De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - The ONE Thing Alex Clark WON'T Give Up on Her Wellness Journey

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Happy Thursday De-Influencers! It's the episode so many of you have been waiting for, we are De-Influencing the host of health and wellness podcast Culture Apothecary, Alex Clark! Alex is sharing her journey from aspiring fashion writer to the MAHA movement. We're deep diving on the hate she gets, how she got into the health and wellness space and of course we're getting some of her unfiltered, hot takes! PLUS, Dani of course is getting the scoop on her love life. We scored some great deals with a few of our favorite brands for our listeners: Huggies Little Snugglers, now with blowout protection in every direction* *Sizes 1-2. Huggies. Huggies.com. Visit LiveConscious.com today and make the switch to a smarter sip with Beyond Brew. Use code DANI to receive 15% off. Go to www.vivrelle.com and apply for a membership today using code DANI for 30% off 1 month of membership - the code will also allow you to skip the Vivrelle waitlist. We've worked out a special deal with Hiya for their best selling children's vitamin. Receive 50% off your first order. To claim this deal you must go to hiyahealth.com/DANIAUSTIN. Go to shopminnow.com and enter code SHOPMINNOW15 at checkout to receive 15% off your first order. Go to Quince.com/dani for free shipping on your order and three hundred and sixty-five -day returns. Make sure you’re subscribed to our official channel on YouTube, @deinfluencedpodcast, and follow us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your De-Influenced fix! Stay connected with us on Instagram and TikTok @deinfluencedpodcast, and as always thank you for being a part of this journey.  Let us know in the comments what you thought about this episode and who we should have on next! We'll see you next time! we love y'all!! D+J

The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. D. Involence. All right, guys, we are back with a special guest today. Welcome to D. Influence where we peel back the created layers of the internet. And we figure out what's really going on. Today's guest is a voice that's making waves in both the wellness space and the cultural conversation, Alex Clark. Y'all, she's also, wait.

I forgot to say, she's also the host of culture apothecary. And we just did an episode over on her podcast. So you guys will have to go check it out as well. So I never, what I was saying, we had a technical difficulty. I never drink Diet Coke on this podcast. And I didn't even like think about we were going to be with Alex Clark. And I just grabbed it. And I was like, yeah, I need a little boost.

She sugared. What do you think about this? I'm being hazed. Help. No, I mean, look, if people ask my opinion, like if you want me to go through. your pantry and tell you everything, you know, that's right or wrong. I'm happy to do it. But also, like, I don't want to be that person. So with my friends and my family in real life, I try not to come after them unless they're wanting me to. Are they like this too? Are they, like,

all aboard the Alex Clark train? Or they? Some are, some aren't. Okay. I mean, my families, some are just getting started. Some are totally against. And then when it comes to my friends, I would say most of my friends are fully on board the train or they're like they're on the tracks now. So I'm doing a good job, you know, getting people into my cult. But there's levels, right? There's like there's levels to it. Yes. It's like you can be entry level, intermediate or like expert.

Yeah, you guys are going to be expert by the end of the year. We're definitely entry. We're, uh, no. Maybe like, no. Intermediate. I'm like, hide the Diet Coke. Intermediate. I get meat from a butcher shop.

That's true. That's true. We started cooking with beef tallow. That's great. We do that. I should have talked about that on your podcast. Well, that's okay. We're talking about it now.

Giving myself some legitimate, some street crad around here. What else do we do? Oh, we're like, we do the healthy SPF. In fact, did you hear about like the whole sunglasses thing? Like sunglasses aren't good for your eyes? Oh, I started the conversation. Oh, you did? Yes.

Yeah, sunglasses. No sunglasses. We interviewed this guy and the whole episode, it was so viral of this guy talking about how you've got to hack your circadian rhythm. You've got to be getting out for infrared light in the morning with sunrise within 30 minutes of waking up outside with the sunrise light. And you've got to be outside during the evening. And it will change your health and your life. We're really just going back to the basics.

It's kind of Garden of Eden vibes. I feel that way even clothes give you like clothes are not good for you different fabrics now. Like the plastics. Yeah, I'm going to tell you right now as non-toxic as I am. That's the last thing to go for me. I'm Alex Clark becomes nudist. You will. And I love.

For the benefit of her health. I love function. So it's like I'm not going to only be living in cotton and linen because I've got a lot of events and cool things that I want to dress cute. But there are things that I have totally changed over. Like all of my underwear is 100% organic cotton. Things like that that are important that are like next to like the most sensitive areas of your body. That's what I'm going to change.

But like, you know, I mean some things I wear, it happens to be natural fabrics, but I'm not trying to be strict on that. Do you get a lot of pressure? to be perfect in all of your wellness stuff. Like if you were eating like a twinkie, like would you get like blasted on TMZ? I would like, you know, I don't think I'm there yet as far as notoriety

or like TMZ would care. But like I think my audience would, I think they would have a funny response to that. I think my audience would be like, are you okay? Like are things going wrong? Like what's happening? Like something's not right.

Like they wouldn't come after me in a mean way, but it would be like genuine concern. Yeah. But you know what I like about everything that you talk about on your podcast and your platforms is you make it very approachable and you ask a lot of questions? It doesn't seem like you're lecturing at people. Well, thank you. I'm glad that you say that, Danny, because some of the people are like, Alex Clark

thinks she knows everything. She's an expert and try to tell everybody what you do. I'm like, since when? I genuinely barely talk. I mean, I'm asking the questions, but mostly it is, the spotlight is totally on my guest, on the experts, on the people that are on the show. It has nothing to do with me. because two years ago, two and a half years ago now, I was Dr. Pepper multiple times a day,

Chick-fil-A, four times a week. That was me last night. That was me. So I understand it. Like, I'm the last person to know everything. In fact, I feel like I know so little. Like when I am, I was just, okay, you brought up Gary Breca. So I just met him at the White House like two weeks ago.

That's a flex. I have never talked to him. And this man, he is the real deal. You know who else is the real deal? Paul Saladino. He brought raw milk into the White House, freaking hamburger patties. I mean,

he's on another level. Have you seen the viral video of Paul Saladino going through TSA with coconuts? Oh my gosh. So when I met Paul, I said, I want you to tell me right now. Is this just for content?

Yeah. That was content because it's funny and it's genius and it's such a high engagement. He's like, no, I genuinely do that. And I was like, you're joking me. Because I was crying,

laughing, reading the comments that were like roasting him for that. It was so clever and creative. It was genuinely funny. And I was like, no, wait. I mean, they are extreme. I know for a fact, Paul, once the sunsets,

the only light on in his house is red. I mean, he's really wild. Like, he will not date a girl that wears perfume or leggings. Question, question. Is he happy? You'd have to ask him. Now, I do know this. Paul wants a wife.

He more than anything, he wants a wife. That's his, like, number one thing when he's back in the United States. Wait, what about you? No. We're just to say. We're friends, but. Oh, man. That would be one. Healthy, genetically perfect.

Can you imagine? But the thing is, though, they wouldn't be because to Paul, he's, he is the actual, like, perfection level. I fall so short because I do wear makeup. It's not all non-toxic. I do wear fibers that aren't natural. You're a crazy girl. So, like, see, I'm, like, off the deep.

Oh, my gosh. But, like, but then to somebody, like, an average everyday American, I'm, like, so extreme. And all I'm saying, what you said was so important, Jordan, because you said, like, it seems like we're just getting back to basics. And that's so true. That's all it is. I am literally. advocating for and people act like I'm asking them to do quantum physics. And I'm like,

go outside and get sunlight and get good sleep and eat real food. It's really that simple. I posted a picture on my Instagram story this week of a before and after, which I've never done before, of like what I looked like in 2021 when I ate like that and what I look like now. And it looks like I've lost 10 pounds just in my face from inflammation. And I've always been the same size, but my face was so inflamed. And people are like, whoa, what did you do? What, what were you changing? diet where you on wherever. I go, I just stopped eating ultra-processed food. They're like, what do you mean? Like, well, what diet was? I go, I just stopped eating fake dead food. I stopped chick-fil-a multiple times a week. I stopped drinking Dr. Pepper. I mean, I learned how to cook

for the first time. I didn't know how to cook. Like, all of those things, I spent the time during the pandemic learning, and it totally changed my life. I didn't understand that 80% of the food in the grocery store wasn't real food. I'm like, it's a grocery store. It's food. No, it's almost none of it. I mean, so that was like really radicalizing for me as an American. What is like another huge change that you made in your life that you learned about that's impacted you the most? Oh my gosh. So I was on birth control for 10 years for absolutely no reason. No reason.

I was 14 or 15. I think the doctor, the pediatrician just said, do you have bad cramps? And I said, mm-hmm. Because we all did. Yes. And then, I mean, you and I are this exact same age same generation. it was just every single one of us, okay, take birth control, take birth control. It's too complicated to know how to track your cycle. That's too hard for you, even though we're all

women and this is one of the most crucial, important things that we could know for our life. It's too hard, don't worry about it. To be fair, Danny does forget every month. Well, there's a ask for that. I have to say, listen, I think you're not sad. You're just in your ludial face. It's just a moment. Yes, yeah. Sorry, knows my period, but I'm type B, that's why. Well, and so I didn't know, when I was going through the pandemic and I was learning all this about food and all this, part of that journey was also learning about big pharma. And so I had no idea that birth control was effectively poisoned. Now, me saying that, every single mainstream news outlet will be like, she's a radical Christian nationalist extremist. She's trying to, you know, keep women in the kitchen and chained up and all this is a handmaid's tail. No, actually, not at all. I am saying what liberal feminists in the 70s were really screaming the rooftops about, which was, what are you giving us? We're being experimented on here. They had been on birth control for 20 years. They had been brought into the United States in the 50s by Margaret Singer who invented and came up with Planned Parenthood.

She's the one who helped create birth control. She went to Puerto Rico. She experimented on Puerto Rican women. Some of them died. She then brought, she was like, well, I guess this is good enough. Brought it to the United States. All of these women started getting desperately ill. At the time in the 70s, there was no, there's like a giant. handout that comes from the birth control pill packet that has all of the different hundreds of side effects, that didn't exist in the 70s until these women were protesting. They went to the Senate hearing. It was called the Nelson pill hearings. And they were screaming at these senators saying like, hey, you need to do something about this.

We're all sick. There's something wrong. You're not telling us about the side effects of this pill. Whatever we've been on sucks. And they got kicked out of there. But then because of their voices, liberal feminists, not Christian conservatives, they were like, okay, we're going to start putting the side effects in the pill. They were the first person, they were the first people to ring the alarm on there is something that this is doing to women that is not right. Even though you're telling us this is going to totally improve your life, it's going to make you equal to men, you're going to be able to work and not have to worry about children and do all the things that men do.

The truth is men and women are different. And so we did that experiment for 50 years. We ran with that. And now what are we experiencing as women? We're more burnout than ever before. Our anxiety depression is through the roof. And I didn't know till starting to look into the pill that your rate for anxiety and depression is like quadrupled on the pill. And then what do they do?

Then they say, well, you need to get on Lexapro. I mean, so it's like this crazy cascade of interventions from the time we're 13, 14, 15 years old. You're put on this pharmaceutical treadmill. Then you're on the pill. It masks any type of hormonal symptoms that you're experiencing. So if you have PCOS, if you have endometriosis, you have these issues going on hormonally, you don't have the symptoms, which are your warnings on your body telling you something's wrong, get it fixed. And so then you become, you know, you get marriage, you're ready to have

children, and then you're like, oh, there's something wrong. I can't get pregnant. What's wrong with me? Well, you were on the pill for 10, 15 years and you had no idea that there was stuff going on that you needed to fix. So now you're having this, it's like a strange kind of pivot into this infertility crisis. Not that birth control directly causes infertility, but it's hiding symptoms that will cause infertility if they go undetected for too long. And so it's just this really, really sad state of affairs and then we're told oh well here's the magical solution another pharma solution we want you to spend 20 30,000 dollars on ibf i am angry the system needs to come down what's so crazy is Alex Clark is bringing it down with Gary Breka and Paul Sedina

we're de-influencing you on pharma i do have a quiet question what is your enneagram i already asked you that too it's a four i know everybody's mind is blown I could actually see that. No, you should retake it. I mean, it's absolutely correct. No, I think that's a- Melancholy. Yeah, yeah.

I don't see the eight challenger in you. I don't see you like, do you like love confrontation and all you want to do? Yeah, I don't see that. The four makes sense. I'm actually a three-wing four. So, yeah, I'm not as eloquent as you, but I kind of vibe with that. I get it. Yeah.

Okay. You guys still misunderstood a lot. Yes. Yeah, yeah. For sure. Back to the birth control conversation. Number one, the infertility. I was on the website. It was an American Cancer Society. And I was reading about birth control and how it's linked to breast cancer, which is like a known fact, like studies, like literally on the website is just like out there. Like I read it myself. And it was also saying if you were wanting to get pregnant to make sure that you don't take the pill longer than six years, six to seven years, which was so crazy that that's like public information. And then people are always, it seems like when I posted that on my stories, people didn't.

know about that. Like no one had ever told them like a doctor didn't tell them that. So ding, ding, ding, exactly right. I am not on a crusade to ban birth control. That's what a lot of, like, that's what NBC news will say about me. I'm not at all. I don't care if you want to take birth control. I want you to know all of the risk and side effects and then be able to make an informed decision on if you want to be on it or not. If you do, great. If you don't, you should be able to not. Like the problem is, is I wasn't given informed consent at 14 or 15 years old whenever I was put on the pill, almost. all women were not. And that every single time we would go back to the doctor every couple years, it was just like re-upping the prescription. Nobody was asking anything. And so, yeah, you've got

women walking around with completely depleted nutrients also contributing to like infertility issues. It seems like the goal, I would say my goal is just to stay away from pharmaceuticals as much as I can. Even though I am taking Lexapur right now, I would love to get off of it. I was listening to Gary Breka and he was talking about, there was an episode, because he used to work in life insurance, I think. Is that right? I have no idea. So, yeah, he used to work in life insurance,

and they found that the one correlation between, like, basically your lifespan and, like, when you would die, essentially was the amount of pharmaceuticals you were on. So it seemed like the goal from that was just like, so it was like basically the more pharmaceuticals you were taking, the more likely you were to die young. And so that includes, like, any type of drug. But it seems like the goal these days is just to stay away from it and find it's almost like now it's like we have all these symptoms, these issues. We go to the doctor. They give you a drug. And it's like now what I like about Taylor Dukes and what I like about what you're doing is kind of getting to the root of those issues. Is that right? Yes. That's exactly right. And you know what is really shocking is you know what the number one side effect of SSRIs are? Night sweats. That's what I get. Suicide and depression. The drug you're put on to help combat suicide.

ideation and depression anxiety can help skyrocket it. And honestly, like, it kind of adds up. I mean, just like anecdotally with like friends that I know, like they got off of it. And it was hard at first, but then it kind of like got better progressively over time. And they always kind of said the same things. Like I was on SSRIs too. And I was like, wait, I feel like I'm actually like more depressed. Yeah, I was on Lexa Pro for like two years.

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when I signed up to take it? This is what's criminal. This is why like you becoming friends with Taylor Dukes is so, I'm so glad because she will be able to tell you, especially because you guys live in both live in Dallas, like she'll be able to help you find like who the naturopass are, who the functional medicine doctors are that you need to be working with. And they're who are going to be able to help you. Well, she was mine and then she went full influence around me. She kicked you out. Taylor Duke's. Well, no, she, I think she closed her practice. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do more content. But she'll know. She'll know the people. Yeah, yeah. She knows. She's got it. Where are you from? I'm from Indiana. So I'm a Midwest girl at

heart, Southern Indiana, Louisville, Kentucky area. Where did you go to school? I dropped out of college when I was 18. I signed up to be an intern in morning radio and a month in at 18 years old. They were like, I think you're a star. We've never seen brought out like this. We think you should like completely change your career and like focus on broadcasting. So I did.

And it was terrifying. And I remember like, they were like, okay, we'll make a deal with you. Because my plan was to go to Columbia College of Chicago for. for fashion merchandising and journalism. I'm like quoted in my senior yearbook. I'm going to be working at Teen Vogue. I'm going to be a fashion writer. That's what I want to do, fashion writer.

Not Vogue, Teen Vogue. Yes. And it was Teen Vogue at the time because that was like so cool. And I just thought like I, it was planted in my heart from such a young age. Like I want to have a career where I'm relating to young women. That I always knew. It is so funny how God like put that in my heart, but I was wrong about like what that would look like and how he had a bigger plan overall.

but I mean from 13 to 18 years old I was like doing crazy stuff like I was like I had a resume by the time I graduated high school like I was going in Louisville like like I mean it's Louisville Kentucky so that it's not like L.A but anyone that was doing like I don't know fashion photography whatever I'd be like hi I'm 18 and I really want to work in fashion can I come style the shoot can I like sit in and like I was like doing stuff because I just I had to know how the industry worked you know what I could get of the industry not really living there but I was just doing anything I could to then go to college do this and then I wanted to move to New York. And at the same time growing up, I had loved this morning show that I would listen to every morning on my way to school. And they were old, this older co-host team, this woman and guy. And I would listen to them like they were my parents. And I just was graduating. They were like, oh, we're hiring an intern. You can get college credit. And I was like, oh my gosh, before I go away to college, wouldn't it be so cool to meet them? I was like a psycho fan. And so I love her. I just enrolled in community college. I was like, I'll do this. For one semester, I'll go to.

community college so I can meet these people and then I'm and then I'll be done and then I'm going to go to Chicago. And so that's what I did so that I could get college credit to be an intern and then one month in they were like, so we think that you should audition down the hall, the pop radio morning show. They're looking for a sidekick like a third person on the show. Just audition. If you don't get it, go to school in Chicago when this semester's up and if you do get it, we really think you should consider changing your career. And I was like, well, fine, I'll do this, but like I'm not going to get it because I'm 18 years old. I have no idea how to turn a board on or run a, or, you know, link up a mic or talk or anything. I have no experience.

And they were like, it's okay. You don't have to have experience. Just, just try. And I was like, fine. I'm not going to get it. Well, of course, I'm auditioning like seven other people are auditioning, all with broadcast journalism degrees, been on the news locally, whatever. And I was showing up every morning being like, oh my gosh, you won't believe this Tinder date that I went on last night. This guy, he had Legos in his room. Like, I was just like totally being 120% transparent about my life in a way. that it felt like it's very similar to your story as like it was like a reality show but mine

wasn't on Instagram it was on radio so they couldn't see me but they were listening to me and this was 2011 2012 and so they were listening to it every morning it'd be an update on like Alex's love life or whatever and I would just like I mean I so regret this now but I mean it got me where I am but also it was terrible

but I would give them a nickname like you know I would come up with some weird like Alex Cooper vibe yeah yeah yeah actually it is also Alex Cooper maybe yeah it's similar to that she would give these guys nicknames. And so I'd be like, oh, wait till you hear what the Egyptian did or the carpenter or whatever the guy's name was. And so people were like on the edge of their sea.

What happened to Portland guy or whatever his name was? And so I was doing that. And anyway, during the audition process, even, I was so transparent. And they called me and they were like, so we're overwhelmingly choosing you. Wow. And I, my immediate reaction, I burst into tears on the phone to this co-host of this morning show. And I said, I can't do this.

I don't know what I did. And he was like, don't worry about anything. We're going to teach you. everything on the job. Like, just come in and share about your personal life because it's like, it's going like through the roof with the listeners. And so my career started just being a personality and sharing everything about my life. And so now I'm at this place where I'm like, I don't want to share as much, but I'm still

sharing a lot. But it's like now it's done on 180. Same. That's how it started. And then I was doing that. The show was number one. And then I became an afternoon host by myself. Then I went on a reality dating show.

And then. Which one? It was called Coupled on Fox, but it got canceled after one season. It was Mark Burnett, who does The Voice and Survivor and stuff. It was him trying to do a dating show, but it failed. So nobody remembers it. Thank God. So that aired in the summer of 2016, and then I got offered to co-host my own morning show

in Indianapolis, moved to Indy, did that show, went number one in six months. Wow. And was there for three years and then moved over to Turning Point USA in 2019. And I'm sure this is all very public, but what was the start of your journey into, like, culture apothecary and, like, the health stuff? The health stuff happened when the pandemic happened. Got it. So I'm going through the pandemic. And listen, my mom cooked every night for dinner, but there was so much older processed food in my house.

Like, I grew up on goldfish crackers and nutty buddies and all of that and Dr. Pepper and juice. I never drank water. Like, we always were the snack family. I remember being in high school. spending the night at a girlfriend's house and their family was organic and only had water. And I was like, I don't understand. What do you drink? What do you drink?

Like, there's only water in here. I don't know. What am I supposed to have? And a lot of times I would like bring my own juice. I would bring my friends in high school, I could tell you that I would show up with crayon grape. I came to sleepovers with ocean spray crayon grape because I refuse. I'm like, I'm not drinking water.

I mean, that was my life. And so when the pandemic happened, what really peaked my interest in all of this was first mandating that we had to get a certain medical product in order to participate and exist in public society. And I was like, that's deeply unsettling to tell somebody. Like, you have to inject something into your body in order to, like, go out in public and live life or your kids attend school or whatever.

I was like, that is demonic. I mean, that's the first, like, word that comes to mind for me. So I didn't like that. And I thought, well, but has the FDA or anybody ever been wrong about, like, a medical product or drug before? So then I, like, started looking into birth control. And then I started lurking into OxyContin and the whole Purdue Pharma Sackler family scandal.

That's a tough one. Really tough. And I mean, totally admittedly, I definitely grew up in a place of privilege as in my family hadn't been touched by the opioid crisis. So I had never, I just didn't really look into it. I was very ignorant on like how that came to be. I had no idea. And that show Doapsick came out on Hulu.

And I was obsessed with it. It was like, while I was watching it was like, this is going to win so many Emmys. And it did. Um, such a phenomenal show if you've never watched it. And so I watched that and I was just radicalized from the moment I watched it. I started reading every single book that I could on food, on pharma. And it was interesting to me because I grew up in a conservative Christian household. And I innately question everything that the government touches. Education, um, you know, news media, big tech. Like all of these things, it's very natural for me to be like, I don't know.

For some reason, it was like a huge heaping blind spot for lifelong conservatives to look into food and pharma. We were the last group to question anything food or pharma-wise. It was the left who was drinking raw milk in California, the celebrities who were not vaccinating their kids. It was never conservatives. And so that I like to remind people of because I'm like, because people are like, it's me. Like I've started this movement. I'm like, no, it wasn't. It was you guys.

You guys now all of a sudden flip the table and are like, oh, this is the right wing, extremist thing to think this way about vaccines or food. You guys were doing it first. I remember Jenny McCarthy going on her, you know, media tour talking about how we shouldn't be vaccinating our kids. That was like in the 90s with Jim Carrey or whatever and all that. So like that was never us. We were really the last people to come to the table during the pandemic. Our eyes were open. The scales were lifted for the first time probably ever in political history. Conservatives were going to the left and saying we were wrong. You were right. We're sorry. let's work together. And they said, we don't know you and completely turned their back and then said,

you guys are nuts. And that ignited something in me. I was like, I don't care. This is a nonpartisan issue. These topics that I'm passionate about affect every single American living and breathing. It doesn't matter if you're Democrat, black, white, Republican, yellow, doesn't matter. Your health is affected by these policies and this corruption that has infiltrated every single administration left or right since the dawn of time. So, really the inception of the FDA. So I was like, for the first time ever, I'm learning this. I bet my audience doesn't know this either. So I start, the first thing I posted about was birth control. And my audience, it was like, I've never seen so many story shares on my Instagram stories. And I was like, oh, well, I hit a nerve. They didn't know this either.

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regenerative farming organic food GMOs they were talking about it not us if that was your issue and now all of a sudden people on the right are talking about it and you say oh we want nothing to do with you then I question your allegiance to the cause in the first place well it's probably also a lot of propaganda and framing of media to them that made it a political issue right because everyone is on the same page and then I think that there was probably narrative work that was done to make it political so that they hate you. Yeah. I mean, well, I mean, the reason is is because pharma has bought out our media. Yeah, no. I mean, I think we all know that at this point, or maybe just in my mind.

Let me tell you this. You may or may not know this because this, when I heard this, I was like, these people are evil. Your news, when you watch the news in America and you see a pharmaceutical ad come on the TV in between a broadcast. The reason pharmaceutical ads are in, the reason pharmaceutical ads are on TV in the United States isn't so that we will watch it and go ask our doctor about Ozzympic. The reason pharmaceutical ads are on TV in the United States is so that they can control and buy out the news media so that they can only report on stories the way they want them to and the stories they will allow them to. That is why during the pandemic, you did not hear one alternative opinion on the vaccine.

Which, to be clear, it does work. Like, if we had an ad or a sponsor that was in an industry, we would inherently want to be sensitive. Even if they didn't explicitly ask, we would want to inherently be sensitive to, oh, well, we don't want to do that. They're a partner of ours, right? Or talking poorly about them. Talking poorly about them.

And so this is like, it's very easy and possible to do this. In fact, it's easy and possible to do this to influencers too. Oh, yeah. So, like, if pharma was able to shell out money to influencers, like. And they are. Yeah. I don't think they can, they can't do influences. Oh, yes, they are.

During the pandemic, do you know how many checks were going out to get? 100%. Yeah. So they do do that. Yes. And also, also. It's a very easy way to influence because you don't have to directly ask. You're just getting people to think about the economics of their livelihood and say,

oh, well, I'm CNN. I can't cut this off because. Yikes. The Washington Post did a massive expose last year, and they found that a significant portion of influencers on TikTok who talk about body positivity and you should be able to eat what you want and stop body shaming were all taking massive paychecks from big food. So the junk food companies, the Pepsi's, the Coca-Cola's, whatever, Nabisco, I'm just making up stuff, whoever, those companies were paying these influencers to make content that says things. like, you know what, every size is beautiful, you know, whatever. Eat whatever you want. It's propaganda. That is what I mean more.

And I say how evil this is. They deliberately want you sick and unwell and depressed and insane so that you will buy their products and not die, but you will just be sick for life and need more and more and more of their stuff. They're making you sick and selling the cure. That is diabolical. I have a question. But who's the second camp?

So the first camp that hates you is the political left. who's the second camp that are maybe not political, but just what is the anger towards your message? The second most angry people with my message are conservative women who are mothers who are angry that I talk a lot about these issues or do a lot of episodes on parenting and things like that, but I'm not a parent. Oh, so interesting.

I was not expecting that. Yeah. So that's, I will say. But don't you just take information in and just have the conversation? Are you lecturing parents? I'm trying not, okay, here's what I do. And I know what their gripes are.

My episodes, my podcast, I'm having experts. Like I said, I ask the questions that I know my audience wants to know about things like breastfeeding or parenting or whatever. Screens. Discipline, gentle parenting, whatever it is, screens. I'm asking the questions. A lot of times I ask them to submit questions, but I ask what I know my audience wants to hear. Sometimes I have ideas of big picture things that I will or will not do when I

have kids. Big picture things. And I'm like, there's probably no way hell or high water that I will change my mind on this. I know little things, like the brand of car seat I think I want to use or whatever. Like, I'm probably going to change my mind. Those are things like, I know I'm going to change my mind once I'm actually a parent. There are just some overall like values and things like that that I'm like, I probably won't. And when people ask me about it and I do share things, they're like, that's where they get bent out of shape. And they're like, you can't possibly have an opinion on that because you're not a parent. What's the biggest thing that you probably would not do with your children.

Ooh, will not do? Well, my kids will never step foot in a government school. Hell yeah. Point blank, period. I don't care. Are you homeschooling? Yes. I'll be homeschooling.

And definitely, like, with a co-op, like, I suck at math. Yeah. I suck at math. So I'm like, I'm not going to be taking that on past, like, second grade. But, I mean, there's amazing, incredible, like, life-giving homeschool co-ops. We're like, there are other. You can get a good group of friends. Yes.

I'll start my friends have talked about that and you know there every like you have a skill you have a skill something that you could teach kids like is your own talent or your expertise you would be great at teaching a business class or something what do you hate about government schools I hate that kids are not allowed to be kids that you're told that you have to sit still and shut up and behave for six seven hours a day that's completely unnatural I hate that um if you put a plant in the same environment that a child is forced to live in, a plant would die. The beige walls, no natural light, never going outside, terrible food, you're not eating real food. Literally, a plant would die. The tap water, the crappy fluoride, arsenic water that these kids are drinking out of the water

fountains, literally, this sounds nuts, but the artificial light that they're subjected to for that many hours a day is so terrible on their health. And also just really unnatural wake-up times, when you talk about getting into the teenage years, you need more sleep at that age. You really do, like, super early starting mornings are terrible. When I was in high school, I think I, like, broke a record for how many times somebody could be tardy to first period. I straight up wouldn't go.

I did not care. I did not care about school. From the moment, God knew, though, that, like, college was not going to be my path because, yeah, I never cared about it. Like, I think I graduated with probably like a C plus, B minus average GPA. I never took one book home to study all of high school. Like literally did not give a rip. I remember telling my high school counselor,

I said, I think I meant to be on TV or something, but I don't know. Like I had said something like that, but I'm so passive. Yeah, 100% that you're right. But it was so, it was like, and I was in radio TV. I did radio TV elect of all four years of high school. I wrote a fashion column for our student newspaper all four years. I wasn't an athlete. I wasn't a popular kid, but I was always like standout different.

People always had an opinion about me. they either hated me or they really liked me. Like, you know, and that's how it is today. But, like, I, I just always had it. I knew something was different and I was going to do something. I thought it was going to be like, I'm going to be some big shot fashion writer. But actually, it was, you know, I was going to end up doing what I do now. But I always had that innate feeling.

I was meant to do something. You have a lot of grit and you have a lot of confidence, which is amazing. Like, I admire people like this so much. What, like, how were you raised as a child? Like, what were your parents like? What was your childhood like? I it's so weird what my parents were really lenient about and what they were not so MTV was blocked in my house I was I remember okay did you ever watch the movie the virgin suicides no oh my gosh

okay so there's this movie the virgin suicides and it's also based on a book that sounds like an r-rated movie it's so good what and you watched it in high school um probably I wasn't allowed to watch our rated movies well I wasn't really either but but here's the thing though so in the Virgin Suicide, there's a scene where the mom is like really, really strict and she's breaking her records or her CDs that has like any profanity or whatever. My mom actually did that. So I had like gone out and bought, I remember like I had Missy Elliott CD and Shania Twain and like her stomach was on the cover and all this. And my mom just went through one day and she was like, I've had it. And she was like, this is all inappropriate. There's one cuss word on this album. We're bringing it.

And my mom was like breaking all my CDs in front of me. And I've like never hated anybody more than my mom in that moment. And it was a lot of like trying to control me in those ways. And I was, and still to this day, if you tell me I cannot do something, I'm going to do it. Like, everything has to be my idea. That's her. If you're like, and my mom would be like clean your room and because she was telling me to clean it, I was like, no. Very defiant, very strong willed, like literally a nightmare child as a teenager,

like slam my door blasting Avalovine. Like I was the caricature of a like a nightmare teenage girl. So my parents were really strict in those things that were annoying to me. But then like really not strict when it came to sleeping over at people's houses. So I could just be like, I'm going to somebody's house that's in my class, some girl, and they'd just be like, okay, see you later. And I was, I went through my most rebellious stage of my life

was my teenage years, I would say, was the worst, where I would be like, I'm going to spend the night somewhere and I would be out at some party. Like, I mean, I'm in Indiana, so it was like a field party or a barn party till five in the morning. And then my friends and I would like sleep for two hours in a parking lot in our car. And then I would just like come home at 6.30, 7 in the morning.

And my mom be like, oh, could you not sleep? And I'm like, yeah. Like, she was very naive in that. And no, I've been out drinking all night. But then at 18, I started my career. So it was like, I was like crazy in high school, sneaking out, doing all this. And then once I was done, it was like, oh, I'm a career woman now. And so all my friends were going to college.

And they were like then experiencing, you know, Greek life and partying and doing all this. And then they were graduating. And by the time they were graduating and starting their first job, making like, you know, $29,000 a year or whatever I was like. I was already six figures, you know, had this radio career, whatever. It was like a totally different life. It was like totally different planes. So I think one of the best things that my mom and dad did was I was allowed to be the kid that was allowed to play outside and do whatever until the lights, the street lights came on.

And I had so many adventures being outside playing with neighborhood kids and, you know, getting to really be a free spirit in that way. And I was always allowed to be really creative. and my parents never ever put pressure on me about grades, which I'm really thankful for because that wasn't my path. But they let me be really creative and like, I want to stay after school and do this radio program and do all this. Like I was allowed to do any of that that I wanted.

I went through all these weird fashion stages and dressing how I wanted and emo phase and doing all this. They let me experiment in that way, which was really helpful for me as a creative person. Just before we move on from this, I'm sorry, this is two points earlier. The things that you will not do,

or the haters, the conservative mom haters that are like, you don't have kids so you don't understand. The only thing I could probably see is like, I thought we were going to give our kids healthy snacks too. They just straight up love goldfish. Oh, yeah. And they love the worst things.

Yeah, but baby. But now they prefer the goldfish. Okay, so here's my. Yeah. So like, that's my one question is like I kind of empathize because I'm like, okay,

like you don't get it. until you're there. No, but I, I do feel like. I do. I feel like. It's like crack for them. We do apple juice when we go to a movie. Yeah.

So it's like something that they have to look forward. Or they get to look. I like that idea. We don't keep it in a house. Candy like we'll do it whenever we go on a, an airplane or a movie. We call it the movie show. No. What I'm saying is like they were raised on Chick-fil-A chocolate milk.

Okay. You can't trick these kids. But this is the point. So this is why this is where I'm like and people are like, well, you don't understand. And my thing is, is I'm saying like, my kids won't know the difference because they'll never have it until older. So I'm going to. I'm calling you in 10 years. I know. You're going to come to be like in your rough day where you like, fine, we're going to Chick-fil-A. Like I totally understand that. So my thing is like as much as I can control. Now obviously life happens. They're going to go get invited to a birthday party, whatever. But I mean, and I'm taking this from experience too with like people like Taylor or Vonie Hari the food babe. You know, so I see. They are real parents with real kids. And I'm seeing what they're doing.

And it's not like they're in a bubble and they can never have something. But for the most part, like in their home, they don't buy it. It's not an option. So like, and then there's a lot of education going on. So it's like, hey, we're going to this birthday party. Now listen, the cupcakes are going to have this ingredient. You can have it. It might make your brain feel buzzy and it might make your tummy hurt.

You can have this cupcake at this party if you want with your friends. But also, Mommy did bring a cupcake that doesn't have the buzzy red stuff in it if you want it. And so a lot of times what they're talking about, telling me is like almost nine times out of 10 their kid is going to go into them and be like, mommy, can I have your cupcake instead? Like the kids will start because they will try it and then they do feel sick because they've never experienced it. And then they're like, I don't want it. It's harder when it is harder and like, yeah, it's going to be a more uphill battle. I think when your kids do have that stuff and then you have to backtrack and be like, okay, we're not eating

this anymore. Then it is a learning curve and like that's really hard. Yeah. No, but I feel like we have been buying them pretty healthy snacks. And like there was a popsicle at the lake. that's still a, no, no, I'm sorry. You remember those red Kool-Aid drinks? They came in the bottles. They almost like plastic beer bottles. Yes.

And I loved those growing up. No, oh my gosh. I did too. Those were like so good. And they had those at the lake. And Stella got one and I was, you know, everybody else is having them. She's like, mommy, can I have it?

And I literally go, oh, sure. And she drank and she was, I don't like it. Yeah. Because she'd never had something like that before. But so what would you say when you, out of all these health and wildness topics, what is like the most sensitive topic that you get hate about when you talk about it. Good question, Danny.

Ooh, for health and wellness stuff. Okay, I have never, I have never gotten feedback the way I did when I started talking about the benefits of nicotine. Oh, yeah. So I did, I did some nicotine the other day. You did? Yeah, it's supposed to be good for you. Yeah, how'd you feel? It made me feel a little.

Are you doing nicotine, Danny Austin? I'm doing nicotine is cool. No, my aunt gave it to me. I'm telling you, the only time I ever do drugs is when my family gives it to me. That's true. I mean, I literally have never, I'm like honestly the opposite of you in school. All straight A's, never broke any rules. My mom gave me weed gummies one time.

And then my aunt gave me nicotine because my aunt's super, I mean, she was on this journey like 20 years ago when everybody thought she was crazy. So anyway, she is the one that gave us nicotine at the, Taylor Dix was with us. Yeah. It made me feel not great. A little like buzzy, a little out of it. Was it a pouch or in your mouth? In my mouth?

That might be why. It might have been too intense for the first time through your mouth. It was pretty intense. And I felt, um, that's good. That's good. Um, I felt like I was like maybe I would have liked this if I was about myself. But because I was with people, I felt like I was like flurring my words and I was like, I just need to be, you know, um, it's interesting because like I'm covering, you know,

I'm doing two episodes a week. and different guests and everything. So like there's a lot of ground to cover and a lot of stuff I've never talked about. And I had this guy on who's an expert, Dr. Brian artist in the benefits of nicotine. And so I had him come on, oh my gosh,

I would say probably 80% of my audience, like, love this episode. It was one of my biggest episode of the year so far. And it just went mega viral and people are loving this episode. And like, I think we sold out nicotine patches on Amazon or something. It was nuts.

But then there was like 20% that were like, this is some of the most dangerous misinformation I've ever heard on a podcast like this is it my last straw like I'm throwing in the towel on you and then I'm like and then my reaction to that is always okay I'll see you in two months yeah because inevitably and you probably know this is your own content I love her I just say that literally like oh my gosh I got to delete it I got revert revert no every time I get hate I'm like delete delete delete no never delete I every single time like clockwork they get so pissed off of a piece of content but then like I'm sorry

It's kind of like Taylor Swift and she says, like, I put narcotics into all of my songs to keep them all singing along. It's like the same thing with my content. I know that you're mad and then you're going to be back because it's so freaking good. You can't stay away. So like then I'm going to do another topic. You're like, oh, they're going to be like twitching in there in their padded room like, oh, I need to click on it. I need to listen. And like they will.

And then they'll send me a DM and they'll be like, I'm sorry. I was really nasty to you three months ago. I'm like, yeah, I know you are. Like, it's always how it is. So I'm not, I don't worry about it. But yeah, they were really upset about that nicotine episode. but it's really gaining traction because you know who is poppin nicotine pouches in the Senate is RFK.

So like he is like all in on the benefits. It's supposed to prevent. Is it Parkinson's or what is? Yeah, they're saying this is like what, now listen, the guy I had on he spoke to this. I don't remember all the like all the studies or whatever. That's not my thing. I just asked. But yeah, he talked about the study showing that it can help reduce or totally reverse Parkinson's

symptoms or disease. he claimed Alzheimer's. Now, my friend Max Lugavir, who's also in the health and wellness space, and his whole thing is like brain health and Alzheimer's. He said that's BS. So he disagrees with them. So there's just agreements too. Yeah.

On nicotine. Yeah. And then there he talked about how like if you suffer from long COVID, like this is the number one thing to like finally get rid of your symptoms and reverse your symptoms. He said that since he has consistently worn a nicotine patch every day, he's never gotten sick, not cold, not flu once. So, you know, he went on and on about all these different benefits. I actually packed for this trip to Dallas.

I have my nicotine patches, haven't put them on yet. So I brought them because I was like, ooh, I wonder if I'll be brave enough now that I'll be around my friends. Yeah, let's see what happens. Yeah, like try it out. And so I brought it. Maybe I'll do it. But I do want to try it.

I know. Does it chill you out? Does it bring you up? I don't think it does either. Maybe it helps you focus. Yeah, maybe it helps focus a little bit. But I think for the most part, it's just kind of like an amazing thing. I would kill.

to pop like six nicotine patches on you and have you rant about birth control. I mean, it would scare me. I might leave the room because I'm so scared, but yes. Well, so you have, who was it, Phil, you said, on your podcast? Who was it? Who's the, oh, no, sorry. Who was the expert?

R of K. No, no, about nicotine. Oh, Dr. Brian artist. Okay, so you had Brian on your podcast talking about the benefits of nicotine. Then you have Max, the other guy? Max, Luke of your hasn't been on my show, but he's a friend of mine.

But he's saying it's all bogus. So how do you decide? Not all. He's saying that. him claiming that it helps reverse Alzheimer's symptoms. Oh, is not true. He disagrees on Alzheimer's.

I think he's like okay with some of the other stuff, but he disagrees on Alzheimer's. So you have people in the same community. So how do you decide what you believe? Like what do you believe about nicotine? How do you decide that? Okay. Danny,

very good. You should be a podcaster. Well, no, I'm genuinely just curious. So one thing, this also is like a lot of hate that I get is people get very bent out of shape. Like, you had, this guest that said this, but then you're this guest that said this, it directly contradicts it. I'm like, yeah, exactly. Because that is the point.

And conversation. Everything that you hear on a podcast, like some stuff is going to work for you and some stuff isn't. I don't know your personal health. You do. So if somebody is saying, hey, vegetables are high in oxalates. You should totally stop eating vegetables. If you're somebody that struggles with oxalates, that might be good advice for you.

For me, it's terrible advice. I need vegetables. So, like, people get mad. Like, well, what? I'm supposed to not give up vegetables. I'm like, I'm not saying. that chew the meat spit out the bones everything that you hear on my podcast figure out listen to your body figure out what works for you and leave what doesn't some stuff it's just entertaining to hear

somebody you go off about you know carnivore and vegetables or whatever what is this about vegetables how do i specifically decide no but my question too is like okay so we have all this information that these podcasters are relaying but like do you ever fact check anything or do they ever like give you the actual studies and you know what i mean because you know what i mean because Sometimes I don't know what to believe. And that's what led me to the American Cancer Society's website. Because I was like, I want to look at these studies. To be honest, sometimes I don't even believe these studies.

Sometimes I feel like they're bogus too. I feel like they're actually just trying to get the answer that they want. Yeah, it's like how do we know that like nicotine isn't just being lobbied by Zen? Yeah, yeah, exactly. You have to look into every individual study and you have to see who funded it. So you're exactly right that how come it feels like some studies are bogus because they are, most of them are. Why did we have a study saying that Lucky Charms were healthier than ground beef? Because Big Food funded the study. So this is the corruption. Wait, is that a real study?

Yes. No, you're kidding. Dead ass. Honestly, in the 90s we all were bought in though. Well, good. I ate them every single morning. We wanted it to be true. We wanted it to be true. That was criminal. They need to go, they need to be sent to the gulog. Hines for that. A catastrophe, gulog. So here's the thing. As he drinks. his diet code. Yeah. What is going on is, this is one of the main initiatives

with the Maha movement, Make America Healthy again, Bobby Kennedy, is that we're weeding out this corruption in the FDA and in food and pharma where they're allowed to handpick their own scientists to tell you that a product is safe. That is evil. I know.

You can't do that. If Danny or I went and told the media, I have the number one podcast. And then they're like, well, who did you, how do you know that data? And you're like, well, I interviewed my friends and family. It's like that.

Exactly. So it's all skewed. So the thing is, how do I know? Do I fact check my guess? No, that's the audience's job. My schedule is packed to the brim already as is. I'm not, and I'm filming so many times a week. Are you kidding me?

The content I'm doing, if I were to sit there and fact check everybody, like I would be like a slave to the office. I'd never leave. So I took this stuff out there. I have the conversation. I have the conversation. I ask the questions. If you think it sounds nuts, look it up.

Maybe it is. I it's not like I just put anyone on there I am I have people on that I genuinely am fascinated by what they believe even if I disagree or I do think that they're probably on to something have you ever reached out to a guest. We keep up raising our hands like she's our teacher. You do give that energy that I'm like ma'am, may I interrupt you? Have you ever reached out to a guest and they said no because they didn't like your politics and your views? Constantly yes. Really? Can you tell us some? That was a good question.

I was very pissed off when this group, Exodus cry, they're like an anti-pornography, anti-human trafficking nonprofit. And they actually came to me and said like, hey, like we really wanna come on your show. We'd love to have like somebody come on and talk about the dangers of human trafficking, whatever.

I'm like, oh, absolutely. Like, that's phenomenal. This is like back in the day before culture apothecure and my other show. And I was like, yeah, absolutely. And then like they saw in the email addresses that it said at TPSA or whatever. And they're like, wait, this is turning point.

Like, oh, we don't want to do it. And I was like, I'm sorry, you care about human trafficking? I didn't know that only certain, yeah, political affiliations were human trafficked. Doesn't this affect all children? Doesn't pornography affect, you know, everyone? Like, now this is political. So Exodus Cry has been on my blacklist ever since. I'll never do anything with them again because I thought that was garbage.

Like when you are dealing with an issue like that that is so serious and like you're going to start playing political games. I don't take you seriously as an organization. I think that's super corrupt. Who else? I can't. Do you have your blacklist in your pocket? There are people.

Okay, so like for years, I mean, there are just different celebrities that I, that like would say no to me because I asked them early, will you come on? And they were like, I don't know. I'm super scared. People are going to like know that I'm conservative if I say yes. And then like two years.

You have so much to you right now. Two years would go by. Okay, I'll tell you off camera. And then like two years would go by. And they'd end up. on somebody else's podcast that is that's also conservative. I'm like, what the heck? And then it's like, oh, I was ready now. I'm like, but I asked me first. So like that kind of stuff is frustrating, you know, but yeah, uh, a lot of like celebrities will follow me or something. Yeah. Or they'll

DM me. They won't even follow me because they don't want anyone yet. They follow me. Yeah. Or they like do something. Yeah. Yeah. And then they'll like, they'll shoot a message. Like, I love this. I can't share it. But like, I love what you're doing. I feel like so much of Hollywood is probably like that. But they're just silenced. Who is your. dream guest. Can you give us three? Ooh, three. Jessica Simpson. Really? Why? Because Jessica, first of all, like, there's so much, so much that I could say, yeah, her memoir, like, she was so open. And so to me, when I'm looking for, like, an ideal guest, I'm like, who's willing to get vulnerable and, like, get, like, messy and, like, share everything? That makes it, like,

an ideal interview guest. In your interview with her, did you get messy? Did you get vulnerable? I did. She did. I mean, I got, this is. This is. This is. like all very new to me. I mean, I've always been vulnerable with my audience, but this space is very new. So I definitely dipped my toe. I have to like, and I think Jessica Simpson with her memoir did such a great job. I mean, she talked about Adderall. She talked about her alcoholism, her mental health, her dating, like, that's where I would bring it into the health and wellness aspect because my show is covering health and wellness from a physical, emotional and spiritual area. So like you can go in any of those directions. It'll, it'll like be on brand for me. And I can hit all of that with her. But yeah, talking about

Ambian alcoholism, all of that, that's what I would want to kind of bring together. Plus, she's like, OG, I mean, old establishment Republican celebrity. So, like, I don't know what she identifies as now. But back then in the early 2000s, remember, she was like going up to bat for George Bush. Yeah, she went to my high school too. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Well, then you probably have all the tea.

You probably have a better shot of getting there. She was a little bit older. So, but her family, like, they all lived in Dallas. Yeah, she's like super conservative. But you're right. Like, I don't know. where she identifies now. Yeah.

But like, so I just, I want to ask her about all that. Like, so there's so much I would want to get into with her. Um, I really want to interview Dr. Mark Hyman. Oh, yes. Obsessed with him. Obsessed. I get his blood work done. Oh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He just opened something in Austin. In Austin.

No, function health is like, I think just. I know, but they just opened like a something in Austin. We got invited to it. They probably did because he lives there now. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So he's number two.

You'll probably get him. That's easy. Yeah. I'm hoping to get him. And then, ooh, number three. Sorry,

easy for you. Not for me. I'm like, you know, you know, like Mark, you know, to come on Diapolis.

Here's who I want to have that you've had is, I want to have, uh, the ostrichs. You're a toaster? Yeah. Shut up.

But I want to have them so badly, but I know they hate talking about the cancellation stuff. But like, there's so much with that. Like, even just dip my toe a little bit. There's so much I want to ask about.

Um, and, I love them. There's like a million things I could get into with them, especially because Jackie's kind of gone on like this crunchy journey. Oh, 100%. Yeah. So like there's so much there.

And I think that Claudia is too. Jordan's pretty close with Ben. They talk about it a little bit. Oh, there you go. Put a good word in for me. So I'd love to interview them on like a myriad of stuff. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, we're not like that close. But like I'll take it. Okay. Ben would probably do it. See, Jackie follows me. So we've chatted a little bit. But yeah,

I'd love to get them at some point. She's in Dallas a lot. Is she? She's her husband's from Dallas. Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't know that. Yeah, so those would be my three.

Cool. What's RFK like? I have not had like a serious long conversation with him because in the settings that we've been, it's like Senate round table or like at a dinner and I'm not at his table. So it's like we're in the same room or something. But like I have only like said hello, two sentences, but I haven't gotten to like chit chat. But is he, is he the real deal? Like do we trust him to uproot this stuff?

Oh, yeah. I mean, and especially because he's been doing this forever. or long before any of this. And I think one of the biggest indicators... But you just fear that they're going to get bought. Right. But, okay, here's my thing with this. And I know for a fact, which really gave me a lot of hope.

Because I was really scared about that too. Because Trump's first term that happened, where a lot of, you know, the swampy people came in. And then it was like, and he's admitted this. He admitted this on Rogan that, like, a bunch of people got involved. And he was like, there were decisions made that I wouldn't make now in hindsight. That, like, I don't like.

And so now the second. time around, I'm making sure that like only core people are in this administration. None of these swampy people are allowed to touch us with the 10 foot pole, yada, yada, yada. So what I really like and what gave me a lot of hope is that within 24 hours of winning the election, he was at Marlago and he was the thing that he had people there talking about was Maha. So he had RFK there. He had Cali Means there, all these people. And he literally sat them down within 24 hours of winning the election. So many things he could have been doing, sleeping for one. He said, I want to get together and I want to talk about how we're going to beat this because he was treated so terribly in his first term. He still treated terribly,

but he was treated so unfairly and so terribly that he knows I have four years. This is my shot to leave a great legacy for my children, for my family. What do I want to be known for? I want to be known for making America healthy again and totally reversing chronic disease for children. Like he is like, and you can blame that on, oh, he's got such an ego, whatever. Fine. I don't care if this is, if he's doing it for an ego purpose. If he's going to make American kids healthy, who cares what the reason is. Like the outcome is going to be amazing and positive and positively affect everybody no matter what. So who cares?

But so he's dead serious about it. And I mean, he told Bobby, he said, you've got two years to prove that we've shown some reversing in this or we're going to have another conversation. So I mean, like he's like holding people's feet to the fire. Very, very, very serious. Are you happy with the progress at least in the first, what are we in 150, 200 days? Yes. I'm blown away by the progress. So, I mean, just this week, RFK just fired all the people that make the decisions on the vaccines.

I saw that. I did see that. So because he wants a clean slate, no bias. I guess our pediatrician didn't get the memo. Yeah, exactly. She told me about that. But you know what I didn't tell you? So in between this episode or the episode we filmed for your podcast and this episode,

our nanny had to take Summit, our five months ago to the doctor because he woke up and we think maybe he had pink eye. And I was like, oh, I'm filming this podcast. Can you all take him? And literally when I walked downstairs after our episode, our nanny told us like they kicked us out. Yeah. Yeah. It happened right before we walked in. And this is Summit.

So Summit, we haven't made a decision. We just delayed. So we always. Which is a very normal thing. Like we just delayed and we were saying like, hey, we're not going to give our like infant X number of vaccines. They kicked us out. Literally like an hour ago. Well, a reckoning is coming.

You guys will feel vindicated. And you've got to find a new doctor that believes in a parent's right. Right. I just hope they have a good medical line. I won't blast them. Yeah, but you guys, like let's be frank here. Why are you worried about a 24 hour line pediatrician? You guys can easily afford and have like an on-call doctor pediatrician that comes to your house.

I know, but they are pretty good. So that actually is one of my questions is, you know, accessibility to be healthy. Yes. Like what are your thoughts on that? Because I think that all of this is really awesome. But like, the more that I really. realize that what we do for our health, like even not going to an accessible grocery store, but like me taking the extra 25 minutes to go to the butcher shop, right?

Not everyone has the luxury to optimize their health across the board. So what's the conversation with wellness around accessibility too? Yeah. So one thing is like how corrupt our health insurance is. So that's like a huge thing in America that's preventing people from being well. They're actually motivated financially to keep you sick for longer. It's like that's a whole thing that we're working on with the Maha movement. So that's one piece of it.

That's totally unfair. Two, which is another thing, by the way, the left was drawing attention to before we were. Yeah. Like there's something wrong with the healthcare. Like food deserts and like all that was like such a left thing. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other thing is I try to tell people you can make this as expensive or as

inexpensive as you want. It's really up to you. Do you need to have a red light machine? No, you can just go outside for sunrise and sunset. Do you need to eat organic? If your budget is that tight, no. But you can eat eggs, beef, chicken, rice, you know, asparagus, green beans. You can also grow your own food, you know, in your own garden and your yard.

Like, the biggest expense is time. Yeah. And people have to make the decision. It's convenience and time. Is convenience worth your health? let me tell you something. You know, when it comes to like organic food, whatever, yes, some of that stuff is pricier.

You're going to pay for this somewhere in the wash. Is it going to come out in your grocery bill or is it going to come out at your hospital bill when you're my dad, 57 years old dying from brain cancer because you've ate like this your entire life. So it's like this all comes out for everybody at some point and you've got to make the decision like, okay, what do I prioritize? Maybe it is. I want the convenience of Chick-fil-A because my kid is, you know, on a traveling baseball team.

And that's more important to my family. Okay, then that's your family's decision. But then it's like you can't act like, why are my kids chronically ill? Why are they saying my kid needs to be on a Zempeg because we're eating fast food five times a week? It's like, then you can't be like, well, how did we get here? Why is my kids suffering, you know, with debilitating depression at 14 years old? What is he eating? Yeah.

It's like, so you have to like make, you have to weigh these decisions for your own family. But eating real food, getting sunlight, getting rest. having community, you know, sometimes my choice comes to you. Am I going to avoid going to a seed oil free restaurant, but then miss out on time with my friends or am I needing, is my health, my mental health needing time with my friends more than avoiding se oils. So, you know, you make those decisions. Everything is a decision.

I do like that you said like. There's a mic drop right there. I do like that you said like the simplicity of eating well because it's like I've been like on a huge health and wellness kick. and like I realize that it's like chicken, eggs, like white rice, vegetables, like all that are extremely accessible for not really a crazy difference in price. It's just boring. It's just boring.

It's just straight boring. It's just discipline. That's what a lot of it's just people. It's convenience. It's discipline and people don't want to do it. But also they don't understand how. So I, so my hot take is I actually don't think the obesity epidemic is due to people having like not enough like mental capability.

What's the word I'm looking for? Discipline? Yeah, yeah. I don't think that the obesity epidemic is because people don't have self-discipline or they just are lazy. That's the word I'm looking for. I don't think it's a laziness problem. I think it is the chemicals and the manipulation that they're doing to the food.

I agree. People are up against basically like heroin levels of addiction when it comes to ultra-process food. It is so hard to quit that. There is a reason why if I say Chick-fil-A sandwich, you know immediately you just tasted it. it. It's chemically engineered to do that to your brain. Yeah. It's amazing. It's chemically engineered to do that. And so that's why these people like cannot quit this food. And so what you have to do is like stick with it. If you can stick with it for like 90 days, just like don't say I'm going to change my whole life. Just be like, I'm just going to try this for three months. Try it for three months. Be absolutely diligent about it. Three months, you're going to break the addiction because you will feel so good. You'll feel like a new person that you're like, it's undeniable how I feel. this food. And then it's going to be easier to keep it going. You just got to commit to three months.

So I do want to ask you a question about this, like the obesity in particular. So, and I can't figure out my thought process on this because when Ozympic came out and all the celebrities were using it, I kind of was like, okay, this is a really good thing because if chronic obesity is like one of the greatest factors in the decline of the health of Americans. I hate to say it. I think it's wishful thinking to have everyone on a fitness program and like a new diet, etc. Like, OZMPIC does help the situation.

But then all the things came out about it from the wellness community that were like, this is a very dangerous drug. It shuts down. Once again, you're allowing farming to come in and say, take a pharma product instead of actually doing life out changes. I know, but on this one, I'm kind of like, should we let it slide? No. I mean, like maybe you get my point. Like just the argument.

But, but the, ozambic for a leg up, sure, microdose it to like get a head start because you're 500 pounds. Sure. Yes. But the problem is the girls that are 160 pounds getting on ozambic, they don't change anything about how they eat. They're rotting literally from the inside out. They're not making any dietary or lifestyle changes. And then they're like really getting sick and having muscle weakness and also looking gross. Like, I mean, they're looking like skeletor.

So there's a lot to be said there. But like, why is Ozempic the cure to obesity and not fixing this freaking food? Because food and pharma work together. They need you sick from the food so they can then offer you the cure of the pharma. Yeah, no, I agree. I guess it's like, okay, I'm just, we're being, we're exaggerating. If I'm 400 pounds, okay, I have to go through such a significant change in my lifestyle to shed that weight. Right.

And so, and that's happening all across America, right? So my understanding of people who have been on OZMPIC is that you take OZMPIC and it literally kind of takes away your hunger. It gives you a chance to reboot your lifestyle, you know, in the, in the perfect way. To kind of get, like you said, like a leg up. A head start. A head start transitioning. I'm open minded to that.

Right. If that's your situation. That's my argument. I'm going to be honest with you, I can probably, in my, in my friend group, I can think of five people that have gone on a. Zempic and lost, let's say, 50 pounds. And now all of them are off of it, but they are living such different lifestyles. And that's great.

Yes. But most people will not do that. Most people don't. And then you're just going to gain all the way back anyway. I also hear the argument that weirdest thing to me about OZempic is that they only sell it to Americans. They're not allowed to sell it in their native country. Where is it Dutch?

Yeah. Well, it's, it's Nova Nordics. Is it? No, of a Nordics. Yeah. They can't sell it in the EU, for my understanding. But it's also like way more expensive. Drugs are way more expensive in the U.S.

because they're subsidized. Well, what I'm saying is it's not an approved drug in other parts of the world. They are literally making their money. It is the most valuable company wherever it's based because they're selling it to Americans. So here's that's really crazy. That's sketchy to me too. What's crazy is Nova Nordics who makes Ozempic, they have, which is changing now,

but the committee who decides school lunches, almost all of the people on this panel who decides public school lunches for American kids, we're all taking money from Ozempic. Now, if you are making a significant amount of money from a drug that cashes in on people being obese, what kind of food do you think you're going to tell students that they should eat for lunch?

Yeah. That is the kind of stuff that's like evil, evil, evil, that we're weeding out. But the people want to know, are you dating anyone? I'm not dating anybody right now. So you're on the market? I'm on the market. What's your type?

Like, can I help out? You know, I used to be a matchmaker back in my day. Well, I know you tried with your brother. Yeah, yeah. My type is like extremely extroverted. Oh, really? Way more than me. I'm actually not that extroverted.

I'm good when I'm on camera. Yeah. But I'm kind of like more low-key off camera. So I really like a guy that's kind of like life of the party like that. And Christian, conservative. Okay. I love like I'm very partial to brunettes. Oh, really? Okay.

Yeah, love a brunette. I like a guy that like is into fashion a little bit. Oh. Dress is cute. You know what I mean? Okay. And really funny. Okay.

I need a little bit like crackhead energy. Like a goofball. Yes. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. So that would be like the like. What would be the ideal career that he's in or like job that he has?

Okay. So somebody asked me this the other day and I didn't answer it because I was like, I don't know how to say this without coming off the wrong way. it's complicated. So every guy. Trust fund, billionaire. No,

it's like, actually I've never dated anybody like that ever. Every guy I've ever dated has been normal, like quote unquote. And I wonder if that is part of the problem

is that like the insecurities start to rear their head a few months in. For him. For him. Yeah, he needs to go. through the Instagram husband boot camp.

Yeah, just send him to Jordan. We run it every Saturday. I got him. It's a whole ego complex. Yes, there's a support group. And so, I mean, like in the past, like what I've noticed is like casually bringing things up, which I think are weird, like, does it bother you that I only have this amount of followers?

Like, no. Yeah. I don't know. Just stuff like that that I think is weird. And other little things, like, it plays out in the relationship. I'm like, this is coming from a place of insecurity. You know, like a really, really fragile. Um, really fragile themes of masculinity.

Um, like just different like I, like I'll be like a little bit moody like in a like kind of in a grumpy mood or whatever and I'll like be a little bit short like I don't know like like something like that. And it's like you need to apologize right now. Like I like you're so disrespectful. You're constantly disrespectful. Like you want to live this girl boss non-traditional life like I'm like what? Where is this coming from?

Like just for like little moments like that. And I just, I'm like it's yeah. It's like stemming from this place of. insecurity and then I'm like, well, where's all this insecurity coming from? I don't know. Is it because you know, they're internalizing these like inequities between me being public figure, them not? It's not like people haven't been successful that I've dated or whatever, made good money, but I don't know. There's just a difference in being a public figure and not. So I have wondered recently if I need to be with somebody who is like somewhat in this industry in some way, shape, or form,

like understanding this. Like either they're a personality or maybe they're not, but they're like behind the scenes in some way. Like it's social media managing or I don't know what that looks like or like a really big business owner or something. Totally. That just owns his lane. Gets it. Yeah.

You can always date a normie and then just teach him to film you all day every day. And then be like, I can't do this without you. That's how she trapped me. Just get his own social media and have his own podcast. I'm dating somebody that's very normal. And then all of a sudden I'm like, hey, I need you to come to Mara Lago with me. Like it's like stuff like that where it's like, I, you're kind of like, I get it because then he's like, yeah, I'm just here with her.

So then I think I just wonder like that is causing problems. That makes sense. And it's hard because I don't care about that. But I keep, but the pattern of like what the problems are with guys I date, I'm like maybe that is a problem for them. But like also they're men, so they're not going to say that to me. Nobody has said that is a problem for me. Of course. But it's stuff that I'm picking up on and then like in hindsight after the breakup.

I'm like putting pieces together. I don't think you're wrong. No, I think you're totally. Totally right. That makes a lot of sense and that has to be really hard dating because all of that kind of happened to us. Like when we dated, we were both like pretty normal. Yeah. And then all that happened in our marriage, which we were like, okay, we kind of are forced to figure it out together. But dating, it's like you're not forced to.

So it's like, okay. And then you just break up. Exactly. Yeah, you got to fight for it when you're married. Yeah, you got to fight for it. Okay. So what was I going to ask you? What was I going to ask you? I was going to ask you, how if you're dating. Oh, dang. Oh, why do you not like Trader Joe's? Trader Joe's is a fake health food store.

There's nothing healthy about it. People think that it's like healthier. I don't know where they got this idea. Trader Joe's is just another ultra-process food, like junk food store. Like, of course they have like produce and eggs and stuff. And actually, what I do like about Trader Joe's is that their eggs and their produce, I think is a lot cheaper than other places. So if you are looking for like produce and eggs and milk and stuff,

maybe try Trader Joe's, but their meat is like all green washed, which means it's like not actually organic or something. It just says like green letters and says natural or something. I'm like, that's fake. And then all the food in the center of the store is just junk. It's just ultra process junk. It's just no different than going to Walmart. You know what I'm so mad at?

Sprouts. What's wrong with sprouts? I just think they're bad service. No. Every time I go to sprouts, it makes me mad. I like sprouts. Is that your favorite? I love sprouts.

Yeah, we have that in Arizona, so I really like sprouts. Yeah, they really do have horrible. service. No, it's crazy. Oh my gosh. At least in Dallas. Wow. But we do.

That's our grocery store that we go to. Yeah. Is Whole food still okay? Even though they were bought by Amazon? Whole food is fine. But like when it comes to me, I would still say unless you're in a pinch, like the best place to get meat is going to be from your local farmer or rancher. Or like a butcher shop that's sourcing from your local farmers and ranchers for you.

That's going to be the best place because then you have a relationship with that farmer to know truly are your animals grass fed grass finished, you know? are you farming organic? Like you're not going to know that by these places claiming to be grass fed or whatever at Whole Foods. What's the over under on is Siette going to keep its ingredients pure after being bought by Pepsi? Yeah, it'll be fine because they're making so much money. Because I gave my kids a bunch of Siette chips and I said you can eat these but not goldfish because Alex Clark said so. That's right.

So Siette I think is fine because they see the numbers and that would be the stupid. business decision? No. Masa chips sponsors me. Mossa chips sponsors me. Oh, we love Masa. And Moss is way better anyway. I mean, tastewise, I'm just going to tell you that. Like, before they ever sponsored me, I was upset with Mastardis. I think Siette is gross. But, um, yeah, Siette, they're not going to change. Because like, you see that there's an audience. There's a, there's a consumer for this. And like, why would you change the formula? I think that's why they got their valuation too, because I think all these big conglomerates are like, uh-oh. This isn't going away. We've got RFC.

few chocolate. A bunch of these people, Poppy just did. If you ever want to start a brand? I was going to ask you, would you ever want to start a brand? It's funny you bring that up. So, like, do we need to talk off camera?

No, for sure. I have been asked to start thinking about that. I'm in. And I am so out of loss for what that product would be. And I have a few ideas. I have like a list of like four things. I'm like, it could be one of these.

And so I'm like in talks with somebody who's wanting to like do it all for me. Do you trust this person? I don't know. I think maybe. They sound really untrustworthy. Are you guys doing that? Are you guys starting a whole side gig?

No, we talked about how we would only start your brand. Oh. We did talk about that. But I'm a big believer in the whole movement. Yeah. And I would love to. Yeah.

So I would say I think also I get really, I get really hard on myself and I'm like, oh, I can't, I can't launch a product until I have a million followers. Like I'm like that. Like I'm like, nobody, like, I.

How many do you have? like 400 something. No, that doesn't matter. I know, and that's what they're telling me. They're like Alex. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all. If you have 20,000 super passionate people that will talk about it.

I know. Okay, I have one last question for you. I mean, unless you have- some of these rapid fire are great. Well, this is actually just a random question I'm genuinely curious about. So you're part of Turning Point USA. You're doing all these amazing things.

You have culture apothecary, your podcast. You're on, you're dating as well. You say you want to be a mom. If and when you become a mom one day, what are you going to do with all this this like are you going to continue to run it like what kind of what kind of mom do you want to be depends it depends how i feel when i hold that child i might hold that child and say like i'm never going back 100% can happen um what i think is likely is i would

just negotiate to completely change my schedule and what my deal looks like so i am right now like working 24-7 in the office, you know, multiple days a week, traveling constantly. I've traveled into like a new city, new state, like every week for the last two and a half months working. Like that's not sustainable as a mom. So I would probably say I want to, which is what Ali Stucky does. It's what Kana Sowens does. It's like, well, Candace is a little bit different. But, and so is Ali, they live where they podcast. So they'll come in like once a week really quick for like, you know, an hour or two do it and be done. Can you have it upstairs like we do? Yeah, yeah. Or are you.

Exactly, in your house. I would probably want to be like, is there a way? And what's different to about me versus Allie and Candace and we all share audience is that they're doing daily news. So like that requires a different schedule than me. Because I'm just doing interviews. I feel like I can bulk record my month of interviews in like two, three days and then be done the rest of the month. Totally. And like be a mom 98% of the time.

So the kind of mom I want to be is like 98% stay at home mom. and then like you know occasionally every few months like hey we're gonna pay you a lot of money to go speak here okay i'll take that you know we're we're just gonna do this podcast and then you can just bulk record and be done like i would do that but if it ever got to a place where i felt like i felt like i am struggling putting my kids first putting my husband first putting my home first and like i feel like i'm putting more energy into my work and stuff then i'd be like i have to quit this because like i feel Like my family would have to be prioritized first. And if I struggled with being able to manage both,

then like I would have to quit. But yeah. So I think I don't ever, people always want to know like, does the guy you date have to make a certain amount of money? And my answer to that is always, he has to make enough money that I can be a stay-at-home mom if I want. That should be the qualifier for every single young woman.

The man you're dating should be able to afford for you to not have. have to work. Wow. And I think that is like super important. Because 65% of women, they go to college, they get a degree and then they all decide like, oh, I actually want to be home with my kids. But now I can't because now I'm trapped in student debt and I'm a paralegal and how can I quit? And like, I've worked so hard for this. I'm like all tied in. I have no way out. But the reality is if we were talking to more young women high school age before choosing your college degree, hey, you are most likely, statistically,

to choose to want to stay home with your kids. What sort of career? would you go for that would then allow you to kind of pivot and make those decisions in different seasons of life. And that doesn't mean no women can work. It doesn't mean any of that. It just means there are seasons where you might want to be home more than others. Maybe you want to work. You know, when your kids are school age, if you are sending your kids to school, then like, well, then I can go back to work, you know. So I just, I think it looks different for everybody. But what I love about what I do with this job is that I do have that flexibility. If I was a lawyer or a doctor, that would be like a really different. It'd be a different question. I'm really scary. It's really good. My last question,

rapid fire, is have you ever had, so you get a lot of like haters online, just like we all do, have you ever had a real life in person security threat? Oh, that's a good question. Or someone come up to you in real life? I have had people come up to me in real life, but I wouldn't say security threat, but more like a heckler category of like. While you're speaking or something. Yes. So that's different. So I've had that kind of stuff. But not like haters come up to you in person. Never. No,

that hasn't happened yet. I'm talking about like big pharma like. No, but like Charlie. You know. In a Trader Joe's. No, none of that.

Charlie Kirk by boss like I mean, they have to have security 24 seven with them everywhere they go. You know, stuff like that can't S Owens. Like that's a different level. That's like they're famous. Like I don't even think I'm like I'm not famous. I feel like you're known.

You're headed there. No, I'm like known by like a niche audience on the internet. You got show biz written on your forehead. This is like, that's another level. since 2012. I know.

You're in the game. It's funny because the show was like doing well, but it didn't like explode or take off until I rebranded right when Maha happened. Because like I had planned to rebrand into health and wellness two weeks after. I didn't know that was going to happen, but RFK came out and endorsed Trump. And then it was all like conservatism and health and wellness. And my show was the bat show. And so all of a sudden it was like all eyes on me and then, you know, testified at the Senate

and all that. And I didn't know any of that was coming. And then the show exploded. So like I was reading in today the Rolling Stone interview with Sabrina Carpenter. And Sabrina was like, I'm not getting cocky because I've been here 10 years, but really it's only 10 minutes. That's how I feel. Like I've been in this career for what is, what is that 14 years or something like that? Like I've been doing this for so long. But just now like 10 minutes ago, like things are starting to like really like get somewhere. And I'm like I'm like nervous to. Yeah, you never know where it's going to. Yeah. I don't know. And it's just like so new to me. Interesting. Well, we are so excited for you. We're so excited to dismantle the system together. So you just call us.

If we need to be knocking on Big Pharma's door and protesting, we are so there with you. You guys should have been there at Kellogg's. And it's not political. It's about the health of our children. That's right. That's right. Nonpartisan. Anybody should be on board with this.

There's no reason. It is weird to me for anybody to be against the Maha movement. Like you can hate Trump. I understand the arguments for that. Yeah. But to be like, I also like, I'm not on board with Maha, why? Like we really want to bring back Gold Star standard science. We want to really look into everything that we've been doing.

Like, is this really correct? Like, you know, obviously the data shows we're the most sick we've ever been. So something isn't right. You don't want to turn over every stone and look under it and figure out what that is. That says something about you. I think that's weird. I think that's sketchy. Yeah.

I just love it. Let's in this podcast and call our pediatrician. Yeah. Do it. No. You're on the line. I got Bobby Kennedy on the phone. What if we did?

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