De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - Love, Chaos, and the Hot/Crazy Scale Explained

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

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The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello, and welcome back to your favorite podcast, D-influenced. Don't worry, he's back. Somebody left a comment this morning was like, Danny, don't you ever take him away from us for three months ever again? I think it was two months. I took myself away. Yeah, I did it.

I know. I was like, wait, that was my fault? Also. Always blame it on the female. I'm just kidding. Sorry, I listened to a podcast this morning about, wait let me read the title just because i have to admit like it was modern wisdom like you know one of my favorites

and the podcast was called um how to fix the culture of emasculated men which i was like oh like okay interesting like literally world's smallest violin when i was listening and like you know i have three sons and so like i have three sons and so like i I, of course, I'm like, yes, like men stand up and lead and be amazing. Like, you know, I'm, I'm like, I'm like a feminist in a very, like, conservative way when it comes to feminism. Yeah. Like, I'm all about, like, working and leading and all this stuff. Except I don't think that a female should be president.

Yeah, we talked about that. But, um. TBD on whether, did you get. It's just too emotional. Like, you know, if you watch the movie that we talked about last week, you know, I mean. Like Putin's being such a douche. right now. Like, just bomb him.

Sorry, too much. But, like, oh my gosh, this podcast, you know, just having two dudes talk about how men are just like so underval. I was like, oh, my God. Like, literally, we just started being able to vote. And like, don't be wrong. I get it. Like, I do get it.

But this, the way that they were talking about it, I was just like, but they felt so validated talking about it together. And I was just like, no. So hold on. So the podcast was about emasculated men. Yeah, I didn't finish it. Culturally. Which is a thing.

No, for sure. For sure. It's for sure a thing. Like, I think we can talk about that without complaining about it. Sure. But what was their, what was their take on how men have been emasculated? Like what were examples they're showing of emasculated men? just that like the suicide rates are like so much higher for men and um like the ratio like basically

what's it called when you only choose a certain demo to get into a college oh um affirmative action yes yes like for men is so much lower now it's like females are always prioritized it's like the pendulum swung to like one side and now men are like totally it's like harder for them for a lot of things um oh like to start a company to like be an entrepreneur it's like the odds against men are so much higher and um and then they're like you know I just don't get it like I don't get why you know we can talk about female mental health but like we can't talk about male mental health and I was like well maybe if you look at like the past 200 years maybe you'll understand Like, like, and I'm, you know, I'm not, you're punishing us.

No, I just like, like, like literally stop complaining. This is retribution. You know, you know, it's going to take a while for the pendulum to swing back in the middle. And like, I, I just think that we can talk about it, acknowledge, like, how hard it's been for some females and also acknowledge how it is hard. But like, I don't know, they're just like kind of complaining, like a bunch of wussies. And I was like, this isn't attractive. and you guys are acting emasculated. The way you're talking, you're like,

I don't know, it sounds like you're highlighting the problem, though. It was kind of getting me the ick. So what you're saying is they shouldn't have been talking about their feelings. No, I was just like stop complaining about, like complaining. This is kind of what they're saying.

They're like, where is the safe space other than this podcast to talk about our weaknesses and our feelings? There's really not. Like, you just need to be quiet. That's what I was saying. Yeah, you're acting out of saying. That's what I'm saying.

That's exactly what it is. I'm just trying to play a devil's ab kit and like this is kind of what they were saying. Yeah. It gives you guys. Yeah, I'm definitely a hater. I'm a hater. It gives you guys the ick when men try and talk about their feelings. But then, but then you're also, I think society's also saying like you can't be this like brooding like, you know, man.

Like they've kind of like taken masculinity down a couple of notches. So you can't be too wussy and you can't be too masculine. So I think it's kind of like, okay, well, like, what's this middle ground? Yeah, I think females. Seems like a little bit of a moving target. It kind of feels like females have had for years. Have had since the, yeah, since day one. And so, I don't know, I just like, like I get it, but I just feel like your time's not here yet.

Yeah. Okay. The male movement isn't, it's not here just yet. Like, I really think we need to figure out how to like not tax tampons. and just provide like better child care for moms and maybe figure out how to like, you know, be able to have a one income home so that moms can stand home and raise their kids. Like we can't even buy a house without the mom doing 18 things at once. Well, you had that and then you guys got all feminist.

We never had that. Single income homes and then it was like, I'm a boss. Yeah, because why do you think that we had to do that? It's because we can't afford houses anymore. You can't afford anything. And so. Yeah, no, no, no, I agree. I agree.

There's, you have to do it now, but there was a time. Yeah, but I don't think that, that, that time was pretty unhealthy. It was like you just, Susie Betty, stay at home and make some, some, you know, a cake when I get home at night and you just stay home and look pretty. True. You know, that's also not like, that was, that was pretty. Yeah. Yeah, it was not good. And then men just went out to work and, like, just drank all day, you know?

And like, Danny's, Danny's understanding of that era is Madden. Yeah, Danny's understanding of that era. It's Donald Draper. I'm telling you. It's just straight madman.

Okay, you have to admit, though, like even within our families, like our grandparents, like Goey, my grandma, that was the culture. Like, my grandpa was an alcoholic, left every day, sold cars. Like literally just gambled all of his money away. And then Goey stayed at home and raised the kids and cooked. That's true. Like, that's so many people's stories. That's fair, yeah.

So I just, I get it. Don't get me wrong. I just, it's like, I just, it's like we need to acknowledge both sides of the coin. Yeah, let's let them in suffer for a little bit longer. Yeah, I think so. A couple more decades, just so they learn their lesson. Let us have a little, a few more Kendra Scott's pop up, some more. And then we'll give them a mama bear hug.

We'll give them a mom a bear hug. We'll give them a bit, I'm so sorry, now you know how it feels. Like, you know? Yeah. And I'm also kind of in this like moment because I've also had four pregnancies in five years. years. And I'm like, you'll never understand. Like, you'll never understand. It's so hard. It's so hard. I'm like, start crying. I'm like, yeah, it's, it's really tough. And so I think I'm really, like, I'm leaning more feminists these days. But when my boys start to kick her up, you know,

and like, my boys start, like, getting her jobs. Your feminism is, like, temporary in the sense that by Thursday it'll be gone. So true. But it's not good. gone. It's just like I'm not as aggressive. Yeah, you're not as aggressive. You just really were triggered by these men complaining on this podcast. Next time I listen to two females complaining on a podcast, I'm going to say, I am, it gives me the ick that these girls are just sitting here talking about their feelings, world's smallest violin. I know, but you know it's so funny if you said that, I like don't care. Oh, really? No. Oh, I'd get so much hate. But I don't care. Like, I don't care what you think. Like, we're going to do it anyway. You know? Like, I'm like, no.

Yeah, well, these guys are going to do it anyway too. Okay, good for them. It just gives you the ick. Okay. Who cares? Okay. Do you think there's a problem with masculinity and culture? Yeah, for sure.

No, that's why I listened to it. I was really interested in what they had to say, and I really, I do think that... Who is the guest? The guest was, let me read the little synopsis. I guess Joe Rogan. Yeah, oh my gosh. Scott Galloway is a professor of marketing at the... Oh, Scott Galloway was the guest?

At the New York University Stern School business, a public speaker, entrepreneur, and an author. Why are so many young men struggling today? Oh, this is one that like really got me. I really don't like that guy. Okay, this is one that really got me. I think this is where it like sent me over the edge. They were talking about dating.

And they were saying something about like how hard it is for like men to date and I was like I wanted to jump through the screen and slap you. I mean it is so much harder for females to date right now. Men have like men have a bajillion choices and they're on the apps and they're just going from one to the next and da-da-da-da. But then what they they started talking about was like it's just like not fair because like you know like if Beyonce worked at McDonald's like Jay-Z would still marry her. But if Jay-Z worked at McDonald's like Beyonce would have never married him. Okay, hold on.

I see what they're saying. I see it. No, I get it too. I get what they're saying. Like, it matters more of what men do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, no female's going to marry. Yeah, they're looking for much more from men than I think men maybe are looking for.

What's not fair is like, what if you're a girl is not that cute? Anywhere can make don't. And that's what I'm saying. It's tough. It's tough out here. Like, it's, it's, it's, That's where I would have been. I'm speaking for the rest of us.

We don't all look like Beyonce. Yeah, okay. Then you're really in trouble. So what's the solution here? I don't know. I didn't listen to a little thing because I had quite the busy morning. I did do my cat face this morning. Oh yeah.

Have we talked about that? The fact that I haven't. No, we haven't. I just thought we could do the whole podcast with you with catface. Oh, okay. So it's Halloween. I'm a cat today. Brow.

Brow. Today this morning, I'm a conservative cat. Tonight I'll be a sexy kid. Are you going to do cat woman? Sexy kitten. Yeah, no, it's really not sexy. I'm like pregnant in a body suit. It's not that cute.

But yeah, I am going to be a cat woman. Why? I just wondered if you were going to... If you were going to go with that one. The way you're looking at me, it's like it hurts you to look at me. It's like you're... in pain looking at my face. I actually, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No, no. I'm actually just thinking about if you're going to wear the catwoman outfit because every time you wear it, you, your, your crotch is pretty visible. Oh, you tell me this now. Well, we've, we discovered it in the video and I was good. Wait, we did? You didn't tell me that. Yeah, no.

You said it. No, I didn't. That's why I said, are you wearing sexy catwoman? And then you were like, yeah. Are you going to wear it tonight? I, now I know you don't want me to. No, I do want you to. No, you don't want me to.

You don't want my crotch out. I know, I know, not. And I, you know what, Jordan, I wish you would have said this probably 48 hours ago when I could have ordered something new. But no, I did not realize that about my crotch. You did not say anything. Yeah, it's going to be great. How bad was it? I need to look at the video.

Watch the video. And I posted the video. Did anybody say anything? No. Wait, so you're, oh, babe, no, honey. No, honey. I'm not wearing the dress one. Oh, okay.

No, I'm wearing the body suit one. I'm sorry. I was so confused because I was like, you knew that your crotch was out. I made so many jokes about it. I thought you were talking about Cameltoe. No, crotch out. No, no. Oh, thank God.

Because that's all I have to wear. No, I've never used those words in my life. Well, you said crotch out because I knew you didn't want to use the CT word. No, no, no, you're good. You're good. I was wondering how we got on two different pages there. I know me too and I was like, why are you just not telling me this? No, that, that was, being, being,

that was, from the feminist. From the feminism podcast. Yeah, I, you're already having this energy like of like, like, like men right now. And I was like, oh, man, maybe that's what came out. Babe, you know, I'm just like putting on a frown. Oh, I know. I know.

You love me. Yeah. You, you're the perfect man. You're not emasculated or too feminine. Correct. Or too masculine. Too masculine or too feminine. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um, no, like. This one, no. Yeah, that one is your crotch is everywhere. That's the one you were talking about. Yeah, yeah. No, babe. I'm this one. The other one's, that one's for Cabo.

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You don't remember? Someone had said that the third trimester was hard, but I thought we were good until the baby came and then there would be a little bit of postpartum stuff. So what happens? But I thought we were in the clear for the rest of the time. So we're technically in the clear when it comes to like the like depression, the sleeping all the time, the exhaustion. But what happens is you get so big that your body hurts.

Got it. So then you're just exhausted because like you're literally just like 40 pounds heavier than you usually are. Okay. So if you can imagine putting on 40 pounds of weight right now, like think about how differently you would move through the day. Yeah. But it's like mentally you're still good.

The blues are gone. The blues are gone. But then you're just also like at the end of every day, you're like please run my feet, like rub my back like I'm hurting. So right now I'm not really hurting because I've only gained whatever I've gained you know I'm not like totally there yet yeah we went to dinner with another couple who also got surprise pregnant with their fourth should you tell them what happened yes and I was like we literally went to dinner with them because they had the exact same age kids and also

surprise got pregnant so just so you all know like what how I met her is she DM'd me and was like I have I'm gonna have four kids under five too and I was like hey do y'all want to be friends you gonna go to dinner. Like, so just, you know, like, I meet friends all the time for my DMs or, like, out and about, like, because people that typically follow me are very normal people. Like, they're just, like, average, like, you know, normal. And so, but it was crazy. So when I applied to her, found out that her husband used to be my neighbor.

But he was, like, seven years older, so I never knew him. Yeah. So anyway, like, I was like, okay, they're, like, super normal because, like, you know. So we went to dinner with them, and I had no idea, like, she was. just was pregnant with her fourth. She has kids the same exact age as me as our as our kids. And, um, but I didn't know their story. I was like, you know, it's crazy that we're pregnant. It's crazy. We found out at dinner that he had had a vasectomy and still got pregnant. They said it is a 0.05% chance. It's 1 and 50,000. Yeah, no, I, it was funny because I actually

started the story and I was like, yeah, man, we were using condoms and like, turns out there's a failure rate and he was like, well, I have one better. I had a vasectomy and I go, no. And he was like, I had a panic attack. I was like, that was my solution. What do you mean? You got pregnant with a vasectomy? And he was like, yeah, what happened was I got it and then apparently can reattach. And so he was like, I went back to the doctor and the doctor was like, ah, bummer. He was like, I'll do it for free if you want me to do it again. And I was like, don't go to that doctor. Give me that doctor's name. And I will never go to that doctor. I think sometimes you just can't help it. You can't, yeah, maybe. You can't help it, but I cannot imagine, I thought we were shocked. I cannot imagine the shock that they felt.

No, because she also got pregnant. She got pregnant when I think her one-year-old, so like she was probably like seven or eight months postpartum, like when she got pregnant with her fourth. And I think, and we were like four months of postpartum, doesn't matter, no matter what. Like if you're not planning it, it's going to be shocking, you know? And so yeah, but like also. Also, we were, but like also. there's a really small percentage that happens with with condoms. So we're both kind of like they're both of our babies are like kind of like miracle babies. Miracle babies like just us sitting here playing God. No, but do you remember how like somebody prophesied over me to my mom when I was really little and said I was going to be a mother to many? I know. My, my greatest fear is that the bisectives of the condens will never work for you.

I was really thinking about this last night and I almost had this I had this like intrusive thought. And I almost told you it, but then I didn't. And the intrusive thought was all of our kids were watching a show. And it was calm in the house. We have three. So we don't have our fourth yet. And my intrusive thought was I was like, maybe we should have a fifth. And then I was like, no.

But then I was like, but then if I get a vasectomy, that doesn't work. So like where can I escape? You can't. You can't escape. Like, I'm going to have to get you a chastity belt or something. Like there's no, there's no escaping. Okay, TMI, but I think the pullout method works best. That's the only thing that's ever worked for us.

It's possible. It's just less fun. I know, I know. Anyway, I do think that, like, I'm actually not closed off to a fifth baby. It's just, I wouldn't, wait, can you just stop for a second? Just like, wait, like take a deep breath. I haven't finished my sentence. I know, but it's.

Just look up, look up. Get your head back in the game. It genuinely creates panic. No, I know, but just. Take a deep breath and through the nose out through the mouth. Okay. Not anytime soon. I'm saying two or three years down the road.

Maybe I'm 35, 36. And I'm like, let's just throw one more in there. But all the other kids are so old that we don't have to worry about nobody choking except for the newborn. Yeah. It's a totally different thing. And then like the other older kids are like you got them figured out they're like on their carpool schedules. they're like, they're in their after-school activities. They're all kind of settled.

Yeah. And then you add in a baby. I can see myself doing that. I do think I still am going to get the vasectomy. That's okay. I think I'm going to get the vasectomy and then I'm going to use condoms as well. It will do the plot method. And we'll do the plot method.

And I'll track my cycle. The triple threat trio. I'll track my cycle too because that one actually is super reliable. like very reliable. Yeah. So we just, we're going to kill it all. Okay.

All right. Don't be scared. Deal. Don't be scared. Yeah, so I went, did I talk about why my face was like this? I can't remember. No, it's Halloween.

Trying to see a brain. No, I had a drink or treat with the kids. Yes. Our kids are getting to this age that, like, I always wondered if there was something wrong with us as parents. But like when our kids were like two or three, when we left the house,

They were like, bye, like peace. Like, see, I didn't really miss us. Like, never cried. Y'all, when we left for that date night with that couple, I have never seen Stella act like this before. I mean, you would have thought that she was like. You were going to war. Like, I was going to war or she was being tortured.

Like, our nanny that was watching her when we went to dinner. We also went to dinner at 7.30. So it was like bedtime anyway. Yeah. And when we left, I mean, she. She was ballistic. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen. She was like, don't leave, mommy, don't leave, mommy.

Like screaming from like her ins. It was horrific. And then we left finally because, you know, they say the best thing to do, like, when that happens is just like, we like get it over with. And then Jordan, if we get to the car and it's like, oh, I forgot my keys inside. I'm like, oh my gosh, we have to do this all over again. So he goes back and said, I was like, this is the one time that you forget, keys. That is so true. But that same thing happened today at Trunker Treat when I went to

see Stella and Stratton. Like I saw Stella first and when I saw when I said by to her, she was like cool. She was with Evangeline and like her friends. And then when I said by to Stratton, I mean he went ballistic. The teacher had to like pry him off of me. And you know, like there's part of me that's like I'm such a badass mom like they love me so much. But then there's also a part of me that's like it's so so sad did you talk to uh i don't want to say his name did you talk to oh no i don't know all the stories with that kid well he hits stratton you got to him i actually got my little hands on him he's like three yeah every every morning stratton says does he hit him just stratton or hit oh i talked to the teacher apparently

apparently apparently hit in everyone yeah that's the thing it just You know what, babe, it's good for them. It's good for them. It's good for Shretton. Like, you've got to learn how to, first of all, he's taking Jiu-Jitsu. So, like, you know. Well, taking Jiu-Zits, it's, that's a stretch. Daddy is bear crawling and Stratton is watching.

Yeah, yeah. I'm, I'm taking Jiu-Zitsu with five-year-olds. And I'm hoping that Stratton comes in emulates. No, it's, it's good. We always talk about this. Adversity and hard things are good for our children. We cannot protect them, and I'm not going to be the mom that goes up there. I'm going to say,

Stratton, you have a little talk with Pete. You punch him back. No, you do, honestly. You know it. That's what I did. I just hit it for the basketball court. I know he's playing, but he has started punching me in the face. And I feel like we need to talk about it.

Oh, yeah, no punching the face like ever. No, like it's... The private parts in the face are not okay ever. No, I know. We've tried to have conversations. But when he puts on Spider-Man, he just, he thinks he's Spider-Man. He genuinely close-fit. Like we'll punch you.

Like dual fist, one, two, punch in the face. That's pretty good though. No, I honestly, that's why I don't really stop him immediately. I'm like, that's pretty good. Like, beat me up. I'm like, good job, bud. Do you realize like the, so they, they basically do like rough time almost every day now. And Stratton will put on a superhero costume and like just be like,

rough time and like just charge after Jordan. Like, do you realize that he literally thinks you are the coolest person in the world? right now. I know. Like when you get to play with your dad and your dad like flips you on the bed and like thrashes you down, you're like, my dad is so strong. Like my dad is such a big man and like my dad will protect everyone. He's basically Batman.

Like, you know how cool he thinks you are right now? It is so crazy though. Like, you know, because I wrestle with Stella and Stratton and Stella's like, she's big now. Like she's tall. It's like you push her and you're like kind of scared about like. her head jerking, you know. Well, no, I'm saying, like, when they both start wailing on me, like, they kind of got me. And when I have three boys that are going to be, like, seven to ten, like, I know.

Like, I need to start bulking. Like, they're going to jack me up. I know. It's crazy. But that'll be something sweet for you all to do is work out together. I know. I don't think you can start working out until you're, until after 30. though. I feel like I read that.

Jordan, you can work out when you're three. Like lift weights? No, but like take them to the park and do push-ups and do jiu-jitsu. No, I mean that stuff, but what I'm saying is like weights. But no, but babe, you're not going to go like, that's going to be way down the road. Like you need to take them to the park and like do races and like jumping stuff and sports. Stella was driving her little pink car. I know.

It always gives me a heart attack when Stella's behind the wheel. No, she, I mean, she is reckless. It's so scary. She's reckless as a driver. She thinks it's like a four-wheeler. Yeah, she's reckless. But she, we, I mean, we drove it for probably like half a mile and Stratton just ran next to her for a half a mile straight. Like, I actually think that he's, he's scared it in the car with her.

He's got the VOT, he's got the Danny VOT 2 Max. I can see it. I don't think I have it. No, you don't for sure. No, no. But I love you. But he probably has like, yeah, I think he has my VOT2 max. but he has like your limbs whatever that's true he runs like like floppy and then stella's out there

running and she's like like perfect form gosh it's funny summits the athlete i don't know what i can't figure out someone's personality i really can't like i can't i could tell what stella was when she was serious. I could tell what Stratton was born, or what he was when he was born, Goofy. Summit. And y'all, Stratton also is not, he's not only goofy. He is the sweetest boy in the world. He's like, any time that Stella is crying because she wants something, Stratton will like literally give you the shirt off of his back just to make you happy because he doesn't like when people are upset. But he also is like the kid that's like when we're punishing him and we're like, Straten, like don't touch that the table again.

Like don't touch whatever. And they'll just look at you and be like, and touch it and be like, like, hmm, like, and he just like laughs. And then relapse because it's like so silly. Like it's, he's not doing anything harmful. He's just trying to like be goofy. Summit, I can't figure him out. I think he's probably an in-between.

I think he's more like Stella. If he's leaning one way, I think he's more like Stella. But he's also very happy. It's always smiling, always laughing. Still, I never smiled. No, Scylla never smiled. She was a very angry baby. Very angry, very serious baby.

Oh, she used to scare me. But they just are who they are. It's the craziest thing. That's why I love it. I love it. You can only take so much responsibility. Yeah, and you've got to increase your odds. You've got to have as many as you can because a couple of them are not going to like you.

Totally. And a couple of them might be. kind of weird. I'm just kidding. Just kidding. That's funny. So I'll be honest. Pregnancy comes with a lot of what ifs.

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but I want to talk about Christmas card photos. Like, how do we feel about them these days? Not asking you, sorry, but like just the world. Because I know what you're going to say. You're going to be like, absolutely. Every time we took a photo and I'd be like, do we get it? And he's like, well, the good news is if we didn't get it, we've archived every single moment of our kids' lives on video.

And I'm like, yeah, but that's different, babe. And so Jordan, like, doesn't understand. He's like, he's like, you film literally everything of our children. No, I know. I know this is an important, you know, thing for you and females. Yeah, I mean, it is going to be an important thing for you, too. Like, even the fact that we look back at your parents' photos. And, I mean, we found those pictures of your girls.

We found cousins from that. From an abolito. You did tell them what happened there. I actually don't really know. Will you tell them what happened? Okay, so we went to, we're kind of going off track from the Christmas. We'll circle back, yeah, to the importance of pictures.

Yeah, yeah. This is actually crazy. So I'm just like mending families loved you right over here. I mean, it's wild. So I go to Jordan's, we go to Jordan's parents. house and um we go upstairs and there's this photo i've never seen of like all of these i mean what year do you think that was i mean the early like 1920 no 30s did when did they take the first photograph that's that's what i don't want to sound stupid i don't know maybe i can say like 1930s

um that was probably the 30s okay if i had to guess so let's just say 1930 so it's like of jordan's great-great-grandfather or your great-grandfather? That would be my... Hold on. That would be my great-great-grandfather. You and your dad, like, can't do, like, great-grandfather, like family math. Well, it's my dad's great-grandfather. No, it's not your dad's great-grandfather.

It's your dad's grandfather. Okay, you're right. It's my... Your great-great-grandfather would be so old. You're right. This is what they do. And every time I... And then I asked Joel, I'm like, Joel, who is that?

And he's like, it's my great, great grandfather. I'm like, Joel, no, it's not. I'm sorry, it's just not. They make up like new ones. So let's just say, I'm predicting just from the look of the photograph, it is either your great-grandfather, because it's not your grandfather. Yeah.

That is my- Yeah, it's your great-grandfather and your dad's grandfather. Okay, yes. Settled, we're moving on. I think you're wrong, though, because that is my, dad's dad's dad. That's what my dad said. No, it's not,

it's not. It's your dad's dad. You're right, because that would be like 1800. That would be the great, great, great, grandfather. You're right.

It is your dad's, well, no, he was old in the photo, so he was probably born in the... The photo wasn't that old, babe. Okay, anyway.

It doesn't matter. It doesn't. It doesn't. Why are we talking? That's why I said, Case settled. Okay. So, because it doesn't matter. Okay. So, so, um, so this is so crazy. So I'm like, just filming it like on stories. I'm like, oh my gosh, who is it? And it says in the photo,

like it labels each man and it's like abolito Ramirez. This is why we also don't know because it put abolito like grandfather Ramirez. So, um, which shows you that it's Joel's grandfather. So I was right. Anyway, um, okay. So, and there's, these other men. And I'm like, wow, that's your great grandpa. This is so crazy, blah, blah, what it was his name. Um, he's from McAllen, Texas. Apparently he was like a big, big name in McCallin, Texas. Apparently he was like a womanizer, horrible guy. Horrible, horrible guy. I didn't know if you were going to go there. Horrible guy. Like, it's okay. My, Yeah, yeah.

Whatever. And so then, like three days later, I'm scrolling through my DMs. And so when someone's like, Danny, we're Primos. And I'm like, what? She lives in McAllen, Texas, or like a lot of the family migrated to, migrated, moved to Austin, Texas. And she's like, my grandma has the same picture as you and sends us the picture. And she's like, the guy in the photo, his name is like,

man well. well or something and he married my husband's great great grandmother blah blah blah blah blah blah and then she sent me all the pictures of like each of the relatives great great grandmother it doesn't matter babe and my gosh and like we both got I asked Joel I was like do you know do you know a man well and then this lady's like type like we're all related all from that story so I said we need to have a family reunion yeah I don't really want to get into like the logistics of a family tree though. Well, okay, you can do it.

No, I'm not getting in, but what we did find out was that my dad. Oh yeah, this is what it is. My dad didn't know who that person was, which probably meant it was from a second family. Because he was that type of guy. Yeah, it was probably a second family different from my grandpa's lineage.

So it was like, Joel, I'm finding your half sisters everywhere. Kind of, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I'm just mending families left and right. Yeah, I mean, we can all still be friends. It's so long ago. I know.

Forgive and forget. Forgive and forget. We're here. You know, totally. I just, I really think we should have a family reunion. Yeah,

I mean, that would be wild. What if, yeah, it's funny. I was going to say something. Okay. Anyway,

so that's why it's really important to take Christmas photos so that in three generations from now, they'll look back at us and be like, no, this is Kili Ramirez. No, it's Kili Asson.

She never changed her last. Last name. Yeah. You know? And then they'll put all the, we really just need to take photos just for that one moment. Yeah. I think that family photos with four is going to be super interesting.

Well, the good news is, is now with all the editing and AI, what she was telling me is like you just get one good one of each and then you just swap the faces. That's. So it's like really not as stressful as we thought it was because we thought we had to get a photo like all looking. Like perfect. Yeah. But we really don't.

Dang. I've seen a lot of families just take photos like in neutrals and then they're just like, they put into AI and you're like, put us into Ralph Lauren inspired clothes. That's pretty sick. It's pretty sick. I know. Man, the Christmas card game's about to get. I know.

You guys better get ready for it. That's why I'm saying either adopt or die trying. Yeah. With AI. Yeah, don't push back. You're going to have to get those. We're going to be over here just, you know, using the AI for our photos and you're going to be over there slaving away trying to get all your kids.

It's a smile. So, yeah, last year I didn't do Christmas photos. It was just too much. But this year, I did feel like someone's just such a cute baby. I was like, it would be such a waste. Yeah. He really is the Gerber baby. He's a cute.

We've said that about all of our kids, though. And I think every parent says that about their own child. I figured out. Keep going. I'll be right back. The air is on and it's blown right on me. It's cold. Oh, my gosh.

And then they say, why are men so emasculated these days? It's like he can't even finish a podcast because the air is blowing. Was the air is blowing directly on me too, just so you all know. Yeah, so we did our Christmas card photos. We used a lady named Lindsay Dutton in Dallas. She's really great. Super chill. Like, you know, I'm pretty like an uppity personality when we're doing pretty much anything.

And she, so I work well with chill people because otherwise if you get too uppity, two uppity girls in the room. Like me. Like I get, first of all, I get kind of annoyed. So I'm like, can you calm down because I need to be the one that's upity? So she just has great, great energy. We're going to trick-or-treating tonight. What else is new with you?

Batman, Superman, Baby Hulk, Catwoman. Okay. You're forgetting a child. Oh, yeah. Super woman? Supergirl. Supergirl. Supergirl.

Yeah. Don't ever forget. We're being five. Family of Five. Did you watch Love is Vine? I watched a little bit of it with you. What did you think? You really hate that guy that you're always compared to.

I don't, yeah. His name's Jordan too. Jordan, yeah. I don't like him. Yeah, he just needs to chill. And then people always like, Jordan reminds me of the guy of loves his light and Jordan like gets like the biggest ick

because he gets the biggest ick from Jordan. He's like, I look like that guy. Yeah, he's got like the full leg tat and the full arm tat. But he just seems so stuck in his ways, but like, kind of justified. Like, he's very self-righteous to me. Do you think? I like, I liked him. You don't like him?

No, I don't see the comparison. Oh, oh, the likes. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. He really needed that. I really needed that. He's been pretty stressed out about it.

Well, because I started watching the- It's because you both have brown eyes and you have hair poofs. Yeah, I mean, like he's got- Hair-poof and brown eyes. Yeah, come on. Yeah. Sorry. Give me a break, guys.

You should have dressed up as him for Halloween. Did any of them actually work out? No. None of them did. I think this is the first season that none of them worked out. But I do have like a little, is this on, it's on Netflix, right? I have a bone to pick with Netflix. They always do the UK version of Love is Blind and then they do the U.S. version.

And the U.S. version, they always kind of cast like weird people, in my opinion. The UK version, there's always a bunch of hotties, like really cool people, normal. Like, it just is like 50% is like pretty good looking and like has it all together. And the U.S. version, it's a bunch of crazies. Like it really has been like honestly since the beginning. The casting is so, which I think is why it makes it so entertaining to watch. But like, I don't know, it was, I feel for these people. I feel like they didn't really have good compatible options.

Are they just trying to be more relatable in the U.S. version? I think so. Yeah. You know. Is it like that with the, what's the other show that they do? Love Island. Is it like the U.S. version is more homely? If you've ever watched Love Island, they're just like just gorgeous hot people.

Oh, just walking around and like skinny bikinis. Across both. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Yeah, no. He's never watched it. I've never watched it one time.

And then I, like I, I'm sorry. I don't want to watch a bunch of hotties walk around in string bikinis. I mean, I do, but I do. don't like you know yeah it just don't it's hard to get into in this era of our life yeah and i'm like really yeah it's like go home like go home like go home like go get married have children and then and then call me and then put on that bikini and call me okay yep back in it next year it's okay i'm getting myself grace summer summer 2027 or 2026 i can't wait till i have my hot mom era oh it's coming it's coming it's coming you guys better watch out

That's what I say. Be careful. We're going to get pregnant again. No, please no. Yeah, it was a weird season. I haven't watched the reunion yet, but I guess my question for you is, is love blind?

No. No, obviously. No, for any of them? Never. No, for sure, no. No, yeah, absolutely not. Jordan and his person were probably the closest to working out, it felt like.

Yeah, what was her name? Megan? Yeah, Megan were probably the close. closest it seemed like. And then she was like, you know what? She's like, no, I'm good. I don't really want to be a mom. Yeah. But then she's a mom now. She's a mom now? Yeah, but you know what? Like a lot of, no, I don't know who. I haven't watched reunion yet, but she's pregnant. Or she had a baby, but like, it's hard. Mad respect for her for, like, trying it dipping out because, like, no one knows what they're signing up for. Yeah.

If you're not a mom and you marry somebody with kids. Like, you can say, I'm, I'm, ready and I'm this and I'm that but you'll just never know you'll never know until you do it and it's a you're putting a lot on the line like you're gonna really affect like this child's life yeah if you go it's I so I get why she she backed out she probably just knew it was like it's too much pressure it's too much um like it's yeah it's too much weight on the family and on herself so like I just should dip out and like let him find someone that is for sure and that ready but I don't think that a lot of people broke up because of looks though. It was almost like they just got out of the pods

and like into real life and they were like, oh, this, from a personality standpoint, like this isn't gonna work, right? Okay, but yeah. Minus crazy blonde girl who broke up with the Asian guy. Oh, gosh, she was a mess. She was crazy. She was crazy.

But she was crazy in the pods. She was like, the things I want to do to you. He was like, this is so sick, dude. And the things I want to make. you happy. She was so crazy. I was like, oh,

she was so crazy. But any guy that falls for that, like you're, you're, yeah, you're, you're playing with fire. You're playing with fire and your discernment is off.

So really, you asked for it. In my opinion, when he was like, yeah, I want to marry you, like, what else did you expect?

Can you imagine if I said that stuff to you like on our first date? Like, oh my gosh. because you know what you would wonder how many other men has she said that stuff to if she's just throwing that out like i mean i'm trying to think of if you would have said that on the first day oh please don't tell me that it would have been a green flag no it for sure wouldn't have been a green flag but i feel like guys can probably convince themselves it's a yellow flag and they're like all right you know let me just

see this one through like let me give it A couple weeks. She just might be like a very generous person. Let's just see how it goes. I'm awesome. She just sees it. I like can't believe that that's the way that men think. I'm like if a girl is telling you on the first or second date that she wants to take care of you sexually and all she cares about is like I want to make sure that you're taking care of and you're this and that you're that and I'm going to do this for you and I'm going to do.

There is a problem there. Yeah. Why so much emphasis on the. sex life. Listen, I'm, I'm just saying to you that, yes, a stable, happily married man would be like red flag. And I said it from the first time she spoke on the show, I was like, red flag. I'm just saying in your youth before you are married and find a stable, loving wife to have four children with you, if you are in a bind or a pickle, then you can be, you can say it. maybe she just likes me.

You know, maybe you just, you can convince yourself it's a yellow flag. You'll wake up. You'll wake up in like a week or two probably, but. Because when you find out

she's saying the same thing to eight other dudes. Because let's be real. No, no, no, no girl does that on the first date. No,

what will happen. Unless they are trying to use that to manipulate you to like them, which means that they're doing it to everybody else. No, what will happen is you'll be like, okay, that's a,

yellow flag, but she's saying that on national television. And that's what she's saying in the pod. So let's say that's a yellow flag. When the cameras are off, you will see the red flags. Yeah. Like she is probably 10x more crazy behind the scenes. Well, I think that a lot of girls that don't have, um, like a lot of, wow. Oh, sorry. You really, you took it there. Well, that's usually no. What I was going to say. What I was going to say. What I was going to to say is maybe it's from that but they don't have like a lot of self-esteem self-esteem confidence like but they're typically really pretty and that's kind of like all they have to offer they feel like they have to really emphasize that because they don't feel like any other part of them is special or going to be

valued that's so sad I know it really is the other girl who's really pretty the one that you said was a porn star yeah she didn't be amazing yeah and then she was like your favorite I loved her And she didn't seem. She's really pretty. She was gorgeous. She didn't seem crazy. No, she didn't at all. She was Natalie or she kind of had like a, oh my God, I can't remember her name, but she was so beautiful.

And she was like a nurse and come to her find out she was set up with the crazy guy. Yeah. So I don't know. It's a dilemma. It's just a dilemma. The hot crazy scale is. is tough. I know.

Have you heard of that? No. It's like a, it's like a X and Y access and it's like hot, crazy. Have you ever seen it? I'll show you the picture. Every man knows about this. I don't know what this is. I'll show you.

I'll show you. So it's like you can be a certain level of hot and crazy and still be okay. A hot crazy scale. Oh, oh. Some of it's datable. Some of its marriage material. and then some of it's like run. Oh.

There's a seven minute video on YouTube. I'm not going to watch it. Look, here it is. So this is, so you have crazy across the y-axis, hot across the X. Okay. So if you're a four on the hot scale. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And a 10 on the crazy scale, you're in the no-go zone. Okay, because you can't be ugly and crazy. Yes. If you're a seven on the hot scale and a nine in the crazy scale, you're in the danger zone. It's like questionable. I get that. I get that. Yes. If you're a seven on or an eight on the hot scale and a six on the crazy scale. If you're, say it again. Eight on the hot scale. Six on the crazy scale. Oh, you're safe. Fun zone. It's safe. Yeah. It's safe. Yes. Fun zone. Okay. Nine hot. Oh.

eight crazy no no date zone really see it out see that's what I'm saying you're like no it's not a red flag it might be a yellow flag no you're just being naive if you're going nine crazy no eight crazy nine hot you're just you're just dumb like you're gonna end up with a girl that's gonna leave you or cheat on you or spend all your money well that's why it's the date zone because you'll figure that out but it's technically by rule well I'm just telling you don't waste your time But sure, rule of law, date, but I'm just saying you go. I think you're thinking eight hot and eight hot and seven crazy. No, I know what you mean?

Nine hot, eight crazy. That's just, to me, anything over a seven is a no-go. It's not marriage material. Yeah, so nine, ten hot, below seven crazy wife zone. Oh, totally. So if you're nine hot and you're seven crazy wife, Crazy. Yeah.

So you're a lucky guy. So like I married a 10, a 10, 7. 10 hot. 10 hot. 10 hot. Six or seven crazy. Okay. Just the past five years.

Hormones, pregnancy. Outside of war times, I would say you're a solid five crazy. Totally. And I'm, you know what? It only goes down to four. And I wouldn't want to be four. be anything less then no i mean because because like you got to keep life interesting yeah four 10 what are you just like marrying your sister yeah four 10 is like a boring highland park trophy wife like

it's like boring ew like we don't we want to spice it up a little bit let's we need to throw a couple of vases at the wall we yeah let's you know just one or two every five years yeah exactly yeah exactly i'm i'm i'm vibing with this yeah but it's so funny because this This is for guys, but girls, it's like a whole different scale. It's a totally different scale. This is what we were talking about earlier. Because girls probably want low crazy stability emotionally. Yeah.

And you can be like a two and be marriage. Totally. I mean, that's what, it's like Jay-Z. Jay-Z's not a good-looking man at all. Oh. Girls think that? I mean- Babe, have you ever seen his shins?

His shins? No, I've never seen Jay-Z. Look up Jay Z's shins right now. Look up JZ knees. Everybody go look up JZ's knees. It is so weird to me that, um... Are you seeing it? Oh, wow.

I told you. He really skips leg day. No, I know. And to me, that's just not okay. That's really not okay. I know. And like, look at it. when he's kissing Beyonce, like, look how little.

In his knees, he's like, he's like, he's not bow-legged. He's like the opposite of bow-legged. He's like inverted knees. Yeah. So that's why he always wears these really long shorts. I get it. We all have our insecurities. I mean, I get it.

Yeah, so. But it is so crazy how looks for girls. just are so different. I know, you always see, like, the hottest girls with the,

like, least attractive dudes. Or, like, old men. Because, like, we don't care. You just don't care at all?

And it's, like, nice, what we're gonna say? I was just gonna say, have you guys seen, like, the SEC couple thing online? Yes.

Or it's, like, the, like, grossest dude and some really pretty girl. The big, like, like, offensive line guys. It's like, yeah,

the SEC couple. And they got the cutest little girl. It is so real. It is so real. It is so real. It's so real because, and like, I even, I even get that, like, the really big, chunky, like, O-line guys, defense guys that are, like, 300 pounds and they have the cutest little, like, there's also something that's, like, so protective about that. It's like, I have this, like, big man taking care of me and, like, I don't care if he has a six-pack or I don't care if he has, like, even a bunch of money or whatever. It's, like, you just, like, you just, like, you just, like, just a little teddy bear.

You just take kill of me and just, you know. Oh, it's so interesting. Yeah, I don't know. Looks for it's just like really never. In fact, I kind of felt like handsome guys kind of give me the ick a little bit. Not you because you've kind of like really like just like grown into it. Blossomed. Yeah, you've really blossomed.

Like I always say it was a great investment on my part. But like when you start out really good looking like that, like I don't know, there's something wrong with you. There's something wrong with you if you like care so much to look like that. Right. And sometimes you just look like that. You know what? And it's not your fault. And I get it.

And you know what? Like, good for you. Yeah, like, it'll probably be on the modern wisdom podcast just complaining about their good looks. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, you know what? It's just like, you were born that way. It's just really hard because I was just born like a hot dude. Yeah.

And I just like, nobody ever like notices me for me. But, um, but yeah. So I don't know. It was never a thing. I would say like a guy that takes care of himself was more important. important than a handsome guy. I saw this, uh, this clip on Instagram about, they called it, what'd they call it? They called it pretty privilege. And they were talking about, so many friends that were so pretty. They were talking about how like, if you're pretty as a female, you just kind of get

whatever you want. Like, for sure. And it's, it's so true. No, it is so true. I mean, I get everything I want. I'm just kidding. No, I've, I always, that was one thing about me. I really liked having pretty friends. I don't know if it works the same for guys. No. No, it doesn't at all. It probably works against you, if anything. I know.

I wouldn't say it works against you because I think, but I think men that are really charming that, like, learn how to own their smile and own their, and, like, own their personality. Like, guys with a big, small that go in and ask for anything probably can get what they want. Right.

I don't even think it matters too much of it. But, no, I do think that good-looking people do, typically they can go further in life. Yeah, especially females. Especially females. Oh my gosh. Like I said, I always hung out with like really pretty girls. So I was kind of always like the ugliest one.

But I felt like, you know, on this on on the scale, like if I'm hanging out with tens and I'm a seven or my six, well, I'm still, we're still attracting the nine guys. So I'll get the lesser. It bumps you up to a solid nine. It bumps me up to. So if I'm hanging out with the nine guys, then I settle with the seven guy that was just left. leftovers still better than the force I would have been with with the other girls. You know what I mean? The other thing that can really bump you up is like the social groups you're part of.

True. I feel like if you took a fraternity guy, what's a popular fraternity at Texas, Fiji? Fiji, sure. Fiji, okay. If you meet that person at the Fiji house and you know they're part of this social group, you're like, that's an eight. for sure if you meet that person at a bus stop it's like you're a four you're a GDI yeah you're like a three four it's so crazy it's like you know where the okay this is the only space that I feel like

these rules don't apply can you guess no church no well sadly no church is also a part of a you know it's part of a social experiment because like you know at church it's it summer camps like if you're a church counselor camp counselor like a totally different ballgame in the real life so i was going to say like on average not always there's always the anomalies but on average um these rules don't apply with like super wealthy like um with generational wealth what do you mean like people that are come from generational wealth they typically don't marry each other for looks they marry each other for status status prestige like just to keep the wealth within the family.

So that's why I feel like sometimes you have, not always, but like you have these rich people marry each other. It's like, wow. Didn't expect that. Maybe because. Because they only date, they have a smaller niche. They have a smaller niche. Because they have to date.

If you're a billionaire, you only are going to marry a billionaire's daughter too. And there's not a lot of them out there. So you kind of just have to pick from, you know. I don't think. I don't think it's as, I don't think it's about like status. I think it's, that's part of it, but I think it's probably like an understanding of the lifestyle and understanding of the nuances of what it. Some would say that status. That's like, that's, that's just their lifestyle. So you want

to marry. Feeling understood. Feeling understood and you want to marry someone that can keep up with your family's lifestyle too. Like if you want to keep the families together, it's like Doughton Abbey. You know, you never watch a show. But it's like with the role. It's like if you want to keep the families together, they need to understand like the customs and the traditions and they need to like respect that and be able to come together and go to the same gala's and events and do all the same things, travel altogether. But like if you are from this billionaire family and you marry this person who has no idea like how you live, it's going to create so much chaos just like it's just you're not on the same wavelength. Totally. So if you're a four. working at McDonald's.

Male or female. Let's bring this full circle. Let's do female. We already know if you're, well, shoot, four working at McDonald's. I think both. I think both. Can I ask you something though? Like, sorry, before you get there, if you're four female working at McDonald's,

what's your best? That's what I was getting at. Okay. The plan of attack for both males and females, fours working at McDonald's, is the key is you have to insert yourself into environments that bump you up. So you've got to sneak your way into the Fiji parties. You've got to wear the garb. Like you've got to go to church.

Oh, okay. That's always a good thing. You got to go to church because you'll and get in some community groups. Own your smile. Own your personality. Get bumped up. And it's like, I'm not a four. I'm a seven.

Or work really hard or get really smart. Or get plastic surgery. Okay, yes. Just saying those are all things that could pump you up. I'm just speaking to the average fours out there that are not willing to cosmetically change. Well, okay. So funny enough, like I would consider myself a four.

It's okay. I'm not looking for any affirmation. It's okay. But I'm just saying growing up, I would have considered myself a four. Maybe a five. And then I could get to the six and seven if I like get a spray tan. I do my hair. And then I can get to the seven, you know.

So I'm like a between four to seven. I don't think that's really talking about about myself. I think it's good. I have such a range too. I'll accept for whatever you're about to say. Okay. So I always thought that looks were not going to be my advantage in life. So I was like, oh gosh, what's it going to be?

And I knew I didn't come from like, you know, a billionaire family. So I was like, scratch that. So like, why would the billionaire marry me, especially if I'm a foursome days? So I got on social media and I started posting videos. And I was like, so I better become famous. No, so then I was like, oh gosh, the only thing I really have working for me is my work ethic. And the whole thing that was a bummer. I wasn't that naturally smart, you know?

So that sucks too. When you're ugly, not rich and dumb. Like it's just really a recipe for a disaster. So I just want to say, but I still had one thing. that could work for me. You see this little pinky finger? Your speed? No, because I was fast, but like not, I was regionally fast, but not like state fast.

It was hard work. So if you're a four working at McDonald's, then you become the manager of the McDonald's. And then you move on and start your own franchise. And then you're in corporate. Corporate. Yeah. Talk about, okay, Fiji, church, corporate offices. You can be a.

four in a corporate office. So true. And be the hottest girl. You know why? Because you're in, you're in business. You're in finance. It is so easy to run circles around these corporate walks.

Like you just dress a little bit better. Get the right shoes and you're in. You got to tell a couple jokes. Get the right best. Get a bag off T-Mood. You got to be nicer and funnier than Dave. You just take that. And Dave's married with six kids.

He doesn't care anymore. He doesn't care anymore. So like you're it. Yeah, you're in like you just got to join that one the Pilates studio that everybody else is going and you're it's really not hard every McDonald's employee is going to listen to this podcast and they're going to be like I'm going to find love yeah no for sure I got to make it to corporate just work smarter not harder yeah yeah smarter not harder yeah um it's so interesting to me because everything that you said about

yourself I know I'm not going to I'm not going to talk you out of it because it's clearly your motivating factor in life, but it's so wrong. Okay, well, it's fine. But you hold on to it because it's gotten you pretty far. So you keep telling yourself that. Would you rather have a girl that thinks that she's ugly that is cute or a girl that thinks she's cute that is cute? Or would you rather have a girl that thinks that she's cute that's ugly?

Sorry, it's horrible. It's horrible. No, I think, yeah, I think you're, I think your temperaments, right? No, no, but I'm actually genuinely, like, I'm actually curious. I think that... Like, is it more attractive to have a girl that's cute think that she's cute, or is it more attracted to have a girl that... Do you know what I mean?

I think your version is probably the closest to, like, wholesome humility. So probably your version. So probably, like, a girl that doesn't think she's cute, but she's confident. Doesn't think... Yeah. That's always a good thing. Yeah, yeah. But, like, girls who are, like,

Like insecure. That's annoying. Yeah, that's annoying. It's like so annoying when like girls are like, oh, like, you know. Yeah. I can't go anywhere because I don't have the right outfit or I don't feel good. It's like you look fine.

Like you look the same you did yesterday. And then girls who like are hot and like know they're hot, it's kind of like. Yeah, well, what do? I bet like, is there anything wrong with that? I would have. They're like, babe, scoot over. Like, I'll go get the drinks. Like, like Jordan goes to the bar and he's like, oh, they're shut down.

They're enclosed. And then she's like, babe, I got. this. Like, how would that make you feel? If I was secure- Because there's a part of you that's like, oh, that's my girl. You know, there's a part of you that's like, yeah, like go get him, bam. It really is going to come down to- to- Because you're kind of like, this is what I got and you don't got it. If I'm secure in myself and in the relationship, it's awesome. But I would say that if I am at all insecure in the relationship, then I'm sweating bullets. That would be kind of mean if she did

that and you were insecure. No, no, no, just in general. Like if I was with a girl, like, and I'm like, oh, I don't know if our relationship's going well, I'm thinking. And then she's like, babe, I got this. I'm going to go flirt with the bartender to get what we want. No, just outside of that scenario, just that scenario, if I was with someone who was hot, who knew that they were hot, and I at all felt insecure in either myself or in the relationship, that would be a very hard relationship to be in because you would be like, oh, like she feels like she has options and I'm an option that's not good enough.

Totally. That's what I mean. Yeah. Right? And so it's like. Okay. So, which is so funny back to the SEC thing because usually I don't know like the SEC female stereotype.

Do you think that those are girls that are hot that know they're hot? Or do you think that those are girls that are cute but insecure? to end up with that guy? No, I think that girls that end up with football players, know they're hot. They, okay. For the most part. Football player is very different than what I just said,

which is the frat guy who... Pays football? No, it doesn't play football. You said SEC. Oh, SEC frat guys? Yes, SEC brack guys. Okay, can you repeat the question? So, do you think the girls that end up with SEC frat guys?

So Fiji's. Yes, Fiji's, sure, sure. SEC frat guys that are not good looking. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. So, but the girl is very cute. Yes, I'm thinking of like 10 friends I have. Okay, so you know this example. This happened all the time in college.

Yeah. So do they know they're hot or are they with him because they're like, I'm actually not good enough or good looking? No, no, they know that they're hot and they don't care about what the guy looks like, but they're marrying a Fiji. They're marrying a guy that like comes from a family, smart, gotten to UT, is going to have plenty of job opportunities when you graduates because they all take care of each other. She's marrying into security.

And not only that, but like you get the community aspect of it. You're always going to be friends with these people. You're already like by marrying into that group of people, you're already like raising your bar like five or six levels because you're just born into like it's just like an exclusive community now, which I'm not saying they're all like rich and successful. But they, the fact that they were accepted to this little exclusive community. makes you feel it's almost like for a girl that marries a football player it's like the opportunities because he's a football player for you now are going to be so much more so you marry a guy that comes

from that like exclusive community it's so much more so what's wild to me though and i'm stereotyping but like i feel like those SEC guys are like the guys that are like i'm going to go out with the boys or like i'm going to play golf every weekend and they don't appreciate the cute wives that they have. Does that make sense? Not always. No, I know. I'm stereotyping, but like it is a wild dynamic that like the uncute guy can end up with a cute girl and they take advantage of her and kind of take advantage of it. Well, I think that's why so many end up in like not happy marriages because they're kind of born. They married for the wrong reasons. They married for their wrong reason. So then you could take the route that I took where I was around all of that. I probably

could have married one of those guys. And I was like, I don't want to marry a fraternity guy. I want to marry a GDI. Q. Jordan, come in. You know, I want to marry somebody that has no affiliation to all of this because it feels like they're put on this pedestal and they think that they're special because of that. And I always just felt like that might crumble for you one day or that might not work. After like 10 years, yeah. But maybe not. Honestly, I know a lot of guys. Like even my uncle who's pretty successful, he like still keeps up with all of his college buddies. So it's not like everyone. It just wasn't like my values, I think, at the time. Yeah, because I mean, that also is an age old story that I feel like we've

heard a lot about in Dallas where it's like you marry for the wrong reasons, whether that's like status or money or family name or whatever. And like, yeah, they, that's going to break down after five to seven years. Probably. For sure. Yeah. But then I have like I ran to one of my good girlfriends from college at Stella's birthday party. And she kind of married like one of those friends. guys and they're like an awesome couple. They're like amazing. Like they're really strong in their church and they're like just super normal. Really both come from great families.

Like they just, they nailed it. So sometimes you just, you know, we're so like, judgmental. No, I mean, we're just trying to, we're just trying to navigate life here. Yeah. It's. So the question is,

is love blind? it's definitely never blind it's not blind it never was unless you're in the SEC yeah or a football player or you're hot or you're rich then you're good okay well we didn't get to our other segment of forest frank and jelly roll getting into it that was a long time ago but it's still super interesting so we could maybe talk about next time bye okay no thank you guys for listening um hopefully Jordan will be here next week. We'll just see what happened. Everybody go leave him some love on the podcast so he feels encouraged to come back. And we'll talk to you soon. Love you. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services.

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