De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - Is Dani Austin Jordan’s Sugar Mama? Dani Tells All

Episode Date: March 8, 2023

Does Dani Austin "perform" for the camera? Does Jordan Ramirez have a"real job"? Dani & Jordan peel back the curtain of their real life in a brand new format!

Hey y'all. This is Danny Austin and you're listening to De-Inplienced. We practice that a lot. The drama. The drama. The T. You guys, this is our first podcast episode and I'm feeling so good about it. I am loving the name. Yes.

I love the name. So de-influence can mean like a lot of different things, especially online. But for me, what de-imluence means is I'm kind of trying to de-imluence myself. As an influencer, you know, I've been doing this for 10 years and as much as I hate whenever, like my mom's like, oh, my daughter's an influencer. Like, it's so cringy whenever she says that. I wanted a platform where I could kind of de-influenced myself, kind of like, I don't know, take it back and just figure out, like, who is Dany Austin again outside of this world on social media?

I also feel like sometimes, like there's a lot of fear mongering. Like, I feel like a lot of people are so scared to be themselves on social because, like, you're going to get canceled. You're going to say something wrong. It's just like not a long enough format to actually have opinions about something. And so I love this podcast because I feel like I can be me. Yeah. Can I say two things?

Absolutely. Number one is I think that the people are there too. I think that people are just like, I don't want influencers anymore. Like I want to know who you really are. Exactly. And I agree with you completely that that Instagram stories is just not the proper format to show like every single side of a story. or who you are. And so the second thing I'm going to say is I'm excited for this when you came up with it

because I'm bored. I was just bored of, you know, we went YouTube, we went Instagram, took a bunch of pictures for you, we went Instagram stories, loved that for an era, still love it, but I'm like, I needed a new challenge. No, I totally got that. I wouldn't say I was bored. I'm just looking for more. More, yes, not bored needing more.

Yes. Put it on a T-shirt. No, but that's why I'm just. I'm so excited about this. I mean, even with de-influencing, I don't know if you, I mean, I know that you saw this, but I did like a de-influencing segment on my Instagram where I talked about all these products that just go viral on TikTok or Amazon or wherever it is and actually shared like my honest opinion about them.

And it was kind of so scary because I was like, I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. You know, I'm not here to like lose friends over it. Actually, something that happened was I shared about, you know, I asked people. I was like, okay, I'm going to Sephora. Like, what should I try? and everybody was like, try this one product. Like it was like a concealer or something. So I got it.

I tried it out. I shared my honest review. Well, I didn't know, but Laura Beverly, who's like one of my dearest friends had gotten on Instagram like the week before and shared how much she loved it. And I was like,

I hate this stuff. And so then it like started this whole thing where people were like sending it back and forth. And I'm like, I'm not trying to lose friends over this. Like I'm not trying to like just be honest so I can lose friends over this. And I mean, Laura Beverly and I like,

we texted about it. And like she's literally the most mature person ever. Like if y'all don't follow her, I love her so much. She was like, girl, I don't care. Like, you know, this just shows how different people enjoy different things. Different strokes for different folks. Exactly. And she was like, no, she's like, I almost like this so that people can see different opinions.

Yes. And I was like, oh, I love you, Laura. Because not everyone would have like handled it like that. But she was just like, and it was great. And it's like so freeing whenever you feel like you can just have an opinion and not feel like. feel like it's going to be taken out of perspective. Yeah, this whole like polarization of like every opinion that we have and in differing, like it's over.

People are exhausted. We're like, hey, you can like this, you can like this, and we can both be friends. Like, we're okay. Yeah. Why would I want to hang out with someone that like likes every single thing that I, like another version of me? That'd be so boring. Yeah, that'd be pretty narcissistic, honestly.

If you're like, hey, I just want to hang out with myself. No, that'd be horrible. That's what makes us so interesting is we're all unique and different. And so anyway, on this podcast, we're going to be kind of de-influencing me. Yes. So we're kind of doing a six to eight-part series where because we're just now, you know, trying podcasting out, we're going to see if we actually enjoy it or not. We wanted to set a limit on it.

And we're going to be talking about all sorts of things like being canceled. Ooh, that's going to be a hard one. Two and a half times. Two and a half times, baby. Survivors. We are survivors. Actually, like, we deserve some credit because, like, we were canceled before the word canceled was even, like, around. Yeah, man, I feel for that episode, I feel the PTSD.

Like, I just got a cringe of anxiety in my heart. I know. Because these are things like, we don't speak about it anymore. You don't speak about it. You just bury it and you're like, that never happens. I pretended that. And then you comes up in a therapy session. Exactly.

Or on a podcast. Yeah. No, but I'm excited for that not to get too far ahead. I'm excited for that episode because I think I like understand cancel culture from like a true mechanics and like motivation standpoint. So I'm excited to educate people. That is like the most Jordan statement I've ever heard. He's like let me put a formula to cancellation. It is. It's formulaic like and now people are using it to their advantage. Anyway, we'll talk about that. Yeah. So that's going to be one episode. We're going to be talking about family dynamics running divvy, starting a business.

The real story of the matchmaker. The real story of behind the scenes of the of all the weird things that we put online behind the scenes of our business, marriage, parenting. Hopefully we can just kind of like strip it all down and just, I don't know, just communicate how normal we are. Yeah, I think so. I think it's like letting people in on the nuances of this lifestyle. It's not really a job.

Like it's a lifestyle, you know? Yeah, no. I mean, it's a little bit of both. It's a little bit of both. But it's like a lifestyle. Like every day we wake up and we create content. You know, and there's nuances that come with that of like, how are we going to raise our kids in this environment? How are we going to?

How do we think about the audience? How do we think about the responsibility of the platform? It's all interesting stuff. And it's, it's interesting too because, like, a lot of times we're just figuring it out. Yeah. Like, we don't even know. No. Can I say something?

My eye is twitching. Have you seen it? I haven't seen it, but that's happened to me. Are you stressed? I think I'm stressed. What do you're stressed about? Tell us, Jordan. I don't know.

I've kind of just been a bad mood this week. And how does it make you feel? It makes me sad. Why have you been in a bad mood? I don't know. I think that it's just, it's okay. It's okay. We'll talk about later.

Okay. Is this the platform? Yeah. No, it's not my show. It's your show. How are you doing? Well, it's hard to follow after that. Now I'm just worried about you.

You're very positive. Keep going. Okay. Well, you know what? Now that I think about it, like I'm so glad that you asked because I've actually been like okay. You know, I have had that week where you just wake up and you're just like, like, you just don't feel yourself. That was last week for you, though.

Oh, shoot. Wasn't it? It's becoming a pattern. Yeah, I'm just like not feeling myself. Like, you know, when you wake up and you just feel so bloated and you have acne everywhere and your hair is not laying right? And, you know, you just like have a headache. And then you just feel so bloated that nothing fits right. And you just feel nasty.

Yeah. That has been me. So, oh, and I'm going to take this. moment on my podcast, my first episode to make a PSA? PSA, public service announcement. If your mama didn't teach you this, my best advice would be to never ask a woman if she's pregnant. Because the amount of times I've been asked if I'm pregnant on my Instagram, the past two

weeks is insane. Let me just tell you, I'm not. Wow. Thank you for that. I needed that too. I don't care if her belly's about to touch the ground. Don't ask a woman if she's pregnant. I'm so sorry they're doing that.

No, it's okay. Like, you know, it's okay. Like, I know, and I'm not taking personally because, like, I know who I am on the inside and I'm, you know, I'm confident. But, you know, it's still sometimes kind of hurts. But, like, yeah, so my thing is just always say, well, you look beautiful today. Yeah. I will say, so, you know, I understand that that's how you've been feeling this week.

It's Tuesday. Yesterday was Monday. I will say, you were very positive yesterday. I was like, man, she is in such a good mood. Well, do you know, you want to know why? Because you looked great? No, let me tell you, because I did what any sensible woman in my position would have done. Which is?

I went to Dry Bar and I gave myself a self-tant. Yes. Because honestly, besides... Yes, Queen. Besides worshiping my Lord and Savior, that is probably my second favorite thing to do in life. Yeah. To make myself feel better. You know, actually analyzing the pattern of the day, after Drybar, it was like a very much a boost in positivity.

It's a 180. Yes. I don't even know who that girl was. You know, that like sad. The old Danny's dead. That sad, like not confident gal. Like, who was that? Yes.

I don't even know. But you know what happens when that self-tanned starts to wear off? You got to do it again. You got to do it again. It's just a vicious cycle. I'm like, will I ever see my true paleness? Let me tell you the number one reason Danny and I fight. I'm kidding.

It's not the number one, but it's up there. If I walk in on Danny while she is self-tanning, she will just get so flustered. No. It's not just you. It's everyone. We have people in and out of our house all day long. We basically operate a hotel.

Yeah. Our closet is connected to our bathroom. And there is one day a week that I do Danny Self-Tanner time, a.k. I am butt naked in like these crazy yoga positions, trying to get in every crack in crevice, you know, putting on myself Tanner. And if someone walks in, like I am so. so livid. It is so not cool. I'm like, can y'all leave me alone for literally 30 minutes so I can do this? Oh, actually, I meant to say, too, I found the most

amazing self-tanner. And you know I love my loving tan. And the reason I like loving tan is because it has like this brown undertone to it because there's different types of, just to you know, like, there's different types of self-tanner. And some of them have like green undertones and some of them have like a reddish brown undertone. Well, I, oh, sorry, I hit the mic. That's okay. We're learning. I know. I'm sorry. Um, well, so some of them have green. Some of them have like a brownish. I always like the brownish undertone. It just, it works well with my pale skin. Well, I found this new one and I actually only found it because Miley Cyrus invested, I think, $500,000 into it. Like, don't quote me, which also is like not a lot for Miley Cyrus.

Yeah. But still, I guess it like, it helped because I was like, oh, like, I want to know what it is. It's called Dolce Glow. Okay. And I got the, um, moisturizing or sorry, the tanning a lotion. I got the tanning mist and I got the tanning foam. Right now the foam is so amazing. It is like the most silky foam I've ever used, but it has a little bit more of a green undertone. It's not as green as St. Chopin.

For my girls, I said, no, I'm talking about. Like, you know what I'm talking about? That one is just like green. That's like St. Patrick's Day green. This one has a little green undertone with a little bit of red. And it's so beautiful on. Like, it is probably like one of my favorite new self-tanners. What's the feedback on like husbands or boyfriends

or significant others wearing self-tanner. I've never done it. Yeah, you've never done it except like when I've made you do it. Right. I don't know. I mean, it's like whatever like floats your boat. I've only met one guy that wears a salt tanner. Yeah, my dad?

No, just you don't know them. Oh, okay. Yeah. My dad definitely does. My dad's like a product junkie. Really? Oh, yeah. That makes sense.

That makes total sense. Well, so should we get into the guts of the episode? So what is today's episode about? I actually truly. truly yeah so today's episode is we kind of talk to our our producers sounds so official producer jennie and for our first episode we felt like there's so many nuances about the influencer industry that people don't understand and we know that because we see it in dms we get questions about it all the time anytime we like meet someone new they always ask us these like you know insane

questions about and we're like what no like they think it's so much crazier than it actually is and there are some like really crazy parts about it but um so So we thought we would take, or we thought producer Jenny would take all of, you know, the crazy assumptions or the nuances or the misconceptions about maybe just Jordan and Danny. And we could kind of react to them and lay out the truth. There's no better way to start a podcast called de-influence other than just taking them head on, you know? Exactly. So that's what you just got to take them right head on. And, you know, we get them all the time and I'm just excited to do it.

I'm excited to like go head on. Yeah. Should I text Jenny? Yeah. Oh, we, we, so she's coming in, right, to read them to us? Okay, cool. Okay, Jenny's coming. She said that she got all of these from, you know, like our DMs, our comments. Yeah.

Things like that. Cool. Cool. Hi, Jenny. Here she is. Welcome to the show. The show. It's like she's walking into the studio.

It's really like our upstairs. Like there's literally like. Like there's literally like. Diapers. Diapers everywhere. We have. have dolls. So Jenny, tell us, your mic's hot.

Don't say any cuss words. So tell us, these are questions pulled from all over the place. But these are like the tops. This is what the people want to know. I'd say so. I think it's a little mix of like, you know, what people ask in real life. Yes. What like the DM say.

Got it. Cool. I think it's a good balance. Okay. Hit us. Number one. Wait, Jenny, can you hold a mic closer to? Yeah, there you go.

Can you hear me? That's so much better. So much better. We're nobs. Yeah, we're sorry. We're all such news. We're figuring this out. Okay, number one is that Danny is the sugar mama in the relationship and Jordan doesn't have a real job.

Yeah, I am as sugar mama. Like, what's wrong with that? Like, where do you want to go after this, honey? You can get a Gucci? Okay, listen. There was a time in place where that was true. You know, like when we first got married, you know, I was transitioning from like corporate America to the, I don't think, do you think that's true now?

Do you see like that? No, no, I'm just chilling like a villain over here. No, so I think that the truth is, is that there was a time for it. Now, I think that Danny and I are very collaborative in like everything that we do. So like the best way to describe like what I do is like Danny's like the creative visionary. She'll be like, hey, let's go, I want to go do the matchmaker. I want to launch this company called Divi. And I feel like, and I hope you're not offended by me saying this, like I feel like I'm the one who's like making it happen behind the scene.

Yeah. Is that fair? I mean, you're still very, you're like totally making it. Not totally, but like you're very like, um, you have like these things that you have like a strong input on, but it like takes so much to build the matchmaker systems, processes, hiring. So there's just like a lot of like business administration stuff that goes on like in our world and I feel like I handle all of those things. A lot of behind the scenes. A lot of behind the scenes. No, for sure. You definitely do. And that's, that's what's so great about us working together is we're so different. Like, yeah. The way, that we compliment each other are, oh my gosh, polar opposite. Like, Dornan is so organized, plans everything out.

He knows exactly what he's doing four Tuesdays from now. Okay? And like he is built all these systems and processes and like is so, like the night before on his computer like literally like listing out every single minute of the day. And I wake up, I'm like, hey, what are we doing today? And it's very much more like, you know, it's a feeling. Yes. And so when you infuse a little bit,

of each one of us and the other, we make magic. I know, we're very yin and yang, I would say. Like, I can't, I can't do what I do without you. And I feel like you couldn't do without me what you do. Fair? I don't want to put those words on you. No.

But that's how I feel. Like, I couldn't, I wouldn't be. Babe, you would be lost without me. I know. And I would be lost without you. I know. I think about my life without you and I'm like, oh, my God. What would we do?

I don't know. And it's like always like these like, such simple, brilliant things that you come up with that I'm like, man, how did she even think about that? And they always happen in the shower and they always happen at the most inconvenient times. When I run too. Yeah, when she runs. So she'll like, I'll be like, hey, I have this day full of meetings and she's like, hey, I need to talk to you. And it's like, I'm 30 minutes late to my first meeting and she's like, but she dropped like the biggest crazy idea bomb. And I'm like, that's going to change everything, you know, all the time. Thanks, babe. What was the question again?

The question was, are you my sugar mama? Okay. So the. next thing I'm sure that people want to know about is because you do a lot of things outside of influencing too one of them being real estate and people ask about that all the time so I think that's like my pseudo like like people are like oh Jordan's in real estate which is like kind of an oversimplification of what I do but I'm like okay I'll let it roll you know well like there was a time when you were just in real estate like with your brother so tell people what you do with real estate and why you do that so I would say 20 what were the hard years of the internet 2020 2020 2021 oh we'll talk about that

this in a cancel culture episode but like man those were hard years to be on the internet or a public figure at all and so um during those years i was like it was kind of the first time i was like man this thing that we love to do i don't know if we'll be able to do it forever and it's not like our choice it's like hey you know something that we say could be misconstrued hey this could be people could just decide they hate us tomorrow for whatever reason so i was like hey we need to do something to make sure that like our family's provided for in the future and so um you know 20 20 20 20 20 my brother and I started buying a lot of real estate, you know, with the proceeds of like the business to make sure that like, hey, if, you know, something happens, like we can provide for our family in the future. So we have like rentals. Yeah. All over the country. So we have like 12 properties like across like residential luxury Airbnb and then like commercial properties. Exactly. So it's just like kind of a backup plan. Yeah. But Jordan's brother Luke helps manage all those properties. Yeah. So like that. Look them up on Airbnb. They're so cute. And they have the best reviews. The Ramirez brothers. Um. But yeah, Luke manages that now.

And then I became like, would you say like the de facto CEO of Divi? For sure. Because Divi kind of just will tell a whole story about this, but that blew up really fast. And so, you know, that went from like zero to 20 employees in one year. And so that was a really hard year. And so Luke manages real estate. And I feel like I manage Divi for the most part now. Exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's hard. It's a hard question. Like what does Jordan do is like it's like it depends on the day, you know? Love that. Yeah. All right.

Question number two. Ready? Okay, the second assumption is that y'all quote unquote perform for stories. I mean, I would say it's like similar to when you're hanging out with a group of friends and like you're on, you know? So like, I mean, obviously the camera's on you. So it's like not like you're not performing, but like you are for me, I feel like I am my probably closest to my like my realist self whenever I'm on stories. Because I feel like I can be myself when I'm actually around people, I feel more. Totally. And I'm not a shy person, but just like sometimes, you know, I hang out the group of people and I'm like, oh my gosh, if they watched my stories this morning, like I was running around with no pants on, you know? And like just being my goofy self and like I would never do that in front of people yet I do it in front of like over a million people on it's so weird. It's so different. Yeah. It's so different. But like unless we're, you know, doing like an April Fool's prank or something like that, we're not performing at all. I think that like one way you said at one time like we've just gotten really good at caption.

capturing the best moments. That's how I feel is that I don't think it's performative by any means because performative to me is like if we're fighting, it's like, oh, let's pull out the camera and let's capture that. Like that's performative, but we don't capture those moments because that would be just weird. I think that we're just really good at like capturing Stella in her best moments and Stratton and like Danny and like we kind of know when they're coming. Like when you do this for so long, you just know like what to capture and when it's coming.

And sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. So we just have this like long memory. real of the best moments of our life. I wouldn't say it's performative by any means. And like the other thing I would say is that for you, I don't think this is the same for me. But for you, I think that the like gap between who you are on the internet

and who you are in real life is so slim. Meaning like you, I don't think that like the Danny Austin you see on the on Instagram is any different than the Danny Austin you would meet at the mall. And I think a lot of people who meet you in real life say that. And I can vouch for that too. I mean, yes, you have bad days and you're sad and you don't.

capture those as much you're just a little bit more dark on stories but like I think that you've done a really good job over 10 years like not letting anything get to your head or the internet change you in any way you kind of just always been Danny yeah I mean I think that it's important to also like show up on the days where I'm just like not in the best mood and I think people can see that whenever I'm like I'm still there but I'm not like hi guys you know and so but also there there are it's a fine line because you don't want to show up online whenever whenever you're actually in a really dark place. Yes.

You're really struggling or you're fighting or something like that just seems like inappropriate to me. So something that I've always felt is when I am in those kind of darker places to figure myself out offline. And then if you know, figure it out kind of grow and then show up online and, you know, tell people how, like what I experienced or what I learned. Yes. Instead of like like walking through those struggles online with people.

Because I think that can get really messy. And it's just something that's always kind of helped my mental health. You know what's something, this is kind of random, but. Can I say one thing? You know what? You know what always makes me really sad? Is like when couples who like brand themselves is like happily married, you know? And then it's like they keep putting out this persona and then you find out they get divorced.

You know? And it's like, wait. Everyone's like, wait, what just happened? And so I think that the other thing that makes us not performative and like it be real is like, I do think that we put in a considerable amount of work into like our marriage and like we learn about parenting and we're like trying to be the best like offline so that we can come online too, you know? The offline is more important. The offline is so much more important so that you're not performative online. I think that that's where people go a little cuckoo in this industry is like,

well, okay, this is what I was going to say. It's kind of random. But you know, did you ever see those TikToks of like nurses in the waiting rooms or something and they would film themselves after something like really bad would happen to their patient and they'd film themselves with this like dramatic music. walking around with text, like saying what, like, happened that was so bad with, like, really sad music. And I'm like, you know, this, like, was a lot of production. You know, it's not like you just, like, randomly caught the nurse, like, in this moment. And those type of things always make me cringe. I'm not going to say, like, I've never done something like that, like maybe years ago. Like, and if I ever watched it now, I would so cringe at myself. Like,

I really hope I haven't done that too much. But, like, those type of moments on TikTok, I'm like, you're acting like a camera's not there like you literally set this whole thing up and not only did you set it up and film it then you went and edited it posted it like it's so weird it's so performative it's so performative and like hey like i'm not there's a time for that there there was a time for that on the internet and i think that that was like oh interesting like i'm seeing this new side and it was valuable in a time now it's just so inauthentic to me yeah there's just like a fine line and um people do that like in like uh like the christian ticot they'll like be like praying and like be like crying and it's like this like worship song in the background and I'm like this is so like

existentially weird you know it's like I don't know if it's a good thing it's almost saying look at me how like emotional my connection with Jesus is which like I get it to a certain extent but I'm like yeah I don't know like sometimes it's sweet and then sometimes it's too much and it's probably case by case but I have seen those before and I'm like I'm like I like I know. I know. But. So, yeah, I, I, to the question. Wait, what are we talking about? The question was, are we performative on stories?

I think that we. Yes, we are. Okay, next question. Thank you. He is for decking me from my rambles. Yes, do our, okay, let's go. Okay, question number three. Okay.

The third one is that everything you do and own from your house to your pool to the trips you go on is paid for. You almost knocked that over. Oh, my God. That would have been so bad. Coffee all. me okay so I mean some things are paid for some things but I would no our pool is not paid for our house is not paid for I think that okay I'm gonna can I be really honest yeah okay that's what is for okay here we go so there was a time especially in the YouTube days we're like literally

everything was was paid for really but you were in like college yeah I was just just trying to survive. Like for three years, I'm making literally like $18,000 a year. Like I can barely pay for anything in downtown Austin, Texas. I'm like, please, can I have a lip gloss for free? Like I was struggling so much. And like, that was just kind of part of the gig, though. Like this was, you know, seven, eight years ago.

Right. Yeah, like everything was paid for it. Like, I would reach out to any brand to get anything. Like, dude, I would have done anything for a free coffee. A free meal. I think though as I've grown and as I've evolved as you know And a content creator it is so important for me and as I've learned and reflected to be so honest about my opinions about things That's why like you know me like I don't do services for free. No when I get my hair done when I pay Perry for I was gonna say pray for when I pay for my my self tans when I do any services like even

even if I hire like a stylist for something, like there are one-offs for whatever, but like I pay for everything. And sometimes they'll say, hey, Danny, like, I'll give you a discount. And if you shout me on. I'm like, hey, I love you. Like, no. Like, I'll pay for it. And then sometimes I'll pay for it and then also shout them out just because like I want to help them.

But my biggest thing is like I want to be like a valuable resource. I want people to know when I get my Botax then like, yeah, I can go somewhere and get it for free. But no, I'm paying for that stuff. And it ain't cheap. And I, but like, I love, you know, going to Dr. Polack. or so much that like I will go and pay for it and I feel like if people know that about me then they'll come back and they'll trust me yes but if they know oh dan is just doing that because she's getting her free like yeah I wouldn't I don't trust anyone getting free Botox no I'm like if

you're getting free Botox then like I don't trust them like who's actually paying the $800 to get Botox right that's where I want to go that's where you want to go because you know that it's not cheap I was asking the friend who who who thought our house and pool was paid for. He was actually a friend of ours. How did you get a free house? And he he genuinely didn't know. And I think when I was trying to understand why he thought that what I, what I realize is that everyone is tagging so many businesses and so many things that like I feel like the internet has created such a mistrust culture when it comes to like influencers that it's like, oh, everything's free. Yeah. Every flight they take is free. Everything that like everything they get is

free. Everything they're wearing is free, etc. And I think that what's like cool now is, you know, what you said like hey let's let's pay for the things and like let's just share what we genuinely like you know well and that's one of the greatest things about like affiliate links too is that you can share things that you love and get like a little kickback from it when i say kickback i mean it's like literally the commission is so small yeah sometimes like 10 50 cents you know literally like it's like i'm like i'm like i'll make 56 cents for every single one like right um but at least it gives you an opportunity to monetize on on on things that you genuinely love that you're actually paying for. And like sometimes I'll get these like snarky comments.

We're like, oh, well, of course you're sharing that because like you got it for free. I'm like, no, I paid for Lance. Yeah. You know, like I pay for, I would say 96% of what I share online. I would say, yeah, I was going to say 95% to 97%. Yeah. So, and that's just, that's just something though, like I feel like we've done because we've learned from being like sellouts that that's not the way to be.

It's not the way to be. It's not the way to like do your business or like handle your integrity. Yeah, integrity. Like it's all just about integrity. But hey, okay, I just want to say though, like, disclaimer. Like we do get some stuff for free. Yeah, of course. You know what I mean?

Like we get boxes and stuff like that. We get boxes PR and it's always really fun to show like what brands are coming out with. And I'm always so thankful for it. Like PR is like Christmas, you know? Yes. You get PR boxes and you're like, you see the new Charlotte Teller Bray, you know, lip glosses and and sometimes we'll even send it to you before it comes out because they want you to love it.

and then share it whenever it does come out. And that's like one of like the cool things I feel like about the gig. Yeah, I agree. I feel like you want me to move on. No, I mean, I was just, we did good. Okay. Question number four? Yes.

Number four. You kind of touched on this, but the next assumption is that you don't actually use the things that you share or promote. I think that was kind of like. Same question. Similar. The earlier one. Yeah, yeah.

Anything that you promote. No. Have you ever, do you, everything that you share you actually love. Yeah. That can be yes, yes or no. I think so. I mean, I don't want to like repeat what I just said,

but I feel like once again, it's gotten to a point where like integrity matters so much to me and having people's trust is everything. So if I'm sharing things that I don't actually like, like you have to understand that person is going to order it. Get it in the mail, receive it, put it on, hate it, and then think, Dianney, why did you recommend this?

And then they're going to DM me. And then I'm going to feel like a piece of crap. Yes. Because I recommended something that wasn't good. Okay. I want people to get it in the mail and say, oh, I can't imagine people like,

like people spend their hard earned money on something that is crappy. Like that's, that I don't want to be that person that does that to them. Right, right. It would hurt my soul. Okay. Question number five. Okay. Going more personal, the next assumption is that y'all's relationship is perfect and that you never fight.

Also, with this one, you can kind of touch on the next assumption, which is that your families get along and also never fight. Sorry. It's funny. It's funny. Yeah, it's funny. I'm like, mm-hmm. I personally, I will say this. I don't think we fight a lot. Of course we fight. We're married, and we've been married for going on five years. I don't think we fight a lot. I cannot remember what our last fight is about. But like I think you'd probably agree with this. We fight mostly about work, it seems like. Yeah, because we are together 24-7.

We are locked at the hip. Jordan's like, hey, can I go play paintball on Saturday? I'm like, please go. Get out. No, we work together. We care deeply about what we're doing. We feel a responsibility and a passion for what we're doing, but we have totally different working styles.

And I think that that creates most of the conflict. Well, Jordan's not a team player sometimes. That's fair. That's fair. I'm a very independent worker. A little bit controlling, as some would say. Jenny, would you agree? I was trying hard not to laugh.

Yes, and so that I've changed a lot. Come on, give me some credit. No, you've changed a lot. You definitely have. But I would say that probably is the main reason of most of our fights. Like, for example, shall I bring it up? Are you going to talk about? Cabo.

Cabo. Oh, so we had this trip where we took some of our most loyal customers on an influencer trip because with Divi, we really wanted our influencers to be just like normal people. So we took them to Cabo and, man, we just had the most amazing trip. I was very pregnant and I will say that was like one of the best experiences of my life.

I had so much fun. In fact, the same group that we went with, they're coming over to our house this weekend. We invited them over to dinner on Saturday. They're all doing a reunion. Yeah, it was like the most amazing experience, but I will say, behind the scenes. Preach.

I don't know if Jordan and I have ever fought harder. Oh, my God. We were just not creatively aligned before we got to that trip. Jordan had this like, you know, mentality of let's get there, let's figure it out, let's go with the flow, a.k. let me just do everything. And Danny, you just go entertain the people. But this trip and this whole concept was my idea. So I really wanted to be involved in every single.

Instagram story going up, every single post, every photo, everything going on Divi's site. The whole shebang, I wanted to have, you know, input in everything. And I was left out of a lot of things. And it really upset me. And then Jordan was also frustrated for, you know, his own reasons. Yeah. And so we, I mean, I will say we did an amazing job at taking care of those people. Like, and, and we had the best experience, but it was really tough on our marriage to have,

also have to, you know, put those things aside and say, okay, this is not the time to fight. This is not the time to be frustrated. Like, this is the time to serve. And when, you know, this is over with, let's, we actually end up staying a couple of days and we kind of like, you know, reflected and took a step back and, and learned from the experience. We stayed two extra days just to do that. And it helps so much. Yeah, we really, I think the hardest part about that for me was like, it was a win across the board. It was unprecedented, first of all. Like, we were most brands who do influencer trips have like 40 people on staff. We literally at that time,

do you know we had three employees at Divi? We had three employees. Not only that, we were working out of our house. And we were working out of our house. Like we had two rooms like Stratton's nursery was the Divi office. And then this room that we're in was the Danny Austin office. We had a baby.

Like it was, you were so pregnant. So it was unprecedented what we were doing. I think it was one of those things where it was like, whoa, we are doing something way above our pay grade. with very little staff. And so we were already kind of set up,

not for failure in that, but we were set up for a challenge. And I would say, Danny's right, I think we did an awesome job blessing the people that were there, but it was so hard for me to bury the conflict

during those couple days when we were fighting. Like, I just wanted to grab you and be like, let's work this out and then like go forth stronger, but we had this whole itinerary. Oh, man, PTSD again. Let me tell you what we actually learned from that just so, you know,

because what we learned from that was very tangible. which I love whenever people can give me tangible advice. Yes. So what we did is we started this kind of system called red, yellow, green. And so whenever we're working together, if you work with your spouse, this is so helpful. So on different projects, it's either red, yellow green. Red, Danny does not want to be involved at all. Example with that, real estate.

I get too emotionally, like, attached to these properties. And I'm too, it takes too much out of me. So I'm a red. I'm like, you and your brother go do the real estate thing. Like, I can't do it. Yes. Yellow is, yeah, I want to like have a, be there high level, have some input. Green is do not make one decision.

Do not breathe in the room without me. Like I want to be involved in every single part of this. And to me, like the divvy trip was a green, but I was treated like a red, you know? Yes, I thought it was red and it was green and whew. Yeah. But like, we really have like learned so much from that. And so now whenever we have new projects going on, Jordan's like, okay, red, What are you? Yeah. And even like the pool, for example, like I was a red on that.

And so Danny, I was like, Danny, like I would love to have a pool for our kids in the summer, but I'm red, so you make all the decisions. But here's the key thing. If you are red, then when it's done, you cannot have an opinion. Oh, yes. We never talked about this set of the rules. You can't Monday morning quarterback. No, Monday morning quarterback. No, no, Tom Brady. Red means I am trusting my wife or my husband with the decision fully and I trust their ability to make the If you're not red be a yellow. Say hey, keep me in the, keep me in the pool meetings. Yeah.

Yeah. So. But I did make a pretty killer pool. You did. I, I disagreed with one point and then you told me, hey, say, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, no, no, no, you were red. You were red. Step back. Okay.

What's the next question? Okay. Do you want to touch on the other part of this, which is your families? Oh. Um, yeah, do you? Yeah. Let's get into it. Our families get along actually so well and we are so blessed.

with that, I think there are always going to be issues with in-laws and parents. And that's just part of life. But I will say, like, I am so thankful for, like, the way that our parents are because they're so willing to, like, listen to us and our needs and, like, kind of grow with us and not be super stubborn because I think a lot of parents can be stubborn. and just not willing to change. And I feel like we have really, like, grown together with both sets of our parents. Yeah, truth be told, it's like prior to us having Stella and Stratton,

it was like such a wonderful blessing in our marriage for our parents to be friends. And the more people we talk to, I think that that's very uncommon. We kind of forced it. We were like, hey, either you guys are going to be friends? Well, no. When I was dating you, I was like, are his parents cool? Like, that was to me such a big thing. When I was dating around, when I was dating around,

I was dating around. I dated like three people. When I was dating around, I was like, what are your parents like? Because I always knew whoever I married, I was going to marry their parents. Yes. Oh, that's so wise of you. No, truly, that's super wise. But yeah, I think that when kids came into the picture, like, I think that there was no

major conflict. It's just like Danny and I figuring out how to be parents, like, on our own. And so you got your parents, like, giving input into, like, how you're going to raise your kids. And so it was just like a whole new set of boundaries, I feel like. Well, you know, now that I think about it, I think we were also not aligned on how, especially whenever it was like postpartum, how present our parents were going to be in our lives. And Jordan wanted parents like around 24-7.

And Danny was more like, hey, can they come over for 10% of the day? But I want to be the one changing the diaper. I want to be the one like more hands on. And Jordan was more like, let's bring all this help in. Yes. Actually, we're kind of figuring this out in real time. Like this is really raw. Yeah.

Like, yeah, no, that is. the truth. Like it really wasn't their fault. It was kind of like our misalignment on like our expectations that I think created some, you know, like conflict. But it's cool now because I feel like we're back to the red, yellow, green on this. Like I, even simple things that seemed simple before. Like I won't ask, like I won't ask my mom or say, hey, you can come over if she asked me without talking to Danny. I'll be like, hey, my mom wants to come over. She wants to come over from like 10 to 5. Is that okay with you? Do you have plans? And Danny might be like, hey, 10 to 3 because I want to hang out still after this. And so that was. That was. my biggest thing was like because I'm working so much, especially during the week, I think that sometimes our parents assume that we're with our kids all the time. And like on the weekends, like I want to be with Stella and Stratton. Like, or after five, I want to be with Stella and Stratton. And a lot of times like Jordan would be like, okay, everyone's coming over. And I'm like, wait, we didn't get any quality time as a family. Like I want it to just be us for. Yeah. So now I feel like we're a lot better about that. It was more our fault than anyone else. Yeah, it was. And but on the

flip side of this and this, well, I'll say this and then we can close this question. Like, I'm a huge believer in the value that grandparents, like, serve in, like, our children's lives and, like, passing down wisdom, passing down experience. Like, I want Stel and Stratt and to, like, love their grandmas. You know, there's a, there's a book I always plug, like, it's taking back your family by Jefferson Beth Guinea, just talks about, like, multigenerational family dwelling and stuff like that. And so I just am a believer in that. And so now that we've calibrated, I think it's good. No, I agree. Good answer. Next question. So we have one bonus question, or we can end it there. Bonus.

Bonus. Always. Okay. More of a question, but at Jordan, what's one thing that you would want people to know about Danny that they might not know? And Danny, what's one thing you'd want people to know about Jordan that they might not know. Gosh. You want to start? You want me to start. I have so many things to say. Okay, this, you know, just make sure we don't ramble. Okay. Okay, you go first. We're doing great on time, by the way. Okay. We're killing it. So I would just say, that, oh, I've got to pick one. No, I truly mean that.

I kind of touched on this earlier, but like, I think that Danny's power for, like, being herself in all moments and being consistently yourself, despite, like, what you've been given in life and, you know, the platform that you had, like, just staying grounded. I think it's, like, truly a pretty remarkable thing. Like, for example, if God would have given me a platform, like, as a male, Like I think my ego would have taken over. I would have moved to LA.

I would have been a really bad scene. You know, like, and I just think that the way that you stayed grounded in yourself throughout it is an accomplishment that I don't think a lot of people could probably do. And I just think that that's, I just appreciate that about you. I also think that,

um, sorry, this is a bonus. I also think that Danny can forgive people faster than I've ever seen anyone forgive. Like I will hold on to a petty girl grudge that Danny's, going through longer than she will. And like, I'm not even involved.

Like, I just think that your power for seeing the best in everyone and showing grace to people is pretty like, um, it's just a gift that God gave you. I feel like. It's truly so sweet. Okay. Now it's your turn. Affirmation's like, I love. No, no, you love affirmation.

I love it. I'm like living for this. I'm like, sign me up for every podcast. See, my heart like, and I, it's not because I obviously don't have anything to say. It's just like I it's more difficult for my words words are yeah I I get what you're saying Yeah yeah okay so I would say for Jordan is he is always thinking about everyone else Especially me oh my gosh he's the most serving person in the world he's always he'll walk into A room and be like hey Danny like you need to go talk to Nikki I think she's struggling and I'll be like

What how did you read that like he's so aware of people's emotions and always worried about everybody else which is a great thing to be whenever you're a leader. He's also the most amazing husband and father. So hands on, there is not one task that is like too big for Jordan. He will always humble himself down, get his hands dirty, get right in there and like do it with like the best attitude.

And yeah, just like the way that he, I think one of my favorite things about you is you're always growing too. He's never like stable in, and who he is, like he always wants to be reading or challenging himself or learning something more. Like, every week there's like a new fad that he's doing to like, you know, better himself or better our marriage. Or better himself as a father, always reading new books or buying new products or whatever it is. And it's something that I've always really appreciated.

Look at us crying on our first podcast. Oh, my gosh. Wow. Well, that was a good segment. Yeah, enough about us. Yeah. Should we talk about pop culture, current events? Not so much pop culture.

I think that, you know, something I wanted to share on our podcast or have like a little segment for is, you know, things that you can talk about whenever you are just like with a group of friends sitting at a dinner, kind of like table talk conversation. And so that requires talking about something outside of ourselves. Yes. So I thought we could talk about kind of two current events going on. in our world. I'm excited about this segment.

I hope that, you know, as the listeners give feedback, I hope they like this because this is fun for you and I to do. Yeah, it's something not about us, but it's something that's kind of relevant

to our followers and relevant to our industry. So do you want to hear about our first story? Yes, tell me. This is super interesting and I don't know how I feel about it. Okay. And it relates to Instagram.

So, let's see. Meta's, so meta, which is Instagram, meta's testing paid verification for Instagram and Facebook for $11.99 per month on web and $14.99 per month on mobile. And an update on Instagram. CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced that a meta verified account will grant

users a verified badge, increased visibility on the platform's prioritized customer support and more. The features rolling out to Australia and New Zealand this week and will arrive in more countries soon. So let me just kind of set this straight. So with meta verified, it's like getting like a blue check mark, which we have a blue check mark and like let me just tell you guys right now, it does nothing. The only thing that it really does is whenever we DM someone, it pushes our message to the top. That's it. We get like no extra love from being verified. You know what?

You underutilize that right now. I know. You should be like DMing like Haley Bieber, Justin, Drake. No, I literally thought about that the other day. I was like, why have I not been DMing everyone? Like, especially if they're going to take it away and give it to everyone. Like I need to start DMing the most famous people. out there and see the replies.

So just, but I want you guys to know, this blue check mark that we have does us really nothing. It kind of gives you like a little bit of like clout. It's like cool, like you got a blue check mark. Besides that, it does nothing. So with this new meta verified that you will be paying for, you get a verified badge confirming you're the real person. You get more protection from impersonation with proactive account monitoring, aka Instagram will be doing the job they should already be doing.

You get help when you need it. A.K. you might get customer support, aka doing the job that Instagram should already be doing. You get increased visibility, so you're paying for more views. And you get exclusive features to express yourself in unique ways. This just sounds like a whole bunch of bold to me. You know how they took away the like on story slides? They took away the clapies.

Yeah, people think that Instagram story views matter. Tell them what actually mattered. The clapies. We, so. Wait, tell them exactly what you mean. Okay, okay. Okay, so on, they took away this feature. Maybe it's just for new meta verified, but like we, like, if Danny posted a funny joke,

I would always like look at how many like laughy faces. So like, you know whenever you, it's how you react to a story. You can swipe up and react with like there's like six different reactions. It's like clappies, heart eyes, a laughy cry face, a heart. Well, so I would be like, oh, like story views are this or the. And Jordan's like, well, how many clapies did it get? because another thing is like what was it like 10 laughy faces equal one clapie? Yeah.

So I came up with this like weird formula in my head where it's like one clappy equals 10 laughy faces. So if you get a story slide like a good joke that has like like let's say 200, 250 laughy faces, that is about equal to a story slide that has 50 clapies. Or two clappies. Or no. That's too many. Okay.

Yeah, you're right. 50 clappies. Yeah. And so we had this. like internal dialogue. It was like mostly a joke, but like if Danny would post a joke, I'd be like, I'd be like, I'd be like, I was like, this only has like 25 laughy faces. The other day. Remember when I was like, tap to clean my kitchen and then you tap through my stories and I was like, JK, like that one got so many clapies. That one was good. Yes, that got a lot of clapies.

Anyway, back to the news. So what do you feel about this? Because now it sounds like we're paying $11.99 per month to have a blue checkmark. So everyone is going to be paying for that, except for the people that like don't care. But, you know, most influencers, most brands, anyone that wants to have a platform is going to be paying for this. Yeah. I don't know. Like, what are your thoughts? Because I just feel like you're finally paying for what we should have had in the beginning. I know. I can tell that you feel pretty cynical towards this. Well, I feel like cynical because like I've had so many issues with my Instagram happen. Like this happened one time where I shared my mom's account. She got 100,000, followers in one day.

Instagram thought that my account was like a bot and basically like logged me out for a month. Do you remember that? Every single time I got on my stories, it would just log me out. And so I had no one to reach out to. And I'm like, dude. So are you most cynical about the customer support side of this then? I would say customer support is. Like are you upset that like I could go buy verification?

Yeah, no, I'm not, no, I don't care how many blue check marks there are. Like that's fine. That's equal the playing field. that everyone deserves it like it's fine. It's just frustrating to me that I feel like I have to pay now for something that we should have already had. I agree with that. Especially like if you consider like I mean the content creators are what make Instagram. Instagram.

So like the very fact that they're not giving their creator support, you know at the end of the day, it doesn't make any sense. So the customer support side I understand, I would say the flip side of why I'm like pro this is because I think you and I always talk about this where it's like anyone's an influencer. It doesn't matter how many followers you have. everyone's like God's given everyone a story like it's important and so it's cool for the playing field to be level i think twitter's doing this thing as well and like for so long if you're a big like twitter user it was like all of these like elite twitter users controlled the whole narrative right and so now i'm pretty active on twitter and i love that like now everyone can basically be a blue checkmark and so it levels the playing field in terms of like decentralizing information

I love that. And so I'm so pro this on social media because I'm just, we're not brainwashed. Oh my gosh. I'm so sick of the brainwash. Like, decentralize it. Like level the playing field, create independent influencers,

independent journalists. Like let us understand like what's really going on. Yeah. Instead of just showing us like brainwashing us and showing us exactly what you want to to show us. Exactly. And so like I love that move on social media in general for that reason. But yeah,

the customer support side, I don't understand. No, that's what's frustrating to me. It's like, come on Mark. Mark. Mark.

Mark. Mark. Mark. Mark. I saw that you were like, stank. Should I call him? Should I call him? I'm going to call him.

I'm just kidding. Oh, my gosh. Okay, you want to hear about our next story? Yeah, is it juicy? It's kind of juicy because of the industry that we're in, and you would think, you would thank because of the industry we're in that I would have a different point of view on this story. Read it. So this is about oliplex.

Oh, now I know it's juicy. Okay, got it. More than 100 customers. are now part of an ongoing injury lawsuit against the hair care brand Oliplex, which rose to prominence as TikTok influencers and celebrities embraced it. In recent months, Oliplex customers flocked to social media message boards to share stories about their hair breaking and falling out, and some have obtained refunds insider previously reported.

Oliplex has repeatedly said its products are safe and effective and posted reports of third-party tests on their website that demonstrated that. Oliplex has denied the lawsuit's allegations saying on Thursday that the company had gone above and beyond industry standards and posted the results of its test from third party labs. So from my understanding after reading more about this, people are most upset about obviously losing their hair, which I feel for them. You guys know I went through my own hair loss journey and it is so emotional and I feel for them and it's definitely not an easy journey. What they are upset about are a couple of ingredients, one of them being lilyol, which is actually used in fragrance and it's banned in the EU. So oliplex was using lilyol, although you have to note they were using it at really small concentrations. All of the studies that we have about lilyol, it's about it's harmful if you use them in like huge doses.

Typically that's how it works. So they had it in small dosages, you know, still they shouldn't have put it in there. Yeah. So the EU typically is like way about. our beauty standards. So like, if it's banned in the EU, like you probably shouldn't play with it.

Yeah, I mean, they didn't really do anything, um, like wrong in the United States, but like, it's just like an integrity thing. Like,

yeah, like just don't put it in there. If it's, if you know. So I understand that they ended up pulling Lillial from their ingredient list. They pulled it from their products. But people are upset because they didn't do a recall or anything.

So they were still selling old picks that contain Lillio. Got it. And even to this day, people are saying that you can, still buy it on the shelves that has lilyol, even though they stop putting it in their products. It's still out there. But still, I just, I just want to note that it's at such small concentrations that according to the studies, it shouldn't be causing.

Was lilyol the only ingredient that was problematic? So then there's also panthenol, which is like literally in everything. It's a form of B5 that can cause a reaction like it can cause like itchiness or, you know, just any type of irritation. y'all, that product or that ingredient is in so much of what we use. So if you're going to cancel Oloplex, you've got to cancel all these other brands. Once again, it's whenever it's used at such high dosage that it's harmful, they are using it at such a small concentration that it most likely was not, you know,

actually causing hair loss. And now I don't know all the things. I have done a lot of research about it. And it kind of just seems like, I mean, you never really know. You would have to do kind of like these medical tests on these. people that are actually making these claims because, you know, from my experience, hair loss can happen because of so many different factors and so many different reasons. And so just to blame it on one product is, it's, it can be very, uh, damaging to that brand. Right. And so you really want to

make sure like that is like the one thing that was actually causing the hair loss. And I know a lot of people can develop like alopecia area later in life, you know, it can be stressed. It can be postpartum. A lot of the pictures I saw, there was, you know, the pattern of hair loss. It didn't really seem like it would happen from a product, but I'm not a doctor or chemist, so I don't really know. But yeah, it's just like a tricky thing for me because sometimes I feel like these type of lawsuits just have people kind of jumping on the bandwagon. Right. And I know that they're upset about these two ingredients, but if you really look at how much is in there, it's so little. It's so minor.

Yeah, I would say, so first thing, when you were going through your hair loss story, the one thing I remembered about that whole experience was we went to dermatologists, we went to hair centers, we went to all of the experts we could. And the hardest thing about hair loss is there's no one single cost. You know, it's like it could be sleep, it could be diet, it could be you pulling out your hair, it could be stress, it could be, you know, hormones. It can be so many things. And so while I was looking for a single kind of clear cut answer to like, why is my wife losing her hair, there was, there wasn't. one, right? And so to point to one product and say, this is causing all of my problems, there's, in our experience alone, like, that's not how it works in my opinion. And so I think while people probably would assume we're like jumping on the Oliplex bandwagon, I actually like feel for the company in a lot of ways, just knowing how product development works and the challenges with it and how everyone has different skin types and scalps and hair, you know, it's hard. It's so hard. Like something that I love and works for my hair. I mean, we all have such different types of hair and scalp. Somebody else might use and say, oh my gosh, I hate this. Right. So it's, it's really tough, but I will say,

like, Oliplex is not completely innocent. The fact that they put Lilio in there at all was not a good idea. But in terms of, like, it actually causing hair loss, I don't know. I don't know. But, yeah, it's just, I feel, I feel for brands whenever, like, people come after them, I'm like, okay, but, like I know how much kind of goes on behind the scenes. Yeah, like operationally, like you telling me they're still selling their products to Lilial, like what my mind jumps to from an operation standpoint is they probably had millions upon millions of dollars of inventory, like still on the shelves. They made a bad move.

I think it's like, why don't you do a recall at that point? Right. And that's what I'm saying is like I think that they should have recalled. They probably didn't. Because they probably would have done so much damage. For profit's sake, they probably didn't recall. And then now they're trying to kind of like, okay, we'll sell it in this retailer. We'll kind of sneak it by.

and that's where I think that they, it seems like they got caught based on the facts. Yeah, I mean, it's in my best interest to totally crop on them because like, you know, yeah. Because buy Devi, you know, Devi's the best. But I will say like I, I'm just like approaching this like a normal person and I'm looking at kind of the facts and I'm like, okay, I feel for them. And I still don't like their products. I'm not going to buy them. I don't think that they're good.

So. Okay. Like I think we're just trying to empathize as business owners being like, oh, I see how this decision was made. It was the wrong decision, but like we see how it kind of happened. Yeah, you kind of feel for them. Yeah. Wow. So now you have two things you can talk about at the dinner table tonight. So much value. So much value that we're adding to your lives. Well, you know what? We have

officially been recording for 59 minutes and 52 seconds. Wow. How crazy is that? How do you feel? I, you know, I was a little sheepish at the beginning of the podcast. I know I felt that from you. Really? I'm feeling more loosey-goosey now. Yeah. And I think we're going to enjoy this. I think it's a lot of fun. It's a little therapeutic for us. It's kind of like a little couple's counseling session too. It's a time for us to connect, connect together, connect with our audience. So here's what I want you guys to do.

If you are listening to this podcast, I want you guys to leave us a review. But only if it's nice. If it's not nice, I want you to go somewhere else and talk crap about us somewhere else, just not on this podcast. But we are open to constructive criticism. Yes. The way you approach that is you say something that you did like about the podcast. and then you see something that you didn't like.

This is what you should change. A compliment sandwich. A compliment sandwich, yes. We should teach people how to do that. We'll talk about that on the next podcast. Yes. On our cancel culture podcast. Yeah.

I feel like the internet could really use that lesson. Yes. But no, feel free to kind of let us know what you think, more topics that you want us to cover. And yeah, thanks for being here. We will talk to you guys next week. Bye. Bye.