's been some things that have had to ask about that I needed anonymity to be able to be completely honest about like something I was trying to figure out or a problem I was going through or whatever. And so it's like, you're like, my wife is an Instagram influencer. And, like, no, we live in Dallas, Texas. And so, like, again, this is why my arguments are so complicated because, like, I was just a second ago saying, like, I believe that social media platform should reduce anonymity on the internet. But like,

anonymity on Reddit has actually like really benefited so many people. But you don't get any gains from posting anything like on Instagram you get likes you get uh yeah I think that's why it's honest though like when people are addicted to Reddit or Twitter like what are they addicted I think it's like the dopamine rush of what learning um kind of yeah I think it's like if you're like it's a good thing if you're well that's why I see my like iPad Twitter thing is a good thing if you're addicted to like perfection or like knowing more or knowledge or being the best at something. And maybe sometimes for like, and I'm not saying this is what I am. I'm saying that like for a specific type of person, usually I would say male,

they're addicted to like being in the know, like on like world events. Or it's the same with like you and whatever you're Googling on like pop culture. You know, it's like. It's like being addicted to kind of the know. And so there's like an information addiction that you get. It's kind of the same types of people that are like addicted to. reading Fox News or CNN or all these other things. You feel like you're progressing towards something.

Yeah. But maybe you are, but probably you're not. You know, it's just information overload. But that's kind of the dopamine rush that I think people get from Reddit and from Twitter is like it's kind of this fomo effect. Like if I don't, if I don't like follow through on my routine of reading my Reddit subreddit that I define as valuable or my Twitters, I'm like I'm missing out on something. I'm missed out on a nugget of life that.

like I'm going to be taught something, right? Oh, okay. And it has provided so much value, too. Yeah, I mean, look at you. You know all the conspiracy theories, very knowledgeable about very random things. But even like parenting stuff, like I've learned so many like tricks and stuff there too. Anyway, we're not, this is even about Reddit. No, this is, this is.

Get to the bus feed article. Okay. So the article is based on a Reddit thread where people are sharing industry secrets. They think the public deserves to know. There are so many that made my jaw drop. But we'd be here all day if I read them. So I'm going to share the most absurd, craziest, and mind-playing ones with you. Now, let me preface with, these are things that people wrote.

So we're going to say these are all alleged dirty little secrets. This one, like, really grossed me out because I'm always a little grossed out by hotel rooms. Because I'm like, yeah, there's no way that every single square inch of this is being turned over and, like, cleaned. Oh, the comforters, like, hardly ever. Yeah. Do you think? No, my, my. Relative, I won't say who, was a manager at a very prominent hotel.

And they don't clean the comforters? No. Oh my gosh. He was like maybe, maybe once every, I think it was either once every two weeks or once every month. Sheets, yes, sheets are turned over, comforters now. Yeah, comforters now. Apparently people are using hotel coffee or tea kettles to clean their underwear. And this has become a huge issue.

First of all, that's kind of genius. I never thought about that. Because like, like, come on. Like, there's so many times I'm like, oh, I'm bringing 18 pairs of underwear because, you know, what could happen? And I never thought you could clean them in the hotel room. Can you like explain this like I'm five? How would you use a coffee maker to clean underwear? Okay.

So I'm not totally sure here, but I'm assuming like you use it because you put a little water in there. You could even heat it up and put some soap and slosh it around. That's genius. It's so genius. It's so disgusting. I don't even drink coffee from the cure eggs in there. I don't know why ever since I got that staff infection in my face because my curag had mold in it.

Did we talk about this? Yeah, but I'm actually like pretty nauseous just thinking about the mental edge thing. Yeah, the tea kettles. So don't drink from the tea kettles or the coffee kettles in your hotel rooms, people. Number two, leaving online shopping items in your cart while being logged in will likely put you into an automated discount stream. Does that mean? Like it'll just like think that you're not.

Oh, okay. So, okay, so now I get what they're saying. Okay, so leaving online shopping items in your cart while being logged in. So if you are logged in, let's just say on Walmart and you are like about to purchase some sidewalk talk and some arts and crafts for your kids and you don't actually buy it. It triggers. It triggers. It will put you on an automated email list. Yes.

I am put on so many automated email list. It drives me nuts. I don't even know some of these companies that I'm subscribed. Can I tell you the biggest hack that I will ever probably share on this podcast? I'm on the edge of my seat. Okay. It's a software called clean email. And basically what it will do is that you log your email into this software.

Why have you never given this to me? Do you see my email? Yeah, but honestly, you're so difficult to like give processes to that sometimes I'm just like, I'm just going to keep this to myself. Because trying to get this over. over the hump would be so hard. So anyway, it's called clean email. Okay.

And what it does is you can create rules for your inbox and it will auto send all these things into spam. So you never actually see any of the spam emails. And then what you can do is it has this feature called screener. And if like anyone new is emailing you, you can, it'll like put it into almost like a purgatory. And then you can. say accept or deny, accept or have your assistant.

Really, though? Yeah, I will. My email is so annoying. I never check my email because there's so many from crate and barrel and like all these stores and like what about these spas? How do spas get my email? I've never gotten a massage at these places. Oh, yeah, you're on list.

I'm on so many lists. You're on so many lists. So please help me. Yeah. Enterprise run a car buys their car straight for the manufacturers at a price lower than dealerships get and then sells them a year later for higher than they originally paid for it. True. Someone on our team did this. I was shocked. Wait, tell me, I don't understand what I just read. What do you mean? So basically what they'll do is they'll buy the car straight from the manufacturer. Okay. And then let the, like, let people drive it for a year by renting it. And then they will sometimes sell their cars back to consumers. So you can get a really good deal on a car if you buy it from a rental car company. Because they're buying it from the manufacturer. Yes. Not like, they're not buying it from Toyota dealership. They're buying it from the manufacturer. So it's already, like, like missing all of those markups.

And so then they sell it back and they might make a little bit of a profit, but usually it's already been worn. So you're getting kind of a used car direct from the manufacturer. So it's kind of the best way to buy a car. And it's typically like they're still nice. They're not like two use. Yeah. It's like, yeah, just like you would buy a used car.

So speaking of dirty secrets, do we have any dirty secrets about our industry? Of course. Such as. There's so many. I don't feel like there are. Okay. So when you're going to an influencer event, really everyone's getting along, there's so much beef with like, and it's sometimes exhausting walking into a room because I tend to be a floater. And so I tend to be like kind of friends with everyone. But then I have to be like, okay, wait, she doesn't like her and she doesn't like her. So I just got a photo with her. I hope she doesn't not mad at me that you're on a photo with her. Like let me go talk to her for a second. Make sure she feels staying here. Yeah. Like it's a little exhausting. And I think that there's definitely like an undertone of let's go talk. to the biggest girl in the room. Like everybody knows. It's like, okay, that's like, if the

Alex Earl of Instagram is in the room, that's where everybody's flocking and everybody's, I remember, I had to go back, but like, I remember I had been friends with these girls on Instagram for years. And then there was like this new, like, hot commodity. I'll tell you who it was at the time. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, so like she just is blowing up on Instagram. Okay. And these girls that I thought were like really good friends of mine. Like completely forgot about my birthday and planned this girl this like huge birthday like dinner. And I was like, dude, we've been friends for like four years.

And I didn't even like get a text from y'all. But y'all are planning this girl like this. I mean, they've literally been friends for a month. And they throw her like this big birthday dinner at one of the nicest restaurants in Dallas. I'm like, this is so obvious that you're just like doing this because this girl's blowing up on Instagram. Like you don't even really know her. You know, so stuff like that happens. Mm-hmm.

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It's very Stanley friendly. Hack. Huck. Moving on to things that make me go. This one's kind of funny. It's kind of goofy. Okay. But have you noticed like when husbands act like they don't like certain things in the

name of masculinity? when all of us wives, we just see right through it. Like, we know that you love it. And so why not just embrace it? I think that they're trying to hold on to this like sense of masculinity. But like, it's not hard to see. Yeah. Can I give you an example?

Give me some examples. I mean, the biggest example I can think of like right off the bat, which I think we all relate to is like number one. I don't want to watch that girly show. Like I'm not going to watch it. Love is blind. Yeah. But then when we're in, we're in. We're in it.

We're the bachelor. The Bachelor, that was, that used to be good. I don't watch it anymore, but. It's so obvious. I'm sorry, I do watch it. And like, you know what I think a big one is going to be? What? Akatar.

You think so? My favorite, I remember my TikTok feed, like, for a while when, like, I was getting on TikTok the most when I'm, like, searching things. Yeah. And I was, like, so into Akitar, I wanted to see all of, because since it's fantasy, a lot of people will put, like, AI to a lot of the characters so you can have a visual, like, a visual whenever you're reading. And when I was going through that rabbit hole of like Akatar TikTok, my favorite ones, I think I talked about this, were like of the husbands reacting reacting to Akatar. It is so

cute and still interesting because like every time they're on the first chapter and they're like, I don't want to be reading this. And then by the seventh chapter, they're like, no, is she going to be okay? Like they're so invested. Um, so yeah, any girly show. I think that, um, for me, it's just, I'm definitely going to be resistant to like a level. is blind, but when it's something for us to talk about, it's like, there's just like effect that happens with husbands when you're like invested in some type of like, it could be something stupid, like gossip or drama with your friends. I'm like, and she said what? And I'm like, I'm so invested with you. I'm glad that you brought that up because the second one is girl talk or work

drama talk. Yeah. Love it. Every guy wants to act like they don't care. But the moment you started talking about girls or anything that happened in the friend group, you are so invested in that drama. But it's the same thing. Like I would be too. You know, it's so funny about it too is like, I feel like most husbands, their wives can do no wrong. So it's like probably pretty toxic because you might be like talking to me. Yeah. And she said this to me. And I'm like, can you believe that? Not like, well, Danny, what was your responsibility in the situation? I'm like, that is so wrong. You are you are so right. Always. You can never do any wrong. That's why. we tell you because you're our writer died. Yeah, you're where the writer dies. That actually reminds

me of that really funny reel when it's like, um, when it's like when you start gossiping with your dad and it's like, da-da-da-da-da-da. And then dad's like, she's also ugly. I feel like that was so my dad growing up. Like my dad would bring up like, because my dad love to hear about my friendship drama. Oh, he does. Yeah. He love that stuff. And so I'd always tell him and, and like, he would just make the most off-the-cuff, like, rude comment about her and like, her feet are really big. And I'm like, yeah, like, it's so funny. It's funny. I wonder how many couples do this, but like when I come back from like hanging out with

friends or you come back from hanging out with friends or even if we both leave like a party, like this psycho analyzing that happens of like, oh, did you hear about this conversation or did you hear this going on? Like I feel like most couples have to do that, right? Yes. It's not just us. As I've noticed more in our friend group, like, okay, wives being concerned. if their husbands are getting along with the other husband.

Like, it's like, okay, so. We're so easy. I feel like all the guys all the time talk about this. We're like, hey, we're like all good to be here, you know? That is so not true. You've had them. That's not how it always was. Especially when you meet like a new, when I introduce you to a new like couple or something

and I've been hanging out with the wife. And then me and the wife are hanging out and we're like, like, we're side eyeing the whole time. Like, oh my gosh, like, are they getting along? Like we're always so concerned about the guys. It was like that even post kids. Like a year ago. I feel like when we lived in Austin, you are allowed to have a lot more of opinions about who you want to hang out with pre-kids. So like if you had this really good girlfriend, it was like the expectation was that I liked her boyfriend or her husband.

I would probably be more opinionated about it and be like, I don't really want to hang out with them. I don't really like them. I have those people that you do not want to hang out. But post kids, I feel like there's just this expectation that it's like, I'm like, I'm just here. My wife's happy and I'm good with all of you guys. There is a difference between getting along with someone and like vibing with someone.

And I want you to vibe with them and like be able to hang out them without me being there. And honestly it influences who, what girls I hang out with. You know what I'm big out. I'm big on at this stage of my life. And I've said this word a lot. Curation of guy groups. Like curating the guy group because like all of our guy friends,

they have such different, like, personalities and characteristics. Like, I put together this ski trip and I thought it was pretty well curated. And it was 13 people. That's hard to curate that many people. So it's like, I know what I bring to the table. That sounds like you just invited every person you know. No, no, no. It was very curated.

And it gets harder when you're in small groups because I'm like, ah, this person is going to, like, get along with this person pretty well. But, like, you know, we need kind of like a wild card, you know. So I've got a couple wild cards of the friend group that are like, I rotate them. And I'm like, okay, this guy's a little bit more quiet. We need the wild card here, and then I just am kind of the planner. So I just, what I do in friend groups is I show up and I just am like, fly on the wall. Yeah.

I'm like, y'all had fun. I had fun. I'm good. You're good. You know? Example number three. Skin care and self care routines. No one's hiding that.

We all love it. All the guys love it. Charlotte Tilbury. Call me bushy, but I'm a bushy. He loves that $100 magic cream. The biggest one that he still for me is the Mariana Hewitt, the Cloud. She always says, this is mama's stuff. And I say, this is my stuff.

There's, no, there's stuff. There's products I literally hide from you. Yeah. Or I don't tell him. What is the white stuff, the Charlotte? The magic cream. Man, that is a dope product. Let me tell you.

You like the clad cream from summer Friday is the new blue one. I will tell you, though, that my guy friends come up to me a lot. There's been three guys that have asked me about my skincare routine. I'm telling you. And I tell him, I'm like, okay, well, here's what I steal from Danny. He's like, Charlotte's a big gadget cream. Drunk Elephant, good brand. Summer Fridays, great brand.

Elemus, anything not scented, the scented stuff breaks me out. That's why we do keels because he can't do the fragrance. So like I know my brands. Is that demasculate or emasculate me? No. I don't think so either. I feel like for me, for me it's an investment in the future of my elasticity for you when I'm 40.

No, I think everyone should take care of their skin. Yeah. There are certain things that I think is. is odd or are odd if a man invests in them. Okay. But I don't know if I want to say because I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Well.

Because there's probably guys that do these things. Let's just say it. Maybe we cut it. Okay, we can cut it. I just think it's sometimes odd. Well, like haircuts? No, man should get a haircut. I don't even care if you dye your hair.

Like that's not weird. I think pedicures are weird. No, I, no, please. Men need to get, pedicures. If you are listening to this and you are a man or you are a wife married to a pedicures, your man needs to get pedicures. There is nothing more disgusting than nasty toes. Like get a pedicure. That's one thing that feels pretty effeminate to me is getting pedicures. But most, it might be the environment. Like it's like going to a nail salon, rose couture.

I'm telling you, nobody in that room is no one in that room is thinking about that. We are all thinking about the guy that's not getting the pedicure with nasty, Brimey, moldy toes, dirt under his tip, his toenails. That is more disgusting than the man sitting in there taking care of his toenails. Okay. I'm so curious what these things are. I think it's just odd when men get spray tans. I know I force you to do some sometimes.

But like I just think it's odd. I don't know why. My dad gets them not like regularly. Like he does it whenever I. He's going to come after you for this podcast. I know. Keep it in. Keep it in.

don't take it out. I just, I just sometimes think it's odd. It's not me. I, I don't, I got a spray tan one time because Landon,

you made Landon and I. I need to get it because to me, I do not get spray tan. I do if you lost a bet. Um, like if you're voluntarily getting a spray tan as a man, I don't know why. It's just weird to me.

But it's not like, I'm not, I don't want to be mean because I think there's a lot of men that are, and you know what? Well, it's, it's very big in the bodybuilding community. Yeah.

I don't know. Maybe I have a problem because I think that. Yeah, that sounds like a personal preference to you. There's probably a lot of female listeners who agree and there's probably some that are like, whatever. And maybe some, honestly,

some listeners are probably like, no, like I do not want my email. But I will tell you this. I'm going to tell you this. The reason I'm not scared about you keeping this in the podcast is because the men who get spray tans will die. Yeah.

Live and die by spray tans being a thing that they should do. If you are a man. They're so secure that they're not hiding their spray tans. They're like, They're like, I get spray tans and I'm all about it. Let me tell you, if you are a man and you are insecure about something that you do for your hygiene or for cosmetically, own it. Because the most cringy thing is when you hide it. Like if you're secretly going and getting pedicures and then acting all ashamed, like, that gives me the ick.

Like, dude, be like, no, pedicures are awesome. They give you a massage. They cut my toenails. I don't scratch my wife whenever I'm laying in bed next to her. I can wear sandals and not be insecure. Like, if you're getting a spray tan, be like, I'm wide as can be. I look good at my swimsuits. Like,

own whatever you think is. It is such a big part of it. It's just owning it. It's all your attitude. And then that's how men influence one another. Yeah, it's like, dude, I got a spray suit. I look like fire in my swimsuit. This is like so how a guy would react.

They'd be like, huh. No crap. How much was it? It's like, what shade you get? Yeah, it's like, they told me they airbrushed my abs out here. And then what the guy in the friend group is going to do is going to be like, babe, can you believe this guy got a spray tan? And then the wife's going to be like, oh, that's fine.

And he'd be like, really. Really? Well, do you have a girl? Really? I was just, just kind of putting it out there. Are there any other things that you find effeminate? Or that gave you the ick?

Like, do you, does it bother you that like, I, so I don't really have, like, I, I don't think I can grow a beard. No, I have never been, like, a beard. I can grow, like, a very prominent, like, stash, maybe, but it's going to be pretty prickly. But I just don't have a lot of body hair. Like, my chest. I don't have. It's so funny.

I feel like I've never been like a beard or body hair girl. Some guys like love it and they are like, oh, I need a guy with a beard. To me, I was like, it kind of just looks like it gets messy up in there. Yeah. Like food and like scratchy. I'm like, how do you make out with that? Yeah. And do other things.

So it doesn't, so it doesn't bother you. No. You didn't wish I have like a huge hair chest. I actually think I prefer that you don't have a lot of body hair. So let me ask you this. if I did have a lot of body hair and I waxed my chest to get it off, would that be ick for you? Okay.

It's kind of a philosophical question. I feel like it would give me the ick. It's pretty like, yeah, I mean, it's kind of like you got to own it. And like, I think this is what it is. And I am not saying that it is wrong for men to be high maintenance because I know some, but I think that I'm so high maintenance that I don't want to be married to someone that's high maintenance. Like I want a man to be sturdy and like not a lot of maintenance and like always just there.

Like and not be like so concerned about his looks all the time. Okay. So I like when men are probably just for me personally, I like a low maintenance man. Okay. And you're pretty low maintenance in my opinion. Yeah. Here's my question. I feel like this is a question that anyone would want to know.

Okay. What about what are your thoughts on? manscaping. Is it feminine? Wait, what is manskeeping? Like, do you like,

do you make, like, a shape or something? No, it's just general. Because I think about, like, landscaping and it's like,

is there like a triangle? It's more, so, okay, fine, there's tears of manscaping. Okay, okay. There's the haircut.

So like, like naked mole rat? No, no, that's level two. Oh, trimming. So trim haircut, and then there's naked mole rat. Okay.

And then there's naked mole rat. in the form of waxing. Ooh. So what? That can be not comfortable on the balls for sure. Well, sure. But what I'm saying is like which level gives you the ick? Level one, level two, level three.

Stop me when? Um, level one. Wait, I just, I'm just curious because I actually don't know this. Are there different shapes and things that people are doing? Like art? Like manskeeping art.

Do you want there to be different shapes? Yeah. I'm dying, I've never thought about it before, but no, I think that would be weird. I mean, I don't think like there's like, like, oh, sometimes like, you got the fade or you got the Afro. The Afro! It's like a perm. Yeah, I don't think that there's different hairstyles for your. Wait, because you know, I don't know if you know this, but that's like a thing for girls, I think.

You can do like shapes and stuff. Oh, interesting. So for like, I'm sure that some guys do that. For girls, I'm like level three for me. Like, noic, level three. I'm good. What's level three you think? Like naked mole rat by form of waxing.

I'm like, I'm good with it. If you want to go naked roll mat by other means, I'm okay. I've only done waxing one time of my life and I'll never do it again. Okay, well, I can live in level two. But level one where you're like, like, experimenting with haircuts, I'm like, ah, you know, we should, this is just not my thing. But, okay. Okay.

So some guys. Okay. Anyway. What? So I'm curious like what level gives you the ick. For guys. Okay. Okay.

I would say a two to three. That's ick for you. No, that's where we need to live. So to be clear, you want me to go wax. Oh, no, no, no, no. Okay. So level one is haircut. Level two is naked mole rat.

Well, no, because you skipped level zero then. Because what about just like let it all go. Yeah, true. So that's where I don't want to live. Okay. And I don't want to live in that zero zone. Okay. So that's why, okay, so let's say level one is let it fly, literally.

Let's say level zero. Two is a hair cut. Three is a shave. Four is a wax. Okay, fine. I have to stick between the two and the three levels. So haircut and naked more red. Yeah.

Okay. You don't mind a naked roll rat. Here's the thing when it comes to hair. for me. I don't, this is so gross, but like, even beard. Like, yeah. Like, I don't want to be around hair that has things in it. Like, that's so gross to me. Yeah. I don't know how, like, girls when they're making out, like, I've thought about this often with, like, Travis Kelsey's beard is getting, like, really bushy. And, like, it kind of gives me the heck. Like, I'm like, he could have eaten crackers, like, two days ago, and it's still in there. That's too much.

Yeah. I don't like that. Like, I need it. It's personal preference, but I understand. Yeah, I'm sorry like Taylor and you go for it girlfriend but like I just and I don't mind like a little scruff. Yeah. That's okay. But the beards really freak me out. I'm like, what are you hiding in there? See, I think most guys are like level three or four. No, you're not right because I talked to like two or three of my girlfriends about this on my 30th birthday party in Cabo.

We were on the pool floating and you're wrong because I asked them. So that means their husbands prefer. I prefer level one or two. Yeah, a lot of guys. I am so shook by this. I like literally need data on this. No, I'm like,

I am so convinced you are so wrong. It's like more womanly. It's like more woman. You're like a woman. That's why they said. I like need to text friends right now. No, I'm like,

I'm so, I am so convinced that you're wrong that like I don't think I've ever. No, I'll tell you. No way. I'll tell you who. Well, I can,

Huh? Interesting. Well, there's always been something quirky about them. Let's be real. I don't think we can say, hey, that's the standard. That's the, that's the mean. That's the average. I don't think it's that odd.

Well, let's just, I mean, okay, let's just not experiment. Plus, it's just natural game. You're right. I love women in all of their shape, sizes, and forms, and I believe that femininity is the most beautiful thing. thing in the entire world.

Can I see something I've always wanted to know? And you've never, like, told me anything about this before. Does it gross you out when I don't shave my legs? No, it grosses you out more than it grosses me out. So it doesn't gross you out? No, because I've never been able, they've never been so outgrown that I'm like, oh. I mean, sometimes it's, it's a strange sensation when I like rub, not down but up. And I can feel like, and I'm like, oh, okay.

But no, not really. You're very well groomed. I will say, like, you've always been very well kept and well groomed. Like, I've never really had to be like, hey, like, you should shave your armpits or something like that. Like you're just, I think that's you as a person, though. Yeah, I mean, I try. But I will say there are times that the legs, the calves don't. I can tell that you're very insecure about it when they get long.

But it doesn't bother me. Okay. So, like, live in freedom. Do you, girl. I've been wondering that for a long time. Yeah. Just not for too long. Because it gives me the ick about myself.

And so like when I see it, and sometimes you like miss a spot and you're like, oh gosh, I hope nobody sees that. Like, especially when it's around the ankle. Like it's so gross to me on myself that I like sometimes I'm like, I have to go. Like I actually just see one right now. I'm like, I got to go. Okay. We'll fix that in a second.

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