De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - We Admit, We Were Wrong.

Episode Date: April 24, 2024

Oh Hello Darlings, Welcome back to our D&J tell all! Just kidding… BUT it really is back to just us this episode and we had so much to catch up on we never even made it through all the segments we had planned for today!! We’re talking about the rager party we threw, Dani has to fall on her sword about a particular app she may or may not have prematurely judged AND we’re OF COURSE talking about Taylor Swift’s new album The Tortured Poets Department and all the decoding, debunking and tea that our in house expert Dani Austin has uncovered. Does Jordan try to stir the pot with the Swifties (Dani) during this conversation? Potentially! But you’ll just have to listen to find out. Plus, our employee dated one of those guys, on one of those groups “Are We Dating the Same Guy?”... Idk you’ll have to tune in for the full story. De-Influencers, you know we love you and all your witty comments and interaction with our socials, so keep it up! If you haven’t, go follow @deinfluencedpodcast on Instagram and TikTok where we aim to provide you with comedic relief that you can share with family or friends who may not know about us. We’d also love for you guys to subscribe to De-Influenced on spotify or wherever you get your podcast so you never miss our incredibly entertaining episodes.  As a special, limited-time offer for our listeners, get 15% off your purchase of a Skylight Frame when you go to SkylightFrame.com/DANI. That’s S-K-Y-L-I-G-H-T-F-R-A-M-E dot com slash DANI. Mother’s Day is coming right up, so order today to get 15% off your purchase at SkylightFrame.com/DANI. WE LOVE YOU!! XOXO

Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. De-influenced. Yeah, it's been an interesting around here. We haven't really caught up with y'all in the past two, three weeks. We had Daisy on the podcast last week. People loved her. She was amazing. I feel like she's going to be like a lifelong friend.

So sweet. So kind. She sent me the sweetest text message after the podcast. Yeah, she's wholesome. I love her. She's a gem. And then what else? Oh, I organized my house for like a week straight.

Oh, here's the thing. Okay, we need to talk. I am human, okay? I make mistakes. I live, I learn, I say things, and then a week later, I'm like, I didn't really mean that. I feel like there was an episode when we talked about TikTok. And I was so savage on that podcast. I just shared my feelings towards the TikTok blog community.

and a lot of it was from PTSD on YouTube. Now, I usually have a rule in my mind. I'm like, don't talk about things unless you've tried them. But this time, I did not obey my own rule. And I just went, like, hardcore about how vlogging on TikTok is so fake and it is so much work. And it's not a true representation of, like, real life. And, but then I also had the same episode was like, but I'm going to be vlogging on TikTok. because like that's where everything is moving.

I'm going to try it out. Y'all, when I tell you that I am obsessed with vlogging on TikTok, the first vlog that I made, I was like so inspired. You would have thought I was Picasso with like a blank canvas. I was like, this is the best thing I'm not. Let me tell you why I loved it so much. First of all, the coolest thing about vlogging on TikTok is you set up a tripod and you don't really have to perform.

People just want to hear the sounds. Like, I'm starting to get it now. When you do stories, you're like talking straight to a camera and you're like, and it just takes energy. But like when you just set up the camera and vlog, I was so, like, I cleaned out my closet and did like a vlog clean out my closet. And it was so fun. I had like the best time of my life.

Wow. I was so inspired. But then I was like, oh my gosh, I'm such a hypocrite because I was just like, trapping all over this concept and now I'm loving it. You know I've been like creatively inspired. Yeah, I've, I have sense from you that you feel like it is actually less performative. Um, yes, like, don't get me wrong. There are the times when you set up the tripod, you have to get in bed and like act like you're waking up or there's the time that like you set up the tripod and you go up the stairs. But like when I was doing it, it was like more like artsy. I felt like I was like,

I am so artsy right now. Like, oh my gosh. I was like, I have such a vibe. Like I was not thinking of it as like fake it was like let me get this cool shot where like the stairs are perfectly aligned and like you know what I mean well you remember like a kC nine set on exactly he his challenge was always like how can I would just me and one camera make a story out of every day and he would like set him set the tripod up he would do all this stuff and now it's like everyone's a casey nine stat exactly um it's still a lot of work and my vlogs on ticot are like not doing that well but they're so fun I don't even care you know um So it's just been a cool new style, something fun to like, I don't know, experiment with. But yeah, people seem to like it.

You know, there was a time, you know, maybe three weeks ago where it was like, how can we sustain this? Because it just, the content style of it needed an evolution and we were tired of the old chapter. Right, right. So maybe kind of tell us like what was the old chapter in your mind now and like what is freeing about this new chapter? Well, to be totally fair, we had a call with meta last week. And you know, like whenever you see like those TikToks, it's like five things I learned from my call with meta. One, you know, like, well, those calls of meta actually do happen because we just got on one. And it was so helpful and like enlightening to hear like what Instagram is doing with their platform and like how their changes and how they change the algorithm, like directly affect us on a daily basis.

Right. And so what was working for us three years ago is just different now. It changes. And I'm okay with like change and staying on my toes and having to pivot. But it's just like there's a lot more on the line now when I change. Like I have two kids. We have a we have divvy. We have all these things that like.

And so it's just it's harder to steer the ship, you know? And so I think I was just feeling like the weight of that. Yeah. The weight of like, of like, yeah, let's change. But then I feel like I'm dragging everybody this way. And then I'm like, wait, that didn't worry. Let's go back this way. And it's just like emotionally hard.

Yeah. So I wouldn't say I'm like, I'm like not feeling inspired in terms of creating content. I just feel like it feels heavier. It doesn't feel as like fun because it just feels like there's more on the line. Yeah. And so what I will say is when I started doing these vlogs, there was so much autonomy again because I was like, I don't need you. I don't need you. I don't need my tripod.

Yeah. No, I think that I think that's probably like really freeing for you. Yeah. And then it was like also like I also get to do things that because we're also doing stories. I post in real time. If you all watch my stories, everything is posted in real time within the next probably three minutes to three hours. Like rarely do we hold the stories. If we hold the stories and post at night, it's only because like we literally were in something all day. When I vlog, I can just do everything like actually live in the moment and just like let the tripod capture it. And then work when I need to work. You know? And that was like really that was really freeing too. Yeah, I feel like it's, you know, I mentioned this to you yesterday. I was like, man, I feel like this whole transition is a godsend because for me, what I was feeling in old chapter, old chapter being three weeks ago, was like I, chapter is moving like weeks for us. Oh yeah, it's like, what are they, dog years?

Dog years. Yeah, it's like being a content creator is like dog years. But I was feeling just a lack of overall presence. And that was like the push and pull the rub for me as I was like, man, our kids are getting older, like they know when we're being present and when we're not, like when we have our phones and when we don't. And there's just something about this new chapter that feels like we can do both again. And so I feel very inspired. Like I was kind of getting pretty cynical and jaded towards just creating content because I didn't see a way for the two to mix for a long time.

Right. And now I'm kind of like watching you and, you know, the example that you're setting of like, hey, like I'm going to be a mom, but boom, here's the tripod. And it is capturing, it's like I'm getting to live our real lives and you're just capturing it. And then honestly, the biggest part, like you said, is we're just dealing with it later. Right. We don't, I don't, no one has to disappear from, for an hour to go post the content and miss the lunch or miss the brunch or, you know, miss the, the, the moments or the jokes with the family, all that kind of stuff. It's, it's all like, well, let's let everyone go to bed and then we'll deal with it. What were the tips that the girlfriend META gave to us on that phone call? Um, you know, it's so funny that I'm not saying it wasn't

valuable, but my takeaway wasn't that it was like as valuable as maybe you're seeing it. Oh, that is so helpful. Yeah, I think when it came to stories, like that was probably my biggest rub is like I really wanted answers. I was like, hey, what is what is meta's plan for Instagram stories? Because, you know, we've trained our audience and we've, we've sort of built a lifestyle around capturing our lives on stories. And her response that I remember was like, you know, this is what I've been trying to talk to the product we're talking about. And that's frustrating because it's like basically what is happening is meta is so big

now that even the product managers are probably a little bit more disconnected from like the actual like dev teams. And so she, I think she's going to help us and she's going to go run, you know, up the ladder and try and get the answers. But she doesn't really know what the plan for Instagram stories are. Yeah. I mean, you're right. It's changing so much and they're incorporating some new things that we couldn't we're not allowed to talk about yeah we did see AI came out like their AI search bar came out which was cool um but it was really like neat that they actually were like we are calling you half because we want to help but half because we want to listen to you and they're very aware that we like use instagram to run our business the biggest thing i was

like are you all going to keep links and they're like yes of course like we understand that you do brand deals we under get so the nice thing is like links are not going anywhere. They understand that stories are kind of being deprioritized in the algorithm right now. It seems like what's kind of happening, like you said the democratization. How do you say it?

Democritization. Democritization of creators. It's like kind of, it doesn't matter how many followers you have anymore. It's like anyone can go viral. So you just kind of keep on using trending sounds. You keep on posting. You stay consistent.

She was saying that, you know, the most important KPI's or metrics now are views and shares. Like, likes don't really mean anything anymore. She's like everyone gets so gung-ho on their likes, but just people aren't interacting in that way anymore. Now they're sharing videos through DMs or sharing. So like that's kind of the best way to measure if your video is going to do well or not is views and shares, not even comments. Yeah. You know. My biggest like sort of what I was an advocate for.

I think all of us, like as creators on Instagram, was I was like, listen, I understand that TikTok is all about content. It will feed you like a conveyor belt, the most entertaining content that relates to you in that moment. But if you like ask someone who watches a lot of TikToks, they might have like three creators that they can actually know their names. A lot of the times it's very, what is that employee? The employee who came to our divvy thing, she called it parisocial. It's like, oh, I've seen you a lot, but I can't remember your name. So it's not a community-based platform right now. See, you always say that.

I kind of disagree with you. Okay, why? I think I've found some like three or four TikTokers that are building insane communities and there are a lot of them are funneling like they're really strong followers to Instagram. But TikTok, like fame and TikTok like creators creating that community is happening. On natively on TikTok as a platform?

See, I think they funnel them to Instagram. So what I was trying to tell Instagram, the product person in Instagram is like, you guys are the community platform. And so right now what I feel like Instagram is trying to do is they're trying to emulate TikTok so much. TikTok is about like top of funnel. It's about reach. It's about reaching new people, hooking them, you know, getting them intrigued. But then if they really want to follow you, like I feel like the best platform in terms of Instagram stories, in terms of like the actual functions of the platform is Instagram. No, I agree with you.

but I think TikTok is like keeping up. Like they have stories now. They have DMs. Yeah. You see more people doing, you know, Alex Earl will clean out her closet. And then the next real, she's giving away the dress to one of her followers. Like that's creating community. And then what's happening is like people are like, okay, inspired by Alex Earl, I got the same nails.

And like that's all over TikTok. Like that's, that is community. Yeah. So it definitely is happening. It's just happening in like terms of like being tagged and like, creating content that somebody inspired you to create. Yeah. You know, like, oh, I got my hair cut, like the Alex Earl cut or the Alex Earl

light or whatever. Yeah. So it's happening over there too. No, and I guess the one thing I will say is like even after our phone call with meta, I feel like TikToks, so we kind of had two interesting things happen in a very close proximity. One, we had this call with meta, the product person. But then we also had an employee and she was on the business team, employee at

TikTok come to one of our Divi events and it just happened that she worked at TikTok. And so I feel like we got insight from both sides. And what I will say is I think that TikTok is innovating so much faster than meta. Yeah. Their algorithm is insane. Their algorithm is insane. They, but they are competing with Amazon, which is so strange. Like, you know, they're not here to be the world's biggest social media platform.

Like who they, they're not looking at meta and saying we want to be meta. They're looking at like Amazon and saying we want to be the number one like shopping platform. Like we want to connect commerce and content creators, which is so interesting. It's just going to change the whole incentive. I think that's why like TikTok shop is blowing up. Like what is that doing for the community and the content that you're seeing? People are super incentivized to be like selling things to you all the time. But their stuff on TikTok shop is so janky.

I know. But it's going to evolve. Like this is just like early days. So I don't know. The most important thing is like I'm happy that we have found an unlock for us to balance like life and your job. We've unlocked this secret to life. But it's so everything moves so fast that it's almost like every week we are learning something new. True.

And last thing I'll say is that, you know, at Stratton's birthday, which we'll talk about in a second, all of the bloggers that came over and all of their husbands, they are all feeling this. So like I think there's probably a lot of Instagram creators that are listening to this podcast and feel the same doom in insecurity that like we have felt, you know, relatively speaking at different scales. But everyone's kind of feeling the same thing. But there's really no reason we feel that way. It's not like we are looking at these charts and it's like everything is declining. It just is like a feeling.

Wouldn't you just say? It's like a gut feeling of like we know there was a gut feeling two years ago that Instagram was everything. That's where everyone was. like you could just like feel the energy and now I don't I'm not feeling that energy as much and so we're all just like okay where where's everything going and I think it just kind of makes you question where you're at because things change so fast and if we're not questioning ourselves you're going to be left behind yeah I think everyone's worried about getting left behind but I do

think that we had a very artificial like ride to the top if you will because we had COVID like happening which means that everyone's plugged into their phone and yes TikTok blew up you know during that time too but Instagram was like huge during that and then Number two is like the difference in climate right now is like on Instagram when like the Instagram influencers were big, the zeitgeist, which I keep saying because I think TikTok uses that term, which is like what is in vogue? Like what is in culture right now? It was controlled by like, call it 50 influencers.

Like 50 influencers could talk about the same thing. And then that would be the zeitgeist. So what was popular was controlled by Instagram. Now what is popular and in the zeitgeist is totally. controlled by TikTok. So I think that energy we feel like we're lacking is that the zeitgeist is just more distributed across like a mass platform now. So it makes us feel, yeah, it makes us feel like, oh my gosh, does my say even matter anymore? Do you get what I'm saying? Totally. It's like there's no such thing as like a mega influencer. There is, but like it's

not on Instagram. It's distributed across thousands of creators. It really just depends on the video. It's like anyone could post, you could have a hundred followers. and your video could blow up bigger than mine, and we have 2.3 million. It doesn't matter how many followers you have. I mean, but the difference is, is like,

I think that because we've been doing it for so long, you have people that come back that, like, we've taken care of, they know that you're going to be posting, they know more about your life. But like, in terms of actual views on like your hard work, you don't know what's going to happen. Right.

There's not as much control. Yeah, that makes sense. I don't think anyone... I'm exhausted just thinking about it. I don't think either you nor I, is like, oh, well, I feel, I feel doom and gloom or I feel a lack of relevance because, like, you know, we're not the zeitgeist leader anymore. I think it's more about like two things are happening.

One is it's being just, you know, distributed across thousands of creators. So what is, what are the masses talking about? So we don't have control about that anymore. Yeah. And then number two is at the same time, I feel like Instagram is crippling the ability for us to take care of the community we've already built. So it's like a kind of a double whammy for most like people who started on Instagram and are trying to move to TikTok. Yep.

If you started on TikTok and you're moving to Instagram, like God bless you, you got a great ride out of you. Yeah. Like it's a way easier ride than I think the opposite. Yeah, totally. Well, that's so interesting. How has it been like with me being sick the past four or five days? Are you miserable? Is this a trick question?

Are you a miserable man? I'm not a miserable man. Okay. I feel like it's been hard on you. No, I mean, we miss you. Yeah. Like, I mean, I went to church with the kids. We went to birdies.

But, like, I mean, we miss you. And I think that, honestly, what is hardest about you being sick is how you feel about yourself being sick. Like, it's like you, I know that you want to be out of bed. And I know that you want to be moving. And I know that you don't want to be like. Well, it's kind of impossible to be like laying in bed with two kids. Right. But I know that you want.

But I feel like I feel like. I've carried, like, I've let you do that. You have, you have. Yeah. But I know that in your mind, you, you want to be sprinting and running and playing and doing all the things that you do. And so, like, I feel like sometimes, like, what's hardest about you being sick is, like, I want to fix it, but I can't.

And so your energy is, it's not, it's, yeah, I just, when you're sad, I'm sad, right? So it's like, and I can't make you happy. So like I know that you feel doom. Yeah. Well, I, um, am I right? Yeah, I was really anxious. So, you know, this is crazy that this is happening. But speaking of all this Taylor Swift talk, tonight, I am headed to Vegas with my mother,

Tornado, because Tornado was chosen as a QVC ambassador. They are celebrating women of over 50, the age of possibility is their hashtag. And they've chosen, like, I think it could be 30 to 50. I don't know how many women. But women to kind of help celebrate. And my mom was chosen along with Queen Latifah, Martha Stewart, Donna Kelsey. Let's see, Kathy Lee Grifford. She's on The Today Show.

I mean, just like these amazing powerhouse women. And so it's in Las Vegas where they're celebrating. My mom's going to do a panel. She's going to do a live show with Donna Kelsey, like a live taping. And I was going to go out for like a day with her. And then like two days ago, we get an email or invited to Martha Stewart's brunch. And I'm like, your girl can't miss that, you know. So that's happening to around morning.

So I kind of like shifted the flights, shifted all the hotel rooms. So my mom and I are going to be going to Vegas, which is really sweet and really special because I did have a little moment where I got a little emotion. yesterday because thinking about like how much my mom dropped for me growing up I mean just growing up even just doing sports or Girl Scouts or dance or whatever it was and my mom dropped everything for those for all my activities but then even going into college and even to this day where my mom when I first started my YouTube channel like I didn't know you I don't know you I don't know who you were and like I'm out there trying to do brand deals actually I'm not even

getting brand deals and I'm trying to like get outfit pictures and I'm just kind of like this nerdy little girl my mom would drive all the way from Dallas to Austin three hours three and a half hours shoot four or five outfits for me and then drive back home like she would just drop everything to be there for me so it was really because I'm not going to lie I'm not feeling 100% right now I'm feeling pretty sick and I'm sad to leave my kids for almost four days but I was like I mean this is like the least that I can do. And I really am. It's going to be amazing.

And it's going to be so much fun. And I'm so proud of her. But I was like, man, this is the least I can do. Yeah. Y'all will have a blast. No, we're going to have a blast.

I'm not worried about it. But it's just like unfortunate circumstances. I wish I was feeling a little bit better. Can I give you a tip for in Vegas? Okay. So you're going to be around a lot of heavy hitters. Yeah. And I read this tip on Twitter.

It would tell me. The key when you go up to someone like Martha Stewart or Donna Kelsey or Queen Latifah is to not ask them, about the obvious, you have to do some research on the front end to find something that they're interested in that no one ever talks about. So I'll be like, Donna, what do you think about Taylor's new album? Yeah, don't. No, no. Like, you need to find like she's really into knitting and be like, you know, Donna, I heard that you're really into knitting. Tell me more about that. And she'll go off because these people are so used to being asked the obvious questions that when you can find the

work around. Like with Martha Stewart, ask her how her stint in the clink was. You don't think that that's what everyone asks her. I think it's probably taboo. You should definitely ask her. I wonder what Martha would say. She'd be like, hey, listen, I've listened to a couple episodes of ear hustle, which is about prisoners. How is the food in prison? Truly. Martha, this food's phenomenal. What was your favorite meal in prison? You're like, just nudge or be like, but anything's better than prison. Right. Am I right? No, but maybe you should ask her about like, hey, I just want to know as someone who's been canceled before has gotten a lot of hate on the internet.

I just want to know that I want you to know, I'm proud of you for rehabilitating your image. Yeah. I mean, typically what I lead with instead of the prison talk is more so like, how do you do it all? How do you're like, do so much, like especially as a mom and a wife. I don't know if she's a mom. Or like Queen Latifah. you should like find a really obscure movie that she was in that not a lot of people ask her about. The holiday.

So that's not obscure. Yeah. See too many people probably ask her about that. What was she in taxi cab? Was she in taxi? Yeah. Like with Jimmy Fallon. You should ask her about that.

But the thing on Twitter that I read was it was about the founder of Airbnb and someone who really wanted to like build a relationship with him. And so instead of going up and asking about like how's business or whatever, he found out that he was really into like microplastics at the time and was like, like really concerned about microplastics being in a lot of things. And so he talked to him about that and then it butted into a whole relationship. How am I going to find out these these little things are doing? You got to research. You got a sleuth. Okay. To me that would be kind of creepy if someone came up to me and was like,

so I heard that you're really into. No, you got to do it casually. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It's really, it's honestly great. Yeah. It's probably one of, I think I naturally do this a lot. It's going to be hard for me not to mention Taylor to Donna Kelsey. I'm not going to be. You can't, though. No, I know. I know. I know. I'm not going to. be that girl, but it's going to be hard. Honestly, because she knows that that's like her whole brand right now. Like you got to like, it's got to going deep. I want to ask her like, because she's, it's just the Kelsey brothers, right? Mm-hmm. Or maybe they have a sister. Oh, that'd be good. If they had a sister or something, yeah, you'd be like, how's your daughter doing? And she'd be like, thank you for asking.

You know what it asks. Yeah. Yeah, how do you think Taylor's brother feels? Everyone forgets about him. Was his name Austin? Uh-huh. Yeah, poor guy. He's around too, you know? She never writes in. He's on about him. But I'm sure that most of these people who are very fame adjacent, like have siblings that are famous, like, they're probably like, man, I'm so glad I don't have that. You think? I think so. You don't think that they feel like super less than? I feel like they do. Maybe. Yeah. You think so? It might create an expectation, but I think there's a lot of things that they see that comes with the lifestyle of fame and people knowing you are that they're like, man, I'm glad I don't have that.

Well, I do want to get into Taylor Swift and all of her songs that you didn't listen to. But let's see. What else went on? Oh, we had Stratton's birthday party, which was really a hit. I mean, that might have been one of my favorite parties we've ever thrown. It was a rager. It was started porn rain and people thought, oh, we shouldn't go. This party's going to be lame.

We were like, no, we're pivoting the bounce house inside. Yeah. And it was a hit. People stayed. We had to kick them out. No, halfway through, like I looked around. I'm like, this is a literal rager. Yeah.

Like babies running around everywhere, parents having the time of their lives, everything, I liked the fact that everything was inside because we were all so close together. It felt so intimate. You know, I got to talk to everyone twice. Yeah. I made my rounds. The kids were stumbling out of the party, stumbling out of our house, just hopped up on apple juice.

It was. The topochika was flowing for the adults. I mean, the Diet Coke. It was a lot of fun. Stratton is two now. We were so worried about his milestones, but then I was going to say something. We were so worried about his milestones, but then we took him lunch today and told all the other kids in his class. We're like, he's good.

It's true. I mean, I don't know. I don't know if we keep it in, but it's true. Let me just tell you. Jordan got in the garage, he goes, I'm not so concerned anymore. Well, I was like, I literally walked into his classroom and I was like, who's the oldest kid in this room? And you kept asking that. I was like, it's so obvious why you're asking this, fam.

Well, I wanted to know. Also, the teachers do not speak English. And, like, Jordan cannot wrap his mind around the fact that these teachers do not speak English. And he keeps talking to them in English. And I'm like, they're like, huh? And I'm like, Jordan, they go to Spanish school. You did go to the bathroom and I go, oh, she's in the banjo.

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Can I tell you one of the craziest stories coming out of FLC? Yes. It had nothing to do really with Divi or the business. Okay. So, okay, here's what happened on TikTok. talk. So this ex-wife of someone named Charles Withers basically posts and she's like, I have been trying to divorce my husband for two years, let's say. And he abandoned our family, left me with the kids, changed his number, blocked all of like my social medias and just

truly disappeared. All I want is to divorce this man. Has anyone seen him? She can't get a hold of him. She posts a picture. And he is a one-year-old daughter or a kid. So she posts a picture. And so the internet being the internet and females being so strong and just collaborative, this guy has been dating people all around the country and they start coming out of the woodwork. And they're like, I saw him here and I saw him here and I saw him here. Okay. So the craziest part of the story, it came to it ahead.

Like she found him and probably ruined his life. But it came to a head for us, we were sitting at dinner at this great. Greek restaurant, what's it called? Taverna Opa. It's the best place in Orlando. If you want to see some belly dancers. If you want to see some belly dancers. One of the girls on our team was talking to him on a social media app. Craziness. That's really the end of the story. But is that not crazy? This guy went all over the place. And it's just like I struggle to understand how you can be that deeply like maniacal and that much of a pathological liar to not think that you're going to get caught. Yeah, you're a terrible person if you

abandon your family and never talk to them again. No, you, like there's no excuse whatsoever. Like, you are. Yeah. I mean, to me, it's just like, how cool is the internet, right? Yeah, a bunch of like random PIs almost. Apparently they found him very fast too. And he's a celebrity chef. So a lot of people were actually finding his place of work. He works on the set, uh, for the, the Taylor Sheridan from Yellowstone. It's his chef. And so he's like, hey, Liston, like, you're going to, like, not just ruin my life. Like, I work for very private people.

Yeah, well, you should have thought of that before you banning your family. Yeah, you think. But then people were commenting and were like, what if she was abusive and he was trying to escape her and hide from her? And then we just, everyone told. No, you don't leave the daughter. You never, you never leave the kids. Okay.

But that was like the coolest story from Apple C. It's craziness. telling you. It's crazy out there. Moving on to probably the most anticipated viral spiral of this week. I want to talk about the tortured poets department

Taylor Swift's new album. That was a little bit of a shocker to me. I'm not going to lie when she, I'm like, okay, here we go. We're going to have probably 12 to 15 songs to get through and then she releases 31 new songs. Yeah, it's crazy that she used AI. Oh my gosh.

Where is that rumor coming from? I honestly don't know. I think someone told me about it in Austin. So. But think about it. It makes sense. Drake just came out with a song that has an AI version of Tupac and someone else. And it's all AI.

So it like mimicked their voice and put it on a track. So people were saying that the lyrics are written by AI or it's Taylor Swift's Voice is AI. Because I think the argument, and it's a great, it's a great argument. Here's, hear me out. No, I think they're saying that the lyrics are written by AI. She's on tour. No, no, no.

Well, maybe one or both, but I think it's both. She's on tour. You don't actually, though, do you? She's on tour. Do you actually, they'll look at me in the eyes? Let me just finish. We know our queen, and we know what she does and what she doesn't do. And honestly, like, she doesn't have, like, that grade of a voice anyway.

Like, she would admit it. It's, like, not an insult. Like, she's a record. Okay, but hear me out for a second. How many songs are on this album? And also, these lyrics are way too personal and intimate and vulnerable. And honestly, like, kind of make Taylor look bad at certain points for AI to write it. Just ain't.

She's so, like, savage on this album. But how many songs are on that album? Okay, let me just tell you something. You know how I spoke about TikTok vlogging before I ever actually did it? Maybe you shouldn't talk about Taylor's supposed songs before you listen to them. There's not that many bops, though, right? Like they're all kind of like, they're all kind of like, what's her other album, Evermore? So here's the thing with Taylor's New Direction.

Okay, so it's very Lana Del Rey inspired in terms of her voice. In terms of the actual songs, it's very synthy, which when you use like, like, you don't use as many instruments and it's more like synths and stuff. Like, it's harder to remember the tune of the song or the beat of the song because it's just also like, they kind of all sound the same in a certain sense. But like we all know this like before anyone comments about Taylor Swift, what she's actually good at is writing lyrics. She's a good songwriter.

She is like a genius when it comes to storytelling. And that's what she's really known for. So when people are like, I just, it gives me. Okay, just hear my argument out. One of her lines says, you smoked then ate seven bars of chocolate slash we declared Charlie Puth should be a bigger artist. Because Maddie Healy wrote the song, chocolate, babe. If you listened or you knew anything you would know. But see, this is the thing, is that if I was Taylor Swift and her team. Did not chocolate. You know that song? Okay, can I just

be cynical for, give me like 60 seconds to be cynical. Okay. I'm going to not say anything. Yeah, because you've interrupted every one of my theories. Okay. So like, because I know everything. Okay. So Taylor Swift, how many songs are on this album? At 30, well, both 31. Okay, 31. Yes or no, they all are kind of about the. same. Like they're kind of stylistically a little bit more chill. They're more, it's more poetry than it is like actual like a, an anthem, right? There's probably three that are bops. Okay, three that are bops of 31. Okay. So, and she produced this album and

came out with it while being on tour. Yeah. Yeah. He's a beast. Okay. Because she's a beast. So think about it for a second, though. If AI was capable of emulating Taylor's voice and helping her co-write songs, AI would write a lyric like, you smoked then eight seven bars of chocolate slash we declared Charlie Puth should be a bigger artist. No, I wouldn't. That is such an AI line. That's so random.

It would never write that. That's the most random thing ever. That's probably a conversation that she actually had with Maddie Healey. Talking about Charlie Puth and chocolate and, And all these things. It's like so. Do you know what an LLM is? It's like a language model.

And what you can do is you can start training your own LL. I think they're called LLM's language models, right? So what you can do is you can. Yeah, but these details are too much. You promise. You promise. You can literally feed all of the lyrics into an AI machine. Okay.

And it can create a language model that starts to write and think and understands the themes and the styles of Taylor Swift. Like, there's no way that she hasn't even thought about training her own LLM model. Okay. So hold on, hold on, hold. There's two versions. How do we get the lyrics? Okay, so you can train an LLM model with all of her past artists.

You can even say things like dated Maddie Healy do this. And now AI can Google things for you. It can pull things out of pop culture, right? It can go read a daily mail article and say, But these are details that no one knows about. Right, but what I'm saying is Taylor Swift can input these. Why wouldn't she just write? Like, no.

Okay. So then that's one is how do you get the lyrics? Then number two is, and I don't know really where this technology sits, but I know that a lot of podcasters can now start like training a vocal like AI to where it's like, like have you seen a lot of presidential speeches from other countries or like being translated into English and it's like actually mimicking the vocal inflections of the speech and stuff. I have not, but I believe you. It's pretty crazy stuff, what I'm saying. And so like you have, could she use AI to write her lyrics? Yes. Could she use AI to emulate her voice? Maybe.

Yeah. And if I was her and her team, I was Tree Pain, which maybe I should be. If I was Tree Pain, I would be sitting here and I would be saying, because you know there's competition out there. You know that Taylor Swift, when someone else is getting their zeitgeist moment, you know that she does not like that. Yeah. I know you think she's like Sweet Taylor. No, I don't think she's savage. No, she's savage. I mean, her and Olivia.

Even Drake just said she's the biggest gangster in the industry. Yeah, because she is. I mean, you don't get to the top of that. So Beyonce drops an album. Okay. And she's like, uh-uh. She's like, I'm calling on my LLM. She's like, I need to put an album out.

It needs to fit these themes. I need to kind of have it sort of maybe wonder if it's a, about Joe, but really be about Travis. There's just no, either she is a robot. We're not writing about Joe anymore, though. Just so you know, we're on to Maddie. Like 75, 80% of the songs are about Maddie Healy. No, I know.

But do you. Just for a second, can you take off your rose-colored glasses and see that my theory might be possible? I get the theory, especially when it comes to maybe her voice being AI. Okay. I'm not, and honestly, I wouldn't even be mad about it. Because I don't listen. What? No, I don't listen to her for her voice. This is not like Adele. Like I am listening to her for her lyrics and for for the song, the finished product. I would be very upset if AI wrote her lyrics. But I really don't think that they did. Because I think that there's so many personal little things. Like it would take so much work for her to input all of that. And to be honest, it's like that is her job. She loves to write. Like that's what she does every single day. You and I go to work every day. She goes to work every day. And she's

writing. I don't like, you know, I don't think she's producing. She does produce a lot of her music, but I don't think she's working on like the most of like the composing and producing, but I think she's writing her lyrics. Like where would she even have even had time to record this? She has so much time on the road. But to record it is what I'm saying. Like where do you go into and work with Jack Antonoff? They have a lot of pictures of her like leaving her studio in New York. Okay. A lot. I only know because it's all over my Instagram feed because it's all I follow. It's so sad. But you got to admit, like, there's some hungry aspirational artist that's listening to this podcast,

and he's like, that's what I'm going to do. Yeah. And the other thing about, this is the last thing I want to address is like the folklore of her lyrics. Because, like, you say that the line you smoked it in eight, seven bars of chocolate, you're like, oh, well, that's because Maddie Healy has a song about chocolate, right? but her the the folklore of Taylor Swift is now so large that she could put out the number 27 and literally her fandom would just trace back all these crazy connections and so it's like hasn't she even admitted like Taylor Swift is not Taylor Swift like it is taken on a mind of its own right? And so it's like all these things that you attach meaning to and associate oh well she's a genius because she did this. I think the genius is now created by the fandom.

It's not even created by Taylor's Shub. Now, she might have like... I think 20% of it, yes, is. But I think that like the other 80% she is actually connect, like creating these like puzzle pieces and wants there to be this mystique and like us to put things together.

Like she is kind of controlling this very mysterious narrative that we have to piece together. Okay, see, I think it's flipped. I think it's 80% the fandom, 20% her. But... Yeah, I would agree with you. But like after Friday, spending all day, listening to all the lyrics and dissecting every single one of them.

Like I've, like, no. She is alluding to or alluding to interviews, past photos, past experiences. Like, she is writing very specific. A lot of them are kind of literal and then a lot of them are metaphors. But like, they add up. Yeah. Well, don't tell Donna I said any of this stuff. No, I mean, she's like, we're cool.

I promise. You and Donna? Yeah, we won't say anything. Okay. In less than 24 hours following its release, it became Spotify's most stream album in a single day so far in 2024, 300 million streams in one day.

Fortnite, the album's lead single, became most streamed song in a day. And I thought I'd go over some of, like, my favorite songs slash just, like, what these songs are about. So my first, my personal favorite song is, who's afraid of little old me? So good.

Like, you feel every, everything in the song. It's amazing. Um, okay, so Fortnite is the one with Post Malone. A lot of of people were upset because they wanted more of Post Malone. I think whenever Taylor Swift does collaborations like this, like this was more of like not, it was kind of like a duet, but it's more like, hey, post Malone just come and harmonize with me. It's not like you came in and he wrote the song. Um, so that one is so obviously about Maddie Healy, Fortnite being two weeks together because they had a very short relationship. So Long London was Track 5,

and if you guys know, Taylor Swift always puts her most vulnerable, sad songs as Track 5 on all of her albums. Oh. You didn't know that? No. Oh, my God. So So Long London is probably the most vulnerable on the album.

And it's basically saying goodbye to London, goodbye to Joe Allen. But Daddy, I Love him about Maddie Healy, obviously. she also realizes like throughout her songs when she's writing about Maddie Healy how like she talks about how like he wears this like Jehovah's Witness suit Jehovah's Jehovah's Witness suit

He makes jokes that are like he always takes a little too far Like but she's always kind of defending his character Even though everyone kind of like doesn't approve of him But she you know loves him She has a song called I Can Fix Him No really I can That's also about Maddie Healy. This one was interesting.

I can do it with a broken heart. It's kind of like more of a bop. That one, she is talking about how she can go on tour and she can do everything with a smile on her face, even though she feels like she's dying inside from this breakup. And like she can basically, like, she's very strong and she can still work whenever she is in pain emotionally.

This one, oh my gosh, thank you, Amy, about Kim Kardashian, which she capitalized the words, Kim and thank you Amy. People are like kind of upset because they're like, why is she still bringing up this drama with Kim Kay so long ago? I don't know. I just think it's like something when you, Taylor Swift is dramatic and when she's sitting down and writing and she thinks about probably the most painful experience in her life,

it is that. So it's hard to get over. It's hard to like when you're not sitting and like sitting in your fields and thinking about like it's like a monumental like moment. And after that whole thing with Kim Kay happened, Taylor Swift, like, she was never the same. She came back a little bit, like, harder, more vulgar, more, like, savage. Like, she's never been, like, the sweet, innocent girl.

Because she can't be, because people would hate her even more. Yeah. You know. You have two songs about Travis Kelsey that are obviously about her, her, him, the albatross in so high school. They both get, like, a little raunchy, not going to lie. You have the tortured poet's department about Maddie Healy. you have down bad guilty as sin loss of my life smallest man that ever lived those are all about mattie healy i don't know how many you've listed but i think you're pretty much just listening to

the whole album at this point yeah it's what i'm saying no fresh out the slammer is about her breakup with joe and how she's getting ready to marry or getting ready to love mattie hilly now there's an interesting theory about i'm going to get you back um do you know about the drama between olivia rodrigo and Taylor Swift. No. Well, let me tell you. Because Olivia Rodrigo, you know, she kind of blew up in 2021 driver's license went everywhere. Then, you know, she had.

That song. That song slaps. Amazing, right? That song's amazing. So then she had her sour album. She had deja vu, which she basically, like, in a Rolling Stone interview, said that was, she was inspired by Cruel Summer, like the bridge of Coral Summer. And she, Olivia Rodrigo has like been the biggest Taylor Swift fan like at like for years.

You know, she's doc like, like I used to follow Olivia whenever like Taylor Swift would like like one of her photos. Like Olivia would take a screenshot and post it on her feed. Like she was, but then Olivia started to kind of blow up. And of course, you know how people do it. Like they started to pit these two women against each other or comparing them. Well, after Olivia released her album, Sour, I believe, there were two songs that like weeks later showed Taylor Swift had writing or had credits in.

So essentially what happened, and Olivia kind of confirmed this, was like, Olivia was called out for using, I believe it was New Year's Day and Cruel Summer kind of used some of like Taylor Swift's sort, like part of the song and like re-did it for her own song. And it never gave her credit.

And Olivia says, you know, I was new to the industry. I didn't understand how like the business side of things worked. But ever since then, their relationship has kind of like not been the same. So Taylor's in theory mad because she Taylor Swift's people in theory like called Olivia and we're like we need Taylor's just needs to be like credited on these two songs, which when you're given credit on songs like you also financially are like received millions of dollars. Like these are two massive songs, you know. And so So since then, you know, like Olivia kind of backed off Taylor Swift, like, didn't go to her Eros tour when she was like a certified, like, obsessive fan. Anyway, then you have like little small things like Taylor Swift on her Europe tour, leg of the tour, said that Sabrina Carpenter would be opening for her.

And Sabrina is like, you know, Olivia Rodriguez's like arch nemesis. But anyway, people think that I'm going to get you back is kind of like, inspired. by Olivia Rodriguez. Like, so Taylor's saying, I'm going to get you back? Because, I mean, it's such a, she's like a young girl. Yeah, I know. I don't know if I believe it, but like the way that she, so I'm going to get you back, she took out all the spaces in between the words, which like apparently Olivia does too.

But apparently some songs on 1975. See, that's what I'm saying is like, I just don't, I can't believe that she's not somewhat petty. Taylor Olivia Taylor No she 100% is That's what I was saying I do think that And then Olivia wrote a song called

Oh People think that vampire is about Taylor Swift Yeah Because it's like You kind of suck me dry Like you take all Like all you care about is fame And you say that you're gonna like

Lift other women up But like at the same time You're just like a vampire Yeah I could see it because Taylor probably saw and Olivia like, oh my gosh, she could be the next me. Well, I think we all kind of were thinking that.

And so I think that she probably helped her enough to like protect her image, but like probably secretly tried to destroy her enough to like make sure that she like always bowed. Babe, are you getting into the tears of drama? No, no, I'm just saying I see how this happens. Like I've seen it before. I know. So anyway.

And honestly it's like females. Like I've seen the way like competitive females work and I'm like, like, dang, you guys are vicious. Do you think that there's a lot of competitive influencers in industry? Yes, I think every single one of you are competitive. Like every single one of you. You think like my friends are competitive? Like your friend friends or like your industry friends?

Both. No, not not. Here's what I think. I think it's like a culture of like, there's genuine love and genuine support. As long as you stay on the bottom and raise my foot. No, no, no. I'm not saying that you're perpetuating it.

Like, I'm not saying that you're the tailors. No, not mean. I'm saying it's like, I think when everyone gets home and comparison starts to seek in, and everyone feels all the insecurities that come with being a creator, I think that you guys are like competitive with each other. Yeah. Because everyone's like, no one knows what the top even looks like. So it's like y'all are all clawing towards this invisible Mount Everest.

That would be a Taylor Swift lyric. Yeah, I mean, she should. I mean, honestly, I would be a really great addition to her team. I feel like I'll manage her Reddit. Yeah. Well, enough Taylor Swift talk. I know I don't want to annoy all the people. There was one other thing I was going to say.

Hold on. Let me see if I'm here. Taylor Swift. Oh, this might be a whole other thing. But when we were watching the Fortnite video, did she admit that she was an alcoholic? No, I think that she says in the lyric, I was a alcoholic, like, struggling alcoholic until you noticed my new aesthetic.

I think that I don't think she's like an actual true alcoholic. Oh, because that's the only thing that explains this Maddie Healy guy to me. I think she just went through like phases of partying. But then I think when she went on tour, when she goes on tour, she talks about how she doesn't like quote unquote party because she's like, there's like an actual quote from Rolling Stone. She's like, I don't want to be performing my tour hungover.

Like that's a life I don't want to know. Yeah. You know how people like when they die, they're like, man, I just want to know was JFK really assassinated? Yeah. Who did it? Who did JK?

I would really want to know what. Taylor Swift is like as a real human. Like, who is she really? Well, let's ask Donna. Don't. You can't. You got to ask her about knitting first. Does she knit?

Play the long game. I know. You got to play the long game. Maybe by Thursday. I'm never going to see her again. I might as well just ask her. Yeah, maybe. Give her a couple drinks.

You know that she is like media trained for this answer. No, I think she just does not care. Tree pain has been all over Donna Kelson. And she's like, listen, if you ever say anything about my client, I will ruin you. Well, should we, should we wrap it up? Yeah, that's wrap. Okay. Well, you guys, I'm so sorry.

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