De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - Putting “Happy Wife Happy Life” to the Test

Episode Date: April 16, 2026

We’ve all heard “happy wife, happy life”… so we decided to actually put it to the test. In this episode, we get into marriage dynamics, decision making, and what it really looks like trying to balance two personalities while raising four kids. From weekend planning to who actually gets what they want, this one gets real fast. We also end up deep in MomTok drama, Taylor Frankie Paul, and a new law around kids and content that has everyone talking. It’s honest, a little chaotic, and one of those conversations that somehow all ties together. Thanks for hanging out with us. We rounded up some great deals from a few of our favorite brands for you: If you're ready to take the next step in your life, whether that is merch, your own hair care line, or something in between, go to shopify.com/dani and make it happen. It doesn't matter where you're at in your entrepreneur journey, Shopify is there to make your life and selling journey easier. We've worked out a special deal with Hiya for their best selling children's vitamin. Receive 50% off your first order. To claim this deal you must go to hiyahealth.com/DANIAUSTIN. This deal is not available on their regular website. Take proactive care of your vaginal health and head to OPositiv.com/DANI or enter DANI at checkout for 25% off your first purchase. Way Day is THE sale to shop the best deals in home-we're talking up to 80% OFF with fast and FREE shipping on everything! Head to Wayfair.com April 25th through the 27th to shop Way Day. Wayfair. Every style. Every home. Subscribe to our official YouTube channel, @deinfluencedpodcast, and follow along on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your De-Influenced fix. You can also find us on Instagram and TikTok at @deinfluencedpodcast. Thanks so much for listening and supporting the show! Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. Deinflienced. If you're watching this on video, I have a big stain on my shirt that looks like it's like on my boob. You got two now. I have two stains. Yeah, yeah. There's a big circle and then a small circle.

How did you know that? I see it right now. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Those are both. So if that's what it looks like, that's what it is. Yeah. It's really hard to see, though.

Like, I would have never known unless you pointed out. I'm really sad. So this is a nude shirt. I got it when they launched at Nordstrom because I basically only buy things from Nordstrom. Like, if you're not at Nordstrom, I'm probably not buying you. Or Ulta. Yeah. And so they finally lunch at Nordstrom and I was like at Descartes.

I got two of them and a size medium. And I'm so sad because this one I wore it one time, it's already ruined. Yeah. It's not their fault. It's my milk's fault. But now I'm like, one of my, I'm still going to wear it. Why don't why don't we dress up more? I feel like you're literally just talking about me.

No, I'm actually, I wear the same thing every day. People comment it all the time. Yeah. And I don't know. I can't, I think about it all the time. I'm like, I have clothes. I can afford to buy clothes. I don't know why I don't want to do it.

I go back. Like, I look forward to Mondays and Wednesdays because that's my day to wear this shirt. Oh, the gray shirt? Because it can't be wearing the same shirt every day. But I rotate between three. Yes. I know. It's so... It's the weirdest thing. I know. Sometimes you do go off and you wear like a blue shirt on a Tuesday. And like look, these pants, the belt loop is broken. Are those lulu or aloe or... Danny, I don't know where these pants came from. I've worn these pants for like four years. I think they're cheap Amazon pants. Really? They might be mine. No, there's no tag. But like there might go. I can figure it out for you. They're my go to pants. But like what's

going to happen is summer's going to come around and then I'm going to switch to my Viori shorts. Yes. Your legs have been looking fire lately. Thank you. Oh, wait. Oh, you don't want to talk about it. No, I don't want to talk about it. Okay. Oh, I thought we're going to, I thought you're going to, you know, make it a moment. Like, tell me more. Like, and just like beg for more. You know how you do. No, I only do that privately with you because that's my love language. Words of affirmation. Yeah. Yeah. And you're, you're very selective about giving them. Well, you know why I gave it to you? Why? Because you went on a walk with me to that estate sale this morning. Which was quality time. Quality time. Which I said yes to because I said this isn't about the estate cell. Yeah. This is about quality time. I mean,

and you know it wasn't. That estate sold sucked. Sorry. Yeah, it did suck. It was like, weird stuff. It was weird ju-too in there. It's like, why would I buy a hammer? Did you go into like the shed in the back with all the stuff. Yeah, I didn't like being there. Bad things happened for sure. Yeah, I know. Yeah, it was actually a scene out of a movie where you walk in and they're like all of the saws and knives are like hanging out on one wall. And then I don't know if you saw this. There was like a really freaky looking mirror with like a light bulb attached to it. I'm like, what were you looking at? Because like in my mind when you asked me to go, I was like realistically we could go after the podcast and that would be better for me. Yeah. But it's like I just was like this is the moment. It's the fork in the road. Yeah. If I say yes now, I feel like that will mean more. Because if you see. say no, then I think, then what's the point of life if we can't walk to an estate sale? I know 100%. I knew that's where your mind was going. If we can't stop and just go to an estate sale and like and here's the thing. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. I know. People just think people get so stressed out about work and doctor's appointments and all these things. And it's like stop and smell of

flowers and go to the estate sale. Yeah. I'm teasing. No, but kind of. No, but yeah. But like within reason. Yeah, within reason. Yeah, yeah. So we had fun though. But yeah, the estate sale was interesting. That was my first time. Do you know that?

At an estate sale? You know, I'm so sad. I've never been to an estate sale that just like really hits. Like every single time I go, I'm like, I'm going to find some furs. I'm going to find some hidden pearls, some like really cool vintage cowboy boots. No, never. It's so annoying when people are on Instagram, like, I went thrifting and I went and they find all this stuff. And I'm like, how?

Like when I go to Goodwill, I don't find anything good. Yeah. Is there a difference between an estate sale and a garage sale? Because I went to a lot of those. Oh, did you know that Tornado had so many garage sales that the city of Dallas had to like come and like investigate our house? Yeah, that makes sense. Babe, the amount of garage sales that I have had in my like worked in my life with my mother. Yeah.

Babe, I can't, I can't even tell you. It's like I grew up in a. garage sale. Like I, I, it's just like, wow, so many memories are unlocked when you said that. But yes, the garage sale is different than estate sale and estate sale. I'm assuming an estate sale is like usually when someone passes away and it's just like, you go through their home, you hire a company, they put on the estate sale and it's just like everything. Like they were selling literally everything like newspaper clippings. Yeah, chlorox. Like anything left over, which is really great if you need tools or if you need cleaning supplies, whatever, you can get it for like a dollar,

you can get hammers, saws, whatever. My favorite thing that I found there was that rack, the storage rack. Yeah. That was pretty nice. Danny's obsession with storage is the most fascinating thing in the world. Guys, we've been looking for a new house for straight up three years. and we have passed probably on seven houses because there just simply wasn't enough storage. It wasn't that there was no storage. It was that there wasn't enough to satisfy Danny's conception of potentially all of the things that we have. Can I tell you something? You are, these are things that you don't know that you need to thank me for because you don't know how much I'm saving you from just,

clutter all around our house. Like our playroom has a closet. Most playrooms that we look at don't have a closet. Think about all the toys in that closet. They would be out in your house. Yeah. Where would they go? No, I'm not talking about that story. I saved your life. I'm not talking about closet space. The amount of times I save your life and you don't even realize it, it's just crazy. No, guys. I'm just not appreciated around here. We have passed on houses because Danny didn't know where we would put our eight strollers. I was laughing with the designer who was designing this last house. She was like, well, how many strollers do you guys have?

And I was like, I pulled her aside and go, listen, we have eight strollers. You have four children. I was like, we have eight strollers. I was like, I do not know why, but she will not get rid of any of the strollers. I was like, this garage is not big enough for the strollers. Jordan, okay, first of all, you know why we won't get rid of the strollers. We have a wagon. We have a double stroller.

We've never used the wagon. We used the wagon on Halloween. For one night. We should rent a wagon. No. No. And Stella asked me, I'm not, I'm actually not even kidding. Two days ago, Stella asked me to go to the park and she said, can we go in the wagon?

Did you take her? Stella is five years old. She can walk or scooter or ride her bike. She didn't want me to. She didn't want to. She wanted me. I push her in a shoulder to the park. No lie.

Okay. Okay. I did. What if I wouldn't have. had a stroller for her in that moment. What am I? Like just a horrible mom. Yeah, what if? So we have a double stroller, a wagon, a single stroller, a stroller with a bassinet, a travel stroller. I just wish that I wish I could take this mic off the rack and throw it at me. No, no, no, no, no. And walk into the attic and take an inventory of all of the useless crap that we will never touch in our lives. If y'all can't see me,

my jaw is literally hitting the floor. It's on the floor. It's on the floor. floor right now. I have to pick up my jaw and put it back in my mouth. Because you're calling it useless crap. It is Halloween decorations, Christmas decor, Easter decor, Valentine's Day decor, St. Patrick's Day decor, Jordan. I am making this house a home and you are not appreciating it. Pillows. I don't might listen. Christmas lights. You know, I'm saving presents for next year. It's very similar to like my fear sometimes of giving you more storage. I just want you to like live a year without me. See what happens.

You'll be walking around and crap. You'll be on the show hoarders all of a sudden. I will be on the show hoarders. Yeah, because you won't know where to put everything. No, I'll get rid of things. Yeah. And then what are you going to do when Christmas comes around? Your kids are going to be so sad because it's not going to feel like Christmas.

We could, we could honestly. No, we will get new toys. No, we will get new toys. but then I will very covertly throw away all of the other toys or donate them. You're going to look at your receipt at the end of your life and be like, wow, I spent $200,000 on Christmas decor over the span of 40 years because I got rid of it every year. No, Christmas decor, listen. That's what's mainly in there, honey.

Okay, listen, can I tell you something? This is, this is. Also, Bastinets are in there because we always were like, we might have another baby, we might not. I also save all of Stratton's clothes because he's four, and I have another. one-year-old and a newborn coming up, and I don't want to buy new clothes. So I save all of his clothes, all his shoes, everything. It's passed down. I have a storage closet for that too. I'm just saying, I understand, and I think that this house has an adequate amount of storage, but the houses that we have been looking for for our four children are much larger houses.

But they're built by men that are dumb and don't know that we need a lot of storage. But if... There was a house we looked at that was like 8,000 square feet, y'all. And it, literally had no storage, no place to put Christmas trees, no place to put your strollers, like no decoration, nothing. It didn't even have like an attic. I was like, this is so built by a man. It's so annoying. But if, if my fear is that, my fear is that if you get more storage, it enables more things. No, and you know that, babe, I'm like the opposite of a hoarder. I throw stuff out all the time. You do. You go through purges. I purge so much. I'm like the opposite of a hoarder.

Like if it's left out, you better watch out. I'm throwing it away. Right. No. I, babe, have you seen our attic? Have you seen these these closets? They're immaculate. They're beautiful. Mm-hmm. Because I keep everything very organized. Yeah. Okay. You're right. I'm so wrong. I'm sorry. Are you just saying that? No. I want to be appreciated. No, I do appreciate. I do think when we walk through these new houses, you think, females think, functionally different than men. Yeah. And I have appreciated a lot of things. I would say my, the hills that you seem to be dying on are two hills that I disagree with, which is, I'm not, I'm going to say one.

There's one where there's like a wine room and I'm like, get rid of it, storage. Yeah. It's like make it storage. But even that one, I totally agree with because you're thinking functionally our kids. Because I'm like, our kids are going to be hanging out in this room. Where are the game's going to go? Where are all the toys going to go? Where all the stuffy's going to go?

Like all the coloring books and the pencils and the pens and the scissors and the crafts. Like that is going to be the room for that. Now, when you walk through the home and they stage it, they stage it as this like beautiful club room. It's like got a pool table. It's got a picture of a horse on the wall. And I'm like, so, it's so sweet that you guys are staging it like this. But this is going to be a family home, like for young children.

And so where are we going to put all of our crap? Maybe the reason I don't appreciate you. Uh-oh. Maybe the reason I don't appreciate you on these two subjects, storage and the stroller garage, is because multiple times through looking through these houses, you have taken what I imagined to be my office and made it storage and put me in the attic where storage should go. No, I have taken what should have been in your office and I made it at the playroom. Yeah, or the playroom. Because the playroom always needs to be in the first floor. There's been a

couple houses that didn't have a gym and I was like, oh, it's okay. I'll like build a gym in the garage and you're like, we can't be doing that. The strollers go there. And I'm like, we don't need the strollers. And you're like, Jordan, we have four kids. We have four children. We need the strollers. So maybe, maybe I feel a little spicy towards those needs of yours because I don't feel like you're, I feel like I have to combat them for my needs. Oh, so you think that keeping shoulders is for my needs. So you think that having a playroom is for me. Well, here's the thing is that the reason I don't have a voice is because I'm sorry that I prioritize our children. This is why I don't have a voice because in your mind, you've created this Trump card that you're like, I'm not actually

thinking about me. I'm thinking about the betterment of my family and myself, my selfish husband is wanting a gym. But babe, so, okay, I'm just saying, though like think about so the way our house is set up we have our kitchen and then we have this room that attaches to the kitchen that was probably so i get it no let me talk i've heard the speech every house we're talking to you i'm talking to my my audience okay okay so we have our kitchen and then we have a living room that's kind of like an open concept and then we have this room that probably was an office that's connected i turned it into a playroom i i added builtins in there.

We have four young children that should not be upstairs without our eyes on them. Okay? So we can't put our playroom upstairs because I can't have a newborn, a two, a one year old, a three year old and a five year old upstairs playing by themselves. Maybe Stella, but it's just not a good idea. So we need that playroom to be within eyesight of the main heart of the home because also like I don't want them swallowing Legos or eating sand or whatever. So I turned that room into the playroom.

That's basically what I'm doing in all of these homes where Jordan's like, oh, this will be my gym. And I'm like, no, that's going to be the playroom. Because this is like where we have to watch our small children. And then it gets his butt hurt. Well, because then, yeah, I don't get my butt hurt. I understand what you're saying. You obviously do. We're talking about it.

I understand what you're saying, but then. But then, you know, babe. I would love to have a nice gym too. I would love to have a wrapping room and a craft room. And how about a massive ass closet? I don't get any of that. You always get the nicest office. No, I don't get the nicest office.

You always get the biggest side. Jordan, your office is so much bigger in the house that we're looking at. And it has a bathroom and a closet connected to it. See, I think you're just trying to manipulate me. I'm not. I would kill for that office because I would love to have my own bath. them in my own closet and my own, it's like my own quarters. But this one is connected to the closet and I'm going to put a secret door in it. That's the other thing. Not only did she take

the best office, she literally connected it to her side of the master closet. I'm just going to stop working. Okay. I'm just to stop working. Okay. And so you can run my Instagram. You can run my Instagram stories. You can do my try on halls. Okay. And then also it's so annoying because your work doesn't really require any needs like I need good lighting I need a place to change yeah I need like good storage put all the clothing that I want to try on for my stuff I get you know my product sent in I have like a little like my office actually does affect my work yours doesn't you're on the phone all day long you could talk anywhere you want yeah you're just I'm I'm actually getting upset I'm getting upset and you pull down it's so annoying because like

you don't even really need anything. And I'm just asking for like so that I don't have to, right now, whenever I do like an Amazon, like if I'm going to try something on, I don't have like decent lighting from my closet. So I run basically half naked to my office. So I was like, oh, this would be amazing if I can just put a secret door in my closet that leads to my office. And he's got, he's all pissed off about it. Sorry, I don't want to be running through the house naked anymore. Luckily, I mean, luckily I think that we may have found a house.

that satisfies all needs. Right? There's a gym. There's a sauna. No, there's not a sauna. There's not a sauna. That's the other thing.

That's the other thing in the negotiation that got taken out. And I know that you and this realtor chick are. Oh my God. You think that the world is out to get you. And we're really not. Nobody wants to like, sorry that we asked for nice appliances. over a sauna. We asked for a stove that was a good quality stove over the sauna and he's like, this is something we're going to use every single day.

The honest, this is the, this is the, this is truly how I feel. I think you're being a little selfish. No. Because I, you know what I want? I want one of those really, does anybody ever want to know what I want? I think they, you know, because everything I'm doing is for the betterment of our family. but what about what I want? Okay, let me tell you what I want. It's so crazy. I want one of those steamers in the closet that you put your clothes in and it's just like, it's like one of those Samsung things or like, I can't remember what brand. You just put it in there and it just steams your clothes.

That's what I want. How come I never get what I want? And I want Sonic Ice Makers. I think that. And we didn't get that either. But you know it's going to go in there. No. First of all, those are so expensive.

So I think when we're looking at the price of everything, I don't know if I'm going to get. get my ice maker, but I've let it go because I'm an adult. So this is my last piece. I feel like I'm very clear. I've learned my lesson over three years of looking at houses. I also would like a massage room and a room where I can get spray tanes. Okay, listen, I've learned my lesson over three years and I walk in and I say, hey, guys, I just want to be super clear on the front end.

I care about three things. Mosquito nets on the back porch. Two, would love a gym, but flexible if there's not space. And then three in office. Okay. So what do I get? The entire house. No, that's not true.

What do I get that special? You get the gym. You get the sauna. You get all this stuff. What about me? Where's my mahjong room? Where's my tennis court? Where's my pickleball court?

I didn't get any of the stuff that I wanted. You got your mirrors? You got your. My mirrors? You got my mirrors. Mears should go in a house regardless. Houses have mirrors, babe. Oh, babe.

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I know, too. It's not. It's like, it's, it's, it's FDA approved. Zerzeveh. And it's supposed to be like replacing some hormone and postpartum that's lost. It's a drug that you take for postpartum, but you only take it for 14 days. Yeah. And I would say, I would say it's going really well.

Yeah. That's what I was going to say. I wanted you to finish the sentence, but I personally say it's going really well. Yeah. I mean, you're a little sleepy sometimes. I'm really sleepy. I slept a lot. But I would say in a lot of ways...

Anybody else is taking it? Can you let me know if that wears off? Because I do yawn a lot throughout the day. And I, that's one thing about me. That's why I never really got into weed. I was like just never really a weed girl. I didn't really like to smoke.

Because I like to feel up, not down. Yeah. I was more into the Adderall situation. Point, point being is... I was an up or not a downer. And this drug. does kind of make you feel a little sleepy. Yeah, she's, in a lot of ways, she's back.

She's back, you know? I don't know about that. We'll see. Yeah, I mean. I'm obviously still feeling a little irritable. Yeah, well, yesterday you took two of the zoosophans. Not zoosophane. We're literally, we're making this up.

It's Zerzubei, I think. Yeah. Well, you took two of the Zuzuzis yesterday, and now you took one. And I would say yesterday you were less irritable, but more tired, a little bit more docile. Now you took one. Yesterday. And you were a little spicier. I was on a plane of Mars yesterday.

I was like, I was like, woo do, do, do, do, and like everything I said, I was like,

I am Iron Man. Like, I was like so slow with everything. Yeah. It made me so groggy. Um, but today I did, I talked to my doctor about it and she was like,

just take what also, okay, this is so crazy about, let's actually have this chat. this chat chvety like explain what this drug does because um let's see can you explain what zerzube does like i am five five years old it's like well you're feeling sad it's a zuzuzzi zer zerzuv um i have to tell you okay imagine your brain is like a big control center with lots of tiny messengers that help you feel happy calm or sad

Zerzubei is a medicine that helps moms who feel really, really sad after having a baby. This is called postpart depression. Here's a simple version. Your brain has a calm down button. Sometimes after having a baby, that button stops working well. So you might feel extra sad, worried or overwhelmed. Zerzouvet is like a helper that presses the calm down button again. It helps your brain feel peaceful, less sad.

Get back to feeling more like yourself. And the cool part, it only takes two weeks. It's a helper medicine that tells your brain, hey, it's okay. You can relax again. You know why I know it's working is Danny and her mom went and got their nails done yesterday. And Danny was holding the baby. So she called like at six her mom. And I answered.

And she goes, hey, is Danny around? And I go, yeah, she's holding the baby. Do you want me to tell her something? She goes, just tell her I had a really good time today. And I go, oh, I was like, here, let me hold the phone up to her. You tell her that. It's not that you all don't have a great relationship. It's just classic mother daughter stuff.

But I was like, oh, this is interesting. You're like, you're like, Hannah, it's a zonzie. I was like, y'all didn't fight at all. So that's how, you know. Like, yeah. The secret is, I mean, that's, that's a walking ad right there for zizuzza, friend. Zoh, oh, okay, this is the weirdest part about the Zerzuzze Bay. Zerzzi, Zerzzi, Zerzubei.

Wait, hold on. Can you tell me what is happening with hormones, question mark? So I, when I'm postpartum, I have the worst night sweats. But I get this like stench. Like I smell so bad. It's not like sweat. Like that's like, you know, you go outside, you sweat when you're working out. That just smells like sweat.

Like, you know, this is just like a disgusting smell. And it always happens postpartum and it will always go away. But it's like postpartum. when I started taking this, it completely went away. I'm talking to nobody because Jordan's on his phone. So, emergency. Does it have to do with me? No, nothing is you with you.

Okay, then I'm good. Enxiety. That's usually the type of calls that you take like that, it's usually like, So People magazine came out with an article. No, that's just your PTSD. No one calls me about you anymore. They called Jenny. Danny.

She heft up. She heft up big. So we're going to need her go dark for a couple of days. She's breastfeeding. We had a nip slip. Imp slip. That's probably already often. Okay.

So this is a Zuzave. So it says your body has tiny helpers called hormones. They're like little messengers that can tell your brain and body how to feel. Two really important ones after having a baby are estrogen and progesterone. What happens after a baby is born while you're pregnant, those hormones are super high. Right after the baby comes out, they drop really fast. Like, imagine you're way up on a high roller coaster and then suddenly you drop straight down.

That big drop makes your brain feel sad, anxious, overwhelmed. That's what causes post-part depression. Whereas Zerzuvivay comes in, your brain has a natural calm-down chemical system. Think a cozy blanket. When hormones crash, that system doesn't work as well. Zerzuzovai helps turn that calm system back on. So even though your hormones dropped, your brain can feel safe again. Again, I feel like I should have been like explained to me like I'm in high school.

Not like five. This is like really not helping me. But basically you are missing a hormone and this gives you a synthetic version of the hormone to balance you out. Yes. Yes. I guess. Yeah. I mean in it, it's working.

I know, but it makes me sleepy. Maybe that's because you know what I think? It's like I'm basically in my first trimester again. That's when I'm sleeping. because it replaced that hormone. Oh, that's probably true. It's a sleepy hormone. But are you sleepy right now?

So sleepy. Oh, like groggy? Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. They say it wears off after like a week, though. Oh, so you were looking at that big. It's like you were like, you were like nails out a second ago and now you're like, let's cuddle.

I do feel a little, I do feel a little like this. this drug. Like, like up and down? Yeah. I don't see, that's what's weird is like just objectively, I haven't felt that from you. I felt like you like maybe a little tense, but you know, I've seen worse. Like I feel like it's been for you, you've felt very like yourself consistently. That's what I've appreciated about it. Not for you, for you, not for me, for you. I told Jordan. I was like, yeah, I'm not going to take this anymore. more. It's making me so tired. He's like, well, let's just take it. Just take one. Just take one. Just take one. Just see what happens. I was like, let's not give up on it just yet.

He's like, you got this, babe. You got this. Anyway, so that's been happening. Yeah, because I was feeling pretty anxious, but. Oh, yeah. How's your steady film of anxiety? It's like, it's like a little cinnamon sprinkle now on top. Really? So less. It was like, like, it was like, like heavy foam, then it was like light foam and then it was like sprinkle. Now it's like cinnamon. That's great. That's great. And nothing else has changed. You're drinking the same amount of coffee and all that. Yeah, I can't even finish a cup. I get a little jittery. I get a little crazy. I've never been a huge caffeine drinker though. Yeah. You got a lot of natural energy. I've never been like one that could take like three cups of coffee in a day except for when I'm

depressed. That's what you know. Yeah. Because I could drink like seven coffee. and I'm just out. It's so true, though. Like, that's literally like the, that is the litmus test or if I'm depressed. But I'm definitely not because I drink a half a cup of coffee and I'm like, ooh. It's just always been a little too much

for my system. Yeah. You can drink a lot of coffee. I know. I really should cut back because I used to drink a smaller cup than this, but then I migrated the bigger cup and I could still drink more.

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We would have been so much less stressed. We're like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Trust me, I thought about starting a million businesses before Debbie. But they all didn't really make sense. Divi really just came out organically. I had a personal problem that I just needed to be solved. Which is what everyone needs. I remember when you looked at me and you were like, hey,

I can't turn on the TV and I don't know how to build this business. How do I build this website? And you were like, how are we going to do this? And I was like, I have a solution for you. No, because I've always worked by myself. So I had no idea how to build a team, how to start a website, let alone manufacturing and the actual product. But to be fair, I never knew how to actually solve problems people cared about. That was you.

Thank you, boom. Thank you. So the number one thing is like we honestly couldn't have done it. from our unborn son's nursery without like a reliable official platform behind the business. And you know, it's always really scary to start something. But, you know, as time has gone on, platforms like Shopify have kind of really changed starting a business because you can do it essentially overnight. So it makes it possible for regular people or early entrepreneurs or solo entrepreneurs to really build something real. Or for moms. Or moms, solo entrepreneurs.

I don't, I don't, those can be male, male or female. Shopify is basically the backbone of how we run our storefront today and has been the backbone of how we ran it in the past. So when we're in our unborn sons nursery, we literally launched our website like overnight. It's where we currently still manage our products, our orders, our customer data, everything. And what I like is it, it's, it helps us really like own our business and understand our business because they're really good at like the analytic side of the business as well. Yeah. That part really is huge. And can we also talk about shop pay? So as an online avid online shopper,

it's something that makes checking out so much easier. Like I don't have to pull out my information every time, especially when I'm pumping, you know, and they ask for all this, these numbers. And like, I don't have to do any of that. Shop pay is like everything. Yeah. And I mean, not to mention fewer abandoned carts, which we know how much revenue a business can lose from being like, oh, maybe I'll get this. Oh, my child's crying. People just get distracted. Quicker, faster, easier, better conversion rate. Less friction, which is equals more conversions, which equals a happy business owner. And now they have something called sidekick, which is basically like an AI co-founder. It helps with things like analyzing sales trends and optimizing your site. I swear,

AI is just taking over, which is great because you're not doing all of it manually. anymore. Yeah. And honestly, if you had sidekick when we started Divi, you wouldn't have needed me. That's what true. That's so true. So, you know, most founders, I think, start businesses because they love like the product side, like Danny. They don't want the spreadsheets and like the hassle and the manufacturing and all that. And all, you know, what's great is that Shopify has made all of that a lot more streamlined for people who just have an idea and want to start something. Truly, because like that's not why I started a business. I didn't want to deal with all of that stuff. I was more interested in like the mission and the creativity and the product development. So maybe if you want to start something,

this is your sign from this ad. Go build your store, own your audience and create something last. Start on Shopify.com slash Danny. Jordan has this weird thing about him that he can, he eats all food cold and drinks coffee cold. I can eat food. I can eat food. I've been meaning to talk to you about that. What? That you serve our kids cold food a lot. No, I don't. Yeah, you do.

Is it because I make it and then I get them dressed and then they come down, it's cold? And I really don't like that. I really don't like that. I don't want to set that precedent for my children. What's? That they can, it's okay to eat cold food. Don't become like your daddy. Like your dad?

No, like you're saying like to them. don't become like your daddy. No, I just like, I don't, that's just so not cool. Like, I want my kids to eat hot food, you know? I just want the best for them. Okay, yeah. Yeah, and I don't like when you do that. Because like, ew.

Is it really that much colder when I'm upstairs? I mean, how long am I upstairs? Like 10 minutes. Babe, I want to serve them food right off the skillet where they have to, like, blow on it to make sure they don't burn their tongue. You've been really thinking about this? So much. And I, like, for years, honestly.

And I've never told you. I've never told you. You know why? Because I'm not a naggy wife. I'm telling you now. And it makes me sick. It makes me sick. When you feed our children cold food.

But like, you know, it's like one of those things where like he's making the food, so don't complain. Yeah. But man, it kills me. I can tell you're like that about their lunches too. Oh, I. Let's just get it out right now because there's been there's been steam coming out of your ears. When I make their lunches every morning. No, I don't, I'm not mad about it.

But like, you literally give all of our, like, you give Stella the fruits that she hates. And you give Stratt and the fruits that he hates. I'm like just love them. Because Stella doesn't like grapes. And she doesn't like cheddar bunnies. And she doesn't like a lot of things. And it's exactly what Jordan, what Jordan gives her. I mean, we have the regular bunnies and then we have the cheddar.

And then Danny's like, don't give her the cheddar. She likes the regular ones. Right. And so. and then, you know, but honestly, that doesn't bother me because like, but then Jordan's like, whatever, like, they'll learn.

I'm like, no, they're just not going to eat it and they're going to come home starving, you know? Yeah. But it's okay. I'm actually not, it's the cold food thing that, I'm like, because you know what? I don't want to eat cold food, but you don't care,

but just because you don't care doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't care. You don't want to raise our kids like that. It's like, no, I want the best. I want them to like remember like hot food at home. Like, you know, like the one thing about my mom, she always gave me hot food. Yeah. But it was expired.

No, I'm saying. It was like three years expired. No, I'm saying that's what I want my kids to say about me. Oh, oh, got you. I was going to say, you know, when they're like 50, 60 years old and they're like, what kind of childhood? And it's like, my mom always gave us hot food. My dad, though, man, food was always cold. If you're going to be serving like food like that, you need to be doing some egg salad.

sandwiches, things that don't need to be hot. Right. Kinoa salad. Caesar salad. It's just so hard. Hard boiled eggs. Those could be cold. So, you know, you really need yogurt.

You can be on yogurt patrol. I need to get them dressed downstairs after. Well, eggs are so fast to make. You can make them in like two minutes. I know I do. And then they're too hot. And then I go change them. No, babe.

And then they're too cold. We want steam coming off of the eggs on our. plate. Okay. We want to be like, we want to be like, I got to touch it to make sure it's not going to burn my tongue. Yeah. You know, that food is so much better hot. Have you ever heard that term learned helplessness? I've learned helplessness with the TV. I don't want to learn it. Yes. It's kind of like, yeah, it's kind of like I feel, I feel like there's this phenomenon where it's like probably good meaning husbands who are trying to help. just kind of give up on trying.

We kind of make it worse because then it's like, now I have to make eggs again. Right. But it's like you were trying to help. But then what happens is then you guys get resentful because you're like they're not helping. But it's like every time I've tried to help, I've gotten my hand slapped. So it's like it's kind of learned helplessness. And it's like, I'm not going to try.

Oh my God. No, I'm not, no. I'm not saying I'm not going to try. I'm saying that this I think is is an interesting. But like why don't you just do it right? Well, I mean, I thought I was. This is the first time hearing about this warm food issue. I just like.

I know, it blows your mind. The fact that you're even okay with that cold food. Well, to me it's not that. Kind of like when you sleep with sweats on. Oh, yeah, every night. I can't not sleep with sweats. And my eighth sleep is really warm. Yeah, I don't know.

I know. This is who you married? It's just me. It's just me. What are you going to do? No, I, I resonate with the learned helplessness. There are things that I just don't want to learn anymore. I want you to do for me. Yeah. And I know that you can do it. But you, but you prove to me that you, or you communicate to me that you can't. And then you actually can't. What are some things I can't do? I can build pretty much anything Like put together things

Yeah I can put together things I could figure out tools I can One thing I can't do Know what day it is I don't know what day it is most days the week Anything to do with our insurance Ove my head I don't even know I don't know

They're like I don't really think I do they're like Like does your insurance cover this? I'm like Yep I don't know I'm like Jordan doesn't Does it cover this? I don't know. I don't know. Anything to do with working the television?

I don't know. I don't want to know. I want you to come fix it for me. Yeah. I would say like, it's interesting because you're planning Stratton's entire birthday party. Yeah. Which is like three weeks in advance. Uh-huh. But if I'm like, hey, what should we do this weekend? No, I can do it.

I just yeah but you don't want to it's the weird thing it's not that I don't want to I just don't want to have plans I know that's what I'm saying but if I had to have plans like if we were going to go to like Ella Langley concert get a party bus before and then you know spend the night at a hotel like I could definitely do that 100% and I would kill it well but like this Saturday for example like I like to have plans even when it's like I like to wake up and be like we're going to do today. It's like, where's the wind gonna blow us? No, I know. I know. It's so fun. It's like, we wake up and we're like, let's go get donuts and then what do we want to do? Bike ride? Nah, let's go swimming. Okay. Let's go Chick-fil-A. We want to have a picnic? Nah.

Movie night, yeah. No, I know. That's like, it's just like, it's like a day of summer. It's like, you know when you woke up in summer, like, and you just like had no idea what the day had for you? It's best. No. And you just walk outside and you're like, hey, Alex Phillips, like, let's go play.

It's like, what are we going to do? I just don't know if that translates to four kids. I know. That's why I just let you play in it. No, but then you don't. Because then I ask you and I'm like, hey, like, what do you want to do this weekend? And then typically what happens is you're like, let's go see a movie. Yeah.

And I'm like, well, we can't take a newborn and summit to the movie. Yeah. But then we don't have like. Plans. Yeah, we don't have a plan. So then like, it's like, what else are we going to do? You know, it's like, that. That's so great. Like we have to have, we've got to figure this thing called Life Out with four kids.

Yeah. So then I'm like, let's go to the mall. And it's total chaos. And I'm like, hit hit me again. I love it. Yeah, that makes sense. That adds up is I think that you're very, your question was, what can I not do? And I would say, which. Think ahead. Like, well, no, like plan a normal day. Like, we can plan Ella Langley's and Shredensburg. party is like a normal day i don't think that you like to think through like the logistical impact of the situation totes my goats which you know maybe i'm wrong yeah you know maybe i'm wrong for trying to like engineer a saturday or make sure that like everyone's stable yeah f me like are the kids fed i don't know uh so well what would you want to do

this Saturday. Well, I'm trying to get the pool fix because, like, I think that that would be fun for the big kids. Okay. Okay. You know, um, they're loving half-priced books. Stratton is, not Stella. Stella is like, okay with it. Stella's not really much of a reader.

But that's the thing is that, like, we, we have so many kids that, like, we can't just, like, piece out and take the big kids somewhere, like, it's got to be something that's, like, good for, for everyone. And that's what's so exciting about it. it to figure it out to figure it out like even a bike ride we can't go on a bike ride yeah unless i stay here unless you stay back you know true true which i'm totally cool with but then i'm like okay well i want to plan things for the big kids but you're like i want to wake up and figure it out then and i'm like well okay well like what if i need to like get a new tire for the bike but see the thing is is like with a

newborn and a 14 month old, we can't really go anywhere anyway. It's like, what would be planned that we could take four kids to? I mean, we could go to that new place, Rodhas place. Yeah. Yeah, with the newborn. Yeah. The Rowan Club or whatever. Yeah, we could do that. See, this is like, look, we're generating ideas. We're thinking. Every Monday, I'm like, I'm going to soft sell it and be like, hey, think about what you want to do this weekend. I got an idea. Then on Wednesday I come to you and I'm like, Hey, have you thought about this weekend? Then on Thursday, I'm like, Danny, what are we going to do this weekend? And then on Friday, I'm like, hey, listen, I'm afraid there's going to be conflict if you don't tell me we're going to do this weekend.

I got an idea. How about this? So we all pile in the car. We all go get breakfast tacos. All wait in the car with the kids. You go inside and get them. We'll eat the tacos in the car. We'll do the same thing.

We'll drive to Marit. You and I, you and me, we get a coffee. All run inside since you went inside and got the table. tacos and then we'll drive to rowan club we'll go inside eat our tacos and drink our coffee while our kids play you did it dude i'm telling you it's about to be the most lit Saturday of your life and listen what made that so why couldn't you told me that on a monday because it's not fun because like i probably we probably would have done the same thing i just would have figured it out in the moment yeah but and that's the thrill yeah it's just like not being told what to do

Yeah. So if it's on a Monday, it's you're being controlled. But if it's on Saturday morning, it's like, ooh. Yeah. I'll change it up. Maybe I'll choose Waterburger and get an HBCB instead. The flexibility, the optionality. That's the fun part. Wow. What are we going to do on Sunday now that I have you? Well, the good news is it'll take, you know, two hours to get ready for church. We'll go to church. nap time right after. Yeah. I just say we chill and like watch a show or something. Totally. Wow.

We have our weekend planned. Well, like we really had to plan that out. See, I hated that. I hated that. Everything about the last minute I hated. Because what if I wake up and I want to go to them all instead after after church? Are you going to just like disown me? Well, the real side of this is technically speaking.

who's controlling who here because technically you would be controlling all of us to your whims well i would ask you guys what you want to do but you never really care i know that's true that's true okay that's fair you never really have an opinion so it really is up to me that's fair that's true wow there's some there's some nuggets in here i don't know what they are but there's some nuggets Night Jordan was like, are y'all like this? So I have a theory that it's most of the time. It's like I think that men are like happy wife, happy life across the board.

Like even going back, this is where we're going to tie this whole episode in a bow. To the Roman Empire? No, even going back to the house. It's like these are the three things, but I would trade those three things for happy wife, happy life. One thousand percent. I would have my office be in a closet. I would throw a fit, but I would do it ultimately because happy wife, happy life. And I think that that applies to weekends too.

It's like, and I've noticed this about myself that it's like whatever, I feel like if, if wife is stable, then everyone's stable. 100%. Everyone is stable. But sometimes I question, I'm like, okay, should, there be so then so then is the is the thing for a husband I'm genuinely asking this is the thing for a husband to just have no expectations or wants or desires and maybe that's the truth and it's like that's the role is like pure self sacrifice and I'm honestly generally okay I'm 90% okay with it

95% okay with it but I don't know I don't know the answer. I feel like a lot of it is just you're you're taking the little victories when you can because you're so right happy wife happy life. Like I'd rather not get to do necessarily what I wanted to do and her be happy than me do what I want and her not be stoked for the whole day. Yeah. But like yeah, no for sure. But then there's those other guys out there that are like, hey, I run my ranch. I'm going to be go if I want to golf, I'm going to be golfing. And I'm like, is your marriage really good? Like, how do you have a good marriage in that scenario?

Because, like, I feel like the happy wife, happy life concept is the key to a happy marriage. It's the key to her being fulfilled and me being fulfilled, right? And the kids being stable. Are you listening to you this? Yeah. What happened now with you? I just want you to see how it feels. Oh, really?

No. there was just a law that passed the influencer law i saw that oh you did yeah but we already do all that stuff right it's like you got to you got to like have a trust or yeah like compensate your children for every video yeah no i think it's great yeah we already do that like even a video where you have affiliate sales i don't i think just generally speaking like what they're saying is like your kids need to be on payroll for the business? No, it says specifically. The bill was, so Senate bill, 1469, does not allow children under 14 to appear in online videos

that make money. Adults who violate this law can receive a $2,000 penalty. The bill was passed by House, blah, blah. If an adult creates a video with a child who is at least 14 and that video brings in money, the bill requires the adult to place part of the earnings into a trust account for that child. Oh, so 14 and above or under 14? If an adult creates a video with a child who is at least 14. Yeah.

So this doesn't apply to us. But I think it's great. Oh, if they're at least 14. Yeah. Oh, it doesn't allow children under 14 to appear in any online videos that make money. Hmm. So I guess it's like if you, like if I was like, I really like this stroller and my kids are in the video. Or if I'm like wearing a solid baby wrap or something, you can't.

make money off that video. I don't really make money off my videos though. Yeah, it's not really how it works. We'll have to look into that one. Well, you know what? It's okay to put these kids to work sometimes. I mean, come on. How are they going to learn?

My mom brazed me in a garage sale. I was shilling when I was four. Like, get over it. My kids have it pretty good. I think that if what they're trying to do is like, make sure that your children like if your kids don't turn if the parents are building an influencer business around family content and they're not putting something like compensating the kids in some form or fashion whether it be through a trust or payroll like and so the kids turn 18

with nothing even though they like quote unquote like worked for it I guess this is just the government putting their hands in places they shouldn't be in my opinion I honestly I kind of agree on this one Because I'm like, Dude, like, you can't. You're gonna, you're gonna, I just don't. And it's like the way that, it's just so frustrating. It's like the way we also don't spoil our kids is we teach them.

And I'm not saying through videos. Like, this is not, I'm not relating this to the internet. But it's like, like, I feel like one of the reasons why I have this work ethic is truly, y'all, like my mom did. Like, we would set up a table at El Mercado in San Antonio. And I was like five, six years old.

And we were selling fake cats. Like my mom, so what's the difference between that and working in some other capacity? Like we were just working. And honestly, I probably would have much rather been making fun videos with my parents than selling trinkets on the side of the road in San Antonio for hours on end. It's like we teach our kids how to work and we involve them in our work. And like my dad took me up to the market center and he would have me, you know, setting up clothes and showing clothes and sometimes wearing the clothes to help sell them. And that's how I learned how to work.

And it's like government, like, keep your hands out of like where they shouldn't belong. Because we're just also now not every parent is going to be, you know, fair about these things. But that's just the way that the world works. Like, you know? Yeah. I would say that. Just because you have a couple of bad apples doesn't mean everybody needs to pay. Well, also, I can't speak for every family out there.

And I'm sure that there are parents that handle it different. But there's never a scenario in the past. five years that I can think of where it's like, hey, I'm going to set up this camera. Selly, you're going to perform and do X, Y, Z. They're in the background of things. Yeah, but like you're holding a baby, like because you're like filming holding a baby. Well, that's the number one thing. We never, I always tell brands, if they ever want my kids to be involved, I'm always like,

it is not a guarantee. I'm like, if my kids want to be in it, they will come inside. In fact, Stella is like, annoyingly in the camera. I'm like, Stella, can you scoot over? I'm like, this is my video. And she's like getting up in their face, me, like, here's my outfit, whatever. But so I'm always like, I'm not, I don't ever tell brands that my kids will be in a video. I'm like, it's just, I can't guarantee it.

Because I also don't want to force my kids to be happy whenever they're throwing a fit. That, that feels ick to me. Yeah. But if they happen to be in something, then I'm like, it is what it is. Like, I know influencers get this bad thing, like, you know, but my parents were working all the time in front of me. My mom was a model. Like I would go to shoots and see her shooting or I would go to see, you know, she did commercials and stuff like that. So like realistically, how are they going to enforce this?

Well, they're going to see videos. Yeah, but like there's just going to be someone on the government side just like scrolling. Yeah, like everyone's so organized. They'll be able to do that. Yeah. And then also like how are they going to verify whether the child was compensated or not? Like that doesn't. It kind of just feels like this like fluffy idealistic bill.

Like let's say I agree with it. in principle, like I don't see how it's enforceable. Yeah, it's, it's a weird thing. And it's guys, it's just like, like there's, think of all the TikTokers now. Like everyone's a content creator. Like how the heck are you going to enforce this at mass scale? To me, it's like, okay, fine.

If you can't do this, then you shouldn't, then you can't have kids working at all anywhere, which just makes no sense. Which is the law under 13. Like, but like shadowing or, dude, like. Which like, okay. Kids should learn how to work before they're 13. Well, like, think about...

That's just my opinion. Think about, like, when we first founded America, like, it was very common to, like, and even the Amish probably, like, they raised their kids, like, helping to work the farm. Go, go get some chicken their eyes. Go milk the cow. Kids should learn that they're valuable and that they can do, like, these, like, they can produce and create really cool things at a young age. It's like, then they're going to be so entitled by the time they're 13,

15 years old because they're not going to learn how to work. And work just looks different these days. And I know people get their panties in a butt, but it's like the like video, social media content is the future. Like that's how everybody is making a living these days. It's like, oh, I'm with you. You know what? I'm not the enemy in this podcast. You know who's the enemy? The government. The government. Let's just let's make, let's make sure that your, your spiciness is directed where it needs to go, which is not at me. I would just like to announce that I will be running for president against Jake Paul in 2013.

I just figured out here. I don't know. You know, Jake Paul said he wants to, he's going to run for president. Yeah. He's like, he's like, not because I want to, but just because we need it. That's what he said. Literally. He's like, you know, man, like everybody in my life is telling me like I need, he talks really

so everybody in my life is telling me i need to so no i don't want that i don't want that future for myself but i'll do i will make that sacrifice i think he's just he knows how to get clicks and views and conversation started jordan he was being dead asses serious no i think it's just all like everything is a conspiracy theory for you like he still thinks that taylor frankie paul it wasn't all real he's like they she knew that was going to come out like he's she's just doing it to like to, you know, build her brand or whatever. I'm, okay, listen, I do have another data point on that, though, because... Babe, she's been going through hell on earth.

That's what she said. No, I know she's been going through hell on earth. But the one thing I find strange is that Demi and Brett did that weird musical thing. Are they coming out with his song? Right. I see your true color. Yeah, no, no, no. Do you remember that?

So they did, okay, listen. They did that. Jen Affleck is like all of a sudden on her story. She's like, I'm getting into music and like, she'll like film on our stories. They all need something because the show's about to act. I know.

Playing piano. And then Taylor Frankie Paul just yesterday posted herself playing piano. And she's like, I'm learning. So I just, I genuinely have this belief that like, I'm not saying it was all contrived, but they are all strategically building towards things.

Of course. And I think that she is so freaking smart. Every influencer does that because they don't think that their fame is going to last forever. So they have to find another. They have to become singers, dancers, you know, just something else. Yeah. And it's like, like, listen, I don't know if I'm right about Taylor Frankie Paul. But like, Jesse from the show got like did a whole photo shoot and leaked a clip of her and Marciano holding hands.

Yeah, that was just funny. Like she's working it like she's working it like she's working it. Like, they're all just working it. So like what is real? What is not real? That's a very fair question for me to ask. Like for example, Jesse's like, oh my gosh, like first holiday Easter, you know, without my baby's divorce is hard. And I'm like, okay, are you genuinely saying that or are you just like playing into this role? Jen Affleck showing up without her ring to that one video like are they going through a hard time or they not? Or sometimes you just, I, I get in trouble. I shouldn't be working out with my ring on. Right. But like when she posts that, like, I just believe that they have producers and they have publicists that are very strategically lining this up. I just don't think it's always that calculated. It's not that calculated. Sometimes it's just like I literally forgot to put my ring on and now everybody is assuming all this stuff.

Then why not come out and quickly correct it? Like why? Because you're getting momentum. Why correct it? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So just let it happen. But I don't think it was all about calculated. I like okay for example you're probably right example if I were to um okay so in like six weeks from now actually never mind I know what you're gonna say do something without your ring on no like if somebody thought I was pregnant or something yeah it's like any press is good press I know but so okay here's my whole thing is like you and I know that yes every press but like when you start playing the game except you wouldn't You attack somebody as a mother. And that's why I don't think that Taylor,

Frankie Paul's is fake. I think it's real. Whenever you start playing that game of any press is good press, that's what the producers probably are telling these wives too. No, it's not even a producer telling them. We all know that. You can be an influencer or not.

We all know that. Right. But the producers of this show are probably in their ear saying, guys, like we got to come back bigger and better next season. Apparently the show is done for. That's why they're all finding their things. Allegedly.

Oh my God. This is that. This is that guy. Allegedly. Everything is allegedly. Allegedly. But my point is like I think that they're all playing the game. Okay.

Of course. And I think that you're playing the game too. But I think that Taylor, Frankie Paul is willing to play the game at a level that none of them are willing to play. And I'm just not putting it past her that she would be willing to play the game at the level she played it to hype both the Bachelorette if it ever gets aired and also the comeback of Secret Lives of Morp. Mormon wise. She would. She's an executive producer. She's an executive producer.

She'd never want that video out on the internet. No one would. She literally hit her child with a stool. Like, not good. I mean, that's, I agree with you. I agree with you. That would be,

now if she hit him with a stool, put it out. I'm like, big guy. You can handle it. You know, but your child in the room, like that's where people don't eff around

obviously with children. Like, they don't eff around. And that was not meant to come out. She did not want that out. Nobody wanted that out. But like I'm not, okay, so let me be super clear. I don't.

I agree with you. Like, can you imagine if there was a video that came out? Just think about this, where I was so angry at you, I threw a stool and hit Stella. Like, that would be horrible, horrible. Like, there would never be anything worth promoting for, A, for that to even happen. B, for that to come out on video. Like, do you, I can't imagine the hell that she has been in. If that would have come out, like, that's why she's posting these.

I think she's, that's why she's learning piano because her life is so bad right now. She literally came out on Easter and was like, I've been living like hell on earth the past 40 days because she is hated so much. Do you know much hate I get whenever the seatbelt isn't right on my children? Like, I literally feel like I can't be online for a week. I can't imagine what she's going through. That's fair. That's fair. If you put it into perspective like that, and although she is crazy and although she, you know,

maybe lost sight of what is important for a little bit, she loves her babies. No mom can't like. You just. Yeah. I mean, I definitely. I don't think that she leaked it. I don't think it's like as simple as that. I don't think she probably, I also agree she probably didn't know.

Definitely didn't know. Yeah, definitely didn't know. I think she did some interview where she talked about where she was when she found, like, yeah. They're all just flying really close to the sun right now. They're like, they're using their real lives to promote a show. They're blurring the line between reality TV and actual reality. And like, I just wouldn't put anything past them. I agree with you, Taylor, Frankie Paul probably didn't do that.

But when you get into that mindset, you and I know that when you're in that mindset, everyone's raising the bar. It's the same, hold on, it's the same reason that Logan Paul filmed the suicide forest. Like when all these YouTubers were trying to one up each other, and like, I do think that Taylor Frankie Paul has the least amount of remorse, you know, and I think she's tough enough to handle internet hate, which means I think she's willing to raise the bar on like her villain beloved side. And I think she knows that she's like really in control and can manipulate narratives like on the internet. I think that comes with time. I think like a year out you can,

you can like move on and learn how to manipulate the situation. But you got to understand this is like, this isn't her first rodeo. The whole show was started because it came out that she was. swinging. But that's because she knows how to manipulate the internet. But that was something that she was like proud of disclosing and it wasn't a big deal to her and it was it. But this crossed the line is my point. I think she lost sight of what the line was a long time ago. That's like my whole argument. Now does that mean that she leaked it herself? No. But like, I mean, babe, she like blew up the Mormon culture through the swinging scandal. Like if there was a line, And she crossed it long ago and the line moved, you know, and maybe this is a situation where she played with fire.

I think that she had a lot of women that she, that were supporting her cause, like, that came around her and blowing up the Mormon culture. When, so then she felt momentum and she felt support. Like, this is a line that she crossed that she was very alone in. Yeah. Like, when she crossed that line with the faith, like, she probably got so much hate from the Mormons. like that were so disappointed in her. But then she also had like seven or eight other women come beside her and say, hey, you're right.

Let's all like band together and kind of out this culture. And so she felt like, you know, like she was doing something good. Like it was like there was purpose in it. This one is so different. So let me ask you this. They invested 30, let's let's call it. Let's say they invested $50 million into the season of the bachelor's. Okay. There are some of the smartest, most shrewd, sophisticated communication strategists working at Hulu and Disney.

Can I just say really fast, though? They're not as smart as we think because think about how bad the Bachelor has been the past like four seasons. Fair. Fair. They're not as calculated and da-da-da-da-da-as as we think. Now, I think that they hired somebody real good that was like get Taylor Frankie-Paul in there. And they needed to stir it up. Or maybe that was your former manager that did. yeah sure maybe whatever but they got they made it happen and that was like the best move for the show at the time because we all were like oh my gosh what's going to happen and yes maybe they invested 50 million dollars into the show and they lost all that money but they know that now they're so much like um like by canceling it now we're also like what's gonna what's the next season going to be or what are they going to do now that's so like i don't think that they were out they're going to be completely out 50 million dollars but also the amount that they would have lost and they, like, they were already on the decline because of the bachelors or the people that they've been choosing. And it just has not been a good show. But the amount that they would have lost and the hate they would have gotten for supporting somebody that hurt their child, they would have lost so much more. And you know, the whole internet would have just like ridden that wave of like, well, the bachelor has continued to be on the decline.

Here they are supporting a somebody that, a child abuser. you know and that would have been like the storyline and then the bachelor just would have been done because you can't come back from that yeah when it involves children you can't come back from it so they they did the right thing i think by pulling the season now if they air it ever i'm kind starting to believe that they never will because like i said when there's kids involved they will like it's just done for but i don't think it was a complete loss on their end because whatever they're stirring up now it's going to be so interesting because we're all going to be like wow what are they going to do next

It's like I have to, now I have to watch it when I've, I haven't felt the need to watch The Bachelor in probably five years. I don't think that Disney's willing to take risk like that. I think they're going to try and like basically, they're either going to air it and it's going to be like, like it will reboot The Bachelor or they're going to bury it and they're going to try and kind of like wholesome wash the next Bachelor. And I'm going to be like, I don't care.

Like, I want to watch this season. I know. I don't think it'll be super wholesome. I think though, I think that they know that, that they have to keep it spicy. Like maybe they'll put Jesse. Jesse from Jesse Draper from The Bachelor.

From Seek Your Life to Mons. I mean from the Secret Life. Yeah. No. See. It's a good idea. It's a good idea. You know?

Or maybe they'll put. Maybe honestly what's happening is that Jen is like, hey, I'll get divorced too. Here's no wedding ring. Just make me the Bachelorette. And like they're all so fame hungry that they're like. Jen would though. No, I know. But that's what I'm, that's what my whole point is.

is like you guys, you guys are literally gambling your real life for reality TV that will eat you alive and leave you with nothing. Yeah, but we all got to learn our lessons. Yeah, we all got to learn. You can tell them, you can tell them how you want, but it's like we all just got to learn it. It's so sad, man. But, you know, that's what makes, if you come out on the other end, that's what makes a really strong marriage.

Yeah. You know, if you can with it a storm. I don't know if I'm, if I'm, I like Zach. I think he's a good guy. Yeah, except for when he went to Whitney. Yeah, whatever. I mean, like he probably, like, she's probably super postpartum and kind of mean. And he was like, okay, I'm going to do it, Whitney.

Like all the, Jen, call me. It's Zerzuzzi. Jen, I'll go do it. I'll go meet with your arch nemesis, like, and I'll tell her, you know, and like, it probably seemed like such a good idea. And I, babe, I'm going to be honest, like, not third, fourth baby. Second, first baby, you could have totally convinced me to do it. And I would have done that.

No, I know for sure. For sure, but like now I'm like, hey, no, you're crazy right now. If in eight months you want me to do this. It's enablement. Yeah. And so. But he was trying to help. He was trying to help and he probably loves her.

And he's like, hey, like happy wife, happy life. Like if I need to go talk to Whitney, I'll do it. You know? And so it's like, I think he's a good guy trying to figure out how to like balance what she wants to be happy, which is dancing with the stars and, you know, all of this drama with like probably having genuine real values. of like hey listen like we also have three kids like we got to find a way to mix all this totally i love that we're recapping slowmo like so far after it's no but it's it's it's not recapping slowmo

it's it's recapping a case study for the entire industry you can take what's going on with the slow mo girls and apply that to tic-tok creators and instagram creators and all these people because they're all striving for different levels of the same thing which is recognition fame followers followers, the high, the dopamine rush, it's all the same. They're just doing it on a very public scale in the most complicated way, which is married with kids. But the best part is it'll all come back around, like where I'm at, and you'll just move out to Tennessee and get a horse. Honestly, yes. And that's why this podcast is so interesting. This podcast is so interesting. because you've gone, you and I have gone through the entire circle.

Well, we never did the reality show, but we almost did. Dude, yeah. Oh my gosh. Have we ever talked about this on the show? Are we cool as I know about it now? The reality show? Yes. I think we already have, but.

Oh, that was hard. But I know, I know. I know we're remaining open to it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want you to feel shut down. Yeah, I have a call with Netflix. Netflix.

Netflix. I saw that, but I'm like, okay, it's fine. I'm like, let's not talk about it because that circle isn't completely closed yet. Well, thank you guys for listening. Make sure you check us out on TikTok and Instagram at DeInfluence Podcast. We love you guys and we'll talk you soon. Bye. Love you.

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