De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - Setting the Record Straight About Bear Gate.

Episode Date: July 17, 2025

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The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. Deinfluenced. What's so funny is the other morning, Danny woke up and she said, literally just rolled out of the bed and she said it's such a shame. No, you have to tell the context what was happening. I woke up. So Catherine was here to work out with me and I usually wake up or I work out with her at 7.30. Stella came in my room and I was still sleeping at 735 and goes, mommy, Catherine's outside.

And then she just said, it's such a shame that bad things happen to good people. And so now anytime something bad happens, we just say, bad things happen to good people. You had to be there. That's funny. You really watch that story by the way. She just said, oh, I've got this pimple on my face and I just said, bad things happen to good people. I know, I never get pimples right here on the, you know, tip of my cheek. Yeah, maybe you're pregnant.

Oh, LOL, you're so funny. Lul's. What's new with you? You know, I'm just settling back in. You know, we just got back from Aspen, and one of my biggest surprises about Aspen is we didn't see any famous people. That's not true. We saw the drummer from All Time Low. All Time Low.

That was a big one. Yeah. I'm not, I mean, yes, 90s emo band. I'm not discrediting him. He was still touring. He was still touring. I understand. But like I wanted to see like, I don't know, like some A-listers.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like the A-listers don't really just like come out in about on like July 4th weekend in Aspen. You know, it is crazy. Is the house we stayed in, Joe Rogan almost stayed there. Oh, almost stayed there? They kicked him out. They kicked him out for political reasons. Not the company, but the owners of the home. That he was going to rent.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I feel like he typically tries to be in the middle, understanding. Not lately, but like in general. How does Gen Z say, yeah, she's saying no? No, he's been like crabbing all over Trump lately. He does. He does. He does deliver straight takes on both sides.

Yeah, I'm saying. So, I mean, I get it, but, like, out of everyone. But from a propaganda standpoint, he's been politicized as all right. Correct? Yeah. Okay. That's what I'm just telling you what Gin Z podcast producer is saying. She's shaking her head, yes.

Okay. I just feel like if you listen to the podcast, it's not like as ridiculous. Hey, I'm on your side. I agree with you. Yeah. I mean, I don't agree with everything. He thinks people are telepathic, so I was like, Joe. You're close, though.

No, I'm not. There was something that happened. What was the big thing? There was something that happened recently. Oh, the near death experience. Yes. So Danny's been studying near death experiences. And she's studying them for hours a day.

She's been studying. She has a friend who had one. And her friend told her that in her near death experience, everyone is communicating telepathically. And I go, Danny. I said, do you feel like you should retract your really strong opinion on the telepathy tapes? And you said no.

No, no. Definitely not on the telepathy tapes. Yeah, that's fine. well anyway yeah we got back from aspen aspen was a lot of fun man that place is bougie boozy i mean it's a little i was gonna say a little too much you've loved it the first couple days i was uncomfortable if i'm being honest which is how good looking everybody was how good looking everybody was and it's weird when you were surrounded by that many good looking people yeah and it's like i can't even go about go out and about and everyone's so viable

be. Yeah, they're definitely a vibe. Like, you got to figure out what your brand is before you go to Aspen and then like own it. Totally. And then just own it. Yeah, because it doesn't really need to be like one thing or the other. It just needs to be something.

Like, you know, like you just have to know who you are or you're going to get eaten alive in Aspen. I mean, I think everyone was nice, but. Sorry. I'm a little extreme today. Yeah, you are. You are. I had one of those.

I feel so bad for you guys on Fridays because Fridays are kind of like my maintenance days because we usually don't plan a lot of work. Like I just have the podcast on Fridays. So I usually get my spray tants for the weekend and get my nails done on Fridays. And play tennis. And play tennis. So I just like, or I have errands to run. So like Fridays are like the days I just do not get ready at all.

But it's the day that I'm also on camera. But I feel like you guys at this point probably like me for my insides, no my outsides. That's so true for both of us. But sometimes they hate our insides too. Yes, yeah. That's the thing. You guys do. Some of you guys really hate my insides.

They really just hate the whole package. Oh, you know what I've been actually thinking about and wanting to read a lot more about? Because, you know, we got really into like spiritual warfare when we were in Aspen. I'm really into, um, what? Just casually, just casually dropped it. Yeah. But like, I've been really wanting to get into, like, read scripture and read about oil, like anointing oil.

Huh. You know, like, I've never done any of that, like, where you, like, anoint your home and you pray over somebody with the oil. Like, I just- The Catholics in this audience are loving this. No, I know it's, like, a thing that Catholics do, but I think it's also, like, a thing that, like, like, people that follow Jesus do, too.

I feel like I should probably do that. Really, really. Like, anoint my home, you know. Yeah, one of the most interesting nights of Aspen was when, Ellie, Danny's best friend and her got into a theological debate. No, no. No, we did not get a debate. Y'all, me and Ellie got in a full-on fight.

Like, we were fighting. We've never fought with each other before. And we were legit fighting. Like, I was like, well, Ellie, like, I was being such a brat and she was being such a brat. She called me, what she called me? Ignorant. She called me ignorant. And that really set it off.

That was not a good. The husbands were watching and when the ignorant statement was made, I was like, no, I had already asked. escalated before the ignorant statement. I was like, we were, and like, it's so funny because, like, Ellie and I have never fought before. We've been friends for five years. And we have never fought.

And after we fought, like, I was like, Ellie, I'm so happy that happened. Like, I'm just so happy that we had our first fight. She was like, yeah, I was feeling it. Like, I was feeling like we needed one. Yeah. And the reason that, like, we both felt the husbands felt that y'all just wanted to fight is because by the end of the fight, you know, we're making no sense. Like, like, I think that there was like this one.

point where Ellie was like, yeah, like Catholics are really good at remembering the history of the church. And then you go, well, okay, so what? I need to like remember the Alamo. And then they know sense. And then you were like, Ellie was like, I just don't understand why you won't like read like about the history and the saints. And you were like, I read the Bible. And all you come saying is like, I read the Bible. I read the Bible. And then I was like, I was so bad. I was laughing. Connor was laughing.

Like, but here's the thing. We actually didn't know what we were fighting about. No, because by the, but I was trying to mediate and I was like, guys, I actually think that y'all are on the same team, but you just don't know it and you just want to be fighting. And then she was like,

you don't know the history of the Catholic Church? I go, oh, do you know the history of Buddhism or Islam or, or the Torah? Yeah. It was good, though.

I, I, um, I always appreciate. I appreciate Catholics because I feel like they have good exorcist. Actually, they have the only exorcist. We love a good exorcist. You're Catholic, yeah? You ever seen an exorcist?

No, baby. You don't like witness it. It's like something people do in private because the demon can jump out of you onto another person. Well, I'm just saying, have you ever talked to an exorcist in your church? Have you ever anointed your home with oil? I think my grandma does, yes. And can I just say that the anointing oil for like your confirmation stuff smells so good. Literally, right?

Yeah, because they put it on. It's made of like all these like spices that are in the Bible and stuff. Spices. I think I don't know what to call them. Wait, can I ask. Maybe a little sacrilege, but maybe we come out with a limited edition divvy serum with some holy oil. Babe, that's not even funny. Yeah.

It's so bad. Sacralogious. I'm sorry. It's okay. Um, so my second question is, are priests considered holy? Yes. Why?

So then are humans considered holy by Catholics? Like a normal person versus a priest? Because like a pope, yes. But as a person because, you know what? Let's not get into it. Wait, no, I'm curious. It's okay. I probably shouldn't.

Well, I think like in the Catholic Church, for example, like we're all God's children, but then when you get your sacraments, you technically can go into like sainthood. So you're like more than just a parishioner. Can saints be sinners? Yeah. Okay, okay.

Yeah. And so. Saints and sinners. It sounds like a brand. That's the Mormon. Oh, oh, is it? That's the Secret Lives and Moro. Do Mormons have saints?

That I don't know. So I could be a saint. Yeah. Could you be a saint too? Yeah. Like a lot of times, like my cousin died when we were, really young, like 14, and we could, like, make her a saint. Oh.

Yeah. Do you feel like the biggest challenge with being Catholic is not letting the traditions become legalism? Do you know legalism? So, like, like, legalism, like, the idea that you can earn your faith, like, through the tradition. So if I just go to confession, then, like, I'm holier in God's eye. which is not, I don't think, after talking to Ellie,

I don't think that's the idea of it, but that would be the biggest danger probably. I think, yeah, I think it's like with any religion, there are people that are like, well, I go to church every single Sunday, so it's fine that I went out and drank. But like, for me personally, like even when I got my confirmation, I felt zero pressure to do it. Like in the eyes of God, it was more about like, I wanted to do that.

Like, I wanted to affirm that relationship. It's less like pressured, at least in my. generation. I think maybe if you were to like talk to my grandma, it was like more like, hey, you got to do this. Like my grandpa was a Lutheran and and he converted for her. What percentage of time do Catholics read the Bible versus what is it called? The catechism. The catechism. Catechism. Yes. Well, I'll be honest. Like there's Bible studies where we like dissect certain passages. But I've never met a Catholic that reads the Bible like back to back. because it's taken out.

So basically, like, we'll have, like, you guys know how you do, like, your, your scriptures, and, like, then the priest or pastor will, like, talk about it. It's kind of like that, except we'll do two readings every Mass, and it follows the calendar, like, of when the readings actually were and, like, when they line up with certain holidays, and then they'll give the homily and, like, relate it back to normal life. The homily is the message, right? Yeah.

So that's, like, the priest's basically. like taking the readings and applying them to regular life. Well, and then the Catholic Church also has like extra books in the Bible. No, no, the catechism. Oh, that is the, that is the extra book. Oh my God, I didn't know that. That's what I was asking is like how much do you read? It's like asking a Mormon like how.

We're based on the same Bible as you. It's just ours is like the way that it shows up in church. It's not just like kind of like I feel like you guys kind of do like a random message or like, yeah. We like series. Yeah. Yeah. series. Not random.

Not random. I didn't mean that. Hey guys, we're starting this Sunday. We're starting our new series. Sinners and saints. Yeah. Ours like aligns with holidays. So it's like this passage was when like what is now known as Easter actually

happened. Like the resurrection actually happened and like songs. Honestly, that's like good formatting. Yeah. We do it too, babe. We're on holidays. Like it's Valentine's Day is all about love or sex. Yeah.

Like Christmas like giving love. True. I'm going to be honest. I've never heard a homily about sex. I think I'd die, actually. Really? It's a gift from God. That's so interesting.

Yeah. Huh. Well, so what was your takeaway from Ellie? I mean, common ground. I'm just happy that we had our first fight. I looked at her the next day. I was like, we needed that. I was feeling a little tension between us.

You know? And then I was like, oh, I'm so happy we fought. I've always wanted a sister to fight with. I was like, you have a sister. You can do this with all the time. time you looky dog. I just have to keep all my thoughts to myself. Or take them out on my husband.

No, you've learned not to fight with me. No, I don't fight. I just roll over. Turn the other cheek, as they say. Yes, as they say. Wait, can I tell you something else really weird that we do? That's, like, stuck in my memory.

When you're trying to sell a house, you bury a statue in your yard, like saint statue. Yeah, see, that one's weird. In your yard. And honestly, it works. 2008 market crash. We were able to sell our house. as soon as we planted the saint statue. Well,

wow. Let me tell you something weird that we do. Yeah, tell us. I don't know. When Shopify approached us for a partnership, it was really a no-brainer for us. Divi has been tried and true on the platform since the beginning. Man, when we started Divi, it's so crazy that we honestly had no idea what we were doing.

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I got you, babe. Let's do a Shopify. Yeah, it was funny because I'm not a developer. Dana did not meet a married developer. I honestly probably thought that you were at the time. I was like, No, but we really wanted something. I think that we like to move fast.

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Honestly, I'll take the bullet. The internet was saying. They did say it was my fault. No, no, they were just, I'm just teasing. So what happened was we rented a house in Aspen and the house. And the house came with like a daily, like a hotel, like a daily cleaning service. And we were not prepped or briefed on bear protocols coming into Aspen. Well, I mean, we know the basics.

Don't leave your trash outside. Like shut the door. The little bears don't want to eat you. They just want the trash. And if they don't run away from a bear, it will. Like we know basic bear protocol. We've been going to California, I mean, Colorado since we were young. Yeah, yeah, sure.

We're not dumb. We're not dumb. But one night we're sitting on the rooftop and we hear this loud bang. And outside, I'm like, okay, I need to go outside. I opened the front door and truly between me and Danny's distance on camera here, there was a bear staring at me. And he was in the trash, like eating diapers and spaghetti. And we filmed it because it's a bear.

It's so interesting. It's huge. Oh, you would do the same thing. Yeah, you would do the same thing. Don't you act like you wouldn't. You self-righteous. Anyway, so we start filming it and we post it this cute little bear eating diapers. And the next day, we're getting blasted.

Yeah. I mean, it's bad blasted too. Well, funny thing is I wasn't really on my phone much that trip, but Jordan. I know. I caught it. And I was like, and then I got really invested. Because it was so weird and odd. And I think that the assumption that people made was that, like, we were, like, feeding these bears our trash.

Yeah. So what happened was the cleaning service came. They put the trash in the bins. It was, like, an old, older trash bin, and they forgot to, like, latch it. Yeah. So the bear just knows to come and, like, knock it over and all the trash comes out. They're smart. And I guess he had done this before because he knew.

Yeah. And then what's crazy is he did. that first night and then he came back and did it every single night, every night since then. And, um, but finally, uh, like they fixed the latch and the third time he came back, like he marked it over and he couldn't get in there. But the comments were like, you guys are so irresponsible. And I just felt that was so unfair. I see, it didn't really affect me that much. It affected me a lot. Because listen, you can say whatever you want about me, but like, I am not irresponsible. I, I, I, I,

I am not irresponsible. And I love bears. I love the bears. Like, Berenstein bears, I love them all. Poo bear. Poo bear.

Winnie the poo, big fan. Like, I am. The big blue house. I am four bears. I am pro bear. Yes. And the other assumption that they made was that this was the narrative.

This is how like the internet works. They basically were like, these Texans came in, they threw their trash away. They didn't lock it. They're ignorant. and now this bear is going to be slaughtered. Like truly, because they also had this narrative that if a bear gets into trash, they euthanize the bear.

Well, they do euthanize bears if the bears attack you. Right. But by leaving trash out, you're increasing the chance or opportunity for an attack. So I get it. I get it. It's like you're kind of baiting the bears. And it's like, let the bears live and like live responsive. Sorry, am I becoming a hater?

You're staring at me like you're going to. This happens a couple times where we actually end up siding with the haters. It's a very confusing moment for us. Well, I just feel like you're so defensive when I'm like, I, it doesn't really bother me because it wasn't really our fault. I think I was defending you though. Oh. Are they hating me? Yeah, because they accused you of being the bear killer.

But I'm not. So I don't really, this doesn't really affect me. I know. Now, if you call me a bad mom, it's questionable. I'm like, am I? You know, but you call me a bear killer. I'm like, it's just not. It's not in the car.

It's not true. It's not true. But, yeah, so I get it because then you're just kind of like, you're pulling the men and gives the opportunity for like a bear to there to be a bear attack. That's why they say like when you go hiking, like don't leave trash and don't leave. Because like you're just creating chaos. Yeah. So like just clean up after yourself, you know?

I know. But this wasn't our fault. It wasn't our fault. That's why I don't really care. But. But I will say it was cool to see a bear that close. I know. Like,

really was. And yeah, and like the third night, they do not, they're not scared of humans. Yeah, the fourth night, I just kept leaving cookies out so that he would come back. Yeah. I'm kidding. Cookies and cameras, just so we could get a good shot. I did him see a bear eating our spaghetti. And it was freaking cute.

I'm not going to lie. Like, I'm not saying you should do it. I do not endorse bears eating human food. But if you've ever seen a bear eating spaghetti, It was on its claws. I don't endorse it. I don't endorse it. It was funny seeing it like holding a diaper too.

Yeah. And it just gobbled that diaper up. It's like a marshmallow to it. It was so gross. And you know what's so crazy is then all the trash was out and it just kept going for the diapers. It's disgusting. It's like Alf with the marshalo. But apparently I was talking to an Aspen local.

and one time they had watched a bear like slam its finger in trying to open the trash can and like really hurt the bear and it just rolled on its back and just started moaning and he said it was the funniest cutest thing he's ever seen. Oh, poor little poo bear. They don't seem, no, I was going to say it doesn't seem dangerous. But they are. Yeah, we don't want to be spreading bad. Bear propaganda.

Bear propaganda. And oh, very fast. And they can climb trees. That's the scary part that they can climb trees. I think they're apex predators, right? Like no one, they're at the top of the predator food chain. No one hunts bears, yeah. They're apex.

What about lion and a bear? I'm sure if you go to Mexico, you can see that fight somewhere. If you find some like back alley. Aren't mountain lions at the top? Um, yeah, I think so. Sharks. No one hunt sharks, right? They're apex.

Orcas? Orcas or apex, yeah. What about mooses? Ooh, bear and a moose. I don't know. That would be a pretty legit if I... Now, I do feel like a mountain lion would get a moose. Yeah, I think a mountain lion would get a moose.

My dad used to watch all those, like, um, I don't know, like the Discovery Channel or something where they would just film like Cheetahs. praying on their prey and just destroying them. Have you ever seen that Instagram account called Nature is Metal? No. Oh man, it's wild. It's just like all these like hardcore clips of like predators and prey in nature and it's I'll pull you up some.

You just see like the cheetah or the lion just gnawing on the deer. Yeah. Sorry. My dad used to love that and then he also like Never mind. Yeah, sorry. Oh, man, look. This one's a python eating a full raccoon here.

Oh, I want to see that. Where's the python? Oh, my gosh. Wait, why is it in a closet? Because it's eating its head. But why is the python in a closet? I don't know. Nature's metal, man.

Oh, this is a tiger eating an alligator. That doesn't seem right. I know. It does seem a little unnatural. Okay. Anyway, Aspen was lovely. It was a lovely time. Lovely, lovely time.

Okay, so we've been back and what else has been new? Justin Bieber came out with his new album today. Does that mean that this whole like charade of people hating him was like part of his strategy to launch the album? You know who was on his album three times? Drewski. Really? Yeah. I love him.

He was just like his, the, his, he has three different. different like songs but they're not songs because juicy he's not singing um like commentating on Justin's album really like him just like giving feedback on yeah or like just talking to Justin he's like talking about how Justin in one of them he's like Justin I think that you're you got more than 2% black in you because like your voice sounds so soulful and um then Justin's like talking about how he gets really annoyed with all of the hate that he gets because everybody's always like, are you okay? Are you okay? And he's like, who are you to say, like, ask me if I'm okay? Like, you're not okay either type of thing.

I don't know. Just interesting. Justin's, it's like girl math. There's like Justin Math. So what's the state of Justin Bieber? If he came out this album has all of this questioning of his health and sobriety and all that is it all just like staged for the album release? Like let's get people talking about Justin so then album drops people go listen. I don't know. It doesn't seem like there was a lot of strategy for his launch. I know. You would have to be really, really smart to put on the charade that he did. So I don't feel like it was strategy. Yeah. And I mean, the album itself is I listened to most of it this morning. And I would say like musically it's really good. Like the actual like instruments in production are really good. Like there's a couple of songs that I'm like, oh, I really like this. But like,

Some of the lyrics are just a little basic, I feel like. Yeah. That's my personal opinion. Don't come after me, Rolling Stone. I don't know what the people, like, are thinking about the lyrics. But, yeah, it, I mean, I love the fact that it was, like, a surprise album. I was really wanting this for Bieber. I was, like, really hoping that he was working on something behind the scenes.

Why? Like, he, I don't know. He just seems to be, he seems to be standing on a lot of business. quote unquote without having any business. So I'm happy he really was standing on business because otherwise I think he kind of would have been standing on crazy. So I'm happy that when he was saying he was, like he actually was standing on something he had been working on, you know?

Yeah. So he'd be like, I'm standing on business. And it's like, no, you're kind of losing your mind. But he like actually was doing something. Yeah. He both can be true. He could be losing his mind a little bit, right? It's just, it's even like to me,

it just seems so unhealthy to like continue to open yourself up to like all of the if he hates the hate and he hates the feedback then like why are you allowing it in yeah you don't have to i just don't understand that part he's married to the game yeah he's like addicted to the game it's kind of like which makes sense if you started the game at 12 or whenever he started yeah it's kind of like all you know and so if if you're raised before you're what's it called this part of your brain? Frontal cortex? That's what develops at 25? 25, yeah.

Yeah, so if you are raised on chaos from 12 to 25 before the prefrontal cortex is developed, then of course it's like, it's normal to him. It's like what he knows. So it's like hard to, it's hard for us to be like, hey, man, just go live a simple life because his dopamine receptors are just shot.

True, true, true. But what's so crazy to me about his album release is that it's crazy to me to watch the internet go from like one narrative to the next so quickly where it's like everyone's so worried about him and is like, Haley, divorce him, yada, yada, yada. And then it's like, oh my gosh, he dropped an album like now I'm crying. I'm sobbing. I love it. You know? It just feels like the narrative shifted so much from before he dropped the album to after. Unless people are still saying that, like...

Like, he needs to take care of people. Yeah, like Haley should divorce him or whatever they keep saying. I don't know. There's such an interesting couple to me. It's hard for me to understand how that works. Oh, okay. Interesting. That's a good take.

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was released this morning. His wife, Haley Beaver, took to Instagram with a not-so-settled message for those who have been questioning and speculating on Justin's well-being and their marriage. She posted the album announcement to her story and said, is it finally clocking to you effing losers? The post has since been deleted. Oh, she said that? Yeah, I just see what I mean.

Maybe they're both just like really immature. No, I just feel like they both have so much anger towards the media and anger. And I'm just, I don't understand why you continue to allow yourself to be hurt by that. because like John Mayer got out of it. Yeah. Anybody can get out of it. There's so many huge celebrities, fantasy people that we don't know where they are on a day to day basis.

Why do we know where Dustin Bieber is every single day? Yeah. Because he puts himself out there. So true. And he posts like 17 times a day on social media. It's like if you hate the feedback and you hate what people are saying, then like get off of it. I just,

it's hard for me to feel bad for people like that. Yeah. But I mean, I guess you're right. if like your prefrontal cortex whatever isn't developed and you're I guess you're addicted to the game whatever but I would hope that's where you have people like speaking into you or like he's asking who am I without all this who would I be if no one cared I just feel like I feel like beaver is like getting to the point like the age where it's like not cute anymore well yeah how old is he

he's probably like 30 and it's like can we be can we say I'm standing on business at 30. I feel like post 30 is probably when I I stopped saying that. I think it's when the child came. Yeah. And like and I'm sorry like posting pictures. Posting pictures of your like baby grabbing like joints from your table.

It's like yeah. Like what did Haley say clocking? She said is it finally clocking to you effing losers? How old is she? She's probably 30. No, I. No. Oh, was she being funny?

She's 28. She's clear. Oh, not being like mean. Or like. No, I think she was being mean, but I think she was using the sound to like. Yeah, I mean, I get it, but. It's like a play on the trance. Do you think that Haley Bieber like really loves him?

Yeah. Maybe she's codependent. Yes. I think she's codependent. I think she's stuck. Yeah. I mean. It's hard.

I, you know, the one thing I will say about Justin is sometimes I feel like I dress like him a little bit. Totally. You know, just like pants down low, sweatshirt, crocs with socks. Yeah. I just look really bad. Do you, do you like his tattoos? All of the, all of the tattoos? No.

I'm just wondering, like, at what age do you start experiencing regret for having that many tattoos? is there an age? I don't know. Some people love their tats. It's a very youthful decision to make, I feel like. But then once you're like 60 plus, like I never run into people that are like 60 plus with a lot of tattoos. And I'm kind of like where do y'all go?

Like where do you disappear to? Like why am I not seeing like. They start wearing longer shirts probably. Yeah, but like where are the 80 year olds? Are they in prison? No. Oh my gosh. That's a crazy statement right there.

That's crazy. I think they just start wearing button-ups where their tattoos are not out. But you can't hide like neck tattoos. I don't think like neck tats were like really trendy until like recent years. So basically what you're saying is that we will be experiencing the first generation of 80-year-olds with this many tattoos. Okay, well, what about Travis Barker? Honestly, how old is he? I know he's...

He's probably like 40 something. Maybe it actually has a reverse effect of making me think that you're actually younger because you have that many tattoos. I would never expect. He's 49. 49. I mean, hot take, I think tattoos are kind of cool. Same. I know you do.

That's why I asked you what you think. But would you think they're kind of cool later in life? On me, though. I wouldn't get one. Right. There is no part of my body. I want anybody looking at it. So who has the, what celebrity has the best tattoos in your opinion, Danny Austin?

Charlie John Mayer. Does he have tattoos? He's got a sleeve, no. Hmm. I think John Mayer has always had good tats. At what point does a tat go too far for you? The neck? Oh, when they black it out?

Machine Gun Kelly, is that who did it? Yeah, when they black out. What about leg tats? Are you into leg tats? Yeah, I like the dispersed ones. Okay. Are you, does it matter whether you're skinny or muscular with tattoos or can both work for you? Um.

Like Machine Gun Kelly kind of skinny guy. No, I don't like a skinny guy with tattoos. I feel like John Mayer, I mean, sorry, Justin Bieber has gotten really skinny and he's all his tattoos and it makes me feel like he's sick. Yeah. He looks a little sick to me. But like, he's not taking care of himself.

He's a really buff person with tattoos. John Mayer's pretty buff. The rock. Yeah. Well, the rock only has like, but the rock is like a vibe though. Oh,

David Beckham. It just, I wrote David Beckham Titty. So like, okay. That was weird. So let me ask you this. So, so.

Yeah, David Beckham's tattoos are nice. So like nerdy, just imagine like your stereotypical like nerdy guy. Nerdy guy gets tattoos. It ups their attractiveness, stays the same or lowers. Like. Yeah, I mean, that's that's cool. Babe, honestly, you could get tattoos. You know, it's not my brand.

I know. We've talked about this. I know. It's okay. But like you could. I appreciate that. It would just give you this like a little bit of edge. Yeah, right.

Like a little bit of like mystery. Ooh, kind of turning me on just thinking about it. Every time I try and integrate edge into my persona brand, I don't know how to explain it. It's like almost there, but it just misses the mark. What if it just got like a necktap?

And it says like peace, grace, love. Saved. John 316. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not going to work. Oh, babe, you would be so hot with hats. Yeah, you think that. But it's a big decision, and there's no going back.

Yeah, I know, but guys get, like, hotter. Their skin gets, like, hotter over age. Skin? Yeah. It's like, with the wrinkles and stuff, it's, like, mature. You know what I'll do is I'll order one of those sleeves at Amazon. I don't want you to get a whole sleeve. No, no, listen.

I'll order one of those sleeves on Amazon and you can barely tell it's fake. I don't want you to get a sleeve. I'll put it on. I'm going to walk around and I'm going to see how the world interacts with me with the fake sleeve on. I'll feel it out. I can see you having like a little calf tat. I'll get a calf sleeve too. You know, Stratton has all those Spider-Man tattoos that he puts on.

I'll start putting them on and let me just feel it out. Yeah. And see like I'll put a Spider-Man tattoo on my neck. Yeah. And see if like if anyone at the gym pays attention. We have some beauty and the beast ones too. Don't forget. Yeah, I'll put those on too.

I can see it. What would you do to make yourself more edgy? What's like the one thing? About myself some crocs. I know, you are wearing mad, happy crocs. Um, um... Like, would you ever be one of those girls that, like, shaves their head? No.

No, yeah. I don't have it in me. Um, really not into piercings either. I can't do the the bull rings I can't do it on girls I'm like I'm scared of you and listen this is not offensive

I'm not trying to be like rude to any girl with a bull ring like but like I'm like you are angry that's how I feel I'm like you are an angry and this is a giant effie What about nipple piercings? The mindset of going into that

is so strange to me because you're basically like Wait, if I came home one day You're like, I have a secret No, wait, wait, wait, let me ask you this But you can only know If I came, stop, if I came home one day It was your birthday

And I was like, I got you a birthday present So mad at you I'd be like, why'd you ruin them? It was like they were fine as they are The way God made them Like why would you? So you don't think that's like a thing? No.

I know. I was curious about that. I think like maybe in the, I don't know why I'm like so stereotyping, but like if you listen to like metal music, like I bet people at metal concerts are like, yeah, you got like nipple pierced. Cool, me too. And it's like, yeah, check it out. And he's like, yeah, me too.

I don't know. I just don't see the, the, I can't see where my brain would go to be like, you know what? I need to pierce my nipples today. Well, I feel like you would probably do it because your significant other would think it's attractive. You tell me any married couple that were like, yeah, we got married. Avery Woods. So after she got married, she was like, I'm going to get.

Yeah, she did it to like surprise her husband. She posted a video. See, I don't know how to explain it. And this is no knock on them. That makes sense to me. Like, I can't explain it. I'm like, that adds up. I get it.

I'm like, if there's any couple on the internet, they would like surprise their significant with nipple piercings, they'd be like, yeah, it's every one. Well, that was the first time that I ever crossed my mind where I was like, Oh, am I a bad wife for not piercing pineapples? No, I'm so glad we're talking about this because let me assure you you're not. And please don't go to Target or Clare's or wherever you get it done and do it. So if I had to get one thing pierced, what would it be? I just get like an extra stud or something.

No, that's not included. That's not one that you can do. What about tongue piercing? Oh, that's like almost worse. I don't know. Like at least. I agree with you. I feel like I, you know, because like, yeah.

If you get your nipples pierce, it's like, whatever, I can, I just can just avoid it. But like your tongue, I'm like, this is just for all of us to see. What about one of those little dots on the nose? That's probably the least, the most tame. See, those I'm most scared of because of just the hygiene of it. Does it get infected? No, it's just like, all the boogers and stuff. It just really gross me out.

Eyebrow piercings are very strange to me. Oh, yeah. That's it. you know how they say like tattoos are addicting is are getting piercings addicting too I don't think so are they oh I don't know maybe what about my belly wet and pierced I mean it's it's very similar to like what do we talk about in one episode like the you know like the tanning bed they put the playboy bunny there it's like kind of the same vibe it's like if you have a belly button piercing like you for sure had that like playboy bunny tan sticker too I always

wanted to get my belly pierced, but I was also like 16, but not, not since I turned 20. All of these things to me, they just say something about what you're trying to communicate to the world. It's like if I see someone with belly button piercing, I have thoughts. If I see someone the eyebrow piercing, I have thoughts. If I see someone with a bullring, I'm like. So you're stereotyping. But that's, so are they. Like they know, when they're signing up, they're like, oh, I'm seeing this other person that I want to be like, you know? I just burped. If you heard that.

Yeah. So anyway. I get it. Oh, I know what Jordan says. I know what Jordan says. This is what guys probably like at 16. It was like frosted tips. No.

But I just want to clear up this rumor. Do you know how many people have asked me if I had, if I, let me put, take my headphones off. He just wants to show really how good it is. No, people keep asking me if I've frosted my tips. I know, because you should walk five hours outside a day. No, I don't frost my tips. I just want people to know that because that's... It does look like it.

Babe, sorry that you're so naturally good looking. Yeah, it's all natural, guys. Sorry that if you got tattoos, you would be hot. Sorry that you have naturally frosted tips. Sorry that my nipples are pierced. That would be weird. Yeah, I would say for guys back then, the equivalent was probably getting an tanning bed and frosting their tips.

That was like probably two things that maybe you did as a teenager and didn't want your friends to know. Probably as a guy. Did you ever get in a tanay bed? Or steroids. Did you ever do steroids? No. Thought about it.

Bummer. You know what I'm scared of? The rage. I've heard the rage is pretty hard to control. Yeah. I told you about that guy that. Rage, hair loss. So all my buddies in high school.

And when you get off them, it just makes you look really like puffy. So all my buddies in high school that played football were on steroids. One night I threw a party on my house and my house had the ping pong table, ping pong room. So like my house was always the party house. And my parents were out of town and a kid named Taylor came over. He was on the roids. And like someone beat him in ping pong and he literally punched a hole in the wall at my

parents house. Yeah, like no regrets. I covered it with a picture frame for my entire, like, until I like literally moved to college. Yeah. So my parents ever knew. But it was literally, we were playing ping pong. And then they were also drinking a little bit, but he went to the bathroom and cried on the floor. That's roids. Which I just remember at like, you know, 16 years old, I was like, man, these guys just like drink too much. But like then I learned that they were all in steroids. And it was, it was like, whoa. It was like, whoa. Like, whoa. That makes a lot more sense. Oh, man.

Yeah. I would say I'd love to have a six-pack. That'd be nice. Yeah, no, for sure. Me too. It's never been in the cards. I don't think it's in our cards. I think we should start accepting it.

Oh, I have. Would you like to move on a topic number two? Why are people mad about the Epstein list? A lot of people in my DMs wanted to know your opinions on this. Can we talk about something lighter first? Can we talk about how you don't have to take off your shoes at TSA now? Oh, yeah. We never do though because we were pre-checked.

Right, but now it's not. Wait, can I tell you something that Jenny, a girl on our team did? Yeah. Okay, so I don't know if this is true for every airline, but I have to share this hack with you guys because if this is true, like this would have saved us, saved me so many flights. Okay. So she was flying to not Cabo.

Where did Jenny just fly to? No, no. The time before. Uh-huh. Punta-Kana. And she took like a different, like an airline called. Wait, you're telling me she went to Punta Kana and Cabo in like the span of like three months. Right now.

Good for her. She took an airline called Sun Air or Open Air, something like that. Anyway, it was like a smaller airline because all of the other flights to Punta Kana were sold out. So she gets to the airport. Like something happens with the. computers. Everybody's like has to check in their bag, you know, 45 minutes before the flight takes off. Something happens. And basically everyone in line like gets kicked off the flight because they passed that time that they were able to check in their, check in their bags. And so everybody's like

upset because they are going to miss their flight. They have to book a new flight. Do you come, are you tracking? Yeah. So Jenny is like, guys, let's go through security. Let's start. Let's throw away all of our liquids. Let's buy carry-ons inside of the airport because, you know, this is so genie to be like, let's just fix the problem. Like, let's not go home. We're going to make this freaking flight. So they take their big bag, like their big base, large base that they packed and they put it through security. They walk through. And this is like 30 minutes before like the flight is not to take off. They decide, you know, before we do this, let's go just check with the gate agent and just see if we can check our bag at the gate. And,

this is like as people are like about to start boarding and they just check their bags at the gate what wait wait so you put your liquids and all the things they won't let through security here's the other thing this is where it gets a little fishy she said that TSA didn't catch any of their big liquids no that I do that all the time they don't catch a lot of stuff what no that's scary someone once told me that TSA is the illusion of security how come they always catch everything for me I like don't even know that I have things and they catch it. I'm like, I didn't even pack that dry shampoo and they found it. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's really not.

But anyway, like, I had no idea that you could do that. Do you know how many times, like, I haven't been able to check my bags and then I just like, go home because I'm like, well, miss the flight. So I have to figure out a new one. So I'm confused, though. She did check her liquids or no. No, so they, she was going to throw out because, like, they were going to go. But they were like, let's just go see if we can check our bags at the gate before.

where we, so they got there all the liquids through security, which is sketchy enough. And then once they got through, they're like, before we go spend money on a carry-on, let's just go check our big bags at the gate. And they were like, yeah, sure. But your big bags have to still fit through the x-ray machine, no? Yeah, but it did because a large base still fits. Wow. Which is what we travel with all the time.

Do you know how many times where I'm like freaking out because I'm like, oh my gosh, we have to get all these bags checked before 45 minutes? But you don't. Well, we have three kids, so I don't think this hack is going to work for us. We can't check like 17 bags through. But technically it could if we were really in a pickle. Let's go try right now. Where do you want to go?

Let's get out of this. Anyway, that's crazy. So can I talk to you about what I'm afraid of with this no-shoes thing? Oh, I thought we were going to talk about what you're afraid of with this obsceneless. But yes. Well, so. If there's no incentive to have TSA pre-check now, I'm trying to think of like what's going to happen now that you don't have to take your shoes off.

Help me. Well, the line is still going to be shorter at TSA pre-check. It will be? Oh, it'll be even shorter, actually, because people won't get it because they're like,

why would I get TSA pre-check? Yeah, like I already. I don't, do people get TSA pre-check so that they don't have to take off their shoes? No, I never have to take off my shoes anymore. That's why I will not buy TSA pre-check.

Okay, so this is good for TSA pre-check. Because now we're going to be like the fast-ed-check. Because TSA pre-check has been getting a little out of hand. Like it's like not even really TSA pre-check in now. So you got like general and then you get TSA pre-check and then clear always hounding me to give them the credit card. Like clear is like the actual fastest line now. And then there's TSA pre-check clear too. Yeah, you could have both.

Okay. So this is good for us. And then you can just own your own plane. That's the next level. Wow. Those people are just disgusting. also how funny is this we we couldn't get out of aspen they say it was because the altitude but they prioritize private planes landing and taking off at aspen over commercial so like all these billionaires

that live in aspen just like get to literally like walk in fly off and i i never instead complaining about it while you become a billionaire well that's very that's a very capitalistic attitude danny austin i love I'm sorry that they worked harder than you and they like deserve it. That's true. That's fair. That's fair. I just hate when people complain about people that work hard. Well, I just think that I'm trying to take on it more. Yes.

Communist appoint. Yeah, I was trying to take on a communist point. You think you should just go to everybody? Even the kid that sleeps through class doesn't show up, doesn't study, just hangs out with his friends all weekend. What about us? Well, what's your arguing? What I'm arguing is that I had no life. I know what?

True. But other people don't have life and still haven't made it as far as you are. So is the system failing us? But here's the thing. It's not as far as I are or I did. It's like made it. I think that you should be proud of over any type of success that you have. If I would have become my dream job was to be a teacher.

I'm like I worked really hard to get that. Okay. I can't, I can't have this argument right now. I'm just not. I'm not in the right mind. It's Friday. I can't straw man an argument.

I, like, I can't do it right now. I'm like, but Ellie. Like, I'm like, Ellie,

but is, do you remember the alamo? So I have to remember the alamo now? I'm like, I usually like to, to either fake or real argue against points like this so that people

can't really tell where we stand on things. but I just can't do it right now. I kind of did it with the bear. I can't do it again. So do you know I'm right? No, it's not as I just, it takes a lot for me to get in the mindset of thinking the way that I don't usually think to.

See, because you know what I'm right. To justify. No, I'm not saying that. Okay, so this obscene list. It's totally been destroyed. We all know it. Let me read this first. Some people are frustrated with Trump over the Epstein files because he had previously suggested he would release a long rumored

client list tied to Jeffrey Epstein. However, recent documents from the Department of Justice and FBI state that no such list exists. Leading to disappointment among those who were expecting new revelations, critics, including some of Trump's past supporters, have question... Sorry, I thought I heard it. I did. Yeah, that's okay. Keep going. Have question why more information. wasn't uncovered, while others believe the issue has become overly politicized. The reaction

reflects broader tensions around trust and institutions and differing expectations about transparency. Does anybody like Trump right now? I know he was on such a hot streak, and now I think he's in the dumps right now, for sure. Does he know that? This list must have been real bad. Because you know, like he could have like come out with the list and everybody would have been like, he also kind of gaslit a little bit like in that interview. He was like, he was like, he was like, who cares? The guy was a creep and he like tried to like discredit. Are you kidding me, Trump? Like, are you kidding me?

You wanted it just as bad as the rest of us. He kind of ran on it. Yeah, he did. He kind of ran on like draining the swamp. What's wrong with him right now? I'm telling you it must be really bad. The list? Or the pressure to not release the list.

Or that he's on the list? I don't know. Maybe he's on the list. Dude, that's the only answer. The weirdest thing for me about this is that like, Diddy got off and the Epstein list was basically discredited as like not real. Like kind of at the same time. And I've never been more firm of a believer that there's like basically large scale child sex trafficking going on.

Like I am now, I was always kind of like, okay, like, is that, that happening at like such a, what do they call it, Illuminati type of scale. Now I'm kind of like so confused. The way that they are lying about it makes me so confused. That's how I feel. Hmm. Right. Isn't it weird that Diddy got off and like people were making fun of Diddy like they knew it was real. Like Kevin Hart made a joke about it on at the BET words, I think. And now it's like, and now he's like, he got off on most. most of the charges. I think he got, there were two charges that stuck, I think. What were the two charges that he...

What's racketeering mean? Do you know what racketeering means? But like you don't, if you're ditty, you don't get off unless you have significant leverage. He was not... Two counts of transportation to... To engage in prostitution. What does that mean? So doesn't that mean? So doesn't that mean that he for sure, that's like, okay, he got ubers for girls to go sleep with men. Isn't that?

That's, I think it's a lesser charge, but so he didn't get caught up in the Grants conspiracy, which would have probably been the bigger prison sentence. But it's kind of like saying like, yeah, he did it, but we're going to like minimize how much he did it. It's kind of what I read it as. Just like a bunch of big Ls over and over again. I know. It's really made me not.

not trust really anything about the system. Yeah, like all these wins that we thought we had. I know, Trump and Elon are fighting. Patel coming out. Yeah. And then the Epstein list being buried and,

I honestly don't follow politics that much anymore because I think it's useless. It was really entertaining for a while, though. It was fun. Well, you know, we're at 56 minutes. I think we did our jobs today,

if you asked me. We did good. I really think we did good. You did good. Okay, we love you guys. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.