De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - We’re Moving!!!

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

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The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. Deinfluenced. We have a special guest today. Stratton Ramirez. Stratton Lee Remedis. So Stratton is in here with us because Jordan kept him home from school because he missed him. Well, we're also going to Nashville with Stella.

We took Stratton by himself last time. Yeah. And it's just, it's not fair. It's not fair. He's got to get good time in with us. Yeah. So if you hear some clinking of the toys, it's because he's playing with a dinosaur and Legos.

Because my husband decided to bring the loudest toys in here. Well, he brought them up. He brought them up, to be fair. Also, sorry if I have a lisp. You hear that? I just spit everywhere. Sorry. Yeah.

I still don't understand what's causing the lisp. Okay. So I went in to get. my veneers redone. So I had veneers done about seven years ago with Dr. Brian Harris. He's so good. He's kind of like the godfather of veneers. But he's up in Phoenix. And so it's kind of like a whole thing for me with four children to go to Phoenix and to like do, you know, do the whole thing. And so he had worked with Dr. Dooley in Houston before and I was like doing a ton of research. And so she is redoing my veneers and she's adding a bunch to the bottom.

too. So what happens when you get veneers done? I had a lot of questions about veneers. So I'll try to answer as many as I've seen in my DMs. But what happens is you go in for your first appointment and they take impressions and they get the molds and they basically have to go and like order the porcelain from these like labs. And so you can't get your veneers done instantly because they have to order them after measuring everything. So I went in for this first appointment and they do all the impressions, whatnot, they also have to prep your teeth. So let's just say, like, veneers are the thing where they have to, like, shave down. Sometimes they have to shave down your teeth in order to, like, fit the veneer over. Well, I had already had my teeth shaved down

from my, like, previous veneers, but she had to, like, use a laser to pop off all my current ones. It was crazy. Oh, I saw. My veneers were, like, teeth were, like, flying all over the room with this, like, laser. It's so intense. And so it didn't hurt or anything because they numb you. and it's like it's just crazy. But then I actually ended up getting like no prep veneers on my bottom. So she didn't have to shave down any of my bottom teeth because I was like a good candidate for like no prep. And so which is awesome because people feel better about it,

I guess if they don't have to shave down their teeth and they just put something over them. But like to me shaving down my teeth like doesn't really matter because I didn't ever like my tooth anyway. And they like cement these veneers on. I've had veneers for seven years and I've never had any problems with like them like cracking or in fact i had more issues with my natural teeth cracking than i did my veneers you know and then also she's redoing my implant um which is technically a crown because

i was born without one of my like lateral teeth and so anyway so i'm gonna go well you leave with tempers which is what i have right on right now so these temps are not like the real shape and not the real color like they basically are just made to look like your current teeth but their thing is they're they're more flimsy because they're not like porcelain. So I already cracked one, which is like very common. I know right before the bridal shower too. Yeah. Or the wedding shower? The wedding shower. Oh, were you embarrassed. No, I wasn't. I just, I was worried that you were going to be. Well, it's, but you handled it fine. The thing is I, because these are temporaries, they don't, your bite doesn't align just perfectly. So you kind of have a lisp. Yeah. Because my teeth are not

like hitting in the right spots. So, Where do they usually hit? Like they usually, like, my bite is usually like very natural. Like the teeth just like fit together. I guess if I like talk like this. Yeah, it's like the list too because there's air in between when my mouth is supposed to be. Yeah. And like I can't close my bite all the way.

But it's only going to be like this for like 10 days until I go get the permanence. And then the permanence will like the bite will be perfect. Got it. So yeah. And so then I cracked one which is also kind of like making it sound like. And she said she would fix it for me. but I don't care enough. If it was like a front tooth cracked.

Well, we almost turned around the Uber and went back. Yeah, but. I know you were debating it. I was debating it. But you had been in that chair for eight hours. I know. And I just like, it's temporary. So it's like I can live with a cracked tooth for like 10 days.

It's not that big a deal. Yeah, not a big deal. So, so yeah, I thought I would answer some of the questions I was getting about veneers. The main question is like about cost because everyone wants to know how much they cost. Um, so it really just depends on like your treatment plan, but I would just say like each tooth is about $2,000. So if you get four done, it's going to be about $8,000.

If you get 10 done, you can do the math. Like it's, it's pretty crazy. But it's, um, you know, I would say if I was like a lot smarter, maybe I would have been a cosmetic dentist. Or just like a plastic surgeon. No, because dentistry is. is like less bloody scary. Like plastic surgery is like a little too intense. I would never do that.

I don't know because you should have seen what I experienced. It was pretty wild. Give it this. Come here, you sweet boy. Come here. Just sit with me. Just sit with me. Oh, your pants are coming off.

Jordan once a hang out with Stratton while he works. And it's just a lot more idealistic in our minds of how it. So we're doing. Jordan just thinks like a four-year-old boy is just going to sit in his lap for an hour while he podcasts. Well, he sits to me when I watch TV or like whenever I want to do anything else. The poor kid has nothing to do here. No, baby, he's having so much fun. Okay.

We got to go to the bookstore after this. Oh, what are y'all going to get? I don't know, whatever he wants. A book? Probably a new Iron Man book. That'd be sweet. You know, we need to work on our numbers. A toy?

See, you talk about how you want to homeschool your kids, but you don't. Well, I would say this. This would be the hardest part about it for sure. You realize they would be home all the time. No, I know four of them. I just don't understand. I don't understand how you would get anything done. No, it's crazy.

Was I talking about? Well, you were talking about homeschooling, and then you were talking about... The cost of veneers? The cost of veneers, yeah. Yeah, so veneers are very expensive. I don't know. I just feel like it's after four kids,

I was like grinding the heck out of my teeth. And I was like, what's something that I can do for a little glow-up? I was trying to look smacks. Yeah, no, ever since you found clavicular. Yeah. You've kind of made fun of him, but you've also adopted some of his principles. No, I just like one principle, which is like, I don't know. Looks maxing.

A little self-care. Well, self-care after four babies. So, so yeah, I'm going back in about a week, and I'll get the final version. So I'm really excited about that. One other observation about you lately is I feel like you've, you're really dialed in. Really? Yeah, I can tell you're like, you're getting, like, excited about other things. Like, you're feeling better.

You're waking up at 545 a.m. I know, I know. I'm like back to my normal. So when I'm pregnant or postpartum, I'm usually depressed. And so I usually sleep a lot. And not depressed because of the babies. I just physically feel really sick. And then it makes me sad.

And then I get depressed. but I naturally like Danny at her core is like a very like a morning person I'm very active I have a lot of energy throughout the day and it's just been a long time since I've like felt like myself yeah and so I have been waking up at 545 every morning like I'll go to bed at midnight or I'll go to bed at 8 p.m. and I wake up at 5.45 um and so yeah I'm back I'm back to my normal self what's on your mind though because I see the the not um I'm I see the focus in your eyes, but I actually don't know what's what you're focused on. Well, we're moving to Nashville.

That's true. That's taking up a lot of your mental capacity. So I have not had like a big project since probably like, I don't know, coming up with like this new Divi launch. Like my projects are usually like around Divi. And then once that's done, then I don't really have any projects, you know, at home. Like I don't really have any projects. too much of my plate these days besides like just it's kind of just like showing up every day for my kids but that's not like that's just like being consistent but my next project a big project is this

house and so I've never really done like home content or like home projects and so I am discovering how much I love it like it's so fun I'm learning so much about like just how homes are built or like you know, like the rules of like interiors or construction. And like it's just, it's so fun. I'm having a blast with it. And I'm learning like all about like different materials. And, you know, like just like the little details about a home that you never really notice. It's, it's just been fascinating.

So last night we went to the Taylor Swift Orchestra. Uh-huh. And I could tell you were there, but like your mind was like churning on something. else was it the house yeah yeah i know that's what i feel yeah i totally get it you're so excited about it's like all you think about it's all i think about i'm like so excited about i know the funny thing about uh danny's vision for this home is um he thinks it's my vision and my taste is crazy it's straight of crazy no he think he's like this house is gonna be crazy it's so eclectic it's so crazy and i think it's just because like most homes you see nowadays are just like neutral like and they're

beautiful, you know, neutral with like linens and like tans and wood and stone. So whatever you think is normal, it's the opposite of that. I don't think my taste is like that crazy, but it, I just get so sick of seeing like the same thing over and over again. Like I really want it to be unique. And I've always loved color. Like I want it to be like hours. Like I don't want it to look like another house on Instagram. I want to be like, oh, that's Danny's house. No, for sure. I'm, I'm all about it. It's going to be a, like you remember when Kendall Jenner did that architecture, architectural digest. What was it over? Her cabin? Yeah, I want to be a cabin or whatever. And like, it was very polarizing. You had some people that really liked it. And then you had some people that really didn't like it. I feel like

that's what's going to happen here. But I think that's kind of my goal is like I, I feel like if it is for everyone, then it's not for me. No, I love that. You know, it's like, so I wanted to be like, oh, I love it, but you don't love it. And that's, that's, that's a. That's, okay because it's like that means that it's like my flavor or as what she said to me if you don't love it then you're wrong because I when we started going over the mood board with this designer buzz kill when it comes to like interior it was like you designer and then like three other females in the room and I remember coming in and being like oh yeah I don't I don't really like this like this and I'm like no you don't and he's like no I really do I'm like no I really do I'm like no

you don't you just don't know better no i've i've been totally cut out this is how it probably should be i've been i've been completely cut out and you don't you don't completely cut out i you're doing your own office big you this is what's crazy is danie's never done this to me in our entire marriage she hasn't even invited me to the group chat yeah she won't invite me to the group chats with the builder or with the designer and i was like man that's how but i i i don't care because I love that you're excited about it. Yeah. Like I look, it's like all I knew was like,

God wanted our family in Nashville. This is one of those things where I'm like, you do you, boo-boo. Yeah. I had a FaceTime with Catherine this morning, the interior designer. She's the one that actually like design the home. And she was walking me through the house.

And I'm like, oh, we need to change that here. We need to do these type of outlets here. Like, and I'm, I feel like with homes, I've always, with homes, I've always had like zero confidence in like my decisions. Like before I make a decision, I have to like go research for 10 hours about something.

And now I'm just like, no, wait, I know what I like. And no, I know what I want. And so you honestly might become a female home builder. I don't know if I would, you know what I, I don't know if I would be a home builder. But I think that one of my goals now is I would like to like renovate like a small, a small home in Nashville and just like get my feet wet. I think that you,

what I'm kind of learning about you in this current state era is you need an outlet. Yeah. Like you need something to pour the excess energy into. Because I'm like a very creative person, but it's not in the ways that you would think. Like I'm not creative in, you know, like art or like I can't dance or I can't sing or I can't like express myself in those ways. But the way that I used to express myself was like, probably through editing, like back in the day, like when I first started doing it. And I used to edit and like it was kind of like my thing. But now I don't really have like that thing.

You know, and out fashion used to be like a huge creative outlet for me. And now it was the same thing. I was like, if people don't like my outfit, then that means I love it because it's not for everyone. And now I'm like not. I do love clothes and I love fashion, but I'm not like as passionate about that as I get older. Like to me, clothes are more just like, um, Like, I just, I don't know, I just want to fit it. Like, I just want to, like, wear something that looks cute and nice. But, like, it used to be, like, a huge, like, oh, my God, I spent hours putting together outfits.

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It's been so long. I know. I knew it was you. This is who I married. She's back. She's been gone. Jordan, like, comes in this morning, he's like, why are you dressed up? And I'm like, I don't know, I just got dressed for the day.

No, I was like, what? I was wearing clothes. It's because I'm usually in sweats every day. No, I love it. For the past four years. You know, happy. happy wife, happy life. And it's like, you know, the past couple of years you've been feeling so bad.

I'm just pumped. I'm pumped for your outlet and pump for your new house, our new house. Houses are so good. Our house, but your design that I'm learning to love. Jordan was like, all I want to do is like, I want to have to stay with the landscaping. And I'm like, okay, I'll just give him the landscaping. And so then we go meet with the landscaper. his name's Houston and I totally took over that meeting and I'm like we're going to need Japanese

maples here and I was like Mcnolis here I'm like privacy fence no privacy fence I want to use evergreens hollies for the privacy fence like and now I'm like research it like every time I drive by a house I'm like I'll take pictures and like ask chat to BT I'm like what kind of tree is this or what but I am doing hydrangees at our house and I'm so excited because I've always wanted to have a house that could you can't really grow hygiene and Texas, like our climate's not great for hydrangeous. But I'm going to have hydrages at Arnees. Yeah, you know, I got a gym, I got a sauna.

I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. I'm in Nashville. You got your sauna. You got your sauna. I got four seasons. I'm great. I am doing turf.

I'm doing a swing set in the backyard, a built-in trampoline. Yeah, it's going to be kind of sweet. We're not moving to like the country country. We're moving into like a neighborhood that kind of feels very much like our neighborhood now, except just like more spaced out. Yeah. And so I'm so excited. You know what's so funny is we've been talking about this a lot.

Danny is fully in on Nashville now. Oh, I'm like, I can't wait. 110% could be even more in on Nashville than I was. I think I am. I think you are. It's the craziest thing. And the funniest thing about this is I just had, we had to have one moment because she's been talking to people about Nashville and I've noticed a lot of the sound

bites are my sound bites. Like what? Like, you know, they're just, it's just such a good, uh, culture for family. You know, like, we just really want to like raise our kids like to be like super like down to earth and love Jesus and all this stuff. And I love all the talking points that you're saying, but I had to have one moment where I was like, Danny, can you just, can you just tell me that I was right? And she couldn't do it.

I mean, you did do it. You said, fine. Okay. you're right. Let's move on. But I just hear you parading this script about how amazing Nashville is, and I love it. It's because I know. I just wanted one moment. I think I know more about Nashville than you do now. Yeah, probably so. It's because I've also, look, I, I like did so much research, like, finding the perfect neighborhood and the right areas and all this stuff. And so, and the schools and some of the homeschools and so the churches, whatever. So I just feel like I'm not an expert.

Nashville obviously I've never like lived there but I've done a lot of research no for sure I already like have my kids like scheduled for like doctors and some of like the soccer teams and stuff so I'm just yeah I'm dreaming yeah it's um I will say though there was probably like how long was I pushing Nashville three years three years we we visited to I would say like really pushing like I really think that like we have to do this probably like six to 12 months, right? No, a year and a half ago, at least. Year and a half ago? Yeah. Oh, anyway, let's just say it was the past year. I will say that when you feel just like for the wives and husbands out there, there was a period where I was like pretty certain that God wanted our family in Nashville,

but like you and I were not on the same page. I was like over my dead body. That period was the scariest most. confusing hard period of my life because I was so sure but like it was like I remember it I was like God how how are we going to get on the same page about this and so it's so cool for me now that we are like totally on the same page if in fact you're probably more excited than I am it's like God is so good like what do I get to worry about I know I know I mean I agree and it's like yeah it's something that I'm so excited about and not to

to say Dallas has has not served us well it's served us very well we've had some amazing things happen in Dallas and we were both like raised in the Dallas area but I think it's just like time for an adventure yeah did I tell you about the lady who stopped me on the street today I know Heather will she blonde yeah oh really I don't I don't know her name but she uh she's like oh I heard y'all are moving Nashville she was like we might be right behind you and I was like oh why do you think you want to go to Nashville and she's like well I'm from Tennessee and she was like, man, I just, and she doesn't know anything about us. And I was like, she goes, I just feel like I just always have to be thinking about what car I'm driving and like what I'm wearing and like,

you know, like all the private school scenes and all this stuff. And I was like, oh, yeah, you should come in Nashville. Yeah, that's, we feel the same thing. Yeah. Um, which, you know, like I said, you can find your pockets in Dallas where you don't feel that pressure. I actually don't feel pressure to like be wearing a certain brand or driving a certain. certain car. That's not the pressure. I feel the pressure to work in Dallas. Work. Grind. Like grind. Yeah. And I was texting Natalie Kennedy this morning and she was like, oh, just wait. She's like, you're going to come out here and you're going to start where you're at and then you're going to come out to the country. And then you're going to start with one animal and then

you're going to five animals. And then you're going to start homeschooling and you're going to start doing this. And I was like, I already feel myself being like pulled in that direction. She said it's just like a better, slower pace of life. Like, no, for sure. I'm excited. I, it's like hard for me to wrap my mind around this, you know, like you're supposed to, you marry like a different person every seven years or something. Didn't you tell me?

I think it's 10 years, yeah, every 10 years. Like, I feel like you're entering it. It's like the same Danny, but like a new, a new evolution. Like, if you seeing, if you homeschooled our kids or if we homeschooled our kids, that would be so crazy. I know. I would have never been able to bet on that at the beginning of our marriage. No, never. Never.

Never. So great. What a fun time. But I would like to do like a homeschool where they at least are going like four days a week. Well, yeah. Two days a week is not enough. Just even stradden up here. For 20 minutes.

It was tough. No, it was tough. I can't do anything. Literally. I really can't do anything. It's kind of crazy. No, I love hanging out with them. But yeah, the reason I had to come up here to take the call is I was like.

Well, And when you homeschool, like, you do need, especially when they're young, like, you need to stay disciplined, like, and make sure that they are doing their work and doing what they need to be doing because otherwise they fall behind. Oh, for sure. And that's why I do, like, the schooling system is, like, they keep your kids accountable for you. Yeah. Kind of. But that's why moms at homeschool are, like, so badass because it's a lot of work. Oh, man.

Yeah, so, yeah, we're heading to Nashville. it'll be interesting, you know, the transition because we're going to have this home, which we already have furniture here. So we're going to need to figure out like what to do with our furniture here. The home won't be ready. Our home in Nashville probably won't be ready until the fall. And school will start in August. So we need to get down there pretty fast.

And so we probably need to find like a place to rent or, you know, maybe we buy like an investment property. Wait, maybe. What if you built it? No, I don't want to build a home. That's too much. Wait, why don't we get an investment property that we move into some? Sorry, I thought it was going to. And then we move out and we move to our,

and then that's the home project that I have, that I flip it and sell it. There you go. For sure. Because I'm not all of a free time. Yeah, I was going to say you're going to have four children and then. And then I'm homeschooling. You're going to be focused on the, our main. I know, I know. It's maybe a good idea. I'll think about it. Yeah, just think about it. Just think about it. Let's maybe get there first. Yeah, let's get there. Let's see. Because I, yeah, and I do need to be like present for my kids. So, yeah, that'll be an interesting transition. You know, hopefully people were asking, like, our tornado or Tam-Tam, are they going to end up in Nashville? What is, like, your honest answer on that? Like, right now, they're saying no, that they're not going to move there.

I don't think that that's going to last. I think give them six months. Well, so I've always had this dream of a family compound. I think I pressed it. Do you really want that, though? Well, it's going to have to be like a lot of land because we need to be like space style. Oh, okay, like 100 acres.

Yeah, like 100 plus acres. So it's like you're over here, we're over here. Right. You got to like really want to see us. You got to hop on the golf cart or something. Yeah, you can't just walk over. Yeah. And so, yeah, I've always wanted that.

Now, was that like something that was divine and called on us? I don't know. But I would say if it were to happen, it was never going to happen here in Dallas. Because you think about where would we have gone to get 100 acres? We had to like move into the deep country, you know, like east, which you had never gone, north, which we had had never gone. But in Nashville, I could see it. Because, you know, where we're going to be located now, you can get 100 acres, like, 30 minutes from there.

Yeah, which is so cool. And it's still, it's still close enough to, like, Franklin to where you still have, like, access to population and, like, all the cool people that live there. Yeah. So if it's going to happen, it's going to happen there. But I'm not going to push it. Yeah, we'll just do it happens. I tried to push it a couple years ago. And I don't think it didn't go well.

It didn't. It didn't go well. Yeah. But I could see it happening. I could see it happening. We are going to go and we're going to have the time of our lives and then if people want to follow, it's like, doors open. Well, it's going to be fun because we're also moving like around the time that Olivia is having her baby. Did you notice that?

Yeah. Like literally like it will be within like two weeks probably that she has her baby. Totally. It's so great. It's so great. So great. I can't wait to be an aunt. Aunt D.D.

That's what I've decided. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. What do you want your name to be? Jordan. I've never thought of myself as an uncle. I actually just happened in my mind. Yeah.

Oh, wait. Yeah. What do you want to like? Yeah. It's kind of cool. It's kind of like it feels similar to when I found gray hairs, if I'm being honest. I'm like, whoa. Like you're an uncle?

Yeah. Like I'm old enough to be an uncle. Yeah. I kind of feel a lot of responsibility. I know. It's just kind of dawn. Like, I'm actually kind of stressed. It zoned on me.

I know. And it's going to be to like a little. girl. Like I'm just having to figure out, I'm just figuring out dad. Like now I got to, what does that role look like? And uncle is like so much cooler. Like you just come in for like the cool parts. Yeah. And so I really want to be like the type of aunt that like every single time they see me like the same thing happens. So like maybe I always have lollipops. Oh that's good. Or like I always. Wow, you've really thought about this. Yeah. Or like maybe they call me chock or something because I always have chocolates. You know, I just want to be like a consistent, like I'm like known for that one thing. Huh. Or maybe like I always have, I don't know, like gumballs or something. Yeah.

Like gumballs would be cool. Yeah, workshop it. You're close. I'm getting there. You're getting there. I just need to see it. So you, wow, you put a lot. I got a thing about this.

Yeah. What should my name be? Or like maybe I always take them to like the same spot, like the same ice cream parlor. or like the same or like maybe i'm like the aunt that's known for taking the kids to six flags you know there's just got i got have like my thing yeah okay well and but like that's what honestly aunts and uncles are not like they're not um foundational in like a kid's life they're just such like it's like such a it's in a dish like it's like a luxury right to have like a cool aunt and uncle present in your life it's so like so you just have to it's just like having like sprinkles on top

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think of it that way, but like we have so many kids. It's like hard. Right. Like I would like to, we don't really have people over here anymore unless it's like a birthday. party. We used to, though. Because we didn't have as many kids. We didn't have as many kids. But like now it's, I mean, honestly, it's hard. Like, at the end of the day, like, I don't really want people over. Yeah. I was wondering what your general philosophy was on that. I really hope we make friends with our neighbors and our neighbors can come over. That's like way less of a commitment. But like, would we be like the, where it's like, oh, come over for dinner? I've always wanted to be that, but it's like, why is it so hard? Like, do you really think about it? They're like, do you want that? Yeah. Because I think the conversation would be really fun.

But it's hard to commit to that because when it's five o'clock, it's like... I know. That's my neighbors are so clutch, like a good neighbor that, like, they can come over, but you don't have to, like, host them. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. There's like a difference between... It's the hosting that it's like so stressful.

It's like having food for everyone, drinks for everyone, like, whatever. And when you have a neighbor, like, they just pop over and, like, you don't have to have. crazy things going on. And the neighbor can, like, come into your house and, like, help cook or, like, bring their own food. And it's, like, not that big of a deal because they can just walk over when they're done. But when you have, like, people drive over to your home and, like, take time out of, like, a lot of time or other day to, like, come over.

Like, I feel like you have to host them. Yeah. Like our lake house. Lakehouse is kind of like people just, like, pop in, pop out. I'm always exhausted after those. That's what I'm saying. So it's a lot. People are always like, oh, I want to have a home.

We're, like, we host. And I'm like, do you, though? I just feel like hosting is like for a different era of our lives. Okay, that's super fair to say. Yeah, hosting is like when your kids are older, in my opinion. You're so right. Like when they're driving themselves to like. And they can sit at the dinner table.

They can sit at the dinner table, but they can make themselves food. Like. So we don't need to feel guilty about not being, we're just not in our hosting era. Of like neighbors. That's why I moved into a neighborhood. Like I want neighbors.

I want my kids to be able to run over to Sarah's house down the street. Like I was at my friend's house every day. single day and I wasn't feeling like their parents needed to make me dinner in fact a lot of times I'd go home have dinner and then come back yeah you know that's so true that's the vibe that's so true yeah no we don't need to have like we're just not in our hosting era totally don't worry about it don't worry I'm not worried I don't have any of nice crystals nothing I'm not doing that I just having like because I kind of wanted to blame you because I was like maybe you're just taking hosting like too serious like that's like the Dallas in you. Whereas like it could just be like, hey, just come over.

Like we'll figure it out. I know the issues. None of our neighbors like us. Well, no, no, no, no. I'm just talking about in general. Like, like, because whenever we have people over, whenever we have people over, you're always like, put the drinks out, do this. And I'm like, hey, the drinks are in the drink. Because I feel a responsibility that if you made your family pack up in the car and come over, like you needed to take care of them. Yeah. We'll see how other people hosts in Nashville, and we'll see if we can do it. Yeah, and it depends on, like, how good you are.

You know, who's really hospitable? Oh, let me think. Yeah. Jefferson Bethke. Yeah. And they were super chill about it. They were like, hey, like, we're going to grab some pizzas, come over. And they had, like, 16 people over.

I do feel like it's a culture thing. I think, like, in Dallas, I do feel like a pressure to have it all perfect. Why I know that is because I kept being like, hey, man, we'll be there 10 minutes late, 15 minutes. I remember he was like, okay. He's like, you don't need to tell me. No, when I was there and we were there, it really did feel like we were bringing our Dallas into their city. Oof.

So much. We got to calm down with that. No, so much so that when I, this was a trip you weren't on, but I took, I went to church with the kids. Yeah. And he literally goes, you look so Dallas. And all I would, like, our children were just so like, I mean, she was in a dress, Strat was just in a colored shirt.

So it's going to be, is it going to be a culture shot? We're going to have to calm down. We're going to have to chill. Chill out. Chill out. It's like, yeah. I know. It's going to be hard for me to relearn.

I know. But what I, so the idea of hosting that I would love is like, I think there's so many, there's so many interesting people that I have met there. And they know they're interesting in such a variety of different ways. Like, remember when we asked that guy about,

I mean, we were asking about Israel. in Palestine. And we were like, hey, like, what do y'all know about this? Like, you know, I think it was like biblically. And he, oh, that guy, yeah. He went on a dissertation. Yeah. And I almost was, we had to be like, hey, whoa, slow down. Yeah, it was like a lot. And people are just like, and then this other guy we met at the, the bridal shower, he was like, I have bees. Yeah, yeah. And he showed us pictures of him in his bee outfit. And so, John Johnson and Andrews just got bees. People just like. They're,

They're so interesting. And so like I want those people around my dinner table, you know? Oh, yes. Did you get us a dinner table? Yes, of course. How many people can it sit? I gave some input on this, but I don't think anyone, the designer wasn't listening. No one was listening.

Well, I think it's not like, it's like dining room tables. It's like usually 10 or so. It's not like. We can live with 10. Yeah. But we take up, we take up six of the 10. That's what I'm saying is like our. No.

We're not in our hosting era. Yeah. Like, we have a lot of kids. Yeah, okay. Yeah. That's why I'm making the club room, not like a club room, but making it like a fun kid's room. That's fair.

I know. That's fair. Yeah. So, um, what else is going on? I mean, that's our life. So that's our life. Oh, which look.

Oh, man. We got, we're only at 40. And only 30 of those are real. What else can we talk about? Yeah, what else is going? What's going on, like, culturally? What's going on out there? I've just been kind of unplugged from that.

Babe, you've so much to talk about with the book you're reading. No, those are, that's the deep tracks. No, it's so, okay, like, let me ask you questions about it then, because I'm curious about it. You have five minutes to tell us everything about what you're learning in your new book. No, genuinely, I am curious, though, about this new book you're reading. So he's been reading, I kept from wanting to call it into the realm. It's called the unseen realm.

The unseen realm. Landon told you about it, right? Yeah. So it's basically about spiritual warfare. You got to tell them the thing that you learned about the sneaky snake. Okay, I'll tell you about the sneaky snake. The sneaky snake and Adam and Eve. So we've been like learning and I was going to say experiencing,

learning slash experiencing slash talking about a lot of spiritual warfare. and just like how that shows up in our lives. So Jordan bought like three or four books. Two were from exorcists. And one was called the Unseen Realm. And he's learned a lot about spiritual warfare, warfare. And like how angels and demons and all of this kind of like shows up in people's lives. Okay, I'll bite.

So. And here we go. So basically, I would say that you and I were pretty vanilla Western Protestants. No, I was raised in. Sorry, Danny was raised in a charismatic church. But it's not just because you're raised in a charismatic church. I would actually say that made you even more skeptical. True.

I agree with you. Danny was a huge skeptic, I would say just. But I wasn't until I was. I was actually a more extreme. I was very, very charismatic until it didn't work for me. And then I became skeptical. No, for sure.

But I would say because it didn't work for you in that moment, which was a very like coerced, manipulated experience that you had when you were like, how old were you, second grade? It was my whole life. Oh. Growing up in the church that I grew up. That one time,

maybe tell the story about they locked you in the room and made you. Okay, so just I grew up in a church that was very charismatic. And I don't hold any like resentment or anger or bitterness towards this church at all. Like, because I do believe in miracles, and I do believe in spiritual warfare, and I do believe in speaking in tongues and being slain in this. I believe in all of that.

But this church in particular, like when I was in second grade, I went to a camp with this church, and they put us on a room and said, like, once we spoke tongues, we could leave, spoke in tongues. And so I just always, like, was very, like, and I do believe that there were kids in that, in that group in second grade speaking in tongues and i really wanted to be able to access like that gift and i just never could and so then i always kind of questioned if like it was me or my faith wasn't

strong enough or if i did something wrong or if it just like wasn't supposed to be and so like we were encouraged in my church to like go out and pray like literally i remember the day my pastor told us like if you see a dead frog or dead squirrel on the side of the road like run over by a car start practicing your faith and go over and try to raise it from the dead. Like truly. So I would try to do that. There was a frog that died in my backyard. And I made like a little ceremony.

I'm not even kidding you. No, I believe you. And I got a brick. And I wrote like RIP and I like named it and everything. And I would pray for this frog to like come back to life. Because I genuinely thought that God could give me that power. And I still think that God can, he's God. He can do literally anything he wants.

But it just like, I think as I got older, I was like, wait a minute. And I don't think that the church was like trying to like harm me or like, like, I truly think they were trying to like raise us into these like spiritual holy spirit lead filled humans, you know. But it just at a young age, it's very like confusing for your faith whenever you're like totally want something and it doesn't happen to you. They also would pull us up on stage and like try to heal us like in front of everybody. And I think that's probably like the one thing that I feel, not resentment towards, but I feel like a little, not anger, but yeah, maybe resentment is the right word is like, why are all these things that this church is doing? Why are they always so public? Like, why are they up on stage? Like, why are they pulling everybody up in front of everybody else to perform these quote unquote miracles? Like, why aren't these things? And maybe they were happening more behind the scenes. But that part, it's. gives me like very like Joel Osteen like or who's that guy um the guy that always like he's like

telepaster evangelist um that's always like he's like kind of crazy he's like indian i think he's an indian guy oh i don't know um but anyway he's like always doing that up on stage and to me it just seems very theatrical and it feels very much for the people and not for god and so i think that's where i become skeptical as i'm like okay who are you really doing this for? You know? Yeah. And I never really learned so much about like, I feel like if you were going to learn about healing and angels and all this, then you also need to learn about how like demonic activity

works too because they're both real. And I never really learned anything about that. So did you tell the story? I don't in that whole thing. Did you tell how you went up on stage? Oh, so no, I didn't tell that story. So, um, so one time. I think I was probably like in sixth grade I started to lose my eyesight like I not like it wasn't like lose my eyesight I just needed glasses like I wasn't going blind sorry I like I guess I was going blind because I couldn't see anything I couldn't even read like the big E at the eye doctor you know well and so they pulled us up on or they said you know does anybody here need healing and um I'm like in sixth grade and I'm still like I believe like I am like fully bought in I'm like God

can perform these miracles. He will heal me. My church is awesome and they're going to like make sure I don't to get into glasses because I don't want to be in glasses. And so they pulled us up on stage and I was like there with like two other kids and you know, uh, his name was pastor Sean and he like prayed over me like in front of everyone and he's like in the name of Jesus, restore her eyesight, whatever. And I open my eyes and he's like, can you see? And I'm like, oh my God, I can see? I can see? I'm like, oh my God, I can and he's like, praise God, praise Jesus, and everybody's like clapping, like, performing a mirror. I totally lied. Yeah.

And then another time they walked you in a room. I told that story already. Oh, you did? Yeah. Okay. But yeah, so, but here's a thing. And the reason I didn't have resentment, and I think I maybe still don't is I always felt like it was my fault.

And I still question that to this day. I still question if, like, sometimes miracles are not happening in my life in the ways that I would think that they would happen because I don't have enough faith. Like I still question that. Well, I think like, or you don't feel like you're, it's like, it's like miracles for thee, but not for me. Well, and like, here's another like perfect example. So like, I, they, every single Sunday they would do an altar call, which is essentially where you, like, you ask Jesus to like be your Lord and Savior, you ask him to enter your heart and that you believe that he died for your sins. And you basically, once you accept Jesus into your heart like that, you are eternally saved

and you can go and like when we die, you will go live in heaven. And when I tell you that I accepted Jesus in my heart 15 times, like I literally, every single sudden he would get up on stage, he's like, and if that's you, and if you feel that tugging in your heart and you feel like Jesus is like, and I'd be like, oh shit, I don't know if it really worked last week. And I raised my hand. I mean, I gave my life to Jesus 15 times. I still think about it to this day.

Like, they'll do altar calls and like they were doing a baptism. I've been baptized like five times. No, I'm not even kidding. And like they did it at our church last weekend and I was like, shoot, do I need to go up there and be baptized again? Like I am always questioning if it's enough. Like it's just never enough in my eyes. Yeah, no, totally. I used to do kind of a version of that.

But this is so like weird. But when I would pray, I was worried. that Amen wasn't enough. Yeah. And I don't know how this happened. I wasn't, just to be clear. Instead of Amen, you're like, amen. No, no.

I think I was in like fourth or fifth grade because I remember being at Sky Ranch. And for some reason, I was like, amen. And then I felt like I had to say send, like an email. And so I'd always be like, amen, send, send, amen. It became like a psychosis thing. But that's probably just like, it's like, an email that like you haven't,

you're like, I wrote out the prayer, but I don't know if I said it. Because it was like around AOL and I was like, send, send, amen.

I was like, maybe that. Oh, that's hilarious. It's like the prayer doesn't work unless you like say it out loud. No, for sure.

So I get that. I get that. But basically, I would say that, um, that all created a lot of skepticism in you towards the supernatural. Fair?

Sorry. Supernatural. for you. No, it's not against the supernatural. It's skepticism against churches and the way that we deal with the supernatural. I believe the supernatural I always have. Yeah, but like for thee, not for me. Like I feel, I feel like you, so this is kind of the, the reason I'm poking at this is I feel like this is like a big point of the book is like Western Christians have, like they believe with their heads in the supernatural. And let's just say super. natural is a broad term for like spiritual warfare or angels and demons and you know god being

you know omnipresent and all that but with our hearts and with our day to day reality we have really kind of just focused on like the physical material world that's in front of us i agree i think the best way to say it is i am skeptical with how we interact with the spiritual yes okay because i believe in it and i know that it happens but I also, I wouldn't say I'm skeptical, but I would say what I struggle most with in my faith is prayer. Like, not prayer in that, like, I will pray every night and ask, but believing that God actually will act off of my prayers. Yes. I always feel like things are going to happen a certain way, whether I pray about it or not.

Totally. But I'll pray about, I'll pray to show God that I'm okay with his way, good or bad. So it's more of like an act of like surrender and just saying like God, I know whatever's going to happen to me is going to happen to me. I know that even if I pray to you, it's not going to change. But like just, you know, I trust you, whatever. But I feel like the danger with that mentality, because I think we both adopted that. The danger with that mentality is that it's almost like what's going to happen is going to happen. There's no like intercession that we can do.

So we kind of lose the relational side of communicating and communing. with God and then anything bad that happens, it's like, oh, well, like, that was going to happen, right? Yeah, I feel that way. And so what I feel like we got really good at that God broke us of was assuming that all the good was from us and all the bad was like also from us. Does that make sense? It's like we just, so the supernatural for us, like, even like prayer and communion with God

became very watered down, right? Yeah, because it doesn't seem as like dire. It doesn't seem as dire. It's going to happen. I basically believe the opposite of the prosperity gospel, which is like kind of depressing. The opposite of the prosperity gospel. Like the prosperity gospel is like,

you pray for it, God will give it to you. You become a Christian, you become rich. I'm like to the extreme, the other way. Yeah, like I remember. Like you become a Christian, you will suffer. I remember always being like, like, Danny, I feel like God was telling me this. And you would even go as far as saying,

like, yeah, I don't think, I don't think God works like that. But it would be over something like, like, oh, man, like, I think that this cool thing happened, and I feel like it was just like God that opened the door. And you would say things like, no, I don't feel like God works like that, you know, because. Yeah, you said it about one thing and I can't remember. But it was like, that's what I feel like happened. And so where is it going with this? So I think that we both, like, the whole point of this book is like Western Christians in

particular. You know, we're bombarded with like the news media. We're bombarded by like our physical reality. We're like all on social media. And it basically makes like life just constrained to like the physical material world, which is like our senses. Right. Well, we can see, get, gain, comprehend, etc.

But this book is really cool. It's called The Unseen Realm. And it goes through the same scripture that we've always read. but it just like tries to open your mind to a more like there's a physical realm which is like our reality and then there's a spiritual realm which is like all the things that we read about in the Bible but we just kind of like overlook it yeah yeah and so it's like the world of angels and fallen angels and fallen angels and like the fact that Satan needs to be wasn't it like god's sacred angel or something well I think that's like the traditional view

but it never, I don't think it says in the Bible that he was like his favorite angel. It refers to like, so, so what's interesting about this book is it mostly spends the time in Genesis. And it like recaps like a lot of like the Hebrew and like what, how translations have changed. Yeah. And one of the most interesting things that I was telling you about that I thought you thought was interesting was interesting was that Satan is used a lot in the Bible, but the Hebrew term Satan is just like opposer, right? So like opposition. So pushing against something. But then there was like the Satan that became like basically, you know, hell. And like he, so he wasn't his favorite angel,

but he was just one that started to go against God. I think that there's like, yeah, he was like... Okay, wait, Isaiah 14 talks about the fall of Lucifer, or the morning star. The morning star, that was it. Though the passage is directly about the king of Babylon and is also interpreted by many Christians as symbolically referring to Satan. Ezekiel 28 describes someone who was in Eden, beautiful and exalted before becoming prideful. Again, it directly addresses the king of Tyree, Tyra, but is often seen as having a deeper parallel to Satan. Revelation 12 describes Satan being cast down from heaven after rebelling against God.

Interesting. Yeah, so. Well, you're just staring at it. No, sorry, I was like daydreaming. But the, yeah, I don't know how too deep I want to go into this, but it's an awesome book and it's really helped me sort of open my eyes to the fact that like there's almost like two, there's two parallel things happening here. There's like the physical realm and then there's a spiritual realm.

and I would say that unfortunately and fortunately like what we feel like we've experienced over the past like one to three years is more like the warfare side of the spiritual realm. Like there's been just things that have happened to us that cannot be explained by any consequence of our actions or anything like that, but has felt truly like spiritual warfare on our family across a variety of different areas. And I think that. Can I ask you something? Yeah. So do you feel like it's just our family experiencing spiritual warfare or do you feel like everyone experiences it? So I think that I think that everyone is susceptible to experiencing it.

I think that there are doorways or portals where spiritual warfare can come in and attack your family. Like the most basic form of that is just saying like sin, you know, like if you perpetually, are acting within a certain sin. Like porn. Sure, porn or drinking or addiction or infidelity or adultery. Like we all kind of classically know that. Ouija boards. Like we all classically know those as like doorways into hey like as you sin like your life is going to continue to be destroyed. So it's kind of like okay if you watch porn then you're saying like the demons see that and they're like, Ooh, now he's vulnerable, we're going to go attack. I think, like, Christianese or, like, Western Protestantism would say that's a foothold.

Like, that's, like, a foothold that Satan or demons can use to act against you. So then my question is, since everyone sins, because... It's like, can I tell you the progression? It's like, okay, you know, porn, like, like, I've heard so many stories like this. like started with pornography, then escalated into, oh, I'm having an affair, then escalated into, I hate myself so much. So then I'm going to like start drinking, escalated into like now I'm divorced, then it's suicide. And I think the ultimate end of every demon is if you are close to deliverance, they would rather destroy you.

So then my question is, do you feel like everyone experiences spiritual warfare because everybody sins? My belief is that I think that some are like based on sin, but then I think, honestly, I think other aspects of spiritual warfare can be generational. So there's like this, there's this famous author, John Mark Comer. He wrote like the ruthless elimination. So he was like just like a Protestant pastor writer. So didn't really have any like theology around supernatural spiritual. warfare just like wasn't that guy similar to us and his wife i i don't remember the details of the podcast

but there's a there's a podcast episode called the exorcist files with his wife and his wife also was like yeah we don't like do deliverance ministry or spiritual warfare or anything like that but she was super sick and like no doctor could figure out what was wrong with her and long story short they found out that it was like i'm butchering these details but like her grandfather had an affair with a witch who then, like, created this kind of generational curse. And they, like this deliverance minister, like, uprooted that evil spirit and that demon. And she was never sick again after that. You know?

And so it's like, I think some of it, and there's a big thing with like Freemasons, which, did you remember when we had that person, we interviewed that Freemason on our podcast? Yeah, who wasn't? Wait, on our podcast? Yes, we called in. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'd have never done that these days. I would have never I would have never oh he was a nice guy no it's super nice guy both of my

grandfather's free mason no I know so like like could I think any like exorcist or pastor you would talk to would be like hey like there's a link there that like could be generational spiritual warfare because like the higher you get up into freemasonry like I just don't understand like why would it only enter there when like everyone struggles with sin so everybody would experience generational sin so the craziest thing about this book like if your mom had a temper then that's generational sin. If your dad was an alcoholic, that's generational sin. Like if you and everyone's sin,

so everybody has something that passes down to them. I can't answer it. And it sounds crazy to like our Western ears and eyes, but like look at biblically how big God was on like bloodlines, right? Like the descendants of Cain, the descendants of Abel, the descendants of Seth,

the descendants of Noah. That was before Jesus. What do you mean? Yeah. Because then I feel like Jesus comes in and makes everything like, die for your sin so like you can instantly be forgiven so that you know so it's not so much about like generations it's more about like your heart yeah but i think this like i think this that's why everything's not so legalistic anymore is because of jesus but i don't think it's

legalistic i think it's about like warfare within the spiritual realm like based on different bloodlines or generational sins or you know what have you we just call it different things like oh like you know, my grandpa was an alcoholic, so I am an alcoholic. Like we call it different things and we try and explain it. It's like, oh, my mom was depressed, so I'm depressed. Yeah, it's all, it's all, it's all spiritual. It's all material. It's all medical. And what's crazy is like if you read this book, we might be saying the same things just in like, it's almost like we're both, we're both pointing at the same thing, but from two different directions. Yeah. You know, and so, um, it's really, it's really kind of like over my mind. It's kind of blown my mind, to be honest. Do you believe everything

in the book? No. I don't, but I don't like think about things like that. I like, you just like to learn. I just like to learn. And I like to be like, okay, like, I think that some of these ideas are right. Some of these ideas are right. And like I like to kind of like put it all together. Or maybe I don't know. Or maybe I don't know. Yeah, maybe it's just like it could be that way or this way. Yeah. I'm always like more open to like reading things and trying to understand where someone's coming from. I don't feel like you are. I really don't. I really don't. Oh, like I kind of have to like, like really wait before I teach you something because I can never really work it out in my head because you're like, no, no, no, that's not. That's not true.

I like to bring you baked ideas or like things I'm like really like, like, what was the one thing we fought about for like three episodes? Oh, that podcast. Which one? The telepathy tapes. Oh, dude. That is so fake. Dude, you got like, you got really. It's so fake.

Yeah. They're literally in the background. The moms are like. But I'm always like. And you're like, they're reading their minds. And the mom's like. I'm like, what if? Like, let's just talk about this.

Let's just work it out. You know? I'm with you on that one. Okay. So. What if? Let's talk about demonic. Yeah, I don't know.

Maybe I am a little stubborn. Yeah. I concur. I have a very. But it's so weird because you're so sweet. I like don't get it. It's like you're so sweet, but you can be so hardheaded. And I wouldn't even, it's so weird.

It's like not even pride. It's like, I wouldn't even call it pride. It's just like stubborn. Well, I think it, I think it. You don't like things that are not your idea. I don't think. Oh, really? That would probably be pride though.

Yeah, but it doesn't, at least doesn't come across its pride. Maybe I just interpret you as a very sweet person. I think that it's because when it comes to spiritual warfare or faith, I've told you this before. It's like some of the conversations I feel like we've had that puts, it puts like so much merit or weight on generational sin or curses or things that like just happened to someone that they didn't ever like receive that or mean to receive that yet it just happened. And I do believe that some things just like happen. But in the way that like sometimes you explain people having to deal with it, it just makes, it puts so much weight on like the person. When I just have always believed God or Jesus to be like this so powerful that it overpowers like generational sin or walking into a room where somewhere like there's a Ouija board in the room. So you like I feel like you would be like.

don't walk in there, the Ouija boards in there. And I'd be like, I'm going to pray before I walk in there because God's going to protect me. And Jesus protects me from that. And like, no matter what, whatever is going on. And that person will not happen to me because Jesus is protecting me. And I believe that he's greater. Yeah. We're saying the same thing.

I know, I know. But it just sometimes the conversation puts so much power back onto like yourself will, I feel that it becomes transactional or becomes like legalistic. And I don't like looking at it like that. I see the, I, yeah, you, you've, you've said that like a couple times, and I actually don't think that's what I'm saying at all. I think that, like, the progression in my head is like, okay, there are things and forces that, like, are so beyond, like, our realm, if you will. And, like, it's spiritual warfare. And so, therefore, I have no choice but to, like, have my faith that, like, God can deliver me or us from this.

Yeah. So it's more of like an, it's like an acknowledgement of, like, okay, this is real, so therefore the only way I can survive this is by like knowing and trusting Jesus. Do you ever feel overwhelmed by how much we have to ask God to forgive us? No, because I feel like we're forgiven. Do you ask God to forgive you for your sins every day? No, probably not. I do. See, this is what I'm saying though.

I think like so, it's like, but then I'm always like, how is it ever enough? Because like, what if I stand right before I die and I didn't have time to ask for forgiveness? But I think that this is like what I'm saying is like, that's where like the legalism, I feel like plays it like comes in where I'm like, wait, it'll never be good enough. Well, that's what's so confusing is because I feel like you actually are like, oh, like that's super legalistic, but I feel like that is. No, I know. That's so legalistic.

No, I know. I agree with you that that is legalistic. I think I was thinking about because like, like you also have been telling me more, and I had a conversation with my hairstylist who's Catholic. And he was talking about like the seven sacraments and like, you know, just going in and asking, or sitting in front of a priest and doing, what do you call it when you confession? And I'm always like, because like I, that's one thing I learned as like a little girl. I always ask God at the end of the day to forgive me for my sins.

And I've been doing that like lately. But it started freaking me out again because I'm like, oh my God, it's like never enough. I know, but isn't that like, okay, the one most interesting thing about your past, present, and future of your faith is it all boils down to like one thing. And this is also something that just outside of your faith, it boils down to too, which is like, like you believing that you're good enough. Okay. But not good enough to like save yourself, but like you are.

Like I feel like there's this lie that loops in your head. And it's like, I'm not good enough and I have to do this and I have to strive and I have to be this and I have to do this. And it just like loops. It loops in like motherhood. It loops in like probably our marriage. It loops in your faith and your relationship with Jesus. It just loops. And in my opinion is that like if you were to stop that loop,

that's like the number one thing that I feel like God wants for you. Yeah, I agree with that. You know? I feel pretty good about myself right now. No, I do for sure. But like even just now, you were like, oh, I have to like pray for forgiveness. Like what if, what if, whatever. And I just don't think that.

Well, I was just trying to have a conversation because sometimes that does come in my mind where I'm like it can't. That's why I don't believe it's legalistic because or like I don't believe I have to do that every day because I'm like it will never be enough. Like I'll never. No, for sure. Yeah. Like I'm agreeing with you. Okay. It's silly that I think that way.

It's for sure because we're never. I know. It's like when people are like, oh, you have to be safe by good works. It's like you'll never be good enough. Like you'll just have to literally become a nun. But even then. But even then. Even then you're not going to.

It's impossible. I know. So this is why I'm looking forward to moving Nashville because it's like. We'll just have somebody more conversations like this. No, for sure. And I think that like. We'll slow down enough to have the conversation. Well, okay, listen, like, I don't want to make this too deep.

But, like, I really do feel like, and I'm not blaming cities or geographic places. It's probably just habits we've missed out. Well, even our neighbor, even our neighbor coming to me and saying, like, hey, like, there's a culture here where you have to, like, strive and work and, like, get this car and do this. And, like, that's literally the antithesis of what Natalie Kennedy told you Nashville is. And I think that like for you and I, we built two incredibly successful businesses here. We built four beautiful children built. But like we built all of these things. And I think at the end, both of you got, both you and I got to this point where we were like, it's never going to be enough.

Yeah. Like, and I remember this because I was talking to like one of our friends. And I was like, dude, I just like feel like I can't keep up in the city. And they were like, it's crazy. If you guys feel like that, we all feel like that. You know, and it just was never going to be enough. And I think that when you look at like Natalie Kennedy being like you want to slow down and like it's just this idea of like kind of being and like it's not about our accomplishments. It's not about our accolades.

Those will still come. Like we'll still work and I'm sure we'll be super successful and like still do business and stuff like that. But I don't know if we've gone through a season or we've allowed for ourselves to go through a season of like being like. Like, hey, like, we are good enough. Like, and we are worthy enough for friendship, for the Lord to, like, love us, like, et cetera, for just being us. Yeah. And I'm going to be honest.

I hope people like me without all my accomplishments. So easy to hide behind. They are so easy to hide behind. I know. I know they're so easy to hide behind. But then it's like, oh, you know. But I think that once I think it's. There's also so many famous people in Nashville that like, people like, okay, don't care.

But I think that like once you give that up or once we give that up, it's going to be weird. We're going to be like, why did it take us this long? I know. Like we could have been. I know. We could have just been hanging out. We could have just been chilling like we were in Austin. Remember how much we used to?

No, we were grinding in Austin too. No, we were at the lake with your dog every day. But babe, we were under the illusion that we were grinding. We didn't even know what grinding looked like until we moved to the city. It's true. But you know why? Because in Austin, you at least had things to do outside. Here, it's like all you can do is grind.

Yeah, we love to grind. It's hot outside. Grind and eat and shop. Grind and eat and shop. Grind, eat, shop, consume more. More. More. I do love it here, though.

Yeah. I do. Well, anyway, so yeah, we will probably be moving to Nashville in a couple months. It's crazy. We just got to find a rental. If anybody's renting a house that can hold a family of six, Let us know. But anyway, thanks for listening to this podcast, and I guess we'll talk to you next week.

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