De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - Jordan Is NOT Cut Out For Life In The Spotlight

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

Happy Thursday De-Influencers! It's your EY entrepreneurs of the year speaking!! We are SO beyond grateful to have won this award and let me tell ya we were SHOCKED to say the least. We're recapping the entire night for you on today's episode. Jordan is sharing why he is not cut out for this spotlight life and Dani is sharing her pov on what really matters even with her glitz and glam of awards and being an influencer. Plus, our GenZ producer shares a little piece of her journey with faith. We scored some great deals with a few of our favorite brands for our listeners: For flavor that pops, De-Influenced chooses Simply Pop. Go to cokeurl.com/simplyPOP to find out where you can try it. Huggies Little Snugglers, now with blowout protection in every direction* *Sizes 1-2. Huggies. Huggies.com. Ready to help your kids grow money skills that will last a lifetime? Just head to acornsearly.com/thatsthepoint or download the Acorns Early app to get started. Sign up now and your first month is on us! Slide into game changing comfort with MeUndies. Support the show by going to MeUndies.com/DANI and use my code DANI to get 20% off your first order, plus free shipping. Go to MagneticMe.com today - new customers will get 15% off their first order!! Looking for a formula and want to try Bobbie? Bobbie has an exclusive offer just for De-Influenced listeners. First, visit www.hibobbie.com to find the recipe that fits your journey. Then, apply promo code DANI to get an additional 10% off on your first purchase. Make sure you’re subscribed to our official channel on YouTube, @deinfluencedpodcast, and follow us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your De-Influenced fix! Stay connected with us on Instagram and TikTok @deinfluencedpodcast, and as always thank you for being a part of this journey.  We'll see you next time! we love y'all!! D+J Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. D influence. Wow. Hi, winner. Winner, winner, chicken dinner. I had to wake Danny up from her nap to come to this pod. I usually do nap before this pod.

I know. I knew because it was quiet. It was kind of my time. Well, I woke up this morning and I did so many things. I know. you were going worked out. I was kidding, but yeah. Oh, I thought, I thought you did. Yeah, I worked out and then I filmed a video and then I picked up the kids from school and then I took a nap. Yeah, I, I am gassed. Yeah. I was gassed yesterday. No, it's been, it's been a hard weekend for us. It was a, I mean, an amazing good weekend. Yes, but it was like, I mean, staying out until midnight when you

were a parent of three kids is the equivalent of when you used to stay out to like 4 a.m. After the club shut down. And you take shots at the end of the night. Like that's what it felt like. Yes. Like, neither of us drink, but I woke up feeling incredibly hungover. Same. Like, I literally woke up and I was like, oh my gosh, what did I do wrong last night?

Yes. I feel that way. Do you know that? Oh, so much. And I also feel that way when I don't put sunscreen on and I wake up the next day and I'm summer. It's horrible feeling. Oh, that's.

You don't feel that when you wake up and with a sunburn? No, I don't even think about it. I'm like, oh my God, I have so much guilt. And I've got some damage. Yeah, you really do. Yeah, pretty bad. Well, why don't you tell the people what happened? Why were we out so late?

Well, we were nominated for EY, entrepreneur of the year. We haven't really talked about it that much. We posted like one reel. No, we talked about it last time. Oh, we didn't? We even talked about our maybe possible speech, remember? Got it. That's right.

That's right. That's right. So here's kind of what happened. It's actually a pretty funny story. So we've been going through this process. Expectations have been low. We're like, whatever happens happens. Yeah. But then on a whim, you know, my EY guy, Ivan. Which, well, sorry, can we back up a little bit? And can you explain like kind of what that process was like? Because I'm sure a lot of people are like, how did this even come to be? Kind of like the Forbes list. Like, how did this even happen? So EY is the most genius company for doing this because they basically have found a way to huddle up next to the top Fortune 1000 companies,

which I'm not saying that we are doing that, but there's like a large statistic that they said of like some crazy, like 60% plus of Fortune 1,000 companies have gone through EY's entrepreneur of the year. So they're very good at picking like the next up and coming companies. Okay. And the way they do it is they basically have an independent panel of sponsors. So the sponsor's job, and this is like different companies or like different executives, they're like, hey, I want to nominate Divi as like a company for EY Entrepreneur of the Year.

So they have kind of all these like feelers out there, which they call sponsors. And then they find sort of the new up and coming companies and they recommend you for EY Entrepreneur of the Year. And then you go through a pretty intense process. So did you apply? No, no, no, no, no. Okay. That's what I got to. Because I didn't apply either.

Because honestly, I didn't even know it was a thing. Do you want to know it's crazy? is I got this phone call in when it was our last OB appointment before we had summit. Oh my gosh. I remember that. That's how long ago this was. And you know what's so funny now that I'm remembering this too? We fought that day because you were mad that I took that phone call.

Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. You were upset. Because you said, yes, because I was like he doesn't care. Yeah. Yes. And you said, you go, this is what you said to me. You go, I just really wanted to come to the mall and have quality time.

And I said, hey, I totally. And you were on the phone the entire time. And I said, I totally hear you, but like I really feel like I should have taken this phone call. No, I'm still mad at you for that, though. Even after all this? Yeah, because it's like you could have just scheduled it out better. That's fair. Okay.

That's fair. But anyway, so I get this phone call and he's like, hey, listen, I found you guys. I read this article. I know you're a local Dallas company. No, it wasn't Ivan. It was one of the sponsors. His name was Dave. And, shout out.

Shout out Dave. And he was like, hey, listen, you know, I really want to recommend you guys. Like, I've heard a lot about you guys. I talk to your private equity group. You know, I think this would be really good for you. And he was like, where are you at in life? And I was like, well, right now I'm walking out of an OB appointment for our third. And he was like, hey, actually, he was like, it's a lot of work.

So I don't know if you want to do this right now. And I was like, no, no, no, no. I was like, we got a full clip. I was totally happy. She's not mad at me right now. Like, it's all good. I was like, we've got a full clip of capacity. I was like, trust me.

We grew up on the internet. Like, we know what it's like to run at a really fast pace. So he pushed me forward. And then we went through a series of interviews. They came to Dibby's office. We had like a video interview. Yeah, it was a part of all of that. Yeah.

Wait, so do we owe like a big thanks to Dave? Because I don't know who this Dave is. And do you know him? Like, should we? I haven't talked to Dave since he first recommended us because then I got passed over to EY and our contact became Ivan. Oh, I feel like I should have been. my speech, like, thanked this mysterious Dave.

Yeah. So Dave, his name is Dave Cochran. Thank you, Dave Cochran. I think he's retired now. And he likes to do this for fun, like find cool companies. Well, it's cool, too, is that he found us through an article, which is also comforting to know that PR is important. Yeah, no, for real.

Because so much of, like, what we do is always through the internet. And, like, whenever we do PR stuff, we're like, does this really matter. But it's cool to know that it actually does. So we weren't going to invite anyone to, the EY ceremony of the gala. We probably would have invited like our parents. Like our parents. But, you know, I got this text from Ivan.

And Ivan was like, like, he kind of was just like, hey, I'm excited for Saturday. Like, hey, like, you know, all roads lead to Palm Springs. Like, you know, I think he was like, I couldn't tell if he was hyping me up and being like, let's go. Let's go get this. Or if he was like, hey, bring your friends and family. Well, he kept saying to us like, let's go get some metal. No, hardware.

Is he called it hardware? Oh, I'm sorry. Like, let's go to some hardware. And I'm like, this is going to be really rude if we don't win. And, like, you've encouraged us to invite all of our friends and family and buy three tables. But then at the same time, I'm like, I know this is a business. Like, you're not dumb. And so I'm like, they're just trying to get us to buy tables for the money, you know?

And Jordan's like, no, I think that like maybe he's trying to encourage us that maybe we're going to win. I'm like, no, babe, this is just business. This is the business works. So anyway, we rolled the dice. We got three tables. So our closest executives, friends and family, you know, we invite to this event. And a couple things happened. One is the war broke out.

I don't know if we are in war, but I literally were all. So I've been like listening to a lot of like political podcasts and like the news. Yeah, yeah. And like according to what I've been listening to, we're not at war. Okay. But you know, like I don't know. What does your internet say, Gen Z producer? Oh, are you kidding me?

You're going to have a Gen Z TikTok producer. She's going to be like, we're full and at war. We're all going to die. Yeah, no. Let's see you from her. Honestly, that's the thing that I don't think people understand about Gen Z is like, yeah, we may not feel great about the situation, but let me tell you, the internet is so good right now with what we're saying. You guys really rally around bad events.

Do you think we are at war? We don't, I don't think we're at war in my TikTok feed. hasn't been more. It's kind of people going back and forth. And then most of us, I mean, it makes me uncomfortable. Like, I definitely feel a little more scared than probably you do. Yeah, I ran just, like, tried to bomb the Qatar American. What do you know what? But, but, but, but sorry, like, I'm the basis. Like, I'm not a political podcast. But listen, listen. My understanding is they gave warning. So it was like, my understanding. I don't know if they gave warning. I think that the U.S. knew it was coming. But they alerted Qatar a.

officials before they did it. Who's they? Iran. Iran. So the theory is that they couldn't have, they had to have some show of force, but they did a minimal show of force to not go to war. Does that make sense? Because Iran doesn't want to go to war either. Well, it's like, yeah, they don't want to look like punks, but like they also don't want to go to war.

You know what I really want to talk about is IPAC, but we'll talk about it later. What's IPAC? It's like the bipartisan is really like organization that pays both sides that like all of our senators are taking money from. But, you know, it's like we're not going to go there. It's like not a good idea. So anyway, we're at the EY table. And we're at the ZY table. And Danny and I, I mean, we're like, oh my gosh, we actually brought a lot of people here.

Our nerves are sort of, you know, we're on edge. Yeah. And then all of a sudden people's phones start dinging. And it's like people's faces are just like blank stairs. And they're like, yeah, we just bombed Iran. And I was like, oh, sure. I feel like this happens. I can't remember the last time.

I do. Okay. Yeah. We were in Cabo for our Club Divi Cabo trip. Yes. And Russia invaded Ukraine. Yeah, we have. Taked our algorithm.

We have really tough timing with. No, it's true. But you know what? This is just like, it's good for us to be aware of what's going on and stay in with what's going on. Be sensitive. So, yeah. So there's that. Yeah.

Sitting at the table and it's a long event. So the way that they gave out the awards is they showed like three different videos, right, introducing companies. Because they had multiple categories. So you could, you win your category. And then if you win, you go on to nationals. And nationals is in November and Palm Springs. Yes. And so the first video they showed.

So it's like, let's say there's like 50 companies. They did like blocks of, you know, you know, 12, 12 and then the last 12 or whatever. And so the funniest thing is in the first video, we're not even in it. Like they're introducing like all these companies. They're like, they're like companies that change the world. It's like oil and gas. And he's like, it's like this guy James and he's like, I'm building batteries and reindustrializing American. I'm like, oh, shoot. Y'all, it was all energy companies. battery companies, AI companies. Like, literally, I'm not even kidding you. There were 50 nominees. I don't know what the other 49 do. Yeah. I literally have no idea. I just know it has something to do with oil, gas, or energy.

Yes. And so we're like, oh my gosh, we just got three tables. Yeah, that's amazing. With all of our closest friends. Yeah. And our film, this is the funniest part. Yeah, our good friends. But I brought our team too.

And I'm like, guys, like, come on. I know. So listen, listen. So our friends, so they show the first video, we're not in it. They show the second video of the next 12 companies were not in it. There was a point in the dinner where our friends were filming our reaction and they just stopped filming because they were like, oh, this is so embarrassing. They were like, we were all feeling it. Everyone was feeling it.

They were like every time they would announce a winter, they would film us. And like our friends were so sweet because they were like, we know that y'all are going to want the moment captured. And then yes, I would say like after like winter number eight, like, they just stopped because it was like, it was just embarrassing because then after like eight winners, where I'm just like, okay, we're like, like, so around. Wait, can you clarify, like, was there different categories? That's what I said. Yeah. Yeah, there were different categories. So, um, all different types of winners. And then we all go on out of like the 50, I'm just guessing, like estimating like 50 nominees, there were like 10 to 15 winners. So that's why they're going

through each category throughout the night. But they didn't really like, it was just more like an award show for entertainment. So we didn't know what category and what was going on. So yeah, it was really stressful like an hour and a half in and they hadn't even like mentioned divvy. Yeah. And so we're, listen, and both can be true. We can both be scared and ashamed that we invited 30 of our closest friends and family. I wasn't ashamed. And also can be true that we were like we love these other founders and companies. So like, I just want to be clear. No, I love them so much. I wish I knew more of what they did. I'm just not smart enough to understand. There were some companies that I was like, yeah, for sure you guys should be winning

this. No, they're changing the world. You're changing America and changing the world. We're changing scalp. We're changing. We just want America to have healthy scalps. That's my freaking line. Don't say, don't you steal my line. So, so, okay, we're on a category slash winner. Let's just call it 10. There's going to be 12 total. By 8, I have already started a draft press release in my phone to all of our friends that says embargoed press release for immediate release. I was like, I'm going to draft this funny text message that is a fake press release so that if we lose, people know we're totally fine with it. No big deal. Let's just go upstairs, you know, like listen to the band, et cetera. I start going over.

over to our team's table and I'm trying to rile them up because I'm like, oh my gosh, it's not just our friends. It's not just my mom and dad. I've got to like deal with the momentum of my team now. This is a good, these are all good signs of a good leader. Like you're so empathetic and well, I did. Everybody else's experience. I was like, hey, I was like, hey, it's a free dinner. I was like, it's a good night. I was a band later. To be clear, before you call me a good leader, I did go to the divvy table and said, listen, if we lose, we're just going to say it was Rick. We'll say like we didn't donate any money. It was a fake election.

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So in this moment, I, and I never admitted this, but like I was like, man, you know, Danny gets so many awards. And I started to feel like I was the burden. I was like, if this was just Danny, like she totally would have won. Jordan, oh my gosh. But I was like, I was like, this is the first. time they've attached like the behind the scenes guy and I was like I'm just they didn't like Robin they've wanted Batman they didn't like Robin my gosh this man and so but admit it like no I'll

never no no what I'm saying is like it would have been funny if the one thing that we went into together we lost no it wouldn't have no I know it would have been sad that's why it was sad oh okay yeah I was sad but then so it comes to the very last selection and they um The last election. The last. Selection. Oh, I think I said election. No, selection.

And so they start talking about the company. And before they would like open the envelope, they would always be like, this company is phenomenal leadership CEO. And every time they would like explain a company, like, our friends would look at us and be like, it could be you. And then they'd be like refining oil across the country and be like, oh, it's not us. And they, what did they say? They were like, this company is like changing. The world with clean ingredients. And a lot of the businesses, just so you all know, were not, consumer facing.

They were not B2C. They were all like B2B, not all of them, but most of them. So there weren't a lot of like products. And so when they said cleaning. When they said cleaning ingredients, like to. Oh, I like my, my eyes welled up. When they said cleaning ingredients. I almost cried too and like I don't cry about stuff like this.

No, I was like, because I would have been totally fine not winning. It was just that we invited all of our friends and family and executives. Oh, that is so not. I like didn't care about that. Oh, I care. That's all I cared about. I know what I cared about. I wanted you to win.

I know. I could tell you wanted me to win. That's all I really cared about. It didn't really matter to me if I won. But I wanted you to get the recognition because I feel like there's so like 90% of Divi is you. Like 10% like it was my idea. I was the visionary. I thought of the idea.

But like everybody has ideas. Like we all have ideas and we all we all have ideas that will save the world. but to actually execute them and to have like a partner to help you like get it moving is a whole another story and that was you in the equation and I feel like you don't get that recognition because it's always like the founder who won the idea. Yeah. And so it was like so I was important for me to have you get that recognition. Well that's so sweet.

I'm about to throw something sweet back at you. But so they say clean ingredients. My eyes welled up. I'm like, I'm good. And then we go on stage, we accept the ward. I go up to Ivan, who's like our EY guy. Can I say something I was so mad at Jordan for? Because like the thing about me is I've done a lot of things on stage.

Like, so I am really good at taking cues. And it's like, hey, you're going to walk on stage and you're going to pause. You're going to wave to the crowd. Or at this moment, you're going to give them one minute acceptance speech. Like, it's just, you know, I'm not perfect at it. And it's not natural for me. But after you do it for a certain amount of years, Like you get. So there was like one moment where we do a parade where we walk out on stage and you go up and they're like make sure they're like make sure you go to the front of the stage and you pause. Take your time. Take your moment. Wave to the crowd. Pose. Get your photo up. And I'm like, great. Okay, great. Like he literally said that like straight to Jordan. And we're doing this together. Usually it's just me. And we go on stage and Jordan just goes like literally just sprints across the stage, drags my hand. I was like. And then. And then.

we're up on stage like posing. You know, we didn't pose because Jordan skipped that. And but we go to like where we're supposed to stand on stage. And the whole time I'm so mad at him. I'm like, I was like, I was so. I was so. I was so. There's probably a video of us standing.

Fighting. Fighting on stage like before the ceremony even starts. Because he did a pause. And I'm like, yeah, I totally, I totally pause. No, you just you just rush and you never got your photo moment. And I wanted you to have that. I knew I effed up, but I was denying it. And here's what's annoying is you led me.

So you led me like to and you grabbed my hand. And if I would have led you, I would, but then I also didn't want to be disrespectful and like fight back. Totally. Yeah. You know? And I was like, that's going to be more embarrassing. So then I was just like, ugh.

Ugh. Ugh. So they, yeah, they saved us for last. It was like the best moment ever. I'm so glad now that they, that it happened the way that it did because I feel like my joy was like so like real and so fun. Because basically it was like such a long night. And by the end of the night, we're all like, oh, my gosh, we lost.

Like, we're starting to, like, where we're going to go? We're going to go to Waterberger. Like, is two places still open? And then they're like, and the last winter is divvy. And it was just so great. And your parents were there, which was so fun. We had three tables. So we had this really loud, like, woo, roar of applause.

And it was just a very special night. And our friends were so sweet. My girlfriends, like, prayed for me before the whole night even started, which was also really sweet because, like, it wasn't, it was so crazy. you know, there were probably like 14, 15 winners and not one person acknowledged God at all. I don't know if you noticed that. Yeah. Which is fine.

No, James, the battery guy. He didn't. He didn't? No. Nobody did the entire night, which is fine. But like, to me, it's like so much of our story. And it was like so cool that my friends, like, they literally in the middle of the whole party, like, stopped and like made like a little crowd of just like prayer. And it was so cool that my friends were like, because honestly, I don't even know if I would have done that.

My friends were like kind of bold enough to do that. So after that, I was like, lifetime friends. Can I tell you what I learned from the experience? Yeah. Why did you look at Krissa? Oh, no. Oh.

What I learned from the experience is that, let's just say that that was like my first taste of having main character energy, which is typically you. I am not cut out for it. And I'm, I'm, no, no, listen, listen to me. It's a compliment to you. Oh, okay.

I'm like, okay. I'm like, okay. the fact that you went on stage and gave the speech that you did, completely acknowledging that that was like God's provision and like, you know, God's grace that is like let us here tells me that you so deserve main character energy and I do not. Like,

I'm kind of kidding. I'm kind of not. Like, dead ass. I'm telling you, like, I was like, I listened. I rewatched your speech when you posted your reel. And I was like, she is such a good person. I was like, she deserves all of the main character energy. And what's so funny is like four days prior to that, we had run into this guy at the mall who came up to you.

And it was like this random dude. And he was like, probably 50 plus. And he was like, hey, I know you. And he goes, what's my name? And you recognized him. and he recognized you and it was your third grade janitor. And he was talking. Custodian,

whatever. So he was talking about how like he remembered your character from third grade. Yeah. That blows my mind. Like that blows my mind. And so basically this whole thing. Because I would always try to get him to memorize my name. This whole thing like this whole thing has solidified for me that like like you deserve all

the main character energy. And I'm not, listen, I'm not like pity farming where I'm like, oh, like I'm a bad person. I deserve to be on stage. No, no. I actually am just saying like it has helped me understand like what a gift that it is to be able to like work with you and support you in like your dreams. Because I think that you have this crazy ability to be super high level and like achieve a lot of things. But also like stop and like talk to the custodian or talk to. talk to the lunch lady or like care about our employees on like a really deep level.

And I think I have elements of that, but yours is an overdrive. Like if I would have gone up and I had more time to say the speech, I'd have been like, F the haters. Like, you know, we did it, baby. Like, that would have been my speech. And like, I would have been talking to like our private equity group was there. I would have been like, LB, yeah, like if the haters, no one believed it. And like you were so like stewardship, grace. And so yeah, that's what I learned. I had to talk to my therapist about this day.

Really? Oh, for sure. Wait, what brought that up? Well, it's a deeper lesson. And I think it's just like, typically like when you and I go through life lessons, it's like sometimes like I'm ahead of you and you catch up. And then other times like you're ahead of me and I catch up. And I feel like the lesson that is the greater theme of what's going on is that like, like, Like, because we've had a hard year. No other way to say it. Everybody's having hard year. We had a hard year. Everybody struggles. But you were able to look at the win of EY and be like, man, even despite all the pruning and all of the hardships we face, like, God is still good to us. And like my perspective on it was like, like, we survived.

Like, never give up. You know, it was like kind of that. And so it's a larger theme that I feel like you're doing so well in life right now, which is a, you know, you. you're saying like, I'm not responsible for my own results, like all results and achievements, glory to God. And I'm kind of in this phase where I'm like, glory to Jordan. Yes, yes. I understand saying that. And everyone does this. So like, like, I don't want, I mean, like, it is sin and it's like not good. But like everyone does this. But I've learned a lot, just the past couple weeks. I think you've done a really good job of getting out of self,

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true. And I think you should stop speaking that over yourself. Like I think you should really stop saying. that because, um, because that's not true because like, that's literally all of our purposes. Like, God uses all of us in like everything that we do is because of him and his blessings. And it's not just like an anointing on my life. Like it's yours too. It's just, it's a way that it's the perspective and the way that you look at things. Um, but like I think that my, my biggest cringe and my biggest fear in life is to ever get on stage and be like, you know, why I got this. Perseverance, baby. Diligence, hard work. Like, like, I stayed up, I believe that. I stayed up at 2 a.m. when all you other hit. And like, here's the thing. I did. Like, I sacrifice, I'm sorry,

like a shit ton. Like, I compare myself to my friends and like the hell I've been through because of the sacrifices I have made versus theirs. I'm telling you, like, I was always way hard, like way more hardworking and way more diligent and way more. But like to me, it, it doesn't really matter because I, even like all of those in those moments of like working really hard or the diligence or the gifts. Like it's, it's all gods. Like, it's all gods at the end of the day. Listen, you are so right. And I, that is what I saw. And that's what you've really challenged me in without even like doing anything just by being you. Because like in my mind, you're right. We both have done the sleepless nights. We both have done. Why do you have a bandit on? I cut my finger.

With what? A knife? Yeah, it was an accent. I've never seen a bandit on. I know. It's a whale. It's a I think kind of sad. Like, we both have endured like the perseverance and like we've gone through like, I mean, we have both gone through so much to get here where I want to, again, it's like, this is why God creates marriage. Like we refine each other. We challenge each other.

Like you challenge me to be, I want to catch up to you and be like, hey, like, I need to have a perspective that like, yes, I did do those things. But I want to be first in saying like, all glory. to God and like God gave us this versus Jordan did this. And I think that there's a little bit, I'm just being honest. I think it's helpful to be honest. There's a little bit of a chip on my shoulder of being like, man, these results are because I sacrificed XYZ and perseverance and dedication and all the other pep talks. And I get that because I had so many girls that were like so mean to me when I started making YouTube videos. But another big thing is that I think honestly

what has always kept me so grounded in this is, this sounds so depressing, but you know I've always said this is like, we're all going to die one day. And we're all going to die and go to heaven one day. And like that has been, that has been something that is so like on the tip of my, like it's so like at the front and center of my mind 24-7. I think a lot of people forget that. A lot of people forget that and they don't even really think about it. So when they take an award or they accomplish something, it's so easy. If you're not thinking about that, then it's so easy to be like to praise yourself. But like, I'm like, I had literally die tomorrow. Okay. And like this piece of hardware that I won this evening

literally is going to mean nothing. So I like literally going into the event, I kept thinking about that. And I kept thinking, okay, like this, this award show like what I'm going to win, the successes, everything that comes from this. Like I literally replayed this in my head. I was like, none of this is going to matter. One day I'm going to stand before God. And what am I going to say about that EY event? Like what am I going to say? What am I going to like be able to proclaim in front of God and Jesus that I did because of that opportunity. I think about that all the time with with almost like every big moment. Totally.

And so then I'm like, okay, what I'm not going to be able to bring the trophy to heaven. I'm not going to be able to bring the dress to heaven with me, which the dress was stressful. Don't get me wrong. I'm not going to be able to like, whatever it is, but the people that I've met and the people that we speak to tonight and the message that I share from winning, people are going to remember. and maybe it will be a tally in their mission in life.

It will add to like their mission. I don't know. And so, and I feel like I've always been able to have that. It's almost kind of like a little, it's not pessimistic. It's not negative, but it's almost like a very like realistic version of. And to be honest, I am so thankful for the opportunity. I'm so thankful for the award like to be recognized in Forbes or EY or we're, nominated for a beauty matter event or now we're nominated for another new beauty award like all these

awards. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is so amazing. But like it does not matter. And like I see somebody like our nanny, Brenda, who works her little ASS off every single day. And she is the most amazing woman. She's pouring into my kids. She's taking my kids. She gets here super early while I'm working. She's taking her. And I'm like, that woman deserves an award like for what she's doing. Because she works just as hard as I do it. And sometimes I almost feel like guilty because I'm like, you know, why doesn't she get the award? Or why doesn't, why doesn't the mom across the street that's just like busting her ass, raising her children to be amazing kids? Why doesn't she get the award? Like sometimes it kind of just bums me out that like this, not the slimyest because

it's not slimy people that get the awards. But sometimes it's the people that have sacrificed their lives in ways that are not glorifying to God that get the award. And that always kind of just bums me out. And so, um, so I don't. So I don't. know. I think about that a lot. And you're not wrong about anything that you said, but what I'm just clarifying for you is like, that's what makes you the good one. Yeah. Not of our marriage. I think I like, like I'm not saying I'm the bad one. I'm saying that's what makes you like, you always want to see celebrities that are like genuinely good people like succeed and you want to see good people succeed. And I think that from my slight little sliver of recognition in this EY show, like,

I am telling you, it is supernatural how much recognition you have gotten that you have been able to still care about people on a deep and personal level. You need to realize, like, I do think that that is why there is a continued provision that God gives you because I think you steward the success and steward the recognition for his glory better than I am, learning how to do it by the way that you have done it. Yeah. Because like usually, and I also will say this and I'm not saying this from a self-pity. I do not, I don't want this anymore. Like I will take EY. You had one bad speech and now it's not a bad speech.

You had a great speech. It's not a bad speech. I just, I'm telling you for like my own hearts and my own soul, like I am not cut out for this game. I will be the Robin to your Batman. But if you, if you affirm me at that, at the level that you have received affirmation, I, you've been turning Justin Bieber. You're not clacking on this business. Your business is not clacking on my head.

No, I'm telling you, like, and I, I'm so grateful for the experience that now I. He comes out with like a full sleeve tat. He's like, this is business on my clock. You know who I turn into is who is the, at the, the Met Gala who like was like, Dochi, Donchi, I be Dochi. She's like, pull out the umbrella. Don't show off my outfit before. Like that.

type of, that type of energy is like my biggest fear in life. Like, I'm sorry, like, I love you, dochi, but like, please, that is not what matters. Yeah. You've had some, like, it's, again, the biggest blessing is like, I am so, it solidified our dynamic so well for me that, like, I think that I don't mind being the workhorse behind the scenes. I love it. I'm good at it. Like, it's so fun. But like, you go up there and accept those awards. If we win nationals, I will not be saying a word. I will immediately be handing the wife, the, the, the mic to my beautiful, lovey, God-fearing wife.

Oh, my gosh. I know you don't believe in astrology, but I'm just saying give major capricorn energy right now, Jordan. Because you want to know what? All the cabricorns would have went up there. I'm like, this is for the hater. When I tell you, if I ever win anything, I know exactly what I'm going to say to the kid in college that hurt my feelings.

Okay, but I'm Scorpio. Yeah, but, you know, You, well, we need to read your full charts, which you guys don't believe in it. But you have, like, different signs for different houses. So, like, your main sign is one thing. But then you have a sign that, like, it's a lot. Aren't Scorpio's mean? No.

Oh, okay. And actually. They're misunderstood. And actually, Capricorns and Scorpios work really well together. It's just that your fights get. Oh, no. There's no doubt. I mean, whether you're talking about the, the voodoo, the voodoo of astrology or whether

you're talking about the eneagram, like, there is no doubt that our personality types are fire on teams. Oh, personality types are like you're a three, I'm a one. Like we will take over the world. Like we are dominant as a team. We're like, watch out. You've had some dreams lately that you've shared. And I have some big ideas for them.

Wait, what? I feel like I thought of one today. And I was like, oh, I got to do. Oh, my dating? Oh, yeah. Like, seriously, I'm going to kill it. Like, I'm here to, like, get people married and, like, increase the, the birth rate in America. I know. We're going on Hulu.

No, like, literally. Like, I'm, like, producers call me. Like, I have two huge ideas. Like, if you want to skyrocket your views, call me. I'm not even kidding. No. All glory of Jesus Christ. Did you watch this, um, Ted Cruz took her, Tucker, Tucker calls. And not, I'm not going to talk about politics. Like, I just want to talk about the interview. Have you watched it? No, I just saw clips. Like, Tucker's so annoying. Oh, interesting take. No, I agree with his questions that he asked.

And like, like Ted Cruz should have known to him. He was kind of dushy. Tucker was being so annoying. That type of energy in an interview is everything that I've never wanted to punch somebody across the face from a screen before. This is a very confusing topic politically because you're going to have people who are on the left listening being like, yeah, Tucker sucks. And then you're going to have people on the right. who are so confused that you hate Tucker. No, and the thing is that I don't hate Tucker.

I don't feel, but like I just watched the interview, like just stand alone. I watched that with Ted Cruz. And I just hate the way he carried himself. Tucker Carlson. I hate whenever people sit down to have a conversation and then they're just like interrupting the other person calling them names or just being like obnoxious. And here's the thing. I think that Ted Cruz should have known the answer to a lot of the questions that Tucker

asked. It's the intellectual pride. It was, yes. It was just like, you don't know the population of Iran? Intellectual pride is like the most frustrating, annoying thing to me. And it's blatant across TikTok and the internet. And then he asked him, well, what religion are they? Or tell me about Iran.

And he wouldn't give him like the actual like time to answer. Now I'm not defending Ted Cruz like this like like literally. I'm literally not defending either side. But I just don't like the way that the conversation was carried. And it just, it just annoys me. I hate that side of politics. That's all I wanted to say. Yeah.

That's good. That's a hard take. Yeah. Yeah. What else? The memes are great. And I've saved a lot of reels and trends from everything going on because it is funny. And I'm also just trying to understand.

There's some really good. If anybody else is trying to understand what is going on, I highly recommend you listen to some Theovon interviews. Because he will dumb it down for. you so you understand he's no he interviews people from the left I would die to know the the the percentage of female followers of theobon honestly because of me like well I'm sorry I'm not saying like I'm like influential but I feel like I've helped a lot of like people understand what's going on by recommending theovon because he speaks to the layman you know you say you don't want to meet your heroes would you want to meet theovon yeah yeah for sure I wouldn't even like geek out if he were like

in the room yeah he's pretty approachable he's super approachable and he's not like a I just, I really admire what, the only thing is he just had on, who is this guy? I listened to this interview this morning. I want to say Rokan, it says. I'm, I'm sorry. I'm butchering it. I'm really not that smart when it comes to this stuff.

He just had, yeah, Rokana. Who's that? Rokana is the congressman for California, 17th District, a member of the Democratic Party. He had Rokana on, he had, JD Vance on recently. So he talks to both sides about everything going on. And yeah, he just asks,

asks very approachable questions that we kind of all are curious about. So anyway, that would be great for you all listen to. And then also, uh, mosh, mosh,

most news. Yeah. Bipartisan, like just really makes it easy to understand everything going on. Um, but do, um, you should tell them about that.

that interview that you were like really interested in, the doctor who studies people who have near-death experiences? Oh my gosh, y'all. How have I not told you all this before? Okay. So last Thursday. Is it Thursday? What's the Thursday?

Okay. Your schedule's so packed. I'm like so packed. I'm like Tuesdays, tennis, Wednesday's Pilates, Thursdays. I'm off. Yeah. Five days the lake. So.

I'm getting. I'm like, anyway, so we had music class Thursdays, and most of the group couldn't come. But there were the two Briannas, these new moms that I've met, one in my neighborhood, and then one that lives like a little bit in North Dallas. They came, they brought their babies. And I was like, this would be great. Like, I'm getting to know new moms. I've been so social lately.

Like, I literally have so many friends right now. It's crazy. I've never had as many friends in my life. Okay? I've always been a loner and I just feel so filled up and content and have so much joy because I've been really trying to make friends. And friends just make the world go around. Anyway, so I have two new friends and we were doing music class. It's like, it's so funny that we like pay this teacher.

It was like $300 for like a certain amount of sessions. It's like not cheap. Like we each pay like $3.50. Oh my gosh. No, I know. And she comes and literally just sings like, Bitsy Bitsy Spider, like to like her iPhone music. To talk, like to newborns.

And the newborns are like, like the newboards and the new ones like falling asleep. And like the other baby, they're like laying on their back. You know, so it's like more for the moms. But we start chatting like while the teacher is singing because, you know, it's more for the moms. And my new friend, she just had a baby like same time,

like four or five days off from Summit. And she's like, yeah, yeah. But I had a really hard postpartum and like pregnancy. She's like, I died on the table whenever I was giving birth. Me and my other girl were like, what? And she's like, and like literally the girl in the background is like, the itsy, pizzy spider. And we're like, wait, we have to learn more.

She tells us this story, y'all. Like she, like I'm not, y'all, this is like a normal gal. Like I'm going to try to have her on the podcast. Like she is a sweetheart. Okay. Like normal person. She tells us about how she died on the table. when she was having a C-section with her first child,

her husband literally witnesses her die, is like basically like has 45 seconds of like freak out because he's like, my wife is dead and I just have this newborn. Their doctors are taking the baby out of her belly. And she goes to another spiritual realm. And I'm not going to tell you everything that happens because I'm going to tease it because I want her to come on the pod. But it is the craziest story.

She has this spiritual experience. She's a Christian and comes back to life on the table and now has this like really cool near death experience she can share with people. So she was telling me about a doctor named Dr. Jeremy Long, right, who went on Theovan and he has studied, I believe over like 14,000. It's either 1,400 or 14,000. I know those are totally different numbers, but like whether it's one or the other, it's a lot. Both are statistically significant.

Yeah, both are a lot. Near-death experiences, and the craziest part about all of these near-death experiences, they're all similar. And the coolest part about near-death experiences is it doesn't matter what religion or faith you come from. They all are very similar. They all have very similar elements, whether you are atheist, Christian, Jewish, And like he also studied his near-death experiences from like other parts of the world. And they're all similar.

And she has one of those stories. So anyway, I want her to come on the podcast, share her story. And then I want Jeremy Long to come on the podcast and share what he's learned. And then when you guys accept an award for something that you receive, you will be able to think of these podcasts and think, wow, it doesn't matter. Because we're all going to die one day and go to heaven. That's good. Do we reach out to Jeremy Long? Yeah, he said he's too busy.

Wait, really? Yeah. You have to go through his company and then his company will tell you that. Chris, does he know who we are? I'm trying. I'm trying my best. Does he, has he never heard of the influence? They said they're going to give it to a woman, a woman, with the same last name.

I don't know if it's his wife, his daughter, or whoever. And then she's going to show him this and if he's interested, they'll get back to us. Wait, at least you just like, DM him on Instagram and it's a. I cannot find an Instagram page for him. Oh, he probably doesn't have one. Yeah. I think he's like off the bed. Let's find his daughter.

Yeah. Good. Smart. Yeah. Let's go for the kids. Good call. Anyways. I'll get on that.

Let you know next week. Yes, please do. Because his interview with Theovan was so interesting. I mean, all of these stories that, and he actually has like a database where it's very, like, unbiased because he does everything by surveys. So people just submit their experience. they submit everything. It's like all free to like they just express the way that they want to express what happened.

And then he finds all these insane similarities. That is so crazy. Like for example, I'll just give you like a couple things. When you meet like a lot of times that they go to the spiritual realm and they don't know if it's heaven or like a realm, but they oftentimes see their loved ones that have passed away. It's all telepathic. They rarely speak in. I know we'll talk about it later.

It's typically telepathic where they just. for it. They just communicate. Like, it's just like you understand what they're saying. Number three, it's they don't typically have bodies. It's spirits. But you recognize that it's them. It's so weird.

And I kept asking her, I was like, wait, so is there a body or face? She's like, no, but you just know that it's that. It's so weird. And another thing is, not to give it a way, typically they don't want to come back to Earth. Typically, they want to stay in the spiritual realm. And they don't want, they love it so much.

And they feel this, like, insane amount of joy and they see colors and things that they've never seen. The lights are like a different shade of like bright. Like she said it's like basically having like a Paris filter on like everything. And they typically don't want to come back to her. So. And even, sorry, even though like they'll leave and they'll have like their children or their loved ones that are like so sad that they've passed away,

they still don't want to come back. Has this changed your view on the telepathy tapes at all? No. Zero. No, because it's not. Are you sure you're not just being stubborn? They're not proclaiming Jesus. They're not proclaiming God.

Like, I just don't. And fine. If it is, it is. But like, I'm just, I'm not going to go there. That's just close to it. Like, fine. But no, I'm not doing it. Like, proclaim Jesus.

And then I'll believe you. Sorry. Oh, you know what else I did? Oh, did you hear about the guy with the highest IQ ever? He said that he like, he was like, I have the highest IQ ever. in Jesus is the son of God and he's a Christian. It's circulating around the media right now.

I love it. So interesting. I'll have to listen to that guy. Maybe we'll have him on the podcast. That would be so fun. Yeah, I want to have a... He's probably busy right now. Just give me the names.

Does he know who we are? Like, oh my gosh. You can Google it. He's everywhere right now. You don't know if I did... I should reach out to him now. This weekend after we did, so we woke up the next day. We were like hung over from...

amount of the lack of sleep that we had. And then we went to a christening, which sounds so. I loved it. It was sweet. Super nice church. Yeah. Maybe our Gen Z producer is Catholic. Maybe you can like speak a little bit to, like, what a christening is because I think,

can I just speak from like a Christian perspective? So like we get baptized. typically it's when you want when you decide that you want to accept Jesus into your heart and pursue a life like following Jesus. But as a baby, you don't know who Jesus is. But I thought it was a really beautiful proclamation to friends and family saying that we're going to raise this child as a child of God and like proclaim Jesus. So I want to know if it's more for the child or if it's more for the family or both. I don't know.

And what's the holy water? No, holy water's real. Yeah. For sure. Drives that demons. I know. I should have gotten some of that stuff. You put it on.

Well, sell and I'm trying in it. We're playing in it. So we're good. The house is good. So basically when you are a baby, you obviously can't say, like I want to be saved. So it's basically your parents saying it on your behalf so that if you were, to pass away. Yeah.

Then you could go to heaven and they've claimed your rights for you. But then in the Catholic Church, so you do your baptism or christening where your parents basically take the rights for you and then you get your communion, Holy Trinity, Eucharist, and then you get your confirmation when you're like, I want to say it's like... Like 13. Yeah, like 13 and 14. And that's where you get to redo your baptismal rights on your own. It's like I just did that three weeks ago because I never did it.

But I'm not 13. So, what was you going to ask? You got confirmed a couple weeks ago? Oh, no way. So you can do it at any age. Yeah. What pushed you to do that? I had a really rough year, like you guys had said.

Same. It wasn't because of your job, right? No, actually, I say this all the time. And maybe if I say it on the podcast, they'll believe me. This job saved my life, like truly. And I'm not saying that just because I love you guys and I want to keep my job. But I had a really rough year. And honestly, I don't want to be here anymore.

And I've always had a relationship with God. But in that moment, I was like about to not be here anymore. And I heard something. And it was like, no, like don't. Like call 911 try one more time. So I did. And when I got to the hospital, the guy was. was pretty much like, do you believe in anything? And I was like, yes, but I don't, like,

I hadn't been to church in forever. And so it happened that one of my very Catholic friends lived in Dallas from high school, which I went to high school in Chicago. So it's another weird coincidence. And she went to a Catholic church up the street and when she found out what happened. I had, like, told her about my whole experience and how I was scared to go back into the church because I didn't, I wasn't really raised, like, knowing everything. And until, what is it? What did you call it intellectual, like, pride? Yes, I'm terrified of that, especially like in a church setting. And so I was always really scared of that.

Wait, what is intellectual pride? Like, just like knowing everything and I was always scared people were going to judge me because, like, I didn't really know, like, even the sacraments, like, I had not really known anything about confirmation. Because in Catholicism, there are a lot of sacraments and like a lot of, like, routine things that you, right? Yeah. And so it's like, it can be intimidating.

Yeah. And you're supposed to go to like CCD, which for you guys would be Sunday. school and my parents like we stopped going to church altogether. So I felt super out of it. And she just said to me like, hey, no pressure. But if you ever want to go with me, I go on Sundays at 5 p.m. So I started going with her every week. And I just like truly, it just got me like out of the worst time in my life. And then a couple weeks later, you guys hired me. And it like, yeah, no, it's like such a godly story. But I actually, because you have to renew your baptismal rights. So you have to say like, I believe in one true God.

There's only one God. There's only one Jesus. There's only one here. Holy Spirit. And I don't like to lie. And as any person, I have doubts. So I was really, like, anxious about it because I was like, is it normal? And my grandpa and my grandma are the ones who have kind of kept faith in my life.

And my grandpa had passed, like, the week before I got my confirmation. And he literally, I swear, like, came over me one day and was just like, Like, I just felt like I was panicked about it. And I just felt like he was like, it's okay to doubt. Like, questioning things is normal. Like, that's not what they're saying. Just say, like, they, you can still believe it's human to question things. Like, you don't have to feel like you have to be perfect.

And I went through with it. Wow. That's a cool story. Yeah. So my confirmation name is Carissa Rose Catherine after a saint. Oh, I love that. Yeah. You get to pick a saint.

So I picked Catherine Drexel. How many saints are there? Oh, so many. There are so many. And what is Catherine Drexel a saint? Yeah. So she was like basically like every saint has like kind of a cause and she was the saint of like activism and like standing up for people that didn't have a voice. I really love that.

Yeah. So that's what you're kind of like your mission is that you want to do. Stand up for the little guy. The little guy. You and Theo. That's Theo's mission too. Do I love that? Yeah.

I wonder. Yeah. So how do they choose the saint name? You choose it. You get to go through the database. So actually, you're going to die. I pulled to Jordan and I used chat TBT because there were so many. I was so overwhelmed.

I love that. And so I had it like. I think like God, Jesus would like want us to use it. No, seriously. Like I, I'm trying to understand just so. Yeah, yeah. Not to be controversial, but I am trying to understand what the Bible says about, like, standing up for Israel and, like, be, like.

Yeah. And I'm trying to understand if it's like modern name Israel, if it's the people, if it's the, it's so confusing and, like, I don't understand. Well, that's the difference in opinions, right? It's like some people are like the state of Israel. Yes. Other people is like the people, God's people of Israel. And so I really feel like, so first of all, my.

I've been really thinking about this. And I'm like, first, I need to like understand all the facts. So I've been chat, GPTing, like, a lot of it. Like, I want to pull up all the scriptures and not just the scriptures, but also, like, the meaning behind the scriptures. And then I'm going to take all the scriptures and then pray about it and be like, okay, did he really mean the people or the state or the place? Like, I don't know.

But I feel like that's where the Holy Spirit comes in. And then that's whenever you have conviction and then you can, like, proclaim what you believe. But right now I literally don't know. So there's my take on that. So anyway, thank you, Chachadip-T for helping me understand one day. And for helping me pick my saint. And for helping Chris pick her saint. And I love that Chatsh-C-B-T also can be used as like a little therapist these days.

Like you can literally, I upgraded to the one where you speak to it. And I was like, I literally this morning I was like, hey, Chach-T-P-T, like which senators have like received money from these lobbyist organizations? And like which, like, I just talked to it. And I'm not ashamed to ask it because it's not a real person. Because I'm so ashamed to ask so many questions to like real people because I'm like embarrassed that I don't know what these things are. I'm like, what was the cause of World War II? Like, you know?

And I'm like, I've studied it so much, but I just sometimes like I forget or I don't understand. And so anyway, I just highly recommend. And it just talks back to you like aggressive. Like, hey girl. Like so World War II was like a really complicated issue. And see, what happened was we invaded. You know, it's really. That's funny.

So, how much? I feel like we should wrap because we are going to do what we love to do, which is look at houses. Yeah, well, I have to say, we, guys, we might have found the one. That's true. I'm so excited to hear about this. I'm serious. It is Gorgina, Gorgina. Like in Gensi.

You know I don't say Gorgina. No, I feel like Gorgina was millennial. I feel like we, we, we, maybe we're meshing. Maybe we're all becoming one. Or maybe I am more Genzi than I used to be. But it's so gorgeous. And I haven't felt butterflies about a house probably since we bought this house. But honestly, I didn't even feel butterflies about our lake house.

I love it. Don't get me wrong. But I was, that was more like a logical. I was like, get the lake house so our kids can play outside. And then we can have more friends. But this is like a feeling. It's like a, yeah. I just realized there's no room for a podcast studio.

Okay, never mind scratch it. We're not going to get it. I just realized that. Yep, scratch it. It's not happening. It's okay, guys. I can be with... We can do it remotely if you want. What about that room?

The room that's painted black upstairs. I know. That's what I was thinking. I was into good. Yeah, we'll figure it out. We get creative. Look at the house with open eyes first. Honestly, we could go to a studio for our podcast.

Yeah. I would hate to because I come up here with no bra on. Entire empty office space we could use for the podcast studio. which would be efficient. The greenhouse. I want to sell that thing. Don't talk about it. Okay.

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