De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - Someone is Back on the Hamster Wheel..

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

Happy Thursday De-Influencers! Welcome back and let's get into it.. We fear Jordan may be taking Dani's place on the work hamster wheel. They're having an open conversation about the vicious cycle of needing to be enough and achieve enough from a faith based perspective. Plus, Dani is scared of Sabrina Carpenter?? Yeah... we really have some range in this episode so make sure you're tuned in! We scored some great deals with a few of our favorite brands for our listeners: If you’re ready to build your own empire—whether it’s merch, a passion project you’ve been sitting on, or even a summer side hustle, get on Shopify.com/dani and make it happen Huggies Little Snugglers, now with blowout protection in every direction* *Sizes 1-2. Huggies. Huggies.com. Go to MagneticMe.com today - new customers will get 15% off their first order!! Don’t settle for less than evidence-based support. Get 25% off your first month at ritual.com/DEINFLUENCED. Make sure you’re subscribed to our official channel on YouTube, @deinfluencedpodcast, and follow us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your De-Influenced fix! Stay connected with us on Instagram and TikTok @deinfluencedpodcast, and as always thank you for being a part of this journey. We'll see you next time! we love y'all!!

The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast, D-influenced. What episode is this? 1,4? 1,0003. 106. 106. We have filmed 106 episodes together.

That is 106 miraculous hours, 106 therapy sessions, 106 hours, 106 hours of falling more in love. You know, the one thing that people have to say about us, we're consistent. We won't give up. Is that what people say? That's what I like to say. Because I feel like I'm so inconsistent in every way in life. The funniest thing about you, though, is you are inconsistent and consistent at the same time. See, I told you all this is a therapy session every time.

You are inconsistent in you want every day to look different. so you have no consistency to your day to day, but you are consistent with your routine responsibilities, meaning you have posted on the internet. Let me tell you. You have posted on the internet. Is it like... 4,466 posts.

And I don't even know how many stories. But like... I mean, of the past five years, you have probably taken, well, minus the whole two months. I ate us. Before that. Before that. I mean, maybe what, like five days off of posting stories? Yeah, that's a problem.

You're kind of an interesting, like you really can't be put into a box. Thank you. That's what I would think too. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You know something I have been consistent at is playing tennis. And I am just loving it. I'm becoming obsessed. And I haven't been obsessed with something besides posting on the internet in a long time. it's been a long time since I've had a hobby that just really gets me going. Like, you know, so much so that I bought like court shoes.

Like I actually bought shoes that are for tennis. Did you buy them at the Wilson store? No, I bought them at Nordstrom just because they were the only pair they had available in my size. But I don't know if it was the shoes or if the wind was just blowing the right way. I played so good this morning. I was like, I might. I should probably just. join a team. Yeah. Like I was really like I do you join teams.

Do you join me? Yeah, you can. But here's the thing. I'm not a part of any club. So nobody would have me. You have to join a club. And I'm telling you like how are we going to get into these country clubs when they all deny me? Such a shame. Such an elitist sport. I know. I'm telling you. It's like you can't even pay to play because you have to be like a member. You have to like know somebody. And I just wasn't raised in that know somebody plate like environment. We'll figure it out. So if anybody knows somebody and they want to help me get into any club, I really don't care. I just want to play tennis. You know, that's all.

And I would like to take some private lessons here and there, you know. I took a private lesson yesterday with Janelle and Wesley, which is so funny, y'all that I'm, like, I'm friends with this girl that I was best friends with, like, kindergarten through third grade. She was like my best friend. And then I hadn't seen her for 25 years. And now we're like hanging out again. It's so funny. Yeah. you, how are you feeling in your well-rounded era? Because you're very well-rounded right now.

I feel great. Yeah. You have hobbies. I have so many friends right now. You're still working. Yeah. You're a wife. You're a mother. You're a queen. I'm like, what was I doing before? I highly recommend it for everyone. Just like, just like make a little wellness wheel and then like, you know, do religion, social life, work. And then just like put all the things that you want to do in each one of them and then just like do them all. Like just don't. Yeah. What are the greatest lessons you've learned? from becoming well-rounded. I feel like I've experienced true joy.

Really? Do you experience joy like every day? Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, I feel that for me, for sure. Yeah, and I don't have as much anxiety. And you know what I'm sensing from you more is like your, you're like, your flame is back, your passion. Like you're coming to me with ideas.

Yeah. Again, like you have enough joy and freedom and blank space to come up with new things. Yeah, just enough. It's good to be bored sometimes. But it's, it's hard for you to understand. this, like the ideas, because I would say you know yourself and then I feel like I know you pretty well. I probably know you the best. Yeah, I think I know you the best. But anyway, as someone who knows you the best, there's a difference in the way that you come up with new ideas.

It's like you're coming up with them from a place of joy versus I have to do this to perform. Yeah, like my healthy Taco Bell idea the other day. Oh, so genius. Yes. Like you're, she wants develop a healthy taco belt, which is a great idea. Which you would think, oh, Chipotle already did it. No. Like, I'm talking like a Taco Bell drive-through. Yes. You can still get that crunchy, gordita crunch.

And you can still get the burrito. Chipotle is like great, but it's not like I'm talking like we still include a little bit of grease, you know? Totally. Just like, we just know that the meat came from a cow, not like a cat or a dog. But it's like avocado oil. Totally. Yeah, we could do that.

Not seed oil. Yeah. Or maybe we, hey, maybe we cook with beef tallow. There you go. My health is taco at all. Staking shakes is doing it. Yeah, staking shakes do it. They only cook a couple things.

You know who you should partner with in this? Let me think. Let me think. Alex Clark. Yes, yes, yes. I feel like she'd be a buzzkill though because I feel like she would be like so anal about everything. And like I'm okay with like letting a few things slide. Like, you know, I'm not here to save the world.

It's just like when I'm in a rush. Like I just don't want to be like poisoning myself. Totally. But like I also understand that like some, you know, it's not going to be like perfect, you know, it's still probably going to be a little high sodium. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, I'm, I'm so glad that, um, that you are so well-rounded.

I've had the worst week. I know. I feel for you. You did feel for me. I've had the worst week. I told my producer. I was like, we were talking about like how I, you know, had a mental breakdown. I was like, Jordan's next.

No, I, I was giving vibes of a mental breakdown this week. And it was just like, you know, you have those weeks where it's like it, when it rains, it pours. Yes. It's like every bad thing that could have happened this week happened. Just everything broke. In work. In work. Yeah.

Everything broke. Everything broke. Everything broke. I actually felt like God gave me a word to tell you. Tell me. I was going to tell you earlier, but then I got embarrassed. Well, no, no. I've been asking him.

So tell me. Oh, okay. What do you tell you? I was driving home and I was like, oh, this is a word that I should tell Jordan. And then I got home and I just chicken out. I was like, I want to be that girl. Wait. I know, I got nervous.

That's so, that's so, that's so, um, selfish. I know, I know. But I just, I felt like it wasn't the right time. Okay. Not that this is the best time either. You'd be shocked at how much comes out on this podcast. What we really, what's the best thing about this podcast is like we have no idea what we're going to talk about.

And so we just have to really dig deep on all the things that we're not talking about to talk about on this podcast. So every issue, every conflict in our marriage, it just comes up here because we're like, oh, what else are we going to talk about? Yes, yes. So what's the word? Okay, so I was driving home and I was like thinking about you. And I even prayed, I was like, God, if I do tell him, well, you just make sure that it's

like actually from you and not from myself. So I think we're, we might be in the clear, but maybe not. So we just take parts of it that maybe, you know, resonate with and then everything else you're just throughout the window. But I think what God wanted me to tell you is that what, you what you don't see and what he has in store for you is so much bigger like you can't even fathom like the joy and peace that you're going to feel one day and I don't even know if that's this earthly this earthly realm or even in heaven and he was just like I just want you like everything

that that you you need in order to like have joy like I have blessed you with everything you don't need anything else. And he was just like, I want you to have so much fun with everything you're doing. I don't want you to take it too serious because, and honestly, I might not give you more because I'm scared that it might push you away from me. And like, I love you too much. But like, I want to give you those things. Like, I want you to have everything that your heart desires because I love you. But, um, but I just want you to like not not take it so serious because the level of joy and like what is to come like you're going to laugh one day and then you're going to be like oh why did i carry so much weight on my shoulders and he just wants you to know that he's involved in every single like little

decision yes or no and sometimes the nose are coming from a place of like protection or whatever and it's not it's not it's not um it's not a no because you're not good enough man i received that that's babe that wasn't a word that was words plural that was I would have been so mad at you if you didn't share that. I know. I don't know. I'll say it's some point, but I don't know. Can I tell you a funny story? Is the reason I know it's from God, this is a crazy story. So I see that new therapist. Yeah. So I was talking to this therapist. And a lot of like what we're working on right now is this idea that like I have to do it all and I have to carry the weight of the world on my shoulders. And a lot of that goes like to childhood or being the firstborn. or whatever, and feeling responsible for everything.

But this is so random. We were talking about this and I said, you know, I saw this meme on the internet. And it wasn't really a meme. It was like a Christian meme. But it was this picture of like this kid holding a teddy bear behind his back and saying, oh, I don't want to give it up. And then it was like a picture of like Jesus being there. And then he had a much bigger teddy bear.

And he said, well, you just trust me. I have something better. I feel like I've seen that. You've seen that? Yeah. So anyway, this is crazy. I was like, yeah, I feel like that is me right now because I'm so scared to just like let go of all these things. I feel like I have to control or hold up in the air to just keep everyone happy, right? Whether that be like a divvy or our family. And there's just like all this responsibility that I feel like I have to carry. And I was like, I feel like God's asking me to like let it go and surrender it. But I don't know how practically to do that, you know, because if I don't show up, then I feel like all these things don't happen. Mm-hmm. And I said, I talked to her about the meme and she froze. And she was like, Jordan, you are going to freak out.

She was like, I literally saved this meme on my phone. To show you. And I was going to show you this before. And it was just so clearly like a God divine thing that God was like, hey. And that's literally what I just told you. And that's literally what you just told me. And that happened this week on Monday. Yeah.

So I receive that. I am so bought into it. And I agree. And I think most of the time, because I feel like I've had a general light spirit this year. Yeah. I'm funny. You know, I make jokes.

It's like really bad things happen. And I'm like, ah, we'll figure it out, guys. But like this week, I was just so burdened. I know. I know. It's all like perspective, though, because it's so true. Like I felt like what God was trying to say is like, I don't know what you're searching for and like I don't know what you're reaching for but you already have it all

like you already have everything that you would ever need to feel close to me to feel true joy like anything else like I just want you to figure out how to use it to be like to like basically worship me but like I feel like his big thing was like I almost saw him like waving his arms at you being like dude don't miss this like don't miss it like you already miss what Oh, just like it. Like you already have it. Like you already, and like, don't waste it because you already have like literally everything you need and like, and I'm giving you so many blessings.

But basically it was kind of like, but hey, like if we keep going down this path, like, I'm scared. Like I was scared that I'm going to lose you a little bit. And I don't think that you were necessarily like headed down that path. But it is a slippery slope. Once you get into this like work, not workaholism, I don't think you were like a workaholic. I think you kind of worry. You were like working for.

before or like this week this week no for sure yeah like working until like 9 p.m on your laptop just obsessed like I it's because like yeah the problem I just become obsessed with problems but the craziest thing is this is why I was asking for your advice I have one more thing before I forget oh yeah about it sorry she's like she's like dory sorry I really am the one other thing that I was to tell you is that I understand or he understands that like with with building a business and having this PE firm and all this pressure and everything you're doing with the city council and everything, everything is always very like linear when you're building on top of it. Like they're like, for example, if you don't show up to the meeting, then this doesn't get done.

Right. Or if you don't perform at this scale or you don't fill up these numbers, then one day when a company tries to buy you and invest in you, they're going to ask like what happened here. And there's all these like you, you build you this pressure because if you don't do it, it doesn't get done. But I felt like what God was also saying is you're neglecting the fact that like, like what you're dealing with with me is like supernatural. Like he doesn't, it's not logical. It's not numbers.

It's not whatever. And like when he's involved, like miracles happen. Things that don't make sense happen. Yeah. The craziest thing is that the my perspective is what I also said like in the session was like God's still provisional to me and to my family. Like he still is like speaking to me and giving me direction. And, you know, like we had another crazy story where I had had this like sort of vision of

something for Danny. And it was like an idea for Danny. But like I didn't really, we've come so far in our marriage that like I didn't want to force that. And she's been so well rounded and healthy that I didn't want to come across as like, hey, I'm pushing this idea on you. And I was like, I feel what looks like obedience right now is like I'm not going to share what I feel like I've been, you know, told by God is like a vision for Danny and an idea for Danny because like I don't want to affect where she's at. So it's crazy. She comes to me at breakfast and she's like, babe, I have this idea. And I'm not going to say what the idea is. Yeah, because it's totally going to happen. But like, it's a healthy talk about.

Like she had come to me and she was like, babe, I have this idea. And I could tell you were a little bit sheepish in telling me too because it was kind of like around like a touchy subject. And like you, it would kind of require you to kind of get back to work more. And like we've been so healthy. And you told me the idea. And it was the exact idea and vision that I felt called to. for her, like to the T. And it was so funny because it was the first time that I was like, and to be clear, when God told me the vision, he didn't tell me what you were going to do in

the vision. He told me what he wanted me to do to support your vision, right? So then the vision comes from Danny. And then I'm like, oh, I know exactly how I'm supposed to support you in this. Like, here's the phone call that I'm going to make. And so I really do feel like God is very thick and present. What I was saying is that in this therapy session, I realized in this, what I said, is that God's going to be provisional and he's going to keep speaking to me and he's going to still be showing me grace along the way. The only person who's suffering along the way is me. And it's like either I'm going to have a perspective of doubt that like when everything breaks down, God's got it, like, you know, yeah, sorry, doubt is in though like, oh, it's on me. I have to fix it,

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But like I don't have to be everything and do everything. And the perspective of faith is like so much more peaceful. We were talking to this friend that we have and he had met two different quarterbacks. like Hall of Fame quarterbacks, Drew Breeze and Aaron Rogers. And he was talking about how. Oh yeah, which friend was, I don't tell me. I don't want to. Drew, Drew Breeze was someone who is a believer,

a monumental success, but he was like, it's crazy the difference between and Aaron Rogers and Drew Breeze in terms of their overall happiness, their overall temperament and the overall way that they carry themselves. And he was like, my perspective as a believer is that Drew Brees knows that all of this is just simply like temporary. It is not eternal. Whereas like Aaron,

Aaron Rogers was someone who's very clearly searching. And all this is in his documentary. This is not private. He's doing ayahuasca. He's trying to figure out like what is life. He's searching. And there's nothing wrong with that. But he was like the difference in perspective is is absolutely different.

So what's crazy about what you just told me is it's, it's not like a punishment from God. It's almost like God being like, hey, like, I, want you to have fun. I want you to do what I made you good at, but like your perspective needs to shift for your own well-being. But I do believe that sometimes God does punish us. And I do think like, thank God because that's sometimes what, that's how we learned as children. And I do think sometimes like God is, is, uh, challenges us and he says no. And I think that's my biggest, uh, sometimes I feel like people, the prosperity gospel is something that just really, really just irks me in my gears. I just, it's really discouraging for me because it's so much of, when I'm speaking to you

about what God has for you in the future, I don't even really know if that's like this worldly future. I don't know if that's even here on earth. Well, I don't want anything more, though. That's the, that's the thing. Sorry, let me, because you know, I'm already dory. I'm like, where am on? I forgot what was going. Will it be late. Um, well, I'll be late. in 24 Sydney.

And that's one thing that I want our audience to really understand is sometimes following Jesus and sometimes pursuing a life that Jesus wants you, like how he wants you to live, sometimes is actually one of the hardest things to do. And sometimes the most painful things come from it. Like maybe loneliness or maybe not being involved in the crowd and separating yourself and having like seasons of loneliness and dryness. And sometimes like, you know, it's hard. It can be really hard.

And I don't know. When I felt like God was giving me this word, I almost felt like it all kind of ties together because of that girl that we're going to go to the basketball game tonight with. Did I say that tonight with? Anyway, she had that near-death experience that we were talking about. And the more I've been learning about people that have had near-death experiences, they are like moms of small children or they are like fathers of, you know, their kids are about to go to

college or they have grandchildren. And they go and they experience this spiritual realm. And they're like, it is so good. And it's so amazing. I don't even want to come back to earth. Even though they have all these loved ones that they adore and they would never do anything to leave. And sometimes I feel like all these promises and all these like, and I don't know because I'm not God. But sometimes I feel like it's like of what's to come. when heaven does come to earth, because in Revelations, it talks about how heaven will come to earth. And sometimes I feel like that's where God is telling us to trust him, that it's like, this life that we have on earth is so short. And like, it's such a blessing. It's not going to be easy. You're going to have thorns in your sides. And it all is perspective, because I want you

to see how much I want to bless you with in this life. But it's not all going to be roses. But trust me, like what I have for you when heaven comes to earth, it is going to be like insane. And you're going to be like so happy that you had those seasons of dryness that I disciplined you, that I said no, that I didn't get, I didn't let you sell your company for a bajillion dollars. You're going to thank God that I didn't let you because I want you to be here when heaven comes to earth with me and I don't want to lose you. And so you're going to thank me that I said, no, I let you be lonely. I didn't give you what you wanted. And that's where I think a lot of people see that as maybe, you see it as punishment, you see it as negativity, but it's like God

pruning us and God caring for us in these like miraculous ways. And it's that perspective, but we don't see it, then it's like, that's where you miss it. And no, for sure. And so, so yeah, prosperity, Gus will bet. The funniest thing about you and I is that I don't, like, even these things that are breaking at work, it's not that I'm like scared of the money loss. It's like, it's like, and when you were stuck in your hamster wheel too. It wasn't about money for us. It's like performance. It's like, I just like don't want to fail. You know, it's like. Okay. So let's talk about this. What are you scared at failing at? Um, like specifically. Um, just give me one example. Um, well, I think that I'm, I'm, there's expectations and expectations I've set for myself, whether it's financially for Divi or,

you know, other projects that I'm working on. There's like these expectations that I set for myself. And so it's an arbitrary goal that failure is arbitrary because like I'm the one who set the bar. Does that make sense? So like let's just say, but the bar keeps raising. Let's just say you have a goal of a revenue. new number that you want to hit this year? 100 million. 100 million. Okay. And like...

And divvy, sorry. And then, so what happens if you don't hit that number? Who's going to look down at you? Who's going to think of you as a failure? Yeah, probably no one. No, I mean, truly. Like, no, we might, like, our PE firm might be like, be a real. Like, who's going to be like, wow, that's, you know, that's a bummer.

Jordan didn't hit it. Like, I thought I had confidence in him. You didn't do it. Yeah, I would say, when your private equity backed, I think that, because they have bosses too. So their whole fund is based on a model of company A, B, C, D, E doing X, Y, Z, you know, and so I think that that's kind of the pressure cooker that things get put under is it's like, you know, there's expectations set at the beginning of a year, year shifts, variable shift, you know, and so then like, you want to hit

these numbers, but, you know, the mix changes within channels and So it's like, yeah, it's just like a, but again, no one's going to fail, right? Like, okay, let's say you do. But you might. Well, yeah, but, yeah, you might. Yeah, you might. Yeah. And then what are you going to do?

Like, you might not even get close to $100 million. Well, then it's like, then I failed. Yeah. And then what? Well, then I'm a failure. You are for real? You think that? I would be a failure.

So I'm a one on the enneagram. So that's where it gets really tricky. It's like I feel like failure becomes almost like a morality thing for me. You know? Because it's like I gave you my word that I would do this. And like right and wrong is so. You gave them your word that you were going to hit 100 million. Well, I bought into the expectation.

Okay. Yes. And so, so yeah, it becomes like a like, I failed. And it's not just like, oh, I failed. I messed up. Let's get back up and do it again. It's like a, like it's like a good and bad thing. Does that make sense?

It's like a. I don't get the, why is it good? It's just hard because like if you're not an enneagram one, I feel like you don't understand. No, I totally understand. Like the world is so like black and white. It's like it's black or white or good or bad. You know, and so like it's like success or failure.

That's how I got my. myself in this, that horrible place was I had these crazy expectations, like numbers, certain amount of brand deals, whatever I wanted to do monthly that nobody else really cared about. And I'm like, no, but everything will crash if I don't. And then I'm a failure. Literally, and it like, I'm like you, it didn't really matter about the numbers or whatever, but I was like, my biggest fear in life is being a loser. Yeah. Was being a loser.

I'm not scared. Well, I guess failure, loser synonymous terms. Yeah. Yeah. Like I just don't want to be a loser. I want to be great. Yeah. No, that's and and I don't really think I want it for other people because I don't really think I care what other people think. Like I want it for myself, you know, and I want to be able to, you know, I don't know. I'm really stuck in this like. What do you think that God would say about that? That I'm good just like without all of these. Like it's not about success or failure. No, but like it's so hard. It's so hard.

And I think it's like so hard when you are the leader responsible for results too. Like that's what's the hardest is like how do you how do you this is what I'm learning and this like literally what I talked about with with Kay is like how do you how do you hold the like literally be the one responsible for like a P&L but operate that. with surrender and I mean that's what I struggled with too I was responsible for my own P&L and your team and everything responsible for my team but I'm also like a mother and all these things and like how do I surrender it

when it's like no I literally just need to hit this number so I can pay my team like it's like it's not as easy as you guys are all making it sound well it's so funny because from the outside looking in just like you're looking from the outside looking at me it wasn't that complicated because I'm like Danny like everything is fine, but you couldn't get out of the mental framework. Of the expectation as you set for yourself.

Correct. And so that is what I, this week in particular, feel personally trapped in. And it's only because like, you know, it's only like three things broke at once, right? And so that was the, the, you told me on Wednesday night, you were like, hey, I feel like you're just in this like unhealthy cycle. And you need to leave town and go to Colorado next week and just kind of reset. And I was like, I totally agree. But yeah, that's that's the danger of this like performance framework that I got stuck in. Yeah. That's why I was like, hey, how did you get out of this thing again?

I mean, I know I was there the whole time, but tell me. Yeah. You were like, take naps. Like, I dendip it every day. Played Dennis. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it is a vicious cycle. But it's like it's just, yeah, a big part of it, I really think is also just perspective.

It's, no, I think it's, I think 97% of it is perspective. Like, and it's like, it's the perspective of, hey, am I control? I think it's boiled down to am I in control or am I not in control, right? And sometimes I get into a really unhealthy state where I believe that I am in control. And I, what I've been telling myself this week is like, I'm in control of the discipline that I put in within a reasonable time frame of nine to five, right? If I go, past nine to five, I'm kind of typically believing that I'm in control of more than that. And so I've been telling myself, like, I'm in control of like showing up and giving it my best, but God is in control of the results. I wonder if there's, so something that I've been doing, and this is, I'm no therapist. And I actually don't even know that this is healthy. You're getting close. But I'm like, I wonder what it would do if you kind of already.

envisioned and accepted the fact that you were a failure, even if you hadn't failed. Because sometimes I feel like that's how I've been treating each month when it comes to my numbers. I'm like, I'm probably not going to hit them. I probably won't. It's okay. Who cares? I don't really need to. I know.

And you, you get like three or four awards. It's like Danny Austin, entrepreneur of the year. And I'm like, that's been the biggest conundrum of this year. And then Jenny are like, she's taking naps every day. What are you talking about? And then Jenny's like, yes, you got this other like, Maybelline brand deal. And I'm like, what?

I haven't worked with Mabelian in like years. And it's like triple the rate that I usually get. Like, and then she's like, yeah. And then we're going to do this brand deal and this. And I'm like, oh my gosh. Like, it's like I'm kind of making the same amount, but only working like three days a week. And I don't know. Maybe that's a blessing from God.

Maybe it's just like I just am working smart or not hard. I don't really know. But I do feel like I kind of like I had accepted the fact that I wasn't going to make the Forbes list because that was always like a big thing. me. I was like, oh, I don't want to, like, give up control because I want to make the Forbes list again. And so then I was like, so I need to hit these numbers and I need to do this and I do that. And then I got to this point where I was like, you know, I'm probably not going to make it. I'm probably not going to. And I don't know. I feel like that's maybe bad advice because like, I feel like most people that like achieve and do great things, like have this like they,

they envision in and they accomplish all their goals and dreams. But I wonder if in this stage of life. It's if it's just like, hey, I'm going to accept the fact that I'm probably, I'm not going to hit those numbers. So right now, I'm just going to do the best that I can. There was, Chrissy, you might be able to help me out with this, but we haven't dropped this episode yet, but we interviewed Tim Dunn, who's the guy who sold his company for $12 billion. And the one thing I do feel like is pretty consistent with wildly successful people who are believers is there's this kind of flow through that sort of happens. So like I feel like our ego and, our human nature and our sin state wants to hold on to success and be like, I did this, right?

And, you know, with Tim, one of the biggest things he said was when we exited for $12 billion, I felt, I felt burdened by the responsibility of it because he was so tuned in with the Lord that like, this was not his. It was more, hey, God, I'm here to accept whatever much or little you give to me and whatever much or little you give to me is not mine. It is mine to steward. And so I don't know if it's about waking up. Is that, did I nail it? Yes. Yeah, that's kind of what he said. And people should listen to that episode. But, you know, I don't know if it's about waking up being like, I'm a failure per se, because that's really negative. But what I'm, what I'm trying to get out. Cheap therapist. But what I think that I'm, I'm being asked to do is

to accept whatever good or bad success or failure is like of the Lord and from the Lord and not on me so that I can steward whatever is given freely. Like I'm trying to remove myself from all of the results. Does that make sense? Yeah. I mean, I think that's what the freedom that's kind of what I'm saying is by removing myself from saying I have to get this number. I probably I probably am not going to hit it. And if I like that doesn't mean I'm not trying still. Like I but I'm just prioritizing what needs to be prioritized. It's a heart state. I don't know how I explain it.

It's like a state of the heart. And after one week of being in the unhealthy state of the heart, I need to reset. So as you guys know, we just won EY Entrepreneur of the Year for Divi. And we were so excited. We kind of want to take you back to the beginning and let you know a little bit about the behind the scenes of kind of how we all started this. I remember it was crazy. We launched with one skew. and we launched out of my unborn son's nursery.

It was Stratton. I was pregnant at the time. And so when we got this opportunity, Shopify reached out to us to work with us this year. And it was like literally a no-brainer because Divi has always been on Shopify. We have been tried and true on that platform literally from day one. I also remember the first day, the best part about using Shopify is like we could banish it from anywhere. And I remember one of the first days we ever had like a seven-figure day. we were in Mexico, which was really cool.

But anyway, do you want to talk about why you chose Shopify? Because I remember when we were like, okay, let's watch a product. I really had no idea where it began. And you had more of a background in like startups. And so do you want to speak to like why we like Shopify? Yeah. I mean, I feel like when we launched Divi, we had no idea what it was going to be. Yeah.

And so we were operating out of our unborn sons nursery. I'm not a developer or a coder. So I needed something that was good, reliable, and straightforward. So I literally, you know, went on to Shopify.com, chose a theme and hired one person over customer support. And we launched Divi. And I'm like, over here. I'm like, he's a genius. I clicked four buttons.

But we launched Divi from that Shopify storefront. And the craziest part about that story is we are on the same website that we were well. Are we still really? Yeah. And we are. It's crazy. I mean, we've changed the themes and like there's like a lot of like apps that you can add to Shopify, but we're on the very same store that we were on before. I remember when we first launched too. Like I had the Shopify app on my phone. I don't look at it.

Do you still look at the like sales every day? No, I have to look at like a bunch of other metrics. But like, yeah, I mean. But I used to get on there every single night and I would just like check and see like, oh my gosh, we got a sale here. And I would like track like, oh my gosh, somebody in California knows about us. For somebody in Washington. It was like, wild. For the craziest thing about Shopify as a company, and I mean this sincerely, is that they are great for small businesses that want to get on the ding, the ding on their phone, like every time an order comes in. And then they are great for large scale businesses, too. Like, it's kind of the industry standard across e-commerce. Wait, that's so true. Because you would think, like, it's shocking to me that we use the same platform that we started with. No, 100. Like, that doesn't exist. That's kind of unheard of. Like, you usually, I would say everything else that we had, we outgrew. In fact, most of the bigger companies that were on other platforms are now switching to Shopify.

Yeah. Well, I love it. Honestly, it has always just been such a staple for us. It's like the backbone to our business. Just giving us so much ease, so much flexibility to grow. And like I said, we can manage our business from anywhere, which is really nice. Like we're going to Colorado tomorrow. And if something is changing or something we need to look at, we can just like pull it up on our phone. I should pull it up right now. It's like, ding-ding-ding. Still got the app. Oh, good job, team. They're doing really great today. And that's so funny. Yeah, it is cool. Like, I can check on our subscriptions. I can check on, like, our website traffic. I can check on anything. And they have really straightforward analytics so that people like you or me who don't really know Excel that well, like we can just understand it. Like, Excel who? So if you're ready to build your own business, whether it's merch, a passion project you've been sitting on or even a Somerside hustle, get on Shopify.com slash Danny and make it happen because we did. And now we've sold more than two million bottles of the scalp serum that started it all. Thank you to Shopify for sponsoring our podcast and being the best e-commerce platform ever.

We love you. Well, good. We're going to Aspen. So moving on. Where we're going before that, by the way, WNBA game tonight. Guys, this might be like kind of my coolest invite. Where's it at? Like a high school gym?

Swarden. You are going to get shit on for that comment. I mean, we're over here talking about God's blessings and goodness. To be clear. And now you're sexist. To be clear. To be clear, if anyone hacked my phone and read my group text, I told my guy friends who were having a barbecue tonight that I couldn't go because I was going to a WMBA game.

And trust me, you can assume. the way I got made fun of in this text. And I stood up for females everywhere and I said, you sexist, misogynistic pigs. But then you just made that comment. I'm going to support the Dallas wings. And you guys are disgusting for the way. Who are the Dallas wings playing?

I don't know the teams. The Indiana Falcons. It's a growing sport. It's a growing sport. And guess who plays for Indian and Falcons? Caitlin Clark. No, she doesn't. Yeah, she does.

No, she plays for the fever. Shit. Please keep it in. Because you literally just made my point. It's like, Indiana fever. Okay, it started with an F.

Also, who's the fever? What is a fever? This is what I'm saying, guys. Like, listen, that's why my joke was funny because it's like,

we can both be for the WNBA and also acknowledge, and also acknowledge that it's a under-indexed rapidly growing and expanding sport. that we are now jumping on. Well, we're sitting courtside.

Which also explains a lot. But can I be honest? Can I be honest? Can I be honest? Where is the game? American Airlines. Is it really? I had heard it was at the convention center.

No, it's American Airlines. Okay, got it. 630. We invited a new friend. Yes. So that's always funny. So to be clear, Caitlin Clark is going to be there tonight? Yeah, she's playing for the fever fuckens.

Oh, you didn't tell me that. I told you. We love Caitlin Clark. It's playing for the fuck. A touch. Indiana fever falcons. So I thought we were just going to a random WNBA game. If we're going to see Caitlin Clark, she's an icon.

No, that's what I'm saying. People are freaking out. She's kind of a big deal. No, she's a huge deal. But isn't there a lot of controversy happening right now because the WNBA is like not. Also, she just got hurt. She's getting beat up a lot. Yeah, she just got hurt.

Like her groin or something is like out. Like she didn't play against Los Angeles or something. She's not playing tonight? you're freaking kidding me you fever falcons oh my god are you serious yeah i don't think she's playing tonight well hey maybe she'll sit by us she sat out on the last game because she was going to play tonight yeah maybe she will play she's playing she's playing

she's playing we're gonna see her falcons we're a sports podcast now we're a sports podcast i i do want to say this though is it true though, that she is being mistreated in the WMBA? You know what? We're about to see. Wait, in like what way? So let me tell you, because I think you'll relate to this.

So like... You know, I was a baller in high school. Yes. So she comes into the WMBA. She's a superstar. She has probably the most brand awareness for the WMBA of any athlete out there. Yeah, she's like out being endorsed by all these huge athletes. So the speculation, I'm not saying this.

The speculation is that like she, if you watch like clips, she's like getting like elbowed the face and like she's getting beat up by the rest of the league because I think they're so jealous of her stardom. So like she's a rookie. Wait, wait, hold on. I just want to like make sure is this like a known fact? Because when you play basketball, you do get beat up. No. It's like, it's like, it's like more intentional. Okay. Yeah. It's like, it's like crazy. Like people are like running and they're like, oh. Right. I'm sure someone poked her in the eye like a game ago. Okay, see, the thing is like us girls, that's, I mean, you put us on a court like that. And like, there's so many hormones. And I'm like, I'm going to literally kill you. Like, I used to do that. Like, when I played basketball, I was always a little skinny little bony thing. And these girls would come over and just, and I literally, we'd be running on the other side of court trying to just like, just running. And I would literally go up to the girl and just elbow the shit out of her. I'd be like, stay back. Like, like, because you kind of have to do that because otherwise they will come for you. Like. And so, or sometimes I was. And sometimes I was. You know. take my nails.

I was a bad girl. But like I think that what's happening is rather than seeing the bigger picture, like, of how much additional revenue that she is bringing into the league as like a star, like the other. They're making nothing. Is that what you're saying? No, the other girls are like instead like jealous and trying to destroy her. Why?

Don't you think like what she's bringing to the league is good for everybody? That's what that's what, everyone's confused about. They're like, why, why is the WMBA not protecting and or prioritizing Caitlin Clark versus like letting this get so rowdy around her? Because bigger picture, she's doing more for the WMBA. Because it just brings more drama more money. Oh, so you think they're capitalizing on a drama? Yeah, because it's a story. That's a good, that's a good theory. Yeah, it's a story. It's like now we're all got to go see Caitlin Cart get beat up. She better defend herself. Like, she better, like, I want to see what happens. I want to see this. That's a good story. That's, that's a good. So

you think it's all intentional. Yeah, I think that all sports are just like another form of media. It's all about the drama. Hot take. It's a good take. I do also think, though, that girls can be very mean to other girls. And so I think that there's like a very strong element of this where it's like, veterans are like, I've been playing this for 10 years. You think you can come in here. Oh, girls are so mean. And they're probably, there's probably more mean to rookies. Like the WMBA is probably more mean to like a rookie like Caitlin Clark than. And they're probably, there's probably more mean to like Caitlin Clark. And the NBA probably ever is to any incoming rookie. I could see it.

And you know what really hurts the most? Are the words that are being said. Sixth and stones may break my bones. Well, I think she's been pretty poised about it, right? She doesn't like slap back. But you know it hurts. Yeah, but she doesn't show weakness. And that's why we love her.

But that's why girl also hate her. That's also for sure, Danny, for sure. I know. Because I've watched, I've learned a lot about the, Female. The, what is it like the, the, the jungle of females, right, in the internet? Like, I've learned a lot about how mean they are to other girls. Yes, like how mean they are to other girls and how fickle the statement women support women actually is.

It is until the woman. You are better than me. Yeah, you have to, like, until you go too far better than it. And then it's like, we turn on you, right? That's why I swear Taylor's said dresses the way that she dresses to be. relatable. It probably is true, honestly. Because like, and I, yeah, it's just so fickle. And I can't explain it. What is that? Jealousy? Invy? Yeah. Yeah. Man. Yeah. So mean. I know, us females. You better watch out. It's horrible. It's horrible. Yeah, but I'm really, I'm really excited. I, um, you know,

I hope I get Caitlin Clark's autograph. I hope I get a selfie with her. that would be cool. Are you going to, are you going to support women and buy season tickets? Are you? Yeah, I already did. I really support woman. If I play,

women, you make fun of me. Yeah. Did I say woman again? People can't get past it. Guys, I, like,

I'm sorry, this is a product of public schooling. They never taught me to say them differently. It's, I support woman. I support woman. I am a woman. I support woman. What is the difference?

Okay. If you don't like it, don't sing your kid at the public school. Another crazy thing that happened to me this week. You want to know? Okay. I got this email. Have I, do I know about this one? No, you didn't. I saved it. I think the air conditioning is still out in this room. Do you feel that? No, it just shut off.

Why? Probably broken. Okay. Hi, Jordan. My name is Taylor. And first off, I just want to, want to say, oh, how much I admire what you're doing about. That's nice. I'm reaching out because I've heard you rave on several podcast episodes about the go-to cups from Merritt Coffee and how your research led to you to discover their manufactured by graphic packaging. Well, you're in luck. My dad is

actually the director of procurement at graphic packaging. No way. And the story gets even better. Growing up, he always brought home paper products from work, plates, napkins, especially the paper coffee cups, yadda, yada. Drinking coffee from those cups, she's a real one, she gets it. Drinking coffee from those cups became part of his daily routine and honestly part of his personality to the point that it's now a running joke in the family. I get this man. You should just see Jordan with his little teacups. It's his personality too.

Long story short, she's going to wave the MOQ of 100,000 cups and get us cups printed for the lakehouse. Stop. Dreams do come true. That is so sweet. and what are you going to put on the cups? The Ramtucket. Yes. Ramirez Ramtucket.

I need to follow up with that graphic designer. Yeah, so I won. Yeah, no, I don't care. I won. We're not doing Ramirez Ranchita because that makes sense. So Ramtucket. So Nan tucket, Ramtucket. Oh.

Ramirez. You're smart. The ram tucket. You're just a genius. Our friend came with it, but I was going to take the credit. But then I was like, that's ungodly. What have you been learning this week? Honestly, not enough to share.

Like, I would actually know I've been reading a lot about Palantir, AI. What else was I learning about earlier? Liver King and Joe Rogan. Seeing of, like, females being mean to each other. Like when you get a male in a little too much testosterone, they go a little crazy too. Did you hear about liver king? I did hear about liver king. So he looks, he looks not well.

No. He for sure, he was on like, I think he was spending, what did that leaked email say? Like 13 grand a month on steroids. He for sure is off steroids because, and you can see it in his overall appearance. Yeah, you can see it. Is it come down really hard off of steroids? I think the come down is very hard because your body. is so like, what do I do with all of this now? Or maybe he's on too much, too many steroids.

Because I think the testosterone was really coming out the seeping through his pores. Yeah. So I think he really ran up. Can I tell what happened first? Sure. Okay. Thank you. So Liver King was arrested in Austin, which this is a little weird because he made a video threatening Joe Rogan saying he wanted to do like fight Joe Rogan like respectfully fight him. He was like, I don't know Jiu Tzu. You probably would like just demolish me. But I want to fight you. And he was very aggressive in this video.

And he showed that he was like coming to Austin. And I guess like the police saw this video and reached out to Joe Rogan and Joe Rogan was like, yeah, this seems threatening. And then like arrested him when he was at the four seasons in Austin. it's weird that he just got arrested off of that one video. And also, number one. And number two, no offense,

but it kind of makes like Joe Rogan kind of seem like a list. Like he was just, it was just an Instagram video. And I watched it. And it wasn't like, he was like, he was like, I want to respectfully fight.

You probably would demolish me, but I'm coming for you. Let's fight. Like, let me ask you one question. Have you watched his other videos before that? Like in general? Yeah,

just like of him. call it the past two weeks. Like, have you watched what else he's been posting? No. He's very unwell. Oh, okay, okay. Like, he's very, very unwell, like, off his rockers. Yeah.

But, like, I would say Justin Bieber is too, and he's not getting arrested. But he's also not flying to other cities saying, I'm going to fight you and holding, like, weapons. Oh, he was holding weapons? Yeah. Like, he was arrested with, like, will you look this up? Yeah, he was, like, arrested. He was, like, holding guns, like, not.

Yeah, like. Oh, okay. I didn't know about the guns and a knife. Yeah, this is a very different. Just open up your phone. I don't know. Justin Bieber is smoking weed next to his child. I kind of feel like that.

But I think that this guy's like on like meth. Oh, you think it's like a hardcore drug. So my theory, if you don't mind me sharing. Yeah, now that everybody knows what happened, go ahead. Because I, why don't you look at the videos and I'll explain you my theory. Okay. So. What?

Uh-oh. Tech check. He was seen with a two short barrel AR-fiffic. 15 style rifles. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I didn't know about that part. Yeah.

Yeah, this guy needs to be in jail. He got a, he got a class B misdemeanor, which is the only thing I have to say about that, don't I have a class B that misdemeanor? Is it M.C.? Is it what kind of class that we're talking about with that one?

I mean, what do Livert King and Danny Austin have in common? We both have misdemeanors now. So I would say this. You can clip that for the... what I would say is that he roided up pretty hardcore at the height of his fame. And if you watch his documentary, we've already talked about this on another podcast, but to refresh, he had a group of people who he was not a content creator. He was very uncomfortable on camera. And he talks about in the documentary how this film crew basically blew him up by him doing outrageous things. Okay.

So he was never the one actually creating the content. But a whole brand was built around him. Okay. So I really want you to think about this from like your perspective, Danny. So a whole team comes around and he gets used to all of this fame. He says in the documentary, this fame was like hits of cocaine every time. So he starts to learn and his brain starts to rewire around the fame and the dopamine rush that comes with fame. Okay. So then documentary comes out. He falls from grace because he is found out to be on steroids. He's now, if you watch his videos, he's like crawling around the four seasons Austin. He's trying, it's so sad because he's trying to be the liver king and get back what he

lost. And when what happens, I think, to like the brain that's rewired when you get that much rush of a dopamine from like being on stage or, you know, creating content. Like I think this is what happened with Justin Bieber too. He's like searching for that rush again. He's off steroid. So his mind is like probably diminishing. You don't know if he's off steroids.

You can tell that he's off steroids because if you see like his skin is starting to sag, he's lost a ton of mass. Do you see all that? His face, his face looks like really, really messed up. Yeah, his face looks droopy. So my theory is that like he, it's so sad because he's trying to kind of revive what he was, but he's trying to do it like himself. And it's coming across so bad. And so he probably flew to. Austin and was like, I'm going to get so many clicks off of like fighting Joe Rogan. But he lost his content creator so he doesn't natively get the internet. His wife is like filming all this stuff. Oh, she's with him? Yeah, she's with him. In Austin. Yeah, she was with him in the videos. I think his sons were there too. No. And so like it's like a story. It's such a sad story because it's a

story of like someone who saw the mountaintop like is trying to climb back up on their own. And I would put it past like, like a lot of the internet thinks he's on like meth because he's got like all these like crazy like welts and cuts on his face. Yes, he does kind of, okay, I understand now. And it's just so sad because it's like a pretty classic story arc of like the rise and fall. And he's just at that stage in the fall where instead of like giving it up and like finding sobriety and like, you know, finding peace and accepting the fact that like he experienced it and it wasn't all that it chocked up to be, he's still, like, fighting to get it back. And so the reason I think he's on hardcore drugs is because I don't think getting off steroids

would make you do something as crazy as, like, show up with, like, AR-15s to, like, a city and threaten, like, a star. It's just a different nuance to what he's doing than what was happening before, and it's feeling a little bit drug-induced. So I said, I asked chat to PD, is it hard to get off steroids. Yes, it can be hard to get off steroids, especially if you've been on them for a long time at high doses. It hurts your physical dependence. Your body may reduce its natural production of hormones like cortisol when you're on, blah, blah, leading to withdrawal symptoms when you stop. Stopping can also lead to hormonal imbalances, low testosterone, other symptoms. Withdrawal symptoms, weakness, body, joint pain, depression, mood swings, nausea, vomiting, you need to taper. And some people

experience psychological dependence, especially with anabolic steroids, where they may fear losing muscle mass or performance. It's so sad. I feel for him, but I hope he makes a comeback and like not come back to like being the liver king, but just come back mentally. Yeah. You know. It's so sad.

I feel for his family. That's weird that they were filming though. Yeah. I mean, I think he's probably like guy, like there's probably financial. financial pressure in his family too because like he was making so much money they inflated their lifestyle and so now he's like I've got to make a liver king comeback and I feel so I don't know I just like praying for him yeah prayers up liver king praise for liver king but like no more guns no more threatening celebrities yeah that's not cool um let's see what else has been going on in the world let's start our

things that make you go hmm segment Jeff Beasie and Lauren Sanchez got married. So Jeff Bezos and Lauren, upcoming wedding in Venice is shaping up to be a spectacle. Equal parts, opulence, controversy, and internet fodder. On the bright side, it's expected to boost the local economy with A-list guests like Oprah and Kim Kardashian, descending on the historic city for a three-day celebration.

Where is the city? It doesn't say. Oh, did it say that? No. Venice. Three-day celebration in Venice featuring gourmet food, luxury gifts, and Bezos' $500 million yacht. But not everyone's cheering.

Locals have launched protests accusing the city of prioritizing billionaire that's a word I've never seen. Pageantry. Pageantry. Like a pageantry over public services and affordable housing. And then there's the invite.

It's gone viral for all the wrong reasons, mocked as Canva Corps with cheesy doves and clip art gondolas, with environmentalists slamming the lavishness as tone deaf in a world facing climate and economic crisis. The wedding is more than just a party. It's a symbol of everything people love and loathe about modern billionaire culture. What do you think?

I think 500 million for a boat is crazy. He owns it. No, I know, but like how do you even... That has nothing to do with the wedding. I mean, besides the fact that... Can we contemplate $500 million boat? I really can't, though. It's like, that's crazy.

crazy, right? Yeah, because like a really expensive house in Highland Park is like 20 million. Yeah. And then you have like a $500 million. It's like, yeah, I can't. Because like you would buy a company for $500 million like road. Yeah. And he's just like, okay, I'll sell some stock and get a yacht for $500 million. Yeah, but he also like came up with like Amazon. You know it's so crazy. So like it makes sense. But it's he paid $500 million. But then the cost of maintaining. that and the crew and the gas. But isn't he worth like hundreds of billions? No, that's a lot of billions. No, I think you're right. How much is Jeff Bezos worth?

I think he's like second. Babe, this is chomp change. Yeah, that's chump change. This is chump change. Chomp change. Think about how many Amazon packages we get in a day. Here's the question. And they multiply that times the hundreds of millions.

Do you think that he did a pre-naut? Yeah, for sure. Can we Google that? Babe, duh. Like, are you kidding me? But you're a silly little boy. I don't know. She seems like a powerful woman.

Maybe she talked him out of it. She was like, this is love. Who is Lauren Sanchez? Like, I get like, that reports indicate that Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez have a prenuptial agreement in place. Yeah, duh. Duh.

She'd be Mrs. Amazon. But can you? He's like, I'm going to send you in space, baby. Don't you worry. She's like, I'm running. Who's your friends? Katie Perry, you want Katie to go? Okay.

She's like, I'm going to start running Amazon packages in the space. She's, uh, what is this real? She's, she was an American journalist and a licensed pilot and founder of Black Black Ops aviation. Yeah. Oh, she's like kind of a big deal. She's cool. That's insane.

Yeah. That's the thing about like really, really smart billionaires. They like marrying other smart people. You know, like Mark Zuckerberg, his wife, real smart girl. How do you know? They both met at what school did they go to? Harvard. Yeah, so like.

Yeah, smarties. Smarties. Smarties. They just hang out and just talk about smart people, things. I heard the greatest quote the other day, but I'm probably not going to get it right. Just try. You'll get it. Okay.

Hold on. I'm like so close to it. Google it and then, and then, okay. dumb minds sit around talking about other people. Good minds sit around talking about that's the part where I forgot. Great minds sit around talking about ideas. Okay, let's see.

Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. Thank you. And it was. Oh, wait. Was it a former president? It was Eleanor Roosevelt.

It was Roosevelt. So I love that lady. She got women in the White House for journalism. Supporting woman. Supporting woman. I love supporting woman out there. So that's a, honestly, that checks out. That checks out.

Dumb? Although. Is it dumb minds? Or that's a strong word. Was it, or of it? Small minds. Okay, I should say. Like, dumb minds.

It's great minds, average minds, and then small minds. Okay, so great minds sit around talking about, but I thought it was vice versa. I thought it was like small minds sit around talking about other people. Average mind talk about events. Talk about events. Great minds talk about ideas. It's so true. It checks out.

Although, I will say, when I'm very active on Twitter and I really know what's going on in the world, you've told me this. You've given me this feedback. It's kind of the best party trick because you never don't have something to talk about. I know. So I don't think it's like. an average mind that can talk about what's going on in the world. I feel like it's like a greater mind. Like people it's a good party trick. Does that make sense? To understand the events

going on in the world? Yeah. Yeah. Like like whenever I'm well informed and how like can talk about things like I feel, um, I feel it's it's somewhat of a sign of a great mind because I, I've noticed in conversation like it's, it's more fun to talk to people who know what's going on. I know. I've been trying so hard to like know what's going on. Yeah, but Danny's so funny because she gets all of her news from comedians. No, I don't. Theo Vaughn. First of all, I get them from the interviews he has.

Yeah, no, no, that's what I'm saying. With like congressmen. So Theo Vaughn, who's your podcast rotation? I've been listening to a lot of Russell Brand interviews. Because, I mean, he's a little out there for me. But I like that he incorporates like scripture into it. Yeah. Theovan, I mean, I've been listening to Candace Owens.

I know. She's a little out there for me. She goes a little extreme and sometimes she's kind of mean and I don't really like that. But, but I mean, she has good people on. And you also listen to Don Lemon. Yeah. She's very well versed. She's across the whole spectrum.

I listen to, um, oh my God. Sorry, gosh. I didn't need to say your name of pain. Forgive me. You've also been cussing a lot lately on the pod. I know. But you only cuss on the pod. I know, but I kind of like it.

I think it's so funny. I think it's because she watched. the Alex Cooper documentary. What? I'm joking. I cussed before the Alec Cooper and I shouldn't be cussing. Yeah. But sometimes there's just no other word to express what I'm feeling.

What are you feeling? I totally get it. And sometimes I do think it is kind of funny. But anyway. That's the slippery slope. That's how it starts. I know. It starts as a joke and then you're crass.

I typically don't say any other word but shit. That's true. I never say the F word. Do I? No. Never. No. That's like.

tacky to me. Never. Never. So is shit. But like just sometimes I just know what I just want to say. I'm shut the little front. You're like it gives me a little edge. You're just a little. It's like having a tattoo, you know?

Yeah. It's like I love Jesus, but I shit a little, you know? But I've got this union tattoo. But, um, oh, okay. There is a phenomenal podcast. Have you all heard the podcast? It's probably like one of the top three podcasts in the world. I think it is.

She's like, call her. Daddy. I'm like, have you rid of Joe Rogan? No. He's this brilliant mind. He's like so cool. No. Modern Wisdom. I don't, I've never heard of it. Guys, this podcast, there is an episode with Dr. Amen. Is that you say? It is so good. It's one of the best episodes I've ever listened to in my life. Let me, first of all, this modern wisdom. This is what's so crazy about this guy. I think his name is Chris William or Chris Williams. He kind of has like two first names. So you don't know if you can trust the guy. But then, so it's called Modern Wisdom with Chris Williamson.

And he does episodes, I think every other day. And he has all different types of guests. But the episode 958 with Dr. Daniel Amon, the 11 risk factors that are destroying your brain is a phenomenal episode. Well, tell us about it, Danny Austin. You know, I don't really remember anything from it. But I remember thinking this is the. best episode I've ever listened to. And I learned so much about my brain. And it talks about all different

types of things like parenting, substance abuse, mental health. Like, it just talks about everything and he makes it so interesting. But this podcast is phenomenal. Like, because they, you can learn about anything, anything that you want to learn about. He has it on here. The Secret to Becoming a Confident Speaker. I listened to that before I gave my speech. Wow. You know that? He crushed it. No, I really did. Let's see. How to not let your past define you.

Let's see. A masterclass in storytelling. The downfall of CrossFit. How to actually build discipline. How to break free from chronic anxiety. A lot of this sounds like, but he has a lot of, oh, how modern parenting got it all wrong. Like just some really great topics.

So anyway, you all should go listen to it. And what's so nice is you can just kind of scroll and find something that is relevant to you. So funny. That's what people say about D-influence too. You can find it all. Any topic you want. Anything you want.

We talk about it. Why modern women feel more lost than ever? Whitewater woman. Did I say? I said women. People are going to like, for the 0.001% of people that just cannot get over that you can't get this right, they're going to be like, she's doing this despite me. She can't be serious.

It's like pillow or pillow. Pellow or pillow. It's simpler than that. No, it's a woman or woman. This is a little bit bigger than the like the crayon crown conversation. It's not though. It's a pillow. There's no one's really, no one I've met has this struggle with women like you do.

The thing is, is that our old podcast producer, J.D. He used to like, he would like stop the recording, be like, Danny, it's women. And I'm like, I'd be like, whammon. And I'd be like, whamon, woman, woman, woman. And then I'd require that like, so woman. I cannot get it right. I will never change. It's just like, it's like I learned how to swing when I was three years old and I'll never change my swing.

Oh, my gosh. Anyway, speaking of pronunciations, is the ketchup, is it Heinz? Heinz? Or Haints? Now you're just, now you're being, you're being a troll. I'm just beating you. Heinz to stop using food dye. Hmm.

Heinz has announced it will stop using artificial food dyes in some of its popular products. This move is part of a broader industry trend responding to growing consumer demand for simpler, more natural ingredients. Specifically, Heinz plans to eliminate artificial dyes from products like its ketchup and other condiments in certain markets. Ooh, what colors are going to move? I know. like the brown. Like, yeah,

what's... This decision reflects increasing health and transparency concerns among consumers especially regarding

additives and food. My only question is does anybody remember the glow-in-the-dark ketchup? I mean, that could not have been good for us. Do you remember that?

It was glow-in-the-dark. It was like neon... They had neon... Wasn't there like a purple one too? At one point... Yeah. Oh! It's disgusting.

What other brands do you want to see changed their approach as a new found Maha mama. I'm going to be honest. I think this could destroy their business. I think if I look at like light brown ketchup, it's the same thing like when you changed it green, I'm like gross. That red ketchup. They perfected that shade of red. It's where I just like want it. And I think that this could destroy it. No, because if you think about it like primal kitchen has a ketchup and the thing about it that I actually do. And the thing about it that I actually don't like. It's not the color of it because it is a deeper red. It's like the texture of it.

So if they just keep the texture good, this will be so interesting. I can't wait. It's going to take like 10 years. Have you ever tasted the primal kitchen? Is it good? I could definitely get used to it, but it's not, it's not, it's not no hints. Right. Wait, I think Whole Foods has a like all natural one. My stepmom switched us out when I was in high school. I was who used to. Yeah. And it like now I can't eat Heinz. It's too sugary. It is interesting. Like once you, once you, once you, once you, once you, Once you get your body away from like all this stuff, it's, it's funny how you'd stop craving it. And it actually becomes kind of gross.

No, for sure. For sure. Like popsicles, like popsicles that are not natural fruits is, it's disgusting to me. Like those kids, those like better parents than us that like don't let their kids eat sugar. And they're, like, if you offer their kids like a cookie, they'll be like, no. They're like, first of all, my mom said no. and taking them all like, mom, can I have the real stuff? Which kudos to those parents.

Like, that's hard. Babe, we are those parents, okay? Oh, sure. Yeah. Okay. It's pirate booty. That's, that's okay. You know, it's not great.

It's not great. No. Oh, I thought we were doing good job there. No. It's like better, but it's not great. Oh. Like Taylor Diggs wouldn't give it to her kids. That's okay.

Yeah, that's good. He's good. He's your baby steps. Um, okay. Topic three. Something that makes you go, Hmm. Sabrina Carpenter potentially have no

To potentially have no phones at her concerts Can I just say Sabrina Carpenter just loves to push that little line She's just like She scares me a little bit She's so little And I'm like she's so Little and just like

Little and she just She just like does things that are not good And she's little when she does Sure yeah You know there's just something about it there It's really like irks me a little bit. Yeah, I don't follow her that closely.

Is she, I think I asked this last week. I mean, I think she's under five feet. She's like five feet, yeah. I think she's like four something. Oh, you would never know. Little angry people are way scarier than big. Does she really scares me? And like, you know, I don't know, but she, I'm just going to say it.

I don't think she's a good role model. There, I said it. Okay. Because she's little? She's exactly five feet. Not because she's little. No, because here's the thing. If she was a good role model, I'd be like, she's so freaking cute and little.

But she's like a bad role model and little. And that just really is not okay. It's not okay with me. I just, I don't like that at all. Sorry. That's really not okay with me. Because I think what's so scary about it is like you want to squeeze her cheeks and like you want to cuddle her and you want to love her because she's just so little and you just want to be like

cute little thing but then she's such a bad little thing like you know you know what I mean it's like a child it's like a child and like you're like hi little dude and they're like I wasn't expecting that that's why it scares me yeah does that make sense she looks so sweet she's not oh man I can't even picture her she's just like picture like the cutest little baby doll with blonde blonde hair and big blue eyes and then just fangs coming out. Let me see. What's her name? Sabrina Carpenter.

It shouldn't be allowed to be that cute and bad. Yeah, you wouldn't think she's little. No, you wouldn't think she's little. You wouldn't. Look at her compared to Taylor Swift. There's a picture of her in Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift is like 5-11. I feel like people forget that.

Sabrina Carpenter, Taylor Swift. It's hilarious. Yeah, wait, hold on. You don't know with this one? Right here? No, because she's wearing, babe, she's wearing huge heels there. She's, you have to find her when she's not wearing heels. They must have taken off.

I mean, there's this one. Like, boom. That's crazy. Yeah, anyway. Sorry. You don't need to be anything. So, anyway, my point with that was, um, anyway. I just feel like that is not somebody

who would want Stella to be listening to or watching. That's what I was saying. That's kind of mean. But it's true. I'm sorry. I was just, I'm being mean right now. Yeah.

But it's okay. The espresso singer Sabrina Carvinder recently opened up about possibly banning phones at her concerts in the future. The idea comes from, comes after the singer attended a phone-free silk sonic show in Vegas. She said it was the most present and connected she's ever fell at a concert, and it left a big impression on her. While she knows it might upset fans, she's open to the idea,

especially later in her career, joking that she might not want fans zooming in on her when she's older. Sabrina emphasized that while capturing memories is fine, being fully immersed in the live experience is even better. Is this something you can get behind? Absolutely not. Because... Because she's so little. I would never do this because remember that time that we almost got broken into,

when we were at, um, the comedy show. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Who was that? Um, well, our babysitter called us and said, but what show were we at? Oh, Theo Vaughan. We were at Theobon and our babysitter, like, needed us. And during a, like, you need to have your phone. You need to have your phone.

Yeah. And, um, so that's all I'm going to say about that. Okay, let's wrap. Okay. You don't want to finish this last story, this last thing that makes you go, hmm? No. because I gotta go. Okay.

Well, people are really gonna miss out on Sydney's Bathwater Bliss and Ozzie Osbourne's liquid death cans of iced tea that he drank

and his spit is in. People really would like to know this story. But sorry, Jordan's got to go. I gotta go. Okay. Well, we are officially back.

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