De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - Taking a Trip to Tinfoil Hat Island

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

Guess what guys? We're back from our weekend getaway and BOY do we have a conspiracy spiral, indepth, thought provoking conversation for you.  We're talking about telepathy, spiritual warfare, the bible and so much more. Put your tinfoil hat on or don't you'll have to decide if you agree with Dani or agree with Jordan on this topic.  Try to keep an open mind, but let us know in the comments who's side you're on or if you have your own take on this, we want to hear it!  We hope you enjoy this episode and our tinfoil hat spiral. We scored some great deals with a few of our favorite brands for our listeners: Shop the best selection of home improvement online. Get renovating with Wayfair. Head to Wayfair.com right now. So whether you’re looking to plan a trip or build a business planning trips - visitforatravel.com/dani and let them know you came from DANI to learn what it means to travel, upgraded.  The Nanit baby monitor is changing parenthood for the better! It's the one baby item we can’t live without. And of course, we have a special offer just for our listeners! Get TWENTY PERCENT off your first order with code BABY20. That’s B-A-B-Y-20 at Nanit.com NOW! N-A-N-I-T.com. Nanit. Parenthood looks different here. Getting our baby dressed has never been easier than with Magnetic Me - trust us, you need to order these for your baby! Go to MagneticMe.com today - new customers will get 15% off their first order!! Today, Beekeeper's Naturals is offering you an exclusive offer: Go to beekeepersnaturals.com/DANI or enter code DANI to get 20% off your order. We've worked out a special deal with Hiya for their best selling children's vitamin. Receive 50% off your first order. To claim this deal you must go to hiyahealth.com/DANIAUSTIN. This deal is not available on their regular website. Make sure you’re subscribed to our official channel on YouTube, @deinfluencedpodcast, and follow us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your De-Influenced fix! Stay connected with us on Instagram and TikTok @deinfluencedpodcast, and as always thank you for being a part of this journey.  We'll see you next time! XOXO D+J Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. D-influenced. We are back. What a case of the Mondays. It's so bad. It really does. It just feels like a Monday.

It's like an extreme Monday, though. It's so funny watching the shift in your energy from Turks and Caicos, Danny to Monday, Danny. Oh, it's so painful. I know. To be honest, I don't really think it's because of Monday or because we're back home. Do you want to know what it really is? Always. It's this dang sunburn. Really? That bad.

Yeah. Like, it, I might have sun poisoning. It has taken the life out of me. Like, I am so uncomfortable at all times. Just like existing. Yeah. The pain? Yeah. It's really painful. And it's on my forehead, too. So it's just like this constant burn when I move my face. So that's why I haven't been talking a lot today. Because when I lift my eyebrows, I get hurts. And then so y'all, I tell Jordan, I do this like once a year where I just like to stare the sun in the face and say, you can't hurt me.

You can't hurt me. Get at me. And it's just like, and I am like the biggest proponent of sunscreen. Like I get so bad at Jordan because he doesn't wear sunscreen and he gets sunburned probably once a week. And it drives me insane. But there's just one day of the year where I just let myself fry. Like, you know, like, you just want to feel something. And it was the last day of Turks and Caicos.

And I was like, you know what? I want to put sunscreen on, but like, not till later, you know. And so I did. I put Sun Treen on later. I probably had been outside for like three hours. Let me tell you, it was three hours too late. Like, I got so somber on my back. in my face in particular, my forehead and my nose.

And it is so itchy and uncomfortable. I'm like overnighting aloe, camomile. Let's see, what else? A hydrocodone. No, hydrocodone. That's a pain pill. Hydro cortisol. It's a cortisone cream for itching.

I'm really scared. I'm scared for the next week of my life. I told Jordan, I woke up the day after the summer night. I felt like the same amount of like guilt and regret like in college when you woke up from like a night where you drink too much and blacked out. Like I felt that much guilt and shame. The next day I was like, what did I do to myself? Like I felt so horrible. I was, I'm so mad at myself.

So anyway. Don't the crunchy moms, aren't they off of sunscreen though? Yes, but they're for like wearing a hat or like being under an umbrella. They're not like, they're like, yes, get sun. but try to get morning sun where there's not such strong UVs. I got it. And, you know, get a little bit of I'm and D, but don't stare death in the face for three hours. Is your beef tallow working, helping?

So I'm so thankful I brought that because the night that it happened, any other cream or moisturizer or a lotion would have just killed me because of probably the fragrance that they have in it. And like, you know, fragrances are very drying. And so beef tallow, the only ingredient was beef tallow. And I mean, like, here's the thing about beef tallow. Mentally, it's hard for me because all I think of is cooking fries with beef tallow and then you're lathering it all over your body.

That would be like mentally, I know this is an exact parallel, but mentally I just imagine you like dipping your hands in like McDonald's grease and then putting on your body. Oh, see, that that's not mentally what's like what's actually happening is grosser than that, in my opinion. What is happening? This is the fat around the liver of a cow that they take off and they whip it into this texture and then you put it on your face. You can mix it with like essential oils or whatever you want to make it smell a certain way, but it doesn't smell great. But like the, my DMs have never popped off like so heavily when I brought a beef tallow as a moisture.

Like people are so opinionated and I would say it's like 70 30, like 70% are like Danny beef tallow. cream like change my life. Like I use it on my body at night. Use it on my face. My, my skin has never been more hydrated. It's the best thing ever did. And 30% people are like, Jeannie, that is not comodogenic. That's going to give you acne. That's going to. So I looked it up on the scale of like one to five being like one is very comodogenic and then sorry, non-comodogenic and then five. I can't remember like whatever. It's a two or three. Okay. So some people say it gives acne and then some people say it doesn't. So some people are like, oh my gosh, it'll clog your pores. It'll break you out. And then some are like, no, it's, it's so amazing for skincare because you don't want to use anything

that your skin's looking pretty good. That's the only thing that's confusing about it. It doesn't look like you caked cow liver on your face. The other problem with it is it's extremely greasy. So it's something that if you're going to use, I would only use at night. But it has like the fatty acids. in it, like, mimic the fatty acids in our skin sebum. And it has so many vitamins A, D, B12, like, E. So it's, it's very, like, rich in all of those needs. So it makes sense. But it also just doesn't smell great. But I just like, it's so hard because I'm, like, trying to make little changes. Like, don't get me wrong. Like, I am, I don't identify as a crunchy mom. I just don't. Like, I'm still eating Doritos. I ate them at the airport.

It's true. I saw, you know. I, like, still drink my Diet Coke. I still use a couple of Procter and Gamble products. I use draft baby laundry detergent. Like I know that's a really bad one. And so like I'm definitely not crunchy. But like when I can make the change and I like I might as well if I like the change. And it makes me feel good about myself. You know, so I was like, you know, I'm going to get into this Vitello thing. I don't know. I kind of like it. It makes sense to me. Yeah. It was harder for me to get on board with. But I'm going to try it. You know, I always use your products. I'm going to try it.

Yeah, just try that. It is, you're going to, you're going to hate it because, like, it's really hard to wash off your hands. Oh, yeah. It's, like, very greasy. I don't want things on my hands. Yeah. But so, yeah, I did them. I got into the beef tallow game for my sunburn.

It was actually great. We had, well, I told the lady, when we were packing up, we just got back from Teres and Caicos. And we were packing up. I was like, hey, listen, I really need some alabara. She's like, oh, yeah, I'll go get you some. she brings back the actual plant. Like, she was slicing it. Slicing it.

And I was like, oh, I'm going to need a lot of those slices covered this sunburn. But it felt amazing. Yeah. Have you ever used a real? She was putting it on your back. I know. I was like naked. Like, I was so desperate.

But yeah, so we went to Turks and Caicos. We went to a place called Parrot Key. Mm-hmm. Man, the beaches and Turks. Can be beat. That's why Drake loves it. Drake loves it. There's a lot of other celebrities that have houses in Parakeet.

They said Donna Karen. She had a house there. Bruce Willis. Bruce Willis. Laura Piano. Piana. Laura Piana. Designer.

Keith Richards. Oh, did they say Keith Richards? No, I looked it up. Who else? There's actually, wait, let me see. I'll actually because I was curious. Oh, apparently Justin Bieber has a house. Parrot Key.

Yeah. Deeps. Donna Karen, Laura Piana, Bruce Willis, Christy Brinkley, Oprah, but not in Parrot Key. Justin Bieber apparently has a house in Parrot Key. It's very, so the reason why I think a lot of celebrities like this area, which it's funny because the resort we stayed at is, like, it was the most beautiful beaches, but it's not like the most stunning facilities or anything. It's just like very like a normal place, you know.

But I think that people go for like just the beaches and the exclusivity and the privacy. Yeah. Because to get there, you have to take a boat to get there. It was very white lotus of us. You know, like you pulled up and they're all like just waiting to like greet you. And you're on this private island, very secluded. I mean, how many people do you think we're on the island total? I mean, at dinners there were like 15 people.

That's what I'm saying. It's like maybe 50 people total. Yeah. So it's like very, very private. But okay, so how much do you think the house is in parakeet costs? Oh, I asked them. 15 million. No.

You said, you said like 12 million and she like laughed at you. It was like, no, a lot more. 25. They're like 35 million on the water there. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, their insurance costs have got to be super high. I know, I know.

I wonder if you can even get insurance there. It's crazy. The hurricanes. Yeah. But man, it was quite the trip. Yeah, we had a great time. We brought a lot of get to know you cards. Like couples get to know you cards.

And it or maybe like better way to say is like prompting questions. It was a game on Amazon called Let's Get Deep. Yes. I highly recommend. We had so much fun. We didn't want to leave dinner. We were like, let's do, let's pull out another deck. They really got to know each other.

So this game had different levels of deepness. So it had icebreaker questions. It had deep questions, deeper questions, and then act questions. Yeah, activities. Activities, which are like kind of like, not truth or dares, but kind of. Yeah. It would be like, turn on your partner without touching them. Yeah, there were probably like, I counted. There were probably like 10, like, dirty ones. And then the rest were like, like. Play hide and seek. Yeah, like play hide and seek. Or like get your partner. their favorite fruit, you know, stuff like that. Which is so sweet. Yeah. Cute. So Jordan brought that game and surprised me with it, which was.

Is there anything that you learned about me that you didn't know before? That you think my curly hair is attractive? Yeah. Self-tanner curly hair. He said, because I go, the question was like, what turns you on? He was like, a fresh free tan and that curly hair. No, to that question, I said, really any nudity. It's like a man.

easy. He did, he did. No, it was, that question was, what's your favorite foreplay? And he goes, anything involving nudity? Yeah, yeah. That was funny. I, oh, and I told you that story about, you know, how I jumped the fence. Yes, yes, yes. It was like, the question was like, what's the bravest thing you've ever done? Tell him your story. I didn't know about this one. So I was living in East Austin. And it was, it was kind of like a shadier, like, apartment complex. I forgot. I was only living there for like two weeks for some reason. But East Austin used to be shady. Now it's like, yeah, now it's probably not. But at the time it was kind of shady. And I was walking around at like 11 p.m. because I would always go on late night walks, which is probably

also not really smart. In East Austin. Yeah, really not smart. Anyway, I was at this apartment complex and all of a sudden this huge guy gets out of his car and goes around and then just starts like beating his girlfriend. And I like went into fighter flight mode and I chose fight and I jumped over. I I jumped over this fence and he saw me jump over and then he kind of like calmed down. It was like, F this and like ran away. And I went to her. And I was like, are you okay? And she was like, I honestly think I remember her saying something like, I'm fine.

Like it's not a big deal. Like I made him mad. It was like my fault, which is common. And I called the cops and I would not leave. And I told the cops exactly where his apartment was. And then they like made me leave or whatever. So I left after that. Is there a baby car?

Well, you have three of them. Yeah. Likely. Anyway, the next morning, I wrote him a letter and left a Bible on his car. Oh, my God. I didn't know I was dating like a religious Superman over here. I used to do stuff like that all the time. No, I know.

I know you did like. You used to get mad at me. Guys, Jordan, when I first started dating him, he was chubby. Like, you were chubby, like, cutie. Like cutie patootie. I loved you so much. Fat Jordan. You call it fat Jordan.

I call it chubby. Yeah. And he was so cute. Like, but you guys, Jordan thought he had the body of Shaquille O'Neal. Like he literally was so confident. Like he, we would be walking down like DeBellum. Like this is, you know, six or seven years ago. And two guys would break out in an intense fight.

And Jordan would walk up and be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, guys. And like try to get in the middle. I know. I, for some reason, I was like, guys, cooler heads will prevail. And I really felt like it was my role to step into fights and be like, hey, guys, whoa, let's talk this out. And one day, one day he did that when I was with him, I go, Jordan, you're going to get his killed. Like, you're literally going to get us killed. Like, you do not belong in the middle of those two men. You don't even know what they're fighting over. Well, the point that you made was like, hey, you're actually making me unsafe and not protecting me by getting involved. And I was like, okay, you're right. No, because there was this one time where I actually got scared because you, he, like, wanted to interview. And I was like, Yeah, Deep Ellen. Yeah. I remember that they were like on the floor, like rolling out.

And I was like, I got this. Yeah, I was like, um, please no. No, you don't. This is before you worked out too. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, it's, it's a really sweet. It's coming from a very sweet place.

Right. But it's kind of like one of those scenes is like, you got a family now. I know. I got a family. You guys take care of us. But I do feel like we, we had so much fun together. I know that was the purpose of the trip. Yeah.

But we were like best friends. I know. We're such good buddies. Best friends. We were just budding out. We were just budding. We woke up every morning. We were like, you know what?

I love you. And I was like, I love you too. I was like, oh, this is a great life. I was like, why do we ever fight? Yeah. I was like, can you believe two weeks ago we were fighting? That's so stupid. We're so stupid.

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That's F-O-R-A travel.com slash Danny and let them know you came from De-influence because great travel doesn't just happen. It's planned. But one of the things I learned about you was one of the things that you found most attractive about me was that I'm constantly like learning new things. Yeah. And I was so glad I learned that because I'm not going to lie. Like I learn a lot of things. And I go down some crazy rabbit holes.

And when I learned that that actually was something that you loved about me, I started opening up on the trip. So like every day I'd be like, Danny, like you're not going to believe the rabbit hole. I just went down. Yeah. And she'd be like, tell me. And then it turns out that Danny has very fierce opinions about all of my rabbit holes. And so it actually is like, if I introduce a rabbit hole into our marriage, we will talk about it. I think for like a week.

And so I just started like feeding these rabbit holes. And I was like, Danny, you want me to tell you about what I learned? And then she'd be like, that's so stupid. Like, yeah, yeah. And she would like, it like gives you something to chew on. And it's like a great bonding exercise for us. But anyway, the first one. Wait, before you go on into like the actual details of them, the one can I, I was thinking

about this other day. The only negative side of a person that loves to learn 24-7 is I feel like they are constantly being influenced in different directions where they learn so much that they end up contradicting themselves. Does that make sense? Yeah. Like it's kind of like whatever is like the flavor of the week like that. that month because it's like, like, you learn your influence in so many different ways that I feel like sometimes you lose yourself because you're like, I believe this, but you don't really believe that. You just read it and you believe whatever you just read. Whatever you read most recent is what you believe. See, I don't think that all the rabbit holes I go down, even like the conspiracy

theories I present on this podcast, I don't know. I'm not really like presenting them like I totally 100% have thought this out and I believe it. I love the curiosity and entertaining ideas. No, but because. But here's the thing. It's also because like the order by which you're learning because sometimes I feel like it's like information overload because so I think the reason why, which we'll get into the telepathy tapes, which is like basically Jordan came to dinner one night and was like, Danny, telepathy is real. And you're not going to believe this. There's this podcast that proves it.

And I was like, and he's like, you know how we've been talking about spiritual warfare? It's all tied together. And I'm like, because he was just learning about spiritual warfare, when he learns about telepathy, then you're influenced from what you had learned prior. Yeah. Okay. So now we can get into the telepathy tapes. Well, no, the point that I was trying to make, and I will say, I'll give you, I'll give you a plus one on this one.

When you lock me onto an island that is only accessible by boat and you give me Twitter, I did feel towards the end that I had a tent foil hat on. And if I had like a board, I was like connecting dots and I was like, look at the Grants. No, I'm not going to lie. You kind of scared me that one night. Oh, really? Yeah.

When you were telling, no, here's the thing. It was sun poisoning. I didn't know about the pot. I know this was before my sun poisoning. No, my. Oh, yours. I did know about the podcast. I didn't know about the telepathy taste.

I didn't know anything about any of this. But Jordan comes to dinner and he's like, Danny, telepathy is real. I didn't say that. No, Jordan, yes, you did. And you were like, and Danny, it's Godgiven. And these people are literally, it's a Godgiven like superpower. And these people are reading minds from all over the country and they meet in their minds at a place called The Hill. And then they read each other's minds and they read their mom's minds and they read everybody's minds.

And there's really just people reading the mind. Listen. Okay, this is going to divide the podcast listeners in 50-50. It's going to be the people who have listened to the podcast and they're going to be like, preach Jordan, like, yes, I listen to it too. And then the people who have no idea what you're talking about are going to be like, Danny's husband is losing his mind. You have to listen to the podcast.

I am listening to the podcast, but here's what I actually implore you to do. Before you listen to the podcast called the telepathy tapes, go pay. well, go pay $9.99 or try to get like the free version of the experiments that Kai Dickens is posting on the paywall, behind the paywall, the experiments that she's describing in the podcast. Because what she describes in the podcast and what you see in these visual experiments is not, they don't, they're not, they don't add up. I will, I will admit that. They are not the same. And so trust me, if I would have gone the other route, And listening to the podcast first, I know that I would probably be on the same. Like, I'd probably be like, yeah, double epithy is real.

Because I would have believed everything that she said. And she's very convincing. And I even believe that she believes what she's saying. Like, I don't, I don't know if she is. Well, okay. Can I explain what they are first? Yes. Okay.

Okay. So basically what happened is the rabbit hole I went down on this island was there had been a podcast that I had had saved called the telepathy. tapes. The telepathy tapes really went viral probably three weeks ago, but I just haven't gotten around to them. And they surpassed Joe Rogan, okay, as like number one. And they were charting. And so it has been a podcast viral sensation. And the telepathy tapes are basically this documentarian, Kai Dickens or Dickinson. Kai Dickens. She's a, she does documentaries. She basically was investigating this group of moms. And I don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure there are thousands of them who have, don't. Let me explain it first. Okay.

Who have nonverbal, non-functioning autistic children. Okay. So boys and girls, nonverbal, non-functioning. So she finds this group of moms and there's some in Georgia, there's some through the south. They're all over the U.S. And she starts meeting with them and investigating them. I don't think it's thousands just so you know. I'm like fact-checking you. And I just, when you say thousands, because you told me that at dinner, too. She says on the podcast that there are thousands. So anyway, I'm listening to the podcast and the podcast is pretty wild. I've only listened to three episodes, to be clear. Okay. So I have not listened to all of them. But basically the thesis that she goes in with is she goes in with immense skepticism. Her cinematographer is like an atheist. like doesn't believe this at all. And they start interviewing these families. And if you listen to the podcast, like you're not visualizing what's going on, but basically they start running all these experiments and you hear the kind of heartfelt stories of these moms who are like, I'm telling

you, I know this is crazy. But my son has these kind of supernatural or my daughter has these supernatural abilities to know what I am thinking and feeling. Okay. And so at first you start listening to the podcast and you're like, okay, you know, they're, they're, they're, they're, non-communicative. And so typically it's kind of like when, if you're blind, you're all of your other senses like become more powerful, right? So I'm just thinking, okay, these are just highly emotional EQ kids, right, who can understand what people are feeling and thinking. And then they start running all these experiments and they're explaining them over audio format. And it's like, you know, the statistic they share is they do all of these different like popsicle stick test. Tick,

where you have to match the colors, but they're blindfolded. They'll pull out uno cards, like, behind their back, and they will, like, guess and, you know, guess what the card is. They will, their, their moms will think of math problems, and they will know the answers. And the way that the nonverbal kids start communicating is via spelling. They call it spelling, right? And so spelling is, like, where they have either a chalkboard or an iPad or a keyboard or a keyboard. or a keyboard and they can start like actually communicating out. So one of the most powerful stories in the telepathy tapes is this one mom whose son is 17. She's working three jobs trying to keep up and like, you know, provide for her nonverbal autistic son.

And one day she introduces spelling. And in the spelling exercise, her son says, I'm in here. Because most of the medical community is written off these kids as like, medically gone. Like there's nothing that you can do. And they are, there's, there's no intelligence. There's nothing going on in there. And then what all these moms have found is like, oh my gosh, they know all these things about history. They're incredibly intelligent. They're incredibly smart, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So she goes into this and I'm a believer in that. I'm like, okay. Of course. I'm open minded. I'm like, okay, I don't, I do think that they, they obviously are highly

intelligent. I think that there's a language or communication barrier. And so if you give them the ability to communicate, these nonverbal autistic kids probably are in their own way super geniuses, right? But you said that they're reading minds. Right. So that's when in the documentary, she basically starts discovering that they start running all these like informal and then formal experiments about like, okay, are they really reading minds? And the only part that I got to, to be clear, is the cinematographer who was an atheist literally being like, whoa, like I think I need to believe in God now because of what they are witnessing. Do you remember that part in the series? So I tell Danny about this three episodes in. And here I am thinking like, okay, this is such a

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But I saw it in your eyes. You were like. Yeah, because I'm trying to be open minded. And I'm like, okay, well, you know, God does crazy things. And so I, I believe that God can't. And I hadn't listened to the podcast. I hadn't seen the videos. So, but you were like, you know, the videos are online. Like you can watch this. And so I was like, okay, I want to watch people. And everyone's talking about this. Like Joe Rogan's talking about it. Like everyone in the podcasting world. is talking about this. And I want to watch someone read someone's mind. Like, that's crazy. And so, um, and here's the thing. Like I, I, I am only talking about telepathy in this. Okay. Like, I don't want to, I don't know, um, well, I have a very close person in my life that has neurodevelopment, developmental, you know, uh, disorder. And, um, but I don't usually share that person on my stories or, but they're very, very close to me. And so I know, I know enough about this, but I don't want to speak for any moms and about the way that, you know, children, if they develop differently, how they should communicate. Like, I just want to disclaim that, like, I am just talking about

the telepathy, the fact that people can, other people, people in general, can read other people's minds. Okay. And so that part was the fishy thing to me, okay? And when you brought, you brought the faith aspect of it in, and that, I was like, I don't know, like, how I feel about this, like spiritually in my religion. And that's, that's where I was like, I think it's okay and I think it's healthy to be skeptical when religion is brought into the conversation. Can I pause? So before, like, I wasn't saying this is God given. So really what happens in the series is there, I think it's episode six. There's an episode six and it basically, brings up this concept of the hill. Okay. So the hill apparently is this thing that all of these nonverbal, non-functioning autistic kids, they all know about. It is apparently a, I don't know, I don't even know what to say, a spiritual experience where they all, like you can have kids in different zip codes and they all reference and know this concept of the hill. Okay. And the hill,

I wish I would have listened to the episode, but I guess there's an interviewer. And the interviewer asked the question, like, what is this concept of the hill that you're referring to to the autistic kid? Okay. The interviewer is non-faith-based, like, you know, just a researcher, just an interviewer. And this is not the director. And apparently the autistic kid goes, you know the hill. Why don't you explain it? And her face turns white.

This is how it's described in the episode. Her face turns white, and she had a dream 10 years prior about being on top of a hill, seeing Jesus and seeing all of these, I don't know if they were autistic, but all of these children around a hill. Okay. And so that is where the spiritual side of it came in. And I also, what's really crazy is I actually listened. There's a podcast called the Blurry Creatures Podcast. And it is a faith-based podcast, and it typically explores more like fringe topics, like, like, you know, they'll talk about aliens. They'll talk about Bigfoot.

I don't listen to the podcast. A lot of people have told me to listen to it, but I just don't because it's like a little too much for me, to be honest. But they interview this guy named Joe Franco, I think. He is a pastor at Highlands Church in Scottsdale. And this church particularly has a ministry that's been around for years and years and years that ministers to autistic families or the families of autistic children. So he really understands.

a lot of the gifts of autistic kids and the spiritual side of autistic kids. He goes on to this podcast and he says, listen, I went on this documentary. I went on the telepathy tapes and they wouldn't share the faith side of what I was sharing because Kai Dickens is not faith-based. She does not connect like Jesus and Christianity to what is happening in this. So I didn't just pull faith out of my butt, to be clear, like Joe Franco is the one who's like leading the charge and trying to connect the dots on like what is happening in this with it. And I want them to get, I want to get them on the podcast.

No, and I, I see what you're saying. I just want to say from, from when you told me about the fact that some people might be reading some other people's minds, um, I, there is a part of me that like, I'm like, okay, this could be true, but the only way that I will believe it is

if I feel like it came from the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit doesn't show up in your life unless you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Like the moment that you do that, you receive the Holy Spirit. And I do believe the Holy Spirit gives you gifts like healing or speaking in tongues or whatever. And maybe it was telepathy. Like I don't know. So there was a part of me that was open to that. But what I don't believe is when people have these gifts and they don't reference the Holy Spirit. Like to me, that makes it demonic. be honest. Like, I think that if people have those gifts, then it's coming from something not of God. And if it's not of God, then it's demonic. So if these people were saying, like, God is giving me these numbers or these answers or whatever and Jesus is big, I have a way more open mind than I just have telepathy. Like, but I think if, what episode are you on? Um, I'm on like, I just, I'll be a four. Okay. I think that when you get to like five and six, I think that there's a lot more. spirituality shared. But I'm saying that like the whole format, the whole environment, the whole everything about these episodes and even the experiments is not rooted in in like Jesus or the

Holy Spirit. Therefore like I don't think they're about like that's just not like when someone like prophesies or when you saw these like miracles or whatever in the butt whatever it's like people were like deep in prayer and in thanking Jesus and on their needs. and just in so much gratitude. And I truly believe if, like, God were to give us telepathy, we'd be praising him, not praising our daughters,

our children, our moms, our doctors. I think that it would be such like an overwhelming, supernatural gift that you'd be like, the number is 5, 2, 3, thank you, Jesus.

Like, I really believe that. And so that's where my skepticism comes from. I just, it would be such a supernatural thing that you wouldn't be able to deny where it came from. And it would be questionable from like the person that's just that's how I would think of it. But I think that I think we deny the supernatural every day.

Like I think the skepticism towards the supernatural is it happens every day. Like what can you give me? What do you mean? Like for example like you know, let's take the plane crash that I was almost on. Like I, you know, I could have said, oh, man, luck of the draw. And you did thank God. And you did think God. And we did think that. Right. But I could have easily, easily denied that there wasn't a more spiritual component to like why I wasn't on that airplane. But because you're a believer, babe, you have the Holy Spirit and therefore you received that

message. Now, somebody that wasn't a believer probably wouldn't have gotten that message. They'd have been like, coincidence. But you have the Holy Spirit living inside of you. Right. And so you just don't think that they do. Well, I don't know. I didn't hear. them talk about it. Right. So I guess... I just think whenever things are like, like, I mean, I'm not saying they do or they don't. I don't know. But I'm just saying that like, to me, it's dangerous to influence people that the supernatural is possible without it being God-given. But what about, what about, what about Joe Franco or Joe Franco, the pastor on the Blurry Creatures podcast, who is, you know, he basically made the case and he was very careful. He was kind of like, hey, I'm not speaking out against the

telepathy tapes, but like, you know, I definitely shared more from a faith-based perspective that they did not include in the telepathy tapes. I don't really care who Joe Franco is. Like, I would care what the Bible says about the Holy Spirit and miracles and what the Holy Spirit does. I don't really care what like another pastor is saying, to be honest. So, sorry, I hear you, but I'm trying to follow the point that you're making. I don't know. You ask me. Well, so yeah, I don't know where you were going with this. I'm just saying this is where my skepticism came from. Right.

But your skepticism was definitely like early on. I think you were open-minded at the dinner. And so what happened was Danny and I then went back to the room. And we, because they reference, oh, you need to watch the tapes on telepathy tapes.com or whatever. So we go to telepathy tapes.com. I'm not going to lie. The paywall was questionable. I was like, uh, okay.

like super weird like why are you making me pay to see these videos like I would have appreciated some type of messaging that was like hey we're raising money to shoot the documentary or something like that but it just straight up was a paywall and so we watched the tapes and you know you would think I mean Danny was like she was like Sherlock Holmes on these tapes I mean she was all over them she had a magnifying glass she was super zooming in and she was like, look at that hand. Look at that hand. And what your biggest problem was, and it really gets into a larger conversation on, what do they call it? So it's called Facilitated Communication and Rapid Method, Rapid Movement. Let me see. Rapid. Rapid. It's called RP. Yeah, it's called RPM. I remember them saying that. Hold on. Facilitated communication. and rapid prompting method. They're a controversial technique used to help nonverbal or minimally verbal individuals communicate by quickly presenting prompts and encouraging them to spell out words using a letterboard or keyboard.

So what it claims to do is use sensory prompts like tapping, speaking, or writing words to keep attention focused and help the individual point to letters or words. And then facilitated communication. has been discredited because the facilitator may unknowingly influence the answers. So basically, it's extremely controversial. And I don't really want to have an opinion on these two forms of communication. But it's important. So explain the, you don't have to take a side, but explain the controversy. The controversy is that with facilitated communication, for example, if you have someone that is trying to spell out a word that they're maybe reading from your mind. So let's just say

that someone's thinking of the word water bottle. Okay. So on the spelling board, it unknowingly, the facilitator, let's just say it's Jordan, is giving me little cues to stop at each letter. And those cues could be a blink. It could be a movement with his right hand. It could be the way that he's leaning with his body. It could be the way he's twitching his mouth. it's sometimes subconsciously that the facilitator doesn't even know that they're giving to the person who is receiving the word. And so that's why it's controversial because if you ask someone that's non-verbal a question, maybe they're just using the cues that they're getting from their facilitator to answer. Or maybe it's coming from within. I don't know. I don't, I don't know.

All I'm saying is when I watched the tapes, I saw the facilitator or the mom. in the videos signaling or touching the person who was receiving. And to me, that showed that it wasn't telepathy because they were communicating in nonverbal ways with touch or with movement. Does that make sense? And so, like, whether it's a way to communicate or not within, I don't know, but I'm just saying it, I don't believe it was telepathy. I think that there were cues that were given that made them.

stop on certain letters or certain numbers. Now, there were a couple of experiments where like someone is sitting across the room. And like the mom is sitting across the room and she writes the word house on a piece of paper and they spell it out together. And my thing there, she's she's verbally going. So she's like still not not communicating. Like they're still always communicating. Is that her or the kid? Both of them. They're both going back and forth. And here's a thing. We also don't know the context of the experiment. The experiments were very relaxed. There weren't a lot of controlled variables. So like, if I were to ask Stella right now, what starts with D? She would be like, Danny. Because she always goes, Danny Austin. Danny Austin. And when she sees, she's learning the like how to write her name. Right. now. And when she sees the word D, she goes, mommy, that's your letter. When she sees like the word C, she goes, crocodile because she knows C associates with crocodile. Like, there's, there's, like, there's nonverbal, there's like things that have happened in our, in our lives and in

her learning, like, career that would influence her to speak a certain way. So if I were to be like, Stella, read my mind, what am I thinking? And I write down, I'm like, it starts with the D. And then I read, she's going to be like, Danny. And then everybody's going to be like, oh, my sure, she's reading your mind. But it's like, no, just Stella and I both know that that's the word that starts with D? You know, so there were experiments like that that we just don't really know, like, the context of the experiment. And then the other thing that I just found really strange was the amount of jump cuts and the amount of, like, they had to change the frames so many times throughout the experiments that like just, it was just very,

like, to me, if I was trying to be as scientific as possible and gain credit. like the podcast communicates, I would go through lengths to like have my experiments be credible and and have controlled variables that show like consistently how this experiment is working in different environments and different scenarios where like different positioning. And I just the visual experiments did not build up to the credibility communicated through the podcast. Yeah, because the podcast. Yeah, the podcast does communicate, hey, like, this is crazy. Statistical significance would be 25% plus. These kids are doing it at 97% plus. So before you watch the videos, I will give you that. Before you watch the videos, you're like, oh my gosh, like, this is crazy. You know, like this is very, very statistically significant. But you get this depiction in your mind when you're listening to it that they're like doing it from different rooms. There's no touch involved. And then when you watch the videos, I, I, I,

do see your skepticism going the reverse. Like I listen to some of the audio and then I watch the videos and you just watch the videos and you were like, this is bullcrab. Well, and bullcrap sounds really like intense, but like a lot of the evidence also like there, a lot of it was anecdotal. Like a lot of it was just stories that you hear from. And here's the thing. Like if I don't know, but like if there's like a community of like, like, like, let's just say that reality TV show that we were like being, you know, like they were trying to film a reality TV show of like these influencers in Dallas. And once you hear that the show is

coming, you connect with that community and you start talking and you start like living, like inviting each other to birthday parties and you start getting in the same circles. And like I feel like that's also something that could have happened within this podcast. It's like everybody kind of hears of each other. And so then we all get on the same page. And then I haven't listened to the part. part about the hill. But like, it's just things like that that it's like, it's more like influenced through the community than it is telepathy. But I also think the reverse is true, especially in this day and age, we're so, it really is like, honestly, most of what is truth is coming from the ground up, not like the top down. Like it's not the medical

establishment being like, hey, like, this is what you should do. It's, it's more, it's more crowdsourced from communities of being like, hey, like, this thing is working for. me or this is not working from me. And so I just don't want to like the reason I'm so quick to not dismiss the wisdom of the crowds of the internet, like these moms who believe that their kids are telepathic is because I think that over the past three years, we've learned that, dang, I mean, there's a lot of things that were discredited that are like kind of true, you know? And so it just allows for me to approach things with a much more open mind, not like dismissive. Does that make sense?

Yeah, I just, yeah. I think my big question for you is like, so you popped off on Instagram stories about this. I want to know. I didn't pop off. I was just like, hey, this looks. No, yeah, sorry, not in a bad way. But you addressed it on Instagram stories. You started the conversation. Wisdom of the crowds of your DMs. Like, what was kind of the response in DMs? Was it very 50, 50, 50, like, people like, I believe this. 50 people like not or? It was so all over the place. I would say 30% hadn't heard of it. 33% hadn't heard of it. 33% listened to it totally believed it. And 33% no. And then there was like a 5% in there that was like, wow, like I listened to the podcast. I believed it. And now you're showing me this tapes. And like this is totally fake.

So 33% listened and watched and still believed? Yeah. And then 15% like just didn't believe. Okay. And then 5% were like, I listened and then I watched and now I'm out. Yeah. Okay. So. So people are like really wrestling with this. And I will tell you that Danny got an official response as the conversation starter. She got an official response from the telepathy tapes themselves. Wait, I just before you go into that, I just want to touch on something you just said because I'm like, so are you saying that you're just open minded about anything and everything? Yeah. Totally. Like to me, I'm just kind of like, I mean, what's what's the harm in, what's the harm in like listening? Oh, because like you can be influenced in such a scary way. Yeah. I mean, I guess. But I'm not saying listening. It's okay to listen. But like to be so open minded about everything.

I think it's like a process. It's like, you know, will I listen to a podcast about Bigfoot? Yeah, totally. Do I think Bigfoot is real? Like, no, not at all. Is it fun to like listen to crazy? George, do you listen to one podcast about Bigfoot and you would believe he's real? No, I think that's what you think about me. I think that that's what you think about me. And so let me ask you this, is part of your visceral reaction to this? Because, you know, like, Babe, I share a lot of funny things with you. A lot of kooky things. For some reason, this one's like really, it's been your mission for the past 48 hours. No, it's the telepathy part. Right. So I guess my question for you is like...

Like, that's a supernatural pseudoscience, like thing. Sure, sure. Why? I just don't understand why... Listen, you, since I shared it with you, you have... have sat me down probably twice. You have gone on your DMs. You have sat. You, you tried to, you said literally before this podcast, she draws out a spelling board. She tells me to put my, my hand on her leg. And she's like, okay, influence me to pick the three numbers. And I like,

try. And she's like, see. And I get it. You're, you're not angry. What are you? No, I'm not angry. Is this a justice thing? in your mind, this is a righteous endeavor to talk this down. And to me, I'm kind of just like, Danny, it's like not that serious. It's not that serious that we're saying that people can read people's minds. I'm saying we don't know. I go, let me finish the podcast. She's like, no, no, no, you need to tell me. Like, do you know? And I'm like, I don't know. Like, let me finish the podcast and I'll let you know. Probably not. But like, I'm not going to say yes or no. I don't know. I'll think about why it bothers me.

I think that that's what we need to get to is we need to get to like the thing underneath the thing. I just don't. Because Danny, I could come to you and I could be like, here, let me lay out a case for Bigfoot. And you'd be like, this is so silly. Like my husband's such a quirky dude. This one is like there's something about it. Can I be honest? I'm scared to be honest.

I think I know why. Go ahead. It feels like they're praying on week on week. people. Like the, like vulnerable moms. Who is praying? The documentarians? I don't know. Just the whole conversation. And like also, I just feel like it's a supernatural thing not rooted in faith. Therefore, like, it's something that I won't believe. Can I give you a counter theory? Uh-huh. Will you shake my hand that we're not going to fight about this? It's sweet. It's sensitive. It's in love to you. Yeah.

Danny grew up in a charismatic church. And one time, I've heard this story many times, I might, you're going to have to tell me. One time they locked Danny in, will you tell the story? They just locked me in a room in second grade and told us we weren't allowed to leave until we spoke in tongues. Yes. And I think that that's a funny story. It's a weird story. I think the spiritually significant side of that story is,

I think that in that moment you so desperately wanted to be able to receive the Lord and speak in tongues. And I think in that moment, you felt an abundant amount of shame and guilt that you couldn't receive the Lord and speak in tongues like other people. I think that that childhood trauma is activated here when it comes to this supernatural gift. that these kids could or could not be experiencing. And I feel like your sense of justice on that is you are actually protecting little Danny who was locked into that room and who felt shame and guilt put onto her by humans that she was not able to experience that supernatural gift. I don't know if it's like exactly, but I feel like the two are somehow connected.

And the only reason I feel that is because you have been Sherlock Holmes for the past 48 hours to talk this down. Yeah. And it's not about the telepathy. It's not about. No, it is for me. I think you think that. No, it's about the telepathy. Okay.

It just feels so wrong that they're like, I don't know. And see, here's my perspective. My perspective is, so there's, there's, there's. Supernatural things that happen that I do think that you and I are typically on the same page about that we're like, that is like demonic. That is no good. No point out. For me in the era that I'm in right now, let me change gears for just a second. So I went to this new therapist.

It's going to sound random, but I'll round it out. I went to this new therapist and she was recommended by our marriage counselors. and I don't know how. I mean, we ended up talking about like, you know, we were talking about a lot of things, you know, and we started talking about like spiritual warfare. I just was like curious. She's a believer, believer. And, you know, she was talking about how like the kind of links between psychiatry and psychology

and therapy and spiritual warfare and where's the start? Where's the stop? We were just having that conversation. She was telling me the story. She was like, yeah, you know, one time I, I was doing brain spotting with someone in an addiction clinic. And she was like, you know, brain spotting is like where they have you like hooked up. And they're like scanning your brain as like you're doing sounds.

And like they're trying to monitor like what's going on your head. And she was like, it was crazy because I saw like we all in the room felt this presence enter the room, which could not be described as anything other than just like evil. and she was like, I actually saw it on the brain spotting. She didn't say it was a demon. She was just like, yes, I saw this interaction. And anyway, she told me, I was like, oh, man, that's so interesting. And she was like, it's really interesting.

You should listen to this podcast. And I'm going to look it up called, I think everyone should listen to it, the place we find ourselves by Adam Young. So Adam Young is a therapist who's also a believer. And he has this six-part series on, He has a six-part series on spiritual warfare. If you scroll back to April or sorry, yeah, like April, July 1, 2019 is when the first part is. And I listened to the six-part series, and, you know, he just talks about how like the collision of spiritual warfare, good versus evil.

And the case that he makes, like, as a believer, is, like, biblically speaking, we are in a state in history where we are at war. So Jesus has already reclaimed the throne. But every day, this is kind of like the natural world is kind of like Satan's land. You know, it's like, so every single day, there are, there is a war going on in the spiritual realm of good versus evil. Every movie personifies this. Every Catholic believes this. The Bible talks about it. The Bible talks about it.

And so we believe that. We've felt that. We've experienced that. Well, it's since the fall of man. Right. But we're not, we're not writing that off. And he makes this big point that post-enlightenment era,

Protestants, not Catholics, Protestants stopped believing in evil. There's this book I just ordered and it's called the death of Satan. And it's like this Jewish historian writing about how post-enlightment, like, Americans really just stopped believing that Satan or the devil was real. And we started like explaining things mostly through like natural causes. Oh, he's not, that's not demonic. They're schizophrenic. That's not this.

It's depression. It's depression. It's whatever. And so he's trying to kind of like merge the two. And it's been really enlightening to me. And so the reason I'm not saying, and I don't think it matters whether I believe the telepathy is right or like true or not, to me, I am in an era where I am genuinely choosing to believe that there is an active and present God and that that active and present God can do miracles in our lives and in the natural world. And I believe all that too. Whether this telepathy is part of that or not, I don't know.

The Hill stuff is really interesting to me. But I guess, so my question is because I agree with everything that you said, but I guess like wouldn't the best thing to do if we were confused about if telepathy or whatever is like, is to go, instead of listening to pastors or podcasts, is to go back to the word and back to scripture and try to figure out, what we actually believe from the word of God instead of like hearing what this guy says about or this book says about it or whatever because I just feel like that's where everybody gets so confused myself included. I'm not saying that like I'm doing this. You know, I mean, I have tried to

look up many scriptures and a lot about telepathy or like the supernatural. What if you replace telepathy with prophecy or like a different word? Like what if we're just getting caught up on the language? No, I know. And exactly. But that's where. the Holy Spirit comes into play. Right. That's where I, that's why I believe so strongly that these things can happen. I even believe that anything can happen, telepathy, whatever, with the Holy Spirit. And because that's what the scripture says.

And so sometimes I just feel like this overload of podcasts and books and commentary and TikToks and everybody's opinions and anything can happen. I think why I get so, I loved your theory about the speaking of tongues things, but I processed it while you were speaking, and I don't think that's true at all. I think the reason why I get so defensive or whatever is because it just feels like everybody's saying anything is possible, not anything goes without actually going back to the scriptures. And I just felt, I feel like, yes, anything is possible if God said so in the scriptures about like what he, the gifts that he gives us and what we receive. And that's why

I would totally believe these supernatural things that happened. But like I would want to know, like I always tell you, like if someone comes and prophesize over you, you're going to just instantly believe them. Like I think that's where God gives us the Holy Spirit to discern. And then we pray about it and we ask God, is this, is this the word that you want to give me? Like, do I have peace about this? Like confusion isn't of the Lord. Like all of these things. And like, that's why I would want to know these people that are reading minds. What's your prayer life? Like, what are you teaching your child? Like, are you giving, are you saying that your child is like a God? Or are you saying that God is giving them these talents? Like, what is like the heart and, you know, the message behind

and the point of all of this? And that's where I get, I get a little defensive and I get a little like, because I'm like, I just don't, I don't feel like this is being used the way that God would want this message to be used. But who are you to say? Well, I'm just saying what I've read from the scriptures. Yeah. I mean, I get it. I'm not saying anything that I believe. It's what like God says about the Holy Spirit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I think as we go, as we finish the, as we finish the series on the telepathy tapes, I think the first question people have to ask is like, is this real or is this bull crap? And if it's real, I think it's kind of the equivalent of like, if someone with the gift of prophecy, we know, like Jackie or else cleaner had had this gift of prophecy,

she knew stuff, guys. I'm telling you, it's crazy. Like, if she came to you and she was prayerfully prophesying over you, like, that is very different than going to a tarot card reader. Yeah. And so I think once you establish, is the telepathy real or not, you have to decide and discern, is it, is it demonic? or is it from the Lord? Yeah. I mean, demonic sounds really intense because, but the thing is, demonic sounds really evil,

but truthfully, like it, and the Bible talks about this, like, Satan is really just trying to deceive us. And sometimes he does it in a really, really beautiful,

what we think is a beautiful way. You know, like, because it's deceitful. So evil doesn't always look evil, if that makes sense. Sometimes it looks like, does that make sense?

Does that make sense? No, I'm 1,000% agree with you. It's like this new job opportunity that looks so sexy where you move out to California. And like maybe that's actually not from God. That's maybe from Satan. But it looks like this amazing opportunity that can be put. But it's really like pulling you out of community. It's pulling you away from your church.

It's pulling you away from your family. Maybe you're, I don't know. There's so many ways that the devil actually uses. That's the spiritual warfare side. Yes. Actually uses like it's just to. receive. And so I think that sometimes it can be wrapped in this beautiful mission that it's like helping all these very vulnerable people and vulnerable families, but it's actually just really

deceitful. And the reason why I get so skeptical is because it's not praising God. And I feel like if there was some like amazing revelation or something beautiful happening, like God would be given the glory in it. It doesn't make sense. And I think that's why miracles from God are so beautiful, because we all get on knees and we're like, oh my gosh, that was from God. And like, we are convicted about it because we're like, we know only God did that. You know, and then, and I think that's like also, like even the miracles that Jesus did in the Bible were like God given. And it's just so like it hits you like a ton of bricks and bricks and you just know. And that's where I just get, when my skepticism comes out, it's because of that. It's because I just don't feel the presence of me, personally, I don't feel like it's rooted in Jesus. But I think that's healthy to have some skepticism. And I'm not saying that I'm like right or wrong. Like I'm just, I just am questioning. And I would want, I just feel like there have been times in my life when someone has prophesied or they've spoken in tongues or they're slain. And like, you just know. And yes, I wish that God would

give me that gift. And maybe. he will and maybe I just need to exercise it more. And maybe I have the gift of prophecy and I just haven't used it yet. Like I don't, maybe I haven't surrendered enough. Maybe I don't have enough faith. Like I don't, I don't know. But the thing is, is like I do feel like God has given me discernment in moments when I've been skeptical. And it's been like something that it's like a piece that I've, that I've been given. And I think that when I don't have the peace, typically I'll go back to scripture like I have about telepathy. Like I really have. Like I've been like chat GPTing like, okay, tell me more about like the gifts of the spirit and like what is demonic and what is this.

And I'm like researching. I don't want to go to another podcast. I don't even want to go to a pastor. Like I want to go to the Bible because the Bible is the true word of God. And the way that I'm going to interpret it is going to give me peace about my convictions that God is giving me. I don't want to listen to some other podcast about it. Yeah, no, I get it. And just to be clear. So this really has nothing to do with, like, the telepathy tapes. This is more like about if telepathy is real.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, it's the thing underneath the thing. Yeah, because this is, this can't be, listen, that's what I've been getting at is like, I know you. Like, I'm like, okay, Danny, you watch six videos behind a $9.99 paywall. Like, I, this is about something more. Like you just let it go.

If you're like, if you're like, this is BS, it's why I would never. There's something deeper that is, and that's what I've been trying to figure out is like what is driving you. The tarot cards. The tarot cards. That's why I would never do those because sometimes like they end up being right. But like once again, I don't feel, are you annoyed with me? No, no, not at all.

I'm the, no, not at all. Finish your thought, not at all. You kind of give like a little. No, I was trying to think of my next question. Once again, they're just, it's something that I don't feel is rooted in the Holy Spirit. It's not like we're praying over the cards and saying, Jesus, give us a message, give us this. It's like some weird something that they're connecting with to predict your future. And I don't want that in my life.

So. And I want that influence. And I don't like the fact that people are saying that this can happen without the Holy Spirit. That's probably what bothers me. I think we've got to listen further because I'm. pretty sure it's like I think that these kids are saying like this is the Holy Spirit like you know we got to get further but um what this last question I have what what is giving you what is driving this this righteous force in you of like this is deceitful this is like tarot cards

like like I guess what is the what is the righteous cause that you're fighting for right now that these people, these moms are deceiving people through these telepathy tapes? Or is it the, is it at the director? I don't want to blame the moms. Like, please don't. No, no, no, no. We love moms here. Yeah, yeah, no, not the moms. But do you go, I'm asking you, like, what's the righteous endeavor you're after? Like, if you had a win, you can put your stake in the sand. Like, what is the point you're trying to make? Um, I think that, um, like, everything comes from God. Right.

Everything is like God given. It's not like, like, these things don't just like happen. And just so we can, like, if we ever talk about the telepathy tapes again, are you saying right now you are for sure that this is not from God? No. Um, I haven't listened to the whole telepathy tapes and I've never met these people.

So I, I don't know. I just think the way that it's being communicated, I haven't really heard that at all. And I'm on episode four and I like watched all the tapes and stuff. So if you have a question mark, you're like not saying yes, not saying no. From the videos on the 99 paywall, no, telepathy is not real in those videos. Right. I'm making like a stake.

But a lot of people were like, go listen to the podcast and then form your. From up to episode four, like I don't believe that what Kai is saying lines up with what happened in the video. So it makes me- It feels deceitful. It feels-deceitful sounds so wrong, but it made me lose trust in the validity of what she was saying. And so therefore, because I've already listened to four episodes, I'm not going to probably trust episode five, six or seven either. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?

Because there's been enough for me. that hasn't lined up with the videos that like it's just now I'm like I don't know what to believe so honest question answer honestly yeah what do you feel towards me being like I don't know like when I'm like I don't know I don't keep listening fear fear for me yeah okay that's great this is okay unpack that why what are you scared of it scares me that you can be influenced so like this. Okay. So, so you feel protective over me? Um, no, I don't feel protective. You feel fear and anger? No, no anger. Okay, just, just fearful. Just fear. Like you're going to lose your husband to a tinfoil hat? Yeah. Really? A little bit. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. It just feels

It feels like you've towed the line in the past. And I'm totally cool with it because I'm like, open mind, dude. Yeah, this could all be true, whatever. And then this one felt like crossing the line. But I'm not saying, yeah, telepathy's real. I'm like, I don't know. Yeah.

Okay. So you're fearful. Okay. That's, what a journey. Yeah. Wow. Now, this guys is why it is the number one podcast in the country right now. because boy does it spark some debate.

Yeah, it really does. It's crazy. It's been a while since I've seen this fire from you. What do you mean? This righteous anger. Not anger. This righteous, I don't know what even to call it, this endeavor. Yeah, I really shouldn't talk about my rabbit hole about the women of the 1920s.

Can I also say one other thing? I took this whole class in college about, like, how you make scientific experiments, like, basically real. And so there's just, like, a lot of that frustration also. But I'm like, you have these two insanely smart women. Dr. Powell, is that what her name is? That went to med school. I'm like, I just had one class, like, my junior year about scientific experiments. And the videos are janky a.F.

I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it's mine. It's, it's definitely, it's like, it's like below Bush League. The scientific rigor is lacking, let's just say. So that's like a whole other part of it. So in terms of the future of our opinions on the telepathy tapes, I did tell our producer that I wanted to get Joe Franco, who went on the Blurry Creatures podcast on, I think we should get Kai on at this point.

Are we just done? Are we going to end this journey? No, I mean, hey, we can always have a conversation. Or are we going to truly follow through with our purpose of this great God-given podcast called De-Inflienced and de-influenced the telepathy tapes? If you don't believe in like the Bible that it's the word of God or then you also are going

to think I'm crazy. So it's like conversation's always worth it. You know, because most. My point of view is rooted in that. Who would you rather talk to? Who would you want to talk to first from the project? I mean, I guess Kai. Or maybe one of the moms.

Yeah, one of the moms. Okay. We'll get that set up. Not Joe. Joe Rogan. No. Joe Franco or whatever. No.

Pastor. Okay. He was on my list. I mean, yeah, read John. Okay. You know what? That was our whole episode. Yeah. And yeah. What are you going to say? Um, yeah, I, I truly like the part where I haven't watched this part, but where someone said like, you know, I'm in here. Of course. I think every were alive, like you have a soul. No matter how you communicate or what like 100% like, yeah. Of course.

Preach, babe. Let's see if there was anything else on my list. I really do. I want to give a very, very heartfelt shout out to this podcast, the place we find ourselves. I really think it's an awesome podcast. Even beyond the spiritual warfare series, like I've been listening to it. They're like 20 to 30 minutes each. And if you are a Christian who also, you know, likes therapy talk, like it's one of the best I've ever found. I would like to have him on the podcast.

I want to give a shout out to my friend Janelle. Okay. So, well, okay, let me start from square one. We went to Turks and Caicos. We had a, let's see, we left Thursday. We came back on Sunday. And we left about the time that Summit had turned three months. And, you know, Jordan and I have had,

we've gone through a lot these past five or six months. And so it was a trip we like were actually I planned it for us. And it was like probably one of my favorite trips we've ever taken. Yeah. But it was crazy. I saw some like whenever we posted the reel, there were a lot of moms that were like, oh my gosh,

I can't believe she left her child at three months. Oh, really? Oh, I was totally insulated from that. Yeah. It had quite a few, a bunch of replies. And it was like, you know, some people were like, I agree. Like, it's so dangerous to communicate like this message that you should leave your, your three month old or your newborn.

Like that's so unnatural and dangerous and like a bad message to share to moms to, you know, put out there. And then some moms were like, hey, mind girl business. And, you know, I, it's crazy because I actually have. I knew that we were going to get this hate because we've made a tradition of this. Every time that one of our kids turns three months, we've taken a trip. Remember, we did Mexico and then we did Tulum, remember when I was postpartum. And then we did texting hate goes this time.

And I understand why people get so, like, offended over that. Because truthfully, I think that we all have such different postpartum experiences where some are like so attached to their babies for like so many different reasons, whether it's breastfeeding or hormones or just like naturally that's where you feel like you should be. And like I didn't really experience that with, to be honest, with my first or second because I had such bad postpartum depression that I always felt guilty that I wasn't that mom that was like, oh my gosh, I have to be holding my baby 24-7. Like I was okay with my baby sleeping in a different room. And I was okay with, you know, like I

loved them and cuddled them throughout the day, but I was okay with somebody else changing their diaper. And I always thought, oh my gosh, am I a bad mom for feeling that way? Or it's like, is this bad that like I want to take a trip when my baby's three months old and like be gone for two days? Like, and of course, like I told you, how many times did I tell you without the trip? I'm like, oh, I just miss something right now. I just want to be squeezing him. And I just like love him so much. I mean, I would die from my child. But I just wanted to give a shout out to any other moms out there that maybe don't like you're questioning your innate, I don't know, connection with your child. And it's not a connection because I feel so confident in my connection with Summit.

I actually have had the best connection with this child. But I just want to give a shout out to the moms that like maybe feel like they're doubting themselves too and like what to prioritize because it's really, really hard. It's really hard. and we all have different life circumstances. Some of us live where our parents live. So our parents can come and watch our kids. Some of us live where we can't have child care. And so, where we don't have like child care that we trust. And every scenario is so different. And so I think that we should like just like give all the moms so much grace and support them and all their

decisions. Also, people have no idea what we've gone through personally like in our marriage and our relationship. And we've talked a little bit about it on the podcast. But, unless you're one of us, like, you'll never really know. And I just hope that like for the moms that you have in your circles, like you're supporting them and you're like, yes, calling them out if they're doing something like actually dangerous. But I felt like so confident in our decision to take our trip and leave our kids with very trusted child care for for 48 hours that I would do it over and over and over again. And for me, I felt like taking care of our marriage. was priority over, you know, taking care of the kids at this exact moment for that, for that weekend, because I know for a fact that I can't be, we can't be like the parents, like the influences that we want to be unless we have like a healthy marriage, right? And our kids are going to leave us one day and then it's just going to be me and you again. And we have proven through Turks and Kekos that we are going to have fun still.

Yeah. And so, but I. wanted to give a I was like what does it have to do with Janelle? I wanted to give a shout out to Janelle too because the what I was thinking about through all of this is as moms um sorry like I'm kind of tried to connect this in a weird way but um mom just have so many like expectations put on them whether like you and I were talking about this at the airport whether it's like you have to be a working mom you have to be like a put together mom you have to be like a traditional mom but you also have to be a modern mom and there's just like so many things that you have to be on a daily basis. And it's just really, really hard. You feel like you're being pulled in so many different directions. And I think

something that I've really grown into is just like the boundaries that I'm setting as a mom. Like whether it's like a social event on a Wednesday where it's like dinner with the girls, which sounds amazing because you want to be a good friend when your mom too, right? You want to be all the things. You want to be a good friend. You want to have a ton of girlfriends. But I know for a fact, If I go to the social event on a Wednesday at 8 o'clock, I'm not going to go to bed until 10, 30, or 11. I have to get up with my son at 5 a.m, 6 a.m. Therefore, I'm not going to be the wife I want to be the next day because I'm going to be so tired.

So therefore, I'm not going to go to the event. I'm not going to be as close with my friends right now. But that's because I got to show up as the wife and the mom that I want to be right now. And it just, the boundaries that you set, sometimes you don't really want to do them, but you are doing them to prioritize like your family. And it's so hard because I want to attend all the baby showers and all the things. Like I missed a baby shower. One of my best friends baby showers this past weekend because we went to Turks and Kikos.

I literally almost canceled the trip because I was like, oh my gosh, I have to go to my best friend's baby shower. But we just can't do it at all. And I had to prioritize my marriage in that moment. And I think all my true friends, like, knew that. And it was okay. But shout out to Janelle because we invited like a bunch of our friends to our lake house this weekend. And she was like, hey, I. I fly in. I land at three. There's no, like, she said yes at first, but then you came back and said no.

Because she's like, then I have to go back home, repack my bags, go out to the lakehouse. I'm going to be so tired of it. And it was just like a boundary that she set. And I just wanted to like say like, Bravo for you. Like, I'm just like proud of my friends whenever they set boundaries and even like hanging out with each other. Like we don't get offended. I'm not like, oh my gosh, you're a terrible friend because you're not coming to our lake house for Easter. I'm like, good for you. Like for taking care. care of like what really needs to be taken care of. So I just also wanted to do like encourage any other moms out there that maybe feel like they're sitting boundaries that are kind of sad. Like maybe you're not getting your nails done this weekend. Maybe you're not going to the baby shower. Maybe you're skipping the party. Maybe you're not going to that wine night, whatever it is. And like going to bed early and taking care of your family. Sometimes it can be sad and feel lonely. But just want to say, we're here. We all relate. And I just wanted to encourage you. And good for you to know.

And for you, Danny. You've been doing amazing. Thank you. Love you, love you too. I'm obsessed with you. I'm just with you. Okay, let's have bye. Okay, bye, bye, bye, bye.

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