De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - Laughing, Crying, and Everything In Between

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

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The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello, and welcome back to your favorite podcast. D-influenced. I'm struggling today. Don't start off like that. No, I'm just not feeling great. Because neither am I. Oh, really?

Well, I'm just, like, really pregnant, and it's, like, kind of hard to talk a little bit. I'm a little congested. I know, me too. Yeah, I had a tub ache, and I was thrown up all yesterday. Did you throw up today? Not yet. I think I've had a stomach bug that, um, It's like I just have a stomach bug and then like exhaustion.

So we were on the way to our doctors or like it was my 36 week appointment. And I was telling Jordan. I was like, I don't feel good. I really don't feel good. And then we got the car and I threw up on the way. And then I threw up once we got there. And then the doctor came in and I was crying. Yeah.

And I was rubbing your back and she was like, what happened? I was like, I knew she was going to come in when you were crying. And I was like, I don't want it to look like we're fighting because it's awkward. we weren't fighting. Yeah, yeah. But she's cool. She's, she's like, what happened? I was like, I don't feel good. I was like, she's sad. It's not that I'm sad because I'm sad. I'm sad because I don't feel good. I get depressed when I don't feel good. Yeah, every time. It's a vicious cycle. Yeah. You don't, you get sick and the sickness is not the worst part. It's the sadness. It's the sadness from sickness. It's the sadness from the sickness. And then it's,

you got to pull yourself out of it. Yeah. It's tough. It's a vicious cycle. Five years. five years of it five years of it what's it gonna be like like not being pregnant like what's like consistency look like have you ever thought about that oh do you think that like we're gonna like it i feel like we're gonna just have to like throw a bomb at something see i think there's like a subconscious like behavior that we have when the things get calm yeah it's like oh no the condom broke So you're saying you did that? No, I'm not saying I did that. I'm just saying I,

So you're admitting that you're the one that broke the condom. No, no, I'm just saying. I think that there's like, you know, we do like, I think that there will be a time where we're like, should we have a fifth kid. But that's why I'm scheduling the vasectomy. Like we can't let our subconscious crazy get a hold of us again. We just can't do it. Okay. I mean, yeah.

They're always reversible anyway. Snip snap, snip, snap, snip, snap. I wonder if anyone's ever done that, like, win in and, like, reverse their vasectomy. Have you ever heard of that? Yeah, no, I think it happens all the time. Really? You've heard about it?

Yeah. I heard it's, like, kind of, like, tough to do. Oh. Yeah, I don't know. My biggest concern is that it's not, it's not going to work. God, oh, my God. Let's just talk about, like, what, okay. No, I can't.

Are you about if we have another baby? No, let's just think about it, like, you get the vasectomy, because we do have friends that got pregnant off of a vasectomy. Yeah. And so let's just say it's five most postpartum. I found that I'm pregnant. I, what do we do? I'm thinking you could probably send me away.

Probably. Like let's look into some facilities and just like, you know, and just send me away at least for the first three months. And then I'll come back a new woman. I'll be past the first trimester. I'll have a lot of friends from my facility. All the crazies. No, it's just people like me.

What facility is this? I'm kind of thinking somewhere like in Switzerland. Is this like a, oh, it's not a looney bin? Well, you know, call it what you want. As long as it's in Switzerland, I don't really care. Okay, gotcha. And then I come back and then I really only have like seven months or so left. Damn, I don't, we wouldn't.

We wouldn't make it. We wouldn't make it. We wouldn't make it. We wouldn't make it. You and I, as a marriage, we can make it. I don't think you could make it. I would do something like so drastic, like where I would sell all of our belongings and like just like go live in like a trailer and just like travel.

Like I would I would need to change my life so much. Yeah. It's like we would have to give up on everything we've tried so far. Yeah. It's just. Yeah. It's out. It's the only way I could I could mentally deal.

with it. I've been crying a lot. Yeah, you've been crying a lot. You've been crying a lot. It's okay, though. Have you felt supported in your cries? Sometimes. Oh. Where have you not felt supported in your cries? Sometimes I just feel like you don't have a heart. Well, sometimes I'm just like if we give it five minutes, we'll be on the other side of this, too. Yeah. And I typically, am but it's nice to feel that someone's connecting with you while you are in the five minutes. Yeah. What about in the doctor's office? You were putting on a show for Dr. Joy Cuddy and I knew it. Because you didn't want her to think of what we were fighting. Oh, no. No, I knew that she wouldn't think we were fighting. I genuinely, I was like, oh, I'm really glad that she's here because I want

to know if she thinks everything's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's okay. It's a hard time. It's our time. The emotions are just... The biggest issue right now is... I'm really worried about getting sick this weekend. I know. If I fall... If I fall this whole ship...

My mom's in the Cayman Islands. Yeah. You know, so like, always, like, call your mom. Like, you don't understand. My mom's not here. She's like... She's like on a cruise ship. She's on the Cayman.

She's in the Cayman Islands. She's traveling all over the place. Your mom is probably more available on the weekends. But I don't know, you're in your dad, like, your mom and your dad, like, actually, like, do fun stuff together. So, yeah, we might be riding solo this weekend. And then all my friends had babies. So it's like, I can't, like, that's another thing is, like, I've kind of had a hard week. And, like, usually I reach out to my friends, but, like, all my friends are having babies.

So, like, I can't be, like, attention to me. Like, you know, we need to, like, take care of our friends. Maybe that's what we should do is we should go do something nice for our friends this weekend. Okay. That'll probably make this feel better. Okay. Well, I just feel physically ill, not emotionally ill. Oh, not mentally ill.

Yeah. They're different. Do you? Yeah. Okay, yeah, we can go serve. I'm more so saying, like, I need to physically, mentally, emotionally be the rock here. And I don't feel that right now. I'm exhausted.

My body is kind of achy and I just feel something coming on. I woke up at like three in the morning and my throat kind of hurt. And I was like, oh, we can't serve. Oh, you woke up at three in the morning. It's so horrible. I'm not complaining. I'm saying I'm trying. I was up at 12, 3, 5, 7, 6.

No, I'm saying I'm saying I'm trying to prevent the collapse here. Yeah. The collapse, you know. For you. I feel like we've talked about this before, but that, that meme that's like, I'm so happy that my wife is having an unmedicated birth because now she knows what it feels like when I have a headache. Yeah. Like one of the husbands. That's so true.

Oh, that's so real. No, I'm just teasing. I know it's been hard on you, too. It actually is very, pregnancy is very tough on the men and they don't get enough credit. Maybe you should get a push present too. No, I don't want any present. I honestly just wanted you to say that. Thank you.

I don't think you've ever said that. No, I know that it is. But then it's like, the physical pain takes over and I'm like, nah, screw it. No, I mean, yeah. I'll be fine. Yeah, no, as it's deserved, I feel like all of the. spotlight goes on to you, which is fine. And so it's like, I don't want to play the world's smallest violin, but like, I'm over here too, you know. No, that's why I think God designed it to be

like this. Where? It's like a partnership. Yeah, no, for sure. Because I don't think that either one could do it together or without each other. How do you feel about the unmedicated birth that's, that's a common? Is it? You've kind of flip-flops. What? When have I ever flip-flop? In the, in the room with your OB. Well, I told, so I told, I was feeling so bad. I said, she's like, how are you feeling? I was like, I feel so bad that if I went into labor right now, I don't think I could do it unmedicated because I feel so sick. You also asked for the membrane sweep. And she was like, I can't do that. Because the membrane sweep is the most effective way to go into labor. No, I know, but she'll say, eat. She's like, I'm not doing it. She's like, I'm not allowed to

yet. I was like, get in there. Sweep it. She's like, I can't do it until the next thing. You know, the membrane sweep is very. You know, the membrane sweep is very. very controversial amongst the granola, unmedicated birth moms. Gotcha. So you better be careful. But see, I don't really identify as one of them. I'm just trying not to get postpart depression. Like, I'm like, I'm like a pretty westernized medical girl.

Like, you know, I don't do the vaccines as much because those got a little sketchy. But like, I'm pretty like, like, I've been taking Tylenol. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I like to just stay educated.

I like to be like, just like, know what's going on. But yeah, the membrane sweep is very controversial because they're like everything should like come on its own time and whatever. And to me, I'm like, you know, they're just sweeping the membrane. Yeah, I don't know what it means. I don't think I want to know what it means. Yeah, it's. She actually did whenever she was checking me last week. I wasn't dilated, but she felt the baby's head.

Yeah, no for sure. She said it was really low. That's a good thing, though. That's a good thing. Um, no, so I guess you are going to do unmedicated. I'm going to try. I'm going to try. You know, I was like, the more I talk about it, though, I'm like, I'm going to be such a loser

if I don't do it. Like, this girl. The funniest thing, um, not funny, but we are very behind in terms of like the logistics of having this baby. Yeah, we don't have a bedroom for the baby. Stratton and Stella are not sleeping the same room yet. And Stratton's not potty trained. Stratton's not potty trained.

He is halfway 50%. I mean, we don't, we don't know who's filming. I've been even thinking about changing the name, you know? I go back and forth. It's like, whatever. You know, this is like just chill. We're just going to go with it, go with the flow. You know, all they need is their mama type of vibes.

Yeah. All they need is to. No name. No name. They don't need a name. They don't need a room. They don't need a crib. They just need their mama.

That's what they say. Yeah. It is kind of sad that this baby's not getting like a nursery. But they won't remember. They won't remember. I don't think that's sad at all. It's fun. It's fine.

I just feel like not. Seriously like you're going to be fine. I don't think we're logistically. They're like, my mom never gave me a nursery. I don't think we're logistically prepped for this is what I'm saying. No, I mean, but you know. And usually this is where you kind of kick it into high gear.

But I don't feel good. I know. And then I keep looking on my flow app and it's like today. you should experience a boost of energy. And I'm like, F you, flow. Like, where is that boost of energy? It's like when I looked at the app, like, a month ago. And it was like, you may be able to see a bump at this.

And I was like, like, 50 pounds, like overweight. Oh, tell them how you all did the bump measuring. So Janelle. Or maybe not, Tom, Tom. No, it's fine. It's like, whatever. Like, so Janelle and I are a week apart in our pregnancies. and at her baby shower, we played a game where you take a ribbon and you guess how big her bump is.

And whoever won got a picture frame. That's pretty epic. You know, to me it's not about the picture frame. It's just about the clout. So I was like, well, I have a major advantage. Like I know that I'm way bigger than Janelle. So I'm just going to measure my bump and take away two inches, you know? I mean, that's like two gene sizes down, you know?

And so I took the ribbon. I measured myself. I took off two inches and I was still like way bigger. We're a week apart. Did you tell anyone the real number? My number? Well, I did this thing yesterday where I accidentally, I went to the OB. It was it yesterday we went two days ago?

And I never have looked at the scale, my whole pregnancy. I saw you look at the scale. I know. I don't know what I was thinking. I don't know. It was just like a reflex. And I just like was like, I just, I don't. I'm just going to look.

You know, it was just like one of those instant, like, just a horrible thing that I did. It was. I saw it. I saw you looking. Did you see it too? No. I didn't want to know because I didn't want you to ask me if I knew. How much did you weigh when we first started dating?

Oh. I just don't know if I weighed more than you to know. Like probably like 190. Oh, no. I'm not 190. No, no, maybe like 185. I thought you were in like the 60s at a point. Oh, when I was skinny or when I was fat Jordan.

Well, Fat Jordan, you were probably weighed less because you didn't have any muscle. Oh, you know what? You might be right. I think you weighed like 168 when we first started. Maybe like 180. Yeah, but no muscle. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I did see you look and you never look. And I thought maybe that's what brought the tears. No, you know what?

I texted Ellie about it afterwards and I was like, I did the thing that we weren't supposed to do. And she was like, how do? you feel? And I was like, I don't really care. Yeah. I don't really care. But then I did see this girl yesterday and like she had this influencer trip and she took everybody to like this plastic surgeon in Los Angeles. And I was school. That's like that's like my version of porn. I look at the before and afters of plastic surgery. I'm like, wow, you can do that. Like, and I'll just look at it like all night and I don't even know these people. But, like you see their tummy go from this to this and I'm like I can't stop looking at it.

Yeah. You know? And I was like, must be nice. I mean this very sincerely. To me, you are not bigger. I know.

That's why I love you. It's so weird. Like to you, you're bigger. But like even when I look at your face, it doesn't remind me of anything different. I know what it's so funny is like then we look back like three months from now. We're like,

whoa, she was huge. We do it every time. Yeah, maybe. But you never say that I look bigger. No, I never feel it. We always look back and we're like, wow. But I do that with me too.

I'm like, I'm like whenever we first met and I was clearly not fit. I thought I was jacked. I thought you were beautiful too. In my mind, I was like, I am like so fit. I thought you were gorge. This guy. This guy with a six back. You just did that 2026 to 26.

teen thing in your feed and I was like who are these people? I don't know but I remember looking at me like he's a beautiful boy. Like I just I was obsessed. That's that's crazy. I know. That's why I truly feel like it's like okay you know when like you your friend like dates some guy or some girl and you're like yeah they're not that cute but like they think that they're like so I genuinely think it's like God makes us like adore each other.

Well, yeah, it's like a, yeah, it's like they're met, we're meant for each other. It's spirit led. It's like, it's like, but the way you look is like so attractive to me. Yeah. I know. It's so funny. I know. I feel like PMS is one of those things that women are expected to just quietly deal with.

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That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R.com. Wayfair, every style, every home. Speaking of Spirit-led, how about this story? We are sitting in a school observation on Saturday. last Saturday. God, the amount of private school observations we've been to. Which is basically like where you go and they take your kid to a mock classroom and all the parents. I love the one that we just visited.

And all the parents just kind of like hang back. So I see this guy and I'm like, I 1,000 percent recognize this guy. And I was like, Danny, who is that? And she was like, I've never seen this person in my life. I was like, babe, but you don't know him. And I was dying. I was like, I know him. I know.

You couldn't let it go. I couldn't let it go. I was like, I feel like he's like a big. deal. I was like, he's a business guy? He's a startup guy. I can't remember. So then he comes up to Danny and he's like, hey, just let you know, like my wife and I follow you. And I grab him on the shoulder. I go, hey, I know you. I was like, why do I know you? Have we met before? And he goes, well, I started this account called Preachers with sneakers. Preachers and sneakers. Preachers and sneakers. And I don't know, I think we've talked about it on this podcast. Like he eventually came out. He was a lot. He was

anonymous for a long time. Because he was like kind of savage for a little bit. So super savage. He was unhonized for a long time. It's so weird to be talking to like like it was so weird to be conversing with like a troll. Like you know. Well, sorry. He he he did he identify as a troll. We're going to have him on the podcast. No, he knows that he's a troll. Like I would tell that to I think I said that to his face. I was like you're like a hater like and I was like no he knows. That's why he like yeah i don't want to ruin the episode because he's going to come on but i will say i i go because he was just going to say hi and fly by because like i think his wife you know followed you or whatever and i go will you sit down and we sat down for like an hour and we had like a really

deep conversation about sorry before you say that can we tell people what preachers in sneakers is because they might not know oh yeah you know it is smaller than i thought yeah but but it was smaller but he like blew up in 2020. So he actually was big. His engagement was like insane. So what he did was he started posting like different pastors like all over the world and about the sneakers that they were wearing while they preached. And a lot of these sneakers are like $10,000, $5,000, $3,000.

And then he started posing like, you know, Stephen Ferdick and all these guys that would wear like a $2,000 belt or a $5,000 jacket to preach it. And so he called it preachers and sneakers because it's just like the irony of like what they were preaching about. But like meanwhile, they're wearing like a $20,000 outfit. And so it was kind of like a troll account. But he was he was always very like lighthearted about it. Like it wasn't mean. Like it wasn't mean.

It was definitely like call out culture, but it wasn't mean. And I think what he was doing like at the I think he was trying to like shed light like in a good positive way. but it started to get like, it starts to get confusing because then some pastors are like, well, I was gifted these sneakers or somebody, you know, like, what is the true heart behind the pastor? Like, what are they actually struggling with? Or do they, like, you know what I mean? Well, it gets complicated because I think that this is where it gets into two sides. Like he will say accountability is important to maintain the culture like of the church.

And then the pastors would say, hey, at what point is a. accountability becoming like destructive versus constructive or public um what do you call it like public shaming public shaming like it's public shaming the same as accountability yeah and you don't if you publicly shame someone and you don't know them or their heart then like how do you know that it's doing good yeah so then it's like i don't know and it's i i told him in person i was like you know it's so interesting what you were doing i think we've talked about it before it's such a fine line that you're walking, right? Because if you take one step to the right, you're actually probably in the wrong. Yeah. If you take one step to the left, it's kind of like, you know,

you're not actually being effective enough. So it's interesting. I want to have him on because we he told the line very well with humor. He towed the line really well with humor. It's kind of like the Babylon B where it's probably like you take a step to the right a couple times and you kind of mess up. Well, it was exactly like DiProtin, who literally destroyed my life twice. Yeah, twice. And like, so Diaprata has come after me twice. Those are like my first two cancellations. And they were like really intense cancellations because DiPrada at the time, I think,

I don't know, they had like probably millions of followers. And I had like 200,000 followers. And they came after me for like bag dupes. Yeah. Which, you know, in like I've learned a lot about like the fashion culture. But like if you're not like raised in like high fashion or whatever, like having dupes was like like just such a normal thing like you go to Walmart and you get studded you know you get Birkenstocks they look like Birkenstocks but there you don't have the logo you know and so that

was just kind of like the way that I was raised I never really thought it was like hurtful to anyone you know you'd go to Northstrom and you get the Jessica Simpson shoes that had the studs that kind of mimicked Valentino whatever so you know I was naive and I was stupid and I launched a brand that looked like designer but it didn't have the logos or anything And Diet Prada, meanwhile, is posting about Kim Kardashian, Balenciaga, you know, Prada, like all these, like, celebrities, like big multi-million billion-dollar brands. And then I'm not kidding you, that it's Danny Austin. And I'm like, literally like, this is 2018 maybe, 20, like, I don't think I had kids yet.

I wasn't. And, like, it was the craziest amount of hate like I've ever received in my entire life, like death threats like just like it was awful I started getting text messages from like literally every single person I know and it literally put me into like like I got in bed and I was like depressed for like a whole week it was horrible like I've I had just in the the word cancel cancel hadn't even like like it wasn't even a thing yet cancel culture wasn't even a thing this was like before cancel culture so this was before when it was like so new and it was so it was almost like investigative journalism it was so fresh and like people were like so like this is like this is justified and she deserves

to die and blah blah and then people were saying that I was like using um child labor in these different countries to produce all my handbags when I was really just going to the Dallas market center like when my dad works and I just picked out some bags that I like I'm not even going to lie to y'all like I was so naive that I didn't even know that some of the bags that I had chosen were dupes. Like that's how naive I was to like, because I had never, I've never stepped, at this point, I'd never step foot in like a designer, Valentino store or whatever. And so, um, so yeah, they came after me and it, it's so funny because we were actually talking about this yesterday.

It sucked. And it was like one of the lowest points of my life. And then they came after me again the second time. But, but like we talk about it and we're like, thank God that happened to us because we learned so much from that and like we were able to sharpen so much of like even when we launched divi like we had so much integrity behind every single step of the process that I feel like we would have skipped over some things if we wouldn't have gone through that cancellation and learned how like the internet and how call out culture and how people are like just they want to find like any thread

they can pull to like take you down and that's why like the science was so important the clinicals the before and after, like, like our team, everything was like so, so important to us because of that cancellation. And so it's kind of like one of the best things that ever happened to us. Also, we learned to like diversify our business so that if I ever got canceled, I don't have to yeah, that's probably the best. I still have the Valentino C-Sys and desist. Really? Yeah, it was like, wow. It's pretty badass. Like, you know, it's pretty badass. Like Valentino's like, both of them. We're like newly married, like living in this like condo. No, I mean, I was scared to death at the time. But, um,

Yeah, so why were we talking about diarrhea? I guess because he's kind of like the Christian version of diaprata. And I get the accountability and like I get, I get why it's helpful. And it was actually so helpful to me and like my own, like building my own character and integrity like in the long run. But I do have to say I don't feel like the punishment fits. the crime like for me at the time like the level of uh what like i experienced and you have to understand this was so long ago so it was just it was so intense like and i'm not kidding you like there were days i like wanted to die like i was like i don't even want to get out but like i got like all my brand deals

canceled on me like my i was so embarrassing and like i was so embarrassed that i was like i literally like i i don't want to ever show my face again like like i like i don't want to ever show my face again like like And I know that sounds so stupid because it was like diapoda like these bags. But this was just a different era of hate when like no one had gone through it before. Yeah. And it was so intense. And I don't know. I just but at the same time it's like how else would she have learned?

I know. Shame is a very powerful weapon. I know. So maybe I needed it. It's like the hardest things in your life like no matter what are the ones that like make you stronger. And I hate to admit it because it was so so painful. But like I will never do something like. that again. I know. So in a weird way it works. Yeah, so maybe he's right. That's what I'm saying.

It's like, I think that this is the interesting conversation to have with preachers and sneakers is like, I think that there's a side of what he did that was important to do because no one was doing it. And I think that these pastors, they're kind of like gods at these churches. But here's my only argument. Who checks them? But here's my only argument. It is like, Should we save this? Should we save this for when he's on? No, because I probably wouldn't tell him this stuff to his face. Oh.

I told him a lot to, he's very like sober-minded about the journey too. Like he was like, man, this journey, he was very honest that like messed him up. And he was like, I didn't know like if I was doing what was right or what was wrong. Because then they start coming after you. And so diet product actually does not exist anymore because I don't think, first of all, they couldn't, they couldn't monetize. Because all they did was go after people that were like, like, like. like doing crazy things in the fashion industry. And so then when they try to do a brand deal,

everybody's like, well, you're a seller and you suck. Like you're like a sucker for capitalism too. And so they couldn't never really do anything with their brand. And thank God they're like gone. Because they were, they were mean. They were mean, mean, mean. Yeah, he wasn't mean. He wasn't mean.

But these people were mean. He was like satirical. Satirical. Yeah. So the only argument I have is let's take away like if it worked, the shame, the blame, the public assassination, like in your heart of hearts diet prodig. Like if you feel like that's okay to go after someone else because you're so perfect

and like you lead a perfect life. Like that that's to me where I don't I don't understand. The self-righteousness. The self-righteousness. Yeah. Like I like you better be Jesus to me if you're going to like call somebody out like publicly. Like and I, that's why like I understand like, you know, maybe people wanting to do it privately or I don't I don't really understand how to do it but I just feel like the way they were doing it was like more evil than good. I think it was more for clicks and click bait and engagement and views and follows and fame than it was for like the good of the industry of the fashion industry. Well it wasn't for the so the biggest confusion I have with preachers and sneakers and I've said this publicly. I told him this in person to his face was diaprata was anonymous for a long time.

They were anonymous. Like you had to like really search with about like who was behind it. No, it was those two people behind it. Oh, okay. So they were public. Yeah. Okay. Maybe they started out anonymous.

But it's same with Dumas. Dumas. Dumas was anonymous and then she had to come out. You can't keep. If your profile grows, you can't stay anonymous. Yeah. I think the self-righteousness argument doesn't really apply if you're anonymous. Does that make sense?

But I'm saying keep it. I'm not even talking about the public. I'm talking about like the in your heart of hearts. Like when you're typing these posts up, like the self-righteousness, you genuinely have in your heart in that moment to post about somebody else. When it's the same thing when people are like, Danny, I can't believe you're not speaking about this, this, you know, thing that's happening in the world. And it's like, dude, like, why don't you go focus on yourself? Like, that's how we're actually going to change. Like, why are you so worried about what I'm doing when like you should look at your own heart?

And like, check yourself before you throw the first stone type of vibe. I get it. I get it. That's my thing is like in that so it's that's the one thing that's like hard for me now if you're like going to reach out to me here's a thing. Okay. So yeah, it probably it probably would not have worked for me like unless I was canceled. Maybe I'd still be selling do pan bags. So okay, can I remind you of one part of this story that you didn't tell? Who's the brand that like does Steve Madden? Yeah. Okay. Do you remember when like the CMO or something. something of Steve Madden walked up to you at North Park Mall and she goes, hey, don't listen to the haters. Like you're going to be making millions off those bags. No, I mean, I sold a lot of that.

Like I was killing it. No, those bags crushed it. So in reality, I do think that this is what's so confusing about the topic is, yes, I was super mad at Diet Prada and I really felt like, man, you ruined my family. Like I felt really protective over you. Like I wanted to destroy them. I wanted to hire private investigator and be like, let's see how perfect you are. but like at the end of the day, there was some good that came out of it.

Okay. So yes. That's what I'm saying. But this is so complicated about the preachers and sneakers conversation. I know. But to be honest, I feel like if you look at both of our hearts and like what we were both doing, I don't think that God is like more proud of diaprata or preachers and sneakers and was like, wow, you're really pursuing.

like my kingdom and this is exactly how I'd want you to do it. Like then he would be at me. Like that's that's where I'm kind of like yes, it worked and like it all like it like it like it all worked out and it's all great. But yeah, maybe I would still be selling my dupin bags if I wasn't called out by diet Prada. But hopefully if I was like pursuing God and had like community and like I would have come to that conviction myself. I don't know. I just feel like you're putting a lot on the line if you're calling people up because it's like you're like to me that's telling God like I know that I'm better than them so I'm

going to call them out. No, I get it. I don't know. It's just to me it's like it's why I get so scared about like pastors like in general. Just like the way like I'm like, oh, this is so scary. like the weight that you have as a pastor like where you're teaching all these people these things it's like you better be living these out like it scares me that's why i'm like i don't have a pastor you know i think that's why like humility is so important yeah and i but don't you agree

that if you had humility you wouldn't be publicly shaming people because you like i i genuinely could not publicly shame someone babe because like i know that i've been really shitty no No, no, that's like, I'm like, I'm like, if I call you out, then you're going to come looking for me. And I've done some shitty things too. And like, that scares me. But I think that that's why this conversation with preachers and sneakers is so interesting because I, I don't want to like tell his story for him. But like, I feel like that's what he came to realize. I feel like his journey of why he no longer wanted to do it was it was it was kind of. We don't know that. We don't know it. But like, you know, in the conversation. He might be like, no, this is exactly what like Christianity needs.

Yeah, he might be like, I'm going to use this podcast to reboot it. No, I mean, so anyway, I think we should just have the episode with him. I think it's so fascinating. I think that there's a, there's, it's a very tricky subject, but this same subject applies to like investigative journalists. It applies to, you know, um, it's hard. Uh, diet prodig. It applies to all like, it applies to like Reddit haters.

It's like, it's like this fine line between accountability and like, self, righteous, shaming. I don't know. If Jesus were here right now, what do you think he would say? To who? To you?

Just about like all this stuff. I don't know. There's something that doesn't. What about, yeah. I don't know. I don't know if he'd be like, yeah,

you get up on that Instagram and you called all those people. I think he'd be like, I think you need to worry about yourself, Jordan Amaris. Probably. Because I think he'd be like until.

Hey, like, let's talk about the log in your eye. Yeah, or let's, yeah, the throwing the stone thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, until you're perfectly clean, like, let's worry about you. Don't you think that's how we, as a faith or as a community become better is like when we focus on ourselves? Yes. Don't you feel like calling out people just actually creates, like, chaos and ego and self-righteousness? Yeah, I mean.

Publicly. publicly shaming people, maybe not calling them out. Because I do believe it's like good to call somebody out. I just honestly, I think people in power, I'm going to be honest. I think that people in power, whether that's financial power or audience power like a pastor, I think it takes something like public shaming to get them to listen. But that's like acting like God isn't righteous. Like don't you think they're going to face their judgment day?

Like yeah. What they did? Yeah. I do. Like why do you feel so convicted to make them pay or to call them out when like that's what I feel like God will do one day? Maybe maybe the mindset is protecting what you believe the church should look like.

But do you think these people are really doing that or do you think they like the likes? I don't know. Let's ask him. Do you think they get a little? Let's ask him what he thought he was doing. Yeah, I think we all get him. hits from likes. That's what I, that's, I think we're all human. So I think that what Jesus, what it is. It's like if you love fashion, then be a fashion blogger. If you love trolling, then be a troll. It's hard because I don't know if you should be in this precher's

interview. I know. I think you're too, you haven't really processed this whole diet prodig. I have too. That was like 10 years ago. But listen, Preachers and Sneakers is not diet Prada. You can't come into this episode acting like he's Diet Prada. Do you need to not be in the interview? Wait, what do you mean? I do like he's diet product. You're basically you're, okay, what you're doing is you're putting Diet Prada and preachers and sneakers in the same category of accounts of like, they are. But like one is about something super superficial and is like a very like egotistical culture. It was their religion to them. Like fashion is like their religion. I know. But like one is like.

like one has to do with something superficial and worldly like fashion, which I understand it was their religion and it was their artistry. And so that's why they were so egotistical about it. But like the other is slightly different because it has to do with like salvation of souls like shepherding the flock, etc. So you can't. I understand. I understand how you feel. But like if we do this episode, like you've got to be able to separate them. Maybe I shouldn't be there. I don't think you should be there. I'm going to be on. I think this should be a Jordan episode.

Maybe you should do this on my maturity leave. I think this should be a Jordan episode because I, I, I really genuinely see the complexities and the nuances that he was trying to navigate. And that's the episode that I want to come out is for him to be able to like, walk us through. Well, no. I'd be like, oh, you think you're better than me. Exactly. Exactly.

And I don't think he thinks he's better than you. Well, I don't know. And I don't, I don't. I don't. I don't know if he thinks he's better than the pastors that were wearing the sneakers. I don't know, but I would want to know. And I would want to know, what did you think back in 2020 when you were popping off and everyone was supporting, you know, your sort of like mission? And then how do you feel now after looking back?

That's such an interesting episode. Okay. Because it, one thing that came to light, I think, in our conversation over the hour that we had with him in person was that in the same way that we have. learned so much about ourselves by navigating public shaming and DMs and the internet, he also did that, you know? And he was not the same person as when he started the account as when he ended the account. Yeah, yeah. And now he doesn't do the account. And it's like, why? What did you learn from that? And what do you think our role as believers is in accountability to the pastors? Okay, my only agree, I won't be in it as long as you reach out to diaprata

next. No, no way. People eat us alive. that's just such a different conversation because our value systems are so different. I'm teasing. Like they don't, we're like so far, we have such a far gap in terms of like what. They're not even doing anymore. Is right. Yeah. But like listen, one last thing.

Can you imagine, let's say, I don't know who the diet product people are. I don't even know. You can Google them. They're like everywhere. Well, I don't really care to. But like, let's just say like they're older. They're in their late 30s. They now have two kids.

you know, do you really think they're going to look back on what they did and be like that was like a good thing? No, yeah, for sure. Really? 100%. I just look back at every. It's the same people that are like, I need for you to speak out against what I feel or what I want. It's it is their way of contributing. It's their way of feeling like they're making a difference.

And I think they'll justify it until the day they die. Anytime I've ever been self-righteous in my life, typically when I was younger, I look back and I cringe because I was like, you idiot. Like you have no idea. Can you think of an example? I'm trying to think of an example. They're all like really small examples. I mean. Sometimes I feel like I struggle like even within my own friend group or community of like being honest with people.

Like if they did mess up or something because I'm so scared that they'll turn around and be like, well, you've been. shitty friend too. I'm like, so then I just don't say anything. I'm like, yeah. There I, I, there are a few that I feel like probably more comfortable with,

but, um, so like maybe I need to be like, I don't know. See, that gives me the ick. Yeah, I'm like still like not confrontational.

No way you can be in this episode. This is going to be a Jordan episode. I'll do, I'll do, I'll do right by you. Don't worry. Okay. Um,

you know, you know I'll love taking a week off. Yeah, you take a week off. I'm going to introduce them. We'll get them on next week. That'd be great. That'd be great.

Especially as I get more pregnant and I can't breathe. Yeah. The other thing I wanted to talk about today is also, I don't, was that dark? That wasn't a dark conversation, right? No. Or you say, was it me? Huh? It was me.

No, no, no. You think I went too dark. No, I think you were just, no, I don't think. So you don't even agree with anything I said? No, I do agree with what you said. It just, it was really personal. for you. Okay.

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Sorry, can you reword that? More companies laid off employees in January. I know, even like some of my friends were reaching Anthony Singh of Divi was hiring because they're getting rid of a lot of people. Yeah, I just. Oh, no. No, my fear, here's my real fear is that if you're a not. knowledge worker. So graduate, graduate from Stanford coming out of like, you know, good school. You did everything right. Yeah. You're coming out and like typically, even if you're hired to like a good

organization, like let's say you go big four consulting, you're doing pretty remedial like data work or administrative work and you're kind of like learning how it works, but you're doing a lot of the grunt work. And the grunt work is what's getting automated out. Yeah. And so it's like, like, so then these these companies just like thinking from a capital, you know, capitalism standpoint, they don't need to hire the grunt workers. So then you've got these excess college grads. Then what's also happening is that middle management is being able to be let go because you can automate even a lot of the analysis of the data now. Yeah. And so then what you have is you have a lot of like VP senior director level talent being let go and they're in the marketplace willing to work for

less because they have a family of four to support than the entry level employees. And I just don't see how this goes well. I'm going to be honest. Do you see that because you run divvy and you see like how. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you see the gaps of where like you're like, oh, AI could be used there or it could be used there. It's helped us solve problems that we've been stuck on for six months. Yeah. And, you know, like the way that it's like every day is like they're shipping new features to either Claude or Open AI. And now they have what's called like last night they launched Open Frontier, which is basically like you can spin up your new, your own agents, which are fully AI bots to do like remedial task work.

work like I just don't see how this this goes. I really don't. The best people I think right now are blue collar. Yeah. Or trade school type of individuals. Yeah. Because but then these robots come out and I'm like I just don't, I genuinely don't see how this plays out. And it feels like it's happening so fast.

I know. that like it's almost like people could go on a paternity leave or mat leave and then come back and the world's totally different. Yeah. It's going to take a lot. And it's sad because then they go on a maternity leave, pat leave and they're like not even up to date with how it's being run because it changes so fast. I feel like I am, I genuinely feel like I am the one of the most up to date people in my friend

group. Like I think I know. I just spend so much time. reading. I have like a really good rhythm of every night. Like I read these like specific newsletters, these specific blogs, these specific feeds on Twitter. And I feel overwhelmed that I'm behind. Okay. I tell you something that was so creepy and crazy that I did is like I've been really obsessed with makeup tutorials lately. Like it's like whenever I start to slow down like I love watching a makeup tutorial and like trying to copy the look. It's like my favorite thing to do. And I found

this girl that I like really like she's so good at makeup like was teaching like so well she's so cute she was an AI girl no way and I'd been following her yes wait show me uh she's blonde wait she didn't have like a lot of followers or anything but she just popped up on my feet as like a really good tutorial what yeah um and then so she keeps popping up for me and I honestly like sometimes when she pops up I can't remember if she was the AI girl or like like at first when I see I would see her like in like the background of pictures or like she would just be there and I was like is that the AI girl that I was that I knew about or what it was so weird but like the only thing is is like I was following her more for like

the information not for her life yeah you know like I was like more like looking for um let's see if you can find her she's really pretty that makes sense she's too pretty to be like normal person. But here's the thing as you're pulling that up. It's like, okay, so you fast forward. So then no one, there aren't enough jobs to go around to meet the needs of the people who need jobs. And all of the power is consolidated to like what at that point? Like 500 companies, whether you're like a data center or your open AI. And they're not really having to hire as many employees. So like do we move away from capitalism? Well that's why Theo Bonn always talks about universal basic income. Yeah but that would make me like depressed like I don't want a universal

basic income. So that's the biggest I think that's one of the biggest constraints with like isn't that kind of like socialism a little bit? I think it's more like socialism right? Like I don't want to feel like everybody else. Well I want to feel like I bring a different value to the world. I know. So so when they talk about it, they're like, yeah, like people could be not having to work, but then it's going to take away their purpose. So then what's going to make us human? So then it's like suicide and like depression going to skyrocket. Probably. I just don't know. Like I don't usually buy into the headlines of like, hey, I was going to eat the future.

But like, I'm like, okay, I don't. Maybe it's the antichrist. I don't really see how this plays out. I really don't. Yeah. I mean, if you're like an What advice would you give to people right? It's one of the best times to be an entrepreneur builder of a company. It's one of the worst times I feel like to be an employee of the company. So what advice would you give to somebody that's like an employee at, you know, been working at a company for and they're doing the marketing?

Like I would say like right now the advice I would have is rapid adoption of all of these tools. Like I feel like the employees that are like, yeah, I used Claude to do this. have an edge because then you know, like, you know, I'm not having to check your work, like, with the super intelligence. It frustrates me when people don't use it because they're like too, they're like, stubborn. Yeah, yeah. It frustrates me.

I'm like, just use it. Like, just do it. Like, because you're going to become more valuable if you learn how to use it in a smart way. Because the biggest issue is like all these tools are available, but where I feel overwhelmed as like a founder is like when you have a company the size of Divi is like, I'm like, how do I even integrate this at the course? cultural level of the company.

Well, I think if you just encourage everyone to use it, like in any way that they find useful, because, like, you don't even know the use cases of, like, how they could be using it. But, like, I had a friend reached out to me yesterday who's trying to start her own business, and she sent me, you remember those, like, Amy Porterfield, like, master classes that used to, like, buy all the time. And it would teach you, like, it would teach you, like, how to sell masterclasses or courses online or whatever it is. she was going to buy like a course to help grow her business to teach master classes online.

And it basically offers all these services. And one of them was like $20,000 a month. One was $16,000 a month. There was like another one for $6,000 a month. And like I was talking to you about it. I was like, do you feel like it's a good investment on her part so that she can launch her own business? Yeah.

And you were like, why doesn't she just take all the things that they say that they offer and say, hey, AI, can you do this for me for, for? free and then it basically could do that all for her for free. Like I don't know. It's just, yeah, but to me, that makes me sad because like I like working with people. So like, because I'm a very like collaborative person. I don't like making decisions on my own. Like you can ask my team, I do not make one decision on my own. Like I, even if I know I like something like and I love it, I will still ask them if they like it just so I can get the affirmation. And if they don't like it, I'll still do what I want to do. But like, I'm very, because that makes me happy to,

like, collaborate. And so, like, if she were to use AI instead of, you know, hiring this team out of New York that she could fly and visit and it's exciting and she's working with them collaboratively in person, like, to me, that's depressing. Yeah, no. I think that you will, like, companies will still need people, but instead, like, instead of needing 25, they're going to need, like, five. I know. So that's where I think, like, you're just going to create, I'm just worried about families getting pushed into a state of desperation and the gap widening between the haves and the half-knots. Yeah.

That's like, because that's what creates historically civil unrest. Maybe you should ask AI what you should do if you're in one of those roles. Yeah. I mean, everyone should, everyone should be using it for sure. Yeah. I use it sometimes. I know. I asked yesterday I said, why do I have a tummy ache?

It's like you ate three churros. Yeah, you ate three churros, Danny. That would be crazy whenever it like will sink up with like your aura ring. It probably does that. No, it does. It's like, well, Danny, like we saw what you ate. No, like. I kind of want one of those toilets that like, you know.

What? Have you heard of them? The badeas. No, the avon talks all the time. Uh-uh. The toilets that like take your stool or whatever. whatever and it will like tell you like what is like missing from your diet and like what and it will oh really that why not i mean no it's a cool idea it's a daily thing it will tell you like hey you need

to eat more fiber or like you ate too much sugar or like whatever like that's so cool yeah i mean i mean it's cool yeah i just everybody's gonna have it one day i'm saying yeah no it's true it's true okay well this was uh we had to keep the episode short because i have to go get my hair highlighted because it's the last time I'm going to go in before getting my baby. Before I get my baby. So, but this was a good deep episode. This is a good deep episode. And then next week.

Preachers, don't hate me. What does it again? Brian, David. Ben. No, he won't. I don't think you said anything mean about him. No, I imagined he was sitting there the whole time I was talking. He can take it.

No, he can take it. He's creatures and sneakers. No, he can take it. I just, um. Yeah, like, don't dish it if you can't take it. Just kidding. I feel like you're like, no, no, it's so embarrassed by me.

No, I'm not embarrassed by you. I just, I want, I want him to have his chance. I know. Babe, I love him. Y'all are both three. I know. I think that that's also why you shouldn't be in this episode because every other three that you meet, like J.D., who used to work for us, like every other three you meet,

you're like, I know you. I know what you're about and I know how you think, so don't even try and fool me. I know. That's what I feel about this guy. 100%. That's why you need me. Okay, we love you guys. We'll talk to you later. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.