De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - We Need to Stop Putting People on Pedestals

Episode Date: August 27, 2026

This week on De-Influenced, we are officially in our back-to-school era… and apparently that means approximately 400 drop-offs, pick-ups, soccer practices and things to remember every single day. ��� We're talking about the chaos of getting the kids into a routine, whether we need to seriously re-divide the mental load in our marriage, and why Dani is apparently preparing for the collapse of the financial system by selling her clothes on Instagram. Normal stuff!! Then Jordan takes us down one of his latest history rabbit holes and somehow we end up having a conversation we've never really had before: IVF, frozen embryos and the complicated questions surrounding when life begins. We definitely don't have all the answers, but we talk through where we're conflicted, why this topic feels so personal and sensitive, and why sometimes faith leaves room for questions. Plus, why we need to stop putting people on pedestals, Dani's thoughts on moms judging other moms, Jordan's Nashville makeover…and somehow, by the end of the episode, we're talking about whether dragons were real. Basically, a very normal episode of De-Influenced. 😂 We love y'all!! Thanks for listening! 🤍 Thank you to our sponsors: Cozy Earth: Made from viscose from bamboo — breathable, soft, and built for summer. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code DANI for an exclusive 20% off. That's code DANI for an exclusive 20% off. And if you see a post-purchase survey, mention that you heard about Cozy Earth right here! Storyblocks: Head to Storyblocks.com/DANI to access the human-made stock media library that's essential to my workflow. For a limited time, they're offering 15% off any annual plan, and that discount is only available through my link. Again, that's storyblocks.com/dani for 15% off annual plans. Ross: Find your nearest Ross at RossStores.com Vionic: Use code DEINFLUENCED at checkout for 15% off your entire order at www.vionicshoes.com when you log into your account. 1 time use only. Vionic Shoes. Wearable well-being for your feet. Yoto: The reason Yoto has become such a big part of our routine isn't just because it's screen-free - it's because my kids genuinely love it. If you're looking for a gift they'll actually use and enjoy, head to yotoplay.com - that's Y-O-T-O - and use my code DANI to save 10% off all eligible items, terms apply. CashApp: Download Cash App Today: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/oux30p76 #CashAppPod Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N.A., pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card at cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement, for the Sutton debit flex card at cash.app/legal/us/en-us/debit-flex-card-agreement-sutton and for the Bancorp debit flex card at cash.app/legal/us/en-us/debit-flex-card-agreement-bancorp. Savings and Offers provided by Cash App, a Block Inc. brand. Offers may not be affiliated with third party merchants. Parents and legal guardians can open a managed account for kids 6-12. Cash App will pass through a portion of the interest paid on your savings balance held in an account for the benefit of Cash App customers at Wells Fargo Bank, N.A., Member FDIC. To earn interest on your Cash App savings balance, you need to have sponsor approval. Exceptions may apply. Savings yield rate is subject to change. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello, and welcome back to your favorite podcast. Deinfluenced. I don't know how much we got for you guys today. It's the first day of school. We've been doing parent, pick up, and drop off. I went to the school a total four times before 1115. No, it's crazy.

It's crazy. You know, I learned an interesting fact today. I didn't learn it. I experienced it. Oh, do tell. The speed zones here are slower. sorry the school zones oh like 15 miles an hour instead of 20 I know that is slow really slow I mean I guess it's really safe but on busy roads too like super busy roads like I was

going 15 I was like is this okay I feel like I was like more dangerous going that slow was it flashing though yeah when I was when I was going with stella yeah um it was so sweet sending her off to kindergarten and sending Strattonoff to pre-K. Pre-K is still pre-K, but like kindergarten and I felt like was like the real deal. But I also found out that it's like you legally, you don't have to send your kids to kindergarten here. You only have to send them to first grade. Isn't that interesting? I can't wait for people to comment on that. Well, no, it's like, it's like legally. No, I know. Yeah. But they probably disagree with the legal system. Well, it is what it is. It is what it is. We didn't make the rules. We didn't make the rules.

We didn't make the rules. And Stella's excited. No, it's great. I mean, you know, and I felt really seen by the headmaster who said that by this point in summer, you're ready for some routine. Oh, that's true. You spend a lot of time with your kids. Y'all, like, so my parents were like, we're going to come visit next Monday through Thursday, which is literally like the official first week of school.

And I was like, guys, I love y'all. But no. Like we're trying so hard to get into routine and like after school we have they need to rest change eat a snack and then go to soccer practice right after Yeah, and you know it's like fine if it's like but this is like the first week of school where you're dropping them off and they're kind of freaking out about everything trying to make friends Whenever I left Stratton he literally grabbed onto my leg and like I was like walking away with like a monkey on my leg So I told them I was like listen we'd love for you all to come in a weekend but like we cannot do and then my dad was like we'll take him to soccer fire practice and like, no, no, you don't understand because they get so attached to parents that if my parents drop them off, then they're not going to be putting themselves out there making

friends, you know? So we're going to figure out another time. Maybe Labor Day weekend. You know, I saw this tweet the other day and it said, I'm butchering it said, being a parent and an adult is basically saying things are going to slow down every week for the rest of your life. So true. And I feel that. Like, I don't, maybe it slows down a little bit with the kids being in school, but. It gets, it gets busier, in my opinion. That's why everybody's like, I'm so excited for structure and routine. I'm like, I feel like we're about to be so busy.

Yeah, I, I've never felt this way before, even with three kids. Maybe it's just like the four kids that we have now. I feel so busy. Yeah. All of the time. Well, each one has like their own, well, for school. They have assignments and we have to like get their uniforms and get this exact brand of this and cleats for both of them and soccer on soon. And then we still got two more at home.

I know. I'm like really tired. No, me too. And you know what's so annoying is like I keep like my sleep score will not go like above like an 83. Like it's usually in the 60s. But then like, you know, like last night I slept like eight hours. But it was like the quality of your sleep was so bad that you have an 83. You're like our Volkswagen.

Our Volkswagen will not charge above 80%. That is so me. Like you just always live. That's why it's the perfect car for you. Yeah, you just always live in like a sense of like I'm never 100%. Yeah, I mean, I feel like we're doing pretty well in terms of like we were ready for school. We had all their uniforms. We had all their paperwork filled out.

And I feel like we're doing well in a lot of areas. But I haven't worked out in like three weeks. Oh, I haven't worked out in like six months. I mean, and you know, sleep has taken a hit. So it's like balance doesn't exist. Not right now at least. Not right now. One day.

I did see one of those memes and it was like the days right or like dinner times right now. And it was like a cartoon picture of like all these kids and like food everywhere. And it was like dinner time in 20 years. And it was like just me and you at a table. And I was like, it kind of looks nice. No, I know. There's a lot. I see so much of that type of content that's like, you're going to.

to miss this you're gonna want this back and I'm kind of like no I'd take it I'd take it for like a weekend you take that you would take it for two two days and then you'd be depressed no truly because like I mean my our kids stayed with my parents over this past weekend and we had like a weird night where we like could sleep in and we didn't and we didn't and we didn't we didn't at 2 a.m and then we woke up at like 7th and then you just feel like crap I honestly kind of didn't really know what to do with myself either I know. We're so conditioned to give that when you don't have to... Which is so giving.

When you don't have to pour out, it's kind of like, well, what do I do with myself? Yeah, I felt that. Well, I started a new show that I really wanted to get into because, like, one of my friends told me to watch it. It's called Widows... I keep playing to call it Widows Peak. Widows Bay. And I, like, love the first episode, but I had this, like, feeling, this gutteral feeling

that something like dark and demonic was going to happen or like it was going to be rooted in that. So I texted her to her. I was like, hey, listen, does this get demonic at all? Because like, I can't. And she was like, well, as a matter of fact, it really does. I would stay away from it. I was so bum because it was like so my type of show. Yeah.

So then, oh my gosh, talk about Waterworks, tears. I started watching, gosh, is it called? It's with Adam. Adam Sandler produced it. And it's about his daughter. I think it's called like, Don't Ask Me. I'm okay or something. So good.

Is it like a scripted show? It's like a drama and but you know how Adam Sandler always with his what is it Happy Madison Productions he always has like the same key like actors so it's kind of like his crew but then his daughter stars in it and it's just so sweet you know it's like a coming of age high school movie you know how I love those kind of like bookworm. I love that movie. That's cool. Yeah so I got into that and then oh I did have a question to ask you about Ozarks that's

I've been watching no oh it's a great show I know I'm super late to the game but wow is it good um what happened to our golf cart uh yes I pulled out of the garage and the what do you call this the rear view mirror the rear view mirror or the no no the side mirror yeah whatever that door mirror the mirror um it just popped right off I hit the wall so you just hit the wall Yeah. Were you going to tell me? Honestly, yeah, it happened when my parents were in town and I was flustered about it. And then I kind of just really haven't revisited the fact that it's not on there. Oh, so we don't have a new one coming or anything. No, no. Where is it? Did it shatter? No, it didn't shatter. It just popped off and the metal broke. So we have to for sure get a new one. Yeah. Is that going to be on like your two-le list or my? No, it's my two-le-list. But, but it's my two-le-list. But, but it's, but. like, I mean, I'll take it on. You just knew that. We just know you like divvy up the task. This is a great conversation. Do you feel like we're due for a divvying of tasks?

Oh, do you feel like. I feel like I do a lot of things that you don't know. Me, that's how I feel. No, I'm not, I'm not saying you don't do enough. I'm really not, but I actually think that we're like, uh, because there's no clear division of labor, I think it's actually possible that both of us are carrying more mental load than we need to. Okay. Do you feel that way at all or no? I mean, I did a lot of what I needed to do this morning, so I'm feeling a little bit better. Oh, I'm not talking about today, but I'm talking about like big picture. No, I know, but like big picture, I did a lot of things.

Like, like this morning before school, I probably went and replied to like 20 text messages. Yeah. That I just have been needing to like reply back to and like just, you know. That's your backlog. My backlog. And then I finally like replied to some emails and, I got like some things set up for some partnerships I have. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're not a household. I think some households do work like this. Like we were driving your friend Miranda to the Langeley concert. And she was like, oh, like, Summit works. And then like I'm the CEO of the house. And so like they clearly define it.

We don't really work like that. Like we have general guidelines on like what is a Jordan thing. What is a Daniel? anything. And that honestly has worked for us for a long time. Maybe I'm just overwhelmed because now there's so many kids and they all have their own like little things. You could probably divvy some of those tasks to me. Now like for example, the one with the hornets nest in our backyard. Yeah. See, I'm like I'm not going to do that. No, I for sure. Yeah. But like I would get to that. But I feel like I don't I don't have capacity. Yeah. So but if there's anything's like, you know, to do with school.

or like school. No, I actually would be curious. When an errand, like, you can just divvy that to me and put it on my to do-do list. But like I'm getting, tomorrow we're getting like the Volkswagen car cup holders. That would be a me thing.

No, I'm getting it. What do you mean? Like I'm getting them done. I'm getting it ordered tomorrow. Oh, like you're taking the Volkswagen in? No, you have to order them from like a spec. You can't just like order them from Amazon or they do. It's like a whole thing. Okay. I tried already. But you're not installing them yourself. That wouldn't be a day. No, no, no, but they're not hard to install. They're like little clip on thing. Got it. Yeah, yeah. But like I'm figuring that out. I'm saying. Gotcha. Okay. You know, yeah, because I never know, like what you want me to divvy out to you. Like for example, sorry, for example last night, you, you, uh, you know, you made guacamole. Yeah. But then you didn't have the lime juice. I know, I thought we had.

had it. No, it's okay. That's not the point. And then, um, it took you out. Oh, yeah. It took your guacamole making. I was, I hit the ground. Yeah. And so it's like, so like I, in my mind, and maybe this isn't fair. In my mind, I was like, see, I, I should not delegate out to Danny making guacamole again because it. Well, you didn't tell me too. I did it myself. No, no, you did it yourself. But in the, I was just reading your and I was like, that does not give her life. fit actually takes away her life. No, I actually was really tired before that. Yeah.

But I was like, I had these avocados. I had like really invested in last Thursday at Central Market before we left for Dallas. And I was like, I do not want these things to go bad. Yeah. Like I'll be so mad. You also went to the grocery store right before. I went to the whole food's the day before we left. Yeah.

But honestly, I'm so happy I did because the avocados were like the perfect amount of green. Yeah. Because when I bought them, they were really hard. And so everything I bought. Because also you didn't give me enough credit. When I went to Whole Foods, I actually bought a ton of snacks for the kids' lunches. No, I, I, like healthy snacks. I'm never taking away credit for me.

No, I know, but we needed to do that. And let me tell you, I went to the Whole Foods downtown. Why? Because the one, the other one was like past Brentwood. It was like over near Franklin. So it was like either way I was like going to be in the car. Yeah. But the one downtown was technically closer, like mile wise.

So I was like, oh, I'll just do that. pain in my mother effing butt I mean oh my gosh I'll never do that again I forgot to get the ticket validated and so I go to customer support and I'm like listen

I got two kids with me I got a grocery cart full of groceries I was like can y'all please just like give me a ticket and they're like no you have to go get the ticket out of the car and then come back and I'm like you're kidding me

what happened was we did one of those things where like me and Stella got on the escalator and Stratton, like, was just trailing one step behind, but then, like, got scared. So he's at the bottom of the escalator. Ah, mommy, don't leave me. And I had to, like, ride back down to come get him because he wouldn't get on by himself. You know when he does that. Just, like, just chaos.

You know, I love it, though. Yeah, I know. Sounds awful. Yeah, I mean, I keep myself pretty busy. I'm going to be, I'm starting to sell a lot of my. Wait, wait, wait, wait, you're moving on. I want to know what you want. what you think should be delegated to you.

Well, here's the thing. I make the money. Yeah, for sure. But what I'm saying is... What I say I make the money. I don't mean, like, the money. I mean, babe, I'm selling my clothes on Instagram. Yeah.

And we're going to have cash like we've never had before. I mean, I'm making 20, 30, 50 bucks per outfit over here. Okay? So, like, what I need for you to do is just sit back and appreciate me. Okay? I do appreciate you. thing. It's cash. And you know what? I'm starting to realize is that America is declining. Okay. It's awful. It's sad. Nobody wants this. It's just not working out. And our financial system,

our financial system is it's going to crash. Okay. So we all need to get bars of gold and bars of gold, maybe Bitcoin. Babe, what on earth are you talking about? I listened to an interview of a podcast yesterday. Things are just not looking up. Okay. So you you don't want me to delegate because you want to sell your clothes because you're saving us from financial ruin. Okay. By making more cash that is devaluing. Well, so I'm cash that I'm not going to put in the bank because the banks are going to collapse first. But and it's going to be horrible. And then I'm going to take my cash and I'll buy gold. But your cash will be worth nothing. That's why I'm going to get gold. right now?

Yeah. I'm saving all this cash so that I can go buy gold because I don't want the cash to come out of like our actual money that we really need. So I'm making like I'm making money on the side. I know you're not supposed to say this, but you realize who you sound like. I know. You're your mother. Okay, well.

She did a lot of things right. I always give her credit. We'll just see who's standing at the end of. it. I think I default to working because it's like the one thing that I feel in control of. Yeah. I don't like my biggest fear in life is being like being told no. In what context? Any context. Like you're not good enough. You aren't fast enough. You can't have what you want. Like I just always like to feel comfortable. I don't like feeling like I like no. Okay. So I feel like when it comes to work, it's like the one thing that I can control, that I can

overproduce by. Does it make sense? Yeah, no, it makes sense. Yeah, I don't really know. Um, you guys know I take my sleep very seriously. And now that we're officially in back to school mode, I feel like sleep is even more important. We're getting back into earlier mornings, school drop-offs, activities, all of the routines that kind of disappear during the summer. So it is time to get back into our normal routines. And for me, one thing that will always be a staple in our house is our cozy earth sheets. We've been using cozy earth for years at this point, and they're genuinely the sheets we keep coming back to. Their bamboo sheet set is made from viscose from bamboo, and they are so soft. But one of my favorite things about them, especially during these warmer months, is how cool

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and now they have very specific opinions about what they will and will not wear. And honestly, I kind of love it because you start seeing their little personalities and their own sense of style come out. It also turns back-to-school shopping into something we actually look forward to instead of stress about. That's why Ross is such a fun place to do our back-to-school shopping. You can go in and find clothes, shoes, backpacks, school supplies, basically everything you need to get everybody ready for that first day in one place. And I love letting the kids be part of it. There's something really fun about letting them walk around, pick out what they like, and feel like they have a say in their back-to-school look.

because I remember being a kid and feeling like the first day of school outfit was a very big deal. And Ross makes it easy to let them explore different styles because you're getting 20 to 60% off other retailers' prices. So whether they're starting a new class, meeting new friends, or suddenly deciding they have an entirely new aesthetic this year, you can find something that feels like them. Plus, Ross has everything from kids' clothes and school supplies to dorm room decor, so you can knock out so much of that back to school. list in one trip. Find your nearest Ross at ross stores.com. You're also in your latrilo phase. I'm dying. Like it wasn't the guacamole that took me out. It was the latrilo phase or whatever. Yeah, the latrillo phase, just if you females don't know, is the third, is the, we call it the calm before the storm before your, you start your

period. I'm so tired. It makes sense because last week, look, you. Energy. Photo shoots, traveled to Dallas. I feel so tired. I honestly feel like pregnant. Like I came home after like the fort. I was like I have to lay down. Like even right now.

Yeah. And can I tell you something? This happens every month. You forget, but it happens. Well, another thing is that I've been trying really hard like when I'm tired to like get a pick me up. And for some reason coffee hasn't really been doing it for me. So, you know, I, like, stack or I stock the fridge with, like, all these, like, fun drinks.

Well, some Alonis were in there. Remind me never to drink an alani. They are not meant for me. I feel like I'm going to have a heart attack whenever I drink in Alani. These blooms, these bloom drinks have been so much better for me. Sorry, I have gum on mine. And they have, like, prebiotics and whatnot. And, yeah, way better.

Like, I need to not, like, please they'll ever let me drink. gonna lani because then i go from feeling tired to anxious and it's just a horrible day yeah your anxiety's been on the lower end lately right yeah is that true i think so i haven't heard you say like i'm feeling anxious in a long time i'm just so tired do you think i have to go to soccer practice tonight no actually stratton specifically said that he wanted the boys to go oh really so if you see we're still at home yeah i know good luck i don't know which one's worse. Yeah, so, um, what else is new?

Well, I got this. Do you feel like fashion has changed or I've changed wearing this camo shirt? Um. Do you like it? Yeah. It's cool, right? Yeah, but I really don't. I'm not a huge fan of your haircut right now.

Oh. I think it's a little too long on the top. Oh. Your poof seems exceptionally poofy lately. Really? You know, it's actually funny. It's in my podcast notes. You went to that new hairstylist and it was like the best hair you've ever had.

I really think I need someone to just like, I just need to let go of control and be like, hey, change my hairstyle and like. Just maybe like better. Just, yeah, help me make look better. Do you know that every time I've ever gotten my hair done, I always. just tell them. I say you just do like I like to go blonde and I don't like it for it to look brassy like do whatever you think is best and when it grows out I just want it to be like a little like more gradual and then they do everything. Yeah I don't tell them the shade I don't tell them anything like I they I literally because they're the experts they know. Yeah no they are the

experts and just historically I think we talked about this like three three episodes go I have I have a tendency to be a little bit delusional when it comes to like myself or my image where it's like I think I'm like jacked and it's like oh I'm actually like 30 pounds you know heavier than I should be and I feel like

I feel like if I just was like hey listen I think my hairstyle looks cool but like you can make your own decision and just give me some type of edge like a Nashville edge to mac because right now like your canvas shirt is not matching the hair right that's my biggest problem is like i i don't really know how to like create a vibe it's like i'll do like one you always say this about me like so close but then i'm like missing this one thing and i have decent teeth yeah you know

chkcccccc for my skin you know uh like my clothes are fine ish you know yeah as long as we stay away from like the super skinny jeans. I think we're good. Yeah. These aren't super skinny. Yeah. Okay. So I just really think I should.

They do have a toothpaste on them though. It's okay. Where? It's okay. You can't see it. So I feel like maybe I'll go to your girl or the barbershop next door and just be like, hey, listen. Do your thing.

Yeah. Whatever. You know? Just make me look. I always just say, can I, I just want to look better than when I walked in. That's the main goal. True. True.

And then, but what if they, what if I come out and they give me like the Nashville, like trendy mullet. No, I'm not cool with that. Okay. Do you want to come with me? Oh, if you want me to. I will. I think that's a great idea. And the good news is your hair grows so fast. So like, what are you going to do? I can always wear a hat. So true.

So true. Yeah. What else is going on? You know, that's pretty much all I had. Oh. What have we been reading or listening to lately? What have you been learning? You know, I have actually been working back through one of the books I read. Oh. It's called Dominion.

Okay. And it's basically a history of, it's actually very dense, it's very hard to read, but it's like split up into a series of essays. Oh, so horrible. No, about like different chapters of Christian history. Mm-hmm. And the whole like arc of the book is like showing how the world looked like pre-Jesus and then like how Jesus and early Christians like have kind of influenced like everything moving forward. You know, it's like built into even like secular or like liberal ideologies like have Christian roots to a lot of like what the morality is. So I've been reading and working through that.

And that's really all I have about that. Let me see if I have some fun facts from the book. We can cut this down. Oh, I have, I have, this is a very fascinating piece of history I learned from the book. Okay. Okay. So, when you look at Protestantism, okay, where did Protestantism start? Who started it?

You know this. Yeah, the guy, not John. No, not John Calvin. Martin Luther. Martin Luther because he went and he was like, he was like the stuff with the Catholic Church. Yes. Is seeming like a little too traditional. What was it exactly?

So it all came down to like the way that like. Like it wasn't about works, good works. It's not really, it wasn't really about works before. It was really about like individual conscience. and like can like the Holy Spirit dwell in an individual? Right, but then it's like, versus like coming from the traditions. The, no, the more like the bishop, like the hierarchy of the church,

the priest held a lot of power. Right, but I thought he was also like, hey, like we don't have to go in and ask for forgiveness to a priest. Like we can do it on ourselves. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Do it ourselves. Like the way that the holy. Salvation.

Like it kind of got rid of a lot of the traditions. Traditions and authority. Right. So because it was like, hey, like we are kind of like our own governing body through Jesus. Like we all have access to the same Jesus. So that was kind of like the start of Protestantism. And Martin Luther was like it was very, it was very difficult for him to do that on not just like the church, but on governments. Because the Catholic church and governments were so interlinked. Like when a king was appointed, it was a very spiritual, like, ceremonial thing. Like separation of church and state wasn't really a thing back then.

And then the reason that these governments, like, stood against it so much is because it made them lose their authority. Right. And so what happened was these, like, they called it like the peasant war or whatever. And it emboldened, like, people to be like, we don't need this authority. So then they started like turning against like corruption within government or kings. And so it was kind of this like massive uprising. And it was almost like Martin Luther opened this box and then he like couldn't put it back in because everyone is like, no, like we know Jesus like at an individual level. So that's a whole story.

But the craziest thing I learned is that he actually ended his life on a sort of a bad note. So he really at the end of his life ended up turning against like. Jewish people because he was so furious that like the Jewish people refused to acknowledge like his life's work with his his theology that like we are you know connected to Jesus and so he wrote this I forgot what it's called but he wrote this like long essay like against Jewish people and here's what's crazy about it is fast forward to like Nazism and World War II they often cited Martin Luther like, you know, his essays and like his work to justify their hatred towards Jewish people. Now, it wasn't only Martin Luther's, but it was part of it, right? And like someone even like a ranking general at Nuremberg on trial for like basically what they did to the Jewish people. Nuremberg is where they took everyone after the Holocaust, like they tried to hold everyone accountable.

Yeah, it was like the trials of the Holocaust. Right. Even at that point, someone, like a ranking general, had cited Martin Luther and was like, this guy wrote this 200 years ago, why am I on trial? And so it's just crazy how. But why were they citing Martin Luther and not like scripture? I think because like that's like, I think Satan, the one thing I learned from this book is like, the way Satan corrupts is it's a very like, he kind of finds a thread that like,

truth and then he like perverts truth just ever so slightly and so they couldn't quote scripture because i don't think it's like scripturally backed they had to quote martin luther who was like a founding church father in protestantism to do that but there's so many like um there's so many like ironies in history well and i feel like it's just even with like people that do amazing things even nowadays, like, everyone, like, everyone's corrupt in one way or another. Like, even the most amazing pastors or the most amazing Christian musicians or influencers, like everyone has something that you can find on them because none of us are perfect in sin is like alive and sin, like we all struggle with sin.

So it is really, it's like really hard. That's why I love like all that like branding and man. stuff because he's just like so I don't know just vulnerable about how imperfect he is. Yeah. And how he's like he's just like so desperate for God because he's like I'm such a sinner. And sometimes I wish like more like people that are more authoritative had that vulnerability. Yeah. Another. Instead of just acting like perfect all the time. If you create content, you know, sometimes the actual filming is the easy part. It's everything that comes after the editing, finding the right music.

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And, um, I think it's Sanger. Yeah. Yeah. So, so Margaret Sanger created Planned Parenthood. Um, and like, if you look at it from like a political lens now, it's like about like women's rights and empowerment and all that stuff, which I want to. comment on, but Margaret Sanger, in her autobiography, was a huge proponent of like eugenics, which was basically like the uprooting of entire races, you know, and breeding them out.

And getting rid of some races. And she was big on like lower class populations, like lower socioeconomic classes, which is basically like Hispanics, you know, black people, et cetera. And then she also, in her autobiography, talks a lot about. how she would like speak at like Ku Klux Klan meetings. And so the great irony is like this, this person that in modern times is heralded is like this crazy figure. She went into those,

those neighborhoods and offered, you know, abortions and offered to help them like basically get rid of the babies to decline the population. Yeah, it was all about eugenics. It was like literally all about like population control and like really prioritizing population control with different races,

like minority races. And we could have less of them and more of people like her. Yeah, I would have never, ever known that, you know, unless you would have studied, like, actual history. And what's interesting about her is that there's a lot of debate around her these days. Like, I think Planned Parenthood has tried to kind of distance themselves from her. And you have some people who, you know, I really want to read some of the books on both sides of the aisle to try and understand. But, you know, you have some scholars who are like, trying to say, oh, well, she had to do that because that was the only way to get the ruling

class to, like, really listen to her and understand. And then you have others that are, like, taking more sober, critical thinking, well-documented, well-sighted, you know, research on her life and, like, what she actually supported. But then you could say, you could have the same argument for Hitler. He had to do that to get all the powerful people to be on his side. Like, you could do that for any, like, argument. Like, it's just, you have to do the right thing. matter what. At the beginning of this year, I never really thought I was going to go down this journey, but I think that the most important thing about studying history versus just like kind of accepting the mainstream narrative of like what's sort of put out there is that it's super complicated.

It's super nuanced. And like it repeats itself. It repeats itself. And it's full of irony, you know. And it it's almost like this this really great ongoing story of like imperfect people doing. great things and people presented as perfect actually being imperfect and doing really horrible things or or people doing good and bad things so they can be it's just like I know people will sometimes I don't even remember what they are so I'm not I don't have a perfect example but uh uh Martin Luther King like apparently there was some like he I don't know if he had like mistresses and whatever but like for sure yeah he had misdister like he wasn't perfect guy but he did something really cool I mean, that's probably people's justification for Margaret Sanger.

Like the people that believe in what she did. Like sometimes the root of... I would say this. I'm going to help you. I really feel like what I think what you learn the most is that some of the most like prominent historical figures, both good and bad, are used for whatever means a civilization is trying to justify at the time. Right? So like, it's so common that you'll take who we consider great.

like even like Churchill or this president or this president and you'll bury all of their sins because what they stand for and what they're a symbol for is actually more important than what the truth is. Right. And that's with everyone and anything. It's so true. Like even if people put Danny Austin on a pedestal, you are going to find something wrong with me.

Like I'm not perfect, you know, and same with you. And but maybe from the outside of the bit, oh, she's such a great mom. She's this, there's that. is like you're going to find something wrong with both of us. And so we're always going to disappoint you. Like there will never be a human besides Jesus Christ that will ever not disappoint you. So we have to stop putting people on pedestals, number one. That's the first thing.

But also like I think that that's what made Jesus so radical is that like everyone who was great before him came with like power. You know, and it was like power and dominance. Like that was the entire Roman culture, Greek culture. was like all about power through the form of force and like brutality. And then you have Jesus, basically a peasant born of a virgin, who represented weakness in all capacity, who ends up creating this giant following and this giant religion where people followed because, you know, this book makes the awesome point that like pre-Jesus, like, no human had inherent value just for being human and created by.

God. Like that was a very foreign concept. It was more about like what family you're born into. What family you're born in your socioeconomic status. Didn't you say that like they were just getting rid of babies left. Yeah. In the Roman Empire like they had this thing called it it's not abortion like abortion was a part of it but the overall movement was called exposure which basically meant like it was legal in the Roman Empire to if you if I wanted a boy and I got a girl to like literally just abandon that child like leave them on the street. I would have not gone to jail. I would have not done anything. Abortions were like a very documented scientific practice, which back then it's probably even more like horrible than it is today. And, you know,

and so it was just very common for life to be very valued based on gender and or like socioeconomic status. And Jesus was the first to like, and Paul when he started preaching was basically like, hey, you have value because you were made in the image of God. Like, that's it. Yeah, there's nothing. It has nothing to do with what family, where you were born, whatever. Like it's just, and everyone has inherent value. And same with Martin Luther, like saying like, hey, you, like, you can speak to God yourself.

Anytime the power structures are flipped like that, it was the Romans were so abusive to Christians because it was like, hey, we don't have to follow this. Roman Empire anymore. Like we have value because we're made by in the image of God. That's why they were willing to be martyred and willing to be like fed to lions and stuff because they were like, hey, you don't rule me. And it was the most like nonviolent religion to ever grow in the history of mankind. You know, the first, these are some other interesting things. Because children were so like exposed or like just thrown to the side. It was like the first hospital that was ever developed was from a Christian who felt to the need to bring in all of these children, put them in an orphanage and then treat them and treat the sick and the poor. And that,

that was like all done by Christians. Like that was an, that was a foreign concept to take someone who's poor in need and like actually serve them and care for them like that was that did not happen before jesus and christians and then it was so prevalent that there was this uh emperor name julian who so it was like constantine made christianity the um the state religion of the roman empire and then i think two emperors later there was julian and julian was born into a christian family, but like really supported paganism. And so he actually wanted paganism to take more rise. He started like rebuilding pagan temples and like creating all these idols. And he followed the church, the structure of the early church and was like, okay, we're going to have bishops, we're going to

have priests, we're going to do this, but just in paganism. And then he realized like this wasn't taking hold. And he was like, man, you know guys, like we really want paganism to grow. You guys, you guys need to more charitable to others and to the poor just like the Christians because that's how we're going to grow this religion. So like that's what Satanism is too. So take yeah Satanism is and is Satanism is Satanism is not what people think. They're all about love and kindness. Yeah and it's like it's like humanist. It's like we don't need Jesus like we can take care of ourselves type of thing. And so it's like it's a great books. People should read it. But it just kind of shows you even like through Islam through like all of the world of religions and even like through today as a great

chapter on the Beatles, like talking about like, you know, the music that they made and like how love and like, all you need is love is like built into kind of like these Christian ethos and he traces it all the way back before Jesus and then after Jesus. It's awesome. Yeah, it sounds cool. This actually, it's a little different topic, but it kind of reminded me of a news article I read the other day. Did you see this happened like a year ago, but IVF is becoming like a really big topic of conversation again. Um, because I guess they're thinking about. like making it illegal. Have you read about that? Wait, what? No. Okay, maybe I maybe that up. No, you, you, I just have, I know it's like a topic of conversation because, um,

especially like within, I think maybe, um, uh, Josh Howard did a podcast on it, but a lot of like Christians are against it because you just have like all these frozen embryos that just sit on ice and those are like, you know, yeah, like they're supposed to be life life. And so, um, I never really of it that way and it like kind of breaks my heart because there's so many people that are able to get pregnant off of IVF but I guess what like Christians are saying like if you're going to do IVF do it like the biblical way which it means like don't freeze any on ice like if you're going to like like transfer all of them and what that means is you could transfer five and all five could take and you can have five kids in your stomach and or it means that transfer all five and then like zero

will take you just don't ever know that's such an interesting yeah so like the whole thing is about like just not freezing embryos because those are like living babies essentially and so right now like there's like millions of like embryos frozen it's like millions of babies right um so there was I read this and I guess this this article is like coming back to light because of this whole conversation but baby born from embryo frozen over 30 years ago. So everybody's saying this is the world's oldest baby because the embryo was frozen in 1994. In Ohio couple says that they have welcomed a baby boy who is born from an embryo that was frozen over 30 years ago. Lindsay Pierce 35 and her husband Tim Pears 34 of London, Ohio are now parents to baby Thaddeus born July 26. They told the publication they have been

trying to conceive for seven years now and adopted an embryo through an embryo adoption agency. The embryo the pierces adopted was obtained through an IVF fertilization in 1994. In IVF process, ovulation is induced and eggs are removed from a patient's ovaries. The eggs are then fertilized with sperm outside of the body. And the resulting success embryos are either placed in the patient's uterus in the hope of pregnancy or are stored in a lab for future use, according to the American College of Gynaecologists. After successful embryo transfer, using the adopted embryo, Lindsay Pierce became pregnant.

So now it's like, it's kind of crazy because like, there's like, so are, so. So. There's got to be a divide in Christianity on this topic. Yeah. And it's a sensitive topic. It's so sensitive, but. But I do remember like, you. even our church in Dallas, like, they had the same stance of like, you know.

But what happens is, is like, it's so expensive to go through IVF. And then like if none of them take because you like, you froze three or four embryos and then you like implant them and like try. And then none of them can take. You have to do it all over again. And so it's like very expensive to do the process over and over again. but like a lot of times like they none of them take so then you have to like do it again but then sometimes like all three will take all four oh so sometimes like you'll have like 10 embryos and then like frozen you know but you'll only do like two or something but then you still have eight frozen so okay so I always thought that freezing your eggs and IVF were two different things are they not um no I think they're two different things because IVF requires a spurs of, is IVF the process of like trying to get the eggs to take? Yeah, so because when you do IVF, you need sperm too.

So you literally take your egg, the frozen eggs, and then you like mix them or whatever mix them, I don't know, in a lab. Instead of like in your body, it mixes in your lab. But then the embryo forms and then they implant it in the woman's uterus. Yeah. It's so crazy. It is so crazy. I don't know where I stand on this.

Yeah. because like I mean I think what I empathize the most is like I feel like I know more examples of like women who have not gotten married or haven't found their spouse but know that they want to have children one day and I actually like the lack of women who want to be married and are not married I blame that more on like the men than the women to be honest like just like from a society standpoint but like I I would have a hard time being like you're doing something wrong I know I don't know I've like literally never thought about this yeah I think you probably just have to like really really pray about it and like ask to be like personally convicted about what you end up doing I don't know yeah it's a hard topic like I don't the the other not to go back to like dominion but for a thousand I think it was like a thousand years after Jesus died there was like one unified church. And then it was like the Greek Orthodox church, I think, took over the East.

And then the Roman Catholic Church took over the West. And they split because of like, I forgot what the major division was about, but it was like over theology. And then you have splits like Coptic church, all that split off of that. And it's usually like one to three theological, like kind of majoring in the minor topics, not always. Some of it's like, is Jesus divine? Is He not divine? But other times it's like, like Church of Christ is like we don't believe that there should be instruments or music, you know?

Orthodox is like, we think that the church service should look like this. So like in the grand scheme of things, it's like pretty minor, right? And it's just like split, split, split. And then you have like Martin Luther splitting from Catholics. And then it's like Wesleyan. And then it's like Southern Baptist. And then it's like Baptist. And then it's Church of Christ and then non-denominational.

and it's like all these splits. And if you, I had Claude, like, create like a flow chart over the history. And it's like it just looks like this. It goes from one to two to like five to 17 to 18 all undenominations. And my point with this is like it feels like it creates so much more division to major in the minor sometimes than just to be like, hey, from a heart standpoint, overarching. Like, it's very simple. Like, Jesus died to save us and, like, here's the gospel. That's, like, the unifying force on all the churches.

And I just wonder if just, like, discussing the nuances of this is almost, like, more divisive than it is unifying. Yeah, I mean. But then you'll have people that say, no, this is human life. I think that sometimes people. What I would say about this whole conversation is, like, it's so much for me it's like so much deeper than that because like there's there's got to be a reason why this is happening to women that women can't get pregnant or maybe they're like it's like now we don't now we don't have to focus on like the diet or the poison they're putting in our food or whatever

because now we're just putting like a band-aid on a bullet wound and saying we can all just do IVF when it's like so we never actually have to fix up like the issue the root issue same thing of why we can't get pregnant? Yeah. Or like, or it's like, but do we know? But nowadays, no. And so maybe this isn't a good example, but it's like sometimes I feel like it's like, okay, but also it's like men are, feel like they have all the time in the world now to get married and they have women have all the time in the world because now there's so many alternatives. So you don't really feel like you have to take your 20 so seriously or 30. So just like in a lot of situations, it's like just trying to like have a quick fix to like an actual issue. Yeah.

I don't know. I was talking to your cousin and boy. Yeah, boy cousin. And he's like, like just out of college. And I was talking to him like why he doesn't think his friends get married. And it might go back to what you said about why you need to sell your clothes on Poshmark for 50 bucks. Because he was like, we just don't really feel like the economy allows for us to be. providers. And like we want, we want to have our career. We want to have our career figured out before like, you know, we do X, Y, Z. So it's, it's tough. But then they also say like, wasn't there something that came out about the, man, never mind. Not worth it. So yeah, what's something lighter we can talk about? Well, I was like, Lindsay Clancy. We don't have to talk about that. It's, things are like in grim.

for her? Yeah. Like she did it? Yeah. I mean, I kind of always did think she did it. And then I like started to kind of just dip my toe into some of the conspiracy theories. But yeah, I think she did it. And the other thing I had on her on here was Hayden Panty or Passing Away, which is also really dark.

I saw you posing something about it. Did you like follow her? Yeah, so she had, um, she had an interview where she like talked a little. lot about postpartum depression. Yeah. And you know she gave up custody of her daughter, like full custody of her daughter because of her postpartum depression and like just her mental health. I thought it was her addiction. Wasn't, wasn't addiction swirling? She got into an addiction because of her postpartum depression. Got it. Which like mental health, all of it is like tied together. And so she knew it was like best to give up her daughter to her husband who was in, or I'm sorry,

I think it was ex-fiancee who lived in the Ukraine. and so her husband lived in the ukraine her ex-fiancee lives in he's a he's like a fighter he was like a fighter like a famous fighter oh i thought you meant like not like a soldier he was like a like a UFC kind of fighter yeah oh wow yeah he was a fighter and so um that was like really really hard on her but she knew that she had to and so she talked a lot about like her mental health and how she's always struggled and you know she had some like horrible you know you know experiences whenever she was younger. She was like estranged from her mom, like didn't have a good relationship with her family

because of like the, you know, childhood fame and childhood like, you know, money that she had made. And she had gone to her mom when she was about like, I think like 16 or 17 was like, mom, I don't want to do this anymore. Like I want you to just be my mom. Like I don't want to work together because her mom was managing her. And her mom just basically told her like, okay, you're going to owe me. Like you owe me. Wait, so she's been having to pay off her mom all these years?

So I don't know what the legal situation is, but after that she didn't have relationship with her mom. So. And then she tries to make a comeback. Probably doesn't. Well, she just wrote her memoir. Right. And she was apparently going to like, like there were people that she like slept with whenever she was like a child essentially or like 18 years old to like get into like this producer's room and this person's room. And I don't know if she was ever going to like reveal it, but she kind of like talked about it, like kind of teased that.

like kind of teased that maybe she would. So there's no like conspiracies around this, right? No, I mean, some people were like, oh, they're, you know, she was about to like reveal some names, but. Did she OD or did she? I don't know people. I don't know if it's been confirmed that she OD'd or, oh, I'm sorry, she did overdose. Sorry, people don't know if it was a suicide or OD. Got it, got it, got it.

But she went back to drugs. Yeah, I don't know if she was completely ever off of them. Oh, okay. I don't know in her memoir if she had had like long-term sobriety of any sense. But yeah, I mean... It seems kind of similar to Matthew Perry's story. Didn't he like release a memoir and then like kind of got back into the hustle and bustle of like the book tours and stuff? So he was never sober.

That was what was interesting about Matthew Perry. He was never completely sober. He was like on a like regimented like schedule of. I don't know if it was opioids at this point or whatever it was, where he had to basically like take drugs to function. But like it seemed like he was getting control of it, but he was not sober, even when you wrote the book. Oh, man.

It's really interesting. Like I think people that suffer from that, like any type of mental health and they're like living in it. Like I think that they have this hope that once they share it with the world, it will get better. And I truly think sometimes it makes it worse. like I think that they feel like this weight is lifted off their shoulders and they feel like wow I can finally live in freedom and I can finally like you know like pursue what I was like

meant to do but like it I don't know I think it actually like just brings more and more pressure on attention on your sobriety you think um like to keep it or to like I think just their mental health like I just don't I don't at the root of it I don't think people are meant to be like I know it's ironic because of what I do but I don't think people are like meant to be like worshiped or like have that much attention I totally agree so like when you're when you're bringing like when you're bringing attention to you when you're already like struggling or have like that's why when Smith was like really skinny and like I was really like worried about his way and like I could just tell my mental health was like not in a good place. I was like I'm not

talking about this because like I feel like although it would be so freeing to share like what's going on and to be like yes I get that part of it but like I can't take more eyes right now. I don't feel like strong enough for that. You know and so I think the worst thing you can tell someone so ironic is like be real be transparent talk about like no don't think. Don't think. talk about it. Keep it to yourself. Keep it to the people that like matter the most. Share it with people that are going to like have actually experienced it. That can help you walk through it. Maybe come back and write a book about it 10 years later when you're in a completely different part of life. Like I could talk about how I used to take Adderall and I don't

even like struggle about that because like I would never take an Adderall ever again. Right. Because that was so but like if I was like actively struggling, don't talk about it. Like you just tell people that I really have your back and I really, for you because not everybody understands it. And, you know, and something could happen, like, what's happening with, like, Lindsay Clancy versus Emily Kaiser. It's like, you never know which way the tide is going to turn on you. And, like, you have Emily Kaiser over here who is. Yeah, you pointed this out. What you're about to say blew my mind because it's so true. It's kind of, like, sick a little bit. And I know that a lot of people think that Lindsay Clancy is innocent. Let's just

that she's not because we don't know for sure and even if she was like a little like if she was like mentally in a psychosis when she killed her three children um you know people are like really rallying behind her and like being like dude like she was postpartum she was struggling i get it i've had i never had thoughts like that whenever i was postpartum but i had thoughts about how i didn't want to be here anymore when i was postpartum and i know that's not me like i know that's not me i'm like the happiest like positive person ever like i'm so happy i'm so happy we'd wake up every day. I'm a little tired, but like, you know what I mean. And, um, and so you have all these people that are like, wow, like she deserves to be given grace. This was crazy. And then you have

something like Emily Kaiser, who was also postpartum. And she was also had a newborn. And no one is willing people are. I'm sorry, the internet, the vibe of the internet is they don't want to give her grace. And you just never know which way the internet, the tide is going to like turn on you. And so to me it's like it is crazy though because like technically because I don't I don't follow either of these sagas as much but like the way Danny explained it is like you have two postpartum moms so that's the same one had an accident one had an accident the other let's just say she's like you know psychosis like psychosis why aren't we rallying behind both of them and said yeah killed her three children and the internet is like for the woman on trial versus like someone who's probably

devastated over what happened to their son. And they're both devastated and they both, you know, they're both really, really tough and complicated. But like, I just don't understand the good and like all of these videos that are coming out. Well, the internet, what we talked about is like how morally fluid like popular opinion and the internet really is. It's just however they feel.

And you never know what, you know, a card you're going to draw. And so to me, it's like too risky. and it's okay to not be transparent. It's okay to not be vulnerable. It's okay to like just get on and share your outfit. And if you don't like that type of content because they're not real enough for you and they're not transparent and vulnerable enough for you,

then don't follow. Yeah, when did you stop crying on the internet? I would say 2022. Yeah, I don't do that. No, you don't do that. Unless I'm like laughing. Yeah. No, I mean, cry on the internet if you want.

But like, I don't know. I just don't. It kind of creates like the. The internet is so awesome because people can rally behind you and like support you. And, but you just don't know if you're going to get that. Yeah. Sometimes you get the opposite. And it's to me, sometimes it's like not worth risking it.

Because it can be brutal. I mean, I'm like, you guys are, you are pushing Emily into a place that. like I'm just saying it's not good. No, for sure. I agree. The where y'all are pushing her is not good. And I don't know.

I just think accidents happen. Mm-hmm. It really pisses me off. I honestly don't like when moms attack any moms for any reason. Even if they made a mistake. Yeah. I don't like it. I don't know.

I just have like such a hard time not empathizing with everyone. Dude, it is hard. Except last episode, those influencers that went after the homeschoolers, I was like, that was so unnecessary. It's insane. I was like, that's so not necessary. Dying for attention. Dying for attention. Let me look at my Twitter and see if I have anything a little bit more.

I did have a good, like, random recommendation. I've been listening to, you know, my faith, The Yvonne, and he had a really good episode. If you're somebody that like just wants to understand geopolitics, but you just don't. which is kind of like story of my life like when people are like I need you to make a statement about this I'm like I literally need to go read about this for like a whole day because I don't know what's going on he had an episode with professor Zhang I believe is how you pronounce it I'm sorry if I got that wrong um it was episode number 675 and he has this professor jang has a YouTube channel called Predictive History. And it's super interesting, like everything that they talk

about, like all these world events and just like what's happening with the war in the Middle East and all this stuff that like I just sometimes is like a little over my head. And I feel like he does a really good job explaining it. And he's also a believer, which I thought was really cool. He's from China, but he's like a believer. I think there's a lot of, is it South Korea or is it Korean churches. There's a lot of Korean churches. Yeah, it's like the fastest growing. China, you have to be pretty underground with it, right? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure. But yeah, you told me I got to listen to that. I'm interested to see if like you would learn anything new. For me, I was like, wow, this is happening.

Like I would love to. Yeah, it's, I like anything Theo Vaugh. My favor is when Theo Vaughn has like really serious people on his podcast that are like, because they dumb it down. for you. When he has just like musicians, artists, sometimes it's a little boring for me, unless it was that Casey Rocket episode. God, that was so funny. Guys, I just want to let you know. If you know who Casey Rocket is, I need you to like personally email me right now. And if you live in Nashville or Franklin, we can instantly become friends. Like if you know who that is, and I don't want you just like now go Google him and they'd be like, Danny, I'm a fan. Like, I want proof. He'd probably come on this podcast. Maybe I should do that for your birthday. No, I never meet your heroes.

I know. What are you going to do when you meet Theo? No. He's not really a hero to you. It's like women towards Theo is like it should be studied by science. Married women like in the most non-romantic, non-sexual way. But I feel the same way. Would die for Theo Von.

But I feel the same way about like Will Ferrell. Yeah. And like Kevin Hart. No, Kevin Hart's a little too. No, but you feel differently about Theo. Will Ferrell, you don't like feel protective over him. Because he doesn't put up, but if he had a podcast, I would. Yeah, I mean, there's something about Theo.

He's like a. Because Theo also, like, he just has, he's so awkward sometimes. Like, he's just so awkward, like. But don't you think that's part of his bit? He made a joke about, um, with Professor Zhang who like has, like, has, he has, he a sense of humor but he's like not funny you know he's like like this like serious professor guy and he was talking about Tel Aviv and how he feels like Israel's going to have a civil war because he was like this is not going to this is not going to sloth well right now but he's like he's like

well you know Tel Aviv is the gayest country in the world and like Theobon could not get past that because he was like whoa whoa like what kind of gay are we talking about and like he couldn't he started making jokes about it to the professor and it was like all flying over the professor's head and I'm like Theo stop like please stop like you're just kind of like stop stop stop like the cringe you know and there's so many moments that like I'm like just don't take the bait Theo

just like move on you know so you just feel for him no the only episode I've really I don't listen to Theo like Danny listens to Theo mainly because she tells me all the funniest things about every episode oh sorry Tel Aviv is a city yeah I said gayest country I said gayest country The biggest city in the world. But the one with Joaquin Phoenix, who's like a horribly serious person, I actually loved it because

Theo was able to break him down. Like he was like, what did you do this summer? And you can tell like no interviewer has ever asked Joaquin Phoenix down. When does summer start? And he goes, I'd say like mid-May June. Yeah. He's like, oh, okay. No, I would say the worst interview he had was Riley Green.

That one really gave me the cringe. That's hard, man. But that was like just, I think Riley just wasn't very funny. It was kind of weird to him. Yeah. But yeah, I like, if there's ever anyone serious, I like will go to Theovan just to try to understand what's going on in the world. Yeah.

Yeah. What do you say? We can wrap it up. Yeah, we can wrap it up. Yeah. It's kind of a little negative. Was it? Or was that just me?

I don't think it was a negative episode. I think it was like very enlightening. I think you taught a lot of people about Roman Empire, which you always love to do. It's just, listen, I'm not like a Roman Empire fanboy. It's just the basis of everything. You are exactly what a Roman Empire fanboy would be. No, I'm not. No, yes, you are.

I just, it's the context for almost everything. We are here today because of the Roman. And I don't say that as a fan boy. I say it factually. You're going to start doing those like cost plays. I wish that you would. You're going to dress up like the Romans. I wish that, and maybe this is probably just not the phase of life that we're in,

we'll save this for when we're empty nusters. This is why I think that we're going to be able to be married for forever. Yeah. But what I was going to say is I love when we're both into reading and studying because then you teach me things. And then I teach you. And we both go down like totally different rabbit holes. The thing is, I can't ever teach anything. because I'm always like, remember that one guy that did that one thing, that one time?

You always say that about yourself. You, you, I'm so tired of you belittling yourself and acting like you're not amazing. Okay, just stop. Just stop. Martin Luther's the one that did it, not John Calvin. Well, it's fine. You might get some details. What's Calvinism again?

That was like big on like predestination. Oh, yeah. I think he was like really big in how the truth. was structured. Yeah, we got to get some, can we start doing guests? Can I like start picking some guests? Yeah. There's this lady.

Okay, her name's Adrian Mayer. Mm-hmm. And I don't think, maybe it was the Bible. I don't know, I was reading about some texts and basically I was talking about this giant flood of the Tyber River. Oh, God. And they talked about how like there was like this, it was like a, oh, Who did I say?

It was Herodius, yes, who was like an ancient philosopher who, like, documented that he saw dragons. Okay, but what if dragons to him? Like flying, no, no. Were just big bird. No, there was a difference between, like, long snakes. Like, they would always, like, anacondas basically, versus, like, flying. There's like a flying iguana. So anyway, I haven't read her books, so they could be totally kooky.

Like, but there's this lady named Adrienne Mayer who's basically like a scholar who's devoted all of, like, she's Stanford. She's like smart, but devoted like her entire dissertation PhD time to understanding like where our myths of dragons came from. And I told our team I wanted to have her on the podcast. Okay, that will be a Jordan episode. No, I think you should come. Okay. I think we should start having like just like really fringe guests. Yeah.

People think it's fun. Nashville has so many cool people. It's time to start doing some guests. No, these people are not in Nashville. I don't know where they're located. They're probably located in basement somewhere. Okay, we'll figure it out. Well, this has been a blast.

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