De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - Jeanine Amapola Reveals What It’s Really Like in the World of Christian Influencers

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

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The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. D-influenced. Ooh, the enthusiasm was so good. You guys, I have my longtime friend, I mean, it might be of probably over 10 years. Oh, yeah, it is. Janine Amapola. Now Ward.

Oh, my God. I have never called you Janine Ward. I know, nobody does. Sometimes even I forget to. Did you change your last name? So, no, I'm going to, but I have. haven't legally done anything yet. It's just such a process.

We need to talk about that because I haven't either. Really? I've never changed my last name. But before we get started, I want people to know who you are. So we have, our producer made this just gorgeous bio about you. I think it's from my website, actually. Oh, I recognize it. Then Janine made it.

Janine Amapola. Janine Ward is an author, podcast host, speaker, and Christian influencer based out of Dallas, Texas. Not anymore, baby. Now she's in Oklahoma. She has been in the social media industry for over a decade and has garnered over 2.7 million followers across all platforms. She loves to post topics regarding growing your faith, identity, dating, fashion, confidence, health, and probably momming now.

Mom now, yeah. Momming and more. Oh my goodness. Okay, I'm so excited. I've been on your podcast before, but it was years ago. A long time ago. So Janine has a podcast called Happy and Healthy, and it's great. I love, Janine's one of my favorite people to follow online because I actually think you're you're better offline than you are online oh my god what a compliment but i've always said that about you i'm like and that's when you know someone's like legit yeah i'm like um but we've been friends for years we met originally at the university of texas welcome baby and then um we became friends through youtube and then jenny and i we lived together after school she even lived with me in jordan we got married first year of marriage i'm like hey yeah well you were out a lot because you were dating

Yeah, but I also lived half California, half Dallas. True, true, too. So, I gave you guys your space a little. Yeah, you did. She was like our little child. And then, yeah, and then recently she moved to Oklahoma, has a son now, Duke. Yep. And how old is Duke?

He's four months. Four months. I know. What's his, like, what do they do at four months, babies? I have an eight months old and I like care. He's starting to roll, grab his feet. He's chewing everything. Slobber city, biting his hand, starting to teach.

he laughing a lot more. Not sleeping as well. Yeah, does he sleep through the night? No, definitely not. A girl, I wish. I need any tips. Yeah, what is, then what does like nighttime look like? Like, what time do you go to bed?

And what is that? So when we're traveling, it's a whole mess. But I try to get him down around like 8, 8.30. But lately he's been not wanting to do that. But he'll normally sleep from like 8 to 1. I'll wake up feed him. And then again, maybe like 1 to 4, 1 to 5. And then again, feed him.

and then another five to eight. Wait, you're feeding him twice per night. He's a hungry boy. No, I mean, that's great. Growing boy. But I like, and do you fall asleep easily right after? Oh, yeah, because I'm exhausted. Literally, like, one eyes open and I'm like a zombie, but.

And Caleb's in law school now. Yeah. So he probably, like, needs to get his sleep. Yes. And like, because he's probably studying a lot. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, we'll start the night together. We'll go to sleep together around that first or second feed.

Like, if Duke is quiet, Caleb will stay with me. if he's like super fussy over a 30 minutes, Caleb will go upstairs and then he'll sleep so he can make sure he gets sleep for school, which that's a hot take. I know a lot of people are like going to be like, like, what the heck? But it works. And I want to personally make sure Caleb can function for school. So I don't mind the sacrifice. And it's law school. So I feel like you need to like be paying attention. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. It's like hard. It's like hard. It's like hard school. No, literally. Like I thought you two was hard, but then I see what he's doing. And I'm like, I was a calm major.

Andy already like did school to be doing school again. Yeah, no, dude. Oh, man. I thought about going to seminary. I have two. Let's do it together. Recently, I've been thinking about it. Really?

Not because I want to do anything with it. I really don't. I just want to learn. Me too. That's literally I just want to learn. Same. Because sometimes I'm like, why did that happen in the Bible? Same.

Or like sometimes I just like don't understand like the sequence of events or like how everything adds together and then yeah. I don't know. Let's do it together. Would you go to the one in Dallas? That one, I've heard bad things about that one. Really? I heard that was a good one. No, okay, I've heard it's good, but I've heard a lot of people lost their faith going to that.

Uh-oh. Yeah. But I kind of like that, though. But they say seminary is where your faith goes to die. Have you heard that? Wait, no. I don't know anything about it. No, I know someone that went to that school and she really struggled afterwards.

Because you learn so much that you're like, it's like then you start to become more logical than faith. Yes, exactly. Or you start questioning everything and you're like, but there's no answers. Where do I get the answers? And then there's none. That wouldn't bother me. That wouldn't bother me. But it would be like the things. Okay. So like two big things I've been reading a lot about are like tithing and also the tribulation. Oh yeah. And like I have a pastor back. I've talked about this on my podcast. But my pastor that I grew up with thinks that the Antichrist and the like the beast already came. And. And like I have a pastor back. I've talked about this on my podcast. But my pastor that I grew up with thinks that the anti Christ and the like the beast already came. Interesting. I've actually heard that too. Yeah. So he already thinks that already happened. So I don't know where that leaves us on the timeline. Yeah. But so I started to kind of like research that more and a lot of it kind of makes sense, you know, and then there's some things that don't make sense. I haven't researched it yet. So I can't really speak on it. But yeah, I'm not saying that's what I believe. But you know, you just start like reading. You're like, oh, that's another way to look at it. Or same thing about tithing. I grew up in a church too that every single Sunday we had a 30 minute tithing. sermon like at the beginning of yes and it was very like I remember as a little girl being like oh my gosh if I don't tithe like God is not going to bless me and it was very like guilt trippy and so that's just how I've always thought about tithing because that's instilled it at you anyway and so I've been

researching a lot about tithing and how it was like of the mosaic law and that was for the Israelites that were living in Israel and it was like when government and church were confined it was like all this stuff and I'm like whoa I never like why do I do the things that I do and just anyway so So that's more why I was interested. Yeah, there's a lot to unpack there. Yeah, we don't have to go through that. But I was just like, yeah. No, it's good.

Yeah. Maybe we'll just have seminary together. Who knows? Yeah, maybe we'll, we'll just challenge all of our beliefs. Why not? So I was really excited to have Janine on the podcast. She obviously started as, I would say, we used to call each other, like, back in the day, we called as like beauty gurus on YouTube.

Which it's not even a thing anymore. No, they don't even call beauty gurus. I guess, like, YouTubers. And then you've kind of transitioned your content. to focus more on faith, lifestyle, happy, healthy. You're very healthy in general, diet, exercise, all those things. Yeah. And so I've always thought you were a really good role model because you're not afraid to tackle topics.

I feel like you always look to scripture in the Bible to, like, defend your beliefs. You're very consistent. And you've been able to do it in like a very humble way that, like, I'm not going to lie, a lot of Christian and losers just give me the absolute ick. I mean, understandable. And it's really hard sometimes. And I've always been like, Janine's like one of the few to me that has just been able to really figure it out.

And so I've always really respected you for that. Thank you. So I'm really excited to have you on the podcast. And I honestly, like when you agreed to come on, I knew exactly what I wanted to ask you. So I have this like just list of questions that I thought I would go through. and I bet it's a lot of questions that culturally are relevant right now, especially for people that are like curious about becoming Christian or like learning more. But also I think these questions are really good for people that are like actually pretty deep in their faith.

But it's just like they're challenging questions. Yeah. Well, I hope I can answer them. Yeah. But okay, so I kind of want to just start with, you know, we like to de-influence people here. So, but I kind of just want to like know. what it's like being a, do you consider yourself like a faith-based, a Christian influencer, or an influencer that's a Christian? See, that's just so funny because obviously I started doing YouTube.

Yeah. And then 2020, 2021 is when I started to become a quote unquote Christian influencer. That wasn't even like a term. And then all of a sudden people were like, oh, she's a Christian influencer. And I was like, wait, when did I become a Christian influencer? And so I never coined that term for myself, but I guess other people were. So then I was like, okay, I guess I'm a Christian influencer. I feel like there's a lot of, you know, connotations around Christian influencer, like what you're supposed to look like and dress and do what your content's supposed to be. And so I feel like I now would prefer just to be like, hey, I'm an influencer, but I'm a Christian.

I don't mind if people say Christian influencer, but I feel like everyone, if you're a Christian, you should be an influencer. Totally. You know what I mean? So like technically you're a Christian influencer too, because you have influencing you're a Christian, you should. No, I know what I mean? No.

So I don't really care what people call me. I've always said I'm an influencer who's a Christian. Yeah. I just don't like the label. Yeah, I think it's a little weird. And I'm fine with it. I would still sometimes call myself that, but I do feel like it comes again with like a whole like subset of things people

automatically assume. Well, and that's what I wanted to ask you about is like, because people assume that and they're like, okay, let's just say they assume, you know, you're a Christian imposter.

Do you feel like you get a different level or a different type of hate than like maybe I would? because I don't think I like, I don't think people label me as a Christian influencer, but I talk about my faith. Do you think our hate is like different? Yes, I do. How? I think for me personally, because when you are a Christian and if you say, okay, I'm going to stand for truth, I want to be bold, I want to share the gospel, people expect you to talk about every single topic and say, hey, back it up biblically. And so sometimes I'm like, wait, whoa, like, I haven't even processed this yet.

I haven't figured this out yet. I don't know what I think quite yet, but they demand an answer. Because if you're a Christian and you say you stand for the gospel, then you better talk about X, Y, and Z. Or it's the, oh, you claim you're a Christian. So then why do you promote overconsumption? Or why do you promote putting on makeup? I thought, you know, God said that you're fearfully, wonderfully made.

Why are you putting on makeup every single day? If God has said you're so perfect the way you are. My hate looks so different because a lot of it is Christians attacking me and using scripture to kind of like justify it. And I'm like, wait, what? So it definitely is a little weird. How do you, do you read your, like, mean comments? Do you read your stuff?

I try not to, but I mean, sometimes you just see it. It pops up. It pops up, yeah. And if they want to hate you, they'll find a way. I don't feel like I get that much hate. I mean, I do in the DM sometimes, and I do see it. And sometimes it hurts. But I feel like mostly my audience is very positive and thankful.

But I don't look at podcast comments sometimes. too much because that's where they're savage. They're a little unhinged on there. No, I know. And it's probably, I don't know, you're probably like me where the hate picks up when like something crazy is going on. Oh, yes. Yeah.

I mean, I recently lost like a ton of followers, which is okay. How many do you lose? I just checked. I lost 8,000. Oh, I lost 40,000. I beat you. Ha-ha. I'm like, crime you wherever.

4,000. 4,000 was like in my first minute. No, it was crazy. But I know, does it hurt you when you lose? followers, does that hurt your feelings? I think old me, yes, because I mean, I would put my whole identity into my page growing or how well it did or didn't do. And this most recent time, I was just like, you know what, I'm okay. Like, I'm okay that I lost some followers. Of course it stings, but at the same time, I was just like, that's okay. Like, I don't necessarily need people to like me.

I also know that I'll lose maybe the people that don't like me and I'll find the right people. And I feel like I'm okay with it. And past chaning, definitely not, though. Have you ever had criticism that like, I guess my question is, let me think, criticism that really hurts, that, like, attacks your character. Yeah, that's my least favorite. Yeah. I'm like, so. Yeah, because it's like, to me, you can call me ugly, fat, stupid.

I'm like, cool, whatever. They can call, I really don't care. But when it comes to an attack on my character, that's where I'm like, ugh. Like, it's like a dagger because I think a lot of people can assume things. and that's just the internet. Like, they're going to see one thing. They're going to assume and they're going to run with it. And then they spread it like wildfires.

And then everyone believes it. And especially when it's false, it's like everything within me. Like, I recently told you about a situation. Yeah, yeah. Everything within me wants to be like, I'm going to defend myself and you don't know me. And like I want to get all like angry and like have a chip on my shoulder. Yep. But then like when I go back to the Bible, when I go back to what God says, I'm like,

I don't have to prove anything. I don't have to do anything. God is my defender. And the truth will prevail. prevail. If it is true, then I need to self-reflect and look and say, okay, maybe I do need to work on it. But if it's not, then, like, why do I need to prove myself? Yeah, it's definitely a process of thoughts. Oh, you have to, yeah. Because if you react, like, because I'm the same way. Like, I just told you about a situation. Yeah. I'm the same way where, like, immediately my flesh is like, I want to freaking defend myself and I want to tell her out the things that she's doing wrong. But like, you're right. Like, God is a just God. It will, like, it's, like, it's, how it's supposed to happen, it's going to happen. And, like, I don't need to get in the way. But it's, it's a process.

It's very hard, though, to surrender and step back and just say, I have to be okay with people not liking me and misunderstanding me. And that is the ifiest part because, again, like, I want to go in my stories and be like, guys, that's not me. I swear. But then if you do that, you'll be doing that every day. So, trying to prove yourself, live through that lens. It's just not worth it.

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what are your, what are your thoughts on that? Oh, man, I have so many. Please. I've wanted to talk about this on my own podcast so many times, but it felt weird because I am a Christian, influencer and have a Christian podcast. So I don't feel like it's inherently wrong to obviously post your faith online because I think you should you should use the means that God has given you. And I believe that the gospel can be reached to all over the world because of social media. And so I think there's a huge bonus and blessing that we get the opportunity to do that. But I think if you are someone who's wanted to do Christian content and it's starting to turn more into performance and algorithm and what's going to get me views and is this going to be click

Beatty and is someone going to follow me because of this? That's where I think it's a very dangerous game. And I used to be like that. I remember when I first started, Christian influencing wasn't even a thing. Like it literally was not. And then it migrated into that where all of a sudden it was popular to be a Christian influencer. And I remember being like, wait, this is weird.

Like this was not cool back in the day. Like when I started first on Christian Christian influencing, I remember people being like, ew, unfollow. I did not follow you for this. This is gross. Like I don't, don't shove your beliefs on me. And I was like, I'm not even. trying to do that. So it's weird going from that to where now everyone is wanting to be a Christian

influencer. And I think the dangerous game is that if you're using God as a means to like grow your platform, which that's going to happen innately or whatever inevitably. But I think when your heart is only to use the gospel just to grow and get opportunities, that's where it gets a little icky and iffy in my opinion. And so if you're not constantly humbling yourself, checking your heart and not having any secret place with the Lord offline, I think that's an issue. And I think where Christian influencing has turned into a problem is that people are always thinking, okay, what can I share for the public? When I read my Bible, how is this going to translate to online? What views am I going to get from this?

If you're never having any quiet time where you're not posting it, you're not taking a picture, you're not sharing, you're not always thinking in your brain, this is for the audience, what can I share with them? What views is this going to get me? That's a very dangerous game. I love that because that is the best advice I think I've ever heard when it comes to even any type of content or any type of sharing anything in your life. That's actually been one thing that it's been like a hack that I've figured out in the past year is having a like a secret life offline. It's like friends that I hang out with that I don't post like moments that I have with my husband that I don't post like a whole another dynamic to my life that nobody knows about because they're like safe. and they're mine. And that's the time that I actually feel like I grow. I hear God. I have the

space to like, you know, actually challenge myself and change my thoughts. But I totally, I've been there where it's like you read something and you don't even take it for yourself because you just know it'll get likes if you share it. Exactly. Yeah. And to do that, like using God like scares me. Right. And I don't think, again, being a Christian influencer is not wrong because I have seen like, for example, Bryce Crawford. I don't know if you know what that is. He's like a young blonde guy. He goes and creatures the gospel like i think he's amazing and i genuinely believe that he's sincere but then again you can see those people that are like if you don't follow me god's gonna judge you and i'm like okay pull that up in the bible where does it say you know like those clickbaity titles you will say that

not necessarily but it's like um kind of be like funny yeah like i've seen like um there's been some like clickbait ones or like if you hit hit hit like to get extra blessings today oh gosh stuff like that and i'm like okay pharise you know what i mean so i don't think Christian influence thing is wrong, but it has to start with your heart. And the Bible says, let love be sincere. So like anything you do has to be sincere. And if it's not, pull away, take a break. Like, it's actually why I stopped posting as much Christian content. Because I felt like it became, it could be shifting into performative or trying to reach an algorithm or I got to post a video just to get a video up versus sharing when it was authentic and genuine and when the Lord

place something on my heart, which is what I do now. And so I actually kind of leveled out and went back to more lifestyle and sharing when it feels sincere and genuine and keeping more the faith-based topics centered on my podcast. I love that you did that. And I think it's nice, like to have, since you also share other topics, like you can talk about like a recipe or mom something or. And even like I think about like pastors, like they're, they're up on stage, like teaching once a week, not every single day. Like when would they have the time to fill themselves up, you know? Exactly. So I think that's great advice. What was I going to say oh is Bryce the one that went to that like um satanic temple um yeah i think he's yeah i think he did

he goes to a lot of things i just watched his video today where he went to skid row and prayed for people i thought that was so far that's pretty cool he inspires me a lot i'm like i want to go do that yeah i love it and i really like the part about it's like really starts with your heart the hard thing about that is we're kind of in this culture where everybody wants to call you out and the thing is, you can't call someone out for what's going on in their heart. Like, do you know what I mean? That's between you and God. And so people can try to like say you're not doing it. And only you know, only you know if like you're posting and like coming from a good place. Yeah. Which, um, yeah, that's kind of scary too because people can't even sometimes hold you accountable. Sometimes, well,

sometimes they can. I mean, you know, people do have discernment. And sometimes you can look at someone's content and you can be like, yeah, I don't know about that. Something's off. Yeah. I mean, I've seen people online where I'm like, you are definitely just trying to get your followers. You're struggling. Yeah. Or like there's these dudes on TikTok with thirst traps and they're in a, they're like shirtless in the mirror and they're like, Jesus loves you. And I'm like, okay.

Put a shirt on. I'm like, what's I at TikTok are you on? No, you know who Josh Benson is? Josh Benson, you probably do. He's so funny. He roast people like this. You got to go look them up. Oh, yeah, yeah.

He's so funny on TikTok. He'll do like Christian cringe of the week. And it's so funny, which I know I shouldn't be laughing about it. But sometimes it's, it can be laughable. You got to laugh at ourselves. You got to just be like, it is silly sometimes. Okay, I think that was all such good advice. I really like that. How do you feel about Christians holding other Christians accountable? For example, they have a couple of those accounts, preachers with sneakers, like, you know, some of those.

What are your thoughts on some of those? I think it's a, again, it can be dangerous because you don't really know the person personally. Like, obviously biblically in Matthew 18, it tells us to go to the person directly. and have a one-on-one conversation and say, hey, you know, I think you're out of line or maybe this is what the Bible says. And we're in a culture where we can't really do that. And so we're like, let's just make a video about it. And then the thing is, you're making money off that video too. And you're also profiting off of talking bad about someone. And so I've never really tried to go that route. Like, I'll talk about pop culture and, like, talk about scandals maybe

that have gone on. But it can be dangerous when you're only going online and you're only saying it on the camera and everyone's watching it and you never go directly to the person. But what's hard is sometimes you can't reach the person. So I think what you can do is do it in a tastefully, carefully way of saying, here's some scripture. Like, I've seen people call out Stephen Ferdick, for example, but they'll say, hey, this is what the Bible says and then this is what he said. And they'll do it in a way where it's not like he's the worst. He's a false prophet. Some people do. But I think we're allowed to critique and give feedback. But I think if you're only ever doing that and you're just trying to constantly get clicks and likes and views off of that,

I think that's where you have to personally check your heart too because what you do to someone could be easily come back to you like you reput yourself. Oh, this podcast is already so good. So if you invite that, you're going to get it back to you. I'm just saying like so be careful. I love that. I think that is so good. And I like the fact that it's like, hey, it's not that you can't say anything, but there is a tasteful way to say like, hey, like I bet he has like the best intentions. I know like here's like the good things about him. He's been amazing in these ways. But when he said this, I don't necessarily agree with it. That doesn't mean I don't like, you know, because people are just, okay, so it's like you say one thing wrong.

And then people want to label you as now because you'd messed up in this one little way, you're wrong altogether. Yeah, you're a complete false prophet. And it's like maybe he just took, accidentally took one script out of context and he didn't mean to. I think that we have to also not have an overly critical spirit too because people can be that way. Oh, so true. So true. I mean, so freaking true. I'm just telling you.

My heart is like, yeah. You know who Ruslan is? I think Ruslan does a pretty good job at that. I don't think I know Ruslan. He's like a Christian YouTuber and I think it's good. I think also why I do sometimes appreciate it is you might be young in your faith and you're watching a pastor and you're like, man, this is great. Like prosperity gospel. Yeah.

And it's not biblical. So there's people that are like, hey, let's be careful and warn young people that are new in their faith that don't know how to decipher and determine what's true and not. I think that's where it can be beneficial, but it has to be done in a right way. Oh, so good. Okay, I love it. Lerve. So my hype woman over here. No, I just like, I love it.

Okay, so when something does, when something tragic happens to the world or something big, a big moment, there's an election, there's a big, whatever going on the Super Bowl, I don't know. You know, someone gets canceled. Right. Does your audience come to you expecting you to speak on everything? Yes. What do you do? Because I mean, I'm like, I'm like, same. I'm like, I'm asking for a friend.

yeah it's honestly hard because i'm not a news channel i'm not you know uh i'm not a journalist i'm not a politician like i'm a podcaster i'm a christian but it is hard because i think if you speak on one thing then they're like okay well then what about these 10 other things why don't you speak about that and i'm like wait whoa like i didn't know suddenly i was a news anchor having to give the news to everybody to talk about all these different topics i understand it and there are some things where for sure you should speak about it you should stand up for. But it's hard because it's kind of like that little book. What is it like if you give a mouse a cookie? Oh yeah. I just read it. Yeah. Like you give him a cookie. They're like, well, I want all the

cookies. I want the whole batch. And you're like, okay, I just wanted one cookie. And then all of a sudden, they're wanting everything. And so I do believe there are some things you should speak out against and speak up for and stand up for. But it's hard because I don't know. It's like I don't believe that influencers should have to speak their beliefs on every single opinion. I just don't. It's like, I don't know where that started to where influencers are being demanded to have to speak on every single topic that goes on in the world. And here's the thing, there's always something going on in the world. Always. Every single day. If you look at it, we could be reposting and posting things every single day. And so it's like, where's the line of what we talk on and don't talk on

and how frequently post about it and don't post about it? It just gets really messy. So I feel like when you go down that road, it's like it's just never ending, you know? My theory is that people usually come after influencers because they're like they're angry and we're the closest ones that they can attack. Yeah. And they want something and they want to and that's just like their first go to. Right. And there's like and then there's other levels but we're the first line of attack. And so, um, but I agree with you. And it really is hard. How do you discern what you do share and what you don't speak on? I think typically politics is not something I personally like to dive into. I think if it's faith related 100%, I will do that, or if I think there's something like blatantly

wrong, yes, I should speak up about it. There's some things I should have spoken up about and I didn't. But, and I kind of, you know, maybe regret that. But I think typically I err on the side of what's biblical versus necessarily dealing with the political side, election side. That's just not really my sphere. Yeah, I mean, I respect that. And a lot, you know, it's hard to go outside your sphere because then you still have to be like a wife and a mom when you get offline. And sometimes like the criticisms that you're going to get for going like a little off you know what you're nor it's it takes away from like where you actually need to be oh and you know it's so hard and maybe you feel this way too but like do you ever post it and then once you post it you just get

instant anxiety oh like yeah i'm like i throw the phone across her i'm like what are they say you know i delete stuff all the time yeah i'll post it for five minutes just to see what people say sometimes i just want to piss people off though you get one dm you're like oh literally it's so true and I always like and sometimes I know that I'm going to delete it I just want to post it for it why see I don't to me if I'm going to post it I'm going to say with my chest and I'm going to leave it up but then I'm still

scared oh no see I'm like everyone saw it so I might as well just leave it up now you know totally so where do you feel like Christian influencers we kind of already talked about this so we can maybe cut this question but where do you feel like Christian influencers go wrong

um okay I think we're I think where it kind of gets a little weird is I almost feel like, okay, this might be a hot tag and people are going to come from me. I almost feel like people feel like if you are a Christian influencer, you can't have any interest outside of that. Oh, okay. Because for example, you know, like I said, I posted about like, I do like an Amazon hall and someone's like, if you're a Christian, why are you promoting Amazon? I'm like, so am I not allowed to like clothes because I'm a Christian like I gotta wear something. I got to get dress every day. You know, so I've seen

people kind of like almost roast Christians for posting like a makeup link or whatever. And I think if you, yes, your face should be your whole identity, but I don't feel like it needs to override all your interest because you're still a human being. God, why are you for things that you still like and things that you are interested in and hobbies and skills and talents? And so I think it can be very dangerous when you are sitting there and you're looking at your content and you're only thinking what's going to hit the algorithm, what's going to do popular. You're not thinking anything that's genuine or authentic or that God spoke to you and you are only, because here's the truth, you can't have a word from God every single day on your feed. Like you can't

every single day, God spoke to me this, God revealed this to me. God, God has a word for you. Like, I just don't think that's reality. I haven't seen that in my life personally. And there would be times I remember when I was early in Christian influencing and it felt good to get that affirmation. It felt good to get those comments. I would sit there and I would look at my bottom like, what can I post today. And that just feels icky to me. I feel like it feels icky. And so I think again, the secret place getting offline, Sabbath, not only posting Christian content, because I just don't feel like every single day you have like a word from God. And if you do, that's awesome. I wish I had that, but I don't. So I think just being very careful, again, of that secret place checking your heart. And it sounds weird

to say not make it your whole identity because your face should be your whole identity. But I feel like when it's your entire page, I just feel like that can't be fully genuine. But your social media page is not your identity. Right. You know, and people think that it is. Right. And that's where people are like, okay, these squares that I'm seeing, I'm going to judge your entire character and your identity by this and that's just not how it's done.

Yeah. There's no way to know someone fully by their social media. No, for sure. You can't. And so, and people are dumb and they think that it's so frustrating. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That wasn't very Christian-like.

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We were going to churches. I know you grew up here in Dallas and then had some new ones in Austin, back to Dallas, now in Oklahoma. L.A. Oh, yeah, L.A. Oh, I bet those were just totally different cultures. Like, so crazy. I guess when you, what do you look for in a church? Such a good question.

And I actually just talked about this recently on my podcast. So I'm prepared for this question. Ooh, I love it. I think there's like, I think there's five or six things that I look for. And I'm not necessarily saying that mine is right, but these are what I personally look for. Now, I do think you're allowed to have a little bit of preference, but I don't think your preference should override what's biblical. Because I think that's what the problem is if people go in there and they're like,

these fog machines are too foggy, the lights are too bright or the music sucks or whatever. Like you're going in there, like, thinking that everything has to be catered to you and you're going there being like me, me, me, like, how does this serve me? I do think you're allowed to have some preferences, but I also think you should look number one for me personally, do they teach the Bible? Like, if I go to a church and they pull one scripture and then the rest is just a motivational sermon or a podcast essentially, I'm like, I don't know about that. You should be going to church to like obviously learn and know God more, no scripture more. What does that mean?

Like I want to be shepherded. I want to be taught. That's what a pastor I think is supposed to do. So is it biblical? Two, do they call out sin? Do they talk about sin? Did they talk about hell? Do they talk about the depravity of who we are?

Because I think a lot of churches are just like, you're amazing and God is called you and you have gifts inside of you. And I'm like, that is true. But you also have to talk about we are innately sinners. We are born into sin. We need a savior. That's why we need Jesus. We can't do this all on our own.

And so you should leave that church different than the way you came. If you keep going and they're accepting your sin and they're like, everything's fine and you're amazing and God made you perfect. I'm like, but we're not that way. Like I want to be convicted. I want to be called out on my crap. And I want to leave different. And so I think talking about sin and hell is very important because it's real.

And I think if we shy away from those, we're doing the congregation of disservice. Personally for me, I like a little bit of charismatic churches. Oh, let's get it. I'm like, I want to see some demons coming out every now and then. Get those knees. It's a little scary. I'm not going to lie. But, I mean, that happened in the Bible.

So why is that not happening in churches? And I think that's where people are scared of it. And I get it. It can be freaky. But it doesn't have to be weird. It can still be orderly. So I personally like a church that invites the Holy Spirit, gives to the Spirit. We see healings.

We see demons being casted out here and there. Not necessarily maybe in the main congregation, but that there's resources where if someone really needs that deep healing, that they know they can get it. Speaking of resources, having resources where if you have questions, if you're like, I have a need, I'm struggling, I have a sin, my marriage is falling apart, I'm doubting my faith, I don't know what to do about this problem in my life, that they can go somewhere and get those questions asked,

that there's a resource or a team or somebody that they're accessible to be able to go and find the healing that they're looking for. I get the questions answered that they need answered. I think that's super important because otherwise, you have a lot of people going into a church and they're just like wandering around like I don't know what to do with these problems I have or like and there's no healing I think that's what the church is for is to help heal people um I also like a little bit more charismatic spirit-filled worship like you know you've ever been to a church which just feel so

stale someone's up there and they're just strumming the guitar and you're like okay and some people some people like that and they like it's them going I'm like hey that's what's saying that's where you can have some preference for me like I personally like to be bawling my eyes out like I want to leave their masqueras on my face. Yeah. Not every time. But I think leaving room for the spirit to linger because sometimes you can go to a church and it's super rigid.

It's like three songs. Okay, announcements, tie then get out. And there's no movement. Like there's no room for just leaving the Holy Spirit to talk to you, to have personal conviction. Like I personally love when they just let the spirit move and worship is just slow. Like, I don't know. I feel like you can also tell when they're on stage singing just about God versus

singing to God. And that to me is a huge distinction. I feel like you can just sense that in the spirit. And then I think money. I think being transparent with finances, where is the money going that we are tithing? Are you helping outside resources? Are you donating to charities? Are you helping people in our city that need helping? Are you helping to emissions? Like, where is the money going? Does your pastor drive a Lamborghini? Is he flying a private jet? Does he have a seven-bedroom house? To me, that feels a little yucky. So it's like, where's the money really going? I think that's super important to have transparency. Have you ever seen churches post about their finances online or actually share where the finances are going? Not necessarily like where you see, you know,

they're like taxes, but I like it when they know, for example, like Shoreline Church did a great job at this. Like, hey, when you donate, we're giving to Guatemala. They have a church in Guatemala, which I think is amazing. And we know the finances are going to Guatemala. We know that the finances are going to the missions and they're serving people there. So I like it when they tell us, this is where your money is gone too recently. It helped a family. It helped, you. know, fires in California or whatever, like stuff like that. I like when they share that at least. Yeah, because I recently found this guy named Nathan Atful. He runs the religion business. Have you ever heard of him? So his whole thing is he's been trying to, he goes into like mega churches and he's kind of trying to like, I don't know, reform churches.

Some would say exposed, but, you know, reform exposed. Whatever you want to define it. Anyway, I was listening to a podcast and he was saying that the average church, out of every dollar only six cents ever actually leaves the outside walls. So because there's, you know, when you're running a, I wanted to ask you about this, but like churches are businesses. They're corporations. They're taking in money. They're sending money out. Like what do you think about churches being run like a business? So I had to really think about this because, you know, I've never worked at a church. Like I'm not, I'm not in the behind the scenes of that. I think understandably a church.

has to have some, obviously some finances, like you're paying your team. You need to pay the pastor. You need to pay all the people that are working there. You've got to keep the lights on. Like when we're tithing, we're giving back to God's body because we want to have churches that are operating. They're healthy. But I also hope again that those finances are being stewarded well, that they're being outsourced to the community. But I think when it can get wrong is if you view it as a business, you're viewing it in numbers. So there might be viewing, okay, we're only successful if we fill every single seat here. We're only successful if people are giving us all their money.

Like, if you're viewing it as a game in some sense, like our social media needs to be crushing. We got to get 10,000 people in our building every single week. We got to have all, like, if you're viewing it like that, I think that's where it can be a dangerous game because then you're looking people, looking to people as just like a numbers game, not like a soul, not like a normal human being like, let me just speak to you and reach to you versus, oh, you're just a number. I need you to fill my seat.

So it makes me feel good. And I think that's where it can be dangerous. You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree with you. Because this is, I've been like really strongly with this. But don't you feel like when you have a church that has a certain number, say they have 100 employees, you know, they have these people on salary benefits, whatever. That means that they need to hit a certain number every Sunday for them to have money coming in. You're saying?

Right. Do you think that they think about that? Like, do you think that? I'm sure some do. Like, that they think, okay, we have to at least hit, you know, this. number. Otherwise, we're going to have to let that we can't pay rent or we can't pay employees or we have to get rid of the coffee shop here, you know? I understand that. And I think maybe, I don't know, maybe I'm simplifying this too much, but like, if you genuinely do believe that God

is your Jehovah Jira, which is your provider, then like, is he not the one backing your business up? Like, how much is it contingent upon you and your social media and the video you put out, the trendy thing? Like, those are great. I mean, marketing is not bad, but I think if your only goal is just to bring people in and then you don't disciple, you don't shepherd them, I think, that's an issue. So if you're only trying to get people in the seat so it makes you look good or the church look good or guys look at all the people we have, but people are not getting healed there. Marriages aren't getting better. Souls aren't being saved. They're not being disciples. Like that's where I think there's a shepherding issue. And I think that's where it can be a problem.

So it's not bad to want to grow your church, but that can't be your only focus. Like if you have people there that are naturally already being healed, they're going to go and tell other people. They're going to say, guys, Jesus changed my life at this church. They're going to bring people in and it'll naturally grow. Like, if you are really truly partnering with God, God's going to do the work he needs to do. You do, you partner. But, like, it's ultimately up to the Lord, you know? That's a thing. And that's why, like, this guy that's doing this, like, I respect his mission. And I, I, but it's also, like, sometimes I feel like it's, like, not measurable. It's like the heart behind it. And how do you measure that? And you want to put labels on people and you want to put percentages on things.

but it's like how to I mean you have discernment like you said yeah but a lot of times I think people do have discernment and they just grow and have a really big church right and then it just grows you know and now they're successful at it and people just want to hate on it's in it's any industry now you have 2 million 2.7 million followers now you've made enough success where I can judge you and I can you know when you're like actually trying to do it in the right way yeah um so I don't know thanks for going into that because that's something I've been like thinking a lot about and just trying to remember that like we are the church like it doesn't it's not necessarily like the building and the donuts and the yeah you know it's like we are the church the body is the church yeah and I think too like for

anyone that has church heard or is you know struggling with church again I think try to remember that the church is just a building like you said there's no perfect church because a lot of people hop around looking looking looking like this didn't serve me it didn't like that didn't like that like that like you, if you look for a problem, you will find it. And every single church has its flaws because we are flawed human beings and we are working in the church and you're going to find a flaw. And so I think try not to go in a church with an overly critical spirit because like I said, you can go there and you can be like, nope, not this fog machine.

I think just be very careful and stay long enough to like try to understand the heart. If you have questions like ask them, like your pastor or whoever works there should be able to answer your questions. If they're not able to be questioned or not able to take accountability, I think that's also where a church might be a little unhealthy. That's good. That's good. What are your thoughts on tithing? Do you tide 10% or just give out the generosity of your heart? So you kind of talk about this earlier, though, how tithing is actually more in the Old Testament. And when the New Testament came, it talks about just giving out of the cheerfulness of your heart and the abundance of your heart. And that's kind of where I'm at. I'm at. I still do believe you should tithe. I do believe you should. should give generously. Sometimes I think you should, if you have the means and if God is laid it on your heart, give above the 10%. But I think God really does look at the heart because I think the problem

with the 10% is it can just automatically be taking from your account. You don't think about it. There's no heart behind it. There's no, you're just like, oh, whatever 10% is taken. And you're not really thinking, God, who can I bless this week or who needs maybe this 10%. So I do believe you should tithe because you're also going to the church and you're benefiting from it as well and you want to keep the lights on. But I don't think that it's biblical now in the New Testament to tie 10% because that was Old Testament. So I think it got to get more focused on the heart. And I think everything more New Testament was the heart because the heart is deceitful. And so let's check our hearts. But people might roast me in the comments down below. I don't know. Check your heart,

people. Yeah. No, I mean, it's great. Like I kind of, I agree with you. I do feel like the story, like the Mosaic law where they're like give 10% technically I think if you add up all of the tithes that God like was saying to the Israelites it like ended up being like almost over 30% yeah I heard that actually too yeah so it's like but I kind of like the it's like if you don't know and you have no idea where to begin start with that yeah start with that and it's not because it's like you have to and you're not going to be blessed if you don't but at least it's like a little because I'm like I don't know it wouldn't but also in some senses the 10% is good because for some people that might be very uncomfortable. But they've never tied 10% at all. So I think it's also a good way to also check

your heart. Can I give 10%? Because sometimes you want to give one and God's like, I'm asking you to do 10. And you're like, oh, no, that's uncomfortable. But I think it's a good way, again, to look at your heart and be like, even if I don't have that, will I still give? Or will I still be willing to just trust God with the finances because it's his first anyway? Yeah, yeah. That's a good way to look at it. Um, what are your thoughts of meat loving Taylor says so much? Oh, man. Honestly, I'm not a huge Swifty. I know you're not. As you know. None of my friends are. I've never been a huge Swifty. Let me tell you. It is so annoying because the new album came out today.

Oh, did it? You haven't heard anything. See, I really couldn't care less. Literally, like, where have you been? I live under a rock of Taylor Swift. I really don't care. Well, I'm like so annoyed because I, like, none of my friends are Swifties except for Allison. Oh, yeah, that's true. She's the only person I could text. And so I'm having to text my team. And I'm like, I feel like such a loser because I'm like, hey guys, I know you all are on vacation, but can we please talk about this? So anyway, but yeah, her new album came out. It was actually really good. But yeah, so tell me what your thoughts are.

Well, can I ask you? Why do you like her so much? Yeah. Okay. So, you know, I've always really loved her music, number one. Like since high school. Yeah. You know, and I mean, you kind of looked like her in high school, the curly hair.

I did not look like her. I wish. A little curly hair. Okay, whatever. We both like curly hair. But there were so many, I was big into track across country at the time. And there were so many, you know, whether you were dealing with like mean girls or whatever. There were so many, like, bobs and like anthems that you're like, shake it off, shake it off or whatever.

And, you know, you're running outside and you're like, and then she has a lot of, like, love songs. And I had just gotten like my first boyfriend. So it's like very nostalgic. And then I think what really. liked her at those times like i've always been a fan of the music but then i think what really got me like to be like uh like a fan fan was when she got like majorly canceled because i got canceled that year too yeah we're gonna talk about that on my podcast oh great great i got canceled that year too and i remember like not wanting to leave my house i was like so embarrassed of whatever and i would turn on

uh reputation was the album at the time and she had these songs of like look like you made me do or she had these songs of like you know it was like basically how she was going to like continue pursuing what she loved even though people hated her yeah or people didn't like her and i feel like a lot of like christians feel that way sometimes like you're persecuted and you're just like i can't care what people think and like i just got to keep on keep on keep on keep on people i have never worshipped taylor swift in fact i pray for her because i don't think that she's a believer. Like I don't, I wouldn't assume that either. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, no, I don't think that she's a believer. I've never, I think she maybe was at one point. I don't really know. But yeah, I assume that she's not.

So like what I look at her, when I look at her, I look at it as like a pie and there's like these parts of her that I really appreciate. Like I love her persistence. I love her business savvy. I love how she doesn't care what people think. I love how she's so creative and so thoughtful about everything. that she puts in to like everything she does it's just like so unique and I think that's so cool um and then yeah and I really like you know like sometimes you hear a Drake song and you're like I love that song but like I don't even know what they're saying yeah but but if you listen closely you know Drake is saying well yeah yeah yeah and sometimes there's songs like that for me where it's just like you know you're just bopping to the beat you're popping but honestly I can't think of a lot of songs

that are like that bad like yeah of hers that I like that I like that I love that I love that I listen to her that I like. A lot of them are like love or she just came out with one today about it's called canceled. So of course I was like I have to listen to that one first. Relatable. Relatable. And she sings about how she's like so like she likes that her friends have been can't like she's friends now with someone that has been canceled because now they understand each other. And she wants to be friends with them even though they've been canceled.

and like because now they can be like vulnerable together whatever and that's to me like I was like same like I want to be friends with all my friends that were canceled and she's basically singing about like how you find out how you're who your true friends are once you're canceled because like you know I had when I was canceled quote quote I had friends that were like don't know or never seen her before that's crazy well you know and then so stuff like that that just goes on in life that's so relatable and to have like Taylor be able to sing it and like put my thoughts into words it just feels so good to feel understood. Do you feel seen by Taylor Swift? I feel seen yeah like I especially when it came to the reputation album I was like yeah like you know I can do it too now I don't agree with all her values I don't agree with all of her I agree with some of her morals like I feel like she has always put family first you know things like that but you know she's not someone that I like in those areas I try to be like her but not like to the point where I'm like worshipping her like I respect it like I'm like, oh, like if you can do it, I can do it too. Like, you know? Yeah, I feel like I, I respect the same things that you do. I've just never, I don't know, her music just doesn't speak to me. I don't know

what it is. Can't get it ever since high school. Okay, so my best friend I'm staying with right now was the biggest Swifty. Every time she put on her album, I was like, oh my, I like could not handle it. So, rolled my eyes, plugged my ears. I don't know. She just, I've just never gotten the hype. I don't know why. They're going to come from me. And I almost got canceled myself because I went to her concert. You did. And because Tart sent a bunch of influencers. And I was like, oh, this will be fun.

I never seen her live. Oh, no. No, no. I saw her with you. I'm like, oh, wait, I invited you probably. What was that champagne thingy we did in college? Didn't I take you? Yes.

Oh my gosh. That was the first time I saw her. Our whole friendship revolves around Taylor Swift. Oh my gosh. We became friends with Taylor Swift. So we had been like DMing and. Was it like Shandon or Shand something? Yeah.

So Janine was doing a brand deal or a giveaway with the shandon champagne. Yeah. And she had like a giveaway. I think I had extra tickets or something. No, you were giving away tickets and I entered your giveaway and I won. Let's go. I've entered Janine's giveaway and I won to go see Taylor Swift at Circuit of the Americas. Fun fact, that year was the, that was the only performance she did that entire year. Wow, lucky us. I was like pretty stoked and like I never like entered giveaways but that was the only one. That is so funny. Yeah. So I went to that concert and I remember being like, okay, Give the girl props.

Incredible performer. She can sing, like, great lyric. Like, lyrical, is that the right word? I don't know. She's great at making lyrics. I respect all of that. But, like, do you, when you go to her concerts, do you get any juju vibes? Demonic vibes?

Because when I was at the Tart one, I was watching some of it. And I was like, something feels a little off in my spirit. Like, it made me feel a little weird. Probably the Willow album when she's, like, holding up the orange ball. Yeah. There was like a snake on the stage. That was her maybe. You don't know about the snake?

See, I don't follow. Dude, the snake is because the snake is, see if you're like a, like, go deep. You know. That's why I got roasted because I was like, guys, there was a snake and they're like, you clearly don't know Taylor Swift. Okay, so this, when she got canceled, it was from the Kanye West call. Did you ever hear about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And what happened was Kim Kardashian posted the video of Taylor Swift calling her a snake. So Kim was like, you're a snake and then posted the video where, she was, so she was called a snake. And so then she was like, okay, you're going to call me a snake now. Like, you know. Okay, I get that. Yeah. I am not like necessarily saying like she's demonic. Because there's some people are like, she's in the Illuminati. And I'm like, okay, relax. We don't know. I don't really, it doesn't really bother me. I think, again, the only thing that scares me, though, is I see a younger generation just obsessed with her. Like worship her, dress like her, do everything like her. And I think, too, like I've even seen J.P. talk about this where a lot of relationships in today's culture are so messy

because we're looking at models like Taylor Swift for our relationship goals. And not necessarily trying to roast her because I don't know all her ends and outs of a relationship, but if we look at Hollywood as our standard of relationships, like, no wonder why our relationships are so messy. And so I see JP talk about this a lot where he's like, girls are like, you know, he dumped me or he used me

or why I'm relationships not working out? And he's like, well, you listen to Taylor Swift. Look what you're being fed every single day. I see that. And so that's where I think Christians can seem a little legalistic. But at the same time, like, you know, subliminally, there's messages being put out in music. And so we have to be mindful of that, I think, at least. Okay, I get that, especially when it comes to dating.

Luckily, I'm married. Thank God. Same girl. Dating would be really hard right now. I'm like, oh. I cannot imagine. That sounds horrible. Anyway, I don't hate that you listen to her.

It's just it's not a personal preference for me. So I could. Still love you. I still love you too. It's okay. A lot of my friends. are at 50s. But I still honestly, I respect her talent. Like when I did go to her concert, I was like, oh, I get it. Like she's incredibly talented. I can get that. And I, yeah, and I understand how if you're

not a Christian, maybe she is letting in some of those like, not inspirations, but influences that aren't godly. It's just, that's what happens when you're not, you know, you're not pursuing what do you expect? What do you expect? It's just going to be different. Yeah. So let's see. Have you ever doubted your faith and like how often does that happen? Is this also asking for a friend? And I'm like, oh my, I'm like, so as to be right? So, um, like, how often does that happen? And what does that season or that minute or that hour look like? Personally, I've never doubted my faith. I've had questions, but I've never outright been like, this isn't for me. Okay, I don't have questions. Like, there's still one that lingers. But I'm kind of scared to say because I don't want to make other

people have the same question. No, but it's like an intrusive thought that I think about a lot. Can you say it and then I can cut, we can cut it if it's bad. Yeah, because it really, it's sometimes keeping you up at night where I'm like, God, why are we doing this? Wait, I think this is healthy. But we can cut it if it's not. Yeah, we'll cut it if it's not.

Okay, so obviously I've never died of my faith. I will always be a Christian until the day I die. I'm so thankful for the Lord of my life. And I grew up in a Christian home. So I've had moments where, of course, I like, stepped away from my faith, but I've never outright had like an identity crisis in my faith. But one thing that, bothers me a lot.

Sometimes I'm like, and I literally sat down and asked my parents this. I was like, explain this to me and they didn't even really have a question or an answer to it. Isn't that the worst when your parents don't know? Yeah. I'm like, dad, you're supposed to know everything. What the heck? I feel like we're kind of in a weird simulation with God.

We're like, you know when we played the Sims and like we're like controlling. Dinah, don't bring up Sims around me. I love the Sims. No, no. I know because I've seen your videos. Well, that's why I started YouTube. So anyway, go ahead. We'll get there another time.

Yeah. But I'm like, okay. if God could come back and he could correct everything and we didn't have to go through all the suffering we didn't have to go through choosing him and we didn't have to go through this crazy thing called life if God could correct everything and he could make everything right and everything could be no pain no suffering no death like he could do it why why make us have to choose it why make us have to go through this life and have to go through all this suffering and pain and things when he could just be like you know what we're not doing this anymore let's just have peace on earth let's

Everyone be in bliss and no cancer and no death. And like, I know God wants us to, he wants to give us free will and he wants us to choose us. But I'm like, couldn't you just have us go back to like the Garden of Eden and not have to do this whole like weird game that we're in? It feels sometimes like a game where it's like, if you don't choose me, sorry, you're out. You know, good luck in hell. And that's where I struggle with that, you know? And it's a weird thing to admit because I'm a Christian. I preach the gospel and I'm like, guys, choose God.

but for the people that don't it's like dang like yeah like why even why not why can't we just all be in heaven exactly and like all just worship why can't we just be in like the garden of eden like go back to that where it's like blissful and i know as human beings like we're going to sin again eventually so like it's just going to keep repeating but it feels a little bit like a game where god's like are you going to choose me and if you don't sorry i've thought about that too yeah i think the thing that i've always come back to which isn't even an answer for it but is that I think it's almost like a gift. Well, I see what my dad was saying is like, you want to, you're not going to, you want to love God and choose him because you love him.

You want to, you don't want it to be forced upon you. Like, you have to choose me. But God also has the power to not even make us be aware of that. Like, we could just be worshipping him and love him and be like, this is great. Like, I'm in paradise. But I guess God wants to give us the ability to have critical thinking and choose him out of our own. desire, not because it's forced upon us. But again, there's this part of me that's like, but we could just be all. You could just make us brainwashed and all. You know what I mean?

Like we could just like not have Satan. Like you can just. And sometimes when I'm explaining the gospel to someone and I'm trying to lead someone to Jesus, it feels like I'm forcing that upon them of like, hey, if you don't choose this, man, good luck. Like, yeah. And that's kind of the harsh reality is like, hey, if you don't, you're not going to end up in a great place. You know, and I don't want that for anybody. I don't want anyone to perish and God doesn't want anyone to perish, but I still wrestle with that a lot because it's like, how do you explain that to a non-believer who's like, oh, I'm in a game right now. This is ridiculous. I'm not doing this, you know? Right, right. That's kind of similar. You shared your intrusive thought or whatever. That's kind

of similar to mine in some regard because my, this thought probably comes in my head like once a a week. Oh, no. But no, it's like, and it's just a thought. Like it's never, like, it's never ever caused me to doubt, like, not doubt or change my beliefs or step away from my faith. But my thought is like, what if it's just all not real? Oh, yeah. That one's common. You know, what's it? And it slips in there just for one, like, millisecond, sometimes 30 seconds is the longest.

If we're being honest. If we're being honest. And it's just like, but then you and I always go back to us like, even if it's not, at least I live my life, like, just like going full throttle for what I believed in. Yeah. And that's what they say. They say you either bank your whole. whole life on this as if you believe it's real and if it's not then it's not but like I want to live my

life as if it is completely real yeah yeah and I believe it is yeah so mine's kind of similar but I typically you know what always like gets me back on track like the thought of I don't know why this one always just really gets me when I think about how there's like I've grown human beings in my stomach like I'm really not very good at a lot of things but like I'm really good at that Like making babies, that's for sure. A fertile woman. And the fact that like it's happened to me who is someone that like was like I never want to have children and like I wanted to wait until it was 30 to get married.

I had so many aspirations that I just thought sound like I never liked kids. Like I'm going to be honest with you guys. I couldn't stand them. I can't wait to dissect this on my podcast. I could not stand children. I did not babysit when I was in high school. Everybody made money up. I was like I don't get it.

Like even babies. I was like, they're not that cute to me. And first of all, so like the transformation that I've had when it just comes to children, but then also the fact that like they grow in my stomach and like every single little thing happens, like has to happen perfectly or you don't have a life. And it's like, and it happens to all of us. Just to me, I'm like, there is no way that this is not God. I literally said that on my podcast, I'm like, this proves God's existence.

The amount of intricate detail that has needed to create a human being is. is insane. It's not by accident. There had to be a creator who wove every single little detail. It's amazing when you learn about it. Even when you think about like the world and like how it all functions like the plants and every degree has to be like we're only like two degrees off from like just all dying. Yeah, I heard about that too. That's crazy. Whatever. I made that number up. Something like that. Something like that. It was some scientific. But like that's wild to me that it all just works together. You're telling me that's just science. I don't believe it. I'm sorry. It's the big big, the big bank theory, didn't you know? Yeah, I know. I know exactly. I'm just like, there's just no way. And then, sorry, the other thing that really got me is, um, I was teaching stratton about octopuses. Just to, you know, it's octopuses, not octopi. You say octopuses. I know, I know it's a weird word. But so I was teaching him about octopuses. And we're going through, you know, and like, I love to, when I'm teaching them on TikTok so I can show them like real videos. And so I started looking at all these octopuses. You're going to get demonetized.

No, no. And like, Janine, these octopus are freaking nuts. I've never seen anything like it. And there's like 200 different types of octopus. And I'm telling you, you think that God did not make these octopus? Do you know that an octopus that is 10 feet can fit in a hole this big? That's insane. I know.

I'm telling you. It's just not. Who do you think comes up with these things? This is not science. I'm just saying if you are doubting God, go look up octopus on TikTok right now. But did you know there's still like a thousand different species that have not been discovered? Oh, yeah. And they still discover new ones every single day.

I'm like, you got it. There's a creator out there somewhere and he's having fun. He's having a good time. I'm going to draw this today. Yeah, great. throws it in the world. No. And octopus have nine brains.

Each arm has a brain. I feel like many of that. They have three hearts. Like that's. That's insane. Three different chambers. Anyway. Have you ever turned down a brand deal because it clashed with your values?

Or have you ever had a brand cancel your contract because their values crashed with yours? Yes. So the second question, I'm not exactly sure, but I can assume because there's been some times where I was about to work with a brand. This actually just happened recently. I was about to work with the brand. Some stuff happened in the world. And then suddenly they were like, actually, we don't think this is a good fit anymore. And I'm like, hmm, I wonder why.

And that's okay. I'm really not offended. I'm like, that's fine. Like, I want to work with brands that align with me and that genuinely believe in me. So that's okay. Or they don't have to align. They're just like open to like having conversation. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Or like knowing, hey, we can all have different opinions. And we can still work together in a business, you know, world. I think that's where that's, I'm like, okay, whatever. But, no, there's definitely been brands that have reached out. I mean, this is the weird one. I've had like, I don't even think I can say it because the brand name. Well, no, it's like, I've had like sex companies. I was rejected me.

Yeah. Like, what's it called that one website? They sell like laundry and sex toys. I'm like, in what world would I be promoting? Yeah. These objects. You know what I'm talking about? Those are like the mass emails that probably go out.

Yeah. But I'm like, you clearly did not look at my page. You didn't see that Jesus was in my bio. Yeah. I don't know T if you want to use it when you're married. But like, I'm not going to be like, hey guys. I was going to say, I was going to say you're married. I will say.

Like, here's my new. I'm going on that one. Thrash 4,000. I don't know. I just made that up. It feels like we're on caller daddy. I know. I'm sorry. That's really interesting.

Yeah, that's cool, though, that it doesn't bother you, though. We never brands cancel your contract or just decide to go another direction. But I know what you mean where sometimes they don't say. But like, we've decided to go another direction and I'm like, which direction? Yeah, yeah. Who? Yeah. But I mean, I've had like alcohol, you know, alcohol companies.

I don't promote alcohol, you know, obviously lingerie. just certain like events and stuff, concerts I've been asked to go to. I'm just like, not for me. I don't think I'll have that anymore. It's crazy when you do become a quote unquote, quote unquote Christian influencer. I mean, it changes everything, like what you promote, what you represent, what you wear. I mean, literally everything. Kind of looks you accountable. For sure. And it's good and bad. Yeah, it's good. There's some negative, but I think it's more good, you know. Have you ever posted something for likes but regretted it later? You kind of already answered that.

Yeah, I would say early Christian influencing days. I would probably do that a little bit. This is kind of deep, like a little, like, I don't even know if you went, but what's one sin or struggle you're most scared to talk about? Or is there something that you struggle with that you want to talk about publicly? Maybe it'll help somebody else or? I don't, okay, so here's the thing. My sins look very different than they used to look. Like when I was younger, I mean, I was party girl.

I struggled with a lot of different, you know, sexual things. But I feel like those are not, like my sins are so different now. I feel like, oddly enough, my struggle is fear of man. And I feel like you kind of relate to me a little about that because we were talking about that earlier. I get very scared about what people think, what they're going to say, how they're going to take this and run with it, how they're going to twist my words. And not that I tried to like always change the perception because sometimes I'm like,

whatever, like me or you don't. I don't care. but then sometimes I have like great days where I'm like I don't give a freak like whatever screw you and then some days I'm like rocking back and forth and I'm like love me pet me they hate me you know and so I think I know that sounds like kind of like a cop out but I if you ask Caleb like he would totally say it doesn't sound like a cop out at all because sometimes be like I just struggle with fear of man I'm perfect that's not it like it's like an actual I've always struggled with that ever since I'm sorry I don't think that I think I think a lot of people have that and

And, yeah, like, sometimes it is embarrassing to admit whenever you're like, I know my worth, like Jesus is. And then you're like, but I care so much about what you think. Like it's hard because you're trying. It's like, I don't want to care. And even now just saying that, it's like even just me putting that out there, immediately I'm already thinking, how are they going to take this? How are they going to proceed this? They're going to say, oh, she just wants to be like so badly.

She's so desperate for review. She just wants it. Like, that's how I immediately take it and twist it. So you're already going there. I'm already doing that right now. And I'm like, oh my gosh, how is this it going to be perceived? No, but it makes you so relatable. And it makes me want to trust you more because I don't think that if you're going to get

up on stage as a pastor or an influencer or whatever and say that you don't struggle with anything. I'm sorry. That'd be a lie. I don't trust you. I'm actually with a lot of things, but I definitely feel like that one eats me alive most frequently. I one time was listening to, this is a little too far, but like I was listening

to a pastor one time. He was like in his 40s and he was talking about how he was married, had kids and how he was he was like yeah this weekend I struggled because like the girls I was around were wearing short skirts and I struggled with that and it told the whole congregation I was like you know what embarrassing but like mad respects and like I I wish that church was more vulnerable like that like I wish that we could all come and feel more comfortable at least to like get with other men or get with other women and be like yeah I so I think that's what church is you know that's what community is for yeah and so I I have a lot of problems too

Girl staying. Yeah, you know. We all do. Yeah. It's just like just because you become, you try to follow Jesus doesn't mean that like all of that just goes away and that you're immune to struggles. Sometimes he gets worse, honestly. Yeah, that's true.

Spiritual warfare has been like a big topic of conversation for me this year. What are your experiences with spiritual warfare? Okay. I feel like, man, this is like a whole other podcast. I actually recently just did a video on spiritual warfare because I think in the midst of everything went on in the world, a lot of Christians can say, oh, this is spiritual warfare. And people hate that answer because, again, that also feels like a cop out where there's not accountability or it's not, you know, y'all, someone made a mistake.

Like, they did something wrong. This isn't just spiritual warfare. There has to be two things. I think sometimes spiritual warfare is out of your control. It's the things that are happening to you. Like, you get in a car accident. Maybe your mom gets sick. like things that you can't control.

I think a lot of times can be spiritual warfare. But then there's sometimes times where it's just, girl, you sin. Like you messed up. Like that was all on you. Like, let's be honest. And I think that's where a lot of people are like, it's spiritual warfare. And I'm like, no, that was you. So I think that's where we have to be careful.

Or it's that you set yourself up for that. That too. It's like you went to a club and then you got robbed. And it's like spiritual warfare. And it's like, no, honey, you went to the club. Yeah. Exactly. Those are things I'm talking about where I'm like, that was on you actually. But I do feel like there is a lot of spiritual warfare. And I don't know, I think specifically when you do become more bold about your faith, you feel it a lot more because you?

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the enemy wants to silence you. He does not want you to be bold. He doesn't want you to share this. He doesn't want you to set other people free. And so if the enemy, the enemy can use fear of man for me as spiritual warfare to shut me up, to silence me, to make me scared of what people think for me just to be like, you know what? I'm just going to be sheepish and not share my beliefs. This is just for me only. He wants you to be silent because if you think also about a snake, a snake wraps around something and suffocates it and silences and chokes it. And that's what the enemy does a lot to people because when you cave into that, it'll make you retract and be like, I'm not doing this anymore. And then people need you to be bold.

People need you to share that. And so I think spiritual warfare can come in many different forms, but I do believe the enemy is very real. Demons are real. A lot of people are engaged. in things that they don't want to admit. But here's the thing is it doesn't have to be scary. I think here's the thing is a lot of people are so scared of it, but you don't have to be scared

because you have the power of Jesus' name to bind and break off anything. No, I'm saying, but the stuff that they are putting themselves, like that's, I started reasoning about the satanic temple and the satanic, they have like a, like a Bible, like the satanic Bible. And I just went, I was just curious, you know? And I started, it's a good thing to research. And I started researching it. And actually, they kind of disguised themselves as being.

really good. Like they're not evil. That's what Satan does, right? Yeah. And they're like, we just want everyone to be accepted and we just want everyone to be loved. And I was like, oh, this actually doesn't sound as bad. But then you look at the satanic temple and it's like, have you ever seen that they have, because he, Bryce went there, you know?

I don't think I saw that video. Oh, okay. Well, they have a, what do you call it? Not a sculpture. Is that what they call it? Like a shrine? No, it kind of a shrine sculpture of Satan and these two little kids looking up. up at him. And I was like, it's scary. Like, I don't even, I'm like, I don't even like the fact that you're in that house, you know? Oh, that makes me freaked out. Yeah, that stuff is freaking. But I do think that spiritual warfare is real. I think a lot of people have, you know, demons in their homes that they

don't even know about. There's a lot of things that they're engaging in. They're watching, listening, doing crystals. I mean, astrology can be a form of that. I mean, I know people are going to be like, that's so eaglistic. But trust me, like, don't mess with it. Even enigrams can go borderline to that too. Yeah, it's like anything that's not really from the Bible can be used by Satan. Absolutely. Right. Yeah. He comes in the form of an angel of light and so he appears to be good. It looks similar to God, but it's always missing the truth. Or there's a slight, a slight truth, but there's going to be, it's going to be twisted somehow and there's always counterfeit somewhere if you really get down to it. The last thing I'll say is I feel like that's how a lot of Christians are like kind of

abusing like love and acceptance right now. And, And it's like that's because Jesus was loving and accepting, then basically anything and everything goes. Yeah. The craziest of crazy things go. And I'm like, that feels like a form of Satan being like, I'm loving and accepting and everything, you know, because that's what Jesus would do. And it's like, but also God is like a just God.

And if you read scripture, the women at the well, like she, you know, she had multiple husbands. she was living with this man. She was sleeping with this man. She was having sex out of marriage. She had multiple husbands. She was lying. Whatever. Maybe I just twisted that a little bit.

But he tells her like, hey, I know who you are. I love you. He didn't say I love you, but I know Jesus would say I love you. But he also tells her like, hey, go and sin no more. Like he meets her where she's at. He talks to her. He engages with her. He calls her out on her sin.

And he's like, go and be free and sin no more. He doesn't just say, and you can just keep resuming whatever you want to do. Go shoddy. like he's like I love you but let's change that and it's a transformation it's a transformation yeah but it comes with an encounter with Jesus first I think that's where people get twisted is that they try to shove people to change but you can't the Holy Spirit has to be the one who does the work so true and you can't yeah you can't change on your own like that's Jesus has to transform you so that's why when we hold all these like politicians and all these people do like a higher standard

I'm like what do you expect exactly you know like it is it's just sin it's gonna happen wow this was so fire and I don't say that word like I am not like a fine I'm like not cool enough to be like that's fire but it was fire this was actually one of my most favorite podcasts I've done in a while good because like I've not been asked these questions in a very long time where it's so funny I literally came up with them in five minutes like I literally I showed Caleb this morning I was like oh shoot I was like I'm in the hot seat today well you know I usually prepare even for podcast that I do so I usually prepare for like hours and I didn't even prepare for this one because I was like I know exactly I love it. Well, thank you so much for coming. Tell people where they can find your podcast and

find you online. Yeah. So my podcast is happy and healthy. We post every Tuesday. It's a Christian podcast. But we also talk about many other different things there as well. And then my Instagram, Janine Amapola. So yeah, thanks so much. Thanks for having me. This was so fun. Yay. It was awesome. All right. Love you guys. We'll see you this week. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.