De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - Nothing Is Safe From De-Influencing

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

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The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. Deinfluenced. What's up, babe? Are you on your phone? We're so dressed up. No, I've been dressing up. Like, like, like, just, I wouldn't say every day.

But I've been wearing, like, you know, normal clothes that someone would wear in public. Why? I don't know. I think I'm just getting my pink back. You for sure, getting your pink bag. I was a little scared of you yesterday. You had that just like, just like energy, you know. Uh-oh, I don't know what you mean.

Like you were like just like ready to get stuff done. You know, you were like in a photo shoot. Like I was being myself. Yeah, you're like being yourself. Yeah, I know. And you've been packing up the whole house and I try and stay away during those times. I have talked to so many moving companies. I know.

You're always on the phone with moving companies. Yeah. I talked to about two or three a day. And it's, it's so hard for me because like, you know, like, whenever you talk to someone and they're like telling you like their services and then you're like, oh, yeah, that'd be great. And you're like, this is my situation. And you just like tell them so much about your situation. But then it's like, I don't want to hire you. You know, and it's like that's always just. And then like sometimes like I'm talking to them. I'm like, I know that I'm not. But I'm like, okay, you know what? Let me talk to my husband and then let me just get back to you. So now I have like four or five people that are like waiting for me. to get back to them. Oh, I do that all the time. No, I know, but like, they, because you're not a people pleaser like I am. Like, I, like, I, I truly feel like I'm about to break up with somebody, like, like a boyfriend. Like it, the, I can't, it makes me sick. It makes me sick to my stomach that I have to be like, listen, I know we had a great 14 minute call and it's like really

nothing personal. It's nothing like against you, but it's just not going to work out. And do I tell them why? Because like a big thing for me is like a lot of these people are I'm sorry like overpricing their services. Okay. And so I honestly, it's like a hobby of mine now to just to call new ones and be like, what's your hourly rate? Because it's so fun for me to be like, you're so much cheaper than this person or you're double the price to this person. Like what makes you so special? You know? And like I want to know, like what is your competitive advantage? Like why? Because let me tell you, it sounds like, it sounds like, You're all doing the same thing. Yeah.

I'm almost positive that this is not the best use of your time. No, but babe. But it could be. No, but Jordan, it gives me life. I know, I know.

It gives me life. And let me tell you one thing. Dallas, I don't know what kind of like these fancy pants Dallas companies charge double what Nashville charges. That's crazy. So you would, it would be cheaper to have a moving company come down here.

I've thought about it. I have one that I might hire. Yes, that said they would, it would be cheaper for me to fly a team down. When I tell you, they are 50, like half the price of their hourly rate. And let me tell you something. Their Instagram worked better. That's crazy, man. No, I know.

I just like, I think I'm realizing that Dallas is really expensive. Like, yeah, like, wow. And I've just, we've always lived in, I guess, extensive cities, Dallas, Austin. And I think Nashville is very, like, it's becoming very pricey as well. But like, craziness. I know. It's rough. It's rough. But you know what? I'm very proud of you. And I know it is giving you life. And I know that because, you know, it was like 8.30 in the morning. And I walked into your room and was like, who's she talking to? I was on a call while I was breastfeeding. I know. And you were talking to more movers. Another mover. I know. I just, I love it. I love it. I just, I Google it. And I'm like,

Dallas. So let me tell you the difference. So there's like moving companies that like are the ones that come and like pack your stuff up and but that there's no strategy there. They just and that's fine. You know, if you want to be that type of mover. Like I'm not that different mover. You know what I mean. Yeah. Like I want everything like color coordinated. I want to like know like a list on the box of like everything that's in there. I want it like you know organized by room. These boxes go in this room, this room. I don't want to just get to the new house and be like, okay, here's like. your boxes by well because you're you're making you're doing the hard work on the front end yes instead of the back end yeah you like to do hard like it on the back end because you don't like to be organized

at all on the front end oh yeah in what context um packing like like suitcase packing oh that's the only example that you can think of cooking when you cook you're like I'm just going to make a disaster of a mess and then I'll clean it up after instead of cleaning up along as you go that's true our bathroom you never put your clothes. I picked up this again this morning. After you take a shower, you could just get out of the shower and put your dirty clothes in the hamper, but you don't, you also don't like to throw away anything. Like you'd like to get everything really messy. And then you cleaned up like 24 hours later. But you know what's so funny about you is you're the opposite. I clean up as I go. No. Yeah, you, you do the little things as you go. Yeah. But then like big things like, hey, like let's think

about what we're going to do this weekend. You're like, I don't want to go ahead. I'll show up. I'll show up and figure it out. You know, and it's like, because I don't want to have plans, babe. But yeah, okay. It's just funny because you have that, that skill set in your body. Yeah.

You just don't like to express it. I'm just particular. Anyway, babe, let me tell you about moving. Okay, this is my podcast. D for Danny. Well, it says with Danny and Jordan. That was a big deal, whatever. my name.

So. Now you just want to shut it down. Okay. So, yeah, there's moving companies that just come in and they pack all yourself. So then there's like luxury like moving management companies. Like so basically they just like project manage your move. So what they do is they come in and they organize everything.

First of all, they come in twice and they just like help you. declutter. They just get rid of everything. They bring the trash trucks and they're just like, hey, if you're not going to be moving with it, let's donate it. Let's get rid of it. So they just take out all the junk and they do like two sessions with you before. So then they come in the week that you're actually moving and they want you out of the house. Well, I'm sorry, that's a lie. So because, so we have a unique situation because we bought a like an investment property that we're going to be moving into in Nashville. It's like a really trendy area of Nashville that we're going to move into. And then whenever we have our main home is ready, we're going to lease it out and rent it out for like,

you know, like we always talk about a little extra income just in case we get canceled or I get canceled. If you, we get canceled, it's fine. We're almost like equal cancel liabilities these days. You think? I think we're about people. But you do so much more behind the scenes that it's like you could. No one cares.

They want to cancel you. They don't really care to cancel me. Yeah, but they probably will love to cancel you. But even if they did, you still have a job. Yeah. I don't have a job if I'm canceled. Oh, totally. So yeah, I'm way more cancelable.

Yeah, you're cancelable. Because I'm like, what am I going to do? I have so much I would do. Let's be real. I'd probably start my own moving company, to be honest. And so, okay, so they come in, they manage your move. Okay, so yeah, we're going to be moving into a temporary home. So then on a third session, they would walk through the house and they would tape everything red or green.

Red is it's going to the storage unit green. It's going to the temporary home. Not only that, they would measure everything. Look at the layout, the schematic. of our new home, tell us exactly what's going to fit, it's not going to fit. They come back to, like, we don't have to do any of that. And they also manage the movers. And that week that we're actually moving, they tell the movers exactly what to do,

where to take the boxes, what kind of boxes, how to pack it. Like, they just, project managed to move. Man, what would they tell you? They say, while we're doing that, you get out of town. You go on a vacation, which I was thinking that's great because we have no vacates planned for this summer. So I was thinking maybe we go to Tokyo or Italy with four children. Yeah, she said she said this last night. It's crazy.

That's crazy. That's irresponsible. What is? Going that far across the world with four young babies. Well, we could probably leave a couple of home. I mean, what do you think? I mean, they won't remember. Oh, but they'll be traumatized.

Would they? Mommy and daddy leaving for a week. But, you know, it would have the best time ever and they would remember it. Stella would love it. Stella's just so hard. I don't know. What are the rules of engagement there? For taking like some of your children on a trip or not.

I could be wrong, but I think Mallory Irvin's on a trip right now with like only one of her babies. I could be wrong. Really? I could be wrong. I don't know. I kind of just like scrolled her stories and I was like, is she? Like I would 100% go to Tokyo if it was like.

Stella Stratton? Stella Stratton. Hey, let's make it happen. Really? Totally. I don't know. Do we what what's gonna happen? You already cancel us? We got a rental. It's more so I mean Summit would have someone and Smith would have the best time with the grandparents 100%. I know I don't think I could leave them though I'm just be honest. That's what I'm saying is like I'm not talking about being canceled. I'm like could you actually do it? I know

I'm I'm I'm all talk babe. You are all talk like yeah you want to take summit everywhere. No, I know I'm like, I really do. He, like, slept in bed with us last night. Yeah. I just think it's too far. What's that line? Like, I'm a little too big for my britches. Or you're all hat, no cattle?

No, I like the britches one. What's the britches one? You're too big for your britches? Yeah, I'm just too big for my britches. Yeah, all bark, no bite. Yeah, I'm all bark, no bite. That is so me. It's because I'm trying to mask.

It'd be tough. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm very much down, but I think we should do what your original idea was and just do a Disney cruise. It's built for kids. Well, the good news is we're moving twice since we have a time. So we'll do Disney Cruise one time and then maybe Tokyo the other time. It's also just crazy.

It's crazy to say we're moving into a temporary home while also finishing out our new home. Selling this home. Selling this home, moving to a new city and you're like, yeah, let's go to Tokyo. That's crazy. That's objectively crazy. Don't you feel? I like it a little crazy. No, I know.

And I know what you're doing. You want to tell you. That's what I'm talking about with that energy. You're like, let's get a little crazy. No, I don't feel that way. I don't want to get a little crazy. I just literally want to go to Tokyo. I know you want to go to Tokyo.

I've wanted to go for like five years. No, I know. I know. And Dubai, but if the only thing else is good I do right now. No, is it? I never know what's going on. Over there. over there. It seems like it's always something.

Yeah, I think it would be better to maybe do Tokyo, maybe Italy, and then we could talk about Dubai later on. So no Disney Cruise. No, Disney Cruise in addition. Yeah. Okay. All right. We'll work this out, but I'm just saying, like, there's a lot going on. Idea. Costa Rica. I bet you could get behind that with all the kids.

Yeah, so that's closer. I've never been to Costa Rica. I just, I just want to go to new places. Yeah. And all these people on Instagram are traveling with their families, and I'm like, I'm like, this is, this is so tone deaf, all of you people traveling. Yeah, it's true. You guys just, it's so toned up.

We're over here having four kids moving. And you guys, who do you are? No, this is how people feel. This is how people feel consuming Instagram. I'm like, oh, cool, you're in Aspen. How do you think we feel? It is, you know what I can't, what I can't do lately? I can't really open TikTok lately.

I know because I'm just a little jealous be itch. No, no, it's not that. It's like when I scroll, it like actually gives me like anxiety because I'm seeing like all these people doing different things. And I'm like, I don't know. I've never felt that way before. But I'm just like I don't like this. You feel a little like less than phoma? Yeah, less than foma maybe.

I love that rush. Really? Yeah. What do you explain what rush you mean? Because I'm like, oh, look, they're doing great things. I want to do great things too. No, it's not that I'm jealous. It's like, um,

it makes me not present with where I'm at because I'm like, oh, I should be doing that. Does that make sense? Like, especially if I'm like, like this guy, like this guy's fishing on a boat, throwing rocks at a boat. This, oh, that's us. See, I want to be there. You know, everyone's like at this fight. Oh, see, I like it. And also like, and then it feeds me things that make me angry.

And I'm like, I don't want to feel this right now. I don't know. I just, TikTok for me lately has just not been a good thing. That's, I really am like very, you don't ever straight. You don't ever scroll TikTok. I'm not a, I'm not a, you're a Reels girl. Yeah, I'm not really a TikTok girl. Um, I, Instagram, nothing really makes me feel that way except for travel right now. Yeah. But, um, I, I could, I could look at a girl in a bikini with a six pack and I feel nothing. What, um, what do you do? on your phone at night?

Like, yeah. Like whenever you're like laying in bed, you know. I'm usually reaching out to brands to see if they'll look loud with me on my new home. Is that what you're doing? I always wonder what you're doing. Yeah, or I'm like what? Or I'm like. Because you're not really scrolling.

I just found out that the marble I picked out for our kitchen is probably not going to work out because the slab is too small. So I've been like looking at Pinterest trying to find like a new marble slab. The green one? No. We weren't doing green in the kitchen. Oh. Poor guy doesn't know anything about her new.

I literally. So Danny was like, will you send the sauna specs to the builder? And I was like, I've never talked to him. He's like, I don't have his number. You've cut me out of every group. I go ask Lori. Which I don't care because I am so happy with the purpose that this has given you. Thank you.

I'm like so great. Just go off queen. Yeah. So, yeah. So I'm usually doing something like home related. You know my new favorite like type of. of accounts to follow on Instagram are. This is like what my feed is right now. What? There are accounts that do like home inspections.

Oh. Yeah. And they go through and they show you like where the houses are like falling apart or what's wrong and like I'm learning so much like even you're in your shower like the little seat you know the little marble seat or it's like courts whatever it is. Yeah. That even has to be slanted a certain like degree so that the water flows so it doesn't just stagnant. So the home inspectors go in and check all that stuff. That's crazy. Who's screaming? That's probably Stratton. Full and part-time Starbucks baristas get up to 18 weeks of paid parental leave. So as their family grows, they never miss a moment, even if they miss out on sleep. Because at Starbucks, benefits like paid parental leave are just the start. Learn more about Starbucks industry

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Our child is singing, not screaming. He's singing. Yeah, no, that's really good for you. Yeah, I love to know this stuff. I love learning about homes and home building. So I think after I start my moving company, then I'm going to probably become a teacher for a year, and then I'll start building homes.

A teacher to our children. No, I would never teach our children. I can't. Sorry. I'll teach everybody else. I'm going to go work in elementary school. That's what I'm saying. Oh, okay.

They need me. They need you. Oh, you're so funny. So funny and unproductive. I never know. I'm so crazy. I'm like, order. Order.

And then you're like, ah. He's like, I'm going to have this same thing to eat every day. And then I'm going to marry the craziest person in the world. Remember last? Last night when we were walking out of our date night and I go, I was like, where would I be without you? And I said I'd probably be a fat loser. And I missed it.

And I said I'd probably be a homeless drug on it. We just love each other so much. Oh, it's so funny. We think that we need each other so much more than we probably did. But it's okay. That's, it's healthy. No, we, no, it's so fun. It's great team.

Team teamwork makes a good work. So yeah, that'll be really interesting this move. My biggest thing that I can't figure out what to do in our temporary home is if we should furnish it with like some of our furniture or if we should rent furniture. Because when we rent it out and lease it out long term, are people going to want it furnished or not? That is the question. You just don't know. In our in my experience thus far, because we had one of our places already furnished and we had to get rid of everything. I know as I'm saying.

Most people don't want it furnished. I know. That's what I'm saying. So then I'm like, should I just reach out to court furniture and just like bring this around full circle? Remember one of my first brand deals ever? See if they would sponsor us again. Wouldn't that be so cute and crazy? I think you should do that. I know that you've been wrestling with. I think you should do that. I know. I know. And then we'll just like sell all. Like we'll do like an estate sale. How fun. Yeah. God, I would I would kill to go to like a really great estate sale. this is going to be a great estate sale. I think I should sell tickets. Make a little cat. I mean. It's not about the money. It's about the money.

No, it's really not about the money. I mean, the way. I mean, just like, just where you're spending your energy. It's like you love your little rat holes. That's what they're called. They're like, little rat holes. They're like, I'm going to make 500 bucks here. And I'm like, Danny, the grand scheme of things, like, that's so not worth your time.

But you love them. You love these rat holes. I'd rather go down a rat hole and make 500 bucks in a week than 500 million doing something I don't love. I want you to hear me say this. You are not becoming your mother. I want you to hear me say that first. But it's like when your mom, when you were growing up, would- It's okay if I become my mother.

Would drive all the way back to the grocery store to, like, return a banana. It happened so many times. Get like 60 steps back. And it's like that makes no sense. They would charge us for like seven bananas instead of five, you know. And my mom, we would get home from Sam's. And you know, Sam's is never like a convenient place to go. Like, you know, Sam's is always you got to drive 20 minutes to go to Sam's.

You know, it's like we don't live next to a Sam's. And my mom would, you would all get back in the car and drive all the way back over to Sam so she could stand in that line. And we would wait like it 30 minutes in that line. So she could return to two bananas that she was charged. You know, like, yeah. My mom. You're getting there. My mom, like, when there were multiple times, we would be empty on gas, empty on gas.

And she'd be like, she's driving to that one Texaco that has the, like, the cheapest gas. And we would pass like seven gas stations on the way. And, you know, I'm like sitting in the back seat like, whatever. And she's like, no, my watch. Like, you know, and like literally you look at the dashboard. It's like blinking E, you know. Yeah. She just was like, I'm, she's not going to do it.

You know what you call that? We also had a coupon. Did you have a coupon drawer? No. You don't have coupon tours? No. Oh my God. You were just, what are you?

Like, you're just rich and privilege growing up. I mean, no, we just didn't. I don't know. It's like, we didn't go into a store unless we had a coupon. Like we shopped places for things we didn't need just because we had a coupon. Like literally everywhere, everywhere had coupons. And like we would just sit it and cut them all out. cut them all out and keep them in this drawer.

It being stacked to the brim, and so before we would go to Albertsons or wherever, like we would check out all the coupons and it would be like, you know, frosting on sale, 70% off and like, we're buying frosting. Do we need frosting? No, but it's on sale, so we're gonna buy it. Because we're just gonna keep it until we need it.

It's just the love of the game. It's a love of the game. And I wanna be super clear about something. I heard that the one thing you're never supposed to say to your wife is that like you're becoming your mother. I just I think a stand-up comedian made that joke. I actually think that it's great because I've always been a huge proponent like you Stellin and your mom are all the same person.

I know. And you'll have like these very distinct gifts. Extreme couponing. Extreme frugality, but extreme ingenuity. Hustler. Hustle culture. Yes. I want a t-shirt that says hustler with an eighth.

Yeah, no, like it's a great thing. I'm very pro. Hustle, babe. But just don't get crazy with it. Like, don't be returning bananas. I feel like that's crazy. Yeah, no, I think the difference between my mom and I is I value my time a little bit more. Yeah.

And like I will let things go. Like I don't, I won't like hoard things. Like my mom's a hoarder. You know, and she, I think it's because she's like one of the oldest of five that she basically raised her siblings. So I think she like had to like hold on to everything because it was like if she wasn't going to have it. Then she would give it to a sibling. Whatever. I was the youngest sibling.

I was five years younger than my brother. So like I never had that like sense of urgency. The only way reason I have that is because my mom was like that. Yeah. I think that I wasn't ever like competing with a sibling for like the last cracker. But like she was. Well, I think that like you well because that's like I think that she was raised with like scarcity mindset. you know because there were seven kids but i feel like what you and landon did really well was you took

all the ingenuity of your mom and then you had an abundance mindset yeah landin's still pretty like he's he's like pretty frugal and like yeah you know he he would rather like spend x amount of hours doing something instead of pay someone to do it i feel like yeah so he still got that but it's not a bad thing like he's very successful well and also does it make him happy like I think it makes them happy. I think that your mom, like, I think that your mom and to a certain extent, you and Landon like being busy and you like the process of working, you know, towards something. Like, you don't want to delegate it. You want to do it yourself. Yeah, but there's, I think I'm probably the best out of all of my family at delegating. Yes, but I think that that,

I think that that was like, because you and I got married. Okay, wait. Before I even married you, I don't know. I married you. I hired my first manager. I did. I hired someone to do all my brand deals. Now it took me a long time to like let it go. But I did. Yeah. No, for sure. No, for sure. I totally agree. I's still a business woman. You're a business woman. My taxes on my ground in my bedroom. Living with Bright and Janine. Crazy time. Crazy time. You know what's a crazy thing about your past is your old manager is basically the one that created the secrets. Secret Lives Mormon Wives. Yeah, I know. And like manages like all of those girls now. I know. My old manager was the beast knees.

Yeah. She's like the shit. The one that got away. For sure. She's the one that got away for me. Like I like my whole career is to prove her to her that like she needed me. Which is so good. Have you ever watched Michael Jordan's Hall of Fame speech?

No, maybe I'll do that later. Oh, you've got to watch it. It's amazing. I've been listening to a lot at the Yovon. I probably need, no, no, it's amazing. So let me tell you about this. Everyone should watch this. So if you watch Michael Jordan's Hall of Fame induction speech, it's like all of the people

that he played with and against in the room. Yeah. And he's so like angry still towards them. He's like thanking these people who he was like one time you did this to me. And he's like, I thank you for that because that made me so mad that it drove, drove me to do X, Y Z. He had like his high school, his high school basketball coach there who didn't put him on varsity that basically like that rejection like made him Michael Jordan. It's like the coolest speech ever because he's like everyone in the room knows he's the greatest. And he's like, you guys made this monster.

Like you made me and I thank you for that. You got to watch it. You would love it. As a three, you would love it. Oh, I have so many people like that in my life. I know you do. It's, it's embarrassing. No, it's not embarrassing because you should thank them. You actually, like, because without them, you wouldn't have the drive to do XYZ. So who are your people like that? Babe, you have some, too. I don't. A lot of yours are girls. No, they're not girls. Okay, so you don't have, like, one person that, like, kind of did you dirty that you're like, sometimes you think about and you're like, honestly, every time I've been motivated, because I have. have had seasons where I was really motivated by an enemy that I made up in my head.

And to be honest, every time I have used that strategy, it's never worked out well for me. Because I feel like it's affected my decision making to where I'm making poor decisions based on like revenge or vengeance or some make believe, you know, idea. Separate. Separate. I mean, that you recognize not. Separate Oscar speech was, have you ever seen Matthew McConaughey's? Oscar speech. I think it was an Oscar speech. I've seen where he's like I was never competing

against anyone else. I was competing against myself at 30 and then myself at 40 and myself. So I feel like that's more my style. Yeah. Like I I've tried maybe if you agree with Michael Jordan. I've tried your style of being great through that means and it just it literally has always bit me in the butt. I think the reason it works for me is because like not it's kind of like not that serious. No yeah. I don't actually think about Lisa like every single day in my life. You know. But. But. But it definitely is something that I'm like, it does drive me a little bit. Yeah. But I would say I'm like probably 50, 50, 50 against myself, 50% against like, I don't know, maybe.

I actually don't think what drives me too much is like that revenge game. It's like also just being different. Yeah. Like you're wanting to be different. Yeah. Just doing things different. I think I have that too. But it's all just like about, well, I think let's face it.

when we were first starting out, I think we were both trying to make up for low self-esteem in some way, right? Like, whoa, speak for yourself. Okay, for me. You know what I'm saying? Like, you were always like, like, you know, we were both trying to prove something. Yeah. To, who isn't in their 20s? You know, like you, you honestly have to have that to have drive. Like, how do you, how are you motivated if you don't have some chip on your shoulder or? And we're just content and happy. Yeah, sure. I mean, if you want, like, I just don't be a loser. No, no, I just don't. I don't know if you can be great without some type of insecurity or what's what is great even me?

Well, you have to that's like the deep tracks. You got to figure that out later, but I'm talking about just like stage one of like what drives you to be great like Mike Tyson. I feel like why do I know all of these like speeches? Mike Tyson was like TikTok algorithm. Yeah, probably. Mike, Mike Tyson was on no, he's on Theo Vaughn. Yeah. And Theo asked him, he goes, hey, you know, do you ever like resent or regret your upbringing? And he was like, no. Or your dad or something. Yeah, something like that. And he was like, no, absolutely not. He was like, it made me the greatest. Yeah. Like all the adversity and the bullying and all the things he faced. Yeah. You talked about bullying. Those kids picking on him. Yeah. I mean, it's very rare that you find like a great at whatever they're right at. And they didn't face some intense adversity. Like it's they always were bullied. they always were like not cool like Taylor Swift like she was like so not cool in high school I really made fun of her and so she was like I'm gonna go to write songs

in my room I think I have no proof of this but I don't feel like Alex Cooper was cool growing up no no like babe have you ever seen Alex Cooper? No she like wasn't cute or anything right well she had like red hair yeah she's just a total like kind of loser

no she was probably a sweet like girl but she wasn't like the popular girl you think I mean I don't know what she was like but don't say loser that's a really mean word okay I'm sorry like sorry she wasn't a loser but she wasn't what you see today and I feel like so much of her drive oh 100% ambition is like it you know when you see someone you kind of game recognized game you have to know it like yourself and to see it yeah like I feel like with her it's like oh man like you've got something to prove like you're working so hard oh yeah and you

want this so much that you like you're trying to make up for something a lot of the jokes that the Kevin Hartrose were like about that it was like no no they were about oh your dad abandoned you like are you still trying to impress him so he'll come back like that and that probably is a really large part of his dedication drive mr beast have you ever seen the interview with diary CEO yeah he's like his dad left and he like can't stand his dad he can't talk about it he like won't talk about it in so much of his drive. Elon Musk horribly abused by his dad. So just like if you raise like happy, healthy kids, they all become greats. Yeah, I mean. Because they're just too happy and healthy. Yeah. Well, yeah, I know. So what are we doing? We got to create some of my. What are we

stressing out about? Well, that's the thing is like I think that you can try your best as parents. and you'll never be able to just be perfect. Like everybody's going to face adversity. Yeah, I mean, yeah, because we both had like great upbringings and we found our own adversity through those. But it had nothing to do with our parents. Yeah. Or even if it did, like, it's like not personal.

It's our own interpretation of circumstances and what we want to be. Yeah. No, for sure. It's great. You got to watch that Michael Jordan. Hall of Fame speech. On it. You would love it.

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this. When we move, I really want to like just have people over. Like not a whole production, not a whole thing. Like, hey, just like come over. Like sit. Just hang. I, I was, when I was up in Nashville by myself, I feel like that was like the culture that I loved. Like people were just like, hey, come over. Like sit outside with us. Yeah, let's repeat that sentence. You were in Nashville by yourself. No, but they invited me into like their home and like their kids are running around. So it's just like more chill, you know, like wasn't scheduled. Like I texted Andrew East and Sean Johnson and I was like, hey, like I'm around and they're like, oh yeah, pop in. And they were just like their kids are running around. So I just wanted. I know, but you got to get over it. I'm, I'm doing this

so that you start to get over it. Because listen, I'm going to have a lot of, we're going to have a lot of friends. We're going to have a lot of social things. There's going to be a lot of children. So like, I'm just testing the waters. We're just going to sit on the back porch. I told him I'll fill up the drink fridge. Okay. You'll probably be out there with us. Tonight? Yeah. You're going to sit on the porch tonight. Yeah. And you're going to come out. And you're going to fill up the drink fridge. Well, the drink is always already filled. I texted them. I said the drink fridge is full. Okay. Who do you think? Close it. No, I know.

Okay, if that's your point, I get it. I get it. What I want to talk about is I'm ending my chapter of what I talked about last week. Like, I'm moving on to a different topic. No more spiritual warfare? Well, no, it wasn't, it, it kind of took a dark turn. No, crazy turn. It went from the unseen realm, which was like heavy genesis to like,

lost ancient civilizations. Mayans. Mayans, Aztecs, Egyptians. Who built the pyramids? We don't know. So then I'm reading one more book that's a bridge. And then I'm done. I'm moving on to a different topic.

So what's a new topic? I think I'm getting this book. We tried to look for it. The creatures of Jekyll Island. Oh, did you see that you order on Amazon? I got canceled. I'm thinking like the government doesn't want you to have this book. Yeah.

Oh my gosh, I got to text them right now. You didn't tell me that. I got the email, unless it, like, you ordered it again. Did the book? Oh, I need that this weekend. And I can't find it anywhere in Dallas. I just got a text from Stella's having a play date with her friend. Look at them.

I know. It's so sweet. She has, like, a best friend right now, y'all. And it's, like, so cute. And it's like she has a best friend now and we're leaving. It kills me. Okay. So I really want to, so the next chapter I'm going to is probably the Federal Reserve.

I don't know what it is. I'm going to be honest. The Federal Reserve? I don't really get it. I don't know what it does. Isn't that when they took, is that something to do with the money and the coins? Yeah, like they got us off of the gold standard. I don't understand. But I'm going to tell you about it in a couple of weeks. And now there's not. I think these are two different things.

Oh, okay. I actually don't know anything. You know who knows a lot about this is Landon. Yeah, he does. So I'm going to go down that rabbit hole. I'm about done. I'm kind of burning out of my ancient civilizations, but I want to tell you something really interesting. Please do. So if anyone wants to go down the path, I just went down. I have a very specific order of operations for you. You first have to read the unseen realm, which is going to teach you about Genesis. It's going to teach you about like the deep tracks of theology, angels and demons, the Nephilim,

etc. Are you bored? No, I'm writing this all down. Okay, the next book you're going to want to read is called Fingoprints of the Gods. It's by Graham Hancock. I'm actually ordering. He is not, he is not, he is not a believer. Okay. So he is a secular take on all of the remaining mysteries of ancient civilizations.

His whole thesis is that there's basically, there was an ancient civilization that had advanced technology. Okay. A lot of these civilizations say that they were quote unquote from the gods. Okay. Yeah. And then there was a great flood and most of those ancient civilizations are buried now under about 120 meters of water.

The reason he believes that is we're finding them on all these like coastlines. Okay. Okay. So I'm not going to ruin the whole journey you're about to go on, but like, You'll connect the theology of Genesis with lost ancient civilizations. Now, here's the bridge. Okay. There's a guy named Tim Albarino. Okay. You always remember these people's names. Well, do you know what's crazy, babe, is this is like an example of like me not following my intuition. I actually DM'd Tim Alberino like two years ago, early on its podcast and he was like,

yeah, come on. Now he's on Sean Ryan. He's like on on Tucker, he's on Joe. I knew and he was totally down at the time, but I was like, I don't wanna come off as a crazy person. Yeah, but you should, yeah, you should. But what I, why, what I DM to him and I said is I said, you were like the Christian Indiana Jones and like you've got to come on our podcast. So here's the crazy.

So would. He, listen. Okay. I need you to like really. I'm listening. I just finished my pizza order. Okay. Can you look at me?

So you have theology with Michael Heiser and then you have. Graham Hancock secular view of ancient civilizations. Why Tim is so interesting is he is a strong believer, but has spent most of his life as a missionary in Peru going through the same research that Graham Hancock did. So he bridges the biblical narrative with the Graham Hancock narrative, and he's like the bridge between two. But my recommendation is you have to read Unseen Realm First, then read fingerprints of the gods, and then let Tim Alberino be your bridge.

Who's the guy that does those? Also, Tim Alberino's book is under the occult and Satanism category on Amazon. It's wrong. Just want everyone to know that. It's totally wrong. I know. They like did them dirty. The archaeology.

Yeah, I believe it. What I was going to say is, oh, who does that documentary about like uncovering all of the lost cities? That's Graham Hink. Oh yeah. Yeah. He has a, you could also just watch his Netflix series. Yeah. Um, it's called, uh, ancient, I don't remember. Ancient civilization. No, it's like something about that. But you get, basically his book was written in the 90s, but his Netflix documentary is like more, or his Netflix series is more up to date. Yeah. So just watch. Just watch the Netflix series and then read those two books. But here's the craziest thing I learned last night. I tried to tell you. And you didn't. I said,

can I tell you something that's fascinating? You said not right now. I do remember that. Okay. So you know how like one of the bigger, and I just want to clarify that I'm not taking any theological stance on this? I don't really know. Okay. You know like the debate between like the young earth and old earth theory? No. I only know the debate about flat around. Well, so like young earth is like like literal, you know, taking, Genesis literally and saying that the account of the genealogy like makes the earth 6,000 years old, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. And then, oh, yes, because that's dinosaurs. Yeah, but then Darwin comes along and they're like,

wait, this is like the earth is so much older than what we think. I don't know anything about Darwin. Well, Darwin was like, oh, like evolution has happened. And then there was like the big lawsuits within public schools because it was like New Earth versus Old Earth. And it was like literalism versus is Genesis like metaphor? You know that whole thing? Uh, sure. Okay. So let me tell you, this is the craziest thing of like how this whole debate started. Okay. Okay. So I'm going to read some of my notes here.

Okay. So ancient Egypt, okay, and like the Sumerian culture have these like ancient kings, Kings lists. Okay. So like documented found on papyrus like shows like all of the the reins of different kings that go back like, call it 14,000 BC even before that. Okay. So that would make the earth not 6,000 BC. 14,000 or 1,400? No, 14,000 BC. Like long, long ago. So basically, like, you know, we have documentation on papyrus that like these civilizations went far before the mainstream understanding of the timelines. Does that make sense? Yeah. Because like the mainstream timeline that's just completely broken down at this point, like no one even believes it anymore is like, oh, the pyramids were built on this date and then this and then this happened then and it just the whole timeline collapsed because we're now like, oh, we thought hunters and gatherers could build these pyramids, but they didn't. And so every we're finding new archaeological evidence in like carbon dating things that the timeline that we once believe doesn't make sense. Okay. Make sense?

Yeah, like what are they teaching in school then? I have no idea what they're teaching in school. But I'm going to tell you how this came to be taught in schools. It's crazy. Okay. So there's a famous Kings list called the Manthos Kings List. Manetho, maybe it's Menetho or maybe it's. And it shows like tens of thousands of years back, like the different lineage of different kings within Egypt.

Okay. So that was kind of like the most in depth. in addition to the Sumerian kings list of like what we understood how far history went back. Okay. So then Roman Empire comes about. Constantine became the first emperor that basically made Rome a Christian nation. Okay. So his chief theologian was a guy named Eusebius.

And have you ever heard of that name before? Nope. like all pastors and like theologians will look to usabeus because he was like one of the early documenters of early christian history so a lot of what we like know from a historical lens of what happened to christianity and like you know jesus was from his earlier writings so usabius basically goes back in his job for the roman empire was to collect all of these historical documents a lot had been burned from the library of alexandria like a lot of documents we lost a lot of history. And then like in my last podcast, you know, you had missionaries going to like the Aztec

culture and burning a lot of this, their historical documents. So his job was basically to be like, okay, I'm the Roman Empire is now a Christian nation. And so I need to basically help people understand the world through a Christian lens. And so he was trying to bridge history with Christianity. So that makes sense. So he finds, I'm just going to say Menethos, Kingslist. Okay. And he didn't know how to reconcile the timeline of what they believed with his understanding as a Christian that the genealogy of the Earth's like age was 6,000 years old through the like Genesis. Yeah, genealogy tracking. So you had like a couple ideas out there, but he didn't know how to bridge them. Okay. And I don't know the exact math of what he did. But he basically was like, okay, I need to nip this in the bud, you know, because they were getting, he was, Christianity was getting a lot of pushback from like paganism because the timelines didn't match.

So he came up with, let me read this. Okay, I'm going to explain to you how Eusebius reconciled the math of the historical documents of the Kings list with Genesis genealogy. Okay. So I asked Claude to explain it like I'm five. Imagine your teacher asked you how old your grandpa is. You don't know exactly so you say, well, he seems really old, maybe a thousand years old. Your teacher says, that's impossible.

Nobody lives that long. Now, imagine instead of admitting the number is a problem, your teacher says, oh, when your grandpa says years, he actually means month. So a thousand months is only about 83 years. That makes sense. Okay. So Manateo said Egyptian kings ruled for a total of 24,925 years before the regular pharaoh started. So ancient civilizations.

Eusebius needed that number to fit inside a universe that was only about 4,000 to 5,000 years old, according to his biblical calculation. 24,925 years obviously doesn't fit inside 5,000 years. So Eusebius said, those aren't real years. those are lunar months of 30 days. Now divide 24,925 by 12 months in a year and you get roughly 2,077 years. Suddenly it fits, problem solved. Eusebius moves on. And that was the new Earth model that was created and like stamped by the Roman Empire to be like fact. Does that make sense? So then- You just kind of made it up? He just like was trying to figure it out how to make it make sense.

Yeah, he was trying to figure out how to make it make sense because this was such a difficult point of people converting to Christianity because like they were aware of all these like ancient civilizations but for some reason you know the genealogy of genesis became like oh this is like an actual record of how old the earth is so like theologians debate all the time whether genesis is literal or literal or metaphorical or even time like if time was perceived the same way or if this is like a record of how old the earth is or if it's just a genealogy, kind of like all of that stuff, right? So the reason I say that, and it's so interesting, is because Eusebius basically, so he takes it to Constantine. Constantine publishes it and it's called

the Chronicon. And then the Chronicon basically like from 320A.D. to today became like the most literal interpretation of how old the earth was. So that didn't matter in like ancient days, but then, you know, Darwin comes around and like carbon dating comes around. And that became like almost the opposite where, you know, Eusebius was trying to make people understand Christianity in the context of 6,000 years. Well, then Christianity became harder to understand as we learned more about like the more ancient civilizations. And people started like suing and all that kind of stuff. tears. So I think I lost my thought. Okay. So I get what you're saying.

So basically I think that when we were growing up, okay? When we were growing up, it was like, oh, you don't believe the earth is only 6,000 years old. You don't believe in Jesus. Does that make sense? Can you wear that again? Do you remember? I don't know if you ever experienced this, but like this was a big debate when we were probably like teenagers. It was like New earth versus old earth. It was like, how are you going to teach old earth within schools? There were like lawsuits about it. Like there was a famous lawsuit in Tennessee where someone was trying to teach, like a teacher was trying to teach old earth theory of like the earth is this many years old. And it like butted up against like Christian fundamentalism of like, no, it's only 6,000 years old.

Do you remember any of this? Because, sorry, I kind of remember, but what you're saying is Christianity would prove that the earth is only 6,000 years old when, you're, you know, old earth theory would be like against the Bible. Yeah. So people like if you were like fundamental Christian you were you had to say the earth is 6,000 years old. Because that's what you say you see. Wait, sorry, but that's what the genealogy in Genesis would show is that it's like the earth is like but then when you start looking at the science and carbon dating and like that it's like no this is not 6,000 years old. This is this is this is far. far like the earth has been around so much longer than that right and so that used to be

prove that Genesis is more of like it's like metaphor well no there's a that's like a whole other track you can go down is like how do you reconcile if it's not 6,000 years old like how do you interpret Genesis but in my opinion that's like majoring in the minors this is my whole point is I think it's so interesting that under Constantine it was like stamp of approval here's the chronic on and that's just been like known Christian Bible study wisdom ever since then and in my opinion when we when I was like pushed back on or if like you were pushed back on for being like hey I actually think that the earth can be older it doesn't mean that your faith is any stronger or less strong or whether you believe in Jesus or not it's more just like your interpretation of

this thing that an early church historian did at the time yeah it's so interesting to me. I don't think you, I don't think you find it interesting. No, I do find it interesting. I'm just saying I feel like it does kind of, it's confusing. It's really confusing.

Yeah. It's confusing because I'm like, because then it's like if Genesis is more metaphorical, where it's like, you know, these time, then like is every book of the Bible? I don't think it's metaphorical. Like that's not.

Like, yes. So what's Lucifer really a snake? Um. And was a day really a day? Serpents are like, no, I think serpents are like the serpent as like a a poser or a satanic figure is like throughout all these cultures too. It's the craziest thing. Like there's so many. So you think it really was a snake?

Um, yeah. Okay. Me too. Yeah, I really do. I still interpret Genesis literally. I just don't interpret the time in Genesis literally. And the reason for that, not to get too crazy with this, but like, so Einstein comes out with the theory of relativity.

Which I was going to ask you, what did Einstein think? So, well, basically Einstein proved. He's supposed to be like the smartest guy. I think Einstein proved that like time is perceived differently depending on how much gravity is involved in a situation, right? Nope. Didn't know that one. Well, have you ever, you remember on Interstellar?

Yes. Okay. Remember that part where they go down. Yeah. Okay. And he's like, because of relativity, one day for you guys is going to be equal to 10 years for me up here. Because they leave one guy back on the ship. Yes.

And do you remember they get stuck and they get stuck for like an hour or two more and they go back up and he's like got a gray beard? Yeah. It just means that time and like because of, I think it's called like gravity dilation. Anyway, because I just don't think our comprehension of time is what God's comprehension of time is. And so I just think that Genesis is literal, but like our understanding of time is so constrained to like our senses just here on earth and like what we can see here feel and how we. perceived time that I think it actually is very different spiritually. Okay, but then what about in the Bible when they're like, he lived to be 120 years old?

I mean, I guess. Was it really 120 years? Did they just live longer? I guess it could be that time moved. Months. Maybe they lived shorter. Time moved different during that time or their perception of 120 years. gravity then i don't know they might be floating i i don't i don't know but i i don't think that

it's just so funny because growing up this became such a um a contentious topic and i think it's so like arrogant and prideful to be like oh our concept of time is the only understanding of concept of time when we know that at different parts in the universe time is perceived differently And it changes based on like Wait, how do we? Oh, part of the universe like in space? Yeah, in space. Like if you get. But it's the earth. There's always in the same.

But has it? We don't know. Yeah. If there's less gravity, they'd be bouncing around in the Bible. It'd be just floated over to the flock. But here's. Okay. So if there was less gravity, would that explain how

they were able to move these giant, megalithic rocks and blocks and build a pyramid. Do you know that... Has gravity changed? I don't know. In the past thousand years? I don't know. But do you know that to move one, the heaviest of the block in the Egyptian pyramid,

do you know that it would take like two cranes, modern day cranes in like a crew of 20 people and six weeks of preparation to just move one of those? It's crazy. No one, no, no one knows. knows or can explain how the pyramids are built. Just even mainstream even mainstream they have like theories but no one knows it makes no sense. What's the where are the theories? Ramps.

I can see it. Ramps and like crews of hundreds of thousands of people but how do you even get enough and they were They were trans- They were transported from Corey's at that time. They were transported from Corries that were like 20 miles away. Like it's tough. It's tough to believe. It's tough.

I just, I don't know. I'm, I'm stumped. But here's the thing is that it's tough to believe, but this whole journey has like illuminated my faith in just like this crazy way. Because it's like, the thing that makes the most sense. is the biblical narrative. I'm telling you. It's crazy.

About the... About everything. About the... Oh, so you're saying the giants picked him up? The Nephom? No, I don't know if the giants picked them up. I don't... I don't know how the pyramids are built, nor do I care.

Oh, whoa. That's a lot to say you don't care. I don't care at all. I would love to know. Well, sure, but I think that there's enough... you just need to read these books. Okay. I've been needed to get back into reading.

I think you need to read these books. All right. Because it's so hard for me to explain to you what I'm talking about if you don't read them. Okay. I probably shouldn't be talking about this on the podcast with X number of people. Why? It's so annoying when you say that. Everybody wants to hear what you have said.

It's just the deep tracks. I know. What else are you going to talk about? The weather? I don't know. Don't get me started on the weather. I'm kidding. He's like, don't get me started on the sun.

No, it's... He's like, space is actually watering. No, that's our neighbor who thinks that. And I was like, okay. It's like, give me a couple of years. I think we need you to talk about something. Babe, I don't have much comparison to that. No, come on.

What's something? I'm trying to think of, like, what you've been interested in. People were saying that the Alamo was really about slavery. That's why that book was written. Oh, did you post that? Yeah. Oh, tell me about that. So Danny saw when we were looking for my book, she saw a book that said, forget the Alamo. And it enraged her. Because again, this is such a, oh my gosh, wait, wait, wait, wait. This is a great connector point. What how we're going to connect the dots in these podcasts is we're talking about things that we were taught as common knowledge growing up. And we were taught that the earth is

6,000 years old. And we were taught to remember the Alamo. Yes. So if you're not from Texas, we literally was ingrained into our brain. To remember that. Always remember the Alamo. Because we wouldn't be here without them. Kind of. Kind of. I mean, we lost. Yeah, we lost, but like Texas is still Texas. But it's just like that's like the pride of like, do we remember that home? Because they like sacrificed their lives to like for Texas. It's just like. Okay. like a it's like a Texas pride thing but yeah they were they were saying that it was because um

Mexico wanted to get rid of slavery and Texas wanted to keep it and the alamo was really all about slavery I'm sure it's part of it hold on let's ask one yeah I mean I'm gonna tell you something nothing is as what it seems nothing is what is hold on so there's always like was the alamo about protecting slavery and Santa Ana right Santa Ana led the Mexican troops over to Texas

wanted to abolish slavery but I thought they wanted the land yeah they probably it could be both that's the thing it's like it doesn't have to be one or the other but yeah like like some like some people DM me and they're like yeah my

history teacher wouldn't even wouldn't even say Davy Crockett out loud Really? Yeah. Oh. But Davey Crockett was just kind of like one of those guys that he just kind of joined in on like wherever the fights were happening. Because he doesn't, he wasn't even a Texan. He's a Tennessean.

He's from Tennessee. But he just like, he was called over from like and he just like, he's like, I'm going to go fight with these guys now. So it said Santa Ana's relationship to slavery about abolition is also more complicated than the way it looks. What's true about the slavery angle, Mexico had abolished slavery in 1829 under President Guerrero. American settlers who had moved into Texas brought enslaved people with them and had no intention of giving them up. This created immediate friction with Mexican law. Stephen F. Austin. Wow.

College named after him. The founder of the American colony in Texas lobbying Mexico City repeatedly to be exempted from the abolition law. So Stephen F. Austin wanted slavery. the Mexican government repeatedly refused tensions over slavery were real documented economically significant cotton plantations in Texas depended on enslaved labor and the settlers knew it so when Texas declared independence in 1836

its new constitution explicitly protected slavery and prohibited free black people for oh my gosh they're right okay here's what's more complicated just to read the whole thing the men who died at the Alamo were not a monolithic group with a single motivation. They included Jim Bowie. I haven't heard that name in forever.

Jim Bowie. Jim Bowie. A slave trader and land speculator. With direct financial interest in keeping slavery. William Travis, a slaveholder. Davy Crockett, a Tennessean frontiersman who had recently lost his congressional seat. You know, wow.

Nothing is that it seems. We should forget the alamo. You know what? Can I tell you something that's maybe just warping my mind right now? Is that maybe I'm related to Steve and F. Austin? No. Do you remember during COVID when they were trying to tear down all those statues? Yeah.

And at the time, I feel like I was like, guys, like, calm down. Like, what are we doing here? Yeah. You know, just move on. Just walk past the statue. Yeah. I like understand their cause like they were trying I like I like I like understand we have a racist yeah they were like why are we doing this and really isn't this is actually like a crazy podcast if you

think about it because what we're doing is it's like we're reevaluating history we're de-influencing history I mean I need to get back into history so we just went on a journey journey from ancient civilizations to Genesis to the Alamo. And isn't what is crazy about history? Is we ever really know? Is history written by the victors? I mean, yeah, it's like, but that's why. Is it all propaganda?

Interesting because then you get, you know, Anne Frank's diary and she sees it a completely different way. I know. So it's kind of like. Just putting together these puzzles. It's putting the other pieces. But the one thing we can't do is just say,

here's the narrative, mainstream, and be like, here's all it is. That's crazy. It's crazy because there's always, because there's always different perspectives and different motives for everyone. And you could be fighting on the same team. It's like being a,

let's just say, conservative or a Republican. You could like some things about the Republican, that party, but hate other parts of it. So just because you support, one candidate doesn't mean that you're racist or you're this or you're that because you support this one thing, you know, like you could hate one part of it, but also be against abortion. Like, you know, it's like, it's like all history has all mainstream history has tried to do is put a nice fancy bow on a very, a simple bow on a complicated problem.

Every conflict. Every war. Every conflict. Every, every conflict. Yeah. Otherwise, if it was so simple, it wouldn't be a conflict. Why are buying into all these like, I need to like, like all of these fifth grade history books I read. I'm like, you guys don't even know what you're talking about. Yeah. The race to space. I'm now starting to question the whole education system too. I think you've been doing that for a while.

I mean, yeah, this is why you got a homeschool your kids. It's just, it's just interesting. So interesting. Yeah. Wow. I saw like this old dude. We've de-influenced a lot today. I saw this dude yesterday at Barnes & Noble.

He was just perusing the history aisles. And I was like, this man. He knows. He knows some stuff. He was looking in like books about South Korea. God, I'd love to sit across from you at the dinner table. If you really understand history from every single side, I feel like it's got to make you so humble.

Tell me more. Because in my opinion, the people who are very dogmatic about like this is what happened, this is the only way it happens is the only way you're able to look at it. It takes such an immense amount of like intellectual pride to be so confident in that. Because in reality. Just reminds me of my like sixth grade history teacher. Yeah, because in reality, well, the state is telling them what to teach. Just to be clear.

Seventh grade, actually. The state is telling them what she's... No, but she was very passionate about it. Texas history. Yeah, no. But if you look at history with a unbiased, curious, open-minded lens, it forces you into humility because you have to see the humanity on all sides. Yeah.

Like you have to understand, like, you know, oh, the U.S. invading this country was probably like, here was their perspective of why they wanted us out, right? Whereas like, you know, history from our perspective, in every country's perspective, like, I bet you're, if you're in Russia learning about world history from their lens, it's a totally different world history than from our lens. Yeah. And so like it just, when you open your mind and you try and see it from all sides, it's a very like, oh, I can't be prideful about anything because everything is so complicated. Yeah. So nuanced.

And so nuanced. And. Yep. That's so cool. So cool. Let's go to the book store right now. I'm fired up. I'm fired up. We got to go read a Kindle.

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